date:20030911

On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 14:40, Aron Smith wrote:

 That is s/w for a 64 bit CPU
 try a urpmi minicon

Um...er, minicom is part of the normal Mandrake setup and available on
the CD's that you already have...it's generally installed by default
unless you specifically state that you don't want to install it...

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Re: [newbie] OT Somewhat (sorry!): How to change to top posting in Sylpheed,: Tangled threads Message-Id: 20030910164821.5cc9701c.heatheri@telusplanet.net

2003-09-11 Thread Eric Huff

Mine does top post by default (i am this time leaving it as is for
Femme's sake... :)

Maybe the text in configuration -- common prefs -- quote -- reply
format causes it:

On %d
%f wrote:

%Q


eric


On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:17:30 -0600
Heather/Femme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No I want to top post on purpose...by default sylpheed only bottom
 posts...so does Evo AFAIK.  Is there an option I missed to change this
 default behaviour?


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Re: [newbie] some question about tecnical

2003-09-11 Thread Eric Huff

 This is when I like to take the RedHat Mailing List Stance where the
 answers are short and sweet:
 
 * RTFM
 * GOOGLE is your friend
 * Open terminal, type man nameoffile
 * Format your system and go back to Windows


 * Ask JoeHill

  LOL!

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Re: [newbie] Blue Hash

2003-09-11 Thread Aron Smith

On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 21:37, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 13:25, Aron Smith wrote:
  On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 20:48, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
   On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 09:58, HaywireMac wrote:
   
I'm with ya except fer #1, but could ya give me a few minutes warnin' so
I can board a plane for Australia before the bombs drop?
   
   Pack yer swimmers and yer thongs, mate.
  JoeHill in a thong ? 
  OMG im gonna be sick.
 
 Thar's an awful lotta queer folk here that might like Joe-meat...but I
 don't want that picture in me mind...
 
 THONG = FLIPFLOP, btw...
well what do you call these?
http://www.wickedweasel.com/oz/galleries/main/index.html
 
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Re: [newbie] Blue Hash

2003-09-11 Thread Charlie M.

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September 10, 2003 11:13 pm, Aron Smith wrote:

 well what do you call these?
 http://www.wickedweasel.com/oz/galleries/main/index.html

Lunch?
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Is like being nowhere at all,
All through the day how the hours rush by,
You sit in the park and you watch the grass die.
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Re: [newbie] Blue Hash

2003-09-11 Thread Aron Smith

On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 23:35, Charlie M. wrote:
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 September 10, 2003 11:13 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
 
  well what do you call these?
  http://www.wickedweasel.com/oz/galleries/main/index.html
 
 Lunch?
Gourmet lunch :-
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 00:34:28 up 1 day, 29 min, 1 user, load average: 0.67, 0.57, 0.56
 Saturday night in Toledo Ohio,
   Is like being nowhere at all,
 All through the day how the hours rush by,
   You sit in the park and you watch the grass die.
   -- John Denver, Saturday Night in Toledo Ohio
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Re: [newbie] Blue Hash

On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 15:13, Aron Smith wrote:

 well what do you call these?
 http://www.wickedweasel.com/oz/galleries/main/index.html

LACK OF IMAGINATION.
I like one piece cozzies instead of those band-aides

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Re: [newbie] some question about tecnical

On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 16:04, Eric Huff wrote:

  * Ask JoeHill
 
   LOL!

Yeah, I know it's a laugh, but well, it's a laugh.

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Re: [newbie] Blue Hash

On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 16:35, Charlie M. wrote:
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 September 10, 2003 11:13 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
 
  well what do you call these?
  http://www.wickedweasel.com/oz/galleries/main/index.html
 
 Lunch?

Charles - you're sick, twisted, depraved, and we like ya like that.

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Re: [newbie] Blue Hash

On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 15:50, Aron Smith wrote:

 Gourmet lunch :-

I'd tend to reckon that gourmet food for y'all would be FRIED spam
with Gov't cheese on white bread with two different kinda tater tots...
(g)

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Re: [newbie] Astrophysics, Molecular Mechanics and DNA Research

2003-09-11 Thread John Layt

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:31, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 same quiet wit,
Quiet  Aussies???  And I have my doubts about the wit part too :-)

John (the by-product of an Aussie dingo shagging a Kiwi sheep...)

 
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Operating System designed for a 4 bit microchip by a 2 bit
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Re: [newbie] Blue Hash

2003-09-11 Thread Fajar Priyanto

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Access denied
Client address=192.168.0.233 
Client group=lansource 
URL=http://www.wickedweasel.com/oz/galleries/main/index.html 
Target class=porn 
If this is wrong, contact your admin and send all the above information
 admin.com 

Could you pls tell me what's on the page?
My squidGuard block it. ;p


On Thursday 11 September 2003 01:35 pm, Charlie M. wrote:
 September 10, 2003 11:13 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
  well what do you call these?
  http://www.wickedweasel.com/oz/galleries/main/index.html

 Lunch?

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Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Virus

2003-09-11 Thread Michael Adams

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:03:42 -0700
rikona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello robin,
 
 Sunday, September 7, 2003, 1:17:15 PM, you wrote:
 
 r There is also the factor that the average Linux sysadmin is a lot
 r more savvy than a point-and-click NT sysadmin.
 
 And both are almost infinitely more savvy than the new XP user,
 sitting on the net with no firewall, no AV program, M$ security
 defaults (wide open), opening that (supposedly) luscious porn pix he
 just got in an email, clicking on all those unbelievable offers from
 those kooky web sites, and... well, you get the idea.
 

Ahem, i tutor these people at SeniorNet.

They get sold a box with a firewall, virus-checker and windows update.
They wouldn't know it has a firewall, run the virus checker regularly
but dont know about the update button, and wonder if the windows
update reminder is a virus. I myself have only just learned about the
joys/pains of system restore which may or may not have been turned on by
the retailer. Many of the virus calls i get are solved with Ad-Aware or
Sy-Bot Search  Destroy. But it takes 2 hours to show them how to update
windows and there virus checker database before i leave the house


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Re: [newbie] Intel |Unveils

2003-09-11 Thread Michael Adams

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:24:28 -0500
Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tuesday September 9 2003 02:56 pm, ed tharp wrote:
  Well, I see Charlie already gave you a best answer. The only
   thing I'd add, is there's no sense in havin a 64bit desktop,
   till most all the apps you use are ported to 64bit. Same deal
   as dual processors (SMP).
 
  I might take a bit of this last one up with you Tom, that be
  there Winblows thinking... about SMP anyway.
  I promise there is a marked difference between an SMP machine
  doing anything in MDK-Linux, and the same machine with out 2
  cpus. in Winblows, including W2kp, and XP, if they ain't special
  SMP aware apps, there ain't no value, but in MDK, everything
  (when really loading up the box) is faster SMP. the visual
  difference is roughly the same as going from 128 meg ram to 256
  meg ram, as UP vs SMP
 
OK, we've got an argument Ed! ;)  I talk to people all the time 
 (Winblows users), they use their computers (if you can call ready 
 made laptops computers) to email, use as typewriter, or surf the 
 web. And they think they need broadband an faster computers. Most 
 of 'em hunt'n peck like I do on a keyboard, an consult with their 
 mouse. When they ask me for advice, I tell'm I don't do Windoze, an 
 I don't do laptops. Not one believes that M$ is their biggest 
 problem. I don't push the issue. Not even after they say I think 
 my computer has a virus. I just offer free Mandrake CD's and 
 support as my only solution. But I digress ...
 
Twin 1 Ghz processors does not a 2 GHz system make. It's still a 
 1GHz system. Same speed, just more lanes on the highway. If they're 
 open to traffic (software). Anything above 600 Mhz, single 
 processor is good for compiling kernels, specially 'make modules'. 
 That's about it.   BTW, with the lastest kernels a few weeks ago, 
 my 1.4 Athlon, oc'd to 1.5Ghz, plain old sdram, would take a stock 
 Mdk config an 'make modules' in 40+ minutes. Now with an XP 3000+ 
 oc'd to 2.3Ghz, DDR 400 sdram @ DDR 427, it doesn't even take 20 
 minutes. If it was dual cpu, it'd most likely still take close to  
 20 minutes. It surely wouldn't get done in 10.
 
BFD anyhow, everything else is hardly at all noticeably quicker.  
 My typin is slower I think.  An what makes you think addin ram 
 makes a system faster? If the ram amount was adequate to the task 
 to begin with, addin more just means it might be able to do more at 
 the same speed without VM (/swap). 'Cept for Windoze, then the 
 system gets slower ;  Or in all truth, a Linux industrial strength 
 multi processor server is slower too with a bunch of ram, if it's 
 used close to capacity.  SMP has little merit on the desktop.  For 
 loaded down servers, a dual processor system surely wouldn't even 
 cut it. Then bunches are called for. Just not on a desktop, ever. 
 
   So it's not about how fast, it's more a situation of how much. 
 Sure multiple proccesors can do more in a given length of time, 
 given lots'a ram... but for a desktop, No.  Desktop: UP, run it 
 hard an put it up wet. Overclocking will produce much more than 
 SMP. They only use one motor on winning race cars. The multi motor 
 cars are called 'crowd pleasers', but they're not fast, just showy.

Reminds me of the little aluminium 4litre toyota V8 that was being
shoved against a tank transfer box and way supercharged. 2000 horse
power into 4WD. I read about this combo more than once. Please note
folks, these were demonstration hot-rods and not really fit for the
road.

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Re: [newbie] 9.2 terminals

2003-09-11 Thread Paul

On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 06:44, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 08:33, Paul wrote:
  Just installed 9.2 RC2.
  
  Unfortunately can't find any terminals, bash, etc. i.e. no pretty little
  shell on the panel, using konqueror tp go to /bin/bash doesn't fire it
  up.
  
  Any advice please, on how I can start it up under X windows?
  
  Paul M
 
 What about:
 
 xterm, Eterm, konsole, gnome-terminal, xfterm, rxvt?
 
 stephen kuhn - owner


Cannot run any of the ones you mention from ALTF2 (except rxvt -
which I'd forgotten about until Chris reminded me).

