Re: [newbie-it] pgp in chiaro [era Appuntilinux]

2003-01-26 Per discussione syd
* miKe wrote:
 
 mi metto a cercare il motivo...

Dal manuale di mutt

  pgp_clearsign_command

  Type: string
  Default: 

  This format is used to create a clearsigned old-style PGP
  attachment.  Note that the use of this format is strongly deprecated.

Chi non fa uso della crittografia non ha la possibilita' di decifrare
l'algoritmo e quindi gli tocca sorbirsi il geroglifico che incornicia il
messaggio; potrebbe essere questo il motivo della raccomandazione?
Mahh.. perche' no.

 forse eri in ferie,
 un pò di tempo addietro, l'antivirus di qualcuno ha identificato 
 la tua firma come un codice maligno...
 
 chissà cosa ci fai passare per firma...
 ;-P

Ehh si', ero in ferie; cosa mi tocca sentire.. povero me ;-(. Permettimi
di dire comunque che in circolazione ci sono antivirus e.. antivirus e
che in ogni caso non tutti ne fanno un uso corretto. Vabbe', ognuno
corre i rischi che si sceglie.. io mi son scelto quello di non essere
letto da qualcuno e sono in ogni caso pronto a cambiare strategia se ne
vale la pena.  

 mmm
 mi costringi a usare mutt..
 
;-)))

 beh, davanti a quell'abbondanza avrei (quasi) accettato di 
 provare ixxpì...
 ;PP

Ma io lo so quanto e' grande quel tuo _quasi_!!

 dimmi solo se supporta il colore come pine e lo provo!

Ma certo che supporta il colore, anzi se non ti limiti rischi di fare un
Van Gogh. E pine lo supporta lo sfondo trasparente?
E le firme digitali le _importa_ e decodifica al volo senza toccare nessun
tasto? Dai mike, lo sai anche tu che l'alto livello di personalizzazione
e' _uno_ dei pezzi forti di mutt.
Indipendentemente da tutto sarei contento se tu provassi mutt per un
semplice motivo: avrei (e non solo io) un punto di riferimento fidato e 
competente a cui rivolgermi per alcuni dettagli da affinare nella sua
configurazione. Per ora ho trovato soddisfazione solo sulla lista di
debian.org dove un gruppetto di maleintenzionati (zappagalattica e'
naturalmente tra quelli) si da parecchio da fare.

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Re: [newbie-it] installazione da rete

2003-01-26 Per discussione Andrea Cecagallina
At 17.35 25/01/2003 +0100, you wrote:

- - Il portatile e`  vecchio di 6 anni e non ha il lettore CD neanche
esterno, come e cosa devo fare per fargli cercare di fare il boot da
remoto?( userei un altro portatile con Linux installato per fargli
vedere i CD d'installazione)
- - Lei ha bisogno di usare Word e quindi ha necessita` di Open Office,
che risorse minimi richiede? Nel suo caso e` meglio OO 1.0 o Star
Office 5.2? Girera`? Tenete conto che il problema principale di questo
computer e` di avere solo 500MByte di HD!


Ho lo stesso problema con un vecchissimo portatil Texas Instrument 
recuperatpo dal cestino della spazzatura... :)

Lo vorrei dare a mia cugina per la sua tesi.

Ho preso in edicola una rivista (della quale non ricordo il nome... E' 
quella con il libro di Gimp in allegato..)
All'interno c'è un articolo che parla delle minidistribuzioni, che 
sarebbero poi quello che sia io che te stiamo cercando

Se non vuoi prendere la rivista dimmelo che ti passo i link.

Ciao
Andrea 





Re: [newbie-it] Problemi scheda audio

2003-01-26 Per discussione Eraser Head
On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, miKe wrote:

 mandaci il risultato di #lsmod

Module  Size  Used byTainted: GF 
isofs  25792   0  (autoclean)
inflate_fs 19328   0  (autoclean) [isofs]
sr_mod 15160   0  (autoclean)
tdfx   34008   1 
agpgart31552   0  (autoclean) (unused)
vmnet  22848   6 
vmmon  20436   0  (unused)
via82cxxx_audio18144   1 
uart401 6336   0  [via82cxxx_audio]
ac97_codec  9568   0  [via82cxxx_audio]
sound  57292   0  [via82cxxx_audio uart401]
soundcore   4068   4  [via82cxxx_audio sound]
lp  6464   0 
parport_pc 22088   1 
parport23968   1  [lp parport_pc]
af_packet  12488   1  (autoclean)
usb-uhci   21668   0  (unused)
usb-ohci   19072   0  (unused)
usbcore59072   1  [usb-uhci usb-ohci]
3c59x  25928   1  (autoclean)
nls_cp850   3584   2  (autoclean)
vfat9788   2  (autoclean)
fat31384   0  (autoclean) [vfat]
supermount 62180   4  (autoclean)
nls_iso8859-1   2816   3  (autoclean)
ntfs   51744   1  (autoclean)
rtc 5912   0  (autoclean)
ext3   62092   4 
jbd39356   4  [ext3]
aic7xxx   114676   0 
sd_mod 11512   1 
scsi_mod   93244   3  [sr_mod aic7xxx sd_mod]


 
 credo che essendo stata riconosciuta la scheda,
 tu possa avere un /etc/modules.conf aggiornato,
 vediamolo un attimo

alias usb-interface usb-ohci
probeall scsi_hostadapter aic7xxx
alias eth0 3c59x
alias scsi_hostadapter aic7xxx
alias sound-slot-0 via82cxxx_audio
alias usb-interface1 usb-uhci
alias usb-interface2 usb-uhci


 infine, prova a fare un caricamento manuale,
 in genere le via integrate, funzionano,
 ma non tutti i modelli sono supportati dal modulo via82cxxx
 
 #modprobe via82cxxx

[root@atropo spirite]# modprobe via82cxxx
modprobe: Can't locate module via82cxxx

Provando invece:

[root@atropo spirite]# modprobe via82cxxx_audio
[root@atropo spirite]#

Ho provato l'audio, ma ora xmms mi dice:
Couldn't open audio. Please check that:
1. you have the correct audio plugin selected
2. no other programs is blocking the soundcard
3. your soundcard is configured properly

Però non ho programmi aperti che potrebbero bloccare la soundcard...

Naturalmente, il mixer l'ho controllato.

Invece draksound e harddrake2 non li ho. Fanno forse parte della 
Mandrake 9.0? Nel caso, dite che mi si incasina tutto se aggiorno solo il 
pacchetto relativo (che immagino sia il drakconf)?

Spero sappiate aiutarmi...
Grazie,

   Chiara


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Re: [newbie-it] scheda video ATI Rage 128 Pro

2003-01-26 Per discussione Fabio Manunza
Alle 16:57, sabato 25 gennaio 2003, Giorgio Griffon ha scritto:
  Ho la stessa scheda, ed anch'io ho riscontrato questi problemi, che poi,
  all'atto pratico, sono di nessun conto.
  La 9.0 riconosce perfettamente la scheda; prendi in considerazione l'idea
  di upgradare il sistema.
  Vale.

 E' una ragione in più per fare il passaggio.
 Mmmmhhh... ora che ci penso? Qualche suggerimento per passare a mdk 9 senza
 reinstallare tutto quanto da zero?
 Grazie, ciao
Giorgio

C'è la upgrade, ma da quanto ho visto, tenuto conto delle Qt3 ed altre cosucce 
che creano uno scarto di continuità rispetto al passato, ti consiglio di fare 
lo sforzo.
Vale.

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Re: [newbie-it] Xvidtune

2003-01-26 Per discussione LukenShiro
On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, Luigi wrote:
 non riesco a capire come funziona xvidtune
 se per esempio volessi impostare i seguenti valori per il monitor, come
 dovrei agire?
 freq. horiz. 46,9 khz
 freq. vert.  75,1 hz

 Premettendo che e' potenzialmente pericoloso e che bisogna essere sicuri
che lo schermo supporti una certa frequenza ad una determinata
risoluzione, per modificare la frequenza di refresh orizzontale e
verticale ti basta premere i pulsanti per allargare/restringere e
allungare/accorciare lo schermo. Prima di applicarli provali con 'test'
 Con tutta probabilita' l'immagine risultera' sballata e in parte non
visibile, in tal caso ti bastera' ripremere i pulsanti dimensionali fino a
quando non trovi una posizione soddisfacente.
 AFAIK l'impostazione fatta con xvidtune dura fino al successivo riavvio
del server X, quindi per avere un'applicazione permanente penso che sia
necessario inserire una riga di ModeLine nella sezione Monitor in
/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (quella che ti appare con il pulsante 'show' nel
terminale di testo da cui hai avviato xvidtune).
 Dai un'occhiata anche a:
http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl anche se e' abbastanza
criptico ...

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Re: [newbie-it] scheda video ATI Rage 128 Pro

2003-01-26 Per discussione LukenShiro
On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, Giorgio Griffon wrote:
 E' una ragione in più per fare il passaggio.
 Mmmmhhh... ora che ci penso? Qualche suggerimento per passare a mdk 9 senza
 reinstallare tutto quanto da zero?

 Neanche a farlo apposta, l'altro ieri ho fatto l'upgrade alla MDK 9.0 sul
computer che usa mia sorella, con l'opzione Aggiornamento pacchetti ed
e' andato tutto liscio (la modalita' di upgrade normale segnalava invece
errori misteriosi su gcc-3.2x e kernel ... mah ...).
 Eventualmente di qualche file di configurazione critico (o che necessita
di diverso tempo per essere messo a punto) ti converrebbe fare una copia.

P.S.: resto cmq sempre perplesso quando vedo che le dipendenze, ancora una
volta, sono state fatte col @#$%!. P.es. che c'entrano MySQL e postgreSQL
con le librerie qt3 lo sanno solo loro ... va be' :S

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Re: [newbie-it] è possibile il boot da zip parallelo?

2003-01-26 Per discussione LukenShiro
On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, carmine de pasquale wrote:
 vorrei configurare lilo (o grub) per far partire il sistema da iomega
 zip parallelo.  dal mandrake control center, se provo ad aggiungere la
 riga indicando come partizione di boot /dev/sda, mi dà un errore e si
 rifiuta di salvare la riga. è possibile fare una cosa del genere in
 altro modo, o sto solo sprecando tempo?

Premetto che non so come funziona quindi non posso essere piu' preciso, ma
se provassi a modificare a mano /etc/lilo.conf o /boot/grub/menu.lst
inserendo una serie di righe sul modello di quelle gia' presenti (nel caso
di lilo, dando 'lilo -v', ovviamente)? non e' che e' necessario un numero
dopo /dev/sda come root? e indicando come immagine /dev/sdaX/nome_img ?
Prova ...

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[newbie-it] Capability list

2003-01-26 Per discussione Santarella Benedetto
Cos'e' una capability list???
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Re: [newbie-it] linux ripristinato perfettamente (spero, ma non vi auguro, possa servirve a qualcuno)

2003-01-26 Per discussione miKe
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Alle 04:45, domenica 26 gennaio 2003, carmine de pasquale ha 
scritto:
 grazie a mike e a chi ha sviluppato la iso di partimage
 (scaricata in 31'12 in isdn 64) ho potuto fare un hardbackup
 (non file per file, ma cluster per cluster) backup della
 partizione linux, 

tutto è bene...
;)

 piccolo bug, ho detto
 di salvare su /mnt/lin.gz, ma ha salvato come lin.gz.000, il
 che mi ha fatto venire una piccola crisi di panico.

è normale
partimage cerca di dividere su n dischi,
raramente entra tutto in un cdrom

 panico quando al riavvio anzichè il lilo ho visto una serie
 infinita di 99 sullo schermo che scrollavano allegramente;

il mbr non viene salvato, e comunque con i cambiamenti della 
tabella delle partizioni, lilo non sarebbe partito comunque,
l'unica cosa è reinstallare il loader


 resta il problema del doppio avvio del KDE (dopo il boot si
 blocca il pennello), ma credo sia un bug di xinerama; con un
 sol monitor non lo fa

hai i log di xfree e di kdm?

a me xinerama e kde davano problemi con le impostazioni
con un solo monitor potevo modificare, con 2 ad ogni riavvio 
avevo tutto da default,
non ho indagato avendo messo il secondo monitor sul portatile...
 

bye

miKe

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Re: [newbie-it] pgp in chiaro [era Appuntilinux]

2003-01-26 Per discussione miKe
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Alle 10:46, domenica 26 gennaio 2003, syd ha scritto:

 Dal manuale di mutt

   pgp_clearsign_command


   This format is used to create a clearsigned old-style PGP
   attachment.  Note that the use of this format is strongly
 deprecated.


 Chi non fa uso della crittografia non ha la possibilita' di
 decifrare l'algoritmo e quindi gli tocca sorbirsi il
 geroglifico che incornicia il messaggio; potrebbe essere
 questo il motivo della raccomandazione? Mahh.. perche' no.

molto probabile...
non vedo motivi di sicurezza o altro...
e non me ne vengono in mente altri

  chissà cosa ci fai passare per firma...
  ;-P

 Ehh si', ero in ferie; cosa mi tocca sentire.. povero me ;-(.

era su un'altra lista, comunque

  beh, davanti a quell'abbondanza avrei (quasi) accettato di
  provare ixxpì...
  ;PP

 Ma io lo so quanto e' grande quel tuo _quasi_!!

he he
molto, molto

  dimmi solo se supporta il colore come pine e lo provo!

 Ma certo che supporta il colore, anzi se non ti limiti rischi
 di fare un Van Gogh. E pine lo supporta lo sfondo trasparente?

si, si
se vuoi vedere che accozzaglia cromatica ho sul server...

lo uso senza x comunque, 
i colori sono _basilari_ ..
;)

 E le firme digitali le _importa_ e decodifica al volo senza
 toccare nessun tasto? Dai mike, lo sai anche tu che l'alto
 livello di personalizzazione e' _uno_ dei pezzi forti di mutt.

ok, ok...

 Indipendentemente da tutto sarei contento se tu provassi mutt
 per un semplice motivo: avrei (e non solo io) un punto di
 riferimento fidato e competente a cui rivolgermi per alcuni
 dettagli da affinare nella sua configurazione.

ah parakulen..
(troppo buono, non lo conosco quindi le info le chiederò io a 
te!!)

 Per ora ho
 trovato soddisfazione solo sulla lista di debian.org dove un
 gruppetto di maleintenzionati (zappagalattica e' naturalmente
 tra quelli) si da parecchio da fare.

Ferdinando è un patitone di mutt,
ok, lunedi sono in ufficio, e me lo compilo

se ho problemi ti tartasso... 

bye

miKe

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Re: [newbie-it] ragazzi siete dei maghi pero'...

2003-01-26 Per discussione Arwan
Alle Sunday 26 January 2003 03:36, a proposito di Re: [newbie-it] ragazzi 
siete dei maghi pero'... (e chissa' a cosa pensava veramente), carmine de 
pasquale ha scritto: 

 non so tu, ma io ricomincerei daccapo cominciando dal montaggio della
 tastiera...

