Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
yes, that is true, lets tone it back a bit Hendrik & Fay wrote: > I seem to remember Kaleb asking that politics not be discussed. > There is a fair bit of provocative stuff in this post and I'm sure the > same could be said for the other side. > > Hendrik > > LarryT wrote: >> Brian wrote<> always been >> Democrat, so she's a Demo>> >> >> Sadly thats why many people vote democratic. People like Jews and blacks >> (sorry - I just cannot say African American with a straight face) have voted >> 90% democrat for 40 years and I cannot find any good reason why. The party >> doesnt seem to have help either group. Actually, it was democrats who held >> up the 64 civil rights act for years. And FDR - the father of american >> socialism - didn;t bomb the railway system leading to the concentration >> camps in WW2 when he became aware of what was happening. >> >> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
I seem to remember Kaleb asking that politics not be discussed. There is a fair bit of provocative stuff in this post and I'm sure the same could be said for the other side. Hendrik LarryT wrote: > Brian wrote< always been > Democrat, so she's a Demo>> > > Sadly thats why many people vote democratic. People like Jews and blacks > (sorry - I just cannot say African American with a straight face) have voted > 90% democrat for 40 years and I cannot find any good reason why. The party > doesnt seem to have help either group. Actually, it was democrats who held > up the 64 civil rights act for years. And FDR - the father of american > socialism - didn;t bomb the railway system leading to the concentration > camps in WW2 when he became aware of what was happening. > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Brian wrote<> Sadly thats why many people vote democratic. People like Jews and blacks (sorry - I just cannot say African American with a straight face) have voted 90% democrat for 40 years and I cannot find any good reason why. The party doesnt seem to have help either group. Actually, it was democrats who held up the 64 civil rights act for years. And FDR - the father of american socialism - didn;t bomb the railway system leading to the concentration camps in WW2 when he became aware of what was happening. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant > Thanks for a fun, helpful thread, all! I'm glad so many of you were up for > it. > I thought of a new bumper sticker today: "Would Obama tailgate?" > > (insert the candidate of your choice - one whose supporters you think are > sheep) > > Was amazed this evening to find that my wife's 91 yr. old grandma is > voting > for Mr. Barack Hussein. Not often I find a use for the word ironic. > > Granny says her husband was always Democrat and the family has always been > Democrat, so she's a Demo. And she's voting for this media phenom whose > every other word is "change". > > Brian > hope's he's not guilty of misusing the word ironic, as most people are > > On Feb 4, 2008 9:56 AM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I don't mind how slow someone drives in the right lane, providing they >> have >> good depth perception and have a good look in their mirror before pulling >> out in front of me. Having said that, providing weather conditions >> allow, >> driving slower than 20 kph under the limit here on the highway is not >> allowed, and you can be ticketed just as you would for driving to fast. >> >> Ed >> 300E >> >> On 04/02/2008, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > Timothy Robinson wrote: >> > > S'cuse me while I just stay in the right lane and listen to old Elton >> > > John CDs and smoke my Pall Malls. >> > >> > I don't think anyone on the list has mentioned frustration at someone >> > driving slow in the right lane. If you passed a car going 1/2MPH >> > faster >> > than the vehicle you're passing then we all might get a little >> frustrated. >> > >> > I don't think you're other comments really applied to anyone on this >> > list either. >> > >> > John >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Thanks for a fun, helpful thread, all! I'm glad so many of you were up for it. I thought of a new bumper sticker today: "Would Obama tailgate?" (insert the candidate of your choice - one whose supporters you think are sheep) Was amazed this evening to find that my wife's 91 yr. old grandma is voting for Mr. Barack Hussein. Not often I find a use for the word ironic. Granny says her husband was always Democrat and the family has always been Democrat, so she's a Demo. And she's voting for this media phenom whose every other word is "change". Brian hope's he's not guilty of misusing the word ironic, as most people are On Feb 4, 2008 9:56 AM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't mind how slow someone drives in the right lane, providing they > have > good depth perception and have a good look in their mirror before pulling > out in front of me. Having said that, providing weather conditions allow, > driving slower than 20 kph under the limit here on the highway is not > allowed, and you can be ticketed just as you would for driving to fast. > > Ed > 300E > > On 04/02/2008, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Timothy Robinson wrote: > > > S'cuse me while I just stay in the right lane and listen to old Elton > > > John CDs and smoke my Pall Malls. > > > > I don't think anyone on the list has mentioned frustration at someone > > driving slow in the right lane. If you passed a car going 1/2MPH faster > > than the vehicle you're passing then we all might get a little > frustrated. > > > > I don't think you're other comments really applied to anyone on this > > list either. > > > > John > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
I don't mind how slow someone drives in the right lane, providing they have good depth perception and have a good look in their mirror before pulling out in front of me. Having said that, providing weather conditions allow, driving slower than 20 kph under the limit here on the highway is not allowed, and you can be ticketed just as you would for driving to fast. Ed 300E On 04/02/2008, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Timothy Robinson wrote: > > S'cuse me while I just stay in the right lane and listen to old Elton > > John CDs and smoke my Pall Malls. > > I don't think anyone on the list has mentioned frustration at someone > driving slow in the right lane. If you passed a car going 1/2MPH faster > than the vehicle you're passing then we all might get a little frustrated. > > I don't think you're other comments really applied to anyone on this > list either. > > John > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Timothy Robinson wrote: > S'cuse me while I just stay in the right lane and listen to old Elton > John CDs and smoke my Pall Malls. I don't think anyone on the list has mentioned frustration at someone driving slow in the right lane. If you passed a car going 1/2MPH faster than the vehicle you're passing then we all might get a little frustrated. I don't think you're other comments really applied to anyone on this list either. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Maybe it was the years of having a tight schedule and having stressful long distance commutes but I burned out on driving many years ago. Finally I reached the point that I was so tense getting to a concert that I'd get someone to drive me. Once I adjusted to trusting another driver and becoming a passenger I was content not to have to fight traffic. It's just in the past year that I changed routine and can allow more time to commute. With the tension gone I enjoy driving again. I look forward to allowing extra time now so that I'm not rushed. I relax, enjoy a little talk radio and look at the scenery. It's a good time to focus and reflect. That probably explains now why I'm content to stick to the speed limits and the right lanes. In years past I was almost afraid to use cruise control as I often had to cruise twenty over. I was always alert watching for "Mr. Occifer" and swearing at those "alter Gefarten" who wouldn't get out of my way. Heck, now I AM the "alter Kocher." > From: "Rick Knoble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:35:39 -0600 > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant > >> I hate driving. Period. >> >> Brian > > Too bad. I love driving. Especially down an empty stretch of expressway at > triple digit speeds. Or doing doughnuts in the local Kmart parking lot after a > foot of fresh snow has fallen. Or cruising down the lakefront looking at the > million dollar homes. > > I do dislike some of the bad habits that some inconsiderate drivers have, but > oh well, that is life. > > Rick Knoble > "Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way" > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
One of the problems is that the actual driving test is taken in the city, where the speed limit is low. I'm a great believer in using technology like driving simulators to test people in a variety of situations to see if they have the skills to be able to cope in demanding traffic and conditions. But like you said, tightening up the driving test is not popular and it is only the top 20% of drivers who are confident about their skills who think a tougher driving test is a good thing. As a side note I find that I am more relaxed (drive more sedate) in my 123 230E than in my 201 190E because the 190E is more of a go kart, whereas the 123 is a relaxing limo. Even the interior of the 123 is more relaxing. Hendrik R A Bennell wrote: > I am often annoyed on my way to the lake in the summer when somone passes me > on the 4 lane and then pulls > immediately in front of me. They are going faster and within a couple of > miles they pull away to a safer distance > but immediately after the pass I am way too close to them and feel like I > need to slow down which is a bit of a > pain in the butt if I'm on cruise control. Don't know why they cannot just > stay out in the left lane a little bit > longer and put a little more distance between us before they pull into the > right lane. > > Bottom line is that most people (probably me included) are basically lousy > drivers who need to be re-educated and > upgraded on a regular basis. The govt does not want to spend the $$ and it > would be an unpopular move but it sure > would reduce injuries, deaths and property damage if we were trained a bit > better to anticipate trouble and how to > avoid causing the other fellow trouble. > > Randy > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
I agree. It's not the actual driving itself that I hate.
Reminds me of a ZZ Top song called Driving While Blind.
Nevermind the part about drinking and driving ("how could anyone be so
unkind as to arrest a man for driving while blind?"); The part I am
referring to goes something like "once in a while I get the hankerin' to sit
behind the wheel of a fine automobile".
Well, that was a butchering of the actual lyrics, but the point is, sure, I
love the sensation of cruising around in a car I like, and I like both my
Benzes.
As usual, it's the human creature that ruins things with our inherent
laziness and greed.
Brian
On Feb 1, 2008 2:35 PM, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I hate driving. Period.
> >
> > Brian
>
> Too bad. I love driving. Especially down an empty stretch of expressway at
> triple digit speeds. Or doing doughnuts in the local Kmart parking lot after
> a foot of fresh snow has fallen. Or cruising down the lakefront looking at
> the million dollar homes.
>
> I do dislike some of the bad habits that some inconsiderate drivers have,
> but oh well, that is life.