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Re: [newbie] Blue Hash

On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 17:45, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
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 Access denied
 Client address=192.168.0.233 
 Client group=lansource 
 URL=http://www.wickedweasel.com/oz/galleries/main/index.html
 Target class=porn 
 If this is wrong, contact your admin and send all the above information
  admin.com 
 
 Could you pls tell me what's on the page?
 My squidGuard block it. ;p

Semi to Fully naked women.
Bad stuff, mate.

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RE: [newbie] 9.2 terminals

2003-09-11 Thread Tony S. Sykes

After a bit of a play last night, 9.2 rc2 seems to install very little
to begin with. You just need to just urpmi them in.

Tony.

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] 9.2  terminals

On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 06:44, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 08:33, Paul wrote:
  Just installed 9.2 RC2.

  Unfortunately can't find any terminals, bash, etc. i.e. no pretty
little
  shell on the panel, using konqueror tp go to /bin/bash doesn't fire
it
  up.

  Any advice please, on how I can start it up under X windows?

  Paul M

 What about:

 xterm, Eterm, konsole, gnome-terminal, xfterm, rxvt?

 stephen kuhn - owner

Cannot run any of the ones you mention from ALTF2 (except rxvt -
which I'd forgotten about until Chris reminded me).

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Re: [newbie] minicom on mandrake

2003-09-11 Thread Derek Jennings

On Thursday 11 Sep 2003 5:09 am, Stelio Pappas wrote:
 Hi

 I'm new to the support list scene so take it easy on me if I mess up my
 list etiquette.

 I am trying to install minicom on Mandrake 9.1

 I found minicom-2.00.0-2mdk.x86_64.rpm on rpmfind.

 I tried to install it and got the following output:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minicom]# rpm -iv minicom-2.00.0-2mdk.x86_64.rpm
 error: failed dependencies:
 lrzsz is needed by minicom-2.00.0-2mdk
 ld-linux-x86-64.so.2()(64bit)   is needed by minicom-2.00.0-2mdk
 libc.so.6()(64bit)   is needed by minicom-2.00.0-2mdk
 libgpm.so.1()(64bit)   is needed by minicom-2.00.0-2mdk
 libncurses.so.5()(64bit)   is needed by minicom-2.00.0-2mdk
 libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit)   is needed by minicom-2.00.0-2mdk
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minicom]#

 I figured I better download the dependencies from rpmfind.  I found
 lrzsz-0.12.21-1mdk.x86_64.rpm and tried to install it.  This time I got the
 following output:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minicom]# rpm -iv lrzsz-0.12.21-1mdk.x86_64.rpm
 error: failed dependencies:
 ld-linux-x86-64.so.2()(64bit)   is needed by lrzsz-0.12.21-1mdk
 libc.so.6()(64bit)   is needed by lrzsz-0.12.21-1mdk
 libnsl.so.1()(64bit)   is needed by lrzsz-0.12.21-1mdk
 libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit)   is needed by lrzsz-0.12.21-1mdk
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minicom]#

 Once again, I figure that I should get the dependencies.  This time I can't
 find ld-linux-x86-64.so.2.  In fact I can't seem to find any ld-linux in
 rpmfind.

 I had a look in /lib on my machine to see if there was a variation to this
 library.  I found the following:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minicom]# ls -al /lib/ld*
 -rwxr-xr-x1 root root   621127 Feb 17  2003 /lib/ld-2.3.1.so*
 lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   11 Aug 20 19:31 /lib/ld-linux.so.2
 - ld-2.3.1.so*
 lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   13 Aug 20 19:39 /lib/ld-lsb.so.1 -
 ld-linux.so.2*
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minicom]#

 I can see that the other ld stuff all seems to be linked to ld-2.3.1.so.  I
 tried cheating by making a link as follows:

 lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   11 Sep 11 13:25
 /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 - ld-2.3.1.so*

 Unfortunately,  when I tried to install lrzsz I recieved the same error
 message that I had without the link.

 Any ideas?

 Stel

Time for my weekly rant about how newbies should install packages.
*

If you want minimal trouble finding packages, and do not want to have trouble 
with dependencies then **please** follow this procedure.

1/ Any time you want to install something then first open Mandrake Control 
CentreSoftwaresoftware Install and use the search box to find the package 
you are intereseted in.  There is a VERY HIGH probability the package you 
want is already on your CDs  (minicom is)

2/ Anything not on the CDs is VERY LIKELY in an online RPM repository. Go here
http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/  to set up online sources FOR THE RELEASE YOU 
ARE USING!!
Set up sources for Contrib, plf and optionally texstar. After you have done so 
all packages in those sources will be available in your Mandrake Control 
CentreSoftwaresoftware Install GUI, and all dependencies will be sorted out 
for you automatically.
If you are a Mandrake Club member you can also add sources for' Club 
commercial' packages, and 'Club testing' packages. See the Club download 
pages for instructions on adding those sources.
(Pacakges may be installed either using the Mandrake GUI, or the Command line 
command 'urpmi')


3/The database of online packages needs to be updated regularly because plf, 
Club testing, and texstar are always updating their packages. So once a week 
run the command
urpmi.update -a  as root.  You can automate this in a cron job if you like.
If ever when trying to install a package you get a failure message, then run 
that command again.

4/ DO NOT define an online source for Cooker or for a different release to the 
one you are running. YOU WILL SCREW UP YOUR SYSTEM if you do.
(At the moment Cooker is the same as 9.2, so for the moment anyone testing 9.2 
should use cooker for the latest updates)

5/ DO NOT install packages from rpmfind.net  (except at your own risk)
You will find NOTHING in rpmfind.net that you will not find if you have 
followed steps 1 to 3 above.  The only other packages in rpmfind.net are 
packages for other distros, or for other versions of Mandrake. Yes sometimes 
packages made for other distros will work. More often however they will just 
cause dependency hell. 

6/ For the average newbie anything you might want to install will be found 
using the procedure above. If there is a package not available in ANY on line 
source then you must compile it yourself either from a .src.rpm or from 
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Re: [newbie] This is just sickening

2003-09-11 Thread Paul

On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 03:50, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 02:55, Networks East wrote:
  I think you were trying to say without due payment it is theft.
  
  But we understand.
  
  Like I said before, people can try and rationalize it all they want.
  Stealing is stealing.  People got caught.  And it is not like
  they have not been warning everyone for YEARS to stop.
 
 Look - if the Recording Industry doesn't want people to steal their
 music (or share it) then:
 
 1.) Stop playing it on the radio - it can be copied from there to tape
 or captured to a computer
 
 2.) Stop selling CD's - it can be ripped/copied irregardless of
 prevention technology
 
 3.) Lower prices internationally.
 
 4.) Back off into a corner and die quietly.
 
 stephen kuhn - owner

You're not suggesting that a large player in the music industry (such as
Sony) should stop producing CD recorders and blank CDs  CD-Rs, along
with the blank tapes, are you?

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Re: [newbie] This is just sickening

On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 18:21, Paul wrote:
 On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 03:50, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
  On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 02:55, Networks East wrote:
   I think you were trying to say without due payment it is theft.
   
   But we understand.
   
   Like I said before, people can try and rationalize it all they want.
   Stealing is stealing.  People got caught.  And it is not like
   they have not been warning everyone for YEARS to stop.
  
  Look - if the Recording Industry doesn't want people to steal their
  music (or share it) then:
  
  1.) Stop playing it on the radio - it can be copied from there to tape
  or captured to a computer
  
  2.) Stop selling CD's - it can be ripped/copied irregardless of
  prevention technology
  
  3.) Lower prices internationally.
  
  4.) Back off into a corner and die quietly.
  
  stephen kuhn - owner
 
 You're not suggesting that a large player in the music industry (such as
 Sony) should stop producing CD recorders and blank CDs  CD-Rs, along
 with the blank tapes, are you?

Audio CD's that have already been recorded to; if they don't want them
copied, then don't sell them at all.

stephen kuhn - owner
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Re: [newbie] minicom on mandrake

2003-09-11 Thread Fajar Priyanto

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Your direction is very helpful indeed.
Now I love urpmi more than ever, if only I have a broadband connection instead 
of 56K dial-up modem shared by the whole office :)

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 /end rant
 Apologies for the shouting. Obviously it is your computer and you can
 install whatever you please, but if you are a newbie, then following this
 advice will give you a trouble free Linux experience.

 derek

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[newbie] nvidiactl permissions

2003-09-11 Thread Anarky

   this is now the second day I'm getting these kind of errors (now 
when running k3d):

Error: Could not open /dev/nvidiactl because the permissions
are too resticitive.  Please see the FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
section of /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README for steps
to correct.
   I went to the faq there .. fixed it .. even ended up with my 
computer not starting up anymore .. because I only deleted on of the 
dri appearances .. not both ... anway .. now it's back again .. and I 
wasn't using k3d anymore ... I'm starting to get the impression that my 
Linux is cracking ... everybody says this only happening to windowses 
... but it is happening ... my X starts and logins are now takig longer 
... sometimes everything is slowed to a crawl ... today I found all my 
custom made tricking file associations in kcontrol have dissapeared ... 
yesterday I installed, uninstalled  reinstalled Firebird a couple of 
times on account of it not receiving input anymore ... things are going 
down the drain ... I think I'll try 9.2 rc2 ... or whatever ... linux 
people generally don't admit the fact that linux has problems .. and 
they blame it on poor configuration ... well, I've did my best now for 
quite a while .. and things are falling apart ... yes .. I am a linux 
person too ... but though I might seem shiny  happy to the outside I am 
turning a bit bitter ;-(
  


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Re: [newbie] Virus

On Wednesday 10 Sep 2003 10:02 am, Michael Adams wrote:
 On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:03:42 -0700

 rikona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello robin,
 
  Sunday, September 7, 2003, 1:17:15 PM, you wrote:
 
  r There is also the factor that the average Linux sysadmin is a
  lot r more savvy than a point-and-click NT sysadmin.
 