Ci avevo pensato come ultima risorsa, e l'ho fatto. Solo che stavolta 
azzerando il bios la scheda madre non mi ha dato schermo nero; ho comunque 
provato a staccare la CPU, riaccendere e spegnere, riattaccare la CPU, sempre 
a tastiera collegata. Nisba: non la vede ancora.
Qualche idea?

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Re: [newbie-it] installazione da rete

2003-01-26 Per discussione luigi pinna
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On Sunday 26 January 2003 13:21, you wrote:

 Ho lo stesso problema con un vecchissimo portatil Texas Instrument
 recuperatpo dal cestino della spazzatura... :)

 Lo vorrei dare a mia cugina per la sua tesi

 Ho preso in edicola una rivista (della quale non ricordo il nome...
 E' quella con il libro di Gimp in allegato..)
 All'interno c'è un articolo che parla delle minidistribuzioni, che
 sarebbero poi quello che sia io che te stiamo cercando...

 Se non vuoi prendere la rivista dimmelo che ti passo i link

 Ciao
 Andrea

Mi farebbero comodo i link dato che ora sono in Germania... 
L'unico obbligo e` di riuscire ad installare Open Office perche' la mia 
amica e` costretta ad usare word( il suo prof le manda file in .doc!), 
per il resto qualsiasi distribuzione che resusciti il computer va piu` 
che bene!
Grazie!

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Re: [newbie-it] è possibile il boot da zip parallelo?

2003-01-26 Per discussione carmine de pasquale

- Original Message -
From: LukenShiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie-it] è possibile il boot da zip parallelo?


Premetto che non so come funziona quindi non posso essere piu' preciso

fanziona in emulazione scsi da porta parallela, quindi suppongo che
debba caricare un driver prima del boot.






Re: [newbie-it] linux ripristinato perfettamente (spero, ma non vi auguro, possa servirve a qualcuno)

2003-01-26 Per discussione freefred
On Sunday 26 January 2003 4:45 am, carmine de pasquale wrote about [newbie-it] 
linux ripristinato perfettamente (spero, ma non vi auguro, possa servirve a 
qualcuno):

 ho quindi preso il cd 1 di mandrake, istallato in modalità esperto, dando
 annulla alle opzioni di config di mouse, tastiera, formatta, rete, serverx;
 istallato 1 sol pacchetto a caso 

La prossima volta ti basta (e' giusto anche quello che hai fatto tu
ma e' piu' lento) mettere il cd1 e scrivere rescue.
Ti appare un menu e tra le opzioni c'e'
ripristina il boot loader
(sia di linux che di win)

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Re: [newbie-it] un altro [ot] informatico

2003-01-26 Per discussione Arwan
Alle Sunday 26 January 2003 12:42, a proposito di Re: [newbie-it] un altro 
[ot] informatico (e chissa' a cosa pensava veramente), Pollo ha scritto: 

 Io sto cercando proprio dei pc per fare dei corsi di informatica
 all'oratorio del mi paese, e insegnare a ragazzi e non che non esiste
 solo windows. Io sono del Novarese. Se sei in zona...

Forse riesco a piazzare qui il PC che ho per le mani, in caso cmq io sono di 
Venezia, ma mi capita spesso di girare per il Piacentino o il Milanese. E' 
ancora troppo distante?

  I miei colleghi mi prendono in giro per questa mia idea: ma vivo proprio
  cosi' fuori dal mondo?

 Io penso che un po di altruismo faccia sempre bene!

Gia', tanto piu' che non costa nulla! :-)
Solo lo sforzo di cercare un po'...

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Re: [newbie-it] linux ripristinato perfettamente (spero, ma non vi auguro, possa servirve a qualcuno)

2003-01-26 Per discussione carmine de pasquale

- Original Message -
From: freefred [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie-it] linux ripristinato perfettamente (spero, ma non
vi auguro, possa servirve a qualcuno)


On Sunday 26 January 2003 4:45 am, carmine de pasquale wrote about
[newbie-it]
linux ripristinato perfettamente (spero, ma non vi auguro, possa
servirve a
qualcuno):

 ho quindi preso il cd 1 di mandrake, istallato in modalità esperto,
dando
 annulla alle opzioni di config di mouse, tastiera, formatta, rete,
serverx;
 istallato 1 sol pacchetto a caso

La prossima volta ti basta (e' giusto anche quello che hai fatto tu
ma e' piu' lento) mettere il cd1 e scrivere rescue.
Ti appare un menu e tra le opzioni c'e'
ripristina il boot loader
(sia di linux che di win)

bye

non era solo il bootloader, c'era un kernel panic che si è risolto.
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Re: [newbie-it] è possibile il boot da zip parallelo?

2003-01-26 Per discussione miKe
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Alle 17:43, domenica 26 gennaio 2003, carmine de pasquale ha
scritto:

 fanziona in emulazione scsi da porta parallela, quindi
 suppongo che debba caricare un driver prima del boot.

ho paura che  ti serva un bios che supporti il
boot da zip
ho alcune schede madri che lo riportano tra le voci

altrimenti serve un floppy di boot che poi passa la palla allo
zip

bye

miKe

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Re: [newbie-it] è possibile il boot da zip parallelo?

2003-01-26 Per discussione carmine de pasquale
Alle 23:16, domenica 26 gennaio 2003, miKe ha scritto:
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 Alle 17:43, domenica 26 gennaio 2003, carmine de pasquale ha

 scritto:
  fanziona in emulazione scsi da porta parallela, quindi
  suppongo che debba caricare un driver prima del boot.

 ho paura che  ti serva un bios che supporti il
 boot da zip
 ho alcune schede madri che lo riportano tra le voci

anche la mia, ma vale solo per zip ide

 altrimenti serve un floppy di boot che poi passa la palla allo
zip


 bye

 miKe

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[newbie] cups problems

2003-01-26 Per discussione Colin Jenkins
I have 2 linux boxes (mdk9) both using 2 printers on an NT box.
on one box, trying to delete a print job with cups, no problems, on the other box, I 
get 'client-error-forbidden'. (even when logged on as root)
I am also unable to delete some non-existant printers from both machines, they appear 
to delete, but when I reload, they are back again.
anyone got any ideas (relevant of course) :)

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Re: [newbie] MPEG2 to .AVI conversion

2003-01-26 Per discussione John Richard Smith
Ralph Slooten wrote:

On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 22:44:22 +
John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



What if the mpeg2 is a large .mpg file on the haddrive.
What sort of command line would achieve conversion to .avi in mencoder
?




Hiya John,

Well, again you would need to know the bitrate required to get your
final size (divxcalc for example). Then you would rip it just like you
would a DVD, but instead of mencoder-dvd 1 options, you would
mencoder mpeg_file options... nothing different ;-)


Greetings
Ralph


Hi Ralph,

Yes I thought so too, but the case I exampled is a large .mpg file
derived from a
uk terrestrial digital tv box . These devices have the facility to store
the tv output
onto your hard drive via a usb connection, admittadly in windblows with
the aid of a
piece of software, but it acts like a TV card programme.The file is then
accessed in the
usual linux/windblows fstab setup and processed.

I tried something like ,
mencoder  pathtosource file -ovc lavc -lavcopts
vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:vbitrate=633 -oac mp3lame -lameopts br=96:cbr -o film.avi

but all it did was complain something about mp3lamecodec or something
not accessable.
I guess the options are wrong. or else it does not like the pathtosource
in that position.

Any thoughts.

John

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Re: [newbie] MPEG2 to .AVI conversion

2003-01-26 Per discussione Ralph Slooten
On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:37:02 +
John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Ralph,
 
 Yes I thought so too, but the case I exampled is a large .mpg file
 derived from a
 uk terrestrial digital tv box .

How big is ths file? There is always the problem with large files, and
mplayer can be compiled with --enable-largefiles to enable
file-support for over 2 gigs. I didn't find any config options for lame,
so this may be mplayer-dependent or something.

 These devices have the facility to
 store the tv output
 onto your hard drive via a usb connection, admittadly in windblows
 with the aid of a
 piece of software, but it acts like a TV card programme.The file is
 then accessed in the
 usual linux/windblows fstab setup and processed.
 
 I tried something like ,
 mencoder  pathtosource file -ovc lavc -lavcopts
 vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:vbitrate=633 -oac mp3lame -lameopts br=96:cbr -o
 film.avi

This seems right here, so I would think your mpeg file is over 2 Gigs?

 but all it did was complain something about mp3lamecodec or something
 not accessable.
 I guess the options are wrong. or else it does not like the
 pathtosource in that position.
 
 Any thoughts.

Well, just see how big that mpeg is, and if I'm right, just recompile
your mplayer with the --enable-largefiles, and you should be set (I
believe) :-)

Greetings
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Re: [newbie] Moving to HTTPS

2003-01-26 Per discussione Sharrea
On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:17, Stefano Pogliani wrote:
 What should I do to start using HTTPS **in addition to** HTTP on my site
 ?
 I installed SquirrelMail in order to access to my mails from everywhere.
 But would like to do it in a secure way.
 So, I installed mod_ssl.
 In Konqueror, when using HTTPS, it issues some alert but allows me to
 continue. In Mozilla, this does not happen (I am not able to access my
 site using HTTPS).

 I had a quick look at the certificate and it speaks about something for
 testing only.

 Could someone point me to some HowTo or complete description of the
 process I should follow ?

 Thanks a lot in advance. Best regards

 /stefano

You'll find the instructions for creating your own server certificate at 
http://www.apache-ssl.org/#FAQ
under Now I've got my server installed, how do I create a test 
certificate?

I tried restarting apache with
# apachectl graceful
and then opening my browser but it didn't work and I had to reboot - then 
all was well.  I'm sure there is something else to restart to avoid 
rebooting but I don't know what - hopefully someone else can tell us?  HTH

Cheers
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[newbie] Making own screensaver ?

2003-01-26 Per discussione Rifza Adriansyah
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I have some pictures ( jpg,bmp  png files ). In M$ Windows, I can 
create a screensaver with tool like 1st Screensaver Builder 1.0 
(www.1stsb.com). Could I create a screensaver in linux without having 
programming skill ?. If we need programming language to build 
screensavers, what is the language ?.
TIA.
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Re: [newbie] cups problems

2003-01-26 Per discussione Anne Wilson
On Sunday 26 Jan 2003 8:36 am, Colin Jenkins wrote:
 I have 2 linux boxes (mdk9) both using 2 printers on an NT box.
 on one box, trying to delete a print job with cups, no problems, on the
 other box, I get 'client-error-forbidden'. (even when logged on as root) I
 am also unable to delete some non-existant printers from both machines,
 they appear to delete, but when I reload, they are back again. anyone got
 any ideas (relevant of course) :)

I've had that often in the past.  First reaction is to thrash about ;)  
However, IIRC the solution was to logout and login again - presumably it does 
some cleanup - after which they can be deleted.  I'm not sure, though, 
whether I deleted in the cups admin program or KLpq - I think it would be the 
cups admin program.

HTH

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Re: [newbie] OT Hardware weirdness 2

2003-01-26 Per discussione Marc
1/26/03 1:46:32 AM, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In reply to Stephen's mail, d.d. 26 Jan 2003 12:21:17 +1100:


What if there is a mercury switch in either the PSU or somewhere 
within
the casing itself that would cause this?

I have been thinking about this also, but I have not been able to 
find a
switch like that. More and more I feel that this is a faulty
contact/connector or something. I booted from a floppy and 
carefully started
fiddling with the power cables to try and track a broken/nearly 
broken one.
No luck there either.
(Uptime now, PC still on the side, is 11.33 hours...)

Paul

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   Here is a old trick that has been used for troubleshooting this 
type of problem since the dawn of time, long before PCs since just 
after the invention of the printed circuit board almost 
prehistoric. 
   Get your self a brand new pencil with a big new pink eraser.
Next just to be on the safe side wrap the metal cylinder that 
holds the eraser on the pencel with a wrap or 2 of electrical 
tape. Now you can use the eraser end of the pencil as a safe and 
effective probe It will be well insulated to avoid damage to 
components and the insulation will also protect you if the pencil 
should contact anything that is high voltage. The rubber eraser is 
also a great NON SLIP surface to probe components with and the 
pencil is thin enough to reach into tight spaces. use it to reach 
inside the machine while it is running and wiggle various parts 
and points near plug in connectors. Try to use the eraser to 
gently push down on parts to simulate the down ward force thet 
gravity would create while the machine is on its side and see 
where you have to push to make it work or lay the machine on its 
side and support it however necessory to alow you to gently push 
on parts and see where you need to push to make it stop running.
  This should help to pinpoint the problem. You may find that it 
is not a bad connection or intermittent short but a cracked 
circuit trace on a board, a pain in the butt to repair if that 
ends up being the case.
   Another use for the pencil eraser is if you find a suspect 
connector you can use the eraser to clean contacts to remove 
oxides or dirt that can cause this type of problem. The eraser is 
mildley abrasive and will pollish up and clean edge connectors on 
a circuit board fast and easy.

Good luck, these intermittant problems can be a mind bender.
 Marc

   Gee this was fun I think that now I may write a book and call 
it A Thousand And One Uses For The Number Two Pencil, I am shure 
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[newbie] Re:Back to Basics

2003-01-26 Per discussione Graham Pohle
After beating my head against a brick wall for quite some time now, I've
realised that I have to go back to basics to fully understand the
concepts and mechanics of the Computer and how the various Operating
Systems communicate with the hardware and then I might be able to learn
the various languages  programs that control the processes that I'm
trying to understand.
I've always been a person that wants the quick fix, I wanted to operate
this linux OS straight away, but it just doesn't happen like that. To
fully understand linux or any operating system for that matter, I
believe that you have to understand how the Computer in it's entirety
works.
I didn't even know that for any program to run, it first has to be in
the systems memory and I'm learning lots of new stuff every day. Some of
it is really boring, but I think I'm going to be better off in the long
run instead of trying to take the quick way or short cut around things.
If this is going to close down, I'll be around on some other linux
board,but by then I'll probably have a handle.(Maybe)
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Re: [newbie] Re:Back to Basics

2003-01-26 Per discussione et
I think asking questions here is about the best way to learn what ever you 
don't know about computers and OSs, no question too dumb to be answered by 
more questions.
I would stay right here, and if one day we disappear (heaven forbid) instead 
of debian or RH (they seem, to me anyway, to be not as tolerant of neophytes 
as we are here) consider yopa. it is a new distro for th desktop, and while I 
have not yet had a chance to check it out, it comes highly recomended by 
folks I have learned to trust. On this list, I think it was YAMA, Sridhar 
Dhanapalani, that thought this was a good distro, and every other bit of 
advice he gave was right on the money.

