Re: [newbie] [OT] usb electric shock while connecting is shutting down computer

[Philippe Landau]

Aron Smith wrote:
On Wednesday 06 April 2005 01:10 pm, Philippe Landau wrote:
Miark wrote:
Try connecting the USB cable _before_ you plug in the external
drive's power supply.
thanks a lot for all the expertly advice, Joe, Mikkel, Miark and jdow.
it looks like the external case is leaking power to USB,
because it happens even when its power switch is off,
but so far not when i disconnect it from electricity.
i will visit my electrician friend and see what he can measure :-)
Tell him to look for ground loops
Take a multimeter set it on voltage with the mouse unplugged measure between 
the computer and the external drive case to case if there is *ANY* voltage 
potential between the two you have an improperly wired power supply most 
likely on the external drive
Get this fixed asap it is dangerous
that was excellent advice, thank you, Aron and the other helpers.
my friend measured voltage flowing through usb to the ground
while the harddisk case was connected but off.
i was disappointed to have to pressure the large dealer
to let me buy a replacement
(a different, slightly more expensive model:
maxtor onetouch 2, heavy, unpolished sharp edge, fanless, quiet);
he only wanted to ship the case to the manufacturer for repair ...
i cited the experts from the mandrake list and succeeded :-)
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Re: [newbie] [OT] usb electric shock while connecting is shutting down computer

[Aron Smith]

On Wednesday 06 April 2005 01:10 pm, Philippe Landau wrote:
> Miark wrote:
> > Try connecting the USB cable _before_ you plug in the external
> > drive's power supply.
>
> thanks a lot for all the expertly advice, Joe, Mikkel, Miark and jdow.
> it looks like the external case is leaking power to USB,
> because it happens even when its power switch is off,
> but so far not when i disconnect it from electricity.
> i will visit my electrician friend and see what he can measure :-)
Tell him to look for ground loops
Take a multimeter set it on voltage with the mouse unplugged measure between 
the computer and the external drive case to case if there is *ANY* voltage 
potential between the two you have an improperly wired power supply most 
likely on the external drive
Get this fixed asap it is dangerous
>
> kind regards philippe


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Re: [newbie] [OT] usb electric shock while connecting is shutting down computer

[Philippe Landau]

Miark wrote:
Try connecting the USB cable _before_ you plug in the external
drive's power supply.
thanks a lot for all the expertly advice, Joe, Mikkel, Miark and jdow.
it looks like the external case is leaking power to USB,
because it happens even when its power switch is off,
but so far not when i disconnect it from electricity.
i will visit my electrician friend and see what he can measure :-)
kind regards philippe


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Re: [newbie] [OT] usb electric shock while connecting is shutting down computer

[jdow]

From: "Philippe Landau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> when i plug in my new Data-Tec D350U USB 2 external harddisk,
> i see a small electric flash which can cause
> my PC to shutdown instantly.
> i know USB is powered, carrying a small voltage,
> so the flash is not unexpected.
> also as it is used to send control signals
> i can understand that it powers down my PC.
> but it is risky for my data,
> so i would like to know if others saw that happen too.
> 
> kind regards philippe

Did you discharge static electricity before plugging in the USB connector?
The flash is NOT expected. There's not really enough current that should
be drawn to create such a flash.
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Re: [newbie] [OT] usb electric shock while connecting is shutting down computer

[Miark]

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:23:03 +0200, Philippe wrote:

> when i plug in my new Data-Tec D350U USB 2 external harddisk,
> i see a small electric flash which can cause
> my PC to shutdown instantly.
> i know USB is powered, carrying a small voltage,
> so the flash is not unexpected.
> also as it is used to send control signals
> i can understand that it powers down my PC.
> but it is risky for my data,
> so i would like to know if others saw that happen too.

Try connecting the USB cable _before_ you plug in the external
drive's power supply.

Miark


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Re: [newbie] [OT] usb electric shock while connecting is shutting down computer

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Philippe Landau wrote:
when i plug in my new Data-Tec D350U USB 2 external harddisk,
i see a small electric flash which can cause
my PC to shutdown instantly.
i know USB is powered, carrying a small voltage,
so the flash is not unexpected.
also as it is used to send control signals
i can understand that it powers down my PC.
but it is risky for my data,
so i would like to know if others saw that happen too.
kind regards philippe
This sounds more like a static discharge or a bad ground then anything 
normal. You should not see any flash when you plug in a USB device. The 
USB connector does have 2 pins for power, but these make connection 
after the grounded body of the plug is making contact with the USB 
socket, so even if there were a spark, you would not see it.

One thing that can cause problems is if you have a separate power 
connection for your USB hard drive, and the power supply for it, and the 
one for the computer, as plugged into different wall outlets. By this, I 
mean outlets located at different points on the wall, or workbench. If 
they are on different circuits, and take different paths back to the 
electrical box, you can end up with different "ground" levels on the two 
outlets. The difference is usually not that great, but a 2 volt 
difference means a lot to computers. The problem is worse if you do not 
have properly grounded outlets.

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Re: [newbie] [OT] usb electric shock while connecting is shutting down computer

[Joe Mecklin]

assuming (i know that's a dangerous practice) the
case/motherboard/power supply are all properly designed, the grounding
will be builtin such that you really don't have to worry about it, but
here are some things to look for:

the power supply will have a black wire as part of its wiring harness
for each connector; this will be the grounding lead that keeps the
power "common" with the surrounding metal so those "flashes" are
dissipated before they can do damage.

about the only things you can check on the motherboard are that the
mounting screws are tight/snug, and that all cards/connectors are
firmly seated.

the case is basically the same as the motherboard in this particular
scenario, in that the only things to check are the tightness of the
mounting hardware and any connectors to indicator
lights/usb/firewire/com/lp/etc plugs.


On Apr 6, 2005 7:06 AM, Philippe Landau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joe Mecklin wrote:
> > from your description it would appear you have a grounding problem
> > with your pc, or a defective hard drive.  the electric flash as you
> > plug it in (before the system can recognize/initialize it) should not
> > be a control signal per se, but rather is likely extraneous current
> > that improper grounding is letting reach circuitry it shouldn't.
> that is possible.
> do you connect the case of your PC to the power unit ?
> could the grounding problem be on the side of the harddisk enclosure ?
> i really don't understand these simple electrical issues.
> 
> kind regards philippe
> 
> --
> 
> > On Apr 6, 2005 6:23 AM, Philippe Landau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>when i plug in my new Data-Tec D350U USB 2 external harddisk,
> >>i see a small electric flash which can cause
> >>my PC to shutdown instantly.
> >>i know USB is powered, carrying a small voltage,
> >>so the flash is not unexpected.
> >>also as it is used to send control signals
> >>i can understand that it powers down my PC.
> >>but it is risky for my data,
> >>so i would like to know if others saw that happen too.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [newbie] [OT] usb electric shock while connecting is shutting down computer

[Philippe Landau]

Joe Mecklin wrote:
from your description it would appear you have a grounding problem
with your pc, or a defective hard drive.  the electric flash as you
plug it in (before the system can recognize/initialize it) should not
be a control signal per se, but rather is likely extraneous current
that improper grounding is letting reach circuitry it shouldn't.
that is possible.
do you connect the case of your PC to the power unit ?
could the grounding problem be on the side of the harddisk enclosure ?
i really don't understand these simple electrical issues.
kind regards philippe
--
On Apr 6, 2005 6:23 AM, Philippe Landau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
when i plug in my new Data-Tec D350U USB 2 external harddisk,
i see a small electric flash which can cause
my PC to shutdown instantly.
i know USB is powered, carrying a small voltage,
so the flash is not unexpected.
also as it is used to send control signals
i can understand that it powers down my PC.
but it is risky for my data,
so i would like to know if others saw that happen too.


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Re: [newbie] [OT] usb electric shock while connecting is shutting down computer

[Joe Mecklin]

from your description it would appear you have a grounding problem
with your pc, or a defective hard drive.  the electric flash as you
plug it in (before the system can recognize/initialize it) should not
be a control signal per se, but rather is likely extraneous current
that improper grounding is letting reach circuitry it shouldn't.


On Apr 6, 2005 6:23 AM, Philippe Landau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> when i plug in my new Data-Tec D350U USB 2 external harddisk,
> i see a small electric flash which can cause
> my PC to shutdown instantly.
> i know USB is powered, carrying a small voltage,
> so the flash is not unexpected.
> also as it is used to send control signals
> i can understand that it powers down my PC.
> but it is risky for my data,
> so i would like to know if others saw that happen too.
> 
> kind regards philippe
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [newbie] OT - OOo in Windows

[Anne Wilson]

On Saturday 26 Mar 2005 14:35, Mr. Geek wrote:
> Anne; Take a look at the title bar in OpenOffice. Go to
> Tools>Options>OpenOffice.org, and open that section. Look for a
> subsection called "External Programs" and change the settings to match
> your preferences.
>
> I know you have to be logged in as the specific user (your daughter in
> this case) for the changes to be applied to her desktop and to her
> instance of OpenOffice.
>
Yes, I found that.  I really wanted to be able to switch it off.

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Re: [newbie] OT - OOo in Windows

[julie]

On Saturday, March 26, 2005, Anne Wilson wrote:
> Sorry for this, but I need some urgent help.  Tomorrow I have to install OOo 
> under Windows for my daughter.  I'm trying to woo her, kicking and 
screaming, 
> from her use of Lotus WordPro.  I've installed it here under Win4Lin so that 
> I can look it over.  The problem I've found is that clicking on a url or 
> email address makes it attempt to launch IE or OE, even if you are only 
> trying to edit it.  She'll never cope with that - she'll just abandon it.  I 
> can't see how to turn this off.  I'm sure it must be possible.  Can anyone 
> help me, please.
> 
> Anne


Try looking under Tools -> Auto Correct/Auto Format -> Auto Correct -> Options

Then un-check the boxes for URL Recognition. No guarantees, I haven't tried it 
since I installed MDK 10.1 a week ago.

It is, indeed, a nuisance when all you want to do is correct a typo or some 
such and have the browser pop up.

Julie Owens


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Re: [newbie] OT - OOo in Windows

[Mr. Geek]

Anne Wilson wrote:
Sorry for this, but I need some urgent help.  Tomorrow I have to install OOo 
under Windows for my daughter.  I'm trying to woo her, kicking and screaming, 
from her use of Lotus WordPro.  I've installed it here under Win4Lin so that 
I can look it over.  The problem I've found is that clicking on a url or 
email address makes it attempt to launch IE or OE, even if you are only 
trying to edit it.  She'll never cope with that - she'll just abandon it.  I 
can't see how to turn this off.  I'm sure it must be possible.  Can anyone 
help me, please.

