[opensuse-factory] X broke in 10.3?

2007-12-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I have an HP Compaq nc6220 laptop display resolution 1400x1050. Intel GMA900
 graphics. I praised SuSE always in previous releases because it was the only
 distribution that correctly supported the resolution out of the box with no
 hacks needed. Now in 10.3 it broke. To make the resolution work each time I
 reload x server I need to use RandR to set the resolution. It defaults to
 1152x786 58hz. When I run SaX test it also says Screen (0) 1152 x 786
 however everything is configured right. Why did this break???
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[opensuse-factory] Misleading zypper error message

2007-12-22 Thread Joerg Mayer
Hello,

A recent zypper dup removed the gpg2 package from my system (I have no
idea why). When I later tried to update again I ended up with the following
error:

Checking whether to refresh metadata for factory
Downloading:
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/content
* Downloading [100%]
Downloading:
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/media.1/media
* Downloading [100%]
Refreshing 'factory'
Downloading:
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/content
* Downloading [100%]
Downloading:
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/media.1/media
* Downloading [100%]
Downloading:
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/media.1/media
* Downloading [100%]
Downloading:
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/content.asc
* Downloading [100%]
Downloading:
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/content.key
* Downloading [100%]
Repository 'factory' is invalid.
History:
 - File /var/cache/zypp/raw/factory4ezyR3/content.key doesn't contain public 
key data
 - Valid metadata not found at specified URL(s)
Please, check if the URLs defined for this repository are pointing to a valid 
repository.
Skipping repository 'factory' because of the above error.


The error message isn't really helpful. Should I open a bug requesting
a less misleading error message like gpg not found - couldn't verify
key?

 ciao
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Misleading zypper error message

2007-12-22 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Samstag 22 Dezember 2007 schrieb Joerg Mayer:

 The error message isn't really helpful. Should I open a bug requesting
 a less misleading error message like gpg not found - couldn't verify
 key?

I'd say, that depends. If rpm -V zypper libzypp is silent, then it's a bug in 
the package. But if the gpg2 is a missing dependency, then it's your fault / 
usual factory problem.

BTW: x86_64 still shows these problems as gpg2 is having issues - most likely
with the openldap update.

Greetings, Stephan


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*again*, sigh - Re: [opensuse-factory] ppc factory in stuck again?

2007-12-22 Thread Toni Harbaugh-Blackford


ppc appears to be stuck *again*, sigh.

I wouldn't be so picky about this, except that at the moment ppc 
factory is uninstallable
because of bug 346872.  This is *technically* marked as fixed in 
libzypp-4.1.6, which

was committed on 12/17.  But as yet libzypp-4.1.6 hasn't made it to
any part of the factory that I can see, although other items that were 
committed
at about the same time *have* made it (at least to the other 
architectures).


Does anybody have any idea what is up with the ppc factory sync, and 
also

libzypp-4.1.6?

Thanks,
Toni


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Hello,


Stephan Kulow wrote:


The ppc factory is not being updated again.



Is there a problem?









Hi,







Looks ok to me.


It was not synced out for more than a week, while x86 was regularly
updated (I'm also a mirror admin, so I see :-) ).

Bye,

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Re: *again*, sigh - Re: [opensuse-factory] ppc factory in stuck again?

2007-12-22 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Samstag 22 Dezember 2007 schrieb Toni Harbaugh-Blackford:
 ppc appears to be stuck *again*, sigh.

 I wouldn't be so picky about this, except that at the moment ppc
 factory is uninstallable
 because of bug 346872.  This is *technically* marked as fixed in

Don't worry. If it has been synced out, it would still be uninstallable
for other reasons :)

It's just the way factory works, the chance it works is still pretty high
for the many things that can go wrong.

But for your very specific problem, libzypp 4.1.6 does not build:
if you have a build service account, see
https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=openSUSE%3AFactorypackage=libzypp

Greetings, Stephan
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Re: [opensuse] how to turn off GUI on suse linux?

2007-12-22 Thread peter
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JJB wrote:

 Is there something like /etc/init.d/gui stop?

Nope, but you can do it two ways:

1. Edit /etc/inittab and change the default init to 3, or
2. Start yast2 change in System/sysconfig-Editor/Desktop/Display
manager/DISPLAYMANAGER the entry from kdm/gdm to console. Thus you will
stay in init 5 but kdm/gdm wont start.

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[opensuse] vbox and vmware compatibility

2007-12-22 Thread jdd

I installed Xp in vmware, before having the usb compatible virtualbox :-(

I read in the vb manual that it can open the vmware vmdk files, but 
when I try this it say no bootable system found


is there a way to use vmware disks with vbox?

thanks
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Re: [opensuse] Cron Job Problem

2007-12-22 Thread Donald D Henson
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
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 * Donald D Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [12-21-07 18:22]:
 Dave Howorth wrote:
 Another suggestion. Start YaST. Go to system, sysconfig editor, system,
 cron and set SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR to yes. Report back what gets output
 when the script runs.

 My apologies for posting the same problem twice. Even after being
 reminded, I don't remember posting it before. In any case, I'll try
 using FPN after I try your second suggestion. Don't want to change too
 many variables at once. The script should run tonight. I'll post what
 happens.
 
 they do not affect each other.  The variable only tells cron to report
 the status of your entry, the other explains to cron where to find the
 application.  Changing both at the same time does not have the effect
 you allude.  You *should* change both.

Hmmm. Something magic must have happened. The cron job ran and the
backup was updated. The only thing I changed was to set
SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR to Yes. (By the way, where does that mail get
sent?)I don't understand *why* it worked but it did work. Do you want to
leave it as is or would you like to see if we can figure out what happened?

Don Henson
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Re: [opensuse] Frozen Throne

2007-12-22 Thread G T Smith
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 Kaare Rasmussen pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
 Try this:  http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/459/  There are links to
 instructions, I did not check this out fully. Google is your friend, I 
 I did try something similar last time, to no avail. So I was hoping that
 someone here did have hands on experience.
 
 Have you tried playing Rocks and Diamonds? It's a strategy game that I
 first played on an Atari 800 I owned (still own).
 

Personally, in my off moments raid www.adandonia.com for orphaned DOS
games (and I believe some atari stuff on the site). Returning to past
bits of fun such as Elite II (now freeware), the Ultima series and early
Might and Magic stuff with DOSBOX does round off the odd slow day
somewhat :-).


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Re: [opensuse] Frozen Throne

2007-12-22 Thread Anders Johansson
On Saturday 22 December 2007 10:53:48 G T Smith wrote:
 Ken Schneider wrote:
  Kaare Rasmussen pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
  Try this:  http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/459/  There are links to
  instructions, I did not check this out fully. Google is your friend, I
 
  I did try something similar last time, to no avail. So I was hoping that
  someone here did have hands on experience.
 
  Have you tried playing Rocks and Diamonds? It's a strategy game that I
  first played on an Atari 800 I owned (still own).

 Personally, in my off moments raid www.adandonia.com

Should be www.abandonia.com

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[opensuse] Problen with SLES + postfix + sals+ ldap

2007-12-22 Thread Carlos

HEllo i am desperate and i dont kow how to solve my problem.
I have install the SLES 10, i have upodate online and i have install the 
SP1.
I want to configure one email server using postfix, sasl, cyrus and the 
autentication againts the ldap (localhot)

I have configure into the dns server (in the same server) 6 domains.
Into the email server (always using yast) y have configured the 6 domains, 
one master and the oherts (5) virutals.


the configuration is the next (only i writte what have i change):
SASLAUTHD_AUTHMECH=ldap

/etc/saslauth.conf:
ldap_servers: ldap://localhost:389
ldap_search_base: ou=people,dc=domain1.com,dc=com
ldap_filter: uid=%u
ldap_group_scope: sub
ldap_password_attr:userPassword

into /usr/lib/sasl2  i have smtpd.conf:
pwcheck_method: saslauthd
mech_list: plain login

if i make:
testsaslauthd -u usuario -p pasword
0: OK Success.

1. problem:
i am using the yast for adding users and when y add one ussers and i add it 
email adress using the yast pluging for editing the email date from user , 
or if i change the password whe i finalize appears this error into the 
/var/logs/messages:

Dec 22 11:29:54 server master[4560]: about to exec /usr/lib/cyrus/bin/imapd
Dec 22 11:29:54 server imap[4560]: executed
Dec 22 11:29:54 server imap[4560]: accepted connection
Dec 22 11:29:54 server saslauthd[3090]: Entry not found (uid=cyrus).
Dec 22 11:29:54 server saslauthd[3090]: Authentication failed for cyrus: 
User not found (-6)
Dec 22 11:29:54 server saslauthd[3090]: do_auth : auth failure: 
[user=cyrus] [service=imap] [realm=] [mech=ldap] [reason=Unknown]
Dec 22 11:29:54 server imap[4560]: badlogin: localhost [127.0.0.1] plaintext 
cyrus SASL(-13): authentication failure: checkpass failed


¿what is the problem?
the cyrus user is into the /etc/passwd, is one system user.
2.- if i have 2 domains: domain1.con and domain2.com and if i what to have 2 
emails addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have added 2 users 
using the yast but to the second user the yast put one email address. if i 
waht to use for this user other email adress i can add but is impoible to 
delete the yast has added email address.

3.- if i send ine email to this user appears this error message:
Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4749]: accepted connection
Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4749]: lmtp connection preauth'd as postman
Dec 22 11:40:05 server master[4814]: about to exec /usr/lib/cyrus/bin/lmtpd
Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4749]: verify_user(user.carlostinieblas) 
failed: Mailbox does not exist

Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4814]: executed
Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4749]: IOERROR: fstating sieve script 
/var/lib/sieve/c/carlos/defaultbc: No such file or directory
Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4749]: duplicate_check: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] user.carlos  0

Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4749]: mystore: starting txn 2147483654
Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4749]: mystore: committing txn 2147483654
Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4749]: duplicate_mark: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] user.carlos  1198320005 
43

what is the problem? the yast doesn't work well?




I have into SLES support opened tow issues:
#10372072571 and #10372805557 issues into the days:
13/12/2007 and 17/12/2007 and still ther eis not solution.

How can i solve this problem?
can anybopdy helps me?
thanks 


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Re: [opensuse] Problen with SLES + postfix + sals+ ldap

2007-12-22 Thread Anders Johansson
On Saturday 22 December 2007 11:46:06 Carlos wrote:
 1. problem:
 i am using the yast for adding users and when y add one ussers and i add it
 email adress using the yast pluging for editing the email date from user ,
 or if i change the password whe i finalize appears this error into the
 /var/logs/messages:
 Dec 22 11:29:54 server master[4560]: about to exec /usr/lib/cyrus/bin/imapd
 Dec 22 11:29:54 server imap[4560]: executed
 Dec 22 11:29:54 server imap[4560]: accepted connection
 Dec 22 11:29:54 server saslauthd[3090]: Entry not found (uid=cyrus).
 Dec 22 11:29:54 server saslauthd[3090]: Authentication failed for cyrus:
 User not found (-6)
 Dec 22 11:29:54 server saslauthd[3090]: do_auth : auth failure:
 [user=cyrus] [service=imap] [realm=] [mech=ldap] [reason=Unknown]
 Dec 22 11:29:54 server imap[4560]: badlogin: localhost [127.0.0.1]
 plaintext cyrus SASL(-13): authentication failure: checkpass failed

This looks like you're trying to log in to cyrus imap using the cyrus system 
user. As far as I know, the cyrus system user doesn't have an email account, 
so this can't be done.

Are you saying YaST itself is making this connection? That's new. YaST should 
be storing all its info in the LDAP server. I don't think I've ever seen YaST 
itself make an imap connection


 ¿what is the problem?
 the cyrus user is into the /etc/passwd, is one system user.
 2.- if i have 2 domains: domain1.con and domain2.com and if i what to have
 2 emails addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have added 2
 users using the yast but to the second user the yast put one email address.
 if i waht to use for this user other email adress i can add but is impoible
 to delete the yast has added email address.

Not sure about this one

 Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4749]: IOERROR: fstating sieve script
 /var/lib/sieve/c/carlos/defaultbc: No such file or directory

This just means that the user hasn't created a sieve script yet. sieve is used 
by cyrus for server side filtering. It isn't something YaST sets up, it's 
something each user creates for himself

Anders

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[opensuse] Software updates and repositories understanding

2007-12-22 Thread Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC)
Hi,

This has been bothering me for a long time as I am battling to
understand the usage of software repositories. I haven't been able to
find a reference in the fine manual of 10.2 that describes this , hence
my question.

I realise that the repositories are used for updates but why has some of
my software not been updated? I am also not expecting to get an update
from 10.2 to 10.3 but I would expect updates for the applications I use
on 10.2.

