[newbie] Upgrading KDE
Hello everyone. This is my first posting to this list, and I'm quite pleased that this list exsists at all. Thanks for taking the time to read this. After searching through the list archive, I couldn't find an answer to my question, so I thought I'd ask here. Please excuse me if this has been answered already. Anyway, what I want to know is, how much of a pain is upgrading to KDE 3.3, and what the best/most painless way to go about it? I have the thracs.rpms repository added. Is it really as simple as 'init 3', and 'urpmi kdebase-3.3.3-20'?? I've also heard people suggest adding the cooker repository and upgrading that way, but I'm rather leery of doing that, since I don't *really* want to run an unstable distro, no matter how stable it actually is. Also, if I do the kdebase upgrade, and still have older parts of KDE installed (Kopete, amaroK, etc.), will it blow up, or just run them until I upgrade those parts too? Sorry about multiple questions here, but I'm trying to avoid having to re-install, (which would be my kneejerk reaction if the KDE upgrade doesn't work). --Phlod Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading KDE
On Thursday 03 March 2005 02:33 pm, Phlod wrote: Hello everyone. This is my first posting to this list, and I'm quite pleased that this list exsists at all. Thanks for taking the time to read this. After searching through the list archive, I couldn't find an answer to my question, so I thought I'd ask here. Please excuse me if this has been answered already. Anyway, what I want to know is, how much of a pain is upgrading to KDE 3.3, and what the best/most painless way to go about it? I have the thracs.rpms repository added. Is it really as simple as 'init 3', and 'urpmi kdebase-3.3.3-20'?? I've also heard people suggest adding the cooker repository and upgrading that way, but I'm rather leery of doing that, since I don't *really* want to run an unstable distro, no matter how stable it actually is. Also, if I do the kdebase upgrade, and still have older parts of KDE installed (Kopete, amaroK, etc.), will it blow up, or just run them until I upgrade those parts too? Sorry about multiple questions here, but I'm trying to avoid having to re-install, (which would be my kneejerk reaction if the KDE upgrade doesn't work). --Phlod Is there some specific reason you want to upgrade? I find the current stable version to be quite adequate. At any rate, doing an upgrade from kde may be a problem from what I have read on various forums. It seems to depend on the level of expertise and time to do all the dependencies. But, if someone like PLF or ESLRAHC site has them built for Mandrake 10.1 then give it a go. Anyone else want to jump in here? It only hurts when you laugh. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading KDE
On Thursday 03 March 2005 20:33, Phlod wrote: Hello everyone. This is my first posting to this list, and I'm quite pleased that this list exsists at all. Thanks for taking the time to read this. After searching through the list archive, I couldn't find an answer to my question, so I thought I'd ask here. Please excuse me if this has been answered already. Anyway, what I want to know is, how much of a pain is upgrading to KDE 3.3, and what the best/most painless way to go about it? I have the thracs.rpms repository added. Is it really as simple as 'init 3', and 'urpmi kdebase-3.3.3-20'?? I've also heard people suggest adding the cooker repository and upgrading that way, but I'm rather leery of doing that, since I don't *really* want to run an unstable distro, no matter how stable it actually is. Also, if I do the kdebase upgrade, and still have older parts of KDE installed (Kopete, amaroK, etc.), will it blow up, or just run them until I upgrade those parts too? Sorry about multiple questions here, but I'm trying to avoid having to re-install, (which would be my kneejerk reaction if the KDE upgrade doesn't work). --Phlod Actually you do not even need the 'init 3' You can upgrade KDE while you are running it. Just do not try opening any new applications while you are halfway through the upgrade. Do NOT add Cooker repository unless you want to upgrade your entire system to Cooker. Even though you only want to install KDE you will find 100's of other packages will get pulled in as dependencies. As soon as you upgrade kdebase with urpmi, any other application which depends on kdebase will also get upgraded. That means most KDE apps. And of course if you screw it all up you will still be able to log in with a different Window Manager. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading KDE
Derek Jennings wrote: On Thursday 03 March 2005 20:33, Phlod wrote: Hello everyone. This is my first posting to this list, and I'm quite pleased that this list exsists at all. Thanks for taking the time to read this. After searching through the list archive, I couldn't find an answer to my question, so I thought I'd ask here. Please excuse me if this has been answered already. Anyway, what I want to know is, how much of a pain is upgrading to KDE 3.3, and what the best/most painless way to go about it? I have the thracs.rpms repository added. Is it really as simple as 'init 3', and 'urpmi kdebase-3.3.3-20'?? I've also heard people suggest adding the cooker repository and upgrading that way, but I'm rather leery of doing that, since I don't *really* want to run an unstable distro, no matter how stable it actually is. Also, if I do the kdebase upgrade, and still have older parts of KDE installed (Kopete, amaroK, etc.), will it blow up, or just run them until I upgrade those parts too? Sorry about multiple questions here, but I'm trying to avoid having to re-install, (which would be my kneejerk reaction if the KDE upgrade doesn't work). --Phlod Actually you do not even need the 'init 3' You can upgrade KDE while you are running it. Just do not try opening any new applications while you are halfway through the upgrade. Do NOT add Cooker repository unless you want to upgrade your entire system to Cooker. Even though you only want to install KDE you will find 100's of other packages will get pulled in as dependencies. As soon as you upgrade kdebase with urpmi, any other application which depends on kdebase will also get upgraded. That means most KDE apps. And of course if you screw it all up you will still be able to log in with a different Window Manager. derek Derek, you are, as of now, my personal saviour. ;) Thank you for answering the questions even Google was unable to shed much light upon, and, for pointing out what should have been obvious to me in the first place; I can just use another WM if the KDE upgrade goes south. Wow, running Windows for so many years has really got my brain fixated on just one desktop, and if that goes to hell, it's time to reinstall. Gotta break out of that way of thinking. Thanks again. --Phlod Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading KDE
Derek Jennings ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thursday 03 March 2005 20:33, Phlod wrote: Hello everyone. This is my first posting to this list, and I'm quite pleased that this list exsists at all. Thanks for taking the time to read this. After searching through the list archive, I couldn't find an answer to my question, so I thought I'd ask here. Please excuse me if this has been answered already. Anyway, what I want to know is, how much of a pain is upgrading to KDE 3.3, and what the best/most painless way to go about it? I have the thracs.rpms repository added. Is it really as simple as 'init 3', and 'urpmi kdebase-3.3.3-20'?? I've also heard people suggest adding the cooker repository and upgrading that way, but I'm rather leery of doing that, since I don't *really* want to run an unstable distro, no matter how stable it actually is. Also, if I do the kdebase upgrade, and still have older parts of KDE installed (Kopete, amaroK, etc.), will it blow up, or just run them until I upgrade those parts too? Sorry about multiple questions here, but I'm trying to avoid having to re-install, (which would be my kneejerk reaction if the KDE upgrade doesn't work). --Phlod Actually you do not even need the 'init 3' You can upgrade KDE while you are running it. Just do not try opening any new applications while you are halfway through the upgrade. Do NOT add Cooker repository unless you want to upgrade your entire system to Cooker. Even though you only want to install KDE you will find 100's of other packages will get pulled in as dependencies. As soon as you upgrade kdebase with urpmi, any other application which depends on kdebase will also get upgraded. That means most KDE apps. And of course if you screw it all up you will still be able to log in with a different Window Manager. And just to add something to this advice, Phlod, before you do upgrade, list all the packages you currently have installed. The best way would be to use the command-line (konsole, xterm, etc..) by typing at the prompt: $ rpm -qa |grep -i kde | sort ~/kde_rpms.list or some other filename, you may have to do that as root, if your user is not in the *rpm* group. This will get you most, if not all, of the kde packages. Beats writing them down .. derek Sorry to hijack Derek, just thought it might help ;) -- RickS gpg --recv-keys --keyserver www.keyserver.net 0x24AABE61 The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed. --Albert Einstein Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading
--On Tuesday, August 31, 2004 20:05:51 -0400 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:50:14 -0400 Charles A Edwards disseminated the following: They've put you back on the meds, haven't they? You betcha, massive doses of Thorazine. Is spam that targeted now, I only get spam for viagra, perhaps I should make an appointment with my doctor. Nigel Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:23:32 +0100 Nigel Wilkinson disseminated the following: They've put you back on the meds, haven't they? You betcha, massive doses of Thorazine. Is spam that targeted now, I only get spam for viagra, perhaps I should make an appointment with my doctor. Now that you mention it, I do see a lot of spam for prescription meds like Xanax (sp?) and other psychoactives getting caught by the filters. Perhaps the spammers have been monitoring my posts on this list... -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 19:07:00 up 29 days, 18:51, 5 users, load average: 0.07, 0.07, 0.06 +++ The rich control all the businesses, the newspapers and everything else. But they can no longer control the people. -- Margarita Mendoza, street vendor, Venezuela Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Upgrading
Does anyone know how I can upgrade my site to version 4.5.1 from 4.5 without having to redo all my pages? image001.jpg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading
On Tuesday 31 August 2004 17:02, Wally Brown wrote: version 4.5.1 from 4.5 of what program? please don't send html-mail to this list (you wannna see what it looks like???) -- linux counter #167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:02:02 -0600 Wally Brown disseminated the following: Does anyone know how I can upgrade my site to version 4.5.1 from 4.5 without having to redo all my pages? Ok, you gotta be kiddin' me. Not only *HTML* but a *cutesy coloured background*??!! What's next, freakin' animated gifs of dancing babies? sigh Anyway, we're really very friendly here (er, mostly), but please be more specific about your question and please read this: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette Thank you, come again! -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 19:08:33 up 27 days, 18:53, 5 users, load average: 0.09, 0.09, 0.03 +++ If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged. -- Noam Chomsky Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:13:54 -0400 JoeHill wrote: Thank you, come again! They've put you back on the meds, haven't they? Charles -- The second best policy is dishonesty. - Mandrake Linux 10.1 on PurpleDragon 2.6.8.1-4mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgpaXPbKdxtyA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Upgrading
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:50:14 -0400 Charles A Edwards disseminated the following: They've put you back on the meds, haven't they? You betcha, massive doses of Thorazine. -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 20:05:06 up 27 days, 19:49, 6 users, load average: 1.50, 1.52, 1.19 +++ If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged. -- Noam Chomsky Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading 10 CE to 10 Official ?
On Saturday 07 August 2004 10:11 pm, Carl J. Bauman wrote: That seemed to work for me. I changed sources and then ran urpmi --auto-select --auto. This results in a pretty sizeable download, so you might want to reconsider this approach if you're not on some sort of broadband connection. There's always cheapbytes.com... HTH, Carl Sorry about the multiple posts! My email client kept telling me that the smtp server was refusing connections... Carl Thats ok, thanks for the answer, im on cable so it should not be a problem for me have two boxes to do hahaha, errmm ummm. sorry for the foolish laughter been a long day. Regards, Dan Gordon -- Sun Aug 8 00:46:17 EDT 2004 00:46:17 up 4 days, 4:21, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Absence makes the heart grow fonder. -- Sextus Aurelius Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Upgrading 10 CE to 10 Official ?
