[opensuse-factory] X broke in 10.3?
I have an HP Compaq nc6220 laptop display resolution 1400x1050. Intel GMA900 graphics. I praised SuSE always in previous releases because it was the only distribution that correctly supported the resolution out of the box with no hacks needed. Now in 10.3 it broke. To make the resolution work each time I reload x server I need to use RandR to set the resolution. It defaults to 1152x786 58hz. When I run SaX test it also says Screen (0) 1152 x 786 however everything is configured right. Why did this break??? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Misleading zypper error message
Hello, A recent zypper dup removed the gpg2 package from my system (I have no idea why). When I later tried to update again I ended up with the following error: Checking whether to refresh metadata for factory Downloading: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/content * Downloading [100%] Downloading: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/media.1/media * Downloading [100%] Refreshing 'factory' Downloading: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/content * Downloading [100%] Downloading: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/media.1/media * Downloading [100%] Downloading: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/media.1/media * Downloading [100%] Downloading: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/content.asc * Downloading [100%] Downloading: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/content.key * Downloading [100%] Repository 'factory' is invalid. History: - File /var/cache/zypp/raw/factory4ezyR3/content.key doesn't contain public key data - Valid metadata not found at specified URL(s) Please, check if the URLs defined for this repository are pointing to a valid repository. Skipping repository 'factory' because of the above error. The error message isn't really helpful. Should I open a bug requesting a less misleading error message like gpg not found - couldn't verify key? ciao Joerg -- Joerg Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are stuck with technology when what we really want is just stuff that works. Some say that should read Microsoft instead of technology. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Misleading zypper error message
Am Samstag 22 Dezember 2007 schrieb Joerg Mayer: The error message isn't really helpful. Should I open a bug requesting a less misleading error message like gpg not found - couldn't verify key? I'd say, that depends. If rpm -V zypper libzypp is silent, then it's a bug in the package. But if the gpg2 is a missing dependency, then it's your fault / usual factory problem. BTW: x86_64 still shows these problems as gpg2 is having issues - most likely with the openldap update. Greetings, Stephan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*again*, sigh - Re: [opensuse-factory] ppc factory in stuck again?
ppc appears to be stuck *again*, sigh. I wouldn't be so picky about this, except that at the moment ppc factory is uninstallable because of bug 346872. This is *technically* marked as fixed in libzypp-4.1.6, which was committed on 12/17. But as yet libzypp-4.1.6 hasn't made it to any part of the factory that I can see, although other items that were committed at about the same time *have* made it (at least to the other architectures). Does anybody have any idea what is up with the ppc factory sync, and also libzypp-4.1.6? Thanks, Toni -Original Message- From: Peter Czanik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephan Kulow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: opensuse-factory@opensuse.org; Toni Harbaugh-Blackford [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 5:16 am Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] ppc factory in stuck again? Hello, Stephan Kulow wrote: The ppc factory is not being updated again. Is there a problem? Hi, Looks ok to me. It was not synced out for more than a week, while x86 was regularly updated (I'm also a mirror admin, so I see :-) ). Bye, CzP More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail ! - http://webmail.aim.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: *again*, sigh - Re: [opensuse-factory] ppc factory in stuck again?
Am Samstag 22 Dezember 2007 schrieb Toni Harbaugh-Blackford: ppc appears to be stuck *again*, sigh. I wouldn't be so picky about this, except that at the moment ppc factory is uninstallable because of bug 346872. This is *technically* marked as fixed in Don't worry. If it has been synced out, it would still be uninstallable for other reasons :) It's just the way factory works, the chance it works is still pretty high for the many things that can go wrong. But for your very specific problem, libzypp 4.1.6 does not build: if you have a build service account, see https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=openSUSE%3AFactorypackage=libzypp Greetings, Stephan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] how to turn off GUI on suse linux?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 JJB wrote: Is there something like /etc/init.d/gui stop? Nope, but you can do it two ways: 1. Edit /etc/inittab and change the default init to 3, or 2. Start yast2 change in System/sysconfig-Editor/Desktop/Display manager/DISPLAYMANAGER the entry from kdm/gdm to console. Thus you will stay in init 5 but kdm/gdm wont start. - -- All the best, Peter J. N. aedon DESIGNS, http://www.aedon.eu/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHbMkch8q3OtgoGAwRAprgAJ9umejMptCy2v30L7n78CzwJ5jUjACeIlFk x2QTuzXP4c0TMgqGl9+7ssA= =1pyH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] vbox and vmware compatibility
I installed Xp in vmware, before having the usb compatible virtualbox :-( I read in the vb manual that it can open the vmware vmdk files, but when I try this it say no bootable system found is there a way to use vmware disks with vbox? thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Cron Job Problem
Patrick Shanahan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Donald D Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [12-21-07 18:22]: Dave Howorth wrote: Another suggestion. Start YaST. Go to system, sysconfig editor, system, cron and set SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR to yes. Report back what gets output when the script runs. My apologies for posting the same problem twice. Even after being reminded, I don't remember posting it before. In any case, I'll try using FPN after I try your second suggestion. Don't want to change too many variables at once. The script should run tonight. I'll post what happens. they do not affect each other. The variable only tells cron to report the status of your entry, the other explains to cron where to find the application. Changing both at the same time does not have the effect you allude. You *should* change both. Hmmm. Something magic must have happened. The cron job ran and the backup was updated. The only thing I changed was to set SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR to Yes. (By the way, where does that mail get sent?)I don't understand *why* it worked but it did work. Do you want to leave it as is or would you like to see if we can figure out what happened? Don Henson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Frozen Throne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ken Schneider wrote: Kaare Rasmussen pecked at the keyboard and wrote: Try this: http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/459/ There are links to instructions, I did not check this out fully. Google is your friend, I I did try something similar last time, to no avail. So I was hoping that someone here did have hands on experience. Have you tried playing Rocks and Diamonds? It's a strategy game that I first played on an Atari 800 I owned (still own). Personally, in my off moments raid www.adandonia.com for orphaned DOS games (and I believe some atari stuff on the site). Returning to past bits of fun such as Elite II (now freeware), the Ultima series and early Might and Magic stuff with DOSBOX does round off the odd slow day somewhat :-). - -- == I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHbN6sasN0sSnLmgIRAre7AJ9HmlSIYREuivRX5SRVrIjJ0ZExVgCg9+iH oc6wiiVvfW6rXSc0SN801CE= =s8kR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Frozen Throne
On Saturday 22 December 2007 10:53:48 G T Smith wrote: Ken Schneider wrote: Kaare Rasmussen pecked at the keyboard and wrote: Try this: http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/459/ There are links to instructions, I did not check this out fully. Google is your friend, I I did try something similar last time, to no avail. So I was hoping that someone here did have hands on experience. Have you tried playing Rocks and Diamonds? It's a strategy game that I first played on an Atari 800 I owned (still own). Personally, in my off moments raid www.adandonia.com Should be www.abandonia.com Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Problen with SLES + postfix + sals+ ldap
HEllo i am desperate and i dont kow how to solve my problem. I have install the SLES 10, i have upodate online and i have install the SP1. I want to configure one email server using postfix, sasl, cyrus and the autentication againts the ldap (localhot) I have configure into the dns server (in the same server) 6 domains. Into the email server (always using yast) y have configured the 6 domains, one master and the oherts (5) virutals. the configuration is the next (only i writte what have i change): SASLAUTHD_AUTHMECH=ldap /etc/saslauth.conf: ldap_servers: ldap://localhost:389 ldap_search_base: ou=people,dc=domain1.com,dc=com ldap_filter: uid=%u ldap_group_scope: sub ldap_password_attr:userPassword into /usr/lib/sasl2 i have smtpd.conf: pwcheck_method: saslauthd mech_list: plain login if i make: testsaslauthd -u usuario -p pasword 0: OK Success. 1. problem: i am using the yast for adding users and when y add one ussers and i add it email adress using the yast pluging for editing the email date from user , or if i change the password whe i finalize appears this error into the /var/logs/messages: Dec 22 11:29:54 server master[4560]: about to exec /usr/lib/cyrus/bin/imapd Dec 22 11:29:54 server imap[4560]: executed Dec 22 11:29:54 server imap[4560]: accepted connection Dec 22 11:29:54 server saslauthd[3090]: Entry not found (uid=cyrus). Dec 22 11:29:54 server saslauthd[3090]: Authentication failed for cyrus: User not found (-6) Dec 22 11:29:54 server saslauthd[3090]: do_auth : auth failure: [user=cyrus] [service=imap] [realm=] [mech=ldap] [reason=Unknown] Dec 22 11:29:54 server imap[4560]: badlogin: localhost [127.0.0.1] plaintext cyrus SASL(-13): authentication failure: checkpass failed ¿what is the problem? the cyrus user is into the /etc/passwd, is one system user. 2.- if i have 2 domains: domain1.con and domain2.com and if i what to have 2 emails addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have added 2 users using the yast but to the second user the yast put one email address. if i waht to use for this user other email adress i can add but is impoible to delete the yast has added email address. 3.- if i send ine email to this user appears this error message: Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4749]: accepted connection Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4749]: lmtp connection preauth'd as postman Dec 22 11:40:05 server master[4814]: about to exec /usr/lib/cyrus/bin/lmtpd Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4749]: verify_user(user.carlostinieblas) failed: Mailbox does not exist Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4814]: executed Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4749]: IOERROR: fstating sieve script /var/lib/sieve/c/carlos/defaultbc: No such file or directory Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4749]: duplicate_check: [EMAIL PROTECTED] user.carlos 0 Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4749]: mystore: starting txn 2147483654 Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4749]: mystore: committing txn 2147483654 Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4749]: duplicate_mark: [EMAIL PROTECTED] user.carlos 1198320005 43 what is the problem? the yast doesn't work well? I have into SLES support opened tow issues: #10372072571 and #10372805557 issues into the days: 13/12/2007 and 17/12/2007 and still ther eis not solution. How can i solve this problem? can anybopdy helps me? thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Problen with SLES + postfix + sals+ ldap
On Saturday 22 December 2007 11:46:06 Carlos wrote: 1. problem: i am using the yast for adding users and when y add one ussers and i add it email adress using the yast pluging for editing the email date from user , or if i change the password whe i finalize appears this error into the /var/logs/messages: Dec 22 11:29:54 server master[4560]: about to exec /usr/lib/cyrus/bin/imapd Dec 22 11:29:54 server imap[4560]: executed Dec 22 11:29:54 server imap[4560]: accepted connection Dec 22 11:29:54 server saslauthd[3090]: Entry not found (uid=cyrus). Dec 22 11:29:54 server saslauthd[3090]: Authentication failed for cyrus: User not found (-6) Dec 22 11:29:54 server saslauthd[3090]: do_auth : auth failure: [user=cyrus] [service=imap] [realm=] [mech=ldap] [reason=Unknown] Dec 22 11:29:54 server imap[4560]: badlogin: localhost [127.0.0.1] plaintext cyrus SASL(-13): authentication failure: checkpass failed This looks like you're trying to log in to cyrus imap using the cyrus system user. As far as I know, the cyrus system user doesn't have an email account, so this can't be done. Are you saying YaST itself is making this connection? That's new. YaST should be storing all its info in the LDAP server. I don't think I've ever seen YaST itself make an imap connection ¿what is the problem? the cyrus user is into the /etc/passwd, is one system user. 2.- if i have 2 domains: domain1.con and domain2.com and if i what to have 2 emails addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have added 2 users using the yast but to the second user the yast put one email address. if i waht to use for this user other email adress i can add but is impoible to delete the yast has added email address. Not sure about this one Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4749]: IOERROR: fstating sieve script /var/lib/sieve/c/carlos/defaultbc: No such file or directory This just means that the user hasn't created a sieve script yet. sieve is used by cyrus for server side filtering. It isn't something YaST sets up, it's something each user creates for himself Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Software updates and repositories understanding
