Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny)
Manual tranny. Brian On 7/10/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:23:59 -0700 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This should be an easy one: When the 240D is not warmed up yet, and I try to take off on a hill, I get this shuddering and it loses power. I am thinking it feels like the clutch is slipping (but I thought clutch slippage was a more smooth loss of power and resultant engine revving). Could it be that the engine is not warmed up enough to produce sufficient power for the task and is thus sort of giving up? I think I have a good clutch in there. Can a cold clutch act like this? Anyway, I'll stop theorizing and let the question stand. Automatic transmission or stick-shift? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Citric acid cleanup - now de-oiling
What do you suggest to deoil the system? On my 1958 180D the block drain valve is completely blocked and so I cannot drain water out the block. Should I still derust it with the rist of rust particals from elsewhere dropping down to the lowest point and then not getting out? Peter -Original Message- From: Marshall Booth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 July 2007 02:41 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citric acid cleanup Luther wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:49:36 -0500, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther wrote: Wow, I'm going to disagree with MB's assessment of Citric Acid. I could dip my hands in a bucket of used diesel oil, and then rub them in dirt to completely get the oil worked into my skin. Then, take citric acid and clean the oil/sludge off of my hands faster and more completely than any other soap around. No scrubbing needed (except for under the finger nails). I have been cleaning my hands with citric acid in full strength for several years now. I have also used a diluted solution to clean oil spots left on concrete after working on my cars. It's plain as day, citric acid will cut oil and disolve it. Are you using a 5% solution, dry powder or a so called citric acid cleaner? Marshall http://www.citra-solv.com/products/allpurpose.html They call it Super Concentrated. That's VERY different from a citric acid solution! Works rather well, but ISN'T a citric acid solution (although there may be some citric acid in it). Ingredient list: D-Limonene (clear liquid from the peel of the orange), Five-fold Orange Oil Biodegradable Surfactant (derived from coconut). Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Citric acid cleanup - now de-oiling
What do you suggest to deoil the system? As has been suggested already, any of the fine non-foamy detergents as used in automatic washing machines of various sorts ought to do it, or TSP. On my 1958 180D the block drain valve is completely blocked and so I cannot drain water out the block. Should I still derust it with the risk of rust particals from elsewhere dropping down to the lowest point and then not getting out? Nothing we've been discussing does anything about [iron] rust. Merely calcium scale and the like. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
We are starting to have several power outages where I stay and I was wondering about getting a spare OM617 ( non turbo ) and hooking it up to an alternator and powering my home . It is a bit of overkill but it also servers the purpose of having a hot standby OM617 on call. ( I have 3 other vehicles with this engine.) The problem I foresee is how to govern the engine to run at a constant 3000 rpm in order to maintain a stable voltage and frequency under varying load. Can the existing MW pump be converted to operate in constant rpm mode? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Might actually be worth it
Curious: Is this because this is one of those catch phrases used by often sleezy sellers, or do you have a more specific reason? Brian On 7/10/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WARNING - avoid cars from sellers who advertise ice cold AC. You know they must be liars. On 7/10/07, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'd hit it for $5k. On 7/10/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/car/370634403.html The magic words All service records... No affiliation etc... -Curt - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
Not sure, but can't you get the cruise control unit to essentially perform this function? On 7/10/07, Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are starting to have several power outages where I stay and I was wondering about getting a spare OM617 ( non turbo ) and hooking it up to an alternator and powering my home . It is a bit of overkill but it also servers the purpose of having a hot standby OM617 on call. ( I have 3 other vehicles with this engine.) The problem I foresee is how to govern the engine to run at a constant 3000 rpm in order to maintain a stable voltage and frequency under varying load. Can the existing MW pump be converted to operate in constant rpm mode? Peter __ Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
How correct you are. Loved the movie, though their little vehicle was a lot more reliable than my Vanagon ever was. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 1:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T It seems than at Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:28:36 -0400, BillR wrote: Looks like some of you got good Vanagons. Mine was supposed to be a very nice model, but quickly was named 'The Anti-Christ' Was that a reference to the Land Rover 88 in The Gods Must Be Crazy? -- Philip Oye, yoy, yoy, yoy, yoy! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
Actually I think the reference was to the small, slow, hard to start vehicle that was used to rescue the folks when the Land Rover was up a tree. The name just fit so well for that 4 wheel torture device I had - Vanagon GL, if memory serves. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillR Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 5:27 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T How correct you are. Loved the movie, though their little vehicle was a lot more reliable than my Vanagon ever was. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 1:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T It seems than at Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:28:36 -0400, BillR wrote: Looks like some of you got good Vanagons. Mine was supposed to be a very nice model, but quickly was named 'The Anti-Christ' Was that a reference to the Land Rover 88 in The Gods Must Be Crazy? -- Philip Oye, yoy, yoy, yoy, yoy! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Citric acid cleanup - now de-oiling
FWIW, I've been able to buy TSP in it's raw form at my local Ace hardware. It comes in one of those bottles that has the siphon tube where you measure out what you need and pour it off. Dan --- Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you suggest to deoil the system? As has been suggested already, any of the fine non-foamy detergents as used in automatic washing machines of various sorts ought to do it, or TSP. On my 1958 180D the block drain valve is completely blocked and so I cannot drain water out the block. Should I still derust it with the risk of rust particals from elsewhere dropping down to the lowest point and then not getting out? Nothing we've been discussing does anything about [iron] rust. Merely calcium scale and the like. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
I think the response time will be too long. You will have to make some kind of pick up I guess. Peter -Original Message- From: Zeitgeist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 July 2007 09:53 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator Not sure, but can't you get the cruise control unit to essentially perform this function? On 7/10/07, Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are starting to have several power outages where I stay and I was wondering about getting a spare OM617 ( non turbo ) and hooking it up to an alternator and powering my home . It is a bit of overkill but it also servers the purpose of having a hot standby OM617 on call. ( I have 3 other vehicles with this engine.) The problem I foresee is how to govern the engine to run at a constant 3000 rpm in order to maintain a stable voltage and frequency under varying load. Can the existing MW pump be converted to operate in constant rpm mode? Peter __ Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
The stock 617 would do it, but you're going to need some sort of governor, either mechanical or electronic (isochronous) to regulate the speed. Also, unless you're coupling it to the generator (alternator) with a gear or belt drive, the engine is going to have to run at 1800/3600 rpm of 60 Hz, 1500/3000 rpm for 50Hz. Check the horsepower curves for hosepower at these speeds - that will give you an idea of how many kW you can get out of the engine. Dan (former generator guy) --- Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are starting to have several power outages where I stay and I was wondering about getting a spare OM617 ( non turbo ) and hooking it up to an alternator and powering my home . It is a bit of overkill but it also servers the purpose of having a hot standby OM617 on call. ( I have 3 other vehicles with this engine.) The problem I foresee is how to govern the engine to run at a constant 3000 rpm in order to maintain a stable voltage and frequency under varying load. Can the existing MW pump be converted to operate in constant rpm mode? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
I only need about 10kw at 50Hz so that's no problem at 3000 rpm. In fact might be able to run it at 1500 rpm and keep the noise down although I'm not sure in the engine will be happy at those rpm's continiously. Doe you think you can modify the existing idle governer to work at 1500 rpm? Peter -Original Message- From: LWB250 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 July 2007 13:24 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator The stock 617 would do it, but you're going to need some sort of governor, either mechanical or electronic (isochronous) to regulate the speed. Also, unless you're coupling it to the generator (alternator) with a gear or belt drive, the engine is going to have to run at 1800/3600 rpm of 60 Hz, 1500/3000 rpm for 50Hz. Check the horsepower curves for hosepower at these speeds - that will give you an idea of how many kW you can get out of the engine. Dan (former generator guy) --- Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are starting to have several power outages where I stay and I was wondering about getting a spare OM617 ( non turbo ) and hooking it up to an alternator and powering my home . It is a bit of overkill but it also servers the purpose of having a hot standby OM617 on call. ( I have 3 other vehicles with this engine.) The problem I foresee is how to govern the engine to run at a constant 3000 rpm in order to maintain a stable voltage and frequency under varying load. Can the existing MW pump be converted to operate in constant rpm mode? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