I want to upgrade one of my computers from 10 CE to 10 Official. Should I just change the sources at easy urpmi to do this or is there somthing else i should do ? TIA Regards, Dan Gordon -- Wed Aug 4 22:38:42 EDT 2004 22:38:42 up 1 day, 2:14, 0 users, load average: 0.01, 0.29, 0.20 I have had my television aerials removed. It's the moral equivalent of a prostate operation. -- Malcolm Muggeridge Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] upgrading to KDE3.2.3 problems
I upgraded KDE on my Mandrake 10 system from ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.2.3/Mandrake/RPMS Now Kmail does not work. None of the buttons are clickable. The Pager won't display apps. The system tray won't come up. What a pain! Anyone else experience this? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] upgrading from 9.2 to Cooker without cd's
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 March 2004 09:10 pm, John Drouhard wrote: I have another question about upgrading to 10.0 so I thought I'd start a new thread. I have a local mirror of cooker. I would like to install it so I could have 10 + all bugfixes so far. However, I finally have my system set up perfectly, without any problems that I can see. I run my own 2.6 kernel, and a whole bunch of other stuff. That's why I was hoping to just do an upgrade - maybe catch the new versions of the programs. But on the other hand, I kind of need to start over with my spring cleaning. My /usr partition is 7.6 GB full. I am lost as to whether try to upgrade, or to start over. If I do decide to upgrade, can't I just do it with the following commands: urpmi urpmi urpmi --auto-select I don't want old configuration files from old packages lingering around though. I want the new and improved menu structure, etc. Thanks for any input - its appreciated. John I did the urpmi --auto-select thing to move a 9.2 that had been pretty heavily customized to 10.0. I also did it on a stock 9.2 machine with no customizations and no packages installed from contrib or plf and I must say that although I eventually got it working, my main box was a PITA dealing with all the little niggles that came up. The second machine was smooth as silk. So I would say that the more complex your setup, and the more third party and built from source software you have installed, the harder it will be to do this without any problems. On a heavily cusimized box, your best option might be to zip up your /etc directory for future reference and do a clean install. - -- /g -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAXiQwGu5uuMFlL5MRAiOpAJ4jKCne+DCzeqoFiw/lblnt9zopxQCfS+X1 hXQD3v0AFJMEdZfnMe9pQ2g= =JLX6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] upgrading from 9.2 to Cooker without cd's
I have another question about upgrading to 10.0 so I thought I'd start a new thread. I have a local mirror of cooker. I would like to install it so I could have 10 + all bugfixes so far. However, I finally have my system set up perfectly, without any problems that I can see. I run my own 2.6 kernel, and a whole bunch of other stuff. That's why I was hoping to just do an upgrade - maybe catch the new versions of the programs. But on the other hand, I kind of need to start over with my spring cleaning. My /usr partition is 7.6 GB full. I am lost as to whether try to upgrade, or to start over. If I do decide to upgrade, can't I just do it with the following commands: urpmi urpmi urpmi --auto-select I don't want old configuration files from old packages lingering around though. I want the new and improved menu structure, etc. Thanks for any input - its appreciated. John -- Fri Mar 19 20:05:37 CST 2004 -- Registered Linux User # 315649 Registered Machine # 201001 An idle mind is worth two in the bush. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading to mdk 10
aronsmith wrote: Just upgraded to mdk 10 any one know how to get KDE back? or Gnome even IceWm is all that comes up. K mail crashes. whatv packages do I need? TIA smitty (who is more confused than ever) Apparently the KDE packages have been rearranged - I suggest you try rpmdrake via mcc, search for anything with kde in the name - I think you need kdebase, plus (probably lots of!) dependencies - with any luck, Kmail will work once you've got KDE. Good luck Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading to mdk 10
- Original Message - From: Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 07:05 Subject: Re: [newbie] Upgrading to mdk 10 aronsmith wrote: Just upgraded to mdk 10 any one know how to get KDE back? or Gnome even IceWm is all that comes up. K mail crashes. whatv packages do I need? TIA smitty (who is more confused than ever) Apparently the KDE packages have been rearranged - I suggest you try rpmdrake via mcc, search for anything with kde in the name - I think you need kdebase, plus (probably lots of!) dependencies - with any luck, Kmail will work once you've got KDE. Will someone tell smitty (and me) how to kill icewm and restart gdm. Once we know how to change window managers we stand a much better chance of finding one that works the way I want it to. No reflection on smitty if I knew how to kill icewm forever I would. Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading to mdk 10
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sunday 15 February 2004 8:16 am, aronsmith wrote: Apparently the KDE packages have been rearranged - I suggest you try rpmdrake via mcc, search for anything with kde in the name - I think you need kdebase, plus (probably lots of!) dependencies - with any luck, Kmail will work once you've got KDE. It dosn't shoe -Anything_ (nothing at all ) in MCC install software and shows Nothing in bugfix upgrade or security fix Aron kmail is now called kdepim-kmail. The address book and quite a few of the other packages that were once a large bundle called kdenetwork are broken up even further than they were for 9.2. More along the lines of functional groupings currently, for example kdepim is an acronym for kde personal information management. And so on. Below is a (partial) list of the KDE apps I have installed, everything works. k3b karchiver kdeaddons kdeaddons-noatun kdeadmin kdeartwork kdebase-common kdebase-kate kdebase-kdm kdebase-kdm-config-file kdebase-kmenuedit kdebase-konsole kdebase-nsplugins kdebase-progs kdebase-servicemenu kdegames kdegraphics-common (a large sub group that should still be part of a package bundle) kdelibs-common (sub groups and pkgs available) kdemultimedia kdenetwork-common (sub groups again, go through the list) kdepim-common (sub and so on again) kdetoys kdeutils-common (sub etc) You say you have upgraded, what method? Have you defined software source repositories for cooker? I suggest main and contrib at least, maybe PLF too depending on what you had installed for the previous version. Remove all the old media for 9.2 or whatever. Conflicts. I'd use the Easy URPMI site: http://urpmi.org/easyurpmi/index.php and in this particular instance I _would_ remove the disks if you have the bandwidth since the disks you installed from are so out of date as to be not worth much. The latest ATM is beta2 and RC1 is going to arrive shortly. Even that will be slightly out of date when most people get it. After you've defined sources for cooker mirrors issue the commands: urpmi.update -a [Enter] urpmi --auto-select [Enter] You could add a further --auto flag to that last one but I have a feeling that, like me, you always want to know what will be installed before installation starts. Am I correct? Finally; Mandrake Update won't work on a cooker install for the simple reason cooker is a moving target even during a freeze leading to a new release. Bug squashing means the packages will be updated daily in some cases. In other words update is happening in the actual release tree (cooker and contrib) rather than the tree being static and updates happening separately. HTH Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (RC1) for i586 kernel 2.4.25-0.pre7.3mdk 09:31:21 up 21:52, 1 user, load average: 0.17, 0.06, 0.01 Cleanliness becomes more important when godliness is unlikely. -- P.J. O'Rourke -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAL6UEZqvqlrLPr5YRAsrAAJ9daAcJvk5UTh0HJ2nNZX4xN+PAUQCfYFAu fvA8IGel3i/Re/pZc0aN1qk= =8GyS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading to mdk 10
Hoyt Bailey wrote: - Original Message - From: Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 07:05 Subject: Re: [newbie] Upgrading to mdk 10 aronsmith wrote: Just upgraded to mdk 10 any one know how to get KDE back? or Gnome even IceWm is all that comes up. K mail crashes. whatv packages do I need? TIA smitty (who is more confused than ever) Apparently the KDE packages have been rearranged - I suggest you try rpmdrake via mcc, search for anything with kde in the name - I think you need kdebase, plus (probably lots of!) dependencies - with any luck, Kmail will work once you've got KDE. Will someone tell smitty (and me) how to kill icewm and restart gdm. Once we know how to change window managers we stand a much better chance of finding one that works the way I want it to. No reflection on smitty if I knew how to kill icewm forever I would. I had this problem and solved it by changing from kdm to mdkkdm. Sir Robin -- Telling disgruntled employees that they are always free to leave their jobs seems no different in principle from telling political dissidents that they are free to emigrate. - Stephen Newman Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading to mdk 10
On Sunday 15 February 2004 05:16 pm, robin wrote: Hoyt Bailey wrote: - Original Message - From: Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 07:05 Subject: Re: [newbie] Upgrading to mdk 10 aronsmith wrote: Just upgraded to mdk 10 any one know how to get KDE back? or Gnome even IceWm is all that comes up. K mail crashes. whatv packages do I need? TIA smitty (who is more confused than ever) Apparently the KDE packages have been rearranged - I suggest you try rpmdrake via mcc, search for anything with kde in the name - I think you need kdebase, plus (probably lots of!) dependencies - with any luck, Kmail will work once you've got KDE. Will someone tell smitty (and me) how to kill icewm and restart gdm. Once we know how to change window managers we stand a much better chance of finding one that works the way I want it to. No reflection on smitty if I knew how to kill icewm forever I would. I had this problem and solved it by changing from kdm to mdkkdm. Sir Robin here's a kludge... open a term, su to root, urpmi Xtart, (providing you got good (plf) urpmi sources), then init 3, login again, and type Xtart Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Upgrading to mdk 10
Just upgraded to mdk 10 any one know how to get KDE back? or Gnome even IceWm is all that comes up. K mail crashes. whatv packages do I need? TIA smitty (who is more confused than ever) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Upgrading Spamassassin
Ok, here comes probably a really dumb question. I'm running MDK 9.0 with SA 2.41. I'd like to upgrade to at least SA 2.55 however I also don't want to fsck up my system. SA 2.55 says it requires the following: * rpm-helper * perl-Mail-SpamAssassin * /bin/sh * /bin/sh * bash * perl-base * libc.so.6 * libcrypto.so.0.9.7 * libdl.so.2 * libssl.so.0.9.7 If I were to seperately install/upgrade these would they mess up my present 9.0 system? -- Regards Chris A 100% Microsoft free computer Registered Linux User 283774 http://counter.li.org 9:54pm up 22 days, 7:33, 8 users, load average: 0.05, 0.19, 0.18 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Upgrading, backing up, and restoring data - moving from 9.1 to 9.2
Hi all, I've recently decided to take the plunge and use 9.2 as my base OS. I'm performing a clean install on a brand new hard drive. My old mdk 9.1 install still resides on two old hard disks. My question is this: Is there a simple way to restore my data from 9.1? The main apps that need to be restored are GAIM, Evolution, and Kmail. While I do need the info back from them, I DO NOT want to over write system files since 9.2 has newer packages installed. I've heard some people just copy the old folder back (so I'd copy my old Tango directory to over write my current Tango directory). That would over write the sys files IMO. I know Mandrake has a backup/restore utility too, but I'm not sure if that applies here. Lastly, if no solution is available, why not? It would seem simple enough to me. Just make a program or bash script that copies all the data files (not system files) to another hard drive or cd, then run it again to restore them. I'm sure many of you must go thru this at the rate we upgrade. This is the biggest pain of the upgrade procedure IMO. Tweaking my eye candy in the new version, etc is no big deal, it's trying to remember what files go where w/backup/restore, etc. Any ideas here? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading, backing up, and restoring data - moving from 9.1 to 9.2
