Re: [newbie-it] X window non parte
On Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 03:37:31PM +0100, sim82 wrote: Se vedi che i dati sono fuori gamma per il tuo monitor, prova o a metterne a mano di più adatti opuure dai tool di configurazione prova a schegliere dei monitor più "calmi". Sappimi dire cosa succede :-) E se il tuo monitor non è un multifrequenza? Appunto, leggi: # HorizSync may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a # comma separated list of ranges of values. Metti i valori fissi, separati da virgole (45,50, ecc..) Oppure il singolo valore supportato. Se hai fortuna tra le frequenze già configurate per la scheda video, xfree ne trova una che va bene e parte. ALtrimenti riscrivi che vediamo come cavarci i piedi. Comunque, quando le cose si complicano, c'è sempre un xfree howto :-) -- Fabio Coatti http://www.ferrara.linux.it/members/cova Ferrara Linux Users Group http://ferrara.linux.it GnuPG fp:9765 A5B6 6843 17BC A646 BE8C FA56 373A 5374 C703 Old SysOps never die... they simply forget their password.
[newbie-it] Ma uno come me che non sa niente di informatica ocme cavolaccio fa???
Gentili utenti iscritti a questa benedetta (maledetta) lista . mi dispiace io ci ho provato con Linux Mandrake 7.1 (tanto che lo ho comprato in negozio perchè mi dessero il manuale, che alla finenon si è dimostrato un gran che, perchè . vabehh) ma non ci ho capito nulla di come funziona questo sistema operativo! Tanto che penso che ritornerò, quasi sicuramente a Windows98. Prime difficoltà trovate, non riscivo ad installarlo neanche sottolnux4win (che mi sono costate un bel dual boot di assistenza circa cioè 150 mila lire,con 150 carte me ne compravo una cariola di software!) Poi finito il dual boot provo con kppp come c'è scrittoin quel maledetto manuale! Eniente non funziona nulla, zero, nada! Vado così dall'assistenza tecnica e mi dicono dopo3 settimane!!! Infattipochi lousano e il tecnico ha dovuto faticare un sacco per dirmi che devo fare una stringa di inizializzazione che non so neanche cosa sia! Che devo andaredentro come root, etc. Insomma se voglio che la macchina funzioni per internet devo portargli la macchina con relativoFOGLIO DI ASSISTENZA, etc, etc e altri soldi! Poi leggo sul sito del mio provider che per fare la stringa di inizializzazione devo entrare come root dentro il sistema e che se anche sbaglio di una riga, da quello che ho capito può succedere il pandemonio! Io mi sono già demoralizzato quindi se qualcuno fosse interessato gli svendo la mia Mandrke 7.1 con tanto diCD eManuale nella confezioneoriginale Il mio indirzzo di posta elettronica è: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Arrivederci anzi a mai più risentirci! Mi sa tanto che deve scorrerne diacqua sotto i ponti prima che Linux diventi a prova di utonti come il sottoscritto!
Re: [newbie-it] Ma uno come me che non sa niente di informatica ocme cavolaccio fa???
Vorrei fare una precisazione, io non me la sono presa con Linux! Ma con il fatto che non sono ancora risucito dopo 2 mesi che lo possiedo a effettuare una connessione internet! Scusa ma qua c'è qualcosa che non va; uno come me che sa poco o nulla di computer e che vuole migrare ad un altro sistema operativo è impossibilitato a farlo, e con questo si ritorna a fare il gioco di MSFT. Tutto qua, ne più ne meno. Ho provato a cercare su internet ma o ci sono istruzioni scritte in inglese o trovi troppe istruzioni. Scusa un secondo se tu fossi al posto mio (che non sai nulla di computer) e ti dicono (il provider galactica) che devi mettere mano al kernel come root (con tutti i disastri conseguenti che si possono creare per chi non ha dimestichezza con la faccendoa) e comporre una stringa di iniziallizzazione (che non so neanche che cosa sia!) tu che faresti al posto mio?? Grazie. Se hai una risposta in modo che anche un'ignorante come me (in questo campo) può affrontare ti pregherei di inviarmela. - Original Message - From: Daniele "Keyser Soze" Surano To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [newbie-it] Ma uno come me che non sa niente di informatica ocme cavolaccio fa??? Se non sei capace non te la prendere con Linux!! E poi se ti affidi a dei tecnici è ovvio che non funziona,è meglio fare tutto da soli. Buoni bloccaggi con win98. - Original Message - From: Enrico Guidolin To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 5:45 PM Subject: [newbie-it] Ma uno come me che non sa niente di informatica ocme cavolaccio fa??? Gentili utenti iscritti a questa benedetta (maledetta) lista . mi dispiace io ci ho provato con Linux Mandrake 7.1 (tanto che lo ho comprato in negozio perchè mi dessero il manuale, che alla finenon si è dimostrato un gran che, perchè . vabehh) ma non ci ho capito nulla di come funziona questo sistema operativo! Tanto che penso che ritornerò, quasi sicuramente a Windows98. Prime difficoltà trovate, non riscivo ad installarlo neanche sottolnux4win (che mi sono costate un bel dual boot di assistenza circa cioè 150 mila lire,con 150 carte me ne compravo una cariola di software!) Poi finito il dual boot provo con kppp come c'è scrittoin quel maledetto manuale! Eniente non funziona nulla, zero, nada! Vado così dall'assistenza tecnica e mi dicono dopo3 settimane!!! Infattipochi lousano e il tecnico ha dovuto faticare un sacco per dirmi che devo fare una stringa di inizializzazione che non so neanche cosa sia! Che devo andaredentro come root, etc. Insomma se voglio che la macchina funzioni per internet devo portargli la macchina con relativoFOGLIO DI ASSISTENZA, etc, etc e altri soldi! Poi leggo sul sito del mio provider che per fare la stringa di inizializzazione devo entrare come root dentro il sistema e che se anche sbaglio di una riga, da quello che ho capito può succedere il pandemonio! Io mi sono già demoralizzato quindi se qualcuno fosse interessato gli svendo la mia Mandrke 7.1 con tanto diCD eManuale nella confezioneoriginale Il mio indirzzo di posta elettronica è: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Arrivederci anzi a mai più risentirci! Mi sa tanto che deve scorrerne diacqua sotto i ponti prima che Linux diventi a prova di utonti come il sottoscritto!
Re: [newbie-it] Ma uno come me che non sa niente di informatica ocme cavolaccio fa???
From: "Enrico Guidolin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie-it] Ma uno come me che non sa niente di informatica ocme cavolaccio fa??? Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:12:18 +0100 Scusa un secondo se tu fossi al posto mio (che non sai nulla di computer) e ti dicono (il provider galactica) che devi mettere mano al kernel come root (con tutti i disastri conseguenti che si possono creare per chi non ha dimestichezza con la faccendoa) e comporre una stringa di iniziallizzazione (che non so neanche che cosa sia!) tu che faresti al posto mio?? Ciao Enrico, sono un utonto come te, faccio il medico e non ho nessun background informatico. Non ho da proporti una ricetta buona per tutti. Io ho fatto così. Prima di Linux usavo ed uso ancora adesso come OS principale NT4 workstation. Linux l'ho cominciato ad usare ed a capire poco per volta ricorrendo al metodo di installarlo a fianco di NT4 senza usare LILO ma inserendolo nel bootloader di NT grazie ad una piccola utility di Gilles Vollant che trovi freeware online che si chiama Bootpart.exe. Una volta che ce l'hai a fianco di NT, puoi divertirti a cercare di capirlo, giocherellarci ed eventualmente anche a distruggerlo ;) perchè, anche in quella eventualità, è sufficiente reinstallarlo nella posizione precedente senza dover toccare niente altro. Se però non hai NT potrei essere interessato all'acquisto del tuo manuale :))) _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [newbie-it] Ma uno come me che non sa niente di informatica ocme cavolaccio fa???
Scusa ma bisogna sempre entrare a fare queste modifiche come root? Ma come si fa? Ho provato a leggere anche gli appunti di informatica dal sito www.pluto.inux.it ma non ci ho capito un santo! Per non dire una Madaonna. - Original Message - From: "Daniele Keyser Soze Surano" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [newbie-it] Ma uno come me che non sa niente di informatica ocme cavolaccio fa??? Guarda che Galactica non c'entra niente (anche io uso Galactica), il problema è del modem,perchè ogni modem ha una sua stringa di inizializzazione (se non lo inizializzi il modem non sa che fare). Molti modem hanno una standard ma si vede che il tuo no. Quindi devi cercarla sul sito o sul manuale e metterla nelle proprietà del modem dove cè scritto "stringa di inizializzazione". Il kernel non c'azzecca niente. Ciao Il dom, 03 dic 2000, hai scritto: Vorrei fare una precisazione, io non me la sono presa con Linux! Ma con il fatto che non sono ancora risucito dopo 2 mesi che lo possiedo a effettuare una connessione internet! Scusa ma qua c'è qualcosa che non va; uno come me che sa poco o nulla di computer e che vuole migrare ad un altro sistema operativo è impossibilitato a farlo, e con questo si ritorna a fare il gioco di MSFT. Tutto qua, ne più ne meno. Ho provato a cercare su internet ma o ci sono istruzioni scritte in inglese o trovi troppe istruzioni. Scusa un secondo se tu fossi al posto mio (che non sai nulla di computer) e ti dicono (il provider galactica) che devi mettere mano al kernel come root (con tutti i disastri conseguenti che si possono creare per chi non ha dimestichezza con la faccendoa) e comporre una stringa di iniziallizzazione (che non so neanche che cosa sia!) tu che faresti al posto mio?? Grazie. Se hai una risposta in modo che anche un'ignorante come me (in questo campo) può affrontare ti pregherei di inviarmela. - Original Message - From: Daniele "Keyser Soze" Surano To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [newbie-it] Ma uno come me che non sa niente di informatica ocme cavolaccio fa??? Se non sei capace non te la prendere con Linux!! E poi se ti affidi a dei tecnici è ovvio che non funziona,è meglio fare tutto da soli. Buoni bloccaggi con win98. - Original Message - From: Enrico Guidolin To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 5:45 PM Subject: [newbie-it] Ma uno come me che non sa niente di informatica ocme cavolaccio fa??? Gentili utenti iscritti a questa benedetta (maledetta) lista . mi dispiace io ci ho provato con Linux Mandrake 7.1 (tanto che lo ho comprato in negozio perchè mi dessero il manuale, che alla fine non si è dimostrato un gran che, perchè . vabehh) ma non ci ho capito nulla di come funziona questo sistema operativo! Tanto che penso che ritornerò, quasi sicuramente a Windows98. Prime difficoltà trovate, non riscivo ad installarlo neanche sotto lnux4win (che mi sono costate un bel dual boot di assistenza circa cioè 150 mila lire, con 150 carte me ne compravo una cariola di software!) Poi finito il dual boot provo con kppp come c'è scritto in quel maledetto manuale! E niente non funziona nulla, zero, nada! Vado così dall'assistenza tecnica e mi dicono dopo 3 settimane!!! Infatti pochi lo usano e il tecnico ha dovuto faticare un sacco per dirmi che devo fare una stringa di inizializzazione che non so neanche cosa sia! Che devo andare dentro come root, etc. Insomma se voglio che la macchina funzioni per internet devo portargli la macchina con relativo FOGLIO DI ASSISTENZA, etc, etc e altri soldi! Poi leggo sul sito del mio provider che per fare la stringa di inizializzazione devo entrare come root dentro il sistema e che se anche sbaglio di una riga, da quello che ho capito può succedere il pandemonio! Io mi sono già demoralizzato quindi se qualcuno fosse interessato gli svendo la mia Mandrke 7.1 con tanto di CD e Manuale nella confezione originale Il mio indirzzo di posta elettronica è: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Arrivederci anzi a mai più risentirci! Mi sa tanto che deve scorrerne di acqua sotto i ponti prima che Linux diventi a prova di utonti come il sottoscritto! Content-Type: text/html; name="unnamed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description:
Re: [newbie-it] Ma uno come me che non sa niente di informatica ocme cavolaccio fa???
Enrico, quali sono marca e modello del tuo modem? Corrado Daniele Keyser Soze Surano wrote: Guarda che Galactica non c'entra niente (anche io uso Galactica), il problema è del modem,perchè ogni modem ha una sua stringa di inizializzazione (se non lo inizializzi il modem non sa che fare). Molti modem hanno una standard ma si vede che il tuo no. Quindi devi cercarla sul sito o sul manuale e metterla nelle proprietà del modem dove cè scritto "stringa di inizializzazione". Il kernel non c'azzecca niente. Ciao Il dom, 03 dic 2000, hai scritto: Vorrei fare una precisazione, io non me la sono presa con Linux! Ma con il fatto che non sono ancora risucito dopo 2 mesi che lo possiedo a effettuare una connessione internet! Scusa ma qua c'è qualcosa che non va; uno come me che sa poco o nulla di computer e che vuole migrare ad un altro sistema operativo è impossibilitato a farlo, e con questo si ritorna a fare il gioco di MSFT. Tutto qua, ne più ne meno. Ho provato a cercare su internet ma o ci sono istruzioni scritte in inglese o trovi troppe istruzioni. Scusa un secondo se tu fossi al posto mio (che non sai nulla di computer) e ti dicono (il provider galactica) che devi mettere mano al kernel come root (con tutti i disastri conseguenti che si possono creare per chi non ha dimestichezza con la faccendoa) e comporre una stringa di iniziallizzazione (che non so neanche che cosa sia!) tu che faresti al posto mio?? Grazie. Se hai una risposta in modo che anche un'ignorante come me (in questo campo) può affrontare ti pregherei di inviarmela.
