Re: OT: Time to buy bulk Black and white film, seeking opinions
Sid ... Since you were all over the place with your film and developer choices, and don't have much in the way of notes to fall back on, I'd suggest starting over. I'm as bad as you are WRT notes and record keeping, and the only thing that saves my butt when processing BW is that I became intimate with one film/developer combination, mastered it to my satisfaction, and then learned another in much the same fashion. I like Tri-X - it's ubiquitous, it's constant, and it works well and easily with many different developers. It's hard to screw up TX in D-76 or XTOL, or Acufine, or Rodinal, or FG-7 or I've still not settled on a 100 speed film, probably because I don't have much use for one. But for slower rated films I swear by Agfapan APX 25. Since it's been discontinued I'd suggest you buy as much as you can afford and freeze it. IMO it's one of the worlds greatest emulsions, and when used with Rodinal - at various dilutions - you can make the negatives sing and dance and put on a show that will make other films pale by comparison. I'm still learning all the subtleties of the APX/Rodinal combination, but thus far it's been a winner for me. And one other thing - get a copy of the Film Developing Cookbook (2nd Edition) by Anchell and Troop. If you've not already read it you're missing out on one valuable experience when it comes to learning to process BW. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sid Barras wrote: I shot almost everything. To the point of never knowing much about any of them. (new developer each time, new ISO, different combinations, sloppy record keeping) I was just having fun... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Are new LXs available? How much to rebuild one?
Brand new LX and accessories are still available in Japan, and only. There should still be some brand new LX accessories available in the rest of the world. Mind you that brand new finders aren't that cheap. And if you buy into LX, just beware that the sticky mirror problem will surface after a few years. Nikon has stopped to manufacture F3 due to limited parts supply, not sure how long the LX parts will last. regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Spirit Level on Tripod
- Original Message - From: "Paul Jones" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 9:05 PM Subject: Spirit Level on Tripod Hi, I'm looking at buying a tripod. i'm wondering if i really need a spirit level on it? Just wonder what people opinions were. I like having a level on the yoke. One of my heads has levels on adjacent sides of the camera platform. Levels are good. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Spirit Level on Tripod
I use a spirit level that fits on the accessory shoe on my ESII's, LX, and 645 Pentaxes. I have never seen a tripod with a level built in. Some Gitzo tripods have them built-in actually. However, I fail to see the reason (put them on the tripod head seem to make more sense). regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: what chemical is the hardener in fixer?
Potassium Alum is the traditional one for Sodium fixers. Here is the old GAF 201 hardening fixer formulation. Solution 1 Water @ 52C 500ml Sodium Thiosulfate 240g Solution 2 Water @ 52C 150ml Sodium Sulfite, dessicated 15g Acetic acid (28%) 45ml Potassium Alum 15g Add solution 2 to solution 1 with enough water to make 1 liter. Use undiluted. Normal fixing times are 5 to 10 mminutes. William Robb - Original Message - From: "Sid Barras" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 10:27 PM Subject: OT: what chemical is the "hardener" in fixer? Hi all, I retrieved several bottles of Sodium Thiosulfate out of a school's trash bin (another story). I want to make up some home made batches of fixer. So, what's that hardener made out of? Thanks, guys. SId - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Manual focus
Robert P. VanNatta writes: The macros both FA and A have the longest throw--- just short of a full turn. I have a 50mm F and a 100 mm A. Both to me focus correctly in manual. Same here. I believe that I can focus my old K135/2.5 accurately with more ease than the FA100/2.8 macro, though. I can still do it, but it just takes a little more care :) I am wondering if the short throw of the macro lens (when used in "AF limit" mode) makes the AF system faster compared to a non-macro (eg FA135/2.8). Is there someone who owns both these lenses who can give a comparison? Of the 50mm F1.4 --- the throw is about the same but there is a different resistence --- thick grease in the manual that makes it easier to control. Nothing beats the "feel" of an old manual focus lens. It's not only the light damping effect of the grease but also the nice indented rubber focussing ring. Plus they look a lot nicer than their AF counterparts, even on the Z-1p. I have a 15mm SMC-A -- it has a very short 'throw' --- only about 1 inch and it seems pleasant to focus manually--- Of course it is almost impossible to get anything out of focus. :-) (at f16 everything from 12" to infinitity is in focus) I actually find this lens very hard to focus finely in some situations. The reason is that any single object tends to be too small to make sense in the microprism focussing screen of my K2. It doesn't matter too much to me as 99% of its use is beyond two metres! As for a 400 mm internal focusing AF Sigma -- the throw is about 90 degrees and this seems OK for manual focusing. My Tokina 400mm has about the same and at first I was a little annoyed because it took me too long to focus accurately (shooting wildlife at f/5.6 demands both speed and accuracy). Now with trap focus, I just don't care :) Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
eyestorm.com
Hey, I just checked out this site I read about in the latest Practical Photography. Very nice. Lots of famous photographers and nice, large scans. Check out some of the prices. http://www.eyestorm.com/ Thanks, Ed - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
KMP update
Hi all, I have just updated the KMP (http://www.phred.org/pentax/k/). There are no revolutionary changes but there are a lot of small changes. There is one interesting thing: "Pentax top bodies" in the FAQ section. Cheers, Boz --- 15.01.2001 * Changed the links to the PDML in the "WWW" page. * Picture of the (non-SMC) Pentax-F 70-20 f/4-5.6 lens. * Picture and information on the AA Battery Grip SF. * Indicated which lenses feature built-in hoods. * New pictures of: Profile 35-70/3.5-4.5 * Improved pictures of: - A 16/2.8 Fish-Eye, FA* 24/2.0, 28/3.5 Shift, FA 43/1.9 Limited, M50/1.4, FA 50/2.8 Macro, A 135/2.8, M 135/3.5, FA* 300/4.5, A 35-70/3.5-4.5, A 70-210/4, F 80-200/4.7-5.6 - A 2x-S teleconverter - MX, MZ-5n, Z1 SE - AF240Z flash * Improved optical diagrams of: FA 20-35/4, FA35/2, FA 77/1.8, FA 100/3.5 Macro, A/F 28-80/3.5-4.5, F 70-210/4-5.6, FA 100/300/4.7-5.8. * Info on the non-SMC 35-70/3.5-4.5 lenses. * Indicated which lenses feature tripod sockets. * Indicated which IF lenses have rear-element focusing. * Updated the "K-Mount feature summary" page: http://www.phred.org/pentax/k/FAQ/summary/ * Cosmetic changes to the top-level FAQ page: http://www.phred.org/pentax/k/FAQ/ * Created a new page in the FAQ section: Lens-Related Formulas: http://www.phred.org/pentax/k/FAQ/lensFormulas/ * Added a magnification calculation script to the Lens-Related Formulas page. * Made a page on the "best" Pentax bodies: http://www.phred.org/pentax/k/FAQ/topBodies/ * Finished redoing the K-mount description pages: http://www.phred.org/pentax/k/FAQ/K-mount/ * Corrected the filter diameter of the 45-120/4 lens: 58 mm. -- _\\|//_ Imagination is more important than knowledge... 0(` O-O ')0 A. Einstein ===ooO=(_)=Ooo=== Bojidar D. Dimitrov author and editor, Pentax K-Mount web page [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phred.org/pentax/k/ = __ __ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Focusing Light
Have had limited success with moth a Mag light or a laser pointer attached to the bottom of the camera body with the use of velcro adhesive. Doesn't always works, but often enough. Paul Gutkowski
Re: Are new LXs available? How much to rebuild one?
