Re: [newbie] Sound Problems on 9.2 Install

[Graham Watkins]

Graham Watkins wrote:
On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 21:32, Graham Watkins wrote:



I'm going to give up for tonight, log into windows and listen to Andy
Kershaw on the beeb.
Tomorrow is another day

Unfortunately, it's just like the last one. Still no sound.

Anyone got any more ideas?

Just to let you know that I sorted it. Switched off Alsa in control 
centre and attempted to get OSS running.  That didn't work either so I 
ran alsaconf again, this time with the sound service switched off. This 
did the trick.  The sound was rough at first but I tweaked the settings 
in Kmix and now it sounds better than ever.

Thanks for your help guys.

It looks like I'll be sticking with 9.2 after all.

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Re: [newbie] Sound Problems on 9.2 Install

[Graham Watkins]

On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 21:32, Graham Watkins wrote:


> I'm going to give up for tonight, log into windows and listen to Andy
> Kershaw on the beeb.
> 
> Tomorrow is another day
> 
Unfortunately, it's just like the last one. Still no sound.

Anyone got any more ideas?

cheers,

Graham Watkins

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Re: [newbie] Sound Problems on 9.2 Install

[Tom Brinkman]

On Saturday 06 December 2003 06:10 pm, Graham Watkins wrote:
> Hi Y'all,
>
> Finally plucked up the courage to install 9.2 this afternoon,
> and already I'm regretting it. The sound is next to useless
> being extremely quiet, poor quality and almost drowned out by
> hiss. I've checked the mixer settings and it is set to full
> volume and not muted.
>
> My sound card is CM8738 PCI card using the driver module
> snd-cmipci. (Using the cmipci module doesn't help)
>
> I hope you kind and knowledgeable people can point me in the
> direction of a solution, otherwise it's back to 9.0 for me.

 I've seen Derek's reponse an you might try his suggestions. 
But first see if 'aumix' is installed. 
  rpm -qa | grep -i aumix

I fixed a fresh 9.2 install simply by installing aumix (it 
wasn't installed by default) and then running it as root to set 
all sliders to 100%.  Don't forget to save before you exit aumix.
You should'a mentioned what WM you're using. If it's KDE, you can 
use kmix after doin the aumix deal above, to adjust sound levels 
as user.
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Re: [newbie] Sound Problems on 9.2 Install

[Derek Jennings]

On Saturday 06 Dec 2003 6:10 pm, Graham Watkins wrote:
> Hi Y'all,
>
> Finally plucked up the courage to install 9.2 this afternoon, and
> already I'm regretting it. The sound is next to useless being extremely
> quiet, poor quality and almost drowned out by hiss. I've checked the
> mixer settings and it is set to full volume and not muted.
>
> My sound card is CM8738 PCI card using the driver module snd-cmipci.
> (Using the cmipci module doesn't help)
>
> I hope you kind and knowledgeable people can point me in the direction
> of a solution, otherwise it's back to 9.0 for me.


Two solutions
1/ Mandrake Control Centre>Hardware>Harddrake
select your sound card and press the button to select the alternate driver. 
This will install the oss driver which has fewer features than the alsa 
driver but may sound better than what you have now.

2/ Tune your alsa driver correctly Install the alsa-utils RPM and then make a 
backup copy of your /etc/modules.conf file. Then run alsaconf in a root 
terminal.  
Alsaconf will write the correct configuration for your card into 
/etc/modules.conf  but will not copy over the lines which are not sound 
related from your old config.  You must do that yourself afterwards.

Alsaconf IMO does a much better job of setting up alsa drivers than Mandrake 
does.


HTH

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Re: [newbie] sound problems Via AC97 on Sony Vaio

[Vahur Lokk]

On Monday 16 June 2003 21:57, Lavanya Vasudevan wrote:
> Thank you, but I'm afraid that doesn't work either.  The
> alternative driver seems to be an OSS one, via82cxxx_audio. 
> It also freezes my system.
>
> I checked on the ALSA web page and snd-via82xx does seem to
> be the driver recommended for my card.  I downloaded the ALSA
> drivers and re-installed ALSA on my system.  I tried with
> both version 0.9.4 and 0.9.0rc6, but they both freeze my
> system after installation, when I do modprobe snd-via82xx.
>
> Thanks,
> Lavanya
This seems to be somewhat problematic chip. I wrestled it last 
fall. Following instructions from the ALSA homepage to the 
letter I installed ALSA drivers but never got it working 100% - 
some games just remained silent or crashed (xmms and CD-player 
worked OK as well as KDE sound). It did not crash on my comp, 
fortunately.
As I am not really demanding about sound quality but wish 
everything in good working order, I disabled this onboard Via 
crap-chip from bios and stuffed just another cheapo SB clone 
into my box. Works without a hitch.

Wahur

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Re: [newbie] sound problems Via AC97 on Sony Vaio

[Lavanya Vasudevan]

Thank you, but I'm afraid that doesn't work either.  The alternative
driver seems to be an OSS one, via82cxxx_audio.  It also freezes my
system.

I checked on the ALSA web page and snd-via82xx does seem to be the
driver recommended for my card.  I downloaded the ALSA drivers and
re-installed ALSA on my system.  I tried with both version 0.9.4 and
0.9.0rc6, but they both freeze my system after installation, when I do
modprobe snd-via82xx.

Thanks,
Lavanya

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> On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 12:12 am, Lavanya Vasudevan wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm having trouble getting my Apollo Super AC97 sound card to work
> > on my Sony Vaio PCG FXA47, running Mandrake 9.1.  Here are the
> > details from HardDrake:
> >
> I don't know specifics for this card, but in principle, go to mcc, 
> hardware, harddrake and find the entry for your card.  Click on it 
> and a right-hand panel appears.  One of the two buttons (top one I 
> think) offers you alternative drivers.  Select one of those, then run
> 
> the config tool.  If it doesn't work you can simply go over those 
> steps, and the original driver will be offered as the alternative 
> one, so you have nothing to lose.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Anne
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Re: [newbie] sound problems Via AC97 on Sony Vaio

[Anne Wilson]

On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 12:12 am, Lavanya Vasudevan wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm having trouble getting my Apollo Super AC97 sound card to work
> on my Sony Vaio PCG FXA47, running Mandrake 9.1.  Here are the
> details from HardDrake:
>
I don't know specifics for this card, but in principle, go to mcc, 
hardware, harddrake and find the entry for your card.  Click on it 
and a right-hand panel appears.  One of the two buttons (top one I 
think) offers you alternative drivers.  Select one of those, then run 
the config tool.  If it doesn't work you can simply go over those 
steps, and the original driver will be offered as the alternative 
one, so you have nothing to lose.

HTH

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Re: [newbie] Sound Problems in MDK 9.1

[Anguo]

On 星期六 07 六月 2003 03:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> On Friday 06 June 2003 01:39 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
> > This morning I updated my 9.0 to 9.1 without a hitch
> > except for sound - there isn't any.  The system is
> > recognizing my sound card OK and I've checked all of
> > the sound settings that I can find, but no joy!
> >
> > This exact same thing happened when I updated my laptop
> > to 9.1 and, mysteriously, it just started working one
> > day without warning!
> >
> > Any hints about where to look to get the sound going
> > again?
> >
> > Rich 

Try  draksound
 Have a look at the trouble shooting section.
check aumix -q.
If sound set to 0, then run aumix to higher volume...

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Re: [newbie] Sound Problems in MDK 9.1

[Inhabitant of Zion]

Hi

Odd thing is if I turn arts off I don't get system sounds or anything from my apps 
either.

Oddly Xine does not seem to be effected it being switched off.

I am confused now (not hard!)

John

On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:39:25 +0100
Richard Urwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Friday 06 Jun 2003 9:32 pm, Inhabitant of Zion wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > this command throws out on my machine:
> >
> > COMMAND  PID   USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
> > artsd   5290 williamjay8u   CHR   14,3  1586 /dev/sound/dsp
> >
> > Can somebody interpret this for me?
> 
> You appear to have the same problem; arts has the sound device open.
> 
> > Still trying to get KsCD and Grip etc working. But its not deserate as Xine
> > will play almost anything anyhow.
> >
> > John
> >
> > > lsof /dev/dsp
> > >
> > > and it will tell me if arts has a hold of it.
> > > It's system sounds.  I haven't tried any games/apps yet.
> > >
> > > Rich
> > > Rich, I had to append "noapic" to my lilo boot commands and then system
> > > sounds worked. You can do it in MCC by just adding the words noapic to
> > > the append line. HTH Dennis M.
> 
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Re: [newbie] Sound Problems in MDK 9.1

[Ronald J. Hall]

On Friday 06 June 2003 04:32 pm, Inhabitant of Zion wrote:
> Hi
>
> this command throws out on my machine:
>
> COMMAND  PID   USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
> artsd   5290 williamjay8u   CHR   14,3  1586 /dev/sound/dsp
>
> Can somebody interpret this for me?

