Re: [MBZ] McD Coffee
One of the McDonalds near us already has had a McCafe for a couple of years, complete with yummy looking cakes. You lot are sooo behind the times :-) John M McIntosh wrote: Wasn't someone talking about McD's Coffee? OLATHE, Kan. -- This fall, a McDonald's here added a position to its crew: barista. McDonald's is setting out to poach Starbucks customers with the biggest addition to its menu in 30 years. Starting this year, the company's nearly 14,000 U.S. locations will install coffee bars with baristas serving cappuccinos, lattes, mochas and the Frappe, similar to Starbucks' ice-blended Frappuccino. Internal documents from 2007 say the program, which also will add smoothies and bottled beverages, will add $1 billion to McDonald's annual sales of $21.6 billion. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Smart crash test
You wrote:Who in their right mind would take a SMART on the highway anyway Howdy -- If they sell them here some one will drive them on the interstates at max speed. Just like those Emergency spare tires that have Max Speed 45 MPH printed in the sidewall - people either can't read or choose to ignore those warnings. Everyday I see some nitwit driving a car packed with people and a Emergency spare tire at one corner going hell-for-leather and passing everything else on the road. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Smart crash test Who in their right mind would take a SMART on the highway anyway? If we get one it will be dedicated to commuting less than 6 miles each way, in urban traffic.. On Jan 5, 2008 9:33 PM, Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to Euro NCAP the smart did way better than a W202 http://www.euroncap.com/tests/smart_fortwo_2007/303.aspx http://www.euroncap.com/tests/smart_forfour_2005/224.aspx http://www.euroncap.com/tests/mercedes_benz_c_class_1997/18.aspx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These ones http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s and they are faster than a Farrari http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV1zQMcSsk0 Perhaps it's time to trade the C class in :-) No, not those ones, which are just stunts with no scientific value. I suggest you look at the Euro-NCAP offset crash tests published in the December 19 edition of Auto Motor und Sport in which the Mercedes W204, Renault Laguna, Chrysler Voyager, Fiat 500. Peugeot 308, Honda Civic hybrid, VW Tiguan, Peugeot 207 CC, VW Eos and Smart FORTWO try to move the barrier with their noses. The worst-in-test Chrysler Voyager's instrumented front seat passengers do badly. the Smart better with upper leg injuries in both seats and the Mercedes not quite as good as the Renault. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT/ my nephew
I probably approved it since it was replying to a related thread. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:34 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT/ my nephew Hey Mr. Jim...was the Tim that was on earlier today related to you? Bob R Bob/Chuck/Kaleb, Yes, Tim Friesen is my 40 year old nephew.? When I sent the errant message about the Dakar rally to the list, I copied Tim, and my brother, Tom (Tim's Dad), and my son, Eric.? Tim must have hit reply to all when he wanted us to know that the Dakar was canceled. How his message reached the Okibenz list is certainly curious.? Tim?is a Ford man, with a chipped diesel F250 crew cab, big tires and a 6 lift.? Kaleb?? Any ideas? Jim in Phoenix Jim in Phoenix More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace woes
The motor is 120V, it has multiple leads but these are for achieving different speeds. Indeed it does have an external starting capacitor. Of course I forgot to grab it when I left. Presumably the shop would have a suitable capacitor lying around, but that would only verify that the motor is OK -- I guess if it is I could assume that the capacitor is the problem. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Allan, The motor may use an external capacitor mounted near it, which could be your problem. If the fan motor has 3 wires and runs at 208 to 240 volts, follow each wire until it leads you to a capacitor. Take the capacitor with you for testing. Jim in Phoenix ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] stratified downdraft gasifier, a.k.a. a wood-gas generator
Put one of these puppies in your trunk and you are set for the downfall of civilization! And your requisite Bush-bash in there too! --R Nifty video of a home-built stratified downdraft gasifier, a.k.a. a wood-gas generator. Wood gasification was an important 19th century fuel technology, but was finally displaced by petroleum-based gas. Wood gas made something of a comeback during WWII, borne of necessity. It may come back again, after the apocalypse, when we need to try and outrun the Main Force Patrol on our way to Thunderdome. Just pray we can stoke enough chairlegs and clapboard to get us all the way to Bartertown. Gasifier Stove - Link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBsG32n_8oc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBsG32n_8oc ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bcs dissatisfaction
Luther wrote: Do you remember that the second time Missouri played OU? The score was 38-17 and OU is the only REAL team that you played this year (2 losses), the rest are over-rated fluff. Did you see the way your former opponent Illinois was manhandled by USC? Sorry, I don't believe you when you say you aren't bitter. Arkansas came into the Mizzou came underestimating us. They specifically said in every press conference that it would be a blow out because they were from the SEC - the toughest conference around. I guess that made no difference. Mizzou's strength of schedule was ranked as high as #4 (CBS Sportsline) and as low as #25 (Sagarin rankings). Arkansas' strength of schedule was as high as #63 (CBS Sportsline) and as Low as #74 for Sagarin rankings. I think it is pretty clear who played the tougher schedule (and who played a bunch of over rated fluff). The rankings don't lie. Mizzou played 3 top 10 teams and 6 top 30 teams. Arkansas played 1 top 10 team and 4 top 30 teams. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] stratified downdraft gasifier, a.k.a. a wood-gas generator
it was written Put one of these puppies in your trunk and you are set for the downfall of civilization! I'm already ready - I retried with full disability in Dec 99 - now I'm producing enough gas to fill the Hindenburg daily! ;-p Have a nice week - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] stratified downdraft gasifier, a.k.a. a wood-gas generator Put one of these puppies in your trunk and you are set for the downfall of civilization! And your requisite Bush-bash in there too! --R Nifty video of a home-built stratified downdraft gasifier, a.k.a. a wood-gas generator. Wood gasification was an important 19th century fuel technology, but was finally displaced by petroleum-based gas. Wood gas made something of a comeback during WWII, borne of necessity. It may come back again, after the apocalypse, when we need to try and outrun the Main Force Patrol on our way to Thunderdome. Just pray we can stoke enough chairlegs and clapboard to get us all the way to Bartertown. Gasifier Stove - Link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBsG32n_8oc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBsG32n_8oc ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Smart crash test
I followed one on the way to the lake a couple of summers back. I was going about 70 to 75 mph and it was ahead of me for a long way. She must have decided she was going too fast as she slowed and we then passed her. For a while I wondered what it was - really narrow and tall - thought it might have been one of those little Suzuki Wagons initially. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Smart crash test You wrote:Who in their right mind would take a SMART on the highway anyway Howdy -- If they sell them here some one will drive them on the interstates at max speed. Just like those Emergency spare tires that have Max Speed 45 MPH printed in the sidewall - people either can't read or choose to ignore those warnings. Everyday I see some nitwit driving a car packed with people and a Emergency spare tire at one corner going hell-for-leather and passing everything else on the road. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Smart crash test Who in their right mind would take a SMART on the highway anyway? If we get one it will be dedicated to commuting less than 6 miles each way, in urban traffic.. On Jan 5, 2008 9:33 PM, Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to Euro NCAP the smart did way better than a W202 http://www.euroncap.com/tests/smart_fortwo_2007/303.aspx http://www.euroncap.com/tests/smart_forfour_2005/224.aspx http://www.euroncap.com/tests/mercedes_benz_c_class_1997/18.aspx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These ones http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s and they are faster than a Farrari http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV1zQMcSsk0 Perhaps it's time to trade the C class in :-) No, not those ones, which are just stunts with no scientific value. I suggest you look at the Euro-NCAP offset crash tests published in the December 19 edition of Auto Motor und Sport in which the Mercedes W204, Renault Laguna, Chrysler Voyager, Fiat 500. Peugeot 308, Honda Civic hybrid, VW Tiguan, Peugeot 207 CC, VW Eos and Smart FORTWO try to move the barrier with their noses. The worst-in-test Chrysler Voyager's instrumented front seat passengers do badly. the Smart better with upper leg injuries in both seats and the Mercedes not quite as good as the Renault. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] stratified downdraft gasifier, a.k.a. a wood-gas generator
There are medications that can help with that. --R LarryT wrote: it was written Put one of these puppies in your trunk and you are set for the downfall of civilization! I'm already ready - I retried with full disability in Dec 99 - now I'm producing enough gas to fill the Hindenburg daily! ;-p Have a nice week - ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Smart crash test
