Re: [newbie] about to give up (I did from linuxconf!)
On Seg 09 Dez 2002 21:04, gklofa wrote: uh I quite have the same problem and the solution is: First and most important: get rid of linuxconf, if you've never used, please, don't Second: Affter the first solution, it's been quite easy to keep my connection on mdk9.0 adsl. But, do you use rp-pppoe? My ex-linuxconf used to keep every dynamic IP it got, so after a while or a reboot, it would be impossible to get connected!!! Looking into linuxconf, there were 6 nic cards!?!? And I got only TWO! Guess what happened if I just disable a single one? No connection again! So, my last and best shot so far was doing a complete, comprehensive rpm -e linuxconf Everytime I had to issue the command: ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 then adsl-start and have all the joy! Everything is just fine since then... []s Ricardo Well here we are guys, this is an email coming from my mandrake system! But I have been in this pos before, but when re-boot, loose it all and no connection again! I am not going to re-boot at this point in time. To get it connected this time, it did not automatically connect on boot, I had to use the wizard again, and then select connect. John, tripple boot system yes. Booting through a program called system commander. Only one nic, only need the one to connect the router/modem. Here is the ifcfg-eth0 file:- DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=static IPADDR=10.0.0.1 NETMASK=255.0.0.0 NETWORK=10.0.0.0 BROADCAST=10.255.255.255 ONBOOT=yes and here is the network file NETWORKING=yes FORWARD_IPV4=false HOSTNAME=localhost.localdomain DOMAINNAME=localdomain GATEWAY=10.0.0.138 to me, everything looks good. What do you reckon, re-boot and see what happens? Maybe not be able to get back on again! I like living life on the edge though, so I think I will later today, when I have done a bit more investigating, and some advice from the list. Also, what is the latest kernel for mandrake? I am running the one that came with the distro, 2.4.19-16mdk. If there is a later mdk kernel, I wouldn't mind loading it in, just incase this is a bug in the current one. I went into the mandrake control centre, and used the update software, but it doesn't appear to update kernels, none were listed. This is unless this one is the most current?? The update seems to be a bit buggy as well, it kept on dropping out on the downloads, even though the connection was up and working well. I checked by doing a bit of browsing. Maybe the mirror was a little overloaded at the time, will try later. Just want to make sure I have all updates installed before re-booting. regards Greg == Linux user # 102240 = Machine # 96125 = Seti@home user == http://counter.li.org/ Get Counted! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
O.K. ALL some good developments here. I have set up my modem to a static setup. This obviously meant that my windows xp and red hat systems would not connect to the internet after setting it. This was o.k., all I did was go in, change the settings from dhcp assigning, to a static address. This gave me a chance to check the details that I have been giving mandrake to access the internet. In both wind/rh an ip of 10.0.0.1, gateway of 10.0.0.138 and dns of 10.0.0.138, with the netmask set to 255.0.0.0, got them working again no problems. Now, in Mandrake, I set up the system with static as well. Setting all the details as above, it now activates the eth0 device normally at boot. This means it was only failing before due to the dhcp allocation failing, not the device itself. So now eth0 is up when I boot into mandrake. BUT, it still didn't connect to the net. I re-ran the wizard, and re-set the details again, and it connected! It was accessing web sites no worries, and I received a couple of emails as well. I re-booted the computer, and tried to access again. It didn't connect, so I ran the wizard again, and again it connected o.k. On the third re-boot, the same happened, and I re-ran the wizard, but this time, and all attempts thereafter, it just won't connect to the net at all again. So what is happening here? I now know everything is correct in regards to details, the eth0 device is coming up o.k., and windows and red hat work o.k. with the static settings. Mandrake definately has a bug in it somewhere. Forgetting about the wizard, as I think it is buggered, where can I manually set all the details in the appropriate config files for networking and internet. If I new exactly the initialisation process of mandrake, I could just go in and set it myself, and hopefully this would work. Surprising that it actually connected two times, and now it won't at all, hey!! At least I know I am nearer to the solution than I was this morning, thanks to you guys. Joeb, you mentioned the other day something about you having an idea what may be the problem. Something about modifying the net.conf file to remove the GATEWAY= line, and possibly something else. Did you have a chance to follow up on this by any chance mate? thanks Greg Mon, 2002-12-09 at 18:26, Martin L. Johansen wrote: On Monday 09 December 2002 04:52, Joseph Braddock wrote: PCI is funny that way. Your plug and play bios and/or OS have to pick some order in which to initialize the cards. If one of the cards has a limited number of IRQs it can use and a different card grabs that IRQ first, then the limited card is stuck. Once the card is assigned an IRQ by the bios, the bios won't change it as long as that card is put in the original slot. I've usually have had this problem with various Winmodems that require a specific IRQ, but another adapter has grabbed it (doesn't matter whether running Linux or Windows). Rearranging the cards usually does the trick. Yeah, but fynny thing for me, is that in Windows it worked, and in Linux it didn't. Hmm, strange. -- Martin L. Johansen Carpe Aptenodytes! (Seize the Penguins!) Spam will be forwared to /dev/null ... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 20:09, greg wrote: Instead of depending on the MCC Wizards, why not just open up a nice terminal window, and type: netconfig ...put in all the proper information that you need to put in, save the configuration - linuxconf will direct you to what services need to be restarted and etc etc etcdouble check your /etc/hosts, /etc/resolv.conf, your /etc/sysconfig folder for other networking scripts (making sure they're setup properly)...then, after all that jazz, get back to a terminal window and type: service network --full-restart ...you should be back in biz...and after you're satisfied that you're back in biz, reboot for giggles and grins. JUST TO BE SURE...but I think that you'll be right if you ditch the MCC stuff altogether and stick with the linuxconf suite of utils...they're easier to get to, easier to configure/muck with, and more dependable than that GUI stuff has shown to be... (I'm sure I'll get flamed over this...but what the hec...they're on the other side of the world...) Cheers! -- Mon Dec 9 20:45:00 EST 2002 8:45pm up 1 day, 30 min, 5 users, load average: 0.02, 0.21, 1.35 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn Hildebrant's Principle: If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
Hello. On Sat 2002-12-07 at 17:17:19 +1100, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2002-12-07 at 16:00, Mark Weaver wrote: [...] AND, dig this - those installations are going on the SAME machine - nothing changed. Nothing. Nada. The first five times I installed MDK on this workstation, I changed some things here and there just so that I could get the feel of the install. After that, though, the installations were by the book as I wanted them - and as stated, two of the five installations would NOT hold the settings properly. That sounds like a hardware problem. Programs are deterministic (except if randomness is explicitly implemented), i.e. given the same inputs, you will get the same execution path and the same output. If the output changes (your installation sometimes has problems and sometimes not), the input (in the widest sense) must have changed. Maybe the machine changed them indirectly, e.g. because the RAM is faulty. Maybe you gave different inputs, by changing the configuration, but I doubt that. There is one option left: Changing inputs due to operations that depend on timing, but usually that is accounted for in the programs. I have installed Mandrake 9.0 about 10 times and never observed any changes that looked abitrary or randomly. My experience is, that such random changes are most often caused by hardware problems. Even if they are only observed with one OS. That simply means, that it does something different, so that it triggers that behaviour. (I even had that with faulty RAM. X under Debian 2.2 was unstable, but Microsoft Windows 98 run fine, a memtest showed the RAM was broken - only with certain storage patterns). So, instead of all of us that know something about something throwing blame back at those less experienced, there are some things that have to be realized - there ARE problems with the MDK 9 distro and they HAVE to be fixed. The best way to get them fixed is to find a reliable way to reproduce them and post the recipe. [...23 lines of signature deleted...] Btw, would you please trim that down when posting to the list. Thanks. HTH, Benjamin. msg111099/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] about to give up
On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 20:09, greg wrote: O.K. ALL some good developments here. Excellent! Just what I like to hear :) I have set up my modem to a static setup. This obviously meant that my windows xp and red hat systems would not connect to the internet after setting it. This was o.k., all I did was go in, change the settings from dhcp assigning, to a static address. This gave me a chance to check the details that I have been giving mandrake to access the internet. In both wind/rh an ip of 10.0.0.1, gateway of 10.0.0.138 and dns of 10.0.0.138, with the netmask set to 255.0.0.0, got them working again no problems. Now, in Mandrake, I set up the system with static as well. Setting all the details as above, it now activates the eth0 device normally at boot. This means it was only failing before due to the dhcp allocation failing, not the device itself. So now eth0 is up when I boot into mandrake. BUT, it still didn't connect to the net. I re-ran the wizard, and re-set the details again, and it connected! It was accessing web sites no worries, and I received a couple of emails as well. I re-booted the computer, and tried to access again. It didn't connect, so I ran the wizard again, and again it connected o.k. On the third re-boot, the same happened, and I re-ran the wizard, but this time, and all attempts thereafter, it just won't connect to the net at all again. So what is happening here? I now know everything is correct in regards to details, the eth0 device is coming up o.k., and windows and red hat work o.k. with the static settings. Mandrake definately has a bug in it somewhere. You have a triple boot system here right? Only one nic? With one address? Otherwise, it sounds a bit like an IP address conflict. If not, we need to look at the config files... Forgetting about the wizard, as I think it is buggered, where can I manually set all the details in the appropriate config files for networking and internet. If I new exactly the initialisation process of mandrake, I could just go in and set it myself, and hopefully this would work. Surprising that it actually connected two times, and now it won't at all, hey!! At least I know I am nearer to the solution than I was this morning, thanks to you guys. Can you please post /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and /etc/sysconfig/network? Joeb, you mentioned the other day something about you having an idea what may be the problem. Something about modifying the net.conf file to remove the GATEWAY= line, and possibly something else. Did you have a chance to follow up on this by any chance mate? In your case, Greg, you need the GATEWAY= line, as your Mandrake box is not the gateway, the router is. You need to tell Mandrake where to send all packets addressed to unknown destinations (to the default gateway). Getting close... Kind regards, John. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
Well here we are guys, this is an email coming from my mandrake system! But I have been in this pos before, but when re-boot, loose it all and no connection again! I am not going to re-boot at this point in time. To get it connected this time, it did not automatically connect on boot, I had to use the wizard again, and then select connect. John, tripple boot system yes. Booting through a program called system commander. Only one nic, only need the one to connect the router/modem. Here is the ifcfg-eth0 file:- DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=static IPADDR=10.0.0.1 NETMASK=255.0.0.0 NETWORK=10.0.0.0 BROADCAST=10.255.255.255 ONBOOT=yes and here is the network file NETWORKING=yes FORWARD_IPV4=false HOSTNAME=localhost.localdomain DOMAINNAME=localdomain GATEWAY=10.0.0.138 to me, everything looks good. What do you reckon, re-boot and see what happens? Maybe not be able to get back on again! I like living life on the edge though, so I think I will later today, when I have done a bit more investigating, and some advice from the list. Also, what is the latest kernel for mandrake? I am running the one that came with the distro, 2.4.19-16mdk. If there is a later mdk kernel, I wouldn't mind loading it in, just incase this is a bug in the current one. I went into the mandrake control centre, and used the update software, but it doesn't appear to update kernels, none were listed. This is unless this one is the most current?? The update seems to be a bit buggy as well, it kept on dropping out on the downloads, even though the connection was up and working well. I checked by doing a bit of browsing. Maybe the mirror was a little overloaded at the time, will try later. Just want to make sure I have all updates installed before re-booting. regards Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
