Re: [newbie] no sound in 9.1

2003-12-24 Thread Aaron
I would search the alsa users mail list archives for your sound card and 
or your problem and see if someone else had the same trouble.

I find the alsa group to be most helpful
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Re: [newbie] probing hdc, hdd, hde failed

2003-12-24 Thread moey tony
Rob,
i shut down either from KDE or using the halt command
and it seems ok, everything is unmounted properly before i get
the power down message.
but i do have multiple boots on both c:(Win2k Server) and d:(WinXP Pro).Both are NTFS.
LILO is residing in hda(C:).
Any ideas?

Thx and Rgds


- Original Message -
From: Rob Blomquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:59:22 -0800
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] probing hdc, hdd, hde failed

 On Tuesday 23 December 2003 6:55 pm, moey tony droned on:
  Hi guys,
  i am a new on the list.
  Need some help...
  i have noticed that every time my linux box boots, it starts probing all
  the partitions on my single hard disk and gives me error messages such as
  probing hdc, probing hdd then it tells me IRQ error- failed to probe hdd,
  etc. This happened with 2 distros i use(Mandrake  RedHat).
 
 sounds like you are not shutting it down properly. How do you shut down?
 
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Re: [newbie]

2003-12-24 Thread moey tony
Installation should be a breeze !
You can always post your questions here, just like any other Linux mailing list. So 
far, i have learnt everything from such lists, the ppl involved in Linux really stick 
to the open-source principles and they have been wonderful help, always.

Rgds,
Tony



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Subject: [newbie] 

 Am new to Linux. Worked with Linux for about 5 months. I've studied 
 computers for a while. Can understand computers pretty good. Need help 
 configuring Linux though. Will somebody assist me with installing and 
 configuring Linux? Installing and configuring will probably get very 
 technical.
  
   From,
  
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Re: [newbie] Desktop Icons

2003-12-24 Thread moey tony
have u tried configuring from the Control Center in KDE?



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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 19:20:20 +1300
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] Desktop Icons

 Hi all, i'm new to the list so if this has been addressed before please 
 so so. I've looked in the archives but could not find anything there on 
 the subject. That does not mean its not there if it is its just I didn't 
 find it.
 
 My problem is a minor but annoying one and is that on startup the 
 desktop icons all gather on the left of the screen in any old order they 
 feel like.I have to snap them to grid each time to see to use them. This 
 happened under 9.1 and now 9.2, in 9.0, my first experience with Linux 
 they sat where they were told to.
 
 Any info on how to get them to appear on desktop as I want on startup 
 appreciated. Both myself and my Guru are stumped on how to fix this problem.
 
 TIA
 
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Re: [newbie] XF86Config-4 question

2003-12-24 Thread Richard Urwin
On Tuesday 23 Dec 2003 6:30 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
 BTW Richard, do you use an Nvidia card?

Yes, but I haven't installed the drivers yet since upgrading to 9.2. The 
Nvidia--nv change was the only one I made when restoring the file.

 I'm wondering since the virtual use is with the file included from my
 download edition install, and the generic nv Nvidia drivers, and I'm now
 using the nvidia proprietary drivers, should I be using the mode file
 instead?

I have no idea, but I suspect it wouldn't be a problem.

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Re: [newbie] Desktop Icons

2003-12-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 24 December 2003 06:20, David wrote:
 Hi all, i'm new to the list so if this has been addressed before
 please so so. I've looked in the archives but could not find
 anything there on the subject. That does not mean its not there if
 it is its just I didn't find it.

 My problem is a minor but annoying one and is that on startup the
 desktop icons all gather on the left of the screen in any old order
 they feel like.I have to snap them to grid each time to see to use
 them. This happened under 9.1 and now 9.2, in 9.0, my first
 experience with Linux they sat where they were told to.

 Any info on how to get them to appear on desktop as I want on
 startup appreciated. Both myself and my Guru are stumped on how to
 fix this problem.

Assuming you are using kde, open up the Control Center  Components  
Session Manager.  I think that if you set that up to restore session, 
then arrange your icons where you want them and log out, it should do 
what you want.

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Re: [newbie]

2003-12-24 Thread et
On Wednesday 24 December 2003 06:22 am, Steven Nelson wrote:
 Am new to Linux. Worked with Linux for about 5 months. I've studied
 computers for a while. Can understand computers pretty good. Need help
 configuring Linux though. Will somebody assist me with installing and
 configuring Linux? Installing and configuring will probably get very
 technical.

   From,

   Steven

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Re: [newbie]

2003-12-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 24 December 2003 06:22, Steven Nelson wrote:
 Am new to Linux. Worked with Linux for about 5 months. I've studied
 computers for a while. Can understand computers pretty good. Need
 help configuring Linux though. Will somebody assist me with
 installing and configuring Linux? Installing and configuring will
 probably get very technical.

Steven, installing Mandrake is easier than installing windows.  How 
old is your hardware?  What model is your video card?  Do you have 
anything unusual in your setup?

You may be as well checking out the capability of your video card and 
monitor, just in case you have to choose from an option list.

Assuming that all your equipment is fairly standard stuff, just boot 
from the cd and you're ready to go.  One thing I would advise, 
though, is when you get to the partitioning screen, create a separate 
partition for /home - and make it a reasonably big one.  If you feel 
the need to reinstall at any time you will be able to keep all the 
data and config files that are in /home, whereas if you don't do this 
you will lose everything, just like in a windows re-install.

Over the holiday there may not be too many of us around, but ask any 
questions you like.  Someone will always try to answer.

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Re: [newbie] probing hdc, hdd, hde failed

2003-12-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 24 December 2003 08:36, moey tony wrote:
 Rob,
 i shut down either from KDE or using the halt command
 and it seems ok, everything is unmounted properly before i get
 the power down message.
 but i do have multiple boots on both c:(Win2k Server) and d:(WinXP
 Pro).Both are NTFS. LILO is residing in hda(C:).
 Any ideas?