Anne
Anne; Take a look at the title bar in OpenOffice. Go to
Tools>Options>OpenOffice.org, and open that section. Look for a
subsection called "External Programs" and change the settings to match
your preferences.
I know you have to be logged in as the specific user (your daughter in
this case) for the changes to be applied to her desktop and to her
instance of OpenOffice.
__
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Re: [newbie] OT - OOo in Windows

[Anne Wilson]

On Saturday 26 Mar 2005 14:00, SnapafunFrank wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
> >Sorry for this, but I need some urgent help.  Tomorrow I have to install
> > OOo under Windows for my daughter.  I'm trying to woo her, kicking and
> > screaming, from her use of Lotus WordPro.  I've installed it here under
> > Win4Lin so that I can look it over.  The problem I've found is that
> > clicking on a url or email address makes it attempt to launch IE or OE,
> > even if you are only trying to edit it.  She'll never cope with that -
> > she'll just abandon it.  I can't see how to turn this off.  I'm sure it
> > must be possible.  Can anyone help me, please.
> >
> >Anne
>
> Tools>>Options>>OpenOffice.org>>External Programs
>
> Set things here and you are able to browse to your preferred program
> .exe files.
>
That makes sense.  I don't have Moz installed under win4lin, but I shall be 
able to point it at that on her box.  I've had her on Moz for years.  I'd 
rather shut it off, though, if possible.  I think it will drive her mad.

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Re: [newbie] OT - OOo in Windows

[SnapafunFrank]

Anne Wilson wrote:
Sorry for this, but I need some urgent help.  Tomorrow I have to install OOo 
under Windows for my daughter.  I'm trying to woo her, kicking and screaming, 
from her use of Lotus WordPro.  I've installed it here under Win4Lin so that 
I can look it over.  The problem I've found is that clicking on a url or 
email address makes it attempt to launch IE or OE, even if you are only 
trying to edit it.  She'll never cope with that - she'll just abandon it.  I 
can't see how to turn this off.  I'm sure it must be possible.  Can anyone 
help me, please.

Anne
 

Tools>>Options>>OpenOffice.org>>External Programs
Set things here and you are able to browse to your preferred program 
.exe files.

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Re: [newbie] OT: How to mount a Windows partition ~ OOps ~ error ~ tar clf - . | ( umask 0; cd /mnt2; tar xvf - )

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

SnapafunFrank wrote:
riccardo wrote:
On Tuesday 22 March 2005 06:22 pm, David Anderson wrote:
 

I want to be able to mount hda1 and sda1 and copy files from one to
the other
  

~ if, I get the drift . . . you have booted from CD and neither hda1 
nor sda1 are mounted?


So ~ make an extra mount point/directory called, say :  /mnt2
[ say your file systems are Reiser type ]
__
mount -t reiser /dev/hda1 /mnt
next:
mount  -t reiser /dev/sda1 /mnt2
then, cd to /mnt
finally, as root, give the command :
tar clf - . | ( umask 0; cd /mnt2; tar xvf - )
..
best rgds
_
 

Sorry to butt in here, and I am only a newbie so treat my thoughts with 
caution, but would not hda actually refer to the cd itself in this case?
Can't remember, but I did have some like type issue when I last did a 
hard drive back up this way. Remember having to use some other
commands to actually see the hard drive in the finish. Still, Mephis may 
be more friendly this way, so to check it out do attempt to look inside
the partition to see whether or not you recognize any of your window files.

Now off to study riccardo's commands to see what I can learn from them.
hda - Master device on first IDE interface (ide0)
hdb - Slave device on first IDE interface (ide1)
hdc - Master device on second IDE interface (ide2)
hdd - Slave device on second IDE interface (ide3)
hde - Master device on third IDE interface
hdf - Slave device on third IDE interface
...
Depending on your BIOS, it may only have numbers for the devices on the 
first two IDE interfaces.  The sirst IDE interface is sometimes called 
the primary and the second one the secondary IDE interface.

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Re: [newbie] OT: How to mount a Windows partition ~ OOps ~ error ~ tar clf - . | ( umask 0; cd /mnt2; tar xvf - )

[SnapafunFrank]

riccardo wrote:
On Tuesday 22 March 2005 06:22 pm, David Anderson wrote:
 

I want to be able to mount hda1 and sda1 and copy files from one to
the other
   


~ if, I get the drift . . . you have booted from CD and neither hda1 
nor sda1 are mounted?


So ~ make an extra mount point/directory called, say :  /mnt2
[ say your file systems are Reiser type ]
__
mount -t reiser /dev/hda1 /mnt
next:
mount  -t reiser /dev/sda1 /mnt2
then, cd to /mnt
finally, as root, give the command :
tar clf - . | ( umask 0; cd /mnt2; tar xvf - )
..
best rgds
_
 

Sorry to butt in here, and I am only a newbie so treat my thoughts with 
caution, but would not hda actually refer to the cd itself in this case?
Can't remember, but I did have some like type issue when I last did a 
hard drive back up this way. Remember having to use some other
commands to actually see the hard drive in the finish. Still, Mephis may 
be more friendly this way, so to check it out do attempt to look inside
the partition to see whether or not you recognize any of your window files.

Now off to study riccardo's commands to see what I can learn from them.
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Re: [newbie] OT: How to mount a Windows partition

[riccardo]

On Tuesday 22 March 2005 06:22 pm, David Anderson wrote:
> I want to be able to mount hda1 and sda1 and copy files from one to
> the other


 ~ if, I get the drift . . . you have booted from CD and neither hda1 
nor sda1 are mounted?



 So ~ make an extra mount point/directory called, say :  /mnt2

 [ say your file systems are Reiser type ]
__

 mount -t reiser /dev/hda1 /mnt
 next:
mount  -t reiser /dev/sda1 /mnt2

then, cd to /mnt

finally, as root, give the command :

tar clf - . | ( umask 0; cd /mnt; tar xvf - )

..

best rgds
_



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Re: [newbie] OT humour

[jdow]

From: "Aron Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Tuesday 22 February 2005 09:31 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > If this is old I apologise but it's new to me.
> > http://nolte-net.de/en/article/unix_hotline.html
> I like the one on their site which will make sense if you are an 
> Abbot & Costello fan
> Unix tech support

==8<--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# what
-bash: what: command not found
==8<--

We have identified a major error in Mandrake. The missing "what" command
must be replaced soonest or I'll have to do something drastic like turn
my firewall machine into a Windows machine.

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Re: [newbie] OT humour

[Aron Smith]

On Tuesday 22 February 2005 09:31 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> If this is old I apologise but it's new to me.
> http://nolte-net.de/en/article/unix_hotline.html
I like the one on their site which will make sense if you are an 
Abbot & Costello fan
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Re: [newbie] OT humour

[Aron Smith]

On Tuesday 22 February 2005 09:31 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> If this is old I apologise but it's new to me.
> http://nolte-net.de/en/article/unix_hotline.html
LOL post it to the OT list they could use some humor around now ;-)
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Re: [newbie] [OT]10 Gmail Invites

[Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas]

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On Thursday 17 February 2005 04:33, Amy wrote:
> Let me know if the original 10 offered are gone, I've got more than I
> can ever give out, and will be more than happy to share. ^_^
>


Why don´t you all get rid of these gmail invites at the site:

http://isnoope.net/gmail

but see this, as of today!

[snip]
Currently, we have 269,881 invites available to share. Thanks to the 
generosity of folks like you, we've distributed 313,948 invites since this 
page went up on Sep 13, 2004.
[snip]

AND:

Now that you've gotten your very own Gmail account, please return the favor by 
sending invites back to [EMAIL PROTECTED] when you get them.

That´s the way I got my invite and got rid of all the ´spare´ ones!!

HTH,

Ricardo Castanho
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Re: [newbie] OT websites

[et]

On Thursday 17 February 2005 04:01 am, Inhabitant of Zion wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have a server here at home that I mess around with running a none
> too interesting family site :-)
>
> I have a second site that i would like to get up and running.
>
> I was wondering if its possible to run two totally separate websites
> from one server on the same IP.
>
> Cheers
sure is, just use webmin to set up a name based virtual host.
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Re: [newbie] [OT]10 Gmail Invites

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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:09:57 +1300, Rosemary McGillicuddy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:11, Greg Meyer wrote:
> > On Tuesday 15 February 2005 09:03 am, Jamie Kerwick wrote:
> > > Hi there,
> > >
> > > I have 10 gmail invites going spare, so if you would like on just
> > > email me (reply off list please.)
> > > 1st come 1st served.
> >
> > Those things are gettng harder and harder to give away.
> 
> I know someone who might be interested if there's one going spare ...
> 
> cheers
> Rosemary
Let me know if the original 10 offered are gone, I've got more than I
can ever give out, and will be more than happy to share. ^_^

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Re: [newbie] [OT]10 Gmail Invites

[Rosemary McGillicuddy]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:11, Greg Meyer wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 February 2005 09:03 am, Jamie Kerwick wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I have 10 gmail invites going spare, so if you would like on just
> > email me (reply off list please.)
> > 1st come 1st served.
>
> Those things are gettng harder and harder to give away.

I know someone who might be interested if there's one going spare ...

cheers
Rosemary


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Re: [newbie] [OT]10 Gmail Invites

[Greg Meyer]

On Tuesday 15 February 2005 09:03 am, Jamie Kerwick wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I have 10 gmail invites going spare, so if you would like on just
> email me (reply off list please.)
> 1st come 1st served.
>
Those things are gettng harder and harder to give away.
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Re: [newbie] OT - Secure (ish) Win XP Setup

[Ne0StOrM]

hear is just one other program good for start with winxp 
 
http://www.windowsstartup.com/
 
 
and its freee its a good thing not sure on another player for linux i am 
very new with mandrake but this will help what boots up when you boot your 
winxp

Re: [newbie] OT - Secure (ish) Win XP Setup

[Bryan Phinney]

On Tuesday 21 December 2004 11:14, Al Yaemes wrote:

> I have to setup a Win XP box.
Famous last words.

> I think I remember somebody on this list saying something about what
> services should be shut down
> and which software firewall / antivirus / anti spyware should be installed
> prior to allowing said box access to the internet. But I can't find it in
> the archives.