Yep, arts has hold of /dev/dsp. 2 things you can do. Temporarily, to get sound 
going, do a "kill 5290". Note that this will not always be the same number so 
always check first. You can also go into the KDE control center, sound server 
and adjust the time it takes for arts to release...

Hope this helps!

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Re: [newbie] Sound Problems in MDK 9.1

[Richard Urwin]

On Friday 06 Jun 2003 9:32 pm, Inhabitant of Zion wrote:
> Hi
>
> this command throws out on my machine:
>
> COMMAND  PID   USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
> artsd   5290 williamjay8u   CHR   14,3  1586 /dev/sound/dsp
>
> Can somebody interpret this for me?

You appear to have the same problem; arts has the sound device open.

> Still trying to get KsCD and Grip etc working. But its not deserate as Xine
> will play almost anything anyhow.
>
> John
>
> > lsof /dev/dsp
> >
> > and it will tell me if arts has a hold of it.
> > It's system sounds.  I haven't tried any games/apps yet.
> >
> > Rich
> > Rich, I had to append "noapic" to my lilo boot commands and then system
> > sounds worked. You can do it in MCC by just adding the words noapic to
> > the append line. HTH Dennis M.

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Re: [newbie] Sound Problems in MDK 9.1

[Inhabitant of Zion]

Hi

this command throws out on my machine:

COMMAND  PID   USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
artsd   5290 williamjay8u   CHR   14,3  1586 /dev/sound/dsp

Can somebody interpret this for me?

Still trying to get KsCD and Grip etc working. But its not deserate as Xine will play 
almost anything anyhow.

John

>
> lsof /dev/dsp
> 
> and it will tell me if arts has a hold of it. 
> It's system sounds.  I haven't tried any games/apps yet.
> 
> Rich 
> Rich, I had to append "noapic" to my lilo boot commands and then system
> sounds worked. You can do it in MCC by just adding the words noapic to the
> append line. HTH Dennis M.
> 


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RE: [newbie] Sound Problems in MDK 9.1

[Dennis . R . Myers]

Title: RE: [newbie] Sound Problems in MDK 9.1






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Subject: Re: [newbie] Sound Problems in MDK 9.1



On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 14:25, Ronald J. Hall wrote: 
On Friday 06 June 2003 01:39 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This morning I updated my 9.0 to 9.1 without a hitch except for sound -
> there isn't any.  The system is recognizing my sound card OK and I've
> checked all of the sound settings that I can find, but no joy!
>
> This exact same thing happened when I updated my laptop to 9.1 and,
> mysteriously, it just started working one day without warning!
>
> Any hints about where to look to get the sound going again?
>
> Rich


Rich, was it system sound or sound from games/apps? Sometimes arts will grab 
something like /dev/dsp and not let go unless you kill it. If for example, I 
start Starcraft (WineX) and there is no sound, I su to root and do a:


lsof /dev/dsp


and it will tell me if arts has a hold of it. 
It's system sounds.  I haven't tried any games/apps yet.


Rich 
Rich, I had to append "noapic" to my lilo boot commands and then system sounds worked. You can do it in MCC by just adding the words noapic to the append line. HTH Dennis M.

Re: [newbie] Sound Problems in MDK 9.1

[rluchor]

On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 14:25, Ronald J. Hall wrote:

On Friday 06 June 2003 01:39 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This morning I updated my 9.0 to 9.1 without a hitch except for sound -
> there isn't any.  The system is recognizing my sound card OK and I've
> checked all of the sound settings that I can find, but no joy!
>
> This exact same thing happened when I updated my laptop to 9.1 and,
> mysteriously, it just started working one day without warning!
>
> Any hints about where to look to get the sound going again?
>
> Rich

Rich, was it system sound or sound from games/apps? Sometimes arts will grab 
something like /dev/dsp and not let go unless you kill it. If for example, I 
start Starcraft (WineX) and there is no sound, I su to root and do a:

lsof /dev/dsp

and it will tell me if arts has a hold of it. 

It's system sounds.  I haven't tried any games/apps yet.

Rich

Re: [newbie] sound problems (the political aspect)

[tom brinkman]

On Friday 12 July 2002 04:20 pm, Mark Stewart wrote:
> Hi Tom,

Howdy yourself

> >ethical?  as in Micro$soft ?
>
> Gosh, no. Their complete lack of ethics is the reason I abhor
> Microsoft.

   There ya go

> > [ Optional, but requested, is quit buyin Dells.  Then they
> > wouldn't have so damn much of y'alls money to spend on those
> > irritating TV commercials. (more than they put into the actual
> > hardware)
> >  "Dude, you're gettin (stuck with) a Dell" ]
>
> This made me smile.

   There ya go ;)

> > It's what they don't say, or out right hide that'll kill ya.
> > Not sure what you mean 'as if the two were mutually exclusive.'
>
> Yah, I could've been clearer, sorry. I mean the assertion, explicit
> or implied, both of which I've seen frequently on the list, that
> closed source software cannot be quality software. I think this
> more than anything is what set me off on all this.

   It's not that it can't be, and I didn't mean to imply that it 
always isn't. You can infer tho, that it will taint an otherwise wide 
open and auditable system to suspicion, if not conflict. Civileme 
seems to believe even HDD corruption.

> > Mea
> > culpa, maybe inclusive?  I'll just say again, and this applies to
> > nVidia as much as any other closed source stuff or vendors
> > (Aureal), 'the drivers _will_ taint your kernel, and possibly
> > (probly) introduce unfixable, untraceable conflicts and security
> > issues.' ... or be orphaned or asimilated into the rest of the
> > wintel gang.
>
> I guess it's the juxtaposition of the notion of tainting your
> kernel and the pragmatic concerns (security, conflicts, etc) that
> has me confused. It sounds like you feel your kernel is tainted by
> the prescence of non-open source drivers both in an ethical and a
> functional sense. Perhaps I misunderstood?

We can leave ethical out of it for now.  Functionally they will 
taint, or at least render the kernel/system unauditable.  Any errors, 
security vulnerabilities, or conflicts that may or may not be present 
can't be discovered, managed, or fixed because of the introduced 
closed source, by it's very nature. 

  Also, Linux as with any other software/OS is a work in progress. New 
kernels are released regularly.  Even the most trusted closed source 
vendor, could inadvertently cause errors, security vulnerabilities, 
or conflicts with newer kernels, or even existing ones for that 
matter.

I smile when the same people on this list (or other venues), say 
in one thread that they need/want a stable system, no beta software 
or versions for them. Then turn around in another thread and say how 
great closed source drivers, or software (eg, StarOffice) are.  Me, I 
run a cooker system, and avoid as much as possible closed source 
drivers/software.  I believe I'm much better off.

   Addressing 'ethical', we havt'a get more into opinions. Mine are 
that those vendors who refuse to open their drivers/specs on the 
grounds of not wanting to expose they're intellectual property ... 
lie.  They've got handshake agreements, in black'n white, or under 
the table with the powers at be, not to, and they go along.  Some of 
it's quasi legal, as in cross licensing, some of it's just plain 
colusion and conspiracy.

 I only think proprietary
> drivers "taint" my kernel by introducing the possibility of
> functional problems. If the driver in question has no open source
> alternative with comparable
> quality/performance/features and I consider the functionality it
> provides essential then I'm fine with using it. I can accept that I
> am perhaps slightly more at risk of orphaned hardware. In no case
> am I going to be 'assimilated.'

 When I said assimilated, well a good example would be 3dfx. A 
true open source friend, free release of drivers and tech specs to 
the Linux community. They got killed for it by the wintel gang, 
namely by nVidia, but the gang was behind it also.  3dfx got 
assimilated.  Linux Voodoo users past the V3 got abandoned.

As far as "quality/performance/features".  Well partner, I'm usin 
an nVidia card.  With Linux I use the open source XFree 'nv' driver', 
no problemo.  Every once in a while when I wanna fly my Cessna 310, I 
boot W98 and use the card with the latest nVidia 29.80 winblows 
drivers. The 'quality/performance/features' of which are far superior 
to those that they manage to furnish for Linux**.  Even include 
oc'ing capabilities.  nVidia's Widoze drivers are regularly updated 
and are feature full, quite good.  Their Linux drivers cause problems 
and suck.  And yes, you can infer that this is intentional on their 
part.