Unless I am mistaken you will want to have a feedback system such that the engine speed is determined by the frequency of the output. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Merle Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:52 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator I only need about 10kw at 50Hz so that's no problem at 3000 rpm. In fact might be able to run it at 1500 rpm and keep the noise down although I'm not sure in the engine will be happy at those rpm's continiously. Doe you think you can modify the existing idle governer to work at 1500 rpm? Peter -Original Message- From: LWB250 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 July 2007 13:24 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator The stock 617 would do it, but you're going to need some sort of governor, either mechanical or electronic (isochronous) to regulate the speed. Also, unless you're coupling it to the generator (alternator) with a gear or belt drive, the engine is going to have to run at 1800/3600 rpm of 60 Hz, 1500/3000 rpm for 50Hz. Check the horsepower curves for hosepower at these speeds - that will give you an idea of how many kW you can get out of the engine. Dan (former generator guy) --- Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are starting to have several power outages where I stay and I was wondering about getting a spare OM617 ( non turbo ) and hooking it up to an alternator and powering my home . It is a bit of overkill but it also servers the purpose of having a hot standby OM617 on call. ( I have 3 other vehicles with this engine.) The problem I foresee is how to govern the engine to run at a constant 3000 rpm in order to maintain a stable voltage and frequency under varying load. Can the existing MW pump be converted to operate in constant rpm mode? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Beater Review
Too late. There's a beater 240D on Craigs list here (Austin, TX) this morning for $5000. I couldn't give away a 1984 300D in about the same shape for $1500 several years ago. Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 7/10/07, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: S, if people think that Mercs are expensive to fix and maintain then resale values will remain sensiblehopefully. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
MBZ cruise sucks...It is not even close to good enough to keep the engine at a steady enough speed under changing loads to maintain a steady voltage and frequency. It could work, but not very good for electronic equipment. You could generate DC power and keep a battery bank charged to run a large inverter but that is probably too costly for what I think you want to do. Mike Not sure, but can't you get the cruise control unit to essentially perform this function? On 7/10/07, Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are starting to have several power outages where I stay and I was wondering about getting a spare OM617 ( non turbo ) and hooking it up to an alternator and powering my home . It is a bit of overkill but it also servers the purpose of having a hot standby OM617 on call. ( I have 3 other vehicles with this engine.) The problem I foresee is how to govern the engine to run at a constant 3000 rpm in order to maintain a stable voltage and frequency under varying load. Can the existing MW pump be converted to operate in constant rpm mode? Peter __ Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
Exactly. Figure 2 hp per kw to be safe. You should be able to run a gen bigger than you could use in an average house with that engine at 3600 but it is going to load up and run like crap at 1800. Mike The stock 617 would do it, but you're going to need some sort of governor, either mechanical or electronic (isochronous) to regulate the speed. Also, unless you're coupling it to the generator (alternator) with a gear or belt drive, the engine is going to have to run at 1800/3600 rpm of 60 Hz, 1500/3000 rpm for 50Hz. Check the horsepower curves for hosepower at these speeds - that will give you an idea of how many kW you can get out of the engine. Dan (former generator guy) --- Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are starting to have several power outages where I stay and I was wondering about getting a spare OM617 ( non turbo ) and hooking it up to an alternator and powering my home . It is a bit of overkill but it also servers the purpose of having a hot standby OM617 on call. ( I have 3 other vehicles with this engine.) The problem I foresee is how to govern the engine to run at a constant 3000 rpm in order to maintain a stable voltage and frequency under varying load. Can the existing MW pump be converted to operate in constant rpm mode? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
Peter, Where are you that you need 50Hz? Mike I only need about 10kw at 50Hz so that's no problem at 3000 rpm. In fact might be able to run it at 1500 rpm and keep the noise down although I'm not sure in the engine will be happy at those rpm's continiously. Doe you think you can modify the existing idle governer to work at 1500 rpm? Peter -Original Message- From: LWB250 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 July 2007 13:24 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator The stock 617 would do it, but you're going to need some sort of governor, either mechanical or electronic (isochronous) to regulate the speed. Also, unless you're coupling it to the generator (alternator) with a gear or belt drive, the engine is going to have to run at 1800/3600 rpm of 60 Hz, 1500/3000 rpm for 50Hz. Check the horsepower curves for hosepower at these speeds - that will give you an idea of how many kW you can get out of the engine. Dan (former generator guy) --- Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are starting to have several power outages where I stay and I was wondering about getting a spare OM617 ( non turbo ) and hooking it up to an alternator and powering my home . It is a bit of overkill but it also servers the purpose of having a hot standby OM617 on call. ( I have 3 other vehicles with this engine.) The problem I foresee is how to govern the engine to run at a constant 3000 rpm in order to maintain a stable voltage and frequency under varying load. Can the existing MW pump be converted to operate in constant rpm mode? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
other vehicles with this engine.) The problem I foresee is how to govern the engine to run at a constant 3000 rpm in order to maintain a stable voltage and frequency under varying load. Can the existing MW pump be converted to operate in constant rpm mode? Probably, I think the tradeoff between constant-rpm and constant-torque (if you will) is set by spring ratios, but finding someone who knows enough about it to actually make that conversion may be difficult. You might contact your local Bosch pump shop to see if they can help. The one here said they only saw such pumps every couple of years, however, and had little practical experience with them. They offered to have me send mine out to some shop in CA! (Cummins/Dodge 24-valve rotary pumps, on the other hand, they work on all day every day...) The IP in the Frankenheap (vacuum-operated) seems to be a 'tractor' pump already, it definitely drives a bit differently than most other cars. The cruise control system could be adapted, but I'm sure the PID feedback loop constants are all wrong for that mode. I personally would be more comfortable dinking with one of those than the guts of the IP, your mileage may vary. It would be better too, if you planned to have the engine as a spare for one of your rides. Less modifications to undo. The speed control doesn't need to be all that elaborate to be practical, my Hercules just has a flyweight governor that runs the throttle plate. If all you need is 10kW you'd probably be better served with the 1500 RPM 4-pole generator head. Quieter, and probably much thriftier. Such heads are generally much better constructed as well, and much more likely to last longer. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
That works best. An RPM governor is the least effective with a voltage monitoring governor right in the middle of the two for steady, clean power. I think the 617 would make a great genset engineI wonder if you could get a marine cam and injector pump to make it like the continuous duty a bit more. Mike Unless I am mistaken you will want to have a feedback system such that the engine speed is determined by the frequency of the output. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Merle Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:52 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator I only need about 10kw at 50Hz so that's no problem at 3000 rpm. In fact might be able to run it at 1500 rpm and keep the noise down although I'm not sure in the engine will be happy at those rpm's continiously. Doe you think you can modify the existing idle governer to work at 1500 rpm? Peter -Original Message- From: LWB250 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 July 2007 13:24 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator The stock 617 would do it, but you're going to need some sort of governor, either mechanical or electronic (isochronous) to regulate the speed. Also, unless you're coupling it to the generator (alternator) with a gear or belt drive, the engine is going to have to run at 1800/3600 rpm of 60 Hz, 1500/3000 rpm for 50Hz. Check the horsepower curves for hosepower at these speeds - that will give you an idea of how many kW you can get out of the engine. Dan (former generator guy) --- Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are starting to have several power outages where I stay and I was wondering about getting a spare OM617 ( non turbo ) and hooking it up to an alternator and powering my home . It is a bit of overkill but it also servers the purpose of having a hot standby OM617 on call. ( I have 3 other vehicles with this engine.) The problem I foresee is how to govern the engine to run at a constant 3000 rpm in order to maintain a stable voltage and frequency under varying load. Can the existing MW pump be converted to operate in constant rpm mode? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Daimler' $37 billion blunder.
