date:20030628

On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 08:04, Phares wrote:
 I have two XP boxes, Two OSx boxes, one OS9 laptop,
 one OS 8 server, One win2000 laptop, a 4 machine linux
 cluster, and a playstation 2 on my home Lan, the only
 issue I've noticed is that my power bills can get
 pretty expensive. (Luckily half the computers are my
 roomies)
 
 No interbreeding yet.
 
 The cluster however talks quietly behind my back about
 how to destroy my pet fish... I just know it.

I'm rather surprised at how you can take a wonderfully built LAN like
that and put two Windows machines on ityech...All that wonderful
runs like a champ OS+hardware and then two Windows machines.

BTW, care must be taken in the keeping of clusters; with pets and small
children, they cannot be trusted.

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They both savoured the strange warm glow of being much more ignorant than
ordinary people, who were only ignorant of ordinary things.
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Re: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 06:53, Robin Turner wrote:

 Watch what you say about the Taliban, mate.  They might not take too 
 kindly to being compared with Microsoft ;-)
 
 Sir Robin

...er, can the Taliban members READ?

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I never said all Democrats were saloonkeepers; what I said was all
saloonkeepers were Democrats.

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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 06:06, Tsyko wrote:
 On Friday, 27 June 2003 12:20, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
  On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 21:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   can any one tell me how i know if mandrake is using my hyper-threaded
   machine?
   Thanks in advance
   Tsyko
   LINUX ROCKS
 
  Sadly, it probably isn't.
  Are you running kernel 2.5.X ?
 
 
 No I am running the enterprise kernel that came on the MDK 9.1 CD´s.

Sadly, you're not.

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I never said all Democrats were saloonkeepers; what I said was all
saloonkeepers were Democrats.

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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 05:45, MWafkowski wrote:
 Joe - Now wait...I respect your opinions and you bring up some troubling
 issues.
 
 On me little home network here I've got seven machines, three Linux, two XP,
 one Win 2000 and
 this scrawny little p133 laptop I'm writing on with Win 98.
 
 Do I have to worry about interbreeding across the LAN?! Anxiously awaiting
 your instrucions.
 
 Peace,
 Mike Wafkowski

Oy - I thought that SOMWEWHERE within the M$ EULA it strictly prohibits
having an unlicensed home network - especially a home network SHARING
ANYTHING AT ALL as it's against the EULA  to share
data/information/files between the Windows OS and ANOTHER OS -
specifically one that's illegal.

I assume you've got your M$ license for both the XP machines AND the one
Win2k machine AND the Win98 machine? AND you've got the licenses either
taped to the CPU or readily available should the M$ License Patrol stop
by for a quick check up?

I'd truly hate to think that you MIGHT be running not only an ILLEGAL OS
like LINUX, but having bootlegged copies of LEGAL SOFTWARE like
Windows...

(g)
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Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Printer virus problem

2003-06-28 Per discussione Douglas Bainbridge

I've had exactly the same problem with just a single Windows PC
connected to 2 printers (both installed on the system) through a data
switch. Print with the data switch switched to the wrong printer,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]*
Cancel the printing  - no effect
Delete the print job at the print manager - no effect.
Power down the PC and re-boot - no effect if the printer was still on.
Shut off the printer AND power down AND wait before re-booting - the
printer re-starts spewing garbage until it's discharged its internal
buffer.
Gaaah!

It would be nice if printers came with a 'Flush printer internal buffer' option.

DougB 



On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 14:49, rikona wrote:
 Hello Stephen,
 
 Friday, June 27, 2003, 5:18:45 AM, you wrote:
snip
 
 I had this problem on a Win-only local net, with an Epson printer. The
 symptoms were a short line on each page, and a huge number of pages.
 The data was transferred to the printer buffer and the only solution
 was to shut off the printer. If it was a large print job, there was
 still garbage remaining on the source computer too, and that had to be
 flushed as well, otherwise it would continue if the printer was
 restarted.


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Re: [newbie] network problem - help

On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 07:29, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 12:34, Roland Hughes wrote:
  I have finally had the chance to get off of dial up and on to a shared
  dsl. My problem is I cannot get the Internet connection to switch from
  modem to eth0. The nic is up and connected but when I bring up the
  mandrake control center and go to networking it only shows the modem as
  the connection and no matter how many times I run the wizard it will not
  change. Any help for a old fart.
  Roly
 
 I think we all agreed that using the MCC for your connection was a VERY
 BAD idea (gets really flaky).
 
 BEST bet is to make direct modifications to the network scripts located
 in the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts directory - and to make sure that
 your /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf are setup properly...
 
 Once you've modified those scripts, do a:
 
 service network restart
 
 ...and all should be well...


might even be on line already, what does ifconfig (as root, without
the quotes, in a text console) say?


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[newbie] Print manager

2003-06-28 Per discussione Chris Knewstubb

Hi All,

I am using Mandarke 9.1. I am  a home desktop user. So far I have got 
everything up and running, and feeeling pretty pleased with myself. 
However, what I am missing is a print manager , or some point and click 
way of killing of print jobs - my printer is an Epson Stylus Colour 400. 
Any tips appreciated.

Cheers,
Chris K

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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 00:11, Aron Smith wrote:
 On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 05:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:23:03 +0200
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
   
can any one tell me how i know if mandrake is using my hyper-threaded
machine?
   
   Ask it politely?
  
  I tried but id didn't listen. Maybe I spoke into the wrong port?
 Well you could threaten it with winXP.


what does (as root, in a text console, without the quotes)cat
/proc/interrupts say? and unless you are useing the SMP kernel, don't
expect hyperthreading to work


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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 03:50, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 06:06, Tsyko wrote:
  On Friday, 27 June 2003 12:20, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
   On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 21:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
can any one tell me how i know if mandrake is using my hyper-threaded
machine?
Thanks in advance
Tsyko
LINUX ROCKS
  
   Sadly, it probably isn't.
   Are you running kernel 2.5.X ?
  
  
  No I am running the enterprise kernel that came on the MDK 9.1 CD´s.
 
 Sadly, you're not. 

what does cat /proc/intrrupts  say?


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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

Only one processor

Apparently not

Is there a way to make it work?




On Saturday, 28 June 2003 11:21, ed tharp wrote:
 On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 00:11, Aron Smith wrote:
  On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 05:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:23:03 +0200
   
[EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
 can any one tell me how i know if mandrake is using my
 hyper-threaded machine?
   
Ask it politely?
  
   I tried but id didn't listen. Maybe I spoke into the wrong port?
 
  Well you could threaten it with winXP.

 what does (as root, in a text console, without the quotes)cat
 /proc/interrupts say? and unless you are useing the SMP kernel, don't
 expect hyperthreading to work


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[newbie] Another petition

2003-06-28 Per discussione mooney

In protest at the 'Microsoft tax' -cannot (in many places) buy a 
computer without windows, but cannot get a refund when you refuse 
license.

http://www.windowsrefund.net

Details under What's happening (court case against Toshiba 
(America) in New York rescheduled for June 30th)

Paul M.