**( every so often I compile a 'sacrifice' kernel and taint it with 
nVidia's latest secret drivers to try out FlightGear. Last go around 
was the 29.60 drivers from src.rpms.  Neither nvidia or FlightGear 
0.7.10 seemed up to par ... yet)

 Gettin back to assimilated, I'd bet the house that if nVidia ever 
defied the wintel gang, and really starte

Re: [newbie] sound problems (the political aspect)

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> If all you need is good 2D then Matrox or ATi have open
> source drivers and their older models can be found for under $100 easily.
> I haven't heard of any problems with the stability of their drivers but
> civileme (or other folks using them) would know for sure.

i have ATI Radeons in both machines here, and they run great.  i haven't 
played a lot with the 3d though

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Re: [newbie] sound problems (the political aspect)

[tom brinkman]

On Wednesday 10 July 2002 09:35 pm, Dennis Myers wrote:
> On Wednesday 10 July 2002 07:14 pm, tom brinkman wrote:

> >That's not a guess, usin closed source SW/drivers IS. Your
> > choice, but it has an effect on all of us, and not for the better
> > 

> Once again I ask the question, "what video card is open source and
> works as well or nearly as well as Nvidia cards?"  I am looking for
> a replacement for the reasons above. Found one Hercules that looks
> ok for about $75. Any other suggestions.

http://www.xfree86.org/4.2.0/Status.htmlIf you look there you'll 
find various vendors (listed by chipset).  That's for XF-4.2, there's 
also pages for older XFree versions.  You won't find Hercules, they 
make cards, not chips.  That Herc you're lookin at is most likely a 
nVidia chipset.

  The only truly well supported opensource Vcards were 3dfx (eg, 
voodoo3). nVidia has 2d OSS support, ATI has sort'a kind'a OSS 
support, Matrox fairly decent OSS support.
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Re: [newbie] sound problems

[et]

On Wednesday 10 July 2002 11:54 pm, you wrote:
> On Wednesday 10 July 2002 07:26 pm, et wrote:
> > but really Tom, how do you fell about winmodems (just joking)
>
>No worse or better than any other win-hardware, they don't even
> work very well with M$ winwoes.  The shame of it is gettin the more
> or less unsuspecting public to pay $40 for $2 worth of fake-hardware.
>
>Unfortunately, the more it proliferates, the more and longer uncle
> billy's got a strangle hold going. Integrated IE in winsux isn't
> Redmond's strength, it's win-hardware, and the people who accept or
> condone it. Can you say Palladium ?
>
> No joke  (sadly)
now amidst all this negtivism, lets consider that even win-hardware can be an 
excellent example.
Many folks buy win-hardware. The real questiion is why. Intial price and not 
including installion labor, or that installion is the same price and the 
specs look the same to the first time upgrader, so the conclusion is drawn by 
inexperianced users that they can save a few bucks. 
While modems have not had a "product upgrade cycle" in some long time, I bet 
a lot of folks remember buying a 2400baud modem, then 9 mo. later shelling 
out another $125.00 for a 9600baud modem , only to want a $14400 baud modem 4 
month later for $150.00, then a 28800 9 months later, then 6 months later 
it's a 33600, then finally a 56k that you keep a few years. (and with the 
money saved not buying a modem every 9 months I can afford to buy MDK 
powerpacks). the same strange desire to speed the connection and learn what 
ever I could that lead me to upgrade those modems every few months, may also 
be the same drive that leads me ( and maybe even folks that are addicted to 
over clocking and Cooker) to linux (and MDK).
The real difference (as I see it) is that the first time upgrader gets a bad 
taste from crummy win-hardware (that they still want to get working right and 
will spend more money to get it right, or at least to where it looks like its 
not killing the whole box), but get so much satisfaction from an entire OS 
install that works that he gets an erection the entire day. (Please excuse 
the sexest remarks, while it is "a guy thing" I hope almost anyone can 
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Re: [newbie] sound problems

[tom brinkman]

On Wednesday 10 July 2002 07:26 pm, et wrote:

> but really Tom, how do you fell about winmodems (just joking)

   No worse or better than any other win-hardware, they don't even 
work very well with M$ winwoes.  The shame of it is gettin the more 
or less unsuspecting public to pay $40 for $2 worth of fake-hardware. 

   Unfortunately, the more it proliferates, the more and longer uncle 
billy's got a strangle hold going. Integrated IE in winsux isn't 
Redmond's strength, it's win-hardware, and the people who accept or 
condone it. Can you say Palladium ?

No joke  (sadly)
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Re: [newbie] sound problems (the political aspect)

[Dennis Myers]

On Wednesday 10 July 2002 07:14 pm, tom brinkman wrote:
>  Mark Stewart wrote:
> >    Save your sanity, try to avoid win-hardware in the future,
> > blame uncle billy for aureal.  Look here to find a_real sound
> > card
> > 
> > http://www.alsa-project.org/~goemon/
> > --
> > Tom Brinkman  Corpus Christi, Texas
> > >>
> > >>   Well, your welcome to your opinions. The link I posted is
> > >> Deno's and Civileme's opinions.  Mine are that _any_ hardware
> > >> that requires closed source proprietary drivers to function is
> > >> WIN_hardware. It can't and never will be supported by Linux, the
> > >> drivers _will_ taint your kernel, and possibly (probly)
> > >> introduce unfixable, untraceable conflicts and security issues.
> > >
> > >Hmm. I really think "taint" is a problematic word since it
> > > suggests that it is mostly an ethical issue whereas I think
> > > Linus' objection is really mostly pragmatic.
>
>   from Google 'dictionary taint';
>
> Taint, v. t. [F. teint, p.p. of teindre to dye, tinge, fr. L. tingere,
> tinctum. See Tinge, and cf. Tint.]
> 1. To imbue or impregnate with something extraneous, especially with
> something odious, noxious, or poisonous; hence, to corrupt; to
> infect; to poison; as, putrid substance taint the air.
> 2. Fig.: To stain; to sully; to tarnish.
>
>ethical?  as in Micro$soft ?  sounds to me like my (et al) use of
> the word 'taint' in conjunction with win-hardware, closed source
> proprietary software/drivers is appropriate, even kind and gentle.
> Specially since I use the term 'introduce' rather than impregnate ;>
> Perhaps you'd prefer I use corrupt? or poisonous?, maybe noxious? or
> sully?  putrid? infect? tarnish?  _and_ with a much stronger term
> for delivery than impregnate ?
>They all apply. pragmatically ;)  ... unfortunately,
> realistically also.
>
>Google again, courtesy of Mr.Webster;
> Prag*mat"ic, n.
> 1. One skilled in affairs.
> 2. A solemn public ordinance or decree.
>
>So I hereby decree y'all quit buyin win-hardware, swear off closed
> source software/drivers.  Save Linux and open source 
>[ Optional, but requested, is quit buyin Dells.  Then they wouldn't
> have so damn much of y'alls money to spend on those irritating TV
> commercials. (more than they put into the actual hardware)
>  "Dude, you're gettin (stuck with) a Dell" ]
>
> >I hope I'm not coming across as a complete curmudgeon here. I've just
>
> grown
>
> >a little weary of the continuous bashing of non-open software's
>
> quality
>
> >(e.g. NVidia's drivers) as if the two were mutually exclusive.
>
> It's what they don't say, or out right hide that'll kill ya.
> Not sure what you mean 'as if the two were mutually exclusive.' Mea
> culpa, maybe inclusive?  I'll just say again, and this applies to
> nVidia as much as any other closed source stuff or vendors (Aureal),
> 'the drivers _will_ taint your kernel, and possibly (probly)
> introduce unfixable, untraceable conflicts and security issues.'
> ... or be orphaned or asimilated into the rest of the wintel gang.
>
>That's not a guess, usin closed source SW/drivers IS. Your choice,
> but it has an effect on all of us, and not for the better 
Once again I ask the question, "what video card is open source and works as 
well or nearly as well as Nvidia cards?"  I am looking for a replacement for 
the reasons above. Found one Hercules that looks ok for about $75. Any other 
suggestions. 
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Re: [newbie] sound problems

[et]

On Wednesday 10 July 2002 04:48 pm, you wrote:
> On Wednesday 10 July 2002 01:12 pm, Randy Kramer wrote:
> > tom brinkman wrote:
> > >   All I originally said was
> > >
> > > > Save your sanity, try to avoid win-hardware in the future,
> > > > blame uncle billy for aureal.  Look here to find a_real sound
> > > > card
> >
> > Maybe so, but, AFAICT, you also said this:
> > > > > Doing so
> > > > > without knowledge or acceptance of the pitfalls is just plain
> > > > > foolishness. A user error, and a regression to a Winblows
> > > > > mindset.  YMMV
> > > > > --
> > > > > Tom Brinkman  Corpus Christi, Texas
> >
> > Which, if said to me, I would probably consider insulting.  YMMV
> >
> > Also, it seems to me that you were the first to move toward
> > incendiary language.
> >
> > regards,
> > Randy Kramer
>
>  Such as? [example of: incendiary language, or any personal attack]
>
>Seems to me, the ideal of converting Windoze users to a Linux
> desktop, starts with education and investigation ... on their part
> and ours.  I've attacked this notion of usin winhardware and closed
> source secret stuff with Linux, but not the persons who think it's
> permissable. Which it isn't for all the reasons Deno and Cilvileme
> (previous Mdk Forum link) and I gave. 'Sends a chill up my spine'
> (where have you read that before lately ?)
>
>
>Appears some of y'all believe we should coddle and court the
> winblows mindset with the goal of Linux takin over the desktop. Ain't
> gonna happen.  Most people (winwoes users) will foster and blindly
> accept mediocrity till they're stuck with it.  Which has and is
> happening.  Seems to me some Linux users are willing to follow also.
> Then we'll all be stuck runnin on win-hardware eventually. Which has
> and is happening.
>
> If you were insulted by 'foolishness. A user error, and a
> regression to a Winblows mindset.' that's your deal. I can only
> suggest you get your feelings off your shirt sleeve, 'try to avoid
> win-hardware' and proprietary closed source software in the future.


