[opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-ambassadors] List of global openSUSE Users in Google+
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Sascha Manns saigk...@opensuse.org wrote: Hello Mates, If you would like to add yourself into this List, just click on the Bottom Add members or edit and use the Password: opensuseusers. Then add your Profiles URL: e.g. https://plus.google.com/113047759144486797915 and click on Save List. So we can better find other ppl who sharing our Intersts. Thanks! I have already added myself ;) Regards. -- Ricardo Varas Santana http://ricardovs.wordpress.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-marketing] List of global openSUSE Users in Google+
Hello Mates, some of you have also heard about the new social Network Google+. Some of them who knowing also trying this out. One of the new Features are User generated Lists for Special Interests. So some People has created: * Linux User DE for german Linux User: http://gpc.fm/l/linux_de * Ubuntu User DE for german Ubuntu Users: http://gpc.fm/l/ubuntu_de So i'm pleased to announce one new List for us. You can find our List there: http://gpc.fm/l/opensuseusers If you would like to add yourself into this List, just click on the Bottom Add members or edit and use the Password: opensuseusers. Then add your Profiles URL: e.g. https://plus.google.com/113047759144486797915 and click on Save List. So we can better find other ppl who sharing our Intersts. Have a nice day Sascha -- Sincerely Yours Sascha Manns open-slx Community Support Agent openSUSE Membership Comitee openSUSE Marketing Team Web: http://saigkill.homelinux.net German Community Portal: http://community.open-slx.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
[opensuse] Changes to OpenSUSE mailing list netiquette
I changed a bit http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette and I would like to hear opinions. The changes are: - rewritten former last paragraph 'Conclusion' and put as a first paragraph 'Why we need netiquette?'. - added note about pointlessness of mails that are only warnings -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: hint hint - quit top posting on opensuse mailing list and you might receive help
On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:50:40 +0100 Anders Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 02 November 2007 10:54:59 mukul wrote: So it really does hurt people like you that your dream OS has still got some chinks ;-) Just ignore them. They're not worth getting high blood pressure over I tried to keep it off list, then this person makes a mistake and misreads quit top posting as quit stop posting and forwards it here... just so someone else can tell them to ignore me and my comments about top posting? Go figure. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: hint hint - quit top posting on opensuse mailing list and you might receive help
On Saturday 03 November 2007 15:08:50 Steve Jeppesen wrote: On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:50:40 +0100 Anders Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 02 November 2007 10:54:59 mukul wrote: So it really does hurt people like you that your dream OS has still got some chinks ;-) Just ignore them. They're not worth getting high blood pressure over I tried to keep it off list, then this person makes a mistake and misreads quit top posting as quit stop posting and forwards it here... just so someone else can tell them to ignore me and my comments about top posting? Go figure. I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to the people here with nothing better to do than feed flames, even when the original problem was more or less solved and the original poster had declared that he was reinstalling suse. Why people then would attack him is quite frankly beyond me, and that was what I was referring to, I didn't see any mail about your post I do applaud you for sending such mail off list. It is where they belong. Patrick et al. take note -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: hint hint - quit top posting on opensuse mailing list and you might receive help
On Friday 02 November 2007 10:54:59 mukul wrote: So it really does hurt people like you that your dream OS has still got some chinks ;-) Just ignore them. They're not worth getting high blood pressure over Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: hint hint - quit top posting on opensuse mailing list and you might receive help
Boy you reall *are* an MS-Stooge. One complaint and you can't handle it. Seems to me that you exhibit traits of a bully, just like M$, to get your message across. Ok, now back to Wintendo. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: hint hint - quit top posting on opensuse mailing list and you might receive help
What is top posting On Friday 02 November 2007 02:54:59 am mukul wrote: So it really does hurt people like you that your dream OS has still got some chinks ;-) Steve Jeppesen wrote: Haha seriously, just had to jump in and do that.. And hope we don't go this route again. Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] how to get an anser (was: Re: hint hint - quit top posting on opensuse mailing list and you might receive help)
mukul wrote: So it really does hurt people like you that your dream OS has still got some chinks ;-) Steve Jeppesen wrote: no it does not. And any OS had more chinks than I can think of. On the other hand, please do not forget that this mailing lists help offering is free (as in money). So some answers might take a little longer and there are so many mails flooding in, that I, for example, act like this: -I do not read nor answer anything where the subject is non technical, unless I am specifically interested -I NEVER read or even aswer to anything where the subject is written in CAPITAL letters. I simply do not like people to shout at me that do not pay me for my time. -I never reply to hijacked threads. I feel that someone who does not even take the simplest caution to open and formulate his problem in the subject line, does not deserve my attention. -I stop routinely replying, at soon as it turns out to be a nightmare to read or follow the thread. Btw. this preferably happens when certain people choose to insist on top posting. So it is simple. As far as I am concerned, the likelihood of getting an answer to my problems on this list, dramatically goes up for me, if I adhere to some very simple and easyly understandable rules of list netiquette. recommended reading Howto ask questions the smart way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Opensuse list netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette Kind regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: hint hint - quit top posting on opensuse mailing list and you might receive help
On Friday 02 November 2007 02:54, mukul wrote: So it really does hurt people like you that your dream OS has still got some chinks ;-) Boy you reall *are* an MS-Stooge. No - I recognize that openSUSE has flaws. In fact, I complain loudly about them on a regular basis. You probably just saw someone post about the build service. I have other issues to gripe about. In fact, just yesterday, I lost my DHCP lease on my network and was having issues connecting. Took me a few minutes to reconnect with a command I hadn't used prior. Oh, and I have Wintendo. I use Win2K on one computer at home, WinXP on one computer at work and Vista on another computer at work. IMO, Linux sucks less than Windows. Keep in mind, I've been using Windows for a lng time. I still have my copy of OS/2 1.3, which is about the earliest version of Windows you can get. (I did have NT 3.0 somewhere on floppies but lost it.) I first started doing Windows programming in Visual Basic 2.0 back in '93 and didn't even seriously use Linux until '99. ( http://groups.google.com/group/staroffice.com.support.install.linux/msg/818e98f407aeca9b ) I had tried RedHat in '97 but it wan't viable yet, IMO. So, mister gripe man - please to be heading back to your COLA group. You'll find plenty of like-minded MS-Stooges who will commiserate in your inability to use a modern OS: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/topics?lnk=srg HAND -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] how to get an anser (was: Re: hint hint - quit top posting on opensuse mailing list and you might receive help)
On Friday 02 November 2007 06:37:34 am Eberhard Roloff wrote: recommended reading Howto ask questions the smart way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Opensuse list netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette First one is included in second, thanks to friendly openSUSE wiki editors ;-) -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Package List for 10.3 Beta
Hello guys, Could someone please point me to the package list of 10.3 Beta? I couldn't find it in opensuse.org. Thanks! Jorge -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Package List for 10.3 Beta
Do you mean this? http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/repo/non-oss Jorge Fábregas wrote: Hello guys, Could someone please point me to the package list of 10.3 Beta? I couldn't find it in opensuse.org. Thanks! Jorge -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Package List for 10.3 Beta
On Sunday 23 September 2007 10:17 am, Andrés Cosa wrote: Do you mean this? http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/repo/non-oss No, I mean something ilke this but for 10.3 Beta: http://en.opensuse.org/Package_List/10.2/DVD I could grab the media and scan the contents...but I just simply want to take a look at the package versions that are currently in 10.3 Beta... Thanks, Jorge -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] mail list
Hi, Can you please remove me from [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, apperintly I'm not able to do it manualy. Regards, Zoran -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: list cops blaming top posts