I am running 10.2 here and have the following YAST repositories loaded,
in the order they are listed:

opensuse.mirror.ac.za/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/non-oss/
ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.opensuse.org/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/
www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/non-oss/
ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.suse.com/suse/update/10.2/  (YUM)
www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/
opensuse.mirror.ac.za/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/
ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.opensuse.org/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/non-oss/
ftp.suse.compub/suse/update/10.2 (YUM)

Despite these repositories being loaded, and me complying to several
update requests via opensuse updater for various security updates, as
announced on opensuse-security, I am yet to receive an update(my version
in brackets) to openoffice(2.0.4), Thunderbird(1.5.0.12) and
Firefox(2.0.0.10). I realise the list I receive the notifications on is
for security so I do not expect it to come from there, but I do expect
opensuseupdater to advise me that there is a STABLE release/update for
some of the above installed software.

I would have thought that I would have had the latest stable releases as
I have oss and non-oss repositories loaded. I have read email about
releases for Firefox ?3?, Thunderbird ?2.5? and OO.org 2.3 and yet my
system does not have the updated version of the software?

If I scour the opensuse site and find stable repositories for the above
software, should I add them? I would assume yes as the existing ones
have not updated the software substantially,

Let us assume, without making an ass out of u and me, that I find the
repository for Openoffice of:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/OpenOffice.org:/STABLE/openSUSE_10.2/

Before loading it is as a source I would load it into my browser. Here I
see there are several sub directories.
I would need to know where to end i.e. at the parent folder
..openSUSE_10.2/, or the ...openSUSE_10.2/repodata/ folder, the
...openSUSE_10.2/i586/ folder or in the ...openSUSE_10.2/noarch folder?
I would assume i586  but what is the difference between that and noarch?

Bear in mind that I want YAST to do all the downloading, extracting and
correct installing i.e. I am a GUI person and know not the path to true
light i.e. CLI, yet. But I'll cover that in another email :)

Help me understand or give me a link I can read to understand it.

TIA
P.S: I was unable to find anything to explain what I needed at opensuse
or TLDP.
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Re: [opensuse] Problen with SLES + postfix + sals+ ldap

2007-12-22 Thread Carlos

i only make these changes using Yast, only yast
what can i solve this problem?
Can you help me?
thanks
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To: opensuse@opensuse.org
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [opensuse] Problen with SLES + postfix + sals+ ldap


On Saturday 22 December 2007 11:46:06 Carlos wrote:

1. problem:
i am using the yast for adding users and when y add one ussers and i add 
it

email adress using the yast pluging for editing the email date from user ,
or if i change the password whe i finalize appears this error into the
/var/logs/messages:
Dec 22 11:29:54 server master[4560]: about to exec 
/usr/lib/cyrus/bin/imapd

Dec 22 11:29:54 server imap[4560]: executed
Dec 22 11:29:54 server imap[4560]: accepted connection
Dec 22 11:29:54 server saslauthd[3090]: Entry not found (uid=cyrus).
Dec 22 11:29:54 server saslauthd[3090]: Authentication failed for cyrus:
User not found (-6)
Dec 22 11:29:54 server saslauthd[3090]: do_auth : auth failure:
[user=cyrus] [service=imap] [realm=] [mech=ldap] [reason=Unknown]
Dec 22 11:29:54 server imap[4560]: badlogin: localhost [127.0.0.1]
plaintext cyrus SASL(-13): authentication failure: checkpass failed


This looks like you're trying to log in to cyrus imap using the cyrus system
user. As far as I know, the cyrus system user doesn't have an email account,
so this can't be done.

Are you saying YaST itself is making this connection? That's new. YaST 
should
be storing all its info in the LDAP server. I don't think I've ever seen 
YaST

itself make an imap connection



¿what is the problem?
the cyrus user is into the /etc/passwd, is one system user.
2.- if i have 2 domains: domain1.con and domain2.com and if i what to have
2 emails addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have added 2
users using the yast but to the second user the yast put one email 
address.
if i waht to use for this user other email adress i can add but is 
impoible

to delete the yast has added email address.


Not sure about this one


Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4749]: IOERROR: fstating sieve script
/var/lib/sieve/c/carlos/defaultbc: No such file or directory


This just means that the user hasn't created a sieve script yet. sieve is 
used

by cyrus for server side filtering. It isn't something YaST sets up, it's
something each user creates for himself

Anders

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Re: [opensuse] Problen with SLES + postfix + sals+ ldap

2007-12-22 Thread Anders Johansson
On Saturday 22 December 2007 12:36:21 Anders Johansson wrote:
 Are you saying YaST itself is making this connection? That's new. YaST
 should be storing all its info in the LDAP server. I don't think I've ever
 seen YaST itself make an imap connection

My mistake. I just checked, and YaST does do an imap login as user cyrus to 
change settings

The problem here seems to be that you've changed the defaults. The default is 
to use pam, which will automatically find the system users in /etc/passwd 
and /etc/shadow, but you've changed it to use sasl, and told sasl to only use 
ldap. That means you also have to add the cyrus user to ldap

Anders

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Re: [opensuse] Totem and MPEG-2 playback

2007-12-22 Thread Chris Arnold
Anders Johansson wrote:

 I think totem uses gstreamer, so you probably need the fluendo codec for 
 mpeg. 
 You can find it at packman
   
I have the gst-fluendo-mp3 rpm installed and when i type in fluendo in
software management (which i have packman as a software repo), gstreamer
and flumotion get returned. I don't see gstreamer/fluendo. At packman
site, there are gstreamer010-fluendo-mp3 (which i have),
gstreamer010-fluendo-mpegdemux and gstreamer010-fluendo-mpegmux; which
one do i need?

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Re: [opensuse] Problen with SLES + postfix + sals+ ldap

2007-12-22 Thread Anders Johansson
On Saturday 22 December 2007 12:57:00 Carlos wrote:
 i only make these changes using Yast, only yast
 what can i solve this problem?

I'd need to set up a system with multiple domains in order to test your second 
problem. The third, as I said, isn't a problem

For the first problem, either add user cyrus to your ldap, or change 
SASLAUTHD_AUTHMECH back to using pam so it can find your system users

Anders

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Re: [opensuse] Problen with SLES + postfix + sals+ ldap

2007-12-22 Thread Anders Johansson
On Saturday 22 December 2007 12:57:00 Carlos wrote:
 i only make these changes using Yast, only yast
 what can i solve this problem?

I'd need to set up a system with multiple domains in order to test your second 
problem. The third, as I said, isn't a problem

For the first problem, either add user cyrus to your ldap, or change 
SASLAUTHD_AUTHMECH back to using pam so it can find your system users

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[opensuse] Software Update conflicts while introducing KDE4 applications

2007-12-22 Thread Philippe Landau
Hello

Without having switched to KDE4 i get conflicts
while trying to update OpenSuse 10.3.
Where does Suse store the list of repositories i use ?
I am using Main Repository OSS and non-OSS, nvidia, opensuse edu,
buildservice mozilla and opensuse 10.3 updates.
What do you recommend ?

Kind regards Philippe

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Can't satisfy requirement libkdefx.so.5 for
kde4-kalarm-3.93.0.svn712059-12.i586

=== kde4-kalarm-3.93.0.svn712059-12.i586 ===
libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-6.i586 provides libkdefx.so.5, but is
scheduled to be uninstalled.

libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-6.i586[http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:10.3/standard/]
provides libkdefx.so.5, but another version of that package is already
installed.
kde4-kalarm-3.93.0.svn712059-12.i586 depends on libkde4
kde4-kalarm-3.93.0.svn712059-12.i586 is lacking the requirement
libkdefx.so.5
(null)
Conflict Resolution:
( ) delete kde4-kalarm
( ) Ignore this requirement just here
( ) Generally ignore this requirement
Can't satisfy requirement libkdefx.so.5 for
kde4-kmahjongg-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586

=== kde4-kmahjongg-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 ===
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scheduled to be uninstalled.

libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-6.i586[http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:10.3/standard/]
provides libkdefx.so.5, but another version of that package is already
installed.
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kde4-kmahjongg-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 is lacking the
requirement libkdefx.so.5
(null)
Conflict Resolution:
( ) delete kde4-kmahjongg
( ) Ignore this requirement just here
( ) Generally ignore this requirement
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kde4-kmines-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586

=== kde4-kmines-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 ===
libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-6.i586 provides libkdefx.so.5, but is
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installed.
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kde4-kmines-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 is lacking the requirement
libkdefx.so.5
(null)
Conflict Resolution:
( ) delete kde4-kmines
( ) Ignore this requirement just here
( ) Generally ignore this requirement
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kde4-kpat-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586

=== kde4-kpat-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 ===
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scheduled to be uninstalled.

libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-6.i586[http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:10.3/standard/]
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installed.
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kde4-kpat-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 is lacking the requirement
libkdefx.so.5
(null)
Conflict Resolution:
( ) delete kde4-kpat
( ) Ignore this requirement just here
( ) Generally ignore this requirement
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kde4-krdc-3.93.0.svn712057-16.i586

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scheduled to be uninstalled.

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installed.
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kde4-krdc-3.93.0.svn712057-16.i586 is lacking the requirement
libkdefx.so.5
(null)
Conflict Resolution:
( ) delete kde4-krdc
( ) Ignore this requirement just here
( ) Generally ignore this requirement
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kde4-kreversi-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586

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libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-6.i586 provides libkdefx.so.5, but is
scheduled to be uninstalled.

libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-6.i586[http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:10.3/standard/]
provides libkdefx.so.5, but another version of that package is already
installed.
kde4-kreversi-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 depends on libkde4
kde4-kreversi-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 is lacking the
requirement libkdefx.so.5
(null)
Conflict Resolution:
( ) delete kde4-kreversi
( ) Ignore this requirement just here
( ) Generally ignore this requirement
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kde4-krfb-3.93.0.svn712057-16.i586

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Re: [opensuse] Software updates and repositories understanding

2007-12-22 Thread jdd

Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:


opensuse.mirror.ac.za/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/non-oss/
ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.opensuse.org/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/


these two are static repository. Usually they don't change after the 
initial release. Very rarely there is an update if the basic install 
break too much



www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/non-oss/


this one is a duplicate and should be deleted


ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.suse.com/suse/update/10.2/  (YUM)


this one is the update one, sometime modified (and so have to be 
refreshed)



www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/


duplicate, to be deleted


opensuse.mirror.ac.za/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/
ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.opensuse.org/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/non-oss/


triplicates...


ftp.suse.compub/suse/update/10.2 (YUM)


duplicate

updates are only for bugsfixes, there is no version update (and there 
is little need for them)


the full update should be done through YaST online Update (YOU)


 I have read email about
releases for Firefox ?3?


non, you will never have such thing. It could cost many dependecies 
changes, and possibly new bugs.


If you want always the very last application you can switch any eight 
mont for the new openSUSE release (now 10.3) - but it's not always a 
good idea and not always so easy


may you should considere adding packman to your repositories (wee the 
wiki)


10.3 have a YaST module to add community repositories, but 10.2 haven't

jdd

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Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups

2007-12-22 Thread Chris Arnold
Rodney Baker wrote:

 Chris,
 You can install compiz-fusion using one-click without first uninstalling 
 compiz. Yast will take care of dependicies, obsoletes etc. I have done this 
 successfully on 2 systems.
  
 I have both KDE and Gnome desktops installed (although I generally use KDE) 
 so 
 I used the one-click install for compiz-fusion-all. Works great.
I used the 1-click for gnome and the install went ok. But after i ran
the commands compiz-manager  and the others (i can't remember them off
the top of my head), my windows are missing the close, maximize and
minimize buttons (i can not move the windows either by dragging them).
Should i go back to compiz or how do i fix this? I also have an
untitled window in the panel that will not go away.
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Re: [opensuse] Software updates and repositories understanding

2007-12-22 Thread Anders Johansson
Hi,

Version updates for released products are extremely rare. Essentially, they 
only happen when there is a serious bug or security problem, and a backport 
of the fix is too complicated

So yes, if you really want updated versions of the software, you need to 
either update to the latest suse release, or get the packages from the build 
service, as you have found

On Saturday 22 December 2007 12:43:53 Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:
 Let us assume, without making an ass out of u and me, that I find the
 repository for Openoffice of:
 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/OpenOffice.org:/STABLE/openSUSE_1
0.2/

 Before loading it is as a source I would load it into my browser. Here I
 see there are several sub directories.
 I would need to know where to end i.e. at the parent folder
 ..openSUSE_10.2/, or the ...openSUSE_10.2/repodata/ folder, the
 ...openSUSE_10.2/i586/ folder or in the ...openSUSE_10.2/noarch folder?
 I would assume i586  but what is the difference between that and noarch?