Re: [newbie-it] Ma uno come me che non sa niente di informatica ocme cavolaccio fa???
Appunti Linux sulle prime puo' spaventare, e va letto con calma. Ma le ultime versioni dovrebbero contenere anche le ldr (linux domande e risposte) di utilita' forse piu' immediata. se non le hai puoi scaricarle per es. qui: http://www.interpuntonet.it/linux/ bye -- Devil Inside Experiment - C'era un bambino che odiava la polizia www.acidlife.com/aciderror/freefred Davide Banda Partial Arts [2000] - www.davidebanda.nelweb.net ICQ uin 5887365 - PGP key available on keyservers
RE: [newbie] Mandrake is losing it
The problem are the configuration files created for each user and the master profile... You could tar off each of the directories, omitting the hidden files, into a temporary directory... I.E. /home/temp Then BEFORE installing 7.2 delete the contents of all the other home directories and subdirectories... Tell the installer to omit formatting the /home partition (it IS on another partition right) After the 7.2 installation let each user log in, so that all the new configurations are created, the finally restore from the TAR files, skipping existing files... -JMS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Vic Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Mandrake is losing it Uh oh, since it is that, I have 7.0-2 How can I keep from losing my /home/users directories? I don't have enuf disks to put it all on. I have to keep my /home/users directory I cannot reformat or erase it in any way. On Fri, 01 Dec 2000, Jose M. Sanchez wrote: Did you upgrade from 7.x to 7.2 (which is a BAD idea)? Did you attempt to retain old 7.x home directories, which can be problematic?
Re: [newbie] Mouseman plus
Dale, Same problem here. It seems to be a bug in the software. Go to level 3, run mouseconfig, and reboot. Your mouse will be working properly, but it will probably still be listed as as a generic. Carl Kehley Dale Peterson wrote: Here is the problem: I have a mouseman plus ps/2 that I'm using and works fine on my windows setup and in my mandrake 7.2 setup except for just ONE thing: For some reason, when I select mouseman plus hardware configuration, and then hit ok, it closes the window but doesn't change anything. It still says that my mouse is just the generic three button mouse. If I double-click on the mouseman plus selection, it closes the window and does the same thing. Why won't it keep my selection and actually change the configuration to be that mouse!!?!? Thanks in advance. __ Luke Peterson IC Consultant UCSB Instructional Computing Lab Mechanical Engineering MajorUCSB College of Engineering http://www.ic.ucsb.edu/~luke/ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 805.968.2960 We are here to add what we can to life, not to get what we can from it. -William Osler Thought takes man out of servitude, into freedom. -Henry Wadsworth Longfellow __
Re: [newbie] Reinstall
On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Riker wrote: Riker, You need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst for that. Just remove the "offending" entry, and after the next boot you're fine. Contrary to LILO, you do not need to run anything for the changes to take effect, the file will be read at boot time. Good luck Paul Paul: Yes, it was an IDE burner, and I'm really beginning to believe this is how I screwed things up. In what file/directory can I find the menu.lst or Grub? Thanks, Riker Paul wrote: On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Riker wrote: Did you set up an IDE burner? Perhaps the problem then lies in the 'ide=scsi' line, to fake SCSI on the IDE-bus for the cdrom? The burner will need that, but an ordinary cdrom won't eat that, I think. Should be in the append line of lilo.conf, or in menu.lst for Grub. -- I would only believe in a god that loves to dance. (Zarathustra) http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30
Re: [newbie] CD-Rom Permissions
On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, R. Edward McCain wrote: Create a group "cdwriter" in linuxconf, add yourself to that group, and then change the group permission on /dev/scd0 (or scd1, whatever the writer really is) to the group 'cdwriter' (chgrp cdwriter /dev/scd?) As my machine now shows: [paul@internet paul]$ ls -l /dev/scd0 brw-rw1 root cdwriter 11, 0 Sep 27 12:31 /dev/scd0 Paul I have the same problem - and no sound :-( -- I've just started tho. I need to hit the man's and rfc's and see why I got no cd's or sound. Machine Specs attached. On Sat, 02 Dec 2000, you wrote: I tried to get my cd-r working in 7.2 and now when I access both my reader and writer I get the I don't have permission to access it. I've tried creating new icons and everything please help me. mike -- I would only believe in a god that loves to dance. (Zarathustra) http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30
Re: [newbie] majordomo
On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Mark Weaver wrote: yes...and one that defies being configured and ran. That much it does unwaveringly. Have you looked at ezmlm ? EaZy MailingListManager? You should be able to find info through www.google.com Paul -- I would only believe in a god that loves to dance. (Zarathustra) http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30
Re: [newbie] RE: Windows can't be written in VB
Well You are wrong First Windows Kernel is written in (C Assembly) Second Windows 2K is Win NT 5, Windows ME is just Win 9X Kernel with extensions. I my self work on both linux and Win 2K. and although it is easy to attack M$, but I must say that Win 2K is well stable and efficient OS. So if you want to attack be at least correct with your knowledge!!!
Re: [newbie] RE: Windows can't be written in VB
windows 2000 is not that stable it crashed all the time on my system and was just a heap of shit. I would rather jsut keep using my linux 7.2 box then use my windows 2000 box - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] RE: Windows can't be written in VB Well You are wrong First Windows Kernel is written in (C Assembly) Second Windows 2K is Win NT 5, Windows ME is just Win 9X Kernel with extensions. I my self work on both linux and Win 2K. and although it is easy to attack M$, but I must say that Win 2K is well stable and efficient OS. So if you want to attack be at least correct with your knowledge!!!
Re: [newbie] CD-Rom Permissions
Surely you should let ever user have access to thnis stuff. Log on as root and enter chmod -a+x /mnt/cdrom or whatever the device is. Hey presto, everyone can have a go. On Sun, 03 Dec 2000, you wrote: On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, R. Edward McCain wrote: Create a group "cdwriter" in linuxconf, add yourself to that group, and then change the group permission on /dev/scd0 (or scd1, whatever the writer really is) to the group 'cdwriter' (chgrp cdwriter /dev/scd?) As my machine now shows: [paul@internet paul]$ ls -l /dev/scd0 brw-rw1 root cdwriter 11, 0 Sep 27 12:31 /dev/scd0 Paul I have the same problem - and no sound :-( -- I've just started tho. I need to hit the man's and rfc's and see why I got no cd's or sound. Machine Specs attached. On Sat, 02 Dec 2000, you wrote: I tried to get my cd-r working in 7.2 and now when I access both my reader and writer I get the I don't have permission to access it. I've tried creating new icons and everything please help me. mike
Re: [newbie] Old wp5 files
On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Vic wrote: Anyone know where I can find something to convert or read old wordperfect 5 files? WordPerfect 8 for linux will read the old files and put them into most common formats. I don't know if it can convert things to what you want them to be, since you did not mention that. RTF will work, older Word formats will work, plain text will work. Paul -- I would only believe in a god that loves to dance. (Zarathustra) http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30
[newbie] Download manager?
Salutations List, I am wondering if there might be a download manager for Linux, something like Go!zilla or NetAnts, that will allow recovery of interrupted downloads, etc. I have not found anything at this point, but I have only searched for about 15 minutes. Thank you. -- Yours, R. Edward McCain [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 599146 Registered Linux User #196613
Re: [newbie] Hosed my system
On Sun, 03 Dec 2000, you wrote: Not that I can't recover, but I would like to get some insight to what I did wrong. Last night I decided to install mandrake 7.2 on my system that has 2 hdds with 3 paritions on each. The last parition on both hdd's was a software raid 0 from NT. The first 2 paritions on each hdd had a copy of NT 4 that I was duel booting between (acutally one was a backup copy just in case). So I had 3G of free hdd space on the second hdd, with the boot loader on the 1st hdd, ( so at worst I thought nothing would affect the 1st hdd). So in this free space is where I mounted the swap and system linux parition. And here is where I think I might of screwed up. I formated the linux parition with ext2. From the install guide it said I would eventually be given the choice to rewrite the mbr or if there was another boot loader then you can choose to install some boot files to the first sector of the boot parition. Then you can just add an entry in the boot loader for linux. Well this step never came up, it went ahead and just installed the lilo/grub. And from there linux is fine but I haven't been able to get back into NT( and of course I spaced making a recovery disk) My next step was just to reinstall NT back into the first parition on the first hdd but basically NT wasn't able to work with my drives anymore to reinstall NT. So here is where I need help, as far as I can tell I need to go thru the linux install and wipe out everything on my drives, exit, then reinstall NT then try reinstalling linux using some other file system than ext2? I wouldn't have said so. Ext2 is clearly the right thing to put Linux on although the swap file is not usually ext2. I have heard about issues between NT4/2000 and Linux but I missed that lesson having always used the easier Windows (95,98 and ME). What you can do to get Windows back is sstart in DOS susing your WinNT boot disk and at the prompt type "fdisk /mbr" This should your old Master Boot Record back and you will get into NT4 because it takes over the system wherever possible. Then try getting on to your Linux Disk with the Linux Boot Disk and go to Drakeconf. Try using the Grub/lilo boot configuration tool there and tell it to install to HDA (first hard drive) for both systems. This ought to work.
Re: [newbie] CD-Rom Permissions
On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Steven Kinch wrote: Surely you should let ever user have access to thnis stuff. Log on as root and enter chmod -a+x /mnt/cdrom or whatever the device is. Hey presto, everyone can have a go. *grin* I _am_ "every user" on my machine... But you are correct, everyone should be able to access the cdrom. Paul -- I would only believe in a god that loves to dance. (Zarathustra) http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30
Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux
On Sun, 03 Dec 2000, you wrote: In a message dated 12/1/00 4:54:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if MS ever decided to distribute a flavor of linux I believe they would give Mandrake, SuSE, RedHat, and etc. a very hard run for their money. I am sorry but I don't have the first clue what you are trying to say. Is a MS distro going to be any better than what we have? My guess is that it would introduce to Linux a new concept like AUTOCRSH EVERY FIVE MINUTES But, wouldnt we all just download it off the net for free instead of buying it in a store. I go out and buy the software to support the cause, I wouldnt but a microsoft product if i could download it for free Yes of course we would. Are you some sort of idiot? ~Lance's $0.02 Well done, you can spell your name. Unless you were very drunk when you posted your note you owe me an apology for boring me and wasting my time. Content-Type: text/html; name="Attachment: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description:
Re: [newbie] Old wp5 files
WordPerfect 8 for Linux (not Corel Office) is free. Get it at linux.corel.com. BTW, in regards to your CV question, Kword is part of Koffice. Look up koffice at rpmfind.net. Other viable alternatives include AbiWord (look it up at rpmfind.net) and StarOffice (www.openoffice.org). On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:51, Vic wrote: Hello list Anyone know where I can find something to convert or read old wordperfect 5 files? thankya thankyaverrimuch -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. Your mouse has moved. Windows must be rebooted to acknowledge this change.
Re: [newbie] Download manager?
Have you tried freshmeat.net? You can search for software there. That's where I find most of my software. I however do not know of anything off hand. Personally I can't stand download managers, but that's mainly due to their pirate like attitude in Windozs. tdh -- T. Holmes Unixtechs.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.unixtechs.org/ "Real Men use Vi." * R. Edward McCain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001203 04:53]: Salutations List, I am wondering if there might be a download manager for Linux, something like Go!zilla or NetAnts, that will allow recovery of interrupted downloads, etc. I have not found anything at this point, but I have only searched for about 15 minutes. Thank you. -- Yours, R. Edward McCain [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 599146 Registered Linux User #196613 -- T. Holmes Unixtechs.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.unixtechs.org/ "Real Men use Vi."
Re: [newbie] CD-Rom Permissions
On Sun, 03 Dec 2000, you wrote: Surely you should let ever user have access to thnis stuff. Log on as root and enter chmod -a+x /mnt/cdrom or whatever the device is. Hey presto, everyone can have a go. Doesn't seem to work for me... # start session term su password * dir bin dev home lost+found opt root tmp var boot etc lib mnt proc sbin usr chmod -a+x /mnt/cdrom chmod: invalid mode chmod -a+x /mnt/cdrom2 chmod: invalid mode cd mnt dir drom cdrom2 disk floppy windows chmod -a+x /mnt/cdrom chmod: invalid mode # end session
[newbie] Creative PCI128 under Mandrake 7
Dear Abraham I have a Creative Lab Sound Blaster PCI 128, the module charged is Ensoniq 5880 Audio PCI and works fine!!! Francisco Alcaraz Murcia (Spain)
[newbie] Voodoo3 3000 acceleration works!!