>
> Rick Knoble
> "Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way"
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Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
> I hate driving. Period. > > Brian Too bad. I love driving. Especially down an empty stretch of expressway at triple digit speeds. Or doing doughnuts in the local Kmart parking lot after a foot of fresh snow has fallen. Or cruising down the lakefront looking at the million dollar homes. I do dislike some of the bad habits that some inconsiderate drivers have, but oh well, that is life. Rick Knoble "Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way" ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Actually no, you do not have the right to just stay in the left lane next to the car beside you at any speed you choose. The left lane is for passing only and in most states it is illegal to hang out in the left lane, not to mention is pisses everyone off. Richard Smith wrote: > Actually Alan anyone who tailgates is the one who is childish. The one who > initiates the tailgating is the one who is the aggressor. The person in > front always has the right of way in any state in the USA. If they want to > slow down and run along beside the car in the right lane then they are well > within the law to do so, but following to close is a crime in every state. > > To me it sounds like Luther is just being a good parent and attempting to > teach an immature childish driver a lesson in behaving safe and respectful. > Something we all have to do with two year old occasionally. Its just to bad > they give two year old drivers licenses. > > > On 1/31/08, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> Uusually I drive 5-10 MPH over posted speed limits on the interstate >>> and very much dislike someone riding my bumper at 80 in the left >>> lane. >> Then move right. If you are impeding traffic in the left lane you >> need to immediately signal your intention to move right and do so at >> the next safe opportunity. Ideally you are aware enough of traffic >> behind you that you can do this in advance of being tailgated. >> >> The games you are describing (slowing down, etc.) are childish and >> someday might cause a wreck and get someone killed. It doesn't matter >> how fast you are already going, even; You are not out there to enforce >> speed limits. >> >> Allan >> -- >> 1983 300D >> 1966 230 >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
I agree and think your idea is a good one. Ed 300E On 01/02/2008, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Bottom line is that most people (probably me included) are basically lousy > drivers who need to be re-educated and > upgraded on a regular basis. The govt does not want to spend the $$ and it > would be an unpopular move but it sure > would reduce injuries, deaths and property damage if we were trained a bit > better to anticipate trouble and how to > avoid causing the other fellow trouble. > > Randy > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
I am often annoyed on my way to the lake in the summer when somone passes me on the 4 lane and then pulls immediately in front of me. They are going faster and within a couple of miles they pull away to a safer distance but immediately after the pass I am way too close to them and feel like I need to slow down which is a bit of a pain in the butt if I'm on cruise control. Don't know why they cannot just stay out in the left lane a little bit longer and put a little more distance between us before they pull into the right lane. Bottom line is that most people (probably me included) are basically lousy drivers who need to be re-educated and upgraded on a regular basis. The govt does not want to spend the $$ and it would be an unpopular move but it sure would reduce injuries, deaths and property damage if we were trained a bit better to anticipate trouble and how to avoid causing the other fellow trouble. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hendrik & Fay Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant A lot of people have no idea of the requirements of a truck and think it is just like a car. Happened to me a couple of times, leave enough room so I can safely and efficiently bring the truck to a stop and some turd in a little buzz box jumps into that space, all of a sudden a relaxed stopping maneuverer turns into a frenzied maximum braking effort. The stupid part is that idiots would not even know that they done anything wrong but think that I was a cowboy truck driver hell bent on trying to scare the brown stuff out of them, when I just managed to bring the truck to a stop a couple of feet off their rear end. Luckily most of the driving I did was out in the bush away from the yuppies and their mobile phones. Of course if you ever rear ended one of these clowns guess who is going to be in the poo for not leaving enough distance. Hendrik who don't mind driving trucks when it all goes well but it never did Fmiser wrote: > Just remember that next time you think of using the space in > front of a big truck! > > The driver has to juggle. > > One - he has a _much_ slower acceleration than a 240 automatic > with a stretched timing chain so he'll want to avoid slowing > down just to speed up. > > Two - it takes a lot of space to stop even a half-loaded big > truck. > > --Philip > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Jim Cathey wrote: > Unless you're in a no-fault state (maybe), you're under no > particular obligation to accept anything they say. After all, > you don't have any kind of contract with them! Living in a no-fault state, (Michigan) I can expand on that a little. Here, there's a $500 cap on vehicle property damage. I guess it's supposed to cover your deductible and your insurance is supposed to pay the rest. There is a way around it in the form of a negligence suit. I know a lawyer who claims to have won a negligence suit against a cop who rear ended her client at a red light with a police cruiser. What made the client fighting mad was cop #2 (who came to investigate the crash) opened the discussion with "Ma'am, how fast were you going when you backed into the other officer?" I don't know if that was a joke or not, but it made her mad enough to hire a lawyer to get even with them. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
> > Yes, people should not try to be road-police using their own bodies and > cars as enforcement tools. BUT... > I tire of the notion that one's having achieved high speed somehow makes them entitled to having everyone scampering out of their way. Just as I tire of hearing the mantra that that vehicle is bigger than you so you'd better get out of the way. Yeah, I'll protect myself, but show respect for someone because they are speeding or drive a large vehicle - nah. I've already had my time of speed and fast cars, and I feel I've moved beyond it. The price of gas and my disdain for pollution have played a role. Brian > > Then move right. If you are impeding traffic in the left lane you > need to immediately signal your intention to move right and do so at > the next safe opportunity. Ideally you are aware enough of traffic > behind you that you can do this in advance of being tailgated. > > The games you are describing (slowing down, etc.) are childish and > someday might cause a wreck and get someone killed. It doesn't matter > how fast you are already going, even; You are not out there to enforce > speed limits. > > Allan > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> > Unfortunately, I doubt the punks knew you were mad. Probably just assumed > you wanted to play. > Brian > The last time I got severely pissed at a tailgater was probably over > ten years ago. Oh, crap, there's great aunt Vera's car in front of > me doing 35. Oh, well, her house is only a mile away. So I'm tooling > along at 35 in fourth, hanging far enough back that I won't have > to brake when we get to her house. An Eclipse goes past me, slams > on the brakes and sits 10-15' off this 85 year old woman's bumper. > Now this particular old woman is one of my mom's favorite aunts. > > The carfull of morons nearly stops as she makes her turn, then > whips out into the left lane, with me on their bumper. 15 seconds > later, we're going down this narrow two lane road at about 80, > with my car 20-30' behind theirs. It was nerve-wracking to me, > and I hope it was for them too. I intended to do the 10' that > they had done, but I just couldn't do it, too scary. A couple > of miles later we came to a stop sign, they turned right, I > turned left. > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Here's the problem with this left lane on the highway thing: I agree fully that the left lane if for passing. But when I pass a car - even though I do try to employ enough speed to make a definite differential - much of the time I am still going slower than the guy who is rushing up on me before I can get around the car in the right lane. So I get tailgated as I try to get past the car in the right lane and resume my right lane cruising position. And immature or not, I do not like being pressured, pushed and endangered like that. And I know as soon as there is just barely enough conceivable room for them to zoom around me they will squeeze by. No other way to put it: That pisses me Off People need to watch a severe accident on film once every other week or something to sober them up. And they need to exercise some semblance of decorum or at least a vague adherence to the rules of the road. So what do I wind up doing when pushed like that? I usually make the doorknobs wait a bit and take my sweet time getting over. Stupid, I know - you don't have to tell me. I am in the vulnerable position there, as they could tap me in the corner and send me into the weeds or worse. I hate driving. Period. Brian On Jan 31, 2008 7:16 PM, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > People from CA have a bad habit of driving in the left lane while doing at > or just below the speed limit. I will sometimes come up right behind them > and tailgate them in an effort to get them to get the heck in the right > lane. I don't flash my lightthis isn't the Autobahn. > > Bob R. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Allan Streib > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:09 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant > > Was not trying to condone tailgating, I guess my point is that when > you get into a pissing match on the expressway eventually someone is > going to end up hurt or dead. > > I stand by my position though that if you are impeding traffic in the > left lane you should move right. You are not there to enforce the > speed limits (unless you happen to be a law enforcement officer). > Sudden braking in the left lane, moving right to thwart a pass on the > right after you've already blocked the other driver to the left to > "teach a tailgater a lesson" is as childish as the tailgating, and is > escalating the situation. > > I've been in a car with a friend who was pulled by a state trooper > for driving in the left lane. The left lane is for passing, and he > was not passing, he was just driving there. The cop approached from > the rear, my friend did not move right and though he was not driving > under the limit he was pulled over. You cannot lollygag in the left > lane and you cannot drive there pacing the traffic to the right. > "Slower traffic keep right" is what the signs say. Speeding is a > separate and unrelated offense, as is tailgating. > > Allan > > > On Jan 31, 2008, at 9:33 PM, Richard Smith wrote: > > > Actually Alan anyone who tailgates is the one who is childish. The > > one who > > initiates the tailgating is the one who is the aggressor. The > > person in > > front always has the right of way in any state in the USA. If they > > want to > > slow down and run along beside the car in the right lane then they > > are well > > within the law to do so, but following to close is a crime in every > > state. > > > > To me it sounds like Luther is just being a good parent and > > attempting to > > teach an immature childish driver a lesson in behaving safe and > > respectful. > > Something we all have to do with two year old occasionally. Its > > just to bad > > they give two year old drivers licenses. > > > > > > On 1/31/08, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >>> Uusually I drive 5-10 MPH over posted speed limits on the interstate > >>> and very much dislike someone riding my bumper at 80 in the left > >>> lane. > >> > >> Then move right. If you are impeding traffic in the left lane you > >> need to immediately signal your intention to move right and do so at > >> the next safe opportunity. Ideally you are aware enough of traffic > >> behind you that you can do this in advance of being tailgated. > >> > >> The games you are describing (slowing down, etc.) are childish and > >> someday might cause a wreck and get someone killed. It doesn't > >> matter > >
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
> When all else is said, that little fender bender that's not my fault > will > probably total my "old twenty-five year old car" in the eyes of the > other's > insurance company. Unless you're in a no-fault state (maybe), you're under no particular obligation to accept anything they say. After all, you don't have any kind of contract with them! They have to 'make you whole', in other words. Just the usual court thing. Either fix it as good as it was before, or replace it with something equally as good. The devil's in the details, of course. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