The error message mentioned irq, which makes me ask if you have turned 
off plug-n-play in bios?  Let the distro deal with irqs.

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[newbie] CD-ROM with scsi emulation

2003-12-24 Thread Sergey Berezka



 I want copy from cd-rom to 
cdwriter in K3B. I append to lilo.conf line like this
hdd=ide-scsi.
 Now I may copy from cd on the 
fly, or create image, but I can't read any cd disk on the cdrom.

Sergey Berezka

Sorry for my English.


[newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread John
I need help getting use of my cdrom. I asked last week and didn't have
time to make changes to the fstab file that I received from Anne and
another before installing the xfree security update. Xfree was removed
and now I can't use the cdrom either. I have md 9.2 coming any day now
and this seemed to be a good time to switch. System would not boot to
9.1 cd when restarting and I don't know if the 9.2 cd will work. Any
help would be appreciated. 
Best wishes for the holidays
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[newbie] A seasonal blast from the past

2003-12-24 Thread Richard Urwin
From the SunOS4.1 cookie file:

better !pout !cry
better watchout
lpr why
santa claus north pole town

cat /etc/passwd list
ncheck list
ncheck list
cat list | grep naughty nogiftlist
cat list | grep nice giftlist
santa claus north pole  town

who | grep sleeping
who | grep awake
who | egrep 'bad|good'
for (goodness sake) {
be good
}


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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 24 December 2003 14:28, John wrote:
 I need help getting use of my cdrom. I asked last week and didn't
 have time to make changes to the fstab file that I received from
 Anne and another before installing the xfree security update. Xfree
 was removed and now I can't use the cdrom either. I have md 9.2
 coming any day now and this seemed to be a good time to switch.
 System would not boot to 9.1 cd when restarting and I don't know if
 the 9.2 cd will work. Any help would be appreciated.
 Best wishes for the holidays
 John

John, have you tried HardDrake (Mandrake Control Centre)?  It should 
scan and pick up the hardware again.  It's important to back out 
using the buttons, not the X.

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RE: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread John


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anne Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 9:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] cd-rom

On Wednesday 24 December 2003 14:28, John wrote:
 I need help getting use of my cdrom. I asked last week and didn't
 have time to make changes to the fstab file that I received from
 Anne and another before installing the xfree security update. Xfree
 was removed and now I can't use the cdrom either. I have md 9.2
 coming any day now and this seemed to be a good time to switch.
 System would not boot to 9.1 cd when restarting and I don't know if
 the 9.2 cd will work. Any help would be appreciated.
 Best wishes for the holidays
 John

John, have you tried HardDrake (Mandrake Control Centre)?  It should 
scan and pick up the hardware again.  It's important to back out 
using the buttons, not the X.

Anne
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Anne
I don't have the gui,only command line. I had tried hardrake as you
suggested last week. It recognized the cdrom but the files had
changed. Harddrake listed: new devfs device:
/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd; old device file: /dev/scd0. The
old device file was the default setup when I installed md9.1. I don't
what caused the change. When trying to access I get the error message
could not enter /mnt/cdrom. There were some changes to the fstab file.
I was going to change the file where you suggested but didn't have
time and now I don't know how to proceed from the command line. I am
using a laptop xp system now to correspond(definitely not preferred)
Thanks for the response.
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Re: [newbie] CD-ROM with scsi emulation

2003-12-24 Thread Derek Jennings
On Wednesday 24 Dec 2003 2:03 pm, Sergey Berezka wrote:
 I want copy from cd-rom to cdwriter in K3B. I append to lilo.conf line
 like this hdd=ide-scsi.
 Now I may copy from cd on the fly, or create image, but I can't read
 any cd disk on the cdrom.

 Sergey Berezka

 Sorry for my English.
You must also edit the entry for your cdrom in the /etc/fstab  file.

Change it from /dev/hdd  to /dev/scd1   (or whatever it is)

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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 24 December 2003 15:14, John wrote:
quote
Anne
I don't have the gui,only command line. I had tried hardrake as you
suggested last week. It recognized the cdrom but the files had
changed. Harddrake listed: new devfs device:
/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd; old device file: /dev/scd0. The
old device file was the default setup when I installed md9.1. I don't
what caused the change. When trying to access I get the error message
could not enter /mnt/cdrom. There were some changes to the fstab file.
I was going to change the file where you suggested but didn't have
time and now I don't know how to proceed from the command line. I am
using a laptop xp system now to correspond(definitely not preferred)
Thanks for the response.
unquote

John, when you reply to an email with a sig, remove it.  The two -- 
are treated as separators and everything below gets removed when you 
try to reply, in kmail and a number of other mail clients.

It should be possible to change the fstab with vi.  I'm no expert, but 
you can get by in emergencies with only a very few commands.

Launch it with
vi fstab
(you'll need to be root, of course)

To go to edit mode you can choose
a - for append
i - for insert

To for insert here.

Navigate with arrows

When you've done you go back to command mode with Esc

Save your work with 
:w

and quit

:q

HTH

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Re: [newbie] Gnome 2.2 Documentation System broken

2003-12-24 Thread The Other
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:28:30 -0200, Josenildo Marques [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

When I switched to Opera 7.23 as my web browser, I removed the other 
HTML
reading programs such as Mozilla, Netscape, Evolution, and
Galeon(spelling?).

Now when I use the Gnome 2.2 menus and try to open the HowTo's in HTML
format (under the Documentation menu), nothing happens.
What did program should I have *not* removed?   :)  What did I break?