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Re: [newbie] sound problems (the political aspect)

[tom brinkman]

On Wednesday 10 July 2002 03:16 pm, civileme wrote:
  < frightening future of Linux Co.'s snipped>
> But, make no mistake, the issue is open versus closed source.  On
> 5% of the market and a whole lot less than 5% of the money, linux
> has made a world-class Op system that makes Windows look sick.   
> The issue is keeping the computer you paid for belonging to you,
> and if you use closed source that ownership comes into question
> immediately.
>
> Civileme

   Whut he said !! ;)  Specially the "if you use closed source that 
ownership comes into question immediately." part.  Hardware or 
software would be my addition, they go hand in hand.
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Re: [newbie] sound problems

[tom brinkman]

On Wednesday 10 July 2002 01:12 pm, Randy Kramer wrote:
> tom brinkman wrote:
> >   All I originally said was
> >
> > > Save your sanity, try to avoid win-hardware in the future,
> > > blame uncle billy for aureal.  Look here to find a_real sound
> > > card
>
> Maybe so, but, AFAICT, you also said this:
> > > > Doing so
> > > > without knowledge or acceptance of the pitfalls is just plain
> > > > foolishness. A user error, and a regression to a Winblows
> > > > mindset.  YMMV
> > > > --
> > > > Tom Brinkman  Corpus Christi, Texas
>
> Which, if said to me, I would probably consider insulting.  YMMV
>
> Also, it seems to me that you were the first to move toward
> incendiary language.
>
> regards,
> Randy Kramer

 Such as? [example of: incendiary language, or any personal attack] 

   Seems to me, the ideal of converting Windoze users to a Linux 
desktop, starts with education and investigation ... on their part 
and ours.  I've attacked this notion of usin winhardware and closed 
source secret stuff with Linux, but not the persons who think it's 
permissable. Which it isn't for all the reasons Deno and Cilvileme 
(previous Mdk Forum link) and I gave. 'Sends a chill up my spine' 
(where have you read that before lately ?) 

   
   Appears some of y'all believe we should coddle and court the 
winblows mindset with the goal of Linux takin over the desktop. Ain't 
gonna happen.  Most people (winwoes users) will foster and blindly 
accept mediocrity till they're stuck with it.  Which has and is 
happening.  Seems to me some Linux users are willing to follow also.  
Then we'll all be stuck runnin on win-hardware eventually. Which has 
and is happening.

If you were insulted by 'foolishness. A user error, and a 
regression to a Winblows mindset.' that's your deal. I can only 
suggest you get your feelings off your shirt sleeve, 'try to avoid 
win-hardware' and proprietary closed source software in the future.
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Re: [newbie] sound problems

[tom brinkman]

On Wednesday 10 July 2002 06:01 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:

> I don't disagree with the principles stated, as I tried to make
> clear. What I do disagree with is when an ex Dos user or ex
> winblows user is told to trash their beloved hardware that they may

> > So it's simply a user choice, and not a Linux or Mandrake
> > isssue to risk using win-hardware and/or introducing closed
> > source binary programs in any form into their system.  Doing so
> > without knowledge or acceptance of the pitfalls is just plain
> > foolishness. A user error, and a regression to a Winblows
> > mindset.  YMMV
> > --
> > Tom Brinkman  Corpus Christi, Texas
>
> Hmmm.  Well, I'm glad I was not saddled with such extreme
> predjudices against the hardware I have now, or I certainly would
> not have achieved the level of performance and satisfaction I now
> enjoy as a result of a somewhat more open mindset when it comes to
> soundcards and mobos.  I just don't believe in blindly crucifying
> LX

   extreme predjudices?  blindly crucifying?  trash hardware ?

  All I originally said was

> Save your sanity, try to avoid win-hardware in the future, blame 
> uncle billy for aureal.  Look here to find a_real sound card
 
   Seems like the pots callin the kettle black LX

   I'll stick with my original advice
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RE: [newbie] sound problems (the political aspect)

[Mark Stewart]

> > >Save your sanity, try to avoid win-hardware in the future,
> > > blame uncle billy for aureal.  Look here to find a_real sound
> > > card
> > >
> > > http://www.alsa-project.org/~goemon/
> > > --
> > > Tom Brinkman  Corpus Christi, Texas
> >
> > In defense of Aureal, the hardware itself is excellent.  In all
> > probability Aureal would be supplying Linux drivers right now if
> > Creative Labs had not pulled a MicroShaft on them, taking them out
> > in court over a lawsuit that had no basis in reality.  As a young
> > company, Aureal had not developed sufficient resources for an
> > extended court battle.  To add insult to injury, Creative Labs
> > ended up absorbing Aureal's assets after they forced them out of
> > business.  Now everybody walks around extolling the pluses of
> > Creative Labs cards, and most don't have a clue about what dirty
> > tricks they pulled to get there. AKA M$.
> >
> > The Aureal hardware is high quality hardware, and it's no accident
> > that Aureal owners are very passionate about their cards.  Aureal
> > as a company no longer exists in order to defend itself.  Further,
> > I hate to see someone hung for what they may or may not have done;
> > AKA "Minority Report".  Aureal was the kind of company that would
> > have responded to user requests, if they had not been so busy
> > battling Creative Labs in court. That choice was forcibly taken
> > from them.
> >
> > I myself have an Nvidia card, a Via chipset, an HPT370 Raid
> > controller, and an Aureal soundcard combo.  According to
> > "conventional" wisdom I should be totally dead in the water;
> > however in my experience what I have encountered have been merely
> > configuration issues, and Linux Mandrake has been more than able to
> > handle the hardware as long as I correctly told it what to do.  Now
> > that the hardware curves have been negotiated, I see them as being
> > no different from what everybody else has to go through in getting
> > accustomed to their hardware's personalities and ideosyncracies;
> > that even includes Winblows users -- they have configuration
> > problems too.  Even WITH native drivers.
> >
> > Winmodems deserve a special spot in hell; however that category
> > does not apply to the superb hardware setup I've got now, or any of
> > it's peripherals.  They've all got drivers and they all work more
> > than satisfactorily.  And yes I think companies should be
> > encouraged to support Linux more in regard to their peripherals;
> > but not at the expense of a witchhunt against perfectly good
> > hardware that works, or the intentional disregard of the "minority
> > report".
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > LX
>
>Well, your welcome to your opinions. The link I posted is Deno's
> and Civileme's opinions.  Mine are that _any_ hardware that requires
> closed source proprietary drivers to function is WIN_hardware. It
> can't and never will be supported by Linux, the drivers _will_ taint
> your kernel, and possibly (probly) introduce unfixable, untraceable
> conflicts and security issues.  IOW's, reduce a real OS to the same
> quality as those that come out of Redmond.  That's the main reason
> that linux-kernel (and Linus) routinely ignore any bug reports
> involving nVidia drivers, or any win-hardare or closed source
> proprietary software (eg, StarOffice) for that matter. There's also
> the user risk that their hardware will be orphaned and abandoned, as
> is the case with Aureal.
>
>  So it's simply a user choice, and not a Linux or Mandrake isssue
> to risk using win-hardware and/or introducing closed source binary
> programs in any form into their system.  Doing so without knowledge
> or acceptance of the pitfalls is just plain foolishness. A user
> error, and a regression to a Winblows mindset.  YMMV

Hmm. I really think "taint" is a problematic word since it suggests that it
is mostly an ethical issue whereas I think Linus' objection is really mostly
pragmatic. Black box drivers are (as you point out) a pain in the butt for a
kernel developer. But when it comes to stuff that really effect his work he
unrepentently uses the best tool available for the job (BitKeeper, the
non-open source control system he and the other kernel hackers use). If his
work involved 3D images I would guess he'd be using NVidia's proprietary
drivers since they (and the video cards they're written for) are the best
available. (Linux Journal had an interesting piece about Industrial Light
and Magic's experience with Linux, NVidia and the drivers they use.) It
would be great if NVidia were to release their drivers as open source. If
and when Linux becomes a major force on the desktop perhaps they will.
Certainly they do good bit of work to make the drivers available on Linux so
they clearly have some interest, especially as ISVs port to it. Then again,
unlike most companies who make the claim, their drivers *are* a competitive
advantage for them.

I also think the 'orphaned and abandoned

Re: [newbie] sound problems

[mike]

though I am not a Linux guru by any means, 
I would like to concur with the thoughs of Lyvim.