  And both are almost infinitely more savvy than the new XP user,
  sitting on the net with no firewall, no AV program, M$ security
  defaults (wide open), opening that (supposedly) luscious porn pix
  he just got in an email, clicking on all those unbelievable
  offers from those kooky web sites, and... well, you get the idea.

 Ahem, i tutor these people at SeniorNet.

 They get sold a box with a firewall, virus-checker and windows
 update. They wouldn't know it has a firewall, run the virus checker
 regularly but dont know about the update button, and wonder if
 the windows update reminder is a virus. I myself have only just
 learned about the joys/pains of system restore which may or may not
 have been turned on by the retailer. Many of the virus calls i get
 are solved with Ad-Aware or Sy-Bot Search  Destroy. But it takes 2
 hours to show them how to update windows and there virus checker
 database before i leave the house

Although senior myself, I have been using computers since 1981, but I 
agree totally with your comments.  What's really needed is for 
cyber-cafes to offer daytime classes, maybe 5-6 people at a time, 
where someone can teach them these things.  I'm sure that many would 
want to know, but need the assurance of a protected setup like this, 
and can't afford one-to-one tuition.

I had hoped to be instrumental in such a scheme at a proposed 
cybercafe, but the whole scheme fell through.  I'd still like to see 
it done elsewhere, though.  I'll bet reasonable fees for one tutor 
spread among 5-6 people could come up with a very fair price.

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Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:47:24 -0500, Joeb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 You might try opening a terminal and issuing a service -f devfsd which
 will restart devfs and recreate the links to the devices.  It may, and
 I repeat may, cause the new card to be read without having to crawl
 around to unplug the reader.
 
 Joeb

Nope. Worth a try, though.

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Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:38:09 -0500, Joeb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Actually, I just tried this with my smart media reader.  I don't have 
 supermount or auto enabled for the device (ie I have to manually 
 mount/umount it).  I put in a card and issue a mount /mnt/smedia and
 as expected the card mounts.  I then umount it and put in a different
 card and reissue the mount command and it mounts that card, too.  I
 forget all the details of the original post, but what happens if you
 replace auto with noauto in the /etc/fstab for the device and manually
 mount/umount?
 
 Joeb

I hate fstab. All those optional fields. Isn't there a gui
for it?

Anyway, I had this:

/dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto
user,iocharset=iso8859-15,kudzu,codepage=850,noauto,umask=0,exec 0 0

Not knowing which auto you meant, I amended the first:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]$ mount /mnt/removable/
mount: fs type noauto not supported by kernel

Hmmm, you must have meant the second.

Actually, I'm much encouraged by the fact that you can swap cards
willy-nilly. It means the problem is with my setup, and not with Linux.
Perhaps a reinstall or some newer hardware will help -- this is a
Celeron 300, on some random cheap motherboard.

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Re: [newbie] nvidiactl permissions

2003-09-11 Thread Anarky

Serge wrote:

to get 3d back you have to type as toor in a shell:

chmod 0666 /dev/nvidia*
chown root /dev/nvidia*
 

thanks .. yes, I know that ... but why does it happen again? .. what can 
I do to stop it happening again?


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Re: [newbie] This is just sickening

2003-09-11 Thread Paul

On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 11:38, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 18:21, Paul wrote:
  On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 03:50, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
   On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 02:55, Networks East wrote:
I think you were trying to say without due payment it is theft.

But we understand.

Like I said before, people can try and rationalize it all they want.
Stealing is stealing.  People got caught.  And it is not like
they have not been warning everyone for YEARS to stop.
   
   Look - if the Recording Industry doesn't want people to steal their
   music (or share it) then:
   
   1.) Stop playing it on the radio - it can be copied from there to tape
   or captured to a computer
   
   2.) Stop selling CD's - it can be ripped/copied irregardless of
   prevention technology
   
   3.) Lower prices internationally.
   
   4.) Back off into a corner and die quietly.
   
   stephen kuhn - owner
  
  You're not suggesting that a large player in the music industry (such as
  Sony) should stop producing CD recorders and blank CDs  CD-Rs, along
  with the blank tapes, are you?
 
 Audio CD's that have already been recorded to; if they don't want them
 copied, then don't sell them at all.
 
 stephen kuhn - owner

Should have added a 8-)

The phrase regarding 'cake' and 'eat it' sprang to mind.

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Re: [newbie] Astrophysics, Molecular Mechanics and DNA Research

2003-09-11 Thread ed tharp

On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 03:44, John Layt wrote:
 On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:31, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
  same quiet wit,
 Quiet  Aussies???  And I have my doubts about the wit part too :-)
 
 John (the by-product of an Aussie dingo shagging a Kiwi sheep...)
 

I have tosay,,, that is not a pedigree I see bragged about that
much...G 
  
 Windows is a 32 bit shell for a 16 bit extension to an 8 bit
 Operating System designed for a 4 bit microchip by a 2 bit
 company which can't stand one bit of competition.
 
 
 
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Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices

On Thursday 11 Sep 2003 11:08 am, RichardA wrote:
 I hate fstab. All those optional fields. Isn't there a gui
 for it?

 Anyway, I had this:

 /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto
 user,iocharset=iso8859-15,kudzu,codepage=850,noauto,umask=0,exec 0
 0

 Not knowing which auto you meant, I amended the first:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]$ mount /mnt/removable/
 mount: fs type noauto not supported by kernel

 Hmmm, you must have meant the second.

 Actually, I'm much encouraged by the fact that you can swap cards
 willy-nilly. It means the problem is with my setup, and not with
 Linux. Perhaps a reinstall or some newer hardware will help -- this
 is a Celeron 300, on some random cheap motherboard.

 Richard

Actually, if you set it up using HardDrake, you can answer plain 
English questions to get the setting you want - IIRC, though, you 
must use the Advanced button to see some of the options.

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Re: [newbie] Virus

2003-09-11 Thread Bryan Phinney

On Thursday 11 September 2003 06:10 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Wednesday 10 Sep 2003 10:02 am, Michael Adams wrote:
  On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:03:42 -0700
..snip
  They get sold a box with a firewall, virus-checker and windows
  update. They wouldn't know it has a firewall, run the virus checker
  regularly but dont know about the update button, and wonder if
  the windows update reminder is a virus. I myself have only just
  learned about the joys/pains of system restore which may or may not
  have been turned on by the retailer. Many of the virus calls i get
  are solved with Ad-Aware or Sy-Bot Search  Destroy. But it takes 2
  hours to show them how to update windows and there virus checker
  database before i leave the house

 Although senior myself, I have been using computers since 1981, but I
 agree totally with your comments.  What's really needed is for
 cyber-cafes to offer daytime classes, maybe 5-6 people at a time,
 where someone can teach them these things.  I'm sure that many would
 want to know, but need the assurance of a protected setup like this,
 and can't afford one-to-one tuition.

 I had hoped to be instrumental in such a scheme at a proposed
 cybercafe, but the whole scheme fell through.  I'd still like to see
 it done elsewhere, though.  I'll bet reasonable fees for one tutor
 spread among 5-6 people could come up with a very fair price.

Rather than offering day classes to try to teach seniors to hit a moving 
target by trying to secure windows, I would suggest day classes to teach 
Linux, so once they learn a few easy administration tasks, they are able to 
be productive with a minimum of effort.


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Re: [newbie] This is just sickening

2003-09-11 Thread David E. Fox

 You're not suggesting that a large player in the music industry (such as
 Sony) should stop producing CD recorders and blank CDs  CD-Rs, along
 with the blank tapes, are you?

Incidentally, you noticed that *audio* cd-r's are like 10x more expensive
than the same *data* CD-Rs, right? It's to subsidize the music industry 
but I doubt a penny goes to artists whose work might otherwise be 
compromised.

 Paul M

David E. Fox  Thanks for letting me
[EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   on your hard disk.
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Re: [newbie] nvidiactl permissions

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:17:13 +0300
Anarky [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 thanks .. yes, I know that ... but why does it happen again? .. what
 can I do to stop it happening again?

this is msec again.

you need to edit your /etc/security/msec/perm.local

so that /dev/nvidia stay the way you want it.

more info here:

http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/secure/smsec.html

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Re: [newbie] some question about tecnical

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:47:29 +1000
Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 Spare no expense when you can make fun of your mates!
   - Aussie saying

Glad to be a mate! :-)

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Re: [newbie] This is just sickening

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:24:28 -0700 (PDT)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David E. Fox) uttered:

 n***gg***

this is unacceptable, even with the *'s.

lose the racism or get lost.

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Re: [newbie] This is just sickening

2003-09-11 Thread JM5379

--- Original Message ---
From: HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] This is just sickening

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:24:28 -0700 (PDT)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David E. Fox) uttered:

 n***gg***

this is unacceptable, even with the *'s.

lose the racism or get lost.

-- 

i haven`t kept up with this thread but if this person is indeed
saying nigger then i agree completely that this type of mental
midgetry has no place here or anywhere else for that matter.

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Re: [newbie] Virus

On Thursday 11 Sep 2003 12:13 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote:
 On Thursday 11 September 2003 06:10 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
  On Wednesday 10 Sep 2003 10:02 am, Michael Adams wrote:
   On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:03:42 -0700

 ..snip

   They get sold a box with a firewall, virus-checker and windows
   update. They wouldn't know it has a firewall, run the virus
   checker regularly but dont know about the update button, and
   wonder if the windows update reminder is a virus. I myself have
   only just learned about the joys/pains of system restore which
   may or may not have been turned on by the retailer. Many of the
   virus calls i get are solved with Ad-Aware or Sy-Bot Search 
   Destroy. But it takes 2 hours to show them how to update
   windows and there virus checker database before i leave the
   house
 
  Although senior myself, I have been using computers since 1981,
  but I agree totally with your comments.  What's really needed is
  for cyber-cafes to offer daytime classes, maybe 5-6 people at a
  time, where someone can teach them these things.  I'm sure that
  many would want to know, but need the assurance of a protected
  setup like this, and can't afford one-to-one tuition.
 
