Re: [newbie-it] Cos che sfrutta tanta memoria (lunghetto)?
Ciao LukenShiro alle 21:06, mercoledì 29 maggio 2002, hai scritto: Ti consiglio di lasciarlo andare per ben piu' di un'ora (consiglierei una notte intera e anche qualcosa di piu' ... e' meglio fargli fare tutti i test analizzando tutta la memoria, per escludere problemi) L'ho fatto dalle 19,20 al mattino dopo 13ore e 46 minuti ho dovuto interrompere per lavoro continuava a testare. possibile che ci voglia così tanto? A video avevo: L1 cache 32k 4912MB/s Pass 89% L2 cache 512k 644MB/s Test 60% (in progressione) Memory 256 m 201MB/s Test#7[moving inv,one zeros,no cache] cacheable 256 MTesting 76k - 256M Cache PatternTest PassErrors of stf 15 0 ho aspettato ancora un po' ma quando il pass è arrivato a 17 e continuava ho abbandonato la procedura. Non c'è un sistema + veloce? Non so se può essere utile, ho notato che spesso il sistema s'impianta quando per esempio, durante la lettura degli articoli dei news group passo da un articolo di un gruppo a quello di un altro gruppo (sempre on line). Ecco le probabilità che s'impianti crescono notevolmente.. :-( Inoltre ieri sempre un msg durante la fase di boot mi ha segnalato che: /dev/hdc6 inode2 ref count is 18 should be 19 fixed Che vuol dire? Capisco che dovrei avere 19 invece ho 18 ma di cosa? cut dai un ps -waxuf e vedi tutti i processi attivi Copio e incollo i processi attivi in questo momento (ho solo indicato utente al posto del login): USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND root 7 0.0 0.0 00 ?SW 12:08 0:00 [kupdated] root 6 0.0 0.0 00 ?SW 12:08 0:00 [bdflush] root 5 0.0 0.0 00 ?SW 12:08 0:00 [kswapd] root 4 0.0 0.0 00 ?SWN 12:08 0:00 [ksoftirqd_CPU0] root 1 0.4 0.1 1412 504 ?S12:08 0:04 init root 2 0.0 0.0 00 ?SW 12:08 0:00 [keventd] root 3 0.0 0.0 00 ?SW 12:08 0:00 [kapmd] root 8 0.0 0.0 00 ?SW 12:08 0:00 [mdrecoveryd] root12 0.0 0.0 00 ?SW 12:08 0:00 [kjournald] root66 0.0 0.3 1748 892 ?S12:08 0:00 devfsd /dev root 237 0.0 0.0 00 ?SW 12:08 0:00 [kjournald] root 498 0.0 0.0 00 ?SW 12:09 0:00 [khubd] rpc822 0.0 0.2 1544 532 ?S12:09 0:00 portmap root 847 0.0 0.2 1484 592 ?S12:09 0:00 syslogd -m 0 root 856 0.0 0.4 2028 1124 ?S12:09 0:00 klogd -2 root 910 0.0 0.1 1396 496 ?S12:09 0:00 /usr/sbin/apmd -p 10 -w 5 -W -P /etc/sysconfig/apm-scripts/apmd_proxy daemon 939 0.0 0.1 1436 496 ?S12:09 0:00 /usr/sbin/atd root 979 0.0 0.3 2292 1008 ?S12:09 0:00 xinetd -stayalive -reuse -pidfile /var/run/xinetd.pid root 1052 0.0 0.7 4948 1984 ?S12:09 0:00 cupsd root 1274 0.0 0.1 1440 468 ?S12:09 0:00 gpm -t ps/2 -m /d ev/usbmouse root 1381 0.0 0.2 1620 664 ?S12:09 0:00 crond xfs 1430 0.0 1.8 6036 4744 ?S12:09 0:00 xfs -port -1 -dae mon -droppriv -user xfs root 1640 0.0 0.1 1380 408 tty1 S12:09 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tt y1 root 1641 0.0 0.1 1380 408 tty2 S12:09 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tt y2 root 1642 0.0 0.1 1380 408 tty3 S12:09 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tt y3 root 1643 0.0 0.1 1380 408 tty4 S12:09 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tt y4 root 1644 0.0 0.1 1380 408 tty5 S12:09 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tt y5 root 1645 0.0 0.1 1380 408 tty6 S12:09 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tt y6 root 1646 0.0 0.2 2404 692 ?S12:09 0:00 /usr/bin/kdm -nod aemon root 1657 0.9 4.1 55572 10500 ? SL 12:09 0:08 \_ /etc/X11/X -d eferglyphs 16 -auth /var/lib/kdm/authfiles/A:0-qZwqz root 1698 0.0 0.5 3328 1412 ?S12:09 0:00 \_ -:0 utente1769 0.0 0.4 2436 1204 ?S12:11 0:00 \_ /bin/sh / usr/bin/startkde utente1926 0.0 2.4 13864 6188 ?S12:12 0:00 \_ ksmse rver --restore utente1786 0.0 0.9 7444 2452 ?S12:11 0:00 /usr/bin/medusa-i dled utente1859 0.0 2.3 18624 5920 ?S12:11 0:00 kdeinit: Running. .. utente 1874 0.0 1.4 5744 3632 ? S12:12 0:00 \_ /usr/bin/arts d -F 10 -S 4096 -s 1 -m artsmessage -l 3 -f utente1944 0.2 4.3 21652 11080 ? S12:12 0:01 \_ kdeinit: kwin utente 1982 5.4 3.6 19400 9260 ? S12:24 0:00 \_ konsole --nox ft utente1983
Re: [newbie-it] Cos che sfrutta tanta memoria(lunghetto)?
Il 30.05.02 alle 12:41, il notabile ku68 proferi' codeste parole: L'ho fatto dalle 19,20 al mattino dopo 13ore e 46 minuti ho dovuto interrompere per lavoro continuava a testare. possibile che ci voglia così tanto? Quasi 14 ore non sono poche, ma non vorrei che da qualche parte fosse impostato un loop senza fine (che quindi continua a ripetere i test a manetta): dai casomai uno sguardo nelle impostazioni. Comunque non appaiono errori, quindi il problema di inchiodamento non pare dovuto a defaillances nella memoria. ho aspettato ancora un po' ma quando il pass è arrivato a 17 e continuava ho abbandonato la procedura. Non c'è un sistema + veloce? I test seri (come appunto memtest) sono costruiti in modo da analizzare tutta la memoria con diversi pattern e vedere la reazione del sistema: sottoponendola a stress, ove avesse qualche debolezza o funzionasse eccessivamente oltre i limiti di specifica, il problema 'dovrebbe' essere rilevato. Un test condotto diversamente sarebbe solo un palliativo di grande perdita di tempo e nessuna utilita' pratica. Non so se può essere utile, ho notato che spesso il sistema s'impianta quando per esempio, durante la lettura degli articoli dei news group passo da un articolo di un gruppo a quello di un altro gruppo (sempre on line). Ecco le probabilità che s'impianti crescono notevolmente.. :-( Per caso a volte, quando il disco frulla molto, noti dei rumori strani provenire dal disco fisso? come dei grattamenti? in caso affermativo potrebbe trattarsi di settori dell'HD danneggiati. In init 1 e a partizioni smontate (tranne ovviamente /, che controllerai separatamente in un secondo tempo, avviando da cd-rom - rescue), dai una controllata con 'badblocks': attenzione a NON usare l'opzione '-w', altrimenti perdi _tutto_ il contenuto della partizione. /dev/hdc6 inode2 ref count is 18 should be 19 fixed Che vuol dire? Capisco che dovrei avere 19 invece ho 18 ma di cosa? E' un errore del filesystem (perlopiu' proprio perche' il sistema non e' stato chiuso correttamente con lo smontaggio delle partizioni), che dovresti risolvere con un 'fsck /dev/hdc6' dai un ps -waxuf e vedi tutti i processi attivi Copio e incollo i processi attivi in questo momento (ho solo indicato utente al posto del login): [..] C'è qualcosa di strano secondo voi? A me sembra nella normalita' (almeno .. a parte le ultime righe che sono arrivate tagliate). Prendi magari in considerazione un window-manager alternativo a kde (pur continuando ad usare alcuni suoi programmi). Per esempio vorrei togliere tutto quello che riguarda il controllo delle batterie dei portatili si può fare? Se c'e' un'applet che si occupa di questo, basta rimuoverla. No da applicazioni - kde - controllo energia ci sono alcuni prg come faccio a sapere il nome per levarli da software manager? Mi pare che sia 'klaptopdaemon', comunque dovrebbe esserci un riferimento nel centro di controllo KDE. Non e' necessario disinstallarli basta disattivarli. rpc AFAIK serve a portmap per la condivisione di dischi in NFS tra due sistemi *nix: se non ti serve basta disattivare nfsd con drakxservices. Boh, ho un pc con due hd linux mdk 8.2 e win98se. Serve? No (e lo stesso per portmap). Poi se non hai esigenze particolari per offrire servizi di rete all'esterno su richiesta (vedi server telnet, posta, web ecc..) puoi disattivare anche xinetd. Riuscirò a risolvere il problema del crash improvviso? Se dipendesse dalla memoria non avrei dovuto avere il solito guaio anche con la mdk 8.1? Spesso guasti hadware sono provocati o aggravati da oscillazioni anormali di tensione elettrica a volte impercettibili (per noi), ma fatali per l'impiantistica microelettronica. Pensa all'opportunita' di mettere delle prese elettriche a ciabatta protettive ed eventualmente (se hai blackout frequenti) dei gruppi di continuita'. Non escluderei comunque, per ragioni di sicurezza, un controllo dell'impianto elettrico, per verificare che sia a norma e in perfetto stato. -- LU #210970 LM #98222 SU #12583 K 2.4.18-puro * Slackware 8.1-rc1 ;-)
Re: [newbie-it] Cos che sfrutta tanta memoria (lunghetto)?
Ciao LukenShiro alle 15:54, giovedì 30 maggio 2002, hai scritto: Quasi 14 ore non sono poche, ma non vorrei che da qualche parte fosse impostato un loop senza fine (che quindi continua a ripetere i test a manetta): dai casomai uno sguardo nelle impostazioni. eh eh dove? Per caso a volte, quando il disco frulla molto, noti dei rumori strani provenire dal disco fisso? come dei grattamenti? No a volte (anche in win) una specie di sottilissimo fischio che poi smette non saprei è come quando parte la ventola della macchina. Pensa all'opportunita' di mettere delle prese elettriche a ciabatta protettive ed eventualmente (se hai blackout frequenti) dei gruppi di continuita'. Ho sia la ciabatta che il gruppo di continuità... :-) Ciao ku68 Ho visto questo file .xsession - error copio e incollo magari potrebbe essere utile... kdeinit: Launched DCOPServer, pid = 1874 result = 0 DCOP: register 'anonymous-1871' - number of clients is now 1 DCOP: register 'anonymous-1874' - number of clients is now 2 DCOPServer up and running. DCOP: unregister 'anonymous-1871' DCOP: unregister 'anonymous-1874' DCOP: register 'ksplash' - number of clients is now 1 kdeinit: Launched KLauncher, pid = 1878 result = 0 DCOP: register 'klauncher' - number of clients is now 2 DCOP: unregister 'klauncher' DCOP: register 'klauncher' - number of clients is now 2 DCOP: register 'anonymous-1878' - number of clients is now 3 DCOP: new daemon klauncher DCOP: unregister 'anonymous-1878' kdeinit: Launched KDED, pid = 1881 result = 0 DCOP: register 'kded' - number of clients is now 2 DCOP: unregister 'kded' DCOP: register 'kded' - number of clients is now 2 DCOP: register 'anonymous-1881' - number of clients is now 3 DCOP: register 'anonymous-1882' - number of clients is now 4 kdeinit: Got EXEC_NEW 'kbuildsycoca' from launcher. DCOP: register 'kbuildsycoca' - number of clients is now 5 kdeinit: PID 1883 terminated. DCOP: unregister 'kbuildsycoca' DCOP: unregister 'anonymous-1882' kdeinit: Got EXEC_NEW 'kconf_update' from launcher. kdeinit: PID 1884 terminated. DCOP: new daemon kded DCOP: unregister 'anonymous-1881' kdeinit: PID 1881 terminated. kdeinit: opened connection to :0.0 kdeinit: Launched 'kcminit', pid = 1885 result = 0 DCOP: register 'anonymous-1885' - number of clients is now 2 kdeinit: Got SETENV 'GTK_RC_FILES=/etc/gtk/gtkrc:/home/curzio/.gtkrc' from klauncher. kdeinit: Got SETENV 'KDE_MULTIHEAD=false' from klauncher. kdeinit: Got SETENV 'QT_XFT=1' from klauncher. kdeinit: Got EXEC_NEW 'kmixctrl' from launcher. kdeinit: Got EXEC_NEW 'artswrapper' from launcher. library=artswrapper.la: No file names artswrapper.la found in paths. Could not load library! Trying exec DCOP: unregister 'anonymous-1885' kdeinit: PID 1885 terminated. kdeinit: Launched 'knotify', pid = 1889 result = 0 DCOP: register 'knotify' - number of clients is now 2 DCOP: register 'anonymous-1889' - number of clients is now 3 DCOP: new daemon knotify kdeinit: PID 1889 terminated. DCOP: unregister 'anonymous-1889' There are already artsd objects registered, looking if they are active... ... cleaned 5 unused mcop global references. DCOP: register 'ksmserver' - number of clients is now 2 kdeinit: Got SETENV 'SESSION_MANAGER=local/localhost.localdomain:/tmp/.ICE-unix/1941' from klauncher. kdeinit: Got EXEC_NEW 'kwin' from launcher. kdeinit: PID 1887 terminated. DCOP: unregister 'ksplash' DCOP: register 'anonymous-1961' - number of clients is now 2 DCOP: unregister 'anonymous-1961' DCOP: register 'anonymous-1961' - number of clients is now 2 DCOP: unregister 'anonymous-1961' DCOP: register 'kwin' - number of clients is now 2 kdeinit: Got EXEC_NEW 'kdesktop' from launcher. DCOP: register 'kdesktop' - number of clients is now 3 DCOP: register 'anonymous-1975' - number of clients is now 4 kdeinit: PID 1975 terminated. DCOP: unregister 'anonymous-1975' kdeinit: Got EXT_EXEC 'krootwarning' from launcher. library=krootwarning.la: No file names krootwarning.la found in paths. Could not load library! Trying exec kdeinit: Got EXEC_NEW 'kicker' from launcher. kdeinit: PID 1977 terminated. DCOP: register 'kicker' - number of clients is now 4 DCOP: register 'anonymous-1978' - number of clients is now 5 kdeinit: Got EXEC_NEW 'kio_file' from launcher. kdeinit: Got EXEC_NEW 'kio_file' from launcher. kdeinit: PID 1978 terminated. DCOP: unregister 'anonymous-1978' kdeinit: Got EXT_EXEC 'klipper' from launcher. kdeinit: Got EXT_EXEC 'alarmd' from launcher. library=alarmd.la: No file names alarmd.la found in paths. DCOP: register 'klipper' - number of clients is now 5 DCOP: register 'anonymous-1986' - number of clients is now 6 Could not load library! Trying exec kdeinit: Got EXEC_NEW 'kwrited' from launcher. DCOP: register 'kwrited' - number of clients is now 7 DCOP: register 'anonymous-1989' - number of clients is now 8 DCOP: register 'alarmd' - number of clients is now 9 DCOP: register 'anonymous-1988' - number of clients is now 10 kdeinit: PID 1986 terminated.