How different it might have been had the feds not bailed Chrysler out of bankruptcy in the 1980's (or was it the '70s) ?? Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah well back then there was a frenzy of mergers with the thinking being that volume and market share is more important than quality. As I don't have shares in Daimler I couldn't give a rats. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Daimler' $37 billion blunder. In the August issue of Car Driver, Csaba (Chubba) Csere, provides interesting reading on how much it cost Daimler to own Chrysler for 7 years. Having -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Might actually be worth it
Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Curious: Is this because this is one of those catch phrases used by often sleezy sellers, or do you have a more specific reason? It is that, at least partly. Also I don't know for sure, but I think that MB air conditioning was not ice-cold even new, at least on cars from this era. MB climate controls attempt to achieve a comfortable temperature, not overly hot or cold. When the system is working, it does a fair job at that. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
I think the 617 would make a great genset engineI wonder if you could get a marine cam and injector pump to make it like the continuous duty a bit more. If he was pulling 40kW, yes, but he only wants 10. I don't think the engine needs any mods to run happily 24/7 at 1500 RPM. I don't think it would 'load up' at that speed, it's well off idle by then. My ultimate generator plans need 1200 RPM, I was planning to use the transmission too. A nice 601 sounds perfect for me, but a 617 is much more available. Even now. If it was belt-drive you could choose any engine RPM 'sweet spot' you liked, like 2400. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
Jim, Don't you agree that the MBZ diesels almost need an Italian tune-up now and again to keep them cleaned out? They would never get that on a 10KW genset. I have a 12Kw head here I would love to run off a MBZ engine but I bought a Perkins instead... Mike I think the 617 would make a great genset engineI wonder if you could get a marine cam and injector pump to make it like the continuous duty a bit more. If he was pulling 40kW, yes, but he only wants 10. I don't think the engine needs any mods to run happily 24/7 at 1500 RPM. I don't think it would 'load up' at that speed, it's well off idle by then. My ultimate generator plans need 1200 RPM, I was planning to use the transmission too. A nice 601 sounds perfect for me, but a 617 is much more available. Even now. If it was belt-drive you could choose any engine RPM 'sweet spot' you liked, like 2400. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CIS rebuild kit
Thanks Barry, Regards, Ed On 11/07/07, Barry Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, ED - Here is the info I sent to the list back when all the F.D. stuff was going on. I tried to reverse find the fellow from his phone and there appeared to be someone there, they reported data. I couldn't find anything on him on Ebay right now but then I'm not very E-bay literate. Barry - Dave - Here is some of the data I copied from his Ebay add. Barry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of DaveC Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [MB] results of diagnosis - the smoking gun Barry sez: Bob Contantino turned me onto a guy in Florida says he worked for Bosch in Germany and has 20 years experience rebuilding these things. He evidently still has a Bosch connection and can get internal parts. He will rebuild my distributor for $325 and says he replaces all internal parts. I imagine that's the soft parts and maybe the springs or whatever. Sounds like a good deal and it will be adjusted back to factory specs. So, don't keep us in suspense! Who is he? Dave -- generaltrading711 Rosmar Marcano 3599 Hendry Isles Blvd. Clewiston, FL 33440 USA 7862394745 Seller's payment instructions Customer will pay for shipping, Shipping thru UPS and USPS cost $25.50 including packing, and handling USA continental only. insurance is required $5.00 To ship same day the order must be received by noon time. Please call for international shipping if you have questions please call 786-218-6551 or 786-239-4745 Shipping Cost Services Available Service Transit Time* Available to US $25.50 UPS Ground 1 to 6 business daysUnited States only US $25.50 US Postal Service Priority MailR2 to 3 business daysUnited States only US $75.00 UPS Worldwide ExpeditedSM 2 to 5 business daysWorldwide *Sellers are not responsible for service transit time. Transit times are provided by the carrier, exclude weekends and holidays, and may vary with package origin and destination, particularly during peak periods. Will ship to Worldwide. Shipping insuranceUS $5.00 Required WE REBUILT ALL MODELS 4 CYLINDER $275 + SHIPPING 6 CYLINDER $300 + SHIPPING 8 CYLINDER $325 + SHIPPING WE ARE THE LEADERS REMANUFACTURING BOSCH FUEL INJECTION UNITS PART IS ONLY FOR YOUR ORIGINAL MERCEDES BENZ UNITS ARE BENCH TESTED AND ADJUSTED TO FACTORY SPECS WE OFFER ONE-YEAR WARRANTY UNLIMITED MILEAGE Please read Carefully: TO ORDER THIS PRODUCT YOU WILL NEED TO: O BUY IT NOW O MAIL US YOUR CORE IN REBUILDABLE CONDITION O MAKE YOUR PAYMENT THRU PAYPAL OR MAIL A MONEY ORDER O INCLUDING YOUR SHIPPING, INSURANCE COST AND TAXES IF O YOU RESIDE IN FLORIDA. PLEASE NOTE THAT: 1. Once we receive your core we will send you the same one if we have it in stock or will rebuild yours as you decide. 2. Shipping money is not refundable 3. If you don't have the core you will need to send an additional $300.00 refundable until you send us the core. 4. You are not to open the parts. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
Don't you agree that the MBZ diesels almost need an Italian tune-up now and again to keep them cleaned out? Yeah, but I don't think we're actually talking about a long-term 24/7 situation here. I think the optimum fix (?) would involve special injector nozzles, and I don't know if any such are actually available. Fun to talk about, though! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
Very good point. If it is belt driven I guess if it did start to skip or anything you could disconnect the genhead and and run the snot out of it for a bit. SOmetimes I get too complicated and forget that things don't have to be absolutely perfect to be right for the job. Yes, indeed. Very fun. Mike Don't you agree that the MBZ diesels almost need an Italian tune-up now and again to keep them cleaned out? Yeah, but I don't think we're actually talking about a long-term 24/7 situation here. I think the optimum fix (?) would involve special injector nozzles, and I don't know if any such are actually available. Fun to talk about, though! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:22:36 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MBZ cruise sucks...It is not even close to good enough to keep the engine at a steady enough speed under changing loads to maintain a steady voltage and frequency. It could work, but not very good for electronic equipment. Then the electronic equipment is not very good. When we lived in rural Colorado, we had a Honda EM-500 that powered the lights and our stereo equipment. Worked just fine. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 190D 2.2l specs
Hey Gang, Tomorrow is show your wheels day at work. I'm going to throw a couple gallons of corn oil into the 190D and show it as an alternative energy vehicle. Last year a guy got a special award for showing hyrdogen powered toy cars so what the heck. Anyway I want to make up a little sign and figured I ought to have the specs for the car on it. Anybody got 'em? Specifically I'm thinking HP, torque, top speed, weight, size, fuel capacity (I expect some of this I can get from the manual). Then I'll do a page on veggie oil in a diesel engine. I'll put maybe 2 gallons into around half a tank of diesel (one tonight so it gets mixed in good and one during the event tomorrow) in my experience thats plenty to get the smell which is what everybody is looking for. -Curt - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:26:32 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, Where are you that you need 50Hz? Mike South Africa. (As evidenced by his email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED], see http://www.geocities.com/eedd88/UrlSuffixes.html?200629?200711 ) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny)
It's possible only 2 or 3 cylinders are firing - due to bad glow plugs - and once warmed up all start cylinders working as they should. But it;s a strange situation - especially the manny tran - that 4 cyl is pretty simple. But the engine will die a long slow death gradually losing more and more power and making it more and more difficult to start until one day it won't start at all. You could have some problems that are not noticable when warmed up. But hopefully its only the GP's. My 240D did that - started fine until one cold afternoon it would not start anymore - had 2 broken pistons a bunch of broken rings. Have you checked your valve adjustments lately? Should be adjusted every 12k-15k miles. Out of adjustment valves can lead to a lossof power. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:23 PM Subject: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny) This should be an easy one: When the 240D is not warmed up yet, and I try to take off on a hill, I get this shuddering and it loses power. I am thinking it feels like the clutch is slipping (but I thought clutch slippage was a more smooth loss of power and resultant engine revving). Could it be that the engine is not warmed up enough to produce sufficient power for the task and is thus sort of giving up? I think I have a good clutch in there. Can a cold clutch act like this? Anyway, I'll stop theorizing and let the question stand. Brian 83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2l specs
Tomorrow is show your wheels day at work. I'm going to throw a couple gallons of corn oil into the 190D and show it as an alternative energy vehicle. Hot as it's been here, you could just put a 2 gallon gas can under the hood somewhere and move the feed and return lines to it for the demo. Better bragging rights. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
It seems than at Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:35:21 -0400, BillR wrote: Actually I think the reference was to the small, slow, hard to start vehicle that was used to rescue the folks when the Land Rover was up a tree. The name just fit so well for that 4 wheel torture device I had - Vanagon GL, if memory serves. It's been a long time since I saw that movie, but I believe the only vehicles in it were the Land Rover 88 series II, some Toyota pickups, an the bus like thing the safari guide fellow drove. -- Philip, wishing he had a winch that could get his pickup up in a tree ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall?
--- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor Recent Activity a.. 30New Photos Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS a.. Mercedes-benz b.. Banned c.. Misfits d.. Mercedes-benz slr mclaren Yahoo! 360° Start Today Get your own place online Y! Messenger Group get-together Host a free online conference on IM. Yahoo! Groups Moderator Central An online resource for moderators. . __,_._,___ -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Type: image/jpeg Size: 51824 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20070711/46bf684c/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2l specs
Curt- I can Fax you the Nitske page this afternoon-e-mail off list with FAX number. Dwight -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:58 AM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] 190D 2.2l specs Hey Gang, Tomorrow is show your wheels day at work. I'm going to throw a couple gallons of corn oil into the 190D and show it as an alternative energy vehicle. Last year a guy got a special award for showing hyrdogen powered toy cars so what the heck. Anyway I want to make up a little sign and figured I ought to have the specs for the car on it. Anybody got 'em? Specifically I'm thinking HP, torque, top speed, weight, size, fuel capacity (I expect some of this I can get from the manual). Then I'll do a page on veggie oil in a diesel engine. I'll put maybe 2 gallons into around half a tank of diesel (one tonight so it gets mixed in good and one during the event tomorrow) in my experience thats plenty to get the smell which is what everybody is looking for. -Curt - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall?
I'd say ore likely to be Curt with a Moose mistake. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:12 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor Recent Activity a.. 30New Photos Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS a.. Mercedes-benz b.. Banned c.. Misfits d.. Mercedes-benz slr mclaren Yahoo! 360° Start Today Get your own place online Y! Messenger Group get-together Host a free online conference on IM. Yahoo! Groups Moderator Central An online resource for moderators. . __,_._,___ -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Type: image/jpeg Size: 51824 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20070711/46b f684c/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall?
Nah, I think that must be from the Calgary Stampede. It's a new version of calf roping and hog tying that uses Mercedes instead of horses. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:12 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor Recent Activity a.. 30New Photos Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS a.. Mercedes-benz b.. Banned c.. Misfits d.. Mercedes-benz slr mclaren Yahoo! 360° Start Today Get your own place online Y! Messenger Group get-together Host a free online conference on IM. Yahoo! Groups Moderator Central An online resource for moderators. . __,_._,___ -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Type: image/jpeg Size: 51824 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20070711/46bf684c/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:27:40 -0500 Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems than at Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:35:21 -0400, BillR wrote: Actually I think the reference was to the small, slow, hard to start vehicle that was used to rescue the folks when the Land Rover was up a tree. The name just fit so well for that 4 wheel torture device I had - Vanagon GL, if memory serves. It's been a long time since I saw that movie, but I believe the only vehicles in it were the Land Rover 88 series II, some Toyota pickups, an the bus like thing the safari guide fellow drove. Didn't it have a Jeep-like thing that was driven by an African non-driver with humorous results? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall?