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Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS

FemmeFatale wrote:

At 07:43 PM 6/27/2003 +0100, you wrote:

Did you try writing this to floppy instead? Thus satisying LILO  in 
essence skipping writing to your MBR?
-
FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt
No I didn't Femme, is that a way to prevent lilo being written then ?

John

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Prevents it from being written to the MBR of your hard drive Yes.  It 
will write Lilo to the floppy's MBR tho  if you need to copy it from 
there to a relevant partition  change it to reflect new pointers you 
can.  Simple  elegant solution IMO.  You can do this with a 
disk-on-key too if need be ofc.

-
FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt


Femme, you may of hit on the solution. I'm not sure whether it will not 
only write to floppy but also insist on writing to MBR as well. My 
experience is that once in install lilo you aren't left with a choice, 
so that even if you elect to create boot floppy which is what your 
saying, it still wants to write something to MBR when finished.

Hmmm, wants trying .

John

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Re: [newbie] Print manager

2003-06-28 Per discussione Derek Jennings

I should have also mentioned that you can view print jobs using any browser on 
your local network with the CUPS administration tool simply by entering
http://localhost:631   (replace localhost with IP address if using a different 
computer)

On previous versions of Mandrake I was able to cancel jobs using the CUPS 
admin tool, but for some reason I cannot with 9.1  YMMV

derek

On Sunday 29 Jun 2003 4:10 am, Chris Knewstubb wrote:
 Hi All,

 I am using Mandarke 9.1. I am  a home desktop user. So far I have got
 everything up and running, and feeeling pretty pleased with myself.
 However, what I am missing is a print manager , or some point and click
 way of killing of print jobs - my printer is an Epson Stylus Colour 400.
 Any tips appreciated.

 Cheers,
 Chris K

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[newbie] Sylpheed install

I found that I preferred the 0.8.3 version of Sylpheed-claws which I'm
using under mdk 9.0 but the install fails for 9.1.
It wants libcrypto.so.2 and libssl.so.2
I've googled and found that these files are provided by openssl.
MCC tells me that openssl is installed and I'm having no luck finding
the two files.
I've tried the rpm query - whatprovides' which tells me no package
provides either file.
Can someone point me in the right direction?
Curt


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Re: [newbie] Another petition

On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 21:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In protest at the 'Microsoft tax' -cannot (in many places) buy a 
 computer without windows, but cannot get a refund when you refuse 
 license.
 
 http://www.windowsrefund.net
 
 Details under What's happening (court case against Toshiba 
 (America) in New York rescheduled for June 30th)
 
 Paul M.

This is one of the bits in the XP EULA that I always find rather, er,
scary - at best...
QUOTE FROM XP EULA

You may also need to reactivate the Product if you modify
your computer hardware or alter the Product. There are
technological measures in this Product that are designed
to prevent unlicensed or illegal use of the Product. 
You agree that we may use those measures.

/END QUOTE

The term draconian constantly comes to mind here...

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gyroscope, n.:
A wheel or disk mounted to spin rapidly about an axis and also
free to rotate about one or both of two axes perpindicular to
each other and the axis of spin so that a rotation of one of the
two mutually perpendicular axes results from application of
torque to the other when the wheel is spinning and so that the
entire apparatus offers considerable opposition depending on
the angular momentum to any torque that would change the direction
of the axis of spin.
-- Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary

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Re: [newbie] Sylpheed install

2003-06-28 Per discussione Anders Lind


 I found that I preferred the 0.8.3 version of Sylpheed-claws which I'm
 using under mdk 9.0 but the install fails for 9.1.
 It wants libcrypto.so.2 and libssl.so.2
 I've googled and found that these files are provided by openssl.
 MCC tells me that openssl is installed and I'm having no luck finding
 the two files.
 I've tried the rpm query - whatprovides' which tells me no package
 provides either file.
 Can someone point me in the right direction?


Hello Curt,

I suggest you ask the question on the Sylpheed Claws mailinglist, it might
be dependant of a newer version even though it sounds strange, have you
downloaded the tarball and compiled it instead?

Best Regards,
Anders

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[newbie] Weirdness - playing a video

I've just found something rather strange in my system - I've updated the
NVidia drivers about a week or so ago, and now, for whatever reason,
every time I play a movie (AVI or whatever), on the right side of the
screen of the movie, I get garbage - now this didn't happen when I was
using the older NVidia driver - and I've mucked with yanc in trying
to make sure that all my settings were correct and the likes, but the
damn problem still persists...

Now it ain't like I watch heaps of movies, but I do rip them on this
machine, and sometimes like to have a view of what I've just ripped;
it's late Saturday night, I'm tired, and I'm done mucking with it for
the evening...

Just wondering if anyone MIGHT have some bright ideas that I haven't
tried - ya know, breath of fresh air kinda thing...

Cheers and Beers and morphine for the pink haired queers! (g)
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Arthur yawed wildly as his skin tried to jump one way and 
his skeleton the other, whilst his brain tried to work out 
which of his ears it most wanted to crawl out of.
`Bet you weren't expecting to see me again,' said the 
monster, which Arthur couldn't help thinking was a strange 
remark for it to make, seeing as he had never met the 
creature before. He could tell that he hadn't met the 
creature before from the simple fact that he was able to 
sleep at nights. 

- Arthur discovering who had diverted him from going to a 
party. 

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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 09:51, Tsyko wrote:
 Only one processor
 
 Apparently not
 
 Is there a way to make it work?
 
 
 
did you not say this was an enterprise kernel? ? post the output from
the command mentioned below?


 
 On Saturday, 28 June 2003 11:21, ed tharp wrote:
  On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 00:11, Aron Smith wrote:
   On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 05:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:23:03 +0200

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
  can any one tell me how i know if mandrake is using my
  hyper-threaded machine?

 Ask it politely?
   
I tried but id didn't listen. Maybe I spoke into the wrong port?
  
   Well you could threaten it with winXP.
 
  what does (as root, in a text console, without the quotes)cat
  /proc/interrupts say? and unless you are useing the SMP kernel, don't
  expect hyperthreading to work
 
 
 
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Re: [newbie] Sylpheed install

On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 08:32, Anders Lind wrote:
  I found that I preferred the 0.8.3 version of Sylpheed-claws which I'm
  using under mdk 9.0 but the install fails for 9.1.
  It wants libcrypto.so.2 and libssl.so.2
  I've googled and found that these files are provided by openssl.
  MCC tells me that openssl is installed and I'm having no luck finding
  the two files.
  I've tried the rpm query - whatprovides' which tells me no package
  provides either file.
  Can someone point me in the right direction?
 