On Monday 09 December 2002 05:04 pm, gklofa wrote: Well here we are guys, this is an email coming from my mandrake system! But I have been in this pos before, but when re-boot, loose it all and no connection again! I am not going to re-boot at this point in time. To get it connected this time, it did not automatically connect on boot, I had to use the wizard again, and then select connect. John, tripple boot system yes. Booting through a program called system commander. Only one nic, only need the one to connect the router/modem. Here is the ifcfg-eth0 file:- DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=static IPADDR=10.0.0.1 NETMASK=255.0.0.0 NETWORK=10.0.0.0 BROADCAST=10.255.255.255 ONBOOT=yes and here is the network file NETWORKING=yes FORWARD_IPV4=false HOSTNAME=localhost.localdomain DOMAINNAME=localdomain GATEWAY=10.0.0.138 to me, everything looks good. What do you reckon, re-boot and see what happens? Maybe not be able to get back on again! I like living life on the edge though, so I think I will later today, when I have done a bit more investigating, and some advice from the list. Also, what is the latest kernel for mandrake? I am running the one that came with the distro, 2.4.19-16mdk. If there is a later mdk kernel, I wouldn't mind loading it in, just incase this is a bug in the current one. I went into the mandrake control centre, and used the update software, but it doesn't appear to update kernels, none were listed. This is unless this one is the most current?? The update seems to be a bit buggy as well, it kept on dropping out on the downloads, even though the connection was up and working well. I checked by doing a bit of browsing. Maybe the mirror was a little overloaded at the time, will try later. Just want to make sure I have all updates installed before re-booting. regards Greg Are you sure that is the right broadcast and netmask? here is my ifcfg-eth0; DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp IPADDR=192.168.0.5 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 NETWORK=192.168.0.0 BROADCAST=192.168.0.255 ONBOOT=yes Sorry, I am not a network guru but the relationships seem funny on yours. Course I can only get the higher speed downloads using dhcp, if I use static like you I get speeds equivalent to a phone modem and I have cable modem. Anyway, thought this was curious and maybe one of the network guys can enlighten us. -- Dennis M. linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
Greg, Sorry this is late getting back to you (I lost a hard drive so was out of commission for a bit (well, intermittantly it was going bad till it died totally)). Anyway, I'm glad you got your problem resolved. The GATEWAY issue I was referring to applied to having an ethernet card and using a modem for dial-up to the internet (particularly if you had the Mandrake install program auto-configure your network). Anyway, the errata from the Mandrake 9.0 page states: Error scenario: You have an ethernet card for the local LAN and a modem for internet access and you can't reach the internet. Why: Drakconnect wrongly asks for a gateway, and ppp can't set your modem connection as the default route. Solution: As root, edit /etc/sysconfig/network and manually remove the GATEWAY entry. Since you are using a cable modem, it wouldn't have applied to your situation, but I wanted to post this anyway, in case anyone else was waiting on the info. Joeb On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 17:04, gklofa wrote: Well here we are guys, this is an email coming from my mandrake system! But I have been in this pos before, but when re-boot, loose it all and no connection again! I am not going to re-boot at this point in time. To get it connected this time, it did not automatically connect on boot, I had to use the wizard again, and then select connect. John, tripple boot system yes. Booting through a program called system commander. Only one nic, only need the one to connect the router/modem. Here is the ifcfg-eth0 file:- DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=static IPADDR=10.0.0.1 NETMASK=255.0.0.0 NETWORK=10.0.0.0 BROADCAST=10.255.255.255 ONBOOT=yes and here is the network file NETWORKING=yes FORWARD_IPV4=false HOSTNAME=localhost.localdomain DOMAINNAME=localdomain GATEWAY=10.0.0.138 to me, everything looks good. What do you reckon, re-boot and see what happens? Maybe not be able to get back on again! I like living life on the edge though, so I think I will later today, when I have done a bit more investigating, and some advice from the list. Also, what is the latest kernel for mandrake? I am running the one that came with the distro, 2.4.19-16mdk. If there is a later mdk kernel, I wouldn't mind loading it in, just incase this is a bug in the current one. I went into the mandrake control centre, and used the update software, but it doesn't appear to update kernels, none were listed. This is unless this one is the most current?? The update seems to be a bit buggy as well, it kept on dropping out on the downloads, even though the connection was up and working well. I checked by doing a bit of browsing. Maybe the mirror was a little overloaded at the time, will try later. Just want to make sure I have all updates installed before re-booting. regards Greg __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Joseph Braddock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
Dennis, these are the settings used right accross all my systems, windows and red hat included, as well as windows 98 downstairs. They all work fine and fast, so I don't know. Maybe you have a different setup. This modem/router has all the relevant details to access my provider in it, i.e isp 150.101.208.30, and netmask 255.255.0.0, as well as all other info including my password for accessing the isp, and user name. The info here is only for the system to access the modem, the modem does the rest. So I think this is where we differ in the info required to access the net. thanks Greg On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 10:56, Dennis Myers wrote: On Monday 09 December 2002 05:04 pm, gklofa wrote: Well here we are guys, this is an email coming from my mandrake system! But I have been in this pos before, but when re-boot, loose it all and no connection again! I am not going to re-boot at this point in time. To get it connected this time, it did not automatically connect on boot, I had to use the wizard again, and then select connect. John, tripple boot system yes. Booting through a program called system commander. Only one nic, only need the one to connect the router/modem. Here is the ifcfg-eth0 file:- DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=static IPADDR=10.0.0.1 NETMASK=255.0.0.0 NETWORK=10.0.0.0 BROADCAST=10.255.255.255 ONBOOT=yes and here is the network file NETWORKING=yes FORWARD_IPV4=false HOSTNAME=localhost.localdomain DOMAINNAME=localdomain GATEWAY=10.0.0.138 to me, everything looks good. What do you reckon, re-boot and see what happens? Maybe not be able to get back on again! I like living life on the edge though, so I think I will later today, when I have done a bit more investigating, and some advice from the list. Also, what is the latest kernel for mandrake? I am running the one that came with the distro, 2.4.19-16mdk. If there is a later mdk kernel, I wouldn't mind loading it in, just incase this is a bug in the current one. I went into the mandrake control centre, and used the update software, but it doesn't appear to update kernels, none were listed. This is unless this one is the most current?? The update seems to be a bit buggy as well, it kept on dropping out on the downloads, even though the connection was up and working well. I checked by doing a bit of browsing. Maybe the mirror was a little overloaded at the time, will try later. Just want to make sure I have all updates installed before re-booting. regards Greg Are you sure that is the right broadcast and netmask? here is my ifcfg-eth0; DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp IPADDR=192.168.0.5 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 NETWORK=192.168.0.0 BROADCAST=192.168.0.255 ONBOOT=yes Sorry, I am not a network guru but the relationships seem funny on yours. Course I can only get the higher speed downloads using dhcp, if I use static like you I get speeds equivalent to a phone modem and I have cable modem. Anyway, thought this was curious and maybe one of the network guys can enlighten us. -- Dennis M. linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
Hi all, and thanks to those who have replied with support (david, john, anne,joeb,alexa,marcia,jose,mark,stephan). Sorry for not replying sooner, but working very hard at the moment, and just turned my computer on today. I now have Red Hat back on, but I did a full re-install of Mandrake 9.0, and have it booting as well, in the hope I can get it working. I played around with it a bit more, by inserting red hat files into the mandrake system (johns suggestion), to see if the working RH files get it to work, but no luck. The system booted no problems, but still no internet. Anyway, I will try to answer the questions that you all asked in one email, so that it is all in one place, and also give a run-down on what my system is, and what I have done. First, the system is a gigabyte ga-83r533 motherboard, with a p4 chip. The network card is a realtek 8139 card. My router is a Alcatel Speed Touch PRO router, obviously running through the nic card (to those who have directed me to the usb drivers and text on usb modem, I don't think this is relevant in my case??) The router has all details for connection to the internet in it's internal software. If interested, here is what is in the modems internal software: PPP (VPI 8, VCI 35) ipa ipa 150.101.208.30 255.255.0.0 eth010.0.0.138 255.0.0.0 loop127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 auto DHCP domain name :lan hostname: user 10.0.0.1 When installing Mandrake, I have selected (when setting up net/internet) the ethernet option, and selected bootp/dhcp instead of entering any details. This is how Red Hat is configured (ethernet connection/dhcp) and works no probs. After this, booting into MK9, internet does not work. When it is booting, the detection of eth0 fails. Running ifconfig in MK9, shows up only the lo details, and eth0 is not running. As a result, obviously no connection. Does not matter how many different ways I configure the connection through the wizard, it still does not work, even when I select ADSL, and choose DHCP. If I run ifup eth0, it fails. When I run 'ifconfig eth0 -pointopoint 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0', it brings eth0 up, but still does no good, and when I run the internet wizard, if knocks eth0 out, and puts it down again. Just one more note, this last time of installing mandrake, I installed only the minimum (980mb something isntall, for a basic internet system, with gnome and kde) just incase something else being installed was interferring with the device. I have no firewall installed. When I bring up ifconfig in RH8, these are the addresses that come up: eth0 inet addr :10.0.0.1 Bcast 10.255.255.255 Mask 255.0.0.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 lo inet addr : 127.0.0.1 Mask 255.0.0.0 Please note with the above, that when running ifconfig eth0 -pointopoint 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 in mandrake, the 'UP BROADCAST RUNNING' section has a word 'NOTRAILERS' in it. Does this have a critical part to play?? This is one difference between the RH8 and MK9 ifconfig display. Anne, as far as I know, the eth0's address is automatically assigned? (dhcp) and being the only device on the network in redhat, it gets an address of 10.0.0.1. The router/modems address is 10.0.0.138. I use this address (when eth0 is working) in my browser to get into the configuration of the router. This brings up the routers menu (which is web site design based) to configure everything. With regard to the alcatel packages, I found it, but I specifically states it is to do with usb alcatel modems, so I don't think I need it. You say I should be configuring it with a local lan number. How and where should I do this. Why should it not recognise the modems address of 10.0.0.138? I seriously think that something is wrong with the nic, not anything else. The nic works, as is proven in other o/s's, but the driver or something in MK9 may not be working, or the device configured wrongly. How do I test the connection/nic?? Joeb, as you can read above, I think this answers your questions. I will look at the net.conf file, and remove what you recommend and see if this works. Marcia, this was usb related so as far as I know, it is a different modem, and uses drivers for usb. Thanks Jose, love their easy to use wizards, except they don't seem to do much for me. I have also tried to bring up eth0 with ifconfig, but that also makes no difference. Buggers me why!!?? Mark, I wish I new what I am doing wrong!! as above, Buggers me why??!! Thanks very much, and hopefully with some help, I will yet get into Mandrake. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 21:15, greg wrote: When installing Mandrake, I have selected (when setting up net/internet) the ethernet option, and selected bootp/dhcp instead of entering any details. This is how Red Hat is configured (ethernet connection/dhcp) and works no probs. After this, booting into MK9, internet does not work. When it is booting, the detection of eth0 fails. Running ifconfig in MK9, shows up only the lo details, and eth0 is not running. As a result, obviously no connection. Does not matter how many different ways I configure the connection through the wizard, it still does not work, even when I select ADSL, and choose DHCP. If I run ifup eth0, it fails. When I run 'ifconfig eth0 -pointopoint 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0', it brings eth0 up, but still does no good, and when I run the internet wizard, if knocks eth0 out, and puts it down again. Just one more note, this last time of installing mandrake, I installed only the minimum (980mb something isntall, for a basic internet system, with gnome and kde) just incase something else being installed was interferring with the device. If eth0 doesn't show up, no matter what you do, you're not going to get on the internet (or any net for that matter). What about disabling PNP/OS in your BIOS and see if that works? Once you can LEGITIMATELY get your ethernet card working, then the rest is going to be easy as pie. Per chance, do you have another ethernet card you can throw in there for giggles and grins? (Something that's definitely in the compatible listing? -- Sun Dec 8 21:45:00 EST 2002 9:45pm up 1:30, 4 users, load average: 0.01, 0.27, 0.56 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn A closed mouth gathers no foot. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