  I had hoped to be instrumental in such a scheme at a proposed
  cybercafe, but the whole scheme fell through.  I'd still like to
  see it done elsewhere, though.  I'll bet reasonable fees for one
  tutor spread among 5-6 people could come up with a very fair
  price.

 Rather than offering day classes to try to teach seniors to hit a
 moving target by trying to secure windows, I would suggest day
 classes to teach Linux, so once they learn a few easy
 administration tasks, they are able to be productive with a minimum
 of effort.

The only problem with that is that the idea of installing their own os 
would terrify the majority, and they would not even have the comfort 
of family that already use it.  It is certainly the way to go, but 
unless someone has huge amounts of time to offer at low rates I'm not 
sure that it is feasible.  I'm not suggesting that no seniors could 
cope with this, just that for many it is a leap into the unknown.  
With a little handholding I don't think it would be any harder than 
windows for them, but who will provide the handholding?

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Re: [newbie] This is just sickening

2003-09-11 Thread Lee Wiggers

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:11:21 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- Original Message ---
 From: HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] This is just sickening

 On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:24:28 -0700 (PDT)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David E. Fox) uttered:

  n***gg***

 this is unacceptable, even with the *'s.

 lose the racism or get lost.

 -- 

 i haven`t kept up with this thread but if this person is indeed
 saying nigger then i agree completely that this type of mental
 midgetry has no place here or anywhere else for that matter.

Ditto

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Re: [newbie] Running program through SSH

2003-09-11 Thread Stormjumper

- Original Message - 
From: HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 02:32
Subject: Re: [newbie] Running program through SSH

 On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:54:07 +0800
 Stormjumper [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

  er, joe, actually it doesn't.

   does condition testing
   sends it to the background, but kills the app when term is
closed.
  nohup doesn't kill the app, but takes over the console, ie you
can't
  do anything else on that terminal

  the correct syntax is prolly
  nohup ./setiathome 

  alternatively you can run install and run screen, and run
setiathome
  in a screen terminal

 Thank you for correcting me sir, may I have another!

 Oops.

 I'll write it down this time so's I don't ferget... :-\

 Sorry for any inconvenience I may have caused in this matter.

wow, wat's w the formal langange.

Sir, may i and Sorry for inconvenience???
whatever drug u're on, i think i wan some for my kid brother...

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[newbie] Bug/Feature

2003-09-11 Thread Gilligan

In playing around I have found a bug that exists in LM 9.2b2 and 
9.2rc1 and KDE that Natuilus cannot read my Fat32 Windows drive 
properly. Under KDE I can see my FAT32 drive but cannot access it. Under 
GNOME (Konqueror using SuperUser Mode file mgr.) I can see my drive and 
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Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices

2003-09-11 Thread John Richard Smith

RichardA wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:38:09 -0500, Joeb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 

Actually, I just tried this with my smart media reader.  I don't have 
supermount or auto enabled for the device (ie I have to manually 
mount/umount it).  I put in a card and issue a mount /mnt/smedia and
as expected the card mounts.  I then umount it and put in a different
card and reissue the mount command and it mounts that card, too.  I
forget all the details of the original post, but what happens if you
replace auto with noauto in the /etc/fstab for the device and manually
mount/umount?

Joeb
   

I hate fstab. All those optional fields. Isn't there a gui
for it?
Anyway, I had this:

/dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto
user,iocharset=iso8859-15,kudzu,codepage=850,noauto,umask=0,exec 0 0
Not knowing which auto you meant, I amended the first:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]$ mount /mnt/removable/
mount: fs type noauto not supported by kernel
Hmmm, you must have meant the second.

Actually, I'm much encouraged by the fact that you can swap cards
willy-nilly. It means the problem is with my setup, and not with Linux.
Perhaps a reinstall or some newer hardware will help -- this is a
Celeron 300, on some random cheap motherboard.
Richard
 

I have this in my fstab,

/dev/sda1 /mnt/reader vfat iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0

but like you it will not unmount in GUI I get umount: /mnt/reader: 
device is busy

and ,
umount /mnt/reader
umount: /mnt/reader: device is busy
on the CL ,

so I have to reboot each time I change a card.

If you remove the entry above from fstab you will not have a device at 
all unless you specifically make one on the command line like this,

mknod /dev/sda1 b 8 1

and then mount it

/dev/sda1 /mnt/reader

At any rate that is my experience, don't claim to be an expert.
This is with M9.1
John

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Re: [newbie] Bug/Feature

On Thursday 11 Sep 2003 1:39 pm, Gilligan wrote:
 In playing around I have found a bug that exists in LM 9.2b2 and
 9.2rc1 and KDE that Natuilus cannot read my Fat32 Windows drive
 properly. Under KDE I can see my FAT32 drive but cannot access it.
 Under GNOME (Konqueror using SuperUser Mode file mgr.) I can see my
 drive and access it. I can read and write to the drive.

Gilligan, 9.2 is not a stable release.  rc stands for release 
candidate, which means that it is getting close, and no changes will 
be made to what is going in there, but you cannot expect it to be 
bug-free.

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Re: [newbie] Bug/Feature

On Thursday 11 September 2003 14:39, Gilligan wrote:
 In playing around I have found a bug that exists in LM 9.2b2 and
 9.2rc1 and KDE that Natuilus cannot read my Fat32 Windows drive
 properly. Under KDE I can see my FAT32 drive but cannot access it. Under
 GNOME (Konqueror using SuperUser Mode file mgr.) I can see my drive and
 access it. I can read and write to the drive.

Normal users not having write access to the windows partition is not a bug 
but standard security.

Good luck,
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[newbie] Strange use for multiple desktops

2003-09-11 Thread Lee Wiggers


Ladies and Gentlemen

I use kde with 11 desktops and want to open an OO presentation on
each desktop for a smooth transition from module to module.

OO insists that they all belong on the same desktop.

Linux always lets me do it my way or at least 10 other ways.
Anyone have a plan?

I posted this on the OO list.  They said sure you can but we don't
know how.

Lot's of MS fans over there.  Nice people otherwise.

Lee


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Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices

2003-09-11 Thread mike



John Richard Smith wrote:

RichardA wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:38:09 -0500, Joeb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 

Actually, I just tried this with my smart media reader.  I don't 
have supermount or auto enabled for the device (ie I have to 
manually mount/umount it).  I put in a card and issue a mount 
/mnt/smedia and
as expected the card mounts.  I then umount it and put in a different
card and reissue the mount command and it mounts that card, too.  I
forget all the details of the original post, but what happens if you
replace auto with noauto in the /etc/fstab for the device and manually
mount/umount?

Joeb
  


I hate fstab. All those optional fields. Isn't there a gui
for it?
Anyway, I had this:

/dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto
user,iocharset=iso8859-15,kudzu,codepage=850,noauto,umask=0,exec 0 0
Not knowing which auto you meant, I amended the first:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]$ mount /mnt/removable/
mount: fs type noauto not supported by kernel
Hmmm, you must have meant the second.

Actually, I'm much encouraged by the fact that you can swap cards
willy-nilly. It means the problem is with my setup, and not with Linux.
Perhaps a reinstall or some newer hardware will help -- this is a
Celeron 300, on some random cheap motherboard.
Richard
 

I have this in my fstab,

/dev/sda1 /mnt/reader vfat iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0

but like you it will not unmount in GUI I get umount: /mnt/reader: 
device is busy

and ,
umount /mnt/reader
umount: /mnt/reader: device is busy
on the CL ,

so I have to reboot each time I change a card.

If you remove the entry above from fstab you will not have a device at 
all unless you specifically make one on the command line like this,

mknod /dev/sda1 b 8 1

and then mount it

/dev/sda1 /mnt/reader

At any rate that is my experience, don't claim to be an expert.
This is with M9.1
John



 

I have a smart media reader ( dazzle ) which works fine supermounted. 
though i have to keep my 8 mg card in the reader or I will get Invalid 
disk read errors if I reboot.
I'm not at home now but if you write me off list I can tell you how I 
set it up at home.
( I like to do things gui too ;-) if possible )

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Re: [newbie] Strange use for multiple desktops

On Thursday 11 Sep 2003 1:58 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote:
 Ladies and Gentlemen

 I use kde with 11 desktops and want to open an OO presentation on
 each desktop for a smooth transition from module to module.

 OO insists that they all belong on the same desktop.

 Linux always lets me do it my way or at least 10 other ways.
 Anyone have a plan?

 I posted this on the OO list.  They said sure you can but we don't
 know how.

 Lot's of MS fans over there.  Nice people otherwise.

Try the kde Control Center  Look'n'Feel  Taskbar.  Uncheck the top 
item - 'Show windows from all desktops'

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Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:38:09 -0500, Joeb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Actually, I just tried this with my smart media reader.  I don't have 
 supermount or auto enabled for the device (ie I have to manually 
 mount/umount it).  I put in a card and issue a mount /mnt/smedia and
 as expected the card mounts.  I then umount it and put in a different
 card and reissue the mount command and it mounts that card, too.  I
 forget all the details of the original post, but what happens if you
 replace auto with noauto in the /etc/fstab for the device and manually
 mount/umount?

I mustn't have been awake when I read this post. ML gave a convincing
explanation for why this problem happens, and how I need to unplug the
card reader. Now you tell me yours works anyway.

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Re: [newbie] This is just sickening

2003-09-11 Thread Michael Scottaline

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:35:51 -0400
Lee Wiggers [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled
furiously:

 On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:11:21 -0500
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  --- Original Message ---
  From: HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [newbie] This is just sickening
  
  On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:24:28 -0700 (PDT)
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David E. Fox) uttered:
  
   n***gg***
  
  this is unacceptable, even with the *'s.
  
  lose the racism or get lost.

Gives new meaning to the thread name.
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Re: [newbie] HTML Validation

2003-09-11 Thread Todd Slater

On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 09:46:41AM -0400, HaywireMac wrote:
 I wanted to see if I could put one of them purty W3C validation tags on
 my site, but when I go to their site, it says that  is an invalid tag
 enclosure. WTF am I supposed to use?!