 
 Hello Curt,
 
 I suggest you ask the question on the Sylpheed Claws mailinglist, it might
 be dependant of a newer version even though it sounds strange, have you
 downloaded the tarball and compiled it instead?
 
 Best Regards,
 Anders

Hi Anders,
No just got the rpm..I'll get the tarball and try that and try the
mailing list too.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Curt


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Re: [newbie] Print manager

2003-06-28 Per discussione christian

Hi,

You can add an special button in the systray (i'm using KDE as my
current desktop) called printing system or so (sorry, i've got the
spanish KDE localized version and i don't know exactly how it's called
in english). By clicking in one of the little up-arrows in the KDE task
menu, select pannel menu  add  special button  printing system. A
menu-button (button that expands a menu) with a printer in it will be
placed in the kde bar, and you can easily administrate your printer jobs
clicking in the menu entry with your printer name --and even configure
it through preferences or printing administration.

You can also start the printer jobs administrator by typing

kjobviewer

in the console.

You can access, as derek says, to a web browser interface using the URI
he posted. But using Konqueror -and only Konqueror- just type print:/ to
access to different printer related services, or print:/jobs to see your
printer jobs status, although you're using LDP instead of CUPS. 

Personally, I don't like web interfaces very much -- it's slower



(Sorry for my bad english... :)


El sáb, 28 de 06 de 2003 a las 14:34, Derek Jennings escribió:
 I should have also mentioned that you can view print jobs using any browser on 
 your local network with the CUPS administration tool simply by entering
 http://localhost:631   (replace localhost with IP address if using a different 
 computer)
 
 On previous versions of Mandrake I was able to cancel jobs using the CUPS 
 admin tool, but for some reason I cannot with 9.1  YMMV
 
 derek
 
 On Sunday 29 Jun 2003 4:10 am, Chris Knewstubb wrote:
  Hi All,
 
  I am using Mandarke 9.1. I am  a home desktop user. So far I have got
  everything up and running, and feeeling pretty pleased with myself.
  However, what I am missing is a print manager , or some point and click
  way of killing of print jobs - my printer is an Epson Stylus Colour 400.
  Any tips appreciated.
 
  Cheers,
  Chris K

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Re: [newbie] Another petition

2003-06-28 Per discussione mooney

On 28 Jun 2003 at 23:27, Stephen Kuhn wrote:

 On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 21:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In protest at the 'Microsoft tax' -cannot (in many places) buy a 
  computer without windows, but cannot get a refund when you refuse 
  license.
  
  http://www.windowsrefund.net
  
  Details under What's happening (court case against Toshiba 
  (America) in New York rescheduled for June 30th)
  
  Paul M.
 
 This is one of the bits in the XP EULA that I always find rather, er,
 scary - at best...
 QUOTE FROM XP EULA
 
 You may also need to reactivate the Product if you modify
 your computer hardware or alter the Product. There are
 technological measures in this Product that are designed
 to prevent unlicensed or illegal use of the Product. 
 You agree that we may use those measures.
 
 /END QUOTE
 
 The term draconian constantly comes to mind here...
 
 -- 


Not to forgetting the bit that says that MS can download anything it 
wants to your PC for any purpose.

You acknowledge and agree that Microsoft may automatically check the 
version of the OS Product and/or its components that you are 
utilizing and may provide upgrades or fixes to the OS Product that 
will be automatically downloaded to your computer (copyright MS)

Paul M.

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Re: [newbie] Sylpheed install

2003-06-28 Per discussione Anders Lind

 Hi Anders,
 No just got the rpm..I'll get the tarball and try that and try the
 mailing list too.
 Thanks for the suggestions.
 Curt

You're welcome, let us know how it works out for you

/Anders

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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

the output is as follows:

   CPU0
  0:  22116IO-APIC-edge  timer
  1:  7IO-APIC-edge  keyboard
  2:  0  XT-PIC  cascade
  8:  1IO-APIC-edge  rtc
 14:  12291IO-APIC-edge  ide0
 15: 84IO-APIC-edge  ide1
 16:   3558   IO-APIC-level  ide2, ide4, usb-uhci, usb-uhci
 18:   2026   IO-APIC-level  usb-uhci, Audigy
 19:  2   IO-APIC-level  usb-uhci, ohci1394
 22:267   IO-APIC-level  eth0
 23:  0   IO-APIC-level  ehci-hcd
NMI:  0
LOC:  22062
ERR:  0
MIS:  0



On Saturday, 28 June 2003 13:38, ed tharp wrote:
 On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 09:51, Tsyko wrote:
  Only one processor
 
  Apparently not
 
  Is there a way to make it work?

 did you not say this was an enterprise kernel? ? post the output from
 the command mentioned below?

  On Saturday, 28 June 2003 11:21, ed tharp wrote:
   On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 00:11, Aron Smith wrote:
On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 05:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:23:03 +0200
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
   can any one tell me how i know if mandrake is using my
   hyper-threaded machine?
 
  Ask it politely?

 I tried but id didn't listen. Maybe I spoke into the wrong port?
   
Well you could threaten it with winXP.
  
   what does (as root, in a text console, without the quotes)cat
   /proc/interrupts say? and unless you are useing the SMP kernel, don't
   expect hyperthreading to work
 
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Re: [newbie] Sylpheed install

2003-06-28 Per discussione JoeHill

On 28 Jun 2003 08:43:53 -0500
Curt Tresenriter [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 No just got the rpm..I'll get the tarball and try that and try the
 mailing list too.

the problem is the prebuilt rpm has all those features enables (ssl,
crypto, etc.), so if you don't need those, the source will compile and
install easily. Just do ./configure, make, make install as usual.

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[newbie] Human language translation software

2003-06-28 Per discussione Warren Post

Can anyone point me to language translation software, like (for example)
English to Spanish? qtrans is on the installation disks but I need
something far more robust than that. All I can find on freshmeat and
sourceforge are web based services, and I'm looking for something I can
run locally and tweak.
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Re: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

2003-06-28 Per discussione Robin Turner

Stephen Kuhn wrote:
On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 06:53, Robin Turner wrote:


Watch what you say about the Taliban, mate.  They might not take too 
kindly to being compared with Microsoft ;-)

Sir Robin


...er, can the Taliban members READ?
A lot of them are very well-educated (and I'm not talking about all that 
training they got in Pakistan thanks to the CIA).  The word taliban 
derives from talep, meaning student.  They're probably not up to 
following this list, though.

Sir Robin

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RE: [newbie] Sound working! How to load at boot up?