On Sunday 08 Dec 2002 10:15 am, greg wrote: Anyway, I will try to answer the questions that you all asked in one email, so that it is all in one place, and also give a run-down on what my system is, and what I have done. It does help to have as much information as possible in one place. Well done. First, the system is a gigabyte ga-83r533 motherboard, with a p4 chip. The network card is a realtek 8139 card. My router is a Alcatel Speed Touch PRO router, obviously running through the nic card (to those who have directed me to the usb drivers and text on usb modem, I don't think this is relevant in my case??) The router has all details for connection to the internet in it's internal software. If interested, here is what is in the modems internal software: PPP (VPI 8, VCI 35) ipa ipa 150.101.208.30 255.255.0.0 eth0 10.0.0.138 255.0.0.0 loop 127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 auto DHCP domain name :lan hostname: user 10.0.0.1 When installing Mandrake, I have selected (when setting up net/internet) the ethernet option, and selected bootp/dhcp instead of entering any details. This is how Red Hat is configured (ethernet connection/dhcp) and works no probs. After this, booting into MK9, internet does not work. When it is booting, the detection of eth0 fails. Running ifconfig in MK9, shows up only the lo details, and eth0 is not running. As a result, obviously no connection. Does not matter how many different ways I configure the connection through the wizard, it still does not work, even when I select ADSL, and choose DHCP. If I run ifup eth0, it fails. When I run 'ifconfig eth0 -pointopoint 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0', it brings eth0 up, but still does no good, and when I run the internet wizard, if knocks eth0 out, and puts it down again. Just one more note, this last time of installing mandrake, I installed only the minimum (980mb something isntall, for a basic internet system, with gnome and kde) just incase something else being installed was interferring with the device. I have no firewall installed. When I bring up ifconfig in RH8, these are the addresses that come up: eth0 inet addr :10.0.0.1 Bcast 10.255.255.255 Mask 255.0.0.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 lo inet addr : 127.0.0.1 Mask 255.0.0.0 To me that suggests that RH is using 10.0.0.1 as gateway. If I'm wrong, please someone correct me. Please note with the above, that when running ifconfig eth0 -pointopoint 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 in mandrake, the 'UP BROADCAST RUNNING' section has a word 'NOTRAILERS' in it. Does this have a critical part to play?? This is one difference between the RH8 and MK9 ifconfig display. Anne, as far as I know, the eth0's address is automatically assigned? (dhcp) and being the only device on the network in redhat, it gets an address of 10.0.0.1. The router/modems address is 10.0.0.138. I use this address (when eth0 is working) in my browser to get into the configuration of the router. This brings up the routers menu (which is web site design based) to configure everything. Your card's address is automatically assigned by the router, if that is the dhcp server. Make sure you have pointed your setup to the correct server. My router is an SMC which uses a web site design, and sound similar to yours. I can't even remember its external address, but it assigns itself 192.168.0.1 as the internal address. As far as I know it is the norm for your.local.domain.1 to be used for this purpose. This would also tie in with what I think RH is telling you. With regard to the alcatel packages, I found it, but I specifically states it is to do with usb alcatel modems, so I don't think I need it. That sounds reasonable. You say I should be configuring it with a local lan number. How and where should I do this. Why should it not recognise the modems address of 10.0.0.138? Look - I'm not saying you couldn't be right - it just isn't usual. :) I seriously think that something is wrong with the nic, not anything else. The nic works, as is proven in other o/s's, but the driver or something in MK9 may not be working, or the device configured wrongly. How do I test the connection/nic?? Not sure on this - someone else will know. Have you tried ifconfig? Here's the output on mine: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:04:E2:01:5B:EF inet addr:192.168.0.30 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:88606 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:69955 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:94431336 (90.0 Mb) TX bytes:6373470 (6.0 Mb) Interrupt:5 Base address:0x8000 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
Re: [newbie] about to give up
On Sunday 08 Dec 2002 10:48 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: If eth0 doesn't show up, no matter what you do, you're not going to get on the internet (or any net for that matter). What about disabling PNP/OS in your BIOS and see if that works? Once you can LEGITIMATELY get your ethernet card working, then the rest is going to be easy as pie. Per chance, do you have another ethernet card you can throw in there for giggles and grins? (Something that's definitely in the compatible listing? Realtek cards are usually no problem. All 5 desktop machines that connect to this lan use Realtek chipset cards, all 8139, I think. Rather than worry about the type, I would suspect a fault in the card - but then if it works in RH Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
On Sunday 08 December 2002 11:15, greg wrote: When installing Mandrake, I have selected (when setting up net/internet) the ethernet option, and selected bootp/dhcp instead of entering any details. This is how Red Hat is configured (ethernet connection/dhcp) and works no probs. After this, booting into MK9, internet does not work. When it is booting, the detection of eth0 fails. Running ifconfig in MK9, shows up only the lo details, and eth0 is not running. As a result, obviously no connection. Does not matter how many different ways I configure the connection through the wizard, it still does not work, even when I select ADSL, and choose DHCP. If I run ifup eth0, it fails. When I run 'ifconfig eth0 -pointopoint 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0', it brings eth0 up, but still does no good, and when I run the internet wizard, if knocks eth0 out, and puts it down again. Just one more note, this last time of installing mandrake, I installed only the minimum (980mb something isntall, for a basic internet system, with gnome and kde) just incase something else being installed was interferring with the device. Try another card from another manufacture, but with the same chipset, if it still wont work, then try disabling DHCP (DHCP is satans work, if you ask me) and see if it helps. Remember to disable DHCP in your router as well. I use all static IP's on my LAN and all is working like a charm allways. Many friends tend to use DHCP but they all have problems once in a while. I don't see the trick using dynamic IP's through DHCP, when it's not nessecary (and when is it that?) Third... if it aint working still... try another PCI-bus. You might have a conflict. I had that problem once. I moved the card, and all was a bliss. -- Martin L. Johansen Carpe Aptenodytes! (Seize the Penguins!) Spam will be forwared to /dev/null ... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
On Sunday 08 Dec 2002 11:50 am, Martin L. Johansen wrote: On Sunday 08 December 2002 11:15, greg wrote: When installing Mandrake, I have selected (when setting up net/internet) the ethernet option, and selected bootp/dhcp instead of entering any details. This is how Red Hat is configured (ethernet connection/dhcp) and works no probs. After this, booting into MK9, internet does not work. When it is booting, the detection of eth0 fails. Running ifconfig in MK9, shows up only the lo details, and eth0 is not running. As a result, obviously no connection. Does not matter how many different ways I configure the connection through the wizard, it still does not work, even when I select ADSL, and choose DHCP. If I run ifup eth0, it fails. When I run 'ifconfig eth0 -pointopoint 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0', it brings eth0 up, but still does no good, and when I run the internet wizard, if knocks eth0 out, and puts it down again. Just one more note, this last time of installing mandrake, I installed only the minimum (980mb something isntall, for a basic internet system, with gnome and kde) just incase something else being installed was interferring with the device. Try another card from another manufacture, but with the same chipset, if it still wont work, then try disabling DHCP (DHCP is satans work, if you ask me) and see if it helps. Remember to disable DHCP in your router as well. I use all static IP's on my LAN and all is working like a charm allways. Many friends tend to use DHCP but they all have problems once in a while. I don't see the trick using dynamic IP's through DHCP, when it's not nessecary (and when is it that?) I have a table set up on my router with static IP addresses. All the machines use those static addresses, except the laptop which is set to get an address from the router. The router has a fixed address to offer that login, so it works as though it is completely using a static address, but avoids the problem of the laptop being elsewhere and causing conflict by having a static address set. It sounds crazy to mix and match like this, but seems to cause no problem. I would certainly recommend static addressing. The main argument for dhcp in small lans seems to be anonymity on the Internet - but your router's giving you that. Third... if it aint working still... try another PCI-bus. You might have a conflict. I had that problem once. I moved the card, and all was a bliss. Well worth a try. Maybe a conflict, and sometimes some slots just don't seem to work smoothly, or seem to be picky with playmates. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
Hi Greg, This is getting to be a long story, so I'll only include the essentials from previous mails... If interested, here is what is in the modems internal software: PPP (VPI 8, VCI 35) ipa ipa 150.101.208.30 255.255.0.0 eth010.0.0.138 255.0.0.0 loop127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 auto DHCP domain name :lan hostname: user 10.0.0.1 Okay, we have an external address (150.101.208.30) and an Internal address (10.0.0.138). Do you have 10.0.0.138 as your default gateway on the Mandrake box? In /etc/sysconfig/network you should have 'GATEWAY=10.0.0.138' and 'GATEWAYDEV=eth0' When installing Mandrake, I have selected (when setting up net/internet) the ethernet option, and selected bootp/dhcp instead of entering any details. This is how Red Hat is configured (ethernet connection/dhcp) and works no probs. After this, booting into MK9, internet does not work. When it is booting, the detection of eth0 fails. Running ifconfig in MK9, shows up only the lo details, and eth0 is not running. Is your RedHat 8 installation running its own DHCP server? Do you have any messages in '/var/log/messages|grep -i dhcp' on the Mandrake box? As a result, obviously no connection. Does not matter how many different ways I configure the connection through the wizard, it still does not work, even when I select ADSL, and choose DHCP. If I run ifup eth0, it fails. When I run 'ifconfig eth0 -pointopoint 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0', it brings eth0 up, but still does no good, and when I run the internet wizard, if knocks eth0 out, and puts it down again. M, the way I read the -pointopoint keyword in the docs for ifconfig, what you are doing here is attempting to set the address for the other end of the link. Now, I haven't been following this thread until now, so I'm not sure if you've been told specifically to use -pointopoint, but I don't think that this is doing what you want... When I bring up ifconfig in RH8, these are the addresses that come up: eth0 inet addr :10.0.0.1 Bcast 10.255.255.255 Mask 255.0.0.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 lo inet addr : 127.0.0.1 Mask 255.0.0.0 To me that suggests that RH is using 10.0.0.1 as gateway. If I'm wrong, please someone correct me. Here, RH is 10.0.0.1, the gateway should be the internal address of the router, which is 10.0.0.138. Please note with the above, that when running ifconfig eth0 -pointopoint 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 in mandrake, the 'UP BROADCAST RUNNING' section has a word 'NOTRAILERS' in it. Does this have a critical part to play?? This is one difference between the RH8 and MK9 ifconfig display. Google tells me that NOTRAILERS means that the interface doesn't support trailer encapsulation. Don't ask me what that means :) I don't think it is important here, however. Anne, as far as I know, the eth0's address is automatically assigned? (dhcp) and being the only device on the network in redhat, it gets an address of 10.0.0.1. The router/modems address is 10.0.0.138. I use this address (when eth0 is working) in my browser to get into the configuration of the router. This brings up the routers menu (which is web site design based) to configure everything. Forgive me from snipping from here to the end, but I think that the main problem here is DHCP. Your router needs to get its external address by DHCP from your ISP, but if it is also serving DHCP to the lan, you could have a conflict if you are also serving DHCP in Mandrake. This may not be the case, however, but I would try the following: Turn off dhcpd in Mandrake and let your nic get an IP address from the DHCP server in the router, if it has one... Otherwise, set a static IP on your nic of 10.0.0.1 and make sure that your gateway is set to 10.0.0.138 and dev eth0. I hope this helps, Kind regards, John... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