Re: [newbie-it] Cos che sfrutta tanta memoria(lunghetto)?
Il 30.05.02 alle 18:47, il notabile ku68 proferi' codeste parole: non vorrei che da qualche parte fosse impostato un loop senza fine (che quindi continua a ripetere i test a manetta): dai casomai uno sguardo nelle impostazioni. eh eh dove? Azz, e' da un bel po' che non lo uso ed ora non ce l'ho installato. Ci dovrebbe essere un tasto che richiama le opzioni (p.es. se usare o meno la cache nel test, quali test avviare ecc...) Ho visto questo file .xsession - error copio e incollo magari potrebbe essere utile... [..] kdeinit: Got EXEC_NEW 'artswrapper' from launcher. library=artswrapper.la: No file names artswrapper.la found in paths. Could not load library! Trying exec Gli errori come questo AFAIK non mi sembrano molto significativi, ne' direi che possano contribuire ad instabilita' generali e blocchi. Ma, dato che finche' non si riducono le variabili in gioco avrai una bassissima probabilita' di individuare qual e' il problema, prova ad andare per esclusione: p.es. inizia a non utilizzare kde come w.m., ma magari gnome, e cosi' via. Altra possibilita' p.es. e' utilizzare un programma tipo 'cpuburn' per mandare a pieno regime (meglio ancora avviando piu' istanze contemporaneamente) la cpu, farla surriscaldare [attenzione che la temperatura non salga troppo, pero' .. dovresti tenerla sotto controllo tramite lmsensors, che monitorizza i sensori termici della scheda madre] e verificare il comportamento del sistema in caso di iperattivita' simulata. O in alternativa potresti svolgere un'attivita' impegnativa come un ciclo lungo e ripetuto di compilazione del kernel (non importa il prodotto finale, quello che interessa e' l'attivita'). Se si inchioda in questa fase, senza tanti altri processi attivi, forse abbiamo individuato il problema, e non e' il software ... altrimenti e' qualcos'altro ;-PP -- LU #210970 LM #98222 SU #12583 K 2.4.18-puro * Slackware 8.1-rc1 ;-)
Re: [newbie-it] lilo.conf
freefred wrote: [...] ma ora che mi ci fai pensare anche la mdk scrive le label come mdk_kernel, insomma comprimendo. Deve anche forse esserci una spiegazione che sarei curioso di conoscere. bye Bravo frefred adesso cominciamo a capirci ... ;-) Per quanto riguarda i normali nomi alle directory mi sono accorto che se crei per esempio la directory prova due con spazio nel mezzo, poi per entrare in questa directory devi scrivere sulla riga di comando cd prova\due se scrivi invece cd prova due dice che la directory non esiste. Per ovviare a questo bisogna utilizzare al loro posto degli spazi i segni - oppure _ cosi da scrivere prova_due o prova-due . Saluti da Giuseppe. miKe wrote: ma puoi sempre dettagliare in /boot/boot_message.txt dove non hai limitazioni ed alle label associ una bella spiegazione bye miKe E' da una settimana che cerco la soluzione che tu ora mi hai dato, non immagini che sollievo :-) Ti ringrazio miKe, mi puoi fare però un esempio di come dovrei associare una label su lilo.conf con la directory /boot/boot_message.txt ? Saluti da Giuseppe.
Re: [newbie] Change rw permissions on folder of files
On Thu, 30 May 2002 16:00, db wrote: Working with Redhat 5.2 Fvfm, I have a ton of files in a folder that I copied (as root) from a CD. I need to reset the rw and perhaps ownership attributes en mass so that the files can be written to and worked with by other users. I know this is basic but could anyone clue this newbie in? first off, open a terminal window. type man chmod Have a read of that. if you are not the owner of the files you may want man chown and man chgrp as well. If root (or someone else) is the owner then su is your friend also. Then you want a command set something like: # cd /home/your_name/your_directory/where_the_files_are # chmod -R 0640 * or 0740 for executables This is a common import from fat32 problem. Hope this makes sense. -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Possibly OT? MDK Partitioning
On Thu, 30 May 2002 11:18, Dale Huckeby wrote: On Wed, 29 May 2002, Michael Adams wrote: On Wed, 29 May 2002 13:58, FemmeFatale wrote: I've run 8.0, 8.1 now 8.2. Always I've accepted the default install partitions of root (/), swap home. the one time I tried on 8.0 to make a boot, root, swap, var other partitions, the boot partition was blank. As a result the root directory had a boot directory beneath it holding the boot files. I was stumped. Is this standard behaviour or did I screw something up? *not that that'd be the first time I manage to FUBAR a system.* TIA Not sure Femme. If you told it /boot is a partition, the directory should have been effectively a hard link to your /boot partition. In my understanding, often error prone, in up to 8.1 /boot and / both needed to be ext2 but not under 8.2. Without knowing exactly what you tried and how you went about it, it is hard to tell more. I've been using /, swap, /home, and /usr, all primary partitions, and all but swap ReiserFS, since 7.2. Hasn't been any trouble. Dale Huckeby There you go, i was error prone... dang. Perhaps it was a reccomend that the / and /boot be ext2. I dunno why, but i am pretty sure i heard it somewhere. -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT Journaling, gotta love it
On Thu, 30 May 2002 05:23, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Wednesday 29 May 2002 09:17 am, daRcmaTTeR wrote: On Wed, 29 May 2002, Tom Brinkman wrote: Which file system? Anyhow, you really should have your system on an UPS if power outages are any more than a very rare occurrence. An UPS will also keep power steady and protect your hardware from spikes and brownouts. While the FS can escape damage, your hardware sometimes can't. Just out of curiosity, how many systems can you safely run on one UPS? Mark I've got a Tbird oc'd to 1.55 gig, Cdrom, CD-RW, 2 HDD's, 17 monitor, and a Altec Lansing subwoofer sound system IOW's a real power hog. I've got an old APC BackUPS 500 that'll keep it all runnin for ~15 minutes when the power goes south. The batteries are original, and I've not needed to replace 'em, or seen a drop in their performance. Just as important, maybe more so tho, an UPS feeds clean power to the system, no spikes or drops. Very important for sensitive electronics reliability and performance. It's only a 500VA UPS, but plenty for a single desk top system. Price was $123 some 5 years ago. They make other UPS systems that can handle multiple systems, even up to multiple rack servers. 'Course they cost more $$'s. APC is the preferred brand, but there's other good ones. They're heavy, so buyin one locally (I got mine at Wall*Mart) is probly a better option than buyin online and payin lot'sa shipping. FWIW, since I asked, after 3 experiences with XFS, I'm back to good 'ol tried'n true ReiserFS for all my Linux partitions. Sort'a way OT, I got a 350W inverter for $47 from Wally World a few months ago. It'll run a 19 TV for 5 to 6 hours off the battery in my Chevy ... and then the truck still starts like nothin was drainin it. It's magic!! So after I have to shut down the computer when the power goes out at least I can still watch TV by candle light ;) Ah, re your earlier question. it was XFS. First power cut this year. I pull the plug when lightnings around. That many volts can jump a switchgap anyway if it feels like it. I have a zapguard multiway power box with all 'puter sockets plugged into it to get in the way of small spikes. -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Slightly OT Mandrake stock
On Thu, 30 May 2002 15:41, Brian Parish wrote: On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 07:44, FemmeFatale wrote: Tom Brinkman wrote: On Wednesday 29 May 2002 11:13 am, Dave Conroy wrote: It's only a matter of time before lot'sa people will need to unlearn Windows, and learn somethin else. Specially with M$'s new fangled SA programs (price gouging scams), and the horrific security holes that all M$ OS's and software feature. -- Tom BrinkmanCorpus Christi, Texas a) won't happen soon enough b) won't happen. Why? Because linux will never be a desktop OS for the masses IMO. Requires too much tech knowledge and most just want their machine to work. Shrugs, My opinion. I know its come a long way but its still got a longer way to go yet. -- Femme I agree if you are talking DIY installs, but having just set up my 83 year old father-in-law on 8.2, I don't agree on the usability side. Anyone who doesn't know about computers either has a friend who installs it, or buys the machine with the OS (W$) preinstalled. Ask the average user to install W$ from scratch and the gotchas would come just as fast as they do with Mandrake. So this is the real difference from my viewpoint. The guy next door knows about W$, but not about linux. Given someone like me to set it up and provide an icon for each thing you want to do, Mandrake is not a problem for the novice. It's a telling point that having changed the 83 year old over to linux from W98, the number of support calls I have received is so far zero - used to average several per week. Brian Yep, this is the way that i see things too. Give em a configured Linux computer with a user login and they are less likely to roast it, it is less likely to hiccup, and they can learn the operating system if they choose. If they find something else they want installed and configured, why can't we do that for them too. I have seen more balls up computers of people that have indiscriminately loaded than any other damage excepting virus. When they feel they are ready to start using the root password, then give it to them. Most USERS would never ask for it. Remember most that come to Linux at present are at least semi computer literate and are used to playing under the hood. Time we started touting the invulnerability of this idea. Thus: * Linux is virtually virus free * A well set up box is more idiot proof by far * what you break in your own directory is often easily fixed. i.e. delete the .kde directory and log out, then log back in again. * Linux is far more standards compliant * Low cost, even pre-installed I'm sure there are others. Now where is that MySQL front end to complete the picture? Others have already said how it is not a problem to migrate USERs to Linux from windows. How many businesses happily migrated staff from Wordperfect to Word because a boss decided it looked better. -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] OT=to Damian!
{simply put, my guess is a lot of people have billions
of green reasons
not to
let Linux grow.
Hello Damian
Can you please define that last point of yours? What
exactly do you mean by that. I thought of the opposite
so far.
Greetings
Dimitris
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Re: [newbie] Slightly OT Mandrake stock
--- Henry B. Wangle Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Wednesday 29 May 2002 18:20, you wrote: Well not wanting to beat my own drum but anyone who say's that Linux is not ready for the desktop needs to relook at it . Case in point my wife of 22 years now age 44 had 2 strokes that paralyzed her left side and hurt her mental capabilities as well . I have been gradually weaning her away from windows for about 6 months now and she has very little problems with Linux . Now considering that she has some short term memory loss and some long term memory loss I think that say's bundles for the ease of use of Mandrake. Balance that against that against the fact that she had used windows for about 6 years prior to this with numerous problems with it both pre stroke and post stroke (2 Strokes back to back in Dec of 1998 ) She love it and its ease of use. I on the otherhand am still learning everyday and get myself into more trouble than if I'd just stick with the basic Mandrake setup, Being a tinkerer of sorts I'm inclined to play to my deteriment on occassion and Thanks to the many willing and Knowledgeable Penguins out here in Newbie land ( Civilme, Sridhar, Tom, and yes even Femme, as well as many more of you ) I'm able to fix most of my Foulups and bloopers. By the way I'm also a lurker and 9 times out of 10 someone must be psychic as one of you usually address the problem with a solution before I get to ask for help. Try that with windows and see if you get the same results. On the unfortunate side there are still a few programs that we still have to depend on before I can be totally windows free ( please hurry Quicken, So Now Your Cooking, Family tree , and Vehicle Records Systems.) . With that said I agree with Miark as to the fact it is ready now .Now off my Stump and back into the quiet existence again I go. Hank Wangle SSGT Usmc(retired) Because linux will never be a desktop OS for the masses IMO. Requires too much tech knowledge and most just want their machine to work. Shrugs, My opinion. I know its come a long way but its still got a longer way to go yet. I couldn't disagree more. Gnome and KDE are every bit as powerful as Winsux (more, really), and just as easy (well, KDE, anyway). This was true of my own conversion (a computer-literate chap), and for my wife (a computer-illiterate lass). I'd say Linux is ready for the desktop right now! Miark Well said both of you! As for me I couldn't agree more with you Miark (You really rock when you want to!). Two days ago I installed LM 8.2 to vet-doctor friend of mine. I even managed to get FreeVet to work and I got a 2 months free visit and vaccination for my 3 dog's.He's a happy man. He couldn't afford to pay M$Office or Antivirus things but after seing his old DELL Latidude 300Mhz PC to work and doing so many things he happily went in Mandrake Store and order via their web-page the Pro-Suite edition. He's even convinced to be a Silver Member. I don't know though if he has done it yet. Cheers to both of you Dimitris Do You Yahoo!? @yahoo.grhttp://www.otenet.gr Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Greetings everyone
make sure you connected the audio cable (4-lead with flat heads) from the CD to the sound card. raffaele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi , My name is Igor Scerbina, I recently installed Mandrake linux OS and am interested in learning as much as i can. I am currently having trouble setting up my cmi8338 sound card. It plays the error sounds but doesn't want to play any of my audio Cd's. I would greatly appreciate any help. Thanks Igor Scerbina Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Slightly OT Mandrake stock
Brian Parish wrote: On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 07:44, FemmeFatale wrote: I agree if you are talking DIY installs, but having just set up my 83 year old father-in-law on 8.2, I don't agree on the usability side. Anyone who doesn't know about computers either has a friend who installs it, or buys the machine with the OS (W$) preinstalled. Ask the average user to install W$ from scratch and the gotchas would come just as fast as they do with Mandrake. So this is the real difference from my viewpoint. The guy next door knows about W$, but not about linux. Given someone like me to set it up and provide an icon for each thing you want to do, Mandrake is not a problem for the novice. It's a telling point that having changed the 83 year old over to linux from W98, the number of support calls I have received is so far zero - used to average several per week. Brian OK Brian wins. He got my point across better than I did. I bow humbly to his usage of english. Ty Brian. -- Femme Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Greetings everyone
Press Alt+F2 and type aumix. A mixer thing will come up. Check if the volumes are on. If they are on 0 put them up with your mouse. Afraid you have to do it all the time. I had it too on KDE 2.2.2 but not anymore since I'm using KDE 3. Cheers Dimitris --- Rodrigo [EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Wednesday 29 May 2002 22:04, you wrote: Hello Igor, Is your sound card an onboard sound card ? Which application do you use to play your audio cds ? Can you play mp3 or wav files ? Regards, Rodrigo Hi , My name is Igor Scerbina, I recently installed Mandrake linux OS and am interested in learning as much as i can. I am currently having trouble setting up my cmi8338 sound card. It plays the error sounds but doesn't want to play any of my audio Cd's. I would greatly appreciate any help. Thanks Igor Scerbina Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Do You Yahoo!? @yahoo.grhttp://www.otenet.gr Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Samba - Half there?