2003-06-28 Per discussione Grant


 On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 17:32, Grant wrote:
  I got the ESS Maestro sound card working on my Dell Inspiron 7500 laptop
  last night.  All I have to enter now to make it work is:
 
  modprobe snd-es1968;modprobe snd-pcm-oss;modprobe snd-mixer-oss;modprobe
  snd-seq-oss
 
  and then raise the aumix volume.  What can I do to have the above take
  place at boot up so I don't have to enter it each time?  The ALSA docs

 You can add that to /etc/rc.local
 To get aumix loading properly, add
 aumix -L

 Paul

Thanks for the info.  When I do that and try to play a WAV in Linux, it
plays but I don't hear anything.  THEN, when I start Win4Lin, the Windows
startup sound does play and I have full sound in Win4Lin.  THEN, when I go
back to Linux, I have full sound there.  Weird huh?  Can you guys help or is
this a question for the Win4Lin list?

- Grant

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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

2003-06-28 Per discussione MWafkowski

Hello, hello, is there anyone out there? There's a bunch of armed guys
surrounding my house wearing kind of, well, butterfly suits. My phone's been
shutdown and I don't think their intentions are good. I was hoping it was
just a flashback thing from the good old days. Since a round came through
the window I'm thinking not. Just sent the family into the basement and I'm
crouched on the floor with my laptop and a Phillips  head.

Send help!

MRW

- Original Message -
From: Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mandrake Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] hyper threading


 On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 05:45, MWafkowski wrote:
  Joe - Now wait...I respect your opinions and you bring up some troubling
  issues.
 
  On me little home network here I've got seven machines, three Linux, two
XP,
  one Win 2000 and
  this scrawny little p133 laptop I'm writing on with Win 98.
 
  Do I have to worry about interbreeding across the LAN?! Anxiously
awaiting
  your instrucions.
 
  Peace,
  Mike Wafkowski

 Oy - I thought that SOMWEWHERE within the M$ EULA it strictly prohibits
 having an unlicensed home network - especially a home network SHARING
 ANYTHING AT ALL as it's against the EULA  to share
 data/information/files between the Windows OS and ANOTHER OS -
 specifically one that's illegal.

 I assume you've got your M$ license for both the XP machines AND the one
 Win2k machine AND the Win98 machine? AND you've got the licenses either
 taped to the CPU or readily available should the M$ License Patrol stop
 by for a quick check up?

 I'd truly hate to think that you MIGHT be running not only an ILLEGAL OS
 like LINUX, but having bootlegged copies of LEGAL SOFTWARE like
 Windows...

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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

2003-06-28 Per discussione MWafkowski

Stephen -- Hey, hey, I'm the one who has to close his eyes at night with the
boxes humming and staring at me as I sleep...let's not get them two riled up
here...shesh.

Mike Wafkowski

- Original Message -
From: Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mandrake Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 3:58 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] hyper threading

 On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 08:04, Phares wrote:
  I have two XP boxes, Two OSx boxes, one OS9 laptop,
  one OS 8 server, One win2000 laptop, a 4 machine linux
  cluster, and a playstation 2 on my home Lan, the only
  issue I've noticed is that my power bills can get
  pretty expensive. (Luckily half the computers are my
  roomies)

  No interbreeding yet.

  The cluster however talks quietly behind my back about
  how to destroy my pet fish... I just know it.

 I'm rather surprised at how you can take a wonderfully built LAN like
 that and put two Windows machines on ityech...All that wonderful
 runs like a champ OS+hardware and then two Windows machines.

 BTW, care must be taken in the keeping of clusters; with pets and small
 children, they cannot be trusted.

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[newbie] neat trick: man completion

Haven't seen it before, but very useful:

To use word completion with man, hit ESC !.

IE:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] huff]$ man pk   here i hit ESC !
pk2bm   pkg-config  pkill   pktogf  pktopbm pktype

and it gave all the solutions.

This is straight out of the ML 9.0 Command line manual (p19).

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Re: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

JoeHill wrote:

  whats next? winux???
 
 Thanks. I'm gonna have nightmares tonight...

Joe, i rarely LOL reading email, but when i do, it's often your fault!

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Re: [newbie] make install

I find dereks explanation the easiest to follow, especially for a newbie:

http://www.jennings.homelinux.net/modules.php?name=Sectionsop=viewarticleartid=10

Works like a charm

eric

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:40:42 +0100
Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Friday 27 Jun 2003 11:05 pm, Tsyko wrote:
  probably a very stupid question but if i don´t ask i won´t learn
 
 
  If i type ´make install´ to install a application is there a way to
  uninstall that program?
 
  thanks
 
 make uninstall
 
 Trouble is authors do not always define make uninstall, and even if they do 
 you have to keep the directory you used to compile the application for when 
 you might want to uninstall.
 
 My preferred solution is to use 'checkinstall' to convert the compiled code 
 into an RPM which can easily be uninstalled at a future date.
 Checkinstall is on the CDs (or is it in contrib)
 http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/
 
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Re: [newbie] Multiboot on same drive

Johan Scheepers wrote:

OK sorry - new - no OS..
If it is new you can install/remove at your hearts contend - it will make
you confident and see for yourself what happens.
I see some suggestions write to stiffy etc - what I found with my test that
the first time around there was no choice - not what I could detect.
The second time around after 3rd disk you have a choice like skip and a few
others.
Johan
 

So the really important thing is that after the first M9.1 install is 
complete you earn the right to skip lilo install. Not very convenient 
for those linux users that only want to boot off floppies, but it should 
enable me to skip second lilo install, thanks,

John

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Re: [newbie] Dual-boot same OS

Johan Scheepers wrote:

Hi John,
I installed mdk9.1 three times.
Option auto / expert never came up.
Insert CD1 , run to splash screen, choose F1, run to prompt, type
expert, then enter, gives you expert install in graphical mode(or whaterver)

Option to config or skip bootloader will came up after 3rd disk.

How ?

ONLY on 2nd and 3rd install.

How ?

It seems that on first time around you have no
choice?
As one would expect !

The next config option for bootloader will come up on the bottom of the
screen

Which window ?

where you can config a lot of stuff.
Select this option and on the screen that appear select ADVANCE

I know it,

to be able
to select option for bootdisk.
After bootdisk is made you have option to config lilo -
here you have to make some choices.

Choices ?

If you are not succesful here and you
have a bootdisk you can modify the lilo.conf after reboot.
Well yes, but it would be better not to install lilo at all on second
attempt.

Here you have to look closely to configuration manner see below for this
installation.. Refer to my previous postings
sure,

Please after first install and reboot mark this install somewhere so that
you will know which is which. They look the same and is very confusing.
I always do.

Also
mark the second install.
Should you mount the non-live OS you must use full path to move around in
it.
Well all this goes in your final active /etc/lilo.conf to either boot
one, and mount the other as the case may be. I just want the active
/etc/lilo.conf to be the first M9.1 install and remain so.

It is not really importend which partition is installed first and that the
lilo is written to MBR the next will overwrite it.
Youcann ot stop this then ?