Stevens wrote: On Thursday 06 September 2007 10:55, Eberhard Roloff wrote: At the same time I am not someone that expects anyone in Italy (where I happened to do some vacation) to understand and speak my language. Instead I struggle hard to meet Italians within their own comfort zone as much as I can. Surprise, this works much better for me. :-))) kind regards Eberhard Also, On Thursday 06 September 2007 10:33 Patrick Shanahan wrote: Almost like refusing to remove your shoes when entering an establishment where that action is required. Please, refuse to recognize accepted standards. It's the way to show that you are you. My sons both acted that way when they were 3-5 :^) = I think that there is a bit of confusion here. On the one hand we talk of standards and on the other speak of accomodation. I submit that the de facto standard is the way that millions of emailers send email, not the way that a miniscule number of newsgroupies do. As far as accomodation, please note that I, in fact, do bottom post. I just don't care if someone else does not. Just because the morons in Redmond set up a stupid default configuration in no way obligates everyone else to follow a stupid example. Especially people on a list such as this-- who, by the very fact that they have installed an operating system, and use it, and it's NOT windows, have demonstrated the required computer proficiency to be able to figure out how to properly reply to an e-mail in a coherent readable manner. As far as removing shoes, I guess it depends on how bad your feet stink and what that does to the taste of the sushi. Sushi's not food... sushi is the bait you use to catch food ;-) Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: list cops blaming top posts
David C. Rankin wrote: List cops wax and wane, just ignore the ridiculous or insulting and keep focused on the technical issue at hand and all will be well. David, this is wise advice, indeed. I accept and happily follow your advice. Consequently I already sent a comprehensive answer to a related question that I got from the op via pm. Should that turn out to be successful, I will ask for his permission and then copy to the list. kind regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: list cops blaming top posts
Stevens wrote: Eberhard, and others: I view the list's messages individually in kmail, not as a newsgroup and not with a threaded view. It matters not to me if someone top posts, bottom posts or inserts comments in the included text. In fairness to those who make the mistake of top posting, many email clients (especially the free ones, like Yahoo mail) put you at the top of any included text when you do a reply to. It takes a bit of effort to invert that order. Also, most, if not all, corporate email exchanges use top posting, so insisting that users bottom post is forcing users to modify their behavior to satisfy the limits of the software (your threading newsgroup stuff). Like I said above, I don't give a rip one way or the other. I just find it amusing that I can almost set my watch to the time that it takes someone to admonish No top post, please! Fred it's entirely up to anyone's choice how you prefer to do your mailings. It's also my own choice that I prefer to use a threaded view and it's also up to me to not answer to mails that make it hard for me to understand the discussion. At the same time I am not someone that expects anyone in Italy (where I happened to do some vacation) to understand and speak my language. Instead I struggle hard to meet Italians within their own comfort zone as much as I can. Surprise, this works much better for me. :-))) kind regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: list cops blaming top posts
On Thursday 06 September 2007 10:55, Eberhard Roloff wrote: At the same time I am not someone that expects anyone in Italy (where I happened to do some vacation) to understand and speak my language. Instead I struggle hard to meet Italians within their own comfort zone as much as I can. Surprise, this works much better for me. :-))) kind regards Eberhard Also, On Thursday 06 September 2007 10:33 Patrick Shanahan wrote: Almost like refusing to remove your shoes when entering an establishment where that action is required. Please, refuse to recognize accepted standards. It's the way to show that you are you. My sons both acted that way when they were 3-5 :^) = I think that there is a bit of confusion here. On the one hand we talk of standards and on the other speak of accomodation. I submit that the de facto standard is the way that millions of emailers send email, not the way that a miniscule number of newsgroupies do. As far as accomodation, please note that I, in fact, do bottom post. I just don't care if someone else does not. As far as removing shoes, I guess it depends on how bad your feet stink and what that does to the taste of the sushi. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: list cops blaming top posts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-09-06 at 11:11 -0500, Stevens wrote: I think that there is a bit of confusion here. On the one hand we talk of standards and on the other speak of accomodation. I submit that the de facto standard is the way that millions of emailers send email, not the way that a miniscule number of newsgroupies do. As far as accomodation, please note that I, in fact, do bottom post. I just don't care if someone else does not. There is an RFC about this... so it is an standard :-P - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG4Ch0tTMYHG2NR9URAsxpAJ9RxV0Z4eSHwF1a3Ikk7fsDLYLNMACdEa9d N9o8RhiNcPD/+Kq2zC0G+i8= =4bP1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: list cops blaming top posts
In support to Eberhard: On 9/6/07, Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that there is a bit of confusion here. On the one hand we talk of standards and on the other speak of accomodation. I submit that the de facto standard is the way that millions of emailers send email, not the way that a miniscule number of newsgroupies do. As far as accomodation, please note that I, in fact, do bottom post. I just don't care if someone else does not. Here is how it goes: someone comes to this mailing list to ask for help. Obviously this guy has something to learn. And he is the one who needs help. Together with the right answer, he is provided with a little bit more knowledge - what are the customs here, and why bottom-posting is more acceptable. And now we here, that this guy, who needed information - refuses to use it, because he is so important, that he can not be bothered to move the cursor down few lines and to trim the irrelevant part of the conversation. The message I read is: I can save myself few seconds to not prepare my post as most of the users here expect, and you guys have the obligation to recognize how important my time is, and spend yours to scroll up and down and to help me. In my dictionary the softest word I can use for such an attitude is inpolite. So, you have your right to not care about if someone top or bottom posts, but please respect the extra effort other put to educate the original poster a little bit more. I.e. this is not a posting police, this is a friendly advice. And, yes, I know there are guys here, who will say do not top-post without providing any valuable answer to the question, but ... this is not police as well, there are other terms for them :) As far as removing shoes, I guess it depends on how bad your feet stink and what that does to the taste of the sushi. I got the humor here, but on the serious side - no one is responsible for someone else's hygiene problems. Follow the customs of your host, and prepare accordingly. If you can't, don't go there. Cheers, and let the this thread die, please. -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: list cops blaming top posts
On Thursday 06 September 2007 09:51, Sunny wrote: In support to Eberhard: ... Here is how it goes: someone comes to this mailing list to ask for help. Obviously this guy has something to learn. And he is the one who needs help. Together with the right answer, he is provided with a little bit more knowledge - what are the customs here, and why bottom-posting is more acceptable. And now we here, that this guy, who needed information - refuses to use it, because he is so important, that he can not be bothered to move the cursor down few lines and to trim the irrelevant part of the conversation. The message I read is: I can save myself few seconds to not prepare my post as most of the users here expect, and you guys have the obligation to recognize how important my time is, and spend yours to scroll up and down and to help me. In my dictionary the softest word I can use for such an attitude is inpolite. I think this is the crux of the matter. One person saves a little time by using the least effort path from where he (or she) is to where they want to get. In the process they produce inordinate burden on hundreds or maybe thousands of people, the same ones being asked to lend help! (This is the same thing that leads to thread hijacking. It's so much easier to use the Reply command 'cause it pre-fills the To: header.) At least this list has people on it who care about decorum and list etiquette. The large majority of the lists I participate in (and it's a lot of 'em) are populated by people with atrocious habits. [ By the way, in my dictionary, it's impolite. ] ... -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: list cops blaming top posts
On 9/6/07, Randall R Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ By the way, in my dictionary, it's impolite. ] #smart upgrade mydict Cheers -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: list cops blaming top posts
On Thursday 06 September 2007 19:01:27 Randall R Schulz wrote: (This is the same thing that leads to thread hijacking. It's so much easier to use the Reply command 'cause it pre-fills the To: header.) kmail has mailing list management for folders. This means you can set it up so when you right-click on the folder, you get the new mail to mailing list option. ctrl-shift-n is the shortcut, once the folder's mailing list properties are configured (to configure, highlight the folder, go to the folder menu and select mailing list management. It has autodetection Another way is to right click on the mail address on an old mail in the list and select new mail to Just figured I'd throw it in there. the l for reply to list is frequently mentioned, but this I haven't seen on the list before. Maybe it helps someone to work better with kmail -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: list cops blaming top posts