I have severial win only type bits of hardware, like my Nvidia card, Win
hp printer,
etc. and have found that as LX mentioned it was only a matter of
configuration.
In fact I like to try to put LM on older hardware to see if I can and
with only a few exceptions, ( mostly limited because of the gui
requirements in the latest releases ) 
I have had only minor problems, or issues which are of little real
importance. For example, I can't get LM_sensors to function properly on
one of my boxes running 8.2.
This is a non issue for me because I have an external readout for temps
anyway, and besides I'm sure it will be corrected soon anyway. 

It's funny how there seems to be a view of some that older hardware, and
older versions of Mandrake, are not worth the effort. it's also amusing
how many of these who bash,
some older piece of hardware or OS, was something they praised not that
long ago. 
Cutting edge is all well and good, but it also has it's down side of
needing tweaking to run really well on a large base of configurations. I
personally prefer LM 8.0 over any version so far, as I can get it to run
everything on everything I have. I like many of the new features of 8.2
and it runs better on my laptop, but on my main box, athlon 1 gig,
ep-8kta3 pro MB, Nvidia tnt, SB Live, 3com NIC's, adaptec 2906 scsi, 8.0
runs much better. Why should I or anyone change when I can do everything
I want with my hardware and a perfectly good older version of
mandrake??? 

This of course is only my humble opinion, and Your mileage may vary
I know I could have said IMHO and YMMV but it's still readable Yes?

Tongue very much in cheek ;-) 

-- 
Mike McNeese


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RE: [newbie] sound problems

[Myers, Dennis R NWO]

Title: RE: [newbie] sound problems







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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 3:10 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] sound problems



john drouhard wrote:


>I need a lot of help. I am very fed up with my aureal card. I have everything 
>I can think of. I have a vortex 2 (au8830). I have installed the CVS drivers 
>from Sourceforge, and the install did not find my aureal card. I had to 
>manually make the driver as an au8830. It didn't work after I installed 
>these. When I try to use ALSA, it can't open /dev/dsp becasue of an invalid 
>argument. I need any help I can get.
>
>John Drouhard
>
>P.S. I do have a VIA mobo and an nvidia card, but I tried the extra things to 
>change. Thanks for any help.
>
>
>
>
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If you have a Dell version of that card, it will never work with the 
standard drivers and Dell does not supply linux drivers for it.


Aureal has been out of business for a while, and the drivers from 
sourceforge are just a source wrapper to the old binary, secret driver 
Aureal supplied, which is why it is increasingly difficult to maintain. 
 In order to make it work you have to compile it as a kernel module. 
 This is coverewd in Chapter 14 of the Mandrake Reference Guide, but not 
in any detail.  It is the same as kernel compilation except you just 
make deps then make modules make modules install...  If you can get it 
to work, the sound is as nice as any other sound card, but of course you 
have placed an unknown black box into your system, in a position to run 
privileged and talk directly to the kernel.


Personally, I would never use it (the card) because binary-only drivers 
give me a chill down the spine.


Civileme


Speaking of which, are there any suggestions for a video card that works as well as an nvidia chipset card, but using open source drivers. I have wasted a few bucks on an Nvidia card and with the new kernel 2.4.18-8.1 I can't get it to work on the d/l'd drivers. It works ok with the drivers that come in ML8.2 but no tuxracer. No way to figure out (for me at least)why so now I am looking for a better vidio card. Better as in opensource. Thanks, 

Dennis M. 

Re: [newbie] sound problems

[civileme]

john drouhard wrote:

>I need a lot of help. I am very fed up with my aureal card. I have everything 
>I can think of. I have a vortex 2 (au8830). I have installed the CVS drivers 
>from Sourceforge, and the install did not find my aureal card. I had to 
>manually make the driver as an au8830. It didn't work after I installed 
>these. When I try to use ALSA, it can't open /dev/dsp becasue of an invalid 
>argument. I need any help I can get.
>
>John Drouhard
>
>P.S. I do have a VIA mobo and an nvidia card, but I tried the extra things to 
>change. Thanks for any help.
>
>
>
>
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If you have a Dell version of that card, it will never work with the 
standard drivers and Dell does not supply linux drivers for it.

Aureal has been out of business for a while, and the drivers from 
sourceforge are just a source wrapper to the old binary, secret driver 
Aureal supplied, which is why it is increasingly difficult to maintain. 
 In order to make it work you have to compile it as a kernel module. 
 This is coverewd in Chapter 14 of the Mandrake Reference Guide, but not 
in any detail.  It is the same as kernel compilation except you just 
make deps then make modules make modules install...  If you can get it 
to work, the sound is as nice as any other sound card, but of course you 
have placed an unknown black box into your system, in a position to run 
privileged and talk directly to the kernel.

Personally, I would never use it (the card) because binary-only drivers 
give me a chill down the spine.

Civileme








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Re: [newbie] sound problems

[john drouhard]

On Monday 08 July 2002 11:17 pm, you wrote:
> John,
>
> I'll try to help as best I can.  Sorry that the information you've
> gotten so far has not helped; I hope we can get it working.
>
> Have you tried changing the interrupt that the card resides on?
>
> And have you managed to get the exact model of the Aureal 8830/8820 that
> you have?  Mine turned out to be a Superquad.
>
> What is the present IRQ that you card is on?
>
> LX

Okay, I am a little clueless. I do know that my aureal card was set to irq 10
before I installed a sound blaster 16 card. (I needed sound in Linux, but
could NOT get the drivers to work. It is now IRQ 11.)

I don't know how to change an interrupt (sorry to be clueless.)

The exact model I have is an authentic aureal. the win drivers on the cd are
A-3D copyright 1999 Aureal, Inc. On the actual card, it says A-3D and Aureal.
It also has powered by vortex.

John Drouhard
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Re: [newbie] sound problems

[tom brinkman]

On Monday 08 July 2002 11:55 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-07-08 at 17:38, tom brinkman wrote:
> > On Monday 08 July 2002 03:20 pm, john drouhard wrote:
> > > I need a lot of help. I am very fed up with my aureal card. I
> > > have everything I can think of. I have a vortex 2 (au8830). I
> > > have installed the CVS drivers from Sourceforge, and the
> > > install did not find my aureal card. I had to manually make the
> > > driver as an au8830. It didn't work after I installed these.
> > > When I try to use ALSA, it can't open /dev/dsp becasue of an
> > > invalid argument. I need any help I can get.
> >
> > http://www.mandrakeforum.org/article.php?sid=427&lang=en
> >
> >Save your sanity, try to avoid win-hardware in the future,
> > blame uncle billy for aureal.  Look here to find a_real sound
> > card
> >
> > http://www.alsa-project.org/~goemon/
> > --
> > Tom Brinkman  Corpus Christi, Texas
>
> In defense of Aureal, the hardware itself is excellent.  In all
> probability Aureal would be supplying Linux drivers right now if
> Creative Labs had not pulled a MicroShaft on them, taking them out
> in court over a lawsuit that had no basis in reality.  As a young
> company, Aureal had not developed sufficient resources for an
> extended court battle.  To add insult to injury, Creative Labs
> ended up absorbing Aureal's assets after they forced them out of
> business.  Now everybody walks around extolling the pluses of
> Creative Labs cards, and most don't have a clue about what dirty
> tricks they pulled to get there. AKA M$.
>
> The Aureal hardware is high quality hardware, and it's no accident
> that Aureal owners are very passionate about their cards.  Aureal
> as a company no longer exists in order to defend itself.  Further,
> I hate to see someone hung for what they may or may not have done;
> AKA "Minority Report".  Aureal was the kind of company that would
> have responded to user requests, if they had not been so busy
> battling Creative Labs in court. That choice was forcibly taken
> from them.
>
> I myself have an Nvidia card, a Via chipset, an HPT370 Raid
> controller, and an Aureal soundcard combo.  According to
> "conventional" wisdom I should be totally dead in the water;
> however in my experience what I have encountered have been merely
> configuration issues, and Linux Mandrake has been more than able to
> handle the hardware as long as I correctly told it what to do.  Now
> that the hardware curves have been negotiated, I see them as being
> no different from what everybody else has to go through in getting
> accustomed to their hardware's personalities and ideosyncracies;
> that even includes Winblows users -- they have configuration
> problems too.  Even WITH native drivers.
>
> Winmodems deserve a special spot in hell; however that category
> does not apply to the superb hardware setup I've got now, or any of
> it's peripherals.  They've all got drivers and they all work more
> than satisfactorily.  And yes I think companies should be
> encouraged to support Linux more in regard to their peripherals;
> but not at the expense of a witchhunt against perfectly good
> hardware that works, or the intentional disregard of the "minority
> report".
>
> Best Regards,
>
> LX

   Well, your welcome to your opinions. The link I posted is Deno's 
and Civileme's opinions.  Mine are that _any_ hardware that requires 
closed source proprietary drivers to function is WIN_hardware. It 
can't and never will be supported by Linux, the drivers _will_ taint 
your kernel, and possibly (probly) introduce unfixable, untraceable 
conflicts and security issues.  IOW's, reduce a real OS to the same 
quality as those that come out of Redmond.  That's the main reason 
that linux-kernel (and Linus) routinely ignore any bug reports 
involving nVidia drivers, or any win-hardare or closed source 
proprietary software (eg, StarOffice) for that matter. There's also 
the user risk that their hardware will be orphaned and abandoned, as 
is the case with Aureal.