On Wednesday 07 Jan 2004 4:13 pm, Tango Echo wrote: Hi all, I've recently decided to take the plunge and use 9.2 as my base OS. I'm performing a clean install on a brand new hard drive. My old mdk 9.1 install still resides on two old hard disks. My question is this: Is there a simple way to restore my data from 9.1? The main apps that need to be restored are GAIM, Evolution, and Kmail. While I do need the info back from them, I DO NOT want to over write system files since 9.2 has newer packages installed. I've heard some people just copy the old folder back (so I'd copy my old Tango directory to over write my current Tango directory). That would over write the sys files IMO. I know Mandrake has a backup/restore utility too, but I'm not sure if that applies here. Lastly, if no solution is available, why not? It would seem simple enough to me. Just make a program or bash script that copies all the data files (not system files) to another hard drive or cd, then run it again to restore them. I'm sure many of you must go thru this at the rate we upgrade. This is the biggest pain of the upgrade procedure IMO. Tweaking my eye candy in the new version, etc is no big deal, it's trying to remember what files go where w/backup/restore, etc. Any ideas here? The only places where configuration is held is in /etc for system configuration and in your home directory for user configuration. So for example to have the same samba configuration in your new set up copy the old contents into /etc/samba To get your user setting for gaim back just copy the contents of ~/.gaim back into your home. (Note files beginning with '.' are hidden) Many of us get around the issue by keeping /home on a separate partition, and then simply not formatting that partition when doing a new install. All your configurations and user files are therefore preserved. One work of warning though. All files in Linux have a UID (User Ident Number) and GID (Group Ident Number) It is vital for your users to have the same UID/GID numbers between installs or else you would end up not owning your own files. The simple way around the issue is to always add your users in the same order when you install. The first user is UID 501 the second is 502 etc. (This gets a bit complicated if you use Userdrake to add users because it will start adding users with a UID of 500) BTW: If you use drakbackup to back up your system it will save the users home directories and the contents of /etc which you can then use to set up a new install. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Upgrading, backing up, and restoring data - moving from 9.1 to 9.2
-Original Message- From: Derek Jennings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Upgrading, backing up, and restoring data - moving from 9.1 to 9.2 On Wednesday 07 Jan 2004 4:13 pm, Tango Echo wrote: Hi all, I've recently decided to take the plunge and use 9.2 as my base OS. I'm performing a clean install on a brand new hard drive. My old mdk 9.1 install still resides on two old hard disks. My question is this: Is there a simple way to restore my data from 9.1? The main apps that need to be restored are GAIM, Evolution, and Kmail. While I do need the info back from them, I DO NOT want to over write system files since 9.2 has newer packages installed. I've heard some people just copy the old folder back (so I'd copy my old Tango directory to over write my current Tango directory). That would over write the sys files IMO. I know Mandrake has a backup/restore utility too, but I'm not sure if that applies here. Lastly, if no solution is available, why not? It would seem simple enough to me. Just make a program or bash script that copies all the data files (not system files) to another hard drive or cd, then run it again to restore them. I'm sure many of you must go thru this at the rate we upgrade. This is the biggest pain of the upgrade procedure IMO. Tweaking my eye candy in the new version, etc is no big deal, it's trying to remember what files go where w/backup/restore, etc. Any ideas here? The only places where configuration is held is in /etc for system configuration and in your home directory for user configuration. So for example to have the same samba configuration in your new set up copy the old contents into /etc/samba To get your user setting for gaim back just copy the contents of ~/.gaim back into your home. (Note files beginning with '.' are hidden) Many of us get around the issue by keeping /home on a separate partition, and then simply not formatting that partition when doing a new install. All your configurations and user files are therefore preserved. One work of warning though. All files in Linux have a UID (User Ident Number) and GID (Group Ident Number) It is vital for your users to have the same UID/GID numbers between installs or else you would end up not owning your own files. The simple way around the issue is to always add your users in the same order when you install. The first user is UID 501 the second is 502 etc. (This gets a bit complicated if you use Userdrake to add users because it will start adding users with a UID of 500) BTW: If you use drakbackup to back up your system it will save the users home directories and the contents of /etc which you can then use to set up a new install. derek Thanks for the detailed reply Derek =) ! Now, am I understanding you correctly that worrying about app file over writes is not an issue? That was primarily what I was worried about. For example, if app files such as those that make up mozilla 1.3 are in the Tango directory and I install 9.2, will 1.3 be the browser if I copy the Tango dir back? Or are all working app files stored outside of ~ ? I realize you said sys config files are in /etc but I want to make sure you didn't mean app files - those that make up the actual program (probably should've used 'app file' vs. 'sys file'). I've heard of the seperate /home partition, but looks like this will be something I need to do! Can you give me a modern expectation for size allocation of /? I've heard 1.5 - 2 times for swap, and /home takes what's left after /, but I've never really known what to allocate for just /... I've got around 50 GB to spare for the partitioning. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
NVIDIA_GLX and NVIDIA_kernel Re: XF86Config-4 and nvidia drivers Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
On Friday 19 Dec 2003 4:44 am, JoeHill wrote: Can you not have two sets of drivers installed, kernel *and* GLX, as long as they are installed into seperate kernels? Seems to me, as I indicated below, he should be able to install both kernel and GLX drivers and have 3D acceleration in both kernels... I have now been able to get my new kernel working, and X and 3D acceleration. I have noticed that NVIDIA_kernel, just like the kernel, are installed side by side but the NVIDIA_GLX are upgraded. So the answer is no: we cannot have 3D accelerations in both kernels with the nvidia drivers. Thanks to all who helped. Augustin -- Quote of the day: I think, therefore I am. - Descartes I compute, therefore I crash. - Gates Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: NVIDIA_GLX and NVIDIA_kernel Re: XF86Config-4 and nvidia drivers Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
If your trying to have the NVIDIA drivers work in both 2.4 and 2.6 on the same machine it's easy enoughyou just need to use the same version of the kernel driver. eg 5328. you simply install the 2.4 one which updates glx to 5328 version. Then extract the source for the header for the kernel driver patch them. reboot into 2.6 and compile them by hand. The kernel drivers install in /lib/modules/kernel-x.x.x-x/drivers/video with the 2.4 being in /lib/modules/kernel-2.4.xx-x/drivers/video and 2.6 in /lib/modules/kernel-2.6.xx-x/drivers/video I've got them quite happily existing side by side. As long as you use the same nvidia drivers version they're quite happy with sharing GLX. If I've totally missed the plot just ignore me :) Chad On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:01, Anguo wrote: On Friday 19 Dec 2003 4:44 am, JoeHill wrote: Can you not have two sets of drivers installed, kernel *and* GLX, as long as they are installed into seperate kernels? Seems to me, as I indicated below, he should be able to install both kernel and GLX drivers and have 3D acceleration in both kernels... I have now been able to get my new kernel working, and X and 3D acceleration. I have noticed that NVIDIA_kernel, just like the kernel, are installed side by side but the NVIDIA_GLX are upgraded. So the answer is no: we cannot have 3D accelerations in both kernels with the nvidia drivers. Thanks to all who helped. Augustin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
Hello, At last, I've come around to upgrading my kernel, after upgrading all the other applications to 9.2 when it came out. I got a fright when mandrake wouldn't boot (actually, it did but X didn't start, which comes to the same for me). My lilo.conf was a bit mixed up, but I managed to boot with the rescue cd and modify it, so that I can now boot with the old kernel. From searching the archives of this list and doing a lot of reading, I know that kernel images are installed side by side. So now I have: vmlinuz-2.4.22-21mdk vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.13mdk My question concern the nvidia driver. I have downloaded from the club: NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-4496-2.2.92mdk.i586.rpm but I am hesitating to urpmi it, because I don't understand how it would affect my current setup. If after installing the nvidia driver, there are any problem, I need to be able to boot with the old kernel (the one I am using now). I don't want to be in a situation where the new one doesn't work and the old one got broken because of conflicting nvidia driver version. I am not sure I express myself clearly here: Are the different versions of nvidia kernel modules installed side by side, like the kernel is? If I install the new module to use with the new kernel, will I still be able to use the old nvidia driver with the old kernel (a configuration that I know is working now)? If things go wrong, what would I then need to do in order to be able to boot and use X (my lifeline to get help...).? Lilo.conf is now setup to boot with the old kernel by default, but an option for the new kernel exists too. How should I modify it to select specific versions of nvidia drivers for each kernel image? thanks, Augustin -- UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:39:22 +0800 Anguo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question concern the nvidia driver. I have downloaded from the club: NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-4496-2.2.92mdk.i586.rpm but I am hesitating to urpmi it, because I don't understand how it would affect my current setup. If after installing the nvidia driver, there are any problem, I need to be able to boot with the old kernel (the one I am using now). I don't want to be in a situation where the new one doesn't work and the old one got broken because of conflicting nvidia driver version. If you install the Nvidia RPM while booted into that particular kernel version, you should be fine. It will install the Nvidia module/driver into the appropriate kernel, leaving the other alone. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ Such mistakes could make the Afghan people think ill of the coalition... -- Bryan Hilferty, American Coalition Spokesman, on the murder of 9 innocent children by American attack planes in Afghanistan, Dec. 6, 2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
On Thursday 18 Dec 2003 4:55 pm, JoeHill wrote: but I am hesitating to urpmi it, because I don't understand how it would affect my current setup. If after installing the nvidia driver, there are any problem, I need to be able to boot with the old kernel (the one I am using now). I don't want to be in a situation where the new one doesn't work and the old one got broken because of conflicting nvidia driver version. If you install the Nvidia RPM while booted into that particular kernel version, you should be fine. It will install the Nvidia module/driver into the appropriate kernel, leaving the other alone. Thank you, Joe, I'd like to make sure I understand properly what you mean: I am using current_kernel with current_nvidia_driver. I have installed new_kernel and downloaded new_nvidia_driver. X won't start with new_kernel, so I am using current_kernel. you mean that I should boot with new_kernel, and from the console do urpmi new_nvidia_driver. I should NOT do it from current_kernel. After having done so, I will still have the choice in LILO to boot EITHER with current_kernel and current_nvidia_driver OR with new_kernel with the newly installed new_nvidia_driver. Thus, even if the new_nvidia rpm is badly corrupted, I WILL still have a working X running or current_kernel. Is this what you mean? (I used to try things before asking questions, and I have badly trashed my system in the past, leaving me unconnected and helpless. This time, I prefer to make sure that I will do things correctly). thanks, Augustin. -- In the news: Microsoft memo: Linux fight backfiring The software giant's efforts to mock open-source software such as Linux have worked against the company Read more: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2125524,00.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 02:17, Anguo wrote: On Thursday 18 Dec 2003 4:55 pm, JoeHill wrote: but I am hesitating to urpmi it, because I don't understand how it would affect my current setup. If after installing the nvidia driver, there are any problem, I need to be able to boot with the old kernel (the one I am using now). I don't want to be in a situation where the new one doesn't work and the old one got broken because of conflicting nvidia driver version. If you install the Nvidia RPM while booted into that particular kernel version, you should be fine. It will install the Nvidia module/driver into the appropriate kernel, leaving the other alone. Thank you, Joe, I'd like to make sure I understand properly what you mean: I am using current_kernel with current_nvidia_driver. I have installed new_kernel and downloaded new_nvidia_driver. X won't start with new_kernel, so I am using current_kernel. you mean that I should boot with new_kernel, and from the console do urpmi new_nvidia_driver. I should NOT do it from current_kernel. After having done so, I will still have the choice in LILO to boot EITHER with current_kernel and current_nvidia_driver OR with new_kernel with the newly installed new_nvidia_driver. Thus, even if the new_nvidia rpm is badly corrupted, I WILL still have a working X running or current_kernel. Is this what you mean? (I used to try things before asking questions, and I have badly trashed my system in the past, leaving me unconnected and helpless. This time, I prefer to make sure that I will do things correctly). thanks, Augustin. hwo did u get that kernel? cuz i want it... urpmi kernel-nvidia? -- jason pearl [EMAIL PROTECTED] ++ Keep your friends close and your enemies closer-Tupac ++ Kurrupted Visionz Phx, AZregistered linux user #307811 MDK 9.2 Linux http://counter.li.org AMD64 Opteron 1.6 ASUS SK8N signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:17:26 +0800 Anguo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you mean that I should boot with new_kernel, and from the console do urpmi new_nvidia_driver. I should NOT do it from current_kernel. Just to be on the safe side. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that the Nvidia RPM knows which kernel to install to, but hey... After having done so, I will still have the choice in LILO to boot EITHER with current_kernel and current_nvidia_driver OR with new_kernel with the newly installed new_nvidia_driver. Thus, even if the new_nvidia rpm is badly corrupted, I WILL still have a working X running or current_kernel. Is this what you mean? Yep. You shouldn't be in X when installing the Nvidia drivers anyway. The reason, of course, that X won't start with the new kenel, is that in your XF86Config-4 you have it set to load the Nvidia driver. As long as the old kernel is still loading the Nvidia driver, you can always go back. This whole kernel business *is* kinda unnerving, no? ;-) -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be.-- Lao Tsu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 02:29, JoeHill wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:17:26 +0800 Anguo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you mean that I should boot with new_kernel, and from the console do urpmi new_nvidia_driver. I should NOT do it from current_kernel. Just to be on the safe side. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that the Nvidia RPM knows which kernel to install to, but hey... After having done so, I will still have the choice in LILO to boot EITHER with current_kernel and current_nvidia_driver OR with new_kernel with the newly installed new_nvidia_driver. Thus, even if the new_nvidia rpm is badly corrupted, I WILL still have a working X running or current_kernel. Is this what you mean? Yep. You shouldn't be in X when installing the Nvidia drivers anyway. The reason, of course, that X won't start with the new kenel, is that in your XF86Config-4 you have it set to load the Nvidia driver. As long as the old kernel is still loading the Nvidia driver, you can always go back. This whole kernel business *is* kinda unnerving, no? ;-) so how do u stop x? get out then xserver stop ??? then do the rpm nvidia.*.rpm? -- jason pearl [EMAIL PROTECTED] ++ Keep your friends close and your enemies closer-Tupac ++ Kurrupted Visionz Phx, AZregistered linux user #307811 MDK 9.2 Linux http://counter.li.org AMD64 Opteron 1.6 ASUS SK8N signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 05:40, jason pearl wrote: On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 02:29, JoeHill wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:17:26 +0800 Anguo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you mean that I should boot with new_kernel, and from the console do urpmi new_nvidia_driver. I should NOT do it from current_kernel. Just to be on the safe side. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that the Nvidia RPM knows which kernel to install to, but hey... After having done so, I will still have the choice in LILO to boot EITHER with current_kernel and current_nvidia_driver OR with new_kernel with the newly installed new_nvidia_driver. Thus, even if the new_nvidia rpm is badly corrupted, I WILL still have a working X running or current_kernel. Is this what you mean? Yep. You shouldn't be in X when installing the Nvidia drivers anyway. The reason, of course, that X won't start with the new kenel, is that in your XF86Config-4 you have it set to load the Nvidia driver. As long as the old kernel is still loading the Nvidia driver, you can always go back. This whole kernel business *is* kinda unnerving, no? ;-) so how do u stop x? get out then xserver stop ??? then do the rpm nvidia.*.rpm? If you boot directly to graphic mode: init 3 To go back to graphic mode: init 5 You must be root to enter those commands. Adolfo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
Anguo wrote: Hello, From searching the archives of this list and doing a lot of reading, I know that kernel images are installed side by side. So now I have:vmlinuz-2.4.22-21mdkvmlinuz-2.4.21-0.13mdkMy question concern the nvidia driver. I have downloaded from the club: NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-4496-2.2.92mdk.i586.rpm Pound to a penny you forgot to modify your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Section Device Identifier device1 VendorName nVidia Corporation BoardName NVIDIA GeForce3 (generic) Driver nv --- change to this !!! Option DPMS EndSection There are two nvidia driver versions , the rpm and the tar ball, the rpm gives you the proprietry nvidia boot splash, the tar ball doesn't, both need the above modification, or did when I last did it in M9.1. Either way , I think the rpm installs on desktop is OK in which case do the text modification there, but the tar ball has to be out of X windows at a root consul, and you will need to do the edit form there, something like MC, or if you can fathom it vi. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
init 3 Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
On Thursday 18 Dec 2003 6:51 pm, Adolfo Bello wrote: If you boot directly to graphic mode: init 3 When I do so, Linux starts in text mode but Mandrake always end up by starting X anyway without me doing anything. ??? Anguo -- Quote of the day: MS bet the firm on .NET Sun bet the firm on Java IBM bet the firm on Linux SCO bet the firm on Lawyers. by perly-king-69 Read more: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=71977cid=6498138 http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/07/22/0528203 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
On Thursday 18 Dec 2003 5:28 pm, jason pearl wrote: you mean that I should boot with new_kernel, and from the console do urpmi new_nvidia_driver. I should NOT do it from current_kernel. hwo did u get that kernel? cuz i want it... urpmi kernel-nvidia? Hello Jason, I was referring to NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-4496-2.2.92mdk.i586.rpm which I downloaded from the Mandrake Club rpm repository: http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/ Blessings, Anguo -- Quote of the day: Windows is a 32-bit GUI for a 16-bit OS initially written for an 8-bit CPU which is a descendant of a 4-bit microprocessor from a company with a 2-bit name who can't stand 1-bit of competition. http://sbp.f2o.org/2003/wypy?WinDows Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
XF86Config-4 and nvidia drivers (Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
On Thursday 18 Dec 2003 5:29 pm, JoeHill wrote: Yep. You shouldn't be in X when installing the Nvidia drivers anyway. The reason, of course, that X won't start with the new kenel, is that in your XF86Config-4 you have it set to load the Nvidia driver. As long as the old kernel is still loading the Nvidia driver, you can always go back. This whole kernel business *is* kinda unnerving, no? ;-) Yes, precisely my thoughts :) Anyhow, thank you Joe for your help so far. I did as you said. The good news is that the old kernel still boots properly (as you see, I am still writing to you...) The bad news is that the new one still won't start X. # rpm -qa | grep NVIDIA NVIDIA_GLX-4321-3mdk NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-4496-2.2.92mdk NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.21.0.13mdk-4321-3mdk Both NVIDIA_kernel are installed. # cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Section Device Identifier device1 VendorName nVidia Corporation BoardName NVIDIA GeForce2 DDR (generic) Driver nvidia Option DPMS EndSection As I just wrote to John: X doesn't start with the new kernel. Do the two kernel use the same /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file? Maybe they can use different ones, but I don't see why the settings should be any different: we are dealing with the same graphic card and monitor. I will buy at least one new computer sometimes next year, for my business. I will make some research about alternative video cards which won't require binary only drivers... thanks, Anguo. -- In the news: Namibia wisely spurns M$ 'gift' in favor of Linux. An educationnal charity shows Microsoft's philanthropy for what it really is in an open letter that says it all. Read more: http://www.schoolnet.na/news/stories/msft2002.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
XF86Config-4 and nvidia drivers Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
On Thursday 18 Dec 2003 6:22 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Pound to a penny you forgot to modify your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Section Device Identifier device1 VendorName nVidia Corporation BoardName NVIDIA GeForce3 (generic) Driver nv --- change to this !!! Option DPMS EndSection Hello John, Here is the relevant section in mine: Section Device Identifier device1 VendorName nVidia Corporation BoardName NVIDIA GeForce2 DDR (generic) Driver nvidia Option DPMS EndSection you mean I should change Driver nvidia to Driver nv??? What's the difference? There are two nvidia driver versions , the rpm and the tar ball, the rpm gives you the proprietry nvidia boot splash, the tar ball doesn't, both need the above modification, or did when I last did it in M9.1. Either way , I think the rpm installs on desktop is OK in which case do the text modification there, but the tar ball has to be out of X windows at a root consul, and you will need to do the edit form there, something like MC, or if you can fathom it vi. I installed the rpm: NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-4496-2.2.92mdk.i586.rpm I now have two kernels (the one that comes with 9.1 and the latest one for 9.2) and the two corresponding nvidia-kernel drivers. X doesn't start with the new kernel. Do the two kernel use the same /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file? Maybe they can use different ones, but I don't see why the settings should be anydifferent: we are dealing with the same graphic card and monitor. Thanks, Augustin -- In the news: What Gates' attacks on the GPL really mean Bill Gates has recently been intensifying his attacks on the GNU Public Licence. At the invitation of ZDNet UK, Richard Stallman defends his philosophy and extracts the underlying message in Gates' latest polemic Read more: http://comment.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t479-s2117582,00.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: XF86Config-4 and nvidia drivers Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
Anguo wrote: On Thursday 18 Dec 2003 6:22 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Pound to a penny you forgot to modify your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Section Device Identifier device1 VendorName nVidia Corporation BoardName NVIDIA GeForce3 (generic) Driver nv --- change to this !!! Option DPMS EndSection Hello John, Here is the relevant section in mine: Section Device Identifier device1 VendorName nVidia Corporation BoardName NVIDIA GeForce2 DDR (generic) Driver nvidia Option DPMS EndSection you mean I should change Driver nvidia to Driver nv??? What's the difference? That's right There are two nvidia driver versions , the rpm and the tar ball, the rpm gives you the proprietry nvidia boot splash, the tar ball doesn't, both need the above modification, or did when I last did it in M9.1. Either way , I think the rpm installs on desktop is OK in which case do the text modification there, but the tar ball has to be out of X windows at a root consul, and you will need to do the edit form there, something like MC, or if you can fathom it vi. I installed the rpm: NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-4496-2.2.92mdk.i586.rpm I now have two kernels (the one that comes with 9.1 and the latest one for 9.2) and the two corresponding nvidia-kernel drivers. X doesn't start with the new kernel. Do the two kernel use the same /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file? Maybe they can use different ones, but I don't see why the settings should be anydifferent: we are dealing with the same graphic card and monitor. Thanks, Augustin John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: XF86Config-4 and nvidia drivers Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
On Thursday 18 December 2003 16:31, John Richard Smith wrote: Here is the relevant section in mine: Section Device Identifier device1 VendorName nVidia Corporation BoardName NVIDIA GeForce2 DDR (generic) Driver nvidia Option DPMS EndSection you mean I should change Driver nvidia to Driver nv??? What's the difference? That's right Actually it's not right (but not wrong, either) nv is the generic nvidia- driver that comes with XFree86. nvidia is the proprietary driver delivered by Nvidia themselves and uses the kernel module. nv works quite well but doesn't offer hardware acceleration. If the existing XFRee86Config-4 says nvidia and you've got X going, means you installed the kernel-drivers and are using them. If it doesn't work you can always use nv which doesn't require extra drivers. Good luck, HarM -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: XF86Config-4 and nvidia drivers Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