Sunny wrote: In support to Eberhard: On 9/6/07, Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that there is a bit of confusion here. On the one hand we talk of standards and on the other speak of accomodation. I submit that the de facto standard is the way that millions of emailers send email, not the way that a miniscule number of newsgroupies do. As far as accomodation, please note that I, in fact, do bottom post. I just don't care if someone else does not. Here is how it goes: someone comes to this mailing list to ask for help. Obviously this guy has something to learn. And he is the one who needs help. Together with the right answer, he is provided with a little bit more knowledge - what are the customs here, and why bottom-posting is more acceptable. And now we here, that this guy, who needed information - refuses to use it, because he is so important, that he can not be bothered to move the cursor down few lines and to trim the irrelevant part of the conversation. The message I read is: I can save myself few seconds to not prepare my post as most of the users here expect, and you guys have the obligation to recognize how important my time is, and spend yours to scroll up and down and to help me. In my dictionary the softest word I can use for such an attitude is inpolite. So, you have your right to not care about if someone top or bottom posts, but please respect the extra effort other put to educate the original poster a little bit more. I.e. this is not a posting police, this is a friendly advice. And, yes, I know there are guys here, who will say do not top-post without providing any valuable answer to the question, but ... this is not police as well, there are other terms for them :) As far as removing shoes, I guess it depends on how bad your feet stink and what that does to the taste of the sushi. I got the humor here, but on the serious side - no one is responsible for someone else's hygiene problems. Follow the customs of your host, and prepare accordingly. If you can't, don't go there. Cheers, and let the this thread die, please. Hi Sunny, per PM, since this thread indeed deserves to die. Thank you very much for clarifying this in words that I cannot phrase any better. Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: list cops blaming top posts
Ups, now I got caught by using gmane! Sorry, this was meant to be PM, Apparently PM does not work with gmane, since the real Mail-address is sort of covered by something like this [EMAIL PROTECTED] and, needless to say, it does not work. ;-( I apologize for confusion Eberhard P.S. just tried to see how a top-poster might feel. ;-)) I feel lousy and will not accomodate it. Eberhard Roloff wrote: Sunny wrote: In support to Eberhard: [...] Cheers, and let the this thread die, please. Hi Sunny, per PM, since this thread indeed deserves to die. Thank you very much for clarifying this in words that I cannot phrase any better. Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: list cops blaming top posts
Stevens wrote: Eberhard, and others: I view the list's messages individually in kmail, not as a newsgroup and not with a threaded view. It matters not to me if someone top posts, bottom posts or inserts comments in the included text. In fairness to those who make the mistake of top posting, many email clients (especially the free ones, like Yahoo mail) put you at the top of any included text when you do a reply to. It takes a bit of effort to invert that order. Also, most, if not all, corporate email exchanges use top posting, so insisting that users bottom post is forcing users to modify their behavior to satisfy the limits of the software (your threading newsgroup stuff). Like I said above, I don't give a rip one way or the other. I just find it amusing that I can almost set my watch to the time that it takes someone to admonish No top post, please! My favorite Why is Bottom-posting better than Top-posting page: http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) LinuxBrainDump, Linux HowTo's and Tutorials: http://www.linuxbrainddump.org Daemon Dancing in the Dark, an Open OS weblog: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: list cops blaming top posts
On Thursday 06 September 2007 10:46, Eberhard Roloff wrote: David C. Rankin wrote: List cops wax and wane, just ignore the ridiculous or insulting and keep focused on the technical issue at hand and all will be well. David, this is wise advice, indeed. I accept and happily follow your advice. ... Hi Eberhard, for those that keep forgetting that we have agreed some time ago to a list netiquette, you can use this link: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] slow list
I have received less than 100 messages in two days even on the backup addresses. Is this true of others? -- ___ _ _ _ _ _ _ || | | [__ | | | |___ |_|_| ___] | \/ ---AV Spam Filtering by M+Guardian - Risk Free Email (TM)--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] slow list
On 7/25/07, Carl Spitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have received less than 100 messages in two days even on the backup addresses. Is this true of others? Hey, it's summer - people have vacations :) -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] slow list
Sunny wrote: On 7/25/07, Carl Spitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have received less than 100 messages in two days even on the backup addresses. Is this true of others? Hey, it's summer - people have vacations :) And some of them even have a life. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] slow list
On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 11:04:51AM -0400, James Knott wrote: Sunny wrote: On 7/25/07, Carl Spitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have received less than 100 messages in two days even on the backup addresses. Is this true of others? Hey, it's summer - people have vacations :) And some of them even have a life. ;-) Btw, it is easy to check by just looking at our webarchive. http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/ Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] slow list
On 7/25/07, James Knott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sunny wrote: Hey, it's summer - people have vacations :) And some of them even have a life. ;-) You mean - outside the vacations and work? What happen to the world these days? Who cares about the economy? :) -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] hello list
On Tuesday 05 June 2007, Carlos E. R. wrote: The Monday 2007-06-04 at 18:11 -0800, John Andersen wrote: Yup, studying the part of the Kmail (or what ever you prefer) manual that tells how to have IT AUTOMATICALLY filter the mail into folders so you don;t have to waste your study time. There's lots of ways to do it, but that [opensuse] inserted in the subject line was made for this purpose. Actually, suse recomends (in the FAQ) using the header line: X-Mailinglist: opensuse which is only set for mails coming from the list, whereas the subject line can have the [opensuse] word even if not comming from the list (for instance, on CCed mails). While that's true, not all MUAs know about that header. I have lots of filters that filter on the entire string: [opensuse] square brackets and all. Someone remind me what the official name of a square bracket is.? -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] hello list
John Andersen wrote: On Tuesday 05 June 2007, Carlos E. R. wrote: The Monday 2007-06-04 at 18:11 -0800, John Andersen wrote: Yup, studying the part of the Kmail (or what ever you prefer) manual that tells how to have IT AUTOMATICALLY filter the mail into folders so you don;t have to waste your study time. There's lots of ways to do it, but that [opensuse] inserted in the subject line was made for this purpose. Actually, suse recomends (in the FAQ) using the header line: X-Mailinglist: opensuse which is only set for mails coming from the list, whereas the subject line can have the [opensuse] word even if not comming from the list (for instance, on CCed mails). While that's true, not all MUAs know about that header. I have lots of filters that filter on the entire string: [opensuse] square brackets and all. Someone remind me what the official name of a square bracket is.? square bracket = square bracket ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracket Even though you filter on the entire string, it could still be misfiltered if it is not coming from the list. If it's supported in the software, X-Mailinglist should definitely be used. /Sylvester -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-06-05 at 23:10 -0800, John Andersen wrote: X-Mailinglist: opensuse ... While that's true, not all MUAs know about that header. I have lots of filters that filter on the entire string: [opensuse] square brackets and all. If they don't know, teach them. Ie, they should have the option to use arbitrary headers. Mozilla has something like that, and I'm sure kmail does as well. I can't be precise, I use procmail for all my sorting. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGZoiBtTMYHG2NR9URAmxEAJ9tOvHcxt1TKroEd77WRe9eHL/XowCfcEII qXvv6/Kkg/R4NXu5b3LHIbc= =Q5pi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] hello list
John Andersen wrote: While that's true, not all MUAs know about that header. I have lots of filters that filter on the entire string: [opensuse] Until now I didn't know about that one but have been using the [] method on several mail lists for years with no trouble. Just for fun I checked Thunderbird and found that the the X-Mailinglist wasn't listed in the filter list but there was a customize so I tried adding it. I will see how it works when more messages come in today. Damon Register -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] hello list
Begin forwarded message: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:28:17 -0800 From: John Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] hello list On Sunday 03 June 2007, Munkii wrote: i just made this email exclusively for receiving mailinglists, i got overwhelmed by the amount of emails on my default mail. this's just a test message, feedback, if you can bother! That seems a long way to go just to separate the mail. sarcasm? i'm subscribed to eight mailinglists, when there're over 200 new email in your inbox daily, you miss out on the important ones, (and god help you if you are using gnome's mail-notifier) i just don't like to go through 900+ emails to get to the ones i want. What mailer are you using that can not automatically sort messages into proper sub-folders? gmail? it doesn't support folders, just that crippled feature called labels, and my local mail client is evolution - *NOT* the best for handling mailinglists emails either. i'm using Claws-Mail for this mailinglist now, keeping evolution for personal mails. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] hello list