So it's simply a user choice, and not a Linux or Mandrake isssue 
to risk using win-hardware and/or introducing closed source binary 
programs in any form into their system.  Doing so without knowledge 
or acceptance of the pitfalls is just plain foolishness. A user 
error, and a regression to a Winblows mindset.  YMMV
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Re: [newbie] sound problems

[tom brinkman]

On Monday 08 July 2002 03:20 pm, john drouhard wrote:
> I need a lot of help. I am very fed up with my aureal card. I have
> everything I can think of. I have a vortex 2 (au8830). I have
> installed the CVS drivers from Sourceforge, and the install did not
> find my aureal card. I had to manually make the driver as an
> au8830. It didn't work after I installed these. When I try to use
> ALSA, it can't open /dev/dsp becasue of an invalid argument. I need
> any help I can get.  

http://www.mandrakeforum.org/article.php?sid=427&lang=en

   Save your sanity, try to avoid win-hardware in the future, blame 
uncle billy for aureal.  Look here to find a_real sound card

http://www.alsa-project.org/~goemon/
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Re: [newbie] Sound Problems (was BIG Trouble)

[Dennis Myers]

On Friday 05 July 2002 08:06 pm, you wrote:
> Dennis Myers wrote:
> > On Thursday 04 July 2002 05:01 pm, you wrote:
> >
> > Not wanting to throw a monkey wrench into anything but for those with a
> > SBLive! like I have, I discovered that if you do not load the "alsa
> > player" and the associated "alsautils" during the actual installation of
> > the OS, then sound works fine in all cd players and midi drivers are
> > listed.  Don't know why that is, but it is. (now there were two very bad
> > sentences, hope they are understandable).  For what it is worth it may
> > solve somebody elses' sound problems.
>
> I found I can't NOT install alsa when I load KDE iirc.  Is that the case?
>
> Thx.
> Femme
Not as far as I can tell.  I use the flat list always, to pick and choose 
what gets into the install and those two alsa packages I alsa leave out. Ha! 
Sometimes I just can't help it. Anyway, when looking at file manager > 
installable they are both available to be installed, ergo they are not. And, 
KDE runs just fine without them on my desktop. HTH
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Re: [newbie] Sound Problems (was BIG Trouble)

[FemmeFatale]

Dennis Myers wrote:
> On Thursday 04 July 2002 05:01 pm, you wrote:

> Not wanting to throw a monkey wrench into anything but for those with a 
> SBLive! like I have, I discovered that if you do not load the "alsa player" 
> and the associated "alsautils" during the actual installation of the OS, then 
> sound works fine in all cd players and midi drivers are listed.  Don't know 
> why that is, but it is. (now there were two very bad sentences, hope they are 
> understandable).  For what it is worth it may solve somebody elses' sound 
> problems.  
> 

I found I can't NOT install alsa when I load KDE iirc.  Is that the case?

Thx.
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Re: [newbie] Sound Problems (was BIG Trouble)

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 05 Jul 2002 8:54 am, you wrote:
> On Friday 05 July 2002 02:46 am, you wrote:
> > Something went wrong overnight.  I tried to start XMMS this morning, and
> > it froze.  I tried a fresh login, then a re-boot, but I'm without sound
> > again. What should I check now, please?
> >
> > Anne
>
> Hi Anne, I am going to be out of town until Monday, but I suggest you try
> everything you had before this morning to see if it works again. Try
> changing to autodetect, ALSA, and OSS and just play around with things
> until they work. I'll be back Monday!
>
> John Drouhard

I'm beginning to wonder if there is a power-saving problem cutting in here.  
I have a suspicion that I find it silent after I have been away from my desk 
for a while.  The monitor closes down, and it is quite possible that there is 
some other power management goin on.  I'm going to try to find out what is 
happening on these lines, just in case.  If I can I'll switch anything like 
that off and see if it makes a difference.

Anne



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Re: [newbie] Sound Problems (was BIG Trouble)

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 04 Jul 2002 10:01 pm, you wrote:
> > > Is your sound working ok, or are there still problems with the XMMS
> > > plugins. aRtsd is used by ALSA, so if you choose that in KDE control
> > > center, then it will definitely use aRtsd. I advise putting it back on
>
> OSS
>
> > > or Autodetect. ALSA has many errors a lot. I find OSS to be the best.
> > >
> > > John Drouhard
> >
> > I think I'm OK now, it's certainly better.  I have Start aRts soundserver
>
> on
>
> > KDE startup enabled.  Should I take this out?  How do I put it onto OSS
> > or Autodetect?  The Sound I/O is on Autodetect - is this the one you
> > mean?
> >
> > Sorry to be so clueless
> >
> > Anne
>
> It's ok to have aRtsd running on boot. Yes, the Sound I/O is where you
> would specify Autodetect or OSS. What I suggest, is that you try each of
> them (Autodetect, OSS, and ALSA), and try XMMS with them. Which ever one
> works the best, should be the one you use. As long as sound comes out of
> the programs you want it to, and it sounds ok, then you should leave
> everything alone. :-)  Talk to you later!
>

Thanks for trying to make things clearer.  I'll experiment, as you say.  It 
definitely seems to be an aRts problem, as once again this morning I had to 
do an aRts 'hang up' and re-login to get things working again, so I'll try 
the options other than Auto and see what happens.

Anne




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Re: [newbie] Sound Problems (was BIG Trouble)

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 03 Jul 2002 10:32 pm, you wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 July 2002 01:42 pm, you wrote:
> > Thanks - that's a great help.  At least it has started up (fresh login)
> > without the error messages.  Any other recommendations while we're on the
> > subject?
> >
> > Anne
>
> Is your sound working ok, or are there still problems with the XMMS
> plugins. aRtsd is used by ALSA, so if you choose that in KDE control
> center, then it will definitely use aRtsd. I advise putting it back on OSS
> or Autodetect. ALSA has many errors a lot. I find OSS to be the best.
>
> John Drouhard

I think I'm OK now, it's certainly better.  I have Start aRts soundserver on 
KDE startup enabled.  Should I take this out?  How do I put it onto OSS or 
Autodetect?  The Sound I/O is on Autodetect - is this the one you mean?

Sorry to be so clueless

Anne




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Re: [newbie] Sound Problems (was BIG Trouble)

[john drouhard]

On Wednesday 03 July 2002 01:42 pm, you wrote:
> Thanks - that's a great help.  At least it has started up (fresh login)
> without the error messages.  Any other recommendations while we're on the
> subject?
>
> Anne

Is your sound working ok, or are there still problems with the XMMS plugins. 
aRtsd is used by ALSA, so if you choose that in KDE control center, then it 
will definitely use aRtsd. I advise putting it back on OSS or Autodetect. 
ALSA has many errors a lot. I find OSS to be the best.

John Drouhard



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Re: [newbie] Sound Problems (was BIG Trouble)

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 03 Jul 2002 11:27 am, you wrote:
> On Tuesday 02 July 2002 09:28 am, you wrote:
> > I keep getting error messages llike
> >
> > "Artsd should run with realtime scheduling, but it does not (is
> > artswrapper suid root?).
> >
> > The aRts sound daemon will not autosuspend right now since there are
> > active modeles."
> >
> > SounServer shows "Run soundserver with realtime priority" ticked.
>
> to check and see if artwrapper is running suid root, type:
> ls -l $(which artswrapper)
>
> If you get this,
> -rwxr-xr-x1 root root
>
> It is bad. This is good.
> -rwsr-xr-x1 root root
>
> To get the s, follow these commands,
> chown root $(which artswrapper)
> chmod 4755 $(which artswrapper)
>
> That'll fix the real time sceduling error, and I do advise using Full
> Duplex. The sound quality is not good without it.

Thanks - that's a great help.  At least it has started up (fresh login) 
without the error messages.  Any other recommendations while we're on the 
subject?

Anne




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Re: [newbie] Sound Problems (was BIG Trouble)

[john drouhard]

On Tuesday 02 July 2002 09:28 am, you wrote:
> I keep getting error messages llike
>
> "Artsd should run with realtime scheduling, but it does not (is artswrapper
> suid root?).
>
> The aRts sound daemon will not autosuspend right now since there are active
> modeles."
>
> SounServer shows "Run soundserver with realtime priority" ticked.

to check and see if artwrapper is running suid root, type:
ls -l $(which artswrapper)

If you get this,
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root

It is bad. This is good.
-rwsr-xr-x1 root root

To get the s, follow these commands,
chown root $(which artswrapper)
chmod 4755 $(which artswrapper)

That'll fix the real time sceduling error, and I do advise using Full Duplex. 
The sound quality is not good without it.