On Sunday 26 January 2003 06:18 pm, Graham Pohle wrote:
 After beating my head against a brick wall for quite some time now, I've
 realised that I have to go back to basics to fully understand the
 concepts and mechanics of the Computer and how the various Operating
 Systems communicate with the hardware and then I might be able to learn
 the various languages  programs that control the processes that I'm
 trying to understand.
 I've always been a person that wants the quick fix, I wanted to operate
 this linux OS straight away, but it just doesn't happen like that. To
 fully understand linux or any operating system for that matter, I
 believe that you have to understand how the Computer in it's entirety
 works.
 I didn't even know that for any program to run, it first has to be in
 the systems memory and I'm learning lots of new stuff every day. Some of
 it is really boring, but I think I'm going to be better off in the long
 run instead of trying to take the quick way or short cut around things.
 If this is going to close down, I'll be around on some other linux
 board,but by then I'll probably have a handle.(Maybe)
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Re: [newbie] OT Hardware weirdness 2

2003-01-26 Per discussione et
On Sunday 26 January 2003 02:43 am, Paul wrote:
 In reply to g's mail, d.d. Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:56:31 +:
 knowledge of your back broke desktop/tower contents would be helpful.
 
 if it is still running, i would suggest 3 possible problems to go after
 first.
 
 #1 = power supply:
  does fan stop?

 No, it keeps going.

  do you lose all voltages?

 No. There is still power on the mainboard led and the leds of the network
 cards.

 #2 = heat:
  are you testing with covers on or off?

 Both. Same result.

  do you have good air circulation?
  cpu have correct heat sink and fan?

 Yes and yes.

  is memory over heating?

 No, it is not. I cannot imagine that it does. I can leave the PC off for 2
 hours, which should be enough to cool off most parts. When I switch the PC
 on in the upright position (and refrain from smoking ;) it stops within 2
 minutes. The hybernate led starts blinking and that's it. Which really is
 weird, since I have the BIOS set to never go into hybernate.

  does mainboard have heat sensors?

 Yes, they both show on LM Sensors (through Gkrellm).
 The CPU (Athlon 1200) shows 78C (149F) and something else shows 29.2C
 (75.5F). I am not sure if I set the multiplier readings in Gkrellm
 correctly, but this is what I also could see (plus or minus a few degrees)
 when then machine was still upright. So no change there.

 #3 = harddisk:
  is drive new? if used, was it previously mounted flat or on side?

 The drives (2 x 30Gb ata100) came with the system. It is a little over 1.5
 years old now. The drives previously were mounted flat, now they are on the
 side.

  if drive is flat and stops, flip upside down, still run?
  if drive on side and stops, flip to other side, still run?
  if drive is flat and stops, turn to side, still run?
  if drive on side and stops, turn to flat, still run?

 I'd have to try these out sometime. I'll let you know. Thanks for the
 ideas.

 Paul

  think green...
 save a tree, save a life, save time, save bandwidth, save storage.
  send email...   text/plain - disable pgp/gpg/geek code attachments

 I like this!!!  :-)
I think it is time to upgrade the mother board. this sucker has a 
microscopic crack, or one of the mount screws that should be isolated is 
shorting that board to the box... can you take the MoBo out and set it on a 
wooden or plexiglass sheet (to insulate it) connect a power supply and video 
card and see it it boots, and if it does, pick the board up (use insulting 
gloves) and see if sitting sideways makes the difference.


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Re: [newbie] Re:Back to Basics

2003-01-26 Per discussione Aaron Mehl
Well I did the same but came back to the rpm way.

The problem is that everything is in a different place, has a different
name, there is way to much to learn before doing the simplest thing.

I also found that the debian community had a different mind set...

And the clincher is that hardware isn't always auto installed.

I had lots of usb troubles etc.

However the deb package rocks.

I was just spending way to much time fiddling with the os and very
little time getting anything useful done.
Aaron
 PS. Contemplating a move to debian...any comments?
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: RE: [newbie] Toshiba Laptop installation ?

2003-01-26 Per discussione Marc
 

1/24/03 11:06:53 AM, Adolfo Bello [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:



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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark 
Weaver
 Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:58 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] Toshiba Laptop installation ?
 
 
 H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
  On Wednesday 22 January 2003 21:05, Marc wrote:
  
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When it locks up I am unable to use the mouse and there is 
no
 hard drive activity and as of yet I have founnd no keyboard
 commands that work. The display stays frozen.and I am unable 
to do
 anything but a hard shutdown but then that goes back to the
 subject of the SysReq key.
Sorry I am late to this thread.

I had the same sort of problem in my Toshiba laptop and it turned 
out
to be the NIC driver.

Mandrake picked mine as eepro100. After I reset it to e100 my 
computer
started to work just fine.

HTH
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  Thanks for the help but I have sort of bypassed the problem for 
now, I have been sort of annoyed with the slow preformance of this 
laptop for a long time and right after the problems installing 
linux I ran accross a SUPER deal on a used IBM that runs well over 
twice as fast as the old toshiba but it has a much smaller hard 
drive so when it arrives I ( Tuesday afternoon ) I am going to do 
a HDD swap and try again on the new laptop. I will probably 
install the old toshiba in my business as a shipping computer 
where I will need winblows to run UPS world ship software. As soon 
as UPS comes out with software that will run in linux and or if I 
can get world ship to run in wine the battle may be on again.


Thanks 
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Re: [newbie] Toshiba laptop installation problems

2003-01-26 Per discussione Marc Oestreicher
On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:08:08 +
Benjamin Jeeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The L99 99 99 99 99 99 might be lilo or what you use as a boot manager
 Have you try http://www.linux-laptop.net to see if anyone has had this problem 
 to.
 


Thanks Ben
   It was the boot mananger, it was a easy fix.
 
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[newbie] ? Modem problem (still)

2003-01-26 Per discussione mbot
Hello newbie,

Sorry to bother you all again and again about this matter. But I'm
getting frustated to find the (right) driver to make my modem work.
Cos I really really really need to FULL MIGRATE to GNU/LINUX, and
totally forget Winblowz 

Now, I give you more info about my modem (so you can give me the more
accurate solution) :-)

PROPETIES OF MY MODEM (from Win98's Control Panel - Modem - Properties - Connection 
- Advance - View Log) :
01-25-2003 23:43:24.62 - Generic SoftK56 Data Fax in use.
01-25-2003 23:43:24.62 - Modem type: Generic SoftK56 Data Fax
01-25-2003 23:43:24.62 - Modem inf path: DCRCSTX.INF
01-25-2003 23:43:24.62 - Modem inf section: HSFModem1
01-25-2003 23:43:26.39 - 115200,N,8,1
01-25-2003 23:43:26.39 - 115200,N,8,1
01-25-2003 23:43:26.39 - Initializing modem.
01-25-2003 23:43:26.39 - Send: ATcr
01-25-2003 23:43:26.39 - Recv: ATcr
01-25-2003 23:43:26.39 - Recv: crlfOKcrlf
01-25-2003 23:43:26.39 - Interpreted response: Ok
01-25-2003 23:43:26.39 - Send: ATFE0V1S0=0C1D2+MR=2;+DR=1;+ER=1;W2cr
01-25-2003 23:43:26.54 - Recv: ATFE0V1S0=0C1D2+MR=2;+DR=1;+ER=1;W2cr
01-25-2003 23:43:26.54 - Recv: crlfOKcrlf
01-25-2003 23:43:26.54 - Interpreted response: Ok
01-25-2003 23:43:26.54 - Send: ATS7=60M1+ES=3,0,2;+DS=3;+IFC=2,2;X4cr
01-25-2003 23:43:26.54 - Recv: crlfOKcrlf
01-25-2003 23:43:26.54 - Interpreted response: Ok
01-25-2003 23:43:26.54 - Send: ATFXS11=40S28=0S27=32cr
01-25-2003 23:43:26.68 - Recv: crlfOKcrlf
01-25-2003 23:43:26.68 - Interpreted response: Ok
01-25-2003 23:43:26.70 - Dialing.
01-25-2003 23:43:26.70 - Send: ATDT;cr
01-25-2003 23:43:27.11 - Recv: ATDT;cr
01-25-2003 23:43:29.21 - Recv: crlfOKcrlf
01-25-2003 23:43:29.21 - Interpreted response: Ok
01-25-2003 23:43:29.24 - Dialing.
01-25-2003 23:43:29.24 - Send: ATDT##cr
01-25-2003 23:43:29.24 - Recv: ATDT716100cr
01-25-2003 23:43:40.05 - Hanging up the modem.
01-25-2003 23:43:40.05 - Send: cr
01-25-2003 23:43:40.05 - Recv: crlfNO CARRIERcrlf
01-25-2003 23:43:40.05 - Interpreted response: No Carrier
01-25-2003 23:43:40.05 - Send: ATHcr
01-25-2003 23:43:40.05 - Recv: ATHcr
01-25-2003 23:43:40.05 - Recv: crlfOKcrlf
01-25-2003 23:43:40.05 - Interpreted response: Ok
01-25-2003 23:43:40.05 - 115200,N,8,1
01-25-2003 23:43:41.28 - Session Statistics:
01-25-2003 23:43:41.28 -Reads : 113 bytes
01-25-2003 23:43:41.28 -Writes: 124 bytes
01-25-2003 23:43:41.28 - Generic SoftK56 Data Fax closed.
01-25-2003 23:43:50.33 - Generic SoftK56 Data Fax in use.
01-25-2003 23:43:50.33 - Modem type: Generic SoftK56 Data Fax
01-25-2003 23:43:50.33 - Modem inf path: DCRCSTX.INF
01-25-2003 23:43:50.33 - Modem inf section: HSFModem1
01-25-2003 23:43:50.70 - 115200,N,8,1
01-25-2003 23:43:50.71 - 115200,N,8,1
01-25-2003 23:43:50.71 - Initializing modem.
01-25-2003 23:43:50.71 - Send: ATcr
01-25-2003 23:43:50.71 - Recv: ATcr
01-25-2003 23:43:50.71 - Recv: crlfOKcrlf
01-25-2003 23:43:50.71 - Interpreted response: Ok
01-25-2003 23:43:50.71 - Send: ATFE0V1S0=0C1D2+MR=2;+DR=1;+ER=1;W2cr
01-25-2003 23:43:50.85 - Recv: ATFE0V1S0=0C1D2+MR=2;+DR=1;+ER=1;W2cr
01-25-2003 23:43:50.85 - Recv: crlfOKcrlf
01-25-2003 23:43:50.85 - Interpreted response: Ok
01-25-2003 23:43:50.85 - Send: ATS7=60M1+ES=3,0,2;+DS=3;+IFC=2,2;X4cr
01-25-2003 23:43:50.85 - Recv: crlfOKcrlf
01-25-2003 23:43:50.85 - Interpreted response: Ok
01-25-2003 23:43:50.85 - Send: ATFXS11=40S28=0S27=32cr
01-25-2003 23:43:51.00 - Recv: crlfOKcrlf
01-25-2003 23:43:51.00 - Interpreted response: Ok
01-25-2003 23:43:51.00 - Dialing.
01-25-2003 23:43:51.00 - Send: ATDT;cr
01-25-2003 23:43:51.10 - Recv: ATDT;cr
01-25-2003 23:43:53.20 - Recv: crlfOKcrlf
01-25-2003 23:43:53.20 - Interpreted response: Ok
01-25-2003 23:43:53.20 - Dialing.
01-25-2003 23:43:53.20 - Send: ATDT##cr
01-25-2003 23:43:53.20 - Recv: ATDT716100cr
01-25-2003 23:44:30.30 - Recv: crlfCONNECTcrlf
01-25-2003 23:44:30.30 - Interpreted response: Connect
01-25-2003 23:44:30.30 - Connection established at 115200bps.
01-25-2003 23:44:30.30 - Error-control off or unknown.
01-25-2003 23:44:30.30 - Data compression off or unknown.

MY LINUX : 2.4.19_16mdk-1mdk.i686.rpm

Please, with all do respect, don't say that I have to go to winmodem or linmodem to 
get the
driver. Cos I did, and had donwload some DRIVERS as folows:
1. hsflinmodem-5.03.27mbsibeta02122600.1.i386.rpm
2. hsflinmodem-5.03.27mbsibeta02122600k.2.4.19 16mdk-1mdk.i586.rpm
3. ltmodem-kv 2.4.19 16mdk-8.22a5-1.i586.rpm
4. ltmodem-kv_2.4.19_16mdk-8.26a9-1.i586.rpm
5. riptide-0.4mbsibeta02122500k2.4.19_16mdk-1mdk.i586.rpm
6. PCI_56K_V2_K2.2.17.tar
... but the problem remains the same :-( .

Once again, help me please. Cos I'm totally blind about this wonderful
OS. And in advance ... thank's a lot, Guys!

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Re: [newbie] OT Hardware weirdness 2

2003-01-26 Per discussione Tom Brinkman
On Sunday January 26 2003 01:43 am, Paul wrote:

 Yes, they both show on LM Sensors (through Gkrellm).
 The CPU (Athlon 1200) shows 78C (149F) and something else shows
 29.2C (75.5F). I am not sure if I set the multiplier readings in
 Gkrellm correctly, but this is what I also could see (plus or minus
 a few degrees) when then machine was still upright. So no change
 there.

Type 'sensors' in a terminal if you aren't sure you have gkrellm 
configured correctly. If 'sensors' is showing 78C, that's your 
weirdness problem. First of all, AMD Athlon's (unlike Intels) don't 
have an internal diode for reporting the actual core temp. An 
external probe is used. AMD says to add 10 to 20C to the probe temp 
to better approximate the actual core temp.

IME, about 12C (10C from a pin probe, to 15C for a contact probe) 
is the typical amount to add. To illustrate, silicon is an insulator. 
Measuring the internal temp of a cpu with an external probe is sort'a 
like tryin to measure the temp of electrical wires inside a wall, by 
mashing a thermometer against the plaster. OK, maybe that's a little 
exageration, but you get the idea ;)

   AMD specs Athlons to fail at 90C core temp. This upper limit will 
be lowered if you overheat the core even once, but it usually takes 
several times.  When you see 78C from the probe, your core temp is 
probly 90C, maybe even as high as 98C. Poof! You're lucky the system 
quits, rather than completely fryin that Athlon and the motherboard.

Re-mount your heatsink on that athlon squarely and firmly using 
thermal grease, not a thermal pad. The $2 grease from Radio Shack is 
all you need. Apply a thin layer. Keep your case temp as close to 
room temp as possible. You should be able to keep that cpu under 55C 
from the probe, even under sustained 100% load. 'Course the 55 probe 
is really upper 60's core temp, but far enough under 90C that even 
occasional spikes in the core temp shouldn't cause failure.

After fixin your heatsink, see if the system won't run properly 
(upright). If it's still runnin too hot, try pointing a table fan 
into the case with the cover off. If you can then run at more normal 
temps, you need to improve your heatsink, fans and case ventilation.
If you still have weirdness with improved cooling, it's likely you 
overheated the core one too many times and the cpu is internally 
damaged. You may have also caused some damage to the capacitors on 
the motherboard, particularly those surrounding the cpu socket.