I think that if you go to Config-Gnome-Advanced-Prefered Aplications
and set Opera as your favourite browser you'll solve this.
JM
Hello JM,

Thanks for the tip.  I went there and saw that Links is the default 
browser.  Links is installed on my system.  I selected Custom Browser and 
typed in Opera with all possible combinations I could think of, no go.

At this point, I'm ready to go to the file location of the html 
documentation files and hand load them.  Any idea where they are stored?  
From my Windows background, I'll still learning the file system layout for 
Mandrake.

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Re: [newbie] CD-ROM with scsi emulation

2003-12-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 24 December 2003 15:19, Derek Jennings wrote:
 On Wednesday 24 Dec 2003 2:03 pm, Sergey Berezka wrote:
  I want copy from cd-rom to cdwriter in K3B. I append to
  lilo.conf line like this hdd=ide-scsi.
  Now I may copy from cd on the fly, or create image, but I
  can't read any cd disk on the cdrom.
 
  Sergey Berezka
 
  Sorry for my English.

 You must also edit the entry for your cdrom in the /etc/fstab 
 file.

 Change it from /dev/hdd  to /dev/scd1   (or whatever it is)

 derek

When you've done that, from a root console type 'mount -a' to make it 
read fstab again.

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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 24 December 2003 14:28, John wrote:
 I need help getting use of my cdrom. I asked last week and didn't
 have time to make changes to the fstab file that I received from
 Anne and another before installing the xfree security update. Xfree
 was removed and now I can't use the cdrom either. I have md 9.2
 coming any day now and this seemed to be a good time to switch.
 System would not boot to 9.1 cd when restarting and I don't know if
 the 9.2 cd will work. Any help would be appreciated.
 Best wishes for the holidays
 John

For XFree86, the links have been mended now, so it should be possible 
to urpmi XFree86 from the command line.  If it returns a whole list 
of packages and drops back to the command line, try to identify which 
ones will be the most important.  Install them by urpmi, and with any 
luck they will pick up the other essential ones as dependencies and 
install them for you.

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Re: [newbie] CD-ROM with scsi emulation

2003-12-24 Thread Sergey Berezka
- Original Message - 
From: Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] CD-ROM with scsi emulation


 On Wednesday 24 December 2003 15:19, Derek Jennings wrote:
  On Wednesday 24 Dec 2003 2:03 pm, Sergey Berezka wrote:
   I want copy from cd-rom to cdwriter in K3B. I append to
   lilo.conf line like this hdd=ide-scsi.
   Now I may copy from cd on the fly, or create image, but I
   can't read any cd disk on the cdrom.
  
   Sergey Berezka
  
   Sorry for my English.
 
  You must also edit the entry for your cdrom in the /etc/fstab
  file.
 
  Change it from /dev/hdd  to /dev/scd1   (or whatever it is)
 
  derek

 When you've done that, from a root console type 'mount -a' to make it
 read fstab again.

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RE: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread John



On Wednesday 24 December 2003 14:28, John wrote:
 I need help getting use of my cdrom. I asked last week and didn't
 have time to make changes to the fstab file that I received from
 Anne and another before installing the xfree security update. Xfree
 was removed and now I can't use the cdrom either. I have md 9.2
 coming any day now and this seemed to be a good time to switch.
 System would not boot to 9.1 cd when restarting and I don't know if
 the 9.2 cd will work. Any help would be appreciated.
 Best wishes for the holidays
 John

For XFree86, the links have been mended now, so it should be possible 
to urpmi XFree86 from the command line.  If it returns a whole list 
of packages and drops back to the command line, try to identify which 
ones will be the most important.  Install them by urpmi, and with any 
luck they will pick up the other essential ones as dependencies and 
install them for you.

Anne

I tried the vi fstab. It came up as a new file. I must have done
something wrong. I also tried urpmi xfree86 incorrectly. I am lost
when it comes to the command line. Will keep trying anything
suggested. Sorry for the confusion on the email reply. Hope this works
better.
Thanks
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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread ronald
Op woensdag 24 december 2003 17:28, schreef John:

 I tried the vi fstab. It came up as a new file. I must have done
 something wrong. I also tried urpmi xfree86 incorrectly. I am lost
 when it comes to the command line. Will keep trying anything
 suggested. Sorry for the confusion on the email reply. Hope this works
 better.
 Thanks
 John

did you become root john? and did you cd to /etc before vi fstab?

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Re: [newbie] Merry Christmas!

2003-12-24 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 14:55, Lanman wrote:
 The subject says it all Folks! Have a great one! Don't
 Drink and Drive! You might hit a bump and spill your drink!
 Grin!
 
 Best Wishes Gang!
 
 Lanman
 

Same to you my friend.  May your stockings be hung with care!  I'm off
to get the the Gold edition of Neverwinter Nights.  Don't tell anyone. 
hehehehe

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Re: [newbie] Merry Christmas!

2003-12-24 Thread Lanman
All the Best Lyvim! Don't eat too much. Don't forget that
you'll have be able to reach the keyboard afterwards!

Lanman

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On 12/24/2003 at 11:45 AM Lyvim Xaphir wrote:

On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 14:55, Lanman wrote:
 The subject says it all Folks! Have a great one! Don't
 Drink and Drive! You might hit a bump and spill your
drink!
 Grin!
 
 Best Wishes Gang!
 
 Lanman
 

Same to you my friend.  May your stockings be hung with
care!  I'm off
to get the the Gold edition of Neverwinter Nights.  Don't
tell anyone. 
hehehehe

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RE: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread John


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ronald
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 11:36 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] cd-rom

Op woensdag 24 december 2003 17:28, schreef John:

 I tried the vi fstab. It came up as a new file. I must have done
 something wrong. I also tried urpmi xfree86 incorrectly. I am lost
 when it comes to the command line. Will keep trying anything
 suggested. Sorry for the confusion on the email reply. Hope this
works
 better.
 Thanks
 John

did you become root john? and did you cd to /etc before vi fstab?