Hi, Camera Direct a UK based company can import new LX's from Japan. Peter the owner may be able to ship to a non UK country. Camera Direct can also source many new LX finders/screens, cables grips etc etc. for the LX, along with many A M series lenses. Contact details. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.camera-direct.com./default.asp Cheers Rob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Manual focus
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:11:57 -0500, Ann Sanfedele wrote: ann replies Well, yeah, but the aperture doesn't change until you take the pic, right? Not? That would be changing to the working aperture, Yes. However, most zooms have no constant aperture over there focal range. The f4.0 .. 5.6 zoom mentioned is f4.0 wide open at 35 mm and f5.6 at 80mm, but when set to f8 it will be f8.0 wide open and f11 at 80mm. So the 'loss' of light is just a function of the choosen focal length, with this zoom there is a full stop difference between winde-angle and telephoto. (It get worse with popular PS cameras, an f5.6 .. 11 is not unusual :-) Regards, JvW - Jan van Wijk; www.fsys.demon.nl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Maximum Extension Tube Length
Recently Flavio Minelli wrote: Bojidar Dimitrov wrote: Second, FREE and IF lenses do not have constant focal lengths. My A100/2.8 Macro has a focal length of something like 73 mm at 1:1. So 100 mm extension will result in higher magnification than expected. I knew this, BTW, do you know how it works out with the FA 100? From CRUDE experiments it seems that the A 100/2.8 Macro has a focal length of 61 mm at 1:1 and F/FA 100/2.8 Macro has a focal lenght of 73 mm at 1:1. But I need to do the experiments again. Cheers, Boz - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Wake up
I have another theory. Maybe Pentax was trying to collect our opinions over the last few years in order to finalize their MZ-S (the name is not important) features. Now they have collected enough information (they think) and the MZ-S is about ready. In order to cut down the cost, they have decided to drop the list and let someone else to run it. That means from now on, what we said was less important that we used to be. Just a guess. Here's another think, more based in the reality of the camera industry: Once upon a time, the American market was the be-all and end-all of the Japanese camera companies, and everything we wanted, they fell over themselves to make. Now, the American market is relatively less important than the world market and the home (Japanese) market, and it's relatively unaffected by corporate responsiveness anyway, PLUS the SLR market has become only a tiny fraction of the parent company's camera profit picture. Upshot? They just don't listen to us, period. They don't need to. Japanese companies haven't been heeling to the beck and call of the American consumer for some time now. Our day is done. In fact, from inside the industry, what you often hear is that the Japanese home offices of the camera companies don't even listen very well to the American distributorships--and often don't tell them very much about what's going on. Chance are, Pentax USA isn't very well informed about what Pentax Japan is doing, Pentax Japan doesn't much give a fig what Pentax USA thinks, and "our" opinion isn't worth a hill of beans to either one of them. I don't think it matters much whether Pentax USA is, or is not, "listening" to our alleged collective wisdom. Difficult though it may be for us to adapt to this fact, this is not the 1960s, and we simply aren't important any more to a Japanese company's financial health. Here's a vivid example of what I mean: a couple of years ago, I got a Kodak company insider to admit to me that, for a 5-year period, Kodak had essentially "forgotten" about what it calls the "AdAm" market--advanced amateurs. It was marketing to far larger and more important markets, such as grandmothers and "tween" girls, but it had become largely inconsequential to them that photography enthusiasts also buy photographic materials. We're such a tiny group relatively speaking that we just don't matter much to the company. (Incidentally, when it "remembered" about us, Kodak responded by starting to market a slick, expensive captive newsletter called "ViewFinder" as an "alternative" to advertising in enthusiast magazines. Big whoop.) Japan stopped making cameras primarily for the American market some time ago. What its home market thinks of new products is now far more important to any Japanese company than what we think. We should wake up and get used to that fact. Our opinion really doesn't matter one way or the other. It's hubristic and somewhat ludicrous--not to mention outdated--for us to believe that it does. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Digital and soul (WAS: Re: just talked to Pentax ...(about the MZ-S))
Dan wrote: I'm here, though, 'cause the pictures I've seen from digital cameras have no soul. This reminds me about arguments agianst digital sound. It also seem to lack soul. I guess grain from film add texture to an image. I guess pixel aren't as pleasing for texture. Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Spirit Level on Tripod
I'm looking at buying a tripod. i'm wondering if i really need a spirit level on it? Spirit level on the tripod itself is useful (no, mandatory) when using a video head or a gimbal head. Spirit level on the tripod head is useful for anything else. For landscape I strongly recommend a head with spirit level. Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Has any one seen this: MZ-S for sale at 999ukp.