Brian Parish wrote: Anne, First step has got to be to get rid of netbui. I have set up many windows and windows/linux networks and have always used TCP/IP exclusively. If your W$ machines can't see each other without netbui, then tcp/ip is not correctly installed or configured. HTH Brian OK Brian if thats the case then mines not installed correctly either. I have to use Netbeui myself because my computer is 2k/linux, g/f's is win98. I tried in vain several times to use just TCP/IP. Email me offlist if you wish to help me get this crap sorted? -- Femme Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Install on Powerbook G4
Title: Install on Powerbook G4 I just got a Titanium with the Mobility Radeon 7500 (http://ati.com/technology/hardware/mobilityradeon7500/index.html) and the install freezes during the part when it loads the graphical environment. What gives?
Re: [newbie] How Do i uninstall stuff,
--- ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Hello, Im a New Linux user, yes i've been using win2k/server for years. I just install Kvirc and want to uninstall and reinstall a different verson is there any documention that could help me or you could send me. Thanks for you time. Ben, Hello Ben From a console su to root and type urpme the name of the package you want uninstalled and everything should be done. Otherwise you go from the package manager and check from the installed section you click on the package you want out and thats it. Cheers Dimitris Do You Yahoo!? @yahoo.grhttp://www.otenet.gr Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Slightly OT Mandrake stock
another case in point... my girlfriend has used only windows at work... I gave her a windows PC at home for a present.. (the kind that keeps on giving, virus's defrag etc.. :-) two months ago, I told her I was going to swap her to linux.. she said can I still read email and browse web and write documents and make spreadsheets... I said yes.. she said OK... and hasn't had a problem. its not that hard anymore,, only the install and config are hard... I am not a fan of microshaft, but I have to admit that their config and add/remove stuff is still better then Mandrake's.. or any other *nix.. fortunatly thats the only area where they are ahead... rgds frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Henry B. Wangle Jr. Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2002 1:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Slightly OT Mandrake stock On Wednesday 29 May 2002 18:20, you wrote: Well not wanting to beat my own drum but anyone who say's that Linux is not ready for the desktop needs to relook at it . Case in point my wife of 22 years now age 44 had 2 strokes that paralyzed her left side and hurt her mental capabilities as well . I have been gradually weaning her away from windows for about 6 months now and she has very little problems with Linux . Now considering that she has some short term memory loss and some long term memory loss I think that say's bundles for the ease of use of Mandrake. Balance that against that against the fact that she had used windows for about 6 years prior to this with numerous problems with it both pre stroke and post stroke (2 Strokes back to back in Dec of 1998 ) She love it and its ease of use. I on the otherhand am still learning everyday and get myself into more trouble than if I'd just stick with the basic Mandrake setup, Being a tinkerer of sorts I'm inclined to play to my deteriment on occassion and Thanks to the many willing and Knowledgeable Penguins out here in Newbie land ( Civilme, Sridhar, Tom, and yes even Femme, as well as many more of you ) I'm able to fix most of my Foulups and bloopers. By the way I'm also a lurker and 9 times out of 10 someone must be psychic as one of you usually address the problem with a solution before I get to ask for help. Try that with windows and see if you get the same results. On the unfortunate side there are still a few programs that we still have to depend on before I can be totally windows free ( please hurry Quicken, So Now Your Cooking, Family tree , and Vehicle Records Systems.) . With that said I agree with Miark as to the fact it is ready now .Now off my Stump and back into the quiet existence again I go. Hank Wangle SSGT Usmc(retired) Because linux will never be a desktop OS for the masses IMO. Requires too much tech knowledge and most just want their machine to work. Shrugs, My opinion. I know its come a long way but its still got a longer way to go yet. I couldn't disagree more. Gnome and KDE are every bit as powerful as Winsux (more, really), and just as easy (well, KDE, anyway). This was true of my own conversion (a computer-literate chap), and for my wife (a computer-illiterate lass). I'd say Linux is ready for the desktop right now! Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Slightly OT Mandrake stock
I agree, but mandrake has not dumbed down the newbie install enough... things to get rid off.. 1. Choise of print server setup.. default to cups or whatever unless they click advanced and change it.. 2. Ditto sound server.. 3. autodetect windows machines on network and presetup Komba2 and put network neighbourhood similiar link on desktop. 4. Improve Java and flash integration/installation in browsers. 5. revert back to 7.2 type rpmdrake and add the 8.2+ functionality to it.. they fixed something that wasn't broken.. (the interface) 6. diskdrake in newbie install should have only a couple of options and an advanced button.. the two options should be install mandrake alongside windows and install mandrake instead of windows the advanced button can have everything else. I design and write apps for newbies.. (mostly CGI stuff.) and I apparently have talent designin stuff that anyone can use.. (if they can read) and thats what windows did.. they dumbed the whole thing down.. (they did it to the whole XP os.. but luckily you can undo it.) just some thoughts... rgds Frank.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Marc Sent: Wednesday, 29 May 2002 8:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Slightly OT Mandrake stock This may be a bit off topic but most likley of intrist to a few folks here. The other day I pulled the last of the money that I had in the stock market out. Lucky for me that everything else I had in the market I had pulled out several years ago before the whole market went way down. I really know next to nothing about the stock market and have very little intrest in it. In spite of this I got to thinking about all the stuff that I had read in the past year or so here and a number of other places about all the people , goverment agencys, school districts, colleges and corperations that have been dropping microsoft like a hot rock and all the bad press that microsoft has had a number of places around the world. It seemed to me that this was a trend that was going to continue. Also it seemed to me that it would start to catch on more in the home pc user market also. What if all this diccontent with microshaft continues to grow, it seems like it will. Where will all these unhappy computer users do for there next OS. It seemed to me that they have little to choose from but Linux and Mac but mac machines seem overpriced and not very avalable. That leaves very little in the way of options except linux. I thought this over a little bit more, most of these people are not computer ginuses and know just enough to do basic stuff in windows, they are going to need something user friendly with a desktop similar to windows and they are going to need some good customer support to get started. It seems to me that Mandrake Linux fills these needs better than any other Linux distro. Is Mandrake destined for great success in the next couple of years, it seems to me like they should be. I looked at what Mandrake stock has done in the past year. It has really dropped, I have trouble understanding why. As best as I can tell from all this stock market gibberish mandrake seems VERY undervalued. It also seems to me that it has nowhere to go but up and maybe way way up. What do all you folks think? do all of us have a inside track on something that is destined to really go places? Maybe we all should be buying into Mandrake. I can not base any of this on stock market knowlage but just what seems like common sense to me. Sorry for something that is such a long post on something that is somewhat off topic. Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2
Title: Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2 The video mode is whacked. I tried GUI installs. NOT!!! I tried text install and then 1024x768 mode, NOT It's seems that the ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 has problems. :-( No Linux for me.
[newbie] Desktop Linux
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 22:30, Michael wrote: As you said Linux has come a long way, but I do not think that it is that far away from being an option for the desktop. I would go further and say not only is it not far away from being an option, it *is* an option, and it is the *best* option. In my opinion, the days of Linux trying to catch up to or equal Windows are over. I have WinXP installed on one machine, and for me Linux is the easy winner. Linux is actually nicer for desktop use than Windows. I am still hoping Microsoft's ridiculous activation scheme will wake up some of the general public to stop automatically taking whatever MS dishes out as though there were no alternative. *** Powered by SuSE Linux 7.3 Professional KDE 2.2.1 KMail 1.3.1 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2
Title: Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2 Hi, I just installed Mandrake 8.2 in my laptop. I'm anew userof linux andI'm not sure if I can helpyou.I have also an ATI Mobility Radeon card andwhenI installed by default Mandrake 8.2, the Xconfdidn't work. I searched by myself another conf. till I found the correct. Yas -Message d'origine-De: Joaquin Menchaca [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Envoyé: jeudi 30 mai 2002 10:01À: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Objet: [newbie] Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2 The video mode is whacked. I tried GUI installs. NOT!!! I tried text install and then 1024x768 mode, NOT It's seems that the ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 has problems. :-( No Linux for me.
RE: [newbie] Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2
Title: Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2 What config did you use. How do I stop xwindows from starting (or at least escape out of it) and setup a different configuration? -Original Message-From: MELEAN Yasmin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 1:16 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: [newbie] Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2 Hi, I just installed Mandrake 8.2 in my laptop. I'm anew userof linux andI'm not sure if I can helpyou.I have also an ATI Mobility Radeon card andwhenI installed by default Mandrake 8.2, the Xconfdidn't work. I searched by myself another conf. till I found the correct. Yas -Message d'origine-De: Joaquin Menchaca [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Envoyé: jeudi 30 mai 2002 10:01À: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Objet: [newbie] Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2 The video mode is whacked. I tried GUI installs. NOT!!! I tried text install and then 1024x768 mode, NOT It's seems that the ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 has problems. :-( No Linux for me.
RE: [newbie] Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2
Title: Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2 Do you have installed Mandrake? what kind of pc do you have? -Message d'origine-De: Joaquin Menchaca [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Envoyé: jeudi 30 mai 2002 10:16À: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Objet: RE: [newbie] Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2 What config did you use. How do I stop xwindows from starting (or at least escape out of it) and setup a different configuration? -Original Message-From: MELEAN Yasmin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 1:16 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: [newbie] Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2 Hi, I just installed Mandrake 8.2 in my laptop. I'm anew userof linux andI'm not sure if I can helpyou.I have also an ATI Mobility Radeon card andwhenI installed by default Mandrake 8.2, the Xconfdidn't work. I searched by myself another conf. till I found the correct. Yas -Message d'origine-De: Joaquin Menchaca [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Envoyé: jeudi 30 mai 2002 10:01À: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Objet: [newbie] Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2 The video mode is whacked. I tried GUI installs. NOT!!! I tried text install and then 1024x768 mode, NOT It's seems that the ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 has problems. :-( No Linux for me.
Re: [newbie] How Do i uninstall stuff,
On Thursday 30 May 2002 6:56 am, ben wrote: Hello, Im a New Linux user, yes i've been using win2k/server for years. I just install Kvirc and want to uninstall and reinstall a different verson is there any documention that could help me or you could send me. Thanks for you time. Ben, If you are installing/removing RPM's all you have to do is click on the new RPM in your konqueror file manager and select 'Open' when prompted, and the old version will be removed and the new one installed. Done- It does not get much easier than that does it? If you just want to remove an rpm Open Mandrake software manager. search for the installed rpm, highlight it, and press the install/remove button. derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is this my ISP's (DNS?) problem? (long)
Charlie wrote: Howdy; I'm not certain whether I have a problem; Shaw FibreLink (my cable/broadband ISP) has a problem, or if we both do. I apologize for the length of this message but I don't know how else to show the information that may let some one help me figure this out. Starting some time last night the two DNS servers that have always been used started attempting to connect to my box. Lease is up? Whatever, the firewall blocked it and I didn't think anything of it. But now when I try to surf to some web sites I get a time out connecting or unknown host message, as though there was no DNS server to query for the address to connect to. Also repeated blocks of the two IPs that are the DNS server addresses. First 3 untoward entries (time is MDT AM): May 26 12:10:37 h24-68-xxx-xx kernel: auditIN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:a0:0c:c1:d1:b6:00:00:77:8f:32:bc:08:00 SRC=24.70.95.195 DST=24.68.xxx.xx LEN=32 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=253 ID=18609 DF PROTO=ICMP TYPE=8 CODE=0 ID=282 SEQ=56796 May 26 12:10:37 h24-68-xxx-xx kernel: PUB_IN DROP 2IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:a0:0c:c1:d1:b6:00:00:77:8f:32:bc:08:00 SRC=24.70.95.195 DST=24.68.xxx.xx LEN=32 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=253 ID=18609 DF PROTO=ICMP TYPE=8 CODE=0 ID=282 SEQ=56796 May 26 12:10:38 h24-68-xxx-xx kernel: PUB_IN DROP 4 IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:a0:0c:c1:d1:b6:00:00:77:8f:32:bc:08:00 SRC=24.70.95.195 DST=24.68.xxx.xx LEN=351 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=253 ID=18610 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=67 DPT=68 LEN=331 Also the most recent two log entries from today when I had difficulty reaching web sites (time is MDT PM): May 26 12:24:17 h24-68-xxx-xx kernel: PUB_IN DROP 4 IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:a0:0c:c1:d1:b6:00:00:77:8f:32:bc:08:00 SRC=24.70.95.212 DST=24.68.xxx.xx LEN=61 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=253 ID=12133 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=53 DPT=32770 LEN=41 May 26 12:24:27 h24-68-xxx-xx kernel: PUB_IN DROP 4 IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:a0:0c:c1:d1:b6:00:00:77:8f:32:bc:08:00 SRC=24.70.95.212 DST=24.68.xxx.xx LEN=91 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=253 ID=12134 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=53 DPT=32770 LEN=71 Strangest part of this is that while I was running InteractiveBastille to set the firewall those two IPs were the DNS server entries that I entered. I mean the 24.70.95.212 and 24.70.95.195. Have I broken something unbeknownst to me by accident, or is the whole bleedin' system going insane because of vulnerabilities in MS bug-ware? Thanks for any suggestions and once again sorry for the length of this missive. Charles, Try setting up a rule on the INPUT chain to allow your ISP to communicate with your named server and see if this clears up. I had the same situation before, however my log entries differed somewhat from yours. I'm not completely sure that this is the case for you. I don't recall seeing that the packets were showing up on the PUB_IN chain, unless thats the way you've got it setup on purpose. iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 53 -s 24.70.95.195 -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 53 -s 24.70.95.195 -j ACCEPT You can add these two rules from the command line as root and then watch your syslog to see if the kernel continues to log or not. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hello Help with Joystick ?