What is importent is the
way your lilo.conf will be written in the end - by mdk or yourself.
yes and no, depends if your happy with booting off the lilo.conf of the
second M9.1 install.

Suggest - cd /etc su.
Now there is some ways to use lilo.
Like - to see how now -- lilo -q
To see if your changes is legal without changing -- lilo -t
If you need more info lilo -t -v.
Be sure to backup your file before changes.
I enjoyed this testing - this is how I found out when to make bootdisk
before rebooting install and it also made me more confident.
Enjoy
Johan

OK, now this,

Look closely to this image and initrd*
image=/mnt/linuxhde-7/boot/vmlinuz
label=linuxhde7
root=/dev/hde7
initrd=/mnt/linuxhde-7/boot/initrd-2.4.21-0.13mdk.img
read-only

This looks really wierd to me, I'm not sure if I understand it.

image=/mnt/linuxhde-7/boot/vmlinuz

says, go look for the kernel to boot in /mnt/linuxhde-7
which must be some strange way of saying hde7 , boot directory, select kernel vmlinuz.
and again,

initrd=/mnt/linuxhde-7/boot/initrd-2.4.21-0.13mdk.img

use initrd in hde7 's /boot directory.

Now would this also work for me when I have a /boot partition.(hda5 if my memory serves me correctly)?

Which means all kernel and initrd files are in /dev/hda5 (or whaterver)
So I have the simpler task of writing all /etc/lilo.conf entries to use
kernel and init.rd files in the same /dev/hda5(or whatever). I still
think my way is easier, keep to the one /boot partition, where all these
files go for all the linux OS's, and what is more the installer puts
them there automatically.

John

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Re: [newbie] Sylpheed install

2003-06-28 Per discussione Paul

On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 18:33, Curt Tresenriter wrote:

 I'm confused... sorry if this is a stupid question but, it seems you're
 saying that the files actually aren't necessary but since they are
 enabled and can't be found, the install stops, no?

The executable will call functions from certain libraries. If these libs
are not there, the binary won't be able to run. Therefor the installer
will first check if everything is present. Otherwise you sit there
looking at an installed program that won't run.

 I'm not understanding why it installed in 9.0 with no problem but not in
 9.1 (not that it matters but I have this need to know
   Just do ./configure, make, make install as usual.
 
 
 scratches noggin'
 I'm a little confused/ignorant on this compiling from source issue too.
 I've gathered that's it's not difficult but having never done it... 

As soon as you tar xfzv file tar will create a subdir in the directory
where your prompt is, e.g.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] tar xfzv tarfile

will make a subdir tarfile in directory computer.

 I have the tarball (.tgz), before I do 'tar xvzf filename, does it
 matter where the file is? eg. it's in a download directory under
 /home/curt right now, do I unpack it there and continue with
 ./configure, etc... or move it somewhere first, then cd to that dir and
 proceed?

Just unpack it where you want it.
You can tar x it in /home/curt/download, getting
/home/curt/download/sylpheed...  From there you can ./configure etc.

 And, once the install is done, those files can be deleted from the
 download dir or wherever they end up... correct?

Right.

 Thanks for your help.
 I'm looking forward to the day when I can give back to those as green as
 I am today.

We all had to learn. :)  And now we spread the knowledge. The more the
merrier!

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Re: [newbie] neat trick: man completion

2003-06-28 Per discussione Ronald J. Hall

On Saturday 28 June 2003 12:58 pm, Eric Huff wrote:
 Haven't seen it before, but very useful:

 To use word completion with man, hit ESC !.

 IE:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] huff]$ man pk   here i hit ESC !
 pk2bm   pkg-config  pkill   pktogf  pktopbm pktype

 and it gave all the solutions.

 This is straight out of the ML 9.0 Command line manual (p19).

 eric

Hey Eric. Just curious, I have to hit esc twice here, and it asks if I want 
to display all 102 possibilities :-0

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Re: [newbie] Sylpheed install


 We all had to learn. :)  And now we spread the knowledge. The more the
 merrier!
 
 Paul

And I'm off!
Thanks Paul
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[newbie] libdvdcss install

Is there any particular version of libdvdcss it has got to be to work 
with all players in mandrake ?

John

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Re: [newbie] removing dual boot option...have a computer with tons of problems



If you boot of the windows cd again go to the dos prompt and type ´fdisk /mbr´ 
without the quotes and this should take away the lilo partioning...

That´s how I have done it in the past.

Tsyko


On Saturday, 28 June 2003 17:36, Michael wrote:
 ok, i've got some problems here.  my laptop had been giving me problems for
 a while.  i had dropped it after getting my PC (which is 3x faster), and
 broke the latch on the CD drive.  well, i fixed that.  the display is also
 funky now, but with an external moniter, it's fine.  well..

 i couldn't get windows to go through an install.  was having problems with
 it. it kept locking up.  well, the hard drive had been formatted during the
 windows 98se install, so i couldn't get into windows.  so i attempted to
 see if i was having hardware or software problems.  my solution...install
 linux md9.1.  well, i cleared out the partitions on the hard drive (was
 split in 2 when windows was installed).  i then went and let linux take the
 entire 4gb hard drive.  the install went over fine.  i booted into KDE and
 everything was good.  well, then i decided i needed to try windows again,
 as the PC is the primary computer and i was trying to get the laptop up and
 running again so myself and the wife could use it with windows (more for
 her than me really).  so i went and started a re-install of linux, got to
 the
 partitioning section, formatted the hard drive completely, restarted the
 laptop, and went and started with a windows install.  the windows install
 went over smoothly, or so i thought.  the laptop started up after the
 install, and it went to the linux boot options.  Houston, we have a
 problem.  there's no option for windows, and linux isn't on the laptop
 anymore.  ok, thought i could handle this...i went and restarted with
 the windows CD, went into MSDOS, deleted the hard drive, re-installed the
 hard drive, restarted the laptop with the windows Cd in again.  it then
 told me that the hard drive was not formatted and i needed to format to
 continue with an install.  i thought i had fixed it.  re-installed windows.
  rebooted the systemthe linux dual boot option came up again!  the hard
 drive was 100% unconditionally formatted according to windows.

 so did i really make a big mistake?  the drive was set as a FAT32 drive.  i
 don't know how to go in and remove the dual boot option so i can just put
 plain old windows on the laptop again.

 to anyone that can help, please keep in mind that you are giving advice to
 someone that knows NOTHING about programming.  i'm COMPLETELY new to this
 stuff.  i've said it in other e-mails to the list recently, but i'll say it
 againbasic linux starts in a week or so and until that starts, i'm
 completely clueless about programming.

 have i completely ruined my laptop for windows now?  if i have, it's bitter
 sweet, because it'll give me a computer to experiment on with linux
 programming before i go and mess up the PC, but i'd like to have windows
 back on it again and have 2 computers in the house.  thanks to all!