We have lots for them running around town and on the highways here. They don't seem to have any problems keeping up with flow at 75 mph, and they don't seem to have any problems getting up to speed on the on ramps either. There is a dealer right next to the Benz showroom. I've had a look at them before but never driven one. Those who I've talked to say then feel and drive like a larger car. I look at that wheelbase and think they wouild be a little darty, but I'm told they're not. If I had one, I'm sure I'd take it on the highway and us it as a real car. It's not a GT car, but it keeps up fine in the real world. As for the videos of the car crashing almost head on into a barrier at 75 mph and then having the presenter saying, the car did ok , but most likely the ppl didn't, well, not sure how most would do if crashing a S class at the same speed and in the same way. 75 to 0 in a fraction of a second is a pretty good way to get dead in any car. Ed 300E On 07/01/2008, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I followed one on the way to the lake a couple of summers back. I was going about 70 to 75 mph and it was ahead of me for a long way. She must have decided she was going too fast as she slowed and we then passed her. For a while I wondered what it was - really narrow and tall - thought it might have been one of those little Suzuki Wagons initially. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Smart crash test You wrote:Who in their right mind would take a SMART on the highway anyway Howdy -- If they sell them here some one will drive them on the interstates at max speed. Just like those Emergency spare tires that have Max Speed 45 MPH printed in the sidewall - people either can't read or choose to ignore those warnings. Everyday I see some nitwit driving a car packed with people and a Emergency spare tire at one corner going hell-for-leather and passing everything else on the road. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Smart crash test Who in their right mind would take a SMART on the highway anyway? If we get one it will be dedicated to commuting less than 6 miles each way, in urban traffic.. On Jan 5, 2008 9:33 PM, Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to Euro NCAP the smart did way better than a W202 http://www.euroncap.com/tests/smart_fortwo_2007/303.aspx http://www.euroncap.com/tests/smart_forfour_2005/224.aspx http://www.euroncap.com/tests/mercedes_benz_c_class_1997/18.aspx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These ones http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s and they are faster than a Farrari http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV1zQMcSsk0 Perhaps it's time to trade the C class in :-) No, not those ones, which are just stunts with no scientific value. I suggest you look at the Euro-NCAP offset crash tests published in the December 19 edition of Auto Motor und Sport in which the Mercedes W204, Renault Laguna, Chrysler Voyager, Fiat 500. Peugeot 308, Honda Civic hybrid, VW Tiguan, Peugeot 207 CC, VW Eos and Smart FORTWO try to move the barrier with their noses. The worst-in-test Chrysler Voyager's instrumented front seat passengers do badly. the Smart better with upper leg injuries in both seats and the Mercedes not quite as good as the Renault. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___
Re: [MBZ] Smart crash test
Again...paying about $20K (if you shop around) to get much better fuel mileage, or keep the paid off car and live with 24mph... Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Smart crash test We have lots for them running around town and on the highways here. They don't seem to have any problems keeping up with flow at 75 mph, and they don't seem to have any problems getting up to speed on the on ramps either. There is a dealer right next to the Benz showroom. I've had a look at them before but never driven one. Those who I've talked to say then feel and drive like a larger car. I look at that wheelbase and think they wouild be a little darty, but I'm told they're not. If I had one, I'm sure I'd take it on the highway and us it as a real car. It's not a GT car, but it keeps up fine in the real world. As for the videos of the car crashing almost head on into a barrier at 75 mph and then having the presenter saying, the car did ok , but most likely the ppl didn't, well, not sure how most would do if crashing a S class at the same speed and in the same way. 75 to 0 in a fraction of a second is a pretty good way to get dead in any car. Ed 300E On 07/01/2008, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I followed one on the way to the lake a couple of summers back. I was going about 70 to 75 mph and it was ahead of me for a long way. She must have decided she was going too fast as she slowed and we then passed her. For a while I wondered what it was - really narrow and tall - thought it might have been one of those little Suzuki Wagons initially. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Smart crash test You wrote:Who in their right mind would take a SMART on the highway anyway Howdy -- If they sell them here some one will drive them on the interstates at max speed. Just like those Emergency spare tires that have Max Speed 45 MPH printed in the sidewall - people either can't read or choose to ignore those warnings. Everyday I see some nitwit driving a car packed with people and a Emergency spare tire at one corner going hell-for-leather and passing everything else on the road. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Smart crash test Who in their right mind would take a SMART on the highway anyway? If we get one it will be dedicated to commuting less than 6 miles each way, in urban traffic.. On Jan 5, 2008 9:33 PM, Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to Euro NCAP the smart did way better than a W202 http://www.euroncap.com/tests/smart_fortwo_2007/303.aspx http://www.euroncap.com/tests/smart_forfour_2005/224.aspx http://www.euroncap.com/tests/mercedes_benz_c_class_1997/18.aspx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These ones http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s and they are faster than a Farrari http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV1zQMcSsk0 Perhaps it's time to trade the C class in :-) No, not those ones, which are just stunts with no scientific value. I suggest you look at the Euro-NCAP offset crash tests published in the December 19 edition of Auto Motor und Sport in which the Mercedes W204, Renault Laguna, Chrysler Voyager, Fiat 500. Peugeot 308, Honda Civic hybrid, VW Tiguan, Peugeot 207 CC, VW Eos and Smart FORTWO try to move the barrier with their noses. The worst-in-test Chrysler Voyager's instrumented front seat passengers do badly. the Smart better with upper leg injuries in both seats and the Mercedes not quite as good as the Renault. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM
[MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out On Jan 7, 2008 2:37 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Gary Hurst wrote: i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out If you think home schooling is bad, try refusing to send your kid to the hospital when the paramedics don't find anything wrong with him after he falls and bumps his head in the driveway. http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59566 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
What are you going to do? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out On Jan 7, 2008 2:37 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
But are they signed up to home school is it through a state certified agency? Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out On Jan 7, 2008 2:37 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
you are confused because you suppose that the euros have a history of similar freedoms to those we once enjoyed here in the usa. countries such as germany have no tradition of individual liberty. consider for a moment that the most popular german leader of the last 100 years was hitler and you can get some kind of understanding. what is stunning is how we have allowed this continental tyranny to take hold in our nation. On Jan 7, 2008 2:11 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
mcguffey, dude, what else? i also signed her up for a canned program called time4learing.com, but mostly did that on price. On Jan 7, 2008 2:44 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are you going to do? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out On Jan 7, 2008 2:37 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
no. On Jan 7, 2008 2:51 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But are they signed up to home school is it through a state certified agency? Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out On Jan 7, 2008 2:37 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Oh yes...you said that before. Rock on! Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost mcguffey, dude, what else? i also signed her up for a canned program called time4learing.com, but mostly did that on price. On Jan 7, 2008 2:44 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are you going to do? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out On Jan 7, 2008 2:37 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Tom Hargrave wrote: Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. I think there should be accountability/basic regulations regarding homeschooling. I don't have anything against homeschooling... I just think that there should be some guarantee that you will actually teach them (and that they've learned something). The only way I see for that guarantee to happen is for the government to enforce it. It is unfortunate for the states who do not have the a parent organization for homeschooling though... John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Gary Hurst wrote: no. Do you have a plan for teaching her? Just curious, but why did you take her out? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
it has to beat being shown endless videos on martin luther king by semi-literates and then representing his struggle in various art projects, no? not that i don't admire mlk, particularly his handling of the white women, but there are limits. On Jan 7, 2008 2:57 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yes...you said that before. Rock on! Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost mcguffey, dude, what else? i also signed her up for a canned program called time4learing.com, but mostly did that on price. On Jan 7, 2008 2:44 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are you going to do? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out On Jan 7, 2008 2:37 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace woes
Well none of the electrical supply stores here will give me the time of day because I'm not in the electrical or HVAC trade. Guess it's internet time... Allan Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What would cause a shorted winding? Do they just happen sometimes? Heat, usually. If the motor has a starting winding and the starting switch fails it can cook it quickly. And, as has been pointed out, if it's a capacitor motor (-run and/or -start) the capacitor(s) are certainly potential culprits. -- Jim -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
by having the swat team kick down my door and force me to assume the position, pistol whipping me as they search for politically correct art projects? given their dismal failure, shouldn't you be more concerned about some sort of accountability regarding public schooling? On Jan 7, 2008 3:05 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Hargrave wrote: Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. I think there should be accountability/basic regulations regarding homeschooling. I don't have anything against homeschooling... I just think that there should be some guarantee that you will actually teach them (and that they've learned something). The only way I see for that guarantee to happen is for the government to enforce it. It is unfortunate for the states who do not have the a parent organization for homeschooling though... John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
frustration with lack of progress in skill set development and extraordinary low expectations in this regard by the school. high expectations for conformity and low expectations for skills just have it backwards as far as we can see. On Jan 7, 2008 3:06 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: no. Do you have a plan for teaching her? Just curious, but why did you take her out? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace woes