When all else is said, that little fender bender that's not my fault will probably total my "old twenty-five year old car" in the eyes of the other's insurance company. It's worth to me ten times what they would allow. My other rationale is that carrying only liability is one of the benefits of having an old paid for Benz. SO... I'll drive to avoid any conflict. I'll be the old hound on the porch! As long as I get where I need to be in the comfortable time that my lifestyle allows, it's no problem. I don't have an interest only adjustable rate mortgage so I understand your haste and pressure. I don't have 3.5 kids in car seats screaming that I need to dump off at day care. S'cuse me while I just stay in the right lane and listen to old Elton John CDs and smoke my Pall Malls. If my cell rings while I'm driving I'll check voice mail when I get where I'm going. I'm smelling the roses as my journey is just as precious as the destination I started out for. I'll stay out of your way. Just don't "PI$$" me off. So there!!! T > From: John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:14:44 -0600 > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant > > Richard Smith wrote: >> The person in front always has the right of way in any state in the >> USA. If they want to slow down and run along beside the car in the >> right lane then they are well within the law to do so, but following >> to close is a crime in every state. > > You also have the legal right to flip off other drivers it doesn't > mean it is the right thing to do. Staying in the fast lane and not > overtaking a vehicle when you have a string of cars behind you is > extremely rude and liable to incite road rage in other drivers. It is > better for everyone involved if the person holding up traffic in the > fast lane slows down/speeds up to get around the vehicle they are passing. > >> To me it sounds like Luther is just being a good parent and >> attempting to teach an immature childish driver a lesson in behaving >> safe and respectful. Something we all have to do with two year old >> occasionally. Its just to bad they give two year old drivers >> licenses. > > Two wrongs don't make a right. Slamming on the brakes for no apparent > reason is highly dangerous with a tailgater... what happens if they > can't stop in time, hit you on a corner, and throw you underneath that > semi you're riding next to? Then they go flying across the median into > oncoming traffic. Quite a lesson if you ask me. Especially for the > innocent bystanders. > > John > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Here in Alabama there are no laws requiring drivers to stay right and I'm as likely to pass on the right as on the left. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: 1/31/08 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant Was not trying to condone tailgating, I guess my point is that when you get into a pissing match on the expressway eventually someone is going to end up hurt or dead. I stand by my position though that if you are impeding traffic in the left lane you should move right. You are not there to enforce the speed limits (unless you happen to be a law enforcement officer). Sudden braking in the left lane, moving right to thwart a pass on the right after you've already blocked the other driver to the left to "teach a tailgater a lesson" is as childish as the tailgating, and is escalating the situation. I've been in a car with a friend who was pulled by a state trooper for driving in the left lane. The left lane is for passing, and he was not passing, he was just driving there. The cop approached from the rear, my friend did not move right and though he was not driving under the limit he was pulled over. You cannot lollygag in the left lane and you cannot drive there pacing the traffic to the right. "Slower traffic keep right" is what the signs say. Speeding is a separate and unrelated offense, as is tailgating. Allan On Jan 31, 2008, at 9:33 PM, Richard Smith wrote: > Actually Alan anyone who tailgates is the one who is childish. The > one who > initiates the tailgating is the one who is the aggressor. The > person in > front always has the right of way in any state in the USA. If they > want to > slow down and run along beside the car in the right lane then they > are well > within the law to do so, but following to close is a crime in every > state. > > To me it sounds like Luther is just being a good parent and > attempting to > teach an immature childish driver a lesson in behaving safe and > respectful. > Something we all have to do with two year old occasionally. Its > just to bad > they give two year old drivers licenses. > > > On 1/31/08, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> Uusually I drive 5-10 MPH over posted speed limits on the interstate >>> and very much dislike someone riding my bumper at 80 in the left >>> lane. >> >> Then move right. If you are impeding traffic in the left lane you >> need to immediately signal your intention to move right and do so at >> the next safe opportunity. Ideally you are aware enough of traffic >> behind you that you can do this in advance of being tailgated. >> >> The games you are describing (slowing down, etc.) are childish and >> someday might cause a wreck and get someone killed. It doesn't >> matter >> how fast you are already going, even; You are not out there to >> enforce >> speed limits. >> >> Allan >> -- >> 1983 300D >> 1966 230 >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > > -- > OK Richard 1987 300D 193k with miles and miles to go!!! > Midwest City, Oklahoma > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.17/1252 - Release Date: 1/30/2008 8:51 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
People from CA have a bad habit of driving in the left lane while doing at or just below the speed limit. I will sometimes come up right behind them and tailgate them in an effort to get them to get the heck in the right lane. I don't flash my lightthis isn't the Autobahn. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant Was not trying to condone tailgating, I guess my point is that when you get into a pissing match on the expressway eventually someone is going to end up hurt or dead. I stand by my position though that if you are impeding traffic in the left lane you should move right. You are not there to enforce the speed limits (unless you happen to be a law enforcement officer). Sudden braking in the left lane, moving right to thwart a pass on the right after you've already blocked the other driver to the left to "teach a tailgater a lesson" is as childish as the tailgating, and is escalating the situation. I've been in a car with a friend who was pulled by a state trooper for driving in the left lane. The left lane is for passing, and he was not passing, he was just driving there. The cop approached from the rear, my friend did not move right and though he was not driving under the limit he was pulled over. You cannot lollygag in the left lane and you cannot drive there pacing the traffic to the right. "Slower traffic keep right" is what the signs say. Speeding is a separate and unrelated offense, as is tailgating. Allan On Jan 31, 2008, at 9:33 PM, Richard Smith wrote: > Actually Alan anyone who tailgates is the one who is childish. The > one who > initiates the tailgating is the one who is the aggressor. The > person in > front always has the right of way in any state in the USA. If they > want to > slow down and run along beside the car in the right lane then they > are well > within the law to do so, but following to close is a crime in every > state. > > To me it sounds like Luther is just being a good parent and > attempting to > teach an immature childish driver a lesson in behaving safe and > respectful. > Something we all have to do with two year old occasionally. Its > just to bad > they give two year old drivers licenses. > > > On 1/31/08, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> Uusually I drive 5-10 MPH over posted speed limits on the interstate >>> and very much dislike someone riding my bumper at 80 in the left >>> lane. >> >> Then move right. If you are impeding traffic in the left lane you >> need to immediately signal your intention to move right and do so at >> the next safe opportunity. Ideally you are aware enough of traffic >> behind you that you can do this in advance of being tailgated. >> >> The games you are describing (slowing down, etc.) are childish and >> someday might cause a wreck and get someone killed. It doesn't >> matter >> how fast you are already going, even; You are not out there to >> enforce >> speed limits. >> >> Allan >> -- >> 1983 300D >> 1966 230 >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > > -- > OK Richard 1987 300D 193k with miles and miles to go!!! > Midwest City, Oklahoma > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Richard Smith wrote: > The person in front always has the right of way in any state in the > USA. If they want to slow down and run along beside the car in the > right lane then they are well within the law to do so, but following > to close is a crime in every state. You also have the legal right to flip off other drivers it doesn't mean it is the right thing to do. Staying in the fast lane and not overtaking a vehicle when you have a string of cars behind you is extremely rude and liable to incite road rage in other drivers. It is better for everyone involved if the person holding up traffic in the fast lane slows down/speeds up to get around the vehicle they are passing. > To me it sounds like Luther is just being a good parent and > attempting to teach an immature childish driver a lesson in behaving > safe and respectful. Something we all have to do with two year old > occasionally. Its just to bad they give two year old drivers > licenses. Two wrongs don't make a right. Slamming on the brakes for no apparent reason is highly dangerous with a tailgater... what happens if they can't stop in time, hit you on a corner, and throw you underneath that semi you're riding next to? Then they go flying across the median into oncoming traffic. Quite a lesson if you ask me. Especially for the innocent bystanders. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Was not trying to condone tailgating, I guess my point is that when you get into a pissing match on the expressway eventually someone is going to end up hurt or dead. I stand by my position though that if you are impeding traffic in the left lane you should move right. You are not there to enforce the speed limits (unless you happen to be a law enforcement officer). Sudden braking in the left lane, moving right to thwart a pass on the right after you've already blocked the other driver to the left to "teach a tailgater a lesson" is as childish as the tailgating, and is escalating the situation. I've been in a car with a friend who was pulled by a state trooper for driving in the left lane. The left lane is for passing, and he was not passing, he was just driving there. The cop approached from the rear, my friend did not move right and though he was not driving under the limit he was pulled over. You cannot lollygag in the left lane and you cannot drive there pacing the traffic to the right. "Slower traffic keep right" is what the signs say. Speeding is a separate and unrelated offense, as is tailgating. Allan On Jan 31, 2008, at 9:33 PM, Richard Smith wrote: > Actually Alan anyone who tailgates is the one who is childish. The > one who > initiates the tailgating is the one who is the aggressor. The > person in > front always has the right of way in any state in the USA. If they > want to > slow down and run along beside the car in the right lane then they > are well > within the law to do so, but following to close is a crime in every > state. > > To me it sounds like Luther is just being a good parent and > attempting to > teach an immature childish driver a lesson in behaving safe and > respectful. > Something we all have to do with two year old occasionally. Its > just to bad > they give two year old drivers licenses. > > > On 1/31/08, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> Uusually I drive 5-10 MPH over posted speed limits on the interstate >>> and very much dislike someone riding my bumper at 80 in the left >>> lane. >> >> Then move right. If you are impeding traffic in the left lane you >> need to immediately signal your intention to move right and do so at >> the next safe opportunity. Ideally you are aware enough of traffic >> behind you that you can do this in advance of being tailgated. >> >> The games you are describing (slowing down, etc.) are childish and >> someday might cause a wreck and get someone killed. It doesn't >> matter >> how fast you are already going, even; You are not out there to >> enforce >> speed limits. >> >> Allan >> -- >> 1983 300D >> 1966 230 >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > > -- > OK Richard 1987 300D 193k with miles and miles to go!!! > Midwest City, Oklahoma > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Actually Alan anyone who tailgates is the one who is childish. The one who initiates the tailgating is the one who is the aggressor. The person in front always has the right of way in any state in the USA. If they want to slow down and run along beside the car in the right lane then they are well within the law to do so, but following to close is a crime in every state. To me it sounds like Luther is just being a good parent and attempting to teach an immature childish driver a lesson in behaving safe and respectful. Something we all have to do with two year old occasionally. Its just to bad they give two year old drivers licenses. On 1/31/08, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Uusually I drive 5-10 MPH over posted speed limits on the interstate > > and very much dislike someone riding my bumper at 80 in the left > > lane. > > Then move right. If you are impeding traffic in the left lane you > need to immediately signal your intention to move right and do so at > the next safe opportunity. Ideally you are aware enough of traffic > behind you that you can do this in advance of being tailgated. > > The games you are describing (slowing down, etc.) are childish and > someday might cause a wreck and get someone killed. It doesn't matter > how fast you are already going, even; You are not out there to enforce > speed limits. > > Allan > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- OK Richard 1987 300D 193k with miles and miles to go!!! Midwest City, Oklahoma ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
I thought the same thing at the time. I stayed in my car with the windows up and the engine running just in case he decided to be even more crazy before the highway patrol arrived, but he stayed in his truck and behaved himself. Turns out he lives in Tulsa which is about 100 miles NE of OKC. So hopefully it will not be worth his effort to drive all the way down here just to hassle me, but I will keep my eyes open! On 1/31/08, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Richard, > Sounds like you were lucky to come out without getting hurt. Hopefully > they > can keep some of your identifying info from him - he sounds like someone > who > likes to do stupid things. You might want a restraining order forcing him > to keep his distance. > > Or maybe I;m overreacting - > > Good luck- > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: "Richard Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:03 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant > > > > Interesting that you ask this question. > > > > Just yesterday I was being tailgated by an F150. I was in my 300D right > > lane > > of I-40 here in OKC in a left hand curve we call the Tinker diagonal. He > > was > > so close all I could see was grill. I was doing 60, speed limit was 50, > > left > > lane was doing maybe 5mph faster than me. I let off the gas and slowed > to > > 50. I just new trouble was coming. He whipped into the left lane, got > > halfway past me, then started changing lanes right into me. While there > is > > a > > shoulder there it was covered with salt and sand from our last freeze. I > > just knew if I got on that I would slide right into the concrete > barrier, > > and he would drive off and I would be left with a totaled car that I > only > > carry liability insurance on. I stayed in my lane and got on the breaks > > (abs > > seems to work just fine), but he was still going to hit me unless I > headed > > for the barrier. Well I held my lane. His right rear clipped my front > > left. > > > > Two people stopped and left me names and numbers. The highway patrolman > > called them and the both said pretty much what I had already told the > > officer, but one of them did say she was in the left lane and the truck > > could not have been more than 2 feet off my bumper. > > > > Now I am going to have to find a new left front finder, turn signal, and > > headlight. He on the other hand is going to have to replace his totaled > > truck, and pay about $400 in tickets, and probably higher insurance > > premiums. He ended up on the shoulder and slide right into that concrete > > barrier. > > > > So no, I do not think it is ever acceptable to tailgate. That being said > I > > have done it, and plan to give myself a timeout if I ever do it again!!! > > > > On 1/30/08, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> Simple question: If a car in front of you is going slower than you want > >> to > >> go, do you consider it your right to tailgate them? > >> Not a trick question. I just want input as the the current mindset out > >> there. It may help me understand. > >> > >> It used to be that, in my circle of friends and acquaintances, > tailgating > >> was a sign of aggression. People got into fistfights and sometimes shot > >> for > >> it. But now it seems as I'm tailgated every single time I drive, it > isn't > >> personal. The times I've been able to confront someone for doing it, > most > >> of > >> them have seemed genuinely clueless why I was mad at them. > >> > >> To answer the next logical question: I don't drive all that slowly - > just > >> in > >> a sane fashion somewhere around the speed limit, or maybe 5 above or 5 > >> below > >> depending on conditions. (talking about in-town here). > >> > >> And I also do not accelerate that fast because of: Fuel costs, > >> Environmental > >> Issues, Wear and tear on vehicle, and just generally not wishing to be > a > >> pedal-mashing, non-thinking idiot that stabs the accelerator by > default. > >> > >> What say all? > >> > >> Brian > >> __