 Mike


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Re: [newbie] removing dual boot option...have a computer with tons of problems

2003-06-28 Per discussione Michael

On Saturday 28 June 2003 03:57 pm, Tsyko wrote:
 If you boot of the windows cd again go to the dos prompt and type ´fdisk
 /mbr´ without the quotes and this should take away the lilo partioning...

 That´s how I have done it in the past.


THANK YOU!

it works now.  i'm happier now  :)

now i have to diagnose hardware and see what it's power problems are although 
it could've been software problems.  once i figure that out, it's time to try 
to find an ethernet card for it to hook it up to the router and get it 
onilne.  thanks again!

Mike

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[newbie] removing dual boot option...have a computer with tons of problems

2003-06-28 Per discussione Michael

ok, i've got some problems here.  my laptop had been giving me problems for a 
while.  i had dropped it after getting my PC (which is 3x faster), and broke 
the latch on the CD drive.  well, i fixed that.  the display is also funky 
now, but with an external moniter, it's fine.  well..   

i couldn't get windows to go through an install.  was having problems with it.  
it kept locking up.  well, the hard drive had been formatted during the 
windows 98se install, so i couldn't get into windows.  so i attempted to see 
if i was having hardware or software problems.  my solution...install linux 
md9.1.  well, i cleared out the partitions on the hard drive (was split in 2 
when windows was installed).  i then went and let linux take the entire 4gb 
hard drive.  the install went over fine.  i booted into KDE and everything 
was good.  well, then i decided i needed to try windows again, as the PC is 
the primary computer and i was trying to get the laptop up and running again 
so myself and the wife could use it with windows (more for her than me 
really).  so i went and started a re-install of linux, got to the 
partitioning section, formatted the hard drive completely, restarted the 
laptop, and went and started with a windows install.  the windows install 
went over smoothly, or so i thought.  the laptop started up after the 
install, and it went to the linux boot options.  Houston, we have a 
problem.  there's no option for windows, and linux isn't on the laptop 
anymore.  ok, thought i could handle this...i went and restarted with the 
windows CD, went into MSDOS, deleted the hard drive, re-installed the hard 
drive, restarted the laptop with the windows Cd in again.  it then told me 
that the hard drive was not formatted and i needed to format to continue with 
an install.  i thought i had fixed it.  re-installed windows.  rebooted the 
systemthe linux dual boot option came up again!  the hard drive was 100% 
unconditionally formatted according to windows.

so did i really make a big mistake?  the drive was set as a FAT32 drive.  i 
don't know how to go in and remove the dual boot option so i can just put 
plain old windows on the laptop again.  

to anyone that can help, please keep in mind that you are giving advice to 
someone that knows NOTHING about programming.  i'm COMPLETELY new to this 
stuff.  i've said it in other e-mails to the list recently, but i'll say it 
againbasic linux starts in a week or so and until that starts, i'm 
completely clueless about programming.  

have i completely ruined my laptop for windows now?  if i have, it's bitter 
sweet, because it'll give me a computer to experiment on with linux 
programming before i go and mess up the PC, but i'd like to have windows 
back on it again and have 2 computers in the house.  thanks to all!

Mike

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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

2003-06-28 Per discussione Dennis Myers

On Saturday 28 June 2003 11:26 am, Tsyko wrote:
 the output is as follows:

CPU0
   0:  22116IO-APIC-edge  timer
   1:  7IO-APIC-edge  keyboard
   2:  0  XT-PIC  cascade
   8:  1IO-APIC-edge  rtc
  14:  12291IO-APIC-edge  ide0
  15: 84IO-APIC-edge  ide1
  16:   3558   IO-APIC-level  ide2, ide4, usb-uhci, usb-uhci
  18:   2026   IO-APIC-level  usb-uhci, Audigy
  19:  2   IO-APIC-level  usb-uhci, ohci1394
  22:267   IO-APIC-level  eth0
  23:  0   IO-APIC-level  ehci-hcd
 NMI:  0
 LOC:  22062
 ERR:  0
 MIS:  0

 On Saturday, 28 June 2003 13:38, ed tharp wrote:
  On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 09:51, Tsyko wrote:
   Only one processor
  
   Apparently not
  
   Is there a way to make it work?
 
  did you not say this was an enterprise kernel? ? post the output from
  the command mentioned below?
 
   On Saturday, 28 June 2003 11:21, ed tharp wrote:
On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 00:11, Aron Smith wrote:
 On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 05:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:23:03 +0200
  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
can any one tell me how i know if mandrake is using my
hyper-threaded machine?
  
   Ask it politely?
 
  I tried but id didn't listen. Maybe I spoke into the wrong port?

 Well you could threaten it with winXP.
   
what does (as root, in a text console, without the quotes)cat
/proc/interrupts say? and unless you are useing the SMP kernel,
don't expect hyperthreading to work
  
   __
  
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kernel release?  Like what Stephen implied.  That kernel will be out soon.
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[newbie] Security flaw in VMWare 4 for Linux

2003-06-28 Per discussione Adolfo Bello

Hi there:

Users of vmware 4 for linux should take a look at the link below and see
how this can affect or compromise their machines:

http://www.vmware.com/support/kb/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1019

Saludos,

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[newbie] defragmentation

Ok you can all laugh now...


does linux need to be defragmented ?

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[newbie] USB digital camera?

2003-06-28 Per discussione Grant

I'm going to go take some photos right now.  Is it going to be able to
upload to Mandrake?  Any tips?

- Grant


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Re: [newbie] Print manager

xvprint is good, too, for killing jobs...

 However, what I am missing is a print manager , or some point and click 
 way of killing of print jobs - my printer is an Epson Stylus Colour 400. 

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[newbie] problem compiling

when i try to compile a game called kpacman i get the following error

checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (= Qt 2.2.2) (headers and libraries) 
not found. Please check your installation!

I have no idea what package needs to be updated...

please help

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Re: [newbie] defragmentation

2003-06-28 Per discussione David E Fox

 does linux need to be defragmented ?

No. Linux uses filesystems that are very fragmentation resistant, for
various degrees of 'very'.



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Re: [newbie] hyper threading

2003-06-28 Per discussione Marc Oestreicher



  On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 08:04, Phares wrote:
  I have two XP boxes, Two OSx boxes, one OS9 laptop,
  one OS 8 server, One win2000 laptop, a 4 machine linux
  cluster, and a playstation 2 on my home Lan, the only
  issue I've noticed is that my power bills can get
  pretty expensive. (Luckily half the computers are my
  roomies)
 
  No interbreeding yet.
 
  The cluster however talks quietly behind my back about
  how to destroy my pet fish... I just know it.


  Now it may be the fish but what after that? Your roomie, you, your 
neighbor, the town and then the world. QUICK pull the plug before 
it's too late. Make it to the power mains if you still can, while 
there is still time. Before the cluster grows before it's too late.