Allan Streib wrote: Well none of the electrical supply stores here will give me the time of day because I'm not in the electrical or HVAC trade. Guess it's internet time... www.hvac-talk.com FWIW, the **HATE** DIY folks, but you can probably search and piece together enough info to help. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Just claim it's for religious reasons and they'll leave you alone... Dan --- John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: no. Do you have a plan for teaching her? Just curious, but why did you take her out? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Hire your new friends from the 'hood as body guards. On Jan 7, 2008 2:10 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by having the swat team kick down my door and force me to assume the position, pistol whipping me as they search for politically correct art projects? -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
not sure anarchist libertarian pacifist quite constitutes a religion. but your point is well taken. probably behooves us to join some sort of fundamentalist christian homeschooling organization for protection against vindictive action from government thugs. On Jan 7, 2008 3:20 PM, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just claim it's for religious reasons and they'll leave you alone... Dan --- John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: no. Do you have a plan for teaching her? Just curious, but why did you take her out? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom My first pass reading that I thought you were saying the reason home schooling is legal because there are some states that that have fought off 'big brother'. This is not correct. But then I read through it again and realized that it could be read a different way. in some states, home schooling is only allowed if the home schoolers are a part of 'big brother's' network. Which is correct. The English language - especially the North American version - can be so obtuse... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Yah, right - try that in Alabama without signing up to a big brother approved Christian homeschool organization DHR will be by to pick up the kids after a 6 week investigation. Anyone who really knows better will tell you that the state considers your children property of the state. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 3:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost Just claim it's for religious reasons and they'll leave you alone... Dan --- John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: no. Do you have a plan for teaching her? Just curious, but why did you take her out? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
the track record of fighting the man in the hood is less than exemplary. mostly they just end up in jail or dead as a result of their disagreements with the law. interestingly, they have a 2 acre backyard behind the family compound house. the house is interesting as it started as a small house and amateur extensions are put on it as the need arises, so now it is more like a giant railroad flat rather than the ranch house it started life as. the mother has actually been offered insane amounts of money for the property by developers who would put up cheap easy financing town houses, but she won't sell. she says it is her neighborhood and she likes it the way it is. my prediction is that it becomes 40 townwhouses from 110k within six months after her demise On Jan 7, 2008 3:21 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hire your new friends from the 'hood as body guards. On Jan 7, 2008 2:10 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by having the swat team kick down my door and force me to assume the position, pistol whipping me as they search for politically correct art projects? -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Correct. - Original Message - From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 3:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom My first pass reading that I thought you were saying the reason home schooling is legal because there are some states that that have fought off 'big brother'. This is not correct. But then I read through it again and realized that it could be read a different way. in some states, home schooling is only allowed if the home schoolers are a part of 'big brother's' network. Which is correct. The English language - especially the North American version - can be so obtuse... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
i try to explain that to my kid all the time, how she really must be cautious because she has less rights than her dogs in the country and can be victimized by the state at their amusement. she doesn't believe me, as 10 year olds can't really grasp that the authorities have embraced evil and make uncontested war on the people. On Jan 7, 2008 3:30 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yah, right - try that in Alabama without signing up to a big brother approved Christian homeschool organization DHR will be by to pick up the kids after a 6 week investigation. Anyone who really knows better will tell you that the state considers your children property of the state. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 3:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost Just claim it's for religious reasons and they'll leave you alone... Dan --- John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: no. Do you have a plan for teaching her? Just curious, but why did you take her out? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
That's because the state considers your children property of the state you are responsible for taking care of them. Don't take care of them to the state's minimum standards (refuse to send your kid to the hospital when the paramedics don't find anything wrong with him after he falls and bumps his head in the driveway) and you'll discover how fast the state will step in to protect their property. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost Gary Hurst wrote: i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out If you think home schooling is bad, try refusing to send your kid to the hospital when the paramedics don't find anything wrong with him after he falls and bumps his head in the driveway. http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59566 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] PHX CL Einstein
I don't know what to say. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/530780934.html Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Biofuels
lot's of instances of if and may in the preceding statement... the issues related to irresponsible production aren't new or unexpected, just more examples of what we've seen throughout the ages; when greed is involved, there's a way to screw almost anything up. while BioFuels as we know them today aren't likely to be the end-all answer, properly manged, they're a far sight better than relying on non-renewable imported fuel sources, and a good step towards an improved situation over what we have today. cheers! e '85 300D (166K miles; 40K+ miles running on BioD made from used oil) archer wrote: For biofuels, it's been an explosive ride. Once touted as a climate friendly substitute for cars running on gasoline and diesel, they have fallen out of favor after amid reports that many of these fuels contribute to the pollution problems that they are meant to solve. The latest broadside against biofuels is from the Smithsonian Tropical Research Institute. Scientists there say that biofuels may not be superior if their production results in environmental destruction, pollution and damage to human health. The Smithsonian cites a Swiss study showing that fuels made from U.S. corn, Brazilian soy and Malaysian palm oil may even be worse overall than fossil fuels. The best alternatives, according to the Swiss study, include biofuels from residual products, such as recycled cooking oil and ethanol from grass or wood. Even so, the scientists think that biofuels may still have a future: Different biofuels vary enormously in how eco-friendly they are, said William Laurance, a staff scientist at the Smithsonian Tropical Research Institute. We need to be smart and promote the right biofuels. The question is, are big promoters of biofuels like Brazil, Malaysia, the United States and the European Union going to heed that advice? http://blogs.iht.com/tribtalk/business/green/?p=132 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
have you ever spoken to any products of the foster car system? they are routinely abused, neglected and even sexually molested while in state care. protecting their property doesn't even seem to exist beyond pretext. there seems nothing here beyond state sponsored terrorism and profiteering. people such as mrs clinton worry me as they seem to prefer more of this rather than less of this. although i can't really support any political candidate as i'm looking for one that will offer me nothing and ask me for nothing. On Jan 7, 2008 3:44 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's because the state considers your children property of the state you are responsible for taking care of them. Don't take care of them to the state's minimum standards (refuse to send your kid to the hospital when the paramedics don't find anything wrong with him after he falls and bumps his head in the driveway) and you'll discover how fast the state will step in to protect their property. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost Gary Hurst wrote: i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out If you think home schooling is bad, try refusing to send your kid to the hospital when the paramedics don't find anything wrong with him after he falls and bumps his head in the driveway. http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59566 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Gary Hurst wrote: frustration with lack of progress in skill set development and extraordinary low expectations in this regard by the school. high expectations for conformity and low expectations for skills just have it backwards as far as we can see. Hey, you're right in the heart of New Soviet Georgia. Where the only thing that matters is making sure the kid faces felony charges because his mom saw an auto safety special on TV and put Swiss Army knives in the family cars in case somebody needed to cut a seat belt. It doesn't even matter that the law he was charged under specifies an allowable blade length and the knife in question was smaller than the limit. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/14043836/detail.html Florida is slightly better, they dropped the felony charges against the fifth grader whose mother packed a knife and fork in her lunch. http://www.ocala.com/article/20071221/NEWS/394926456/1340/NEWS http://www.examiner.com/a-1124288~Charges_dropped_against_girl_who_brought_steak_knife_to_school.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PHX CL Einstein
Probably a product of public schools. Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know what to say. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/530780934.html Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Smarts On The Freeway
A work colleague of mine had one of the early Smart cars here in the UK He used to drive the 40 or so miles from Bristol to Swindon and back each day on the freeway - used to get blown all over the place when passing, or being passed by, trucks I used to get that back in the 70's when I was a Beetle nut ! Howard Fulford Bath England '89 190E 2.0 l 5 speed manual 168977 miles 168595 miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace woes