On Monday 04 June 2007 01:35, Munkii wrote: sarcasm? i'm subscribed to eight mailinglists, when there're over 200 new email in your inbox daily, you miss out on the important ones Munkii, man you have got to get a real isp and mail client. I get somewhere between 250-750 emails every day and if there were no automated mail client sitting here sorting those babies out into their 200+ respective folders it would be less than good. (Kmail is good, Thunderbird is really good... how about Eudora for Linux...? ) -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] hello list
On Sunday 03 June 2007, M Harris wrote: On Monday 04 June 2007 01:35, Munkii wrote: sarcasm? i'm subscribed to eight mailinglists, when there're over 200 new email in your inbox daily, you miss out on the important ones Munkii, man you have got to get a real isp and mail client. I get somewhere between 250-750 emails every day and if there were no automated mail client sitting here sorting those babies out into their 200+ respective folders it would be less than good. (Kmail is good, Thunderbird is really good... how about Eudora for Linux...? ) Agreed. Popping his Gmail with Kmail (or whatever) would do it. He wouldn't even lose the ability to read it anywhere via a web browser, because you have the options of saving a copy in gmail (or not). I generally avoid using gmail's archiving feature with mailing lists that have archives of their own. Seems sort of abusive to Google's largess to fill their disks with mail just as easily found on the web. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] hello list
On Sunday 03 June 2007, Munkii wrote: That seems a long way to go just to separate the mail. sarcasm? Not at all. I meant it as a non-judgmental observation. i'm subscribed to eight mailinglists, when there're over 200 new email in your inbox daily, you miss out on the important ones, (and god help you if you are using gnome's mail-notifier) i just don't like to go through 900+ emails to get to the ones i want. You can pop your Gmail with any Linux / Windows mail reader and use local sorting to put stuff into folders. Best of both worlds, because Gmail still filters the spam. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] hello list
On 06/04/2007 Munkii wrote: sarcasm? i'm subscribed to eight mailinglists, when there're over 200 new email in your inbox daily, you miss out on the important ones, (and god help you if you are using gnome's mail-notifier) i just don't like to go through 900+ emails to get to the ones i want. This list is easy. Just delete anything from a thread over two days old. After two days everyone with something intellegent to say is done and it's just more list spam. -- (o:]*HUGGLES*[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: I LOVE YOU Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] hello list
Billie Erin Walsh wrote: On 06/04/2007 Munkii wrote: sarcasm? i'm subscribed to eight mailinglists, when there're over 200 new email in your inbox daily, you miss out on the important ones, (and god help you if you are using gnome's mail-notifier) i just don't like to go through 900+ emails to get to the ones i want. This list is easy. Just delete anything from a thread over two days old. After two days everyone with something intellegent to say is done and it's just more list spam. Did you just travel 2 days back in time to tell us THIS? ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: [opensuse] hello list
on Mon, 4 Jun 2007 02:00:21 -0500, M Harris wrote.. On Monday 04 June 2007 01:35, Munkii wrote: sarcasm? i'm subscribed to eight mailinglists, when there're over 200 new email in your inbox daily, you miss out on the important ones Munkii, man you have got to get a real isp and mail client. I get somewhere between 250-750 emails every day and if there were no automated mail client sitting here sorting those babies out into their 200+ respective folders it would be less than good. (Kmail is good, Thunderbird is really good... how about Eudora for Linux...? ) I like evolution because it's a personal organizer, but of course it fails miserably as a proper mail client, i understand that Korganizer is another option, but as if it's not clear by now, i use Gnome, and i can't stand Qt interface even if it offers better functionality. Claws Mail seems to be the best choice right now, it's customizable to the bone, kinda like Galeon (which is my favourite web browser now, by far), and it automatically puts related emails in a tree view, which is kinda neat! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] hello list
on Mon, 4 Jun 2007 01:29:39 -0800, John Andersen wrote.. On Sunday 03 June 2007, Munkii wrote: i'm subscribed to eight mailinglists, when there're over 200 new email in your inbox daily, you miss out on the important ones, (and god help you if you are using gnome's mail-notifier) i just don't like to go through 900+ emails to get to the ones i want. You can pop your Gmail with any Linux / Windows mail reader and Windows? i thought this word is banned?.. use local sorting to put stuff into folders. Best of both worlds, because Gmail still filters the spam. that is the problem in the first place, i don't have the time to sort stuff into folders, i have college exams coming up soon, and i merely have the time to check my email once or twice a day.. i should probably have started studying earlier =P by the way, this's getting WAY off-topic! lol -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] hello list
On Monday 04 June 2007 09:52, Munkii wrote: i just made this email exclusively for receiving mailinglists, i got overwhelmed by the amount of emails on my default mail. this's just a test message, feedback, if you can bother! If reading to this makes you feel better: I've never delete any emails except spams. So, over the years my Kmail folder is around 12GB now, with about 1,000,000 emails. The oldest email I have is dated 1998 (I store few spams in my Yahoo mail dated 1998 too. LOL). I subscribe to about two dozen lists. As if I have my own Google, when need to search for something, I just search it in the mail folder :) -- Fajar Priyanto | Reg'd Linux User #327841 | Linux tutorial http://linux2.arinet.org 7:43am up 1:22, 2.6.18.2-34-default GNU/Linux Let's use OpenOffice. http://www.openoffice.org pgp4eszGSUtHL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] hello list
On Monday 04 June 2007, Munkii wrote: that is the problem in the first place, i don't have the time to sort stuff into folders, i have college exams coming up soon, and i merely have the time to check my email once or twice a day.. i should probably have started studying earlier =P Yup, studying the part of the Kmail (or what ever you prefer) manual that tells how to have IT AUTOMATICALLY filter the mail into folders so you don;t have to waste your study time. There's lots of ways to do it, but that [opensuse] inserted in the subject line was made for this purpose. But I don't want to pull you from your finals for a problem you have already solved another way. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] hello list
i just made this email exclusively for receiving mailinglists, i got overwhelmed by the amount of emails on my default mail. this's just a test message, feedback, if you can bother! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] hello list
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 05:52:55 +0300 Munkii [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i just made this email exclusively for receiving mailinglists, i got overwhelmed by the amount of emails on my default mail. this's just a test message, feedback, if you can bother! got your msg here, but isn't there a test mailing list? dunno the address... Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] hello list
On Sunday 03 June 2007, Munkii wrote: i just made this email exclusively for receiving mailinglists, i got overwhelmed by the amount of emails on my default mail. this's just a test message, feedback, if you can bother! That seems a long way to go just to separate the mail. What mailer are you using that can not automatically sort messages into proper sub-folders? -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] opensuse list server problems
Hi, On Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 16:26:45, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Sunny [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-08-07 16:19]: Since today, on every post I make to opensuse@opensuse.org, I receive the message bellow. Is it just me, or a know problem? You would probably have better luck addressing: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is gmail specific. Can we meet in #opensuse-project on irc.freenode.net to get this sorted? I probably need specifics on your gmail setup. Henne -- ml-admin http://www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] opensuse list server problems [SOLVED]
On 5/9/07, Henne Vogelsang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 16:26:45, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Sunny [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-08-07 16:19]: Since today, on every post I make to opensuse@opensuse.org, I receive the message bellow. Is it just me, or a know problem? You would probably have better luck addressing: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is gmail specific. Can we meet in #opensuse-project on irc.freenode.net to get this sorted? I probably need specifics on your gmail setup. Henne The problem gone away by itself. This was gmail specific. Many thanks to Henne for his help. Cheers -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Forwarded Message From: Sunny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] opensuse list server problems [SOLVED] Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:13:44 -0500 On 5/9/07, Henne Vogelsang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 16:26:45, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Sunny [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-08-07 16:19]: Since today, on every post I make to opensuse@opensuse.org, I receive the message bellow. Is it just me, or a know problem? You would probably have better luck addressing: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is gmail specific. Can we meet in #opensuse-project on irc.freenode.net to get this sorted? I probably need specifics on your gmail setup. Henne The problem gone away by itself. This was gmail specific. Many thanks to Henne for his help. Cheers works here too.. well, i hope, this's just a test! cheers! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] opensuse list server problems