Is that the only problem? Have you declared the doctype and charset
properly? Are you using  or  in your page, rather than a proper
code like lt; and gt;

Those are the only things that come to mind.

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Re: [newbie] HTML Validation

2003-09-11 Thread Ralph Slooten

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:46:41 -0400
HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Hey y'all, kinda OT, but WTF, it's a simple (I hope) question.
 
 I wanted to see if I could put one of them purty W3C validation tags on
 my site, but when I go to their site, it says that  is an invalid tag
 enclosure. WTF am I supposed to use?!

No, it's probably something in there somewhere, enclosed in the tags. There is a
pointer thingy showing where the error normally is, however this totally depends
on your used fonts and so on, else it's rendered incorrectly and it appears that
the bog is something else.   are standard in html / php / xml, so that cannot
be the reason. Maybe posting the chunk of code around the error region to this
list would help you more?


 I followed the conventions according to the W3C tutorials and such, but
 they don't seem to like my version of  maybe? Is the a new version of
 , LOL!

LOL ;-) As I said,   are standard... no ways of making a page without it ;-)


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Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices

2003-09-11 Thread John Richard Smith

Bryan Phinney wrote:

On Thursday 11 September 2003 09:36 am, John Richard Smith wrote:

 

I have this in my fstab,

/dev/sda1 /mnt/reader vfat iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0

but like you it will not unmount in GUI I get umount: /mnt/reader:
device is busy
and ,
umount /mnt/reader
umount: /mnt/reader: device is busy
on the CL ,

so I have to reboot each time I change a card.

If you remove the entry above from fstab you will not have a device at
all unless you specifically make one on the command line like this,
mknod /dev/sda1 b 8 1

and then mount it

/dev/sda1 /mnt/reader

At any rate that is my experience, don't claim to be an expert.
This is with M9.1
John
   

One thing to keep in mind about mounted drives, especially with removable 
media is that once you mount the drive and open it up with any application, 
the drive will stay active until the application is closed.  So, if I open a 
konqueror window and navigate to the removable drive, even if I then move 
back to a hard drive partition, the removable device will stay busy until I 
close Konqueror.

If I open a command prompt, cd to the /mnt/removable device and then cd back 
to /home/user, the device will still stay busy until I close the prompt.  
That is in the GUI.

It does the same thing with a CD or DVD device.  Not sure if this is material 
but thought I would mention it just in case.

 

I feel that to be correct. The device remains open until closed , 
trouble is I cann't get it to close anywhich way,once opened,  and so I 
cannot unmount.
I close the reader window, attempt unmount with rightmouse to to umount, 
and get that message.
So lets try that on the CL as well
[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# cd /mnt/reader
[EMAIL PROTECTED] reader]# ls
dcim/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] reader]# cd dcim
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dcim]# ls
100v1310/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dcim]# cd 100v1310
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 100v1310]# ls
dsci0001.jpg*  dsci0006.jpg*  dsci0011.jpg*  dsci0016.jpg*  dsci0021.jpg*
dsci0002.jpg*  dsci0007.jpg*  dsci0012.jpg*  dsci0017.jpg*
dsci0003.jpg*  dsci0008.jpg*  dsci0013.jpg*  dsci0018.jpg*
dsci0004.jpg*  dsci0009.jpg*  dsci0014.jpg*  dsci0019.jpg*
dsci0005.jpg*  dsci0010.jpg*  dsci0015.jpg*  dsci0020.jpg*
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 100v1310]# cd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# umount /mnt/reader

ok so that appears to work now lets put another card in,

[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# mount /mnt/reader
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
  or too many mounted file systems
I don't think it really closed the app before umounting

Seems like I got to remove the device and remake it again and then 
remount it to get the card to be read again, which is a pain , I might 
just as well reboot, but still I'm no expert I could be completely 
wrong. I mean the device is 9/10's there and it does work, but I still 
have this little glitch.

John



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Re: [newbie] HTML Validation

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:19:12 +0200
Ralph Slooten [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 No, it's probably something in there somewhere, enclosed in the tags.
 There is a pointer thingy showing where the error normally is, however
 this totally depends on your used fonts and so on, else it's rendered
 incorrectly and it appears that the bog is something else.   are
 standard in html / php / xml, so that cannot be the reason. Maybe
 posting the chunk of code around the error region to this list would
 help you more?


This is the exact output from the attempted validation:

This page is not Valid -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.0S//EN!

Below are the results of attempting to parse this document with an SGML
parser.

   1. Line 2, column 0: character  invalid

  HTML
  ^

   2. Line 2, column 0: cannot continue because of previous errors

  HTML
  ^

Below is the source input I used for this validation:

   1: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.0S//EN
   2: HTML
   3:  HEAD
   4:   TITLEOrderInChaos/TITLE

Thanks guys!

One thing, the web pages do not actually have the .htm or .html
extension, they are .php, as I use one little bit of .php to display my
uptime. Could that be the prob?



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Re: [newbie] HTML Validation

2003-09-11 Thread JM5379

you don't have a closing  on the DOCTYPE statement

--- Original Message ---
From: HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] HTML Validation

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:19:12 +0200
Ralph Slooten [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 No, it's probably something in there somewhere, enclosed in
the tags.
 There is a pointer thingy showing where the error normally is,
however
 this totally depends on your used fonts and so on, else it's
rendered
 incorrectly and it appears that the bog is something else.   are
 standard in html / php / xml, so that cannot be the reason. Maybe
 posting the chunk of code around the error region to this list
would
 help you more?

This is the exact output from the attempted validation:

This page is not Valid -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.0S//EN!

Below are the results of attempting to parse this document with
an SGML
parser.

   1. Line 2, column 0: character  invalid

  HTML
  ^

   2. Line 2, column 0: cannot continue because of previous errors

  HTML
  ^

Below is the source input I used for this validation:

   1: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.0S//EN
   2: HTML
   3:  HEAD
   4:   TITLEOrderInChaos/TITLE

Thanks guys!

One thing, the web pages do not actually have the .htm or .html
extension, they are .php, as I use one little bit of .php to
display my
uptime. Could that be the prob?

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Re: [newbie] HTML Validation

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:35:58 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 you don't have a closing  on the DOCTYPE statement

D'oh! Well, that got me past the first error, now I've only got 149 more
to fix, aaarggg!

Thanks!

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Re: [newbie] Bug/Feature

On Thursday 11 September 2003 16:49, Gilligan wrote:
 My E: drive is Fat32 and owned by root. How can I change this so it's
 owned by me? I've about RWX and groups,users,etc. Still lost. Too much
 MicroSoft bull.

The gui way would be to change ownership using the file manager as su, 
right-clicking the directory and choosing properties. Change ownership and 
or permissions in the there. Be sure to mark apply to all subdiercties 
etc as well or you still won't get far:o)

the console way (and quicker) would be (as su)
chmod or chown. Read up on those using man chown on the same 
commandline.

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Re: [newbie] newbie questions

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:24:04 -0500, Wilson, Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Ok so if I backup /home, does that also backup the user information
 (username and passwds?) I know each user has a directory under /home. 

If you back up /home, you do back up personal data, but usernames and
passwords are held in /etc along with most (all?) system settings.
Personal settings are in hidden files in the user's home directory, so
don't forget these.

If you reinstall, rather than upgrade, create users with the same names
and in the same order as before, because each user has a consecutively
issued id number and life will be much easier for you if these match.

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Re: [newbie] HTML Validation

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:45:05 -0400
HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

  now I've only got 149 more to fix,

down to only 44, thanks to html-tidy, rpm's avail thru urpmi tidy.

Cool!

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Re: [newbie] Virus

On Thursday 11 Sep 2003 3:29 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote:
   ..snip
  
 They get sold a box with a firewall, virus-checker and
 windows update. They wouldn't know it has a firewall, run
 the virus checker regularly but dont know about the
 update button, and wonder if the windows update reminder
 is a virus. I myself have only just learned about the
 joys/pains of system restore which may or may not have been
 turned on by the retailer. Many of the virus calls i get
 are solved with Ad-Aware or Sy-Bot Search  Destroy. But it
 takes 2 hours to show them how to update windows and there
 virus checker database before i leave the house
   
Although senior myself, I have been using computers since
1981, but I agree totally with your comments.  What's really
needed is for cyber-cafes to offer daytime classes, maybe 5-6
people at a time, where someone can teach them these things. 
I'm sure that many would want to know, but need the assurance
of a protected setup like this, and can't afford one-to-one
tuition.
   
I had hoped to be instrumental in such a scheme at a proposed
cybercafe, but the whole scheme fell through.  I'd still like
to see it done elsewhere, though.  I'll bet reasonable fees
for one tutor spread among 5-6 people could come up with a
very fair price.
  
   Rather than offering day classes to try to teach seniors to hit
   a moving target by trying to secure windows, I would suggest
   day classes to teach Linux, so once they learn a few easy
   administration tasks, they are able to be productive with a
   minimum of effort.
 
  The only problem with that is that the idea of installing their
  own os would terrify the majority, and they would not even have
  the comfort of family that already use it.  It is certainly the
  way to go, but unless someone has huge amounts of time to offer
  at low rates I'm not sure that it is feasible.  I'm not
  suggesting that no seniors could cope with this, just that for
  many it is a leap into the unknown. With a little handholding I
  don't think it would be any harder than windows for them, but who
  will provide the handholding?

 Provided that they are going to spend ~$100 for the Windows OS,
 ~$50 for the anti-virus software, ~$200 for the Office suite, and
 whatever other costs get rolled into software that is purchased,
 say a decent firewall or whatever, I am sure that someone would be
 willing to do the initial installation of Linux for them for a
 similar price.  If anyone that I knew asked me, ~150 or so would
 buy my time to do a setup of Linux good enough for someone who was
 just going to use standard flavor Linux apps, plus a couple of
 remote support calls if something came up afterward.

I'm sure it is feasible - the whole cost would probably still be less 
than a wondows-loaded pc if someone could find a way of getting to 
them early, i.e. before they have spent their hard-earned pension on 
M$ crap.  thinking aloud Of course if someone with a business could 
run a seniors intro, with a few machines available, some loaded with 
windows and some with linux, and price tags for the whole setup 
including office software (probably not *the* office, they would buy 
'works' instead), virus protection, firewall, internet setup and so 
on...   Let them try them and find that they can use either equally 
easily.