Grainger.com seems to have a lot of electrical motors... John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Allan Streib wrote: Well none of the electrical supply stores here will give me the time of day because I'm not in the electrical or HVAC trade. Guess it's internet time... www.hvac-talk.com FWIW, the **HATE** DIY folks, but you can probably search and piece together enough info to help. John -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
you are trying to make me even more depressed than i already am, huh? it is stunning that the government is absolutely powerless to fight any real crime and the police simply will not protect and serve, but they have resources for all of this nonsense you have been showing us. what can one conclude? that the government is absolutely stupid and incompetent? that they know exactly what they are doing, which is waging a terror campaign to keep the citizenry in line? in any case, why do we want to keep these people and organizations in existence? On Jan 7, 2008 4:01 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: frustration with lack of progress in skill set development and extraordinary low expectations in this regard by the school. high expectations for conformity and low expectations for skills just have it backwards as far as we can see. Hey, you're right in the heart of New Soviet Georgia. Where the only thing that matters is making sure the kid faces felony charges because his mom saw an auto safety special on TV and put Swiss Army knives in the family cars in case somebody needed to cut a seat belt. It doesn't even matter that the law he was charged under specifies an allowable blade length and the knife in question was smaller than the limit. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/14043836/detail.html Florida is slightly better, they dropped the felony charges against the fifth grader whose mother packed a knife and fork in her lunch. http://www.ocala.com/article/20071221/NEWS/394926456/1340/NEWS http://www.examiner.com/a-1124288~Charges_dropped_against_girl_who_brought_steak_knife_to_school.htmlhttp://www.examiner.com/a-1124288%7ECharges_dropped_against_girl_who_brought_steak_knife_to_school.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 123 GASSER INFO NEEDED
Folks: Anyone have any info on the 123 230 gassers? Were they imported, or are they by definition grey market? Is the 230 a good mill? Reliable? Good FI system? Adequate power and economy? (numbers would be nice here) Parts available (RUSTY?) and easy to work on? Any known weaknesses of this mill? I assume all the rest is the same as the diesel 123s, including, including the trans. My wife wants a Mercedes, too, now. Smaller than my SD, and gas, as she only putts around town. This seems to be the best option. Doesn't need a six or want a sixes fuel mileage, and I don't want to deal with the legendary 115 blower motor fiasco. Thanks in Advance. Also, if anyone knows of one FS reasonable, or where I might find one, would love to hear about it. Dan 82 300SD, 299k ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 GASSER INFO NEEDED
The 230 is a grey market car. The few I looked at had Stromberg side draft carburetors. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 4:09 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] 123 GASSER INFO NEEDED Folks: Anyone have any info on the 123 230 gassers? Were they imported, or are they by definition grey market? Is the 230 a good mill? Reliable? Good FI system? Adequate power and economy? (numbers would be nice here) Parts available (RUSTY?) and easy to work on? Any known weaknesses of this mill? I assume all the rest is the same as the diesel 123s, including, including the trans. My wife wants a Mercedes, too, now. Smaller than my SD, and gas, as she only putts around town. This seems to be the best option. Doesn't need a six or want a sixes fuel mileage, and I don't want to deal with the legendary 115 blower motor fiasco. Thanks in Advance. Also, if anyone knows of one FS reasonable, or where I might find one, would love to hear about it. Dan 82 300SD, 299k ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Unfortunately, I've been involved with the system. We took temporary custody of a Niece while her Mother got her drug filled life in order. I learned through the process how much the State really can do. DHR was has a court order in hand to remove her from the house she was living in threatened to take legal action if we did not step in become responsible Aunt Uncle. It was a very expensive and failed experiment. It's 4 years later and the Niece is 17 years old, now lives with her (much older) drug dealing Boyfriend the Mother is back on Crystal Methe. At least She is not pregnant (yet). Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 3:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost have you ever spoken to any products of the foster car system? they are routinely abused, neglected and even sexually molested while in state care. protecting their property doesn't even seem to exist beyond pretext. there seems nothing here beyond state sponsored terrorism and profiteering. people such as mrs clinton worry me as they seem to prefer more of this rather than less of this. although i can't really support any political candidate as i'm looking for one that will offer me nothing and ask me for nothing. On Jan 7, 2008 3:44 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's because the state considers your children property of the state you are responsible for taking care of them. Don't take care of them to the state's minimum standards (refuse to send your kid to the hospital when the paramedics don't find anything wrong with him after he falls and bumps his head in the driveway) and you'll discover how fast the state will step in to protect their property. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost Gary Hurst wrote: i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out If you think home schooling is bad, try refusing to send your kid to the hospital when the paramedics don't find anything wrong with him after he falls and bumps his head in the driveway. http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59566 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Howdy, I guess Va is one of the few states that allow homeschooling and accomodates those wishing to do so to make things as easy as possible. My daughter decided to homeschool our g-son when he was to enter the 1st grade - luckily the state doesn't get in the way of those wishing to home school and my daughter is fully qualified to teach him. He's 10 now and scores in the highest areas of the stesting standards - mid to upper 90's - as well as being very well rounded. He plays soccer, golf and baseball on every Saturday as well as taking a Drama class as well as a music class. It is unconscionable that Germany would treat parents in such a manner. It seems as though the Nazi's are still in control. The article mentioned the Nazi era law mandating public schooling -- I would have thought all the nazi laws would have been rescinded following the defeat of those monsters. Evidently not. The logic of making everyone fit into the same mold escapes me. It's kind of surprising to see the UN standing on the proper side of this issue. It doesn't happen often - but the German Gov't needs to be brought into the 20th century -- then into the 21st Century once they acclimate to the 20th. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PHX CL Einstein
On Jan 7, 2008 12:48 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/530780934.html The ad says new tires... he's just trying to give you a good luck at them! Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
IIRC, our g-son must be tested every 3-5 years to insure he is receiving an appropriate education.I believe he's already had one series of tests and scored very high. I mentioned mid 90% in my previous email - I believe that's the tests where he scored so highly. My wife keeps track of all that and she;s not home at the moment -- will ask when she returns - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost Tom Hargrave wrote: Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. I think there should be accountability/basic regulations regarding homeschooling. I don't have anything against homeschooling... I just think that there should be some guarantee that you will actually teach them (and that they've learned something). The only way I see for that guarantee to happen is for the government to enforce it. It is unfortunate for the states who do not have the a parent organization for homeschooling though... John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
HE just had winning bid on the old powerbook I had on eBay. I think he is going to put her to work rebuilding laptops and then selling them on craigslist. clay On 7 Jan 2008, at 11:58, Gary Hurst wrote: mcguffey, dude, what else? i also signed her up for a canned program called time4learing.com, but mostly did that on price. On Jan 7, 2008 2:44 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are you going to do? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out On Jan 7, 2008 2:37 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch, Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only legal in some states because of a support network that has been approved by big brother. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like the East German government is the surviving entity here: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59536 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
I am not at all sure home schooling is good for most kids. The BiL who lives in the boonies of NC is going to school his kids. Their oldest is seven and has the diction of a three year old. Not sure he has a grasp of basic second grade math or reading either. Then again, I am comparing his slag child to my kid and it seems that either my kid is sporting an IQ of 220 or his kid is just plain retarded. clay On 7 Jan 2008, at 12:05, John Robbins wrote: Tom Hargrave wrote: Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. I think there should be accountability/basic regulations regarding homeschooling. I don't have anything against homeschooling... I just think that there should be some guarantee that you will actually teach them (and that they've learned something). The only way I see for that guarantee to happen is for the government to enforce it. It is unfortunate for the states who do not have the a parent organization for homeschooling though... John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
I disagree with that, you are forgetting about Martin Luther who stood up to the Catholic church and won. It can be argued that his actions inspired others to stand up for their rights and may well have influenced your founding fathers and their view of liberty. Also I think to say that Hitler was the most popular leader in the last 100 years is somewhat misleading, considering the circumstances. Gary Hurst wrote: you are confused because you suppose that the euros have a history of similar freedoms to those we once enjoyed here in the usa. countries such as germany have no tradition of individual liberty. consider for a moment that the most popular german leader of the last 100 years was hitler and you can get some kind of understanding. what is stunning is how we have allowed this continental tyranny to take hold in our nation. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 GASSER INFO NEEDED