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:12:10 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20070711/46bf684c/attachment.jpg You may laugh, but I actually did transport two calves that way. A humorous story in its own right, if anyone wants to hear it. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny)
This should be an easy one: When the 240D is not warmed up yet, and I try to take off on a hill, I get this shuddering and it loses power. I am thinking it feels like the clutch is slipping (but I thought clutch slippage was a more smooth loss of power and resultant engine revving). Could it be that the engine is not warmed up enough to produce sufficient power for the task and is thus sort of giving up? I think I have a good clutch in there. Can a cold clutch act like this? Anyway, I'll stop theorizing and let the question stand. No, it's not a slipping manual clutch. Look at the things Larry suggested. Run some Diesel Purge. Do Italian Tune-ups. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] the anti-christ in The Gods Must Be Crazy - OT for sure
Those were the prominent ones, but the assistant [who had all the wives, and interpreted for the bushman] got in the small [sounded like one cylinder] four wheel vehicle at about 10 MPH max speed and rescued him. For whatever reason the Rover had to be towed back to their base. It was while this was going on that the bus showed up to take the teacher on to the village. I think. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T It seems than at Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:35:21 -0400, BillR wrote: Actually I think the reference was to the small, slow, hard to start vehicle that was used to rescue the folks when the Land Rover was up a tree. The name just fit so well for that 4 wheel torture device I had - Vanagon GL, if memory serves. It's been a long time since I saw that movie, but I believe the only vehicles in it were the Land Rover 88 series II, some Toyota pickups, an the bus like thing the safari guide fellow drove. -- Philip, wishing he had a winch that could get his pickup up in a tree ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] the anti-christ in The Gods Must Be Crazy - OT for sure
Yes, but I think that was the Rover with the top and doors taken off. I still think I recall a small utility vehicle that sounded like it was a single cylinder. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:27:40 -0500 Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems than at Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:35:21 -0400, BillR wrote: Actually I think the reference was to the small, slow, hard to start vehicle that was used to rescue the folks when the Land Rover was up a tree. The name just fit so well for that 4 wheel torture device I had - Vanagon GL, if memory serves. It's been a long time since I saw that movie, but I believe the only vehicles in it were the Land Rover 88 series II, some Toyota pickups, an the bus like thing the safari guide fellow drove. Didn't it have a Jeep-like thing that was driven by an African non-driver with humorous results? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall?
You have an audience. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:50 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall? On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:12:10 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/200707 11/46bf684c/attachment.jpg You may laugh, but I actually did transport two calves that way. A humorous story in its own right, if anyone wants to hear it. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Green O-rings for AC etc/ charging manifold @ Harbor Freight
These are the nitrile-butadine rubber which is much better for most AC applications. Harbor Freight has them in a 205 piece asst for $9.95, currently on sale see page 14 of current flyer. The part number is 94552 and they are regularly $14.95. You can buy a small bag of green rings at Autozone but you will pay almost as much and not get the assortment that HF has. On the back page is a US General gauge set for R134 fittings at $39.95. If you use the 15% coupon on this item you are down to $36, a good deal in my opinion. part # 92649. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 267 K miles 98 ML 320, 151 K miles ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the anti-christ in The Gods Must Be Crazy - OT for sure
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:08:25 -0400 BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't it have a Jeep-like thing that was driven by an African non-driver with humorous results? Yes, but I think that was the Rover with the top and doors taken off. I recall the Rover (hanging from its winch cable in a tree) being light in color, but the Jeep-like thing being dark in color. I still think I recall a small utility vehicle that sounded like it was a single cylinder. Perhaps we're talking about the same thing. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall?
dont tease us then not tell us. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall? On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:12:10 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20070711/46bf684c/attachment.jpg You may laugh, but I actually did transport two calves that way. A humorous story in its own right, if anyone wants to hear it. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall?
You have my full attention, but you story had better not be a bunch of bull. On 7/11/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may laugh, but I actually did transport two calves that way. A humorous story in its own right, if anyone wants to hear it. Craig -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the anti-christ in The Gods Must Be Crazy - OT for sure
Guess we will have to watch it once more to find out. There are worse things. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 1:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] the anti-christ in The Gods Must Be Crazy - OT for sure On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:08:25 -0400 BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't it have a Jeep-like thing that was driven by an African non-driver with humorous results? Yes, but I think that was the Rover with the top and doors taken off. I recall the Rover (hanging from its winch cable in a tree) being light in color, but the Jeep-like thing being dark in color. I still think I recall a small utility vehicle that sounded like it was a single cylinder. Perhaps we're talking about the same thing. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall?
One point for the sane Don. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 1:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall? You have my full attention, but you story had better not be a bunch of bull. On 7/11/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may laugh, but I actually did transport two calves that way. A humorous story in its own right, if anyone wants to hear it. Craig -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this guy should be beaten too!
Ah, Battleground WA, the town named for a battle that never really happened. It's been downhill since . I used to live not far from there, that one is about par for the course. --Robert Redghost wrote: Yeah, but he is in Battle Ground. that is like West Virginia, so he may not be expected to know better clay On Jul 9, 2007, at 7:31 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/car/370261500.html Obviously, this guy was on some meds or maybe, he just happened to have this engine/tranny lying around. How would a 616 or 617 fit into this chassis? Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2l specs
Its been hot like that here too and the thought had crossed my mind. Even if I left the thing running the whole hour and a half it'll be on display we'd only be talking maybe half a gallon... But no I don't intend to run it that much and I am interested to see how it preforms with some veggie in the tank (the result will be dull I know, it was on my 240D) so I'll just give 'er a good shot in the tank. -Curt Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:17:59 -0700 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2l specs To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Tomorrow is show your wheels day at work. I'm going to throw a couple gallons of corn oil into the 190D and show it as an alternative energy vehicle. Hot as it's been here, you could just put a 2 gallon gas can under the hood somewhere and move the feed and return lines to it for the demo. Better bragging rights. -- Jim - Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall?
When it comes to new 190Ds it could be Brian, I've had mine well over a year. Still I'm in for it being Marshall I don't have the warning whatsis in the trunk. -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor Recent Activity a.. 30New Photos Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS a.. Mercedes-benz b.. Banned c.. Misfits d.. Mercedes-benz slr mclaren Yahoo! 360? Start Today Get your own place online Y! Messenger Group get-together Host a free online conference on IM. Yahoo! Groups Moderator Central An online resource for moderators. . __,_._,___ -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Type: image/jpeg Size: 51824 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20070711/46bf684c/attachment.jpg - Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny)
Don't be put off by Larry's tale of woe, he was telling that same story last year when the iron numbers were high when sampling my 190D. I think I remember my 240D being more of a slug when it was first started up and I think it was more noticable than my 190D is. Definately all three of my diesels have had less power when first started but I think where the 240D has the worst power to weight ratio of the 3 it was most noticable. Still worth checking the glowplugs, they're not that hard to change. Another thing you might test is run the block heater an hour before you plan to leave, does that make it better? It sure clears up the smoke on my 190D and makes it start easier. I should get around to fixing that one of these days... -Curt Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:53:06 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII This should be an easy one: When the 240D is not warmed up yet, and I try to take off on a hill, I get this shuddering and it loses power. I am thinking it feels like the clutch is slipping (but I thought clutch slippage was a more smooth loss of power and resultant engine revving). Could it be that the engine is not warmed up enough to produce sufficient power for the task and is thus sort of giving up? I think I have a good clutch in there. Can a cold clutch act like this? Anyway, I'll stop theorizing and let the question stand. No, it's not a slipping manual clutch. Look at the things Larry suggested. Run some Diesel Purge. Do Italian Tune-ups. Craig - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall?
Craig McCluskey wrote: ...if anyone wants to hear it. Did you even need to ask? ;) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow A/C leak 240D
Yup. Initially they tested r134a with new r12 hoses and it leaked like a sieve , hence the hose change recommendation, than after a bunch of cheapie conversions were done, they discovered that r12 hoses saturated with mineral oil didn't leak in most cases so they dropped the recommendation. There are a few vehicles that have had problems with the high side hose between the compressor and condenser giving out after a while, so some manufacturers still recommends changing that hose out during a conversion I've personally never run across a seeping hose ( and I go over every system with a sniffer ) but I've had plenty of compressor seals start leaking like crazy after conversions, to the point that I strongly suggest that I put a new compressor in on any that come through for the conversion, and if they don't , I let them know ahead of time roughly what it is going to cost for seasonal recharges so they can figure it in. If doing your own recharges, it doesn't cost much, but for folks having to pay for it, it adds up to more than just having the compressor done after a few years. I've also run across tons of leaking old orings. When installing new orings on an r134a system, DO NOT coat them with ester or pag oil, it will dry them out and cause leaks and other problems. you need to get a jug of r12 mineral oil to coat new orings with , even on a r134a system. check around on price, it usually only comes in qt cans and most local places want near $30 for it, Oreilly's has it for around $12 Robert Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Well from what I have always been told when a system is converted to R134 from R12, the oil from the R12 over the years forms a natural barrier inside the hoses. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slow A/C leak 240D The O-rings are just one issue. Some of the R12 lines are porous to R134A. If this is the case then the R134A will slowly bleed through the lines, leaving the oil behind since the oil can't pass through. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall?