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Re: [newbie] Bug/Feature

I don't understand you - under KDE File Manager Super User Mode is 
Konqueror running as SU.

Anne

On Thursday 11 Sep 2003 2:34 pm, Gilligan wrote:
 I agree. What gets me is I can do it as a user(SU) under GNOME.
 GNOME has the feature to use FileMgr as SU. KDE doesn't have this
 feature. I wish it did.
 There must be a way to do it under KDE.

 Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Thursday 11 Sep 2003 1:39 pm, Gilligan wrote:
 In playing around I have found a bug that exists in LM 9.2b2
  and 9.2rc1 and KDE that Natuilus cannot read my Fat32 Windows
  drive properly. Under KDE I can see my FAT32 drive but cannot
  access it. Under GNOME (Konqueror using SuperUser Mode file
  mgr.) I can see my drive and access it. I can read and write to
  the drive.
 
 Gilligan, 9.2 is not a stable release.  rc stands for release
 candidate, which means that it is getting close, and no changes
  will be made to what is going in there, but you cannot expect it
  to be bug-free.
 
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Re: [newbie] Strange use for multiple desktops

On Thursday 11 Sep 2003 3:10 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote:
 On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:00:46 +0100

 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Thursday 11 Sep 2003 1:58 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote:
   Ladies and Gentlemen
  
   I use kde with 11 desktops and want to open an OO presentation
   on each desktop for a smooth transition from module to module.
  
   OO insists that they all belong on the same desktop.
  
   Linux always lets me do it my way or at least 10 other ways.
   Anyone have a plan?
  
   I posted this on the OO list.  They said sure you can but we
   don't know how.
  
   Lot's of MS fans over there.  Nice people otherwise.
 
  Try the kde Control Center  Look'n'Feel  Taskbar.  Uncheck the
  top item - 'Show windows from all desktops'
 
  Anne

 No joy there.  Only opening one instance of OO.  Sounds like I'd
 better start practicing with windows on one desktop.

 Unless anyone else has a thought..?

Obviously I misunderstood you.  You want one instance of OOo to have 
different pages on each desktop?  That sounds unlikely to me.

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Re: [newbie] Strange use for multiple desktops

On Thursday 11 Sep 2003 3:15 pm, Tony S. Sykes wrote:
 Can't you just open them up and right click and send to other
 desktops?

Surely that would send the application, not the page?

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Re: [newbie] Bug/Feature

On Thursday 11 Sep 2003 4:45 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
 On Thursday 11 September 2003 16:49, Gilligan wrote:
  My E: drive is Fat32 and owned by root. How can I change this
  so it's owned by me? I've about RWX and groups,users,etc. Still
  lost. Too much MicroSoft bull.

 The gui way would be to change ownership using the file manager as
 su, right-clicking the directory and choosing properties.
 Change ownership and or permissions in the there. Be sure to mark
 apply to all subdiercties etc as well or you still won't get
 far:o)

 the console way (and quicker) would be (as su)
 chmod or chown. Read up on those using man chown on the same
 commandline.

I think it is not possible to change ownership or permissions on a 
fat32 drive.  It's still possible to use the 'user' flag and rw in 
the fstab line, though.

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Re: [newbie] Strange use for multiple desktops

2003-09-11 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons

Lee Wiggers wrote:

Ladies and Gentlemen

I use kde with 11 desktops and want to open an OO presentation on
each desktop for a smooth transition from module to module.
OO insists that they all belong on the same desktop.

Linux always lets me do it my way or at least 10 other ways.
Anyone have a plan?
I posted this on the OO list.  They said sure you can but we don't
know how.
Lot's of MS fans over there.  Nice people otherwise.

Lee

How does OO insist it belongs to one desktop?  Does it group all of the 
open instances of OO into one slot on the taskbar?  If so you can just 
right click on theie entry in the taskbar and send the individual docs 
to different desktops. 

You can also disable the grouping of the tasks in KDE by going to KDE 
Button = Configuration = KDE = LookNFeel = Taskbar and changing 
Group Similar Tasks to Never.

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Re: [newbie] HTML Validation

2003-09-11 Thread John Wilson

On September 11, 2003 08:31 am, HaywireMac wrote:
#snip!
 Below is the source input I used for this validation:

1: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.0S//EN
2: HTML
3:  HEAD
4:   TITLEOrderInChaos/TITLE

 Thanks guys!

 One thing, the web pages do not actually have the .htm or .html
 extension, they are .php, as I use one little bit of .php to display my
 uptime. Could that be the prob?

Check line 1...you forgot to close the  on the DOCTYPE declaration.

And shouldn't you be declaring HTML 4.x 

As for the PHP extention, I don't think that's a problem, Joe. 

ttfn

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Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions

2003-09-11 Thread robin

Michael Lothian wrote:

Your best bet is going to be a motherboard that uses a via chipset (as 
apposed to an nvidea one)

As these are very well supported under linux. Maybe your best going 
for a KT400 instead of the newer KT600 as linux is always a little 
behind in supporting new features.

As most motherboard manufacturers stick to the standard chipset from 
via and don't substitute them for others everything should work out 
the box. It's only when the manufacturer decides that sticking some 
cheep network/sound/name_of_device_here chip instead that people 
have problems in linux.

Also people can have trouble with Nvideas stuff as they require 
drivers which aren't GPLd (IFAIK) which means if you try and change 
your kernel without setting up your drivers again linux won't boot up :(

I think that was everything. In short buy a very popular board that 
uses a via chipset as more linux people will use them and write 
drivers for them. ;)

If you don't use a soundcard, check that the onboard soundchip on a via 
baord works under Mandrake. Some boards have really cruddy soundchips 
that require not only that you install a bunch of drivers (in Windows, 
anyway) but install them in the right order and before you install 
various other drivers. I couldn't get my mother's sound chip to work 
under Linux - but there again I couldn't get it to work under Windows 
either ;-)

Sir Robin

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Re: [newbie] Virus

2003-09-11 Thread robin

Stephen Kuhn wrote:

On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 23:26, HaywireMac wrote:
 

On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 21:40:29 +1000
Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
   

Y'reckon JoeySwill likes riding the Hershey Highway?
 

Have you already forgotten our time in Paris, KT?
   

hehehehehehehe...yeah - you got the whitest teeth I ever came
across...(hehahahehehahehehehehhaehehahehe)
Had to let that one slip mate - but great come back (no pun
intended)...you're a great sport, hometeam...truly...
 

My turn to be list Nazi ...
It's time to take this thread to the OT list or give it a merciful death.
Sir Robin

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Re: [newbie] beginners guide to users?

2003-09-11 Thread robin

Merlin Zener wrote:

Hi,

I just logged out and back in again after creating a new user, but it
just puts me back in as myself. Can anyone tell me where to find the
instructions to make it ask which user to log on as? I thought it was
only logging on as me just because I was the only username on it, but
now even though there's two users it still just starts up as if it's
only me. [did any of that make sense?] :)
[oh yeh - Mandrake 9.0, just using whatever defaults it suggested when
installing...]
 

You probably have autologin selected.  It may have been organised 
differently in 9.0, but in 9.1 the setting is in the Mandrake Control 
Center under Boot - go to DrakBoot and make sure that you have selected 
No, I don't want to autologin.  The other possibility is that you have 
autologin selected in the KDE Control Center (which if you use KDE is 
actually the better way to do it).  In that case, go to System-Login 
Manager.  Click Administrator Mode, then select Convenience, and None 
under Preselect User.

Sir Robin

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[newbie] picture download tool

2003-09-11 Thread Liechti

hi 
i need to download bout hunderts of pictures from a homepage. but it takes a 
long time to save them all manually... is there any tool which do this for me? 
 
remo 

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Re: [newbie] OT Somewhat (sorry!): How to change to top posting in Sylpheed,: Tangled threads Message-Id: 20030910164821.5cc9701c.heatheri@telusplanet.net

2003-09-11 Thread Heather/Femme

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:00:41 -0700
Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mine does top post by default (i am this time leaving it as is for
 Femme's sake... :)
 
 Maybe the text in configuration -- common prefs -- quote -- reply
 format causes it:
 
 On %d
 %f wrote:
 
 %Q
 
 
 eric
 
I have exactly the same thing.  so... hm... what gives?

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Re: [newbie] Intel |Unveils

2003-09-11 Thread Guy Rouillier

I might take a bit of this last one up with you Tom, that be
there Winblows thinking... about SMP anyway.
I promise there is a marked difference between an SMP machine
doing anything in MDK-Linux, and the same machine with out 2
cpus. in Winblows, including W2kp, and XP, if they ain't special
SMP aware apps, there ain't no value, but in MDK, everything
(when really loading up the box) is faster SMP. the visual
difference is roughly the same as going from 128 meg ram to 256
meg ram, as UP vs SMP
Sorry, jumping in on this thread late.  The above is just routine 
anti-Microsoft chestbeating.  I use both Win2k/XP and Linux, like to 
think of myself as platform-neutral.  Both have strengths and 
weaknesses.  The assertion that Win2k/XP do not take advantage of a 
second CPU except for rare SMP-specific applications is just plain 
false.  The scheduler in 2k/XP is actually pretty good about exploiting 
the 2nd CPU even for things as simple as the console.  I got my first 
dual CPU board on a whim when I fried my motherboard, and I'll never go 
back to a single CPU system - and I run no apps that were specifically 
written for SMP.  Even on my lowly dual 233MMX (waiting for the 
workstation Opteron boards), Win2k is very responsive about bringing new 
apps to the foreground.  That's what SMP brings to a general desktop - 
responsiveness.  Even if you have some long running process you just 
started, clicking on some other window will produce immediate action. 
On a single CPU, such a context switch might take a second or two.