Gutless but reliable. Came in 230.4 or 230.6 version, neither are any good compared to the 230E or 280E. The 230.6 drinking as much juice as the 280E and having 50% less power. Your best bet for a putt putt is a 190E, very nice ladies car. Best that she has a drive of a 123 chassis and a 201 chassis to compare. Dan Weeks wrote: Folks: Anyone have any info on the 123 230 gassers? Were they imported, or are they by definition grey market? Is the 230 a good mill? Reliable? Good FI system? Adequate power and economy? (numbers would be nice here) Parts available (RUSTY?) and easy to work on? Any known weaknesses of this mill? I assume all the rest is the same as the diesel 123s, including, including the trans. My wife wants a Mercedes, too, now. Smaller than my SD, and gas, as she only putts around town. This seems to be the best option. Doesn't need a six or want a sixes fuel mileage, and I don't want to deal with the legendary 115 blower motor fiasco. Thanks in Advance. Also, if anyone knows of one FS reasonable, or where I might find one, would love to hear about it. Dan 82 300SD, 299k ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 GASSER INFO NEEDED
Umnh sorry slight mistake, I think the 230.6 was dropped for the 123 and replaced with the 250. Hendrik Fay wrote: Gutless but reliable. Came in 230.4 or 230.6 version, neither are any good compared to the 230E or 280E. The 230.6 drinking as much juice as the 280E and having 50% less power. Your best bet for a putt putt is a 190E, very nice ladies car. Best that she has a drive of a 123 chassis and a 201 chassis to compare. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 GASSER INFO NEEDED
Dan Weeks wrote: Folks: Anyone have any info on the 123 230 gassers? Were they imported, or are they by definition grey market? Is the 230 a good mill? Reliable? Good FI system? Adequate power and economy? (numbers would be nice here) Parts available (RUSTY?) and easy to work on? Any known weaknesses of this mill? There were a very few 230s imported by MBNA in the '70s; they are very rare. Imagine the performance of an NA 300D with none of the advantages of a 300D. The M115 cylinder head likes to do the OM603. I'd keep looking. If the car is a 230E, it would have an M102 (a la the 190E) and is a fabulous car. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PHX CL Einstein
It's pinin for Der Vaterland --R Robert Rentfro wrote: I don't know what to say. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/530780934.html Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Part I: The Price of Biofuels
Technolgy Review is sorta an MIT publication, generally fairly accurate on tech issues but does have a Cambridge orientation to it, so set your BS meter appropriately. Making ethanol from corn is expensive. Better biofuels are years away from the gas tank. But do we really have any alternative? http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/19924/ --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
No, what is stunning is how long it's taken to revert back to having to have someone tell you what to do - like the rest of the world. what is stunning is how we have allowed this continental tyranny to take hold in our nation. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
It's your responsibility to see that she learns something - in school or at home. She'll learn to deal with the other people on the planet at school - something that you'll have a hard time teaching her at home. given their dismal failure, shouldn't you be more concerned about some sort of accountability regarding public schooling? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
They aren't much different than the government in that regard. probably behooves us to join some sort of fundamentalist christian homeschooling organization for protection against vindictive action from government thugs. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
OK Don wrote: She'll learn to deal with the other people on the planet at school - something that you'll have a hard time teaching her at home. These days, it seems like they will train her to be a good slave if he lets the public school system get their hooks in her much farther. Hitler was way ahead of his time, made quite a point of indoctrinating Germany's youth. Now that we have defeated Nazism, and finally Communism, we're using the schools to communize our kids. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Same treatment from the religious run foster care system - it's a matter of what are you going to do with the kids abandoned by miscreant parents? On Jan 7, 2008 2:52 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have you ever spoken to any products of the foster car system? they are routinely abused, neglected and even sexually molested while in state care. protecting their property doesn't even seem to exist beyond pretext. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
The fundamentalists are much different than the government. I should know -- that is how I was reared. The government can say do it my way or to jail you go. The fundamentalists exhibit the same need for control, except they threaten you with everlasting punishment in hell instead of a brief time in jail. It all comes down to emotional blackmail, no matter how you slice it. On 1/7/08, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They aren't much different than the government in that regard. probably behooves us to join some sort of fundamentalist christian homeschooling organization for protection against vindictive action from government thugs. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
the degree of personal liberty under hitler was pretty good compared to ours in some areas. our government freaks would make old dolf blush. On Jan 7, 2008 8:45 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Don wrote: She'll learn to deal with the other people on the planet at school - something that you'll have a hard time teaching her at home. These days, it seems like they will train her to be a good slave if he lets the public school system get their hooks in her much farther. Hitler was way ahead of his time, made quite a point of indoctrinating Germany's youth. Now that we have defeated Nazism, and finally Communism, we're using the schools to communize our kids. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
My four kids went through the worst grade and middle schools in town, and ended up at NYU, Yale, and OU with scholarships. You are responsible for what they learn, not the school. On Jan 7, 2008 7:45 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Don wrote: She'll learn to deal with the other people on the planet at school - something that you'll have a hard time teaching her at home. These days, it seems like they will train her to be a good slave if he lets the public school system get their hooks in her much farther. Hitler was way ahead of his time, made quite a point of indoctrinating Germany's youth. Now that we have defeated Nazism, and finally Communism, we're using the schools to communize our kids. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
what about the kids that are kidnapped and farmed out to abusive foster homes by their friends in the government (i would presume that these government agents get some kind of kickback, but don't know how the details work)? On Jan 7, 2008 8:47 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same treatment from the religious run foster care system - it's a matter of what are you going to do with the kids abandoned by miscreant parents? On Jan 7, 2008 2:52 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have you ever spoken to any products of the foster car system? they are routinely abused, neglected and even sexually molested while in state care. protecting their property doesn't even seem to exist beyond pretext. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
i'm not saying that i support the fundamentalists, just that i might need their protection. On Jan 7, 2008 8:49 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fundamentalists are much different than the government. I should know -- that is how I was reared. The government can say do it my way or to jail you go. The fundamentalists exhibit the same need for control, except they threaten you with everlasting punishment in hell instead of a brief time in jail. It all comes down to emotional blackmail, no matter how you slice it. On 1/7/08, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They aren't much different than the government in that regard. probably behooves us to join some sort of fundamentalist christian homeschooling organization for protection against vindictive action from government thugs. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fuel economy report
The '90 300D 2.5 got 37.4 mpg on the 1007 mile round trip to Houston with local running around there and a trip to work today. The 300SDL got 25 MPG on the trip down (it's there for the duration of the internship). That's approximately 4 gallons per 100 miles for the 603 and 3gallons per 100 miles for the 602. I'm liking the 300D 2.5 better all the time. Might have to sell the other three and find another 300D 2.5. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
again, they need to get their own house in order . i would bet anything that the home schoolers utterly destroy the government schoolers on these tests. why aren't the child welfare agencies dragging teachers and principals off to jail? oh, yeah, cause it's a racket! On Jan 7, 2008 6:01 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIRC, our g-son must be tested every 3-5 years to insure he is receiving an appropriate education.I believe he's already had one series of tests and scored very high. I mentioned mid 90% in my previous email - I believe that's the tests where he scored so highly. My wife keeps track of all that and she;s not home at the moment -- will ask when she returns - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost Tom Hargrave wrote: Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling them in a Government approved private school system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you don't have. I think there should be accountability/basic regulations regarding homeschooling. I don't have anything against homeschooling... I just think that there should be some guarantee that you will actually teach them (and that they've learned something). The only way I see for that guarantee to happen is for the government to enforce it. It is unfortunate for the states who do not have the a parent organization for homeschooling though... John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Kidnapped Have you seen how bad it has to get before the kids are removed from a home? That's the LAST resort. Wittness the LACK of response to the ealrier reports to child wlefare about Kaleb's new kids. Follow a child welfare worker around for a few days - it'll open your eyes. We don't pay enough for a foster family to take proper care of kids, can't find enough homes for the kids that need them. So you get what you pay for - those who do take them have other motives than the kids best welfare in mind. On Jan 7, 2008 7:58 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what about the kids that are kidnapped and farmed out to abusive foster homes by their friends in the government (i would presume that these government agents get some kind of kickback, but don't know how the details work)? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Those fundamentalists will feel the need, no calling, to beat the devil out of the likes of you On Jan 7, 2008 7:59 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm not saying that i support the fundamentalists, just that i might need their protection. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 Gasser info needed