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
A lot of people have no idea of the requirements of a truck and think it is just like a car. Happened to me a couple of times, leave enough room so I can safely and efficiently bring the truck to a stop and some turd in a little buzz box jumps into that space, all of a sudden a relaxed stopping maneuverer turns into a frenzied maximum braking effort. The stupid part is that idiots would not even know that they done anything wrong but think that I was a cowboy truck driver hell bent on trying to scare the brown stuff out of them, when I just managed to bring the truck to a stop a couple of feet off their rear end. Luckily most of the driving I did was out in the bush away from the yuppies and their mobile phones. Of course if you ever rear ended one of these clowns guess who is going to be in the poo for not leaving enough distance. Hendrik who don't mind driving trucks when it all goes well but it never did Fmiser wrote: > Just remember that next time you think of using the space in > front of a big truck! > > The driver has to juggle. > > One - he has a _much_ slower acceleration than a 240 automatic > with a stretched timing chain so he'll want to avoid slowing > down just to speed up. > > Two - it takes a lot of space to stop even a half-loaded big > truck. > > --Philip > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Just remember that next time you think of using the space in front > of a big truck! > > The driver has to juggle. > > One - he has a _much_ slower acceleration than a 240 automatic with > a stretched timing chain so he'll want to avoid slowing down just to > speed up. > > Two - it takes a lot of space to stop even a half-loaded big truck. Three -- if he hits you, you lose. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
It seems than at Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:46:54 -0600, Kaleb wrote: > YEP!! You leave enough distance between you and the car in > front of you and never fails some asshole will come on over > and you are right on their rear, you have to slow way down to > give you more room. Then, the cycle starts all over. > > Hendrik & Fay wrote: > > The problem is that if you leave reaction distance, some > > clown will invariably jump lanes into it. > > > > Hendrik Just remember that next time you think of using the space in front of a big truck! The driver has to juggle. One - he has a _much_ slower acceleration than a 240 automatic with a stretched timing chain so he'll want to avoid slowing down just to speed up. Two - it takes a lot of space to stop even a half-loaded big truck. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
You have to be careful playing those games at speed. A guy who wants to get past, always will in the end, and then, if he decides it's pay back time, things can get ugly. Before pulling out to pass, I always have a good look, to see what's coming up. Regardless of how fast I'm going, before I pull out, if I see a guy closing at a higher rate than me, I give them right of way to overtake first. When I overtake I tend to do it with some speed differential. I'm not one to creep past a car in the right lane. I read a great book years ago by Stirling Moss, which he wrote in the 50's I think, but still a lot of stuff that can be applied today. eg, when over taking a car on a two lane country road, back off a little, and have a run at the car you're overtaking, so as to pass quickly and reduce the time you're exposed to oncoming traffic. Simple common sense stuff, but how often have we seen someone pull out to pass on a two lane, only to see them trying to overtake too many cars at once, and then see them run out of time? The slower your car, the more you have to plan ahead. Often, speed and power are your best friend. ;-) When done right, driving is still a beautiful form of art. Ed 911SC On 31/01/2008, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tailgating is the quickest way to get under my skin when driving. I don't > care if you do stupid things when driving, but tailgating starts to endanger > my car and my passengers. That is crossing the line > > Uusually I drive 5-10 MPH over posted speed limits on the interstate and > very much dislike someone riding my bumper at 80 in the left lane. I use > aggressive tactics when the person comes within 1 car-length. This includes > abruptly slowing to match the speed of the car in the right lane. This > speed will be maintained until the offender backs off at least 2-3 car > lengths at which point I will speed up and finish passing the car on the > right. Flashing your brights at me will lengthen the time taken to move > ahead and over to the right. > > Another thing I tend to enjoy is closely watching the tailgater for that > impatient move to pass me on the right. As soon as they look over their > shoulder and make that move to the right, my right turn signal comes on and > I "innocently" make my move to the right lane. This always adds to their > level of anger and increases their blood pressure. > > My previous '83 SD would spit a bit of wet substance out the rear under > full throttle and that was a WONDERFUL anti-tailgating feature. More than > once a person had backed off my bumper while running their wipers to remove > this mist > > Luther, wishing for rotten egg or skunk sent to be released from my rear > bumper > > > On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:59:15 -0600, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Simple question: If a car in front of you is going slower than you want > to > > go, do you consider it your right to tailgate them? > > Not a trick question. I just want input as the the current mindset out > > there. It may help me understand. > > > > It used to be that, in my circle of friends and acquaintances, > tailgating > > was a sign of aggression. People got into fistfights and sometimes shot > for > > it. But now it seems as I'm tailgated every single time I drive, it > isn't > > personal. The times I've been able to confront someone for doing it, > most of > > them have seemed genuinely clueless why I was mad at them. > > > > To answer the next logical question: I don't drive all that slowly - > just in > > a sane fashion somewhere around the speed limit, or maybe 5 above or 5 > below > > depending on conditions. (talking about in-town here). > > > > And I also do not accelerate that fast because of: Fuel costs, > Environmental > > Issues, Wear and tear on vehicle, and just generally not wishing to be a > > pedal-mashing, non-thinking idiot that stabs the accelerator by default. > > > > What say all? > > > > Brian > > > > > -- > Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark > '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case > '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) > '82 300CD (166 kmi) > '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold > '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
On Jan 30, 2008 8:36 PM, Timothy Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyway, while others would remark about "those crazy Florida tourists, > driving with their turn signal on..." Uncle Floyd explained how on the > autobahn one would drive with the left signal constant to signal drivers in > front the intention of overtaking and passing them. An excellent custom which ought to be adopted in the US as well, I've always thought. It's a clear, unambiguous signal, much better than flashing your high beams, which (a) is obnoxious (b) temporarily blinds the person in front of you if they don't have their mirror set to "night" (c) distracts drivers on the other side of the road and (d) ought to be reserved for more serious alerts, such as warning drivers going the other way of a speed trap. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
What Donald said [I usually take the advice of lawyers]. BillR -Original Message- From: "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: 1/30/08 10:03 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant Brian wrote: "Simple question: If a car in front of you is going slower than you want to go, do you consider it your right to tailgate them? Not a trick question. I just want input as the the current mindset out there. It may help me understand." If you are talking about in town, then my answer is no. I don't tailgate. HOWEVER, if you are talking about the highway, my answer changes. If I am on the highway and someone is in the LEFT lane, then I will get behind you. I won't tailgate initially. I will probably flash my lights and if the car persists in driving in the left lane, then I will creep up until they move. Some might not like it, but, I think the left lane is for passing. If a car is behind you in the left lane, you should get over and let them pass! The left lane is for temporary use when you are passing. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
I agree, I just maintain my speed and move back over to the right after passing when I can. Allan Streib wrote: > Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Uusually I drive 5-10 MPH over posted speed limits on the interstate >> and very much dislike someone riding my bumper at 80 in the left >> lane. > > Then move right. If you are impeding traffic in the left lane you > need to immediately signal your intention to move right and do so at > the next safe opportunity. Ideally you are aware enough of traffic > behind you that you can do this in advance of being tailgated. > > The games you are describing (slowing down, etc.) are childish and > someday might cause a wreck and get someone killed. It doesn't matter > how fast you are already going, even; You are not out there to enforce > speed limits. > > Allan -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant (Zoltan Finks
I work in/commute to a little seasonal tourist town in the mountains. In the summer the population increases ten fold with out of state summer residents, mostly retired. Most transient visitors soon discover how "strict" the local law enforcement is on posted speed limits. Can we say, "speed trap?" For the most part I make note of the state of origin on the license plate in front of me and the fact that the car probably has a "handicapped" flag on the rear view mirror. That's usually a clue to anticipate anything and be prepared. Always avoid the other car's blint spot as the far right lane is the favored left turning lane across five lanes. Also, if a car is equipped with turn signals they're either not used or their purpose is only to remind the driver of which direction they ultimately intend to drive. > From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:42:49 -0600 > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant (Zoltan Finks > > A few taps on the brake will usually get those people off your rear > > Rich Thomas wrote: >> So today I was driving through our little community in the truck. Drove >> past this gorgeous house that was the first $1M house in the area, It >> is a beautiful house, not that I would have paid that for it, but >> whatever. Have seen signs of habitation but never the inhabitants. As >> I was driving by, the garage door opens and a big Lexus SUV starts >> backing out. An absolutely totally stunningly gorgeous young woman >> driving it, I toot the horn as she is just backing right out into the >> street. She looks pissed but stops and then backs out behind me. >> Anyway, she follows me for the next several minutes as we drive through >> the community, stop lights, stop signs, school zone, people walking, >> etc. I usually drive slowly just because it is my community and I don't >> like being a bad citizen in that regard. The whole time she is right on >> my rear bumper, like it is going to get her wherever she is going any >> faster. I was having some fantasies that she was really trying to keep >> up with me so she could follow me home, but then I woke upand >> figured daddy was better off than me, so I stood no chance. >> >> In this case, I did not mind as my mirrors were functioning well and it >> gave me a chance for contemplation >> >> --R >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, > 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, > 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
YEP!! You leave enough distance between you and the car in front of you and never fails some asshole will come on over and you are right on their rear, you have to slow way down to give you more room. Then, the cycle starts all over. Hendrik & Fay wrote: > You need to put a sticker on the back that says in very small writing "I > kill tailgaters for fun and pleasure" > The problem is that if you leave reaction distance, some clown will > invariably jump lanes into it. > > Hendrik > who has learned to switch off to other road users behavior, well > actually no, that's not quite true > > Zoltan Finks wrote: >> Simple question: If a car in front of you is going slower than you want to >> go, do you consider it your right to tailgate them? >> Not a trick question. I just want input as the the current mindset out >> there. It may help me understand. >> >> It used to be that, in my circle of friends and acquaintances, tailgating >> was a sign of aggression. People got into fistfights and sometimes shot for >> it. But now it seems as I'm tailgated every single time I drive, it isn't >> personal. The times I've been able to confront someone for doing it, most of >> them have seemed genuinely clueless why I was mad at them. >> >> To answer the next logical question: I don't drive all that slowly - just in >> a sane fashion somewhere around the speed limit, or maybe 5 above or 5 below >> depending on conditions. (talking about in-town here). >> >> And I also do not accelerate that fast because of: Fuel costs, Environmental >> Issues, Wear and tear on vehicle, and just generally not wishing to be a >> pedal-mashing, non-thinking idiot that stabs the accelerator by default. >> >> What say all? >> >> Brian >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant (Zoltan Finks