Nah, as usual, I don't know what you guys are talking about. Brian On 7/11/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When it comes to new 190Ds it could be Brian, I've had mine well over a year. Still I'm in for it being Marshall I don't have the warning whatsis in the trunk. -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor Recent Activity a.. 30New Photos Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS a.. Mercedes-benz b.. Banned c.. Misfits d.. Mercedes-benz slr mclaren Yahoo! 360? Start Today Get your own place online Y! Messenger Group get-together Host a free online conference on IM. Yahoo! Groups Moderator Central An online resource for moderators. . __,_._,___ -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Type: image/jpeg Size: 51824 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20070711/46bf684c/attachment.jpg - Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Might actually be worth it
Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Got it. Actually the seller of my 190D touted the cold air. And yes, he was sleazy. I view any hyperbole in a car ad as evidence of sleaziness. Therefore I distrust most of the listings on ebay. Craigslist seems to have a lot less of this for some reason. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall?
I thought it was you, but yea, I guess it was Brian. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall? When it comes to new 190Ds it could be Brian, I've had mine well over a year. Still I'm in for it being Marshall I don't have the warning whatsis in the trunk. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny)
Hmm. Yes, the valves were adjusted about 8 or 9 thousand miles ago when the new (used) engine was installed. And the engine has supposedly only about 120k mi. on it now. It is a nice peppy engine and starts quite easily. Oh, and I replaced all the glow plugs about 2.5k mi. ago. BTW car is 83 240D. Continue reading on and help me solve this mystery - it may be related to these other conditions: The only other problem that I can cite (and may be related?) is that of a slight miss just after it starts. Every few seconds it misses. This goes on for the first 10 or 15 seconds, and mostly clears up if I give it a touch of throttle. And along with the missing is some unhealthy sounding knocking and pinging. Oh, and every once in a while when I start it, and these conditions are present, it smokes quite noticeably. Then the smoke stops after 10 or 20 seconds. If I throttle it at this time, it just makes more smoke. But this whole smoking business is the exception not the norm. Then when I do accelerate before the engine is operating temp., the knocking and pinging are still there. Lately, even when completely warm, it can be heard to ping under acceleration once in a while. I did ask the list about this a while ago, and the options presented included running some diesel purge, doing the Italian tuneup (I always get hungry when I see that), and the more troubling option that I may have bad injectors or cracked prechambers. I have not yet run diesel purge. But I do think that I get something approaching Italian on it on a fairly regular basis. That is if I understand the magnitude of romping required to qualify as a Nunzio. I understand that it is more about pushing it hard, say, up hills and when completely warmed up. The heat and load on the engine are more important than the mere revvs, yes? I do have an aversion to revving the engine high. Wish the thing came with a tachometer and I knew the redline. Yes, I know you supposedly cannot overrev a diesel except for by downshifting. Brian 83 240D On 7/11/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's possible only 2 or 3 cylinders are firing - due to bad glow plugs - and once warmed up all start cylinders working as they should. But it;s a strange situation - especially the manny tran - that 4 cyl is pretty simple. But the engine will die a long slow death gradually losing more and more power and making it more and more difficult to start until one day it won't start at all. You could have some problems that are not noticable when warmed up. But hopefully its only the GP's. My 240D did that - started fine until one cold afternoon it would not start anymore - had 2 broken pistons a bunch of broken rings. Have you checked your valve adjustments lately? Should be adjusted every 12k-15k miles. Out of adjustment valves can lead to a lossof power. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:23 PM Subject: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny) This should be an easy one: When the 240D is not warmed up yet, and I try to take off on a hill, I get this shuddering and it loses power. I am thinking it feels like the clutch is slipping (but I thought clutch slippage was a more smooth loss of power and resultant engine revving). Could it be that the engine is not warmed up enough to produce sufficient power for the task and is thus sort of giving up? I think I have a good clutch in there. Can a cold clutch act like this? Anyway, I'll stop theorizing and let the question stand. Brian 83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall?
Wow! I just looked at the picture. You know, I have actually wondered what the suspension load capacity is on my cars. Both mine seem to sit low with not too much weight added. But maybe this is normal. The 240 was pretty weighted down with some necessities (no, not a calf, but I did have a horse-like Doberman in the back seat) on my recent moving trip, but no ill-effects. Well, it did vibrate at about 80mph. Brian 83 240D 87 190D On 7/11/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it was you, but yea, I guess it was Brian. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall? When it comes to new 190Ds it could be Brian, I've had mine well over a year. Still I'm in for it being Marshall I don't have the warning whatsis in the trunk. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Beater Review
a beater 240D on Craigs list here (Austin, TX) this morning for $5000. I couldn't give away a 1984 300D in about the same shape for $1500 several years ago. No kidding! I can't believe the number of Mercedes diesels around here that are priced around 4K that need AC recharging (probably need more than that), non-functioning power windows, even imperfect paint. 240D's around here have been affected by the biodiesel craze, so if it runs at all and can run on bioD, it's worth at least $3K. If it's a W126 you're after, those can still be acquired rather cheaply, anywhere from a $1000 running beater to $3500 for a reasonably good example. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Beater Review
I dont know why the 126's go cheaper than the 123's of the same years (diesels that is). --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Beater Review a beater 240D on Craigs list here (Austin, TX) this morning for $5000. I couldn't give away a 1984 300D in about the same shape for $1500 several years ago. No kidding! I can't believe the number of Mercedes diesels around here that are priced around 4K that need AC recharging (probably need more than that), non-functioning power windows, even imperfect paint. 240D's around here have been affected by the biodiesel craze, so if it runs at all and can run on bioD, it's worth at least $3K. If it's a W126 you're after, those can still be acquired rather cheaply, anywhere from a $1000 running beater to $3500 for a reasonably good example. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow A/C leak 240D
When the shops ran over the system with a sniffer, did they bother to run it up under the dash to see if the evaporator is leaking? Does the compressor or somewhere in the line have a high pressure safety blow off valve? Most systems do and if those things fail or get weak, the first time you are stuck at a light in the heat with the ac on , they'll pop open and out it goes. Usually you'll hear it and see a fog coming out from under the car for a few seconds, but if they fail in slow release, you'll never notice it. ---Robert archer wrote: Been trying to fix a slow A/C leak in an '83 240D off and on for the past several months. Two local shops were not able to find the leak with their freon detectors, and I haven't been able to find it with four cans of UV dyed freon and a high tech UV source from a lab. I've checked the condensate water from the evaporator several times for UV dye with negative results. I can pull it down with a vacuum pump and put in the required weight of 134a one day, drive it that day with plenty of cold air blowing, and the next day there will be absolutely no pressure showing on the low pressure gauge. I've never replaced any O-rings and the low pressure rubber return line from the evaporator is the original. I'm wondering what the next thing to do would be? Thanks. Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Beater Review
dont know why the 126's go cheaper than the 123's of the same years (diesels that is). My guess is that it's the size of the W126's that makes them less appealing. Perhaps, they're looked down upon for being the older person's car rather than the much more hip 240D. I really like the quieter W126. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Beater Review
--- Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rather than the much more hip 240D. *snicker* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up
If all the previously mentioned mechanical checks turn up nothing other than blowby, the rings may just be getting a bit dirty. I've had amazing luck with running a couple of treatments of Auto RX through old diesels. It does wonders for cleaning up sticky rings and bringing compression back up. I've even brought a couple of diesels back to life from the boneyard with it ( doesn't always get all of them though, it did bring compression up on my old diesel truck from the mid 100's to 200's , up to 405-420 psi all the way around, but one oil ring on #4 wouldn't unstick for anything on that one and I had to pull the thing ) check out www.auto-rx.com , not snake oil, it really works. Worst thing that can happen is you get a clean engine. -Robert Robert Rentfro wrote: It seems my oil consumption has crept up over the last several months. Now, at 176K miles, it seem to be going through one quart each 600 miles or so. It had been one per 1200 miles for the longest time. Nothing is dripping on the drive. The exhaust looks right but smells a little off (you know what I mean). At last valve adjustment (10K ago or so) there was no chain stretch to speak of. She's running well overall. What do you reckon the deal is? Bob R. '77 300D 176K 91 degrees at 0620 hrs, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Beater Review
On 7/11/07, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dont know why the 126's go cheaper than the 123's of the same years (diesels that is). My guess is that it's the size of the W126's that makes them less appealing. Perhaps, they're looked down upon for being the older person's car rather than the much more hip 240D. I really like the quieter W126. Yeah, that's my guess too. To the general public, the 123 has a funky, retro, practical feel to it, like a Volvo 240. But the 126 is bigger than it needs to be, and its design (like that of the 124 and 201) is too modern to be hip---it smacks of conspicuous consumption. Also, as a general rule, to normal people (not gearheads), cars from the '70s are old enough to be thought of as classics, while most '80s cars are just worn-out junk. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Might actually be worth it
Allan expressed my very thoughts only with eloquence. On 7/11/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Got it. Actually the seller of my 190D touted the cold air. And yes, he was sleazy. I view any hyperbole in a car ad as evidence of sleaziness. Therefore I distrust most of the listings on ebay. Craigslist seems to have a lot less of this for some reason. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall?