Thanks Eddi Torres and Abe, I gare; finally the Voodoo3 3 has acceleration. I have tryed before to do that using linux.3dfx.com page, but I forced the installation of Glide (the version in this page is older than the present Mandrake 7.2) and then the X system crashed. Chmoulin said me that it could be a problem with the motherboard chip i850e!!! and that I had to wait for new kernels, so I didn't try any other installation. But after read your messages I tryed again; this time I didn't user the Glide reinstallation, I just used: rpm -Uvh tdfx_dri-4.0.1-1.¡386.rpm rpm --rebuild tdfx_drm-1.0-3.src.rpm rpm -Uvh --force /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i686/tdfx_drm-1.0-3.i686.rpm The option --force was absolutly necessary. And it works Quake 3, Chromium and so one (quake 3 in fact is too speedee, impossible to survive). It seems that the mandrake 7.2 has a bug about the installtion of 3d acceleration, in fact, one message talked about somekind fo lint between Voodoo3 and AGP (Abe, you were true when you said that 3dfx carss are not real AGP cards, but PCI cards using the advantages of AGP slot. In fact Harddrake said that my voodoo is a PCI card!!! I hope this problem will be solved in future Mandrake releases; in fact most potential home linux user like games using 3d acceleration, this will be a good base to attract people from windoze!! Thanks a lot and let me have fun playing for a while!!! Francisco Alcaraz Murcia (Spain)
Re: [newbie] Download manager?
I would like to thank everyone for their prompt and helpful response to my inquery - especially the freshmeat tip. On Sun, 03 Dec 2000, you wrote: Salutations List, I am wondering if there might be a download manager for Linux, something like Go!zilla or NetAnts, that will allow recovery of interrupted downloads, etc. I have not found anything at this point, but I have only searched for about 15 minutes. Thank you -- Yours, R. Edward McCain [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 599146 Registered Linux User #196613
Re: [newbie] majordomo
Netscape 4.7x in Linux won't do the "above the text" thing for you like it will in Windows. Mozilla M18, Beonex Communicator, and of course the worst of the bunch, Netscape 6 will do this. Although I don't suggest using Netscape 6 since it sucks. -- Mark / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat * in order to get the rats up from below decks * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned! * * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496 */ *REPLY SEPERATOR* On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 Romanator had this to say! How did you get majordomo configured? I'm supposed to be on the list. By the way, since I'm still running Netscrape. How can I get my signature to appear above the body of text? For some reason it always appears below. I feeling stupid tonight. Any ideas? Roman Mark Weaver wrote: yes...and one that defies being configured and ran. That much it does unwaveringly. -- Mark / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat * in order to get the rats up from below decks * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned! * * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496 */ *REPLY SEPERATOR* On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 KompuKit had this to say! majordomo is a mailing list manager Dennis Myers wrote: KompuKit wrote: hello out there...is anyone seeing me... has anyone gotten majordomo working on 7.2yet -- Registered Linux User:167369 =KompuKit= Kit Goins ICQ# 7110071 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lowell, Mass. Web Designerhttp://kitdesigns.bizhosting.com WebServer: http://kompukit.dyndns.org (Server Runs between M - F 6pm-12am, S S 12pm-12am EST) =KompuKit= I see you all the way from over here. Sorry I don't have an answer but what is majordomo? -- Dennis Myers registered Linux User #180842
Re: [[newbie] Old wp5 files]
Vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list Anyone know where I can find something to convert or read old wordperfect 5 files? thankya thankyaverrimuch == Doesn't WP 8.0 open old WP formats??? Mike "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -Benjamin Frankilin Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail
Re: [newbie] Mandrake is losing it
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/03/2000 3:20:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tell the installer to omit formatting the /home partition (it IS on another partition right) I just wanted someones 2 cents on this, what good is it to split it up into multiple partitions than have it all on one or two? ~Lance Hi Lance. I always split up (at least): swap, /, /usr/, and /home. Others go even further with /var, etc, etc,. The advantage is that everytime you upgrade you can retain your .*rc files (user settings), and its so much easier to back up separate partitions. See, you can have Mandrake NOT format your home directory during an install/upgrade. ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/
Re: [newbie] Boot-up Issue 7.1 7.2
On Sunday 03 December 2000 07:46 am, aifusionextreme wrote: Right ok, Is there a boot log I could look ? look around in /var/log I have heard that mandrake use custom kernels. Do you think that untouched kernel might work ? All distro's use 'custom' kernels. Using a plain vanila kernel, ie from http://www.kernelnotes.org/, or a kernel intended for another distro isn't recommended. Here is the catch though, I cant install it until I can get in. How do I change runlevels in GRUB ? I should be able to get in runlevel 1, I hope. I coulds do it in LILO. And the grub homepage didnt seem to offer an answer ( at least I couldnt find it ) . look here: http://mandrakeuser.org/install/index.html -- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay On Saturday 02 December 2000 07:03 am, aifusionextreme wrote: Hi Can anybody tell me how to go about troubleshooting this issue. My install of 7.2 goes fine, I do not istall networking. But when the system is rebooted it locks up. I had the same issue with 7.1, and was hoping 7.2 would fix it. It's just about got to be a hardware problem. IIRC, the install CD uses a different kernel than the installed kernel. I believe that's where you need to start lookin -- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay
Re: [newbie] RE: Windows can't be written in VB
On Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 06:52:52PM +1000, keldmar wrote: windows 2000 is not that stable it crashed all the time on my system and was just a heap of shit. I would rather jsut keep using my linux 7.2 box then use my windows 2000 box hehe I agree with your windows statement, But i thought i would let you know linux is only up to version 2.4.0-test11. sa
Re: [newbie] Video card question?
On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Ronald J. Hall wrote: Hmm, okay...I'm a little confused now. I thought that with Xfree 4.01 and Mandrake v7.2, if your video card is supported, then you get automagically installed hardware acceleration? Is that not right? Depends. If you upgrade from 3.3.6. a copy of the old XF86Config is used. If acceleration is off in there, you need to set it on by hand: option "accel" or something like that Paul -- I would only believe in a god that loves to dance. (Zarathustra) http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30
Re: [newbie] CD-Rom Permissions
On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Mike Tetlow wrote: Paul Thanks for the help but how do I change the permissions of the group. I installed yesterday. Load linuxconf (as root) Go to user accounts. Click Group definitions Click ADD Name the group. e,g, cdwriter. No need to do strange things with directories. Add yourself to the members of the group Click your way through OK and Accept until you're out of linuxconf. Then just (still as root) chgrp cdwriter /dev/scd0 (if scd0 is the cdrom) and that should be it. That's what i did. Paul -- I would only believe in a god that loves to dance. (Zarathustra) http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30
[newbie] How to reinstall
Does anyone know a good surefire way to reinstall since it doesn't look like my cdrom permission problem will clear up. Thanks Mike From: Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [newbie] CD-Rom Permissions Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 11:04:46 +0100 (CET) On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Steven Kinch wrote: Surely you should let ever user have access to thnis stuff. Log on as root and enter chmod -a+x /mnt/cdrom or whatever the device is. Hey presto, everyone can have a go. *grin* I _am_ "every user" on my machine... But you are correct, everyone should be able to access the cdrom. Paul -- I would only believe in a god that loves to dance. (Zarathustra) http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30 Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [newbie] CD-Rom Permissions
Has anyone tried what they say to do here? http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/demos/Tutorial/CDburner/ On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, R. Edward McCain wrote: I have the same problem - and no sound :-( -- I've just started tho. I need to hit the man's and rfc's and see why I got no cd's or sound. Machine Specs attached. On Sat, 02 Dec 2000, you wrote: I tried to get my cd-r working in 7.2 and now when I access both my reader and writer I get the I don't have permission to access it. I've tried creating new icons and everything please help me. mike -- peace, Rog http://www.slammingrooves.com Registered Linux user #190719
Re: [newbie] How to reinstall
On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Mike Tetlow wrote: Does anyone know a good surefire way to reinstall since it doesn't look like my cdrom permission problem will clear up. Before you try that, do what they say to do here: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/demos/Tutorial/CDburner/ I don't know if it works (it should for both cdroms), but if you're going to reinstall anyways, what could it hurt? Thanks Mike From: Paul Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Subject: Re: [newbie] CD-Rom Permissions Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 11:04:46 +0100 (CET) On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Steven Kinch wrote: Surely you should let ever user have access to thnis stuff. Log on as root and enter chmod -a+x /mnt/cdrom or whatever the device is. Hey presto, everyone can have a go. *grin* I _am_ "every user" on my machine... But you are correct, everyone should be able to access the cdrom. Paul -- I would only believe in a god that loves to dance. (Zarathustra) http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30 Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com -- peace, Rog http://www.slammingrooves.com Registered Linux user #190719
RE: [newbie] How to reinstall
Try the command, as root, chmod 777 (name of your cdrom drive) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roger Sherman Sent: 02 December 2000 16:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] How to reinstall On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Mike Tetlow wrote: Does anyone know a good surefire way to reinstall since it doesn't look like my cdrom permission problem will clear up. Before you try that, do what they say to do here: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/demos/Tutorial/CDburner/ I don't know if it works (it should for both cdroms), but if you're going to reinstall anyways, what could it hurt? Thanks Mike From: Paul Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Subject: Re: [newbie] CD-Rom Permissions Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 11:04:46 +0100 (CET) On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Steven Kinch wrote: Surely you should let ever user have access to thnis stuff. Log on as root and enter chmod -a+x /mnt/cdrom or whatever the device is. Hey presto, everyone can have a go. *grin* I _am_ "every user" on my machine... But you are correct, everyone should be able to access the cdrom. Paul -- I would only believe in a god that loves to dance. (Zarathustra) http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30 Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com -- peace, Rog http://www.slammingrooves.com Registered Linux user #190719
RE: [newbie] majordomo
Sod Netscape of any description. Lord Mark is quite right. Mozilla is great. Also have a look at Opera to be found at www.opera.com. They charge for it in Windows and I have happily paid for it. In Linux, I am not sure if it will do the e-mail thing yet. I will say that Kmail which probably came with your distribution is excellent for just about anything. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Weaver Sent: 03 December 2000 12:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] majordomo Netscape 4.7x in Linux won't do the "above the text" thing for you like it will in Windows. Mozilla M18, Beonex Communicator, and of course the worst of the bunch, Netscape 6 will do this. Although I don't suggest using Netscape 6 since it sucks. -- Mark / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat * in order to get the rats up from below decks * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned! * * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496 */ *REPLY SEPERATOR* On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 Romanator had this to say! How did you get majordomo configured? I'm supposed to be on the list. By the way, since I'm still running Netscrape. How can I get my signature to appear above the body of text? For some reason it always appears below. I feeling stupid tonight. Any ideas? Roman Mark Weaver wrote: yes...and one that defies being configured and ran. That much it does unwaveringly. -- Mark / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat * in order to get the rats up from below decks * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned! * * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496 */ *REPLY SEPERATOR* On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 KompuKit had this to say! majordomo is a mailing list manager Dennis Myers wrote: KompuKit wrote: hello out there...is anyone seeing me... has anyone gotten majordomo working on 7.2yet -- Registered Linux User:167369 =KompuKit= Kit Goins ICQ# 7110071 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lowell, Mass. Web Designerhttp://kitdesigns.bizhosting.com WebServer: http://kompukit.dyndns.org (Server Runs between M - F 6pm-12am, S S 12pm-12am EST) =KompuKit= I see you all the way from over here. Sorry I don't have an answer but what is majordomo? -- Dennis Myers registered Linux User #180842
Re: [newbie] CD-Rom Permissions
Sweet Merciful crap I got 1 drive working not the cdrw though yeah woho go me Got really no clue how I did it however make sure its set on Group cdrom in your properties So now I'm down to getting the CDROM2 working it still says I don't have permission P.S. I did the reinstall and it came up with the same thing Any Ideas Mike From: "Mike Tetlow" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] CD-Rom Permissions Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 08:39:18 -0500 Paul Thanks for the help but how do I change the permissions of the group. I installed yesterday. Thanks, Mike From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] CD-Rom Permissions Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 08:27:54 +0100 (CET) On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, R. Edward McCain wrote: Create a group "cdwriter" in linuxconf, add yourself to that group, and then change the group permission on /dev/scd0 (or scd1, whatever the writer really is) to the group 'cdwriter' (chgrp cdwriter /dev/scd?) As my machine now shows: [paul@internet paul]$ ls -l /dev/scd0 brw-rw1 root cdwriter 11, 0 Sep 27 12:31 /dev/scd0 Paul I have the same problem - and no sound :-( -- I've just started tho. I need to hit the man's and rfc's and see why I got no cd's or sound. Machine Specs attached. On Sat, 02 Dec 2000, you wrote: I tried to get my cd-r working in 7.2 and now when I access both my reader and writer I get the I don't have permission to access it. I've tried creating new icons and everything please help me. mike -- I would only believe in a god that loves to dance. (Zarathustra) http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30 _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
[newbie] Grub Editing
Does anyone know of a way or location of a tutorial so I can make grub set my windows partition as the one it boots after 5 seconds of no response Thanks, Mike _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [newbie] Grub Editing