Autopatcher XP allows you to download all security patches and updates for 
WinXP and install them via CD before you connect to the Net which is a VERY 
GOOD THING.  I would look into it.  And would definitely leave the ethernet 
cable totally unplugged until I had all the patches and items below installed 
via CD.

http://www.autopatcher.com/

Adaware, 
http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/

Spybot Search & Destroy, 
http://www.safer-networking.org/en/home/

I would get both at a minimum.

AvG antivirus free edition  http://free.grisoft.com/freeweb.php/doc/2/
I personally like this one because the updates are frequent but not obtrusive 
and they update the virus engine but do it more rarely.  That makes it easier 
to maintain on a slow dialup connection.  Some of the others are good but 
frequent engine updates make them bothersome if you are on  a dialup 
connection.

Kerio Personal Firewall is free for personal use, I would definitely replace 
the default firewall in XP SP2 with Kerio.

Consider routing through a Linux device or buying a standalone router device 
for Internet connection.  It provides an additional layer and NAT is a good 
thing to have for any Window Box.  Don't turn on File and printer sharing if 
you have a direct net connection.  If you have a Linux box, route printing 
and file sharing through that box with a fat32 partition.

Some other great tools, Ccleaner is a freeware tool that does a great job of 
cleaning up erroneous registry entries.  Spybot Search&Destroy has an 
innoculation routine, run it before connecting to the net.  

If you absolutely must run p2p software, check out:  
http://www.bluetack.co.uk/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=1
for the Blocklist Manager.  Practice safe p2p.

I will probably remember some other stuff later but this is a minimum off the 
top of my head.

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Re: [newbie] OT - Secure (ish) Win XP Setup

[Ne0StOrM]

http://www.helpwithwindows.com/WindowsXP/
 
very good website for what to setup with windows xp...norton antivirus is 
good and zone alarm is good for a firewall

Re: [newbie] OT - Secure (ish) Win XP Setup

[Ne0StOrM]

hear are some links for help with windows xp...i use norton anti virus and 
zone alarm for a firewall 
 
http://www.helpwithwindows.com/WindowsXP/
 
you can read on that website and there are some steps under custom to tweak 
out your windows xp
 

Re: [newbie] OT - Secure (ish) Win XP Setup

[Kaj Haulrich]

On Tuesday 21 December 2004 17:14, Al Yaemes wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have to setup a Win XP box.
>
> I think I remember somebody on this list saying something about
> what services should be shut down
> and which software firewall / antivirus / anti spyware should be
> installed prior to allowing said box access to the internet. But
> I can't find it in the archives.
>
> I have a cdrw in the Mandrake box so I can download anything
> which needs to be installed for XP.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.

You can find a - very long - thread on the subject here :

http://www.mail-archive.com/newbie@linux-mandrake.com/msg165375.html

But my conclusion was : Never - ever - connect a Windows box to 
anything except - maybe - the power outlet.

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Re: [newbie] [OT] Bookstores in South Florida

[et]

On Sunday 12 December 2004 07:57 pm, Adolfo Bello wrote:
> My wife is spending a couple of days in South Florida and I asked her to
> buy me some Linux books. She went to Barnes & Noble and found some of
> them but others are still missing.
>
> I wonder if there is in South Florida any bookstore with a good stock of
> Linux books. If so, please, could you mail me privately its name and
> address, phone or, at least, its approximate location.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Adolfo Bello
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> P.S: Specifically, I am still looking for the following titles:
>
> --
> Understanding and Deploying LDAP Directory Services
> Timothy A. Howes, Mark C. Smith
> ISBN: 0672323168
>
> --
> High Performance MySQL
> Jeremy D. Zawodny, Derek J. Balling
> ISBN: 0596003064
>
> -
> Real World Linux Security: Intrusion Prevention, Detection and Recovery
> Bob Toxen
> ISBN: 0130281875
>
> --
> Linux Server Hacks: 100 Industrial-Strength Tips and Tricks
> Rob Flickenger
> ISBN: 0596004613
>
> ---
> Linux Shell Scripting with Bash:
> A Comprehensive Guide and Reference for Linux Users and Administrators
> Ken O. Burtch
> ISBN: 0672326426
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Re: [newbie] OT Recovering Data

[Graham Watkins]

Duncan Anderson wrote:
Graham Watkins wrote:
It may be a while before I get a new linux box up and running as I'm 
pretty busy just now. But when I do, I shall be moving up from 9.2 to 
10.1 Community.

I'm looking forward to it.
Cheers,
Graham

When you do get around to it, have fun!
cheers
Duncan
Thanks.
You can expect plenty of dumb questions when I do.

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Re: [newbie] OT Recovering Data

[Duncan Anderson]

Graham Watkins wrote:
Hi Guys,
First off, apologies for posting from a Windows box. I'm slowly 
rebuilding a system after a major hardware catastrophe (see earlier 
post).

After looking at a few options for data recovery from a linux system, 
I finally opted for the System Rescue CDROM at
http://www.sysresccd.org/download.en.php

Installed the hard disk as a slave and booted up from the CD.It worked 
a treat when I finally figured out how to mount the partitions. Got 
everything I couldn't do without and then some.

It may be a while before I get a new linux box up and running as I'm 
pretty busy just now. But when I do, I shall be moving up from 9.2 to 
10.1 Community.

I'm looking forward to it.
Cheers,
Graham
When you do get around to it, have fun!
cheers
Duncan

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Re: [newbie] OT Recovering Data

[Graham Watkins]

JoeHill wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:35:31 +
Graham Watkins disseminated the following:

It is an ex-motherboard, it has ceased to be

No, no, it's just pining for the fjords...
If you hadn't screwed it to the case it would be pushing up the daisies 
by now.



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Re: [newbie] OT Recovering Data

[Graham Watkins]

Duncan Anderson wrote:
Hello Graham
Anyhow, what I want to know is what is the best way to recover data 
from a hard drive that is about to fail, but contains part of my 
Mandrake installation (usr & home) when I get a new box up and 
running.  Can I install it as a slave disk an access it through a new 
Mandrake installation or perhaps a live CD distribution? Or are there 
other ways?

I realise this isn't exactly a Mandrake specific topic but there is 
more concentrated computer wisdom here than any other place I know so 
I hope you can steer me right.
 

The method that you mention is perhaps the safest, ie. install it as a 
slave disk, etc. I have done that sort of thing many times. As long as 
you are methodical and logical, you should be OK. I have done this with 
Redhat 5.2, SCO OpenServer, SCO UNIX 4.2, MS-Dog, and various versions 
of Mandrake from version 7.1 up. Most recently I did it with Mandrake 
10.1beta2. It is a good way of upgrading your system as well as a way of 
recovering data from an ailing drive.

Once you have installed your new drive, simply run drakconf (diskdrake) 
and set up the mount points and off you go!

regards
Duncan
Hi Guys,
First off, apologies for posting from a Windows box. I'm slowly 
rebuilding a system after a major hardware catastrophe (see earlier post).

After looking at a few options for data recovery from a linux system, I 
finally opted for the System Rescue CDROM at
http://www.sysresccd.org/download.en.php

Installed the hard disk as a slave and booted up from the CD.It worked a 
treat when I finally figured out how to mount the partitions. Got 
everything I couldn't do without and then some.

It may be a while before I get a new linux box up and running as I'm 
pretty busy just now. But when I do, I shall be moving up from 9.2 to 
10.1 Community.

I'm looking forward to it.
Cheers,
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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Kaj Haulrich]

On Friday 03 December 2004 10:50, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Friday 03 Dec 2004 00:16, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> > Thanks Dennis.  I just spent a few hours surfing around my
> > local (Danish) resellers, found hundreds of USB sticks, but no
> > one - that is NO ONE - specified anything but Windows or Mac.
> >
> > Then, my daughter gave me her wish-list for Christmas : a MP3
> > player.  A new search for those gadgets reveiled - not
> > surprisingly - that Sweden is way ahead of Denmark.  At a
> > Swedish company (Jens of Sweden) I found a MP3 player that
> >
> > 1. Can function as an USB memory stick (512 MB)
> > 2. Is fully Linux compatible.
> > 3. Plays ogg.Vorbis..
> >
> > Ordered it on the spot (please don't tell my daughter).
>
> And naturally, Kaj, you have added it to the TWiki
> HardwareCompatibility page? ;-)
>
> Anne

Done.

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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Anne Wilson]

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On Friday 03 Dec 2004 00:16, Kaj Haulrich wrote:

> Thanks Dennis.  I just spent a few hours surfing around my local
> (Danish) resellers, found hundreds of USB sticks, but no one - that
> is NO ONE - specified anything but Windows or Mac.
>
> Then, my daughter gave me her wish-list for Christmas : a MP3
> player.  A new search for those gadgets reveiled - not surprisingly
> - that Sweden is way ahead of Denmark.  At a Swedish company (Jens
> of Sweden) I found a MP3 player that
>
> 1. Can function as an USB memory stick (512 MB)
> 2. Is fully Linux compatible.
> 3. Plays ogg.Vorbis..
>
> Ordered it on the spot (please don't tell my daughter).
>
And naturally, Kaj, you have added it to the TWiki HardwareCompatibility 
page? ;-)

Anne
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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Kaj Haulrich]

On Friday 03 December 2004 00:53, you wrote:
> On Thursday 02 December 2004 03:26 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> > On Thursday 02 December 2004 10:10, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> > > On Thursday 02 December 2004 09:57, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> > > > Now, my daughter uses her Windows box completely
> > > > disconnected from everything.  When she wants something
> > > > from the net, she uses her account on my Mandrake box and
> > > > transport it via floppy or CD to her box. (Maybe a USB
> > > > memory stick could come in handy here ?)
> > >
> > > Sounds like a good reason to get samba up and running on your
> > > Mdk box;)
> >
> > Maybe I'm paranoid, but after that experience we don't allow
> > her Windows box contact with anything outside her room.
> >
> > BTW : Do you know a USB memory stick (about 512 MB) that works
> > with Linux ?
> >
> > Kaj Haulrich.
> > --
> > *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation*
> >  * http://haulrich.net *
> > *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8*
>
> PNY seem to work well, I have one formatted in fat32 and it will
> work on all my machines. HTH

Thanks Dennis.  I just spent a few hours surfing around my local 
(Danish) resellers, found hundreds of USB sticks, but no one - that 
is NO ONE - specified anything but Windows or Mac.