HTH and Merry Christmas!

ronald

ronald
thanks for response. I had changed to root but not to /etc. Did as you
suggested.Came up with the following:
/dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults 1 1
none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
/dev/hda6 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
none/mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,ro,--,
iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0
none /mnt/floppy supermount
dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,codepage=850.umask=0
0 0
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
/dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0
This file doesn't list the changed file shown by harddrake which was
/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd. Are there any changes to make
here?
Thanks for the help
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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 24 December 2003 16:28, John wrote:
 On Wednesday 24 December 2003 14:28, John wrote:
  I need help getting use of my cdrom. I asked last week and didn't
  have time to make changes to the fstab file that I received from
  Anne and another before installing the xfree security update.
  Xfree was removed and now I can't use the cdrom either. I have md
  9.2 coming any day now and this seemed to be a good time to
  switch. System would not boot to 9.1 cd when restarting and I
  don't know if the 9.2 cd will work. Any help would be
  appreciated.
  Best wishes for the holidays
  John

 For XFree86, the links have been mended now, so it should be
 possible to urpmi XFree86 from the command line.  If it returns a
 whole list of packages and drops back to the command line, try to
 identify which ones will be the most important.  Install them by
 urpmi, and with any luck they will pick up the other essential ones
 as dependencies and install them for you.

 Anne

 I tried the vi fstab. It came up as a new file. I must have done
 something wrong. I also tried urpmi xfree86 incorrectly. I am lost
 when it comes to the command line. Will keep trying anything
 suggested. Sorry for the confusion on the email reply. Hope this
 works better.
 Thanks
 John

I forgot to say, either cd to /etc, or vi /etc/fstab

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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 24 December 2003 17:04, John wrote:
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ronald
 Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 11:36 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] cd-rom

 Op woensdag 24 december 2003 17:28, schreef John:
  I tried the vi fstab. It came up as a new file. I must have done
  something wrong. I also tried urpmi xfree86 incorrectly. I am
  lost when it comes to the command line. Will keep trying anything
  suggested. Sorry for the confusion on the email reply. Hope this

 works

  better.
  Thanks
  John

 did you become root john? and did you cd to /etc before vi fstab?

 HTH and Merry Christmas!

 ronald

 ronald
 thanks for response. I had changed to root but not to /etc. Did as
 you suggested.Came up with the following:
 /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults 1 1
 none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
 /dev/hda6 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
 none/mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,ro,--,
 iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0
 none /mnt/floppy supermount
 dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,codepage=850.umask
=0 0 0
 none /proc proc defaults 0 0
 /dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0
 This file doesn't list the changed file shown by harddrake which
 was /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd. Are there any changes to
 make here?
 Thanks for the help
 John

Chage /dev/scd0 to /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd

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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread Derek Jennings
On Wednesday 24 Dec 2003 4:35 pm, ronald wrote:
 Op woensdag 24 december 2003 17:28, schreef John:
  I tried the vi fstab. It came up as a new file. I must have done
  something wrong. I also tried urpmi xfree86 incorrectly. I am lost
  when it comes to the command line. Will keep trying anything
  suggested. Sorry for the confusion on the email reply. Hope this works
  better.
  Thanks
  John

 did you become root john? and did you cd to /etc before vi fstab?

 HTH and Merry Christmas!

 ronald

If you do not like the command line and vi, then do not use it.

From your KDE desktop Alt+F2 will open a box to run a command.

In the box type
kdesu kedit /etc/fstab

After prompting you for root password a simple text editor will open in 
superuser mode.

Alternatively
kdesu konqueror
will open up a root copy of konqueror so you can browse for files and edit 
them with a right click

There used to be a menu item for this, but for some unexplained reason 
Mandrake took it out in 9.2

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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 24 December 2003 17:14, Derek Jennings wrote:
 On Wednesday 24 Dec 2003 4:35 pm, ronald wrote:
  Op woensdag 24 december 2003 17:28, schreef John:
   I tried the vi fstab. It came up as a new file. I must have
   done something wrong. I also tried urpmi xfree86 incorrectly. I
   am lost when it comes to the command line. Will keep trying
   anything suggested. Sorry for the confusion on the email reply.
   Hope this works better.
   Thanks
   John
 
  did you become root john? and did you cd to /etc before vi fstab?
 
  HTH and Merry Christmas!
 
  ronald

 If you do not like the command line and vi, then do not use it.

 From your KDE desktop Alt+F2 will open a box to run a command.

He's lost X, Derek, due to the upgrade.

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Re: [newbie] Merry Christmas!

2003-12-24 Thread robin
Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 14:55, Lanman wrote:

The subject says it all Folks! Have a great one! Don't
Drink and Drive! You might hit a bump and spill your drink!
Grin!
Best Wishes Gang!

Lanman



Same to you my friend.  May your stockings be hung with care!  I'm off
to get the the Gold edition of Neverwinter Nights.  Don't tell anyone. 
hehehehe
Enjoy!

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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread Richard Urwin
On Wednesday 24 Dec 2003 3:26 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
 It should be possible to change the fstab with vi.  I'm no expert, but
 you can get by in emergencies with only a very few commands.

 Launch it with
 vi fstab
 (you'll need to be root, of course)

 To go to edit mode you can choose
 a - for append
 i - for insert

Esc to leave append or insert mode.

 To for insert here.