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Re: [newbie] Virus

2003-09-11 Thread Heather/Femme

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:14:27 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 The only problem with that is that the idea of installing their own os
 
 would terrify the majority, and they would not even have the comfort 
 of family that already use it.  It is certainly the way to go, but 
 unless someone has huge amounts of time to offer at low rates I'm not 
 sure that it is feasible.  I'm not suggesting that no seniors could 
 cope with this, just that for many it is a leap into the unknown.  
 With a little handholding I don't think it would be any harder than 
 windows for them, but who will provide the handholding?
 
 Anne
 -- 
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 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet?
 
 
 
Have to agree with Anne.  Till linux becomes more pervasive, ppl who
can only turn the comp on  nothing else (and most don't want to know
more) won't use linux nor is it feasible for them to be using it.  They
have (often) no one to call if something goes wrong.  INcluding tech
support @ a local Future shop who won't toucha comp if it doesn't run
windows.  Ditto ISPs  other vendors.

For now, seeing seniors use linux or any segment of the population that
is of the mindset a comp shold be like a toaster (it just works), is a
pipe dream.

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Re: [newbie] Netscape / Mozilla - spell checker

2003-09-11 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons

Anne Wilson wrote:

On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 10:00 am, Margot wrote:
 

Russ wrote:
   

Hi Margot,

You hit the nail on the head here.

I am running 1.4 on 9.1 and I installed the spell checker too.
However, it didn't show up in 1.4.  On a hunch (due to what you
wrote here) I decided to check the older version of Mozilla (1.1)
that came with MD 9.1 (I installed 1.4 in a different directory).
Anyway, I ran M1.1 and there it was. I either need to figure out
how to point the spell checker to the 1.4 directory or remove
1.1.
I opted to install 1.4 in a separate directory for two reasons:

1. I heard that some programs use some of Mozillas files and some
do not like it when they ar updated. I elected to leave 1.1
intact.
2. I didn't know where it was anyway.

Thanks
Russ
 

My Mozilla 1.1 is in /usr/bin - just checked it and, yes, the
spellchecker is there!
My Mozilla 1.4 is in /usr/local/mozilla, which is where the
instructions told me to put it, but has no spellchecker.
Urpmi has added the spellchecker to the wrong mozilla. How do we
unravel this?
Is it safe to remove all the mozilla files from /usr/bin? If I do
that, and then redo urpmi mozilla-spellchecker, will urpmi be able
to find the new mozilla in /usr/local/mozilla? Or do I have to then
relocate the new mozilla to /usr/bin?
I don't know enough about this!

Margot
   

If you can identify the spellchecker under the /usr/bin tree, try 
copying it to the same place on the /usr/local tree.

Anne

Maybe you couledrun urpmf mozilla-spellchecker to see the files that 
are in the package and copy them to the new directory.

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Re: [newbie] picture download tool

2003-09-11 Thread Stormjumper

the short answer is wget.
use
man wget
or
wget --help
- Original Message - 
From: Liechti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 01:32
Subject: [newbie] picture download tool

 hi
 i need to download bout hunderts of pictures from a homepage. but it
takes a
 long time to save them all manually... is there any tool which do
this for me?

 remo

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Re: [newbie] Bug/Feature

On Thursday 11 September 2003 18:09, Anne Wilson wrote:
 I think it is not possible to change ownership or permissions on a
 fat32 drive.  It's still possible to use the 'user' flag and rw in
 the fstab line, though.

 Anne

You are very right Anne .
Windows has to be unmounted and then remounted rw.
To keep at that way at next reboot /etc/fstab indeed has to be edited.

My mistake, I was too quick on that one.

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Re: [newbie] Virus

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:44:15 -0600
Heather/Femme [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

Have to agree with Anne. Till linux becomes more pervasive, ppl who
can only turn the comp on nothing else (and most don't want to know
more) won't use linux nor is it feasible for them to be using it.
They have (often) no one to call if something goes wrong. INcluding
tech support @ a local Future shop who won't toucha comp if it doesn't
run windows. Ditto ISPs other vendors.

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030731.gttwtico31/BNStory/einsider/?query=Linux

Quote:

Myth: Linux is painful to support.

Reality: Ordinary humans -- as opposed to nerds -- don't want to mess
with it. Even for nerds it requires special savvy. Not to worry. Today's
computer science faculties spit out Linux mavens by the bushel. And
tech-services firms are now ready and able to take such problems off
your hands.

Also, keep in mind that for the average user who just wants to read
e-mail and surf the web, they will very likely *never need support*. All
the applications, stability, and security are already there.

By 2008, it is expected that Linux will occupy 20% of the desktop
market, not Mandrake mind you, but others who are really pushing it like
Xandros and Lindows.

With Linux, all you need to know is how to turn the comp on.

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Re: [newbie] HTML Validation

2003-09-11 Thread Ralph Slooten

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:31:09 -0400
HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Below is the source input I used for this validation:
 
1: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.0S//EN
2: HTML
3:  HEAD
4:   TITLEOrderInChaos/TITLE

!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN
html
head
titleOrderInChaos/title


;-) .. my pleasure ... PS: v3 is very old.. use at least 4.0
 
 Thanks guys!


 
 One thing, the web pages do not actually have the .htm or .html
 extension, they are .php, as I use one little bit of .php to display my
 uptime. Could that be the prob?

PHP == HTML in terms of output, the only difference being that PHP is a
scripting language too, so you can include many functions in it. However if you
have pure html in a PHP file, it works just the same ;-)

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Re: [newbie] picture download tool

On Thursday 11 September 2003 19:32, Liechti wrote:
 hi
 i need to download bout hunderts of pictures from a homepage. but it takes
 a long time to save them all manually... is there any tool which do this
 for me?

 remo

wget -r -l1 --no-parent -A.jpg http://SiteWanted'sAdress without the quotes.
for gif's or png's change appropiately.
It'll create it's own directory structure.

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Re: [newbie] Virus

On Thursday 11 Sep 2003 6:56 pm, HaywireMac wrote:
 On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:44:15 -0600

 Heather/Femme [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
  Have to agree with Anne.  Till linux becomes more pervasive, ppl
  who can only turn the comp on  nothing else (and most don't want
  to know more) won't use linux nor is it feasible for them to be
  using it. They have (often) no one to call if something goes
  wrong.  INcluding tech support @ a local Future shop who won't
  toucha comp if it doesn't run windows.  Ditto ISPs  other
  vendors.

 http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030731.gttwtico31
/BNStory/einsider/?query=Linux

 Quote:

 Myth: Linux is painful to support.

 Reality: Ordinary humans -- as opposed to nerds -- don't want to
 mess with it. Even for nerds it requires special savvy. Not to
 worry. Today's computer science faculties spit out Linux mavens by
 the bushel. And tech-services firms are now ready and able to take
 such problems off your hands.

Wish I could agree.  I did an MSc in Information Systems, ending just 
3 years ago.  For one module we used the Sun lab.  They put us in 
front of those unix machines without a word of support/training, and 
told us that we would need emacs.  I quickly learned a few very basic 
commands, but I never got the hang of emacs.  I used to struggle, 
frustrated for the whole session and was lucky if I managed more than 
2 lines of code.  I would then come home and write the rest on 
TextPad under windows, an editor that could line number, write 
windows or unix line feeds and even compile/run the code.  I got good 
grades for the module, based on the work I turned out, but they never 
figured that I had no confidence at all in my ability to use the unix 
machines.

 Also, keep in mind that for the average user who just wants to read
 e-mail and surf the web, they will very likely *never need
 support*. All the applications, stability, and security are already
 there.

Remember I stressed hand-holding more than support.  The most basic 
tasks are hard to remember when you start.  If there's anyone here of 
a literary bent, a get started book that looks attractive and has 
lots of screenshots (probably in kde, since that is where most will 
start) would be a great help.

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Re: [newbie] HTML Validation

2003-09-11 Thread Ralph Slooten

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:02:28 -0400
HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:45:05 -0400
 HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
 
   now I've only got 149 more to fix,
 
 down to only 44, thanks to html-tidy, rpm's avail thru urpmi tidy.

Hehe, then you are doing much better than slashdot.org ;-)  Want a challenge,
correct their site, hehehe.

Damn, what did you use to make your webpage, xmms? LOL ... 


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Re: [newbie] Virus

2003-09-11 Thread Bryan Phinney

On Thursday 11 September 2003 01:44 pm, Heather/Femme wrote:

 Have to agree with Anne.  Till linux becomes more pervasive, ppl who
 can only turn the comp on  nothing else (and most don't want to know
 more) won't use linux nor is it feasible for them to be using it.  They
 have (often) no one to call if something goes wrong.  INcluding tech
 support @ a local Future shop who won't toucha comp if it doesn't run
 windows.  Ditto ISPs  other vendors.

Well, Lindows is now offering 24 hour tech support by phone for $80 per year, 
unlimited incidents.  Again, I am not suggesting that we try to replace the 
concept of windows with Linux by any means, I am suggesting that we position 
this as, you are not buying the software, you are buying the labor/knowledge 
that it takes to get the software installed and working correctly for what 
you want to do with it.  Much like you would pay someone to cut down and 
remove trees from a yard that needs to be cleared.

Once a competent person sets up a Linux system, it should, for practical 
purposes, be pretty much maintenance free as long as the tasks that they 
needed to do were identified from the beginning and they resist the urge to 
muck about with it.

Computers are not easy to setup and work on, certainly not any easier than an 
automobile and most people would not expect to be able to build and repair a 
car themselves, why should they expect to be able to do something similar 
with a computer?  Microsoft has oversold themselves, you can make a computer 
easy to install and maintain or you can make it secure and stable, you simply 
can not do both.  Once someone understands that, they should be ready for the 
plunge to Linux.  

Using publicity about worms, viruses, trojans, spyware, and the like, all 
associated with Windows, should be enough to convince them of the accuracy of 
that prospect.

 For now, seeing seniors use linux or any segment of the population that
 is of the mindset a comp shold be like a toaster (it just works), is a
 pipe dream.