Then, my daughter gave me her wish-list for Christmas : a MP3 
player.  A new search for those gadgets reveiled - not surprisingly 
- that Sweden is way ahead of Denmark.  At a Swedish company (Jens 
of Sweden) I found a MP3 player that 

1. Can function as an USB memory stick (512 MB)
2. Is fully Linux compatible.
3. Plays ogg.Vorbis..

Ordered it on the spot (please don't tell my daughter).

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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Dennis Myers]

On Thursday 02 December 2004 03:26 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> On Thursday 02 December 2004 10:10, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> > On Thursday 02 December 2004 09:57, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> > > Now, my daughter uses her Windows box completely disconnected
> > > from everything.  When she wants something from the net, she
> > > uses her account on my Mandrake box and transport it via floppy
> > > or CD to her box. (Maybe a USB memory stick could come in handy
> > > here ?)
> >
> > Sounds like a good reason to get samba up and running on your Mdk
> > box;)
>
> Maybe I'm paranoid, but after that experience we don't allow her
> Windows box contact with anything outside her room.
>
> BTW : Do you know a USB memory stick (about 512 MB) that works with
> Linux ?
>
> Kaj Haulrich.
> --
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PNY seem to work well, I have one formatted in fat32 and it will work on all 
my machines. HTH
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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Thursday 02 December 2004 20:46, Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> i gave mine away to a windows user (where it worked fine [xp]) when it
> locked up 9.2 as soon as i plugged it into the usb port.

My laptop did that too every now and then.
Turning off "harddrake" as a service at boot was the solution.
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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Thursday 02 December 2004 20:22, Randall D. Hobbs wrote:
> Actually, they do. My boss and I both have Sandisk Mini Cruzers (256 megs),
> and they work like a charm:

Thought as much, that's why I asked.

I mean how far can any vendor f**k_up a vfat formatted chip connected to a USB 
plug?
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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Bryan Phinney]

On Thursday 02 December 2004 14:11, Alan Shoemaker wrote:

> sandisk mini cruzer's do not work

Don't know what you are talking about.  I have a Sandisk 512MB mini cruzer, 
works just fine, automounts and everything.

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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Randall D. Hobbs]

On Thursday 02 December 2004 01:46 pm, Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> i gave mine away to a windows user (where it worked fine [xp]) when it
> locked up 9.2 as soon as i plugged it into the usb port.  i replaced it
> with a kingston data traveller which has never required any special
> handling on 9.2 10.0 and 10.1.

Understood. I've been using it between Mandrake Linux 10.0, 9.2, and Windows 
XP. Have one machine that's SuSE that I'd like to try it on. Luckily I've 
never experienced any problems with it no matter which machine I've used it 
on, so for that I am thankful.

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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Alan Shoemaker]

On Thursday 02 December 2004 11:22 am, Randall D. Hobbs wrote:
> On Thursday 02 December 2004 01:11 pm, Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> > sandisk mini cruzer's do not work
>
> Actually, they do. My boss and I both have Sandisk Mini Cruzers (256 megs),
> and they work like a charm:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] mandrake]$ mount /mnt/sandisk/
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] mandrake]$ df /mnt/sandisk/
> FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1
>   245M   60M  185M  25% /mnt/sandisk
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] mandrake]$ lsusb
> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0781:5150 SanDisk Corp.
> Bus 003 Device 001: ID :
> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0458:0007 KYE Systems Corp. (Mouse Systems)
> Bus 002 Device 001: ID :
> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 03f0:0401 Hewlett-Packard ScanJet 5200c
> Bus 001 Device 001: ID :
>
> It just needed this one line added to /etc/fstab:
> /dev/sda1 /mnt/sandisk auto noauto,rw,users 0 0

i gave mine away to a windows user (where it worked fine [xp]) when it locked 
up 9.2 as soon as i plugged it into the usb port.  i replaced it with a 
kingston data traveller which has never required any special handling on 9.2 
10.0 and 10.1.
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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Alan Shoemaker]

On Thursday 02 December 2004 11:13 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> On Thursday 02 December 2004 20:11, Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> > sandisk mini cruzer's do not work
>
> Do you know why not?

no
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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Alan Shoemaker]

On Thursday 02 December 2004 11:15 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 02 Dec 2004 19:11, Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> > On Thursday 02 December 2004 10:51 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> > > On Thursday 02 December 2004 10:26, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> > > > Maybe I'm paranoid, but after that experience we don't allow her
> > > > Windows box contact with anything outside her room.
> > >
> > > You are;) Confined to the LAN can't really hurt can it, especially with
> > > static IP and a dedicated router/firewall.
> > >
> > > Then install putty on it and everything should be fine over ssh.
> > >
> > > > BTW : Do you know a USB memory stick (about 512 MB) that works with
> > > > Linux ?
> > >
> > > As far as I've experienced, they all work.
> >
> > sandisk mini cruzer's do not work
>
> Alan, would you please add that to the Community TWiki Hardware
> Compatibility list page?  What doesn't work is as important as what does.
>
> Anne

perhaps i'd better not, see message from randall d. hobbs.
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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Randall D. Hobbs]

On Thursday 02 December 2004 01:11 pm, Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> sandisk mini cruzer's do not work

Actually, they do. My boss and I both have Sandisk Mini Cruzers (256 megs), 
and they work like a charm:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mandrake]$ mount /mnt/sandisk/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mandrake]$ df /mnt/sandisk/
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1
  245M   60M  185M  25% /mnt/sandisk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mandrake]$ lsusb
Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0781:5150 SanDisk Corp.
Bus 003 Device 001: ID :
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0458:0007 KYE Systems Corp. (Mouse Systems)
Bus 002 Device 001: ID :
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 03f0:0401 Hewlett-Packard ScanJet 5200c
Bus 001 Device 001: ID :

It just needed this one line added to /etc/fstab:
/dev/sda1 /mnt/sandisk auto noauto,rw,users 0 0

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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Anne Wilson]

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On Thursday 02 Dec 2004 19:11, Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> On Thursday 02 December 2004 10:51 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> > On Thursday 02 December 2004 10:26, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> > > Maybe I'm paranoid, but after that experience we don't allow her
> > > Windows box contact with anything outside her room.
> >
> > You are;) Confined to the LAN can't really hurt can it, especially with
> > static IP and a dedicated router/firewall.
> >
> > Then install putty on it and everything should be fine over ssh.
> >
> > > BTW : Do you know a USB memory stick (about 512 MB) that works with
> > > Linux ?
> >
> > As far as I've experienced, they all work.
>
> sandisk mini cruzer's do not work

Alan, would you please add that to the Community TWiki Hardware Compatibility 
list page?  What doesn't work is as important as what does.

Anne
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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Thursday 02 December 2004 20:11, Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> sandisk mini cruzer's do not work

Do you know why not?
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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Alan Shoemaker]

On Thursday 02 December 2004 10:51 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> On Thursday 02 December 2004 10:26, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> > Maybe I'm paranoid, but after that experience we don't allow her
> > Windows box contact with anything outside her room.
>
> You are;) Confined to the LAN can't really hurt can it, especially with
> static IP and a dedicated router/firewall.
>
> Then install putty on it and everything should be fine over ssh.
>
> > BTW : Do you know a USB memory stick (about 512 MB) that works with
> > Linux ?
>
> As far as I've experienced, they all work.

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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Thursday 02 December 2004 10:26, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> Maybe I'm paranoid, but after that experience we don't allow her
> Windows box contact with anything outside her room.

You are;) Confined to the LAN can't really hurt can it, especially with static 
IP and a dedicated router/firewall.

Then install putty on it and everything should be fine over ssh.
>
> BTW : Do you know a USB memory stick (about 512 MB) that works with
> Linux ?

As far as I've experienced, they all work.



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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[John Bowden]

On Thursday 02 Dec 2004 15:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe overkill but had the bits lying around so why not, originally ran it on 
a 486 DX 120 with 32Mb same Hd and a 56K modem.
> > On Thursday 02 Dec 2004 02:24, JoeHill wrote:
> > I run Smoothwall as a fire wall. It will run on a p100 or better with
> > 32mb of
> > ram and a 1 gig drive. Does not need a moniter or keyboard once set up
> > This
> > setup will be more than powerfull enough to protect a home network. Then
> > run
> > a decent av scanner to protect the windoz machine from trojens, dialers
> > ect.
> > I run Norton or Mcafee, depending on who is offering the best deal at the
> > time. I have just upgradded my fire wall box to an old celleron 333mx
> > with 192mb of ram and given my old box to a friend, (p133 32mb ram &
> > 540mb hd). The old setup protected my 7 pc home network for over 3 years
> > now using dial
> > up and broadband. Here is the address.
> > http://www.smoothwall.org
>
> Isn't that a bit of overkill for a firewall?  I was running a firewall,
> web server (static pages) and e-mail gateway on a P-75 with 32Mb RAM and a
> 210MB hard drive for a few years.  (Ok - I know I should not have been
> running the WEB server on the firewall machine...)
>
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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Kaj Haulrich]

On Thursday 02 December 2004 16:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Thursday 02 December 2004 10:10, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> >
> > BTW : Do you know a USB memory stick (about 512 MB) that works
> > with Linux ?
> >
> > Kaj Haulrich.
>
> There are at least 3 brands that work listed on
> http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org and I think most others work.  I
> have tried 3 different brands so far without problems.
>
> Mikkel

Thanks Mikkel.  I'll have to do a little research to find out if 
they are available here in Denmark.

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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[mikkel]

> On Thursday 02 December 2004 10:10, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
>
> BTW : Do you know a USB memory stick (about 512 MB) that works with
> Linux ?
>
> Kaj Haulrich.
>
There are at least 3 brands that work listed on
http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org and I think most others work.  I have tried 3
different brands so far without problems.

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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[mikkel]

> On Thursday 02 Dec 2004 02:24, JoeHill wrote:
> I run Smoothwall as a fire wall. It will run on a p100 or better with 32mb
> of
> ram and a 1 gig drive. Does not need a moniter or keyboard once set up
> This
> setup will be more than powerfull enough to protect a home network. Then
> run
> a decent av scanner to protect the windoz machine from trojens, dialers
> ect.
> I run Norton or Mcafee, depending on who is offering the best deal at the
> time. I have just upgradded my fire wall box to an old celleron 333mx with
> 192mb of ram and given my old box to a friend, (p133 32mb ram & 540mb hd).
> The old setup protected my 7 pc home network for over 3 years now using
> dial
> up and broadband. Here is the address.
> http://www.smoothwall.org
>
Isn't that a bit of overkill for a firewall?  I was running a firewall,
web server (static pages) and e-mail gateway on a P-75 with 32Mb RAM and a
210MB hard drive for a few years.  (Ok - I know I should not have been
running the WEB server on the firewall machine...)