Use Linuxconf , and from there its somewhere under default boot options hope that helps Monster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reg. User 153258 - Original Message - From: "Mike Tetlow" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 December 2000 17:58 Subject: [newbie] Grub Editing Does anyone know of a way or location of a tutorial so I can make grub set my windows partition as the one it boots after 5 seconds of no response Thanks, Mike _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux
Take a look at what happened when MS first tried skinnable software, this media player of theirs. Plenty of skinnable windows programs had been out for a year or more. MS had the advantage of having the source code for windows. Their media player was easily the most incompetent skinning job available. The fonts would not adjust to the right size and overran the buttons, and if one ran a window-frame skinner like windowblinds, the MS media player would get skinned twice, with a border surrounding a border. - Original Message - From: "Steven Kinch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: : In a message dated 12/1/00 4:54:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : if MS : ever decided to distribute a flavor of linux I believe they would give : Mandrake, SuSE, RedHat, and etc. a very hard run for their money. : : I am sorry but I don't have the first clue what you are trying to say. Is a : MS distro going to be any better than what we have? My guess is that it : would introduce to Linux a new concept like AUTOCRSH EVERY FIVE MINUTES
Re: [newbie] Hosed my system
Thanks for the info. I've already went crazy deleting paritions left and right. I thought I would be able to just reinstall nt, but it goes thru to doing the exhaustive examination of the hard drives and then tells me I need to reboot and start over. I get to here everytime. Then I've gone in with booting off a win 98 disk and fdisked everything including my linux paritions(swap was formatted swap). I did try using the grub to boot to NT but there it would bring up the NT boot loader and when I would click on one of the choices it would say can't find NToskernel.exe (can't remember the extention). So now I've deleted everything on my drives other than one of the original NT paritions. And I still get punted trying to reinstall to a new parition. I am starting to think it may be a ata66 issue due to the fact during the NT install it is calling both the drives disk 0. I just got to work, so when I go home I will disconnect one of the drives and try again. --- Steven Kinch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 03 Dec 2000, you wrote: Not that I can't recover, but I would like to get some insight to what I did wrong. Last night I decided to install mandrake 7.2 on my system that has 2 hdds with 3 paritions on each. The last parition on both hdd's was a software raid 0 from NT. The first 2 paritions on each hdd had a copy of NT 4 that I was duel booting between (acutally one was a backup copy just in case). So I had 3G of free hdd space on the second hdd, with the boot loader on the 1st hdd, ( so at worst I thought nothing would affect the 1st hdd). So in this free space is where I mounted the swap and system linux parition. And here is where I think I might of screwed up. I formated the linux parition with ext2. From the install guide it said I would eventually be given the choice to rewrite the mbr or if there was another boot loader then you can choose to install some boot files to the first sector of the boot parition. Then you can just add an entry in the boot loader for linux. Well this step never came up, it went ahead and just installed the lilo/grub. And from there linux is fine but I haven't been able to get back into NT( and of course I spaced making a recovery disk) My next step was just to reinstall NT back into the first parition on the first hdd but basically NT wasn't able to work with my drives anymore to reinstall NT. So here is where I need help, as far as I can tell I need to go thru the linux install and wipe out everything on my drives, exit, then reinstall NT then try reinstalling linux using some other file system than ext2? I wouldn't have said so. Ext2 is clearly the right thing to put Linux on although the swap file is not usually ext2. I have heard about issues between NT4/2000 and Linux but I missed that lesson having always used the easier Windows (95,98 and ME). What you can do to get Windows back is sstart in DOS susing your WinNT boot disk and at the prompt type "fdisk /mbr" This should your old Master Boot Record back and you will get into NT4 because it takes over the system wherever possible. Then try getting on to your Linux Disk with the Linux Boot Disk and go to Drakeconf. Try using the Grub/lilo boot configuration tool there and tell it to install to HDA (first hard drive) for both systems. This ought to work. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
RE: [newbie] Hosed my system
OK. Let me know how it goes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Slezak Sent: 03 December 2000 20:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Hosed my system Thanks for the info. I've already went crazy deleting paritions left and right. I thought I would be able to just reinstall nt, but it goes thru to doing the exhaustive examination of the hard drives and then tells me I need to reboot and start over. I get to here everytime. Then I've gone in with booting off a win 98 disk and fdisked everything including my linux paritions(swap was formatted swap). I did try using the grub to boot to NT but there it would bring up the NT boot loader and when I would click on one of the choices it would say can't find NToskernel.exe (can't remember the extention). So now I've deleted everything on my drives other than one of the original NT paritions. And I still get punted trying to reinstall to a new parition. I am starting to think it may be a ata66 issue due to the fact during the NT install it is calling both the drives disk 0. I just got to work, so when I go home I will disconnect one of the drives and try again. --- Steven Kinch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 03 Dec 2000, you wrote: Not that I can't recover, but I would like to get some insight to what I did wrong. Last night I decided to install mandrake 7.2 on my system that has 2 hdds with 3 paritions on each. The last parition on both hdd's was a software raid 0 from NT. The first 2 paritions on each hdd had a copy of NT 4 that I was duel booting between (acutally one was a backup copy just in case). So I had 3G of free hdd space on the second hdd, with the boot loader on the 1st hdd, ( so at worst I thought nothing would affect the 1st hdd). So in this free space is where I mounted the swap and system linux parition. And here is where I think I might of screwed up. I formated the linux parition with ext2. From the install guide it said I would eventually be given the choice to rewrite the mbr or if there was another boot loader then you can choose to install some boot files to the first sector of the boot parition. Then you can just add an entry in the boot loader for linux. Well this step never came up, it went ahead and just installed the lilo/grub. And from there linux is fine but I haven't been able to get back into NT( and of course I spaced making a recovery disk) My next step was just to reinstall NT back into the first parition on the first hdd but basically NT wasn't able to work with my drives anymore to reinstall NT. So here is where I need help, as far as I can tell I need to go thru the linux install and wipe out everything on my drives, exit, then reinstall NT then try reinstalling linux using some other file system than ext2? I wouldn't have said so. Ext2 is clearly the right thing to put Linux on although the swap file is not usually ext2. I have heard about issues between NT4/2000 and Linux but I missed that lesson having always used the easier Windows (95,98 and ME). What you can do to get Windows back is sstart in DOS susing your WinNT boot disk and at the prompt type "fdisk /mbr" This should your old Master Boot Record back and you will get into NT4 because it takes over the system wherever possible. Then try getting on to your Linux Disk with the Linux Boot Disk and go to Drakeconf. Try using the Grub/lilo boot configuration tool there and tell it to install to HDA (first hard drive) for both systems. This ought to work. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Hosed my system
John Slezak wrote: Thanks for the info. I've already went crazy deleting paritions left and right. I thought I would be able to just reinstall nt, but it goes thru to doing the exhaustive examination of the hard drives and then tells me I need to reboot and start over. I get to here everytime. Then I've gone in with booting off a win 98 disk and fdisked everything including my linux paritions(swap was formatted swap). I did try using the grub to boot to NT but there it would bring up the NT boot loader and when I would click on one of the choices it would say can't find NToskernel.exe (can't remember the extention). So now I've deleted everything on my drives other than one of the original NT paritions. And I still get punted trying to reinstall to a new parition. I am starting to think it may be a ata66 issue due to the fact during the NT install it is calling both the drives disk 0. I just got to work, so when I go home I will disconnect one of the drives and try again. --- Steven Kinch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 03 Dec 2000, you wrote: Not that I can't recover, but I would like to get some insight to what I did wrong. Last night I decided to install mandrake 7.2 on my system that has 2 hdds with 3 paritions on each. The last parition on both hdd's was a software raid 0 from NT. The first 2 paritions on each hdd had a copy of NT 4 that I was duel booting between (acutally one was a backup copy just in case). So I had 3G of free hdd space on the second hdd, with the boot loader on the 1st hdd, ( so at worst I thought nothing would affect the 1st hdd). So in this free space is where I mounted the swap and system linux parition. And here is where I think I might of screwed up. I formated the linux parition with ext2. From the install guide it said I would eventually be given the choice to rewrite the mbr or if there was another boot loader then you can choose to install some boot files to the first sector of the boot parition. Then you can just add an entry in the boot loader for linux. Well this step never came up, it went ahead and just installed the lilo/grub. And from there linux is fine but I haven't been able to get back into NT( and of course I spaced making a recovery disk) My next step was just to reinstall NT back into the first parition on the first hdd but basically NT wasn't able to work with my drives anymore to reinstall NT. So here is where I need help, as far as I can tell I need to go thru the linux install and wipe out everything on my drives, exit, then reinstall NT then try reinstalling linux using some other file system than ext2? I wouldn't have said so. Ext2 is clearly the right thing to put Linux on although the swap file is not usually ext2. I have heard about issues between NT4/2000 and Linux but I missed that lesson having always used the easier Windows (95,98 and ME). What you can do to get Windows back is sstart in DOS susing your WinNT boot disk and at the prompt type "fdisk /mbr" This should your old Master Boot Record back and you will get into NT4 because it takes over the system wherever possible. Then try getting on to your Linux Disk with the Linux Boot Disk and go to Drakeconf. Try using the Grub/lilo boot configuration tool there and tell it to install to HDA (first hard drive) for both systems. This ought to work. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ linux should be on a computer by itself without be on the same drive or computer for that matter.the bios has to see which OS it is going to boot. Nothing but trouble is going to happen.. jack.
RE: [newbie] gates gets linux
Wouldn't someone like Linux be able to demand to view suspected parts of Windows source to see if it has Linux code in it if this were at all provable? I do believe other companies have done such to Microsoft before (and in some cases proved their code was indeed in there).. *^*^*^* Have the courage to take your own thoughts seriously, for they will shape you. -- Albert Einstein On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Liaw, Andy wrote: I also read an article that says Corel is thinking about spinning off the Linux OS. Cheers, Andy -- From: Kelly, Christopher[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 9:26 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject:RE: [newbie] gates gets linux I read an article that said that they might be using Linux code to fix all the bugs that Winblows has... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 9:13 AM To: patrick Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] gates gets linux Ironicly they now own a Linux OS. They bought Corel did they not? :) u know this is sound rather silly but i have thinking this for awhile about microsoft. are they using linux code ? -- Love is all u need Regards Mike Freeman Embrace the Penguin. Give Bill the cold shoulder! Linux Registered User #190770 (10/02/2000) Get your own free email account from http://www.popmail.com
Re: [newbie] gates gets linux
I'd tend to be one that'd believe he's using it as his way to jump into the Linux market without actually supporting Linux until he is in the position to be the market leader of the Linux market. Something along the lines of what he did with the last big trend he almost missed -- afterall who ever heard of people using the Internet? *^*^*^* Have the courage to take your own thoughts seriously, for they will shape you. -- Albert Einstein On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, patrick wrote: On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, you wrote: "The Cube" --Corel's email journal for Linux users-- which came out just a few days ago says that they are actively working on a new Linux release. For what it's worth, that's what it says. At 11:06 AM 11/27/2000 -0500, you wrote: I also read an article that says Corel is thinking about spinning off the Linux OS. Cheers, Andy /snip off the rest/ try to become gates for a moment. what do u think is his motivation. to stop wine or corels emulation of windoes ummm. what do u think
Re: [newbie] RE: Windows can't be written in VB
no -- Mark / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat * in order to get the rats up from below decks * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned! * * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496 */ *REPLY SEPERATOR* On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 Eunice Thompson had this to say! Couldn't you folks who want to discuss or vent about Windows find a Windows mailing list or better yet, --start one. Can we just do Linux here? Thanks Eunice Mark Weaver wrote: it is...but often you'll find that all this venting is good theropy. -- Mark / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat * in order to get the rats up from below decks * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned! * * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496 */ *REPLY SEPERATOR* On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 Abraham Pinzur had this to say! Technically, WinME is Win98 without any trace of DOS under the covers. You won't find autoexec.bat. config.sys, or any of those files on a system with WinME preinstalled. *Technically*, best I can tell, WinME's relationship to DOS is no different from Win95 or Win98. Take it from a guy who's wasted a lot more time exploring those relationships than I want to think about... Basically Win9x's autoexec.bat/config.sys only affected DOS programs anyway. MS chose to leave them out in the newest iteration, assuming (fairly reasonably, actually) that nobody buying a new WinME computer would ever even think of running a DOS program. However, the dirty little secret is that if you ever have to boot off of WinME's rescue floppy, you're right back at the DOS prompt! BTW, I subscribed to this list under the impression that it was devoted to an alternative OS... =) - Av -
Re: [newbie] RE: Windows can't be written in VB
Thats exactly what I said the first time I responded. That the "kernel" was/is written in C and Assembler. But I guess that part was overlooked in all the other posts. -- Mark / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat * in order to get the rats up from below decks * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned! * * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496 */ *REPLY SEPERATOR* On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] had this to say! Well You are wrong First Windows Kernel is written in (C Assembly) Second Windows 2K is Win NT 5, Windows ME is just Win 9X Kernel with extensions. I my self work on both linux and Win 2K. and although it is easy to attack M$, but I must say that Win 2K is well stable and efficient OS. So if you want to attack be at least correct with your knowledge!!!