On Thursday 30 May 2002 05:47 am, Rodney wrote: Hello, Could someone tell me how to add/use my Gravis blackhawk digital joystick in Mandrake 8.2 , it is connected through my Creative Vibra 128 soundcard. Thankyou, Rodney [root@tuxmachine]:root$ cat /usr/src/linux/Documentation/input/joystick.txt | grep Gravis 3.4 Gravis GrIP Gravis GrIP protocol is supported by the grip.c module. It currently * Gravis GamePad Pro * Gravis BlackHawk Digital * Gravis Xterminator * Gravis Xterminator DualControl [root@tuxmachine]:root$ cat /usr/src/linux/Documentation/input/joystick.txt | grep 128 3.15 SoundBlaster 64 and 128 - ES1370 and ES1371, ESS Solo1 and S3 SonicVibes ~ These PCI soundcards have specific gameports. They are handled by the sound drivers themselves. Make sure you select gameport support in the joystick menu and sound card support in the sound menu for your appropriate card. I would start with something like alias char-major-13 input joydev gameport grip in /etc/modules.conf. If still no luck, put the module names in /etc/modules. But you'll probably have to play around with it and the modules, but maybe this'll get you started. -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] trying to connect
On Thursday 30 May 2002 07:32 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tryed to connect direct to my cable modem with no luck then everone is suggesting just connect to the windows 2000 system(which I have in the same room) O.K with that I tryed but with about the same luck but I didn,t install samba I need to go back and install it for that to work wouldn,t I No, you won't need samba just for internet access. You'll need to set up internet connection sharing in w2k and config your nic in mandrake. But man, is that backwards or what? I haven't been following your problem, but I would try harder on the linux side first. -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Slightly OT Mandrake stock
On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 10:25, Franki wrote: another case in point... my girlfriend has used only windows at work... I gave her a windows PC at home for a present.. (the kind that keeps on giving, virus's defrag etc.. :-) two months ago, I told her I was going to swap her to linux.. she said can I still read email and browse web and write documents and make spreadsheets... I said yes.. she said OK... and hasn't had a problem. its not that hard anymore,, only the install and config are hard... In most cases, no harder than Windows (admittedly, I'm thinking Windows 9* here, since I haven't ried more recent versions). The one thing in Windows' favour from the install point of view is that if your hardware isn't supported on the installation CDs, it will almost certainly be on a CD that came with the device, or be easily downloadable, whereas this tends not to be the case with Linux. A few companies produce their own Linux drivers (NVIDIA, HP etc.) but for most of them, if the driver (or something vaguely compatible) isn't in your distro, you're pretty much screwed. I am not a fan of microshaft, but I have to admit that their config and add/remove stuff is still better then Mandrake's.. or any other *nix.. fortunatly thats the only area where they are ahead... Again, I'm comparing Mandrake 8.2 with Windows 98, which is unfair, but I find Mandrake somewhat easier to configure, and installing/uninstalling software in Windows now makes me extremely frustrated. Not only can you not do anything else while your software is being (un)installed, you frequently have to reboot. Reboot, for God's sake! Sir Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] trying to connect
yeesh, S is right, you have it around the wrong way.. but its not hard to do what you want either.. setup your connection in win2000, set it up for sharing (ICS) give your win2000 netowrk card (that will link to the linux box) a private IP address, (192.168.0.1 is required for win) make your linux box 192.168.0.2 (in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0) then edit /etc/resolv.conf to reflect your ISP's DNS servers. then open /etc/sysconfig/network it should look something like this: NETWORKING=yes FORWARD_IPV4=yes HOSTNAME=my.computer.hostname DOMAINNAME=computer.hostname GATEWAYDEV=eth0 GATEWAY=192.168.0.1 (you can remove GATEWAYDEV if you like, and set IPV4 to no.. since you are not using NAT.. but you may as well leave them there for when you come to your senses and connect using the linux box and share with everything from there..) end by opening up a console and typing: service network restart Then make sure your browsers are configured for any proxy server your ISP has.. and you should be able to browse.. if you have done that properly.. it will work.. if it doesn't, the chances are you flubbed something on the win2000 side. Incidenly, if you leave IPV4 as yes in /etc/network, you can use the linux box's nat to share the win2000's net connection with the rest of your network.. nat over nat.. kinda funny really.. regards Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of s Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2002 7:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] trying to connect On Thursday 30 May 2002 07:32 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tryed to connect direct to my cable modem with no luck then everone is suggesting just connect to the windows 2000 system(which I have in the same room) O.K with that I tryed but with about the same luck but I didn,t install samba I need to go back and install it for that to work wouldn,t I No, you won't need samba just for internet access. You'll need to set up internet connection sharing in w2k and config your nic in mandrake. But man, is that backwards or what? I haven't been following your problem, but I would try harder on the linux side first. -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] trying to connect
On Wed, 29 May 2002, s wrote: On Thursday 30 May 2002 07:32 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tryed to connect direct to my cable modem with no luck then everone is suggesting just connect to the windows 2000 system(which I have in the same room) O.K with that I tryed but with about the same luck but I didn,t install samba I need to go back and install it for that to work wouldn,t I No, you won't need samba just for internet access. You'll need to set up internet connection sharing in w2k and config your nic in mandrake. But man, is that backwards or what? I haven't been following your problem, but I would try harder on the linux side first. -s amen to that! its far easier to setup connection sharing on Mandrake then on Win2K. the only problem here would be that you'd need to have the win2k box and anything else behind the mandrake box that is sharing the connection with the others acting as a gateway. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] trying to connect
I,d rather have it the otherway round but ATT want support it at all I tryed the other night for the longest time I,m so nw to linux couldn,t get it working even no help local just what I,ve got here ,then a couple of guys suggested I try it the other way rould thats the way they had there,s I tryed that with the same luck.I,ve never shared connection before but can sign either card to my cable modem and they work fine but there,s something I,m missing in the mandrake config shows up but want connect either way. - Original Message - From: daRcmaTTeR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] trying to connect On Wed, 29 May 2002, s wrote: On Thursday 30 May 2002 07:32 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tryed to connect direct to my cable modem with no luck then everone is suggesting just connect to the windows 2000 system(which I have in the same room) O.K with that I tryed but with about the same luck but I didn,t install samba I need to go back and install it for that to work wouldn,t I No, you won't need samba just for internet access. You'll need to set up internet connection sharing in w2k and config your nic in mandrake. But man, is that backwards or what? I haven't been following your problem, but I would try harder on the linux side first. -s amen to that! its far easier to setup connection sharing on Mandrake then on Win2K. the only problem here would be that you'd need to have the win2k box and anything else behind the mandrake box that is sharing the connection with the others acting as a gateway. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OS BACKUPS
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 17:30, you wrote: Thanks Derek, I've found drakbackup and I am downloading right now Mondo. One thing puzzles me though. I can see how these programmes can from the desktop so to speak create backup files , and I can see how they might write to disc from desktop, but I cannot see how one restores from CD still in the desktop. You are asking the system to write over it's own existance, so to speak. All other restore backup programmes I have ever worked with create a mini OS in memory of the basic hardware and load a small graphical programme into memory as well, to do the restore. Can someone please explain this to me. John Well in the case of Mondo the first CD in the set it creates is a bootable CD with its own mini Linux distro on it. You just boot from that CD and then you can restore partions,directories or the entire installation. Trouble with Mondo is it needs 7 CD's for my system so I cannot be bothered running it very often. Now that explains it. I've downloaded and installed Mondo and Mini, (I though this was a Robbin Williams joke , at first) Have yet to create the bootdisks, I assume like the others backup programmes of this type you can do the whole lot in this mode, if you want, which would mean that once you have created the CD then you could remove the programme from desktop if you so wish. However from my point of view this seems to have the two obvious poor points that it is both commandline only,and more importantly ,has poor compression, but it's not to be ruled out. Your post reminded me to take a closer look at drakbackup which I had not looked at since the 8.2beta2. Drakbackup makes an incremental backup to ftp, or a Directory (local or NFS) at present. It does not backup to CD, and it only backs up home directories, the /etc directory and other directories you specify. The thinking there is you can restore the other folders by installing again from your install CD's so you only need to backup the 'volatile' data. Drakbackup can be run from the GUI or the terminal, although I have not been able to get it to run in a cron job yet. Now I like the gui , seems simple enough, and I got it doing something, but as a system backup it hardly equates. The whole point of creating an OS backup is to do away with all those hours of install and configuration. The aim is to create a pristine new install with everything in apple pie order, and back it up to discs so that you can replace it anytime you want in a few minutes, PQ drive image would take about half an hour to do an OS of about 2.5gigs and I suppose I am looking for a replacement in the linux world in this manner. I guess one does not exist ? Another problem with drakbackup appears that it is unable to create multiple disk files for writing to CD discs. I mean 2.5 to 3.0gigs of OS even with full compression is at least 2 discs worth in any backup system. To date no one has mentioned dump. Anyone know anything about this programme. Is it any use for OS backups. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OS BACKUPS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 May 2002 1:18 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: I have never managed to get to grips with the linux method of OS backups. It goes without saying they are big files, with the need to create compressed multi CD writes. So how do you backup Linux OS's , write them to CD, and restore. I don't bother (but your needs may be different from mine) :) What I do is: - - make sure I save the list of packages chosen to floppy when installing Mandrake; - - copy all .rpm and .tar.gz files not into the Mandrake 8.2 baseline to CD-R every week; - - write a script which .tar.bz2s and encrypts settings I want to keep in /home, Mail directory etcetera then copies it to my FTP site (every day) and CD-R (every week); - - copy my ADSL modem drivers to CD-R as well. Then, when it comes to a reinstall, I: - - reformat and install Mandrake using the floppy to restore the package settings; - - copy the ADSL modem drivers from CD-R; - - ftp the kept settings, decrypt and decompress then run another script to put them back; - - do a few urpmi and configure/make/make install to install from the .rpm and .tar.gz files on CD-R. The whole reinstall from scratch takes about 45 minutes. I'm not clear why you need to have a byte-by-byte copy of the existing setup (which, in my case, would be a dreadful idea as my various experiments would probably have half-wrecked the configuration it was keeping :) Alastair - -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) http://www.unmetered.org.uk/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE89hylCv59vFiSU4YRAozNAKC5fOO5YgBuQvXxc2GhQRqUsz2pFgCfVKre YR6iE4jMkttP4ee8+VVUDzc= =I3kt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] StarOffice
Hi, anybody knows where I can download Staroffice? Or now I can get only if I pay? Thanks Yas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mount file system failure
Today I reinstalled Mandrake 8.2 (I have been running it without problems since the first release), and now during boot process, at the stage of mounting file systems I always get a red-letter [FAILURE]. I reinstalled again (with a clean reformat), but I still get this message on boot up. LM 8.2 subsequently starts up OK, and I haven't noticed any problems, but this still makes me nervous. Any suggestions? Chuck Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2
I dont know if you have already solved your problem, but I have a suggestion that may help. WHen you load linux, if X starts automatically you can change runlevels from console. First press ctr-alt-f1 or any f, then as root type telinit 3 to move to run level three. From there go to the X11 folder in /etc and run a configuration script named XF86Config or something like that. This has always worked for me, even in other OS's like FreeBSD. It will prompt you for your monitor, card information etc, just make sure you have a good documentation of your hardware like monitor vertical refresh rate, make-model-memory of video card etc. For the keyboard and mouse configurations the default options usually work. To start X again and test if your new configuration is correct type startx or telinit 5 Sometimes after running the script you may want to edit it by had to choose default resolution and things like that... Roberto... --- Joaquin Menchaca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What config did you use. How do I stop xwindows from starting (or at least escape out of it) and setup a different configuration? -Original Message- From: MELEAN Yasmin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 1:16 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [newbie] Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2 Hi, I just installed Mandrake 8.2 in my laptop. I'm a new user of linux and I'm not sure if I can help you. I have also an ATI Mobility Radeon card and when I installed by default Mandrake 8.2, the Xconf didn't work. I searched by myself another conf. till I found the correct. Yas -Message d'origine- De : Joaquin Menchaca [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : jeudi 30 mai 2002 10:01 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : [newbie] Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2 The video mode is whacked. I tried GUI installs. NOT!!! I tried text install and then 1024x768 mode, NOT It's seems that the ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 has problems. :-( No Linux for me. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mount file system failure