On Friday 19 Dec 2003 1:05 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Thursday 18 December 2003 16:31, John Richard Smith wrote: Here is the relevant section in mine: Section Device Identifier device1 VendorName nVidia Corporation BoardName NVIDIA GeForce2 DDR (generic) Driver nvidia Option DPMS EndSection you mean I should change Driver nvidia to Driver nv??? What's the difference? That's right Actually it's not right (but not wrong, either) nv is the generic nvidia- driver that comes with XFree86. nvidia is the proprietary driver delivered by Nvidia themselves and uses the kernel module. nv works quite well but doesn't offer hardware acceleration. If the existing XFRee86Config-4 says nvidia and you've got X going, means you installed the kernel-drivers and are using them. If it doesn't work you can always use nv which doesn't require extra drivers. Good luck, HarM Yes, I just tried and effectively, with nv, X now starts with both kernel images but tuxracer and other 3D apps won't run anymore. So, now, I have the choice: either an updated kernel, or 3D games :-| augustin -- Quote of the day: Speak your mind. Don't back down. IBM advertising about Linux Read more: http://www-3.ibm.com/e-business/doc/content/lp/prodigy.html http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=164838 http://www.adage.com/news.cms?newsId=38634 http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/04/1821217 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: XF86Config-4 and nvidia drivers Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Thursday 18 December 2003 16:31, John Richard Smith wrote: Here is the relevant section in mine: Section Device Identifier device1 VendorName nVidia Corporation BoardName NVIDIA GeForce2 DDR (generic) Driver nvidia Option DPMS EndSection you mean I should change Driver nvidia to Driver nv??? What's the difference? That's right Actually it's not right (but not wrong, either) nv is the generic nvidia- driver that comes with XFree86. nvidia is the proprietary driver delivered by Nvidia themselves and uses the kernel module. nv works quite well but doesn't offer hardware acceleration. If the existing XFRee86Config-4 says nvidia and you've got X going, means you installed the kernel-drivers and are using them. If it doesn't work you can always use nv which doesn't require extra drivers. Good luck, HarM I didn't know that HarM, So how do you get the hardware acceleration going then, because it just nvidia nothing works ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: XF86Config-4 and nvidia drivers Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
Title: RE: XF86Config-4 and nvidia drivers Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of H.J.Bathoorn Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: XF86Config-4 and nvidia drivers Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way... On Thursday 18 December 2003 16:31, John Richard Smith wrote: Here is the relevant section in mine: Section Device Identifier device1 VendorName nVidia Corporation BoardName NVIDIA GeForce2 DDR (generic) Driver nvidia Option DPMS EndSection you mean I should change Driver nvidia to Driver nv??? What's the difference? That's right Actually it's not right (but not wrong, either) nv is the generic nvidia- driver that comes with XFree86. nvidia is the proprietary driver delivered by Nvidia themselves and uses the kernel module. nv works quite well but doesn't offer hardware acceleration. If the existing XFRee86Config-4 says nvidia and you've got X going, means you installed the kernel-drivers and are using them. If it doesn't work you can always use nv which doesn't require extra drivers. Good luck, HarM -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org With the proprietary driver you also need Load glx in the section that has all the Load script. HTH
Re: XF86Config-4 and nvidia drivers Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:11:28 +0100 H.J.Bathoorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you have the choice of googling around, asking questions here, maybe downloading more stuff from nvidia going over it all again, getting your 3D going and learning a lot..or: You leave it as it is, happy with the fact that the nv driver is GPL and X works none the less and get on with some serious work;) Can you not have two sets of drivers installed, kernel *and* GLX, as long as they are installed into seperate kernels? Seems to me, as I indicated below, he should be able to install both kernel and GLX drivers and have 3D acceleration in both kernels... It makes sense logically anyway. This sounds like a job for...TOM BRINKMAN! ;-) -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ There are three side effects of acid: enhanced long-term memory, decreased short-term memory, and I forget the third.-- Timothy Leary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: XF86Config-4 and nvidia drivers Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
robin wrote: Anguo wrote: On Thursday 18 Dec 2003 6:22 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Pound to a penny you forgot to modify your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Section Device Identifier device1 VendorName nVidia Corporation BoardName NVIDIA GeForce3 (generic) Driver nv --- change to this !!!Option DPMS EndSection Hello John, Here is the relevant section in mine: Section Device Identifier device1 VendorName nVidia Corporation BoardName NVIDIA GeForce2 DDR (generic) Driver nvidia Option DPMS EndSection you mean I should change Driver nvidia to Driver nv??? What's the difference? nv is the driver that comes with XFree86; nvidia is the one from nvidia. Sir Robin Really, how odd, nv is the one that provides tv out on my equipement, nvidia does not !! XFree86 provides no tv-out John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: XF86Config-4 and nvidia drivers Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Thursday 18 December 2003 17:38, John Richard Smith wrote: I didn't know that HarM, So how do you get the hardware acceleration going then, because if just nvidia nothing works ? John There's only one prerequisite: The binary nvidia-drivers for the kernel and the NVIDIA-GLX rpm. Personally I had no success with either club rpms or the latest nvidia-installer. In the past the geforce2 card worked fine with modules I'd compiled from the nvidia site. I ditched the card for a Hercules 3DProphet card, though. See the twiki on comments about that one, I added some stuff. BTW does TV-out work on the nv driver?? It most certainly does, and it does not with nvidia That is what threw me, that is true of both rpm/tar ball nividia drivers too. So I'm astounded that you can get any nividia driver to work with nvidia instead of nv John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: XF86Config-4 and nvidia drivers Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:19:27 + John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I'm astounded that you can get any nividia driver to work with nvidia instead of nv Strange, I must be lucky, I've never had one bit of trouble with the Nvidia drivers, other than never being able to get TV-out to work. I'll hafta try starting X with the nv driver and see if I can get that goin', that would be sweet. What do you use for TV out, ie. what software? NVTV? -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush Administration again, all right?-- Bill O'Reilly, March 18, 2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: XF86Config-4 and nvidia drivers Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
JoeHill wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:19:27 + John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I'm astounded that you can get any nividia driver to work with nvidia instead of nv Strange, I must be lucky, I've never had one bit of trouble with the Nvidia drivers, other than never being able to get TV-out to work. I'll hafta try starting X with the nv driver and see if I can get that goin', that would be sweet. What do you use for TV out, ie. what software? NVTV? Yep , that's the kiddie John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
rpm -qil NVIDIA... Re: XF86Config-4 and nvidia drivers (Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
On Friday 19 Dec 2003 2:18 am, Pablo Vitoria wrote: Can you send the output of: rpm -qil NVIDIA_GLX-4321-3mdk rpm -qil NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-4496-2.2.92mdk rpm -qil NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.21.0.13mdk-4321-3mdk Hello Pablo and everybody, Thanks to all who responded in this thread (Pablo, Joe, HarM, Adolfo, Robin, John, Dennis...) It's getting confuser and confuser... so beside the new kernel and the new nvidia driver, it seems that I also need the corresponding new nvidia-glx driver, which I just found in the club repository... I will install it and see how it goes (i may not have time to do so today though: my week end is over and I'm back to work for the next six days). As always, my primary concern is to be left with a broken box I cannot log into (X, that is). I think I have learned enough in this thread to manage should a problem arise. I'll look at the glx driver issue, but meanwhile, here is the output. If I am missing something, or should pay attention to something specific, your comments are appreciated. $ rpm -qil NVIDIA_GLX-4321-3mdk Name: NVIDIA_GLX Relocations: /usr Version : 4321 Vendor: MandrakeSoft Release : 3mdk Build Date: Sat 15 Mar 2003 02:49:37 AM CST Install Date: Sun 11 May 2003 06:30:36 PM CST Build Host: localhost Group : System/Kernel and hardwareSource RPM: NVIDIA-4321-3mdk.src.rpm Size: 12624948 License: NVIDIA Corp. 2000 Signature : DSA/SHA1, Sat 15 Mar 2003 03:16:50 AM CST, Key ID e7898ae070771ff3 Packager: Mandrake Linux Team http://www.mandrakeexpert.com Summary : NVIDIA module for XFree86 4.0 X server and OpenGL libraries Description : NVIDIA XFree86 4.0 server module and OpenGL 1.2 libraries for RIVA TNT/TNT2 and GeForce/Quadro based video cards. Older RIVA 128 based video cards are supported by the server module shipping with XFree86 4.0, nv_drv.o. You should install this package if you have one of the newer cards. You must also install the NVIDIA_kernel module if you want to utilize these drivers. /usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA.a /usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.4321 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so.1.0.4321 /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/tls/libglx.so /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/tls/libglx.so.1.0.4321 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.4321 /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1.0.4321 /usr/lib/tls/libGL.so.1.0.4321 /usr/lib/tls/libGLcore.so.1.0.4321 $ rpm -qil NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-4496-2.2.92mdk Name: NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.22.21mdk Relocations: /usr Version : 4496 Vendor: MandrakeSoft Release : 2.2.92mdk Build Date: Sat 25 Oct 2003 03:12:09 PM CST Install Date: Thu 18 Dec 2003 10:58:42 PM CST Build Host: updates.mandrakesoft.com Group : System/Kernel and hardwareSource RPM: NVIDIA-4496-2.2.92mdk.src.rpm Size: 797678 License: NVIDIA Corp. 2000 Signature : DSA/SHA1, Sat 25 Oct 2003 03:14:39 PM CST, Key ID 9aa8d0d022458a98 Packager: Mandrake Linux Team http://www.mandrakeexpert.com Summary : NVIDIA kernel module for NVIDIA Architecture support. Description : NVIDIA Architecture support for Linux kernel 2.4.22.21mdk /lib/modules/2.4.22-21mdk/kernel/drivers/char/nvidia.o.gz /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-4496 /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-4496/LICENSE /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-4496/README $ rpm -qil NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.21.0.13mdk-4321-3mdk Name: NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.21.0.13mdk Relocations: /usr Version : 4321 Vendor: MandrakeSoft Release : 3mdk Build Date: Sat 15 Mar 2003 02:49:37 AM CST Install Date: Sun 11 May 2003 06:30:30 PM CST Build Host: localhost Group : System/Kernel and hardwareSource RPM: NVIDIA-4321-3mdk.src.rpm Size: 740992 License: NVIDIA Corp. 2000 Signature : DSA/SHA1, Sat 15 Mar 2003 03:16:50 AM CST, Key ID e7898ae070771ff3 Packager: Mandrake Linux Team http://www.mandrakeexpert.com Summary : NVIDIA kernel module for NVIDIA Architecture support. Description : NVIDIA Architecture support for Linux kernel 2.4.21.0.13mdk /lib/modules/2.4.21-0.13mdk/kernel/drivers/char/NVdriver.o.gz /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.21.0.13mdk-4321 /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.21.0.13mdk-4321/README Thanks to all, augustin -- Light tomorrow with today! --Elizabeth Barrett Browning Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
startx Re: init 3 Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
On Friday 19 Dec 2003 2:42 am, robin wrote: When I do so, Linux starts in text mode but Mandrake always end up by starting X anyway without me doing anything. ??? Look in the Mandrake Control Center - Hardware - XFdrake - Options. You probably have it set to start X automatically, so click No. Hello Sir Robin, yes, that's it. Once I have booted in console mode, how do I start KDE again? I see the following two commands: startkde startx Should I do startx before startkde? Augustin -- Definition: SCOurce code: invisible, yet high value code that does not exist in any physical form. Beyond quantum code. by EmbeddedJanitor http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=67171cid=6166537 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: XF86Config-4 and nvidia drivers (Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
On Friday 19 Dec 2003 4:30 am, JoeHill wrote: Eventually, what you might want to do, once the new kernel has proven itself stable and solid, is *uninstall* the 4321 drivers and install the 4496 GLX binary. ok, I will try this. thanks Joe, Augustin -- Linux. The Future is Open. Linux is like nothing else in the history of computing-the most unique innovation operating systems have ever seen. It's unprecedented integration. It's an open source operating system. Owned by no single company or private enterprise. Constantly improved by thousands of programmers. And it's getting bigger. Last year, according to the IDC, shipments of servers running Linux increased by 22.8%. IBM about Linux http://www-3.ibm.com/e-business/doc/content/lp/prodigy.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: startx Re: init 3 Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 12:55:21PM +0800, Anguo wrote: yes, that's it. Once I have booted in console mode, how do I start KDE again? I see the following two commands: startkde startx Should I do startx before startkde? If you haven't messed with your ~/.xsession (and/or ~/.xinitrc) files then I believe startx starts KDE anyway, since KDE is the default environment in drake. Todd -- Zinn-Chomsky 2004 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: startx Re: init 3 Re: [newbie] upgrading nvidia kernel in a safe way...