A few taps on the brake will usually get those people off your rear Rich Thomas wrote: > So today I was driving through our little community in the truck. Drove > past this gorgeous house that was the first $1M house in the area, It > is a beautiful house, not that I would have paid that for it, but > whatever. Have seen signs of habitation but never the inhabitants. As > I was driving by, the garage door opens and a big Lexus SUV starts > backing out. An absolutely totally stunningly gorgeous young woman > driving it, I toot the horn as she is just backing right out into the > street. She looks pissed but stops and then backs out behind me. > Anyway, she follows me for the next several minutes as we drive through > the community, stop lights, stop signs, school zone, people walking, > etc. I usually drive slowly just because it is my community and I don't > like being a bad citizen in that regard. The whole time she is right on > my rear bumper, like it is going to get her wherever she is going any > faster. I was having some fantasies that she was really trying to keep > up with me so she could follow me home, but then I woke upand > figured daddy was better off than me, so I stood no chance. > > In this case, I did not mind as my mirrors were functioning well and it > gave me a chance for contemplation > > --R > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
No, they do not have the right to tailgate you, they can go around when it is safe to do so. Zoltan Finks wrote: > Simple question: If a car in front of you is going slower than you want to > go, do you consider it your right to tailgate them? > Not a trick question. I just want input as the the current mindset out > there. It may help me understand. > > It used to be that, in my circle of friends and acquaintances, tailgating > was a sign of aggression. People got into fistfights and sometimes shot for > it. But now it seems as I'm tailgated every single time I drive, it isn't > personal. The times I've been able to confront someone for doing it, most of > them have seemed genuinely clueless why I was mad at them. > > To answer the next logical question: I don't drive all that slowly - just in > a sane fashion somewhere around the speed limit, or maybe 5 above or 5 below > depending on conditions. (talking about in-town here). > > And I also do not accelerate that fast because of: Fuel costs, Environmental > Issues, Wear and tear on vehicle, and just generally not wishing to be a > pedal-mashing, non-thinking idiot that stabs the accelerator by default. > > What say all? > > Brian > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Donald Snook wrote: > If you are talking about in town, then my answer is no. I don't > tailgate. HOWEVER, if you are talking about the highway, my answer > changes. If I am on the highway and someone is in the LEFT lane, > then I will get behind you. I won't tailgate initially. I will > probably flash my lights and if the car persists in driving in the > left lane, then I will creep up until they move. Some might not like > it, but, I think the left lane is for passing. If a car is behind > you in the left lane, you should get over and let them pass! The > left lane is for temporary use when you are passing. That about sums up my driving habits on the matter. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Here is the thing about this -- this guy is a dumbass who endangered himself and others on the highway, at high speeds, despite rules and regulations and common sense that say "don't do stupid sh*t like that." So, you gotta ask yourself, will a restraining order have any effect on a stupid dumbass like that, who has already demonstrated absolutely no concern for himself or others, or their property or safety? If the answer to that is the apparent one, then one needs to be prepared to deal with it, whether by driving a safe car in a defensive manner, or by having the means to deal with other stupid dumbass behavior like a direct assault on you (without a car around you for protection) in your driveway or home. No one else is going to be around protecting you minute to minute, and, unfortunately, even stupid dumbasses like that know that and take advantage of it, as he did with his truck on the highway. I would not wish anyone to be the victim of people like that, but the unfortunate reality is that they are all around, and have absolutely no constraints on their behavior as most of us do. We like to think they do, but they don't. In general the risk is pretty low that you will have to deal with a random act, but when some dumbass like that has been goaded on by the consequences of his stupid actions, to do even more stupid actions, not random, then the risk goes way up. That is reality. My parents got victimized significantly by a group of "caregivers" they had in their home, lost a lot of money. I got to sit in court many mornings dealing with this. I got a real education about the world most of us never have to deal with, and I was shocked at how pervasive lowlife behavior is. Talking with the prosecutors shocked me even more, because they have so much stuff to deal with, only the really violent cases are given much effort, and the others are sent on their way with probation deals or fines or whatever (no room to lock them up), and then they are back again next month for not complying, or some other stupid (worse) thing they have done. Scary stuff but that is reality. --R LarryT wrote: > Rich wrote <> > > Couldn't have said it better myself -- > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:49 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant > > > >> And let him know you have two large friends named Smith and Wesson. >> >> --R >> >> LarryT wrote: >> >>> You might want a restraining order forcing him >>> to keep his distance. >>> >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Uusually I drive 5-10 MPH over posted speed limits on the interstate > and very much dislike someone riding my bumper at 80 in the left > lane. Then move right. If you are impeding traffic in the left lane you need to immediately signal your intention to move right and do so at the next safe opportunity. Ideally you are aware enough of traffic behind you that you can do this in advance of being tailgated. The games you are describing (slowing down, etc.) are childish and someday might cause a wreck and get someone killed. It doesn't matter how fast you are already going, even; You are not out there to enforce speed limits. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Rich wrote <> Couldn't have said it better myself -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant > And let him know you have two large friends named Smith and Wesson. > > --R > > LarryT wrote: >> You might want a restraining order forcing him >> to keep his distance. >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Zoltan Finks wrote: > And yes, the amount tailgating gets under my skin is directly proportionate > to how much I like the car I'm driving, or whom I have as passengers. The last time I got severely pissed at a tailgater was probably over ten years ago. Oh, crap, there's great aunt Vera's car in front of me doing 35. Oh, well, her house is only a mile away. So I'm tooling along at 35 in fourth, hanging far enough back that I won't have to brake when we get to her house. An Eclipse goes past me, slams on the brakes and sits 10-15' off this 85 year old woman's bumper. Now this particular old woman is one of my mom's favorite aunts. The carfull of morons nearly stops as she makes her turn, then whips out into the left lane, with me on their bumper. 15 seconds later, we're going down this narrow two lane road at about 80, with my car 20-30' behind theirs. It was nerve-wracking to me, and I hope it was for them too. I intended to do the 10' that they had done, but I just couldn't do it, too scary. A couple of miles later we came to a stop sign, they turned right, I turned left. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And let him know you have two large friends named Smith and Wesson. --R LarryT wrote: > You might want a restraining order forcing him > to keep his distance. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Hi Richard, Sounds like you were lucky to come out without getting hurt. Hopefully they can keep some of your identifying info from him - he sounds like someone who likes to do stupid things. You might want a restraining order forcing him to keep his distance. Or maybe I;m overreacting - Good luck- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Richard Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant > Interesting that you ask this question. > > Just yesterday I was being tailgated by an F150. I was in my 300D right > lane > of I-40 here in OKC in a left hand curve we call the Tinker diagonal. He > was > so close all I could see was grill. I was doing 60, speed limit was 50, > left > lane was doing maybe 5mph faster than me. I let off the gas and slowed to > 50. I just new trouble was coming. He whipped into the left lane, got > halfway past me, then started changing lanes right into me. While there is > a > shoulder there it was covered with salt and sand from our last freeze. I > just knew if I got on that I would slide right into the concrete barrier, > and he would drive off and I would be left with a totaled car that I only > carry liability insurance on. I stayed in my lane and got on the breaks > (abs > seems to work just fine), but he was still going to hit me unless I headed > for the barrier. Well I held my lane. His right rear clipped my front > left. > > Two people stopped and left me names and numbers. The highway patrolman > called them and the both said pretty much what I had already told the > officer, but one of them did say she was in the left lane and the truck > could not have been more than 2 feet off my bumper. > > Now I am going to have to find a new left front finder, turn signal, and > headlight. He on the other hand is going to have to replace his totaled > truck, and pay about $400 in tickets, and probably higher insurance > premiums. He ended up on the shoulder and slide right into that concrete > barrier. > > So no, I do not think it is ever acceptable to tailgate. That being said I > have done it, and plan to give myself a timeout if I ever do it again!!! > > On 1/30/08, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Simple question: If a car in front of you is going slower than you want >> to >> go, do you consider it your right to tailgate them? >> Not a trick question. I just want input as the the current mindset out >> there. It may help me understand. >> >> It used to be that, in my circle of friends and acquaintances, tailgating >> was a sign of aggression. People got into fistfights and sometimes shot >> for >> it. But now it seems as I'm tailgated every single time I drive, it isn't >> personal. The times I've been able to confront someone for doing it, most >> of >> them have seemed genuinely clueless why I was mad at them. >> >> To answer the next logical question: I don't drive all that slowly - just >> in >> a sane fashion somewhere around the speed limit, or maybe 5 above or 5 >> below >> depending on conditions. (talking about in-town here). >> >> And I also do not accelerate that fast because of: Fuel costs, >> Environmental >> Issues, Wear and tear on vehicle, and just generally not wishing to be a >> pedal-mashing, non-thinking idiot that stabs the accelerator by default. >> >> What say all? >> >> Brian >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > > -- > OK Richard 1987 300D 193k with miles and miles to go!!! > Midwest City, Oklahoma > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My travelled stretch of I-40 is under perpetualy "construction." Most of that construction is going on at night... so seems when there's not a bottleneck of traffic it's a "work zone" with speeds posted 50 mph. A section of my drive crosses the Biltmore Estate (and vineyards). Having killed one deer in the past, I'm always paranoid at night as the deer come from nowhere. > From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:11:34 -0500 > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant > > The speed limits on Interstates vary by location - lowest usually being 55 > and 75 being the highest. For instance, here, I95 just outside or town, as > you get closer it drops to 60 then down to 55. > > I've heard Montana or Wy has some relaxed enforcement. ;-) > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 10:24 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant > > >> Timothy R. wrote: "When I zoom along at 60 mph on I-40, right lane, >> sunroof open, . . ." >> >> Are you being sarcastic when you say zoom along at 60 mph? On an >> interstate? That is NOT zooming along. I don't drive slower than 75 on >> the interstate - the speed limit is 70, isn't it? >> >> Donald H. Snook >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
> From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:20:38 -0500 > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant > > We owned a '71 VW Beetle for > years and I used to drive it like it was a 911 and I flog that little car > pretty hard. When I was young "with the reflexes".. I once owned a 1976 VW SuperBettle. Always felt like I had to lead the pack on the highway. I'd open the sunroof, turn the aftermarket 8 track loud (hate to admit, "Barry Manilow") and drive like a Golden Eagle pusher with the sound of the engine at the rear. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The speed limits on Interstates vary by location - lowest usually being 55 and 75 being the highest. For instance, here, I95 just outside or town, as you get closer it drops to 60 then down to 55. I've heard Montana or Wy has some relaxed enforcement. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant > Timothy R. wrote: "When I zoom along at 60 mph on I-40, right lane, > sunroof open, . . ." > > Are you being sarcastic when you say zoom along at 60 mph? On an > interstate? That is NOT zooming along. I don't drive slower than 75 on > the interstate - the speed limit is 70, isn't it? > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK - I've learned yet another thing on this list! Four seconds it is. > > I took a Lab-sponsored defensive driving course -- they said four seconds. > > > Craig -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Timothy makes some great points - especially about treating older people as
we'd like our parents to be treated.