Thanks Tom, Hendrik, and Tom, for your replies. Looks like it's best to avoid unless its a 230E. I'll restrict my search to that criteria. I agree the 190 would be perfect for my wife, who is rather petite. However, she was involved in a terrible accident in a civic once that had her sleeping on a board and in physical therapy for 6 months after being hit so hard by a drunk that it knocked the earings out of her pierced ears. She wants something more substantial feeling, whether or not the 201 is statistically safer than a 123.. She also likes the classic square vintage mbz look, and thinks the newer ones are far too generic. And she doesn't want a diesel for her own car, and frankly, as many short trips as she drives, a diesel doesn't make a lot of sense for her. Thanks again, all. I'll let you know what turns up. Meanwhile, if anyone has anything else to offer--a 115 with a known good blower motor, for instance, or a finny in great shape for cheap, let me know! :-) Dan On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Send Mercedes mailing list submissions to mercedes@okiebenz.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Mercedes digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost (Tom Hargrave) 2. Re: 123 GASSER INFO NEEDED (Tom Hargrave) 3. Re: OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost (LarryT) 4. Re: PHX CL Einstein (Alex Chamberlain) 5. Re: OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost (LarryT) 6. Re: OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost (Redghost) 7. Re: OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost (Redghost) 8. Re: OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost (Hendrik Fay) 9. Re: 123 GASSER INFO NEEDED (Hendrik Fay) 10. Re: 123 GASSER INFO NEEDED (Hendrik Fay) 11. Re: 123 GASSER INFO NEEDED (tom savage) 12. Re: PHX CL Einstein (Rich Thomas) 13. Part I: The Price of Biofuels (Rich Thomas) 14. Re: OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost (OK Don) 15. Re: OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost (OK Don) 16. Re: OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost (OK Don) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:49:21 -0600 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Unfortunately, I've been involved with the system. We took temporary custody of a Niece while her Mother got her drug filled life in order. I learned through the process how much the State really can do. DHR was has a court order in hand to remove her from the house she was living in threatened to take legal action if we did not step in become responsible Aunt Uncle. It was a very expensive and failed experiment. It's 4 years later and the Niece is 17 years old, now lives with her (much older) drug dealing Boyfriend the Mother is back on Crystal Methe. At least She is not pregnant (yet). Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 3:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost have you ever spoken to any products of the foster car system? they are routinely abused, neglected and even sexually molested while in state care. protecting their property doesn't even seem to exist beyond pretext. there seems nothing here beyond state sponsored terrorism and profiteering. people such as mrs clinton worry me as they seem to prefer more of this rather than less of this. although i can't really support any political candidate as i'm looking for one that will offer me nothing and ask me for nothing. On Jan 7, 2008 3:44 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's because the state considers your children property of the state you are responsible for taking care of them. Don't take care of them to the state's minimum standards (refuse to send your kid to the hospital when the paramedics don't find anything wrong with him after he falls and bumps his head in the driveway) and you'll discover how fast the state will step in to protect their property. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 2:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ]
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 26, Issue 53
On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Weeks wrote: Folks: Anyone have any info on the 123 230 gassers? Were they imported, or are they by definition grey market? Is the 230 a good mill? Reliable? Good FI system? Adequate power and economy? (numbers would be nice here) Parts available (RUSTY?) and easy to work on? Any known weaknesses of this mill? There were a very few 230s imported by MBNA in the '70s; they are very rare. Imagine the performance of an NA 300D with none of the advantages of a 300D. The M115 cylinder head likes to do the OM603. I'd keep looking. If the car is a 230E, it would have an M102 (a la the 190E) and is a fabulous car. Tom I see from Wikipedia that the M102 (the 230E) was available in the 123 from 1980-1985. The car I was looking at was a '78. Good to know to stay away. Anyone know of a 230E FS? Kaleb? Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
google georgia dfcs and you will have enough kidnap stories to fill a book. children are kidnapped for reasons such as there were scissors in the house. we have a customer at bimby who drives an S600 from being a professional foster parent. tom, who works at bimby, has personal knowledge of such kidnappings for profit from his days working retail, where many of his employees had second incomes from keeping a kid or two locked obtained by predatory means in the closet when they went to work. what's next for you to say? that we are in iraq to save the world from terrorism? child welfare worker, right. insult someone elses intelligence On Jan 7, 2008 9:05 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kidnapped Have you seen how bad it has to get before the kids are removed from a home? That's the LAST resort. Wittness the LACK of response to the ealrier reports to child wlefare about Kaleb's new kids. Follow a child welfare worker around for a few days - it'll open your eyes. We don't pay enough for a foster family to take proper care of kids, can't find enough homes for the kids that need them. So you get what you pay for - those who do take them have other motives than the kids best welfare in mind. On Jan 7, 2008 7:58 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what about the kids that are kidnapped and farmed out to abusive foster homes by their friends in the government (i would presume that these government agents get some kind of kickback, but don't know how the details work)? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 Gasser info needed
Dan Weeks wrote: her pierced ears. She wants something more substantial feeling, whether or not the 201 is statistically safer than a 123.. Dan, Dan, you've been around too long to quote an entire digest. 450SLC are going pretty cheap these days, if she drives so little that 12 mpg won't bother her. Old SLs aren't all that expensive either, and a lot of them spent most winters indoors. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
OK Don wrote: My four kids went through the worst grade and middle schools in town, and ended up at NYU, Yale, and OU with scholarships. You are responsible for what they learn, not the school. Admission to Yale is not proof that your kids were not exposed to socialist indoctrination. In fact, a large dose of neocommunist leanings probably makes advancement easier in the ivy leagues. (not saying your kids believe in that stuff, but I can guarantee it was preached to them) Here in the Big 10, activism in 'progressive social causes' is a literal requirement for graduation with a degree in education. Those are the people who end up teaching our kids. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
I agree with Don. Child Services (DHR in Alabama) is the most over worked government organization in any state. The problem is that the workers have to obtain unrefutable evidence then they have to present the evidence to a Judge the judge has to issue a court order to have the child or children removed. All of this is necessary because of our lawsuit happy society. The Chld Services workers have to protect themselves from being sued by the parents of the children they are trying to protect. Based on Kaleb's his Wive's comments on the kid's overall condition, Kaleb's new family are a likely good example of the system failing. It's possible that the family had been investigated but Child Services could not put together enough evidence to convince a judge to issue a court order. But it's just as likely that they were never investigated because of the work load most Child Services must carry. My Niece was removed from her Mother 4 years too late - She was 13 years old. Kaleb's new family are younger and they have a chance to make a difference. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 9:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost google georgia dfcs and you will have enough kidnap stories to fill a book. children are kidnapped for reasons such as there were scissors in the house. we have a customer at bimby who drives an S600 from being a professional foster parent. tom, who works at bimby, has personal knowledge of such kidnappings for profit from his days working retail, where many of his employees had second incomes from keeping a kid or two locked obtained by predatory means in the closet when they went to work. what's next for you to say? that we are in iraq to save the world from terrorism? child welfare worker, right. insult someone elses intelligence On Jan 7, 2008 9:05 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kidnapped Have you seen how bad it has to get before the kids are removed from a home? That's the LAST resort. Wittness the LACK of response to the ealrier reports to child wlefare about Kaleb's new kids. Follow a child welfare worker around for a few days - it'll open your eyes. We don't pay enough for a foster family to take proper care of kids, can't find enough homes for the kids that need them. So you get what you pay for - those who do take them have other motives than the kids best welfare in mind. On Jan 7, 2008 7:58 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what about the kids that are kidnapped and farmed out to abusive foster homes by their friends in the government (i would presume that these government agents get some kind of kickback, but don't know how the details work)? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 Gasser info needed