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Re: [newbie] Sound Problems (was BIG Trouble)

[civileme]

Anne Wilson wrote:

>Whilst browsing the documentation for XMMS, I checked the XMMS Preferences 
>Window.  I foud that the Output Plugin being used was OSS, although aRTS is 
>running.  The documentation says that it is very important to get this right, 
>but I can find no way of changing it.
>
>It seems all to easy to crash aRTS - perhaps because of this conflict?
>
>Can anyone help, please?
>
>Anne
>
>
>
>
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chkconfig --del alsa

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Re: [newbie] sound problems

[Frans Ketelaars]

On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 15:59:59 -0400
KC1DI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello all
> 
> just joined the list.. and need some help.. I have had no sucess trying to 
> configure my audio in Mandrake 8.2..  I Have an SIS onboard audio card 
> get the error message /dev/dsp not valid device when KDE starts up  any 
> advice where to look first?
> Thanks 
> Dave 

Mandrake control centre -> hardware -> hardware list -> soundcards. If
the onboard audio is not recognised an URL for the desription of your
mainboard would help. HTH,

-Frans



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Re: [newbie] Sound problems with Dell OptiPlex GX1

[Frans Ketelaars]

On 03 Apr 2002 13:40:03 -0800
"James A. Peltier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I just installed Mandrake 8.2 yesterday hoping that it would properly
> detect and configure my CS4232 based sound card.  When this didn't
> happen my heart sank and I began to cry "Why GOD!!!? Why doesn't it
> work!!?"
> 
> After my brief escape from reality I attempted to configure it using
> harddrake and kudzu.  harddrake sees the sound card but has problems
> with the MPU stating it can't find isa-pnp module.  Ok maybe this
> wouldn't work and I thought I should try running sndconfig.  When I run
> sndconfig it properly detects it as a CS423x based card and then does
> the wave test where linus speaks.  I can here this but when it tries
> midi it bombs out and asks me to manually configure it.  I've tried all
> combinations I can think of and it doesn't work.
> 
> I can't for the life of me get this working.  I'm sure it's simple and
> I'll prolly wanna shoot myself in the head because of it.
> 
> _ALL_ help is very much appreciated.
> 
> BTW: I'm not running windows so I can't get any settings that way as per
> some GOOGLE searches recommend. Any chance that this card will be
> detected properly in future releases.
> 
> 
> Below is the output of a pnpdump
> 
> # $Id: pnpdump_main.c,v 1.27 2001/04/30 21:54:53 fox Exp $
> # Release isapnptools-1.26
> #
> # This is free software, see the sources for details.
> # This software has NO WARRANTY, use at your OWN RISK
> #
> # For details of the output file format, see isapnp.conf(5)
> #
> # For latest information and FAQ on isapnp and pnpdump see:
> # http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/
> #
> # Compiler flags:  -DREALTIME -DHAVE_PROC -DENABLE_PCI
> -DHAVE_SCHED_SETSCHEDULER -DHAVE_NANOSLEEP -DWANT_TO_VALIDATE
> #
> # Trying port address 0273
> # Board 1 has serial identifier b6 ff ff ff ff 35 68 63 0e
> 
> # (DEBUG)
> (READPORT 0x0273)
> (ISOLATE PRESERVE)
> (IDENTIFY *)
> (VERBOSITY 2)
> (CONFLICT (IO FATAL)(IRQ FATAL)(DMA FATAL)(MEM FATAL)) # or WARNING
> 
> # Card 1: (serial identifier b6 ff ff ff ff 35 68 63 0e)
> # Vendor Id CSC6835, No Serial Number (-1), checksum 0xB6.
> # Version 1.0, Vendor version 0.1
> # ANSI string -->CS4236B<--



FYI: ALSA (in LM 8.2) has a snd-card-cs4232 and a snd-card-cs4236 driver.

But let's first try OSS: what happens if, as root, you 'modprobe cs4232'?
Do you get sound working after that? HTH,

-Frans



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Re: [newbie] sound problems

[milt]

Got sound functioning on my system now BUT, it tends to freeze up all the
time! I mean a total freeze up. What would be causing this to happen? CD
Player works fine. I can get XMMS to load and play a song.. but then when
I go to load another song it freezes up! The sound is working but it
seems to have made my linux setup VERY unstable and causes it to freeze
up. Any clue to figure out the problem?


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Re: [newbie] sound problems LM7.0

[hellmut]

Hi!

Is there maybe an onboard soundchip in your system? I once had problems
with this onboard crap and had to to manually configure the soundcard.
Using the onboard chip made my system hang, too.



> I experience system hangs when trying to play mp3's.My
> hardware:Western Digital 18 Gb hd(7200 rpm)intel celeron 400 mhzabit
> be6 motherboardsoundblaster live 1024 (value?)256 mb pc100 RAM (not
> shure about who made it) anybody else having similar problems? Tony

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Re: [newbie] Sound problems (fwd)

[philomena]

Hi,

I downloaded the soundrake 0.8, as well as the most recent Detect, which is needed
by soundrake. I could install the detect libraries, but not soundrake as I need to
get the most recent alsa. However, now, when I open DrakConf and try to start the
Hardware Configuration utility, nothing happens - it won't execute - no error
messages, just no program. Any ideas what to do ? I tried uninstalling detect
through kpackage but it has dependancies and I couldn't uninstall. Help is
appreciated.

Thanks,
philomena

Denis HAVLIK wrote:

> Hope this helps.
>
> cu
> Denis
>
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> Date: 07 Jun 2000 11:34:01 +0200
> From: Alexandre Dussart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Denis HAVLIK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Sound problems (fwd)
>
> Denis HAVLIK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > This happend now-and there. Why, actually?
>
> Because options to get it works(SB Live!) have been changed
> bewteen 7.0 and 7.1, and it was too late to adapt sounddrake, the best
> way is to upgrade to sounddrake 0.8 version(available on harddrake website).
>
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 07:38:30 GMT
> > From: John McCrudden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [newbie] Sound problems
> >
> > I have a Sound Blaster Live! and it doesn't work in Linux. my Kernel version
> > is 2.2.14. what do i do to get it working because Lothar brings up a message
> > saying "Error in modprobe call"!
>
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Re: [newbie] Sound problems

[michael]

On Wed, 07 Jun 2000, you wrote:
> Hi John,
> 
> You may need an updated driver - go here :
> http://www.opensource.creativelabs.com/
> and download the latest source. Follow the readme directions on compiling and
> installing - should give you sound.
> 
> philomena
> 
> John McCrudden wrote:
> 
> > I have a Sound Blaster Live! and it doesn't work in Linux. my Kernel version
> > is 2.2.14. what do i do to get it working because Lothar brings up a message
> > saying "Error in modprobe call"!
> > 
> > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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Re: [newbie] Sound problems (fwd)

[Denis HAVLIK]

Hope this helps.

cu
Denis

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Date: 07 Jun 2000 11:34:01 +0200
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Subject: Re: [newbie] Sound problems (fwd)

Denis HAVLIK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> This happend now-and there. Why, actually?

Because options to get it works(SB Live!) have been changed
bewteen 7.0 and 7.1, and it was too late to adapt sounddrake, the best
way is to upgrade to sounddrake 0.8 version(available on harddrake website).

> -- Forwarded message --
> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 07:38:30 GMT
> From: John McCrudden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [newbie] Sound problems
> 
> I have a Sound Blaster Live! and it doesn't work in Linux. my Kernel version 
> is 2.2.14. what do i do to get it working because Lothar brings up a message 
> saying "Error in modprobe call"!