Hi, This has been bothering me for a long time as I am battling to understand the usage of software repositories. I haven't been able to find a reference in the fine manual of 10.2 that describes this , hence my question. I realise that the repositories are used for updates but why has some of my software not been updated? I am also not expecting to get an update from 10.2 to 10.3 but I would expect updates for the applications I use on 10.2. I am running 10.2 here and have the following YAST repositories loaded, in the order they are listed: opensuse.mirror.ac.za/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/non-oss/ ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.opensuse.org/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/ www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/non-oss/ ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.suse.com/suse/update/10.2/ (YUM) www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/ opensuse.mirror.ac.za/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/ ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.opensuse.org/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/non-oss/ ftp.suse.compub/suse/update/10.2 (YUM) Despite these repositories being loaded, and me complying to several update requests via opensuse updater for various security updates, as announced on opensuse-security, I am yet to receive an update(my version in brackets) to openoffice(2.0.4), Thunderbird(1.5.0.12) and Firefox(2.0.0.10). I realise the list I receive the notifications on is for security so I do not expect it to come from there, but I do expect opensuseupdater to advise me that there is a STABLE release/update for some of the above installed software. I would have thought that I would have had the latest stable releases as I have oss and non-oss repositories loaded. I have read email about releases for Firefox ?3?, Thunderbird ?2.5? and OO.org 2.3 and yet my system does not have the updated version of the software? If I scour the opensuse site and find stable repositories for the above software, should I add them? I would assume yes as the existing ones have not updated the software substantially, Let us assume, without making an ass out of u and me, that I find the repository for Openoffice of: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/OpenOffice.org:/STABLE/openSUSE_10.2/ Before loading it is as a source I would load it into my browser. Here I see there are several sub directories. I would need to know where to end i.e. at the parent folder ..openSUSE_10.2/, or the ...openSUSE_10.2/repodata/ folder, the ...openSUSE_10.2/i586/ folder or in the ...openSUSE_10.2/noarch folder? I would assume i586 but what is the difference between that and noarch? Bear in mind that I want YAST to do all the downloading, extracting and correct installing i.e. I am a GUI person and know not the path to true light i.e. CLI, yet. But I'll cover that in another email :) Help me understand or give me a link I can read to understand it. TIA P.S: I was unable to find anything to explain what I needed at opensuse or TLDP. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Problen with SLES + postfix + sals+ ldap
i only make these changes using Yast, only yast what can i solve this problem? Can you help me? thanks - Original Message - From: Anders Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: opensuse@opensuse.org Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [opensuse] Problen with SLES + postfix + sals+ ldap On Saturday 22 December 2007 11:46:06 Carlos wrote: 1. problem: i am using the yast for adding users and when y add one ussers and i add it email adress using the yast pluging for editing the email date from user , or if i change the password whe i finalize appears this error into the /var/logs/messages: Dec 22 11:29:54 server master[4560]: about to exec /usr/lib/cyrus/bin/imapd Dec 22 11:29:54 server imap[4560]: executed Dec 22 11:29:54 server imap[4560]: accepted connection Dec 22 11:29:54 server saslauthd[3090]: Entry not found (uid=cyrus). Dec 22 11:29:54 server saslauthd[3090]: Authentication failed for cyrus: User not found (-6) Dec 22 11:29:54 server saslauthd[3090]: do_auth : auth failure: [user=cyrus] [service=imap] [realm=] [mech=ldap] [reason=Unknown] Dec 22 11:29:54 server imap[4560]: badlogin: localhost [127.0.0.1] plaintext cyrus SASL(-13): authentication failure: checkpass failed This looks like you're trying to log in to cyrus imap using the cyrus system user. As far as I know, the cyrus system user doesn't have an email account, so this can't be done. Are you saying YaST itself is making this connection? That's new. YaST should be storing all its info in the LDAP server. I don't think I've ever seen YaST itself make an imap connection ¿what is the problem? the cyrus user is into the /etc/passwd, is one system user. 2.- if i have 2 domains: domain1.con and domain2.com and if i what to have 2 emails addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have added 2 users using the yast but to the second user the yast put one email address. if i waht to use for this user other email adress i can add but is impoible to delete the yast has added email address. Not sure about this one Dec 22 11:40:05 server lmtpunix[4749]: IOERROR: fstating sieve script /var/lib/sieve/c/carlos/defaultbc: No such file or directory This just means that the user hasn't created a sieve script yet. sieve is used by cyrus for server side filtering. It isn't something YaST sets up, it's something each user creates for himself Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Problen with SLES + postfix + sals+ ldap
On Saturday 22 December 2007 12:36:21 Anders Johansson wrote: Are you saying YaST itself is making this connection? That's new. YaST should be storing all its info in the LDAP server. I don't think I've ever seen YaST itself make an imap connection My mistake. I just checked, and YaST does do an imap login as user cyrus to change settings The problem here seems to be that you've changed the defaults. The default is to use pam, which will automatically find the system users in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow, but you've changed it to use sasl, and told sasl to only use ldap. That means you also have to add the cyrus user to ldap Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Totem and MPEG-2 playback
Anders Johansson wrote: I think totem uses gstreamer, so you probably need the fluendo codec for mpeg. You can find it at packman I have the gst-fluendo-mp3 rpm installed and when i type in fluendo in software management (which i have packman as a software repo), gstreamer and flumotion get returned. I don't see gstreamer/fluendo. At packman site, there are gstreamer010-fluendo-mp3 (which i have), gstreamer010-fluendo-mpegdemux and gstreamer010-fluendo-mpegmux; which one do i need? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Problen with SLES + postfix + sals+ ldap
On Saturday 22 December 2007 12:57:00 Carlos wrote: i only make these changes using Yast, only yast what can i solve this problem? I'd need to set up a system with multiple domains in order to test your second problem. The third, as I said, isn't a problem For the first problem, either add user cyrus to your ldap, or change SASLAUTHD_AUTHMECH back to using pam so it can find your system users Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Problen with SLES + postfix + sals+ ldap
On Saturday 22 December 2007 12:57:00 Carlos wrote: i only make these changes using Yast, only yast what can i solve this problem? I'd need to set up a system with multiple domains in order to test your second problem. The third, as I said, isn't a problem For the first problem, either add user cyrus to your ldap, or change SASLAUTHD_AUTHMECH back to using pam so it can find your system users Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Software Update conflicts while introducing KDE4 applications
Hello Without having switched to KDE4 i get conflicts while trying to update OpenSuse 10.3. Where does Suse store the list of repositories i use ? I am using Main Repository OSS and non-OSS, nvidia, opensuse edu, buildservice mozilla and opensuse 10.3 updates. What do you recommend ? Kind regards Philippe -- YaST2 conflicts list - generated 2007-12-22 13:08:57 Can't satisfy requirement libkdefx.so.5 for kde4-kalarm-3.93.0.svn712059-12.i586 === kde4-kalarm-3.93.0.svn712059-12.i586 === libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-6.i586 provides libkdefx.so.5, but is scheduled to be uninstalled. libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-6.i586[http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:10.3/standard/] provides libkdefx.so.5, but another version of that package is already installed. kde4-kalarm-3.93.0.svn712059-12.i586 depends on libkde4 kde4-kalarm-3.93.0.svn712059-12.i586 is lacking the requirement libkdefx.so.5 (null) Conflict Resolution: ( ) delete kde4-kalarm ( ) Ignore this requirement just here ( ) Generally ignore this requirement Can't satisfy requirement libkdefx.so.5 for kde4-kmahjongg-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 === kde4-kmahjongg-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 === libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-6.i586 provides libkdefx.so.5, but is scheduled to be uninstalled. libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-6.i586[http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:10.3/standard/] provides libkdefx.so.5, but another version of that package is already installed. kde4-kmahjongg-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 depends on libkde4 kde4-kmahjongg-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 is lacking the requirement libkdefx.so.5 (null) Conflict Resolution: ( ) delete kde4-kmahjongg ( ) Ignore this requirement just here ( ) Generally ignore this requirement Can't satisfy requirement libkdefx.so.5 for kde4-kmines-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 === kde4-kmines-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 === libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-6.i586 provides libkdefx.so.5, but is scheduled to be uninstalled. libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-6.i586[http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:10.3/standard/] provides libkdefx.so.5, but another version of that package is already installed. kde4-kmines-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 depends on libkde4 kde4-kmines-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 is lacking the requirement libkdefx.so.5 (null) Conflict Resolution: ( ) delete kde4-kmines ( ) Ignore this requirement just here ( ) Generally ignore this requirement Can't satisfy requirement libkdefx.so.5 for kde4-kpat-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 === kde4-kpat-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 === libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-6.i586 provides libkdefx.so.5, but is scheduled to be uninstalled. libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-6.i586[http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:10.3/standard/] provides libkdefx.so.5, but another version of that package is already installed. kde4-kpat-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 depends on libkde4 kde4-kpat-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 is lacking the requirement libkdefx.so.5 (null) Conflict Resolution: ( ) delete kde4-kpat ( ) Ignore this requirement just here ( ) Generally ignore this requirement Can't satisfy requirement libkdefx.so.5 for kde4-krdc-3.93.0.svn712057-16.i586 === kde4-krdc-3.93.0.svn712057-16.i586 === libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-6.i586 provides libkdefx.so.5, but is scheduled to be uninstalled. libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-6.i586[http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:10.3/standard/] provides libkdefx.so.5, but another version of that package is already installed. kde4-krdc-3.93.0.svn712057-16.i586 depends on libkde4 kde4-krdc-3.93.0.svn712057-16.i586 is lacking the requirement libkdefx.so.5 (null) Conflict Resolution: ( ) delete kde4-krdc ( ) Ignore this requirement just here ( ) Generally ignore this requirement Can't satisfy requirement libkdefx.so.5 for kde4-kreversi-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 === kde4-kreversi-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 === libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-6.i586 provides libkdefx.so.5, but is scheduled to be uninstalled. libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-6.i586[http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:10.3/standard/] provides libkdefx.so.5, but another version of that package is already installed. kde4-kreversi-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 depends on libkde4 kde4-kreversi-3.93.0.svn712055-12.i586 is lacking the requirement libkdefx.so.5 (null) Conflict Resolution: ( ) delete kde4-kreversi ( ) Ignore this requirement just here ( ) Generally ignore this requirement Can't satisfy requirement libkdefx.so.5 for kde4-krfb-3.93.0.svn712057-16.i586 === kde4-krfb-3.93.0.svn712057-16.i586 === libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-6.i586 provides libkdefx.so.5, but is scheduled to be uninstalled.