I believe that the best mercedes gasser is a late 80's / early 90's 300E. Find one in good shape it will go many miles. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 9:07 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Gasser info needed Thanks Tom, Hendrik, and Tom, for your replies. Looks like it's best to avoid unless its a 230E. I'll restrict my search to that criteria. I agree the 190 would be perfect for my wife, who is rather petite. However, she was involved in a terrible accident in a civic once that had her sleeping on a board and in physical therapy for 6 months after being hit so hard by a drunk that it knocked the earings out of her pierced ears. She wants something more substantial feeling, whether or not the 201 is statistically safer than a 123.. She also likes the classic square vintage mbz look, and thinks the newer ones are far too generic. And she doesn't want a diesel for her own car, and frankly, as many short trips as she drives, a diesel doesn't make a lot of sense for her. Thanks again, all. I'll let you know what turns up. Meanwhile, if anyone has anything else to offer--a 115 with a known good blower motor, for instance, or a finny in great shape for cheap, let me know! :-) Dan On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Send Mercedes mailing list submissions to mercedes@okiebenz.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Mercedes digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost (Tom Hargrave) 2. Re: 123 GASSER INFO NEEDED (Tom Hargrave) 3. Re: OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost (LarryT) 4. Re: PHX CL Einstein (Alex Chamberlain) 5. Re: OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost (LarryT) 6. Re: OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost (Redghost) 7. Re: OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost (Redghost) 8. Re: OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost (Hendrik Fay) 9. Re: 123 GASSER INFO NEEDED (Hendrik Fay) 10. Re: 123 GASSER INFO NEEDED (Hendrik Fay) 11. Re: 123 GASSER INFO NEEDED (tom savage) 12. Re: PHX CL Einstein (Rich Thomas) 13. Part I: The Price of Biofuels (Rich Thomas) 14. Re: OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost (OK Don) 15. Re: OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost (OK Don) 16. Re: OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost (OK Don) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:49:21 -0600 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Unfortunately, I've been involved with the system. We took temporary custody of a Niece while her Mother got her drug filled life in order. I learned through the process how much the State really can do. DHR was has a court order in hand to remove her from the house she was living in threatened to take legal action if we did not step in become responsible Aunt Uncle. It was a very expensive and failed experiment. It's 4 years later and the Niece is 17 years old, now lives with her (much older) drug dealing Boyfriend the Mother is back on Crystal Methe. At least She is not pregnant (yet). Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 3:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost have you ever spoken to any products of the foster car system? they are routinely abused, neglected and even sexually molested while in state care. protecting their property doesn't even seem to exist beyond pretext. there seems nothing here beyond state sponsored terrorism and profiteering. people such as mrs clinton worry me as they seem to prefer more of this rather than less of this. although i can't really support any political candidate as i'm looking for one that will offer me nothing and ask me for nothing. On Jan 7, 2008 3:44 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's because the state considers your children property of the state you are responsible for taking care of them. Don't take care of them to the state's minimum standards (refuse to send your kid to the hospital when the paramedics don't find anything wrong with him after he falls and bumps his
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
I can pretty well guarantee that's there's not much socialist leaning going on in Oklahoma --- They were exposed to far more religious far right leanings than I perfered. Admission to Yale is not proof that your kids were not exposed to socialist indoctrination. In fact, a large dose of neocommunist leanings probably makes advancement easier in the ivy leagues. (not saying your kids believe in that stuff, but I can guarantee it was preached to them) Here in the Big 10, activism in 'progressive social causes' is a literal requirement for graduation with a degree in education. Those are the people who end up teaching our kids. Mitch. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 Gasser info needed
Not to put a damper on things, but despite its size the W201 is a much safer car than a W123. The W123 was the last MB that was not specifically designed for offset frontal impact (that started with the 126 and 201). The 123 also doesn't have seatbelt pre-tensioners, airbags, or ABS. And you can forget the 115. Those cars predate the construction of MB's crash engineering facility (1968), so a lot of the safety engineering was done under pretty primitive conditions. Your best bet might be a W124. The size feels like a W123 but the crash performance is as good as a W126. Of course, compared to an '85 Civic, any MB would serve you well. But you have to remember that your survival is mostly determined by the design of the thing you run into. Here's an illustration of what happens to a safe big old car that hits a safe small new car: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3ygYUYia9I D. Dan Weeks wrote: Thanks Tom, Hendrik, and Tom, for your replies. Looks like it's best to avoid unless its a 230E. I'll restrict my search to that criteria. I agree the 190 would be perfect for my wife, who is rather petite. However, she was involved in a terrible accident in a civic once that had her sleeping on a board and in physical therapy for 6 months after being hit so hard by a drunk that it knocked the earings out of her pierced ears. She wants something more substantial feeling, whether or not the 201 is statistically safer than a 123.. She also likes the classic square vintage mbz look, and thinks the newer ones are far too generic. And she doesn't want a diesel for her own car, and frankly, as many short trips as she drives, a diesel doesn't make a lot of sense for her. Thanks again, all. I'll let you know what turns up. Meanwhile, if anyone has anything else to offer--a 115 with a known good blower motor, for instance, or a finny in great shape for cheap, let me know! :-) Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Having grown up Catholic, attending a Baptist Church with my Wife for years and now being a Presyterian, I think I'm qualified to state that our Government is not near as close minded unyielding as some religions. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 8:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost They aren't much different than the government in that regard. probably behooves us to join some sort of fundamentalist christian homeschooling organization for protection against vindictive action from government thugs. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 Gasser info needed
Mercedes was doing crash testing long before anyone else, in 1953 to be exact. Even my 1959 220S has crumple zones in the front end sheet metal. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: David Bruckmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 10:29 PM To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Gasser info needed Not to put a damper on things, but despite its size the W201 is a much safer car than a W123. The W123 was the last MB that was not specifically designed for offset frontal impact (that started with the 126 and 201). The 123 also doesn't have seatbelt pre-tensioners, airbags, or ABS. And you can forget the 115. Those cars predate the construction of MB's crash engineering facility (1968), so a lot of the safety engineering was done under pretty primitive conditions. Your best bet might be a W124. The size feels like a W123 but the crash performance is as good as a W126. Of course, compared to an '85 Civic, any MB would serve you well. But you have to remember that your survival is mostly determined by the design of the thing you run into. Here's an illustration of what happens to a safe big old car that hits a safe small new car: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3ygYUYia9I D. Dan Weeks wrote: Thanks Tom, Hendrik, and Tom, for your replies. Looks like it's best to avoid unless its a 230E. I'll restrict my search to that criteria. I agree the 190 would be perfect for my wife, who is rather petite. However, she was involved in a terrible accident in a civic once that had her sleeping on a board and in physical therapy for 6 months after being hit so hard by a drunk that it knocked the earings out of her pierced ears. She wants something more substantial feeling, whether or not the 201 is statistically safer than a 123.. She also likes the classic square vintage mbz look, and thinks the newer ones are far too generic. And she doesn't want a diesel for her own car, and frankly, as many short trips as she drives, a diesel doesn't make a lot of sense for her. Thanks again, all. I'll let you know what turns up. Meanwhile, if anyone has anything else to offer--a 115 with a known good blower motor, for instance, or a finny in great shape for cheap, let me know! :-) Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Tom Hargrave wrote: Child Services (DHR in Alabama) is the most over worked government organization in any state. The problem is that the workers have to obtain unrefutable evidence then they have to present the evidence to a Judge the judge has to issue a court order to have the child or children removed. They can't make preemptive strikes on their own personal authority? It seems like the egregious cases get the press, so the outsider is left with the impression that the purpose of CS is to help the worst parents keep their kids while taking the kids away from the good parents. It's all a judgment call, and either way you go you can be wrong. One factor that skews the results is that good parents who genuinely believe gov't has no business messing with their families make very inviting targets, especially if they run up against a civil servant on a power trip. Witness the fellow who was the subject of a mass assault by ten thugs with machine guns because a paramedic thought he was rude and made it a personal mission to teach him a lesson. This was over a kid that everybody agrees had an accidental fall, and exhibited no evidence of lasting damage from the fall. http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59566 Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
They can based on observations but the conditions must be absolutely horrible undisputable. A court order is much safer because a judge is making a decision based on available evidence. This keeps the case worker isolated protected. Tom'www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/7/08 10:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost Tom Hargrave wrote: Child Services (DHR in Alabama) is the most over worked government organization in any state. The problem is that the workers have to obtain unrefutable evidence then they have to present the evidence to a Judge the judge has to issue a court order to have the child or children removed. They can't make preemptive strikes on their own personal authority? It seems like the egregious cases get the press, so the outsider is left with the impression that the purpose of CS is to help the worst parents keep their kids while taking the kids away from the good parents. It's all a judgment call, and either way you go you can be wrong. One factor that skews the results is that good parents who genuinely believe gov't has no business messing with their families make very inviting targets, especially if they run up against a civil servant on a power trip. Witness the fellow who was the subject of a mass assault by ten thugs with machine guns because a paramedic thought he was rude and made it a personal mission to teach him a lesson. This was over a kid that everybody agrees had an accidental fall, and exhibited no evidence of lasting damage from the fall. http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59566 Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel economy report