 Bear in mind that I want YAST to do all the downloading, extracting and
 correct installing i.e. I am a GUI person and know not the path to true
 light i.e. CLI, yet. But I'll cover that in another email :)

Well, the path should end with the suse release, in this case openSUSE_10.2. 
YaST will take care of finding the correct architecture. noarch means that 
the packages in there work on all architectures. For example artwork 
(background images, icons and such)

But by far the easiest is to use the one-click install, which is available for 
10.2 as well. It will do all the work for you. Install

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE%3A/Tools/openSUSE_10.2/noarch/yast2-metapackage-handler-0.5.2-3.1.noarch.rpm

Then, when you search for software at http://software.opensuse.org/search and 
you see the 1-click install button, you can click it and it will install 
everything you need for you

Anders

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Re: [opensuse] Frozen Throne

2007-12-22 Thread Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC)
aledr wrote:
 There is World of Warcraft 2 and other games in wine-doors... You can
 give a try...
 
 
 2007/12/21, Kai Ponte [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Thursday 20 December 2007 13:35, Kaare Rasmussen wrote:
 Hi

 Can anybody help me make my kids happy?

 I would really like to run World of Warcraft and Frozen Throne work on
 OpenSUSE 10.3.

 Shouldn't it be possible to do with Wine? I've tried to set ir up and run
 Heroes III or IV but no luck.

 A quick howto would be welcomed :-)
 I play frozen bubble in openSUSE.

 Never heard of the others.

 Does that count?

Nothing counts against Duke-Nukem-Forever

Feeling lucky punk :)


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Re: [opensuse] Cron Job Problem

2007-12-22 Thread Carlos E. R.

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The Saturday 2007-12-22 at 02:34 -0700, Donald D Henson wrote:


Hmmm. Something magic must have happened. The cron job ran and the
backup was updated. The only thing I changed was to set
SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR to Yes. (By the way, where does that mail get
sent?)


It was sent to you, unless you modify it. Check the mail log.


I don't understand *why* it worked but it did work. Do you want to
leave it as is or would you like to see if we can figure out what happened?


If you want to learn for the next time... :-)

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Re: [opensuse] Modem working on openSuSE 10.2

2007-12-22 Thread Carlos E. R.

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The Saturday 2007-12-22 at 08:49 +0100, Cristea Bogdan wrote:


I have an external USB modem and trying to get this working on linux.
I have set up through yast the modem parameters related to Internet
provider, but I am not able to communicate with the modem. Has anyone
experienced a similar problem?



Test the modem first using minicom.

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Re: [opensuse] vbox and vmware compatibility

2007-12-22 Thread Ken Schneider
jdd pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
 I installed Xp in vmware, before having the usb compatible virtualbox :-(
 
 I read in the vb manual that it can open the vmware vmdk files, but when
 I try this it say no bootable system found
 
 is there a way to use vmware disks with vbox?
 
 thanks
 jdd

I managed to get a W2K VMware install to boot but I had to run the
install repair to do so. I also recommend removing the VMware tools
before as well. If you are using a virtual harddisk you only need the
vmdk file which you can copy first to try.

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[opensuse] Alpine 1.0 is out

2007-12-22 Thread Carlos E. R.

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Hi,

Alpine 1.00 has been finally released. It is the new version of the mail 
client Pine, with an apache license. It is, as Pine, a text mode MUA. 
Now it also has a web based user agent.


More info:

http://www.washington.edu/alpine/


There is a suse repo here:

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dstoecker/openSUSE_10.3

Or if you want to compile it yourselves, I use the allpatch version from 
E. Chappa here (the suse version of Pine applies all of these patches, I 
think):


http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/info/all.html



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[opensuse] Graphics problem after fitting new Nvidia card

2007-12-22 Thread paul williamson
Hi all,

I fitted a new Nvidia 6200geforce (AGP) graphics card a few days ago, and
I saw this intermittent (maybe once a week) fault for the 3rd time today.

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/phwilliamson/drawing2.png

I was running openSuse 10.3 at the time, but I have also seen the same fault 
in openSuse 10.2.

The first two times I saw it, I was using the latest release of the Nvidia
drivers, and this last time I was using the latest beta version of the
Nvidia drivers.

The machine has been fine in most other respects, and the card performs
well in 3D.  I have just occasionally had some corrupted text, which has
cleared if I force a re-draw.

The problem shown in the link requires a re-start of the x-server to cure
it.

My main hope is to find out if this is a hardware or driver problem.  I
also fitted 2 extra DDR400 memory modules at the same time, so is it
likely one of them is faulty ?

The card appears to perform well in Windows XP, but I use XP so little it
is not much of a test.  Only extensive use in XP would prove the point one
way or another.

Thanks in advance

Paul Williamson
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Re: [opensuse] Software updates and repositories understanding

2007-12-22 Thread Druid
On Dec 22, 2007 9:43 AM, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 This has been bothering me for a long time as I am battling to
 understand the usage of software repositories. I haven't been able to
 find a reference in the fine manual of 10.2 that describes this , hence
 my question.

 I realise that the repositories are used for updates but why has some of
 my software not been updated? I am also not expecting to get an update
 from 10.2 to 10.3 but I would expect updates for the applications I use
 on 10.2.

Not exactly. It works  more or less like this: the main repository of
each release is frozen. It will not change versions. It was tested and
it will remains with this versions forever. They dont upgrade (people
say upgrade like goin from version 2.4 to 2.6), but there is a
repository called update for each release that has updates, being
updates small changes (like from 2.4.6-32a to 2.4.6-32b). Updates are
small changes, and they are made only for security and some bugfixing
purpose.

Thats the way it works, it wont get updated. Thats the whole purpose
of testing and stabilising a release: you integrate, test and release
those exact versions. Thats the right-way-to-do-it (TM).

Sometimes people need some more recent software. This situation is
kinda rare, most of time people want to upgrade with no reason (its a
disease called upgraditis). For providing those extra new software,
and some software that eventually is not in the main repository, for
any reason, there are the aditional or specific repositories, like the
Build service ones.

 I would have thought that I would have had the latest stable releases as
 I have oss and non-oss repositories loaded. I have read email about

No, as Ive said the policy is that the main repository is frozen.

 releases for Firefox ?3?, Thunderbird ?2.5? and OO.org 2.3 and yet my
 system does not have the updated version of the software?


You would need extra repositories. Or install 10.3... Some of those
stuff wont even be in 10.3, as they are more recent than the 10.3
release.

 If I scour the opensuse site and find stable repositories for the above
 software, should I add them?

The reasons to upgrade are usually to fix some bug you are having or
to get new features.

 I would assume yes as the existing ones
 have not updated the software substantially,

You can say that, but that doesnt mean its good enough to enter the
main repository, because it wasnt tested. You are on your own risk.

 Let us assume, without making an ass out of u and me, that I find the
 repository for Openoffice of:
 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/OpenOffice.org:/STABLE/openSUSE_10.2/



 Before loading it is as a source I would load it into my browser. Here I
 see there are several sub directories.

Its good to load it in the browser for 2 reason: i) you know its
acessible (some rare repos dont let you list it in the browser) and
ii) identify if its really a source (like you've said, to identify
where the path ends). For YUM repos, like the ones in Buildservice it
ends in the path that contains the directory repodata.

Check http://opensuse-community.org/AddSource

 I would need to know where to end i.e. at the parent folder
 ..openSUSE_10.2/, or the ...openSUSE_10.2/repodata/ folder, the
 ...openSUSE_10.2/i586/ folder or in the ...openSUSE_10.2/noarch folder?
 I would assume i586  but what is the difference between that and noarch?


That collection of directories makes one repository. Noarch is just
the directory of the repo taht holds the packages that are the same in
any arch, for example, one containing wallpapers, themes.

 Bear in mind that I want YAST to do all the downloading, extracting and
 correct installing i.e. I am a GUI person and know not the path to true
 light i.e. CLI, yet. But I'll cover that in another email :)


Yast does that, in GUI, ncurses or command line, again check the link to o-c.org

Best regards

Marcio Ferreira
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Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups

2007-12-22 Thread Rodney Baker
On Saturday 22 December 2007 23:08:36 Chris Arnold wrote:
 Rodney Baker wrote:
  Chris,
  You can install compiz-fusion using one-click without first uninstalling
  compiz. Yast will take care of dependicies, obsoletes etc. I have done
  this successfully on 2 systems.
 
  I have both KDE and Gnome desktops installed (although I generally use
  KDE) so I used the one-click install for compiz-fusion-all. Works great.

 I used the 1-click for gnome and the install went ok. But after i ran
 the commands compiz-manager  and the others (i can't remember them off
 the top of my head), my windows are missing the close, maximize and
 minimize buttons (i can not move the windows either by dragging them).
 Should i go back to compiz or how do i fix this? I also have an
 untitled window in the panel that will not go away.

On KDE (probably the same on Gnome) you run Compiz Fusion Icon. This puts an 
icon in the system tray that gives you direct access to the Settings Manager, 
Emerald Theme Manager and some other settings (with a right click on the 
system tray icon - left click does nothing).

Run Compiz Fusion Icon, then right click and check what window decorator is 
selected. You have the option of GTK, KDE or Emerald.

You may also want to experiment with the Loose Binding and Indirect Rendering 
options under Compiz Options (in the right-click menu). On my NVidia card I 
don't need either checked (using the proprietary drivers) whereas with the 
Intel chipset in my laptop I need both.

BTW, on my laptop I initially installed just the kde packages via 1-click but 
I had problems, so I went back and installed compiz-fusion-all. Once I 
figured out the best settings for each box it has worked flawlessly on both.

I am using KDE, not Gnome, so YMMV, but I'm sure there are plenty of Gnome 
users using it as well. I do have Gnome installed, I just rarely go there.

Regards,
Rodney.


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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Thursday 2007-12-20 at 09:22 -1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Even if one nices and ionices beagle, there still is the matter of 
swap space
getting filled. Usually it is when that happens when ugly  thoughts 
against
the developers spring to life. is there a swapnice or something for 
control

of max swap space an app can use?


If an application need memory, there is no memory free, and there is 
swap, the kernel will give it as much as it wants - unless you limit it 
with ulimit and friends.


I just checked the man page for ulimit, and did a search
for the string swap and it came up empty... so it looks
like ulimit might not help herealthough ulimit -v can set
an upper limit on virtual memory, and -d can cap the
size of the process's data segment (although I have no
idea of how that impacts malloc() or other dynamic
memory allocation methods.


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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse and USB card reader?

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis

Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:

Aaron Kulkis wrote:

Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:

Hi,

I am currently in the market for a flash card and floppy disk reader.
Yes, floppy disks, the 3.5 ones.

The reason I would like a reader for floppy disks as I have in excess of
  100 disks that contain  Windows drivers that I have needed over the
years. Some of these have not been replaced by newer versions as the
hardware itself didn't ever fail and so the old adage of If it ain't
broke, Don't fix it probably came to the developers mind. I will
probably not ever need them again, but they might come in handy for a
friend/business associate.

With this utility I will be able to transfer the driver files onto a USB
flashdisk and also keep another copy in my ~/, which gets backed up each
day to an external USB HDD.

Professional admin advice here:

First, make several CD-R copies of this collection.
They can't be accidentally over-written like USB memory sticks.


After you have a half dozen CD-R copies, THEN you can worry
about USB memory sticks.


Point taken,  although having a USB floppy disk unit might come in handy
for usage on legacy software.


3.5 inch floppies are going to become increasingly
difficult to find, in the same way that 12-inch,
8-inch, and 5-1/4-inch floppies before them became
rarer and rarer until becoming extinct.

Devices which can read CD-R's will remain available
for the next 5 years.  I would not be confident to
bet that a floppy drives will even be available
5 years from now.

That's why my recommendation for CD-R's...devices
which can read them are ubiquitous, and will remain
so for several years into the future.



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Re: [opensuse] Cron Job Problem

2007-12-22 Thread Patrick Shanahan
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 Hmmm. Something magic must have happened. The cron job ran and the
 backup was updated. The only thing I changed was to set
 SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR to Yes. (By the way, where does that mail get
 sent?)I don't understand *why* it worked but it did work. 

SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR merely sets cron to report successful activity
to root.  It did nothing to your cron job.

 Do you want to leave it as is or would you like to see if we can
 figure out what happened?

You didn't change anything wrt your cron job.  BUT, if you don't
change it, SEND_MAIL, root will receive mail notification each
time a cron job is successful.  You *will* change it when you become
annoyed with the notification or when /var runs out of space due to
the size of root's mailbox.


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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Wednesday 19 December 2007 01:02:56 pm Aaron Kulkis wrote:
 

ah... ionice seems to be a new invention.
I'll give it a try when I build a new system this month.