Re: [newbie] RE: Windows can't be written in VB
thats just the kernel. 7.2 refers to the version of Mandrake that he's using. -- Mark / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat * in order to get the rats up from below decks * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned! * * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496 */ *REPLY SEPERATOR* On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 S. Anderson had this to say! On Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 06:52:52PM +1000, keldmar wrote: windows 2000 is not that stable it crashed all the time on my system and was just a heap of shit. I would rather jsut keep using my linux 7.2 box then use my windows 2000 box hehe I agree with your windows statement, But i thought i would let you know linux is only up to version 2.4.0-test11. sa
Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux
When in doubt do some research into the best apps for your needs, on any OS, and then clone them or help a programmer you might know (Linux lists are good places to find them) to clone them for you as opensource. Once you got the basics of what you need it is much easier to develop specialized functions and features you might need added. I'm certainly not above taking ideas from other programs and then making my own version. Can't be that horrible a sin, afterall look at all the people who invented mindsweeper and tetris. ; Winmodems are easy enough to overcome.. just buy a cheap external modem and your set. I for one switched to highspeed access for both work and home and am very pleased with it. My biggest complaint is in things like digital cameras. I recently had the need to buy a few web cams to monitor a server room with and finding some that were Linux compatible was a pain. The process was to find one that was compatible and then search until I found someplace that had it, do a few price/feature comparisons, verify it is the same thing even though it has the same name, and finally buy one. It was very frustrating that the majority of supported models were slightly outdated and so harder to find online. I ended up buying a couple CUSeeMe (or whatever that is) cams for about $40 each and they serve my need. *^*^*^* Have the courage to take your own thoughts seriously, for they will shape you. -- Albert Einstein On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Benjamin Sher wrote: Dear friends: I would like to add my two cents' worth to this matter of applications. [Preliminary Note: I love Linux and especially Mandrake and have been supporting it by purchasing its official versions since version LM 6.1 and continue to do so (in spite of Macmillain's recent LM 72/Wallmart fiasco, which I consider a serious setback to Mandrake's professional standards and especially reputation among newbies for whom it is meant. Let's hope Mandrake/Macmillain never pass off a Beta as an official version again.] Now to the subject at hand: Two years ago I abandoned Windows 95 for good and installed Linux Red Hat 5.2. That was followed by Linux-Mandrake, which I have been using ever since. I was originally hoping to never again so much as look at Windows, and for the first year I was happily and blissfully free of it. But then, for professional reasons (broadcasts on Windows Media Player and Quicktime), I had no choice but to reinstall Win98 SE as part of a dual-boot system. I added an extra hard drive for Windows and this makes it much easier to keep the two OS's separate (using Lilo to switch back and forth -- thank God for Lilo!). I thought that would pretty much do it. But then a funny thing happened: we decided to invest a little money in the stock market, and to help my wife with her research, I decided to look for stock market analysis and research software programs. Well, I found nothing on Linux, so I decided to to go ZDNET's software library and see what Windows had to offer. I was astounded to discovere HUNDREDS upon HUNDREDS of financial programs of every sort, dozens upon dozens specializing in one aspect of stock market trading or another. I was overwhelmed, tried out a dozen or so and settle on what I thought were the best: SpeedResearch Browser (SRBrowse), EZStock and StockAnalyzer. Two of the three are also free (as in beer) and the third costs only $35. So, now I am more attached to Windows than ever and I don't like it one bit. Win98 SE may be better and more stable than Win95 (which was a nightmare) but, still, it's the same old unreliable, unstable Windows that crashes at the most inopportune times, crashing the OS along with any "misbehaving" application. Furthermore, Windows's multitasking is a joke. It can barely handle two or three applications at a time before crashing. I use it only when I have to, but, as you can see, I need it more and more. Bottom line: Until Linux, which is rich in thousands of applications, has an equally vast and varied collection of CONSUMER applications of every sort, it won't quite be ready for prime time. And this won't happen till Linux is much more popular. The old chicken and egg problem: no consumer applications until there is a consumer market for Linux big enough to justify it, and no consumer market until there are applications. Meanwhile, Linux as an OS, with its great and beautiful and configurable new graphical KDE and Gnome desktops (and even xfce and other light-weight desktop for those with low-memory) and its thousands upon thousands of applications (some for consumers, mostly for professionals) and its reliablity, strength, superb multi-tasking, kernel 2.4 (around the corner), wealth of browsers (yes -- Netscape 4.75, Netscape 6 -- when it is fully operational, KDE's Konqueror and, most importantly, Mozilla (now at M18 and moving ahead fast), is catching up with (has already caught up with?) Windows and
Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux
Patrick, You are right, of course, Linux is a paradise for coders and programmers, but beyond that truth is another, even bigger truth. That is that Linux is incredibly stable and powerful as a home PC platform as well as a dependable business workstation platform. -- Mark / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat * in order to get the rats up from below decks * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned! * * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496 */ *REPLY SEPERATOR* On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 onepatrick had this to say! Mark Johnson wrote: -Original Message- From: Benjamin Sher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 6:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux Bottom line: Until Linux, which is rich in thousands of applications, has an equally vast and varied collection of CONSUMER applications of every sort, it won't quite be ready for prime time. And this won't happen till Linux is much more popular. The old chicken and egg problem: no consumer applications until there is a consumer market for Linux big enough to justify it, and no consumer market until there are applications. And this won't happen until it's easy enough for my mom, wife, and brother to use and until the elite hacker attitude subsides. i cant imagine the elite hacker attitude ever subsiding. there will always be a place inlinux for hackers. yep, they have those little things called terminals . they dont need shells or kde's or gnomes. im starting to think they dont even need operating systems of any kind. but... linux is moving to include the rest of us that dont want to be programmers or hackers or whatever. mandrake 7.2 is very easy to use. i bet even your mom could run it. Linux is still a paradise for coders not users.. linux will always be a paradise for coders. it it more and more a paradise for users too. . However, most linux users don't care about running Quicken and such, for linux to win they must pull users off of Windows and onto linux (these are the only converts, you won't get a lot of MAC users to give up their OS). The intrinsic road block of linux is the "cult" personality, like MAC and BSD, us folks are generally emotionally tied to the OS. Most windows users couldn't give a flying flip that they are using Windows they just want integrated office products and the facility offered by those products (and to be able to run their games). i would agree and disagree. i know many people who wouldnt even think of leaving windoes. i know of some that use it because its because what most other people use. most people seem to be unaware of just dont care that windoes would destroy them as quickly as any one else to make a profit. its like they are brainless. that of course is my opinion. with the relase of kernal 2.4 i believe linux kernal stands superior to microsofts. time will tell They don't want to be system administrators, just like I don't want to be a car mechanic. I want my car to work when I drive it off the lot. I will never upgrade the stereo or engine or interior, i'm just not interested in doing that. But this isn't a morally depraved behavior, it's just the way it is. Meanwhile, Linux as an OS, with its great and beautiful and configurable new graphical KDE and Gnome desktops The thing is most ordinary users don't care what the OS is they care about the interface and how easy it is to get their job done and how easy it is to integrate their favorite apps. I don't think most folks even mess with their Windows settings. (Just showing my wife the "Send To" mechanism in Explorer is like pulling teeth!) Having said that, may the gods be praised for the efforts of the KDE and Gnome folks but there is still much road to build. The thing that should strike fear into the marrow of our bones is that if MS decided to build a flavor of Linux I think it would be a reasonable assumption that people like my mom and brother would ditch the Windows environment and adopt the linux platform because they don't care out the OS, tell them about micosofts behavior to other companies. and if they dont care what os they are using why would they care if they had linux. this doesnt make any sense to me. i would think that many people in the future would want linux just because its practically free and get updated on such a regular basis and because there are people that want to help them with it. i would agree that some people just wouldnt care no matter what. they care about the usabilty of the products and the availablity of the products. We laugh about the MS Linux website parody, but really, if MS ever decided to distribute a flavor of linux I believe they would give Mandrake, SuSE, RedHat, and etc. a very hard run for their money. if they did that, who would buy
RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux
And behind Mark's statement is an even more powerful truth, "if... you can install it and get it going". Because a stable operating system that you can't easily install won't be accepted. And I am in that league for example with my Pavilion 3625 - no sound. Since I don't use it anyway, I've let it slide, but it is a case in point as are the many questions thrown into [newbie] and even [expert]. -Original Message- From: . Mark Weaver Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 2:34 PM Cc: Mandrake Newbie List Subject: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux Patrick, You are right, of course, Linux is a paradise for coders and programmers, but beyond that truth is another, even bigger truth. That is that Linux is incredibly stable and powerful as a home PC platform as well as a dependable business workstation platform.
Re: [newbie] Hosed my system
linux should be on a computer by itself without be on the same drive or computer for that matter.the bios has to see which OS it is going to boot. Nothing but trouble is going to happen.. jack. I have 3 OS's on my portable and they boot without interfering with each other. Nothing bad has happened so far and it won't. Jo -- Jo, [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 12/3/2000
Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux
I SERIOUSLY doubt it because; 1) their programmers aren't smart enough to figure out HOW to cause Linux to crash every time the mouse arrow moves. 2) They would have to convince the rest of the Linux world, AND a lot of windows users to pay ridiculous amounts of money for virtually the same product, un-M$-afide, for free. 3) I'm not all that sure any of their programmers really knows a REAL programming language with which to create an M$-linux distribution. Besides...you really can't monopolize and leverage something that is open source and for that reason I don't think Mr. Gates finds Linux all that interesting. He can't corner the market where the Penguin Lives and keep it all to himself. -- Mark / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat * in order to get the rats up from below decks * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned! * * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496 */ *REPLY SEPERATOR* On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] had this to say! In a message dated 12/1/00 4:54:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if MS ever decided to distribute a flavor of linux I believe they would give Mandrake, SuSE, RedHat, and etc. a very hard run for their money. But, wouldnt we all just download it off the net for free instead of buying it in a store. I go out and buy the software to support the cause, I wouldnt but a microsoft product if i could download it for free ~Lance's $0.02
Re: [newbie] Hosed my system
On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 12:40:47 -0800 (PST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info. I've already went crazy deleting paritions left and right. I thought I would be able to just reinstall nt, but it goes thru to doing the exhaustive examination of the hard drives and then tells me I need to reboot and start over. I get to here everytime. Then I've gone in with booting off a win 98 disk and fdisked everything including my linux paritions(swap was formatted swap). I did try using the grub to boot to NT but there it would bring up the NT boot loader and when I would click on one of the choices it would say can't find NToskernel.exe (can't remember the extention). So now I've deleted everything on my drives other than one of the original NT paritions. And I still get punted trying to reinstall to a new parition. I am starting to think it may be a ata66 issue due to the fact during the NT install it is calling both the drives disk 0. I just got to work, so when I go home I will disconnect one of the drives and try again. --- Steven Kinch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 03 Dec 2000, you wrote: Not that I can't recover, but I would like to get some insight to what I did wrong. Last night I decided to install mandrake 7.2 on my system that has 2 hdds with 3 paritions on each. The last parition on both hdd's was a software raid 0 from NT. The first 2 paritions on each hdd had a copy of NT 4 that I was duel booting between (acutally one was a backup copy just in case). So I had 3G of free hdd space on the second hdd, with the boot loader on the 1st hdd, ( so at worst I thought nothing would affect the 1st hdd). So in this free space is where I mounted the swap and system linux parition. And here is where I think I might of screwed up. I formated the linux parition with ext2. From the install guide it said I would eventually be given the choice to rewrite the mbr or if there was another boot loader then you can choose to install some boot files to the first sector of the boot parition. Then you can just add an entry in the boot loader for linux. Well this step never came up, it went ahead and just installed the lilo/grub. And from there linux is fine but I haven't been able to get back into NT( and of course I spaced making a recovery disk) My next step was just to reinstall NT back into the first parition on the first hdd but basically NT wasn't able to work with my drives anymore to reinstall NT. So here is where I need help, as far as I can tell I need to go thru the linux install and wipe out everything on my drives, exit, then reinstall NT then try reinstalling linux using some other file system than ext2? I wouldn't have said so. Ext2 is clearly the right thing to put Linux on although the swap file is not usually ext2. I have heard about issues between NT4/2000 and Linux but I missed that lesson having always used the easier Windows (95,98 and ME). What you can do to get Windows back is sstart in DOS susing your WinNT boot disk and at the prompt type "fdisk /mbr" This should your old Master Boot Record back and you will get into NT4 because it takes over the system wherever possible. Then try getting on to your Linux Disk with the Linux Boot Disk and go to Drakeconf. Try using the Grub/lilo boot configuration tool there and tell it to install to HDA (first hard drive) for both systems. This ought to work. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ It's a pity you already seem to have deleted your NT-partitions. If your NT boot partition was FAT you could have edited the boot.ini file, which is the configuration file for NT's bootloader. If it is in NTFS you can make an NT rescue boot disk. You would need to format it using NT, then copy boot.ini, NTLDR and ntdetect.com, if I'm not mistaken. Three files are all it takes. Then you would experiment changing the numbers in the boot.ini file, until your system boots to NT once again. Example: [boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(9)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(8)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional" /fastdetect multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(6)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional" /fastdetect multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(7)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional" /fastdetect multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(9)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional" /fastdetect multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(10)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional" /fastdetect C:\="DOS" As you can see you can have up to 10 entries in this list. You can make this disk on another NT system. It will work everywhere I hope this helps. NT is not one of the more difficult' Windows. Just like with linux, it's all stuff you need to know...
Re: [newbie] help
On Monday 04 December 2000 03:04, you wrote: i've just installed linux 4 windows! after installation i clicked the icon from the desktop and then windows boot to linux with a lot of text coming then afterwards asked me for the login name then password, i entered the username and password then a word localhost with my username on bracket and i'm wondering if what command to be used so that i can enter to the linux desktop startx -- \ Christian A Strømmen / \ Number1/NumeroUno @ Undernet - Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ Web: www.realityx.net - Cell: +47 911 43 948 / Live your life by your dreams, not by the limits of reality...