18 yo car in Prius territory, much lower cost of ownership too I would wager. Imagine with new technology. --R OK Don wrote: The '90 300D 2.5 got 37.4 mpg on the 1007 mile round trip to Houston with local running around there and a trip to work today. The 300SDL got 25 MPG on the trip down (it's there for the duration of the internship). That's approximately 4 gallons per 100 miles for the 603 and 3gallons per 100 miles for the 602. I'm liking the 300D 2.5 better all the time. Might have to sell the other three and find another 300D 2.5. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel economy report
What fuel mileage does the '95 300D with the 606 get? THere's a nice looking one on eBay right now - in Philly that isn't going for all that much - yet. On Jan 7, 2008 10:05 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 18 yo car in Prius territory, much lower cost of ownership too I would wager. Imagine with new technology. --R -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace woes
In a message dated 1/7/2008 1:10:56 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well none of the electrical supply stores here will give me the time of day because I'm not in the electrical or HVAC trade. Graingers and Johnstone are two wholesalers that will take your cash, credit card, etc and both sell good motors at very reasonable prices. Read carefully to make sure your new motor mounts the same, rotates the same, rpm the same etc. the capacitor is cheap, and if it is older than 8 years, probably drying out. Without testing the capacitor, you can visually see if it has puffed out and or started leaking. Check your yellow pages if you are near a big city, or order on line. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 152 K miles **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Supposed Tips on Fueling Up
The hose/nozzle is a vacuum operated shutoff inside the handle and will not allow milking the hose. What's in the nozzle will drain, but the hose will remain full at all times. Luther, has own mini biodiesel fuel station On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:30:10 -0600, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fmiser wrote: I'm not going to loose any sleep over it. I suspect that in most cases, the amount of fuel left in the filler hose could be more significant than the temperature induced expansion/contraction. Unless the guy before you milked the hose after shutting off the pump, the hose was full when you started, and full when you finished. Mitch. Naw. I _always_ milk it when I'm done. And that was my point. *grin* -- Philip -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (170 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT/ BCS
Big 10 Meet the SEC Can You say Azz whipping 2 years in a row. GEAUX TIGERS Russ W. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT/ BCS
it's hard to know what to say here, but this is no surprise at all. every team in the sec is very good. few teams in the big 10 are really top teams. it's like the triple a champion playing against the world series champion to decide who is best. even if the AAA team is really, really good, they just don't engage in the level of play during the year where they could be expected to be competitive. the bcs fails us again as it does EVERY YEAR. On Jan 7, 2008 11:44 PM, Russ Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big 10 Meet the SEC Can You say Azz whipping 2 years in a row. GEAUX TIGERS Russ W. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 123 coupe electrical confusion
Subject car: '82 300CD The fuse for the right front markerlight, right tail light, dash lights, and headlight warning buzzer (key buzzer works fine) has blown 4 times in the last 6 months. The most recent time was about 3 weeks ago (or so I thought...). Last night I opened my door and the buzzer sounded at me. WHAA? Tonight all lights are working as intended. I'm totally confused at this. It's also dawned on me that my radio reception might be diminished when the dash/marker/tail system is not working. It blows a brand new copper alloy fuse just as easily as the crappy aluminum fuses I am using until the problem is resolved. Any ideas?? TIA all. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (170 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT/ BCS
PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!! PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!! PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!! Luther On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:52:46 -0600, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's hard to know what to say here, but this is no surprise at all. every team in the sec is very good. few teams in the big 10 are really top teams. it's like the triple a champion playing against the world series champion to decide who is best. even if the AAA team is really, really good, they just don't engage in the level of play during the year where they could be expected to be competitive. the bcs fails us again as it does EVERY YEAR. On Jan 7, 2008 11:44 PM, Russ Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big 10 Meet the SEC Can You say Azz whipping 2 years in a row. GEAUX TIGERS Russ W. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (170 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel economy report
Depends on fuel and how you drive. I was getting 33-36mpg depending on how long I stayed on the highway. Did a cross country at 75-90mph for those results. Around town it gets down to 25mpg on B20. On 7 Jan 2008, at 20:14, OK Don wrote: What fuel mileage does the '95 300D with the 606 get? THere's a nice looking one on eBay right now - in Philly that isn't going for all that much - yet. On Jan 7, 2008 10:05 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 18 yo car in Prius territory, much lower cost of ownership too I would wager. Imagine with new technology. --R -- OK Don, KD5NRO -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT/ BCS
i do think it's time On Jan 8, 2008 12:09 AM, Luther - laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!! PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!! PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!! Luther On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:52:46 -0600, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's hard to know what to say here, but this is no surprise at all. every team in the sec is very good. few teams in the big 10 are really top teams. it's like the triple a champion playing against the world series champion to decide who is best. even if the AAA team is really, really good, they just don't engage in the level of play during the year where they could be expected to be competitive. the bcs fails us again as it does EVERY YEAR. On Jan 7, 2008 11:44 PM, Russ Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big 10 Meet the SEC Can You say Azz whipping 2 years in a row. GEAUX TIGERS Russ W. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (170 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 coupe electrical confusion
The fuse for the right front markerlight, right tail light, dash lights, and headlight warning buzzer (key buzzer works fine) has blown 4 times in the last 6 months. I've seen a dimmer rheostat that came apart and managed to short out against something. It obviously felt like a mess, though. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Best battery for 300D
Hi, all - It is another cold winter here in northeastern New Mexico, and the battery on the wife's 300CD has again taken a crap. It shows as fully charged when I hook up the charger, but there are no cold cranking amps and it won't turn the engine over fast enough to get it going. So now I must ask - last year, the same thing happened and I went to Auto Zone and bought what I was told was their best for cold cranking amps. Their best turned out to be garbage. What do you all recommend for the best, no holds barred get it started in the winter battery? -- Lee Email is protected by DesertGate Spam Filter http://www.desertgate.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Best battery for 300D
Measure the voltage across the posts while someone engages the starter make sure you are measuring at the posts themselves, not the cable ends. If the battery voltage stays above 9 volts then your issue is elsewhere. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee Einer Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Best battery for 300D Hi, all - It is another cold winter here in northeastern New Mexico, and the battery on the wife's 300CD has again taken a crap. It shows as fully charged when I hook up the charger, but there are no cold cranking amps and it won't turn the engine over fast enough to get it going. So now I must ask - last year, the same thing happened and I went to Auto Zone and bought what I was told was their best for cold cranking amps. Their best turned out to be garbage. What do you all recommend for the best, no holds barred get it started in the winter battery? -- Lee Email is protected by DesertGate Spam Filter http://www.desertgate.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace woes
I was hopeful about Graingers, but their nearest outlet is 50 miles away. Went to their web site and found the motor but in the process of checking out I found out that they don't want to do consumer sales either. So I'd have to fake being a business, which would almost certainly work but I don't like having to lie just to buy a motor. What's the big deal about not selling to DIY folks? Do they not want to piss off the tradespeople? Then I found Electric Motor Warehouse (www.electricmotorwarehouse.com) who had no quibble about selling directly to me and had the exact A.O. Smith blower motor that I pulled out of the the furnace. Their price was a few bucks more than Grainger but they include a new capacitor which pretty much accounts for the difference. I also got a new mounting bracket and rubber bushings because the old bushings looked tired. From what I've read (a day too late of course), it sounds like probably the capacitor was bad. Putting in a whole new motor is expensive insurance but I've already got the old one out, and I'd rather not tear into that furnace again anytime soon I swear every piece of sheet metal has been sharpened to a razor edge. Also the motor was getting really hot to the touch in just a few minutes, and had probably been doing that for up to a week (MIL was out of town and returned to a cold house) so who knows what all has had the life cooked out of it. Allan On Jan 7, 2008, at 11:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/7/2008 1:10:56 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well none of the electrical supply stores here will give me the time of day because I'm not in the electrical or HVAC trade. Graingers and Johnstone are two wholesalers that will take your cash, credit card, etc and both sell good motors at very reasonable prices. Read carefully to make sure your new motor mounts the same, rotates the same, rpm the same etc. the capacitor is cheap, and if it is older than 8 years, probably drying out. Without testing the capacitor, you can visually see if it has puffed out and or started leaking. Check your yellow pages if you are near a big city, or order on line. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 152 K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