Even if one nices and ionices beagle, there still is the matter of swap space 
getting filled. Usually it is when that happens when ugly  thoughts against 
the developers spring to life. is there a swapnice or something for control 
of max swap space an app can use?


not on my 10.1 system.




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Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups

2007-12-22 Thread Chris Arnold
Rodney Baker wrote:
 On Saturday 22 December 2007 23:08:36 Chris Arnold wrote:
   
 Rodney Baker wrote:
 
 Chris,
 You can install compiz-fusion using one-click without first uninstalling
 compiz. Yast will take care of dependicies, obsoletes etc. I have done
 this successfully on 2 systems.

 I have both KDE and Gnome desktops installed (although I generally use
 KDE) so I used the one-click install for compiz-fusion-all. Works great.
   
 I used the 1-click for gnome and the install went ok. But after i ran
 the commands compiz-manager  and the others (i can't remember them off
 the top of my head), my windows are missing the close, maximize and
 minimize buttons (i can not move the windows either by dragging them).
 Should i go back to compiz or how do i fix this? I also have an
 untitled window in the panel that will not go away.
 

 On KDE (probably the same on Gnome) you run Compiz Fusion Icon. This puts an 
 icon in the system tray that gives you direct access to the Settings Manager, 
 Emerald Theme Manager and some other settings (with a right click on the 
 system tray icon - left click does nothing).

 Run Compiz Fusion Icon, then right click and check what window decorator is 
 selected. You have the option of GTK, KDE or Emerald.

 You may also want to experiment with the Loose Binding and Indirect Rendering 
 options under Compiz Options (in the right-click menu). On my NVidia card I 
 don't need either checked (using the proprietary drivers) whereas with the 
 Intel chipset in my laptop I need both.

 BTW, on my laptop I initially installed just the kde packages via 1-click but 
 I had problems, so I went back and installed compiz-fusion-all. Once I 
 figured out the best settings for each box it has worked flawlessly on both.

 I am using KDE, not Gnome, so YMMV, but I'm sure there are plenty of Gnome 
 users using it as well. I do have Gnome installed, I just rarely go there.
I am an id10tI failed to see the note in bold that said if you want
a startup script, install this (which is compiz manager). I installed
this and now i have the windows decorations.
But now, i do not have window previews. It is checked in CCSM but a
preview does not happen. The funny thing is it was happening when i did
not have the windows decorations.
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Re: [opensuse] Install 10.3 on drive with the recover on it

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis

Chris Arnold wrote:
I am gonna try to explain this as clear as possible. I have an IBM thinkpad T43 and it has that other OS installed. It also has the recovery part on the hard drive that i do not want to destroy (as they did not ship recovery cd's with this system). I want to install suse 10.3 onto this ibm laptop without destroying the recovery section of the drive. The last time i tried this, i could not figure out how to do this without wipping-out the recovery section on the drive. Can anyone explain how to do this without formatting the entire drive? 


What I would do... is...

Buy another 2.5 drive, and install it IN PLACE OF the
original hard drive (and for protection of the pins, etc,
put it inside a 2.5 drive USB carrier.

This way, if you ever want to boot to LoseDOS (or sell the
machine), just swap the drives again (and if you get a new
laptop...Linux is already installed on the 2.5 disk...boot
to run-level 3...play with the graphics and other hardware
that needs explicit set up..and voila, you're off and running.

but that's just me (sometimes, I would just rather spend
the money for the convenience, as long as I'm also getting
a tangible object in the whole process).


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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis

Bryen wrote:

On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 02:03 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Thursday 2007-12-20 at 14:31 -0600, Bryen wrote:


Unless of course that solution destroys the performance on the target
system. I am the one who started this thread, and as I stated at the
beginning, I have a dual core Turion L52 64bit processor, 1.5Gigs of
memory and a 7200 RPM Sata drive, and the performance went out the
door. Other than a large MBox in my Thunderbird, I don't have that
much data to index, and Beagle took 700Meg or RAM and 1Gig of SWAP,
niced or not, that causes a lot of swapping.


I think a bigger and more appropriate question is to determine WHY your
performance is degraded.
Don't you see why it is degraded? It is obvious: his beagle used 700 MB of 
RAM and 1GB of swap.


That's a software problem, a bug in beagle eating that much memory and 
causing swapping. Not a hardware problem at all. Or are you saying that in 
order to use beagle he should buy 2 Gigs more?


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Carlos E. R.


I'm saying I'm running it on my primary box with only 640MB RAM, 1 GIG
swap and I have no performance issues whatsoever.   So, the fact that
hardware was discussed before I made my comment, it was to emphasize
that the hardware issue is probably moot.Somewhere there's a
configuration issue.  And it ain't a common issue on every machine, so
the point is, instead of bashing Beagle as a problem for everyone, let's
focus on why its a problem for SOME people and not others.  Then we can
get to the root of the problem.


Every time I've done a new installation of SuSE, beagle
starts up, and beats the hell out of my system -- even
a pure SCSI system with 5 hard drives on two controllers.
And I always have a preference for lots of memory and
swap space paired with CPU's of moderate speed (typically
top speed 6-9 months previous, but down to US $100 by
the time I purchase it).

Basically, it sounds like, for whatever beagle tries
to index...with YOUR data, it never consumes many
resources.

But evidently, for a large number of us, when beagle
attempts to process OUR data, it's appetite for memory
space and disk I/O is completely unrestrained, and causes
system performace for a modern desktop system to be worse
than that of a 1980's 64 MB, 30- MHz dual-CPU system with
100 users logged in doing edit/compile/execute cycles.


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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-22 Thread Anders Johansson
On Friday 21 December 2007 01:06:38 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thursday 20 December 2007 09:38:46 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
  The Thursday 2007-12-20 at 09:22 -1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Even if one nices and ionices beagle, there still is the matter of swap
   space getting filled. Usually it is when that happens when ugly 
   thoughts against the developers spring to life. is there a swapnice
   or something for control of max swap space an app can use?
 
  If an application need memory, there is no memory free, and there is
  swap, the kernel will give it as much as it wants - unless you limit it
  with ulimit and friends.
 
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  Carlos E. R.

 a quick info ulimit reveals that perhaps the option RLIMIT_RSS can tell
 beagle to not fill all ram and swap, no? if so, then a tiny little script
 could totally control every aspect of resourse utilization by beagle. has
 anyone tried that? even i  could do a small script with nice, ionice and
 ulimit only...

The real solution here is to find and fix the bug that causes beagle to 
allocate so much memory. It doesn't happen on all systems.

When it happens, a bug should be opened, so that the developers can 
investigate it. It shouldn't be hidden away by tricks like that, it should be 
exposed so it can be solved once and for all

Anders

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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis

Kevin Dupuy wrote:

On Wed, 2007-12-19 at 18:10 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

Stevens wrote:

Today Kevin Dupuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From what I'm reading right now, I'm presuming either you have no
documents, or they are all on your desktop. If you actually did work,
you would love Beagle. I do. 


I've been using Beagle since it's SUSE introduction in 2005 (9.3), and
it is a really nice way to find any documents, emails, chats, web
history, music, podcasts, videos, etc. that is really easy to find
things.

Furthermore, as I mentioned on the other thread, I'm trying to figure
out why Beagle takes up so much CPU and memory in some people's
computers

ALSO:

Today Peter Van Lone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

it's desktop search ... what's the big mystery? Have you been living
under a rock for the last 2 or 3 years?

If you don't want/need desktop search, then fine. Many do. Beagle
seems to be a quite useful example of a category of service that many
many millions of people use.

OK, a little clarification is needed. I neither live under a rock nor
do I idle away my time. Nor can I fathom a need for Beagle
when it is such a resource hog. 


I am reminded of a friend who has been buying and using personal
computers since the old twin 5 1/4 drive TRS-80 just so he could
keep track of his crap. Nowdays he is no better and he uses some
kind of file indexing scheme on his Windows box. I used to spend 
time there helping him with projects; after a day or two, I had all his 
stuff catalogued in my head and could find it for him faster than he

could look it up. Ditto with my files that are strung out over 3 disk
drives and in tons of email. For me, Beagle is a terrible waste; for
him and others like him, it is probably a Godsend. YMMV.


I similarly have no problem finding any file I create
which may be years since I last touched it.

The key is ORDERLY, LOGICAL creation and naming of
both files and directory the trees in both my home
directory and other storage areas (such as /local
for stuff I download and want to keep from version
to version but doesn't really belong in $HOME).


Fred

By the way, FYI Kevin: my system is:
* Intel 2.4GHz CPU, 512MB RAM, Intel chipset
* Suse 10.2, kernel 2.6.18, KDE 3.5.5
* kmail, 4800 files, 730MB
* no Beagle





OK, here's the issue: you're not most people. I'm not most people. All
of us subscribed to this mailing list are probably not most people. And
most people don't name their files orderly, and put them in logical
places. I've seen people who write something about a project about the
Civil War and name it project.doc. I would name it Civil War
Project.odt, and that person put the file in their My Pictures folder
because that's where the Save dialog box is open to. They are the people
who would benefit most from Beagle, and that's also about 90% of the
computing population, so if openSUSE wants to reach that 90%, it a good
idea to have Beagle installed by default and turned on.


Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue
their idiotic behavior.


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Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups

2007-12-22 Thread Anders Johansson
On Saturday 22 December 2007 15:45:53 Chris Arnold wrote:
 I am an id10tI failed to see the note in bold that said if you want
 a startup script, install this (which is compiz manager). I installed
 this and now i have the windows decorations.
 But now, i do not have window previews. It is checked in CCSM but a
 preview does not happen. The funny thing is it was happening when i did
 not have the windows decorations.

By default it only happens for windows on the current desktop. If you want it 
for all windows on all desktops, you need to configure it

Oh, and for the record, compiz fusion is available for SLED10

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/X11:/XGL/SLE_10/

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Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups

2007-12-22 Thread Chris Arnold
Anders Johansson wrote:

 By default it only happens for windows on the current desktop. If you want it 
 for all windows on all desktops, you need to configure it
   
I see. So how do you configure it for all windows on all desktops?
 Oh, and for the record, compiz fusion is available for SLED10
   
This is not the reason i switched to 10.3. I switched b/c of the
slowness in the dev of SLED. Programs i wanted to use would not install
on SLED b/c some of the packages were out of date.

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Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups

2007-12-22 Thread Chris Arnold
Chris Arnold wrote:
 Anders Johansson wrote:
   
 By default it only happens for windows on the current desktop. If you want 
 it 
 for all windows on all desktops, you need to configure it
   
 
 I see. So how do you configure it for all windows on all desktops?
I see in CCSM, advanced search and click the windows preview. In that
dialog i see taskbar and under it is taskbar shows only windows of
current viewpoint and it was checked. I unchecked it and reloaded window
manager using the compiz-fusion icon in the panel. Still does not show
all windows. As i write this i am thinking maybe have to restart x?
Gonna do that and report back
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Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups

2007-12-22 Thread Anders Johansson
On Saturday 22 December 2007 16:22:37 Chris Arnold wrote:
 Anders Johansson wrote:
  By default it only happens for windows on the current desktop. If you
  want it for all windows on all desktops, you need to configure it

 I see. So how do you configure it for all windows on all desktops?

If you go to the settings for the module, there is an option for it

 Programs i wanted to use would not install
 on SLED b/c some of the packages were out of date.

Such as?

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Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups

2007-12-22 Thread Chris Arnold
Chris Arnold wrote:
 I see in CCSM, advanced search and click the windows preview. In that
 dialog i see taskbar and under it is taskbar shows only windows of
 current viewpoint and it was checked. I unchecked it and reloaded window
 manager using the compiz-fusion icon in the panel. Still does not show
 all windows. As i write this i am thinking maybe have to restart x?
 Gonna do that and report back
   
A X restart did not make it work either.

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Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups

2007-12-22 Thread Anders Johansson
On Saturday 22 December 2007 16:41:22 Chris Arnold wrote:
 Chris Arnold wrote:
  I see in CCSM, advanced search and click the windows preview. In that
  dialog i see taskbar and under it is taskbar shows only windows of
  current viewpoint and it was checked. I unchecked it and reloaded window
  manager using the compiz-fusion icon in the panel. Still does not show
  all windows. As i write this i am thinking maybe have to restart x?
  Gonna do that and report back

 A X restart did not make it work either.

Can you change any settings at all in CCSM?

I wonder if perhaps you've started compiz fusion with the gconf configuration 
setting

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Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups

2007-12-22 Thread Chris Arnold
Anders Johansson wrote:

 Can you change any settings at all in CCSM?