On Sunday 08 December 2002 12:54, Anne Wilson wrote: I have a table set up on my router with static IP addresses. All the machines use those static addresses, except the laptop which is set to get an address from the router. The router has a fixed address to offer that login, so it works as though it is completely using a static address, but avoids the problem of the laptop being elsewhere and causing conflict by having a static address set. It sounds crazy to mix and match like this, but seems to cause no problem. I would certainly recommend static addressing. The main argument for dhcp in small lans seems to be anonymity on the Internet - but your router's giving you that. Exactly. Third... if it aint working still... try another PCI-bus. You might have a conflict. I had that problem once. I moved the card, and all was a bliss. Well worth a try. Maybe a conflict, and sometimes some slots just don't seem to work smoothly, or seem to be picky with playmates. That was what I found. MDK nor the BIOS was telling me all was fine and Windows (yak) worked like a charm, but MDK just wouldn't configure my card. I then tried another card in another slot and all was good. Huh? I thought... I then put back my old card in the old slot... problems again. Aha I thought... moved the card to the new position and my LAN was up'n'running in no time. -- Martin L. Johansen Carpe Aptenodytes! (Seize the Penguins!) Spam will be forwared to /dev/null ... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
You cant tell me his Realtec card is not supported? I believe every Linux distro supports that chip set. Can he try loading the correct module with modprobe? -- http://www.winsweptrottweilers.com ICQ# 55846749 Registered Linux user #191829 A Cherokee Prayer: Oh Great Spirit, Help me always to speak the truth quietly, to listen with an open mind when others speak and to remember the peace that may be found in silence. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
No. I think the problem is the nic is not initialized. He said he was seeing initizing of eth0 failed error... John McQuillen wrote: Hi Greg, This is getting to be a long story, so I'll only include the essentials from previous mails... If interested, here is what is in the modems internal software: PPP (VPI 8, VCI 35) ipa ipa 150.101.208.30 255.255.0.0 eth0 10.0.0.138 255.0.0.0 loop 127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 auto DHCP domain name :lan hostname: user 10.0.0.1 Okay, we have an external address (150.101.208.30) and an Internal address (10.0.0.138). Do you have 10.0.0.138 as your default gateway on the Mandrake box? In /etc/sysconfig/network you should have 'GATEWAY=10.0.0.138' and 'GATEWAYDEV=eth0' When installing Mandrake, I have selected (when setting up net/internet) the ethernet option, and selected bootp/dhcp instead of entering any details. This is how Red Hat is configured (ethernet connection/dhcp) and works no probs. After this, booting into MK9, internet does not work. When it is booting, the detection of eth0 fails. Running ifconfig in MK9, shows up only the lo details, and eth0 is not running. Is your RedHat 8 installation running its own DHCP server? Do you have any messages in '/var/log/messages|grep -i dhcp' on the Mandrake box? As a result, obviously no connection. Does not matter how many different ways I configure the connection through the wizard, it still does not work, even when I select ADSL, and choose DHCP. If I run ifup eth0, it fails. When I run 'ifconfig eth0 -pointopoint 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0', it brings eth0 up, but still does no good, and when I run the internet wizard, if knocks eth0 out, and puts it down again. M, the way I read the -pointopoint keyword in the docs for ifconfig, what you are doing here is attempting to set the address for the other end of the link. Now, I haven't been following this thread until now, so I'm not sure if you've been told specifically to use -pointopoint, but I don't think that this is doing what you want... When I bring up ifconfig in RH8, these are the addresses that come up: eth0 inet addr :10.0.0.1 Bcast 10.255.255.255 Mask 255.0.0.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 lo inet addr : 127.0.0.1 Mask 255.0.0.0 To me that suggests that RH is using 10.0.0.1 as gateway. If I'm wrong, please someone correct me. Here, RH is 10.0.0.1, the gateway should be the internal address of the router, which is 10.0.0.138. Please note with the above, that when running ifconfig eth0 -pointopoint 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 in mandrake, the 'UP BROADCAST RUNNING' section has a word 'NOTRAILERS' in it. Does this have a critical part to play?? This is one difference between the RH8 and MK9 ifconfig display. Google tells me that NOTRAILERS means that the interface doesn't support trailer encapsulation. Don't ask me what that means :) I don't think it is important here, however. Anne, as far as I know, the eth0's address is automatically assigned? (dhcp) and being the only device on the network in redhat, it gets an address of 10.0.0.1. The router/modems address is 10.0.0.138. I use this address (when eth0 is working) in my browser to get into the configuration of the router. This brings up the routers menu (which is web site design based) to configure everything. Forgive me from snipping from here to the end, but I think that the main problem here is DHCP. Your router needs to get its external address by DHCP from your ISP, but if it is also serving DHCP to the lan, you could have a conflict if you are also serving DHCP in Mandrake. This may not be the case, however, but I would try the following: Turn off dhcpd in Mandrake and let your nic get an IP address from the DHCP server in the router, if it has one... Otherwise, set a static IP on your nic of 10.0.0.1 and make sure that your gateway is set to 10.0.0.138 and dev eth0. I hope this helps, Kind regards, John... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- http://www.winsweptrottweilers.com ICQ# 55846749 Registered Linux user #191829 A Cherokee Prayer: Oh Great Spirit, Help me always to speak the truth quietly, to listen with an open mind when others speak and to remember the peace that may be found in silence. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 23:44, Dale Kosan wrote: No. I think the problem is the nic is not initialized. He said he was seeing initizing of eth0 failed error... If the nic fails to get an address because of a dhcp error, won't initialisation of the interface fail? It's not clear from the posts the exact error message, only that on booting it fails to detect eth0. Is there an error message, or is this conclusion based on the fact that eth0 is not listed in ifconfig output after booting up? I can't find anywhere in my past logs any mention of the term initialize with a case insensitive search for my Realtek 8139 nic. I am now using an SMC USB ethernet device and I don't get initialize messages for it either. If it works in RH8, I really can't see that Mandrake 9.0 is broken to the extent that it wouldn't detect a working nic. Anyway, we won't know until we here more from Greg... By the way, I had some corrupted mail from the beginning of this thread, so I may be missing some vital information. Please forgive me if I am way off track. Regards, John... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up (OT)
- Original Message - From: Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:52:14 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] about to give up On Sunday 08 December 2002 07:39 am, you wrote: A Cherokee Prayer: Oh Great Spirit, Help me always to speak the truth quietly, to listen with an open mind when others speak and to remember the peace that may be found in silence. Totally off topic, and I apologise, but truly - I like this -- /\ Dark Lord \/ * Totally OT, replying to a totally OT, I agree, what a magnificently beautiful prayer. --Angus The noblest instinct of them all is the reverence for life.--Albert Schweitzer -- ___ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
On Sunday 08 December 2002 06:50 am, you wrote: Third... if it aint working still... try another PCI-bus. You might have a conflict. I had that problem once. I moved the card, and all was a bliss. You can do a cat /proc/interrupts and it should show if the card is causing an IRQ conflict somewhere else. It might help. -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
On Monday 09 December 2002 04:52, Joseph Braddock wrote: PCI is funny that way. Your plug and play bios and/or OS have to pick some order in which to initialize the cards. If one of the cards has a limited number of IRQs it can use and a different card grabs that IRQ first, then the limited card is stuck. Once the card is assigned an IRQ by the bios, the bios won't change it as long as that card is put in the original slot. I've usually have had this problem with various Winmodems that require a specific IRQ, but another adapter has grabbed it (doesn't matter whether running Linux or Windows). Rearranging the cards usually does the trick. Yeah, but fynny thing for me, is that in Windows it worked, and in Linux it didn't. Hmm, strange. -- Martin L. Johansen Carpe Aptenodytes! (Seize the Penguins!) Spam will be forwared to /dev/null ... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
On Sat, 2002-12-07 at 05:00, Mark Weaver wrote: David Robertson wrote: On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 11:41, Mark Weaver wrote: David, How is it that you're configuring your network and dialup settings? I've got two Mandrake 8.2 servers running. Setup network once and haven't had to touch it since. One Mandrake 9.0 server running - same thing there. My workstation at home is Mandrake 9.0 on my home LAN and again, set the Network settings when I installed the system and haven't had to reconfigure once. I dare say there's got to be something drastically different in the you and I are doing it and not something wrong with the software. Mark I have LM9.0 installed on an Asus laptop which I use between home and the office so, to be honest, it's not completely straightforward. Home connection is simple as I have ADSL through a small LAN protected by a router, so no problem there. I have that set up as my default profile in the control center. I set up a work profile with a fixed IP to my office LAN and internet connection by dial-up through a pcmcia modem.This profile just gets forgotten each time I start up and when I'm at work I have to reconfigure all the settings each time. Even after that, on trying to dial out, a connection seems to be made and then the ppp daemon dies. This happens trying control centre, kppp or gnome-ppp to connect. I have always had that particular problem with LM, even going back to 7.something when I first tried it. So I now just use wvdial and it works. I'm quite sure it is me and not the software. I just find that network settings are more difficult to configure and maintain in LM than in other distros. I also would like to be able to dial out as user and not as root each time.I have added myself to pppusers. David Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] about to give up
Hi, I am so dissapointed with the mandrake package. It has all the looks, and frills, but the system itself has failed me in one of the most critical ways. No internet! So annoying. Windows has no probs fully setup first time I boot in, with no further configuration, Red Hat the same, didn't have to touch a single setting to get it to work, but with Mandrake I have tried every possible combination known to me, and set everything as it should be, re-installed three times, with less and less packages installed to see if anything was interferring with the net connection, but no go. It looks like I will be getting rid of it for good, and reverting back to Red Hat, where I can at least use the system. If you don't know what problems I have had, just do a search for my posts internet problem mandrake 9 for an idea. I am about to go to work, but I think tomorrow, if nothing has come up and I still can't get it to work, that will be it. Unbelievable! thanks to those who have tried to help, but I can't take this anymore. regards Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
greg wrote: Hi, I am so dissapointed with the mandrake package. It has all the looks, and frills, but the system itself has failed me in one of the most critical ways. No internet! So annoying. Windows has no probs fully setup first time I boot in, with no further configuration, Red Hat the same, didn't have to touch a single setting to get it to work, but with Mandrake I have tried every possible combination known to me, and set everything as it should be, re-installed three times, with less and less packages installed to see if anything was interferring with the net connection, but no go. It looks like I will be getting rid of it for good, and reverting back to Red Hat, where I can at least use the system. If you don't know what problems I have had, just do a search for my posts internet problem mandrake 9 for an idea. I am about to go to work, but I think tomorrow, if nothing has come up and I still can't get it to work, that will be it. Unbelievable! thanks to those who have tried to help, but I can't take this anymore. regards Greg Greg, How are you trying to set this up and what kind of modem have you got in there? For the best results a hardware modem is prefered. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