If you suspect you've permanently damaged the cpu/mobo, all is 
still not lost. Underclock it, if the mobo supports it. The 
multiplier on that 1200 is not locked. Keep the FSB at spec, but try 
dropping the multiplier by .5 to as much as 2. IOW's, if it's 9x133, 
try droppin the multiplier to 8 or 8.5. If it's a 100mhz FSB cpu 
(12x100), try 10 or 11x100. Might keep you goin till you can replace 
the system. If it comes to that, I strongly suggest you only use AMD 
recommended power supplies, motherboards, and heatsinks, if you 
aren't now doin so.
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Re: [newbie] Installation fault

2003-01-26 Per discussione Keith Powell
On Saturday 25 January 2003 11:09 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 01:05, Keith Powell wrote:
  I have just spent about two and a half hours downloading a package and
  all its dependencies, using MCC Install Software.
 
  When it tried to install the packages, it couldn't, saying that there was
  an installation fault. It then abandoned the installation.
 
  How can I find out what the fault was, please, in the hope that I can
  prevent it happening in the future?
 
  Secondly, /var/cache/urpmi/rpms is now empty. Does this mean that I have
  to start all over again with another two and a half hours download? This
  second download may be faulty as well.
 
  Five hours downloading is half the weekly length of time I can be
  connected!
 
  For information, the package was the Texstar Phoenix. I have heard some
  good reports about Phoenix and would like to try it.
 
  I am feeling very frustrated at the failure of the installation!
 
  Many thanks
 
  Keith

 What I've seen - and found - is that sometimes a package THINKS it's
 broken when in fact it's really not - same with dependencies - a
 package, if it can't necessarily FIND it's dependencies will assume it
 needs them (again) and will TRY to put itself together accordingly.

 In order to fully bypass this issue, I always (recommend) that the
 library paths are checked in the /etc/ld.so.conf file - and a re-run of
 ldconfig be done prior to getting further.

 The file, /etc/ld.so.conf contains the library paths - which programs
 are dependent on. If the particular library path is NOT being searched,
 logically, the program decides it can't go further.

 My /etc/ld.so.conf file looks like this:

 /usr/kerberos/lib
 /usr/X11R6/lib
 /usr/lib/qt2/lib
 /usr/lib/sane
 /usr/lib/qt-1.45/lib
 /usr/lib/wine
 /usr/lib/mysql
 /usr/lib
 /usr/local/lib
 /usr/lib/qt-3.0.5/lib
 /usr/local/java/lib
 /usr/local/qt3-gcc2.96/lib
 /usr/local/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.0/post
 /usr/lib/OpenOffice.org1.0/program
 /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/lib/
 /opt/quasar/firebird/lib
 /opt/quasar/sybase/lib

 ...the most important to have in here are /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib -
 aside from the other directories. Once modifications have been made to
 this file, you must run ldconfig to rebuild the path cache. If you can
 get to that point, then you can try your package again and see if it
 works better - or at least with few dependencies.

Hello Stephen.

Thank you for your reply and all the information you have given me. The 
information is very useful to have, and I will write it down before I forget 
it. At my age, I daren't trust to memory! 

I didn't know about checking the ld.so.conf file or about running ldconfig; so 
I will do that as soon as I have sent this message.

Cheers and thanks for your help.

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Re: [newbie] Installation fault

2003-01-26 Per discussione Keith Powell
On Saturday 25 January 2003 7:49 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
 On Saturday 25 January 2003 04:24 pm, Keith Powell wrote:

 snip

For information, the package was the Texstar
Phoenix. I have heard some good reports about
Phoenix and would like to try it.
   
I am feeling very frustrated at the failure of the
installation!
   
Many thanks
 
  I have done some investigating, and it appears that
  Phoenix and Phoenix-java were not installed. The other
  packages it needed, were installed.
 
  So, I have downloaded just these two again and installed
  them separately. The Phoenix package installed, but the
  java package wouldn't install. It said that there was a
  size mismatch - whatever that means.
 
  Phoenix now runs, but I assume that it is without Java.
  I haven't had a chance to use it and find out.
 
  The installer did not mention any package by name, it
  merely said that there was a download error.
 
  I hope that Phoenix is worth trying, after all this
  trouble!
 
  Cheers
 
  Keith

 /snip

 Keith, out of curiosity I just downloaded Phoenix from
 Texstar. I just issued the command (as root) :
 urpmi phoenix
 and watched the text scroll by. No problems whatsoever.
 Then, I ran Phoenix, it seems a bit meager and not
 noticeable faster then Mozilla, but certainly slower then
 Konqueror and Opera. Then, trying to view a
 java-*enriched* page, it stopped and prompted me to
 download java, although java already resides on the box. I
 did that nevertheless ( must be done as root ! ) and again
 without any glitches. Now I have two java plugins ;-)

 However, I intend to get rid of it again.

 HTH

 Kaj Haulrich

Kaj, thank you for your reply.

I have been trying Phoenix, and can't see much difference between it and other 
light weight browsers. So it may not be staying on my hard drive for much 
longer. 

It was interesting to install (more or less!) and test.

I have seen it reported that the Windows version of Phoenix is good, better 
than Internet Explorer.

Cheers

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[newbie] Treo 180 vs. Evolution (attempt overview - still unresolved).

2003-01-26 Per discussione ThinKer
My System: Mandrake 9 (2.4.19-16mdk kernel) on a 500 Mhz PIII with
256MB RAM. I am using KDE 3.0.3, Evolution 1.2.1

My PDA: Handspring Treo 180 (GSM phone/PalmOS PDA hybrid). The Treo
is running Palm OS 3.5. I use the USB connection to connect with my PC.
According to WebMin, my USB is set to start at boot and is currently
running. (MandrakeSoft, : usb,v 1.44). I know USB is running because ...

a. 'lsusb' gives Bus 001 Device 001: ID :
b. Mandrake Control Center--Hardware-- USB Controller shows 
(82371AB PIIX4 USB)
--

This is what I have done so far.

1. At a shell, I typed 'ls /dev/usb' and got nothing.

2. I put the Treo in the cradle and pressed the hot sync button. Then
when I typed 'ls /dev/usb' again and got 'tts' in the directory.

3. I then created the symbolic link to /dev/pilot by typing the
following as root 'ln -s /dev/usb/tts/0 /dev/pilot'.

4. Started Evolution and went to Tools--Pilot Settings. Got the wizard
and hit next until the screen that gave me two options.
a. Yes, I've used sync software with this pilot before.
b. No, I've never used sync software with this pilot before.

If I click the No option, it gives me a slot to put a User Name and ID.
I am assuming I should use the 'Yes' option, since I have syncronized my
Treo with the Palm Desktop software it came with on my Windows machine,
and the device already has a username.

5. After I answered this and pressed NEXT on this final screen, I
pressed the hotsync button on the cradle. All of the icons on my desktop
flickered as if something was happening, but nothing ever transfered.  I
got the error message, Could not examine the port for
Cradle(/devt/pilot). The port should point to a USB serial port. No such
file or directory (2)

When I go back now and type 'ls /dev/pilot' I get No such file or
directory.

My Treo keeps displaying the error message The connection between your
handheld computer and the desktop could not be established. Please check
your setup and try again.

6. So now I decide to start over. I went to Tools--Pilot Settings on
Evolution and got the wizard. When Pilot Identification asked the yes or
No question I said yes, and right before I clicked next I typed 
ls dev/pilot as root. I got the no such file or directory so I
created the symbolic link again by typing ln -s /dev/usb/tts/0
/dev/pilot again as root. Then I checked by typing ls dev/pilot and
the 'tts' was there. Then I clicked next on the pilot wizard and pressed
the hotsync button right after. Now I get a new error that says  Failed
sending request to gpilotd. 


Now I am stuck. What am I doing wrong or what haven't I done that I need
to do? Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

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Re: [newbie] Anyone have a working supermount cdrom?

2003-01-26 Per discussione Tom Brinkman
On Saturday January 25 2003 07:16 pm, Charlie wrote:
 Hi;

 I've been fighting with beta2 for so long I think I may have gone
 into terminal brainf@rt mode. I finally have it recognizing the
 cdrom, the cdrw and the floppy at boot (no mount point errors) but
 I can't for the life of me remember how to leave supermount enabled
 and still have a user accessible removable media drive. All three
 drives in fact.

 I have managed to mount the cdrom manually with the install disks
 inserted; which is weird since supermount is supposed to be on.
 Some of my backup data files are hangovers on CD-R from when I
 still dual booted Windows and I can't make the drive read them.
 Images saved from the past, a few directories of MP3s, etc.

 That may be a beta problem but I won't know unless I can get
 consistent drive performance otherwise. I'll need a peak at
 someone's fstab (working supermount) to stimulate the gray matter
 in order to complete the job. If it's a beta bug I'll be able to
 find what so I can make a bug report.

   There's already a bug report and a fix

 Can anybody throw an old dog a bone? Thanks.

 It's a kernel deal, and a deficiency in the beta's configuration 
(so far). The 2.4.21 kernels setup the CD drives as scsi, both 
CD-RW's and cdroms. In my case then both were unavailable for 
reading, with or without supermount, tho I could still burn CDr's. 
The fix is quite easy. For example, my burner is hdd and my Cdrom is 
hdc, and this is my lilo.conf line,
append= devfs=mount hdc=ide-cd hdd=ide-scsi acpi=off quiet
.^^
Adding hdc=ide-cd, the Cdrom is now accesible, and I can use my 
burner for reading also. 'supermount -i enable  mount-a' got it all 
goin again with supermount. Which, BTW, is greatly improved (fast!) 
with 2.4.21.  BTW, check cdrecord -scanbus as your CD-RW will likely 
be moved. Mine was from 0,1,0 to 0,0,0 with this fix.

You really should subscribe to the cooker ML when usin cooker, or 
at least frequently check the recent ML archives, if you're not or 
don't already. I had been usin the 2.4.19 kernel to fix this 
situation till the cdrom/ide issue was discussed, and the fix given 
on the cooker list. I reckon it'll be fixed with beta3, which should 
be any day now.
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Re: [newbie] ARTICLE SNIPPET: Rather amusing

2003-01-26 Per discussione robin
Adolfo Bello wrote:


On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 20:02, Stephen Kuhn wrote:

 

''People need to do a better job about fixing vulnerabilities,'' Schmidt
said.

...

---

 Some of you might remember that, before taking the position of
cyber-security czar, Schmidt was chief security officer for Microsoft,
which undoubtedly explains his penchant for blaming the user, not
the source.

rday (from the RH list)
   

Furthermore, given that some patches really messed up the systems they
were supposed to fix, we know have a one month wait-and-see policy
before applying any patch. Crossing the fingers and praying that within
this month no worm-trojan-whatever appear.

 

One just did: Slammer (son of Code Red).

Sir Robin

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- Larry Wall

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Re: [newbie] OT Hardware weirdness 2

2003-01-26 Per discussione g




Paul wrote:

 No, it keeps going.

 No. There is still power on the mainboard led and the leds of the network
 cards.

 Both. Same result.

 Yes and yes.

 No, it is not. I cannot imagine that it does. I can leave the PC off for 2
 hours, which should be enough to cool off most parts. When I switch the PC

 Yes, they both show on LM Sensors (through Gkrellm).

 The drives (2 x 30Gb ata100) came with the system. It is a little over 1.5
 years old now. The drives previously were mounted flat, now they are on the
 side.

 I'd have to try these out sometime. I'll let you know. Thanks for the ideas.

ok.

from your replies, it is now to decide if problems is with mainboard
or if you have a harddrive problem.

with box in normal upright position, put harddrive on it's side.
does system stay up?


 I like this!!!  :-)
glad you enjoyed.


peace out.

tc,hago.

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Re: [newbie] OT Hardware weirdness 2

2003-01-26 Per discussione Anne Wilson
On Sunday 26 Jan 2003 2:17 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
 On Sunday January 26 2003 01:43 am, Paul wrote:
  Yes, they both show on LM Sensors (through Gkrellm).
  The CPU (Athlon 1200) shows 78C (149F) and something else shows
  29.2C (75.5F). I am not sure if I set the multiplier readings in
  Gkrellm correctly, but this is what I also could see (plus or minus
  a few degrees) when then machine was still upright. So no change
  there.

 Type 'sensors' in a terminal if you aren't sure you have gkrellm
 configured correctly. If 'sensors' is showing 78C, that's your
 weirdness problem. First of all, AMD Athlon's (unlike Intels) don't
 have an internal diode for reporting the actual core temp. An
 external probe is used. AMD says to add 10 to 20C to the probe temp
 to better approximate the actual core temp.

 IME, about 12C (10C from a pin probe, to 15C for a contact probe)
 is the typical amount to add. To illustrate, silicon is an insulator.
 Measuring the internal temp of a cpu with an external probe is sort'a
 like tryin to measure the temp of electrical wires inside a wall, by
 mashing a thermometer against the plaster. OK, maybe that's a little
 exageration, but you get the idea ;)

AMD specs Athlons to fail at 90C core temp. This upper limit will
 be lowered if you overheat the core even once, but it usually takes
 several times.  When you see 78C from the probe, your core temp is
 probly 90C, maybe even as high as 98C. Poof! You're lucky the system
 quits, rather than completely fryin that Athlon and the motherboard.

 Re-mount your heatsink on that athlon squarely and firmly using
 thermal grease, not a thermal pad. The $2 grease from Radio Shack is
 all you need. Apply a thin layer. Keep your case temp as close to
 room temp as possible. You should be able to keep that cpu under 55C
 from the probe, even under sustained 100% load. 'Course the 55 probe
 is really upper 60's core temp, but far enough under 90C that even
 occasional spikes in the core temp shouldn't cause failure.

 After fixin your heatsink, see if the system won't run properly
 (upright). If it's still runnin too hot, try pointing a table fan
 into the case with the cover off. If you can then run at more normal
 temps, you need to improve your heatsink, fans and case ventilation.
 If you still have weirdness with improved cooling, it's likely you
 overheated the core one too many times and the cpu is internally
 damaged. You may have also caused some damage to the capacitors on
 the motherboard, particularly those surrounding the cpu socket.

 If you suspect you've permanently damaged the cpu/mobo, all is
 still not lost. Underclock it, if the mobo supports it. The
 multiplier on that 1200 is not locked. Keep the FSB at spec, but try
 dropping the multiplier by .5 to as much as 2. IOW's, if it's 9x133,
 try droppin the multiplier to 8 or 8.5. If it's a 100mhz FSB cpu
 (12x100), try 10 or 11x100. Might keep you goin till you can replace
 the system. If it comes to that, I strongly suggest you only use AMD
 recommended power supplies, motherboards, and heatsinks, if you
 aren't now doin so.

Tom - I'm not doubting you, and I'll certainly keep this post for reference, 
but how is that affected by orientation?  Why would it run longer if on its 
side?

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Re: [newbie] OT Hardware weirdness 2

2003-01-26 Per discussione Anne Wilson
On Sunday 26 Jan 2003 5:04 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
 On Sunday January 26 2003 09:11 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
  Tom - I'm not doubting you, and I'll certainly keep this post for
  reference, but how is that affected by orientation?  Why would it
  run longer if on its side?
 