Re: [opensuse] Software updates and repositories understanding
Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote: opensuse.mirror.ac.za/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/non-oss/ ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.opensuse.org/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/ these two are static repository. Usually they don't change after the initial release. Very rarely there is an update if the basic install break too much www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/non-oss/ this one is a duplicate and should be deleted ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.suse.com/suse/update/10.2/ (YUM) this one is the update one, sometime modified (and so have to be refreshed) www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/ duplicate, to be deleted opensuse.mirror.ac.za/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/ ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.opensuse.org/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/non-oss/ triplicates... ftp.suse.compub/suse/update/10.2 (YUM) duplicate updates are only for bugsfixes, there is no version update (and there is little need for them) the full update should be done through YaST online Update (YOU) I have read email about releases for Firefox ?3? non, you will never have such thing. It could cost many dependecies changes, and possibly new bugs. If you want always the very last application you can switch any eight mont for the new openSUSE release (now 10.3) - but it's not always a good idea and not always so easy may you should considere adding packman to your repositories (wee the wiki) 10.3 have a YaST module to add community repositories, but 10.2 haven't jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups
Rodney Baker wrote: Chris, You can install compiz-fusion using one-click without first uninstalling compiz. Yast will take care of dependicies, obsoletes etc. I have done this successfully on 2 systems. I have both KDE and Gnome desktops installed (although I generally use KDE) so I used the one-click install for compiz-fusion-all. Works great. I used the 1-click for gnome and the install went ok. But after i ran the commands compiz-manager and the others (i can't remember them off the top of my head), my windows are missing the close, maximize and minimize buttons (i can not move the windows either by dragging them). Should i go back to compiz or how do i fix this? I also have an untitled window in the panel that will not go away. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Software updates and repositories understanding
Hi, Version updates for released products are extremely rare. Essentially, they only happen when there is a serious bug or security problem, and a backport of the fix is too complicated So yes, if you really want updated versions of the software, you need to either update to the latest suse release, or get the packages from the build service, as you have found On Saturday 22 December 2007 12:43:53 Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote: Let us assume, without making an ass out of u and me, that I find the repository for Openoffice of: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/OpenOffice.org:/STABLE/openSUSE_1 0.2/ Before loading it is as a source I would load it into my browser. Here I see there are several sub directories. I would need to know where to end i.e. at the parent folder ..openSUSE_10.2/, or the ...openSUSE_10.2/repodata/ folder, the ...openSUSE_10.2/i586/ folder or in the ...openSUSE_10.2/noarch folder? I would assume i586 but what is the difference between that and noarch? Bear in mind that I want YAST to do all the downloading, extracting and correct installing i.e. I am a GUI person and know not the path to true light i.e. CLI, yet. But I'll cover that in another email :) Well, the path should end with the suse release, in this case openSUSE_10.2. YaST will take care of finding the correct architecture. noarch means that the packages in there work on all architectures. For example artwork (background images, icons and such) But by far the easiest is to use the one-click install, which is available for 10.2 as well. It will do all the work for you. Install http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE%3A/Tools/openSUSE_10.2/noarch/yast2-metapackage-handler-0.5.2-3.1.noarch.rpm Then, when you search for software at http://software.opensuse.org/search and you see the 1-click install button, you can click it and it will install everything you need for you Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Frozen Throne
aledr wrote: There is World of Warcraft 2 and other games in wine-doors... You can give a try... 2007/12/21, Kai Ponte [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thursday 20 December 2007 13:35, Kaare Rasmussen wrote: Hi Can anybody help me make my kids happy? I would really like to run World of Warcraft and Frozen Throne work on OpenSUSE 10.3. Shouldn't it be possible to do with Wine? I've tried to set ir up and run Heroes III or IV but no luck. A quick howto would be welcomed :-) I play frozen bubble in openSUSE. Never heard of the others. Does that count? Nothing counts against Duke-Nukem-Forever Feeling lucky punk :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Cron Job Problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-12-22 at 02:34 -0700, Donald D Henson wrote: Hmmm. Something magic must have happened. The cron job ran and the backup was updated. The only thing I changed was to set SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR to Yes. (By the way, where does that mail get sent?) It was sent to you, unless you modify it. Check the mail log. I don't understand *why* it worked but it did work. Do you want to leave it as is or would you like to see if we can figure out what happened? If you want to learn for the next time... :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHbQnitTMYHG2NR9URAvdFAJ9LwaIuQWi18WLYQaeHfxn1GVn2MgCgj5jS 7TXYB6xISD2ENdyCZ8IaMFc= =8pq7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Modem working on openSuSE 10.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-12-22 at 08:49 +0100, Cristea Bogdan wrote: I have an external USB modem and trying to get this working on linux. I have set up through yast the modem parameters related to Internet provider, but I am not able to communicate with the modem. Has anyone experienced a similar problem? Test the modem first using minicom. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHbQoZtTMYHG2NR9URApgwAJ9MAUOA4yrtCk3HORDMCzlh7aWW5QCeJYiP uhj1yo2fAtfdJlXudAQx9sY= =coxt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] vbox and vmware compatibility
jdd pecked at the keyboard and wrote: I installed Xp in vmware, before having the usb compatible virtualbox :-( I read in the vb manual that it can open the vmware vmdk files, but when I try this it say no bootable system found is there a way to use vmware disks with vbox? thanks jdd I managed to get a W2K VMware install to boot but I had to run the install repair to do so. I also recommend removing the VMware tools before as well. If you are using a virtual harddisk you only need the vmdk file which you can copy first to try. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Alpine 1.0 is out
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Alpine 1.00 has been finally released. It is the new version of the mail client Pine, with an apache license. It is, as Pine, a text mode MUA. Now it also has a web based user agent. More info: http://www.washington.edu/alpine/ There is a suse repo here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dstoecker/openSUSE_10.3 Or if you want to compile it yourselves, I use the allpatch version from E. Chappa here (the suse version of Pine applies all of these patches, I think): http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/info/all.html - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHbQ1ctTMYHG2NR9URAkS5AJoDhk9yV0XoUit169P5eI1ZuoaD6wCeMdY8 lE0sO/0uDFvJ7gzIxF8ViuA= =XvLi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Graphics problem after fitting new Nvidia card
Hi all, I fitted a new Nvidia 6200geforce (AGP) graphics card a few days ago, and I saw this intermittent (maybe once a week) fault for the 3rd time today. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/phwilliamson/drawing2.png I was running openSuse 10.3 at the time, but I have also seen the same fault in openSuse 10.2. The first two times I saw it, I was using the latest release of the Nvidia drivers, and this last time I was using the latest beta version of the Nvidia drivers. The machine has been fine in most other respects, and the card performs well in 3D. I have just occasionally had some corrupted text, which has cleared if I force a re-draw. The problem shown in the link requires a re-start of the x-server to cure it. My main hope is to find out if this is a hardware or driver problem. I also fitted 2 extra DDR400 memory modules at the same time, so is it likely one of them is faulty ? The card appears to perform well in Windows XP, but I use XP so little it is not much of a test. Only extensive use in XP would prove the point one way or another. Thanks in advance Paul Williamson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Software updates and repositories understanding
On Dec 22, 2007 9:43 AM, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, This has been bothering me for a long time as I am battling to understand the usage of software repositories. I haven't been able to find a reference in the fine manual of 10.2 that describes this , hence my question. I realise that the repositories are used for updates but why has some of my software not been updated? I am also not expecting to get an update from 10.2 to 10.3 but I would expect updates for the applications I use on 10.2. Not exactly. It works more or less like this: the main repository of each release is frozen. It will not change versions. It was tested and it will remains with this versions forever. They dont upgrade (people say upgrade like goin from version 2.4 to 2.6), but there is a repository called update for each release that has updates, being updates small changes (like from 2.4.6-32a to 2.4.6-32b). Updates are small changes, and they are made only for security and some bugfixing purpose. Thats the way it works, it wont get updated. Thats the whole purpose of testing and stabilising a release: you integrate, test and release those exact versions. Thats the right-way-to-do-it (TM). Sometimes people need some more recent software. This situation is kinda rare, most of time people want to upgrade with no reason (its a disease called upgraditis). For providing those extra new software, and some software that eventually is not in the main repository, for any reason, there are the aditional or specific repositories, like the Build service ones. I would have thought that I would have had the latest stable releases as I have oss and non-oss repositories loaded. I have read email about No, as Ive said the policy is that the main repository is frozen. releases for Firefox ?3?, Thunderbird ?2.5? and OO.org 2.3 and yet my system does not have the updated version of the software? You would need extra repositories. Or install 10.3... Some of those stuff wont even be in 10.3, as they are more recent than the 10.3 release. If I scour the opensuse site and find stable repositories for the above software, should I add them? The reasons to upgrade are usually to fix some bug you are having or to get new features. I would assume yes as the existing ones have not updated the software substantially, You can say that, but that doesnt mean its good enough to enter the main repository, because it wasnt tested. You are on your own risk. Let us assume, without making an ass out of u and me, that I find the repository for Openoffice of: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/OpenOffice.org:/STABLE/openSUSE_10.2/ Before loading it is as a source I would load it into my browser. Here I see there are several sub directories. Its good to load it in the browser for 2 reason: i) you know its acessible (some rare repos dont let you list it in the browser) and ii) identify if its really a source (like you've said, to identify where the path ends). For YUM repos, like the ones in Buildservice it ends in the path that contains the directory repodata. Check http://opensuse-community.org/AddSource I would need to know where to end i.e. at the parent folder ..openSUSE_10.2/, or the ...openSUSE_10.2/repodata/ folder, the ...openSUSE_10.2/i586/ folder or in the ...openSUSE_10.2/noarch folder? I would assume i586 but what is the difference between that and noarch? That collection of directories makes one repository. Noarch is just the directory of the repo taht holds the packages that are the same in any arch, for example, one containing wallpapers, themes. Bear in mind that I want YAST to do all the downloading, extracting and correct installing i.e. I am a GUI person and know not the path to true light i.e. CLI, yet. But I'll cover that in another email :) Yast does that, in GUI, ncurses or command line, again check the link to o-c.org Best regards Marcio Ferreira --- Druid -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups
On Saturday 22 December 2007 23:08:36 Chris Arnold wrote: Rodney Baker wrote: Chris, You can install compiz-fusion using one-click without first uninstalling compiz. Yast will take care of dependicies, obsoletes etc. I have done this successfully on 2 systems. I have both KDE and Gnome desktops installed (although I generally use KDE) so I used the one-click install for compiz-fusion-all. Works great. I used the 1-click for gnome and the install went ok. But after i ran the commands compiz-manager and the others (i can't remember them off the top of my head), my windows are missing the close, maximize and minimize buttons (i can not move the windows either by dragging them). Should i go back to compiz or how do i fix this? I also have an untitled window in the panel that will not go away. On KDE (probably the same on Gnome) you run Compiz Fusion Icon. This puts an icon in the system tray that gives you direct access to the Settings Manager, Emerald Theme Manager and some other settings (with a right click on the system tray icon - left click does nothing). Run Compiz Fusion Icon, then right click and check what window decorator is selected. You have the option of GTK, KDE or Emerald. You may also want to experiment with the Loose Binding and Indirect Rendering options under Compiz Options (in the right-click menu). On my NVidia card I don't need either checked (using the proprietary drivers) whereas with the Intel chipset in my laptop I need both. BTW, on my laptop I initially installed just the kde packages via 1-click but I had problems, so I went back and installed compiz-fusion-all. Once I figured out the best settings for each box it has worked flawlessly on both. I am using KDE, not Gnome, so YMMV, but I'm sure there are plenty of Gnome users using it as well. I do have Gnome installed, I just rarely go there. Regards, Rodney. -- === Rodney Baker VK5ZTV [EMAIL PROTECTED] === -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU
Carlos E. R. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-12-20 at 09:22 -1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if one nices and ionices beagle, there still is the matter of swap space getting filled. Usually it is when that happens when ugly thoughts against the developers spring to life. is there a swapnice or something for control of max swap space an app can use? If an application need memory, there is no memory free, and there is swap, the kernel will give it as much as it wants - unless you limit it with ulimit and friends. I just checked the man page for ulimit, and did a search for the string swap and it came up empty... so it looks like ulimit might not help herealthough ulimit -v can set an upper limit on virtual memory, and -d can cap the size of the process's data segment (although I have no idea of how that impacts malloc() or other dynamic memory allocation methods. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Opensuse and USB card reader?
Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote: Aaron Kulkis wrote: Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote: Hi, I am currently in the market for a flash card and floppy disk reader. Yes, floppy disks, the 3.5 ones. The reason I would like a reader for floppy disks as I have in excess of 100 disks that contain Windows drivers that I have needed over the years. Some of these have not been replaced by newer versions as the hardware itself didn't ever fail and so the old adage of If it ain't broke, Don't fix it probably came to the developers mind. I will probably not ever need them again, but they might come in handy for a friend/business associate. With this utility I will be able to transfer the driver files onto a USB flashdisk and also keep another copy in my ~/, which gets backed up each day to an external USB HDD. Professional admin advice here: First, make several CD-R copies of this collection. They can't be accidentally over-written like USB memory sticks. After you have a half dozen CD-R copies, THEN you can worry about USB memory sticks. Point taken, although having a USB floppy disk unit might come in handy for usage on legacy software. 3.5 inch floppies are going to become increasingly difficult to find, in the same way that 12-inch, 8-inch, and 5-1/4-inch floppies before them became rarer and rarer until becoming extinct. Devices which can read CD-R's will remain available for the next 5 years. I would not be confident to bet that a floppy drives will even be available 5 years from now. That's why my recommendation for CD-R's...devices which can read them are ubiquitous, and will remain so for several years into the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Cron Job Problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Donald D Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [12-22-07 04:40]: Hmmm. Something magic must have happened. The cron job ran and the backup was updated. The only thing I changed was to set SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR to Yes. (By the way, where does that mail get sent?)I don't understand *why* it worked but it did work. SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR merely sets cron to report successful activity to root. It did nothing to your cron job. Do you want to leave it as is or would you like to see if we can figure out what happened? You didn't change anything wrt your cron job. BUT, if you don't change it, SEND_MAIL, root will receive mail notification each time a cron job is successful. You *will* change it when you become annoyed with the notification or when /var runs out of space due to the size of root's mailbox. - -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHbSJmClSjbQz1U5oRAjlqAJ42vk6QxF88FqDcOjaAfpvHDOURHgCfVdqv OIRkK7aYgfz5swoMRgn5fLU= =lpr5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 19 December 2007 01:02:56 pm Aaron Kulkis wrote: ah... ionice seems to be a new invention. I'll give it a try when I build a new system this month. Even if one nices and ionices beagle, there still is the matter of swap space getting filled. Usually it is when that happens when ugly thoughts against the developers spring to life. is there a swapnice or something for control of max swap space an app can use? not on my 10.1 system. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups
Rodney Baker wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 23:08:36 Chris Arnold wrote: Rodney Baker wrote: Chris, You can install compiz-fusion using one-click without first uninstalling compiz. Yast will take care of dependicies, obsoletes etc. I have done this successfully on 2 systems. I have both KDE and Gnome desktops installed (although I generally use KDE) so I used the one-click install for compiz-fusion-all. Works great. I used the 1-click for gnome and the install went ok. But after i ran the commands compiz-manager and the others (i can't remember them off the top of my head), my windows are missing the close, maximize and minimize buttons (i can not move the windows either by dragging them). Should i go back to compiz or how do i fix this? I also have an untitled window in the panel that will not go away. On KDE (probably the same on Gnome) you run Compiz Fusion Icon. This puts an icon in the system tray that gives you direct access to the Settings Manager, Emerald Theme Manager and some other settings (with a right click on the system tray icon - left click does nothing). Run Compiz Fusion Icon, then right click and check what window decorator is selected. You have the option of GTK, KDE or Emerald. You may also want to experiment with the Loose Binding and Indirect Rendering options under Compiz Options (in the right-click menu). On my NVidia card I don't need either checked (using the proprietary drivers) whereas with the Intel chipset in my laptop I need both. BTW, on my laptop I initially installed just the kde packages via 1-click but I had problems, so I went back and installed compiz-fusion-all. Once I figured out the best settings for each box it has worked flawlessly on both. I am using KDE, not Gnome, so YMMV, but I'm sure there are plenty of Gnome users using it as well. I do have Gnome installed, I just rarely go there. I am an id10tI failed to see the note in bold that said if you want a startup script, install this (which is compiz manager). I installed this and now i have the windows decorations. But now, i do not have window previews. It is checked in CCSM but a preview does not happen. The funny thing is it was happening when i did not have the windows decorations. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Install 10.3 on drive with the recover on it
Chris Arnold wrote: I am gonna try to explain this as clear as possible. I have an IBM thinkpad T43 and it has that other OS installed. It also has the recovery part on the hard drive that i do not want to destroy (as they did not ship recovery cd's with this system). I want to install suse 10.3 onto this ibm laptop without destroying the recovery section of the drive. The last time i tried this, i could not figure out how to do this without wipping-out the recovery section on the drive. Can anyone explain how to do this without formatting the entire drive? What I would do... is... Buy another 2.5 drive, and install it IN PLACE OF the original hard drive (and for protection of the pins, etc, put it inside a 2.5 drive USB carrier. This way, if you ever want to boot to LoseDOS (or sell the machine), just swap the drives again (and if you get a new laptop...Linux is already installed on the 2.5 disk...boot to run-level 3...play with the graphics and other hardware that needs explicit set up..and voila, you're off and running. but that's just me (sometimes, I would just rather spend the money for the convenience, as long as I'm also getting a tangible object in the whole process). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?
Bryen wrote: On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 02:03 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-12-20 at 14:31 -0600, Bryen wrote: Unless of course that solution destroys the performance on the target system. I am the one who started this thread, and as I stated at the beginning, I have a dual core Turion L52 64bit processor, 1.5Gigs of memory and a 7200 RPM Sata drive, and the performance went out the door. Other than a large MBox in my Thunderbird, I don't have that much data to index, and Beagle took 700Meg or RAM and 1Gig of SWAP, niced or not, that causes a lot of swapping. I think a bigger and more appropriate question is to determine WHY your performance is degraded. Don't you see why it is degraded? It is obvious: his beagle used 700 MB of RAM and 1GB of swap. That's a software problem, a bug in beagle eating that much memory and causing swapping. Not a hardware problem at all. Or are you saying that in order to use beagle he should buy 2 Gigs more? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. I'm saying I'm running it on my primary box with only 640MB RAM, 1 GIG swap and I have no performance issues whatsoever. So, the fact that hardware was discussed before I made my comment, it was to emphasize that the hardware issue is probably moot.Somewhere there's a configuration issue. And it ain't a common issue on every machine, so the point is, instead of bashing Beagle as a problem for everyone, let's focus on why its a problem for SOME people and not others. Then we can get to the root of the problem. Every time I've done a new installation of SuSE, beagle starts up, and beats the hell out of my system -- even a pure SCSI system with 5 hard drives on two controllers. And I always have a preference for lots of memory and swap space paired with CPU's of moderate speed (typically top speed 6-9 months previous, but down to US $100 by the time I purchase it). Basically, it sounds like, for whatever beagle tries to index...with YOUR data, it never consumes many resources. But evidently, for a large number of us, when beagle attempts to process OUR data, it's appetite for memory space and disk I/O is completely unrestrained, and causes system performace for a modern desktop system to be worse than that of a 1980's 64 MB, 30- MHz dual-CPU system with 100 users logged in doing edit/compile/execute cycles. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU
On Friday 21 December 2007 01:06:38 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 20 December 2007 09:38:46 am Carlos E. R. wrote: The Thursday 2007-12-20 at 09:22 -1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if one nices and ionices beagle, there still is the matter of swap space getting filled. Usually it is when that happens when ugly thoughts against the developers spring to life. is there a swapnice or something for control of max swap space an app can use? If an application need memory, there is no memory free, and there is swap, the kernel will give it as much as it wants - unless you limit it with ulimit and friends. -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. a quick info ulimit reveals that perhaps the option RLIMIT_RSS can tell beagle to not fill all ram and swap, no? if so, then a tiny little script could totally control every aspect of resourse utilization by beagle. has anyone tried that? even i could do a small script with nice, ionice and ulimit only... The real solution here is to find and fix the bug that causes beagle to allocate so much memory. It doesn't happen on all systems. When it happens, a bug should be opened, so that the developers can investigate it. It shouldn't be hidden away by tricks like that, it should be exposed so it can be solved once and for all Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?
Kevin Dupuy wrote: On Wed, 2007-12-19 at 18:10 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: Stevens wrote: Today Kevin Dupuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I'm reading right now, I'm presuming either you have no documents, or they are all on your desktop. If you actually did work, you would love Beagle. I do. I've been using Beagle since it's SUSE introduction in 2005 (9.3), and it is a really nice way to find any documents, emails, chats, web history, music, podcasts, videos, etc. that is really easy to find things. Furthermore, as I mentioned on the other thread, I'm trying to figure out why Beagle takes up so much CPU and memory in some people's computers ALSO: Today Peter Van Lone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's desktop search ... what's the big mystery? Have you been living under a rock for the last 2 or 3 years? If you don't want/need desktop search, then fine. Many do. Beagle seems to be a quite useful example of a category of service that many many millions of people use. OK, a little clarification is needed. I neither live under a rock nor do I idle away my time. Nor can I fathom a need for Beagle when it is such a resource hog. I am reminded of a friend who has been buying and using personal computers since the old twin 5 1/4 drive TRS-80 just so he could keep track of his crap. Nowdays he is no better and he uses some kind of file indexing scheme on his Windows box. I used to spend time there helping him with projects; after a day or two, I had all his stuff catalogued in my head and could find it for him faster than he could look it up. Ditto with my files that are strung out over 3 disk drives and in tons of email. For me, Beagle is a terrible waste; for him and others like him, it is probably a Godsend. YMMV. I similarly have no problem finding any file I create which may be years since I last touched it. The key is ORDERLY, LOGICAL creation and naming of both files and directory the trees in both my home directory and other storage areas (such as /local for stuff I download and want to keep from version to version but doesn't really belong in $HOME). Fred By the way, FYI Kevin: my system is: * Intel 2.4GHz CPU, 512MB RAM, Intel chipset * Suse 10.2, kernel 2.6.18, KDE 3.5.5 * kmail, 4800 files, 730MB * no Beagle OK, here's the issue: you're not most people. I'm not most people. All of us subscribed to this mailing list are probably not most people. And most people don't name their files orderly, and put them in logical places. I've seen people who write something about a project about the Civil War and name it project.doc. I would name it Civil War Project.odt, and that person put the file in their My Pictures folder because that's where the Save dialog box is open to. They are the people who would benefit most from Beagle, and that's also about 90% of the computing population, so if openSUSE wants to reach that 90%, it a good idea to have Beagle installed by default and turned on. Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue their idiotic behavior. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups
On Saturday 22 December 2007 15:45:53 Chris Arnold wrote: I am an id10tI failed to see the note in bold that said if you want a startup script, install this (which is compiz manager). I installed this and now i have the windows decorations. But now, i do not have window previews. It is checked in CCSM but a preview does not happen. The funny thing is it was happening when i did not have the windows decorations. By default it only happens for windows on the current desktop. If you want it for all windows on all desktops, you need to configure it Oh, and for the record, compiz fusion is available for SLED10 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/X11:/XGL/SLE_10/ Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups
Anders Johansson wrote: By default it only happens for windows on the current desktop. If you want it for all windows on all desktops, you need to configure it I see. So how do you configure it for all windows on all desktops? Oh, and for the record, compiz fusion is available for SLED10 This is not the reason i switched to 10.3. I switched b/c of the slowness in the dev of SLED. Programs i wanted to use would not install on SLED b/c some of the packages were out of date. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups
Chris Arnold wrote: Anders Johansson wrote: By default it only happens for windows on the current desktop. If you want it for all windows on all desktops, you need to configure it I see. So how do you configure it for all windows on all desktops? I see in CCSM, advanced search and click the windows preview. In that dialog i see taskbar and under it is taskbar shows only windows of current viewpoint and it was checked. I unchecked it and reloaded window manager using the compiz-fusion icon in the panel. Still does not show all windows. As i write this i am thinking maybe have to restart x? Gonna do that and report back -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups
On Saturday 22 December 2007 16:22:37 Chris Arnold wrote: Anders Johansson wrote: By default it only happens for windows on the current desktop. If you want it for all windows on all desktops, you need to configure it I see. So how do you configure it for all windows on all desktops? If you go to the settings for the module, there is an option for it Programs i wanted to use would not install on SLED b/c some of the packages were out of date. Such as? Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups
Chris Arnold wrote: I see in CCSM, advanced search and click the windows preview. In that dialog i see taskbar and under it is taskbar shows only windows of current viewpoint and it was checked. I unchecked it and reloaded window manager using the compiz-fusion icon in the panel. Still does not show all windows. As i write this i am thinking maybe have to restart x? Gonna do that and report back A X restart did not make it work either. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups
On Saturday 22 December 2007 16:41:22 Chris Arnold wrote: Chris Arnold wrote: I see in CCSM, advanced search and click the windows preview. In that dialog i see taskbar and under it is taskbar shows only windows of current viewpoint and it was checked. I unchecked it and reloaded window manager using the compiz-fusion icon in the panel. Still does not show all windows. As i write this i am thinking maybe have to restart x? Gonna do that and report back A X restart did not make it work either. Can you change any settings at all in CCSM? I wonder if perhaps you've started compiz fusion with the gconf configuration setting Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups
Anders Johansson wrote: Can you change any settings at all in CCSM? I wonder if perhaps you've started compiz fusion with the gconf configuration setting Well, i can uncheck windows preview and there isn't a windows preview with the active window. So, i would answer yes, i can change settings in CCSM, to that question. Is there some other way to tell if i have started compiz-fusion with the gconf config setting? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Panel pop-ups