I has similar problems with my Toshiba laptop until I upgraded to a PCMCIA hardware modem. Now everything works wonderfully and I spend most of my time in Mandrake Linux 9.0. I was also just able to get Ogle to play DVDs on the same machine. On Friday 06 December 2002 06:41 am, Mark Weaver wrote: greg wrote: Hi, I am so dissapointed with the mandrake package. It has all the looks, and frills, but the system itself has failed me in one of the most critical ways. No internet! So annoying. Windows has no probs fully setup first time I boot in, with no further configuration, Red Hat the same, didn't have to touch a single setting to get it to work, but with Mandrake I have tried every possible combination known to me, and set everything as it should be, re-installed three times, with less and less packages installed to see if anything was interferring with the net connection, but no go. It looks like I will be getting rid of it for good, and reverting back to Red Hat, where I can at least use the system. If you don't know what problems I have had, just do a search for my posts internet problem mandrake 9 for an idea. I am about to go to work, but I think tomorrow, if nothing has come up and I still can't get it to work, that will be it. Unbelievable! thanks to those who have tried to help, but I can't take this anymore. regards Greg Greg, How are you trying to set this up and what kind of modem have you got in there? For the best results a hardware modem is prefered. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 11:41, Mark Weaver wrote: greg wrote: Hi, I am so dissapointed with the mandrake package. It has all the looks, and frills, but the system itself has failed me in one of the most critical ways. No internet! So annoying. Windows has no probs fully setup first time I boot in, with no further configuration, Red Hat the same, didn't have to touch a single setting to get it to work, but with Mandrake I have tried every possible combination known to me, and set everything as it should be, re-installed three times, with less and less packages installed to see if anything was interferring with the net connection, but no go. It looks like I will be getting rid of it for good, and reverting back to Red Hat, where I can at least use the system. If you don't know what problems I have had, just do a search for my posts internet problem mandrake 9 for an idea. I am about to go to work, but I think tomorrow, if nothing has come up and I still can't get it to work, that will be it. Unbelievable! thanks to those who have tried to help, but I can't take this anymore. I have sympathy with you. I've used Mandrake over the years and generally like it because it tries to be pretty user-friendly and generally succeeds. That's the only way we're going to get all these Window$ users over to Linux. Now, I'm no coder so can't criticise, but Mandrake's network setup has always been their worst feature: using 9.0 now, I have to reconfigure every time I start the computer: settings for dialup access just don't get saved, nor do my lan settings. I just end up using wvdial forinternet access: simple and it works. Having said that, I do still think Mandrake is a great package: they all have their faults! David -- The only reason some people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory. (Paul Fix) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
greg wrote: Hi, I am so dissapointed with the mandrake package. It has all the looks, and frills, but the system itself has failed me in one of the most critical ways. No internet! So annoying. Windows has no probs fully setup first time I boot in, with no further configuration, Red Hat the same, didn't have to touch a single setting to get it to work, but with Mandrake I have tried every possible combination known to me, and set everything as it should be, re-installed three times, with less and less packages installed to see if anything was interferring with the net connection, but no go. It looks like I will be getting rid of it for good, and reverting back to Red Hat, where I can at least use the system. If you don't know what problems I have had, just do a search for my posts internet problem mandrake 9 for an idea. I am about to go to work, but I think tomorrow, if nothing has come up and I still can't get it to work, that will be it. Unbelievable! thanks to those who have tried to help, but I can't take this anymore. regards Greg I can readily remember nearly pulling my hair out with frustration the first time I ever tried getting M7.0 connected to my isp and and mail connection going, and mine was only a simple dialup 56k modem connection, and so I sypathise. One thing puzzles me, if you have a working redhat connection cannot you simply copy the settings. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
On Friday 06 Dec 2002 10:23 am, greg wrote: Hi, I am so dissapointed with the mandrake package. It has all the looks, and frills, but the system itself has failed me in one of the most critical ways. No internet! Greg, I've only vuagely read this thread, since I've been very busy and the problem wasn't altogether clear. First, between us we must access the internet in just about every way possible, so it obviously does work. Which leaves a mistake by you in your configuration. On Monday you said that your router's address was 10.0.0.138. On Tuesday you said eth0's address was 10.0.0.138. This seems wierd to me. eth0 is your local connection, surely? The router has an external number, seen by your isp, and I presume that this is the 10.0.0.138. You would, I would think, also need to give it a local lan number - usually 192.168.0.1 (or 192.168.1.1), with any machines referencing it on the same subnet, i.e. 192.168.0.x. This local number is the one that you must use for gateway, not the external one. This advice is based on the router/firewall box that I use. Realtek nics are probably the safest bet you could have, so that's definitely not the problem. I don't have an alcatel, but I believe there are specific packages you must install to run one. You said that you could not find the packages on the discs. Do I take it you don't have a full set of discs? Have you searched Mandrake's or Texstar's site for them? My experience, and that of many here, is that nine tenths of our problems are caused by our only-partial understanding of what is going on. We can help, but it still needs patience on your part. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
the 2 were the next 2 lines... what they say and what they do *g* took me a bit to figure it out, too --- Original Message --- From: Todd Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] about to give up On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 04:41:03PM +0100, Paul wrote: In reply to David's mail, d.d. 06 Dec 2002 11:56:42 +: Having said that, I do still think Mandrake is a great package: they all have their faults! I know Linux's faults are many And Microsoft has but two What are those, their operating systems and their software? Todd :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
I am not in a position to search the archives right now, but I'm assuming that if your modem is working under RH that it also is working under Mandrake, but you can't get anywhere on the internet. Is that correct? If so, I also assume that you have a network adapter installed. If so, most likely (I know, a lot of most likelies), you have a default gateway set or a dns server set (or both). With either one, Mandrake will not use your modem for your dns resolution (meaning you can't type www.xyz.com in your browser). Are those the correct assumptions? If so, that's good, because this has been discussed in the last few weeks on the list. I do not have access to my stuff right now, so I can't give you the specifics on how to fix it (although, I do recall that you must remove the GATEWAY= line from your /etc/net.conf, but there might be a second step, too). Please respond back with whether this is your situation or not. And if not, could you describe, one more time, your modem, the problem and what you have tried to fix it. Joeb ---Original Message--- From: greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/06/02 04:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] about to give up Hi, I am so dissapointed with the mandrake package. It has all the looks, and frills, but the system itself has failed me in one of the most critical ways. No internet! So annoying. Windows has no probs fully setup first time I boot in, with no further configuration, Red Hat the same, didn't have to touch a single setting to get it to work, but with Mandrake I have tried every possible combination known to me, and set everything as it should be, re-installed three times, with less and less packages installed to see if anything was interferring with the net connection, but no go. It looks like I will be getting rid of it for good, and reverting back to Red Hat, where I can at least use the system. If you don't know what problems I have had, just do a search for my posts internet problem mandrake 9 for an idea. I am about to go to work, but I think tomorrow, if nothing has come up and I still can't get it to work, that will be it. Unbelievable! thanks to those who have tried to help, but I can't take this anymore. regards Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
Greg, please try again. I know it feels hopeless and it took me three different installs, and the last time two plus days to get it on, but it is so worth it. I have only 8.2 but two things did happen during installs. The first few times I installed it didn't recognize my a drive or zip,or cd, well now it does...as for the internet, I am networked with my husbands, was just about to give up when found a small thing to check on the internet install and the program did all the work. I don't know much but I know you owe it to you to keep trying On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 02:23, greg wrote: Hi, I am so dissapointed with the mandrake package. It has all the looks, and frills, but the system itself has failed me in one of the most critical ways. No internet! So annoying. Windows has no probs fully setup first time I boot in, with no further configuration, Red Hat the same, didn't have to touch a single setting to get it to work, but with Mandrake I have tried every possible combination known to me, and set everything as it should be, re-installed three times, with less and less packages installed to see if anything was interferring with the net connection, but no go. It looks like I will be getting rid of it for good, and reverting back to Red Hat, where I can at least use the system. If you don't know what problems I have had, just do a search for my posts internet problem mandrake 9 for an idea. I am about to go to work, but I think tomorrow, if nothing has come up and I still can't get it to work, that will be it. Unbelievable! thanks to those who have tried to help, but I can't take this anymore. regards Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
On Sat, 2002-12-07 at 03:08, Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 04:41:03PM +0100, Paul wrote: In reply to David's mail, d.d. 06 Dec 2002 11:56:42 +: Having said that, I do still think Mandrake is a great package: they all have their faults! I know Linux's faults are many And Microsoft has but two What are those, their operating systems and their software? Todd :) The game: It's not how GOOD your OS or your software is - it's how you MARKET them... (OS/2 was more stable and stronger than Win95 - Win95 won out. BeOS was faster and more stable than Win95 or Win98, but same game. WordPerfect was rather strong and stable, but Word/Office won out. CompuServe was more intelligent and more useful, but AOL won out. Wendy's - in the US - has better food, but McD's won out...same game, over and over again - it's not product, it's marketing. MS has had bugs for 14 years and still ain't addressed the original bugs - they cover them up, or put out a new package so that you forget about the previous bugs...) -- Sat Dec 7 05:25:01 EST 2002 5:25am up 21:38, 4 users, load average: 0.02, 0.04, 0.09 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn First Bush invades my home turf, then he takes my pals, then he makes fun of the way I talk -- probably -- now he steals my right to raise a disobedient, smart-alecky son! Well, that's it! -- Homer Simpson Two Bad Neighbors Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
On Friday 06 December 2002 04:23, greg wrote: Hi, I am so dissapointed with the mandrake package. It has all the looks, and frills, but the system itself has failed me in one of the most critical ways. No internet! So annoying. Windows has no probs fully setup first time I boot in, with no further configuration, Red Hat the same, didn't have to touch a single setting to get it to work, but with Mandrake I have tried every possible combination known to me, and set everything as it should be, re-installed three times, with less and less packages installed to see if anything was interferring with the net connection, but no go. It looks like I will be getting rid of it for good, and reverting back to Red Hat, where I can at least use the system. If you don't know what problems I have had, just do a search for my posts internet problem mandrake 9 for an idea. I am about to go to work, but I think tomorrow, if nothing has come up and I still can't get it to work, that will be it. Unbelievable! thanks to those who have tried to help, but I can't take this anymore. regards Greg Dear Greg, I do not know if this helps you because I am not familiar with your modem or situation however, I am using Suse 8 now as well as Mandrake 9 and the Suse 8 discussion group has this suggestion: If you follow exactly ( and nothing more) the instructions from SuSE http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/configSpeedTouch.html it works fine. No longer need for the Benoit Papillault modules. No files to modify. I hope someone is able to help you. Good luck. Sincerely, Marcia that sounded related to your problem. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 05:30:18AM +1100, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2002-12-07 at 03:08, Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 04:41:03PM +0100, Paul wrote: In reply to David's mail, d.d. 06 Dec 2002 11:56:42 +: Having said that, I do still think Mandrake is a great package: they all have their faults! I know Linux's faults are many And Microsoft has but two What are those, their operating systems and their software? Todd :) The game: It's not how GOOD your OS or your software is - it's how you MARKET them... (OS/2 was more stable and stronger than Win95 - Win95 won out. BeOS was faster and more stable than Win95 or Win98, but same game. WordPerfect was rather strong and stable, but Word/Office won out. CompuServe was more intelligent and more useful, but AOL won out. Wendy's - in the US - has better food, but McD's won out...same game, over and over again - it's not product, it's marketing. MS has had bugs for 14 years and still ain't addressed the original bugs - they cover them up, or put out a new package so that you forget about the previous bugs...) Yes, see Everett Rogers' Diffusion of Innovations. Lots of interesting stories about why some products/ideas take and others don't. Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