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot
On Sunday 03 December 2000 23:35, you wrote: I have a dual boot computer with W2K and Mandrake 7.2 on it. The Windows boots from drive C: and the Mandrake is on /dev/hdb5 . When it was installing I was asked which drive the Linux was booting from and I said /dev/hdb5. I then made a backup boot disk for the Linux. The problem is that my computer will only boot Linux from the floppy and if I try to boot it from the Lilo in the MBR I get an error message that /dev/hdb5 is not bootable. How do I make my Linux partition bootable so that I won't need to use the rescue diskette to boot it. Both W2K and Linux show up as options in the lilo menu. I have checked the lilo.conf to make sure that the Linux is pointing to /dev/hdb5 and have rerun lilo several times. Thanks. ...Dave Stop right where you are!! Don't hose anything--it's not that hard, I dual boot NT and W2K with Linux on lots of defferent boxes. From your description, it looks like LILO may be installed exactly where it should be--hdb5. My experience has been that NT/W2K doesn't like to boot from LILO, so you'll need to use the NT bootloader to boot and choose your operating systems. So, once you have your system booting W2K perform the following steps: Do everything in Linux as root 1. Boot Linux with your boot disk 2. Mount your floppy drive (its probably already mounted, but just in case it's not the command is #mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy 3. Put a DOS formatted floppy in the drive and type: dd if=/dev/hdb5 bs=512 count=1 of=/mnt/floppy/boot.Lnx Remember, if LILO ain't on hdb5, you'll have to change the command to reflect where it actually is. What you did is copy LILO to a DOS floppy and named the LILO file"boot.Lnx" 4.Close Linux and reboot into W2K Now you need to write the floppy's boot.Lnx to the W2K "boot.ini" 5. Open Explorer and copy the boot.Lnx file to the root of your W2K drive 6. Using Notepad, open the "boot.ini" and add the line c:\boot.Lnx="Mandrake 7.2 " to the end of the file This is what mine looks like: [boot loader] timeout=10 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)WINNT="Microsoft 2000 Professional" /fa c:\boot.Lnx="Mandrake 7.2" 7. Right click on "My Computer", click on "properties"--this brings up the System Properties window. Click on the "Advanced" tab and the "Startup and Recovery" button at the bottom. If the first check box is unchecked put a check in it and then set the number of seconds to display before booting into the Default OS. 8. With no floppies in the drive, reboot and you should see your operating system choices. For anyone using WINNT, you might have to write your boot.ini file, because your's may be blank. Then at step #6 you'll need to drop to an MSDOS prompt and type: C:attrib -s -r boot.ini Then write your boot.ini file and reset your attributes by typing: C:attrib +r +s boot.ini
Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows
The Point Linux will never win its way into peoples homes until manufacturers decide to start porting their code to linux, so us people at home can use our digicams, scanners etc... just as easy as ever! (without even so much as a chmod etc) why should they wish to do such a thing when they're getting paid by M$ not to do such a thing? I say screw the manufacturers that don't want to play ball and let pay those in the Linux community that "can" and want to write the software we need to run our toys and gadgits. At least that way we'll be sure that the drivers are written correctly and will work.
Re: [newbie] help
type startx On Sunday 03 December 2000 18:04, you wrote: i've just installed linux 4 windows! after installation i clicked the icon from the desktop and then windows boot to linux with a lot of text coming then afterwards asked me for the login name then password, i entered the username and password then a word localhost with my username on bracket and i'm wondering if what command to be used so that i can enter to the linux desktop please help. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] help
On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Marlon Guzman wrote: i've just installed linux 4 windows! after installation i clicked the icon from the desktop and then windows boot to linux with a lot of text coming then afterwards asked me for the login name then password, i entered the username and password then a word localhost with my username on bracket and i'm wondering if what command to be used so that i can enter to the linux desktop please help. Not 100% sure I understand - do you mean youre seeing this: [username@localhost username]$ If so, thats the command prompt. Try typing startx and hit return...see what happens, and let us know... -- peace, Rog http://www.slammingrooves.com Registered Linux user #190719
[newbie] Defrag
This is probably me just being obsessive... Does Mandrake have a defrag program? -JD-
Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows
it _has_ an "install-shield". It just doesn't happen to look like the one thats in windows. Nor should it. there are some things, I would agree, that need to change, but one of them isn't becoming windows, or even Windows-like. Since I became a Linux user two years ago I've watched first RedHat progress forward with their presentation and the installation methods employed by their developers and now Mandrake for the past 9 months. I'd say that they've come a long way in a short time. I for one am glad that they spend more time on making sure that the product that they're releasing to the public is coded and working correctly rather than making sure its a hands-off breeze to install and get working. Reading is fundamental. that used to be a famous little slogan that everyone was familiar with on Saturday mornings while watching cartoons and in the Linux world it is still very true. Linux may not jump out-a the box and onto your harddrive ready for you to cruise the internet with "no" effort, but then again it doesn't need rebooted 2-3 times a day and doesn't cost between $300 and $700 per copy per machine either. Lets remember that what you've got on your computer is one of the most stable operating systems that many of us have ever seen and most of us haven't paid a penny for, but "many" have spent Lng hours coding, debugging, checking and rechecking...I could go on and on, but I need to get down off this soap box before I get a nose bleed. I think these few reasons are more than enough to bring Linux to a place of world domination. All that is needed is that intelligent folks first need to stop fearing what they aren't able to readily understand in a few seconds, and be willing to put in a little time and effort to get completley configured. What you end up with in the end is a machine that is as solid as a rock provided the user did a little planning ahead of time and made sure all their "hardware" ducks are in a row thereby avoiding any unpleasant surprises. -- Mark / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat * in order to get the rats up from below decks * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned! * * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496 */ *REPLY SEPERATOR* On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 onepatrick had this to say! Mr Monster wrote: Right, Ive been reading the mails about the pros and cons of Linux/Windows... Im running Mandrake 7.2 now, with not so much as a hiccup, everything is doing what it should, when it should - just the way i like it, and the way i suspect most other folks do too. I have one little problem.. I have a Primax USB scanner, and on visiting their website - have discovered they dont support linux drivers for their hardware, which is a little dissapointing to say the least... So I went searching, and found another site...probably run by a couple of guys in their own time, and unpaid, who are writing source and trying their best to get drivers for Primax scanners under Linux - These guys deserve a big jug of beer!!! and if they dont like beer a big glass of juice :) The Point and now a drum roll Linux will never win its way into peoples homes until manufacturers decide to start porting their code to linux, so us people at home can use our digicams, scanners etc... just as easy as ever! (without even so much as a chmod etc) i would ag4ee. for linux to really take off there must be some sort of install shield for it. without it linux will never dominiate the world. i cant believe hasnt thought of it before. :) I dunno if this means anything, or indeed if it makes sensebut dont all shout at me at once :-) And just in case you are all wondering ... yep I had to use M$ to scan my pics tonight :( ok, there are a few areas where linux is still catching up. there are a few areas in which linux is ahead. scanners unfortunately for u are one of the behind places Graham Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.btinternet.com/~kerr.monster Reg. User 153258
Re: [newbie] help
Try startx, but you may have to run xf86setup first - never having used lin4win before I'm not sure if it would have already setup X Windows for you. Also, have a look at the HOW-TO docs (should be able to find them at www.linux.com) if you need any reference material for xf86setup, and let us know how it turns out :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/04 1:04 pm i've just installed linux 4 windows! after installation i clicked the icon from the desktop and then windows boot to linux with a lot of text coming then afterwards asked me for the login name then password, i entered the username and password then a word localhost with my username on bracket and i'm wondering if what command to be used so that i can enter to the linux desktop please help. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Hosed my system
I have MDK and Windows ME on the same system at home, and MDK and Windows 2000 on the same system at work. Both run off the same hard drive. IMO, The bios doesn't care which OS it's going to boot. So long as the MBR or the first sector of the disk contain a boot loader it doesn't matter. My guess as to John's problem would be more along the lines of writing over the MBR that defines his stripe set... But NT is a fickle beast... -JD- On Sunday 03 December 2000 14:57, you wrote: linux should be on a computer by itself without be on the same drive or computer for that matter.the bios has to see which OS it is going to boot. Nothing but trouble is going to happen.. jack. I have 3 OS's on my portable and they boot without interfering with each other. Nothing bad has happened so far and it won't. Jo -- Jo, [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 12/3/2000
Re: [newbie] Old wp5 files
Any modern version of WordPerfect will read them. Probably MS Word will read them. (You obviously must run Windows to do that, or maybe Wine works?) Try StarOffice. I don't know if that works or not, but it's free. --doug At 01:51 12/03/2000 -0600, you wrote: Hello list Anyone know where I can find something to convert or read old wordperfect 5 files? thankya thankyaverrimuch
RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux
Rick, what "is" a Pavilion? I've never heard of one of those. Laptop? desktop? what kind of sound card is in it? Mandrake 7.1 has a lot of support for a lot of hardware, and I'm told that 7.2 has even more. Now...as far as sound cards go RedHat has even better sound card support then does Mandrake. I came from RedHat to Mandrake. I cut my Linux teeth on RedHat, but then I saw Mandrake for the first time, (Mandrake 7.02) I fell in love all over again. I had better printer support in RedHat till I got my Canon Bubblejet. And that was a little dicey but I'm stuborn and refused to let the "features" get the best of me. I tricked it into thinking the printer was something else other then a BJC6000. For a while anyway. The only programs I can't print from now are Pine and a few of the more generic text editors that I use. Printing from them though isn't really a necessity and if I need to print an email I just export it to Netscape Messenger which prints it just fine. -- Mark / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat * in order to get the rats up from below decks * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned! * * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496 */ *REPLY SEPERATOR* On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 Rick Commo had this to say! And behind Mark's statement is an even more powerful truth, "if... you can install it and get it going". Because a stable operating system that you can't easily install won't be accepted. And I am in that league for example with my Pavilion 3625 - no sound. Since I don't use it anyway, I've let it slide, but it is a case in point as are the many questions thrown into [newbie] and even [expert]. -Original Message- From: . Mark Weaver Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 2:34 PM Cc: Mandrake Newbie List Subject: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux Patrick, You are right, of course, Linux is a paradise for coders and programmers, but beyond that truth is another, even bigger truth. That is that Linux is incredibly stable and powerful as a home PC platform as well as a dependable business workstation platform.