On Saturday 22 December 2007 16:50:14 Chris Arnold wrote: Anders Johansson wrote: Can you change any settings at all in CCSM? I wonder if perhaps you've started compiz fusion with the gconf configuration setting Well, i can uncheck windows preview and there isn't a windows preview with the active window. So, i would answer yes, i can change settings in CCSM, to that question. Is there some other way to tell if i have started compiz-fusion with the gconf config setting? Well, if your changes in CCSM have some effect at all, then you haven't, so you have just checked it. In that case I don't know. All I had to do was to change that setting, and I got the thumbnails from all windows Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Software updates and repositories understanding
jdd wrote about the triplicate installation sources I have listed: Tnx jdd, I'll do a clean-up although doesn't having more than one source provide greater accessibility i.e. if the suse site goes down, perhaps the updates have already been transferred to a mirror which I might then be able to download from? snip openSUSE 11.0 has been budgeted for and I look forward to it and as few bugs as possible. Hylton -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Software updates and repositories understanding
Philippe Landau wrote: Hi Hylton Unfortunately updating OpenSuse is a mess, but it is easy once you know the tricks. Would you like to update to OpenSuse 10.3 ? snip It is the tricks I wanted to learn and updating to 10.3 I have decided against although 11.0 is a 'definite' after watching the list regarding bugs and user experience. Regards Hyltonn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Change gdm login screen color
Using 10.3 and gnome with gdm. As the subject lines suggests, is there a way to change the login screen background/color to something else besides installing a new gdm? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Software updates and repositories understanding
Anders Johansson wrote: Hi, Version updates for released products are extremely rare. Essentially, they only happen when there is a serious bug or security problem, and a backport of the fix is too complicated So yes, if you really want updated versions of the software, you need to either update to the latest suse release, or get the packages from the build service, as you have found Now THAT ANSWERS my question, and poses a new one. If I do decide to download a version update via rpm of software, then I will have to install it by hand to resolve dependencies and compile, and or use the 1-Click install mentioned below ? The trick now is to know what to do when I have downloaded the rpm, and of course which directory to download it to on my system / i.e. /usr, /usr/bin, opt/ i.e. where is a logical folder that I can download software for my system to, besides the classic Linux answer of 'anywhere'? On Saturday 22 December 2007 12:43:53 Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote: ...Before loading it is as a source I would load it into my browser. Here I see there are several sub directories. I would need to know where to end i.e. at the parent folder ..openSUSE_10.2/, or the ...openSUSE_10.2/repodata/ folder, the ...openSUSE_10.2/i586/ folder or in the ...openSUSE_10.2/noarch folder? I would assume i586 but what is the difference between that and noarch? Bear in mind that I want YAST to do all the downloading, extracting and correct installing i.e. I am a GUI person and know not the path to true light i.e. CLI, yet. But I'll cover that in another email :) Well, the path should end with the suse release, in this case openSUSE_10.2. YaST will take care of finding the correct architecture. noarch means that the packages in there work on all architectures. For example artwork (background images, icons and such) Thank you for telling me not to worry about the sub-folders. But by far the easiest is to use the one-click install, which is available for 10.2 as well. It will do all the work for you. Install http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE%3A/Tools/openSUSE_10.2/noarch/yast2-metapackage-handler-0.5.2-3.1.noarch.rpm Then, when you search for software at http://software.opensuse.org/search and you see the 1-click install button, you can click it and it will install everything you need for you Anders Tnx again Anders Hylton -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?
On Thursday 20 December 2007 08:57:50 pm Aaron Kulkis wrote: Kevin Dupuy wrote: OK, here's the issue: you're not most people. I'm not most people. All of us subscribed to this mailing list are probably not most people. And most people don't name their files orderly, and put them in logical places. I've seen people who write something about a project about the Civil War and name it project.doc. I would name it Civil War Project.odt, and that person put the file in their My Pictures folder because that's where the Save dialog box is open to. They are the people who would benefit most from Beagle, and that's also about 90% of the computing population, so if openSUSE wants to reach that 90%, it a good idea to have Beagle installed by default and turned on. Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue their idiotic behavior. Insulting 90% of people doesn't help to make your case. You have to understand that not everyone has the same goals in life as you, and also that different goals doesn't mean they are wrong. Would you buy vegetables from merchant that is expert in computing, but not so good with vegetables? I don't think so. On the other hand you can't deny that merchant needs computer for bookkeeping tasks. There is much more users that see computer only as a help in their activities, but they are not close to idea to become computer administrators, even in the smallest amount, to be able to use the box. They consider box good if it is help, and they are annoyed if they can do their task faster by hand that with a computer, so they are not asking for high performace either. That is what marketeers understood long time ago and that is the reason to have so many poor performing programs (slow and buggy). They are just better than doing job by hand. Just take time and observe inexperienced users. There will be many actions that you will laugh, like pressing backspace and deleting all until they come to misstyped letter and then retyping all again. I have seen that, and as guy was decision maker in my case I left him alone. It was easy to show respect and point better way, but some people take that as a insult, not help. They look at help as an attempt to make them feel bad, and than they adjust their actions and outcome is less than optimal for helper. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Software Update conflicts while introducing KDE4 applications
On Saturday 22 December 2007 06:26:45 am Philippe Landau wrote: Hello Without having switched to KDE4 i get conflicts while trying to update OpenSuse 10.3. Where does Suse store the list of repositories i use ? I am using Main Repository OSS and non-OSS, nvidia, opensuse edu, buildservice mozilla and opensuse 10.3 updates. What do you recommend ? snip Just remove KDE4 pattern. Look in YaST Software Management, Filter: Patterns . -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Software updates and repositories understanding
On December 22, 2007 07:56:12 am Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote: jdd wrote about the triplicate installation sources I have listed: Tnx jdd, I'll do a clean-up although doesn't having more than one source provide greater accessibility i.e. if the suse site goes down, perhaps the updates have already been transferred to a mirror which I might then be able to download from? Having redundant repositories really adds unnecessarily to the amount of time it takes to start doing something with YAST. Just make sure the update site is set to refresh, and you should get updates every few days (at least that's my experience with 10.3). This site, http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories has a good list of additional repositories. -- Bob Smits [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:57:50 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue their idiotic behavior. By fully quoting the mail just to add that comment you're joining the club. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Software updates and repositories understanding
Druid wrote: On Dec 22, 2007 9:43 AM, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, This has been bothering me for a long time as I am battling to understand the usage of software repositories. I haven't been able to find a reference in the fine manual of 10.2 that describes this , hence my question. I realise that the repositories are used for updates but why has some of my software not been updated? I am also not expecting to get an update from 10.2 to 10.3 but I would expect updates for the applications I use on 10.2. Not exactly. It works more or less like this: the main repository of each release is frozen. It will not change versions. It was tested and it will remains with this versions forever. They dont upgrade (people say upgrade like goin from version 2.4 to 2.6), but there is a repository called update for each release that has updates, being updates small changes (like from 2.4.6-32a to 2.4.6-32b). Updates are small changes, and they are made only for security and some bugfixing purpose. OK, like those I have already downloaded and installed. Thats the way it works, it wont get updated. Thats the whole purpose of testing and stabilising a release: you integrate, test and release those exact versions. Thats the right-way-to-do-it (TM). Sometimes people need some more recent software. This situation is kinda rare, most of time people want to upgrade with no reason (its a disease called upgraditis). For providing those extra new software, and some software that eventually is not in the main repository, for any reason, there are the aditional or specific repositories, like the Build service ones. If I get that dreaded upgraditis, I am then on my own, despite it being an opensuse rpm. I am on my own because it hasn't been tested and whilst it may have new features, it may also bring along more problems. I would have thought that I would have had the latest stable releases as I have oss and non-oss repositories loaded. I have read email about... No, as Ive said the policy is that the main repository is frozen. OK ..releases for Firefox ?3?, Thunderbird ?2.5? and OO.org 2.3 and yet my system does not have the updated version of the software? You would need extra repositories. Or install 10.3... Some of those stuff wont even be in 10.3, as they are more recent than the 10.3 release. If I do download and install, I am on my own. If I scour the opensuse site and find stable repositories for the above software, should I add them? The reasons to upgrade are usually to fix some bug you are having or to get new features. In other words, 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' TM! I would assume yes as the existing ones have not updated the software substantially, You can say that, but that doesnt mean its good enough to enter the main repository, because it wasnt tested. You are on your own risk. OK Let us assume, without making an ass out of u and me, that I find the repository for Openoffice of: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/OpenOffice.org:/STABLE/openSUSE_10.2/ Before loading it is as a source I would load it into my browser. Here I see there are several sub directories. Its good to load it in the browser for 2 reason: i) you know its acessible (some rare repos dont let you list it in the browser) and ii) identify if its really a source (like you've said, to identify where the path ends). For YUM repos, like the ones in Buildservice it ends in the path that contains the directory repodata. Check http://opensuse-community.org/AddSource I would need to know where to end i.e. at the parent folder ..openSUSE_10.2/, or the ...openSUSE_10.2/repodata/ folder, the ...openSUSE_10.2/i586/ folder or in the ...openSUSE_10.2/noarch folder? I would assume i586 but what is the difference between that and noarch? That collection of directories makes one repository. Noarch is just the directory of the repo taht holds the packages that are the same in any arch, for example, one containing wallpapers, themes. Bear in mind that I want YAST to do all the downloading, extracting and correct installing i.e. I am a GUI person and know not the path to true light i.e. CLI, yet. But I'll cover that in another email :) Yast does that, in GUI, ncurses or command line, again check the link to o-c.org Tnx DRUID Hylton -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Software Update conflicts while introducing KDE4 applications
On December 22, 2007 04:26:45 am Philippe Landau wrote: Hello Without having switched to KDE4 i get conflicts while trying to update OpenSuse 10.3. Where does Suse store the list of repositories i use ? I am using Main Repository OSS and non-OSS, nvidia, opensuse edu, buildservice mozilla and opensuse 10.3 updates. What do you recommend ? Yast, Software Repositories, will show you a list of all the repositories you have, as well as which are enabled and which will refresh. You can also add repositories in Yast, Community Repositories. -- Bob Smits [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Cron Job Problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-12-22 at 09:42 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR merely sets cron to report successful activity to root. It did nothing to your cron job. ... time a cron job is successful. You *will* change it when you become annoyed with the notification or when /var runs out of space due to the size of root's mailbox. Simply precede the now qorking entry with - and it will not report. Mmm... doubt... I don't remember if it supressed the log entry or mail or both. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHbUIYtTMYHG2NR9URAnGyAJ9bpDif/DSW1KrRVAwQifZq74w4LACeN1i+ 3X3HSf9AkT8AyFA7qXaISm0= =5SSr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Software updates and repositories understanding
On Saturday 22 December 2007 17:49:50 Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote: If I get that dreaded upgraditis, I am then on my own, I've never liked that expression. The whole point of a community is that you're not on your own. There are mailing lists and forums, and you can report the bug (if there is one) to the developers. The one thing you can't do if you install third party rpms is blame suse if things break Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-12-22 at 16:06 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote: [ulimit] The real solution here is to find and fix the bug that causes beagle to allocate so much memory. It doesn't happen on all systems. When it happens, a bug should be opened, so that the developers can investigate it. It shouldn't be hidden away by tricks like that, it should be exposed so it can be solved once and for all Actually, it helps solve it, sometimes. The application crashes, probably with an error, maybe a core dump or a backtrace, and it can be examined. If it doesn't crash, there is nothing to report. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHbUK+tTMYHG2NR9URAglVAJ0ZmRSqUDp9M1Fx2NlfUhVud7qP9QCfciB6 w0c77ulPFsQUYWoHdJhKay8= =h6Ok -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Cron Job Problem
On Saturday 22 December 2007 15:42:47 Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Donald D Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [12-22-07 04:40]: Hmmm. Something magic must have happened. The cron job ran and the backup was updated. The only thing I changed was to set SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR to Yes. (By the way, where does that mail get sent?)I don't understand *why* it worked but it did work. SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR merely sets cron to report successful activity to root. It did nothing to your cron job. It does nothing whatsoever for regular cronjobs. It is a variable read by run-crons, and only sends email for cron jobs in /etc/cron.hourly, cron.daily or cron.weekly Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Software Update conflicts while introducing KDE4 applications
Robert Smits wrote: On December 22, 2007 04:26:45 am Philippe Landau wrote: Without having switched to KDE4 i get conflicts while trying to update OpenSuse 10.3. Where does Suse store the list of repositories i use ? I am using Main Repository OSS and non-OSS, nvidia, opensuse edu, buildservice mozilla and opensuse 10.3 updates. What do you recommend ? Yast, Software Repositories, will show you a list of all the repositories you have, as well as which are enabled and which will refresh. You can also add repositories in Yast, Community Repositories. Where does Suse store the list of repositories i use ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Software Update conflicts while introducing KDE4 applications
On Sat, Dec 22, 2007 at 06:07:01PM +0100, Philippe Landau wrote: Robert Smits wrote: On December 22, 2007 04:26:45 am Philippe Landau wrote: Without having switched to KDE4 i get conflicts while trying to update OpenSuse 10.3. Where does Suse store the list of repositories i use ? I am using Main Repository OSS and non-OSS, nvidia, opensuse edu, buildservice mozilla and opensuse 10.3 updates. What do you recommend ? Yast, Software Repositories, will show you a list of all the repositories you have, as well as which are enabled and which will refresh. You can also add repositories in Yast, Community Repositories. Where does Suse store the list of repositories i use ? 10.3, in /etc/zypp/repos.d/ Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?