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Re: [newbie] sound problems

[philomena]

Hi Paul,

I tried your suggestions and still no luck - I don't even know where to look next
- maybe re-install 7.02 and see what settings are in place - seems overkill. Not
having system sounds is certainly not a show-stopper, but its aggravating !
BTW, you have a great website

cheers,
philomena

Paul wrote:

> On Tue, 30 May 2000, philomena wrote:
>
> Interestingly enough, my system suffers from the same deficiency.
>
> I have to do a "chmod a+rw /dev" for /mixer, /dsp and /midi, as well as a
> chmod 666 for the cdrom's music options everytime I boot the system. I
> slapped them in .bashrc for root, since I always (on purpose set this
> up) have to log in as root to activate the ISDN dial-up. That way it
> always gets set up when I start things.
>
> I guess I can put them in rc.local also, but sometimes when changing from
> X to other consoles (alt-f...) and back, the sound options get messed up
> again. Then I log in as root again, exit that login, pop back to X
> (alt-f7) and things are fine again.
>
> Paul
>
> >Tried that and no good. There are a few odd things now - when running
> >sndconfig and the sample sound is attempted, an error is displayed about not
> >accessing /dev/audio. I checked the permissions and it was set to root/sys. I
> >changed it to root/audio and also root/root - made no difference. Same
> >problem happens now when I try to run kmixer - trouble accessing /dev/mixer.
> >Changing the permissions 'seem' to help - at least mixer will run, but then,
> >if I reboot - it all goes back to how it was. When running the sound config
> >tool in Drakconf/Hardware, the test sound will play, but when clicking OK, an
> >error message is displayed about accessing the directory you mentioned -
> >/dev/dsp, even after your suggested change. Also, if in the KDE Control
> >Center I try to display system information about sound, nothing is listed for
> >any of the devices. I figure the driver has to be OK if CDs play, but I don't
> >know where to look for this .wav problem, especially since all was fine in
> >7.02. I can't seem to find documentation about trouble-shooting sound
> >problems.
> >
> >thx,
> >philomena
> >
> >Paul wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 29 May 2000, philomena wrote:
> >>
> >> Try this one (as root):
> >>
> >> chmod a+rw /dev/dsp
>
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Re: [newbie] sound problems

[Paul]

On Tue, 30 May 2000, philomena wrote:

Interestingly enough, my system suffers from the same deficiency.

I have to do a "chmod a+rw /dev" for /mixer, /dsp and /midi, as well as a
chmod 666 for the cdrom's music options everytime I boot the system. I
slapped them in .bashrc for root, since I always (on purpose set this
up) have to log in as root to activate the ISDN dial-up. That way it
always gets set up when I start things.

I guess I can put them in rc.local also, but sometimes when changing from
X to other consoles (alt-f...) and back, the sound options get messed up
again. Then I log in as root again, exit that login, pop back to X
(alt-f7) and things are fine again.

Paul 

>Tried that and no good. There are a few odd things now - when running
>sndconfig and the sample sound is attempted, an error is displayed about not
>accessing /dev/audio. I checked the permissions and it was set to root/sys. I
>changed it to root/audio and also root/root - made no difference. Same
>problem happens now when I try to run kmixer - trouble accessing /dev/mixer.
>Changing the permissions 'seem' to help - at least mixer will run, but then,
>if I reboot - it all goes back to how it was. When running the sound config
>tool in Drakconf/Hardware, the test sound will play, but when clicking OK, an
>error message is displayed about accessing the directory you mentioned -
>/dev/dsp, even after your suggested change. Also, if in the KDE Control
>Center I try to display system information about sound, nothing is listed for
>any of the devices. I figure the driver has to be OK if CDs play, but I don't
>know where to look for this .wav problem, especially since all was fine in
>7.02. I can't seem to find documentation about trouble-shooting sound
>problems.
>
>thx,
>philomena
>
>Paul wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 29 May 2000, philomena wrote:
>>
>> Try this one (as root):
>>
>> chmod a+rw /dev/dsp

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Re: [newbie] sound problems

[philomena]

Hi Paul,

Tried that and no good. There are a few odd things now - when running
sndconfig and the sample sound is attempted, an error is displayed about not
accessing /dev/audio. I checked the permissions and it was set to root/sys. I
changed it to root/audio and also root/root - made no difference. Same
problem happens now when I try to run kmixer - trouble accessing /dev/mixer.
Changing the permissions 'seem' to help - at least mixer will run, but then,
if I reboot - it all goes back to how it was. When running the sound config
tool in Drakconf/Hardware, the test sound will play, but when clicking OK, an
error message is displayed about accessing the directory you mentioned -
/dev/dsp, even after your suggested change. Also, if in the KDE Control
Center I try to display system information about sound, nothing is listed for
any of the devices. I figure the driver has to be OK if CDs play, but I don't
know where to look for this .wav problem, especially since all was fine in
7.02. I can't seem to find documentation about trouble-shooting sound
problems.

thx,
philomena

Paul wrote:

> On Mon, 29 May 2000, philomena wrote:
>
> Try this one (as root):
>
> chmod a+rw /dev/dsp
>
> That helped me get around the same problem
>
> Paul
>
> >I have a Soundblaster Live! card. In 7.02, as long as I downloaded and
> >installed the most current driver from the Creative Labs opensource
> >site, my sound worked great - could play CDs, wavs, mp3, etc..
> >
> >In 7.1beta3, with the updated drivers, I can play CDs, but no system
> >sounds (wavs) and so far, no MP3s. When I run the sound configuration in
> >DrakConf (in the hardware section) the card is properly identifed, and
> >the test sound plays fine - I have finally gotten confirmation on the
> >proper pronunciation of "Linux" :-)
> >However, still no system sounds - I have system sounds enabled in the
> >KDE control sytem, but no tests play. For a while, no mixers would play
> >- either aumix or kmix, but now thay are - frankly, I don't know why.
> >But those apps show the volume and settings are all fine. Searching thru
> >the mail archives, I saw others having similar problems, but couldn't
> >find any post with a solution. Any suggestions on what else I can try
> >would be appreciated.
> >One great thing about 7.1 - it recognizes all my removeable devices -
> >CDRW, ZIP drive and floppy - 7.02 didn't !!
> >
> >cheers,
> >philomena
> >
> >
>
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Re: [newbie] sound problems

[Paul]

On Mon, 29 May 2000, philomena wrote:

Try this one (as root):

chmod a+rw /dev/dsp

That helped me get around the same problem

Paul

>I have a Soundblaster Live! card. In 7.02, as long as I downloaded and
>installed the most current driver from the Creative Labs opensource
>site, my sound worked great - could play CDs, wavs, mp3, etc..
>
>In 7.1beta3, with the updated drivers, I can play CDs, but no system
>sounds (wavs) and so far, no MP3s. When I run the sound configuration in
>DrakConf (in the hardware section) the card is properly identifed, and
>the test sound plays fine - I have finally gotten confirmation on the
>proper pronunciation of "Linux" :-)
>However, still no system sounds - I have system sounds enabled in the
>KDE control sytem, but no tests play. For a while, no mixers would play
>- either aumix or kmix, but now thay are - frankly, I don't know why.
>But those apps show the volume and settings are all fine. Searching thru
>the mail archives, I saw others having similar problems, but couldn't
>find any post with a solution. Any suggestions on what else I can try
>would be appreciated.
>One great thing about 7.1 - it recognizes all my removeable devices -
>CDRW, ZIP drive and floppy - 7.02 didn't !!
>
>cheers,
>philomena
>
>

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Re: [newbie] Sound Problems

[Harold Hartley]

Thomas Edwards wrote:

> I have a Sound Blaster Live Card installed on a new machine, I did a full
> install and added mostly everything on the system.  When I went to configure
> the sound card it came back with a message says it can't find the modules
> not in the path.
>
> Can anyone tell me how to add the modules to the path?
>
> This is for Mandrake 7.0.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Edwards

I run Mandrake 7.0 and have the SB live card also..
On mine I didn't have any trouble as it found mine automatically

Mine works fine only when I play music and stuff , but I don't hear other
sounds like you would on windows...

Harold

Re: [newbie] Sound Problems

[Axalon Bloodstone]

On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, Todd White wrote:

> I am still having problems with my SB Awe 32 .. i get an error when i
> boot about the isapnp.conf file .. which i assume sets the irq dma
> etc
> Is there a way to manually set these??
> Thanks in advance
> Todd

yes,
edit /etc/isapnp.conf 

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Re: [newbie] Sound Problems

[Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.]

Yes there is, the isapnptools. But you will want to read the documentation in
/usr/doc/isapnptools/*. The information there is relatively complex, so be well
rested when you start. In essence what you do is run pnpdump >
/etc/isaapnp.conf then edit the /etc/isapnp.conf file for your specific setup,
then run isapnp. That is only if your sound card is a PnP card on the ISA
bus.

Then set up the card with sndconfig, and if necessary, do the manual setup from
within sndconfig. Both the isapnptools, and sndconfig are command line apps, so
you will have to run them from a console window or a console screen as root.

Note: The output from pnpdump found in the /etc/isapnp.conf file is a little
confusing at first, that's why you will want to be rested, and read the
documentation before you begin. It is however a text file, and can be read and
edited with your favorite Linux based text editor.

You can also look in the list archives for more information and tips, this
question has been asked before.

Hope this helps,

Ernie


On Sun, 24 Oct 1999,Todd White wrote:
  | I am still having problems with my SB Awe 32 .. i get an error when i
  | boot about the isapnp.conf file .. which i assume sets the irq dma
  | etc
  | Is there a way to manually set these??
  | Thanks in advance
  | Todd

Re: [newbie] Sound Problems

[Sam]

Try one of the Ensoniq chipsets. I think that is what the AWE cards were
built on, I know it's the chipset the SB PCI xxx boards use

Todd White wrote:

> i recently installed mandrake 6.1 .. and have no sound .. any ideas? the
> sound card is recognized .. its a SB Awe 32.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Todd