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Re: [newbie] Booting dos + dos + linux

Johan Scheepers wrote:

Hi,
I am trying to to install and boot dos + dos + linux with lilo.
This is just for learning.
Don't bother, you cannot, Windblows has to be in charge of all it's own 
booting, therfore lilo hands it over to windblows.

I read thruogh all lilo docs and manual but I do not seam to find it. Maybe
it is there but I do not understand.
I done the following.
Create 2 dos primary partitions - dos fdisk refuses.
Done it with part/Magic - if you try now fdisk marks it non-dos - refuses to
make it active so can not install dos on second pri part.
Funny dos is quite happy to install 2 same dos versions if the second part
is is logical.
The problem now is that lilo can not boot the second dos.
Lilo is quite happy to boot dos - linux - linux.
It's not lilo it's dos that's not happy.

Technically it is possible to boot all linux OS's from windblows 
bootloader, I did it once a long time ago, but frankly it's not worth it 
, it's tedious and time consuming to do and the lilo/dos chain 
bootloader method is far easier and more convenient. No stilck to lilo - 
windblows.

John

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Re: [newbie] defragmentation

2003-06-28 Per discussione newarts

No, but it would be very usefull if the most experienced ppl on this mail
list
would give us an explanation or some usefull links on this matter, why ext
doesn`t need defragmentation ...
Thanks in advance for your understanding.

Regards from
newArTs.
- Original Message -
From: Tsyko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 11:39 PM
Subject: [newbie] defragmentation


 Ok you can all laugh now...


 does linux need to be defragmented ?

 Tsyko








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Re: [newbie] defragmentation

2003-06-28 Per discussione Paul

On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 22:39, Tsyko wrote:
 Ok you can all laugh now...

Okay, if it humors you: laugh laugh  ;)

 does linux need to be defragmented ?

Nope. EXT2 etc. take care of that themselves, since the 'Linux' approach
of storing files is different from the way M$-dos does this.

Paul
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Re: [newbie] defragmentation

Another good reason why linux rocks...


This is da bomb

On Saturday, 28 June 2003 18:50, Paul wrote:
 On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 22:39, Tsyko wrote:
  Ok you can all laugh now...

 Okay, if it humors you: laugh laugh  ;)

  does linux need to be defragmented ?

 Nope. EXT2 etc. take care of that themselves, since the 'Linux' approach
 of storing files is different from the way M$-dos does this.

 Paul


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Re: [newbie] removing dual boot option...have a computer with tonsof problems

2003-06-28 Per discussione mike

did you do a fdisk /mbr before reinstalling windows?

this removes lilo from the master boot record, which is necessary if you 
are going to have a windows drive again.

if lilo still shows up as you said, it has to be removed.

boot with a windows98 boot floppy and at the prompt type :

A:\fdisk /mbr hit enter and you can install windows again if it doesn't 
come up now.

anytime you install linux and remove it you have to do this if you want 
to go back to windows. ( unless you don't install lilo )

Mike

Michael wrote:
ok, i've got some problems here. 
 snip 

Mike





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== 

 Dual booting 98lite;MDK 9.1 stock kernel Kde 3.1
 Registered Linux User #248955 liquid/acqua  Theme
==
If obstacles are what you see in your path...
Then you have lost sight of your goal! 

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[newbie] urpmi... once more

Just as I was about to go to town on this sylpheed tarball, I read
Eric's post on 'make install' - then Derek's page on checkinstall.
Decided that was a good idea 9building an RPM from a tarball) so I did
urpmi checkinstall - it reported two dependencies, I said yes and it
failed saying some files were missing and that I might want to update my
urpmi database. So I said 'urpmi.update local' tried urpmi checkinstall
again and get the same message.
I must be missing something here - besides the files, which are:

/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/libcheckinstall1-1.5.3-1mdk.noarch.rpm
/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/checkinstall-1.5.3-1mdk.noarch.rpm

Where do I go from here?
thanks
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RE: [newbie] USB digital camera?

2003-06-28 Per discussione Grant


 I'm going to go take some photos right now.  Is it going to be able to
 upload to Mandrake?  Any tips?

 - Grant

Wow, in Windows I have to install a driver for it, but in Mandrake it popped
right up as soon as it was plugged in.  Sweet!

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RE: [newbie] defragmentation

2003-06-28 Per discussione Frankie

not unless you use JFS filesystem...

and don't do that cos SCO will sue your ass, as its one of the things they
claim IBM stole and gave to linux.

rgds

Franki

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, 29 June 2003 4:40 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] defragmentation


Ok you can all laugh now...


does linux need to be defragmented ?

Tsyko



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Re: [newbie] Dual-boot same OS

2003-06-28 Per discussione Johan Scheepers

This is why linux is so good - there are so many different ways to reach the
same point. If it works for you, sure thats good.
I am glad for the stuff I learned from this experiment.
Johan

- Original Message - 
From: John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual-boot same OS

 Johan Scheepers wrote:

 Hi John,
 I installed mdk9.1 three times.
 Option auto / expert never came up.

 Insert CD1 , run to splash screen, choose F1, run to prompt, type
 expert, then enter, gives you expert install in graphical mode(or
whaterver)

 Option to config or skip bootloader will came up after 3rd disk.

 How ?

 ONLY on 2nd and 3rd install.

 How ?

 It seems that on first time around you have no
 choice?

 As one would expect !

 The next config option for bootloader will come up on the bottom of the
 screen

 Which window ?

 where you can config a lot of stuff.
 Select this option and on the screen that appear select ADVANCE

 I know it,

 to be able
 to select option for bootdisk.
 After bootdisk is made you have option to config lilo -
 here you have to make some choices.

 Choices ?

 If you are not succesful here and you
 have a bootdisk you can modify the lilo.conf after reboot.

 Well yes, but it would be better not to install lilo at all on second
 attempt.

 Here you have to look closely to configuration manner see below for this
 installation.. Refer to my previous postings

 sure,

 Please after first install and reboot mark this install somewhere so that
 you will know which is which. They look the same and is very confusing.

 I always do.

  Also
 mark the second install.
 Should you mount the non-live OS you must use full path to move around in
 it.

 Well all this goes in your final active /etc/lilo.conf to either boot
 one, and mount the other as the case may be. I just want the active
 /etc/lilo.conf to be the first M9.1 install and remain so.

 It is not really importend which partition is installed first and that
the
 lilo is written to MBR the next will overwrite it.

 Youcann ot stop this then ?

  What is importent is the
 way your lilo.conf will be written in the end - by mdk or yourself.

 yes and no, depends if your happy with booting off the lilo.conf of the
 second M9.1 install.