I don't know any more about this but here's the URL: http://members.nbci.com/leicastore/camerastore.html it advertises the "MZ-S Pro Body". Frank. -- Francis Tang, Postgraduate Research Student. LFCS, Div. of Informatics, Uni. of Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK. Tel: +44 131 6505185. Fax: +44 131 6677209. Office: 1603, JCMB, KB. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/fhlt/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: just talked to Pentax ...(about the MZ-S)
Well, I know that Pentax Canada monitored the list at some point, because I got a call about something I said once. :) Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Questions about film scanners (off-topic)
Earlier I wrote: AFAIK, the orange mask on colour negatives is not a uniform density of orange but is developed proportionally to the density of the image. Joseph McAllister responded: The base of color negative film is that color. Development of the image changes it ... not. On the couple of generations ago minilabs, you had to put a piece of developed and cleared 120 color negative film into the filter drawer to print a BW negative on color paper. Now they do that internally, with a BW "setting." The orange mask visible in unexposed, developed colour negative film is the "background" level of mask that is appropriate to black or no exposure. The film does not "know" where the frame ends so it extends into the rebate areas and onto the leader and trailer as well. What your eyes fail to see is that there is more to the mask than just this baseline orange, there is additional masking developed into the remainder of the negative proportional to the brightness and colour of the image that was exposed. The general orangeness of the mask helps to keep enlarger filter-packs well on the positive side of zero in magenta and yellow so that the third filter colour (cyan) is never or rarely needed. I acquired this knowledge when I studied photography at Sydney Technical College in the late '70s - early '80s. I know no reason why our lecturers should have BSed us. BTW the colour is in the emulsion, not the base material. Just to be on the safe side of embarrassment I confirmed this myself a moment ago by scratching through a colour negative emulsion to the CLEAR base underneath. Regards, Anthony Farr - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: My mountains are the best (Was: Scanners...)
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:47:45 -0800, you wrote: When someone writes about a location, could that person tell the rest of us where that place is? Maroon Bells? Cathedral Lake? Jim A. Both are in the Rocky Mountains in Colorado (although there is another Cathedral Lake in Montana, I believe). The Maroon Belles are two closely adjoining peaks just outside Aspen. Very beautiful and probably the most photographed mountains in Colorado. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Spirit Level on Tripod
Ok after everyones responses, think i'm going to buy the manfrotto with no level, if i descide i need a level then i will but one that fits onto the camera. Does any one know the availability of these levels that attach to the camera body in Melb. Australia? probaly most camera shops could order it for me Thanks for every ones helpful responses - Original Message - From: "Alan Chan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 7:21 PM Subject: Re: Spirit Level on Tripod I use a spirit level that fits on the accessory shoe on my ESII's, LX, and 645 Pentaxes. I have never seen a tripod with a level built in. Some Gitzo tripods have them built-in actually. However, I fail to see the reason (put them on the tripod head seem to make more sense). regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Are new LXs availalble? How much to rebuild one?
I find it almost impossible to believe that LXs are still available new in Japan and yet no NYC store has one on a website or in a photo magazine ad. I mean, I can find avant-garde Swedish existential jazz records that have been out of print for ten years on the internet, but not a new LX? I suppose I'll take a trip down to NYC and check it out first-hand - maybe they occasionally get one in a store like BH or Adorama or Tri-State, but not enough to advertise...which of course begs the question of why they wouldn't get more if they are always selling out. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Digital and soul (WAS: Re: just talked to Pentax ...(about the MZ-S))
At 12:28 16.1.2001 +0100, Pl wrote: I guess grain from film add texture to an image. I guess pixel aren't as pleasing for texture. Hmm.. this makes me think why didn't I go thru and get a patent for "Randomly Arranged CCD Element for Photography"... RACEP ;-) It would be a lot like film with grain... maybe even slightly different sized and shaped cells. Then some control logic to slightly alter the "sensitivities" of different cells from one exposure to another. Antti-Pekka --- * Antti-Pekka Virjonen * Fiskarsinkatu 7 D * GSM: +358 400 789753 * * Computec Oy Turku* FIN-20750 Turku Finland * Fax: +358 2 413 * - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Spirit Level on Tripod
At 12:27 16.1.2001 +0100, Pl wrote: Spirit level on the tripod itself is useful (no, mandatory) when using a video head or a gimbal head. Spirit level on the tripod head is useful for anything else. For landscape I strongly recommend a head with spirit level. Especially recommended for Seascapes ! Head with spirit level(s), that is. (It is too easy to get the sea horizon NOT straight in the picture :-) Antti-Pekka --- * Antti-Pekka Virjonen * Fiskarsinkatu 7 D * GSM: +358 400 789753 * * Computec Oy Turku* FIN-20750 Turku Finland * Fax: +358 2 413 * - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
Mike, I don't remember whom you are responding to. Maybe you are simply discussing with another U.S. member of the list. However, this is an international list, and (although you may have a point in regards to the importance of the U.S. market) if we include the world market in the "us", surely we represent an important market for any company with an international, not to say global, distribution. The Pentax trademark is globally still a very strong one. It's there among the big four and it is known all over the world. This list is a very conveniant, efficiant and cheap way for them to get continuous feedback from a crossection of customers who are of some importance in keeping their trademark alive. (And however comparatively big or small the SLR-division is, this is the segment we're talking about isn't it?) They would be fools not to monitor or listen to our views on their products. I don't think they are fools, so yes I am pretty confident that they do pay attention to what we list members, the market, think about their products. As for the reasons why they didn't want to house the list anymore, I don't know, but it would make perfect sense to me if a company eventually didn't want to officially be too closely connected to, or have some of the hassels that derive from some of the utterly disrespectful kind of postings that periodically went on on this list. Lasse Mike J. wrote I have another theory. Maybe Pentax was trying to collect our opinions over the last few years in order to finalize their MZ-S (the name is not important) features. Now they have collected enough information (they think) and the MZ-S is about ready. In order to cut down the cost, they have decided to drop the list and let someone else to run it. That means from now on, what we said was less important that we used to be. Just a guess. Here's another think, more based in the reality of the camera industry: Once upon a time, the American market was the be-all and end-all of the Japanese camera companies, and everything we wanted, they fell over themselves to make. Now, the