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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Aron Smith]

On Thursday 02 December 2004 04:38 am, Bryan Phinney wrote:
> On Wednesday 01 December 2004 21:24, JoeHill wrote:
> > On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:10:11 -0500
> >
> > Bryan Phinney disseminated the following:
> > > 2 weeks before the machine gets compromised.
> >
> > ...I must say though (not bragging, by any stretch), that I do have a
> > Windows XP box running on my LAN, default install, *no Service Packs
> > installed*, just running AVG, and it's never been in any way compromised,
> > not even with spyware. I can only assume that my beloved BBIAgent
> > firewall has been very effective, and I can't say enough nice things
> > about AVG.
> >
> > It's just too bad that people even have to worry about it, considering
> > the far superior alternatives. I certainly would never even consider
> > exposing that XP machine as a server of any kind.
>
> I wouldn't say it was impossible to keep a Windows machine secure.  Behind
> a good firewall and then disconnect the keyboard, remove the CDROM and
> Floppy and allow no software to be installed and use no software on the
> machine and you can probably set a record for NOT getting pwned, at least
> on a Win machine.
>
> Now, if you actually use the machine, I would make no bets at all.
Just leaving it unplugged works too ;-)

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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Bryan Phinney]

On Wednesday 01 December 2004 21:24, JoeHill wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:10:11 -0500
>
> Bryan Phinney disseminated the following:
> > 2 weeks before the machine gets compromised.
>
> ...I must say though (not bragging, by any stretch), that I do have a
> Windows XP box running on my LAN, default install, *no Service Packs
> installed*, just running AVG, and it's never been in any way compromised,
> not even with spyware. I can only assume that my beloved BBIAgent firewall
> has been very effective, and I can't say enough nice things about AVG.
>
> It's just too bad that people even have to worry about it, considering the
> far superior alternatives. I certainly would never even consider exposing
> that XP machine as a server of any kind.

I wouldn't say it was impossible to keep a Windows machine secure.  Behind a 
good firewall and then disconnect the keyboard, remove the CDROM and Floppy 
and allow no software to be installed and use no software on the machine and 
you can probably set a record for NOT getting pwned, at least on a Win 
machine.

Now, if you actually use the machine, I would make no bets at all.
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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[John Bowden]

On Thursday 02 Dec 2004 02:24, JoeHill wrote:
I run Smoothwall as a fire wall. It will run on a p100 or better with 32mb of 
ram and a 1 gig drive. Does not need a moniter or keyboard once set up This 
setup will be more than powerfull enough to protect a home network. Then run 
a decent av scanner to protect the windoz machine from trojens, dialers ect. 
I run Norton or Mcafee, depending on who is offering the best deal at the 
time. I have just upgradded my fire wall box to an old celleron 333mx with 
192mb of ram and given my old box to a friend, (p133 32mb ram & 540mb hd). 
The old setup protected my 7 pc home network for over 3 years now using dial 
up and broadband. Here is the address.
http://www.smoothwall.org
As for converting your dad to a decent o/s try getting him a 256mb usb memory 
stick and down loading mandrakemove. Make a nice Xmass present.
> On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:10:11 -0500
>
> Bryan Phinney disseminated the following:
> > 2 weeks before the machine gets compromised.
>
> ...I must say though (not bragging, by any stretch), that I do have a
> Windows XP box running on my LAN, default install, *no Service Packs
> installed*, just running AVG, and it's never been in any way compromised,
> not even with spyware. I can only assume that my beloved BBIAgent firewall
> has been very effective, and I can't say enough nice things about AVG.
>
> It's just too bad that people even have to worry about it, considering the
> far superior alternatives. I certainly would never even consider exposing
> that XP machine as a server of any kind.


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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Kaj Haulrich]

On Thursday 02 December 2004 10:10, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> On Thursday 02 December 2004 09:57, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> > Now, my daughter uses her Windows box completely disconnected
> > from everything.  When she wants something from the net, she
> > uses her account on my Mandrake box and transport it via floppy
> > or CD to her box. (Maybe a USB memory stick could come in handy
> > here ?)
>
> Sounds like a good reason to get samba up and running on your Mdk
> box;)

Maybe I'm paranoid, but after that experience we don't allow her 
Windows box contact with anything outside her room.

BTW : Do you know a USB memory stick (about 512 MB) that works with 
Linux ?

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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Andrewd]

If you do get a USB stick , Mandrake should detect it with no probs. I
picked up my first USB stick yesterday, plugged it in and Mandrake
detected it and created and icon for it on the screen automatically.
Currently I am playing a few MP3s from it right now.

On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 20:10, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> On Thursday 02 December 2004 09:57, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> > Now, my daughter uses her Windows box completely disconnected from
> > everything.  When she wants something from the net, she uses her
> > account on my Mandrake box and transport it via floppy or CD to her
> > box. (Maybe a USB memory stick could come in handy here ?)
> 
> Sounds like a good reason to get samba up and running on your Mdk box;)
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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Thursday 02 December 2004 09:57, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> Now, my daughter uses her Windows box completely disconnected from
> everything.  When she wants something from the net, she uses her
> account on my Mandrake box and transport it via floppy or CD to her
> box. (Maybe a USB memory stick could come in handy here ?)

Sounds like a good reason to get samba up and running on your Mdk box;)
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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Kaj Haulrich]

On Thursday 02 December 2004 01:33, Amy wrote:


> I remember there was a thread where
> one of the members of our list was struggling with a windows
> computer for something school related for his daughter. In the
> process of the discussion, someone mentioned a site that one
> could download all the windows updates from one spot (SP2 not
> included, I hope) so I could download it on my mandrake box, and
> burn it to CD so I don't have to plug my dad's computer into the
> Internet until I've got updates, firewall/s, anti-virus program/s
> and Spyware Removal tool/s installed and all the extra dren from
> HP that's not needed removed.


That caring father was me

I got gazillions of good advice from this very list, re-installed 
WindowsXP on her disconnected box, downloaded AVG antivirus, Spybot 
Search&Destroy, ClamAV, AdwareSpy and whatnot via my linux box, 
burned the whole kaboodle onto CD and installed it on her - still 
disconnected - box.

Then we connected to the internet and downloaded something called 
ServicePack 2 from WindowsUpdate. Within two hours her Windows box
was severely infected anew.. Go figure.

Now, my daughter uses her Windows box completely disconnected from 
everything.  When she wants something from the net, she uses her 
account on my Mandrake box and transport it via floppy or CD to her 
box. (Maybe a USB memory stick could come in handy here ?)

Conclusion : unless you want to :
1. expose your father like being naked in a public place
2. make him known as a Netterrorist..
keep his Windows box completely insulated from everything, except 
maybe the power outlet - although I'm not sure about that either.

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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Brenda O'Hagan]

it depends... if there's something there claiming that port, and you trust 
that software, then why not???
open port 80, and send it to apache on windowsdoesn't do any harm. (though why 
you'd want to run apache on windows i dunno).

it's all the other RPC ports that the worms exploit. (at least that's my 
understanding, but i haven't been willing to touch a windows OS for years 
now).

On Thursday 02 December 2004 16:21, JoeHill wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:41:33 +1300
>
> Brenda O'Hagan disseminated the following:
> > On your LAN? That's usually the difference.
> >
> > A windows boxen behind something else (such as a router, or a linux box)
> > is much much safer than a windows boxen with an internal connection to
> > the internet (such as an internal ADSL modem)
>
> ...but like I said, I'd *never* open a port on the router to the Win box,
> it'd be owned in minutes. And that's even if I did go and get all the
> 'updates'.


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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[JoeHill]

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:41:33 +1300
Brenda O'Hagan disseminated the following:

> On your LAN? That's usually the difference.
> 
> A windows boxen behind something else (such as a router, or a linux box) is 
> much much safer than a windows boxen with an internal connection to the 
> internet (such as an internal ADSL modem)

...but like I said, I'd *never* open a port on the router to the Win box, it'd
be owned in minutes. And that's even if I did go and get all the 'updates'.

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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Brenda O'Hagan]

On Thursday 02 December 2004 15:24, JoeHill wrote:
> ...I must say though (not bragging, by any stretch), that I do have a
> Windows XP box running on my LAN, default install, *no Service Packs
> installed*, just running AVG, and it's never been in any way compromised,
> not even with spyware. I can only assume that my beloved BBIAgent firewall
> has been very effective, and I can't say enough nice things about AVG.

On your LAN? That's usually the difference.

A windows boxen behind something else (such as a router, or a linux box) is 
much much safer than a windows boxen with an internal connection to the 
internet (such as an internal ADSL modem)


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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[JoeHill]

On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:10:11 -0500
Bryan Phinney disseminated the following:

> 2 weeks before the machine gets compromised.

...I must say though (not bragging, by any stretch), that I do have a Windows XP
box running on my LAN, default install, *no Service Packs installed*, just
running AVG, and it's never been in any way compromised, not even with spyware.
I can only assume that my beloved BBIAgent firewall has been very effective, and
I can't say enough nice things about AVG.

It's just too bad that people even have to worry about it, considering the far
superior alternatives. I certainly would never even consider exposing that XP
machine as a server of any kind.

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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[JoeHill]

On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:33:53 -0800
Amy disseminated the following:

> however, since I'd gotten him to agree, he's changed his mind *Grumbles*

I know he's your dad, and you want to help him, but there is a term you may be
familiar with: 'enabler', and you may or may not want to be one of those.

Sometimes, it's best to just let someone experience the hell that is running
Windows, keeping it from being infected withing 20 minutes of a clean install
(that's actually the average, according to SecurityFocus), keeping up with
endless and buggy updates [1], virus definitions, stopping spyware, etc., etc.

So, a little 'tough love' needed here? Or maybe you might just enjoy, just a
little bit, saying 'tolja so, Dad'.

Anyhow, I've been oft accused of being a 'zealot', so take this for what it's
worth, but Windows is a dead end, XP is leaving skid marks on the bowl, and it's
only going to get worse, much worse [2].