 Navigate with arrows

 When you've done you go back to command mode with Esc

 Save your work with

 :w

 and quit

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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread Derek Jennings
On Wednesday 24 Dec 2003 5:19 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Wednesday 24 December 2003 17:14, Derek Jennings wrote:
  On Wednesday 24 Dec 2003 4:35 pm, ronald wrote:
   Op woensdag 24 december 2003 17:28, schreef John:
I tried the vi fstab. It came up as a new file. I must have
done something wrong. I also tried urpmi xfree86 incorrectly. I
am lost when it comes to the command line. Will keep trying
anything suggested. Sorry for the confusion on the email reply.
Hope this works better.
Thanks
John
  
   did you become root john? and did you cd to /etc before vi fstab?
  
   HTH and Merry Christmas!
  
   ronald
 
  If you do not like the command line and vi, then do not use it.
 
  From your KDE desktop Alt+F2 will open a box to run a command.

 He's lost X, Derek, due to the upgrade.

 Anne
Ah.. well in that case I would suggest :-

Log in as root and then type
urpmi mc
That will install midnight commander an easy to use text based file manager 
with an easy built in editor.

Launch it with 'mc'

IMO vi is totally newbie hostile. (After 3 years of using Linux I still only 
know 2 vi commands.)

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[newbie] Update question

2003-12-24 Thread Kaj Haulrich
For the last few days I've been fighting with GIMP. When trying to 
print, it spits out papers with only a few lines of gibberish on 
them. Well, I uninstalled the thing and reinstalled. Now funny 
things happened : My Control Center disappeared completely. Had to 
reinstall drakxtools, drakconf etc. to get it back. 

But :  Mandrake-update, Install Software and Remove Software 
are all gone. Mandrake Control Center does not have a software 
option any more.

Can anyone remember to which package those belong ?

Thanks in advance and

Merry Christmas to all of you !

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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 24 December 2003 17:35, Richard Urwin wrote:
 On Wednesday 24 Dec 2003 3:26 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
  It should be possible to change the fstab with vi.  I'm no
  expert, but you can get by in emergencies with only a very few
  commands.
 
  Launch it with
  vi fstab
  (you'll need to be root, of course)
 
  To go to edit mode you can choose
  a - for append
  i - for insert

 Esc to leave append or insert mode.

  To for insert here.
 
  Navigate with arrows
 
  When you've done you go back to command mode with Esc
 
  Save your work with
 
  :w
 
  and quit
 
  :q

Probably the shortest guide to vi ever written g

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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 24 December 2003 17:33, Derek Jennings wrote:
 Ah.. well in that case I would suggest :-

 Log in as root and then type
 urpmi mc
 That will install midnight commander an easy to use text based file
 manager with an easy built in editor.

 Launch it with 'mc'

 IMO vi is totally newbie hostile. (After 3 years of using Linux I
 still only know 2 vi commands.)

You're halfway there, Derek - you only need 4 g

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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread Eric Huff
 Log in as root and then type
 urpmi mc
 That will install midnight commander an easy to use text based
 file manager with an easy built in editor.
 
 Launch it with 'mc'

That's good to know when helping new users.

 IMO vi is totally newbie hostile. (After 3 years of using Linux I
 still only know 2 vi commands.)

Well, you should be using emacs, then.  :)  (just kidding)

I love emacs, but emacs and vi are both capable of intimidating a
new user out of using *nix.

Even better is when you run emacs in console mode, a newbie might
think cool, there're pulldown menus while i learn, but i don't
know how to make them work.  

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Re: [newbie] Update question

2003-12-24 Thread Derek Jennings
On Wednesday 24 Dec 2003 6:40 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
 For the last few days I've been fighting with GIMP. When trying to
 print, it spits out papers with only a few lines of gibberish on
 them. Well, I uninstalled the thing and reinstalled. Now funny
 things happened : My Control Center disappeared completely. Had to
 reinstall drakxtools, drakconf etc. to get it back.

 But :  Mandrake-update, Install Software and Remove Software
 are all gone. Mandrake Control Center does not have a software
 option any more.

 Can anyone remember to which package those belong ?

 Thanks in advance and

 Merry Christmas to all of you !

 Kaj Haulrich.

urpmi rpmdrake

And a very Merry Christmas to one and all

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RE: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread John



 did you become root john? and did you cd to /etc before vi fstab?

 HTH and Merry Christmas!

 ronald

 ronald
 thanks for response. I had changed to root but not to /etc. Did as
 you suggested.Came up with the following:
 /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults 1 1
 none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
 /dev/hda6 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
 none/mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,ro,--,
 iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0
 none /mnt/floppy supermount
 dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,codepage=850.umask
=0 0 0
 none /proc proc defaults 0 0
 /dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0
 This file doesn't list the changed file shown by harddrake which
 was /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd. Are there any changes to
 make here?
 Thanks for the help
 John

Chage /dev/scd0 to /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd

Anne

Hi
Changed file and saved according to earlier instuctions. Tried to
mount cdrom and got the message can't find cdrom in /etc/fstab or
/etc/mtab.
Thanks
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Re: [newbie] Update question

2003-12-24 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Wednesday 24 December 2003 17:48, Derek Jennings wrote:
 On Wednesday 24 Dec 2003 6:40 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
  For the last few days I've been fighting with GIMP. When trying
  to print, it spits out papers with only a few lines of
  gibberish on them. Well, I uninstalled the thing and
  reinstalled. Now funny things happened : My Control Center
  disappeared completely. Had to reinstall drakxtools, drakconf
  etc. to get it back.
 
  But :  Mandrake-update, Install Software and Remove
  Software are all gone. Mandrake Control Center does not have a
  software option any more.
 
  Can anyone remember to which package those belong ?
 
  Thanks in advance and
 
  Merry Christmas to all of you !
 
  Kaj Haulrich.

 urpmi rpmdrake

 And a very Merry Christmas to one and all

 derek

Aaaarghh - must be my age. Of course. Thanks Derek.