Hi, On Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 13:16:02, Henne Vogelsang wrote: On Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 16:26:45, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Sunny [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-08-07 16:19]: Since today, on every post I make to opensuse@opensuse.org, I receive the message bellow. Is it just me, or a know problem? You would probably have better luck addressing: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is gmail specific. Can we meet in #opensuse-project on irc.freenode.net to get this sorted? I probably need specifics on your gmail setup. This is absolutely gmail specific. Looks like they had way to many hops in the delivery chain. It is gone now. I could up the limit of hops in our postfix configuration but its at a reasonable number now and i really dont want real loops to happen. Looks like you have to live with it. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de To die. In the rain. Alone. Ernest Hemingway -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] opensuse list server problems
Since today, on every post I make to opensuse@opensuse.org, I receive the message bellow. Is it just me, or a know problem? Mail Delivery System [EMAIL PROTECTED] to me This is the Postfix program at host lists4.suse.de. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The Postfix program [EMAIL PROTECTED]: mail forwarding loop for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Final-Recipient: rfc822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail forwarding loop for [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] opensuse list server problems
* Sunny [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-08-07 16:19]: Since today, on every post I make to opensuse@opensuse.org, I receive the message bellow. Is it just me, or a know problem? You would probably have better luck addressing: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] The list
When I said that all responders to my OT thread (you know which one) that posted to this list instead of me personally would be considered just plain stupid, I had no idea how many on this list who consider themselves bright were, in fact, just plain stupid. I have compiled a list of the humor-impaired dumbasses who can't seem to let it die. You know who you are. You need to take your panties off, straighten out the wad, put them back on and go about the business of opensuse and stop your incessant whining. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] The list
On 5/3/07, Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I said that all responders to my OT thread (you know which one) that posted to this list instead of me personally would be considered just plain stupid, I had no idea how many on this list who consider themselves bright were, in fact, just plain stupid. I have compiled a list of the humor-impaired dumbasses who can't seem to let it die. You know who you are. You need to take your panties off, straighten out the wad, put them back on and go about the business of opensuse and stop your incessant whining. Fred You ended the message you refer to thus: If this thread continues past this message, then count me out of the discussion. I started it, this should finish it. Anything else should either have a different subject or come to me off-list. If it shows up again on the list I'll figure the writer was just plain stupid. Dude, lists don't work like that. Human interaction doesn't work like that. You can't say I have the last word period, and if you say anything else you're just plain stupid. I mean, you can, as obviously you did. But that's a very, um, stupid thing to say. And you've compiled a list of dumbasses, have you? Golly gee, scary! Will you fight them after school? Or tell teacher on them? Well, I didn't reply because I was busy picking up my eyeballs that had rolled off my head after reading your post, but you can add me to your list now, comedy man. g -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] The list
Stevens: You need to go outside and step away from any keyboard for no less than 5 meters thanks a lot Marcio --- druid On 5/3/07, Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I said that all responders to my OT thread (you know which one) that posted to this list instead of me personally would be considered just plain stupid, I had no idea how many on this list who consider themselves bright were, in fact, just plain stupid. I have compiled a list of the humor-impaired dumbasses who can't seem to let it die. You know who you are. You need to take your panties off, straighten out the wad, put them back on and go about the business of opensuse and stop your incessant whining. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] The list
On 5/3/07, JB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok, Mr T -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] The list
On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 08:18 -0500, Stevens wrote: I have compiled a list of the humor-impaired dumbasses who can't seem to let it die. You know who you are. You need to take your panties off, straighten out the wad, put them back on and go about the business of opensuse and stop your incessant whining. Fred What ?! A dumb-ass list am not part off can you sign me in too please. Now if you could remove your head from your anal sphincter it would be appreciated ... thanks in advance. What the fsck is that guy even talking about anyway? -- Why can't humans just reboot instead of sleeping, so much wasted cycles -Zombie Coder. Jonathan Arsenault - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://jarpack.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] The list
Stevens wrote: When I said that all responders to my OT thread (you know which one) that posted to this list instead of me personally would be considered just plain stupid, I had no idea how many on this list who consider themselves bright were, in fact, just plain stupid. I have compiled a list of the humor-impaired dumbasses who can't seem to let it die. You know who you are. You need to take your panties off, straighten out the wad, put them back on and go about the business of opensuse and stop your incessant whining. Fred Anybody else here think it's real annoying when you have certain idiots too enamored with the smell of their own farts who actually think that who is or is not on their s-list actually amounts to a hill of beans. That is just so annoying. Back to things that actually matter. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] The list
What I find disturbing are endless threads that clog up the amount of an already high volume messages such as these. Their purpose is neither constructive nor helpful to anyone and re-enforces others I have spoken to calling this list a sewing circle The language used hereunder is totally inappropriate and offensive ,suitable for a Pub situation. We discuss Linux functionality and none of us need to see this type of war of words - and if something rubs you the wrong way you just ignore it. Ignoring a meaningless email is far more powerful that using this list to bully people or inflate your own status. Passionate discussion is fine, however this language is only fit for people who use it and find it acceptable - and they are not to be found here. Why does it mater to me - Because I take offence to this type of language and this vehicle being used for pure emotive issues - which belong down a pub. Scott =-O Pueblo Native wrote: Stevens wrote: When I said that all responders to my OT thread (you know which one) that posted to this list instead of me personally would be considered just plain stupid, I had no idea how many on this list who consider themselves bright were, in fact, just plain stupid. I have compiled a list of the humor-impaired dumbasses who can't seem to let it die. You know who you are. You need to take your panties off, straighten out the wad, put them back on and go about the business of opensuse and stop your incessant whining. Fred Anybody else here think it's real annoying when you have certain idiots too enamored with the smell of their own farts who actually think that who is or is not on their s-list actually amounts to a hill of beans. That is just so annoying. Back to things that actually matter. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [opensuse] The list
On 2007-05-03 15:34, Pueblo Native wrote: major snippage Back to things that actually matter. I wish you had said that /before/ you composed your reply ;-) -- Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. -- HG Wells -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] off-list replies
On Apr 12, 2007 05:51 AM, Randall R Schulz wrote: You're right, of course, and that goes for thread hijacking, top posting, indiscriminate quoting and a host of other inconsiderate practices. People are rude, thoughtless and inconsiderate. What are you going to do? Withdraw from society? Assholes are assholes, trying to educate them is a waste of time and effort. Which basically means, that if you are a man of moral principles, you have only one option in the matter ... withdrawal into seclusion. - Aegroto, dum anima est, spes esse dicitur Powered by Open-Xchange.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] off-list replies
On Mon 16 Apr 2007 10:59, Örn Hansen wrote: trying to educate them is a waste of time and effort. - or, as a list-member observed recently: ... my grandmother used to say, never try to teach a pig to sing... it will only frustrate you, and it will piss off the pig. . cheers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] off-list replies