American market is relatively less important than the world market and the home (Japanese) market, and it's relatively unaffected by corporate responsiveness anyway, PLUS the SLR market has become only a tiny fraction of the parent company's camera profit picture. Upshot? They just don't listen to us, period. They don't need to. Japanese companies haven't been heeling to the beck and call of the American consumer for some time now. Our day is done. In fact, from inside the industry, what you often hear is that the Japanese home offices of the camera companies don't even listen very well to the American distributorships--and often don't tell them very much about what's going on. Chance are, Pentax USA isn't very well informed about what Pentax Japan is doing, Pentax Japan doesn't much give a fig what Pentax USA thinks, and "our" opinion isn't worth a hill of beans to either one of them. I don't think it matters much whether Pentax USA is, or is not, "listening" to our alleged collective wisdom. Difficult though it may be for us to adapt to this fact, this is not the 1960s, and we simply aren't important any more to a Japanese company's financial health. Here's a vivid example of what I mean: a couple of years ago, I got a Kodak company insider to admit to me that, for a 5-year period, Kodak had essentially "forgotten" about what it calls the "AdAm" market--advanced amateurs. It was marketing to far larger and more important markets, such as grandmothers and "tween" girls, but it had become largely inconsequential to them that photography enthusiasts also buy photographic materials. We're such a tiny group relatively speaking that we just don't matter much to the company. (Incidentally, when it "remembered" about us, Kodak responded by starting to market a slick, expensive captive newsletter called "ViewFinder" as an "alternative" to advertising in enthusiast magazines. Big whoop.) Japan stopped making cameras primarily for the American market some time ago. What its home market thinks of new products is now far more important to any Japanese company than what we think. We should wake up and get used to that fact. Our opinion really doesn't matter one way or the other. It's hubristic and somewhat ludicrous--not to mention outdated--for us to believe that it does. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
focusing screens was Manual focus
RE: I used a K2 for many years with the micro prism screen. It was one of the few things I never liked about it. I much prefer the split image screen which seemed to be standard on the next generation. One of the things that makes manual focus on the ZX-5 difficult is the lack of a focusing aid on the screen. "David A. Mann" wrote: I have a 15mm SMC-A -- it has a very short 'throw' --- only about 1 inch and it seems pleasant to focus manually--- Of course it is almost impossible to get anything out of focus. :-) (at f16 everything from 12" to infinitity is in focus) I actually find this lens very hard to focus finely in some situations. The reason is that any single object tends to be too small to make sense in the microprism focussing screen of my K2. It doesn't matter too much to me as 99% of its use is beyond two metres! - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: F* 300/4.5 EDIF on ebay
That is the same one who failed to sell yesterday at less than $600. Michel - Original Message - From: Mark Stringer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 7:21 AM Subject: F* 300/4.5 EDIF on ebay Has a buy now price of $625. That's not bad. I have one and it is great. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: More responsive than stinks....
Yes, your new response is very much so. (---Much more helpful than "stinks".) I'm a re-tread, getting back into modern 35mm after many years away; so the details of the information you guys know, you just can't assume I also know. I'm not that far "in" (hip?) yet... (And I don't know as much as I thought I did to begin with, either.) I did not know, for instance, that when zoom lenses say f4 to f5.6, it means the fstop changes with the focal length, and when the lens says only f4 it means f4 throughout the entire focal length range (Although now it seems obvious to me. Hah!) So thanks very much Aaron for expanding your opinion and your factual information. This is helpful to me. Skip - Original Message - From: "Aaron Reynolds" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 8:41 AM Subject: Re: So, then what is a good lens for what I want to do? dosk wrote: (IMO "stinks" is not a very communicative response) Heh, sorry. I was hoping someone else would chime in with a more detailed response. Okay... The contrast is very poor. It is not sharp at 28mm or 105mm, noticeably on a 4x6 print (to me). At 28mm f5.6 it was less sharp than my much-maligned SMC-M 28mm f2.8 wide open. Pentax' 28-70 f4 kicked its ass quite seriously through their equivalent ranges. I bring this lens up because, while the Sigma is an f2.8 at 28mm, it is an f4 at 105mm, and if you're shooting sporty stuff you'll end up at the longer end, probably, more often than you'll find yourself at 28mm. The Pentax, however, is an f4 all the way through the range, but it doesn't have as much reach. If you don't mind manual focus, I'd suggest searching for a used Vivitar Series 1 70-210 f3.5. It's an f3.5 through the whole range, quite sharp and built like a tank. There have also been a couple of good Pentax 200mm f4 primes that you may be able to find used (again, they are manual focus). Or you could do like me and luck into a cheap SMC-A* 200mm f2.8. :) I also once possessed the Pentax 28-135 f4 lens (manual focus), and while it was pretty sharp and fast, the minimum focussing distance stank on it (it was something like 5 or 6 feet), so I sold it. For basketball, it'd probably be just perfect, and again it's an f4 all the way through. I've never tried one, but there's also that Pentax 70-210 f4. You're right, though, for the price, there's nothing like it available. Maybe you should find a store with it in stock and convince them to let you put it on your camera and shoot a roll around the store for evaluation purposes? That way you can judge for yourself whether or not it's acceptable. And, I'll admit it, I'm a complete picky bastard, and having that SMC-A* 200mm f2.8 has just made me worse. I will say that the Sigma 28-105 f2.8-4 definitely outperformed the "Pentax" 28-200mm (the first generation one). Needless to say, I have a very poor opinion of the 28-200 and of 28-200s in general. Aaron so, is that more helpful than "stinks"? :) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
OT: Paypal
I've actually had pretty good luck with PayPal -- it's been very convenient. Not sure how they're enticing folks to sign up for their service now, but when I signed up, you got $5 deposited to your account once you set it up. I think they've either changed or discontinued that incentive, however. But they now supposedly pay interest on your account balance. If you want to delete your account, you can click on the "PROFILE" tab after you log in, then click on "Close Account" in the menu on the left side of the page. If you don't use your PayPal account, it probably would be a good idea to close it. Just my USD $0.02 worth Bill Peifer Rochester, NY -Original Message- From: Pål Jensen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Paypal scam Rob Studdert forwarded a warning about a Paypal scam to the PDML group last week (an Australian server identified as secure.paypal-services.com). Isn't paypal a complete scam anyhow. I lost $1 on this scam. Supposedly you should get a four digit number with the Visa charge. My never came and theres no info on their web page how to delete your account. Stay clear. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Are new LXs available? How much to rebuild one?