On Saturday 22 December 2007 10:30, Rajko M. wrote: Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue their idiotic behavior. Insulting 90% of people doesn't help to make your case. You have to understand that not everyone has the same goals in life as you, and also that different goals doesn't mean they are wrong. blah, blah, blah, touchy-feely b.s., blah, blah Having different goals does not change the fact that they are still idiots. Nobody said they were wrong, just that they are idiots. If they did not exist I would go broke because I make my living from idiots who pay me to fix their stuff that they were too stupid to fix themselves which, by being idiots, they probably screwed up in the first place. I see them every day and will attest that yes, they do exist and I cater to them so that they will not change their behavior and thus will keep me in groceries. To keep this on topic, just because those idiots use Beagle because their synapses are firing at random does not mean that all of us need or want it. If it works for them, then GREAT!!! That is what makes Linux so good. Everyone has the ability to tailor their system to fit their own needs, unlike the system of choice of most idiots. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU
On Saturday 22 December 2007 18:00:43 Carlos E. R. wrote: The Saturday 2007-12-22 at 16:06 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote: [ulimit] The real solution here is to find and fix the bug that causes beagle to allocate so much memory. It doesn't happen on all systems. When it happens, a bug should be opened, so that the developers can investigate it. It shouldn't be hidden away by tricks like that, it should be exposed so it can be solved once and for all Actually, it helps solve it, sometimes. The application crashes, probably I wouldn't say probably. It shouldn't be par for the course for an application to not check return values from memory allocation functions Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?
On Saturday 22 December 2007 18:06:37 Stevens wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 10:30, Rajko M. wrote: Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue their idiotic behavior. Insulting 90% of people doesn't help to make your case. You have to understand that not everyone has the same goals in life as you, and also that different goals doesn't mean they are wrong. blah, blah, blah, touchy-feely b.s., blah, blah Having different goals does not change the fact that they are still idiots. Nobody said they were wrong, just that they are idiots. If they did not exist I would go broke because I make my living from idiots who pay me to fix their stuff that they were too stupid to fix themselves You need to look up the definition of idiot. Nobody can know everything -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Software Update conflicts while introducing KDE4 applications
Rajko M. wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 06:26:45 am Philippe Landau wrote: Without having switched to KDE4 i get conflicts while trying to update OpenSuse 10.3. Where does Suse store the list of repositories i use ? I am using Main Repository OSS and non-OSS, nvidia, opensuse edu, buildservice mozilla and opensuse 10.3 updates. What do you recommend ? Just remove KDE4 pattern. Look in YaST Software Management, Filter: Patterns . KDE4 Base System is not enabled. Here are the repositories i am using: /etc/zypp/repos.d ls http:__download.nvidia.com_opensuse_10.3.repo http:__download.opensuse.org_distribution_10.3_repo_debug_.repo http:__download.opensuse.org_distribution_10.3_repo_non-oss_.repo http:__download.opensuse.org_repositories_mozilla_openSUSE_10.3_.repo http:__download.opensuse.org_repositories_openSUSE:10.3_standard_.repo http:__download.videolan.org_pub_videolan_vlc_SuSE_10.3_.repo http:__ftp.skynet.be_pub_packman_suse_10.3_.repo openSUSE-10.3-Updates.repo opensuse_edu.repo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?
On Saturday 22 December 2007 09:13, Anders Johansson wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 18:06:37 Stevens wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 10:30, Rajko M. wrote: Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue their idiotic behavior. Insulting 90% of people doesn't help to make your case. You have to understand that not everyone has the same goals in life as you, and also that different goals doesn't mean they are wrong. blah, blah, blah, touchy-feely b.s., blah, blah Having different goals does not change the fact that they are still idiots. Nobody said they were wrong, just that they are idiots. If they did not exist I would go broke because I make my living from idiots who pay me to fix their stuff that they were too stupid to fix themselves You need to look up the definition of idiot. Nobody can know everything As I tell my kids - there's a billion Chinese people who speak Chinese better than I do. :) Now back to this new dosbox find, thanks, Anders! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Backup scheduling
I'm still having issues with scheduling backups, and I resolved to get them settled today. I could sure use some advice. To summarize: I've gone through the motions to set up two kinds of backups using YaST. One is a full system backup that I'd like to schedule for once a week (and also run it manually after making significant system changes). The other is a backup of /etc and /home that I can schedule daily. I want to keep three generations of each, which is the default for the scheduler. I noticed that despite having defined automated parameters for the backups, and their showing up in the listing with the times I chose to run them, it simply doesn't happen. So I set out to learn more about crontab, hoping to figure out what's not right. According to one of my SuSE Linux books (of four, it's the only one with 'cron' in the index!), I need to do that with 'crontab -e', and edit the file in vi. Fine ... I can use vi well enough to do that. But if I start a console running with my user credentials, that command results in an error saying I don't have permission. Nothing in the book said I needed to be su in order to run it -- in fact, it implied just the opposite -- but just for grins, I started a root console and issued the same command. That worked, and vim started with an empty list. (Now that I think about it, I suppose that having set up the scheduled backups using YaST, it probably would require root to modify them, but it still puzzles me that I don't have permission to run crontab as a standard user and schedule my own user tasks.) So my questions: (1) SHOULD I be able to run crontab as a standard user? Do I need to add my user account to a specific group in order to be able to do that? (2) Should I forget about the scheduling that YaST supposedly provides, and just schedule the backups with tar using crontab from the root account? (I haven't used tar before -- hopefully there are options to tell it to keep three generations.) (3) Should a bug be reported for YaST (for not actually scheduling the backups), or is it not really expected to do that? Thanks for any help with this! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Backup scheduling
On Saturday 22 December 2007 19:43:50 Jerry Houston wrote: (1) SHOULD I be able to run crontab as a standard user? Do I need to add my user account to a specific group in order to be able to do that? Yes you should. If you run crontab -e as a normal user, it should let you edit the crontab for that user I suspect you have set your system's security level to paranoid or something, which has removed the suid bit from crontab. Could that be correct? (2) Should I forget about the scheduling that YaST supposedly provides, and just schedule the backups with tar using crontab from the root account? (I haven't used tar before -- hopefully there are options to tell it to keep three generations.) (3) Should a bug be reported for YaST (for not actually scheduling the backups), or is it not really expected to do that? It should put something in /etc/cron.hourly, /etc/cron.daily and/or /etc/cron.weekly. It won't put anything in root's personal crontab Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Cron Job Problem
Anders Johansson wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 15:42:47 Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Donald D Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [12-22-07 04:40]: Hmmm. Something magic must have happened. The cron job ran and the backup was updated. The only thing I changed was to set SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR to Yes. (By the way, where does that mail get sent?)I don't understand *why* it worked but it did work. SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR merely sets cron to report successful activity to root. It did nothing to your cron job. It does nothing whatsoever for regular cronjobs. It is a variable read by run-crons, and only sends email for cron jobs in /etc/cron.hourly, cron.daily or cron.weekly Anders Thanks, everyone. My backup is working so I'd like to leave it as is for now. Don Henson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Encrypted USB - Mac accessible?
Dennis E. Slice wrote: I have a couple of 300GB USB drives (reiserfs) encrypted with SUSE 10.0. Encrypted with which encryption system? There are many to choose from... starting with software which encrypts individual files, to filesystems that are entirely hidden AND encrypted. Can I mount these drives under Mac OS X? If so, how? You still haven't told us any details about how the data on them was recordedso without any specifics, how would anybody know enough by email to answer your question? In other words...if you need a specific answer, you need to give specific information. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?
Gary Baribault wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carlos E. R. wrote: Notwithstanding the fact that Beagle created performance issues on your system, have you considered converting from MBox to Maildir format for your mail? This will increase performance both in terms of reading mail and also probably for Beagle (which probably tried to load your entire MBox file into memory in order to index your mail). It doesn't have to do that with Maildir since each mail is a separate file. He (Gary) is using Thunderbird, which I believe does not support maildir local folders. That's correct, which I assume is not that rare? That's the theory, but I have lots of large mboxes and I never lost one. I have about 40 boxes in subtrees varying from near nothing to 600Mb for the largest, but the total is between 2Gigs and 2.5Gigs. I don't think that sets any records, although I assume that it's probably above average. If Beagle can't index that with decent performance on my hardware, then I have to wonder what it's doing out of Beta. Right :-) -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. I just don't understand why it works so bad on such a good computer and an average data load. Simple, Gary. It's poorly designed and/or written, because it's behavior while executing is very careless, and consumes resources far in excess of it's utility. Beagle runs as if the whole reason for having data on a computer is for beagle to have something to sort, rather than that the purpose of beagle is to index the data created and used by the programs that the user actually wants to have the computer for. The thing needs a complete overhaul. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] IPv6 and IPv4
Hans Witvliet wrote: On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 20:21 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: Ronald Wiplinger wrote: I am a lucky winner of both IPv4 and IPv6. I do not envy you. Why? Works as it should. I never said it didn't as it should. Just let's say, the organizational issues of operating a mixed IP network are probably not fun... in the same way as when operating in mixed ethernet/token-ring/whatever environment is...less than ideal. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NFS sync vs. async mounts (was Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.2 - Fortran compilation very slow through NFS network with a 64bit server and 32bit clients.)