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:55:21 +0800 Anguo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should I do startx before startkde? actually, you can just type kde. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ The United States Drug Enforcement Agency estimates pot smuggling from the western province of British Columbia alone is worth more than $1 billion a year. This is *very* bad, because Bush and his pals are not seeing one dime out of it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] upgrading glibc? possible?
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:13:50 +0700 Fajar Priyanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Can I upgrade glibc using rpm Uvh? Or what is the proper way? IIRC, glibc is *it*. Your whole system is built based on that version of glibc, so changing it would break your system, not just a few packages, but the whole enchilada. -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ I gained nothing at all from Supreme Enlightenment, and for that very reason it is called Supreme Enlightenment. -- Gotama Buddha Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading KDE
SNIP Looking at the mirrors I see that libqt3-devel-3.2.2-5mdk is on Cooker and was only put there on 7th November So you have installed a package for Mandrake 10.0 on a 9.1 system. Result - -Dependency Hell- derek I know what you mean about dependency hell, perhaps I'll try that other QT3 rpm file. It's worth a shot. It is a lesson I learned myself the hard way :-( Mixing packages from different releases is a seriously bad idea. Particularly with libraries on which a whole lot of other packages depend. In order to resolve the dependencies you end up having to install a gazillion packages. The advice I always give on this (newbie) list is :- 1/ Always use a urpmi source to get packages, where possible. 2/ If the package you need is not on a urpmi enabled source then download it and use urpmi or gurpmi to install it. urpmi/gurpmi will pull in any required dependencies. 3/ If the package you want is not available on any source for your release, but is available in Cooker, then rebuild the cooker .src.rpm That ensures it will be built using the libraries on your system. 4/ If the package is not in Cooker, then compile from .tar.gz source using 'checkinstall' to turn the compiled code into an RPM. Using checkinstall ensures that the RPM database is aware of all the installed libraries, and also makes it easier to uninstall an app. 5/ Avoid the temptation to install an rpm built for a different distro (especially not libraries) 6/ Do not use --force or --no-deps to make an package install. If a package will not install there is usually a good reason. Forcing packages can result in really strange instabilities. Since I started following these rules my system has been 100% rock solid. For most newbies Step 1 is all they will need. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading KDE
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 10:45 am, Derek Jennings wrote: It is a lesson I learned myself the hard way :-( Mixing packages from different releases is a seriously bad idea. Particularly with libraries on which a whole lot of other packages depend. In order to resolve the dependencies you end up having to install a gazillion packages. The advice I always give on this (newbie) list is :- 1/ Always use a urpmi source to get packages, where possible. 2/ If the package you need is not on a urpmi enabled source then download it and use urpmi or gurpmi to install it. urpmi/gurpmi will pull in any required dependencies. 3/ If the package you want is not available on any source for your release, but is available in Cooker, then rebuild the cooker .src.rpm That ensures it will be built using the libraries on your system. 4/ If the package is not in Cooker, then compile from .tar.gz source using 'checkinstall' to turn the compiled code into an RPM. Using checkinstall ensures that the RPM database is aware of all the installed libraries, and also makes it easier to uninstall an app. 5/ Avoid the temptation to install an rpm built for a different distro (especially not libraries) 6/ Do not use --force or --no-deps to make an package install. If a package will not install there is usually a good reason. Forcing packages can result in really strange instabilities. Since I started following these rules my system has been 100% rock solid. For most newbies Step 1 is all they will need. derek Well I do have some good news. I successfully installed KDE 3.1.4 ... Texstar Edition. I didn't expect that little addon or some of the new wierd icons, but it's still good. I found most of my remaining dependencies at Texstar's site and got it working. Thanks for the help. There is only one problem though... now Timidity Synth won't load. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] upgrading glibc? possible?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear all, When I tried to install esmtp4.1.1, it asked for a newer glibc. Mine is glibc-devel-2.2.5-16mdk and glibc-2.2.5-16mdk on mdk9.0 It asked for glibc-2.3.1-10mdk.i586.rpm Can I upgrade glibc using rpm Uvh? Or what is the proper way? Thanks. - -- Fajar http://linux.arinet.org Linux mdk91.sistek.kom 2.4.21-0.13mdk GNU/Linux 10:11:20 up 2:27, 11 users, load average: 4.09, 1.25, 0.50 Quote of the day: Windows 99 has been released! (PC Magazine, April 2013) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/saVyMai9kCFqACoRAhtRAJ47LdpZDBcD9TtSPG+JO4t2emvO8gCg02Ks 5dApZ3gNWi/LkStHyqdRr9g= =+VQV -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] upgrading glibc? possible?
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 09:13 pm, Fajar Priyanto wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear all, When I tried to install esmtp4.1.1, it asked for a newer glibc. Mine is glibc-devel-2.2.5-16mdk and glibc-2.2.5-16mdk on mdk9.0 It asked for glibc-2.3.1-10mdk.i586.rpm Can I upgrade glibc using rpm Uvh? Or what is the proper way? Thanks. - -- Fajar http://linux.arinet.org Linux mdk91.sistek.kom 2.4.21-0.13mdk GNU/Linux 10:11:20 up 2:27, 11 users, load average: 4.09, 1.25, 0.50 Quote of the day: Windows 99 has been released! (PC Magazine, April 2013) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/saVyMai9kCFqACoRAhtRAJ47LdpZDBcD9TtSPG+JO4t2emvO8gCg02Ks 5dApZ3gNWi/LkStHyqdRr9g= =+VQV -END PGP SIGNATURE- You can try the rpm -Uvh command, but the problem is if it upgrades your glibc it may break the other packages that use the old glibc libraries. You would be better off trying urpmi glibc and see what dependencies pop up. It may be a more knowledgeable newbie than I can enlighten further. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading KDE
On Sunday 09 November 2003 8:20 pm, Derek Jennings wrote: On Sunday 09 Nov 2003 11:57 pm, Scott Naylor wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 4:32 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 09:23 am, Scott Naylor wrote: Just a small question, what would be the easiest way to upgrade KDE 3.1 to its newest release in Mandrake 9.1? I tried a couple of things before, but it didn't go so well. Get 3.1.4 in Mandrake RPMS from Texstar's 91 repository. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/mandrake /9 .1 / Otherwise, installing 9.2 will get you 3.1.3+ AHHH!! So many DEPENDENCIES. Is there any program out there that will deal with all these dependencies or do I have to hunt down and download EVERY SINGLE ONE?! If there is a program please tell me where I could find it. Yes there is. It is called urpmi and it is posted about almost every day! For the third time today. Go to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php Define an online source for Texstar and install KDE using rpmdrake. All the dependencies will be downloaded and installed automatically. Do not worry about the messages about bad signatures. It just means you have not installed Texstar signature key. derek Now as for that program here's what I did [EMAIL PROTECTED] scott]# urpmi.addmedia plf ftp://mandrake-forum.org/pub/PLF/mandra ke/9.1 with hdlist.cz too many mount points for removable medium Installation CD 1 (x86) (cdrom1) taking removable device as /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd,/dev/scd0 using different removable device [/dev/scd0] for Installation CD 1 (x86) (cdrom 1) too many mount points for removable medium Installation CD 2 (x86) (cdrom2) taking removable device as /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd,/dev/scd0 using different removable device [/dev/scd0] for Installation CD 2 (x86) (cdrom 2) too many mount points for removable medium International CD (x86) (cdrom3) taking removable device as /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd,/dev/scd0 using different removable device [/dev/scd0] for International CD (x86) (cdrom3 ) added medium plf examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 1 (x86 ) (cdrom1).cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 2 (x86 ) (cdrom2).cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.International CD (x86) (cdrom3).cz] retrieving description file of plf... retrieving source hdlist (or synthesis) of plf... ftp://mandrake-forum.org/pub/PLF/mandrake/9.1/hdlist.cz ...retrieving done examining MD5SUM file examining hdlist file [/var/cache/urpmi/partial/hdlist.plf.cz] writing list file for medium plf built hdlist synthesis file for medium plf found 108 headers in cache removing 108 obsolete headers in cache write config file [/etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg] [EMAIL PROTECTED] scott]# urpmi.addmedia main ftp://ftp.rutgers.edu/pub/mandrake/Ma ndrake/9.1/i586/Mandrake/RPMS with ../base/hdlist.cz too many mount points for removable medium Installation CD 1 (x86) (cdrom1) taking removable device as /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd,/dev/scd0 too many mount points for removable medium Installation CD 2 (x86) (cdrom2) taking removable device as /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd,/dev/scd0 too many mount points for removable medium International CD (x86) (cdrom3) taking removable device as /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd,/dev/scd0 added medium main examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 1 (x86 ) (cdrom1).cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 2 (x86 ) (cdrom2).cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.International CD (x86) (cdrom3).cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.plf.cz] retrieving description file of main... retrieving source hdlist (or synthesis) of main... ftp://ftp.rutgers.edu/pub/mandrake/Mandrake/9.1/i586/Mandrake/base/hdlist.cz ...retrieving done examining hdlist file [/var/cache/urpmi/partial/hdlist.main.cz] performing second pass to compute dependencies examining hdlist file [/var/lib/urpmi/hdlist.Installation CD 1 (x86) (cdrom1).cz ] built hdlist synthesis file for medium Installation CD 1 (x86) (cdrom1) examining hdlist file [/var/lib/urpmi/hdlist.Installation CD 2 (x86) (cdrom2).cz ] built hdlist synthesis file for medium Installation CD 2 (x86) (cdrom2) examining hdlist file [/var/lib/urpmi/hdlist.International CD (x86) (cdrom3).cz] built hdlist synthesis file for medium International CD (x86) (cdrom3) examining hdlist file [/var/lib/urpmi/hdlist.plf.cz] built hdlist synthesis file for medium plf examining hdlist file [/var/lib/urpmi/hdlist.main.cz] built hdlist synthesis file for medium main found 0 headers in cache removing 0 obsolete headers in cache write config file [/etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg] [EMAIL PROTECTED] scott]# urpmi.addmedia contrib ftp://ftp.rutgers.edu/pub/mandrake
Re: [newbie] Upgrading KDE
OK so it looks like your urpmi.addmedia commands worked. Only point is that the definition for your CD sources seems to be screwed up. Possibly because you changed your CD-ROM to be ide-scsi You can correct that using the Software Sources GUI in Mandrake control centre. 2nd point. If you want to install libqt3-devel the command to use is :- urpmi libqt3-devel 3rd point You do not actually need libqt3-devel unless you intend to compile QT/KDE applications 4th point You are getting those errors with libqt3-devel because it looks like you have already installed a later version of libqt than is available on any of the urpmi mirrors you have defined. The latest version of libqt3 on those mirrors is libqt3-devel-3.1.2-9.2tex.i586.rpm on Texstar, yet you apparently already have libqt3-devel-3.2.2-5mdk installed. Consequently urpmi is unable to resolve the dependency. Looking at the mirrors I see that libqt3-devel-3.2.2-5mdk is on Cooker and was only put there on 7th November So you have installed a package for Mandrake 10.0 on a 9.1 system. Result - -Dependency Hell- derek I know what you mean about dependency hell, perhaps I'll try that other QT3 rpm file. It's worth a shot. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Upgrading KDE
Just a small question, what would be the easiest way to upgrade KDE 3.1 to its newest release in Mandrake 9.1? I tried a couple of things before, but it didn't go so well. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading KDE
On Sunday 09 November 2003 09:23 am, Scott Naylor wrote: Just a small question, what would be the easiest way to upgrade KDE 3.1 to its newest release in Mandrake 9.1? I tried a couple of things before, but it didn't go so well. Get 3.1.4 in Mandrake RPMS from Texstar's 91 repository. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/mandrake/9.1/ Otherwise, installing 9.2 will get you 3.1.3+ -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading KDE