On Friday 06 December 2002 05:23 am, greg wrote: Hi, I am so dissapointed with the mandrake package. It has all the looks, and frills, but the system itself has failed me in one of the most critical ways. No internet! So annoying. Windows has no probs fully setup first time I boot in, with no further configuration, Red Hat the same, didn't have to touch a single setting to get it to work, but with Mandrake I have tried every possible combination known to me, and set everything as it should be, re-installed three times, with less and less packages installed to see if anything was interferring with the net connection, but no go. It looks like I will be getting rid of it for good, and reverting back to Red Hat, where I can at least use the system. If you don't know what problems I have had, just do a search for my posts internet problem mandrake 9 for an idea. I am about to go to work, but I think tomorrow, if nothing has come up and I still can't get it to work, that will be it. Unbelievable! Did you use mandrake's easy to use wizards to get the NIC going? Or you could have use the ipconfig eth0 up to bring your nic up in case it wasn't. I never had a problem with Internet connections, mine had always been those small damn annoying problems that a x.0 version of Mandrake is infamous for. I have dropped back down to 8.2 for the time being. BTW - I like Red Hat 7.3, but hate version 8.0 -- Jose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Mandrake, Redhat and SuSE user Children - the most commonly transmitted sexual disease Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
David Robertson wrote: On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 11:41, Mark Weaver wrote: greg wrote: Hi, I am so dissapointed with the mandrake package. It has all the looks, and frills, but the system itself has failed me in one of the most critical ways. No internet! So annoying. Windows has no probs fully setup first time I boot in, with no further configuration, Red Hat the same, didn't have to touch a single setting to get it to work, but with Mandrake I have tried every possible combination known to me, and set everything as it should be, re-installed three times, with less and less packages installed to see if anything was interferring with the net connection, but no go. It looks like I will be getting rid of it for good, and reverting back to Red Hat, where I can at least use the system. If you don't know what problems I have had, just do a search for my posts internet problem mandrake 9 for an idea. I am about to go to work, but I think tomorrow, if nothing has come up and I still can't get it to work, that will be it. Unbelievable! thanks to those who have tried to help, but I can't take this anymore. I have sympathy with you. I've used Mandrake over the years and generally like it because it tries to be pretty user-friendly and generally succeeds. That's the only way we're going to get all these Window$ users over to Linux. Now, I'm no coder so can't criticise, but Mandrake's network setup has always been their worst feature: using 9.0 now, I have to reconfigure every time I start the computer: settings for dialup access just don't get saved, nor do my lan settings. I just end up using wvdial forinternet access: simple and it works. Having said that, I do still think Mandrake is a great package: they all have their faults! David David, How is it that you're configuring your network and dialup settings? I've got two Mandrake 8.2 servers running. Setup network once and haven't had to touch it since. One Mandrake 9.0 server running - same thing there. My workstation at home is Mandrake 9.0 on my home LAN and again, set the Network settings when I installed the system and haven't had to reconfigure once. I dare say there's got to be something drastically different in the you and I are doing it and not something wrong with the software. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] about to give up
On Sat, 2002-12-07 at 16:00, Mark Weaver wrote: David, How is it that you're configuring your network and dialup settings? I've got two Mandrake 8.2 servers running. Setup network once and haven't had to touch it since. One Mandrake 9.0 server running - same thing there. My workstation at home is Mandrake 9.0 on my home LAN and again, set the Network settings when I installed the system and haven't had to reconfigure once. I dare say there's got to be something drastically different in the you and I are doing it and not something wrong with the software. Mark As an observation - from someone that is very critical about their OS installs - and very fastidious about doing everything in a particular process down to a tee - I've noticed that in about two out of five installations of MDK 9 that there ARE problems with settings not staying set. I also make sure that I have correct path statements set (in the /etc/profile and the /etc/ld.so.conf) and set the KDEDIR=/usr manually (because very few distros do this anymore) and STILL have a problem. AND, dig this - those installations are going on the SAME machine - nothing changed. Nothing. Nada. The first five times I installed MDK on this workstation, I changed some things here and there just so that I could get the feel of the install. After that, though, the installations were by the book as I wanted them - and as stated, two of the five installations would NOT hold the settings properly. So, instead of all of us that know something about something throwing blame back at those less experienced, there are some things that have to be realized - there ARE problems with the MDK 9 distro and they HAVE to be fixed. There is no use going on and on about the issues, we need to be focusing on the resolutions to these issues. We have to be able to take things at face value FIRST - and be able to outline possible solutions and resolutions after that. Doesn't it really suck when you're trying to get tech support and the tech that's supposed to support you is blaming you or patronizing you? Hence the fact that we all have to work together to figure out the solutions to the current problem set. -- Sat Dec 7 17:05:00 EST 2002 5:05pm up 4:21, 4 users, load average: 0.02, 0.17, 0.17 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn ... it is easy to be blinded to the essential uselessness of them by the sense of achievement you get from getting them to work at all. In other words... their fundamental design flaws are completely hidden by their superficial design flaws. -- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, on the products of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] About to give up on SAMBA
Hi there. :) After some frustrating hours of trying to set up SAMBA, by the book, I'm now faced with SWAT telling me that neither SMBD or NMBD are running. Curious thing is that they are when I check running processes. Further..when I restart SMBD SWAT reports it as not running but it does show a connection. This lasts through one 30 second refresh period then vanishes. A check of the log files shows all this happening with the comment every time that the services are running. Getting smbclient to work isn't helping, either. Though I'm so confused now that I'm probably doing something wrong. :) Either way, this isn't particularly trivial. I'm trying to link up a couple of Winblows boxes to my Linux box as well as wipe out the Windows partition on this machine. As long as I have to keep going into Windows to file and print share the latter isn't possible and constantly rebooting isn't overly convienient, either. So...help!! Here's my config file if that helps. :) # Samba config file created using SWAT # from UNKNOWN (127.0.0.1) # Date: 2002/09/26 23:41:26 # Global parameters [global] workgroup = LINUX netbios name = DELL server string = Samba interfaces = 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0 bind interfaces only = Yes encrypt passwords = Yes root directory = / passwd chat debug = Yes syslog = 3 log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m max log size = 50 debug uid = Yes unix extensions = Yes socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 printcap name = lpstat os level = 65 preferred master = True dns proxy = No default service = global remote announce = 192.168.0.255/LINUX hosts allow = localhost, 192.168.0. 127. sync always = Yes printing = cups printer name = Printer hide dot files = No map hidden = Yes dos filetime resolution = Yes fake directory create times = Yes [public] comment = Public space with read-write access path = /home/local/samba-public read only = No guest ok = Yes [printers] comment = All Printers path = /var/spool/samba public = yes printable = yes browseable = no available = yes [John] comment = My Linux home path = /home/john read only = No [Deskjet] path = /tmp printable = Yes [homes] I know there are one or two minor problems there, but it passes all the tests. Socan someone please tell me what is happening here? :) thanks. ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] About to give up on SAMBA
John A few comments 1/ Your workgroup name is LINUX, that means the workgroup name in your Windows boxes must also be LINUX (The default workgroup for a Windows box is WORKGROUP) 2/ A lot of your statements are unnecessary. Here is part of my smb.conf [global] path = /var/spool/cups workgroup=WORKGROUP domain master = True printing = cups dns proxy = No encrypt passwords = Yes socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 printcap name = lpstat wins support = Yes max log size = 50 preferred master = True interfaces = eth0 printer = Deskjet server string = Samba Server %v comment = Deskjet netbios name = DEREK log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m load printers = yes os level = 65 3/ smbclient is a lot easier to get working than smbserver. The easiest way to test smbclient in my opinion is to install komba2. Then as soon as you start komba2 you should be able to see any Windows networks regardless of whether smbserver is actually working in your machine. You will also be able to mount shares in remote Windows computers. 4/ smbserver is not going to work until you define smb users A convenient way of adding users is to use webmin to set up samba. There is a button in webmin which will convert your Linux users unto samba users Alternatively from the root commandline smbpasswd -a username (you are then prompted for a password for the user) HTH derek On Friday 27 Sep 2002 9:54 am, John Wilson wrote: Hi there. :) After some frustrating hours of trying to set up SAMBA, by the book, I'm now faced with SWAT telling me that neither SMBD or NMBD are running. Curious thing is that they are when I check running processes. Further..when I restart SMBD SWAT reports it as not running but it does show a connection. This lasts through one 30 second refresh period then vanishes. A check of the log files shows all this happening with the comment every time that the services are running. Getting smbclient to work isn't helping, either. Though I'm so confused now that I'm probably doing something wrong. :) Either way, this isn't particularly trivial. I'm trying to link up a couple of Winblows boxes to my Linux box as well as wipe out the Windows partition on this machine. As long as I have to keep going into Windows to file and print share the latter isn't possible and constantly rebooting isn't overly convienient, either. So...help!! Here's my config file if that helps. :) # Samba config file created using SWAT # from UNKNOWN (127.0.0.1) # Date: 2002/09/26 23:41:26 # Global parameters [global] workgroup = LINUX netbios name = DELL server string = Samba interfaces = 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0 bind interfaces only = Yes encrypt passwords = Yes root directory = / passwd chat debug = Yes syslog = 3 log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m max log size = 50 debug uid = Yes unix extensions = Yes socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 printcap name = lpstat os level = 65 preferred master = True dns proxy = No default service = global remote announce = 192.168.0.255/LINUX hosts allow = localhost, 192.168.0. 127. sync always = Yes printing = cups printer name = Printer hide dot files = No map hidden = Yes dos filetime resolution = Yes fake directory create times = Yes [public] comment = Public space with read-write access path = /home/local/samba-public read only = No guest ok = Yes [printers] comment = All Printers path = /var/spool/samba public = yes printable = yes browseable = no available = yes [John] comment = My Linux home path = /home/john read only = No [Deskjet] path = /tmp printable = Yes [homes] I know there are one or two minor problems there, but it passes all the tests. Socan someone please tell me what is happening here? :) thanks. ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] About to give up.