On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 22:50, Charles Muller wrote: Today I reinstalled Mandrake 8.2 (I have been running it without problems since the first release), and now during boot process, at the stage of mounting file systems I always get a red-letter [FAILURE]. I reinstalled again (with a clean reformat), but I still get this message on boot up. LM 8.2 subsequently starts up OK, and I haven't noticed any problems, but this still makes me nervous. Any suggestions? Chuck It's probably trying to mount a foreign (windows) file system that was incorrectly set up for mounting during the install. As root, in a console, type: mount -a and see what error you get. This command tries to mount all unmounted filesystems that are listed in /etc/fstab That should show you where the error lies. If you just want to get rid of the message (i.e. you don't want this filesystem mounted) edit /etc/fstab as root and remove the offending line. If you want this fs mounted, tell us what it is, post your fstab and we can help work out why it's complaining. HTH Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Digital cameras and Linux
I thought I had remembered seeing this in a few previous posts, but can't quite remember. Is there a website that lists what digital cameras will work with Linux fairly well? I just bought my wife a Fuji Finepix A101 camera, and would like to know if it works with Linux in case I decided to borrow it and play with it .. :) Much appreciated! Terry Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice
Yas, You can go to http://www.sun.com/staroffice or you can visit http://www.openoffice.org and download OpenOffice 6.0 for free. From what I've seen and heard, OpenOffice is no different than StarOffice, just that it's free. HTH, Terry On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 08:41, MELEAN Yasmin wrote: Hi, anybody knows where I can download Staroffice? Or now I can get only if I pay? Thanks Yas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Terry Sheltra PC Technician/Asst. Network Administrator University of Virginia School of Architecture 434.982.3047 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice
...but from the sun site you can only donwload version 5.2, and only till some time in the near future when they will remove it from the online site. 6.0 not for free, and thus cannot be downloaded from sun's (or any other ) site. staroffice 6.0 is based on openoffice 6.0, which is free. raffaele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yas, You can go to http://www.sun.com/staroffice or you can visit http://www.openoffice.org and download OpenOffice 6.0 for free. From what I've seen and heard, OpenOffice is no different than StarOffice, just that it's free. HTH, Terry On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 08:41, MELEAN Yasmin wrote: Hi, anybody knows where I can download Staroffice? Or now I can get only if I pay? Thanks Yas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Greetings everyone
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 08:04 pm, Igor Scerbina wrote: Hi , My name is Igor Scerbina, I recently installed Mandrake linux OS and am interested in learning as much as i can. Good for you Igor, and welcome ;) I am currently having trouble setting up my cmi8338 sound card. It plays the error sounds but doesn't want to play any of my audio Cd's. I'll assume you mean audio CD's in your Cdrom ? You need a 3 wire cable running from the CDrom drive to either a connector on the sound card, or a header on the motherboard (if your sound chip is integrated into the mobo). The connection on the Cdrom (pins) are on the far left side looking at it from the back. The connector on a sound card is fairly obvious, sometimes there's two. You can use either. If you have onboard sound, you can find which is the correct header (pins) by refering to the mobo's manual, or it might be labeled on the mobo. Polarity (which way you plug the connectors in) only makes a difference for which speaker gets which channel. So before you put the case cover back on, test to make sure left is going to left, right to right. If it's backwards, just reverse a connector on one end of the cable. If you have any problems, holler back and tell us what computer you have. If you don't have the Cdrom cable, any computer parts outlet will sell (maybe give) you one. -- Tom BrinkmanCorpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OS BACKUPS
SNIP Well in the case of Mondo the first CD in the set it creates is a bootable CD with its own mini Linux distro on it. You just boot from that CD and then you can restore partions,directories or the entire installation. Trouble with Mondo is it needs 7 CD's for my system so I cannot be bothered running it very often. Now that explains it. I've downloaded and installed Mondo and Mini, (I though this was a Robbin Williams joke , at first) Have yet to create the bootdisks, I assume like the others backup programmes of this type you can do the whole lot in this mode, if you want, which would mean that once you have created the CD then you could remove the programme from desktop if you so wish. However from my point of view this seems to have the two obvious poor points that it is both commandline only,and more importantly ,has poor compression, but it's not to be ruled out. SNIP Mondo actually does quite good compression. You can set it for up to 7 levels of compression. I think my problem is in defining the partitions to back up. I think it tries to back up my Windows partition as well which in turn has a backup image of my sons computer. (He is still in 'transit' from Windows to Linux) Its hard to know with Mondo what it is going to backup until it actually does it. I am clearly doing something wrong since even by excluding almost every directory in sight it still makes a backup of 5 CDs derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice
On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 22:01, Terry Sheltra wrote: and download OpenOffice 6.0 for free. From what I've seen and heard, OpenOffice is no different than StarOffice, just that it's free. There are some differences. Star Office contains some proprietary stuff like clip art, fonts, and some code that sun didn't own and didn't have permission to open source (i think this in stuff like spell check or thesaurus, but am not sure). Otherwise, yeah they are almost exactly the same. -- Chris Spackman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mount file system failure
On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 22:02, Brian Parish [in response to my query about non-mounting file systems] wrote: mount -a and see what error you get. No error message, and I do have access to all my file systems. Apparently this message is being erroneously generated? Chuck Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] XFS vs. ReiserFS (OT resurrected)
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 05:37 pm, Franki wrote: I too am a proponent of reiserfs... I tried XFS with 8.2 but the inability of a boot disk really caused me problems, (my existing IBM300PL home server won't boot from the 40 gig IBM hard disk by itself (only see's it as a 8.4gig.) so the only way to get linux up and running is via boot disk.. (linux then see's the full 40gig also.) XFS driver is too big to fit on a floppy. I'll not argue that that is the current wisdom, but . While I was usin XFS I was able to make boot disks every time i tried (5 or 6 different kernels, 3 different XFS installs). Two things, I changed floppy's fstab line to use 'auto' rather than 'fs=vfat'. I recompiled the kernel using Mandrake's default config (editing only to enable CONFIG_MK7=y and comment out i586). That was to optimize for athlon, but I don't believe arch type makes the difference. I did one kernel usin i686 (actually by mistake ;) and was able to make a boot disk for that kernel also. Then 'mkbootdisk $(uname -r)' (as root) always successfully made an XFS boot disk. Dunno why, just lucky I guess ;) -- Tom BrinkmanCorpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Slightly OT Mandrake stock
On Thursday 30 May 2002 04:45 am, Robin did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: Again, I'm comparing Mandrake 8.2 with Windows 98, which is unfair, but it is unfair. from all reports i have heard (by reliable sources) XP is a pig that eats its own drivers for no good reason and demands you reinstall them. :) -- Spam not unto me! I shall decode thy email headers and trace thy routes, and smite them, and I shall pursue thy provider and thy provider's upstream link. Yea, unto the seventh generation shall I pursue thy links, and thou shalt spam no more. shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] x config
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 11:06 am, Pupeno did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: Well, I removed some kde 2 packages and I ended up installing them again, but now I also have the kde 3 packages and I'm using kdm from kde 3, but kdm from kde 2 is there, didn't remove any font, but I had some problems with the font, some day, they were all screwed up. if you have both kdms it might be confusing the system. is it the kdm from kde 3.0.1? 3.0.1 is an overwrite of kde2. That error I get it to the console every 5 minutes or so, I'm running in runlevel 5, X is working but it crashes from time to time (in fact, as the uptime increases for more than 18 hs the crash posibilities get real high). you might change to runlvl 3 and start x on your own however you prefer. that might (or might not) help with crashing until you solve the trouble. I don't have almost any gnome packages, just some libs, but this was this way for a long time ago (before upgrading from 8.1 to 8.2. So, how can I track what's going on ? Is there any log I can read to get more information about this ? if you mean that x was crashing before you upgraded from 8.1, you may have an entirely different problem. look in /var/log at the xsession logs (Xfree86.log?) and the kdm log. that may help. -- Microsoft: Writing viruses has never been easier! shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Slightly OT Mandrake stock
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 09:44 pm, Damian G did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: this difference can and will be worked out in time. but for this to happen, a difference must exist between the linux user community and the linux developers bunch of anti-social, cofee-maniac, manual reading geeks ;oP and thanks for not bring your preconcieved notions to the list. ;) the problem with your statement, is the difference between user and developer is why windows is 90% useless fluff. that difference encourages creating dancing paper clips rather than functions that people want. yes, many members could be more understanding, but some users could realize that statements like why doesn't this just work? linux is crap cause i can't install this brand new alpha software that i was already warned doesn't work with my video card! will not get a lot of (positive) responce. ;) another part of the problem is that since the sooftware can be obtained free, the support by those who (usually) know it best is what should be charged for. yes, there is still great user support, but sometimes you need more. look at it as the evolution of free trade on the net. has anyone considered the possibility of a pressure element? kinda like some very dark forces secretly pushing within the software market in order to make it harder for them? more than you know -- Psychic Convention. If you belong there, you will KNOW when and where. shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mount file system failure
On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 23:50, Charles Muller wrote: On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 22:02, Brian Parish [in response to my query about non-mounting file systems] wrote: mount -a and see what error you get. No error message, and I do have access to all my file systems. Apparently this message is being erroneously generated? Chuck Hmmm. Maybe another way to track it easily: cat /etc/fstab mount Compare the output from each. If you find a line in fstab (apart from CD drives and floppies) that doesn't have a corresponding mounted fs, that will probably be the culprit. Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mount file system failure
On Thursday 30 May 2002 06:50 am, Charles Muller did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 22:02, Brian Parish [in response to my query about non-mounting file systems] wrote: mount -a and see what error you get. No error message, and I do have access to all my file systems. Apparently this message is being erroneously generated? do you have an external drive of any kind? i have a MMC reader for getting digital photos off my camcorder that mandrake found and setup, but it fails the first mount as USB is not running yet when it trys to mount it. thus it reports a failure. after USB is loaded it mounts it, again automatic, before the boot finishes. -- The linux philosophy is laugh in the face of danger. Oops. Wrong one. 'Do it yourself.' That's it. -L. Torvalds shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] trying to connect
That is the problem I was having, and this is what ended up working for me since I had the same type of cable co. eyes watching me... Server configuration: NIC 1 = WAN = Server assigned and setup this NIC to share (ICS and this also uses NAT so your LAN workstations will communicate) When checking ipconfig you will see the IP assigned by your cable company and a class C subnet of 255.255.255.0 NIC 2 = LAN = 192.168.1.1 and subnet of 255.255.0.0 no sharing, as it is the one used to share the internet From NIC 1, and communicate with the LAN. Workstation (each IP on the LAN goes in sequential order): NIC = 192.168.1.2 Subnet 255.255.0.0 with the Gateway and DNS of 192.168.1.1 That was it... Putting them on a seperate subnet is what fixed it for me... (This was using my win 2K as the server) HTH Seraph I,d rather have it the otherway round but ATT want support it at all I tryed the other night for the longest time I,m so nw to linux couldn,t get it working even no help local just what I,ve got here ,then a couple of guys suggested I try it the other way rould thats the way they had there,s I tryed that with the same luck.I,ve never shared connection before but can sign either card to my cable modem and they work fine but there,s something I,m missing in the mandrake config shows up but want connect either way. - Original Message - From: daRcmaTTeR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] trying to connect On Wed, 29 May 2002, s wrote: On Thursday 30 May 2002 07:32 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tryed to connect direct to my cable modem with no luck then everone is suggesting just connect to the windows 2000 system(which I have in the same room) O.K with that I tryed but with about the same luck but I didn,t install samba I need to go back and install it for that to work wouldn,t I No, you won't need samba just for internet access. You'll need to set up internet connection sharing in w2k and config your nic in mandrake. But man, is that backwards or what? I haven't been following your problem, but I would try harder on the linux side first. -s amen to that! its far easier to setup connection sharing on Mandrake then on Win2K. the only problem here would be that you'd need to have the win2k box and anything else behind the mandrake box that is sharing the connection with the others acting as a gateway. Mark -- -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to create a cd from ISO file
Jim Turner wrote: With Nero (at least the version I have, which I don't know offhand and I'm not booting into windows to find out), you first have to rename the file image.iso to image.nrg. I have no idea why. But, once you've done that, click File-Burn Image (this might be Create Image, or even just Image, but it's something like that). Then it opens a find file dialog and you just select your image.nrg. It then gives you some options that don't mean anything to me, and I've always found that if I just leave them set as they are, it works fine. --jim I'm a little surprised at this - certainly you don't have to in Nero 5. What seems to cause most problems, though, is that it seems 'common sense' to choose the option to create a bootable drive. It's the wrong choice. The 'Burn an image' choice is the right one, as you said. The files are re-created including those needed to boot. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Samba - Half there?