 I wonder if perhaps you've started compiz fusion with the gconf configuration 
 setting
Well, i can uncheck windows preview and there isn't a windows preview
with the active window. So, i would answer yes, i can change settings in
CCSM, to that question. Is there some other way to tell if i have
started compiz-fusion with the gconf config setting?
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Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups

2007-12-22 Thread Anders Johansson
On Saturday 22 December 2007 16:50:14 Chris Arnold wrote:
 Anders Johansson wrote:
  Can you change any settings at all in CCSM?
 
  I wonder if perhaps you've started compiz fusion with the gconf
  configuration setting

 Well, i can uncheck windows preview and there isn't a windows preview
 with the active window. So, i would answer yes, i can change settings in
 CCSM, to that question. Is there some other way to tell if i have
 started compiz-fusion with the gconf config setting?

Well, if your changes in CCSM have some effect at all, then you haven't, so 
you have just checked it.

In that case I don't know. All I had to do was to change that setting, and I 
got the thumbnails from all windows

Anders

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Re: [opensuse] Software updates and repositories understanding

2007-12-22 Thread Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC)
jdd wrote about the triplicate installation sources I have listed:

Tnx jdd,

I'll do a clean-up although doesn't having more than one source provide
greater accessibility i.e. if the suse site goes down, perhaps the
updates have already been transferred to a mirror which I might then be
able to download from?

snip

openSUSE 11.0 has been budgeted for and I look forward to it and as few
bugs as possible.

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Re: [opensuse] Software updates and repositories understanding

2007-12-22 Thread Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC)
Philippe Landau wrote:
 Hi Hylton
 
 Unfortunately updating OpenSuse is a mess,
 but it is easy once you know the tricks.
 Would you like to update to OpenSuse 10.3 ?

snip

It is the tricks I wanted to learn and updating to 10.3 I have decided
against although 11.0 is a 'definite' after watching the list regarding
bugs and user experience.

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[opensuse] Change gdm login screen color

2007-12-22 Thread Chris Arnold
Using 10.3 and gnome with gdm. As the subject lines suggests, is there a
way to change the login screen background/color to something else
besides installing a new gdm?
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Re: [opensuse] Software updates and repositories understanding

2007-12-22 Thread Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC)
Anders Johansson wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Version updates for released products are extremely rare. Essentially, they 
 only happen when there is a serious bug or security problem, and a backport 
 of the fix is too complicated
 
 So yes, if you really want updated versions of the software, you need to 
 either update to the latest suse release, or get the packages from the build 
 service, as you have found

Now THAT ANSWERS my question,  and poses a new one.

If I do decide to download a version update via rpm of software, then I
will have to install it by hand to resolve dependencies and compile, and
or use the 1-Click install mentioned below ?

The trick now is to know what to do when I have downloaded the rpm, and
of course which directory to download it to on my system / i.e. /usr,
/usr/bin, opt/ i.e. where is a logical folder that I can download
software for my system to, besides the classic Linux answer of 'anywhere'?

 On Saturday 22 December 2007 12:43:53 Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:
 ...Before loading it is as a source I would load it into my browser. Here I
 see there are several sub directories.
 I would need to know where to end i.e. at the parent folder
 ..openSUSE_10.2/, or the ...openSUSE_10.2/repodata/ folder, the
 ...openSUSE_10.2/i586/ folder or in the ...openSUSE_10.2/noarch folder?
 I would assume i586  but what is the difference between that and noarch?

 Bear in mind that I want YAST to do all the downloading, extracting and
 correct installing i.e. I am a GUI person and know not the path to true
 light i.e. CLI, yet. But I'll cover that in another email :)
 
 Well, the path should end with the suse release, in this case openSUSE_10.2. 
 YaST will take care of finding the correct architecture. noarch means that 
 the packages in there work on all architectures. For example artwork 
 (background images, icons and such)

Thank you for telling me not to worry about the sub-folders.

 But by far the easiest is to use the one-click install, which is available 
 for 
 10.2 as well. It will do all the work for you. Install
 
 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE%3A/Tools/openSUSE_10.2/noarch/yast2-metapackage-handler-0.5.2-3.1.noarch.rpm
 
 Then, when you search for software at http://software.opensuse.org/search and 
 you see the 1-click install button, you can click it and it will install 
 everything you need for you
 
 Anders

Tnx again Anders

Hylton
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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Rajko M.
On Thursday 20 December 2007 08:57:50 pm Aaron Kulkis wrote:
 Kevin Dupuy wrote:

 
  OK, here's the issue: you're not most people. I'm not most people. All
  of us subscribed to this mailing list are probably not most people. And
  most people don't name their files orderly, and put them in logical
  places. I've seen people who write something about a project about the
  Civil War and name it project.doc. I would name it Civil War
  Project.odt, and that person put the file in their My Pictures folder
  because that's where the Save dialog box is open to. They are the people
  who would benefit most from Beagle, and that's also about 90% of the
  computing population, so if openSUSE wants to reach that 90%, it a good
  idea to have Beagle installed by default and turned on.

 Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue
 their idiotic behavior.

Insulting 90% of people doesn't help to make your case. 

You have to understand that not everyone has the same goals in life as you, 
and also that different goals doesn't mean they are wrong. Would you buy 
vegetables from merchant that is expert in computing, but not so good with 
vegetables? I don't think so. On the other hand you can't deny that merchant 
needs computer for bookkeeping tasks. 

There is much more users that see computer only as a help in their activities, 
but they are not close to idea to become computer administrators, even in the 
smallest amount, to be able to use the box. They consider box good if it is 
help, and they are annoyed if they can do their task faster by hand that with 
a computer, so they are not asking for high performace either. 

That is what marketeers understood long time ago and that is the reason to 
have so many poor performing programs (slow and buggy). They are just better 
than doing job by hand. 

Just take time and observe inexperienced users. 
There will be many actions that you will laugh, like pressing backspace and 
deleting all until they come to misstyped letter and then retyping all again.

I have seen that, and as guy was decision maker in my case I left him alone. 
It was easy to show respect and point better way, but some people take that 
as a insult, not help. They look at help as an attempt to make them feel bad, 
and than they adjust their actions and outcome is less than optimal for 
helper. 

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Re: [opensuse] Software Update conflicts while introducing KDE4 applications

2007-12-22 Thread Rajko M.
On Saturday 22 December 2007 06:26:45 am Philippe Landau wrote:
 Hello

 Without having switched to KDE4 i get conflicts
 while trying to update OpenSuse 10.3.
 Where does Suse store the list of repositories i use ?
 I am using Main Repository OSS and non-OSS, nvidia, opensuse edu,
 buildservice mozilla and opensuse 10.3 updates.
 What do you recommend ?

snip 

Just remove KDE4 pattern. 

Look in YaST Software Management, Filter: Patterns .

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Re: [opensuse] Software updates and repositories understanding

2007-12-22 Thread Robert Smits
On December 22, 2007 07:56:12 am Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:
 jdd wrote about the triplicate installation sources I have listed:

 Tnx jdd,

 I'll do a clean-up although doesn't having more than one source provide
 greater accessibility i.e. if the suse site goes down, perhaps the
 updates have already been transferred to a mirror which I might then be
 able to download from?


Having redundant repositories really adds unnecessarily to the amount of time 
it takes to start doing something with YAST. Just make sure the update site 
is set to refresh, and you should get updates every few days (at least that's 
my experience with 10.3).

This site, http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories
has a good list of additional repositories.   


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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Philipp Thomas
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:57:50 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue
their idiotic behavior.

By fully quoting the mail just to add that comment you're joining the
club.

Philipp
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Re: [opensuse] Software updates and repositories understanding

2007-12-22 Thread Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC)
Druid wrote:
 On Dec 22, 2007 9:43 AM, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 This has been bothering me for a long time as I am battling to
 understand the usage of software repositories. I haven't been able to
 find a reference in the fine manual of 10.2 that describes this , hence
 my question.

 I realise that the repositories are used for updates but why has some of
 my software not been updated? I am also not expecting to get an update
 from 10.2 to 10.3 but I would expect updates for the applications I use
 on 10.2.
 
 Not exactly. It works  more or less like this: the main repository of
 each release is frozen. It will not change versions. It was tested and
 it will remains with this versions forever. They dont upgrade (people
 say upgrade like goin from version 2.4 to 2.6), but there is a
 repository called update for each release that has updates, being
 updates small changes (like from 2.4.6-32a to 2.4.6-32b). Updates are
 small changes, and they are made only for security and some bugfixing
 purpose.

OK, like those I have already downloaded and installed.

 Thats the way it works, it wont get updated. Thats the whole purpose
 of testing and stabilising a release: you integrate, test and release
 those exact versions. Thats the right-way-to-do-it (TM).
 
 Sometimes people need some more recent software. This situation is
 kinda rare, most of time people want to upgrade with no reason (its a
 disease called upgraditis). For providing those extra new software,
 and some software that eventually is not in the main repository, for
 any reason, there are the aditional or specific repositories, like the
 Build service ones.

If I get that dreaded upgraditis, I am then on my own, despite it being
an opensuse rpm. I am on my own because it hasn't been tested and whilst
it may have new features, it may also bring along more problems.

 I would have thought that I would have had the latest stable releases as
 I have oss and non-oss repositories loaded. I have read email about...
 
 No, as Ive said the policy is that the main repository is frozen.

OK

 ..releases for Firefox ?3?, Thunderbird ?2.5? and OO.org 2.3 and yet my
 system does not have the updated version of the software?

 
 You would need extra repositories. Or install 10.3... Some of those
 stuff wont even be in 10.3, as they are more recent than the 10.3
 release.

If I do download and install, I am on my own.

 If I scour the opensuse site and find stable repositories for the above
 software, should I add them?
 
 The reasons to upgrade are usually to fix some bug you are having or
 to get new features.

In other words, 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' TM!

 I would assume yes as the existing ones
 have not updated the software substantially,
 
 You can say that, but that doesnt mean its good enough to enter the
 main repository, because it wasnt tested. You are on your own risk.

OK

 Let us assume, without making an ass out of u and me, that I find the
 repository for Openoffice of:
 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/OpenOffice.org:/STABLE/openSUSE_10.2/

 
 
 Before loading it is as a source I would load it into my browser. Here I
 see there are several sub directories.
 
 Its good to load it in the browser for 2 reason: i) you know its
 acessible (some rare repos dont let you list it in the browser) and
 ii) identify if its really a source (like you've said, to identify
 where the path ends). For YUM repos, like the ones in Buildservice it
 ends in the path that contains the directory repodata.
 
 Check http://opensuse-community.org/AddSource
 
 I would need to know where to end i.e. at the parent folder
 ..openSUSE_10.2/, or the ...openSUSE_10.2/repodata/ folder, the
 ...openSUSE_10.2/i586/ folder or in the ...openSUSE_10.2/noarch folder?
 I would assume i586  but what is the difference between that and noarch?

 
 That collection of directories makes one repository. Noarch is just
 the directory of the repo taht holds the packages that are the same in
 any arch, for example, one containing wallpapers, themes.
 
 Bear in mind that I want YAST to do all the downloading, extracting and
 correct installing i.e. I am a GUI person and know not the path to true
 light i.e. CLI, yet. But I'll cover that in another email :)

 
 Yast does that, in GUI, ncurses or command line, again check the link to 
 o-c.org
 

Tnx DRUID

Hylton
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Re: [opensuse] Software Update conflicts while introducing KDE4 applications

2007-12-22 Thread Robert Smits
On December 22, 2007 04:26:45 am Philippe Landau wrote:
 Hello

 Without having switched to KDE4 i get conflicts
 while trying to update OpenSuse 10.3.
 Where does Suse store the list of repositories i use ?
 I am using Main Repository OSS and non-OSS, nvidia, opensuse edu,
 buildservice mozilla and opensuse 10.3 updates.
 What do you recommend ?

Yast, Software Repositories, will show you a list of all the repositories you 
have, as well as which are enabled and which will refresh. You can also add 
repositories in Yast, Community Repositories.



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Re: [opensuse] Cron Job Problem

2007-12-22 Thread Carlos E. R.

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The Saturday 2007-12-22 at 09:42 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:


SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR merely sets cron to report successful activity
to root.  It did nothing to your cron job.

...


time a cron job is successful.  You *will* change it when you become
annoyed with the notification or when /var runs out of space due to
the size of root's mailbox.


Simply precede the now qorking entry with - and it will not report. 
Mmm... doubt... I don't remember if it supressed the log entry or mail or 
both.


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Re: [opensuse] Software updates and repositories understanding

2007-12-22 Thread Anders Johansson
On Saturday 22 December 2007 17:49:50 Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:
 If I get that dreaded upgraditis, I am then on my own,

I've never liked that expression. The whole point of a community is that 
you're not on your own. There are mailing lists and forums, and you can 
report the bug (if there is one) to the developers.