They had another calf roped to the hood as a counter-balance... On 7/11/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! I just looked at the picture. You know, I have actually wondered what the suspension load capacity is on my cars. Both mine seem to sit low with not too much weight added. But maybe this is normal. The 240 was pretty weighted down with some necessities (no, not a calf, but I did have a horse-like Doberman in the back seat) on my recent moving trip, but no ill-effects. Well, it did vibrate at about 80mph. Brian 83 240D 87 190D On 7/11/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it was you, but yea, I guess it was Brian. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall? When it comes to new 190Ds it could be Brian, I've had mine well over a year. Still I'm in for it being Marshall I don't have the warning whatsis in the trunk. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny)
Hey Brian, My 240D would do a wierd shaking at idle sometimes once it was warmed up. I got a bottle of Diesel Kleen at the parts store, waited until I was low on fuel (like 1/4 tank) and put the whole thing in. Thats way over the concentration they suggest but it did the trick. I also use Diesel Kleen to prefill the fuel filter when I change it. It smells alot like diesel purge and seems to work similarly. -Curt Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:53:24 -0700 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hmm. Yes, the valves were adjusted about 8 or 9 thousand miles ago when the new (used) engine was installed. And the engine has supposedly only about 120k mi. on it now. It is a nice peppy engine and starts quite easily. Oh, and I replaced all the glow plugs about 2.5k mi. ago. BTW car is 83 240D. Continue reading on and help me solve this mystery - it may be related to these other conditions: The only other problem that I can cite (and may be related?) is that of a slight miss just after it starts. Every few seconds it misses. This goes on for the first 10 or 15 seconds, and mostly clears up if I give it a touch of throttle. And along with the missing is some unhealthy sounding knocking and pinging. Oh, and every once in a while when I start it, and these conditions are present, it smokes quite noticeably. Then the smoke stops after 10 or 20 seconds. If I throttle it at this time, it just makes more smoke. But this whole smoking business is the exception not the norm. Then when I do accelerate before the engine is operating temp., the knocking and pinging are still there. Lately, even when completely warm, it can be heard to ping under acceleration once in a while. I did ask the list about this a while ago, and the options presented included running some diesel purge, doing the Italian tuneup (I always get hungry when I see that), and the more troubling option that I may have bad injectors or cracked prechambers. I have not yet run diesel purge. But I do think that I get something approaching Italian on it on a fairly regular basis. That is if I understand the magnitude of romping required to qualify as a Nunzio. I understand that it is more about pushing it hard, say, up hills and when completely warmed up. The heat and load on the engine are more important than the mere revvs, yes? I do have an aversion to revving the engine high. Wish the thing came with a tachometer and I knew the redline. Yes, I know you supposedly cannot overrev a diesel except for by downshifting. Brian 83 240D - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Beater Review
Yea, I guess the 126 does still have a modern look to it where as the 123 is more classic now. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Beater Review On 7/11/07, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dont know why the 126's go cheaper than the 123's of the same years (diesels that is). My guess is that it's the size of the W126's that makes them less appealing. Perhaps, they're looked down upon for being the older person's car rather than the much more hip 240D. I really like the quieter W126. Yeah, that's my guess too. To the general public, the 123 has a funky, retro, practical feel to it, like a Volvo 240. But the 126 is bigger than it needs to be, and its design (like that of the 124 and 201) is too modern to be hip---it smacks of conspicuous consumption. Also, as a general rule, to normal people (not gearheads), cars from the '70s are old enough to be thought of as classics, while most '80s cars are just worn-out junk. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] favorite ad cliches
Curious: Is this because this is one of those catch phrases used by often sleazy sellers, or do you have a more specific reason... Along with: looks like new runs like new perfect unmarked showroom immaculate factory fresh just needs a charge etc. RLE ** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] favorite ad cliches
unless it's wilton's showroom-condition 300D; then all the cliches are true. On 7/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curious: Is this because this is one of those catch phrases used by often sleazy sellers, or do you have a more specific reason... Along with: looks like new runs like new perfect unmarked showroom immaculate factory fresh just needs a charge etc. RLE ** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
Craig, You are comparing apples to oranges. Mike On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:22:36 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MBZ cruise sucks...It is not even close to good enough to keep the engine at a steady enough speed under changing loads to maintain a steady voltage and frequency. It could work, but not very good for electronic equipment. Then the electronic equipment is not very good. When we lived in rural Colorado, we had a Honda EM-500 that powered the lights and our stereo equipment. Worked just fine. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny)
Howdy - You wrote every once in a while when I start it, and these conditions are present, it smokes quite noticeably. Then the smoke stops after 10 or 20 seconds. If I throttle it at this time, it just makes more smoke. IMO this is the results of carbon buildup in the cylinder/prechamber area. I believe the knocking and pinging you hear are also the results of carbon buildup. You asked about Italian Tuneups - it;s more than what you list, although those are helpful - Mostly it needs to be driven at interstate speed for *hours* at a time. Also, when my 91 300D had similar symptoms (heavy smoke at startup but very intermittant) I stopped it by using Ferox 200 (bought 3 bottles from a place found with Google) and ran it thru the fuel system as my wife drove it daily 110Mi + to and from work - which solved the problem permanently. Also - you wroteWish the thing came with a tachometer and I knew the redline. Yes, I know you supposedly You need to study the speedometer - there's small marks - one at around 23mph which is the limit for the low gear. More marks are easily seen - I for the first gear, II for the second gear and so on. The final is around 54 IIRC, and engine will not go past this point in any gear except the highest you have. My AT equipped 79 240D will not shiht above those points. I doubt yours will either. You can try the suggestions above - but IMHO doing a compression test will generally tell you much about the engines condition. I hope this helps - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Loss of power,shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny) Hmm. Yes, the valves were adjusted about 8 or 9 thousand miles ago when the new (used) engine was installed. And the engine has supposedly only about 120k mi. on it now. It is a nice peppy engine and starts quite easily. Oh, and I replaced all the glow plugs about 2.5k mi. ago. BTW car is 83 240D. Continue reading on and help me solve this mystery - it may be related to these other conditions: The only other problem that I can cite (and may be related?) is that of a slight miss just after it starts. Every few seconds it misses. This goes on for the first 10 or 15 seconds, and mostly clears up if I give it a touch of throttle. And along with the missing is some unhealthy sounding knocking and pinging. Oh, and every once in a while when I start it, and these conditions are present, it smokes quite noticeably. Then the smoke stops after 10 or 20 seconds. If I throttle it at this time, it just makes more smoke. But this whole smoking business is the exception not the norm. Then when I do accelerate before the engine is operating temp., the knocking and pinging are still there. Lately, even when completely warm, it can be heard to ping under acceleration once in a while. I did ask the list about this a while ago, and the options presented included running some diesel purge, doing the Italian tuneup (I always get hungry when I see that), and the more troubling option that I may have bad injectors or cracked prechambers. I have not yet run diesel purge. But I do think that I get something approaching Italian on it on a fairly regular basis. That is if I understand the magnitude of romping required to qualify as a Nunzio. I understand that it is more about pushing it hard, say, up hills and when completely warmed up. The heat and load on the engine are more important than the mere revvs, yes? I do have an aversion to revving the engine high. Wish the thing came with a tachometer and I knew the redline. Yes, I know you supposedly cannot overrev a diesel except for by downshifting. Brian 83 240D On 7/11/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's possible only 2 or 3 cylinders are firing - due to bad glow plugs - and once warmed up all start cylinders working as they should. But it;s a strange situation - especially the manny tran - that 4 cyl is pretty simple. But the engine will die a long slow death gradually losing more and more power and making it more and more difficult to start until one day it won't start at all. You could have some problems that are not noticable when warmed up. But hopefully its only the GP's. My 240D did that - started fine until one cold afternoon it would not start anymore - had 2 broken pistons a bunch of broken rings. Have you checked your valve adjustments lately? Should be adjusted every 12k-15k miles. Out of adjustment valves can lead to a lossof power. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net
Re: [MBZ] favorite ad cliches
On 7/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: runs like new Plenty of used '70s and '80s cars I've checked out do in fact run like new in the sense of just as badly as when they were new. Consumer Reports used to have a section headed Starting and Driving in their car reviews. I remember marveling as a kid in the '80s how many new cars were described as starting reluctantly and running poorly when cold. Of course this was back in the days of primitive engine management that favored good emissions over good driveability. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up
Robert - The website for auto-rx indicates that the application is for Auto-RxR Automotive Application Instructions For Light-Duty Diesel Engines under 100,000 miles 1. NOTE: This application applies only to the following engines only: Ford PSD (Power Stroke) Chevrolet/GM Duramax and Dodge with Cummins engines Are you saying that it works well for something like my 1981 300SD with 291k miles? Not really having any problems with it, but you never know. Thanks - BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Tara Ludwick Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up If all the previously mentioned mechanical checks turn up nothing other than blowby, the rings may just be getting a bit dirty. I've had amazing luck with running a couple of treatments of Auto RX through old diesels. It does wonders for cleaning up sticky rings and bringing compression back up. I've even brought a couple of diesels back to life from the boneyard with it ( doesn't always get all of them though, it did bring compression up on my old diesel truck from the mid 100's to 200's , up to 405-420 psi all the way around, but one oil ring on #4 wouldn't unstick for anything on that one and I had to pull the thing ) check out www.auto-rx.com , not snake oil, it really works. Worst thing that can happen is you get a clean engine. -Robert Robert Rentfro wrote: It seems my oil consumption has crept up over the last several months. Now, at 176K miles, it seem to be going through one quart each 600 miles or so. It had been one per 1200 miles for the longest time. Nothing is dripping on the drive. The exhaust looks right but smells a little off (you know what I mean). At last valve adjustment (10K ago or so) there was no chain stretch to speak of. She's running well overall. What do you reckon the deal is? Bob R. '77 300D 176K 91 degrees at 0620 hrs, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Beater Review
kevin wrotemuch more hip 240D Now, I've heard it all! LOL! Man! with prices like that I may put my 78 240D in the market! ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Beater Review dont know why the 126's go cheaper than the 123's of the same years (diesels that is). My guess is that it's the size of the W126's that makes them less appealing. Perhaps, they're looked down upon for being the older person's car rather than the much more hip 240D. I really like the quieter W126. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall?