I never tailgate, but when I come upon someine in the passing lane I often
flash my lights - not that they would know what they means. Then I wait
for them to move over. Not that I have someplace to be I just happen to
enjoy driving fast.
But I also try to avoid driving at times then I am likely to be caught in
heavy traffic - 7-9AM and 3-6pm being the times I avoid the most. But to me
TG'g is one of the most dangerous acts there are - the other being stopping
in the on ramp to the Interstate.
As far as young drivers who are often inpatient, yep, that seems to be the
case. It must be great to be young and have great reflexes! I had them
once. ;-\But I don;t think they get good driving classes - they can pass
the test but are not taught to drive, IMHO.
Actually I think about my driving habits often. I've wanted a 911 (and a
Cobra, GT40, Ferrari, etc) for as long as I was driving - and now that I
realize what kind of driver I would have been if I'd been able to drive one
of them it probably would have killed me. We owned a '71 VW Beetle for
years and I used to drive it like it was a 911 and I flog that little car
pretty hard.
Take care ya'll --
Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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- Original Message -
From: "Timothy Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
>I don't like being "pushed." I drive conservatively (no political reference
> intended). I get tired of "kids" tailgating or zooming around me or
> passing
> impatiently on the mountain two lane... still, I can "smoke 'em" if I want
> to.
>
> Uncles, dad, etc. drive under the speed limit at leisure on the nine mile
> two lane going toward the main highway. It's not uncommon to see a string
> of
> a dozen cars behind them as they drive 35mph in a 45 zone.
>
> I try NOT to tailgate as: #1. That could be my parents in front of me and
> I'd hope others would be considerate. #2. With age, eyesight, diminished
> reaction time; I don't want to pressure someone to drive faster than their
> ability. It kinda boils down to manners. I'd no sooner tailgate than I'd
> push through a line at the J&S Cafeteria during the early bird special.
>
> I'm only 48 y/o but I remember when I was always in a hurry, under
> pressure
> and "maxed out" as it seems most people on the highway are today. When I
> zoom along at 60 mph on I-40, right lane, sunroof open, heat on max, NPR
> ("Car Talk") blaring, I'm amazed the cars passing in a blink like they
> have
> someplace busy to be. Sometimes I'm tempted to honk and wave when I see
> them
> pulled by a blue light ahead.
>
>
>
>> From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:59:15 -0800
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
>> Subject: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
>>
>> Simple question: If a car in front of you is going slower than you want
>> to
>> go, do you consider it your right to tailgate them?
>> Not a trick question. I just want input as the the current mindset out
>> there. It may help me understand.
>>
>> It used to be that, in my circle of friends and acquaintances, tailgating
>> was a sign of aggression. People got into fistfights and sometimes shot
>> for
>> it. But now it seems as I'm tailgated every single time I drive, it isn't
>> personal. The times I've been able to confront someone for doing it, most
>> of
>> them have seemed genuinely clueless why I was mad at them.
>>
>> To answer the next logical question: I don't drive all that slowly - just
>> in
>> a sane fashion somewhere around the speed limit, or maybe 5 above or 5
>> below
>> depending on conditions. (talking about in-town here).
>>
>> And I also do not accelerate that fast because of: Fuel costs,
>> Environmental
>> Issues, Wear and tear on vehicle, and just generally not wishing to be a
>> pedal-mashing, non-thinking idiot that stabs the accelerator by default.
>>
>> What say all?
>>
>> Brian
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> For new
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
when seems the old Audi 5000 and VW Rabbit could belch more soot. There don't seem to be very many Audi 5000 Diesels rolling around anymore. I know of one that has been coming up on CL for $1300 or so. It has ugly paint and some sort of fuel delivery problem (associated to bioD most likely). They definitely have a different 5cyl sound from that of the 300D/SD. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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AH... admitting to a liability! Only time I put up a "beware of dog" sign was at a house where I didn't have a dog. To connect the tailgating OT rant with the one about mental illness, why not just do a bumper sticker about "Psychotics Annon" or "I'm schitzophrenic and so am I" ? "My Rice Crispies will tell me who you are." > From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:31:30 -0800 > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant > > Yeah, I know. Same thing with posting a beware of dog sign. Could be argued > that you knew a danger existed. > Brian > > On Jan 30, 2008 11:26 PM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> You need to put a sticker on the back that says in very small writing >>> "I >>> kill tailgaters for fun and pleasure" >> >> My my, such violence! >> >> If you actually _did_ manage to have some such fun and pleasure, >> the presence of said sticker would not look well for you in one >> of our many fine courts that are here to serve us. (On toast.) >> >> -- Jim >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OY... one time I considered why not install a little LED text unit in the rear window to tell those behind just what I thought... I rarely have tailgaters as I do keep in the right lanes of the interstates and no one seems interested in moving along at posted speed as I. I do remember in the early 1980s when seems the old Audi 5000 and VW Rabbit could belch more soot. I could put out quite a smoke screen if I geared just right (which also involved having to switch the a/c compressor off on grades). I guess more than tailgating I dislike being followed to closely at night with the "blue" headlights glaring in the rearview mirror. It makes the guage illumination more difficult... as I'm more often watching that I AM making the speed rather than exceeding the limit. It's havoc on bifocals with +10 lense. Can we say, "Mr. Magoo?" > From: Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:23:56 -0600 > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant > > Tailgating is the quickest way to get under my skin when driving. I don't > care if you do stupid things when driving, but tailgating starts to endanger > my car and my passengers. That is crossing the line > > Uusually I drive 5-10 MPH over posted speed limits on the interstate and very > much dislike someone riding my bumper at 80 in the left lane. I use > aggressive tactics when the person comes within 1 car-length. This includes > abruptly slowing to match the speed of the car in the right lane. This speed > will be maintained until the offender backs off at least 2-3 car lengths at > which point I will speed up and finish passing the car on the right. Flashing > your brights at me will lengthen the time taken to move ahead and over to the > right. > > Another thing I tend to enjoy is closely watching the tailgater for that > impatient move to pass me on the right. As soon as they look over their > shoulder and make that move to the right, my right turn signal comes on and I > "innocently" make my move to the right lane. This always adds to their level > of anger and increases their blood pressure. > > My previous '83 SD would spit a bit of wet substance out the rear under full > throttle and that was a WONDERFUL anti-tailgating feature. More than once a > person had backed off my bumper while running their wipers to remove this > mist > > Luther, wishing for rotten egg or skunk sent to be released from my rear > bumper > > On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:59:15 -0600, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Simple question: If a car in front of you is going slower than you want to >> go, do you consider it your right to tailgate them? >> Not a trick question. I just want input as the the current mindset out >> there. It may help me understand. >> >> It used to be that, in my circle of friends and acquaintances, tailgating >> was a sign of aggression. People got into fistfights and sometimes shot for >> it. But now it seems as I'm tailgated every single time I drive, it isn't >> personal. The times I've been able to confront someone for doing it, most of >> them have seemed genuinely clueless why I was mad at them. >> >> To answer the next logical question: I don't drive all that slowly - just in >> a sane fashion somewhere around the speed limit, or maybe 5 above or 5 below >> depending on conditions. (talking about in-town here). >> >> And I also do not accelerate that fast because of: Fuel costs, Environmental >> Issues, Wear and tear on vehicle, and just generally not wishing to be a >> pedal-mashing, non-thinking idiot that stabs the accelerator by default. >> >> What say all? >> >> Brian >> > > -- > Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark > '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case > '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) > '82 300CD (166 kmi) > '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold > '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Yeah, I know. Same thing with posting a beware of dog sign. Could be argued that you knew a danger existed. Brian On Jan 30, 2008 11:26 PM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You need to put a sticker on the back that says in very small writing > > "I > > kill tailgaters for fun and pleasure" > > My my, such violence! > > If you actually _did_ manage to have some such fun and pleasure, > the presence of said sticker would not look well for you in one > of our many fine courts that are here to serve us. (On toast.) > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Hahaha. Sounds familiar - your thoughts. Could have come right out of my head. I reward good behavior and punish bad behavior. If someone displays driving etiquette and doesn't ride my tail, I may go ahead and drive faster than normal in order to make their day nicer. And yes, the amount tailgating gets under my skin is directly proportionate to how much I like the car I'm driving, or whom I have as passengers. I have had tailgaters with both our dogs right up against the rear window of our CRV. Oh, and my wife in the car too. I'm often glad I'm not driving my old muscle car anymore - I really took things personally with my baby. Brian On Jan 30, 2008 11:23 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tailgating is the quickest way to get under my skin when driving. I don't > care if you do stupid things when driving, but tailgating starts to endanger > my car and my passengers. That is crossing the line > > Uusually I drive 5-10 MPH over posted speed limits on the interstate and > very much dislike someone riding my bumper at 80 in the left lane. I use > aggressive tactics when the person comes within 1 car-length. This includes > abruptly slowing to match the speed of the car in the right lane. This > speed will be maintained until the offender backs off at least 2-3 car > lengths at which point I will speed up and finish passing the car on the > right. Flashing your brights at me will lengthen the time taken to move > ahead and over to the right. > > Another thing I tend to enjoy is closely watching the tailgater for that > impatient move to pass me on the right. As soon as they look over their > shoulder and make that move to the right, my right turn signal comes on and > I "innocently" make my move to the right lane. This always adds to their > level of anger and increases their blood pressure. > > My previous '83 SD would spit a bit of wet substance out the rear under > full throttle and that was a WONDERFUL anti-tailgating feature. More than > once a person had backed off my bumper while running their wipers to remove > this mist > > Luther, wishing for rotten egg or skunk sent to be released from my rear > bumper > > On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:59:15 -0600, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Simple question: If a car in front of you is going slower than you want > to > > go, do you consider it your right to tailgate them? > > Not a trick question. I just want input as the the current mindset out > > there. It may help me understand. > > > > It used to be that, in my circle of friends and acquaintances, > tailgating > > was a sign of aggression. People got into fistfights and sometimes shot > for > > it. But now it seems as I'm tailgated every single time I drive, it > isn't > > personal. The times I've been able to confront someone for doing it, > most of > > them have seemed genuinely clueless why I was mad at them. > > > > To answer the next logical question: I don't drive all that slowly - > just in > > a sane fashion somewhere around the speed limit, or maybe 5 above or 5 > below > > depending on conditions. (talking about in-town here). > > > > And I also do not accelerate that fast because of: Fuel costs, > Environmental > > Issues, Wear and tear on vehicle, and just generally not wishing to be a > > pedal-mashing, non-thinking idiot that stabs the accelerator by default. > > > > What say all? > > > > Brian > > > > -- > Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark > '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case > '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) > '82 300CD (166 kmi) > '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold > '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