The one thing you can't do if you install third party rpms is blame suse if 
things break

Anders

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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-22 Thread Carlos E. R.

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The Saturday 2007-12-22 at 16:06 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:

[ulimit]


The real solution here is to find and fix the bug that causes beagle to
allocate so much memory. It doesn't happen on all systems.

When it happens, a bug should be opened, so that the developers can
investigate it. It shouldn't be hidden away by tricks like that, it should be
exposed so it can be solved once and for all


Actually, it helps solve it, sometimes. The application crashes, probably 
with an error, maybe a core dump or a backtrace, and it can be examined. 
If it doesn't crash, there is nothing to report.


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Re: [opensuse] Cron Job Problem

2007-12-22 Thread Anders Johansson
On Saturday 22 December 2007 15:42:47 Patrick Shanahan wrote:
 * Donald D Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [12-22-07 04:40]:
  Hmmm. Something magic must have happened. The cron job ran and the
  backup was updated. The only thing I changed was to set
  SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR to Yes. (By the way, where does that mail get
  sent?)I don't understand *why* it worked but it did work.

 SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR merely sets cron to report successful activity
 to root.  It did nothing to your cron job.

It does nothing whatsoever for regular cronjobs. It is a variable read by 
run-crons, and only sends email for cron jobs in /etc/cron.hourly, cron.daily 
or cron.weekly

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Re: [opensuse] Software Update conflicts while introducing KDE4 applications

2007-12-22 Thread Philippe Landau
Robert Smits wrote:
 On December 22, 2007 04:26:45 am Philippe Landau wrote:
 Without having switched to KDE4 i get conflicts
 while trying to update OpenSuse 10.3.
 Where does Suse store the list of repositories i use ?
 I am using Main Repository OSS and non-OSS, nvidia, opensuse edu,
 buildservice mozilla and opensuse 10.3 updates.
 What do you recommend ?
 Yast, Software Repositories, will show you a list of all the repositories you 
 have, as well as which are enabled and which will refresh. You can also add 
 repositories in Yast, Community Repositories.
Where does Suse store the list of repositories i use ?
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Re: [opensuse] Software Update conflicts while introducing KDE4 applications

2007-12-22 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Sat, Dec 22, 2007 at 06:07:01PM +0100, Philippe Landau wrote:
 Robert Smits wrote:
  On December 22, 2007 04:26:45 am Philippe Landau wrote:
  Without having switched to KDE4 i get conflicts
  while trying to update OpenSuse 10.3.
  Where does Suse store the list of repositories i use ?
  I am using Main Repository OSS and non-OSS, nvidia, opensuse edu,
  buildservice mozilla and opensuse 10.3 updates.
  What do you recommend ?
  Yast, Software Repositories, will show you a list of all the repositories 
  you 
  have, as well as which are enabled and which will refresh. You can also add 
  repositories in Yast, Community Repositories.
 Where does Suse store the list of repositories i use ?

10.3, in /etc/zypp/repos.d/

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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Stevens
On Saturday 22 December 2007 10:30, Rajko M. wrote:
 
  Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue
  their idiotic behavior.

 Insulting 90% of people doesn't help to make your case.

 You have to understand that not everyone has the same goals in life as
 you, and also that different goals doesn't mean they are wrong. 

blah, blah, blah, touchy-feely b.s., blah, blah


Having different goals does not change the fact that they are still idiots.
Nobody said they were wrong, just that they are idiots. If they did not
exist I would go broke because I make my living from idiots who pay
me to fix their stuff that they were too stupid to fix themselves which, 
by being idiots, they probably screwed up in the first place. I see
them every day and will attest that yes, they do exist and I cater
to them so that they will not change their behavior and thus will keep
me in groceries. 

To keep this on topic, just because those idiots use Beagle
because their synapses are firing at random does not mean that
all of us need or want it. If it works for them, then GREAT!!! That
is what makes Linux so good. Everyone has the ability to tailor
their system to fit their own needs, unlike the system of choice 
of most idiots.

Fred
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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-22 Thread Anders Johansson
On Saturday 22 December 2007 18:00:43 Carlos E. R. wrote:
 The Saturday 2007-12-22 at 16:06 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:

 [ulimit]

  The real solution here is to find and fix the bug that causes beagle to
  allocate so much memory. It doesn't happen on all systems.
 
  When it happens, a bug should be opened, so that the developers can
  investigate it. It shouldn't be hidden away by tricks like that, it
  should be exposed so it can be solved once and for all

 Actually, it helps solve it, sometimes. The application crashes, probably

I wouldn't say probably. It shouldn't be par for the course for an 
application to not check return values from memory allocation functions

Anders

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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Anders Johansson
On Saturday 22 December 2007 18:06:37 Stevens wrote:
 On Saturday 22 December 2007 10:30, Rajko M. wrote:
   Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue
   their idiotic behavior.
 
  Insulting 90% of people doesn't help to make your case.
 
  You have to understand that not everyone has the same goals in life as
  you, and also that different goals doesn't mean they are wrong.

 blah, blah, blah, touchy-feely b.s., blah, blah


 Having different goals does not change the fact that they are still idiots.
 Nobody said they were wrong, just that they are idiots. If they did not
 exist I would go broke because I make my living from idiots who pay
 me to fix their stuff that they were too stupid to fix themselves

You need to look up the definition of idiot. Nobody can know everything

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Re: [opensuse] Software Update conflicts while introducing KDE4 applications

2007-12-22 Thread Philippe Landau
Rajko M. wrote:
 On Saturday 22 December 2007 06:26:45 am Philippe Landau wrote:
 Without having switched to KDE4 i get conflicts
 while trying to update OpenSuse 10.3.
 Where does Suse store the list of repositories i use ?
 I am using Main Repository OSS and non-OSS, nvidia, opensuse edu,
 buildservice mozilla and opensuse 10.3 updates.
 What do you recommend ?
 Just remove KDE4 pattern. 
 Look in YaST Software Management, Filter: Patterns .
KDE4 Base System is not enabled.
Here are the repositories i am using:
/etc/zypp/repos.d ls
http:__download.nvidia.com_opensuse_10.3.repo
http:__download.opensuse.org_distribution_10.3_repo_debug_.repo
http:__download.opensuse.org_distribution_10.3_repo_non-oss_.repo
http:__download.opensuse.org_repositories_mozilla_openSUSE_10.3_.repo
http:__download.opensuse.org_repositories_openSUSE:10.3_standard_.repo
http:__download.videolan.org_pub_videolan_vlc_SuSE_10.3_.repo
http:__ftp.skynet.be_pub_packman_suse_10.3_.repo
openSUSE-10.3-Updates.repo
opensuse_edu.repo
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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Kai Ponte
On Saturday 22 December 2007 09:13, Anders Johansson wrote:
 On Saturday 22 December 2007 18:06:37 Stevens wrote:
  On Saturday 22 December 2007 10:30, Rajko M. wrote:
Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue
their idiotic behavior.
  
   Insulting 90% of people doesn't help to make your case.
  
   You have to understand that not everyone has the same goals in life as
   you, and also that different goals doesn't mean they are wrong.
 
  blah, blah, blah, touchy-feely b.s., blah, blah
 
 
  Having different goals does not change the fact that they are still
  idiots. Nobody said they were wrong, just that they are idiots. If they
  did not exist I would go broke because I make my living from idiots who
  pay me to fix their stuff that they were too stupid to fix themselves

 You need to look up the definition of idiot. Nobody can know everything


As I tell my kids - there's a billion Chinese people who speak Chinese better 
than I do.

:)

Now back to this new dosbox find, thanks, Anders!
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[opensuse] Backup scheduling

2007-12-22 Thread Jerry Houston
I'm still having issues with scheduling backups, and I resolved to get
them settled today.  I could sure use some advice.

To summarize:  I've gone through the motions to set up two kinds of
backups using YaST.  One is a full system backup that I'd like to
schedule for once a week (and also run it manually after making
significant system changes).  The other is a backup of /etc and /home
that I can schedule daily.  I want to keep three generations of each,
which is the default for the scheduler.

I noticed that despite having defined automated parameters for the
backups, and their showing up in the listing with the times I chose to
run them, it simply doesn't happen.  So I set out to learn more about
crontab, hoping to figure out what's not right.

According to one of my SuSE Linux books (of four, it's the only one with
'cron' in the index!), I need to do that with 'crontab -e', and edit the
file in vi.  Fine ... I can use vi well enough to do that.  But if I
start a console running with my user credentials, that command results
in an error saying I don't have permission. 

Nothing in the book said I needed to be su in order to run it -- in
fact, it implied just the opposite -- but just for grins, I started a
root console and issued the same command.  That worked, and vim started
with an empty list.  (Now that I think about it, I suppose that having
set up the scheduled backups using YaST, it probably would require root
to modify them, but it still puzzles me that I don't have permission to
run crontab as a standard user and schedule my own user tasks.)

So my questions: 

(1) SHOULD I be able to run crontab as a standard user?  Do I need to
add my user account to a specific group in order to be able to do that?

(2) Should I forget about the scheduling that YaST supposedly provides,
and just schedule the backups with tar using crontab from the root
account?  (I haven't used tar before -- hopefully there are options to
tell it to keep three generations.)

(3) Should a bug be reported for YaST (for not actually scheduling the
backups), or is it not really expected to do that?

Thanks for any help with this!
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Re: [opensuse] Backup scheduling

2007-12-22 Thread Anders Johansson
On Saturday 22 December 2007 19:43:50 Jerry Houston wrote:
 (1) SHOULD I be able to run crontab as a standard user?  Do I need to
 add my user account to a specific group in order to be able to do that?

Yes you should. If you run crontab -e as a normal user, it should let you edit 
the crontab for that user

I suspect you have set your system's security level to paranoid or something, 
which has removed the suid bit from crontab. Could that be correct?

 (2) Should I forget about the scheduling that YaST supposedly provides,
 and just schedule the backups with tar using crontab from the root
 account?  (I haven't used tar before -- hopefully there are options to
 tell it to keep three generations.)

 (3) Should a bug be reported for YaST (for not actually scheduling the
 backups), or is it not really expected to do that?

It should put something in /etc/cron.hourly, /etc/cron.daily 
and/or /etc/cron.weekly. It won't put anything in root's personal crontab

Anders

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Re: [opensuse] Cron Job Problem

2007-12-22 Thread Donald D Henson
Anders Johansson wrote:
 On Saturday 22 December 2007 15:42:47 Patrick Shanahan wrote:
 * Donald D Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [12-22-07 04:40]:
 Hmmm. Something magic must have happened. The cron job ran and the
 backup was updated. The only thing I changed was to set
 SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR to Yes. (By the way, where does that mail get
 sent?)I don't understand *why* it worked but it did work.
 SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR merely sets cron to report successful activity
 to root.  It did nothing to your cron job.
 
 It does nothing whatsoever for regular cronjobs. It is a variable read by 
 run-crons, and only sends email for cron jobs in /etc/cron.hourly, cron.daily 
 or cron.weekly
 
 Anders
 
Thanks, everyone. My backup is working so I'd like to leave it as is for
now.

Don Henson

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Re: [opensuse] Encrypted USB - Mac accessible?

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis

Dennis E. Slice wrote:

I have a couple of 300GB USB drives (reiserfs) encrypted with SUSE 10.0.



Encrypted with which encryption system?
There are many to choose from... starting with software which
encrypts individual files, to filesystems that are entirely
hidden AND encrypted.





Can I mount these drives under Mac OS X? If so, how?


You still haven't told us any details about how the data
on them was recordedso without any specifics, how
would anybody know enough by email to answer your question?

In other words...if you need a specific answer, you need
to give specific information.


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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis

Gary Baribault wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

Notwithstanding the fact that Beagle created performance issues

on your

system, have you considered converting from MBox to Maildir

format for

your mail? This will increase performance both in terms of

reading mail

and also probably for Beagle (which probably tried to load your

entire

MBox file into memory in order to index your mail). It doesn't

have to do

that with Maildir since each mail is a separate file.

He (Gary) is using Thunderbird, which I believe does not support
maildir local folders.


That's correct, which I assume is not that rare?

That's the theory, but I have lots of large mboxes and I never lost one.


I have about 40 boxes in subtrees varying from near nothing to 600Mb
for the largest, but the total is between 2Gigs and 2.5Gigs. I don't
think that sets any records, although I assume that it's probably
above average. If Beagle can't index that with decent performance on
my hardware, then I have to wonder what it's doing out of Beta.

Right :-)

-- Cheers,
Carlos E. R.


I just don't understand why it works so bad on such a good computer
and an average data load.


Simple, Gary.

It's poorly designed and/or written, because it's
behavior while executing is very careless, and consumes
resources far in excess of it's utility.