Randall R Schulz wrote: On Friday 21 December 2007 11:10, primm wrote: NFS is kind of ugly itself, don't you think? Ugly? Naah! It's s neat. With nis and nfs anyone can login anywhere and get their own files and start work right after they've got a coffee. It just works. Just like NT server before someone downloded a virus. Well, I guess if someone else is configuring and maintaining it, sure, it's wonderful. That's why we get paid the big bucks ;-) Sherry anyone? Love Lynn x Loveless in Luser Land, RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] how to turn off GUI on suse linux?
JJB wrote: Is there something like /etc/init.d/gui stop? The GUI is 5. Apparently, you want run level 3 (multi-user with networking) $ su password: # init 3 # exit $ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Software Update conflicts while introducing KDE4 applications
On Saturday 22 December 2007 11:20:28 am Philippe Landau wrote: Rajko M. wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 06:26:45 am Philippe Landau wrote: Without having switched to KDE4 i get conflicts while trying to update OpenSuse 10.3. Where does Suse store the list of repositories i use ? I am using Main Repository OSS and non-OSS, nvidia, opensuse edu, buildservice mozilla and opensuse 10.3 updates. What do you recommend ? Just remove KDE4 pattern. Look in YaST Software Management, Filter: Patterns . KDE4 Base System is not enabled. Here are the repositories i am using: /etc/zypp/repos.d ls http:__download.nvidia.com_opensuse_10.3.repo http:__download.opensuse.org_distribution_10.3_repo_debug_.repo http:__download.opensuse.org_distribution_10.3_repo_non-oss_.repo http:__download.opensuse.org_repositories_mozilla_openSUSE_10.3_.repo http:__download.opensuse.org_repositories_openSUSE:10.3_standard_.repo http:__download.videolan.org_pub_videolan_vlc_SuSE_10.3_.repo http:__ftp.skynet.be_pub_packman_suse_10.3_.repo openSUSE-10.3-Updates.repo opensuse_edu.repo It looks good, but repositories are not the place where I would start troubleshooting. I suspect that some package, that was requested, pulled in as dependencies some other which ended up as KDE4 dependency problem, so first step would be to find offending package. Start removing packages from update list until problem disappear. Than you can locate what repository offered package to file bug report. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU
Anders Johansson wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 18:00:43 Carlos E. R. wrote: The Saturday 2007-12-22 at 16:06 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote: [ulimit] The real solution here is to find and fix the bug that causes beagle to allocate so much memory. It doesn't happen on all systems. When it happens, a bug should be opened, so that the developers can investigate it. It shouldn't be hidden away by tricks like that, it should be exposed so it can be solved once and for all Actually, it helps solve it, sometimes. The application crashes, probably I wouldn't say probably. It shouldn't be par for the course for an application to not check return values from memory allocation functions As I said earlier... the whole thing is poorly written. Beagle should be scrapped and started over from the ground up, starting with the design assumption that it is to behave as an unobtrusive background process, not the current one which can take over the whole system with a feed me attitude as if the whole purpose for a computer and its data to even exist is to provide something for a beagle process to index. Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU
Sloan wrote: Aaron Kulkis wrote: Joe Sloan wrote: Examples, please? What would be the security advantage of typing /opt/SunWzztop/bin/top every time, instead of top, with /opt/SunWzztop/bin in the path? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ which top /usr/bin/top [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ Why isn't top in /usr/bin where it belongs? Our solaris boxes always had top and similar utilities in /opt. Maybe it's different on solaris 10 (haven't checked), but historically, all the old school unix vendors shipped pretty bare bones systems from a usability point of view, and any useful extras tended to go either in /opt or /usr/local. We observe a few rules of thumb for the PATH of root - . is verboten, and world writable directories are out (actually any directory writable by someone other than root is suspect). Other than those restrictions, we prefer to use the path variable to make life less awkward and tedious. And since top is trustworthy, just put a symbolic link in /usr/bin to the top executable. Admittedly, it's a patch up, but it's superior to playing around with the $PATH variable(*) all the time (*) for one, it doesn't help much for anyone who has a currently running login with open shell windows, unless they log off, or at the very least, shut all the shell windows, and open up new ones. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU
Ken Schneider wrote: Aaron Kulkis pecked at the keyboard and wrote: Joe Sloan wrote: root's UID. Examples, please? What would be the security advantage of typing /opt/SunWzztop/bin/top every time, instead of top, with /opt/SunWzztop/bin in the path? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ which top /usr/bin/top [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ Why isn't top in /usr/bin where it belongs? Looks like it is to me. I should have asked, Joe, why isn't YOUR system's 'top' command in /usr/bin where it belongs? I'm asking why on his machines it's in some bizarro, non-standard location. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?
Rajko M. wrote: On Thursday 20 December 2007 08:57:50 pm Aaron Kulkis wrote: Kevin Dupuy wrote: OK, here's the issue: you're not most people. I'm not most people. All of us subscribed to this mailing list are probably not most people. And most people don't name their files orderly, and put them in logical places. I've seen people who write something about a project about the Civil War and name it project.doc. I would name it Civil War Project.odt, and that person put the file in their My Pictures folder because that's where the Save dialog box is open to. They are the people who would benefit most from Beagle, and that's also about 90% of the computing population, so if openSUSE wants to reach that 90%, it a good idea to have Beagle installed by default and turned on. Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue their idiotic behavior. Insulting 90% of people doesn't help to make your case. You have to understand that not everyone has the same goals in life as you, and also that different goals doesn't mean they are wrong. Would you buy vegetables from merchant that is expert in computing, but not so good with vegetables? I don't think so. On the other hand you can't deny that merchant needs computer for bookkeeping tasks. There is much more users that see computer only as a help in their activities, but they are not close to idea to become computer administrators, even in the smallest amount, to be able to use the box. They consider box good if it is help, and they are annoyed if they can do their task faster by hand that with a computer, so they are not asking for high performace either. That is what marketeers understood long time ago and that is the reason to have so many poor performing programs (slow and buggy). They are just better than doing job by hand. Just take time and observe inexperienced users. There will be many actions that you will laugh, like pressing backspace and deleting all until they come to misstyped letter and then retyping all again. I have seen that, and as guy was decision maker in my case I left him alone. It was easy to show respect and point better way, but some people take that as a insult, not help. They look at help as an attempt to make them feel bad, and than they adjust their actions and outcome is less than optimal for helper. Here's a trick... When you're dealing with someone who you want to teach something to...without ruffling any feathers... you just imply that you're going to give them a little bit of special, secret knowledge...and while not saying that specifically, you imply it, by starting out with the magic phrase, Here's a trick... Notice how, by using that phrase, you became much more receptive to what I then told you. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU
Joe Sloan wrote: Dave Howorth wrote: Joe Sloan wrote: in fact anything in /opt or /usr/local usually wasn't even in root's path I should hope not! root should have a strictly limited path to limit security exploits. I'm not sure the lack of finish characteristic of the old school unices provides the security benefits you perceive. In any event the question becomes, is it lack of polish, or a carefully calculated attempt to limit the damage done by a bad superuser? The fact that not just roots path, but everybodys path seems a bit anemic on the old school unices, strongly hints at the former. No, it's the latter. IMHO the general user's path should certainly include commonly used utilities located in non-world-writable directories. You have to understand, Joe, that anything in /opt is non-standard, BY DEFINITION. IF it was standard, then it would be in /usr or /usr/bin or /usr/X11/bin or something similar. top is an edge case... some Unix vendors include it in their software distributions (HP, for instance), and some don't. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] My desktop has become lazy lately
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-12-20 at 08:09 +0800, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote: I would therefore suggest to pass cpufreq=no as a boot argument, and use Tried that, yesterday. All went fine, till a minute ago, it freezed. A key (shift), and it waked up. So, it is not that... And no mistake, frequency has been disssabled: Dec 21 21:01:11 nimrodel powersaved[4736]: WARNING (CpufreqManagement:51) No capability cpufreq_control Dec 21 21:01:11 nimrodel powersaved[4736]: WARNING (CpufreqManagement:51) No capability cpufreq_control I think I'll try NO_HZ, somebody mentioned it is problematic. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHbWhrtTMYHG2NR9URAi7fAJ9li3ogxoGLpi8Qc0NpJ1MKyTE7UQCfTDTj cO1w3CN/9tXlM6Djar2JEPY= =fBvQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?
On Friday 21 December 2007 10:28:01 am Aaron Kulkis wrote: I just don't understand why it works so bad on such a good computer and an average data load. Simple, Gary. It's poorly designed and/or written, because it's behavior while executing is very careless, and consumes resources far in excess of it's utility. Beagle runs as if the whole reason for having data on a computer is for beagle to have something to sort, rather than that the purpose of beagle is to index the data created and used by the programs that the user actually wants to have the computer for. The thing needs a complete overhaul. None up to now told what version of SUSE is used. None is trying to start troubleshooting. Just bashing, with no technical arguments. Kulkis, are you are doing this on your own time? I don't think so. It is so fine pollution of informational value of this list that it doesn't appear as amateur work. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU
Aaron Kulkis wrote: And since top is trustworthy, just put a symbolic link in /usr/bin to the top executable. Admittedly, it's a patch up, but it's superior to playing around with the $PATH variable(*) all the time (*) for one, it doesn't help much for anyone who has a currently running login with open shell windows, unless they log off, or at the very least, shut all the shell windows, and open up new ones. I wasn't going to bring this up since it's more than anyone ever wanted to know about PATH, but we actually do put /usr/local/bin and /opt/bin in the path once, then make symbolic links for all the appropriate /opt binaries into /opt/bin, or /usr/local binaries into /usr/local/bin, for the reasons that you mentioned. SuSE packages tend to have these nice little scripts that drop into /etc/profile.d/, so we don't have to think much about that sort of thing anymore. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Modem working on openSuSE 10.2
On Dec 23, 2007 12:58 AM, umesh b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 22, 2007 6:29 PM, Carlos E. R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-12-22 at 08:49 +0100, Cristea Bogdan wrote: I have an external USB modem and trying to get this working on linux. I have set up through yast the modem parameters related to Internet provider, but I am not able to communicate with the modem. Has anyone experienced a similar problem? Test the modem first using minicom. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. I have an EVDO USB modem provided by the local telco(ZTE AC8700). Its working beautifully on open suse, except for when it redials after connection is reset by telco( for some reason they say traffic). havent figured out to fix that yet. This is how i made it work. #1 start tail -f var/log/messgaes on one of the terminals #2 insert the USB modem. #3 check #1 for vendor and product ids if recognized. #4 give modprobe usbserial module using command and parameters vendor and productid eg : modprobe - v usbserial vendor=0X056C product=0x7000 #5 start pppd service, in opensuse it would be smpppd eg: smpppd -d #6 use kppp to start dialing to modem. configure the number to be dialed provided by telco. We are using usb to serial module here to dial to usb modem. Anybody has any ideas on the failure case. When modem does a redial, i see some commands being passed in the modem terminal. But connection does not get established. Am i missing something here? Regards, Umesh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: banned topic on mindlist...