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: Camera Direct a UK based company can import new LX's from Japan. Peter the owner may be able to ship to a non UK country. Camera Direct can also source many new LX finders/screens, cables grips etc etc. for the LX, along with many A M series lenses. Peter can and will ship outside the UK. He's a good guy - I've done business with him several times. However, he too is feeling the "LX pinch", so if anyone wants something from Peter, don't wait. There are times his delivery from Japan is slow, and it seems that there are some things he's having trouble getting. His trading partner is Yobodoshi (forgive me if I've erred in spelling, etc), and Yobodoshi will sell direct to consumers o/side Japan. Language is a bit of a problem, but if you keep your comments simple and direct, you should do fine. Contact details. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.camera-direct.com./default.asp Cheers Rob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
A call for forgiveness.....
Well y'all "told me so" DOF preview ... when am I going to use that? Auto Bracketing ... I'm not going to be lazy and just do it myself Spot Metering, Center-Weighted .. Metering, Schmetering I call out for forgiveness for not listening to your suggestions/insights!!! As of this morning I have upgraded to the ZX-5N! Truth be told - this is the one originally wanted and couldn't (at the time) justify the extra cost. Now that I've had time to get into this hobby I realize I should've just bit the bullet. Not sure what came over me. I'm ready for my penance now.. D - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: just talked to Pentax ...(about the MZ-S)
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Alan Chan wrote: Finding an excellent yet affordable lab is difficult indeed. I thought I found one, until someone else operated the very same machine and now they suck. Every print comes with little white spots everywhere as bonus. Black spots on a print are probably dust on the negative at the time the photo was taken (your fault), but white spots are crud (dust, hair, etc.) on the neg at the time it was printed (your lab's fault). They should re-do those for you at no charge. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: A call for forgiveness.....
Say three "hail Pentax"s and go shoot some film utilizing all the features of your new camera... Norm From: Delano Mireles I'm ready for my penance now.. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Spirit Level on Tripod
Shel wrote: Well, it seems that others feel a level is useful in their work, and I suppose if it is then you should use one, however, not at the sacrifice of a good, sturdy tripod. If you feel a need for a level, then get one that you can attach to the camera. Bogen/Manfrotto make some heads with built-in levels, and that's always an option as well. The 029 pan tilt head (wich I own and love) has two buit.in levels (I own an old, not the latest version). Please note this is the Manfrotto number. To see the matching bogen number you have to go to www.manfrotto.com. Regards. Albano PS: Regarding tripod legs, I suggest you the 144 legs. They are strong, and large. In full extension it lets me eye-level viewing (I'm 1,93 m. or 6 feet 4 inches tall). Togheter head and legs weight 4 kilos (about nine pounds). Heavy, but really steady. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: z-1p
Hello Raivo, Does anybody know for sure - is Z-1p discontinued ? I make Pentax site for Estonian "pentaxeers" about Z-1p Z-20 and want provide them with exact info . Heelp ! No, the Z-1p is not discontinued. It's true that it's outdated technologically in some areas (notably AF), but it's still a superb camera. And, as the new MZ-S will probably not be regarded as a direct replacement to it (some of its features are presumably lower end, such as an 1/180 sec sync speed compared to the 1/250 sec of the Z-1p), the Z-1p will probably survive for a while. The Z-20 has been long discontinued, though. Bye, Peter Farkas __ Please visit my homepage at http://f1photos.cjb.net (redirect of http://petra.hos.u-szeged.hu/~wolf/f1page) __ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Slide/negative cleaning
How well would plain rubbing (isopropyl) alcohol work? Maris - Original Message - From: "William Robb" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 12:26 AM Subject: Re: Slide/negative cleaning | - Original Message - | From: "Dan Scott" [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 10:47 PM | Subject: RE: Slide/negative cleaning | | | PEC pads which are made to go with the PEC 12. | | Thanks. I went to their website, but didn't see anything about | what it is | composed of? Does it have a warning label? | | If I am not mistaken, PEC-12 is simple acetone. | William Robb | | Dan Scott | | | - | This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, | go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at | http://pug.komkon.org. | - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Are new LXs availalble? How much to rebuild one?
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:18:31 +0200, you wrote: At 08:58 16.1.2001 -0800, Mark wrote: Smile Photo was still listing the LX in their magazine ads the last time I checked ($799.99) Call them at 800-516-4203 Their web site is www.smilephotovideo.com but I suspect a phone call would be more productive in this case. I would not recommend Smile Photo. Their advertised prices are always much lower than what they actually try to sell for. Also, they list items which they cannot get but will be happy to take your money by trying to sell you something else. You know, I kind of suspected that just from looking at their ad... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Paypal scam
I'm leery of it, also - I certainly don't want to give my bank account number to anyone on the web (required for sellers it appears). I considered doing it for a purchase and got turned off once more by twenty screenfuls of agreement /caution stuff. my 2 cents annsan Pl Jensen wrote: Rob Studdert forwarded a warning about a Paypal scam to the PDML group last week (an Australian server identified as secure.paypal-services.com). Isn't paypal a complete scam anyhow. I lost $1 on this scam. Supposedly you should get a four digit number with the Visa charge. My never came and theres no info on their web page how to delete your account. Stay clear. Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
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Bodies Roll Call UPDATE 54
Please send the messages to me directly, to not disturb other members, thanks. Also, I've not included 110 and digital cameras, just because I started this way, and I didn't want to change in the middle of the way. Also, if you already submited and want to add new items, please put clearly in your message: this is not my first submission, so I don't put you twice in the total answers. Thanks to all contributors. TOTAL ANSWERS: 312 members MANUAL FOCUS: Screw Mount: - Asahiflex IIa3 - Asahiflex IIb1 - Asahi Pentax (AP)3 - K2 - SL...8 - SV...9 - S1a..9 - S2...1 - S3...2 - SP5008 - SP1000...7 - Spotmatic...28 - Spotmatic II12 - Spotmatic IIa1 - Spotmatic SP22 - Spotmatic SP II..5 - Spotmatic F.32 - Spotmatic F MD...2 - Spotmatic MD.3 - ES..13 - ES II...20 - ElectroSpotmatic.3 - H1...1 - H1a..5 - H2...4 - H3...3 - H3v..5 Bayonette: - KM11 - KX27 - KX MD..1 - K224 - K2 DMD.7 - K1000.56 - K1000 SE...6 - MX...104 - ME31 - ME SE..1 - ME Super..98 - ME Super SE2 - MV.7 - MG11 - LX99 - Super Program.55 - Super A...31 - Program Plus..13 - Program A..9 - A3000..3 - A3.2 - A3(date)...1 - P3.5 - P3n5 - P308 - P30t..10 - P5.5 - P501 - ZX M..17 - MZ M...9 AUTOFOCUS: - ME F..10 - SF 1...5 - SFX3 - SF 1n..5 - SFXn...6 - SF 7...2 - SF 10..6 - PZ 1..17 - PZ 1 SE1 - Z120 - PZ 1p.56 - Z1p...37 - PZ 10..5 - Z 10...1 - PZ 20..9 - Z 20...2 - PZ 70..6 - Z 70...2 - Z5.1 - MZ 3..13 - ZX 5...6 - MZ 5..10 - ZX 5n.43 - MZ 5n.28 - ZX 7...8 - MZ 7...4 - ZX 10..9 - MZ 10.10 - ZX 30..5 - ZX 50..4 - MZ 50..5 MEDIUM FORMAT: - 64515 - 645n3 - 6x7.9 - 67.10 - 67 II...6 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: OT: Paypal