Re: [newbie] how do i get off this mailling list
Which sounds vaguely like "how to become a registered linux user" :-) -JD- On Sunday 03 December 2000 10:32, you wrote: On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Mark Weaver wrote: I liked choice number two... ;) I toyed with the idea of telling him to send each member of this list a buck, and we'd take care of it for him ;-)
Re: [newbie] CD-Rom Permissions
Someone on the SuSE list told me how to solve this: do ls -l cdrom (or whatever your mnt file is called). It very likely points to something else. The output looks something like this: ls -l cdrom cdrom - sdc1 change the permissions on whatever the file that is pointed TO. I made mine 444, don't know if that's the best, but it seems to work. --doug At 08:27 12/03/2000 +0100, you wrote: On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, R. Edward McCain wrote: Create a group "cdwriter" in linuxconf, add yourself to that group, and then change the group permission on /dev/scd0 (or scd1, whatever the writer really is) to the group 'cdwriter' (chgrp cdwriter /dev/scd?) As my machine now shows: [paul@internet paul]$ ls -l /dev/scd0 brw-rw1 root cdwriter 11, 0 Sep 27 12:31 /dev/scd0 Paul I have the same problem - and no sound :-( -- I've just started tho. I need to hit the man's and rfc's and see why I got no cd's or sound. Machine Specs attached. On Sat, 02 Dec 2000, you wrote: I tried to get my cd-r working in 7.2 and now when I access both my reader and writer I get the I don't have permission to access it. I've tried creating new icons and everything please help me. mike -- I would only believe in a god that loves to dance. (Zarathustra) http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30
Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux
On Sun, 03 Dec 2000, you wrote: You are right, of course, Linux is a paradise for coders and programmers, but beyond that truth is another, even bigger truth. That is that Linux is incredibly stable and powerful as a home PC platform as well as a dependable business workstation platform Er, I've managed to crash the entire platform twice and wreak havoc on numerous apps just by playing around in my account (NOT as root) Example: kde control center look and feel screensaver kswarm setup move the 'number of bees' slider to 0 this causes the application to 'crash' Others are less reproducable, but I can cause Kmail to crash by grabbing a email that I cc'ed to myself, replying to it and changing the subject line and body - or something like that. I was being silly and I crashed kmail twice before I got the hint. True, my account didn't terminate on those occasions, but what's a stable platform without stable applications? -- Yours, R. Edward McCain [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 599146 Registered Linux User #196613
Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows
I'd just like to add my $0.02 here, at the risk of heading OT and being inundated with flames. I whole-heartedly agree Linux is a far-better, quality system than certain other OSs, and I have enjoyed many months of learning and working with it, and I look forward to many more years of learning. But (there always has to be a 'but', doesn't there :) - I'm a computer enthusiast - I work with computers: fixing problems, deploying systems, supporting users etc. I go home and I play with my computer - the case is never bolted on coz I'm forever pulling out cards and trying different hardware. I have stacks of CDs spread across the room coz I'm forever trying new OSs, apps and games - and when something breaks I enjoy fixing it. Trouble is, not everyone out there is an enthusiast like those on this mailing list - I've seen this analogy elsewhere many times, but I think it is worth repeating: Most people buy a car simply so they can drive around - they don't care what is under the hood. A lot add ornaments or extra bits because thats what they like. Very few actually care what is under the hood, let alone have any idea how to tinker with it. Most computer users (note: users, not enthusiests) just want the computer to work - it needs to be easy for them to stick their ornaments or extra bits in - but they're not interested in "tricky" things like dependancies, command lines etc (personnally I would prefer if everyone in the office were forced to use a command line once in a while...) At present, Linux is still relatively complex to set up and use, however it is progressing at a rapid pace. But until it reaches the point that your average Joe Bloggs (sorry Joe, just picking a name out of the air :) who works in the bakery down the street, can go home, turn on his Linux box that he picked up from his local electrical store, stick in a new game and be up and running in 5 minutes - it just isn't going to be popular to the mainstream public. My apologies for the rant peoples, just been seeing red over this sort of thing for a while. --- David Grubb - Internet / Intranet Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] +61 2 9895-7913 Department of Land Water Conservation Sydney, Australia --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/04 2:53 pm it _has_ an "install-shield". It just doesn't happen to look like the one thats in windows. Nor should it. there are some things, I would agree, that need to change, but one of them isn't becoming windows, or even Windows-like. Since I became a Linux user two years ago I've watched first RedHat progress forward with their presentation and the installation methods employed by their developers and now Mandrake for the past 9 months. I'd say that they've come a long way in a short time. I for one am glad that they spend more time on making sure that the product that they're releasing to the public is coded and working correctly rather than making sure its a hands-off breeze to install and get working. Reading is fundamental. that used to be a famous little slogan that everyone was familiar with on Saturday mornings while watching cartoons and in the Linux world it is still very true. Linux may not jump out-a the box and onto your harddrive ready for you to cruise the internet with "no" effort, but then again it doesn't need rebooted 2-3 times a day and doesn't cost between $300 and $700 per copy per machine either. Lets remember that what you've got on your computer is one of the most stable operating systems that many of us have ever seen and most of us haven't paid a penny for, but "many" have spent Lng hours coding, debugging, checking and rechecking...I could go on and on, but I need to get down off this soap box before I get a nose bleed. I think these few reasons are more than enough to bring Linux to a place of world domination. All that is needed is that intelligent folks first need to stop fearing what they aren't able to readily understand in a few seconds, and be willing to put in a little time and effort to get completley configured. What you end up with in the end is a machine that is as solid as a rock provided the user did a little planning ahead of time and made sure all their "hardware" ducks are in a row thereby avoiding any unpleasant surprises. -- Mark / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat * in order to get the rats up from below decks * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned! * * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496 */ *REPLY SEPERATOR* On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 onepatrick had this to say! Mr Monster wrote: Right, Ive been reading the mails about the pros and cons of Linux/Windows... Im running Mandrake 7.2 now, with not so much as a hiccup, everything is doing what it should, when it should - just the way i like it, and the way i suspect
Re: [newbie] Old wp5 files
Most excellent and cool. Many thanks and also to those who answered besides. Even tho only lasts 30 days, I just need it for a few days so it did the trick. I noticed a funny little oddity, but I think its just because of the printer script I am using off of linuxprinting.org the wp8 will not print correctly just from the wp file, but I can work around it by converting it to a .ps file telling it to save as such, then tell the ps reader to print it, hehe. On Sun, 03 Dec 2000, Paul wrote: On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Vic wrote: Anyone know where I can find something to convert or read old wordperfect 5 files? WordPerfect 8 for linux will read the old files and put them into most common formats. I don't know if it can convert things to what you want them to be, since you did not mention that. RTF will work, older Word formats will work, plain text will work. Paul -- I would only believe in a god that loves to dance. (Zarathustra) http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30
Re: [newbie] help
Marlon Guzman wrote: i've just installed linux 4 windows! after installation i clicked the icon from the desktop and then windows boot to linux with a lot of text coming then afterwards asked me for the login name then password, i entered the username and password then a word localhost with my username on bracket and i'm wondering if what command to be used so that i can enter to the linux desktop please help. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ maybe try startx? I'm assuming you installed x windows... I'm a newbie, too, to linux...
Re: [newbie] how do i get off this mailling list
it sounds more believable sometimes if you tell'em it costs more. I know...thats evil. -- Mark / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat * in order to get the rats up from below decks * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned! * * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496 */ *REPLY SEPERATOR* On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 Roger Sherman had this to say! On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Mark Weaver wrote: I liked choice number two... ;) I toyed with the idea of telling him to send each member of this list a buck, and we'd take care of it for him ;-)
[newbie] Crystal 4235
Does anyone know when the subject sound card will be supported? It's built onto my motherboard. I'd rather not have to install a second card for sound... -JD-
Fwd: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux
forwarded as an experiment. This message was bounced earlier. -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 22:26:32 -0600 From: R. Edward McCain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 03 Dec 2000, you wrote: You are right, of course, Linux is a paradise for coders and programmers, but beyond that truth is another, even bigger truth. That is that Linux is incredibly stable and powerful as a home PC platform as well as a dependable business workstation platform Er, I've managed to crash the entire platform twice and wreak havoc on numerous apps just by playing around in my account (NOT as root) Example: kde control center look and feel screensaver kswarm setup move the 'number of bees' slider to 0 this causes the application to 'crash' Others are less reproducable, but I can cause Kmail to crash by grabbing a email that I cc'ed to myself, replying to it and changing the subject line and body - or something like that. I was being silly and I crashed kmail twice before I got the hint. True, my account didn't terminate on those occasions, but what's a stable platform without stable applications? -- Yours, R. Edward McCain [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 599146 Registered Linux User #196613 --- -- Yours, R. Edward McCain [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 599146 Registered Linux User #196613
Re: [newbie] Video card question?
Unfortunately you do not automagically get hardware acceleration w x 4.0.1 and mandrake 7.2. I had to use the same procedures to make it work that I used with 7.0 and 7.1. I've got an A7V (Via KT13) and linux works great on it. Abe "Ronald J. Hall" wrote: Hmm, okay...I'm a little confused now. I thought that with Xfree 4.01 and Mandrake v7.2, if your video card is supported, then you get automagically installed hardware acceleration? Is that not right? Another question; I'm thinking about upgrading soon. Any issues with Via 133 and AMD 751 chipsets? Tyan motherboards? Thanks, all! ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/
[newbie] Fwd: ScanMail Message: To Sender, action taken by attachment blocking.
Any clues why Microsoft exchange is bouncing my messages to the Linux list? I have NOT, repeat, NOT attached any files to the forwarded message in question nor the original message. -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: ScanMail Message: To Sender, action taken by attachment blocking. Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 07:10:03 +0200 From: System Attendant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'R. Edward McCain'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has blocked a file attachment(s). Place = Linux Newbie Sender = R. Edward McCain Subject = Fwd: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux Delivery Time = December 04, 2000 (Monday) 07:10:02 Action on file attachment(s): Delete 'ATT00560.txt' at keith Message from recipient's administrator: Warning to sender. ScanMail has blocked a file during a real-time scan of the email traffic. --- -- Yours, R. Edward McCain [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 599146 Registered Linux User #196613 Title: ScanMail Message: To Sender, action taken by attachment blocking. ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has blocked a file attachment(s). Place = Linux Newbie Sender = R. Edward McCain Subject = Fwd: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux Delivery Time = December 04, 2000 (Monday) 07:10:02 Action on file attachment(s): Delete 'ATT00560.txt' at keith Message from recipient's administrator: Warning to sender. ScanMail has blocked a file during a real-time scan of the email traffic.
Re: [newbie] help
the command you're looking for us startx -- Mark / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat * in order to get the rats up from below decks * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned! * * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496 */ *REPLY SEPERATOR* On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 Marlon Guzman had this to say! i've just installed linux 4 windows! after installation i clicked the icon from the desktop and then windows boot to linux with a lot of text coming then afterwards asked me for the login name then password, i entered the username and password then a word localhost with my username on bracket and i'm wondering if what command to be used so that i can enter to the linux desktop please help. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot
If you're willing to spend $30, you can download Partition Commander from the web, and it's got a really nice partitioning/resizing utility as well as a bootloader. It's gotten me out of a lot of trouble. erylon hines wrote: On Sunday 03 December 2000 23:35, you wrote: I have a dual boot computer with W2K and Mandrake 7.2 on it. The Windows boots from drive C: and the Mandrake is on /dev/hdb5 . When it was installing I was asked which drive the Linux was booting from and I said /dev/hdb5. I then made a backup boot disk for the Linux. The problem is that my computer will only boot Linux from the floppy and if I try to boot it from the Lilo in the MBR I get an error message that /dev/hdb5 is not bootable. How do I make my Linux partition bootable so that I won't need to use the rescue diskette to boot it. Both W2K and Linux show up as options in the lilo menu. I have checked the lilo.conf to make sure that the Linux is pointing to /dev/hdb5 and have rerun lilo several times. Thanks. ...Dave Stop right where you are!! Don't hose anything--it's not that hard, I dual boot NT and W2K with Linux on lots of defferent boxes. From your description, it looks like LILO may be installed exactly where it should be--hdb5. My experience has been that NT/W2K doesn't like to boot from LILO, so you'll need to use the NT bootloader to boot and choose your operating systems. So, once you have your system booting W2K perform the following steps: Do everything in Linux as root 1. Boot Linux with your boot disk 2. Mount your floppy drive (its probably already mounted, but just in case it's not the command is #mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy 3. Put a DOS formatted floppy in the drive and type: dd if=/dev/hdb5 bs=512 count=1 of=/mnt/floppy/boot.Lnx Remember, if LILO ain't on hdb5, you'll have to change the command to reflect where it actually is. What you did is copy LILO to a DOS floppy and named the LILO file"boot.Lnx" 4.Close Linux and reboot into W2K Now you need to write the floppy's boot.Lnx to the W2K "boot.ini" 5. Open Explorer and copy the boot.Lnx file to the root of your W2K drive 6. Using Notepad, open the "boot.ini" and add the line c:\boot.Lnx="Mandrake 7.2 " to the end of the file This is what mine looks like: [boot loader] timeout=10 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)WINNT="Microsoft 2000 Professional" /fa c:\boot.Lnx="Mandrake 7.2" 7. Right click on "My Computer", click on "properties"--this brings up the System Properties window. Click on the "Advanced" tab and the "Startup and Recovery" button at the bottom. If the first check box is unchecked put a check in it and then set the number of seconds to display before booting into the Default OS. 8. With no floppies in the drive, reboot and you should see your operating system choices. For anyone using WINNT, you might have to write your boot.ini file, because your's may be blank. Then at step #6 you'll need to drop to an MSDOS prompt and type: C:attrib -s -r boot.ini Then write your boot.ini file and reset your attributes by typing: C:attrib +r +s boot.ini
Re: [newbie] Multiple XF86 config files. HELP
On Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 12:49:29PM -0500, John and Marcie Alexander wrote: I am a newbie trying to install the Nvidia drivers. I am trying (as a learning experience) to set everything up via tar balls. I have quite a few references telling me what I need to do - but in the /etc/lib directory I have two diferent XF86Config files (XF86Config and XF86Config-4) and neither of them contain the Load "gfx" that everyone says there should be. All I really want to know is what is up with the two files? John usually, Xfree86 4.x.x checks /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 for its config. And Xfree86 3.x.x checks /etc/X11/XF86Config. see 'man XF86Config' for many other places your XF86Config can hide. :) sa
[newbie] video blueing
Has anyone ever experienced a blueing of the monitor colors? When i switch my monitor between boxes (no KVM switch yet) I experience a strange problem: The colors that are normally white appear as a light/baby blue. This is incredibly infuriating as I have the rest of my system configured correctly. If anyone has seen this before let me know.