On Mon, 2007-04-16 at 12:59 +0200, Örn Hansen wrote: On Apr 12, 2007 05:51 AM, Randall R Schulz wrote: You're right, of course, and that goes for thread hijacking, top posting, indiscriminate quoting and a host of other inconsiderate practices. People are rude, thoughtless and inconsiderate. What are you going to do? Withdraw from society? Assholes are assholes, trying to educate them is a waste of time and effort. It's usually a rather fruitless activity, but necessary none-the-less, one does not fix ones behaviour if one is unaware that it is wrong, and had it pointed out in a due manner. Which basically means, that if you are a man of moral principles, you have only one option in the matter ... withdrawal into seclusion. I tend to disagree, having moral principles can very well mean that one has also developed a sense that others may or may not share said principles, which means you do not have to withdraw into seclusion, but you do have to live with those who do not share your views, preferably in an amicable way. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] off-list replies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-04-13 at 11:36 -0400, James Knott wrote: Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote: Even if it was said already a hundred times. This does _NOT_ work with other Thunderbird versions as the SUSE provided ones. Since your user-agent says ...Windows... I assume you are not using a SUSE provided Thunderbird. Wolfgang I don't recall seeing that mentioned before. And yes, this is a Windows computer. I'm at work right now. I and others have said that in this very thread. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGIMhKtTMYHG2NR9URAmumAJwNPDc2AWfZJtUw2UkUaFefCnzxTACgjEN0 85XYhWRpRZvYPiOm/KrHZ1s= =JF7y -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] off-list replies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-04-13 at 09:43 +0100, Benji Weber wrote: As I said, every mail client I use (4) will reply to the sender, because the list sets the reply-to to the sender. Using alternative clients is not an option, and if people really don't like replies in this way I'll have to stop helping people on the list until the reply-to is changed back to the list. It never was and never will be, so that willbe good by for you, I suppose. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGIMkVtTMYHG2NR9URAoFaAJ9yZ6l/TJ3UygOrEMdkPlnpp9pmjwCfVNY0 n3jpja7HEK9LYZ3Za83fDyc= =Byye -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: list options
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:55:14 +0200 (CEST), Carlos E. R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Saturday 2007-04-14 at 11:35 -0700, Robert Lewis wrote: Is there away to be able to send email to the list, as I am doing now, but only monitor the list activity via the WEB eliminating all the flow from the list to my mail address? Yes, there is. You got the instructions when you subscribed: To subscribe to the nomail version of this list send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The nomail version of a list means that you are reccognized as a subscriber, but will not get any messages to the list. This is useful when it's necessary to post from several emailaddresses to a subscribers only list. But notice that the amount of data transferred using the web archive is bigger than receiving email. Another alternative is subscribe using a webmail, like gmail: you don't need pop the email if you don't want't to. Or you could use an nntp client and gmain as I have here, slrn and gmain.linux.suse.general -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carlos E. R. wrote: The Thursday 2007-04-12 at 19:00 -0600, Pueblo Native wrote: Thunderbird 2.0, beta. AFAIK, you need suse patched version, or patch it yourself (meaning recompile). Correct. Definitely take the openSUSE packages of Thunderbird, they already include the required patch. Additionally, you must also install the extension (but as said, it also requires the patch). cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGHy3Jr3NMWliFcXcRAr3hAJwJgV0SKZ/SdlOhBkJktJqSM4+/VACgqSj+ il8W0WoTrW3NhCMDt+iVOGA= =7zkf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] off-list replies
On Thursday 12 April 2007 18:28, G.T.Smith wrote: BTW: As a dejected England fan my only rejoinder would have to be What prowess :'( I'm old enough to recall when we couldn't win a game of cricket, so I have some sympathy. Not a lot, mind you, and I'm sure JB's not going to stir that pot again. -- Cheers John Summerfield -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 12 April 2007 21:24, G.T.Smith wrote: For a long time I used reply-all in Thunderbird and edited the recipients, then I discovered a plugin for List Reply, so I only have to remember to click on Reply List. Once I new it existed I found it, downloaded it and it seems to work... Thanks That fixes it only for those who find out about and install them. It doesn't fix the problem, it's only a bandaid. Better to configure the list so it just works. Even ig rbird, kmail, evolution and all the other *x email clients are fixed to work well (some do), there are still others such as Lookout/Lookout Express. Pegassus etc. -- Cheers John Summerfield -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 4/13/07, John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not so ridiculous as you mailing to me off-list as you highlighted a reason for the problem. I could argue that spam is less inconvenient as there's only one way to deal with it: plonk. Solicited email is not spam. As I said, every mail client I use (4) will reply to the sender, because the list sets the reply-to to the sender. Using alternative clients is not an option, and if people really don't like replies in this way I'll have to stop helping people on the list until the reply-to is changed back to the list. _ Benjamin Weber -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] off-list replies
John Summerfield wrote: On Thursday 12 April 2007 21:24, G.T.Smith wrote: For a long time I used reply-all in Thunderbird and edited the recipients, then I discovered a plugin for List Reply, so I only have to remember to click on Reply List. Â Once I new it existed I found it, downloaded it and it seems to work... Thanks That fixes it only for those who find out about and install them. It doesn't fix the problem, it's only a bandaid. Better to configure the list so it just works. Even ig rbird, kmail, evolution and all the other *x email clients are fixed to work well (some do), there are still others such as Lookout/Lookout Express. Pegassus etc I got a reply quoting me to the list mail list configuration policy. Of course. the message was off-list :-) begin:vcard fn:Graham T. Smith n:Smith;Graham T. adr:Barton upon Humber;;90 Bowmandale;;North Lincs.;DN18 5EA;UK email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;cell:07876793607 version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [opensuse] off-list replies
Carlos E. R. wrote: The Thursday 2007-04-12 at 19:00 -0600, Pueblo Native wrote: Thunderbird 2.0, beta. AFAIK, you need suse patched version, or patch it yourself (meaning recompile). Finally got it working, and it works like a charm so far. THanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* Benji Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] [04-13-07 04:45]: [...] As I said, every mail client I use (4) will reply to the sender, because the list sets the reply-to to the sender. Using alternative clients is not an option, and if people really don't like replies in this way I'll have to stop helping people on the list until the reply-to is changed back to the list. Hu. Admitting the inability to properly address your posts. Tsk! I'm not ever going down that road again because I don't think that stop sign should be there even thou the alternate route is a half mile farther! and *many* other *absurd* examples. -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] off-list replies
Darryl Gregorash wrote: On 2007-04-12 12:12, Peter Bradley wrote: Ysgrifennodd Carlos E. R.: snip / SuSE version of thunderbird contains a hidden setting to modify reply all behaviour so that it sends to the list instead. I forgot how I activated it, though. Any clues at all? I'd like to try that. Try adding user_pref(mailnews.clobber_list_reply, true); to the prefs.js in your user profile. This is what Seamonkey uses to accomplish the same thing, so it should work in T'bird also. IIRC it takes effect immediately in Seamonkey, but I have no idea if a T'bird restart is necessary. I just tried it with Thunderbird, but it doesn't seem to work. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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James Knott wrote: Try adding user_pref(mailnews.clobber_list_reply, true); to the prefs.js in your user profile. This is what Seamonkey uses to accomplish the same thing, so it should work in T'bird also. IIRC it takes effect immediately in Seamonkey, but I have no idea if a T'bird restart is necessary. I just tried it with Thunderbird, but it doesn't seem to work. Even if it was said already a hundred times. This does _NOT_ work with other Thunderbird versions as the SUSE provided ones. Since your user-agent says ...Windows... I assume you are not using a SUSE provided Thunderbird. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote: James Knott wrote: Try adding user_pref(mailnews.clobber_list_reply, true); to the prefs.js in your user profile. This is what Seamonkey uses to accomplish the same thing, so it should work in T'bird also. IIRC it takes effect immediately in Seamonkey, but I have no idea if a T'bird restart is necessary. I just tried it with Thunderbird, but it doesn't seem to work. Even if it was said already a hundred times. This does _NOT_ work with other Thunderbird versions as the SUSE provided ones. Since your user-agent says ...Windows... I assume you are not using a SUSE provided Thunderbird. Wolfgang I don't recall seeing that mentioned before. And yes, this is a Windows computer. I'm at work right now. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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James Knott wrote: Even if it was said already a hundred times. This does _NOT_ work with other Thunderbird versions as the SUSE provided ones. Since your user-agent says ...Windows... I assume you are not using a SUSE provided Thunderbird. Wolfgang I don't recall seeing that mentioned before. And yes, this is a Windows computer. I'm at work right now. I am using Thunderbird on a Windows machine as well, and I have a reply-to-list button. (^-^) Thunderbird:1.5.10 Enigmail: 0.94.3 reply to list: 0.1 Don't know anymore, where I got it from... -- Sandy List replies only please! Please address PMs to: news-reply2 (@) japantest (.) homelinux (.) com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sandy Drobic wrote: James Knott wrote: Even if it was said already a hundred times. This does _NOT_ work with other Thunderbird versions as the SUSE provided ones. Since your user-agent says ...Windows... I assume you are not using a SUSE provided Thunderbird. Wolfgang I don't recall seeing that mentioned before. And yes, this is a Windows computer. I'm at work right now. I am using Thunderbird on a Windows machine as well, and I have a reply-to-list button. (^-^) Thunderbird:1.5.10 Enigmail: 0.94.3 reply to list: 0.1 Don't know anymore, where I got it from... Try http://alumnit.ca/wiki/index.php?page=ReplyToListThunderbirdExtension -- I don't know who you are or where you've come from, but from now on you'll do as I say, okay? - Princess Leia -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jan Karjalainen wrote: Sandy Drobic wrote: James Knott wrote: Even if it was said already a hundred times. This does _NOT_ work with other Thunderbird versions as the SUSE provided ones. Since your user-agent says ...Windows... I assume you are not using a SUSE provided Thunderbird. Wolfgang I don't recall seeing that mentioned before. And yes, this is a Windows computer. I'm at work right now. I am using Thunderbird on a Windows machine as well, and I have a reply-to-list button. (^-^) Thunderbird: 1.5.10 Enigmail:0.94.3 reply to list:0.1 Don't know anymore, where I got it from... Try http://alumnit.ca/wiki/index.php?page=ReplyToListThunderbirdExtension Actually I found one version that doesn' t need a patched Thunderbird: http://cweiske.de/misc_extensions.htm -- I don't know who you are or where you've come from, but from now on you'll do as I say, okay? - Princess Leia -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jan Karjalainen wrote: Sandy Drobic wrote: James Knott wrote: Even if it was said already a hundred times. This does _NOT_ work with other Thunderbird versions as the SUSE provided ones. Since your user-agent says ...Windows... I assume you are not using a SUSE provided Thunderbird. Wolfgang I don't recall seeing that mentioned before. And yes, this is a Windows computer. I'm at work right now. I am using Thunderbird on a Windows machine as well, and I have a reply-to-list button. (^-^) Thunderbird: 1.5.10 Enigmail:0.94.3 reply to list:0.1 Don't know anymore, where I got it from... Try http://alumnit.ca/wiki/index.php?page=ReplyToListThunderbirdExtension Apparently, that's not quite ready. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] off-list replies
Ysgrifennodd Jos van Kan: You should not *install* it in Firefox, but *save* it somewhere. (I have a directory downloads for this type of thing). Then in TB click ToolsExtensionsinstall. It opens up a file dialogbox where you can click on the file just saved. bingo, it installs *in TB* this time. Regards, Well, I managed to download mnenhy using Konq in the end. It then installed in TB just fine and the Reply to List button became active. But does it work? No. Clicking the button has no effect. Zilch. Tried uninstalling and reinstalling Reply to List in case it was an order of installation thing. Still the same. And yes, I am using SuSE. Couldn't install enigmail as it apparently wants Thunderbird v2.0. So I'm giving up. Apologies to those who might get unintentional off-list replies from me. Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Peter Bradley wrote: Ysgrifennodd Jos van Kan: You should not *install* it in Firefox, but *save* it somewhere. (I have a directory downloads for this type of thing). Then in TB click ToolsExtensionsinstall. It opens up a file dialogbox where you can click on the file just saved. bingo, it installs *in TB* this time. Regards, Well, I managed to download mnenhy using Konq in the end. It then installed in TB just fine and the Reply to List button became active. But does it work? No. Clicking the button has no effect. Zilch. Tried uninstalling and reinstalling Reply to List in case it was an order of installation thing. Still the same. And yes, I am using SuSE. Couldn't install enigmail as it apparently wants Thunderbird v2.0. So I'm giving up. Apologies to those who might get unintentional off-list replies from me. Peter Try this one (I modified it to work with TB 1.5): http://www.fmbv.nu/replyToList-0.1.xpi It doesn't need enigmail or any other extensions to work. -- I don't know who you are or where you've come from, but from now on you'll do as I say, okay? - Princess Leia -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Peter Bradley wrote: Well, I managed to download mnenhy using Konq in the end. It then installed in TB just fine and the Reply to List button became active. But does it work? No. Clicking the button has no effect. Zilch. Tried uninstalling and reinstalling Reply to List in case it was an order of installation thing. Still the same. And yes, I am using SuSE. Couldn't install enigmail as it apparently wants Thunderbird v2.0. So I'm giving up. Apologies to those who might get unintentional off-list replies from me. You state that you are using SUSE but you don't use SUSE's Thunderbird since you wouldn't need to install enigmail as it's already preinstalled in those builds. As stated often enough this extension doesn't work w/o a modification to the thunderbird source code. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ysgrifennodd Jan Karjalainen: Try this one (I modified it to work with TB 1.5): http://www.fmbv.nu/replyToList-0.1.xpi It doesn't need enigmail or any other extensions to work. You are a star! What are you? A star. Correct. Joking apart, thanks Jan. This mail coming to you (or rather to the list: not to you) courtesy of replyToList-0.1 :) Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ysgrifennodd Wolfgang Rosenauer: You state that you are using SUSE but you don't use SUSE's Thunderbird since you wouldn't need to install enigmail as it's already preinstalled in those builds. As stated often enough this extension doesn't work w/o a modification to the thunderbird source code. Wolfgang :-D Let's see... Yup. It's definitely SuSE 10.0 64 bit. Funny little cameleon in the corner and everything. Hasn't mutated into a completely different OS overnight, thankfully. I only tried enigmail and mehny or whatever it called itself because, SuSE or not, ReplyToList didn't work when I installed it on its own. Fortunately, as you'll no doubt have seen by now, Jan posted a version that works. So now I have absolutely no excuse for posting off-list. Many thanks to you, Wolfgang, and everyone else for helping me get it sorted. Cheers Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ysgrifennodd Wolfgang Rosenauer: You state that you are using SUSE but you don't use SUSE's Thunderbird since you wouldn't need to install enigmail as it's already preinstalled in those builds. As stated often enough this extension doesn't work w/o a modification to the thunderbird source code. Wolfgang Ah! I've just twigged to what you're getting at. You may be right. I may have downloaded TB from Moz to get a later version at some stage. So you're probably correct. It's working now, though, so all's well that ends well and all that. Thanks again Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 13 April 2007 02:57, John Summerfield wrote: On Thursday 12 April 2007 19:37, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: This comes about about once a year on almost every list I am on [the debate about Reply-To headers]; it is really annoying. The *ONLY* relevant person/people to discuss this with is the list maintainers. Look up the maintainers address(es) and bother them. In my experience, they mostly ignore the views of one person. Presumably, if approached by several then they might listen. Especially, in this case, it's someone from Novell or SUSE. Pointing to this thread might help. John, there was something like year ago long debate with voting at the end and present status won. The idea was not to support broken clients, which in Thunderbird case means some more time waiting for reply to list feature to be included. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John Summerfield wrote: I've had enough of this list, I really do not like off-list replies to my attempts to help people. They are bad because 1. It breaks filtering (the list-id header is present in mail from the list and it's sensible to use it to filter email). 2. Other people can't see my errors and correct them. I'm not perfect. 3. Other people can't see corrections to my errors and learn from them. 4. Off-list replies don't get archived. 5. It breaks threading. I like email one topic to be grouped into one thread. Since most email clients support this feature, I suspect others value it too. I equate off-list with spam, and unless I specifically give you permission to email me, you don't have the right. Now, I do make some exceptions. For example, if I make a little joke about the Poms' cricket prowess, and someone wants to send me a good-natured rejoinder, it's probably best off-list. I sympathise, but this may not be entirely the person sending the replys fault, hitting reply on my copy of Thunderbird will send directly to the original sender not to the list itself. (I dunno if this case with other mail clients). A ReplyTo field should ideally be set to the list address, but this does get not set. (Coming to think about it I seem to remember TBird having a reply to mail-list option at one time). I find myself having to reply to all and edit the recipient out. Got caught out a couple of times early on with this 'feature'. BTW: As a dejected England fan my only rejoinder would have to be What prowess :'( begin:vcard fn:Graham T. Smith n:Smith;Graham T. adr:Barton upon Humber;;90 Bowmandale;;North Lincs.;DN18 5EA;UK email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;cell:07876793607 version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [opensuse] off-list replies