 Suggest - cd /etc su.
 Now there is some ways to use lilo.
 Like - to see how now --  lilo -q
 To see if your changes is legal without changing --   lilo -t
 If you need more info lilo -t -v.
 Be sure to backup your file before changes.
 I enjoyed this testing - this is how I found out when to make bootdisk
 before rebooting install and it also made me more confident.
 Enjoy
 Johan

 OK, now this,

 Look closely to this image and initrd*
 image=/mnt/linuxhde-7/boot/vmlinuz
  label=linuxhde7
  root=/dev/hde7
  initrd=/mnt/linuxhde-7/boot/initrd-2.4.21-0.13mdk.img
  read-only

 This looks really wierd to me, I'm not sure if I understand it.

 image=/mnt/linuxhde-7/boot/vmlinuz

 says, go look for the kernel to boot in /mnt/linuxhde-7
 which must be some strange way of saying hde7 , boot directory, select
kernel vmlinuz.

 and again,

 initrd=/mnt/linuxhde-7/boot/initrd-2.4.21-0.13mdk.img

 use initrd in hde7 's /boot directory.

 Now would this also work for me when I have a /boot partition.(hda5 if my
memory serves me correctly)?

 Which means all kernel and initrd files are in /dev/hda5 (or whaterver)
 So I have the simpler task of writing all /etc/lilo.conf entries to use
 kernel and init.rd files in the same /dev/hda5(or whatever). I still
 think my way is easier, keep to the one /boot partition, where all these
 files go for all the linux OS's, and what is more the installer puts
 them there automatically.

 John

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Re: [newbie] Booting dos + dos + linux

2003-06-28 Per discussione Johan Scheepers

Sorry I expressed myself badly.
I want to boot this with lilo.
Johan

- Original Message - 
From: John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Booting dos + dos + linux

 Johan Scheepers wrote:

 Hi,
 I am trying to to install and boot dos + dos + linux with lilo.
 This is just for learning.

 Don't bother, you cannot, Windblows has to be in charge of all it's own
 booting, therfore lilo hands it over to windblows.

 I read thruogh all lilo docs and manual but I do not seam to find it.
Maybe
 it is there but I do not understand.
 I done the following.
 Create 2 dos primary partitions - dos fdisk refuses.
 Done it with part/Magic - if you try now fdisk marks it non-dos - refuses
to
 make it active so can not install dos on second pri part.
 Funny dos is quite happy to install 2 same dos versions if the second
part
 is is logical.
 The problem now is that lilo can not boot the second dos.
 Lilo is quite happy to boot dos - linux - linux.

 It's not lilo it's dos that's not happy.

 Technically it is possible to boot all linux OS's from windblows
 bootloader, I did it once a long time ago, but frankly it's not worth it
 , it's tedious and time consuming to do and the lilo/dos chain
 bootloader method is far easier and more convenient. No stilck to lilo -
 windblows.

 John

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Re: [newbie] USB digital camera?

2003-06-28 Per discussione Paul

On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 20:42, Grant wrote:
 I'm going to go take some photos right now.  Is it going to be able to
 upload to Mandrake?  Any tips?

Depends on your make and type of camera. You can check in Gphoto if it
is supported, or look at www.linux-usb.com (or org?) whether the kernel
understands your camera. My Ricoh Caplio is not supported :(
Paul
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Re: [newbie] Dual-boot same OS

2003-06-28 Per discussione Johan Scheepers

So there it is hiding - on my system and CD if I press F1 the system hangs
forever and even enter will not work.
Have to reset system but enter works when pressed first - this is a
downloaded version of mdk9.1 I buy from a firm that sells them.
Any ideas why?
Thanks
Johan
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From: John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual-boot same OS


 Johan Scheepers wrote:

 Hi John,
 I installed mdk9.1 three times.
 Option auto / expert never came up.
 
 Insert CD1 , run to splash screen, choose F1, run to prompt, type
 expert, then enter, gives you expert install in graphical mode(or
whaterver)

snip


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Re: [newbie] urpmi... once more

2003-06-28 Per discussione Charlie

quoting Curt Tresenriter; Saturday 28 June 2003 12:37 pm:
 Just as I was about to go to town on this sylpheed tarball, I read
 Eric's post on 'make install' - then Derek's page on checkinstall.
 Decided that was a good idea 9building an RPM from a tarball) so I did
 urpmi checkinstall - it reported two dependencies, I said yes and it
 failed saying some files were missing and that I might want to update my
 urpmi database. So I said 'urpmi.update local' tried urpmi checkinstall
 again and get the same message.
 I must be missing something here - besides the files, which are:

 /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/libcheckinstall1-1.5.3-1mdk.noarch.rpm
 /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/checkinstall-1.5.3-1mdk.noarch.rpm

 Where do I go from here?
 thanks
 Curt

Have you added a contrib software source? That's where those files come from 
I do believe. If you don't have contrib listed yet just use the 
http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon easy urpmi page to pick one. Then use the;

urpmi checkinstall

command again to install it.

If you're building RPMs from tarballs you'll want to set up a build directory 
and add that as a local source as well. Then you can install with urpmi from 
there after they're built and save some dependency grief. Just a suggestion.

Regards;
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Re: [newbie] problem compiling

2003-06-28 Per discussione David E Fox

 checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (= Qt 2.2.2) (headers and libraries) 
 not found. Please check your installation!

Did you install qt-devel RPM?


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Re: [newbie] defragmentation

2003-06-28 Per discussione David E Fox

 No, but it would be very usefull if the most experienced ppl on this mail
 list
 would give us an explanation or some usefull links on this matter, why ext

Well, google for ext2 and fragmentation. Among the more detailed
items is one from Suse - http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/ext2frag.html.



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Re: [newbie] Human language translation software

2003-06-28 Per discussione Brant Fitzsimmons

Warren Post wrote:

Can anyone point me to language translation software, like (for example)
English to Spanish? qtrans is on the installation disks but I need
something far more robust than that. All I can find on freshmeat and
sourceforge are web based services, and I'm looking for something I can
run locally and tweak.
  

Have you tried Kbabel?

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Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being
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Re: [newbie] Dual-boot same OS

Johan Scheepers wrote:

So there it is hiding - on my system and CD if I press F1 the system hangs
forever and even enter will not work.
I don't know why that is happening.It must be reading of CD1 to get to 
splash screen,so it's not a question of a rom drive,  driver, and you 
haven't even begun hardware detection, so it cannot be that. I have 
never know a hangup on selecting F1 at the splash screen.

Have to reset system but enter works when pressed first - this is a
downloaded version of mdk9.1 I buy from a firm that sells them.
I doubt there is anything wrong with the discs.

Any ideas why?

I wonder whether something in bios may be interfering. It's about all I 
can think of right now. Maybe someone else has a better idea?

Thanks
Johan
 



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Re: [newbie] Security flaw in VMWare 4 for Linux