My experience with Paypal has been like Bill's and not like Pl's. (I didn't know that they were operating out of the USA for Pl.) My transactions have been simple payments which were charged to my credit card, easily identified on the monthly statement. I have not gone on and registered a bank account number with them as I have some concern about giving anybody the access they seek to charging transactions against my account. Bill Wrote: I've actually had pretty good luck with PayPal -- it's been very convenient. Not sure how they're enticing folks to sign up for their service now, but when I signed up, you got $5 deposited to your account once you set it up. I think they've either changed or discontinued that incentive, however. But they now supposedly pay interest on your account balance. If you want to delete your account, you can click on the "PROFILE" tab after you log in, then click on "Close Account" in the menu on the left side of the page. If you don't use your PayPal account, it probably would be a good idea to close it. Just my USD $0.02 worth Bill Peifer Rochester, NY -Original Message- From: Pl Jensen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Paypal scam Rob Studdert forwarded a warning about a Paypal scam to the PDML group last week (an Australian server identified as secure.paypal-services.com). Isn't paypal a complete scam anyhow. I lost $1 on this scam. Supposedly you should get a four digit number with the Visa charge. My never came and theres no info on their web page how to delete your account. Stay clear. Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Paypal scam
Pl Jensen wrote: Rob Studdert forwarded a warning about a Paypal scam to the PDML group last week (an Australian server identified as secure.paypal-services.com). Isn't paypal a complete scam anyhow. I lost $1 on this scam. Supposedly you should get a four digit number with the Visa charge. My never came and theres no info on their web page how to delete your account. Stay clear. Pay Pal isn't a scam but someone was operating a web page *pretending* to be Pay Pal and running a scam that way. (Like the fake AOL "please send us your password" web pages) I've had thousands of dollars of purchases and sales through Pay Pay with nary a glitch. For doing business on line with individuals it's as safe as a money order but much quicker. They don't operate from all countries yet, which may be why Pl had problems. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Anyone got a K2 owner's manual?
Anyone got a K2 owner's manual they could copy for me. I just bought one and would like to have it for reference even though it's not that complex a camera. Regular old photocopy would be fine. Mark Roberts - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Best New Part of PDML - Archive Search
You can actually search the archives. Hooray! David Viles - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
Amen! Otis Wright Mike Johnston wrote: I have another theory. Maybe Pentax was trying to collect our opinions over the last few years in order to finalize their MZ-S (the name is not important) features. Now they have collected enough information (they think) and the MZ-S is about ready. In order to cut down the cost, they have decided to drop the list and let someone else to run it. That means from now on, what we said was less important that we used to be. Just a guess. Here's another think, more based in the reality of the camera industry: Once upon a time, the American market was the be-all and end-all of the Japanese camera companies, and everything we wanted, they fell over themselves to make. Now, the American market is relatively less important than the world market and the home (Japanese) market, and it's relatively unaffected by corporate responsiveness anyway, PLUS the SLR market has become only a tiny fraction of the parent company's camera profit picture. Upshot? They just don't listen to us, period. They don't need to. Japanese companies haven't been heeling to the beck and call of the American consumer for some time now. Our day is done. In fact, from inside the industry, what you often hear is that the Japanese home offices of the camera companies don't even listen very well to the American distributorships--and often don't tell them very much about what's going on. Chance are, Pentax USA isn't very well informed about what Pentax Japan is doing, Pentax Japan doesn't much give a fig what Pentax USA thinks, and "our" opinion isn't worth a hill of beans to either one of them. I don't think it matters much whether Pentax USA is, or is not, "listening" to our alleged collective wisdom. Difficult though it may be for us to adapt to this fact, this is not the 1960s, and we simply aren't important any more to a Japanese company's financial health. Here's a vivid example of what I mean: a couple of years ago, I got a Kodak company insider to admit to me that, for a 5-year period, Kodak had essentially "forgotten" about what it calls the "AdAm" market--advanced amateurs. It was marketing to far larger and more important markets, such as grandmothers and "tween" girls, but it had become largely inconsequential to them that photography enthusiasts also buy photographic materials. We're such a tiny group relatively speaking that we just don't matter much to the company. (Incidentally, when it "remembered" about us, Kodak responded by starting to market a slick, expensive captive newsletter called "ViewFinder" as an "alternative" to advertising in enthusiast magazines. Big whoop.) Japan stopped making cameras primarily for the American market some time ago. What its home market thinks of new products is now far more important to any Japanese company than what we think. We should wake up and get used to that fact. Our opinion really doesn't matter one way or the other. It's hubristic and somewhat ludicrous--not to mention outdated--for us to believe that it does. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