[1] http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/199316_servicepack12.html

[2] http://securityfocus.com/bid/11768

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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[JoeHill]

On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:10:11 -0500
Bryan Phinney disseminated the following:

> Then, install win, leave the modems and net cards disconnected, install all of
> those apps along with the patches and then you should be okay for about 2
> weeks before the machine gets compromised.

LOL! You always give me a chuckle, B., thanks.

I've come to the very difficult conclusion that I am no longer willing to 'help'
Windows users with the seemingly unending deluge of vulnerabilities. I feel like
I'm only helping the Borg maintain some semblance of stability.

It hurts me to say 'no' to my friends, but I feel worse when I think I'm
contributing to prolonging the plague that is MS Windows. Now that I know I can
offer them alternatives (Mandrake, Mepis, Xandros, Libranet, etc.) that will do
*everything* they need, it just doesn't make any sense to me to be one of the
ones helping plug the holes in a sinking ship when there's the rescue craft is
within easy reach.

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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Bryan Phinney]

On Wednesday 01 December 2004 19:33, Amy wrote:

> So what I need from you guys? I remember there was a thread where one
> of the members of our list was struggling with a windows computer for
> something school related for his daughter. In the process of the
> discussion, someone mentioned a site that one could download all the
> windows updates from one spot (SP2 not included, I hope) so I could
> download it on my mandrake box, and burn it to CD so I don't have to
> plug my dad's computer into the Internet until I've got updates,
> firewall/s, anti-virus program/s and Spyware Removal tool/s installed
> and all the extra dren from HP that's not needed removed.

Autopatcher XP  
http://www.autopatcher.com/autopatcherxp.html

Current version only requires Windows XP SP 1a which you can also download 
from the site and have on CD prior to installing Windows.

Here is a proposal that might work, however and that is to install Windows XP 
and Mandrake both.  Ask your father to stay off the internet when he uses 
Windows and remove links to all browsers and such from Windows or even setup 
a limited user account under windows and have him login to Win with that so 
that network access is limited.  Ask him to use Linux for all Internet 
related activity.

If not that, then I would suggest downloading Firefox or another browser, 
along with Spybot Search & destroy, Adaware, Kerio Personal Firewall, AvG 
antivirus (all perfectly free for home use) and put everything onto a CD 
before you install Windows.  Then, install win, leave the modems and net 
cards disconnected, install all of those apps along with the patches and then 
you should be okay for about 2 weeks before the machine gets compromised.

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Re: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

[Simon Roberts]

Build him a firewall out of a $150 PC (P-III 400 or similar), or use one of 
those router/switches that includes NAT. The D-Link ones, with an 802.11b 
wireless thing and NAT are about $50, and will probably keep a lot more out 
(leave the wireless disabled unless you really want it) than you'll be able to 
do with hardening windows yourself. I take it he's not a game player looking 
for P2P connectivity (which many of these NAT boxes can handle tolerably well, 
but it'll reduce their effectiveness some I think).

Otherwise, there's a fairly reasonable couple of books from Osborne/McGraw Hill 
in the "HackNotes" series. One is called "Network Security" and the other one 
"Windows Security." They seem to enumerate most of the known weaknesses and 
advise on how to handle them. The big problem seems to me to be that if you 
don't put a firewall up, you'll end up shutting down so many services that the 
system probably won't be as useable as he'll want.

Of course, the firewall-only solution won't handle the massive insecurities of 
email and web-browsers in unwise hands. A little education might help him, 
along with virus scanners and spyware detectors. Good luck, you're probably 
going to need it ;>

Symantec has a useful "test yourself" scanner that you can launch at yourself 
from a web browser which will warn of some of the worst excesses (again, 
excluding email and web pages that install nasties) that are common in Windows 
systems. (You'll find that you show up clean to their tests simply by 
installing that NAT box).

HTH,
Cheers,
Simon


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Subject: [newbie] (OT) I hate to be asking this... (Windows Related)

Okay, so here's what's going on. I had ~thought~ I'd sold my dad on
letting me install Mandrake for him instead of windows when we
formatted his box to take care of the serious infestation he has going
in the thing... however, since I'd gotten him to agree, he's changed
his mind *Grumbles* So now I'm stuck with the evil and daunting task
of reinstalling windows and securing it so it doesn't get reinfected.
Ug.

So what I need from you guys? I remember there was a thread where one
of the members of our list was struggling with a windows computer for
something school related for his daughter. In the process of the
discussion, someone mentioned a site that one could download all the
windows updates from one spot (SP2 not included, I hope) so I could
download it on my mandrake box, and burn it to CD so I don't have to
plug my dad's computer into the Internet until I've got updates,
firewall/s, anti-virus program/s and Spyware Removal tool/s installed
and all the extra dren from HP that's not needed removed.

I tried searching the archives, but my search engine skills have never
been strong, especially when I'm using anything other than google. So
if someone could provide me with a quick link, I'd be grateful.
Though, I suppose, the other option is to just not bother, do a clean
install as HP instructs, and wait for the box to frell itself again,
and drive my dad to switching to Linux (or at least to buy a mac). But
as much as I'm sure some of you would rather encourage me to try the
latter option, I don't like the idea of all the extra work needed for
that, since it'll require the windows install, then the backup process
again, then the fresh mandrake install. And since this is an HP box,
I'm not sure how much of it is windows only sorts of hardware. All it
takes is my dad not being able to use one part of his computer he
needs, and he'll throw a fit and just go and buy a new windows
machine. Bah.

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Re: [newbie] OT Recovering Data

[Duncan Anderson]

Hello Graham
Anyhow, what I want to know is what is the best way to recover data from a hard 
drive that is about to fail, but contains part of my Mandrake installation (usr 
& home) when I get a new box up and running.  Can I install it as a slave disk 
an access it through a new Mandrake installation or perhaps a live CD distribution? 
Or are there other ways?
I realise this isn't exactly a Mandrake specific topic but there is more concentrated computer wisdom here than any other place I know so I hope you can steer me right.
 

The method that you mention is perhaps the safest, ie. install it as a 
slave disk, etc. I have done that sort of thing many times. As long as 
you are methodical and logical, you should be OK. I have done this with 
Redhat 5.2, SCO OpenServer, SCO UNIX 4.2, MS-Dog, and various versions 
of Mandrake from version 7.1 up. Most recently I did it with Mandrake 
10.1beta2. It is a good way of upgrading your system as well as a way of 
recovering data from an ailing drive.

Once you have installed your new drive, simply run drakconf (diskdrake) 
and set up the mount points and off you go!

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Re: [newbie] OT Recovering Data

[JoeHill]

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:35:31 +
Graham Watkins disseminated the following:

> It is an ex-motherboard, it has ceased to be

No, no, it's just pining for the fjords...

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Re: [newbie] [OT] fetchmail > procmail > spamc help

[Chris]

On Saturday 27 November 2004 08:52 am, JoeHill wrote:

> > which is forwarding all my spam that I receive at my EL address to EL's
> > junkmail address.  I guess its possible that I don't have much else to
> > do with it except possibly add in the procmail call?
>
> Okay, you just zoomed right by me in terms of configuring Postfix. I've
> never ventured that far, ie. passing mail *back* to Postfix for alternate
> delivery, if I even understand correctly what you are doing.
>
> Procmail should be 'called' by Postfix by default. Usually, from what I
> understand, it is Procmail which then calls the spam recipes/processes,
> and delivers the mail as you direct, including passing mail back to
> Postfix as an MTA.
>
> > And I apologize for the seemingly dumb questions.
>
> Now I feel dumb. :-)

Don't think so Joe, I'm the 5yr linux newbie here.  All I do is run a script 
that someone from earthlink tech support was kind enough to provide me:

#!/usr/bin/perl 
 
open(SENDMAIL, "|/usr/lib/sendmail -f [EMAIL PROTECTED] -oi -t") || 
die "Cannot open sendmail output";

print SENDMAIL  <<"ENDENDEND";
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Re: [newbie] [OT] fetchmail > procmail > spamc help

[JoeHill]

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:19:23 -0600
Chris disseminated the following:

> Joe, let me ask you at least one more question, I've got postfix working in 
> this manner:
> 
> Nov 26 19:00:02 cpollock postfix/nqmgr[2195]: 3D2E3584005: 
> from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=5272, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
> Nov 26 19:00:04 cpollock postfix/smtp[21836]: 5268B584002: 
> to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=mx2.earthlink.net[207.217.125.17], 
> delay=3, status=sent (250 1cxQ0rMl3NZFpB0 Message accepted for delivery)
> Nov 26 19:00:05 cpollock postfix/smtp[21841]: 3D2E3584005: 
> to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=mxa.earthlink.net[207.217.125.25], 
> delay=3, status=sent (250 1cxQ0tvg3NZFpO0 Message accepted for delivery)
> 
> which is forwarding all my spam that I receive at my EL address to EL's 
> junkmail address.  I guess its possible that I don't have much else to do 
> with it except possibly add in the procmail call?

Okay, you just zoomed right by me in terms of configuring Postfix. I've never
ventured that far, ie. passing mail *back* to Postfix for alternate delivery, if
I even understand correctly what you are doing.

Procmail should be 'called' by Postfix by default. Usually, from what I
understand, it is Procmail which then calls the spam recipes/processes, and
delivers the mail as you direct, including passing mail back to Postfix as an
MTA.

> And I apologize for the seemingly dumb questions.

Now I feel dumb. :-)

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Re: [newbie] [OT] fetchmail > procmail > spamc help

[Chris]

On Friday 26 November 2004 06:56 pm, JoeHill wrote:

> Postfix does not add much 'overhead' to the process, in fact the
> anti-spam processing is going to take up a lot more. Why not save
> yourself the headaches and go with a process that works off the bat?
>
> Postfix also gives you the opportunity to expand this whole setup in the
> future, as you can see if you read Derek Jennings' howto.
>
> Anyway, my 2 cents.

Joe, let me ask you at least one more question, I've got postfix working in 
this manner:

Nov 26 19:00:02 cpollock postfix/nqmgr[2195]: 3D2E3584005: 
from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=5272, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Nov 26 19:00:04 cpollock postfix/smtp[21836]: 5268B584002: 
to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=mx2.earthlink.net[207.217.125.17], 
delay=3, status=sent (250 1cxQ0rMl3NZFpB0 Message accepted for delivery)
Nov 26 19:00:05 cpollock postfix/smtp[21841]: 3D2E3584005: 
to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=mxa.earthlink.net[207.217.125.25], 
delay=3, status=sent (250 1cxQ0tvg3NZFpO0 Message accepted for delivery)

which is forwarding all my spam that I receive at my EL address to EL's 
junkmail address.  I guess its possible that I don't have much else to do 
with it except possibly add in the procmail call?