The PUN in there is stinky! -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (271,xxx mi) needs head '83 300SD (246,645 mi) SOLD! '82 300CD (166 kmi) getting front end rebuild '82 300D (74 kmi) getting '85 donor engine-SOLD! '85 300D (280,176) parts car-sans engine Quoting Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You have my full attention, but you story had better not be a bunch of bull. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny)
Actually we have driven that car on two long trips: one from AZ to Minnesota (with two people and luggage) and from Minnesota to WA (with one person, one 80lb. dog, and much cargo). Both trips required much pedal-to-floor time to make it. I remembered this after I posted. So I would think that this would fill the requirement to clean things out? Brian 83 240D Larry wrote: You asked about Italian Tuneups - it;s more than what you list, although those are helpful - Mostly it needs to be driven at interstate speed for *hours* at a time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up
Let me amend that question - I do not see any indication of it's use if MB's - high mileage yes. Have you used it in a good 5 cylinder diesel? Thanks - BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillR Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 5:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up Robert - The website for auto-rx indicates that the application is for Auto-RxR Automotive Application Instructions For Light-Duty Diesel Engines under 100,000 miles 1. NOTE: This application applies only to the following engines only: Ford PSD (Power Stroke) Chevrolet/GM Duramax and Dodge with Cummins engines Are you saying that it works well for something like my 1981 300SD with 291k miles? Not really having any problems with it, but you never know. Thanks - BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Tara Ludwick Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up If all the previously mentioned mechanical checks turn up nothing other than blowby, the rings may just be getting a bit dirty. I've had amazing luck with running a couple of treatments of Auto RX through old diesels. It does wonders for cleaning up sticky rings and bringing compression back up. I've even brought a couple of diesels back to life from the boneyard with it ( doesn't always get all of them though, it did bring compression up on my old diesel truck from the mid 100's to 200's , up to 405-420 psi all the way around, but one oil ring on #4 wouldn't unstick for anything on that one and I had to pull the thing ) check out www.auto-rx.com , not snake oil, it really works. Worst thing that can happen is you get a clean engine. -Robert Robert Rentfro wrote: It seems my oil consumption has crept up over the last several months. Now, at 176K miles, it seem to be going through one quart each 600 miles or so. It had been one per 1200 miles for the longest time. Nothing is dripping on the drive. The exhaust looks right but smells a little off (you know what I mean). At last valve adjustment (10K ago or so) there was no chain stretch to speak of. She's running well overall. What do you reckon the deal is? Bob R. '77 300D 176K 91 degrees at 0620 hrs, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Beater Review
On 7/11/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kevin wrotemuch more hip 240D Now, I've heard it all! LOL! Man! with prices like that I may put my 78 240D in the market! ;-) It's true, though. I don't think you fellows in the rest of the country understand quite how crazy the Mercedes diesel market is here in the Pacific Northwest. A few factors in combination---the discovery of biofuels by the granola culture (no offense intended as I'm kind of one myself), the old-car culture that already had a solid presence (thanks to our mild climate and unsalted roads), and the fact that there have always been more furrin than domestic cars on the West Coast---have created a perfect storm for 123 desirability. It's like the tulip mania in 17th-century Holland. Sell your 240D here while you can and retire on the proceeds! The upside, of course, is that for every boom there's a bust. In a couple of years when a wide selection of new cars designed to run on ULSD are on the market, all the flower children will be trading their 300Ds for diesel Accords, and the former will be available dirt cheap. Sadly, I suspect many of them will be in dire condition and need a lot of TLC. Judging by the number of 123 wagons I see dragging ass around town with blown SLS systems, many of the bio-crazy purchasers of Benzes are out of their depth, with neither the will nor the cash to take proper care of an old car. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:14:54 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig, You are comparing apples to oranges. Mike On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:22:36 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MBZ cruise sucks...It is not even close to good enough to keep the engine at a steady enough speed under changing loads to maintain a steady voltage and frequency. It could work, but not very good for electronic equipment. Then the electronic equipment is not very good. When we lived in rural Colorado, we had a Honda EM-500 that powered the lights and our stereo equipment. Worked just fine. Not so. The Honda was very poor on frequency and voltage regulation. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up
If you are Not really having any problems with your engine, don't put any additives/cleaners/snake-oil into it. BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Robert - The website for auto-rx indicates that the application is for Auto-RxR Automotive Application Instructions For Light-Duty Diesel Engines under 100,000 miles 1. NOTE: This application applies only to the following engines only: Ford PSD (Power Stroke) Chevrolet/GM Duramax and Dodge with Cummins engines Are you saying that it works well for something like my 1981 300SD with 291k miles? Not really having any problems with it, but you never know. Thanks - BillR -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up
Don't plan to at the moment, I just like to have options if such should happen. Engine seems good and strong, oil pressure drops to 2.8 when hot and sitting at a light, otherwise it stays at 3.0. Delvac for the last 40k miles [since I have had it] I think things are good for now. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 5:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up If you are Not really having any problems with your engine, don't put any additives/cleaners/snake-oil into it. BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Robert - The website for auto-rx indicates that the application is for Auto-RxR Automotive Application Instructions For Light-Duty Diesel Engines under 100,000 miles 1. NOTE: This application applies only to the following engines only: Ford PSD (Power Stroke) Chevrolet/GM Duramax and Dodge with Cummins engines Are you saying that it works well for something like my 1981 300SD with 291k miles? Not really having any problems with it, but you never know. Thanks - BillR -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
I think fuel is a critical issue. Given the long-term storage problems with gasoline and Diesel fuel, I opted for a 15KW commercial (Generac) package that runs on propane. I have a 500gal underground tank that I also use for cooking and emergency heat. It's a lot less fun, but the Generac package comes with switchover gear, etc and is relatively easy to install. Scott Ritchey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Merle Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 02:38 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator We are starting to have several power outages where I stay and I was wondering about getting a spare OM617 ( non turbo ) and hooking it up to an alternator and powering my home . It is a bit of overkill but it also servers the purpose of having a hot standby OM617 on call. ( I have 3 other vehicles with this engine.) The problem I foresee is how to govern the engine to run at a constant 3000 rpm in order to maintain a stable voltage and frequency under varying load. Can the existing MW pump be converted to operate in constant rpm mode? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
There are plenty of industrial diesel engines out there running with standard IPs in constant speed applications. The only real benefit to modifying the pump for such an application would be to increase longevity or reduce manufacturing costs. The generator industry is full of what we commonly called assembled units, meaning a supplier did nothing more that purchase an industrial engine, an alternator with voltage regulator, and a pre-packaged set of engine controls. Flywheel housings are standardized as are flywheels and couplings, so there's almost no engineering involved. The tricky part is the engine controls and governor. The easiest and cheapest method of frequency (speed) regulation is a mechanical, or flyweight governor. There are only a few manufacturers out there, and installation is pretty straightforward - you only need a belt to drive it off the engine and linkage to connect to the throttle. The problem here is that mechanical governors, on a good day, give you about 3% - 5% regulation. For today's electronic devices, that's not very good. At 60Hz, +/- 5% is 57Hz to 63Hz. Your computer and other frequency sensitive devices aren't going to be happy. They may very well work, but you're on the ragged edge. Take that down to 50Hz and the window opens up even more. There are lots of electronic governors out there, also known as isochronous governors, which will maintain a much tigher frequency (speed) regulation. However, with tighter regulation comes higher costs. Companies like Barber-Coleman and Woodward dominate this market, and make many bolt-up,, off the shelf governor systems that work independently of other engine/control systems. Another issue you run into when operating at the lower end of the torque/horsepower curve is throttle lag. Because you don't have the advantage of engine mass working on your side like you would at a higher RPM, variations from load to no load and vice-versa are far more pronounced because of limitations in fuel system operation. A good example of this is the predecessors of solid state UPS systems, which were nothing more than motor generators (an electric motor, a big honkin' flywheel, and a generator.) These not only provided a different power source for mainframe computers (400Hz) but they also acted as a UPS. The inertia stored in the very large flywheel would continue to spin the generator for several seconds when the motor was powered down (power loss) providing power to the computers. The flywheel also dampened response of the motor and generator speeds. You could do much the same with an engine generator if you wanted to put a monster flywheel between them Anyway, I've rambled on enough as it is. Can you tell I was in the business for 20+ years? Dan Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