  Anne

 Heat rises :  Seriously, if he's runnin it on it's side, the heat
 rises out of the case better, maybe?. A table fan blowin into an
 upright case would probly be better tho. In any event, 78C from a
 probe is WAY TOO high for an Athlon.  Another posssible explaination
 is if he's usin a heatsink that is heavier than AMD recommends. These
 heavy heatsinks don't sit squarely on the cpu's die when the case is
 upright and gravity is pullin 'em down. Specially if the spring clip
 tension is to low.  Which is why AMD specs a maximum weight (200 or
 300 grams IIRC) and retention clip tensions. Anyhow, all their
 recommended heatsinks fall within this weight requirement. A lot of
 the super duper fancy expensive one, are also overweight. Specially
 the copper ones.

 Even if the cause is somethin else, anything over low 60C's (max,
 under extreme load) for an Athlon is intolerable, an must be sorted
 out, sooner the better if it's not already too late.

Thanks for the explanation.  Yes, my Athlon 900 runs around 50C, 24x7.  I do 
worry about the weight of current heatsinks and fans - to say nothing of the 
fact that I have a heart attack every time I have to try to deal with those 
clips :).  Are there specialist fans that are lighter weight?

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Re: [newbie] Anyone have a working supermount cdrom?

2003-01-26 Per discussione Charlie
On Sunday 26 January 2003 08:05 am, Tom Brinkman wrote:
 On Saturday January 25 2003 07:16 pm, Charlie wrote:
  Hi;
 
  I've been fighting with beta2 for so long I think I may have gone
  into terminal brainf@rt mode. I finally have it recognizing the
  cdrom, the cdrw and the floppy at boot (no mount point errors) but
  I can't for the life of me remember how to leave supermount enabled
  and still have a user accessible removable media drive. All three
  drives in fact.
 
  I have managed to mount the cdrom manually with the install disks
  inserted; which is weird since supermount is supposed to be on.
  Some of my backup data files are hangovers on CD-R from when I
  still dual booted Windows and I can't make the drive read them.
  Images saved from the past, a few directories of MP3s, etc.
 
  That may be a beta problem but I won't know unless I can get
  consistent drive performance otherwise. I'll need a peak at
  someone's fstab (working supermount) to stimulate the gray matter
  in order to complete the job. If it's a beta bug I'll be able to
  find what so I can make a bug report.

There's already a bug report and a fix

  Can anybody throw an old dog a bone? Thanks.

  It's a kernel deal, and a deficiency in the beta's configuration
 (so far). The 2.4.21 kernels setup the CD drives as scsi, both
 CD-RW's and cdroms. In my case then both were unavailable for
 reading, with or without supermount, tho I could still burn CDr's.
 The fix is quite easy. For example, my burner is hdd and my Cdrom is
 hdc, and this is my lilo.conf line,
 append= devfs=mount hdc=ide-cd hdd=ide-scsi acpi=off quiet
 .^^

image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21pre3-2mdk
label=2.4.21-2
root=/dev/hda5
read-only
optional
vga=normal
append= devfs=mount hdd=ide-scsi
initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.21pre3-2mdk.img

That's the LILO stanza for the latest cooker kernel I'm running at the moment 
Tom. The ide-scsi issue was the first thing I noticed when I finally got 
beta2 running and connected to the internet. I had the hdc=ide-cd in the 
append line on the pre3-1 kernel as well after Pixel posted it on the cooker 
list. The trouble is that the previous kernel had screwed up my fstab during 
install that I kept getting No mount point errors for both CD drives and 
the floppy. I think I finally have it corrected enough now to use the disk 
drives but even with supermount in the removable media line drives in fstab 
it's necessary to manually mount them so that I can use them. Even then a 
couple of old back up CD-Rs that have images, mp3s, and other files that were 
saved from my Windows days aren't read. They were always read in previous 
releases of Mandrake. I suppose I should have copied them to hard disk drive 
before playing with a beta again but I just never expected not to be able to 
read them.

Where's KwikDisk when ya need it, eh? ;-)

 Adding hdc=ide-cd, the Cdrom is now accesible, and I can use my
 burner for reading also. 'supermount -i enable  mount-a' got it all
 goin again with supermount. Which, BTW, is greatly improved (fast!)
 with 2.4.21.  BTW, check cdrecord -scanbus as your CD-RW will likely
 be moved. Mine was from 0,1,0 to 0,0,0 with this fix.

It moved mine from the 0,3,0 it was under 9.0 to the 0,0,0 it was under 8.2 
and previous releases as well. Too weird. But it is a beta. The first beta 
had my CD-ROM as 0,1,0 and the CD-RW as 0,2,0. That was the same in beta2 
before the new kernel as well.

 You really should subscribe to the cooker ML when usin cooker, or
 at least frequently check the recent ML archives, if you're not or
 don't already. I had been usin the 2.4.19 kernel to fix this
 situation till the cdrom/ide issue was discussed, and the fix given
 on the cooker list. I reckon it'll be fixed with beta3, which should
 be any day now.

The 9.0 2.4.19 and the 2.2 series may be the only recent Mandrake kernels that 
I didn't try Tom. (g) I have (installed) the one shipped with beta1, with 
beta2, 2.4.20.2mdk-1-1, and the previously mentioned pre3-2. Everything else 
that I installed that I use is cooker current as of this morning around 3:00 
AM MST.

I've been reading the cooker list for quite some time Tom. Thanks for the 
suggestion. I have a feeling I missed something so I'll re-read what was 
posted the last few days. I think you're right about beta3, Pixel keeps 
talking about it in recent posts. 

Maybe those were typos though. :-)

Thanks for taking the time Tom.

Regards;
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[newbie] OT

2003-01-26 Per discussione Lee
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Re: [newbie] OT Hardware weirdness 2

2003-01-26 Per discussione Chuck Burns
On Sun, January 26 2003 11:28 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
*snip*
 Thanks for the explanation.  Yes, my Athlon 900 runs around 50C, 24x7.  I
 do worry about the weight of current heatsinks and fans - to say nothing of
 the fact that I have a heart attack every time I have to try to deal with
 those clips :).  Are there specialist fans that are lighter weight?

And see.. this is why I spent the extra 20 bucks and bought a Pentium IV 1.6, 
instead of the Athlon 1800 (which runs at 1400mhz I think)

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Re: [newbie] OT Hardware weirdness 2

2003-01-26 Per discussione Anne Wilson
On Sunday 26 Jan 2003 5:47 pm, Chuck Burns wrote:
 On Sun, January 26 2003 11:28 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 *snip*

  Thanks for the explanation.  Yes, my Athlon 900 runs around 50C, 24x7.  I
  do worry about the weight of current heatsinks and fans - to say nothing
  of the fact that I have a heart attack every time I have to try to deal
  with those clips :).  Are there specialist fans that are lighter weight?

 And see.. this is why I spent the extra 20 bucks and bought a Pentium IV
 1.6, instead of the Athlon 1800 (which runs at 1400mhz I think)

No, I don't see.  Why?

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[newbie] HDD temps?

2003-01-26 Per discussione Tom Brinkman
 OK, a little utility rpm for 9.1 showed up recently, hddtemp 
(hddtemp-0.3-0.beta3.1mdk). I've been playin with it for a few days.

see :  http://coredump.free.fr/linux/harddrive.html#hddtemp

   tom# hddtemp /dev/hd[ab]
/dev/hda: Maxtor 6Y080L0: 55°C
/dev/hdb: MAXTOR 6L040J2: 31°C

(case temp is 23C, drives are well separated and ventilated)

That's just now, but in several checks over time, hdb (a storage 
drive, 40g) ranges from low to high 30's. hda (my busy drive, 80g) 
runs mid 50's to low 60's.  I've tried Googling and even emailed 
Maxtor (no reply yet), but now curiousity's got the better of me.

What are normal temp ranges?, what's too high?
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Re: [newbie] HDD temps?

2003-01-26 Per discussione Charles A Edwards
On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:53:31 -0600
Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What are normal temp ranges?, what's too high?

On my XP1900+ the 45Gig Maxtor does not even give a temp.

# hddtemp /dev/hd[ab]
WARNING: Drive /dev/hda doesn't seem to have a temperature sensor.
WARNING: This doesn't mean it hasn't got one.
WARNING: If you are sure it has one, please contact me
([EMAIL PROTECTED]). WARNING: See --help, --debug and --drivebase
options.
/dev/hda: Maxtor 54610H6:  no sensor
/dev/hdb: IC35L060AVER07-0: 18°C


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Re: [newbie] Re:Back to Basics

2003-01-26 Per discussione et
On Sunday 26 January 2003 12:51 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
 On Sunday 26 January 2003 12:34 pm, et wrote:

 snip

  consider yopa. it is a new distro for th desktop,
  and while I have not yet had a chance to check it out,
  it comes highly recomended by folks I have learned to
  trust. On this list, I think it was YAMA, Sridhar
  Dhanapalani, that thought this was a good distro, and
  every other bit of advice he gave was right on the
  money.

 /snip

 et, I'm pretty sure the name is Yoper.

 BTW : where is Sridhar these days ? Miss him too.

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Re: [newbie] ARTICLE SNIPPET: Rather amusing

2003-01-26 Per discussione Stephen Kuhn
On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 02:05, robin wrote:

 One just did: Slammer (son of Code Red).
 
 Sir Robin

As was discussed on the RH list, I do have to say that this was a well
planned attack, and being that it actually brought out the attention of
the US Secretary of Defense - AND brought Microsoft's LACK of security
further into the public's eye (think of the timing...what great timing)
this shows the public that there are even more reasons for not putting
their trust and their data into the hands of a monopolistic megalomaniac
company like M$.

My system never skipped a beat; my ISP didn't skip a beat (and they have
MySQL servers in their backend and linux boxes on their front ends)...

Whoever is playing this out (and it has to have something to do with the
fact that Linux World Expo is going on and Microsoft SHOWED UP
there...dig that) - I think it's all aimed at just chucking mud on M$'s
face...which ain't gonna hurt our community (linux et. al.)

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Re: [newbie] OT Hardware weirdness 2

2003-01-26 Per discussione Marc
1/26/03 10:24:16 AM, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In reply to g's mail, d.d. Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:05:48 +:

from your replies, it is now to decide if problems is with 
mainboard
or if you have a harddrive problem.

with box in normal upright position, put harddrive on it's side.
does system stay up?

Yup, no problem. I am of course NOT going to twiddle the running 
drives
around, but they function wonderfully either on the side or 
straight up. So
it is the mobo, as Marc and et also already suspected.

Too bad. This ASUS board was pricey. But then, even good things 
can die an
early death.


   If it is a cracked trace on the mobo dont call it beyond repair 
yet.  It could be a problem that can be repaired by caveman 
technology. If you can discover what way the board needs to be 
flexed or bent to keep it working maybe you can do something as 
simple as install a mechanical device in the case to push or pull 
it in the correct direction. I once had a rather expensive 
shortwave receiver with similar problems and I could not find the 
problem after several hours of troubleshooting. I ended up 
unscrewing the circuit board and sticking a cigarette butt under 
the board and screwing it back down this flexed the board enough 
to make it work. This was by no means a good professional repair 
but it did continue to reliably work for many years.
   I would give it a try, you got nothing to loose and if you can 
make it work well for a couple of years what more do you need. by 
then you will probably be ready to upgrade.
  I have also seen another problem similar to this once in a 
computer try having a long hard look at the electrolitic 
capactiors near the cpu. look for bulged tops and or wiggle them a 
bit to see if one has become loose. I have seen the the leads 
actually pill loose from the bottom of this type of capacttor 
before and do some odd things.

   Just a long shot
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Re: [newbie] Re:Back to Basics

2003-01-26 Per discussione Aaron Mehl
Wow.
I just went to yoper and if what I read is true I will be switching to
it as soon as the first release is out.

Aaron
On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 12:51, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
 On Sunday 26 January 2003 12:34 pm, et wrote:
 
 snip
  consider yopa. it is a new distro for th desktop,
  and while I have not yet had a chance to check it out,
  it comes highly recomended by folks I have learned to
  trust. On this list, I think it was YAMA, Sridhar
  Dhanapalani, that thought this was a good distro, and
  every other bit of advice he gave was right on the
  money.
 /snip
 
 et, I'm pretty sure the name is Yoper.
 
 BTW : where is Sridhar these days ? Miss him too.
 
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Re: [newbie] Lilo got sick

2003-01-26 Per discussione Stephen Kuhn
On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 03:15, Russ wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 Shut down my computer last night and everything was just fine. Booted this
 morning and got an L followed by rows of  01. I did make a boot disk but
 that was before I redid my system and now Linux is on the second disk, so
 obviously that didn't work (I'll have to redo it for my current system.
 Anyone mind pointing me to the correct spot and save me a little time
 hunting). So then I decided to pop in CD 1 and do something there (wasn't
 sure what but I was going to look around). Pressed F1 for more info and
 stumbled onto a function that repairs Lilo. I did it and it seems to be
 healthy again. Can anyone shed some light on why Lilo burped?
 
 Thanks
 Russ
 

Almost every time I see that error it has to do with something causing
your /boot partition from being the active partition. I usually fix it
with a Win98 boot disk and FDISK to reset the active partition - then
after reboot, works like a charm.

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Re: [newbie] ? Modem problem (still)

2003-01-26 Per discussione Angus Auld



- Original Message -
From: mbot [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Hello newbie,
 
 Sorry to bother you all again and again about this matter. But I'm
 getting frustated to find the (right) driver to make my modem work.
 
 Please, with all do respect, don't say that I have to go to winmodem or linmodem to 
get the
 driver. Cos I did, and had donwload some DRIVERS as folows:
 1. hsflinmodem-5.03.27mbsibeta02122600.1.i386.rpm
 2. hsflinmodem-5.03.27mbsibeta02122600k.2.4.19 16mdk-1mdk.i586.rpm
 3. ltmodem-kv 2.4.19 16mdk-8.22a5-1.i586.rpm
 4. ltmodem-kv_2.4.19_16mdk-8.26a9-1.i586.rpm
 5. riptide-0.4mbsibeta02122500k2.4.19_16mdk-1mdk.i586.rpm
 6. PCI_56K_V2_K2.2.17.tar
 ... but the problem remains the same :-( .
 
 Once again, help me please. Cos I'm totally blind about this wonderful
 OS. And in advance ... thank's a lot, Guys!
 
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Hi mbot, you might be able to get more precise information about your modem specs by 
going here:
http://www.mbsi.ca/cnxtlindrv/modemident.html
and getting the List Modem Application program. Run this program, either the Windows 
version on your MS system, or the Linux version on Linux.

That should give you more details about your modem to help you find the right driver, 
if it's available.
It's does seem that you have a HSF chipset modem though.
Theoretically, the mbsi driver should work for you. Follow the instructions provided 
on mbsi's site very carefully. Have you tried compiling the generic driver package 
from source? I have a HCF Conexant modem, and get very good results with the mbsi 
driver. I do compile the generic source rpm on my machine. I get better performance 
doing that.
I believe my winmodem actually works better as a Linmodem! However, YMMV, as always.
Also, there is a tar package which may well be worth a try too.