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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 24 December 2003 17:56, John wrote:
  did you become root john? and did you cd to /etc before vi fstab?
 
  HTH and Merry Christmas!
 
  ronald
 
  ronald
  thanks for response. I had changed to root but not to /etc. Did
  as you suggested.Came up with the following:
  /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults 1 1
  none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
  /dev/hda6 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
  none/mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,ro,--,
  iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0
  none /mnt/floppy supermount
  dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,codepage=850.uma
 sk =0 0 0
  none /proc proc defaults 0 0
  /dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0
  This file doesn't list the changed file shown by harddrake which
  was /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd. Are there any changes
  to make here?
  Thanks for the help
  John

 Chage /dev/scd0 to /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd

 Anne

 Hi
 Changed file and saved according to earlier instuctions. Tried to
 mount cdrom and got the message can't find cdrom in /etc/fstab or
 /etc/mtab.
 Thanks
 john

John, did you say you were running 9.1?  I've never seen this 
behaviour in 9.1, though I have seen threads about 9.2 using this 
kind of naming.

I think it's time to take it to the expert list.  At least you will 
double your chances of it being read by someone who recognises the 
problem.  Sorry I wasn't much help

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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread Derek Jennings
On Wednesday 24 Dec 2003 5:44 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Wednesday 24 December 2003 17:33, Derek Jennings wrote:
  Ah.. well in that case I would suggest :-
 
  Log in as root and then type
  urpmi mc
  That will install midnight commander an easy to use text based file
  manager with an easy built in editor.
 
  Launch it with 'mc'
 
  IMO vi is totally newbie hostile. (After 3 years of using Linux I
  still only know 2 vi commands.)

 You're halfway there, Derek - you only need 4 g

 Anne

Well actually I get by OK just knowing :q! and zz  Unless you count the 
'Delete' key.  
But why should newbies have to learn arcane keystroke sequences when there are 
lots of easier text editors out there?

mc and jed  come to mind. (Both on the CDs)

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RE: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread John


  ronald
  thanks for response. I had changed to root but not to /etc. Did
  as you suggested.Came up with the following:
  /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults 1 1
  none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
  /dev/hda6 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
  none/mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,ro,--,
  iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0
  none /mnt/floppy supermount
  dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,codepage=850.uma
 sk =0 0 0
  none /proc proc defaults 0 0
  /dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0
  This file doesn't list the changed file shown by harddrake which
  was /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd. Are there any changes
  to make here?
  Thanks for the help
  John

 Chage /dev/scd0 to /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd

 Anne

 Hi
 Changed file and saved according to earlier instuctions. Tried to
 mount cdrom and got the message can't find cdrom in /etc/fstab or
 /etc/mtab.
 Thanks
 john

John, did you say you were running 9.1?  I've never seen this 
behaviour in 9.1, though I have seen threads about 9.2 using this 
kind of naming.

I think it's time to take it to the expert list.  At least you will 
double your chances of it being read by someone who recognises the 
problem.  Sorry I wasn't much help

Anne

Everyone has been helpful. Yes I am running 9.1. Everything had been
working great with no indications of problems. Then the cdrom wouldn't
work. I have 9.2 hopefully getting here today and I would like to
install this. I thought the cdrom would have to work before I could
install 9.2. Is there a way to get the 9.2 installation up with where
I am now or do I need to continue with trying to fix the cdrom
connection? 

Thanks 
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Re: [newbie]

2003-12-24 Thread Rob Blomquist
On Tuesday 23 December 2003 10:22 pm, Steven Nelson droned on:
 Am new to Linux. Worked with Linux for about 5 months. I've studied
 computers for a while. Can understand computers pretty good. Need help
 configuring Linux though. Will somebody assist me with installing and
 configuring Linux? Installing and configuring will probably get very
 technical.
it is real easy to install Mandrake.

But a few notes:
If you have a modem that you use to connect to the Internet, make sure that it 
will work under Linux. Some are WinModems, but only a subset can become 
LinModems. If you use DSL or connect to a LAN via a PCI NIC, then you should 
have no problem. If you connect via a USB connection, see below.

Know your actual monitor name. My Sony Trintron Multiscan 17SE is actually as 
Sony GDM-17SE, as you will be asked to provide that, I don't think it can be 
auto-detected.

If you have anything USB that is important to you, either learn to live 
without it, or study up on USB and the needs first. My USB mouse, and camera 
works great, but it took a little tweaking to be right. I would suggest a PS2 
mouse to install.

During Mandrake's Install, after Hardware detection, you will get a screen 
that lists all the possible hardware categories on the machine, and how they 
are set up. Go through each of these, and make sure that they are setup for 
your machine. One of my biggest goofs was when I breezed by this.
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Re: [newbie] A seasonal blast from the past

2003-12-24 Thread Rob Blomquist
Absolutely lovely!

I have not seen this before, but it is beautiful!

Rob

On Wednesday 24 December 2003 6:56 am, Richard Urwin droned on:
 From the SunOS4.1 cookie file:

 better !pout !cry
 better watchout
 lpr why
 santa claus north pole town

 cat /etc/passwd list
 ncheck list
 ncheck list
 cat list | grep naughty nogiftlist
 cat list | grep nice giftlist
 santa claus north pole  town

 who | grep sleeping
 who | grep awake
 who | egrep 'bad|good'
 for (goodness sake) {
   be good
 }


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[newbie] Good Updates to Poor Updates

2003-12-24 Thread Ken Green
Anne Wilson wrote:
I think it's time to take it to the expert list.  At least you will 
double your chances of it being read by someone who recognises the 
problem.  Sorry I wasn't much help