And I apologize for the seemingly dumb questions.

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Re: [newbie] [OT] fetchmail > procmail > spamc help

[JoeHill]

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:01:39 -0600
Chris disseminated the following:

> kdeinit:  dcopserver --nosid --suicide?

I wouldn't touch anything that begins with a 'K' if you paid me ;-) I *am*
encouraged by kdeinit committing suicide, it's finally realized it has no reason
to live.

Go here:

http://www.eslrahc.com/

...add the appropriate repository, and:

urpmi xfce

No more kdeinit errors :-D

However, this is your best friend when it comes to error messages:

google.com/linux

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Re: [newbie] [OT] fetchmail > procmail > spamc help

[Chris]

On Friday 26 November 2004 06:56 pm, JoeHill wrote:

> Sorry, I'm not familiar with how this would work with skipping the
> Postfix step in the process.
>
> Perhaps KMail isn't seeing the mail in /var/spool/mail/chris as new mail,
> and so is not delivering it to your inbox? Also, check in the KMail
> config to make sure that the path to your mail spool is correct, I can
> see something like KMail defaulting to /var/mail or something.
>
> Postfix does not add much 'overhead' to the process, in fact the
> anti-spam processing is going to take up a lot more. Why not save
> yourself the headaches and go with a process that works off the bat?
>
> Postfix also gives you the opportunity to expand this whole setup in the
> future, as you can see if you read Derek Jennings' howto.
>
> Anyway, my 2 cents.

Thanks Joe, I'm reading Derek's setup now and configuring as I go.  I'll 
lick this yetnow got any ideas on the other msg I posted regarding 
kdeinit:  dcopserver --nosid --suicide?

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Re: [newbie] [OT] fetchmail > procmail > spamc help

[JoeHill]

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:22:09 -0600
Chris disseminated the following:

> > Now whats wrongback to having kmail check until I get this straight.
> 
> I'll reply to my own msg here since I did notice one thing amiss, normal 
> messages have a 'Status: R, this one I see has a Status: U, meaning 
> undelivered?

Sorry, I'm not familiar with how this would work with skipping the Postfix step
in the process.

Perhaps KMail isn't seeing the mail in /var/spool/mail/chris as new mail, and so
is not delivering it to your inbox? Also, check in the KMail config to make sure
that the path to your mail spool is correct, I can see something like KMail
defaulting to /var/mail or something.

Postfix does not add much 'overhead' to the process, in fact the anti-spam
processing is going to take up a lot more. Why not save yourself the headaches
and go with a process that works off the bat?

Postfix also gives you the opportunity to expand this whole setup in the future,
as you can see if you read Derek Jennings' howto.

Anyway, my 2 cents.

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Re: [newbie] [OT] fetchmail > procmail > spamc help

[Chris]

On Friday 26 November 2004 06:10 pm, Chris wrote:

> Status:  U
> Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Now whats wrongback to having kmail check until I get this straight.

I'll reply to my own msg here since I did notice one thing amiss, normal 
messages have a 'Status: R, this one I see has a Status: U, meaning 
undelivered?

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Re: [newbie] [OT] fetchmail > procmail > spamc help

[Chris]

On Friday 26 November 2004 05:23 pm, JoeHill wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:22:11 -0600

> Fetchmail is pretty simple. Install it, run 'fetchmailconf', yer done. If
> you have Postfix installed ('urpmi postfix' if you don't), then you've
> already arrived at the point where you can start the anti-spam thang.
> Fetchmail will automagically hand off to Postfix, which will call
> Procmail, which would then call whatever recipes/processes you want to
> implement to deal with spam, and then deliver the mail accordingly.
>
> And now, I will save Derek the trouble of posting a link to his page:
>
> http://www.jennings.homelinux.net/mailserver_config.html

Thanks Joe.  I'm not running a mail server, just trying to cut down on some 
of the overhead when Kmail calls spamc by using fetchmail > procmail.  I've 
done some more reading while waiting for replies and find that if I run 
fetchmail -m procmail this will call procmail, which I've been able to see 
happen while watching running processes. 

But, now I see another problem.  fetchmail picks up, apparently procmail 
runs spamc, because looking in /var/spool/mail[chris] at the msg I can see 
the spam check.  I can see and read the msg in /var/spool/mail[chris]  but 
now mail isn't comeing into my inbox  when I run my local mailcheck with 
Kmail :(  Here are the headers of a msg:

Status:  U
Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: from pop.earthlink.net [207.217.121.210]
by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-6.1.0)
for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (single-drop); Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:50:34 -0600 
(CST)
Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.67])
by mx-a065b05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (EarthLink SMTP Server) with ESMTP 
id 
1cxPQc2iN3NZFpL2
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:49:28 -0800 (PST)
Received: from [69.68.226.5] (helo=cpollock)
by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128)
(Exim 4.34)
id 1CXpqC-0005Yi-D3
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:49:28 -0500
Content-Type: text/plain;
  charset="us-ascii"

Now whats wrongback to having kmail check until I get this straight.

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Re: [newbie] [OT] fetchmail > procmail > spamc help

[Derek Jennings]

On Friday 26 November 2004 23:23, JoeHill wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:22:11 -0600
>
> Chris disseminated the following:
> > Realizing this is OT, I'm confused and have some questions.  If someone
> > can help please mail me off list as I don't want to get the current list
> > Nazi after me :)
>
> I don't see this as OT at all, though it's been covered quite a bit in past
> threads and there are innumerable how-to's on the web. However, I'm kinda
> thinkin' of switchin' from some very complicated Procmail filters to
> something simpler, so I wouldn't mind seeing this thread expand.
>
> Fetchmail is pretty simple. Install it, run 'fetchmailconf', yer done. If
> you have Postfix installed ('urpmi postfix' if you don't), then you've
> already arrived at the point where you can start the anti-spam thang.
> Fetchmail will automagically hand off to Postfix, which will call Procmail,
> which would then call whatever recipes/processes you want to implement to
> deal with spam, and then deliver the mail accordingly.
>
> And now, I will save Derek the trouble of posting a link to his page:
>
> http://www.jennings.homelinux.net/mailserver_config.html

The only thing I would add is if you install fetchmail-daemon fetchmail will 
automatically run every 3 minutes using the configuration 
in /etc/fetchmailrc.
If you install just fetchmail it will not run automatically. You would need to 
set up a cron job or something.

Also the test in fetchmailconf will not work while the daemon is running. You 
have to stop the daemon first.

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Re: [newbie] [OT] fetchmail > procmail > spamc help

[JoeHill]

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:22:11 -0600
Chris disseminated the following:

> Realizing this is OT, I'm confused and have some questions.  If someone can 
> help please mail me off list as I don't want to get the current list Nazi 
> after me :)

I don't see this as OT at all, though it's been covered quite a bit in past
threads and there are innumerable how-to's on the web. However, I'm kinda
thinkin' of switchin' from some very complicated Procmail filters to something
simpler, so I wouldn't mind seeing this thread expand.

Fetchmail is pretty simple. Install it, run 'fetchmailconf', yer done. If you
have Postfix installed ('urpmi postfix' if you don't), then you've already
arrived at the point where you can start the anti-spam thang. Fetchmail will
automagically hand off to Postfix, which will call Procmail, which would then
call whatever recipes/processes you want to implement to deal with spam, and
then deliver the mail accordingly.

And now, I will save Derek the trouble of posting a link to his page:

http://www.jennings.homelinux.net/mailserver_config.html

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Re: [newbie] (OT) Reguarding reply-to and the gmail address

[Amy]

My friend was actually ranting on and on about the whole being lazy
and the list messing with the reply-to field, and things of that
nature, then eventually threw this link at me explaining why we
shouldn't be worrying about it in the first place because we should
have the reply-to set for the person, and use the reply to list
feature in our clients.

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

There's the link if anyone cares to give it a read. Honestly, I'd just
like to have it so I'm not yelled at, or lectured over something I
can't help. I switch to gmail for the list recently because my
domain's been up and down like a seesaw due to an old mail server at
my host, or something like that (I'm getting the hosting for free, so
I can't really complain, nor do I get detailed reports when something
goes wrong), and I can't afford to pay for a host right now. So I'm
using what's available and otherwise seems to work. Weee.

At any rate,I've mentioned it to Google that I want the option to
disable the reply-to, now it's all on you guys to watch when you
reply, until Google either gives in, or the list plays the way
outlined in the above link. *shrugs*

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Re: [newbie] (OT) Reguarding reply-to and the gmail address

[Eric Huff]

> I do sort my mail into folders but I don't have the list parameter
> set, and the L key works just fine. (KMail 1.5.4 under KDE 3.1.4)

I think all the "good" mailers grab info from headers like this:

List-Post: 

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Re: [newbie] (OT) Reguarding reply-to and the gmail address

[Carroll Grigsby]

On Sunday 31 October 2004 09:24 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Sunday 31 Oct 2004 14:04, Tom Brinkman wrote:
> 
> >  FWIW, I use Kmail and simply tapped the 'L' key to reply to
> > the list.  The 'R' key would've replied only to you Amy.  If I
> > chose to use a mail client without this simple feature, the
> > responsibility to reply properly is still mine.
> >
> The fact that Mandrake mangle the reply-to makes us lazy ;-)
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the 'L' key only work if you sort mail 
> into folders and set the 'list' parameter in the folder properties?
> 
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> 
> 

Anne:
I do sort my mail into folders but I don't have the list parameter set, and 
the L key works just fine. (KMail 1.5.4 under KDE 3.1.4)
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Re: [newbie] (OT) Reguarding reply-to and the gmail address

[Tom Brinkman]

On Sunday 31 October 2004 08:24 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Sunday 31 Oct 2004 14:04, Tom Brinkman wrote:
> >  FWIW, I use Kmail and simply tapped the 'L' key to reply
> > to the list.  The 'R' key would've replied only to you Amy. 
> > If I chose to use a mail client without this simple feature,
> > the responsibility to reply properly is still mine.
>
> The fact that Mandrake mangle the reply-to makes us lazy ;-)
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the 'L' key only work if
> you sort mail into folders and set the 'list' parameter in the
> folder properties?
>
> Anne

  No, keyboard tasks are the default. I don't sort mesg's by 
folder. If you look on the drop down menus on the tool bar, the 
keyboard commands for Message and Edit are shown for each item.
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Re: [newbie] (OT) Reguarding reply-to and the gmail address

[Anne Wilson]

On Sunday 31 Oct 2004 14:04, Tom Brinkman wrote:

>  FWIW, I use Kmail and simply tapped the 'L' key to reply to
> the list.  The 'R' key would've replied only to you Amy.  If I
> chose to use a mail client without this simple feature, the
> responsibility to reply properly is still mine.
>
The fact that Mandrake mangle the reply-to makes us lazy ;-)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the 'L' key only work if you sort mail 
into folders and set the 'list' parameter in the folder properties?