daRcmaTTeR wrote: I've been loosely following this and I'm curious why you haven't tried setting up a Mandrake box to do the gateway/firewall/file serving duties for the other machines on your LAN. I started doing this - and still want to eventually - but ran into difficulties. Specifically, first hardware - I found that my floppy drive on the old box could not be accessed. I concluded that it was dead and bought a new one, but that couldn't be accessed either, so I presume it is a mobo fault. I am to upgrade two computers this summer, so another mobo will be available then. Secondly - a Cat5 cable running across a room, down a staircase, across the entrance hall and into this room is perilous, to say the least. It won't be necessary when I've done, but I need to be in here while I'm setting it up. Thirdly - I set up Mdk 8.1, and tried to set up mail and file serving, but this meant that I had to constantly change IP addresses so that the Win PCs looked to the Linux box, and back again when I had to leave it. Not surprisingly, neither Linux nor Wins were happy with these frequent changes. snip It took about a month to get everything squared away, but once it was all setup and working it was well worth the effort. I should mention that there are many here now that helped me a lot to get things up and working. couldn't have done it without them. I have been reading here for a week or two now, and am impressed both by the quality of replies, even when we ask the most stupid questions, and the speed of response. To be able to try again before losing heart is a great help. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] chroot problem on 8.1
Hi all, I am using mandrake 8.1 and need ( I have problem with starting linux and found the instrucion on mandrake site) to execute chroot /mnt command. I receive the message : chroot: cannot execute /bin/bash : permission denied. I am logged as root! where is the problem?Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
[newbie] Unreal
Did anyone try this yet? I was considering buying it tomorrow, but I hear that it is pretty hacked together... If it is good, then I will get it. Hey, what's another Native Linux game to add to my collection? Unreal is like $10 here or something. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice
On Thursday 30 May 2002 09:29 am, you wrote: On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 22:01, Terry Sheltra wrote: and download OpenOffice 6.0 for free. From what I've seen and heard, OpenOffice is no different than StarOffice, just that it's free. OpenOffice 6 is out? When did that happen? I just downloaded 1.0 like a couple weeks ago... I guess they still haven't updated their site yet, because it still says 1.0. Link? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice
On Thursday 30 May 2002 08:23 am, D. Olson did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: On Thursday 30 May 2002 09:29 am, you wrote: On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 22:01, Terry Sheltra wrote: and download OpenOffice 6.0 for free. From what I've seen and heard, OpenOffice is no different than StarOffice, just that it's free. OpenOffice 6 is out? When did that happen? I just downloaded 1.0 like a couple weeks ago... I guess they still haven't updated their site yet, because it still says 1.0. i tjink that is a typo. open 1.0 is relative to star 6.0 -- ...in a world without walls or fences, we wouldn't need windows or gates. shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Unwanted extended partition
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 03:43 am, dfox wrote: I've tried Linux fdisk, cfdisk and parted, fdisk appears to work in deleting the type 5 partition but when I try to reinstall it appears again, i.e. I format select /hda1-5 for example but in the next stage it will show that it is formatting /hda6. An extended partition is jut a container for other partitions, and is in itself not directly addressable/formattable. You can create partitions inside the extended partition and format them, like hda6. But in order to have a /dev/hda5, you'd first need to have /dev/hda1 through /dev/hda4, in other words, four other (primary) partitions. As an IDE drive cah only do four primary partitions, the usual scheme (for those who need more) would be to format/partition /dev/hda1 through /dev/hda3, make /dev/hda4 an extended partitino for the remainder of the disk, and then parition additional partitions inside /dev/hda4. I'm not sure why it reappears. If you use linux fdisk and delete the partition, you should be able to create primary partitions on that drive, format, and continue. fdisk has indeed cleared all partitions, my problem is apparently with a corrupt MBR, I get LILO Descriptor checksum error post install, looks like I've got some research to do to find out what is wrong and how to fix it, so I guess I've got some serious RTFM ahead of me :-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Slightly OT Mandrake stock
On Thursday 30 May 2002 09:27 am, shane wrote: the problem with your statement, is the difference between user and developer is why windows is 90% useless fluff. that difference encourages creating dancing paper clips rather than functions that people want. yes, many members could be more understanding, but some users could realize that statements like why doesn't this just work? linux is crap cause i can't install this brand new alpha software that i was already warned doesn't work with my video card! will not get a lot of (positive) responce. ;) Harware is becoming more'n more a stumbling block to wean users off Windoze and to any other alernatives. Yes, a lot of the latest and greatest high end hardware has poor to no Linux support. M$ enforces this situation thru licensing agreements, and just plain illegal arm twisting and bullying of the vendors. OTOH, low end hardware is also becoming a much greater problem as more'n and more win-hardware is used in ready made (Dell, Gateway, Compact, etc) systems that all come with Winblows pre-installed. This junk also has poor to no Linux support also because it can't be supported, and most people buy these kinds of systems. For these hardware reasons alone, most existing Windoze users are fixin to stay put and pay any price M$ extorts from 'em. Still I think for financial reasons and security, there's some hope, and I still believe more, even a lot of M$ users will jump ship no matter how difficult M$ tries to make doin so feasible. I believe that's already begun, tho it's gonna take years. As it happens tho, M$ is gonna havt'a to use even greater extortions like it's current SA licenses to support their corporate bloat, and hopefully that'll eventually get the ball rollin faster as more M$'rs bail out. Then there's the younguns comin up. Mostly the current college crowd and a lot already use Linux, or at least are aware of it, or somethin other than Winblows. As M$'s existing user base dies off, there's gonna be a lower an lower percentage of new M$ users. This is also gonna cause M$ into more drastic, user alienating tactics. This'll provide the incentive for hardware vendors to worry less about M$ wrath, and more about supporting non-M$ users. Microsoft is a slowly sinkin ship (take a look at MSFT stock prices over the last coupl'a years), Linux stock will do better. -- Tom BrinkmanCorpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT=to Damian!
Hello Damian Can you please define that last point of yours? What exactly do you mean by that. I thought of the opposite so far. Greetings Dimitris well, all situations in life have at least two sides... yes, of course most companies/people can be favoured with Linux getting more popular. after all, this would give it a lot more strength and it would surely show. and this is what we all want here. it's best for the majority of the people. the problem i have with this idea is that i'm possitive that the software world, much like many other money-making worlds, are not a democracy. the choices are not made by listening to the majority. people don't seem to matter much. only marketing. this is what i feel when i read an article in a local magazine, when they did an interview with Bill Gates and on the cover of that magazine there was his face and in big white letters: We built the PC ecosystem ( ecosystem? looks more like a food chain to me. And the user is not exactly the shark here.. ) ... this fact that the software market is ruled by a few, huge corporations making several times more money than an average country, lead me to a very simple idea. they are not keeping that money under the pillow. they can be a very strong influence in many ways, they can keep things the way they want it. to put a very clear example, have you ever heard the rumor going around about electric cars? that one about electric cars being still very rare and expensive because of all the ward work it takes to get over the oil companies' pressure? this one is a real cutie, don't you think? if we keep messing with our environment like we are today, mankind and the whole planet will be in serious trouble in just a couple of centuries. Oh but the oil company's president is not going to live 200 years so he doesn't care about that. only making his money. ** and they would lose all that if suddenly that company is NOT the absolute undisputable number one.. ** so when i said they have billions of green reasons not to let that happen , what i meant was billions of dollars to lose if that happens. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mount file system failure
On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 23:37, shane wrote: do you have an external drive of any kind? i have a MMC reader for getting digital photos off my camcorder that mandrake found and setup, but it fails the first mount as USB is not running yet when it trys to mount it. thus it reports a failure. after USB is loaded it mounts it, again automatic, before the boot finishes. Yes, I have an external USB hard drive. It is listed during the installation process, but does not seem to be registered after boot up. I have followed Brian's advice with fstab and mount, but I am not very well able to decipher the results. It's a lot to ask anyone to look through, but here is what comes out: [chuck@localhost chuck]$ cat /etc/fstab /dev/hda8 / ext2 defaults 1 1 none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hda11 /home ext2 defaults 1 2 /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/hdc,fs=iso9660,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0 /mnt/cdrom2 /mnt/cdrom2 supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=iso9660,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0 /mnt/floppy /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=vfat,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,sync,codepage=850 0 0 /dev/hda1 /mnt/win_c vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850 0 0 /dev/sda5 /mnt/win_c2 vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850 0 0 /dev/hda6 /mnt/win_d vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850 0 0 /dev/hda7 /mnt/win_e vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850 0 0 /dev/hda5 /opt ext2 defaults 1 2 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hda9 /usr ext2 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda10 /var ext2 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda12 swap swap defaults 0 0 [chuck@localhost chuck]$ mount /dev/hda8 on / type ext2 (rw) none on /proc type proc (rw) none on /dev type devfs (rw) none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,mode=0620) none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) /dev/hda11 on /home type ext2 (rw) /mnt/cdrom on /mnt/cdrom type supermount (ro,dev=/dev/hdc,fs=iso9660,--,iocharset=iso8859-1) /mnt/cdrom2 on /mnt/cdrom2 type supermount (ro,dev=/dev/scd0,fs=iso9660,--,iocharset=iso8859-1) /mnt/floppy on /mnt/floppy type supermount (rw,sync,dev=/dev/fd0,fs=vfat,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850) /dev/hda1 on /mnt/win_c type vfat (rw,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850) /dev/hda6 on /mnt/win_d type vfat (rw,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850) /dev/hda7 on /mnt/win_e type vfat (rw,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850) /dev/hda5 on /opt type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda9 on /usr type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda10 on /var type ext2 (rw) none on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw,devmode=0664,devgid=43) /dev/sda5 on /mnt/win_c2 type vfat (rw,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850) Once again, thanks. Chuck Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Unreal
On Thu, 30 May 2002, D. Olson wrote: Did anyone try this yet? I was considering buying it tomorrow, but I hear that it is pretty hacked together... If it is good, then I will get it. Hey, what's another Native Linux game to add to my collection? Unreal is like $10 here or something. :) believe me when I tell you it is the best $10 dollars you will have ever spent on a game to run in Linux. Provided you're not going to try and run on a machine less then a PII with at least 128MB of RAM and a vid card with less then 16MB of memory on it. as for Unreal itself you will have to get the version that installs in windows and then download the Linux binary to install what's on the CD's to your Linux system. It looks and plays exactly the same in Linux as it does in windows thanks to OpenGL. Loki has done a spectacular job on this game. if you get the CD's labeled UT_GOTY let me know. there is a specific binary that you'll need to run to install the game correctly. I have it here at home and can stick on the FTP server for you no trouble at all. -- Mark a.k.a. daRcmaTTeR -- If your wife told you NOT to do it there's probably a real good reason! - REGISTERED LINUX USER #186492 Penguinized since 1997 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Unreal
Let me clarify: I already have UT GOTY edition... I have a tutorial for installing it on my site (http://mdkxp.by-a.com/). What I was asking about was the original Unreal, the one that someone just released a Loki installer for. I think I may buy it anyhow. Someone else told me that it works well. DOlson On Thursday 30 May 2002 11:46 am, you wrote: On Thu, 30 May 2002, D. Olson wrote: Did anyone try this yet? I was considering buying it tomorrow, but I hear that it is pretty hacked together... If it is good, then I will get it. Hey, what's another Native Linux game to add to my collection? Unreal is like $10 here or something. :) believe me when I tell you it is the best $10 dollars you will have ever spent on a game to run in Linux. Provided you're not going to try and run on a machine less then a PII with at least 128MB of RAM and a vid card with less then 16MB of memory on it. as for Unreal itself you will have to get the version that installs in windows and then download the Linux binary to install what's on the CD's to your Linux system. It looks and plays exactly the same in Linux as it does in windows thanks to OpenGL. Loki has done a spectacular job on this game. if you get the CD's labeled UT_GOTY let me know. there is a specific binary that you'll need to run to install the game correctly. I have it here at home and can stick on the FTP server for you no trouble at all. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice
On Thursday 30 May 2002 10:23 am, D. Olson wrote: On Thursday 30 May 2002 09:29 am, you wrote: On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 22:01, Terry Sheltra wrote: and download OpenOffice 6.0 for free. From what I've seen and heard, OpenOffice is no different than StarOffice, just that it's free. OpenOffice 6 is out? When did that happen? I just downloaded 1.0 like a couple weeks ago... I guess they still haven't updated their site yet, because it still says 1.0. Link? http://ranger.dnsalias.com/mandrake/mandrake8.2/OpenOffice.org-1.0-3mdk.i586.rpm and for better fonts on your 8.2 system, also get http://ranger.dnsalias.com/mandrake/mandrake8.2/freetype2-2.0.9-3plf.i586.rpm Openoffice uses almost entirely different code than SO 6, and many report it's better than SO 6. OO had to be rewritten in it's beginning to rid itself of SO's proprietary code. SO is now aimed mostly at Windoze Office users. -- Tom BrinkmanCorpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mount file system failure
On Thursday 30 May 2002 09:13 am, Charles Muller did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 23:37, shane wrote: do you have an external drive of any kind? i have a MMC reader for getting digital photos off my camcorder that mandrake found and setup, but it fails the first mount as USB is not running yet when it trys to mount it. thus it reports a failure. after USB is loaded it mounts it, again automatic, before the boot finishes. Yes, I have an external USB hard drive. It is listed during the installation process, but does not seem to be registered after boot up. my first bet is that the USB harddrive is the failure you see. are you not able to access it all after boot? try running KwikDisk from configuration hardware and see if that shows the drive. also have a look in /mnt and see if there seems to be a coresponding folder. -- Computers are like air conditioners they stop working properly if you open windows. shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice
Link? http://ranger.dnsalias.com/mandrake/mandrake8.2/OpenOffice.org-1.0-3mdk.i58 6.rpm and for better fonts on your 8.2 system, also get http://ranger.dnsalias.com/mandrake/mandrake8.2/freetype2-2.0.9-3plf.i586.r pm Openoffice uses almost entirely different code than SO 6, and many report it's better than SO 6. OO had to be rewritten in it's beginning to rid itself of SO's proprietary code. SO is now aimed mostly at Windoze Office users. That's what I have... It's OpenOffice.org 1.0, not 6.0. I think shane was right. There is not OOo 6.0 yet. And most likely won't be for a lng time. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Greetings
Hi, my name is Seraph. I've been watching the list for almost a week now, and I've been attempting to search for docs. So I could try to find some sort of info to answer what seems like it should be a simple question... Now for the scenario: I am running Mandrake 8.2 (My first real run at Linux... I tried redhat for about 2 days and couldnt stand it, butknew I wanted something other than Winblowsas a workstation/server, onlyfor the time being till I get more proficient with it. It's sitting behind my trendnet router along w/ the rest of my network. I have been able to fumble my way though so that it now is able to see the Internet, and see the rest of my network. I am however, unseen by my windows network. I can get into the win 98 machine and browse it like I was right there, and even alter files... I can see my win 2k server, but cannot log into it (separate issue). I am completely invisible to the win boxesthough. I have tried configuring and reconfiguring netconf, I choose Winbrowsing and can see them... but they can't see me. I have checked smb://my_winbox_ip and can get in that way also, so I know Sambais running. I have gone through and setup my workgroup, and even have found where to log into the workgroup. So, now I know that I'm not just spying on the workgroup, but have actually taken steps to try to join it. I am stumped as to why I am invisible. I would be proud if that was my intent, but I actually wantquite the opposite in this instance. Any help, and/or questions to the effect of... well you didn't mention anything about this. Did you check there? Would be highly helpful. The more pointed out, the more I know to look at and for. I just ask that along with the question, perhaps some sort of idea of how/what to and not to actually configure would also be nice. Oreven a source for instructions. I am not fluent w/ the man pages by any stretch of the imagination. Thanks in advance, Seraph