Anne
Anne:  IIRC, I saw your or someone else tread last week
whereas some updates deleted some of the programs and
applications such as it did to my 9.2.  I installed and
reinstaalled 10 last weekend and narrowed it down to one
or more of the 24 Bugfixes Updates.  Do you have any idea
if the corrupted update(s) was/were fixed?
Regard,

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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread Derek Jennings
On Wednesday 24 Dec 2003 6:22 pm, John wrote:
   ronald
   thanks for response. I had changed to root but not to /etc. Did
   as you suggested.Came up with the following:
   /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults 1 1
   none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
   /dev/hda6 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
   none/mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,ro,--,
   iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0
   none /mnt/floppy supermount
   dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,codepage=850.uma
  sk =0 0 0
   none /proc proc defaults 0 0
   /dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0
   This file doesn't list the changed file shown by harddrake which
   was /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd. Are there any changes
   to make here?
   Thanks for the help
   John
 
  Chage /dev/scd0 to /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd
 
  Anne
 
  Hi
  Changed file and saved according to earlier instuctions. Tried to
  mount cdrom and got the message can't find cdrom in /etc/fstab or
  /etc/mtab.
  Thanks
  john

 John, did you say you were running 9.1?  I've never seen this
 behaviour in 9.1, though I have seen threads about 9.2 using this
 kind of naming.

 I think it's time to take it to the expert list.  At least you will
 double your chances of it being read by someone who recognises the
 problem.  Sorry I wasn't much help

 Anne

 Everyone has been helpful. Yes I am running 9.1. Everything had been
 working great with no indications of problems. Then the cdrom wouldn't
 work. I have 9.2 hopefully getting here today and I would like to
 install this. I thought the cdrom would have to work before I could
 install 9.2. Is there a way to get the 9.2 installation up with where
 I am now or do I need to continue with trying to fix the cdrom
 connection?

 Thanks
 John

Erm.. I am coming in a bit late on this thread, but I take it that you have 
defined your CD drive to ide-scsi and now it does not work?

In the fstab file you list above there is a space missing between 'none' and 
'/mnt/cdrom'  - Maybe just a typo?

Also be aware if this is a DVD drive there are some DVD drives that will not 
work as ide-scsi (mine included)

You can confirm your drive is working as ide-scsi with
cat /proc/scsi/scsi

Apologies if I have totally misunderstood your problem.

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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread Rob Blomquist
 
  Chage /dev/scd0 to /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd
 
  Anne
 
  Hi
  Changed file and saved according to earlier instuctions. Tried to
  mount cdrom and got the message can't find cdrom in /etc/fstab or
  /etc/mtab.
  Thanks
  john

 John, did you say you were running 9.1?  I've never seen this
 behaviour in 9.1, though I have seen threads about 9.2 using this
 kind of naming.

Another way around this is to edit /etc/lilo.conf as root, and in the area 
named linux on the Append= line add devfs=nomount then save it and run 
lilo at the root prompt, and reboot.

My append line looks like this (all on one line):
append=devfs=nomount hdb=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi acpi=ht 
splash=silent

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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread E. Hines
On Wednesday 24 December 2003 10:22 am, John wrote:


 Everyone has been helpful. Yes I am running 9.1. Everything had been
 working great with no indications of problems. Then the cdrom wouldn't
 work. I have 9.2 hopefully getting here today and I would like to
 install this. I thought the cdrom would have to work before I could
 install 9.2. Is there a way to get the 9.2 installation up with where
 I am now or do I need to continue with trying to fix the cdrom
 connection?

 Thanks
 John

That won't be a problem, because you will be booting from cdrom--your Linux 
system on the hd won't even be mounted.  In fact, you will be nuking what you 
have when you format later.  The one glitch could be if the cd drive itself 
is bad (I've had several die), but if the machine finds the cd boot img that 
will rule out a bad drive. 
I helped a friend put 9.2 on a laptop yesterday.  The install went smooth as 
silk--really, really easy.  He was up and running in under 30 minutes.  
Hopefully, yours will be the same.

e.


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RE: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread John


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E. Hines
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 2:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] cd-rom

On Wednesday 24 December 2003 10:22 am, John wrote:


 Everyone has been helpful. Yes I am running 9.1. Everything had been
 working great with no indications of problems. Then the cdrom
wouldn't
 work. I have 9.2 hopefully getting here today and I would like to
 install this. I thought the cdrom would have to work before I could
 install 9.2. Is there a way to get the 9.2 installation up with
where
 I am now or do I need to continue with trying to fix the cdrom
 connection?

 Thanks
 John

That won't be a problem, because you will be booting from cdrom--your
Linux 
system on the hd won't even be mounted.  In fact, you will be nuking
what you 
have when you format later.  The one glitch could be if the cd drive
itself 
is bad (I've had several die), but if the machine finds the cd boot
img that 
will rule out a bad drive. 
I helped a friend put 9.2 on a laptop yesterday.  The install went
smooth as 
silk--really, really easy.  He was up and running in under 30 minutes.

Hopefully, yours will be the same.

e.


Hi
Apparently the cd has gone bad. 9.2 won't boot. The light blinks
continuously as it did before. Any suggestions on which way to
proceed? I probably still have time to pick up one today. What would
be compatible with mandrake? External with usb hookup? Etc.
Thanks for the help
John



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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread Aron Smith
On Wed, 2003-12-24 at 09:33, Derek Jennings wrote:
 On Wednesday 24 Dec 2003 5:19 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
  On Wednesday 24 December 2003 17:14, Derek Jennings wrote:
   On Wednesday 24 Dec 2003 4:35 pm, ronald wrote:
Op woensdag 24 december 2003 17:28, schreef John:
 I tried the vi fstab. It came up as a new file. I must have
 done something wrong. I also tried urpmi xfree86 incorrectly. I
 am lost when it comes to the command line. Will keep trying
 anything suggested. Sorry for the confusion on the email reply.
 Hope this works better.
 Thanks
 John
   
did you become root john? and did you cd to /etc before vi fstab?
   