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Re: [newbie] (OT) Reguarding reply-to and the gmail address

[Tom Brinkman]

On Saturday 30 October 2004 03:50 pm, Amy wrote:
> Then I suppose it's time to bug the gmail team. Very weird
> though, considering it's let me select a blank field for the
> replyto address. Oh well, I'll bug them about it now. Thanks
> for checking for me though. ^_^

 Well, I replied to the list just by replying to your post 
Amy.  The "Reply to:" problem is not just the responsibility of 
the original poster. It is also the responsibility of those that 
reply, to do so properly.

 FWIW, I use Kmail and simply tapped the 'L' key to reply to 
the list.  The 'R' key would've replied only to you Amy.  If I 
chose to use a mail client without this simple feature, the 
responsibility to reply properly is still mine.


 Several replies stating:
> > not fixed, still goes to Amy

 So that is both Amy's problem and those who don't properly 
reply.  Complaints about top posting, lack of snipping, spam, and 
'reply to' . only serve to generate more bandwith waste.

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Re: [newbie] (OT) Reguarding reply-to and the gmail address

[JoeHill]

On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:43:32 -0700
Amy disseminated the following:

> I've noticed a lot of people have been complaining about the reply-to
> address issue with gmail.

Looks like you may have a lot more to complain about.

Webmail is not a Good Thing. I don't know what Google was thinking.

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Re: [newbie] (OT) Reguarding reply-to and the gmail address

[Amy]

Okay guys, I just submitted a feature request for the option of
disabling the reply-to. If those of you using gmail haven't already
done so, could you do that too? If we bug them about it enough, maybe
they'll fix it!


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Re: [newbie] (OT) Reguarding reply-to and the gmail address

[Paul Smith]

On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:43:32 -0700, Amy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've noticed a lot of people have been complaining about the reply-to
> address issue with gmail. I think I've fixed it on mine. If gmail
> users go into settings, there are two options for the reply-to, their
> gmail address, and a blank field which one is expected to put
> something in. Well, gmail seems to have accepted me selecting the
> field without filling it in with anything... if anyone would like to
> confirm this works correctly (try replying to my message here), we can
> find out if this is indeed the correct solution to the problem and
> start sharing it with other gmail users on the list. ^_^

Amy,

It does not unfortunately work. (I had already tried that.)

Regards,

Paul


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Re: [newbie] (OT) Reguarding reply-to and the gmail address

[Amy]

Then I suppose it's time to bug the gmail team. Very weird though,
considering it's let me select a blank field for the replyto address.
Oh well, I'll bug them about it now. Thanks for checking for me
though. ^_^


On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:46:40 -0400, et <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On Saturday 30 October 2004 16:43, Amy wrote:
> > Hey everyone!
> >
> > I've noticed a lot of people have been complaining about the reply-to
> > address issue with gmail. I think I've fixed it on mine. If gmail
> > users go into settings, there are two options for the reply-to, their
> > gmail address, and a blank field which one is expected to put
> > something in. Well, gmail seems to have accepted me selecting the
> > field without filling it in with anything... if anyone would like to
> > confirm this works correctly (try replying to my message here), we can
> > find out if this is indeed the correct solution to the problem and
> > start sharing it with other gmail users on the list. ^_^
> >
> > Hope this helps!
> >
> > Amy
> not fixed, still goes to Amy
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Re: [newbie] (OT) Reguarding reply-to and the gmail address

[Paul Smith]

On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:43:32 -0700, Amy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've noticed a lot of people have been complaining about the reply-to
> address issue with gmail. I think I've fixed it on mine. If gmail
> users go into settings, there are two options for the reply-to, their
> gmail address, and a blank field which one is expected to put
> something in. Well, gmail seems to have accepted me selecting the
> field without filling it in with anything... if anyone would like to
> confirm this works correctly (try replying to my message here), we can
> find out if this is indeed the correct solution to the problem and
> start sharing it with other gmail users on the list. ^_^

Amy,

It does not unfortunately work. (I had already tried that.)

Regards,

Paul


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Re: [newbie] (OT) Reguarding reply-to and the gmail address

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Saturday 30 October 2004 22:43, Amy wrote:
> Hey everyone!
>
> I've noticed a lot of people have been complaining about the reply-to
> address issue with gmail. I think I've fixed it on mine. If gmail
> users go into settings, there are two options for the reply-to, their
> gmail address, and a blank field which one is expected to put
> something in. Well, gmail seems to have accepted me selecting the
> field without filling it in with anything... if anyone would like to
> confirm this works correctly (try replying to my message here), we can
> find out if this is indeed the correct solution to the problem and
> start sharing it with other gmail users on the list. ^_^
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Amy
Nope!!
Doesn't work:(
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Re: [newbie] (OT) Reguarding reply-to and the gmail address

[et]

On Saturday 30 October 2004 16:43, Amy wrote:
> Hey everyone!
>
> I've noticed a lot of people have been complaining about the reply-to
> address issue with gmail. I think I've fixed it on mine. If gmail
> users go into settings, there are two options for the reply-to, their
> gmail address, and a blank field which one is expected to put
> something in. Well, gmail seems to have accepted me selecting the
> field without filling it in with anything... if anyone would like to
> confirm this works correctly (try replying to my message here), we can
> find out if this is indeed the correct solution to the problem and
> start sharing it with other gmail users on the list. ^_^
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Amy
not fixed, still goes to Amy
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Re: [newbie] [OT] Apache and users cgi

[Todd Slater]

On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:16:40PM +0800, frankieh wrote:
> Todd Slater wrote:
> >I am hosting a few sites for friends that need cgi access. I read
> >something about cgi scripts shouldn't be in the web document root for
> >security purposes--people being able to read them as text. I turned on
> >cgi by adding the ExecCGI in  which if I
> >understand is not secure?
> >
> >What's the standard practice for doing this with users and virtual
> >hosts?
> >
> >Todd
> 
> Create a cgi-bin directory in parallel to your docs direcory and make 
> that the directory that is able to exec cgi scripts.
> 
> 
> and then  use ScriptAlias to make it available:
> ScriptAlias  /cgi-bin/ /home/*/cgi-bin
> 
> That should get you on the right track.

Thanks, Franki. I ended up having to add another line to httpd.conf to
get it to work:

ScriptAliasMatch ^/~([^/]*)/cgi-bin/(.*) /home/$1/cgi-bin/$2

Todd

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Re: [newbie] OT: A Virus Plague

[Anne Wilson]

On Saturday 23 Oct 2004 12:27, Erylon Hines wrote:
> I just put them in my "missed_spam" folder and run an sa-learn on them (I
> use spamassassin as my spam filter).  After I did that a few times, 90+% of
> them are tagged as spam and go to the trash.  Worked for those bounced
> virus messages from mail servers, too.

I use PopFile, and as a matter of interest some time ago I started to collect 
virused emails into a separate folder (PF labels them virused, and KMail 
filters them to the folder).  On the rare occasions that one escapes PF's 
notice, it re-classify it then delete it, but keep the other, quarantined, 
mails so that I can use them as a teaching resource to inform win users.

This month looks like being a bumper month.  I have 41 dated this month in my 
folder so far.

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Re: [newbie] [OT] Apache and users cgi

[frankieh]

Todd Slater wrote:
I am hosting a few sites for friends that need cgi access. I read
something about cgi scripts shouldn't be in the web document root for
security purposes--people being able to read them as text. I turned on
cgi by adding the ExecCGI in  which if I
understand is not secure?
What's the standard practice for doing this with users and virtual
hosts?
Todd
Create a cgi-bin directory in parallel to your docs direcory and make 
that the directory that is able to exec cgi scripts.


and then  use ScriptAlias to make it available:
ScriptAlias  /cgi-bin/ /home/*/cgi-bin
That should get you on the right track.
rgds
Franki


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Re: [newbie] OT: A Virus Plague

[Erylon Hines]

On Saturday 23 October 2004 01:40 am, Graham Watkins wrote:
| Hi guys,
|
| This past week or so, I have been mailed a number of virus attachments.
| Usually with only a smiley face in the message body. These have caused
| no problem as they are Windows viruses (viri?) and I only ever download
| my mail under Linux - learnt the necessity for that the hard way a few
| years ago.
|
| What I'd like to ask here is can I do anything? i.e. make a report to
| some body which can arrange for the perpetrators to be crucified without
| the benefit of broken legs or at least get their accounts closed.  (It
| goes without saying that the addresses are spoofed).
|
| It is a kind of spam, so could I perhaps get spamcop or similar orgs
| interested?  Advice anybody?
|
| Cheers,
I just put them in my "missed_spam" folder and run an sa-learn on them (I use 
spamassassin as my spam filter).  After I did that a few times, 90+% of them 
are tagged as spam and go to the trash.  Worked for those bounced virus 
messages from mail servers, too.



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Re: [newbie] OT - Mac OSX anyone?

[Eric Huff]

On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 22:35, Todd Slater wrote:
> Anyone on the list use a Mac with OSX? I'm about to get one at
> work and was wondering how easy it is to use the FreeBSD under
> the hood--such as for installing apps I'm accustomed to like
> vcdimager, instiki, and others.
> 
> Todd

Laura just got an emac with OSX, so i am learning my way through it.

Anyway, I won't be much help as far as installing linux-ish apps,
but it sure is nice to be able pop open a terminal and ssh, run
emacs, etc like i am used to.  It realy is (to me) a breath of fresh
air compared to helping people with windows or the earlier mac os's.

There are the occasional huge annoyances like not being able to see
the entire path in the file manager, and Safari is very
uncomfortable to me (i installed firefox 1.0PR, which runs with a
couple bugs).

eric

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