RE: [newbie] Creative PCI128 under Mandrake 7
Thanks, Francisco. It seems to be working fine. - Av - -- Av Pinzur / Crisp Graphics [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 03 December, 2000 05:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Creative PCI128 under Mandrake 7 Dear Abraham I have a Creative Lab Sound Blaster PCI 128, the module charged is Ensoniq 5880 Audio PCI and works fine!!! Francisco Alcaraz Murcia (Spain) BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Pinzur;Abraham;P FN:Abraham P Pinzur NICKNAME:Av ORG:Crisp Graphics TITLE:Web Interface Designer TEL;WORK;VOICE:615.633.4250 TEL;HOME;VOICE:615.633.4450 ADR;WORK:;;860 Golden Hollow Road;Dixon Springs;Tennessee;37057;USA LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:860 Golden Hollow Road=0D=0ADixon Springs, Tennessee 37057=0D=0AUSA ADR;HOME:;;920 Honey Prong Road;Hartsville;Tennessee;37074-3002;USA LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:920 Honey Prong Road=0D=0AHartsville, Tennessee 37074-3002=0D=0AUSA URL:http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav/ URL:http://www.crispgraphics.com/ EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:2817T173548Z END:VCARD
RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux
Well stated, Ed. I too appreciate the stable platform, but the apps are sometimes a different story. I installed Linux for the express purpose of getting more experience on the nitty-gritty end of things... =) - Av - -- Av Pinzur / Crisp Graphics [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of R. Edward McCain Sent: Sunday, 03 December, 2000 22:27 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux On Sun, 03 Dec 2000, you wrote: You are right, of course, Linux is a paradise for coders and programmers, but beyond that truth is another, even bigger truth. That is that Linux is incredibly stable and powerful as a home PC platform as well as a dependable business workstation platform Er, I've managed to crash the entire platform twice and wreak havoc on numerous apps just by playing around in my account (NOT as root) Example: kde control center look and feel screensaver kswarm setup move the 'number of bees' slider to 0 this causes the application to 'crash' Others are less reproducable, but I can cause Kmail to crash by grabbing a email that I cc'ed to myself, replying to it and changing the subject line and body - or something like that. I was being silly and I crashed kmail twice before I got the hint. True, my account didn't terminate on those occasions, but what's a stable platform without stable applications? -- Yours, R. Edward McCain [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 599146 Registered Linux User #196613 BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Pinzur;Abraham;P FN:Abraham P Pinzur NICKNAME:Av ORG:Crisp Graphics TITLE:Web Interface Designer TEL;WORK;VOICE:615.633.4250 TEL;HOME;VOICE:615.633.4450 ADR;WORK:;;860 Golden Hollow Road;Dixon Springs;Tennessee;37057;USA LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:860 Golden Hollow Road=0D=0ADixon Springs, Tennessee 37057=0D=0AUSA ADR;HOME:;;920 Honey Prong Road;Hartsville;Tennessee;37074-3002;USA LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:920 Honey Prong Road=0D=0AHartsville, Tennessee 37074-3002=0D=0AUSA URL:http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav/ URL:http://www.crispgraphics.com/ EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:2817T173548Z END:VCARD
RE: [newbie] Grub Editing
Mike wrote: Does anyone know of a way or location of a tutorial so I can make grub set my windows partition as the one it boots after 5 seconds of no response I did this just yesterday in Mandrake 7.2. Open DrakConf from the desktop, and there should be an icon for boot options, which will let you edit Grub's list. Simply select the Windows option and check the 'default' box. Lemme know if you need more help. - Av - -- Av Pinzur / Crisp Graphics [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Tetlow Sent: Sunday, 03 December, 2000 11:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Grub Editing Does anyone know of a way or location of a tutorial so I can make grub set my windows partition as the one it boots after 5 seconds of no response Thanks, Mike __ ___ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Pinzur;Abraham;P FN:Abraham P Pinzur NICKNAME:Av ORG:Crisp Graphics TITLE:Web Interface Designer TEL;WORK;VOICE:615.633.4250 TEL;HOME;VOICE:615.633.4450 ADR;WORK:;;860 Golden Hollow Road;Dixon Springs;Tennessee;37057;USA LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:860 Golden Hollow Road=0D=0ADixon Springs, Tennessee 37057=0D=0AUSA ADR;HOME:;;920 Honey Prong Road;Hartsville;Tennessee;37074-3002;USA LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:920 Honey Prong Road=0D=0AHartsville, Tennessee 37074-3002=0D=0AUSA URL:http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav/ URL:http://www.crispgraphics.com/ EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:2817T173548Z END:VCARD
RE: [newbie] Dual Boot
If you're willing to spend $30, you can download Partition Commander URL? - Av - -- Av Pinzur / Crisp Graphics [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christopher Trojan Sent: Sunday, 03 December, 2000 23:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot If you're willing to spend $30, you can download Partition Commander from the web, and it's got a really nice partitioning/resizing utility as well as a bootloader. It's gotten me out of a lot of trouble. erylon hines wrote: On Sunday 03 December 2000 23:35, you wrote: I have a dual boot computer with W2K and Mandrake 7.2 on it. The Windows boots from drive C: and the Mandrake is on /dev/hdb5 . When it was installing I was asked which drive the Linux was booting from and I said /dev/hdb5. I then made a backup boot disk for the Linux. The problem is that my computer will only boot Linux from the floppy and if I try to boot it from the Lilo in the MBR I get an error message that /dev/hdb5 is not bootable. How do I make my Linux partition bootable so that I won't need to use the rescue diskette to boot it. Both W2K and Linux show up as options in the lilo menu. I have checked the lilo.conf to make sure that the Linux is pointing to /dev/hdb5 and have rerun lilo several times. Thanks. ...Dave Stop right where you are!! Don't hose anything--it's not that hard, I dual boot NT and W2K with Linux on lots of defferent boxes. From your description, it looks like LILO may be installed exactly where it should be--hdb5. My experience has been that NT/W2K doesn't like to boot from LILO, so you'll need to use the NT bootloader to boot and choose your operating systems. So, once you have your system booting W2K perform the following steps: Do everything in Linux as root 1. Boot Linux with your boot disk 2. Mount your floppy drive (its probably already mounted, but just in case it's not the command is #mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy 3. Put a DOS formatted floppy in the drive and type: dd if=/dev/hdb5 bs=512 count=1 of=/mnt/floppy/boot.Lnx Remember, if LILO ain't on hdb5, you'll have to change the command to reflect where it actually is. What you did is copy LILO to a DOS floppy and named the LILO file"boot.Lnx" 4.Close Linux and reboot into W2K Now you need to write the floppy's boot.Lnx to the W2K "boot.ini" 5. Open Explorer and copy the boot.Lnx file to the root of your W2K drive 6. Using Notepad, open the "boot.ini" and add the line c:\boot.Lnx="Mandrake 7.2 " to the end of the file This is what mine looks like: [boot loader] timeout=10 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)WINNT="Microsoft 2000 Professional" /fa c:\boot.Lnx="Mandrake 7.2" 7. Right click on "My Computer", click on "properties"--this brings up the System Properties window. Click on the "Advanced" tab and the "Startup and Recovery" button at the bottom. If the first check box is unchecked put a check in it and then set the number of seconds to display before booting into the Default OS. 8. With no floppies in the drive, reboot and you should see your operating system choices. For anyone using WINNT, you might have to write your boot.ini file, because your's may be blank. Then at step #6 you'll need to drop to an MSDOS prompt and type: C:attrib -s -r boot.ini Then write your boot.ini file and reset your attributes by typing: C:attrib +r +s boot.ini BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Pinzur;Abraham;P FN:Abraham P Pinzur NICKNAME:Av ORG:Crisp Graphics TITLE:Web Interface Designer TEL;WORK;VOICE:615.633.4250 TEL;HOME;VOICE:615.633.4450 ADR;WORK:;;860 Golden Hollow Road;Dixon Springs;Tennessee;37057;USA LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:860 Golden Hollow Road=0D=0ADixon Springs, Tennessee 37057=0D=0AUSA ADR;HOME:;;920 Honey Prong Road;Hartsville;Tennessee;37074-3002;USA LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:920 Honey Prong Road=0D=0AHartsville, Tennessee 37074-3002=0D=0AUSA URL:http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav/ URL:http://www.crispgraphics.com/ EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:2817T173548Z END:VCARD
RE: [newbie] Fwd: ScanMail Message: To Sender, action taken by attachment blocking.
Dunno, but I got the same error. Maybe it's a passing server anomaly... - Av - -- Av Pinzur / Crisp Graphics [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of R. Edward McCain Sent: Sunday, 03 December, 2000 23:08 To: Linux Newbie Subject: [newbie] Fwd: ScanMail Message: To Sender, action taken by attachment blocking. ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has blocked a file attachment(s). Place = Linux Newbie Sender = R. Edward McCain Subject = Fwd: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux Delivery Time = December 04, 2000 (Monday) 07:10:02 Action on file attachment(s): Delete 'ATT00560.txt' at keith Message from recipient's administrator: Warning to sender. ScanMail has blocked a file during a real-time scan of the email traffic. BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Pinzur;Abraham;P FN:Abraham P Pinzur NICKNAME:Av ORG:Crisp Graphics TITLE:Web Interface Designer TEL;WORK;VOICE:615.633.4250 TEL;HOME;VOICE:615.633.4450 ADR;WORK:;;860 Golden Hollow Road;Dixon Springs;Tennessee;37057;USA LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:860 Golden Hollow Road=0D=0ADixon Springs, Tennessee 37057=0D=0AUSA ADR;HOME:;;920 Honey Prong Road;Hartsville;Tennessee;37074-3002;USA LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:920 Honey Prong Road=0D=0AHartsville, Tennessee 37074-3002=0D=0AUSA URL:http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav/ URL:http://www.crispgraphics.com/ EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:2817T173548Z END:VCARD
Re: [newbie] Defrag
On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Jeff Dickman wrote: This is probably me just being obsessive... Does Mandrake have a defrag program? Yes and no. The file system is so smartly built that it fixes defragging by itself, on the fly, in background. You need not do anything for it. Paul -- We are Microsoft of Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is - Fatal exception error in MSBORG32.DLL http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30
[newbie] disk space
Hello guys: Hear is my thing, I`m using mandrake 7.2, when i make th installation i decide to install everything in the distribution with out think how big, and how many disk space will use. Now, after test a few tools and aplications i have decide to remove thouse that I dont use. Using Drakconf I remove thouse packages, but when I look to see if the disk space in use was less, I get the bad news that I was wrong the disk space in use is more now. So my question is when I remove a package, the system hold any kind of information or back-up of that un-install it package? If it is so... where the system hold it? It can be delet it? Thankxxx you guy's.
[newbie] cannot send mail with kmail
Hi all, does anybody have any idea why the kmail "send" button stopped functioning. i use mandrake7.0. thanks for any help.
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot
add this lines to your lilo: other=/dev/hdxx label=w2k table=/dev/hdx map-drive = 0x80 to = 0x81 map-drive = 0x81 to = 0x80 note that you need to put the right xx in other and table. this work for me. good luck. erylon hines wrote: On Sunday 03 December 2000 23:35, you wrote: I have a dual boot computer with W2K and Mandrake 7.2 on it. The Windows boots from drive C: and the Mandrake is on /dev/hdb5 . When it was installing I was asked which drive the Linux was booting from and I said /dev/hdb5. I then made a backup boot disk for the Linux. The problem is that my computer will only boot Linux from the floppy and if I try to boot it from the Lilo in the MBR I get an error message that /dev/hdb5 is not bootable. How do I make my Linux partition bootable so that I won't need to use the rescue diskette to boot it. Both W2K and Linux show up as options in the lilo menu. I have checked the lilo.conf to make sure that the Linux is pointing to /dev/hdb5 and have rerun lilo several times. Thanks. ...Dave Stop right where you are!! Don't hose anything--it's not that hard, I dual boot NT and W2K with Linux on lots of defferent boxes. From your description, it looks like LILO may be installed exactly where it should be--hdb5. My experience has been that NT/W2K doesn't like to boot from LILO, so you'll need to use the NT bootloader to boot and choose your operating systems. So, once you have your system booting W2K perform the following steps: Do everything in Linux as root 1. Boot Linux with your boot disk 2. Mount your floppy drive (its probably already mounted, but just in case it's not the command is #mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy 3. Put a DOS formatted floppy in the drive and type: dd if=/dev/hdb5 bs=512 count=1 of=/mnt/floppy/boot.Lnx Remember, if LILO ain't on hdb5, you'll have to change the command to reflect where it actually is. What you did is copy LILO to a DOS floppy and named the LILO file"boot.Lnx" 4.Close Linux and reboot into W2K Now you need to write the floppy's boot.Lnx to the W2K "boot.ini" 5. Open Explorer and copy the boot.Lnx file to the root of your W2K drive 6. Using Notepad, open the "boot.ini" and add the line c:\boot.Lnx="Mandrake 7.2 " to the end of the file This is what mine looks like: [boot loader] timeout=10 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)WINNT="Microsoft 2000 Professional" /fa c:\boot.Lnx="Mandrake 7.2" 7. Right click on "My Computer", click on "properties"--this brings up the System Properties window. Click on the "Advanced" tab and the "Startup and Recovery" button at the bottom. If the first check box is unchecked put a check in it and then set the number of seconds to display before booting into the Default OS. 8. With no floppies in the drive, reboot and you should see your operating system choices. For anyone using WINNT, you might have to write your boot.ini file, because your's may be blank. Then at step #6 you'll need to drop to an MSDOS prompt and type: C:attrib -s -r boot.ini Then write your boot.ini file and reset your attributes by typing: C:attrib +r +s boot.ini
Re: [newbie] Defrag
ext2, which is Linux's standard filesystem, does not need a defrag programme. Neither does ReiserFS, which comes with Mandrake as an alternative to ext2. Only inefficient filesystems like M$ FAT and NTFS need to be defragged. A Linux defragmenter does exist, but it was designed for the older ext filesystem, which ext2 replaced. Using this on an ext2 or ReiserFS partition will not really prouce much of a performance gain, and may in fact corrupt your data. On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:16, Jeff Dickman wrote: This is probably me just being obsessive... Does Mandrake have a defrag program? -JD- -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. Your mouse has moved. Windows must be rebooted to acknowledge this change.
Re: [newbie] video blueing
phuqwit wrote: Has anyone ever experienced a blueing of the monitor colors? When i switch my monitor between boxes (no KVM switch yet) I experience a strange problem: The colors that are normally white appear as a light/baby blue. This is incredibly infuriating as I have the rest of my system configured correctly. If anyone has seen this before let me know. Yup, It infers that your monitor doesn't like having it's input voltages messed with. Get a powered switch or a 2nd monitor. Cheers -- ICQ#: 89345394 Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected" (The UNIX Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972.)