Do you think the medium to high end "Pentax user base" is sufficiently large enough to generate the required threshold product volume Pentax requires or will the product need to penetrate significantly into the C/N user/prospective user base? Otis Wright Pl Jensen wrote: I think you somewhat mix-up what the american market means to what the Pentax customer means. I do believe that you're right that the american markets isn't that important for Pentax. It consist of 5% of the worlds population and maybe 10% of the worlds consumers. Besides, Pentax is weak in the american market. You're also right that the Pentax distributors, US or elsewhere, don't know much and don't have much influence. However, they are still urged to report feedback from their customers. One of the standard one are the wish for digital back for the medium format systems. This is reported to the marketing people in Pentax Japan. You're wrong though that Pentax don't listen to their customers. It's wrong to believe that camera manufacturers exist in a vacuum without consideration of market whims and customer base wants. Pentax customers for any higher end efford is going to be owners of K-mount lenses. Ignoring these people is a sure recipe for disaster. In fact, the delay of the MZ-S was based on feedback and done because market failure was seen unacceptable for Pentax - they want to be sure that the camera hit the customer base. 20 million bucks was used on the MZ-S before any upgrade. In fact, customer demand may have direct influence on decisions. This has been confirmed by both Pentax japan marketing people and Pentax engineers. This is not only true for Pentax, Canon also use consumer input in camera design; particularly their pro base. However, I do not think they listen to americans in particular :-). However, I do believe that the home market may be the most important. Every single company spend large resources on custumer and market research. Even though slr's is not an important mony maker for any manufacturer, those who want to be in this market needs to please the customers even more because it is so competitive. Pentax is in a particular difficult situation since they have virtually absent in the upper market for ten years. Its easy to know what a Canon user expect but what do a Pentax users anno 2001 really want? Pl - Original Message - From: "Mike Johnston" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: Wake up I have another theory. Maybe Pentax was trying to collect our opinions over the last few years in order to finalize their MZ-S (the name is not important) features. Now they have collected enough information (they think) and the MZ-S is about ready. In order to cut down the cost, they have decided to drop the list and let someone else to run it. That means from now on, what we said was less important that we used to be. Just a guess. Here's another think, more based in the reality of the camera industry: Once upon a time, the American market was the be-all and end-all of the Japanese camera companies, and everything we wanted, they fell over themselves to make. Now, the American market is relatively less important than the world market and the home (Japanese) market, and it's relatively unaffected by corporate responsiveness anyway, PLUS the SLR market has become only a tiny fraction of the parent company's camera profit picture. Upshot? They just don't listen to us, period. They don't need to. Japanese companies haven't been heeling to the beck and call of the American consumer for some time now. Our day is done. In fact, from inside the industry, what you often hear is that the Japanese home offices of the camera companies don't even listen very well to the American distributorships--and often don't tell them very much about what's going on. Chance are, Pentax USA isn't very well informed about what Pentax Japan is doing, Pentax Japan doesn't much give a fig what Pentax USA thinks, and "our" opinion isn't worth a hill of beans to either one of them. I don't think it matters much whether Pentax USA is, or is not, "listening" to our alleged collective wisdom. Difficult though it may be for us to adapt to this fact, this is not the 1960s, and we simply aren't important any more to a Japanese company's financial health. Here's a vivid example of what I mean: a couple of years ago, I got a Kodak company insider to admit to me that, for a 5-year period, Kodak had essentially "forgotten" about what it calls the "AdAm" market--advanced amateurs. It was marketing to far larger and more important markets, such as grandmothers and "tween" girls, but it had become largely inconsequential to them that photography enthusiasts also buy photographic materials. We're such a tiny group relatively speaking that we just don't matter much to the
Re: KMP update
This is probably a lot of work but I think it might be useful, or at least interesting, to mention which of the modern lenses have plastic vs metal lens mounts. I have no idea about where to start to look for this information, otherwise I would begin to compile the data myself. --- Bojidar Dimitrov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have just updated the KMP (http://www.phred.org/pentax/k/). There are no revolutionary changes but there are a lot of small changes. There is one interesting thing: "Pentax top bodies" in the FAQ section. Cheers, Boz --- 15.01.2001 * Changed the links to the PDML in the "WWW" page. * Picture of the (non-SMC) Pentax-F 70-20 f/4-5.6 lens. * Picture and information on the AA Battery Grip SF. * Indicated which lenses feature built-in hoods. * New pictures of: Profile 35-70/3.5-4.5 * Improved pictures of: - A 16/2.8 Fish-Eye, FA* 24/2.0, 28/3.5 Shift, FA 43/1.9 Limited, M50/1.4, FA 50/2.8 Macro, A 135/2.8, M 135/3.5, FA* 300/4.5, A 35-70/3.5-4.5, A 70-210/4, F 80-200/4.7-5.6 - A 2x-S teleconverter - MX, MZ-5n, Z1 SE - AF240Z flash * Improved optical diagrams of: FA 20-35/4, FA35/2, FA 77/1.8, FA 100/3.5 Macro, A/F 28-80/3.5-4.5, F 70-210/4-5.6, FA 100/300/4.7-5.8. * Info on the non-SMC 35-70/3.5-4.5 lenses. * Indicated which lenses feature tripod sockets. * Indicated which IF lenses have rear-element focusing. * Updated the "K-Mount feature summary" page: http://www.phred.org/pentax/k/FAQ/summary/ * Cosmetic changes to the top-level FAQ page: http://www.phred.org/pentax/k/FAQ/ * Created a new page in the FAQ section: Lens-Related Formulas: http://www.phred.org/pentax/k/FAQ/lensFormulas/ * Added a magnification calculation script to the Lens-Related Formulas page. * Made a page on the "best" Pentax bodies: http://www.phred.org/pentax/k/FAQ/topBodies/ * Finished redoing the K-mount description pages: http://www.phred.org/pentax/k/FAQ/K-mount/ * Corrected the filter diameter of the 45-120/4 lens: 58 mm. -- _\\|//_ Imagination is more important than knowledge... 0(` O-O ')0 A. Einstein ===ooO=(_)=Ooo=== Bojidar D. Dimitrov author and editor, Pentax K-Mount web page [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phred.org/pentax/k/ = __ __ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
I would imagine that their market would be current Pentax users upgrading so they can use the same glass, plus us Pentax diehards. I would doubt that they will penetrate the C or N market to any significant effect... Norm From: Otis Wright, Jr. Do you think the medium to high end "Pentax user base" is sufficiently large enough to generate the required threshold product volume Pentax requires or will the product need to penetrate significantly into the C/N user/prospective user base? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Digital and soul (WAS: Re: just talked to Pentax ...(about theMZ-S))