Re: [newbie] XFS vs. ReiserFS (OT resurrected)
I tried XFS with 8.2 but the inability of a boot disk really caused me problems, (my existing IBM300PL home server won't boot from the 40 gig IBM hard disk by itself (only see's it as a 8.4gig.) so the only way to get linux up and running is via boot disk.. (linux then see's the full 40gig also.) XFS driver is too big to fit on a floppy. I've installed XFS on two desktops and a laptop, using XFS on all three. It successfully made a boot disk for me every time. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] can I use mandrake 8.2 on two processor board
Hi all, is it possible to run 8.2 on two processor board. Pls. point me to any info about the system configuration. Many thanks in advance.Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
[newbie] Terry S
Hello, i cant go into redhat so something is definately wrong, here is the /etc/fstab file from my RH partition: LABEL=/ / ext3defaults1 1 none/dev/ptsdevpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 /dev/hde6 /md ext3defaults1 2 none/proc procdefaults0 0 none/dev/shmtmpfs defaults0 0 /dev/hde7 swapswapdefaults0 0 here is my /etc/fstab file from my MD partition /dev/hde6 / ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/hde8 /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hde9 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/hdb,fs=iso9660,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0 /mnt/cdrom2 /mnt/cdrom2 supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=iso9660,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0 /dev/hde1 /mnt/win_c vfat defaults 0 0 /dev/hde5 /mnt/win_d vfat defaults 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hde10 /rh ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hde7 swap swap defaults 0 0 _ Is there anything else u need? Best Regards Adrian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] XFS vs. ReiserFS (OT resurrected)
Oops! I mean I put -8.2- on two desktops and a laptop using XFS on all three. No problems with boot disks. Miark I've installed XFS on two desktops and a laptop, using XFS on all three. It successfully made a boot disk for me every time. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] can I use mandrake 8.2 on two processor board
Hi, many thank the answer. where I find more info about where to get this "SMP" and how to install it. Miark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. You'll need to install the "SMP" kernel.MiarkA A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>saith: Hi all, is it possible to run 8.2 on two processor board. Pls. point me to any info about the system configuration. Many thanks in advance.Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.comDo You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
RE: [newbie] StarOffice
how big are those RPMs...??? I was thinking about downloading then, but I am near the months bandwidth cap, and if I go over, I have to pay.. (Australian ISP's suck.) If its under 40mb, I guess I can go for it.. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of D. Olson Sent: Friday, 31 May 2002 12:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] StarOffice Link? http://ranger.dnsalias.com/mandrake/mandrake8.2/OpenOffice.org-1.0-3mdk.i58 6.rpm and for better fonts on your 8.2 system, also get http://ranger.dnsalias.com/mandrake/mandrake8.2/freetype2-2.0.9-3plf.i586.r pm Openoffice uses almost entirely different code than SO 6, and many report it's better than SO 6. OO had to be rewritten in it's beginning to rid itself of SO's proprietary code. SO is now aimed mostly at Windoze Office users. That's what I have... It's OpenOffice.org 1.0, not 6.0. I think shane was right. There is not OOo 6.0 yet. And most likely won't be for a lng time. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] can I use mandrake 8.2 on two processor board
Sure. You'll need to install the SMP kernel. Miark A A [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: Hi all, is it possible to run 8.2 on two processor board. Pls. point me to any info about the system configuration. Many thanks in advance. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Greetings
lets start with the basics... if you do a "service samba status" whats it say? Inthe below lines in /etc/samba/smb.conf [GLOBAL] workgroup = MYWORKGROUP match the workgroup of your winblows machine? you might also check "encrypt passwords = yes" is set, it might help your win2000 problem. do you have a firewall blocking ports 135-139 just some stuff to start with. rgds Frank -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of SeraphSent: Friday, 31 May 2002 1:16 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [newbie] Greetings Hi, my name is Seraph. I've been watching the list for almost a week now, and I've been attempting to search for docs. So I could try to find some sort of info to answer what seems like it should be a simple question... Now for the scenario: I am running Mandrake 8.2 (My first real run at Linux... I tried redhat for about 2 days and couldnt stand it, butknew I wanted something other than Winblowsas a workstation/server, onlyfor the time being till I get more proficient with it. It's sitting behind my trendnet router along w/ the rest of my network. I have been able to fumble my way though so that it now is able to see the Internet, and see the rest of my network. I am however, unseen by my windows network. I can get into the win 98 machine and browse it like I was right there, and even alter files... I can see my win 2k server, but cannot log into it (separate issue). I am completely invisible to the win boxesthough. I have tried configuring and reconfiguring netconf, I choose Winbrowsing and can see them... but they can't see me. I have checked smb://my_winbox_ip and can get in that way also, so I know Sambais running. I have gone through and setup my workgroup, and even have found where to log into the workgroup. So, now I know that I'm not just spying on the workgroup, but have actually taken steps to try to join it. I am stumped as to why I am invisible. I would be proud if that was my intent, but I actually wantquite the opposite in this instance. Any help, and/or questions to the effect of... well you didn't mention anything about this. Did you check there? Would be highly helpful. The more pointed out, the more I know to look at and for. I just ask that along with the question, perhaps some sort of idea of how/what to and not to actually configure would also be nice. Oreven a source for instructions. I am not fluent w/ the man pages by any stretch of the imagination. Thanks in advance, Seraph
Re: [newbie] Slightly OT Mandrake stock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 30 May 2002 4:56 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: Harware is becoming more'n more a stumbling block to wean users off Windoze and to any other alernatives. Yes, a lot of the latest and greatest high end hardware has poor to no Linux support. M$ enforces this situation thru licensing agreements, and just plain illegal arm twisting and bullying of the vendors. OTOH, low end hardware is also becoming a much greater problem as more'n and more win-hardware is used in ready made (Dell, Gateway, Compact, etc) systems that all come with Winblows pre-installed. This junk also has poor to no Linux support also because it can't be supported, and most people buy these kinds of systems. An even bigger problem is Windows-only hardware that doesn't say it's Windows-only. My Lexmark printer is a case in point; from my reading of newsgroups and sites like linuxprinting.org it seems to be very hard to write drivers for it because Lexmark won't fully disclose what the printer does (there's a suspicion that some functionality, which would normally have been perfomed by the printer, has been hived off to Windows). Fortunately the Z42 drivers print out OK in black. Next time the ink cartridges run out (£36 for a pair) the printer is going in the bin and I'm buying an HP; it understands Open Source and even has a supported Sourceforge project for drivers. Quite often, that Linux works at all with J. Random Hardware is often a miracle ... Alastair - -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) http://www.unmetered.org.uk/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE89mp3Cv59vFiSU4YRAn3pAJ4lOCGIUfpU7EQlieyDj5T2Nyaq4wCfRVXX nArlBDZ+Is8blZp61Llzgu4= =5DKx -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Samba - Half there?
Derek Jennings wrote: You are best off however just defining your Linux computer to use DHCP and let your Win2k machine serve an IP address to it. You should also define the win2k machine to be the 'default gateway' for the Linux computer, and set your ISP's DNS server addresses so that the Linux computer can resolve names on the Internet. W2K and Mdk are on separate partitions on this one machine, so only one at a time is running. I intend having a separate box when I can get to it, as I told daRc. You did not select Internet Connection Sharing did you? You select that if the Linux machine is the gateway. You are using Win2k as the gateway aren't you? Yes, I did. W2K is the gate way when running, and Mdk is to be the gateway otherwise. Currently, we run a MS peer-to-peer network, with my W2K box acting as gateway. I have read that it is notoriously difficult to set up Samba if NETBUI is installed (which it is on the W98 m/cs), and one should get rid of it if at all possible. True: Samba does not work over NETBEUI The Windows computers must have the TCP stack installed, and there should be a binding between TCP/IP and 'Client for Microsoft Networks' service in the Windows Network Control Panel. It does not matter if you remove Netbeui or not.(Right click on the TCP/IP protocol in the Windows Networking control panel, and select 'PropertiesBindings') This was set, but perhaps our old problem stemmed from the fact that NETBEUI had the same binding. I have removed Netbeui and confirmed that as long as W2K is up the W98 PCs can ping each other and me and share files. BTW: Did you see this http://www.mandrakeforum.org/article.php?sid=2169lang=en I'll look at that this evening, thanks. It should help you access Windows shares from Linux which is a lot easier than the other way round. Note komba2 is recommended. derek Ping - the situation is complicated, when Mdk is running. Under W2K serving ping is OK and reasonable speed. Under Mdk, however - From W98 m/cs - ping by number is fast and returns 1 ms round trip. Ping by name gives similar statistics, but there is a delay of 1 3/4 minutes before anything appears on screen! From my m/c, ping by number is no problem. Ping by name does not work at all - 'unknown host Andy'. Does this suggest anything? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is this my ISP's (DNS?) problem? (long)
May 30, 2002 04:57 am,Mark D. Weaver wrote: snip Charles, Try setting up a rule on the INPUT chain to allow your ISP to communicate with your named server and see if this clears up. I had the same situation before, however my log entries differed somewhat from yours. I'm not completely sure that this is the case for you. I don't recall seeing that the packets were showing up on the PUB_IN chain, unless thats the way you've got it setup on purpose. iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 53 -s 24.70.95.195 -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 53 -s 24.70.95.195 -j ACCEPT You can add these two rules from the command line as root and then watch your syslog to see if the kernel continues to log or not. Mark ~~ Thanks Mark, I'll try it at once. As to this being setup this way on purpose no, it isn't... I don't think. :-) All I did was run InteractiveBastille from the console and what I chose was mostly defaults. I didn't even go through the advanced networking section when I ran it since there's no network running here other than the cable modem. I appreciate an answer that made an effort to analyze what was happening rather than the RTFM that I basically got from one person on my local LUG. I've been reading the fscking manual since I saw this first in my logs and couldn't figure out why it was suddenly happening. I haven't done anything differently than I had done in the past. From what I can tell there is something weird happening with my ISP since the primary DNS server actually got blocked twice yesterday. When I called they said no problems here, are you sure about those log entries? Whatever was going on there is no longer a concern since the entries stopped and I have no connection problems. See why I said it was confusing? Maybe a result of the MS-SQL Snake? Thank you again; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Samba - Half there?
Derek Jennings wrote: Hmm... Looks OK just like mine... Here is my /etc/samba/smb.conf file for you to compare. #=== Global Settings = [global] smb passwd file = /etc/samba/smbpasswd printing = cups dns proxy = no security = user encrypt passwords = yes workgroup = WORKGROUP server string = Samba Server %v socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m load printers = yes max log size = 50 [homes] writable = yes comment = Home Directories [printers] comment = All Printers path = /var/spool/samba browseable = no # to allow user 'guest account' to print. guest ok = yes writable = no printable = yes create mode = 0700 # = # print command: see above for details. # = print command = lpr-cups -P %p -o raw %s -r # using client side printer drivers. [print$] path = /var/lib/samba/printers browseable = yes read only = yes write list = adm root [Windows] path = /mnt/windows Here is mine: [global] smb passwd file = /etc/samba/smbpasswd path = /mnt/win_d2/Public auto services = Anne_Public printing = cups dns proxy = no encrypt passwords = yes valid users = Andy,Gillian,Micky,nigel socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 printcap name = lpstat max log size = 50 preferred master = no writable = yes security = user server string = Samba Server %v workgroup = WORKGROUP comment = Anne_Public netbios name = Anne_Linux log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m load printers = yes default = Anne_Public write list = Andy,Gillian,Micky,nigel [homes] path = comment = Home Directories [printers] comment = All Printers path = /var/spool/samba browseable = no [print$] path = /var/lib/samba/printers browseable = yes read only = yes write list = adm root [Anne_Public] user = Andy,Gillian,Micky,nigel,users write list = Andy,Gillian,Micky,nigel,users What about the [homes] line that has no path? Should it have? I do wonder about the Netbios name, too. It shows up on Neetwork Neighbourhood as Anne_linux, and Andy got a return ping from Anne_linux, but my Mdk shell prompt is anne-linux. Any comments, please? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Unreal
Are we talking about Unreal or Unreal Tournament here?? :) believe me when I tell you it is the best $10 dollars you will have ever spent on a game to run in Linux. Provided you're not going to try and run on a machine less then a PII with at least 128MB of RAM and a vid card with less then 16MB of memory on it. as for Unreal itself you will have to get the version that installs in windows and then download the Linux binary to install what's on the CD's to your Linux system. It looks and plays exactly the same in Linux as it does in windows thanks to OpenGL. Loki has done a spectacular job on this game. if you get the CD's labeled UT_GOTY let me know. there is a specific binary that you'll need to run to install the game correctly. I have it here at home and can stick on the FTP server for you no trouble at all. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Announcement: UnitedLinux
Here's the announcement for UnitedLinux. I don't know the Mandrake perspective, but it looks cool to me. I think it probably will go a long way to kick M$'s ass. UnitedLinux is clearly geared towards business applications, which I'm guessing is why Mandrake didn't jump on the wagon. http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/f_headline.cgi?bw.053002/221500050ticker=CALD Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Dual mdk install (was OS BACKUPS)
I seem to have broken my mondo. i got it to work once, now it keeps telling me my setup isn't sane, i need to install buffer, and my cdrw is mounted. (well... buffer's installed, my cdrw is not mounted... sanity is questionable though. ROFL) all just another interesting chapter to add. drakbackup doesn't seem to be any kind of backup that i want.. and backuponcd just plain doesn't work. hahahaha... impossible if you ask me, to get any kind of backup like you'd get on a MS system though it'd sure be nice to get mondo to work again.. closest i could get. As often as i'm messing up my system it'd be good to have some kind of regular setup backed up i could just pop in the cd and it copies it all automatically since i'm still learning how to do things and breaking my system so often. SO... my new question is this... is it possible to install 2 instances of mandrake on a single hard drive? one that i can use as my regular OS and only add the things i need and have tested and work, and one to mess around with? i'm just not sure how i'd make the mount point / twice? or would i have to have it installed on two hard drives? (and would that even work?) I'd really like to have 3-4 to be able to try out other distros (even though i keep coming back to mandrake) any help appreciated. Jerry. On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 07:25, Derek Jennings wrote: SNIP Well in the case of Mondo the first CD in the set it creates is a bootable CD with its own mini Linux distro on it. You just boot from that CD and then you can restore partions,directories or the entire installation. Trouble with Mondo is it needs 7 CD's for my system so I cannot be bothered running it very often. Now that explains it. I've downloaded and installed Mondo and Mini, (I though this was a Robbin Williams joke , at first) Have yet to create the bootdisks, I assume like the others backup programmes of this type you can do the whole lot in this mode, if you want, which would mean that once you have created the CD then you could remove the programme from desktop if you so wish. However from my point of view this seems to have the two obvious poor points that it is both commandline only,and more importantly ,has poor compression, but it's not to be ruled out. SNIP Mondo actually does quite good compression. You can set it for up to 7 levels of compression. I think my problem is in defining the partitions to back up. I think it tries to back up my Windows partition as well which in turn has a backup image of my sons computer. (He is still in 'transit' from Windows to Linux) Its hard to know with Mondo what it is going to backup until it actually does it. I am clearly doing something wrong since even by excluding almost every directory in sight it still makes a backup of 5 CDs derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] How to fax a document?