On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 11:28 +0100, G.T.Smith wrote: I sympathise, but this may not be entirely the person sending the replys fault, hitting reply on my copy of Thunderbird will send directly to the original sender not to the list itself. (I dunno if this case with other mail clients). A ReplyTo field should ideally be set to the list address, but this does get not set. (Coming to think about it I seem to remember TBird having a reply to mail-list option at one time). I find myself having to reply to all and edit the recipient out. Got caught out a couple of times early on with this 'feature'. evolution does the same, so I do the same editing. The list posts contain: List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But not all mailers know what to do with this. Do any mail readers use these for reply purposes? If not, they are only using the From: field, which makes sense. The Cc to the list must be from the To: field in the message. I guess the list management software would have to put an envelope around the message to change this behavior. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Tel: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Fax: Int +46 8-31 42 23 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 12:53 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 11:28 +0100, G.T.Smith wrote: I sympathise, but this may not be entirely the person sending the replys fault, hitting reply on my copy of Thunderbird will send directly to the original sender not to the list itself. (I dunno if this case with other mail clients). A ReplyTo field should ideally be set to the list address, but this does get not set. (Coming to think about it I seem to remember TBird having a reply to mail-list option at one time). I find myself having to reply to all and edit the recipient out. Got caught out a couple of times early on with this 'feature'. evolution does the same, so I do the same editing. The list posts contain: List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Which evolution supports with the reply_to_list feature using cntr-l (ell not one). -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 4/12/07, John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had enough of this list, I really do not like off-list replies to my attempts to help people. They are bad because 1. It breaks filtering (the list-id header is present in mail from the list and it's sensible to use it to filter email). 2. Other people can't see my errors and correct them. I'm not perfect. 3. Other people can't see corrections to my errors and learn from them. 4. Off-list replies don't get archived. 5. It breaks threading. I like email one topic to be grouped into one thread. Since most email clients support this feature, I suspect others value it too. Quite. I frequently accidentally email people off-list due to the reply-to being not set to the list. Which I expect may be responsible for most of the off-list emailing. Default reply for many email clients is to reply off-list. I equate off-list with spam, and unless I specifically give you permission to email me, you don't have the right. This is rediculous. _ Benjamin Weber -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 11:28 +0100, G.T.Smith wrote: I sympathise, but this may not be entirely the person sending the replys fault, hitting reply on my copy of Thunderbird will send directly to the original sender not to the list itself. (I dunno if this case with other mail clients). A ReplyTo field should ideally be set to the list address, but this does get not set. (Coming to think about it I seem to remember TBird having a reply to mail-list option at one time). I find myself having to reply to all and edit the recipient out. Got caught out a couple of times early on with this 'feature'. evolution does the same, so I do the same editing. The list posts contain: List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But not all mailers know what to do with this. Do any mail readers use these for reply purposes? If not, they are only using the From: field, which makes sense. The Cc to the list must be from the To: field in the message. I guess the list management software would have to put an envelope around the message to change this behavior. According to RFC 822 (4.4.3/4.4.4) the ReplyTo field is supposed to override the From field for the purposes of replying to a message. (Useful if you are sending from account a but want any replies directed to account b). I think the above Headers are non-standard so I would not expect all mail clients to support them (in fact my copy of TBird does not even report them) but I am not certain... there is a RFC containing a description of non-standard headers not included in the standard header RFCs, cant remember number at moment... begin:vcard fn:Graham T. Smith n:Smith;Graham T. adr:Barton upon Humber;;90 Bowmandale;;North Lincs.;DN18 5EA;UK email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;cell:07876793607 version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [opensuse] off-list replies
I sympathise, but this may not be entirely the person sending the replys fault, hitting reply on my copy of Thunderbird will send directly to the original sender not to the list itself. (I dunno if this case with other mail clients). A ReplyTo field should ideally be set to the list address, but this does get not set. (Coming to think about it I seem to remember TBird having a reply to mail-list option at one time). This comes about about once a year on almost every list I am on [the debate about Reply-To headers]; it is really annoying. The *ONLY* relevant person/people to discuss this with is the list maintainers. Look up the maintainers address(es) and bother them. -- -- Adam Tauno Williams Network Systems Administrator Consultant - http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com Developer - http://www.opengroupware.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] off-list replies
Benji Weber wrote: On 4/12/07, John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had enough of this list, I really do not like off-list replies to my attempts to help people. They are bad because 1. It breaks filtering (the list-id header is present in mail from the list and it's sensible to use it to filter email). 2. Other people can't see my errors and correct them. I'm not perfect. 3. Other people can't see corrections to my errors and learn from them. 4. Off-list replies don't get archived. 5. It breaks threading. I like email one topic to be grouped into one thread. Since most email clients support this feature, I suspect others value it too. Quite. I frequently accidentally email people off-list due to the reply-to being not set to the list. Which I expect may be responsible for most of the off-list emailing. Default reply for many email clients is to reply off-list. I set a reply-to header to the list, so that the default for a reply is directed to the list. My server only accepts mails to the list address from the mailinglist server. If someone wants to send a private mail to me the contact address is shown in my signature. I equate off-list with spam, and unless I specifically give you permission to email me, you don't have the right. This is rediculous. Why? Aside from the annoying spam to the list addresses (spammers like web archives!) the purpuse of a support mailinglist is to help each other and have the archive available as a research base. Private replies defeat this purpose. For these reasons I do not understand why you think it is ridiculous. Sometimes I get private replies because the requested logs or configuration files contain private data, but otherwise I see no reason for private replies. Being lazy on your part does not constitute a good reason for private replies. -- Sandy List replies only please! Please address PMs to: news-reply2 (@) japantest (.) homelinux (.) com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] off-list replies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-04-12 at 12:23 +0100, G.T.Smith wrote: List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] According to RFC 822 (4.4.3/4.4.4) the ReplyTo field is supposed to override the From field for the purposes of replying to a message. (Useful if you are sending from account a but want any replies directed to account b). I think the above Headers are non-standard AFAIK, non standard headers are of the form X-something. so I would not expect all mail clients to support them (in fact my copy of TBird does not even report them) Yes, it does, if you display all headers. However, there are so many that they overflow the window, and thunderbird is so dumb as to not put a slide rule so that you can browse down and right: thus you can not see all of them. Use view message source instead. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGHiI8tTMYHG2NR9URAoFJAJ95WGbtbwFF7JTgfqavngAfg8xXngCePMAz grWCVz5SvpFxCndAsb5dNcM= =G+vS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] off-list replies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-04-12 at 13:54 +0200, Sandy Drobic wrote: I set a reply-to header to the list, so that the default for a reply is directed to the list. And I have procmail set to overwrite it using formail, so it is lost :-p However, I set it to the list, so that I can use Pine easily. I equate off-list with spam, and unless I specifically give you permission to email me, you don't have the right. This is rediculous. Why? Aside from the annoying spam to the list addresses (spammers like web archives!) the purpuse of a support mailinglist is to help each other and have the archive available as a research base. Private replies defeat this purpose. For these reasons I do not understand why you think it is ridiculous. He thinks it is ridiculous to consider private emails as spam, I understand. It may be a nuisance, but not that much. My filters are clever enough to separate list replies, CCs, and directs. Sometimes I get private replies because the requested logs or configuration files contain private data, but otherwise I see no reason for private replies. Being lazy on your part does not constitute a good reason for private replies. Most of them are simply mistakes. The fact is that many mail clients are not list aware and friendly - not even Pine - thus people may get confused at first and email direct by accident. Then, they revert to reply to all, which is another nuisance, but not a big one. SuSE version of thunderbird contains a hidden setting to modify reply all behaviour so that it sends to the list instead. I forgot how I activated it, though. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGHiTCtTMYHG2NR9URAos1AJwK2A61fqknMhTbBz0wm92a6Yqt1ACffKBA pP0SxDukbRpToKDjODwNK9M= =4H9E -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