Beagle runs as if the whole reason for having data on a
computer is for beagle to have something to sort, rather
than that the purpose of beagle is to index the data
created and used by the programs that the user actually
wants to have the computer for.

The thing needs a complete overhaul.



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Re: [opensuse] IPv6 and IPv4

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis

Hans Witvliet wrote:

On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 20:21 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

Ronald Wiplinger wrote:

I am a lucky winner of both IPv4 and IPv6.


I do not envy you.


Why? Works as it should.



I never said it didn't as it should.

Just let's say, the organizational issues of operating
a mixed IP network are probably not fun... in the same way
as when operating in  mixed ethernet/token-ring/whatever
environment is...less than ideal.


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Re: NFS sync vs. async mounts (was Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.2 - Fortran compilation very slow through NFS network with a 64bit server and 32bit clients.)

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis

Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Friday 21 December 2007 11:10, primm wrote:

NFS is kind of ugly itself, don't you think?

Ugly? Naah! It's s neat. With nis and nfs anyone can login
anywhere and get their own files and start work right after they've
got a coffee. It just works. Just like NT server before someone
downloded a virus.


Well, I guess if someone else is configuring and maintaining it, sure, 
it's wonderful.


That's why we get paid the big bucks ;-)






Sherry anyone?

Love Lynn x



Loveless in Luser Land,
RRS




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Re: [opensuse] how to turn off GUI on suse linux?

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis

JJB wrote:

Is there something like /etc/init.d/gui stop?



The GUI is   5.

Apparently, you want run level 3 (multi-user with networking)

$ su
password:
# init 3
# exit
$


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Re: [opensuse] Software Update conflicts while introducing KDE4 applications

2007-12-22 Thread Rajko M.
On Saturday 22 December 2007 11:20:28 am Philippe Landau wrote:
 Rajko M. wrote:
  On Saturday 22 December 2007 06:26:45 am Philippe Landau wrote:
  Without having switched to KDE4 i get conflicts
  while trying to update OpenSuse 10.3.
  Where does Suse store the list of repositories i use ?
  I am using Main Repository OSS and non-OSS, nvidia, opensuse edu,
  buildservice mozilla and opensuse 10.3 updates.
  What do you recommend ?
 
  Just remove KDE4 pattern.
  Look in YaST Software Management, Filter: Patterns .

 KDE4 Base System is not enabled.
 Here are the repositories i am using:
 /etc/zypp/repos.d ls
 http:__download.nvidia.com_opensuse_10.3.repo
 http:__download.opensuse.org_distribution_10.3_repo_debug_.repo
 http:__download.opensuse.org_distribution_10.3_repo_non-oss_.repo
 http:__download.opensuse.org_repositories_mozilla_openSUSE_10.3_.repo
 http:__download.opensuse.org_repositories_openSUSE:10.3_standard_.repo
 http:__download.videolan.org_pub_videolan_vlc_SuSE_10.3_.repo
 http:__ftp.skynet.be_pub_packman_suse_10.3_.repo
 openSUSE-10.3-Updates.repo
 opensuse_edu.repo

It looks good, but repositories are not the place where I would start 
troubleshooting. 

I suspect that some package, that was requested, pulled in as dependencies 
some other which ended up as KDE4 dependency problem, so first step would be 
to find offending package. Start removing packages from update list until 
problem disappear. Than you can locate what repository offered package to 
file bug report. 

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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis

Anders Johansson wrote:

On Saturday 22 December 2007 18:00:43 Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Saturday 2007-12-22 at 16:06 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:

[ulimit]


The real solution here is to find and fix the bug that causes beagle to
allocate so much memory. It doesn't happen on all systems.

When it happens, a bug should be opened, so that the developers can
investigate it. It shouldn't be hidden away by tricks like that, it
should be exposed so it can be solved once and for all

Actually, it helps solve it, sometimes. The application crashes, probably


I wouldn't say probably. It shouldn't be par for the course for an 
application to not check return values from memory allocation functions




As I said earlier... the whole thing is poorly written.

Beagle should be scrapped and started over from the
ground up, starting with the design assumption that it
is to behave as an unobtrusive background process, not
the current one which can take over the whole system
with a feed me attitude as if the whole purpose for
a computer and its data to even exist is to provide
something for a beagle process to index.


Anders





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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis

Sloan wrote:

Aaron Kulkis wrote:

Joe Sloan wrote:

Examples, please? What would be the security advantage of typing
/opt/SunWzztop/bin/top every time, instead of top, with
/opt/SunWzztop/bin in the path?

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ which top
/usr/bin/top
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~


Why isn't top in /usr/bin where it belongs?


Our solaris boxes always had top and similar utilities in /opt. Maybe
it's different on solaris 10 (haven't checked), but historically, all
the old school unix vendors shipped pretty bare bones systems from a
usability point of view, and any useful extras tended to go either in
/opt or /usr/local.

We observe a few rules of thumb for the PATH of root - . is verboten,
and world writable directories are out (actually any directory writable
by someone other than root is suspect). Other than those restrictions,
we prefer to use the path variable to make life less awkward and tedious.



And since top is trustworthy, just put a symbolic link in
/usr/bin to the top executable.

Admittedly, it's a patch up, but it's superior to playing
around with the $PATH variable(*) all the time

(*) for one, it doesn't help much for anyone who has a
currently running login with open shell windows, unless
they log off, or at the very least, shut all the shell
windows, and open up new ones.


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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis

Ken Schneider wrote:

Aaron Kulkis pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

Joe Sloan wrote:

root's UID.

Examples, please? What would be the security advantage of typing
/opt/SunWzztop/bin/top every time, instead of top, with
/opt/SunWzztop/bin in the path?

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ which top
/usr/bin/top

  


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~


Why isn't top in /usr/bin where it belongs?



Looks like it is to me.




I should have asked, Joe, why isn't YOUR system's 'top'
command in /usr/bin where it belongs?

I'm asking why on his machines it's in some
bizarro, non-standard location.


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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis

Rajko M. wrote:

On Thursday 20 December 2007 08:57:50 pm Aaron Kulkis wrote:

Kevin Dupuy wrote:



OK, here's the issue: you're not most people. I'm not most people. All
of us subscribed to this mailing list are probably not most people. And
most people don't name their files orderly, and put them in logical
places. I've seen people who write something about a project about the
Civil War and name it project.doc. I would name it Civil War
Project.odt, and that person put the file in their My Pictures folder
because that's where the Save dialog box is open to. They are the people
who would benefit most from Beagle, and that's also about 90% of the
computing population, so if openSUSE wants to reach that 90%, it a good
idea to have Beagle installed by default and turned on.

Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue
their idiotic behavior.


Insulting 90% of people doesn't help to make your case. 

You have to understand that not everyone has the same goals in life as you, 
and also that different goals doesn't mean they are wrong. Would you buy 
vegetables from merchant that is expert in computing, but not so good with 
vegetables? I don't think so. On the other hand you can't deny that merchant 
needs computer for bookkeeping tasks. 

There is much more users that see computer only as a help in their activities, 
but they are not close to idea to become computer administrators, even in the 
smallest amount, to be able to use the box. They consider box good if it is 
help, and they are annoyed if they can do their task faster by hand that with 
a computer, so they are not asking for high performace either. 

That is what marketeers understood long time ago and that is the reason to 
have so many poor performing programs (slow and buggy). They are just better 
than doing job by hand. 

Just take time and observe inexperienced users. 
There will be many actions that you will laugh, like pressing backspace and 
deleting all until they come to misstyped letter and then retyping all again.


I have seen that, and as guy was decision maker in my case I left him alone. 
It was easy to show respect and point better way, but some people take that 
as a insult, not help. They look at help as an attempt to make them feel bad, 
and than they adjust their actions and outcome is less than optimal for 
helper. 




Here's a trick...

When you're dealing with someone who you want to teach
something to...without ruffling any feathers... you just
imply that you're going to give them a little bit of
special, secret knowledge...and while not saying that
specifically, you imply it, by starting out with the
magic phrase, Here's a trick...


Notice how, by using that phrase, you became much more
receptive to what I then told you.


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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis

Joe Sloan wrote:

Dave Howorth wrote:

Joe Sloan wrote:

in fact anything in /opt or /usr/local usually wasn't even in root's
path 

I should hope not! root should have a strictly limited path to limit
security exploits.


I'm not sure the lack of finish characteristic of the old school unices
provides the security benefits you perceive.

In any event the question becomes, is it lack of polish, or a carefully
calculated attempt to limit the damage done by a bad superuser? The fact
that not just roots path, but everybodys path seems a bit anemic on the
old school unices, strongly hints at the former.


No, it's the latter.



IMHO the general user's path should certainly include commonly used
utilities located in non-world-writable directories.


You have to understand, Joe, that anything in /opt is
non-standard, BY DEFINITION.  IF it was standard, then
it would be in /usr or /usr/bin or /usr/X11/bin or
something similar.

top is an edge case... some Unix vendors include it in
their software distributions (HP, for instance), and some
don't.


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Re: [opensuse] My desktop has become lazy lately

2007-12-22 Thread Carlos E. R.

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The Thursday 2007-12-20 at 08:09 +0800, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:


I would therefore suggest to pass cpufreq=no as a boot argument, and use


Tried that, yesterday. All went fine, till a minute ago, it freezed. A 
key (shift), and it waked up. So, it is not that...


And no mistake, frequency has been disssabled:

Dec 21 21:01:11 nimrodel powersaved[4736]: WARNING (CpufreqManagement:51) No 
capability cpufreq_control
Dec 21 21:01:11 nimrodel powersaved[4736]: WARNING (CpufreqManagement:51) No 
capability cpufreq_control

I think I'll try NO_HZ, somebody mentioned it is problematic.

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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Rajko M.
On Friday 21 December 2007 10:28:01 am Aaron Kulkis wrote:
  I just don't understand why it works so bad on such a good computer
  and an average data load.

 Simple, Gary.

 It's poorly designed and/or written, because it's
 behavior while executing is very careless, and consumes
 resources far in excess of it's utility.

 Beagle runs as if the whole reason for having data on a
 computer is for beagle to have something to sort, rather
 than that the purpose of beagle is to index the data
 created and used by the programs that the user actually
 wants to have the computer for.

 The thing needs a complete overhaul.

None up to now told what version of SUSE is used. 
None is trying to start troubleshooting.
Just bashing, with no technical arguments.
 
Kulkis, are you are doing this on your own time? 
I don't think so. 
It is so fine pollution of informational value of this list that it doesn't 
appear as amateur work. 

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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-22 Thread Joe Sloan
Aaron Kulkis wrote:

 And since top is trustworthy, just put a symbolic link in
 /usr/bin to the top executable.
 
 Admittedly, it's a patch up, but it's superior to playing
 around with the $PATH variable(*) all the time
 
 (*) for one, it doesn't help much for anyone who has a
 currently running login with open shell windows, unless
 they log off, or at the very least, shut all the shell
 windows, and open up new ones.

I wasn't going to bring this up since it's more than anyone ever wanted
to know about PATH, but we actually do put /usr/local/bin and /opt/bin
in the path once, then make symbolic links for all the appropriate /opt
binaries into /opt/bin, or /usr/local binaries into /usr/local/bin, for
the reasons that you mentioned.

SuSE packages tend to have these nice little scripts that drop into
/etc/profile.d/, so we don't have to think much about that sort of thing
anymore.

Joe




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Re: [opensuse] Modem working on openSuSE 10.2

2007-12-22 Thread umesh b
On Dec 23, 2007 12:58 AM, umesh b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Dec 22, 2007 6:29 PM, Carlos E. R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 The Saturday 2007-12-22 at 08:49 +0100, Cristea Bogdan wrote:

  I have an external USB modem and trying to get this working on linux.
  I have set up through yast the modem parameters related to Internet
  provider, but I am not able to communicate with the modem. Has anyone
  experienced a similar problem?


 Test the modem first using minicom.

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I have an EVDO USB modem provided by the local telco(ZTE AC8700). Its
working beautifully on open suse, except for when it redials after
connection is reset by telco( for some reason they say traffic).
havent figured out to fix that yet. This is how i made it work.

#1 start tail -f  var/log/messgaes on one of the terminals
#2 insert the USB modem.
#3 check #1 for vendor and product ids if recognized.
#4 give modprobe usbserial module using command and parameters vendor
and productid
  eg : modprobe - v usbserial vendor=0X056C product=0x7000
#5 start pppd service, in opensuse it would be  smpppd
  eg: smpppd -d
#6 use kppp to start dialing to modem. configure the number to be
dialed provided by telco.

We are using usb to serial module here to dial to usb modem. Anybody
has any ideas on the failure case. When modem does a redial, i see
some commands being passed in the modem terminal. But connection does
not get established. Am i missing something here?