> You need to put a sticker on the back that says in very small writing > "I > kill tailgaters for fun and pleasure" My my, such violence! If you actually _did_ manage to have some such fun and pleasure, the presence of said sticker would not look well for you in one of our many fine courts that are here to serve us. (On toast.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Now that's interesting, Curt. You may have the restraint not to tailgate, but clearly, you have what it takes. Why is going 5 under so unacceptable? I always slow down according to my perception of the conditions in terms of safety. Yes, my perceptions are probably vastly different than those of many, but I hold firm that I am correct, and I don't let the behavior of the masses change my thought-out behavior. I'm talking about things like the presence of side streets or driveways. And I always slow down as I approach intersections. I also exceed the limit when I feel it's safe. Another thing I am very concerned about is preserving my spotless driving record. Yes, I know I would never survive driving in any major city. Curt wrote: 5mph under? Is it snowing or blinding rain? When somebody in front of me is going slow like that I generally have to give myself a timeout... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Tailgating is the quickest way to get under my skin when driving. I don't care if you do stupid things when driving, but tailgating starts to endanger my car and my passengers. That is crossing the line Uusually I drive 5-10 MPH over posted speed limits on the interstate and very much dislike someone riding my bumper at 80 in the left lane. I use aggressive tactics when the person comes within 1 car-length. This includes abruptly slowing to match the speed of the car in the right lane. This speed will be maintained until the offender backs off at least 2-3 car lengths at which point I will speed up and finish passing the car on the right. Flashing your brights at me will lengthen the time taken to move ahead and over to the right. Another thing I tend to enjoy is closely watching the tailgater for that impatient move to pass me on the right. As soon as they look over their shoulder and make that move to the right, my right turn signal comes on and I "innocently" make my move to the right lane. This always adds to their level of anger and increases their blood pressure. My previous '83 SD would spit a bit of wet substance out the rear under full throttle and that was a WONDERFUL anti-tailgating feature. More than once a person had backed off my bumper while running their wipers to remove this mist Luther, wishing for rotten egg or skunk sent to be released from my rear bumper On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:59:15 -0600, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Simple question: If a car in front of you is going slower than you want to > go, do you consider it your right to tailgate them? > Not a trick question. I just want input as the the current mindset out > there. It may help me understand. > > It used to be that, in my circle of friends and acquaintances, tailgating > was a sign of aggression. People got into fistfights and sometimes shot for > it. But now it seems as I'm tailgated every single time I drive, it isn't > personal. The times I've been able to confront someone for doing it, most of > them have seemed genuinely clueless why I was mad at them. > > To answer the next logical question: I don't drive all that slowly - just in > a sane fashion somewhere around the speed limit, or maybe 5 above or 5 below > depending on conditions. (talking about in-town here). > > And I also do not accelerate that fast because of: Fuel costs, Environmental > Issues, Wear and tear on vehicle, and just generally not wishing to be a > pedal-mashing, non-thinking idiot that stabs the accelerator by default. > > What say all? > > Brian > -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Funny you mention bumper stickers. As a supposed graphic artist, I have made a few t-shirts, and would love to move into the realm of bumper stickers. I have thought of this a lot recently. Here are two that I would love to make: "You grow up, then I'll speed up" "Back off so I can see the frustration on your face" Brian On Jan 30, 2008 9:16 PM, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You need to put a sticker on the back that says in very small writing "I > kill tailgaters for fun and pleasure" > The problem is that if you leave reaction distance, some clown will > invariably jump lanes into it. > > Hendrik > who has learned to switch off to other road users behavior, well > actually no, that's not quite true > > Zoltan Finks wrote: > > Simple question: If a car in front of you is going slower than you want > to > > go, do you consider it your right to tailgate them? > > Not a trick question. I just want input as the the current mindset out > > there. It may help me understand. > > > > It used to be that, in my circle of friends and acquaintances, > tailgating > > was a sign of aggression. People got into fistfights and sometimes shot > for > > it. But now it seems as I'm tailgated every single time I drive, it > isn't > > personal. The times I've been able to confront someone for doing it, > most of > > them have seemed genuinely clueless why I was mad at them. > > > > To answer the next logical question: I don't drive all that slowly - > just in > > a sane fashion somewhere around the speed limit, or maybe 5 above or 5 > below > > depending on conditions. (talking about in-town here). > > > > And I also do not accelerate that fast because of: Fuel costs, > Environmental > > Issues, Wear and tear on vehicle, and just generally not wishing to be a > > pedal-mashing, non-thinking idiot that stabs the accelerator by default. > > > > What say all? > > > > Brian > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Donald... Not really being sarcastic. I really don't exceed the posted on the interstate. My daily little curved stretch of I-40W is indeed posted 60mph. I did mean to say "putt" as most vehicles pass me and I'm content to stay in the far right lane and never have a problem making my 27 minute trip on time. When most drivers see a twenty-four year old navy blue Mercedes diesel they assume they must overtake me so I let them. Once in a while when someone is trying to merge and some idiot decides to pass and cut us both off I'll show that there's plenty of headroom. Most of the time though I'm content to just move with the flow in the right lane. My private joke in the summer as carloads of "tourists" pass (seven days per, six months May-Oct.) is that I "have the keys to the park in my pocket and they ain't getting in until I get there anyway." > From: Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:24:49 -0600 > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant > > Timothy R. wrote: "When I zoom along at 60 mph on I-40, right lane, sunroof > open, . . ." > > Are you being sarcastic when you say zoom along at 60 mph? On an interstate? > That is NOT zooming along. I don't drive slower than 75 on the interstate - > the speed limit is 70, isn't it? > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
You need to put a sticker on the back that says in very small writing "I kill tailgaters for fun and pleasure" The problem is that if you leave reaction distance, some clown will invariably jump lanes into it. Hendrik who has learned to switch off to other road users behavior, well actually no, that's not quite true Zoltan Finks wrote: > Simple question: If a car in front of you is going slower than you want to > go, do you consider it your right to tailgate them? > Not a trick question. I just want input as the the current mindset out > there. It may help me understand. > > It used to be that, in my circle of friends and acquaintances, tailgating > was a sign of aggression. People got into fistfights and sometimes shot for > it. But now it seems as I'm tailgated every single time I drive, it isn't > personal. The times I've been able to confront someone for doing it, most of > them have seemed genuinely clueless why I was mad at them. > > To answer the next logical question: I don't drive all that slowly - just in > a sane fashion somewhere around the speed limit, or maybe 5 above or 5 below > depending on conditions. (talking about in-town here). > > And I also do not accelerate that fast because of: Fuel costs, Environmental > Issues, Wear and tear on vehicle, and just generally not wishing to be a > pedal-mashing, non-thinking idiot that stabs the accelerator by default. > > What say all? > > Brian > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:12:49 -0600 "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Back to the OT topic - you should never be less than two seconds > behind the car in front of you. I took a Lab-sponsored defensive driving course -- they said four seconds. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Crap! Sorry to hear about the car -- but glad that you are OK. Kind of reminds me of when Bob ended up rolling his van. Back to the OT topic - you should never be less than two seconds behind the car in front of you. On Jan 30, 2008 11:03 PM, Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Interesting that you ask this question. > > Just yesterday I was being tailgated by an F150. I was in my 300D right lane > of I-40 here in OKC in a left hand curve we call the Tinker diagonal. He was > so close all I could see was grill. I was doing 60, speed limit was 50, left > lane was doing maybe 5mph faster than me. I let off the gas and slowed to > 50. I just new trouble was coming. He whipped into the left lane, got > halfway past me, then started changing lanes right into me. While there is a > shoulder there it was covered with salt and sand from our last freeze. I > just knew if I got on that I would slide right into the concrete barrier, > and he would drive off and I would be left with a totaled car that I only > carry liability insurance on. I stayed in my lane and got on the breaks (abs > seems to work just fine), but he was still going to hit me unless I headed > for the barrier. Well I held my lane. His right rear clipped my front left. > > Two people stopped and left me names and numbers. The highway patrolman > called them and the both said pretty much what I had already told the > officer, but one of them did say she was in the left lane and the truck > could not have been more than 2 feet off my bumper. > > Now I am going to have to find a new left front finder, turn signal, and > headlight. He on the other hand is going to have to replace his totaled > truck, and pay about $400 in tickets, and probably higher insurance > premiums. He ended up on the shoulder and slide right into that concrete > barrier. > > So no, I do not think it is ever acceptable to tailgate. That being said I > have done it, and plan to give myself a timeout if I ever do it again!!! > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Interesting that you ask this question. Just yesterday I was being tailgated by an F150. I was in my 300D right lane of I-40 here in OKC in a left hand curve we call the Tinker diagonal. He was so close all I could see was grill. I was doing 60, speed limit was 50, left lane was doing maybe 5mph faster than me. I let off the gas and slowed to 50. I just new trouble was coming. He whipped into the left lane, got halfway past me, then started changing lanes right into me. While there is a shoulder there it was covered with salt and sand from our last freeze. I just knew if I got on that I would slide right into the concrete barrier, and he would drive off and I would be left with a totaled car that I only carry liability insurance on. I stayed in my lane and got on the breaks (abs seems to work just fine), but he was still going to hit me unless I headed for the barrier. Well I held my lane. His right rear clipped my front left. Two people stopped and left me names and numbers. The highway patrolman called them and the both said pretty much what I had already told the officer, but one of them did say she was in the left lane and the truck could not have been more than 2 feet off my bumper. Now I am going to have to find a new left front finder, turn signal, and headlight. He on the other hand is going to have to replace his totaled truck, and pay about $400 in tickets, and probably higher insurance premiums. He ended up on the shoulder and slide right into that concrete barrier. So no, I do not think it is ever acceptable to tailgate. That being said I have done it, and plan to give myself a timeout if I ever do it again!!! On 1/30/08, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Simple question: If a car in front of you is going slower than you want to > go, do you consider it your right to tailgate them? > Not a trick question. I just want input as the the current mindset out > there. It may help me understand. > > It used to be that, in my circle of friends and acquaintances, tailgating > was a sign of aggression. People got into fistfights and sometimes shot > for > it. But now it seems as I'm tailgated every single time I drive, it isn't > personal. The times I've been able to confront someone for doing it, most > of > them have seemed genuinely clueless why I was mad at them. > > To answer the next logical question: I don't drive all that slowly - just > in > a sane fashion somewhere around the speed limit, or maybe 5 above or 5 > below > depending on conditions. (talking about in-town here). > > And I also do not accelerate that fast because of: Fuel costs, > Environmental > Issues, Wear and tear on vehicle, and just generally not wishing to be a > pedal-mashing, non-thinking idiot that stabs the accelerator by default. > > What say all? > > Brian > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- OK Richard 1987 300D 193k with miles and miles to go!!! Midwest City, Oklahoma ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant (Zoltan Finks
So today I was driving through our little community in the truck. Drove past this gorgeous house that was the first $1M house in the area, It is a beautiful house, not that I would have paid that for it, but whatever. Have seen signs of habitation but never the inhabitants. As I was driving by, the garage door opens and a big Lexus SUV starts backing out. An absolutely totally stunningly gorgeous young woman driving it, I toot the horn as she is just backing right out into the street. She looks pissed but stops and then backs out behind me. Anyway, she follows me for the next several minutes as we drive through the community, stop lights, stop signs, school zone, people walking, etc. I usually drive slowly just because it is my community and I don't like being a bad citizen in that regard. The whole time she is right on my rear bumper, like it is going to get her wherever she is going any faster. I was having some fantasies that she was really trying to keep up with me so she could follow me home, but then I woke upand figured daddy was better off than me, so I stood no chance. In this case, I did not mind as my mirrors were functioning well and it gave me a chance for contemplation --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
MB CONTENT! My uncle was considered the "connoisseur" when he retire and moved back to the states. He had an "educated" palate when it came to foods, wines or hearty beers. His retirement was spent rockhounding, playing golf or a game of cribbage. I remember the little case in which he carried his billiard cue. Mercedes was his "machine of choice" and he could spend hours telling me there was no comparison with my grandfather's '57 turquoise BelAir. Uncle's 220 "Pontoon" travelled with him from Europe to the Canal Zone (Panama) and finally to the rural mountains of Western North Carolina. I'd be hard pressed to decide which intrigued me more, the Mercedes or getting to look at naked native women in his monthly subscription of "National Geographic." Anyway, while others would remark about "those crazy Florida tourists, driving with their turn signal on..." Uncle Floyd explained how on the autobahn one would drive with the left signal constant to signal drivers in front the intention of overtaking and passing them. Just as the autobahns were restricted to vehicles capable of maintaining a certain speed, he would curse that some of the slower drivers here in the states should not be allowed access to the interstates. > From: Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:03:09 -0600 > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant > > Brian wrote: "Simple question: If a car in front of you is going slower than > you want to go, do you consider it your right to tailgate them? Not a trick > question. I just want input as the the current mindset out there. It may help > me understand." > > If you are talking about in town, then my answer is no. I don't tailgate. > HOWEVER, if you are talking about the highway, my answer changes. If I am on > the highway and someone is in the LEFT lane, then I will get behind you. I > won't tailgate initially. I will probably flash my lights and if the car > persists in driving in the left lane, then I will creep up until they move. > Some might not like it, but, I think the left lane is for passing. If a car > is behind you in the left lane, you should get over and let them pass! The > left lane is for temporary use when you are passing. > > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
No. Never. You can't react in time if they do something that you don't anticipate, then you've rear ended them. Just go around them. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Timothy R. wrote: "When I zoom along at 60 mph on I-40, right lane, sunroof open, . . ." Are you being sarcastic when you say zoom along at 60 mph? On an interstate? That is NOT zooming along. I don't drive slower than 75 on the interstate - the speed limit is 70, isn't it? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
I don't like being "pushed." I drive conservatively (no political reference
intended). I get tired of "kids" tailgating or zooming around me or passing
impatiently on the mountain two lane... still, I can "smoke 'em" if I want
to.
Uncles, dad, etc. drive under the speed limit at leisure on the nine mile
two lane going toward the main highway. It's not uncommon to see a string of
a dozen cars behind them as they drive 35mph in a 45 zone.
I try NOT to tailgate as: #1. That could be my parents in front of me and
I'd hope others would be considerate. #2. With age, eyesight, diminished
reaction time; I don't want to pressure someone to drive faster than their
ability. It kinda boils down to manners. I'd no sooner tailgate than I'd
push through a line at the J&S Cafeteria during the early bird special.
I'm only 48 y/o but I remember when I was always in a hurry, under pressure
and "maxed out" as it seems most people on the highway are today. When I
zoom along at 60 mph on I-40, right lane, sunroof open, heat on max, NPR
("Car Talk") blaring, I'm amazed the cars passing in a blink like they have
someplace busy to be. Sometimes I'm tempted to honk and wave when I see them
pulled by a blue light ahead.
> From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:59:15 -0800
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> Subject: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
>
> Simple question: If a car in front of you is going slower than you want to
> go, do you consider it your right to tailgate them?
> Not a trick question. I just want input as the the current mindset out
> there. It may help me understand.
>
> It used to be that, in my circle of friends and acquaintances, tailgating
> was a sign of aggression. People got into fistfights and sometimes shot for
> it. But now it seems as I'm tailgated every single time I drive, it isn't
> personal. The times I've been able to confront someone for doing it, most of
> them have seemed genuinely clueless why I was mad at them.
>
> To answer the next logical question: I don't drive all that slowly - just in
> a sane fashion somewhere around the speed limit, or maybe 5 above or 5 below
> depending on conditions. (talking about in-town here).
>
> And I also do not accelerate that fast because of: Fuel costs, Environmental
> Issues, Wear and tear on vehicle, and just generally not wishing to be a
> pedal-mashing, non-thinking idiot that stabs the accelerator by default.
>
> What say all?
>
> Brian
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Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
Tailgating is never acceptable. I won't say I've never done it or haven't thought about doing it but if you're bringing aggression into the car you need a timeout. 5mph under? Is it snowing or blinding rain? When somebody in front of me is going slow like that I generally have to give myself a timeout... As for acceleration Marshall said and I agree that in a 240D or 190D theres pretty much no reason not to use all there is if its safe and sane to do so. You do NOT get better economy with slower starts. Try it if you don't believe me. I keep almost insane track of my mileage and have not been able to see any difference... On my cars max speed seems to be the only driving related parameter that makes any difference although I have not tried any hypermileing techniques. -Curt Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:59:15 -0800 From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Simple question: If a car in front of you is going slower than you want to go, do you consider it your right to tailgate them? Not a trick question. I just want input as the the current mindset out there. It may help me understand. It used to be that, in my circle of friends and acquaintances, tailgating was a sign of aggression. People got into fistfights and sometimes shot for it. But now it seems as I'm tailgated every single time I drive, it isn't personal. The times I've been able to confront someone for doing it, most of them have seemed genuinely clueless why I was mad at them. To answer the next logical question: I don't drive all that slowly - just in a sane fashion somewhere around the speed limit, or maybe 5 above or 5 below depending on conditions. (talking about in-town here). And I also do not accelerate that fast because of: Fuel costs, Environmental Issues, Wear and tear on vehicle, and just generally not wishing to be a pedal-mashing, non-thinking idiot that stabs the accelerator by default. What say all? Brian - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Taking a Poll on Tailgating - Not a Rant
> And I also do not accelerate that fast because of: Fuel costs, Environmental > Issues, Wear and tear on vehicle, and just generally not wishing to be a > pedal-mashing, non-thinking idiot that stabs the accelerator by default. > > What say all? > > Brian If you are driving a 240d or a 190d, you need to mash the pedal to the floor. That will get you accelerating at a modest clip and fog whomever is behind you with a cloud of dark soot. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