Actually it's a new install. I originally wanted to get 7.1, but I mistakenly ordered 7.0. No big deal I've downloaded the ISO for 7.1 at work and I only have to burn the CD's yet. However, I'm finding 7.0 isn't as well behaved as I was led to believe. I absolutely LOVE the look, feel, bells and whistles that it has, but it's got some quirks that are intolerable! Example: I had Netscape Messenger running last night and was working my butt off to get it configured, (just one of the intolerable things). When I attempted to import some address books from my DOS partition I didn't have access to that dir (/mnt). Yes, that drive is correctly defined and is mounted at boot. I was able to access the drive using a File manager I just wasn't able to access the darn thing to import my addy books. Something I've done hundreds of times in RedHat. I've noticed there many similarities between RH and Mandrake. Mark On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Michael H. Collins wrote: Did You do an Upgrade? I believe I hold the record. It is thorough, but time consuming. 17.34 Hours here for an upgrade to 7.1, from 7.0 that is 2 days old. Mark Weaver wrote: I've been working on my new installation of Linux Mandrake 7.0 this evening. In fact it's been ALL evening. I started shortly after dinner this evening and it's now after midnight. At the moment I'm sitting here listing to Linux do something to my HDD's it's never done before. It's really churning away. At what I have no idea. That's something I would expect Windows to be doing when "find fast" is running...amuck! Is weird behavior and being just a general pain in the ass the norm for Mandrake? I don't remember RedHat being this difficult. That's what I cut my Linux teeth on and I had heard, mistakenly I now believe, that Mandrake is more user friendly! Mark -- Mark Never wish for anything bigger than you can carry home in your pocket. Disappointment is almost always guarrenteed. Especially if your pants don't have any pockets in them.
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Here's something wild. Last night after getting the first reply to this list about how to get fetchmail to run in the background and get the mail at a set interval someone had said something about needing a script to start it every time I bootes the machine. Well, last night I started fetchmail by typing fetchmail -d 150 and supplied the server name and password and now every time I boot my Linux box and I'm not sooner connected to the net fetchmail is off and running all by itself. I only set it that one time. I didn't think it was supposed to do that! It's the weirdest thing!! Mark Never wish for anything bigger than you can carry home in your pocket. Disappointment is almost always guarrenteed. Especially if your pants don't have any pockets in them.
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On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, you wrote:
I have mine set up as a cron job. Create a .fetchmailrc in your normal user's
home directory that will fetch mail from all your accounts, then set up a cron
job to run as that user at a specifed interval. I get lots of mail so my
interval is 4 minutes. Works great...
I use this script that runs as root, to grab all users mail
*** start ***
#!/bin/bash
run=0
# echo Starting mail download for all users
for i in `cat /etc/passwd |
awk -F : '{ print $1 " " $6}'`; do
if [ $run -eq 0 ]
then
name=$i
run=1
else
home=$i
run=0
if [ -r $home/.fetchmailrc ]
then
echo getting mail for $name
su -l -c "/usr/bin/fetchmail -s -t 500" $name
fi
fi
done
end
--
Alex
(Go easy on me, I'm a COBOL programmer in real life)
Re: [newbie] About to give up.
Thanks Chris. That sounds like a plan. Mark Never wish for anything bigger than you can carry home in your pocket. Disappointment is almost always guarrenteed. Especially if your pants don't have any pockets in them. On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Necrotica wrote: Yes. You can set up fetchmail to run as a cron job, which will fetch your mail at a specified interval (which is nice if you telnet into your machine from a remote location to check your mail). If you just want to check in when you're logged in locally under X there are numerous ways to do it. KDE has an applet, but I forget what its called (I use Gnome). Gnome has a mail check applet that you can add to your taskbar. You can also run gkrellm (a very nice system monitor) to fetch it for you too. I have mine set up as a cron job. Create a .fetchmailrc in your normal user's home directory that will fetch mail from all your accounts, then set up a cron job to run as that user at a specifed interval. I get lots of mail so my interval is 4 minutes. Works great... -Chris On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, you wrote: I'm curious about something. Is it possible to get fetchmail to automatically check your pop3 server and fetch the mail on the server when one boots up and Xwindows starts? I'm finding that programs like Pine and fetchmail are so much faster and efficient than the GUI based programs at taking care of most e-mail. Mark Never wish for anything bigger than you can carry home in your pocket. Disappointment is almost always guarrenteed. Especially if your pants don't have any pockets in them. On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Everett wrote: To those who helped THANKS! I found the problem. When I installed mandrake 7.0 it did not install procmail. I installed procmail and all is fine. - Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ - Original Message - From: Everette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 11:40 PM Subject: [newbie] About to give up. Hello again I'm going to try this one last time before I give up. A few months back I bought linux-mandrake 6.1 I installed a few progams one being qpopper mail server, It worked fine. A few weeks ago I downloaded and installed mandrake 7.0 I did a complete install doing away with every thing I setup in 6.1 includeing qpopper. Well it looked like every thing setup OK so I reinstalled qpopper but it want work now in fact I tried some other mail server software and can't get any of thm to work. When I use telnet it logs onto the mail server fine and tells me I have 0 massages, my mail client software logs in fine but tell's me I have no new massages this afther I have sent about 20 or 30 test mail to it. Please if any one has any idea what's going on please let me know I am about to give up. Thanks
Re: [newbie] About to give up.
My fetchmail does not need a cron job, one can set the interval for checking in fetchmail itself. Necrotica wrote: Yes. You can set up fetchmail to run as a cron job, which will fetch your mail at a specified interval (which is nice if you telnet into your machine from a remote location to check your mail). If you just want to check in when you're logged in locally under X there are numerous ways to do it. KDE has an applet, but I forget what its called (I use Gnome). Gnome has a mail check applet that you can add to your taskbar. You can also run gkrellm (a very nice system monitor) to fetch it for you too. I have mine set up as a cron job. Create a .fetchmailrc in your normal user's home directory that will fetch mail from all your accounts, then set up a cron job to run as that user at a specifed interval. I get lots of mail so my interval is 4 minutes. Works great... -Chris On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, you wrote: I'm curious about something. Is it possible to get fetchmail to automatically check your pop3 server and fetch the mail on the server when one boots up and Xwindows starts? I'm finding that programs like Pine and fetchmail are so much faster and efficient than the GUI based programs at taking care of most e-mail. Mark Never wish for anything bigger than you can carry home in your pocket. Disappointment is almost always guarrenteed. Especially if your pants don't have any pockets in them. On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Everett wrote: To those who helped THANKS! I found the problem. When I installed mandrake 7.0 it did not install procmail. I installed procmail and all is fine. - Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ - Original Message - From: Everette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 11:40 PM Subject: [newbie] About to give up. Hello again I'm going to try this one last time before I give up. A few months back I bought linux-mandrake 6.1 I installed a few progams one being qpopper mail server, It worked fine. A few weeks ago I downloaded and installed mandrake 7.0 I did a complete install doing away with every thing I setup in 6.1 includeing qpopper. Well it looked like every thing setup OK so I reinstalled qpopper but it want work now in fact I tried some other mail server software and can't get any of thm to work. When I use telnet it logs onto the mail server fine and tells me I have 0 massages, my mail client software logs in fine but tell's me I have no new massages this afther I have sent about 20 or 30 test mail to it. Please if any one has any idea what's going on please let me know I am about to give up. Thanks -- Michael H. Collins http://www.linuxlink.com Admiral of OpenSourcery Penguinista Navy All Things French.. Mandrake and XFCE Fun with the Austin Linux group http://www.austinlug.org Need a Real Texas Radio Fix?http://www.texasrebelradio.com
Re: [newbie] About to give up.