I agree that it is a pipe dream and we should start with fully communicating 
that it is a pipe dream with Windows just as it is a pipe dream with Linux.  
Trying to teach someone to secure windows, or even to operate it without 
major problems is no more difficult than to teach someone to operate with 
Linux.  There are some things that are too complex, others that can be done.  
Once we identify which of those things they are capable of, they can pay 
professionals to do the other.  

I can either stick with the status quo or I can agitate at every possible step 
for a better way.  I choose to not let a single chance go by where I can 
suggest to everyone and anyone that Linux is a better way.  If they choose to 
go the windows route, at least they do so with the knowledge that there was 
an alternative.

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Re: [newbie] HTML Validation

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:10:08 +0200
Ralph Slooten [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 Damn, what did you use to make your webpage, xmms? LOL ... 

Just a text editor and copying and pasting from tutorials!

No WYSIWYG for moi!

Now to just find the balance between compliance and looking like
shite...

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Re: [newbie] picture download tool

2003-09-11 Thread Liechti

 wget -r -l1 --no-parent -A.jpg http://SiteWanted'sAdress without the 
 
thx! :) 
 
remo 

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Re: [newbie] HTML Validation

2003-09-11 Thread Todd Slater

On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 01:04:06PM -0400, HaywireMac wrote:
 However, if anyone can see from my page why the text won't spread out
 across the page toward the table with the gifs/links, lemme know!

Arghh, tables! If I were you, I'd go for a table-less layout using css.
Google for tableless columns (you might throw in css and layout) and
you'll find plenty of examples to choose from. I copied one from Blue
Robot for my page (http://clevername.homeip.net). 

The advantages are cleaner code, easier to work with, better for
accessibility, faster rendering, and it's quickly becoming the new
standard. 

The disadvantages are for folks who use lame browsers like IE that have
poor support for css (or people who use cool browsers like Dillo and/or
text-based browsers like Lynx). It's not really a disadvantage, though,
as the css degrades nicely and the people using these browsers can still
access your content.

HTH,
Todd

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Re: [newbie] HTML Validation

2003-09-11 Thread Margot

HaywireMac wrote:
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:02:28 -0400
HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

down to only 44, thanks to html-tidy, rpm's avail thru urpmi tidy.

Cool!


13 now, just some alt tags...but it looks like shite and I can't figger
out why.
Anyhow, I highly recomment the tidy package for beginners, and I've
joined the HTML writers guild beginners list.
I'm a beginner too - where do I find this list?

However, if anyone can see from my page why the text won't spread out
across the page toward the table with the gifs/links, lemme know!
Cheers and thanks!

Table widths need adjusting? If the one on the left is too big, it 
squeezes up the others to fill remaining space.

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Re: [newbie] Virus

On Thursday 11 Sep 2003 7:12 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote:

 Well, Lindows is now offering 24 hour tech support by phone for $80
 per year, unlimited incidents.  Again, I am not suggesting that we
 try to replace the concept of windows with Linux by any means, I am
 suggesting that we position this as, you are not buying the
 software, you are buying the labor/knowledge that it takes to get
 the software installed and working correctly for what you want to
 do with it.  Much like you would pay someone to cut down and remove
 trees from a yard that needs to be cleared.

Sounds reasonable to me - the cost of windows and it's up to you to 
see if Joe next door can help you, or $60 and some genuine help 
(assuming that the quality is a reality).  Not just USA, I hope?

 Once a competent person sets up a Linux system, it should, for
 practical purposes, be pretty much maintenance free as long as the
 tasks that they needed to do were identified from the beginning and
 they resist the urge to muck about with it.

Sooner or later they will want to install something, but that, and the 
knowledge of how to safely get rid of it later, should be about it.  
(Course, I've seen an awful lot of people just delete directories in 
windows, too)

 Computers are not easy to setup and work on, certainly not any
 easier than an automobile and most people would not expect to be
 able to build and repair a car themselves, why should they expect
 to be able to do something similar with a computer?  Microsoft has
 oversold themselves, you can make a computer easy to install and
 maintain or you can make it secure and stable, you simply can not
 do both.  Once someone understands that, they should be ready for
 the plunge to Linux.

I have long held that for a first time user the 'plunge' is much less 
than for a long-time windows user.

 Using publicity about worms, viruses, trojans, spyware, and the
 like, all associated with Windows, should be enough to convince
 them of the accuracy of that prospect.

It's one thing for the already computer-literate, but how do you do 
that for the real newcomer, without it just sounding like M$-bashing 
to sell your product?

  For now, seeing seniors use linux or any segment of the
  population that is of the mindset a comp shold be like a toaster
  (it just works), is a pipe dream.

 I agree that it is a pipe dream and we should start with fully
 communicating that it is a pipe dream with Windows just as it is a
 pipe dream with Linux. Trying to teach someone to secure windows,
 or even to operate it without major problems is no more difficult
 than to teach someone to operate with Linux.  There are some things
 that are too complex, others that can be done. Once we identify
 which of those things they are capable of, they can pay
 professionals to do the other.

If you can get a group sufficiently comfortable together to talk over 
coffee you can get across these ideas.

 I can either stick with the status quo or I can agitate at every
 possible step for a better way.  I choose to not let a single
 chance go by where I can suggest to everyone and anyone that Linux
 is a better way.  If they choose to go the windows route, at least
 they do so with the knowledge that there was an alternative.

There's the rub - so many go along to PCWorld (or whatever the 
equivalent is in other countries) and buy what they are given by 
salesmen who may, just, have heard of macs, but nothing else.

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Re: [newbie] HTML Validation

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:25:08 +0100
Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 I'm a beginner too - where do I find this list?

http://www.hwg.org/
 
  However, if anyone can see from my page why the text won't spread
  out across the page toward the table with the gifs/links, lemme
  know!
  
  Cheers and thanks!
  
 
 Table widths need adjusting? If the one on the left is too big, it 
 squeezes up the others to fill remaining space.

I'll check that, thanks!

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Re: [newbie] Virus

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:08:10 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 3 years ago.

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Re: [newbie] HTML Validation

2003-09-11 Thread Charlie M.

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September 9, 2003 12:38 pm, HaywireMac wrote:
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 I'll check that, thanks!

While you're at it can you tell me if you're trapped inside the even 
horizon of a singularity, or am I? ;-)

One of us is because your posts are showing Tuesday instead of today.

Peace;
Charlie
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Re: [newbie] Virus

2003-09-11 Thread Michael Scottaline

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:44:15 -0600
Heather/Femme [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled furiously:

snippage
 Have to agree with Anne.  Till linux becomes more pervasive, ppl who
 can only turn the comp on  nothing else (and most don't want to know
 more) won't use linux nor is it feasible for them to be using it.  They
 have (often) no one to call if something goes wrong.  INcluding tech
 support @ a local Future shop who won't toucha comp if it doesn't run
 windows.  Ditto ISPs  other vendors.
 
 For now, seeing seniors use linux or any segment of the population that
 is of the mindset a comp shold be like a toaster (it just works), is a
 pipe dream.
===
My one experience in this areas has been quite different though.  About
two years ago, my Father-in-law (now 78) got his first computer ever.  He,
and his daughter (my bride's sister) got Dell's, but ignored most of my
advice:  they let them install ME; winmodem, etc.  Well my sister-in law
lives four hours away, so it was up to be to provide technical assistance
for Dad (I'm only about 20 minutes away...)
After about 8 months of virii, user error catastrophies and other
predicatable problems, I wiped his hard drive clean and installed RH 8.0. 
It's been OVER a year now and he hasn't had a problem since.  He really
just wants to e-mail friends (and my son in college), browse the web, play
a few simple games, keep his check book, relatively simple tasks.  I never
gave hime the root pass word so he can't screw it up too badly.  Whenever
I visit I do any necessary upgrades, but nothing significant.  It all
just works for him and meets HIS needs for a computer.
Mike


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Re: [newbie] Virus

On Tuesday 09 Sep 2003 7:40 pm, HaywireMac wrote:
 On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:08:10 +0100

 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
  3 years ago.

Maybe - but I saw no sign that my university had any foresight, and it 
takes time to change.

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Re: [newbie] HTML Validation

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:49:53 -0600
Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 
 One of us is because your posts are showing Tuesday instead of today.

ah, yes, the beta of the Linux MOHAA client expired (I own the
freakin' game, how could it expire? it's just the executable...WTF?!)

so, well, I just changed the clock... ;-)

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Re: [newbie] Virus

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:01:30 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 
 Maybe - but I saw no sign that my university had any foresight, and it
 takes time to change.

apparently not 3 years.

http://www.google.ca/linux?hl=enie=ISO-8859-1q=linux+certificationbtnG=Google+Searchmeta=

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Re: [newbie] Virus

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:23:50 +0100, Anne Wilson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 There's the rub - so many go along to PCWorld (or whatever the 
 equivalent is in other countries) and buy what they are given by 
 salesmen who may, just, have heard of macs, but nothing else.

A friend of mine demo'd Macs in PC World for Apple. No matter how bad
you think the PC World employees are, the reality is worse.

About Linux for real beginners, I think they need Lindows done right:

Sell the hardware with Linux pre-installed, partly because this stops
installs you don't control, and partly because you can limit the
hardware options to a very few.

Do support remotely. Supply a rescue CD so even a broken
system can get online for support
Control installs -- if the user does anything independantly, they lose
cover.
Have a script ask the user for a CD now and then for user data backup.
Have the PC message back to base that it backed up (do this
transparently, via email, and let the user know what's happening).

Basically, you control the system closely, to get economies of scale,
but don't be evil, as Google says. Have thousands of oldsters/newbies
paying every month for handholding on systems which pretty much run
themselves. For their money, they get reliability, and a guarantee that
someone will fix it if it goes wrong. There are many Windows PCs out
there not being used because there is something trivial wrong with them,
but the user doesn't know anyone who can help (and PC World will try to
sell them £1500 of new PC).

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[newbie] linux world magazine resource DVD with mandrake 9.1 on it

2003-09-11 Thread TAKane2

Does anyone have this? i do and i it won't boot from the dvd drive and when i make a boot disk it dosn't regognize the DVD as the install CD and tells me to insert the install CD. Any solutions?

Re: [newbie] picture download tool