What are the quickest, easiest, and/or best ways to send a fax from Mandrake Linux 8.1? 1. Is it possible to fax a text file directly from the command line? How? 2. How does one setup the system to fax a document as a print output from the K text editor (or from KWord or from any other text/word processor)? 3. I just installed Win4Lin (terrific program! for only $49) so I can use Pagemaker 6.0 until I can find and figure out how to use something Linux based that would be equivalent to Pagemaker. So, how do I configure a printer so that I can send a Pagemaker document as a fax? Any help anyone can provide on any or all of the above variants of this same question would be very much appreciated. Joe Lowder Mesa, Arizona [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS: I hope to get as completely converted to Linux as possible, but until I can achieve that goal, Win4Lin is a fantastic transitional product! Anybody else out there using it? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Digital cameras and Linux
On Thursday 30 May 2002 03:46 pm, Charlie wrote: I don't see that specific model on either list (scroll down the pages to find cameras) but that doesn't mean you won't find a link (or a link to a link; wheels within wheels ya know?) with an answer at one of them, does it? :-) Or get a card reader. Then you can use any camera you want. In my case I use the SanDisk Compact Flash reader (I think Fuji uses smart media). All I have to do is modprobe usb-storage mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/compactflash and I can bring my pictures right into Linux. The compact flash looks like a drive. Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.1 KDE 2.2.1KMail 1.3.1 Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Announcement: UnitedLinux
shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: the more i look at it the more it appears to be 4 companies with questionable futures trying to hold each other up, but i will hope you are right. I think this is probably accurate, too, but I don't find that bothersome because these are technically strong companies with significant contributions to make. And they have the blessing of most/all the companies that matter. it isn't yet clear mandrake was invited to the party, but if they were you may be right. From their FAQ: We want as many Linux distributors to join this effort as possible. That means not just Red Hat but also Mandrake, Red Flag and all the others around the globe. Each and every one of them is invited to join this initiative and Red Hat has been called by this group and invited personally already. It doesn't say if MDK was personally invited, but I think I read somewhere else that all distros were contacted. still, if this is simply a full standard set, joining may help get them on the corp desktop..unless it is simply the last act of desperate companies. Like I said, I'm sure it's both. They have good financial reason to rub their heads together, but it's also a logical one that, if they play their cards well, should make some inroads for Linux. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] abit i845 boards
Hey all, I'm starting to get the itch again...time to build a new beast. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience or knowledge of how well (or poorly) Mandrake (or any distro) has fared installed onto the new Intel i845 series of motherboards? I expect the usual nightmares over RAID controllers but otherwise I'm hoping it will be okay. Am I just dreaming? ::mark p.s. in case you're wondering why Intel rather than AMD it's because I've been reading report after report of folks overclocking the Northwood 1.6a to well over 2GHz. I'm also somewhat sick of hearing about VIA pci bugs... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Instant Messengers
Does anybody know which (if any) instant messengers are compatible with MSM Messenger on Linux? Seeing as most people still use windows, it would be useful to have something that is. cheers Matt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Instant Messengers
everybuddy is the same thing as msn messanger..a friend uses it on freebsd and me and him talk i have msn and he has everybuddy
Re: [newbie] Instant Messengers
Gaim is compatible with both msm and aim. And Yahoo actually makes a Linux IM client that you can download from them. HTH Dave -- °°° David L. Steiner Registered Linux User #262493 Mandrake 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5 Sylpheed 0.7.5claws Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: www.davidlsteiner.com °°° Matt Blake said onto me: -- |Does anybody know which (if any) instant messengers are compatible with |MSM Messenger on Linux? Seeing as most people still use windows, it |would be useful to have something that is. | |cheers |Matt | | | | | -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Instant Messengers
On Friday 31 May 2002 12:37 am, you wrote: Does anybody know which (if any) instant messengers are compatible with MSM Messenger on Linux? Seeing as most people still use windows, it would be useful to have something that is. cheers Matt Hi Matt I use Gaim for MSN. One thing about Gaim that I found, was that others arn't aware you are on-line Mark Evans Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Slightly OT Mandrake stock
On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 23:22, shane wrote:
friendly flames? like friendly fire? :)
Hah!
in.
the very few groups i know that have made the change found it is more
difficult (by far) to teach a person from scratch than to teach them to use
a different OS. one person actually commented that his biggest problem was
teaching ppl to click once rather than double click to start things from
the desktop. if that is your biggest problem.
I've had the same problem. We have one Linux box in our office; the
rest are Windows. The biggest problem, apart from Where is Word?, is
people clicking on Netscape twice, opening two windows, then maybe
clicking a few more times when it's slow to load
/start{gripe} and boy is Netscape 6.2 slow - I know people say you
should get more RAM, but there's 64MB on that box, and 15 years ago I
wrote perfectly functional programs for a BBC Micro that fitted on a
floppy disk and used 32 KILObytes of RAM. As for Open Office ... Jeez,
just listen to your swap space going ungngngngung! /end{gripe}
also remember, with the new MS forced upgrade system, you buy everything,
every release, use it or not. the (very) long term cost of using windows
is a lack of innovative products and a monopoly that wants to bleed you
dry. i would rather retrain people, but like you said, just an opinion.
;)
And a good one too.
Just 2c's worth and I await friendly flames ;-)
Join the US army, or better still, any army allied to it.
Sir Robin
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RE: [newbie] Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2
Title: Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2 boot from the CD.. at the prompt...type in "rescue" (without the inverted commas.) then when its finished booting type: chroot /mnt there you go, booted to console in your linux install. then type "drakxconf" at the prompt. (again without the inverted commas.) change the default run level to 3. that will boot linux without the GUI and you can then reboot without the CD and play with your X11 settings to your hearts content. rgds Frank -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joaquin MenchacaSent: Thursday, 30 May 2002 4:16 PMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: [newbie] Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2 What config did you use. How do I stop xwindows from starting (or at least escape out of it) and setup a different configuration? -Original Message-From: MELEAN Yasmin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 1:16 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: [newbie] Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2 Hi, I just installed Mandrake 8.2 in my laptop. I'm anew userof linux andI'm not sure if I can helpyou.I have also an ATI Mobility Radeon card andwhenI installed by default Mandrake 8.2, the Xconfdidn't work. I searched by myself another conf. till I found the correct. Yas -Message d'origine-De: Joaquin Menchaca [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Envoyé: jeudi 30 mai 2002 10:01À: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Objet: [newbie] Titanium Video broken in Mandrake 8.2 The video mode is whacked. I tried GUI installs. NOT!!! I tried text install and then 1024x768 mode, NOT It's seems that the ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 has problems. :-( No Linux for me.
Re: [newbie] Slightly OT Mandrake stock
.iecai [I couldn't agree more]. Given a pre-installed system , I don't understand how any Windows user could find Mandrake/KDE more difficult than Windows. Sir Robin On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 05:30, Michael Viron wrote: Femme, As you said Linux has come a long way, but I do not think that it is that far away from being an option for the desktop. Keep in mind that Corel Linux OS (before Corel spun it off as Xandros (http://www.xandros.net/)), hid virtually all configuration behind the scenes (including partitioning) and featured a desktop that looked very close to MS. Mandrake also is very close. Just about everything you could possibly want to configure can be done via GUI programs. Want to install something? There is rpmdrake (specifically created by Mandrake), as well as Gnome and KDE equivalents. Want to browse the web? You can choose from Netscape, Mozilla, Konquerer, etc. Want to configure your system? You can do it via Mandrake Control Center, Linuxconf, or any one of a number of GUI based configuration tools. Want to read e-mail? Try K-Mail, Evolution, or any of the other GUI items out there. This is a far cry from Slackware 2.x and 3.x, which pretty much required you to hand-compile everything, and which had no way of knowing whether a dependency was installed or compiled without running a configure from the command line. Heck, the default kernel in Slackware 2.x and 3.x did not include networking by default, so if you even wanted to access the internet you had to recompile from scratch -- configuring it via a text based question / answer. In mandrake (as well as several other distros), the dependencies (for the most part) are take care of automatically. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. But, believe me, things could be a lot more tech oriented then they are now. Michael -- Michael Viron Project Manager / Primary Developer, General Education Online Core System Administration Team, Simple End User Linux At 03:44 PM 5/29/2002 -0600, you wrote: Tom Brinkman wrote: On Wednesday 29 May 2002 11:13 am, Dave Conroy wrote: It's only a matter of time before lot'sa people will need to unlearn Windows, and learn somethin else. Specially with M$'s new fangled SA programs (price gouging scams), and the horrific security holes that all M$ OS's and software feature. -- Tom BrinkmanCorpus Christi, Texas a) won't happen soon enough b) won't happen. Why? Because linux will never be a desktop OS for the masses IMO. Requires too much tech knowledge and most just want their machine to work. Shrugs, My opinion. I know its come a long way but its still got a longer way to go yet. -- Femme Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Instant Messengers
Thanks for those answers - have just picked up CCMSM and am just getting everybuddy - so i'll give them a go. Cheers. Another question: For downloading in windows i was using Get Right which was able to queue up and pause downloads etc and would reconnect automatically when my ISP cuts me off after 2 hours - is there anything similar that is available for linux? Thanks again! Matt On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 21:22, Mark Evans wrote: On Friday 31 May 2002 12:37 am, you wrote: Does anybody know which (if any) instant messengers are compatible with MSM Messenger on Linux? Seeing as most people still use windows, it would be useful to have something that is. cheers Matt Hi Matt I use Gaim for MSN. One thing about Gaim that I found, was that others arn't aware you are on-line Mark Evans Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] (Most) Linuxes unite
I'm all in favour of distros uniting if they're offering basically the
same thing, but the diversity of distros is one of the strengths of
Linux. The average First World home user doesn't want the same distro
as the impoverished hacker trying to set up a server on an i386, and
neither of them need the NSA's Crack me and I blow off your balls
distro (sorry, I forget the actual name).
/start{flamebait} OTOH, what I would realy like to see is the GNOME
people finally accepting that the Qt widgetsa are better./end{flamebait}
Sir Robin
On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 02:18, shane wrote:
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 03:52 pm, Miark opened a general hailing frequency
and transmitted to all open stations:
Linux distributors including Caldera, SuSE and TurboLinux
are expected to join forces tomorrow to unite on a common
distribution... The US CEO for Mandrake - the most popular
i noticed this too. an interesting thought, one of the things i like about
linux, and indeed all OSS, is the evolution of it. with so many active
programers, and users who actively contribute to the community, you get
features in your software that users ask for, rather than features that
managers think look cool.
in turn, the best of breed have a chance to win out. mandrake is _not_
mentioned in the group. could it be they are not fighting redhat only?
mandrake does have the desktop lead. do these other companies see it as a
redhat/mandrake world they are fighting?
if so, will this be a matter of standards only, or will theses companies
effectivly merge? and how does this reflect the stock question that has
come up in another thread? if everyone sees you as the competition does
that mean you are succeeding? or about to be cut out?
can't wait for the announce. and mandrakes reply.
--
If Microsoft is innovative in any area, it is in creating new forms of
intimidation. - Ralph Nader
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Re: [newbie] Instant Messengers
You can try gtm (Gnome Transfer Manager) http://gtm.sourceforge.net/ - paul On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 20:20, Matt Blake wrote: Thanks for those answers - have just picked up CCMSM and am just getting everybuddy - so i'll give them a go. Cheers. Another question: For downloading in windows i was using Get Right which was able to queue up and pause downloads etc and would reconnect automatically when my ISP cuts me off after 2 hours - is there anything similar that is available for linux? Thanks again! Matt On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 21:22, Mark Evans wrote: On Friday 31 May 2002 12:37 am, you wrote: Does anybody know which (if any) instant messengers are compatible with MSM Messenger on Linux? Seeing as most people still use windows, it would be useful to have something that is. cheers Matt Hi Matt I use Gaim for MSN. One thing about Gaim that I found, was that others arn't aware you are on-line Mark Evans Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ATI vs. Nvidia drivers [OT]
I forgot to mention that I frame this discussion in light of the currently available ATI (open source drivers) and Nvidia (closed sourced drivers). I myself have one Nvidia card. It works very well using the binary-only drivers. The only issue that I have is that on my particular system, it takes 1 minute to load X when I load it with the Nvidia supplied driver. Just a quirk. Small but annoying. I would love to be able to fix it by helping debug the issue. Needless to say Nvidia is not exactly very interested or polite about trying to resolve the issue. - Paul Rodriguez Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Power Pack 8.2 question
On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 07:01, mike wrote: I just purchased the Mandrake Power Pack Edition 8.2 yesterday and finished the install. It seems that there are some things missing from the install I had previously used the download edition of 8.2. I noticed that Kpackage is not installed with the power pack edition. There are also other programs that were included with the download edition that I can't find on the power pack edition, like qcad. What's going on here! Am I missing something? I thought that the power pack edition that I PAID $69.00 us for would have everything the download edition has and then some... Has anyone else had this problem or are my 7 cd's defective? How do I get Kpackage onto my box, I searched the cd's and can't find it anywhere I am new to this mailing list so I may have missed prior discussions (if there were any) regarding this problem. Did I get ripped off? I sure hope not. Mike Mike, Yes, there were lots of prior discussions and yes, it seems that there are 300+ RPMs missing. A couple of other examples: hdparm and kdebase-nsplugins. Someone did a complete inventory by generating full listings of both and writing a script to spot list entries in the download set that were not in the powerpack set. As said above, the number was 300. Now PLEASE guys - let's not start another round of Are you sure it's not just the software manager not providing the full list?. Before you write such a reply, check the archives and save some bandwidth. Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Power Pack 8.2 question
On Thursday 30 May 2002 02:01 pm, mike did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: It seems that there are some things missing from the install I had there have been posts about that in some places, i myself have a download/club membership so i can't say, but it does appear at least some cd's shipped under the quality control radar... Has anyone else had this problem or are my 7 cd's defective? How do I get Kpackage onto my box, I searched the cd's and can't find it anywhere I am new to this mailing list so I may have missed prior discussions (if there were any) regarding this problem. if you still have the download cd's ou can simply browse them and add packages at will. you can also likely find them on rpmfind.net failing that they will be on the mandrake ftp mirrors. -- True friendship is like pain, explaining it is impossible. shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