...if you run it as a daemon. I, however, don't want the overhead of YADR (yet another daemon running). -Chris On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Michael H. Collins wrote: My fetchmail does not need a cron job, one can set the interval for checking in fetchmail itself. Necrotica wrote: Yes. You can set up fetchmail to run as a cron job, which will fetch your mail at a specified interval (which is nice if you telnet into your machine from a remote location to check your mail). If you just want to check in when you're logged in locally under X there are numerous ways to do it. KDE has an applet, but I forget what its called (I use Gnome). Gnome has a mail check applet that you can add to your taskbar. You can also run gkrellm (a very nice system monitor) to fetch it for you too. I have mine set up as a cron job. Create a .fetchmailrc in your normal user's home directory that will fetch mail from all your accounts, then set up a cron job to run as that user at a specifed interval. I get lots of mail so my interval is 4 minutes. Works great... -Chris On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, you wrote: I'm curious about something. Is it possible to get fetchmail to automatically check your pop3 server and fetch the mail on the server when one boots up and Xwindows starts? I'm finding that programs like Pine and fetchmail are so much faster and efficient than the GUI based programs at taking care of most e-mail. Mark Never wish for anything bigger than you can carry home in your pocket. Disappointment is almost always guarrenteed. Especially if your pants don't have any pockets in them. On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Everett wrote: To those who helped THANKS! I found the problem. When I installed mandrake 7.0 it did not install procmail. I installed procmail and all is fine. - Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ - Original Message - From: Everette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 11:40 PM Subject: [newbie] About to give up. Hello again I'm going to try this one last time before I give up. A few months back I bought linux-mandrake 6.1 I installed a few progams one being qpopper mail server, It worked fine. A few weeks ago I downloaded and installed mandrake 7.0 I did a complete install doing away with every thing I setup in 6.1 includeing qpopper. Well it looked like every thing setup OK so I reinstalled qpopper but it want work now in fact I tried some other mail server software and can't get any of thm to work. When I use telnet it logs onto the mail server fine and tells me I have 0 massages, my mail client software logs in fine but tell's me I have no new massages this afther I have sent about 20 or 30 test mail to it. Please if any one has any idea what's going on please let me know I am about to give up. Thanks
Re: [newbie] About to give up.
"Michael H. Collins" wrote: My fetchmail does not need a cron job, one can set the interval for checking in fetchmail itself. How does one accomplish this? -- Mark I love my Linux box... My Linux Box ROCKS!
Re: [newbie] About to give up.
On 15 Jun, Mark Weaver wrote: "Michael H. Collins" wrote: My fetchmail does not need a cron job, one can set the interval for checking in fetchmail itself. How does one accomplish this? fetchmail -d fetchmail -help is also useful. L -- Laurent Duperval "Montreal winters are an intelligence test, U|Force - Java Center and we who are here have failed it." Phone: (514) 282-8484 ext. 228 -Doug Camilli mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Penguin Power!
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From "man fetchmail": DAEMON MODE The --daemon or -d option runs fetchmail in daemon mode. You must specify a numeric argument which is a polling interval in seconds. In daemon mode, fetchmail puts itself in background and runs forever, query ing each specified host and then sleeping for the given polling interval. Simply invoking fetchmail -d 900 will, therefore, poll all the hosts described in your ~/.fetchmailrc file (except those explicitly excluded with the `skip' verb) once every fifteen minutes. It is possible to set a polling interval in your ~/.fetchmailrc file by say ing `set daemon interval', where interval is an integer number of sec onds. If you do this, fetchmail will always start in daemon mode unless you override it with the command-line option --daemon 0 or -d0. Mark Weaver wrote: "Michael H. Collins" wrote: My fetchmail does not need a cron job, one can set the interval for checking in fetchmail itself. How does one accomplish this? -- Mark I love my Linux box... My Linux Box ROCKS! -- Michael H. Collins http://www.linuxlink.com Admiral of OpenSourcery Penguinista Navy All Things French.. Mandrake and XFCE Fun with the Austin Linux group http://www.austinlug.org Need a Real Texas Radio Fix?http://www.texasrebelradio.com
Re: [newbie] About to give up.
Type in telnet themachineyou'reworkingon 25 (Wait a few seconds then type (not a typo below)) HELO themachineyou'reworkingon It should say pleased to meet you ect ect. If it does not say pleased to meet you then sendmail is not configured properly and that is what's giving you hell. As for qpopper, I've never used it (gnu-pop3d is my drug of choice), but the behaviour you're describing could be sendmail related. -David Talbot At 11:40 PM 6/13/00 -0400, you wrote: Hello again I'm going to try this one last time before I give up. A few months back I bought linux-mandrake 6.1 I installed a few progams one being qpopper mail server, It worked fine. A few weeks ago I downloaded and installed mandrake 7.0 I did a complete install doing away with every thing I setup in 6.1 includeing qpopper. Well it looked like every thing setup OK so I reinstalled qpopper but it want work now in fact I tried some other mail server software and can't get any of thm to work. When I use telnet it logs onto the mail server fine and tells me I have 0 massages, my mail client software logs in fine but tell's me I have no new massages this afther I have sent about 20 or 30 test mail to it. Please if any one has any idea what's going on please let me know I am about to give up. Thanks
Re: [newbie] About to give up.
At 11:40 PM 6/13/00 -0400, you wrote: Hello again I'm going to try this one last time before I give up. A few months back I bought linux-mandrake 6.1 I installed a few progams one being qpopper mail server, It worked fine. A few weeks ago I downloaded and installed mandrake 7.0 I did a complete install doing away with every thing I setup in 6.1 includeing qpopper. Well it looked like every thing setup OK so I reinstalled qpopper but it want work now in fact I tried some other mail server software and can't get any of thm to work. When I use telnet it logs onto the mail server fine and tells me I have 0 massages, my mail client software logs in fine but tell's me I have no new massages this afther I have sent about 20 or 30 test mail to it. Please if any one has any idea what's going on please let me know I am about to give up. Thanks Are you getting any error messages? Are you sure the test messages are getting through? - have a look in/var/log/maillog, what do you see? Is sendmail getting them off your machine? Give us some more info! Peace! Glyn M -- ** * "The soul is greater than the hum of its parts. " * * Douglas Hoftstatder* **
Re: [newbie] About to give up.
I'm curious about something. Is it possible to get fetchmail to automatically check your pop3 server and fetch the mail on the server when one boots up and Xwindows starts? I'm finding that programs like Pine and fetchmail are so much faster and efficient than the GUI based programs at taking care of most e-mail. Mark Never wish for anything bigger than you can carry home in your pocket. Disappointment is almost always guarrenteed. Especially if your pants don't have any pockets in them. On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Everett wrote: To those who helped THANKS! I found the problem. When I installed mandrake 7.0 it did not install procmail. I installed procmail and all is fine. - Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ - Original Message - From: Everette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 11:40 PM Subject: [newbie] About to give up. Hello again I'm going to try this one last time before I give up. A few months back I bought linux-mandrake 6.1 I installed a few progams one being qpopper mail server, It worked fine. A few weeks ago I downloaded and installed mandrake 7.0 I did a complete install doing away with every thing I setup in 6.1 includeing qpopper. Well it looked like every thing setup OK so I reinstalled qpopper but it want work now in fact I tried some other mail server software and can't get any of thm to work. When I use telnet it logs onto the mail server fine and tells me I have 0 massages, my mail client software logs in fine but tell's me I have no new massages this afther I have sent about 20 or 30 test mail to it. Please if any one has any idea what's going on please let me know I am about to give up. Thanks
Re: [newbie] About to give up.
Yes. You can set up fetchmail to run as a cron job, which will fetch your mail at a specified interval (which is nice if you telnet into your machine from a remote location to check your mail). If you just want to check in when you're logged in locally under X there are numerous ways to do it. KDE has an applet, but I forget what its called (I use Gnome). Gnome has a mail check applet that you can add to your taskbar. You can also run gkrellm (a very nice system monitor) to fetch it for you too. I have mine set up as a cron job. Create a .fetchmailrc in your normal user's home directory that will fetch mail from all your accounts, then set up a cron job to run as that user at a specifed interval. I get lots of mail so my interval is 4 minutes. Works great... -Chris On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, you wrote: I'm curious about something. Is it possible to get fetchmail to automatically check your pop3 server and fetch the mail on the server when one boots up and Xwindows starts? I'm finding that programs like Pine and fetchmail are so much faster and efficient than the GUI based programs at taking care of most e-mail. Mark Never wish for anything bigger than you can carry home in your pocket. Disappointment is almost always guarrenteed. Especially if your pants don't have any pockets in them. On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Everett wrote: To those who helped THANKS! I found the problem. When I installed mandrake 7.0 it did not install procmail. I installed procmail and all is fine. - Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ - Original Message - From: Everette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 11:40 PM Subject: [newbie] About to give up. Hello again I'm going to try this one last time before I give up. A few months back I bought linux-mandrake 6.1 I installed a few progams one being qpopper mail server, It worked fine. A few weeks ago I downloaded and installed mandrake 7.0 I did a complete install doing away with every thing I setup in 6.1 includeing qpopper. Well it looked like every thing setup OK so I reinstalled qpopper but it want work now in fact I tried some other mail server software and can't get any of thm to work. When I use telnet it logs onto the mail server fine and tells me I have 0 massages, my mail client software logs in fine but tell's me I have no new massages this afther I have sent about 20 or 30 test mail to it. Please if any one has any idea what's going on please let me know I am about to give up. Thanks
[newbie] About to give up.
Hello again I'm going to try this one last time before I give up. A few months back I bought linux-mandrake 6.1 I installed a few progams one being qpopper mail server, It worked fine. A few weeks ago I downloaded and installed mandrake 7.0 I did a complete install doing away with every thing I setup in 6.1 includeing qpopper. Well it looked like every thing setup OK so I reinstalled qpopper but it want work now in fact I tried some other mail server software and can't get any of thm to work. When I use telnet it logs onto the mail server fine and tells me I have 0 massages, my mail client software logs in fine but tell's me I have no new massages this afther I have sent about 20 or 30 test mail to it. Please if any one has any idea what's going on please let me know I am about to give up. Thanks
Re: [newbie] About to give up.
On 13 Jun 00, at 23:40, Everette wrote: Well it looked like every thing setup OK so I reinstalled qpopper but it want work now in fact I tried some other mail server software and can't get any of thm to work. A better option to qpopper and faster is fetchmail. It is usually installed by default. At a terminal window, type fetchmailconf. a prety self explanatory GUI will crop up. Should get you popping mails from all over. When I use telnet it logs onto the mail server fine and tells me I have 0 massages, my mail client software logs in fine but tell's me I have no new massages this afther I have sent about 20 or 30 test mail to it. Now this is something else. Probably your account does have 0 messages. Does Netscape Messenger see any messages there? You say you've sent 20-30 mails to it, but are they really reaching it? Check. Use a dedicated mail client like balsa,kmail, netscape messenger, spruce...while you are setting up the perfect mail combination for yourself. === Sthitaprajna @mailandnews.com === Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something - Westley of "The Princess Bride"