It can be quite discouraging to a new Linux user to try to get a winmodem to work. I 
know what it's like! Some can be made to work however, and work quite well too. 
I hope you get on-line w/Linux! Good luck to you. :-) 


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Re: [newbie] Installing an exe with WINE

2003-01-26 Per discussione robin
Russ wrote:

Would I then have to install FreeDOS then install Win3.1 on top of that to
run this program? The program I am trying to run is an older version of
Logos Bible software. It has worked fine under Win3.1 and 98se.


No, I meant that a lot of old Win 3.1 programs are actually DOS 
programs, so you might be able to run them without Windows.

I have been plugging away at trying to get it going but I keep hitting
snags. I ended up using Codeweavers but now I am told I need xmessage
(whatever that is) and I was told to do a search and install it. I cannot
find it.


IIRC, xmessage is in XFree86-contrib, or some such package.  A search on 
 rpmfind.net should turn it up.


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Re: [newbie] Lilo got sick

2003-01-26 Per discussione Steve Jeppesen
Not to correct you Stephen, but isn't it something like fdisk -mbr or
something?  Hate to see somebody run fdisk without that mbr option and
ruin their current setup..

OTH
Steve


On 27 Jan 2003 05:55:24 +1100
Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 03:15, Russ wrote:
  Hi All,
  
  Shut down my computer last night and everything was just fine.
  Booted this morning and got an L followed by rows of  01. I did
  make a boot disk but that was before I redid my system and now Linux
  is on the second disk, so obviously that didn't work (I'll have to
  redo it for my current system. Anyone mind pointing me to the
  correct spot and save me a little time hunting). So then I decided
  to pop in CD 1 and do something there (wasn't sure what but I was
  going to look around). Pressed F1 for more info and stumbled onto a
  function that repairs Lilo. I did it and it seems to be healthy
  again. Can anyone shed some light on why Lilo burped?
  
  Thanks
  Russ
  
 
 Almost every time I see that error it has to do with something causing
 your /boot partition from being the active partition. I usually fix it
 with a Win98 boot disk and FDISK to reset the active partition - then
 after reboot, works like a charm.
 
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Re: [newbie] /dev/dsp warning message

2003-01-26 Per discussione Frans Ketelaars
On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 22:26:08 +
John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip

 Well !,
 [root@localhost root]# /sbin/fuser /dev/dsp
 /dev/dsp: 3064
 
 ok,now,
 [root@localhost root]# ps aux | grep 3064
 root  3064  0.0  0.0  1632  452 ?S22:05   0:00 
 /usr/bin/esd -ter
 root  3178  0.0  0.1  1668  592 pts/3S22:15   0:00 grep 3064
 
 so that means something but what? I do not know what these 0.0 0.0 1632 
 452? is
 but 22.05 looks like a time, 0:00 no idea, and it is connected with 
 sound device
 /usr/bin/esd with a flag of -ter whatever that means. Does anyone know ?
 
 John

Esd is the Enlightened Sound Daemon, see 'man esd'. AFAIK it's a sound 
server daemon from Gnome, like artsd is from/for KDE. These sound servers
allow software mixing of more than one soundstream (like playing a mp3 and
get systems sounds at the same time).

Have fun with sound in Linux ;-)

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Re: [newbie] Moving to HTTPS

2003-01-26 Per discussione Stefano Pogliani




Thanks, Sharrea.

It seems to work.
Now I will have to try with a trusted certificate to see if I will avoid the warnings I get on my client browsers.

Best regards
/Stefano

On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 10:33, Sharrea wrote:

On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:17, Stefano Pogliani wrote:
 What should I do to start using HTTPS **in addition to** HTTP on my site
 ?
 I installed SquirrelMail in order to access to my mails from everywhere.
 But would like to do it in a secure way.
 So, I installed mod_ssl.
 In Konqueror, when using HTTPS, it issues some alert but allows me to
 continue. In Mozilla, this does not happen (I am not able to access my
 site using HTTPS).

 I had a quick look at the certificate and it speaks about something for
 testing only.

 Could someone point me to some HowTo or complete description of the
 process I should follow ?

 Thanks a lot in advance. Best regards

 /stefano

You'll find the instructions for creating your own server certificate at 
http://www.apache-ssl.org/#FAQ
under Now I've got my server installed, how do I create a test 
certificate?

I tried restarting apache with
# apachectl graceful
and then opening my browser but it didn't work and I had to reboot - then 
all was well.  I'm sure there is something else to restart to avoid 
rebooting but I don't know what - hopefully someone else can tell us?  HTH

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Re: [newbie] Lilo got sick

2003-01-26 Per discussione Stephen Kuhn
On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 06:29, Steve Jeppesen wrote:
 Not to correct you Stephen, but isn't it something like fdisk -mbr or
 something?  Hate to see somebody run fdisk without that mbr option and
 ruin their current setup..
 
 OTH
 Steve

Generally, when you run FDISK, you are presented with options - mostly 4
options if you have one disk, 5 options if you have more than one disk.
Option 2 is to SET ACTIVE PARTITION

Just in running the MS-DOS FDISK doesn't kill or delete anything,
although I do know of people that randomly smash keys and do silly
things - but mostly you would ASSUME that people would read what's
placed in front of them prior to either clicking on something or hitting
a key...(g)

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Re: [newbie] write permission changes on restart

2003-01-26 Per discussione Sharrea
On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:50, fifner the dragon wrote:
 I set permissions for a folder to allow both group and others to write to
 it.

 Everytime I restart the computer I have to log in as root and set the
 permissions again.

 How do I make the permission changes permanent?

Go to:
http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/msec.php

Near the bottom of the page is Customizing msec With Overrides.
Edit /etc/security/msec/level.local

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Re: [newbie] 9.0 screensavers?

2003-01-26 Per discussione Rob Blomquist
On Saturday 25 January 2003 02:00 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
 Okay, I'll give. I tried searching KDE's web site, the Mandrake
 mailing list archive, and Texstar...

 so...where are screen savers for version 9.0? I didn't have but 4
 with the 3 CD download edition, which is understandable...but the
 same 4 with the powerpack? What?-not enough space on 7 CD's? grin

I just installed Mandrake 9.0 after a couple of years with KDE and RH. 
I found the whole screensavers thing quite frustrating, too. But 
during install, I forced the install of kdeartwork, and found the 
screensavers missing. Being on a LAN (home lans rock for these 
reasons) I had saved my .kde directory from RH after the source 
install of 3.0.4. 

Overwriting the Mandrake .kde directory with the source .kde 
directory, got all the screensavers from KDE, including the Mandrake 
screensavers.

I am not sure what is going on, but I would guess it is in the 
Mandrake screensaver settings in the .kde directory. And poking 
around in the directory sure didn't help, that directory under 
Mandrake is far more complex than under KDE originally.

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[newbie] apt-get update gives strange message

2003-01-26 Per discussione ThinKer
In trying to keep my system up to date...

as root I typed apt-get upgrade -f

This is the message I got. Can someone please explain this to me?

--begin error--

Reading Package Lists...
Collecting File Provides...
Building Dependency Tree...
Correcting dependencies... Done
The following packages will be upgraded
  cvs libgimpprint1 libglib2.0_0 libpng3 netscape printer-testpages
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  evolution evolution-devel evolution-pilot gal gnome-spell
The following packages have been kept back
  XFree86-devel XFree86-libs XFree86-xfs arts aspell aspell-en kdeadmin
kdebase
  kdebase-nsplugins kdegames kdegraphics kdelibs kdemultimedia
kdenetwork
  kdepim kdetoys kdeutils libarts libqt3 libsane1 licq licq-console
licq-rms
  lisa pan quanta sane-backends
6 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 5 removed and 27 not upgraded.
Need to get 20.7MB of archives. After unpacking 73.6MB will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]

--end error --

Why is it trying to remove evolution? And why is it keeping some
packages back? What do I need to do from here? If I need to remove
evolution, is there a way to back up my emails and settings so when I
reinstall it I wont have lost anything?

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Re: [newbie] Lilo got sick

2003-01-26 Per discussione Anne Wilson
On Sunday 26 Jan 2003 9:08 pm, you wrote:

  Except that PM tells me I have a problem with my partitions, and doesn't
  go any further.
 
  Anne

 Here's the trick with PM - You HAVE to have some type of partition it
 can write to - be it a diskette or be it an actual FAT/VFAT partition.
 It only needs to write ONE file there - a pqtmp.fil - then it will run.

 Another way of getting around this is to copy the dos utilities from the
 PM setup to a CDROM and put the pqtmp.fil in the root dir of the CD (or
 on the root of a boot floppy) so that it can be run...

 It's actually in the docs for PM...just a matter of RTM...

I'll dig it out and look into it tomorrow.  I confess I read it when I got it 
and haven't looked at it since.

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Re: [newbie] 9.0 screensavers?

2003-01-26 Per discussione Ronald J. Hall
On Sunday 26 January 2003 03:50 pm, Rob Blomquist wrote:

 I am not sure what is going on, but I would guess it is in the
 Mandrake screensaver settings in the .kde directory. And poking
 around in the directory sure didn't help, that directory under
 Mandrake is far more complex than under KDE originally.

 Rob

Hey Rob. I found the RPM for it. Its a 9+ meg download, but has lots of stuff 
in it. The name is:

kdeartwork-3.0.3-6mdk.i586.rpm

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Re: [newbie] write permission changes on restart

2003-01-26 Per discussione Sharrea
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:36, Sharrea wrote:
 On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:50, fifner the dragon wrote:
  I set permissions for a folder to allow both group and others to write
  to it.
 
  Everytime I restart the computer I have to log in as root and set the
  permissions again.
 
  How do I make the permission changes permanent?

 Go to:
 http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/msec.php

 Near the bottom of the page is Customizing msec With Overrides.
 Edit /etc/security/msec/level.local


Oops sorry, that should be
Create /etc/security/msec/perm.local
thats where you put file permissions!

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Re: [newbie] Lilo got sick

2003-01-26 Per discussione Russ
HI Stephen,

You may be onto something here. This is what I did;

On my original try with Linux this go around I just disconnected my old HD
and partitioned a new one, Installed Win98 on the first half and Linux on
the second. Then I decided to slave them together. So I simply uninstalled
Lilo. Now when booted to that HD it boots directly to my new Win98 install.
I then slaved the two together. Both HD's (Maxtors) are set to CS. My old HD
is in the master position and my new one is on the slave. I reinstalled
Linux on the second HD (same partition only now it was a slave disk instead
of master). Now Lilo was installed on my OLD HD and it set itself to boot to
all three OS's (old Win98 on old HD - New Win98 on first partition new HD -
and Linux on second HD). I did it this way just to see if Win98 would boot
on a slaved drive. I had heard that it would not. Therefore both HD's were
bootable.

Now, would that have caused the problem I had? I shut the computer down and
started it again today and it did it again so I just erased Lilo (through
the CD again)

Thanks
Russ
- Original Message -
 On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 03:15, Russ wrote:
  Hi All,
 
  Shut down my computer last night and everything was just fine. Booted
this
  morning and got an L followed by rows of  01. I did make a boot disk
but
  that was before I redid my system and now Linux is on the second disk,
so
  obviously that didn't work (I'll have to redo it for my current system.
  Anyone mind pointing me to the correct spot and save me a little time
  hunting). So then I decided to pop in CD 1 and do something there
(wasn't
  sure what but I was going to look around). Pressed F1 for more info and
  stumbled onto a function that repairs Lilo. I did it and it seems to be
  healthy again. Can anyone shed some light on why Lilo burped?
 
  Thanks
  Russ
 

 Almost every time I see that error it has to do with something causing
 your /boot partition from being the active partition. I usually fix it
 with a Win98 boot disk and FDISK to reset the active partition - then
 after reboot, works like a charm.




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Re: [newbie] HDD temps?

2003-01-26 Per discussione Pilagá
El Dom 26 Ene 2003 14:53, Tom Brinkman escribió:
  OK, a little utility rpm for 9.1 showed up recently, hddtemp
 (hddtemp-0.3-0.beta3.1mdk). I've been playin with it for a few days.

 see :  http://coredump.free.fr/linux/harddrive.html#hddtemp

tom# hddtemp /dev/hd[ab]
 /dev/hda: Maxtor 6Y080L0: 55°C
 /dev/hdb: MAXTOR 6L040J2: 31°C

 (case temp is 23C, drives are well separated and ventilated)

 That's just now, but in several checks over time, hdb (a storage
 drive, 40g) ranges from low to high 30's. hda (my busy drive, 80g)
 runs mid 50's to low 60's.  I've tried Googling and even emailed
 Maxtor (no reply yet), but now curiousity's got the better of me.

Something similar here, Tom:

[pilaga@localhost pilaga]# hddtemp /dev/hd[acd]
/dev/hda: ST330630A: 59°C
/dev/hdc: IC35L060AVER07-0: 50°C --- not in use (1 dedicated fan)
/dev/hdd: IC35L060AVER07-0: 57°C --- not in use (1 dedicated fan)

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Re: [newbie] HDD temps?

2003-01-26 Per discussione Tom Brinkman
On Sunday January 26 2003 12:19 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote:
 On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:53:31 -0600

 Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What are normal temp ranges?, what's too high?

 On my XP1900+ the 45Gig Maxtor does not even give a temp.

 # hddtemp /dev/hd[ab]
 WARNING: Drive /dev/hda doesn't seem to have a temperature sensor.
 WARNING: This doesn't mean it hasn't got one.
 WARNING: If you are sure it has one, please contact me
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). WARNING: See --help, --debug and --drivebase
 options.
 /dev/hda: Maxtor 54610H6:  no sensor
 /dev/hdb: IC35L060AVER07-0: 18°C
 Charles

   Thanks Charles, I believe my 50+C temps might be bogus. Even after 
shutting down for several minutes, then checking immediately after 
boot with little HDD activity, the temp is still 55 to 60C for that 
one drive of mine, the other is 23C (room temp).

   OTOH, don't you heat your house?  ;)  18C is 64F, maybe you've got 
the box outside in the snow? ;
   I'm beginin to wonder how trustworthy this utility is.
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Re: [newbie] 9.0 screensavers?

2003-01-26 Per discussione Francisco Alcaraz Ariza
I think the xscreensaver it so good; you can use it even with KDE (by default 
Gnome uses it). To use it just do:

A) In kde control panel dissable screensaver

B) put in /home/user/.kde/Autostart/
an script file named, for example, start-xscreensaver.sh with just this 
conten: xscreensaver -nosplash

make it executable (chmod +x .)

C) The next time you will start KDE you will be able to change the parameters 
of xscreensaver typing in a console: xscreensaver-demo (I like to put it to 
change of screensaver every 2 minutes, and in random mode). I read this cheat 
from mandrake forum 
(http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=2078lang=en)

D) you can improve the xscreensaver adding several wonderfull screensaver to 
xscreensaver, have a look at the next page in Mandrake Forum:
http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=2540lang=en

euphoria, skyrocket, plasma.. look fantastic.