Conrad Cook wrote: Yeah, that's pretty intense, man. Glad you made it back in once piece.. I've been considering going around colleges hassling physicists with a video camera, to document what science does and does not show. Too many other, higher-priority, projects. How's your big project going? I found a semiconductor device which puts out infrared in the correct wavelength window...but unfortunately, they're like $3500 each... so this is cost-prohibitive for a mere improvement on a $400 device. So, I'm back to searching... Conrad. --- Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conrad Cook wrote: Aaron, Elroy banned this topic earlier this year (I've been going through the archives); I wonder if you have an opinion. If there was anything to the Law of Attraction, I would have been killed several times over by incoming rockets. I wrote something about this last spring, on Tom Vizzini's list, I think. And the day before I left Rustamiyah, one of the soldiers in the company that replaced mine was literally hit by a 120mm Katyusha rocket (body parts spread over a 50 yard radius...) and his buddy was cut in half by the fragmentation. Only a week earlier...my barracks was hit with a mortar at 4:30 AM. Considering the many times I had considered the possibilities of indirect fire falling on me, if the LOA had any validity, I should have been hit, and neither of those guys should have been touched that day. --- While the particle physics community has discovered that events are influenced by the mere fact that they are being observed, the LOA people have taken an idea and run in the exact opposite direction of what the data points towards... I'll write more on this particular point (about physics), but I'm not up to doing it RIGHT NOW I agree with you re: Doc Houston. Several years ago, he seemed quite wise and reasonable, but the last 2 years or so, he's stepped off the edge into the abyss. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?
Rajko M. wrote: On Friday 21 December 2007 10:28:01 am Aaron Kulkis wrote: I just don't understand why it works so bad on such a good computer and an average data load. Simple, Gary. It's poorly designed and/or written, because it's behavior while executing is very careless, and consumes resources far in excess of it's utility. Beagle runs as if the whole reason for having data on a computer is for beagle to have something to sort, rather than that the purpose of beagle is to index the data created and used by the programs that the user actually wants to have the computer for. The thing needs a complete overhaul. None up to now told what version of SUSE is used. Beagle is a resource hog no matter what version of SuSE is used, for the precise reasons I listed above...it's VERY VERY VERY poorly implemented. None is trying to start troubleshooting. The problems with beagle are so self-evident that it's absolutely amazing that the maintainers haven't fixed it. Just bashing, with no technical arguments. Valid complaints are valid complaints. Bashing is making unjustified complaints and writing about beagle and how it is an unwarranted resource hog for any user who has a lot of data is NOT an unjustified complaintit's an observation of fact. So let's stay away from the langauge of political correctness (characterizing a complaint as bashing because frankly, the software's current state cannot be defended by any person who is both knowledgeable and rational). Kulkis, are you are doing this on your own time? Yes. I don't think so. I just got home from Iraq. I'm on transition leave. It is so fine pollution of informational value of this list that it doesn't appear as amateur work. I'm a computer systems engineer, and that has been my profession for many years. I'm very pro-opensource, and very pro-Linux (i've been supporting the idea since before I ever even bothered to go about owning my own computer at home). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Cron Job Problem
Donald D Henson wrote: I want to run nightly backups, using rdiff-backup. I want the backups to go to one disk drive, Backup1, Monday thru Saturday and a different disk drive, Backup2, on Sunday. I used Kcron to enter the crontab data running as root. Here's what crontab looks like if I run crontab -l after logging in as su -: Earth-svr:~ # crontab -l # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall. # (/root/.kde4/tmp-Earth-svr/kcronh31359.tmp installed on Sun Dec 16 16:12:33 2007) # (Cron version V5.0 -- $Id: crontab.c,v 1.12 2004/01/23 18:56:42 vixie Exp $) # This file was written by KCron. Copyright (c) 1999, Gary Meyer # Although KCron supports most crontab formats, use care when editing. # Note: Lines beginning with #\ indicates a disabled task. # 5 0 * * 1,2,3,4,5,6 rdiff-backup --exclude-filelist /home/dhenson/exclude-list-Earth-svr / /media/Backup1 # 5 0 * * 7 rdiff-backup --exclude-filelist /home/dhenson/exclude-list-Earth-svr / /media/Backup2 Earth-svr:~ # I'm no expert on cron but the crontab looks okay to me. Does anyone see anything wrong with crontab? Do you see anything that might cause the scheduled cron jobs not to run? Any assistance appreciated. rdiff-backup probably isn't in cron's path. Try giving a full pathname for rdiff-backup. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Modem working on openSuSE 10.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-12-23 at 01:23 +0530, umesh b wrote: I have an EVDO USB modem provided by the local telco(ZTE AC8700). Its working beautifully on open suse, except for when it redials after connection is reset by telco( for some reason they say traffic). havent figured out to fix that yet. This is how i made it work. Telcos don't like redialling a number too soon after the previous attempt failed. Dialing is an operation they have to spend some resources (compared to an stablished connection), so they may limit the number of dials you do in a period. And some modems implement this limitation themselves, refusing to redial right after a failure. If this modem was given to you by the telco, that's what I would think first. Just wait a little time. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHbXE3tTMYHG2NR9URAtVEAJ0XquaZZDvkBZp2exqruapivdloDQCgg/Jp Rlc5WsX404A2vPYUotqfFOo= =Au+y -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-12-21 at 11:31 -0500, JP Rosevear wrote: mailbox format is not really accessible through mozilla APIs). This is one reason the thunderbird backend is packaged separately, so a quick thing for Gary to try is to rpm -e beagle-thunderbird and see if that solves the problem. If not, its back to: Ah! That will solve /my/ problem: I do have and use thunderbird, but its indexes are obsolete as my mailbox are updated by procmail and I use Alpine 95% of the time, not thunderbird. Just erased that rpm now. :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHbXKBtTMYHG2NR9URAiXiAJ9lak0P2d+ELlxIpkjcGLZjE/5jowCcCEB4 87sOueRbFbwE8BbeVEV3/Pw= =Gffq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Kopete stopped working
Hi list, SuSE10.2 plain vanilla. - I just did a stupid thing...went into YaST and asked it to upgrade my software. The little whatever-thing at the buttom of my screen has been orange for many weeks, it always breaks when I try to upgrade my sw. Yesterday, for some odd reason I clicked it, and it worked. Well sort of. Now my kopete doesn't work. (KDE 3.5.6 release 25.2) If I start Kopete from the CLI, I get: kopete: symbol lookup error: /opt/kde3/lib/libkopete.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZN9KLineEdit17mouseReleaseEventEP11QMouseEvent Eh what to do now? (BTW: gaim works, but I do prefer Kopete...) -- - Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard Novell Certified Linux Professional 10035701 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?
On Friday 21 December 2007 08:28, Aaron Kulkis wrote: snippage I just don't understand why it works so bad on such a good computer and an average data load. Simple, Gary. It's poorly designed and/or written, because it's behavior while executing is very careless, and consumes resources far in excess of it's utility. Beagle runs as if the whole reason for having data on a computer is for beagle to have something to sort, rather than that the purpose of beagle is to index the data created and used by the programs that the user actually wants to have the computer for. The thing needs a complete overhaul. Excellent idea, Aaron. I think I just read you volunteering. Here you go... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Nvidia GeForce 6200 drivers
On Saturday 22 December 2007, Jim Flanagan wrote: Chris Arnold wrote: Yesterday, i installed 10.3 on a test drive. Today, i installed 10.3 on the regular drive and now i can't get nvidia drivers. No 3d... Yesterday, i did an update and rebooted, my display was set for the correct resolution and i then enabled desktop effects. Today, no resolution for monitor and can not get desktop effects enabled. How do i go about getting the geforce 6200 nvidia drivers? http://en.opensuse.org/Nvidia The green button worked for my 6200. For some reason I can't select 3d, but 3d is enabled and working. I think that is because when using the nvidia drivers 3d is always enabled, thus allowing this selection would make no sense -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?
On Friday 21 December 2007 08:28, Aaron Kulkis wrote: snippage I just don't understand why it works so bad on such a good computer and an average data load. Simple, Gary. It's poorly designed and/or written, because it's behavior while executing is very careless, and consumes resources far in excess of it's utility. Beagle runs as if the whole reason for having data on a computer is for beagle to have something to sort, rather than that the purpose of beagle is to index the data created and used by the programs that the user actually wants to have the computer for. The thing needs a complete overhaul. Excellent idea, Aaron. I think I just read you volunteering. Here you go... http://beagle-project.org/Development -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] will pay for wireless help
I have a Toshiba p205d-s7454 laptop with a built in atheros wireless card. The chipset is 5006. I have tried SUSE, Debian, Fedora and Ubuntu, and no distribution configures the card. I have tried madwifi and ndiswrapper. Neither works for me. I need wireless, or the PC is useless to me. I will pay $50.00 to anyone who will stick with me and help me make it work. I don't care what distribution I run, although I prefer SUSE, and I would like to use KDE. I will reload from scratch if necessary. Currently it has opensuse 10.3 on it. All I ask is that you really know what you are doing, and not just make blind stabs at it from reading internet forums. I have read them all and tried them all. So I need some expert help. Regards, James Gardner -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Kopete stopped working
On Saturday 22 December 2007 02:43:11 pm Verner Kjærsgaard wrote: If I start Kopete from the CLI, I get: kopete: symbol lookup error: /opt/kde3/lib/libkopete.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZN9KLineEdit17mouseReleaseEventEP11QMouseEvent Hi Verner, The answer is in the error: /opt/kde3/lib/libkopete.so.1 is probably obsolete and needs update. It slipped somehow from being updated. I would look repositories with browser and compare to installed version in /opt/kde3/lib/ -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Opensuse and USB card reader?
Aaron Kulkis wrote: 3.5 inch floppies are going to become increasingly difficult to find, in the same way that 12-inch, 8-inch, and 5-1/4-inch floppies before them became rarer and rarer until becoming extinct. Where'd you see a 12 floppy? The original, from IBM in the '70's was 8 -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?
Anders Johansson wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 18:06:37 Stevens wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 10:30, Rajko M. wrote: Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue their idiotic behavior. Insulting 90% of people doesn't help to make your case. You have to understand that not everyone has the same goals in life as you, and also that different goals doesn't mean they are wrong. blah, blah, blah, touchy-feely b.s., blah, blah Having different goals does not change the fact that they are still idiots. Nobody said they were wrong, just that they are idiots. If they did not exist I would go broke because I make my living from idiots who pay me to fix their stuff that they were too stupid to fix themselves You need to look up the definition of idiot. Nobody can know everything True. We're using it in the colloquial sense, that being, People who know far less than what the can REASONABLY be expected to know. Most computer users' behavior is equivalent to drivers who are not yet qualified to have a license...they need constant supervision. Why? Because they *REFUSE* to learn even basic principles of effective computer USE and self-protection (the equivalent of don't drive through red lights). None of these accountants and other office workers are professional drivers, but I can damn well assure you that NONE of them drives around town committing actions that one would expect from a car with a big, yellow Student Driver sign on the roof. And yet, using a computer *IS* part of their job, but most refuse to learn diddly-squat unless the threat of being fired is held over their heads -- that's one thing I have really enjoyed about being a Unix systems admin/engineer.. most of the user base is engineers (mechanical, or whatever), and they see learning to use the computer as PART of learning to do their workeven if they prefer Windows over Unix. It's completely antithetical to the technology-hostile attitude of most of the Windows userbase (although how much of this is due to Microsoft's own user-enfeeblement attitude, I can't say for sure.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] web cam and kopete
Hello, When I configure kopete (msn), I see the web cam working (I see the image), but when I connect, I have not image sent nor received. where is the setup? thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]