Regards,
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[opensuse] Re: banned topic on mindlist...

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis

Conrad Cook wrote:

Yeah, that's pretty intense, man.

Glad you made it back in once piece..


I've been considering going around colleges hassling physicists with a
video camera, to document what science does and does not show.  Too
many other, higher-priority, projects.


How's your big project going?


I found a semiconductor device which puts out
infrared in the correct wavelength window...but
unfortunately, they're like $3500 each... so
this is cost-prohibitive for a mere improvement
on a $400 device.

So, I'm back to searching...





Conrad.




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Conrad Cook wrote:

Aaron, Elroy banned this topic earlier this year (I've been going
through the archives); I wonder if you have an opinion.


If there was anything to the Law of Attraction, I would have
been killed several times over by incoming rockets.

I wrote something about this last spring, on Tom Vizzini's
list, I think.


And the day before I left Rustamiyah, one of the soldiers in
the company that replaced mine was literally hit by a 120mm
Katyusha rocket (body parts spread over a 50 yard radius...)
and his buddy was cut in half by the fragmentation.  Only a
week earlier...my barracks was hit with a mortar at 4:30 AM.

Considering the many times I had considered the possibilities
of indirect fire falling on me, if the LOA had any validity,
I should have been hit, and neither of those guys should have
been touched that day.

  ---

While the particle physics community has discovered that events
are influenced by the mere fact that they are being observed,
the LOA people have taken an idea and run in the exact opposite
direction of what the data points towards...

I'll write more on this particular point (about physics), but
I'm not up to doing it RIGHT NOW


I agree with you re: Doc Houston.  Several years ago, he
seemed quite wise and reasonable, but the last 2 years or
so, he's stepped off the edge into the abyss.






  

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Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.  http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping






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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis

Rajko M. wrote:

On Friday 21 December 2007 10:28:01 am Aaron Kulkis wrote:

I just don't understand why it works so bad on such a good computer
and an average data load.

Simple, Gary.

It's poorly designed and/or written, because it's
behavior while executing is very careless, and consumes
resources far in excess of it's utility.

Beagle runs as if the whole reason for having data on a
computer is for beagle to have something to sort, rather
than that the purpose of beagle is to index the data
created and used by the programs that the user actually
wants to have the computer for.

The thing needs a complete overhaul.


None up to now told what version of SUSE is used.


Beagle is a resource hog no matter what version
of SuSE is used, for the precise reasons I
listed above...it's VERY VERY VERY poorly implemented.


None is trying to start troubleshooting.


The problems with beagle are so self-evident
that it's absolutely amazing that the
maintainers haven't fixed it.


Just bashing, with no technical arguments.


Valid complaints are valid complaints.

Bashing is making unjustified complaints
and writing about beagle and how it is an
unwarranted resource hog for any user who
has a lot of data is NOT an unjustified
complaintit's an observation of fact.

So let's stay away from the langauge of
political correctness (characterizing
a complaint as bashing because frankly,
the software's current state cannot be
defended by any person who is both
knowledgeable and rational).


 
Kulkis, are you are doing this on your own time?


Yes.



I don't think so.


I just got home from Iraq.
I'm on transition leave.


It is so fine pollution of informational value of

 this list that it doesn't appear as amateur work.

I'm a computer systems engineer, and that has been
my profession for many years.

I'm very pro-opensource, and very pro-Linux (i've
been supporting the idea since before I ever even
bothered to go about owning my own computer at home).



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Re: [opensuse] Cron Job Problem

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis

Donald D Henson wrote:

I want to run nightly backups, using rdiff-backup. I want the backups to
go to one disk drive, Backup1, Monday thru Saturday and a different disk
drive, Backup2, on Sunday. I used Kcron to enter the crontab data
running as root. Here's what crontab looks like if I run crontab -l
after logging in as su -:

Earth-svr:~ # crontab -l
# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall.
# (/root/.kde4/tmp-Earth-svr/kcronh31359.tmp installed on Sun Dec 16
16:12:33 2007)
# (Cron version V5.0 -- $Id: crontab.c,v 1.12 2004/01/23 18:56:42
vixie Exp $)
# This file was written by KCron. Copyright (c) 1999, Gary Meyer
# Although KCron supports most crontab formats, use care when editing.
# Note: Lines beginning with #\ indicates a disabled task.

#
5 0 * * 1,2,3,4,5,6 rdiff-backup --exclude-filelist
/home/dhenson/exclude-list-Earth-svr / /media/Backup1
#
5 0 * * 7   rdiff-backup --exclude-filelist
/home/dhenson/exclude-list-Earth-svr / /media/Backup2
Earth-svr:~ #

I'm no expert on cron but the crontab looks okay to me. Does anyone see
anything wrong with crontab? Do you see anything that might cause the
scheduled cron jobs not to run? Any assistance appreciated.


rdiff-backup probably isn't in cron's path.
Try giving a full pathname for rdiff-backup.




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Re: [opensuse] Modem working on openSuSE 10.2

2007-12-22 Thread Carlos E. R.

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The Sunday 2007-12-23 at 01:23 +0530, umesh b wrote:


I have an EVDO USB modem provided by the local telco(ZTE AC8700). Its
working beautifully on open suse, except for when it redials after
connection is reset by telco( for some reason they say traffic).
havent figured out to fix that yet. This is how i made it work.



Telcos don't like redialling a number too soon after the previous attempt 
failed. Dialing is an operation they have to spend some resources 
(compared to an stablished connection), so they may limit the number of 
dials you do in a period. And some modems implement this limitation 
themselves, refusing to redial right after a failure. If this modem was 
given to you by the telco, that's what I would think first. Just wait a 
little time.



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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Carlos E. R.

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The Friday 2007-12-21 at 11:31 -0500, JP Rosevear wrote:


mailbox format is not really accessible through mozilla APIs).  This is
one reason the thunderbird backend is packaged separately, so a quick
thing for Gary to try is to rpm -e beagle-thunderbird and see if that
solves the problem.  If not, its back to:


Ah! That will solve /my/ problem: I do have and use thunderbird, but its 
indexes are obsolete as my mailbox are updated by procmail and I use 
Alpine 95% of the time, not thunderbird.


Just erased that rpm now. :-)

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[opensuse] Kopete stopped working

2007-12-22 Thread Verner Kjærsgaard
Hi list,

SuSE10.2 plain vanilla.

- I just did a stupid thing...went into YaST and asked it to upgrade my 
software. The little whatever-thing at the buttom of my screen has been 
orange for many weeks, it always breaks when I try to upgrade my sw. 
Yesterday, for some odd reason I clicked it, and it worked. Well sort of.

Now my kopete doesn't work.

(KDE 3.5.6 release 25.2)

If I start Kopete from the CLI, I get:

kopete: symbol lookup error: /opt/kde3/lib/libkopete.so.1: undefined symbol: 
_ZN9KLineEdit17mouseReleaseEventEP11QMouseEvent

Eh what to do now? (BTW: gaim works, but I do prefer Kopete...)




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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Kai Ponte
On Friday 21 December 2007 08:28, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

snippage

  I just don't understand why it works so bad on such a good computer
  and an average data load.

 Simple, Gary.

 It's poorly designed and/or written, because it's
 behavior while executing is very careless, and consumes
 resources far in excess of it's utility.

 Beagle runs as if the whole reason for having data on a
 computer is for beagle to have something to sort, rather
 than that the purpose of beagle is to index the data
 created and used by the programs that the user actually
 wants to have the computer for.

 The thing needs a complete overhaul.

Excellent idea, Aaron. 

I think I just read you volunteering.

Here you go...
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Re: [opensuse] Nvidia GeForce 6200 drivers

2007-12-22 Thread Matt T.
On Saturday 22 December 2007, Jim Flanagan wrote:
 Chris Arnold wrote:
  Yesterday, i installed 10.3 on a test drive. Today, i installed 10.3 on
  the regular drive and now i can't get nvidia drivers. No 3d... Yesterday,
  i did an update and rebooted, my display was set for the correct
  resolution and i then enabled desktop effects. Today, no resolution for
  monitor and can not get desktop effects enabled. How do i go about
  getting the geforce 6200 nvidia drivers?

 http://en.opensuse.org/Nvidia

 The green button worked for my 6200. For some reason I can't select 3d,
 but 3d is enabled and working.


I think that is because when using the nvidia drivers 3d is always enabled, 
thus allowing this selection would make no sense  
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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Kai Ponte
On Friday 21 December 2007 08:28, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

snippage

  I just don't understand why it works so bad on such a good computer
  and an average data load.

 Simple, Gary.

 It's poorly designed and/or written, because it's
 behavior while executing is very careless, and consumes
 resources far in excess of it's utility.

 Beagle runs as if the whole reason for having data on a
 computer is for beagle to have something to sort, rather
 than that the purpose of beagle is to index the data
 created and used by the programs that the user actually
 wants to have the computer for.

 The thing needs a complete overhaul.

Excellent idea, Aaron. 

I think I just read you volunteering.

Here you go...

http://beagle-project.org/Development
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[opensuse] will pay for wireless help

2007-12-22 Thread James Gardner
I have a Toshiba p205d-s7454 laptop with a built in atheros wireless card.  The 
chipset is 5006.  I have tried SUSE, Debian, Fedora and Ubuntu, and no 
distribution configures the card.  I have tried madwifi and ndiswrapper.  
Neither works for me.  I need wireless, or the PC is useless to me.  I will pay 
$50.00 to anyone who will stick with me and help me make it work.  I don't care 
what distribution I run, although I prefer SUSE, and I would like to use KDE.  
I will reload from scratch if necessary.  Currently it has opensuse 10.3 on it.

All I ask is that you really know what you are doing, and not just make blind 
stabs at it from reading internet forums.  I have read them all and tried them 
all.  So I need some expert help.

Regards,

James Gardner


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Re: [opensuse] Kopete stopped working

2007-12-22 Thread Rajko M.
On Saturday 22 December 2007 02:43:11 pm Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
 If I start Kopete from the CLI, I get:

 kopete: symbol lookup error: /opt/kde3/lib/libkopete.so.1: undefined
 symbol: _ZN9KLineEdit17mouseReleaseEventEP11QMouseEvent

Hi Verner,

The answer is in the error:
   /opt/kde3/lib/libkopete.so.1 
is probably obsolete and needs update. It slipped somehow from being updated. 
I would look repositories with browser and compare to installed version in 
  /opt/kde3/lib/

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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse and USB card reader?

2007-12-22 Thread James Knott
Aaron Kulkis wrote:

 3.5 inch floppies are going to become increasingly
 difficult to find, in the same way that 12-inch,
 8-inch, and 5-1/4-inch floppies before them became
 rarer and rarer until becoming extinct.

Where'd you see a 12 floppy?  The original, from IBM in the '70's was 8

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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis

Anders Johansson wrote:

On Saturday 22 December 2007 18:06:37 Stevens wrote:

On Saturday 22 December 2007 10:30, Rajko M. wrote:

Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue
their idiotic behavior.

Insulting 90% of people doesn't help to make your case.

You have to understand that not everyone has the same goals in life as
you, and also that different goals doesn't mean they are wrong.

blah, blah, blah, touchy-feely b.s., blah, blah


Having different goals does not change the fact that they are still idiots.
Nobody said they were wrong, just that they are idiots. If they did not
exist I would go broke because I make my living from idiots who pay
me to fix their stuff that they were too stupid to fix themselves


You need to look up the definition of idiot. Nobody can know everything



True.  We're using it in the colloquial sense, that being,
People who know far less than what the can REASONABLY be
expected to know.  Most computer users' behavior is
equivalent to drivers who are not yet qualified to have
a license...they need constant supervision.

Why?

Because they *REFUSE* to learn even basic principles
of effective computer USE and self-protection (the
equivalent of don't drive through red lights).

None of these accountants and other office workers
are professional drivers, but I can damn well assure
you that NONE of them drives around town committing
actions that one would expect from a car with a big,
yellow Student Driver sign on the roof.

And yet, using a computer *IS* part of their job,
but most refuse to learn diddly-squat unless the
threat of being fired is held over their heads --
that's one thing I have really enjoyed about being
a Unix systems admin/engineer.. most of the user
base is engineers (mechanical, or whatever), and
they see learning to use the computer as PART of
learning to do their workeven if they prefer
Windows over Unix.  It's completely antithetical
to the technology-hostile attitude of most of the
Windows userbase (although how much of this is due
to Microsoft's own user-enfeeblement attitude,
I can't say for sure.)


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[opensuse] web cam and kopete

2007-12-22 Thread jdd

Hello,
When I configure kopete (msn), I see the web cam working (I see the 
image), but when I connect, I have not image sent nor received.


where is the setup?

thanks
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