More interesting pages in Mandrake Forum:
http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=1953lang=en (to enable xmatrix)


El Dom 26 Ene 2003 22:17, Ronald J. Hall escribió:
 On Sunday 26 January 2003 03:50 pm, Rob Blomquist wrote:
  I am not sure what is going on, but I would guess it is in the
  Mandrake screensaver settings in the .kde directory. And poking
  around in the directory sure didn't help, that directory under
  Mandrake is far more complex than under KDE originally.
 
  Rob

 Hey Rob. I found the RPM for it. Its a 9+ meg download, but has lots of
 stuff in it. The name is:

 kdeartwork-3.0.3-6mdk.i586.rpm

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Re: [newbie] HDD temps?

2003-01-26 Per discussione Tom Brinkman
On Sunday January 26 2003 03:41 pm, Pilagá wrote:

  see :  http://coredump.free.fr/linux/harddrive.html#hddtemp

   Something similar here, Tom:

 [pilaga@localhost pilaga]# hddtemp /dev/hd[acd]
 /dev/hda: ST330630A: 59°C
 /dev/hdc: IC35L060AVER07-0: 50°C --- not in use (1 dedicated
 fan) /dev/hdd: IC35L060AVER07-0: 57°C --- not in use (1
 dedicated fan)

   Saludos.

   Thanks Saludos.  That's about the range I see with my newest 
7200rpm Maxtor.  Still bothers me that my other, months older 7200rpm 
Maxtor is always in the 30's.  Room temp is always mid 20's and both 
drives are separated by a coupl'a inches from anything including each 
other in a _well_ ventilated tower case.  MOF, I took the case cover 
off an pointed a table fan at the HDD's ...with no difference in 
reported average temps.

  135 to 140F (high 50C's) does seem a bit hot afterall

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Re: [newbie] Lilo got sick

2003-01-26 Per discussione Stephen Kuhn
On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 08:46, Russ wrote:
 HI Stephen,
 
 You may be onto something here. This is what I did;
 
 On my original try with Linux this go around I just disconnected my old HD
 and partitioned a new one, Installed Win98 on the first half and Linux on
 the second. Then I decided to slave them together. So I simply uninstalled
 Lilo. Now when booted to that HD it boots directly to my new Win98 install.
 I then slaved the two together. Both HD's (Maxtors) are set to CS. My old HD
 is in the master position and my new one is on the slave. I reinstalled
 Linux on the second HD (same partition only now it was a slave disk instead
 of master). Now Lilo was installed on my OLD HD and it set itself to boot to
 all three OS's (old Win98 on old HD - New Win98 on first partition new HD -
 and Linux on second HD). I did it this way just to see if Win98 would boot
 on a slaved drive. I had heard that it would not. Therefore both HD's were
 bootable.
 
 Now, would that have caused the problem I had? I shut the computer down and
 started it again today and it did it again so I just erased Lilo (through
 the CD again)
 

Yeppers - shore would have caused it. Are you done switching disks
around now? (g)

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[newbie] V4Linux Grabber

2003-01-26 Per discussione Stephen Kuhn
Just thought this link would be rather interesting for those that have
experienced problems in grabbing video data from their v4lin devices...

http://freshmeat.net/releases/110741/

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[newbie] newbie qustion on ISO images

2003-01-26 Per discussione AndrewD
I have just downloaded an ISO image for a Linux distribution which I
want to test on my old PC, do I just burn the ISO onto a CD or do I need
to do something else with it first?

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Re: [newbie] OT Hardware weirdness 2

2003-01-26 Per discussione Chuck Burns
On Sun, January 26 2003 11:49 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
*snip*
   Thanks for the explanation.  Yes, my Athlon 900 runs around 50C, 24x7. 
   I do worry about the weight of current heatsinks and fans - to say
   nothing of the fact that I have a heart attack every time I have to try
   to deal with those clips :).  Are there specialist fans that are
   lighter weight?
 
  And see.. this is why I spent the extra 20 bucks and bought a Pentium IV
  1.6, instead of the Athlon 1800 (which runs at 1400mhz I think)

 No, I don't see.  Why?

 Anne

Well.. for starters, P4's have MUCH better thermal resistance, not to mention 
a thermal diode that can regulate the core CPU temperature if the fan happens 
to fail, or if the heatsink happens to fall off.. Many 3rd party tests have 
shown that a P4 cpu can run even without a heatsink, with no damage to the 
CPU at all.  It slows down if it detects temperature overload, and prevents 
the core temp. from reaching critical levels.. (Not to mention the 400-533mhz 
cache speeds, compared to athlon's measly 200mhz.. :p)
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Re: [newbie] newbie qustion on ISO images

2003-01-26 Per discussione _nasturtium
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 02:14 am, AndrewD wrote:
 I have just downloaded an ISO image for a Linux distribution which I
 want to test on my old PC, do I just burn the ISO onto a CD or do I need
 to do something else with it first?

 Thanx
Hello,
Compare the md5sum of the ISO image with the one posted on the site you 
downloaded it from.
If the md5sum does not match, then you may have a corrupted ISO image (I 
write may because they may have posted the wrong md5sum!).

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Re: [newbie] OT Hardware weirdness 2

2003-01-26 Per discussione Ronald J. Hall
On Sunday 26 January 2003 06:06 pm, Chuck Burns wrote:

 Well.. for starters, P4's have MUCH better thermal resistance, not to
 mention a thermal diode that can regulate the core CPU temperature if the
 fan happens to fail, or if the heatsink happens to fall off.. Many 3rd
 party tests have shown that a P4 cpu can run even without a heatsink, with
 no damage to the CPU at all.  It slows down if it detects temperature
 overload, and prevents the core temp. from reaching critical levels.. (Not
 to mention the 400-533mhz cache speeds, compared to athlon's measly
 200mhz.. :p)

Thats interesting. I always thought that AMDs' chips were better performers at 
the same speed rangefrom what I've read. (but I'm no expert).

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Re: [newbie] OT Hardware weirdness 2

2003-01-26 Per discussione Paul
In reply to Anne's mail, d.d. Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:49:45 +:

 And see.. this is why I spent the extra 20 bucks and bought a Pentium IV
 1.6, instead of the Athlon 1800 (which runs at 1400mhz I think)

No, I don't see.  Why?

I guess these do not suffer from 'overweight problems' of fans. ;)
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Re: [newbie] OT Hardware weirdness 2

2003-01-26 Per discussione Chuck Burns
On Sun, January 26 2003 5:12 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
*snip*
 Thats interesting. I always thought that AMDs' chips were better performers
 at the same speed rangefrom what I've read. (but I'm no expert).
Really dependant upon what your doing, AMD's ARE better performance/mhz 
usually.. but.. also at the cost of stability.  When I was a technician at a 
local pc service center, I can't even begin to tell you about the 
compatibility issues between motherboards and video cards.  One guy had a GF4 
Ti 4400.. and a AMD XP1800+.. in a Soyo board.. and the card refused to work 
in anything having to do with 3D.. He bought the card from us, and swore up 
and down the card was faulty... I put the card into my test system. (A P3 
500) and installed several games that he'd brought, saying the card locked up 
in em.. and it ran beautifully... no problems.. took the ATI Rage128 that I 
had in the test system.. put it into the Xp1800.. and *IT* ran beautifully.. 
with no problems, whatsoever... now, for the kicker.. we underclocked his 
1800 (which was clocked to 1600mhz, per AMD's settings...) to 1500mhz 
clockspeed (which the board then recognized the CPU as a XP 1699 (or 
something like that..) and the GF4 ran without a hitch.. So.. I assumed a 
heat problem.. not true... the CPU wasn't even hitting 110F (or about 45C) 
according the motherboard's system diags.. and this was AFTER running some 
'cpu burn' tests that output gibberish into each register, causing the CPU to 
peg 100% usage for like 20 minutes..

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Re: [newbie] newbie qustion on ISO images

2003-01-26 Per discussione Stephen Kuhn
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 02:14, AndrewD wrote:
 I have just downloaded an ISO image for a Linux distribution which I
 want to test on my old PC, do I just burn the ISO onto a CD or do I need
 to do something else with it first?
 
 Thanx

Short answer: Just burn.

Microsoft Answer: After checking throroughly through the
end-user-license agreement, and after carefully reading through all of
the documentation concerning this application, make sure you have all
the available patches and upgrades prior to initiating the process of
creating an image of the file in question. Should there be legalities
concerning copying the software, or infringement of intellectual
properties, you can contact the Microsoft Piracy website for further
information concerning this issue. If you are able to find that you can
indeed create a copy of the software without any legal issues or
copyright issues, you are going to either have to use Microsoft Windows
XP or Home edition to burn the ISO image - but will need to download and
install the patch/powertool necessary for the identification of ISO
images directly from the Microsoft Update Centre. Once that has been
secured and you've read through the EULA, install the powertool as you
would any other software, and then reboot your workstation. If you are
not running XP or Home Edition, you will have to secure a program
necessary for burning CDR's. Microsoft can recommend several popular
programs such as Adaptec EZ CD Writer and Nero Burning ROM. These can be
purchased either online or through your local computer supplier.

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Re: [newbie] OT Hardware weirdness 2

2003-01-26 Per discussione Chuck Burns
On Sun, January 26 2003 1:03 pm, Paul wrote:
*snip*
 I guess these do not suffer from 'overweight problems' of fans. ;)
 Paul

No, it's because P4's don't overheat.. period. They throttle their clock 
speed, to reduce heat. if they detect overheating, so where thermal 
management on an Athlon means protecting the cpu from itself, thermal 
management on a Pentium IV just keeps the CPU from slowing down..

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Re: [newbie] newbie qustion on ISO images

2003-01-26 Per discussione Chuck Burns
On Sun, January 26 2003 5:29 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
*snip*
 Microsoft Answer: After checking throroughly through the
 end-user-license agreement, and after carefully reading through all of
 the documentation concerning this application, make sure you have all
 the available patches and upgrades prior to initiating the process of
*snip* ...

ROFLMFAO!  Too funny!
The sad thing is.. what he said, while being quite tongue-in-cheek, very 
closely resembles what MS would, indeed, have said to the question.. God I 
hate beauracracies(sp?)...
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[newbie] ARTICLE: MDK 9beta1 2 CD Installation - Reviewed

2003-01-26 Per discussione Stephen Kuhn
Another cool article. No FUD.
Long live linux!

http://www.distrowatch.com/review-mandrake.php

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Re: [newbie] OT

2003-01-26 Per discussione Rob Blomquist
On Sunday 26 January 2003 09:40 am, Lee wrote:
 http://w3.one.net/~sunlion/linuxriot.html

This appears to be a bullsh*t page. Microsoft doesn't have much if any 
office space in downtown Seattle, their space is all in the suburbs.

Besides, it never made the papers here.
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Re: [newbie] OT

2003-01-26 Per discussione Steve Jeppesen
Scroll down to the bottom, hit the back button and you will see what
this is all about  LOL

On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:48:36 -0800
Rob Blomquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sunday 26 January 2003 09:40 am, Lee wrote:
  http://w3.one.net/~sunlion/linuxriot.html
 
 This appears to be a bullsh*t page. Microsoft doesn't have much if any
 office space in downtown Seattle, their space is all in the suburbs.
 
 Besides, it never made the papers here.
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Re: [newbie] OT

2003-01-26 Per discussione Dennis Myers
On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 19:48, Rob Blomquist wrote:
 On Sunday 26 January 2003 09:40 am, Lee wrote:
  http://w3.one.net/~sunlion/linuxriot.html
 
 This appears to be a bullsh*t page. Microsoft doesn't have much if any 
 office space in downtown Seattle, their space is all in the suburbs.
 
 Besides, it never made the papers here.
 -- 
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Hmmm, the whole site  is tongue in cheek humor. Hit the back button for
more laughs. Dennis M.



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[newbie] Need help installing gnucash

2003-01-26 Per discussione cwhmlist
Hello all,

I need some help. I am new to Mandrake but not new to Linux.  Anyway, I found a 
website that talked about adding package sources and I have added several 
(http://vsbabu.org/mt/archives/2002/12/03/mandrake_9_getting_more_software.html).  

Using the information provided, I have tryied to get gnucash to install by running 
urpmi gnucash ( I also tried to install it through the gui).  The process keeps 
balking saying that libgal.so.19 is needed by gnucash and libgtkhtml20. Urpmi states 
that libgal19 is already installed.  I looked in /usr/lib and confirmed that indeed 
libgal.so.19 exists and is a sym link to libgal.so.19.0.3.  

Would someone please advise on how to get gnucash to install.

Thanks,

Chris



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Re: [newbie] Need help installing gnucash

2003-01-26 Per discussione Adolfo Bello
On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 22:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 I need some help. I am new to Mandrake but not new to Linux.  Anyway, I found a 
website that talked about adding package sources and I have added several 
(http://vsbabu.org/mt/archives/2002/12/03/mandrake_9_getting_more_software.html).  
 
 Using the information provided, I have tryied to get gnucash to install by running 
urpmi gnucash ( I also tried to install it through the gui).  The process keeps 
balking saying that libgal.so.19 is needed by gnucash and libgtkhtml20. Urpmi states 
that libgal19 is already installed.  I looked in /usr/lib and confirmed that indeed 
libgal.so.19 exists and is a sym link to libgal.so.19.0.3.  
 
 Would someone please advise on how to get gnucash to install.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Chris
Do you have the /usr/lib and usr/local.lib path in /etc/ld.so.conf?

If you don't, add those directories in two different lines and run
ldconfig

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Re: [newbie] OT Hardware weirdness 2

2003-01-26 Per discussione Tom Brinkman
On Sunday January 26 2003 05:12 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
 On Sunday 26 January 2003 06:06 pm, Chuck Burns wrote:

  prevents the core temp. from reaching critical levels.. (Not to
  mention the 400-533mhz cache speeds, compared to athlon's measly
  200mhz.. :p)

 Thats interesting. I always thought that AMDs' chips were better
 performers at the same speed rangefrom what I've read. (but I'm
 no expert).

 Not so, Athlons are much better performers at the same clock speed ;) 
Athlons in the 1.6g range out perform P4's of the 2+ ghz variety, at 
less cost. It's not so much that AMD's are so great, it's more like 
P4's and even more so, the available motherboard chipsets for them 
 suck really big time. Intel has used M$ type tatics to crush 
competition, but has yet to produce any decent i8whatever chipsets.

   400-533mhz is the same type of PR ballyhoo both manufacturers use 
for those that fall for it. And it's not cache speeds, its FSB 
speeds multiplied by marketing smoke'n mirrors. FSB for all but the 
very *most recent cpu's is 133mhz. AMD pretends they double this to 
266. Intels goes off the charts with claims of 3 and 4 times 
multiplication by magic  (*most recent being 166 mhz FSB, either 
vendor. In that case AMD claims 333mhz, 2x 166).

  'Sides, front side bus speeds aren't dictated by the cpu, they're 
set by the (motherboard's) chipsets.  And on either system, 
everything STILL has to go thru the old 33mhz PCI bus anyhow. So much 
for '533mhz cpu' PR B$.