On Sunday 09 November 2003 4:32 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 09:23 am, Scott Naylor wrote: Just a small question, what would be the easiest way to upgrade KDE 3.1 to its newest release in Mandrake 9.1? I tried a couple of things before, but it didn't go so well. Get 3.1.4 in Mandrake RPMS from Texstar's 91 repository. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/mandrake/9.1 / Otherwise, installing 9.2 will get you 3.1.3+ AHHH!! So many DEPENDENCIES. Is there any program out there that will deal with all these dependencies or do I have to hunt down and download EVERY SINGLE ONE?! If there is a program please tell me where I could find it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading KDE
On Sunday 09 Nov 2003 11:57 pm, Scott Naylor wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 4:32 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 09:23 am, Scott Naylor wrote: Just a small question, what would be the easiest way to upgrade KDE 3.1 to its newest release in Mandrake 9.1? I tried a couple of things before, but it didn't go so well. Get 3.1.4 in Mandrake RPMS from Texstar's 91 repository. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/mandrake/9 .1 / Otherwise, installing 9.2 will get you 3.1.3+ AHHH!! So many DEPENDENCIES. Is there any program out there that will deal with all these dependencies or do I have to hunt down and download EVERY SINGLE ONE?! If there is a program please tell me where I could find it. Yes there is. It is called urpmi and it is posted about almost every day! For the third time today. Go to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php Define an online source for Texstar and install KDE using rpmdrake. All the dependencies will be downloaded and installed automatically. Do not worry about the messages about bad signatures. It just means you have not installed Texstar signature key. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading KDE
On Monday 10 November 2003 12:20 am, Derek Jennings wrote: snip Yes there is. It is called urpmi and it is posted about almost every day! For the third time today. Go to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php Define an online source for Texstar and install KDE using rpmdrake. All the dependencies will be downloaded and installed automatically. Do not worry about the messages about bad signatures. It just means you have not installed Texstar signature key. derek /snip Derek, I adore you. This list would be nothing without your patience. Kaj Haulrich. -- *This mail was sent from a 100 % Microsoft free computer* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading KDE
On Sunday 09 November 2003 08:43 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Monday 10 November 2003 12:20 am, Derek Jennings wrote: snip Yes there is. It is called urpmi and it is posted about almost every day! For the third time today. Go to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php Define an online source for Texstar and install KDE using rpmdrake. All the dependencies will be downloaded and installed automatically. Do not worry about the messages about bad signatures. It just means you have not installed Texstar signature key. derek /snip Derek, I adore you. This list would be nothing without your patience. Kaj Haulrich. http://www.zebulon.org.uk has a how-to on setting up rpmdrake. Info. was posted on forum and was very helpful for newbie me. John B Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] upgrading on twiki
Recently there was a flurry on expert on how to upgrade, so i compiled it and put it here: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/UrpmiUpgrade If i got anything wrong, please let me know or fix it. (i plan to use the page when i get around to upgrading!) eric -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading to 9.2?
On Friday 03 Oct 2003 3:25 am, Teilhard Knight wrote: I recently installed version 9.1 both in a desktop computer and in my laptop. Do you think it is all right to just erase and install 9.2 in both machines? I am specially concerned with my wireless access to Internet. Are there any improvement for that? Derek: I am sorry I have had a lot of work, and I haven't been able to sit and do any more for setting my network. I will have some time tomorrow. Teilhard. Wireless networking is much the same in 9.2 as in 9.1 Orinoco based cards should work perfectly. It is just a matter of putting the correct parameters in. There was an issue I reported in RC2 which stopped orinoco cards starting, but I think it got fixed. I have not tried the atmelwlandriver in 9.2, but the project has not released any new version for some time so I do not expect much improvement. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Upgrading to 9.2?
I recently installed version 9.1 both in a desktop computer and in my laptop. Do you think it is all right to just erase and install 9.2 in both machines? I am specially concerned with my wireless access to Internet. Are there any improvement for that? Derek: I am sorry I have had a lot of work, and I haven't been able to sit and do any more for setting my network. I will have some time tomorrow. Teilhard. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Upgrading KDE 3.0.5a to 3.1
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 18:14, Boulytchev, Vasiliy wrote: Ladies and Gents, I have some mp3s I need to burn to audio cds. Which package is recommended? Grip use lame as encoder Vasiliy Boulytchev Colorado Information Technologies, Inc. http://www.coinfotech.com __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading glibc on mdk8.1? Possible?
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:21:59 -0400 Eric Caron [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: What is the limit to the upgrade process before you have to upgrade to a newer distro? Your whole system is built on that version of glibc. AFAIK, there is no way to upgrade glibc without upgrading every single package on your system, hence the term glibc barrier. Ya, you need to upgrade. -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Nothing is as simple as it seems at first Or as hopeless as it seems in the middle Or as finished as it seems in the end. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Upgrading glibc on mdk8.1? Possible?
Hi everybody, Many times, when I want to install new apps (whether in rpm format or by building from source), I need a newer version of glibc. For example: error: failed dependencies: libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3) Is there a way to install these libraries without breaking the system? I don't want to upgrade the whole distro right now because to system is basically a box without a monitor, keyboard or mouse (only way to interact is through ssh and vnc), but I'd like to have more recent versions of some applications. What is the limit to the upgrade process before you have to upgrade to a newer distro? -- Éric Caron eric.caron(at)videotron.ca Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] upgrading to XFree86 4.3.0
Hi, I am looking to upgrade to 4.3.0 on my Dell laptop running LM9. I downloaded all the rpms from the cooker but I'm not sure if it will install correctly on Mandrake 9. The reason for this is that I upgraded to a M9 Radeon card and 4.2.0 doesn't have support for it. Apparently drivers are built into 4.3.0 My question to the video pro's on the list Can I upgrade my XFree86 4.2.0 to XFree86 4.3.0 using only the rpms from the cooker? If so, is there a proper order to install it or should I just use --force? Thanks, Bill W. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] upgrading to XFree86 4.3.0
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 07:50 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am looking to upgrade to 4.3.0 on my Dell laptop running LM9. I downloaded all the rpms from the cooker but I'm not sure if it will install correctly on Mandrake 9. The reason for this is that I upgraded to a M9 Radeon card and 4.2.0 doesn't have support for it. Apparently drivers are built into 4.3.0 My question to the video pro's on the list Can I upgrade my XFree86 4.2.0 to XFree86 4.3.0 using only the rpms from the cooker? No, thew cooker rpms are built upon many libraries that do not exist on your 9.0 system It is certainly guaranteed to break something If so, is there a proper order to install it or should I just use --force? I wouldn't do it, too much changed betwwen 4.3 and 4.3, not the least of which is the inclusion of fontconfig in 4.3. If you really want to upgrade to 4.3, the way to go about it is to get the 4.3 src.spm from cooker and rebuild it on your 9.0 box, thus compiling it against the libraries that do exist on your system. Of course, the sane way to get XFree 4.3 is to install 9.1 instead. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] upgrading from 9.0 to 9.1
On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 16:05, Derek Jennings wrote: Which is the exact way to upgrade from 9.0 to 9.1? where do I read more about upgrading? is there any way I can know that mandrake is actually upgrading my system instead of installing it clean. During the install, I think it is after you have set up your mouse a screen appears which asks if you are upgrading or installing. In any case nothing is written to your hard drive until the partition section. thanks, I've missed the question box 2 times, when I first did try to install 9.1 thanks, Simone. -- Simone Cortesi http://cortesi.com/ blog * photos * PHP manual in italian Did I help you? Consider a gift: http://cortesi.com/wishlist.php Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] upgrading from 9.0 to 9.1
Hi, this is my first try to upgrade mandrake from a previous installation, at the moment i'm running 9.0, I already have the 3 ISOs of 9.1. My filesystem is as follows: [EMAIL PROTECTED] simone]$ df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda5 37233384 8610688 26731308 25% / /dev/hdc1 39076544 22893632 16182912 59% /mnt/win_c This morning I did try to upgrade this installation, during setup I did not find any reference to the fact that mandrake was upgrading the system instead of installing it new. It just seemed like a normal installation to a formatted hard disk. fearing the unknown I did abort the installation before writing anything to disk, so now I'm safely on my old 9.0. Which is the exact way to upgrade from 9.0 to 9.1? where do I read more about upgrading? is there any way I can know that mandrake is actually upgrading my system instead of installing it clean. Thanks, Simone. -- Simone Cortesi http://cortesi.com/ blog * photos * PHP manual in italian Did I help you? Consider a gift: http://cortesi.com/wishlist.php Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] upgrading from 9.0 to 9.1
On Friday 28 Mar 2003 12:54 pm, Simone Cortesi wrote: Hi, this is my first try to upgrade mandrake from a previous installation, at the moment i'm running 9.0, I already have the 3 ISOs of 9.1. My filesystem is as follows: [EMAIL PROTECTED] simone]$ df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda5 37233384 8610688 26731308 25% / /dev/hdc1 39076544 22893632 16182912 59% /mnt/win_c This morning I did try to upgrade this installation, during setup I did not find any reference to the fact that mandrake was upgrading the system instead of installing it new. It just seemed like a normal installation to a formatted hard disk. fearing the unknown I did abort the installation before writing anything to disk, so now I'm safely on my old 9.0. Which is the exact way to upgrade from 9.0 to 9.1? where do I read more about upgrading? is there any way I can know that mandrake is actually upgrading my system instead of installing it clean. Thanks, Simone. During the install, I think it is after you have set up your mouse a screen appears which asks if you are upgrading or installing. In any case nothing is written to your hard drive until the partition section. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] upgrading from 9.0 to 9.1
On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:05:49 + Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During the install, I think it is after you have set up your mouse a screen appears which asks if you are upgrading or installing. In any case nothing is written to your hard drive until the partition section. BE VERY CAREFUL HERE. In the default normal mode the 9.1 installation is nearly totally automatic. If it finds existing readable linux partitions it will ask if this is upgrade/new install, if not it will assume new install and proceed accordingly. Charles -- Seize the day, put no trust in the morrow! -- Quintus Horatius Flaccus (Horace) - Mandrake Linux 9.1 on PurpleDragon Kernel- 2.4.21-0.13mdk - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Upgrading GTK+
On Sunday 02 Mar 2003 7:14 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: If you uninstall any window widget you will be uninstalling 90% of your GUI. You update a shared library by updating it via rpm's. It will test first if it can be updated and tell you any issues. Use the rpm -Uvh --test rpm-filename.rpm first. Thanks for that. I just got the MDK club password through. I'll go see if they have a more uptodate rpm. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading GTK+
On Sunday 02 Mar 2003 7:13 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote: The 2 are not natively compatible. If you upgrade to GTK2++ then none of your current apps which require GTK++ will work. It was my understanding that GTK++1 and GTK++2 would co-exist OK. ie two shared libraries foo.2.x.x.so and foo.1.x.x.so could both exist, and applications would use the library that they were linked against. My problem, as I understand it, is that I have GTK++2.0.6, and (the latest) Glade requires GTK++ 2.2.4 or better, and that GTK++2.2.4 would support any apps that were linked with GTK++2.x.x. Am I deluded? -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Upgrading GTK+