HTH and Merry Christmas!
   
ronald
  
   If you do not like the command line and vi, then do not use it.
  
   From your KDE desktop Alt+F2 will open a box to run a command.
 
  He's lost X, Derek, due to the upgrade.
 
  Anne
 Ah.. well in that case I would suggest :-
 
 Log in as root and then type
 urpmi mc
 That will install midnight commander an easy to use text based file manager 
 with an easy built in editor.
 
 Launch it with 'mc'
 
 IMO vi is totally newbie hostile. (After 3 years of using Linux I still only 
 know 2 vi commands.)
Just a suggestion .. but go to Applications - editors- Konsole open it
then click on sessions MC is probably already installed. (at least it
was on mine after the urpmi --auto-select upgrade.
 
 derek


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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread Eric Huff
   He's lost X, Derek, due to the upgrade.
  
   Anne
  Ah.. well in that case I would suggest :-
  
  Log in as root and then type
  urpmi mc
  That will install midnight commander an easy to use text based
  file manager with an easy built in editor.
  
  Launch it with 'mc'
  
  IMO vi is totally newbie hostile. (After 3 years of using Linux
  I still only know 2 vi commands.)

 Just a suggestion .. but go to Applications - editors- Konsole
 open it then click on sessions MC is probably already installed.
 (at least it was on mine after the urpmi --auto-select upgrade.

Yeah, but the OP had lost X..

eric

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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 24 December 2003 18:10, Derek Jennings wrote:
 On Wednesday 24 Dec 2003 5:44 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
  On Wednesday 24 December 2003 17:33, Derek Jennings wrote:
   Ah.. well in that case I would suggest :-
  
   Log in as root and then type
   urpmi mc
   That will install midnight commander an easy to use text based
   file manager with an easy built in editor.
  
   Launch it with 'mc'
  
   IMO vi is totally newbie hostile. (After 3 years of using Linux
   I still only know 2 vi commands.)
 
  You're halfway there, Derek - you only need 4 g
 
  Anne

 Well actually I get by OK just knowing :q! and zz  Unless you count
 the 'Delete' key.
 But why should newbies have to learn arcane keystroke sequences
 when there are lots of easier text editors out there?

 mc and jed  come to mind. (Both on the CDs)

 derek

Each to his own, Derek.  I just find this the easiest when I have to 
do emergency work.  I can manage to remember those very few commands 
g

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Re: [newbie] Good Updates to Poor Updates

2003-12-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 24 December 2003 18:41, Ken Green wrote:
 Anne Wilson wrote:
  I think it's time to take it to the expert list.  At least you
  will double your chances of it being read by someone who
  recognises the problem.  Sorry I wasn't much help
 
  Anne

 Anne:  IIRC, I saw your or someone else tread last week
 whereas some updates deleted some of the programs and
 applications such as it did to my 9.2.  I installed and
 reinstaalled 10 last weekend and narrowed it down to one
 or more of the 24 Bugfixes Updates.  Do you have any idea
 if the corrupted update(s) was/were fixed?

I believe so.  This is what Vincent wrote on the MandrakeSecure list 
yesterday:

quote
No time to reply to every message.  Looks like our timing was bad on  
this for a few things.

The cooker snapshot ISO slowed down the xfree86 mirroring, which may  
have been a problem for a number of people updating on Friday and  
possibly Saturday as well.If you think of the snapshot mirroring  
and people downloading them, the mirrors probably were moving slower  
than usual.  Also, due to my over-protective scripts, not all of the  
old XF86 packages were removed and I neglected to tell Stew (who  
handled this update) about that.  It shouldn't have mattered because  
the system where the hdlists were built didn't have them, but you 
never  
know.

It also looked like some mirrors had corrupt hdlists... not sure how  
that happened, but it wasn't anything due to us.  I did regenerate the  
hdlists to make all the mirrors force pick it up again this morning...  
I don't know how they mirror, but a rsync would have cleaned up the 
bad  
hdlists quickly, whereas something like wget or fmirror may not  
have and we can't control how mirrors mirror.

So, in short, hopefully things will start to work as they should from  
this point forward.  And we're really sorry for the inconvenience  
caused to folks... if we had known the snapshot was going out Friday,  
we likely would have waited until today to release.
(/quote

It looks as though this was a set of circumstances that couldn't have 
been foreseen though  I suspect that there will be more communication 
between Cooker and MandrakeSecure in future, as they probably both 
had a shock.  No-one seems to know how the hdlists got corrupted 
though.  Still, I think it is fair to say that you can expect the 
upgrade to work now.  It would be nice, though, if someone who has 
done it would confirm that.

Anne
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[newbie] Mandrake move proceeding please wait...

2003-12-24 Thread Anguo

hello,

I just tried Mandrake move.
It boots (part 1,2,3...) but then the screen becomes black 
and I have a message at the bottom saying:
proceeding, please wait.
I then fail to notice anything happening.
I am supposed to wait how long?

Augustin


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[OT] Re: [newbie] Merry Christmas, people!

2003-12-24 Thread _nasturtium
Hi all!

Merry Christmas and have a happy new year!

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 03:37 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A wish for all to enjoy thier tradition's winter holiday/festival. :-)

Regards,
_nasturtium
Currently slowly roasting in Australia :-)
(summer down in the southern hemisphere)

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[newbie] Mandrakemove and Quanta

2003-12-24 Thread Trevor Rhodes
Hi Peeps,

Has anyone here noticed whether MM has Quanta?  I use it and would love to be 
sure it is in MM before I purchase.  It is the main thing I would need.  

Comments on other editors not needed or solicited.  :^)

 Regards
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