AMD's worst short fall IMO, an I beleive it's why they're not 
acceptable on the server or even laptop markets is the lack of an 
**internal diode to report/regulate heat. Intels' have had this since 
early Pentiums. OTOH, it's a recent Intel copout also. As some of you 
have said, the diode in new Intels allows the cpu to slow down, even 
shutdown to avoid overheating. In the case of laptops, avoid 
overheating and conserve power. So just when you need power, the cpu 
kneels down, badly ;(  Which is another reason P4's suck. An why 
somebody posted recently that a 40 minute kernel compile took 80 
minutes on their new 1.6 gig P4 laptop. (**OK, the newer Athlon XP's 
have a rudimentary internal diode implemtation, but it's almost a 
year now, with no decent motherboard support from any vendor. Asus 
and Gigabyte have tried, most others haven't.)

   A better marketing approach, judging by popularity, seems to be the 
worst old past junk. VIA buys up failed Cyrix crap for practically 
nothin, and PR's it sucessfully as 'silent' and 'fanless' (VIA C3's, 
the 'C' stands for Cyrix, 3rd attempt). PR claims of 800mhz produce 
benches an ancient K6-300 could beat hands down. Which BTW can also 
be run silent and fanless on junk motherboards an power supplies.
At least the K6 was an i586 cpu, the C3's are a 586/486 mix.

   So the buyer has choice ;  For me, I'm just nursin my tired ol' 
overclocked Tbird 1.4/VIA (1.5ghz, out performs a 1.8g/i8xx P4) along 
till it dies. It's startin to run hotter lately ;(   Maybe 64 bit 
desktop cpu's will be the rage by then ;) Had a P3-450 oc'd to 600 on 
a Intel BX chipset, before. The hardware people are willin to buy's 
been goin down hill since ...  includin me
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Re: Re: [newbie] Need help installing gnucash

2003-01-26 Per discussione cwhmlist

 
 From: Adolfo Bello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2003/01/26 Sun PM 09:45:57 EST
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] Need help installing gnucash
 
 On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 22:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello all,
  
  I need some help. I am new to Mandrake but not new to Linux.  Anyway, I found a 
website that talked about adding package sources and I have added several 
(http://vsbabu.org/mt/archives/2002/12/03/mandrake_9_getting_more_software.html).  
  
  Using the information provided, I have tryied to get gnucash to install by running 
urpmi gnucash ( I also tried to install it through the gui).  The process keeps 
balking saying that libgal.so.19 is needed by gnucash and libgtkhtml20. Urpmi states 
that libgal19 is already installed.  I looked in /usr/lib and confirmed that indeed 
libgal.so.19 exists and is a sym link to libgal.so.19.0.3.  
  
  Would someone please advise on how to get gnucash to install.
  
  Thanks,
  
  Chris
 Do you have the /usr/lib and usr/local.lib path in /etc/ld.so.conf?
 
 If you don't, add those directories in two different lines and run
 ldconfig
 
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I already had /usr/lib in the /etc/ld.so.conf file.  However, I went ahead and also 
added /usr/local/lib to the file and reran ldconfig.  This did not fix the problem.

Any other ideas/advice?

Thanks,

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Re: [newbie] newbie qustion on ISO images

2003-01-26 Per discussione Tom Brinkman
On Monday January 27 2003 09:14 am, AndrewD wrote:
 I have just downloaded an ISO image for a Linux distribution which
 I want to test on my old PC, do I just burn the ISO onto a CD or do
 I need to do something else with it first?

 Thanx

  If you d/l'd the iso with a browser, even if you didn't, make sure 
you check the integrity of the d/l'd file with 'md5sum'. You can get 
this value from the md5sum txt file from your d/l site. Then,

cdrecord -v -eject speed=4 dev=0,0,0 -dao Linux-distro-filename.iso
^^^
^^^Run 'cdrecord -scanbus' (as root) to check for your dev= numbers.

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Re: [newbie] newbie qustion on ISO images

2003-01-26 Per discussione Jason Greenwood




Or simply use K3b and use create an ISO from the image.

Cheers

Jason

Tom Brinkman wrote:

  On Monday January 27 2003 09:14 am, AndrewD wrote:
  
  
I have just downloaded an ISO image for a Linux distribution which
I want to test on my old PC, do I just burn the ISO onto a CD or do
I need to do something else with it first?

Thanx

  
  
  If you d/l'd the iso with a browser, even if you didn't, make sure 
you check the integrity of the d/l'd file with 'md5sum'. You can get 
this value from the md5sum txt file from your d/l site. Then,

cdrecord -v -eject speed=4 dev=0,0,0 -dao Linux-distro-filename.iso
^^^
^^^Run 'cdrecord -scanbus' (as root) to check for your dev= numbers.

  
  

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RE: [newbie] OT

2003-01-26 Per discussione Richard Babcock
I enjoyed that very much!
R

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[newbie] making an extra hdd bootable

2003-01-26 Per discussione Richard Babcock
Greetings,
I downloaded a nifty bootable Linux CD called Knoppix
(http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/) and like the distro so I thought I would
'install' it on my spare 1 gig hd. I know I need to create some kind of boot
partition and transfer 'system' files there somehow but haven't seen/found a
lot of info on this subject. Can I partition the 1 gig with ML, do some
neato magic to make the boot partition bootable and then just copy the
contents of the cd to the remaining partition? I don't need to worry about
lilo since I will be using cmos settings to make the 1 gig the primary boot
disk.
tia
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Re: Re: [newbie] Need help installing gnucash

2003-01-26 Per discussione civileme
On Sunday 26 January 2003 06:02 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  From: Adolfo Bello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: 2003/01/26 Sun PM 09:45:57 EST
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [newbie] Need help installing gnucash
 
  On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 22:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hello all,
  
   I need some help. I am new to Mandrake but not new to Linux.  Anyway, I
   found a website that talked about adding package sources and I have
   added several
   (http://vsbabu.org/mt/archives/2002/12/03/mandrake_9_getting_more_softw
  are.html).
  
   Using the information provided, I have tryied to get gnucash to install
   by running urpmi gnucash ( I also tried to install it through the gui).
The process keeps balking saying that libgal.so.19 is needed by
   gnucash and libgtkhtml20. Urpmi states that libgal19 is already
   installed.  I looked in /usr/lib and confirmed that indeed libgal.so.19
   exists and is a sym link to libgal.so.19.0.3.
  
   Would someone please advise on how to get gnucash to install.
  
   Thanks,
  
   Chris
 
  Do you have the /usr/lib and usr/local.lib path in /etc/ld.so.conf?
 
  If you don't, add those directories in two different lines and run
  ldconfig
 
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 I already had /usr/lib in the /etc/ld.so.conf file.  However, I went ahead
 and also added /usr/local/lib to the file and reran ldconfig.  This did not
 fix the problem.

 Any other ideas/advice?

 Thanks,

 Chris
Well you should try the following

Delete the rpm database then in a terminal as root

# rpm --rebuilddb

Check your filesystem.  I have seen this problem before where ldconf -v will 
see the file and the installer or compiler will not.  It has happened in 
every case I have seen with a corrupted Reiserfs.  And no matter how robust 
the filesystem is, there are circumstances which will prove disastrous to 
one, such as a power failure during writing which might result in a runaway 
drive processor.

There may be an unresolved glitch in dependencies though usually the QA 
procedures nail them.  In that case drop in the CD#1, boot and then select 
Expert Upgrade and select no groups then go on to individual package 
selection and toggle the list to alphabetical flat list, then scroll down to 
gnucash and check it.

It may be that the deps list on the CD is corrupted or was unreadable in 
part--that will discover the flaw.

I have used several 9.0 downloadable sets and I know gnucash is there and 
dependencies are satisfied, because I load it in the packages list diskette I 
always carry.  Therefore we have one of the following problems:

1.  depslist on CD not completely readable (low probability even considering 
frequent media-vs-drive problems, cause the more likely outcome of this 
problem is failure to install)

2.  Filesystem corruption--particularly observable in version 8.0 using 
Reiserfs where ldconfig -v would see a file and a compiler or make or rpm 
would not.

3.  rpm database corruption, resolved by rpm --rebuilddb IF you have it 
loaded.  Difficult if not  (like fresh install time after moving any data you 
want to keep to /home)

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Re: [newbie] Making own screensaver ?

2003-01-26 Per discussione Todd Slater
On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:09:48 +0700
Rifza Adriansyah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 Hi friends,
 I have some pictures ( jpg,bmp  png files ). In M$ Windows, I can 
 create a screensaver with tool like 1st Screensaver Builder 1.0 
 (www.1stsb.com). Could I create a screensaver in linux without having 
 programming skill ?. If we need programming language to build 
 screensavers, what is the language ?.
 TIA.

Try chbg.

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Re: [newbie] Evolution password

2003-01-26 Per discussione Joe
No.. both ways don't work.

thanks for the help anyway.

Best regards
Joe

On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 16:27, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 17:47, Joe wrote:
  Hi there,
  
  talking about Evolution (1.0.2)... i haven't been able to enter any
  contact into my Evolution's Contacts. Anything wrong here or something
  amiss?
  
  Thanks a lot for the help.
  
  Best regards
  Joe
 
 Have you tried dragging an email into the contacts folder? Or clicking
 on NEW, then CONTACT? (Just try as per steps)
 
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Re: [newbie] Evolution Sending

2003-01-26 Per discussione Joe
I think what he meant is

offline or online, i don't care. don't send any emails until i tell you
so, evolution! keep 'em in the outbox first.

The M$ Outlook or Outlook Express has the option not to send messages
immediately.

That's what he wants, i guess.

best regards
Joe



On Sun, 2003-01-19 at 12:04, Russ wrote:
 Hi Warren,
 
 This would be the perfect solution except that when I change to offline
 mode my send/Receive button is greyed out and won't let me send till I
 connect again. Is there a setting somewhere that I need to check?
 
 Thanks for the tip
 Russ
 
 On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 19:48, Warren Post wrote:
  El sáb, 18-01-2003 a las 01:47, Russ escribió:
   While we are at it, is there a way to have all messages sent to Outbox
   until I choose to send/receive instead of directly sending? 
  
  Upon opening Evolution, click the connected cables icon in the lower
  left corner to put Evolution into offline mode. In offline mode,
  messages you write will go to the outbox until you explicitly chose to
  send and receive messages (you do not need to switch to online mode to
  send and receive).
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[newbie] problem - file/directory permissions using samba AND nfs

2003-01-26 Per discussione Steve Jeppesen
I have just searched thru about a year and a half worth of posts
concerning this subject, but have not found a simple way of fixing this.

We have a trusted home network, 3 Win98 clients, 1 WinME client, 1 MD
9.0 client and a MD 9.0 server/router/firewall setup.  You can guess
whom the MD 9.0 client belongs to!

I have setup samba for the win clients, portion of smb.conf for shared:
[shared]
writable = Yes
path = /mnt/shared/shared
read only = No
create mask = 0777
force create mode = 0777
directory mask = 0777
force directory mode = 0777

I admit I might have gone overboard by forcing everything to 0777 but
didn't realize until tonight that nfs is in the picture and is causing
problems - but hay, it works for the win clients anyways  LOL

Here is the line in /etc/exports for the shared directory;
/mnt/shared/shared 192.168.1.15(rw)

All win clients can create files/folders with no problems and other win
clients can create and or modify anything into what another win client
creates.

Problem is that if I create anything to the shared directory using
NFS, my permissions are assigned to it, and nobody else can make changes
to it.

I prefer NFS for my linux station over samba, so would like to keep
things the way they are and not switch to samba for linux to linux file
sharing.

Is there a way for the NFS exports to have say 0777 assigned to all
things created in those shares? 

I have tried adding all_squash to the /etc/exports file on the server,
but that didn't help.  A win client was not able to create another
file/folder within a newly created folder by my mandrake box.

The goal here is to basically make the shared resource read/writable
by all clients, no matter whom might create any shared folders or files.

Another thought is I might be able to change the line in exports to;
/mnt/shared/shared 192.168.1.(rw)  {but can that be done anyways in
that format?) but am not too sure if that would work because the other
win clients do not use NFS.

Any ideas?

TIA
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Re: [newbie] newbie qustion on ISO images

2003-01-26 Per discussione AndrewD
OK I have burnt the CD placed it in the CD Rom of the other computer,
but it is still loading Linux (the PC currently has mandrake 9) and not
the CD (and yes the PC does boot the cd first) so my next question is
how do I now use the CD with the new ISO do I need to make it 'bootable'
somehow.

On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 18:29, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 02:14, AndrewD wrote:
  I have just downloaded an ISO image for a Linux distribution which I
  want to test on my old PC, do I just burn the ISO onto a CD or do I need
  to do something else with it first?
  
  Thanx
 
 Short answer: Just burn.
 
 Microsoft Answer: After checking throroughly through the
 end-user-license agreement, and after carefully reading through all of
 the documentation concerning this application, make sure you have all
 the available patches and upgrades prior to initiating the process of
 creating an image of the file in question. Should there be legalities
 concerning copying the software, or infringement of intellectual
 properties, you can contact the Microsoft Piracy website for further
 information concerning this issue. If you are able to find that you can
 indeed create a copy of the software without any legal issues or
 copyright issues, you are going to either have to use Microsoft Windows
 XP or Home edition to burn the ISO image - but will need to download and
 install the patch/powertool necessary for the identification of ISO
 images directly from the Microsoft Update Centre. Once that has been
 secured and you've read through the EULA, install the powertool as you
 would any other software, and then reboot your workstation. If you are
 not running XP or Home Edition, you will have to secure a program
 necessary for burning CDR's. Microsoft can recommend several popular
 programs such as Adaptec EZ CD Writer and Nero Burning ROM. These can be
 purchased either online or through your local computer supplier.



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RE: [newbie] newbie qustion on ISO images

2003-01-26 Per discussione Richard Babcock
I've seen a number of posts to this list that indicate the cd is simply a
written copy of the iso. No insult intended but have you used the command
that Tom Brinkman suggested? That should make you a bootable cd. If your
still having problems perhaps your cmos will let you disable the hd as a
bootable device.
R
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 To: Mandrake Newbie
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 OK I have burnt the CD placed it in the CD Rom of the other computer,
 but it is still loading Linux (the PC currently has mandrake 9) and not
 the CD (and yes the PC does boot the cd first) so my next question is
 how do I now use the CD with the new ISO do I need to make it 'bootable'
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Re: [newbie] problem - file/directory permissions using samba ANDnfs

2003-01-26 Per discussione Stephen Kuhn
On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 15:37, Steve Jeppesen wrote:

 [shared]
 writable = Yes
 path = /mnt/shared/shared
 read only = No
 create mask = 0777
 force create mode = 0777
 directory mask = 0777
 force directory mode = 0777
 Any ideas?
 
 TIA
 Steve

If you want a truly open/public share, you can do like this:

[ddrive]
comment = D Drive
path = /mnt/d-drive
read only = No
public = Yes

...that's it...but you do have to set the security level to SHARE
instead of USER.

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