I was trying to install the latest sources of Glade, and found that it needed a newer version of GTK+ v2 than the mdk9.0 default install provides. This involves compiling glib, atk, pango and gtk+. I can compile and install glib, but one of the others detects that I have two copies of glib installed and refuses to continue. If I try to uninstall GTK+ v2 dpmdrake tells me (understandably) that it will have to uninstall a huge number of applications. I am sure there is a simple way to do this, but in this case learning by trial and error is likely to involve trashing a lot of functionality. So - How do I upgrade a shared library under the noses of dozens of apps that are dependent on it? And what is this likely to do to rpmdrake's database? -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading GTK+
Any comments on my original query? I ask because, on my KMail at least, the thread has been hijacked by another subject... or two. Thanks, and sorry to eat bandwidth it it isn't necessary. On Sunday 02 Mar 2003 10:08 am, Richard Urwin wrote: I was trying to install the latest sources of Glade, and found that it needed a newer version of GTK+ v2 than the mdk9.0 default install provides. This involves compiling glib, atk, pango and gtk+. I can compile and install glib, but one of the others detects that I have two copies of glib installed and refuses to continue. If I try to uninstall GTK+ v2 dpmdrake tells me (understandably) that it will have to uninstall a huge number of applications. I am sure there is a simple way to do this, but in this case learning by trial and error is likely to involve trashing a lot of functionality. So - How do I upgrade a shared library under the noses of dozens of apps that are dependent on it? And what is this likely to do to rpmdrake's database? -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading GTK+
On Sun, 2 Mar 2003 18:30:24 + Richard Urwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any comments on my original query? I ask because, on my KMail at least, the thread has been hijacked by another subject... or two. The 2 are not natively compatible. If you upgrade to GTK2++ then none of your current apps which require GTK++ will work. Charles -- A fool and his honey are soon parted. - Mandrake Linux 9.1 on PurpleDragon Kernel- 2.4.21-0.11mdk - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [newbie] Upgrading GTK+
Any comments on my original query? I ask because, on my KMail at least, the thread has been hijacked by another subject... or two. Thanks, and sorry to eat bandwidth it it isn't necessary. On Sunday 02 Mar 2003 10:08 am, Richard Urwin wrote: I was trying to install the latest sources of Glade, and found that it needed a newer version of GTK+ v2 than the mdk9.0 default install provides. This involves compiling glib, atk, pango and gtk+. I can compile and install glib, but one of the others detects that I have two copies of glib installed and refuses to continue. If I try to uninstall GTK+ v2 dpmdrake tells me (understandably) that it will have to uninstall a huge number of applications. I am sure there is a simple way to do this, but in this case learning by trial and error is likely to involve trashing a lot of functionality. So - How do I upgrade a shared library under the noses of dozens of apps that are dependent on it? And what is this likely to do to rpmdrake's database? Thoughts: why would you need to recompile anything enless its not in RPM form. If you redo your glib and glibc your kinda fucked. Everything on your system requires the version that you have installed b/c they are compiled against that version. 2 versions of glib installed is b/c one is in source form and one is in rpm form. You kinda screwed yourself. If you uninstall any window widget you will be uninstalling 90% of your GUI. You update a shared library by updating it via rpm's. It will test first if it can be updated and tell you any issues. Use the rpm -Uvh --test rpm-filename.rpm first. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Upgrading xmms
Is it possible to upgrade xmms to a newer version on MDK 7.0? I have downloaded xmms 1.2.7. - MDK 7.0 came with xmms 0.9.5.1. I see I need glib 1.2.2 or better. Can I download the necessary libraries and then compile the new xmms? George Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 083 4666192 The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes did not have tears Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Upgrading. (Was questions on apt-get). Probably O/T
On Sunday 01 December 2002 07:11, RCD wrote: SNIP The one really awsome thing about debian and I'm not bashing mandrake at all is their upgrade, update system. Using apt-get you can upgrade your system to a testing version, or unstable version and then back again (although going backwards is risky). You can select packages from stable, testing, or unstable and mix and match all by editing your source.list file something you will not get to experience when using apt with mandrake. Once Debian is installed through apt you really never have to upgrade your system as apt-get will do it for you. I love mandrakes ease of use and its community is by far the friendliest of all the distro's I've tried, but debians maintenance and upgradeability are far supirior to any rpm based system. I hear gentoo is pretty advanced when it comes to updating or upgrading as well. Rob I tried Debian (potato) about a year ago, and found was horrendous to install. It eventually installed in text mode, but then it took me a week to get it running in X! Even then, I was having all sorts of problems. Definitely not for the newbie or even the semi-newbie, in my opinion. For the average user who wants a Debian type distro, Libranet is excellent. I like Mandrake best of all the distros I have tried, though, with its comparative ease of use and latest packages. As you say, Mandrake's community spirit is excellent. Libranet's is also excellent. Just my thoughts on the matter. Cheers Keith Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading. (Was questions on apt-get). Probably O/T
I tried Debian (potato) about a year ago, and found was horrendous to install. It eventually installed in text mode, but then it took me a week to get it running in X! Even then, I was having all sorts of problems. Definitely not for the newbie or even the semi-newbie, in my opinion. For the average user who wants a Debian type distro, Libranet is excellent. I like Mandrake best of all the distros I have tried, though, with its comparative ease of use and latest packages. As you say, Mandrake's community spirit is excellent. Libranet's is also excellent. Just my thoughts on the matter. Cheers Keith Debian has made big strides since potatoe, and thet do have a gui installer in the works although I am not sure which version it will show up in. I have an experimental gui installer from progeny which was super simple and installed well. It kinda stinks but debian is one of those distros that alto simle once you understand it, it is frustrating to get to know initially. Ease of install Mandrake hands down.. But urpmi cant touch apt-get! Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Upgrading KDE
Dear ALL, I have LM 9 with the KDE3 and would like to upgrade to 3.04. I have not done this before, so how does one do this in Mandrake? Thanks for the help. Sincerely, Marcia Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading KDE
On Thursday 07 November 2002 5:44 pm, Marcia wrote: Dear ALL, I have LM 9 with the KDE3 and would like to upgrade to 3.04. I have not done this before, so how does one do this in Mandrake? Thanks for the help. Sincerely, Marcia The easiest way would be to use the precompiled rpms for mandrake from one of the kde sites; eg ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.0.4/Mandrake/9.0/RPMS and download them all to a separate folder. This can take quite a while depending on your connection. Then its probably best to shut down X and install them from a normal console. Go to the folder where you downloaded them and su to root. Then rpm -Uvh *.rpm should hopefully get everything upgraded ok. Before doing all this though, you should be familiar with 'getting about' without X and using a text editor like vi or emacs, just incase things don't go according to plan. Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading KDE
Dear ALL, I have LM 9 with the KDE3 and would like to upgrade to 3.04. I have not done this before, so how does one do this in Mandrake? Thanks for the help. Sincerely, It's really simple. One way is to download all the rpms that you want to upgrade (minus the *-devel-* stuff, unless you WANT to load those) and place them in a directory somewhere. Then from the command line, run the following command in the directory you stored the rpms in. rpm -Fvh --nodeps *.rpm That's it. Anthony Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading
On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:44:40 -0500 Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ordered the 9.0 Power Pack the other night, when it comes in what is the best way to upgrade? Install over the old 8.2 or backup my /home partition, clean off the drive, install 9.0 and then restore my home partiton. Also, does anyone know if 9.0 supports the HP Scanjet 4400c or will I still have to keep my windows drive active for scanning. Wipe completely then reinstall - backward compatibility of configurations is not a strong point when people upgrade their packages, and I had a number of glitches when I didn't wipe (particularly with Mozilla). On the scanner, it appears not, unless the 4100 beta sane driver happens to work with the 4400: http://www.mostang.com/sane/ Alastair Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading
Chris wrote: I ordered the 9.0 Power Pack the other night, when it comes in what is the best way to upgrade? Install over the old 8.2 or backup my /home partition, clean off the drive, install 9.0 and then restore my home partiton. On my office box I did a clean sweep because I wanted to change the filesystem, but if you've got /home on a separate partition, you may as well keep it - even if you do an install rather than an upgrade, you should find the settings in /home work OK once it's been upgraded (I leapfrogged from 8.1 to 9.0 on this box, and the only things I had to alter were some of the icons, which pointed to the wrong places for Mozilla and OpenOffice). Also, does anyone know if 9.0 supports the HP Scanjet 4400c or will I still have to keep my windows drive active for scanning. Dunno - check the HP website. Linux support for scanning is much better these days. Sir Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Upgrading
I ordered the 9.0 Power Pack the other night, when it comes in what is the best way to upgrade? Install over the old 8.2 or backup my /home partition, clean off the drive, install 9.0 and then restore my home partiton. Also, does anyone know if 9.0 supports the HP Scanjet 4400c or will I still have to keep my windows drive active for scanning. -- Regards Chris Registered Linux user #283774 http://counter.li.org 4:41pm up 2 days, 21:18, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.33, 0.18 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading from 7.1 to 8.2
Ok. Thank you Gavin. Now another question: how do we do a "fresh" install? What files (or directories) should I delete? Should I format the hard drive and start from scratch (if so how would I retain my home directory as you suggest)? AndreDo You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes
RE: [newbie] Upgrading from 7.1 to 8.2
That depends, did you specify /home to be a seperate partition when you setup 7.1??? if not, then make a tar.gz file of all the stuff you want to keep.. copy it off that PC and wipe the whole linux partitions. (when diskdrake comes up during the install, you can remove the linux partitions and start from scratch. and this time make a seperate /home directory.) A clean install is faster, neater and less problems then an upgrade. good luck, rgds Frank -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andre StevensSent: Monday, 26 August 2002 7:25 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [newbie] Upgrading from 7.1 to 8.2 Ok. Thank you Gavin. Now another question: how do we do a "fresh" install? What files (or directories) should I delete? Should I format the hard drive and start from scratch (if so how would I retain my home directory as you suggest)? Andre Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes
RE: [newbie] Upgrading from 7.1 to 8.2
Thank you Frank! Andre---Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes
Re: [newbie] Upgrading from 7.1 to 8.2
Andre, That's a nice jump your thinking about making, I would suggest 1st. backing up your IMPORTANT FILES, next do a fresh install..(do NOT delete your home directory (if important info is there) during the install!!) I've tried to do an update before from 7.2 to 8.0 and I ran into some file conflictsbut after I did a fresh install, all worked fine.. As for GUI's YES.. there is a gui for the upgrade but I'm sure most if not all of the fokes on this list and others too will STRONGLY suggest that you do a fresh install. I hope I helped a bit... take care and GOD BLESS Gavin On Sunday 25 August 2002 06:06 pm, you wrote: With the files I downloaded from the Mandrake website, is is possible to upgrade from v7.1 to 8.2? Or do I have to trash the old OS and start from scratch? If so will I be able to simply save my files to floppy? How does the upgrade work (is everything done from the command line or is there a spiffy GUI to use now?)? Thanx. Andre--- - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