For many years, Generac (Genecrap as they were known in the industry) tried hard to compete with us big boys in the spec market, something they were never successful at. However, they finally got their act together anc concentrated on the consumer side, where they have been very successful with the small home standby units. I have a good friend that's a Generac distributor who sells tons of these things. I knnow that the big box retailers like Home Despot do as well. They're very well designed and packaged, and if I wanted a small stationary home standby unit with a transfer switch (switchover gear) I would probably go with one. As for LP as a fuel, the choices are no-brainers, mainly due to the storage issues. The only bad thing about gaseous fuels is the lower BTU content, but the manufacturers have taken that into consideration when sizing engines. Dan --- Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think fuel is a critical issue. Given the long-term storage problems with gasoline and Diesel fuel, I opted for a 15KW commercial (Generac) package that runs on propane. I have a 500gal underground tank that I also use for cooking and emergency heat. It's a lot less fun, but the Generac package comes with switchover gear, etc and is relatively easy to install. Scott Ritchey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Merle Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 02:38 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator We are starting to have several power outages where I stay and I was wondering about getting a spare OM617 ( non turbo ) and hooking it up to an alternator and powering my home . It is a bit of overkill but it also servers the purpose of having a hot standby OM617 on call. ( I have 3 other vehicles with this engine.) The problem I foresee is how to govern the engine to run at a constant 3000 rpm in order to maintain a stable voltage and frequency under varying load. Can the existing MW pump be converted to operate in constant rpm mode? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
What is a good source for generator heads of high quality? I've looked many a time at making a house generator out of a OM616 but never could find a good source for gen heads. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (271,xxx mi) needs head '83 300SD (246,645 mi) SOLD! '82 300CD (166 kmi) getting front end rebuild '82 300D (74 kmi) getting '85 donor engine-SOLD! '85 300D (280,176) parts car-sans engine Quoting Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]: other vehicles with this engine.) The problem I foresee is how to govern the engine to run at a constant 3000 rpm in order to maintain a stable voltage and frequency under varying load. Can the existing MW pump be converted to operate in constant rpm mode? Probably, I think the tradeoff between constant-rpm and constant-torque (if you will) is set by spring ratios, but finding someone who knows enough about it to actually make that conversion may be difficult. You might contact your local Bosch pump shop to see if they can help. The one here said they only saw such pumps every couple of years, however, and had little practical experience with them. They offered to have me send mine out to some shop in CA! (Cummins/Dodge 24-valve rotary pumps, on the other hand, they work on all day every day...) The IP in the Frankenheap (vacuum-operated) seems to be a 'tractor' pump already, it definitely drives a bit differently than most other cars. The cruise control system could be adapted, but I'm sure the PID feedback loop constants are all wrong for that mode. I personally would be more comfortable dinking with one of those than the guts of the IP, your mileage may vary. It would be better too, if you planned to have the engine as a spare for one of your rides. Less modifications to undo. The speed control doesn't need to be all that elaborate to be practical, my Hercules just has a flyweight governor that runs the throttle plate. If all you need is 10kW you'd probably be better served with the 1500 RPM 4-pole generator head. Quieter, and probably much thriftier. Such heads are generally much better constructed as well, and much more likely to last longer. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Showroom??
unless it's wilton's showroom-condition 300D; then all the cliches are true. Piffle. Unless it was delivered new this week, it is not in showroom condition. RLE ** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Beater Review
Heresy I understand, but a stable of one W123 is sufficient. Two if you need a backup. Ten if you find wagons. Now, to work on getting that Volvo 240 so I look even more like a liberal arts professor. Might even have to take up the pipe again -- ah, the aroma of Captain Black ... ! Joking aside, this beater article has inspired me to attack the few places of surface rust on my W123, rather than letting them wait until the fall. On 7/11/07, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless you get a 123 wagon from a list member at a really good price. - -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Beater Review
Unless you get a 123 wagon from a list member at a really good price. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (271,xxx mi) needs head '83 300SD (246,645 mi) SOLD! '82 300CD (166 kmi) getting front end rebuild '82 300D (74 kmi) getting '85 donor engine-SOLD! '85 300D (280,176) parts car-sans engine Quoting Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I dont know why the 126's go cheaper than the 123's of the same years (diesels that is). --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
LWB250 wrote: I have a good friend that's a Generac distributor who sells tons of these things. I knnow that the big box retailers like Home Despot do as well. They're very well designed and packaged, and if I wanted a small stationary home standby unit with a transfer switch (switchover gear) I would probably go with one. Home Depot had a Buy $2000 worth of tools and generators, get $500 off sale back in April. The 7kw Generac standby unit was $1999. Throw in a cheap hand tool to get the purchase over $2k, and you're out the door for less than $1600 including tax. Finally got it hooked up last week. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this Curt and his new 190? Or is it Marshall?
I'm sure I saw that car/cow in Kaleb's yard once --- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
No, I mean the equipmentCheeap stereo's and lighting are very forgiving. PC's and high draw electric motors are not so. Mike On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:14:54 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig, You are comparing apples to oranges. Mike On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:22:36 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MBZ cruise sucks...It is not even close to good enough to keep the engine at a steady enough speed under changing loads to maintain a steady voltage and frequency. It could work, but not very good for electronic equipment. Then the electronic equipment is not very good. When we lived in rural Colorado, we had a Honda EM-500 that powered the lights and our stereo equipment. Worked just fine. Not so. The Honda was very poor on frequency and voltage regulation. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
That's a pretty derned sweet deal!! Mike LWB250 wrote: I have a good friend that's a Generac distributor who sells tons of these things. I knnow that the big box retailers like Home Despot do as well. They're very well designed and packaged, and if I wanted a small stationary home standby unit with a transfer switch (switchover gear) I would probably go with one. Home Depot had a Buy $2000 worth of tools and generators, get $500 off sale back in April. The 7kw Generac standby unit was $1999. Throw in a cheap hand tool to get the purchase over $2k, and you're out the door for less than $1600 including tax. Finally got it hooked up last week. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
My Generac runs at about 63Hz lightly loaded but slows to about 61 Hz with about 50% load (like the water heater). There are instructions for adjusting the governor but I haven't done it. Also, we notice the lights get brighter when the water heater clicks off. This system has a mechanical governor for speed and an electronic voltage regulator. We haven't noticed any ill effects except the clocks gain time. Of course, my PC is on an UPS so it would not be effected but the TIVO, TV, etc only have surge protectors and they were fine. Scott Ritchey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 19:43 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator No, I mean the equipmentCheeap stereo's and lighting are very forgiving. PC's and high draw electric motors are not so. Mike On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:14:54 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig, You are comparing apples to oranges. Mike On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:22:36 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MBZ cruise sucks...It is not even close to good enough to keep the engine at a steady enough speed under changing loads to maintain a steady voltage and frequency. It could work, but not very good for electronic equipment. Then the electronic equipment is not very good. When we lived in rural Colorado, we had a Honda EM-500 that powered the lights and our stereo equipment. Worked just fine. Not so. The Honda was very poor on frequency and voltage regulation. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny)
Zoltan Finks wrote: This should be an easy one: When the 240D is not warmed up yet, and I try to take off on a hill, I get this shuddering and it loses power. I am thinking it feels like the clutch is slipping (but I thought clutch slippage was a more smooth loss of power and resultant engine revving). Could it be that the engine is not warmed up enough to produce sufficient power for the task and is thus sort of giving up? I think I have a good clutch in there. Can a cold clutch act like this? Anyway, I'll stop theorizing and let the question stand. The engine being cold exaggerates ANY aspect of the system that isn't operating properly. If the injector spray pattern or pressure isn't within the tolerable range, both power and idle smoothness will be degraded. This may not be evident when the engine is warmed up. The clutch may not be in good condition (which may be much exaggerated when cold). If the damper to the injection pump linkage isn't present or has worn out there can be a shudder when starting out, especially when cold. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 420 SEL test port question?
Hi Everyone, Going to look at a 420 SEL later this week. I know the V8s have a test port. Is it the same as the 300E, red on #3 and black on ground if you want to have a look at the 02 sensor to see what's up with a dwell meter? Also, where does rust like to hide in these beasts? I'm told the car is extra clean with only about 100,000 miles, so we will see. Few records tough, so I'll look extra close and a PPI on this one before buying. He says it needs rear brakes as the light comes on. Is the light just an indicator there is a fluid inbalance, or faulty master cylinder? Thanks everyone. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:42:39 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I mean the equipmentCheeap stereo's and lighting are very forgiving. PC's and high draw electric motors are not so. PCs have switch-mode power supplies. If they're designed properly they'll take anything from DC to, well, not daylight, but the frequency isn't all that important. Of course, cheap PC supplies probably aren't designed properly. Now a days, a UPS is de reguier. High draw motors, like our 3 HP well pump in Colorado, are only slightly picky, though a lot more so than SMPSs. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Generator heads [was: Re: OM617 conversion to generator]
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:13:21 -0500 Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is a good source for generator heads of high quality? I've looked many a time at making a house generator out of a OM616 but never could find a good source for gen heads. I got one of mine, a 2-pole, 3600 RPM, 4 kW 120/240 unit from WW.Grainger http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/start.shtml The other one, a 4-pole, 1800 RPM unit, configurable to 120/240 or 120/208 3 phase Y at 104.5 amps per phase, was made by Kato Mfg in Minnesota. I got it directly from the manufacturer. I think they're no longer making generators that small. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