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Pl Jensen wrote: Dan wrote: I'm here, though, 'cause the pictures I've seen from digital cameras have no soul. This reminds me about arguments agianst digital sound. It also seem to lack soul. I guess grain from film add texture to an image. I guess pixel aren't as pleasing for texture. I think this is only because we are *used* to grain, and not to pixellization. Wait until a couple of generations go through it, living with digital images, using film less and less. Then digital will get whatever you guys are calling "soul". I'm still shooting film, only because the quality is orders of magnitude better (given what I'm willing to pay.) j -- - Juan J. Buhler | FX Animator @ PDI | http://www.crosswinds.net/~jbuhler - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Slide/negative cleaning
- Original Message - From: "IronWorks" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Slide/negative cleaning How well would plain rubbing (isopropyl) alcohol work? Maris Rubbing alcohol is a residual product, so it is not really good.. Traditional film cleaner is trichlorothane (methyl chloroform). Most of the wonder products are repackaged simple stuff. Acetone works just fine as a film cleaner. If you look at the ingredients in PEC-12, it's the only one listed. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
I think that having the new MZ-S incorporated several innovations discussed here in the PDL is a strong indication that they do listen. Besides, how different are Japanese photographers from north Americans? I'd say that their needs are pretty much the same. I don't think they totally disregard the US market but they might consider easier and less costly to start with their own home market since N and C are so strong in the US. Japan can work pretty much as a test market for Pentax. Another possibility is that Pentax is only concentrating efforts where their competitors are not that strong. The fact that the MZ's sell much more in Europe than the other SLR brands kind of indicates that. Herbet. --- "Otis Wright, Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen! Otis Wright Mike Johnston wrote: I have another theory. Maybe Pentax was trying to collect our opinions over the last few years in order to finalize their MZ-S (the name is not important) features. Now they have collected enough information (they think) and the MZ-S is about ready. In order to cut down the cost, they have decided to drop the list and let someone else to run it. That means from now on, what we said was less important that we used to be. Just a guess. Here's another think, more based in the reality of the camera industry: Once upon a time, the American market was the be-all and end-all of the Japanese camera companies, and everything we wanted, they fell over themselves to make. Now, the American market is relatively less important than the world market and the home (Japanese) market, and it's relatively unaffected by corporate responsiveness anyway, PLUS the SLR market has become only a tiny fraction of the parent company's camera profit picture. Upshot? They just don't listen to us, period. They don't need to. Japanese companies haven't been heeling to the beck and call of the American consumer for some time now. Our day is done. In fact, from inside the industry, what you often hear is that the Japanese home offices of the camera companies don't even listen very well to the American distributorships--and often don't tell them very much about what's going on. Chance are, Pentax USA isn't very well informed about what Pentax Japan is doing, Pentax Japan doesn't much give a fig what Pentax USA thinks, and "our" opinion isn't worth a hill of beans to either one of them. I don't think it matters much whether Pentax USA is, or is not, "listening" to our alleged collective wisdom. Difficult though it may be for us to adapt to this fact, this is not the 1960s, and we simply aren't important any more to a Japanese company's financial health. Here's a vivid example of what I mean: a couple of years ago, I got a Kodak company insider to admit to me that, for a 5-year period, Kodak had essentially "forgotten" about what it calls the "AdAm" market--advanced amateurs. It was marketing to far larger and more important markets, such as grandmothers and "tween" girls, but it had become largely inconsequential to them that photography enthusiasts also buy photographic materials. We're such a tiny group relatively speaking that we just don't matter much to the company. (Incidentally, when it "remembered" about us, Kodak responded by starting to market a slick, expensive captive newsletter called "ViewFinder" as an "alternative" to advertising in enthusiast magazines. Big whoop.) Japan stopped making cameras primarily for the American market some time ago. What its home market thinks of new products is now far more important to any Japanese company than what we think. We should wake up and get used to that fact. Our opinion really doesn't matter one way or the other. It's hubristic and somewhat ludicrous--not to mention outdated--for us to believe that it does. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Slide/negative cleaning
No wonder I pass out when I use that stuffG Norm From: William Robb Traditional film cleaner is trichlorothane (methyl chloroform). - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Info needed Pentax Ricoh
Can someone explain me the link between Pentax and Ricoh ? Positive and /or negative points about Ricoh ? Do parts/lenses interchange ? Thanks, fredd - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
RE: Spirit Level on Tripod
I have the Bogen 3021 with the 3047 head. The head has levels for two horizontal directions. Or are you looking for a level on the legs itself? Frits i wouldnt need a front and back level, just side to side so that the horizon was straight i think i'm handy enough to attach a level for this purpose :) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
RE: Questions about film scanners (off-topic) help needed
It actually is almost 140 pounds with VAT, the 119 is without VAT. Perhaps you don't have to pay that if you order from outside Europe? I assume so. I have never ordered from them, why should I? I just drive to them. That's how close by I live. It's a shop in an industrial area, not very fancy, and with people that understood what I needed. Quite different compared to the bigger shops of chains with salesman who are not very knowledgeable. I remember one of my colleagues used to deal with them before he moved into this area, and he referred me to them, I assume he has some experience how they treat mailorders. I will ask him more specific what he knows about them, as soon as hew recovers from his severe cold. Frits On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, [iso-8859-1] Frits J. Wthrich wrote: 140 UK pounds including VAT new for the Scanwit 2720S at http://www.gigabyte-ltd.com/shop/default.html?target=search.html So that is 210 US dollars new in the UK! Actually it is only 119 UKP. Amazing! Is this store reputable? Gerald (seriously tempted..) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
Norman Baugher wrote: I would imagine that their market would be current Pentax users upgrading so they can use the same glass, plus us Pentax diehards. I would doubt that they will penetrate the C or N market to any significant effect... Norm I doubt it, too, since Pentax have said they have no intention of going after that market. Not that they couldn't win, there, if they decided to, and if they had the products to back it up. The professional market is decidedly fickle - they'll buy the product if it's what they need for the job. Just look at how much of the market Canon own today, and study their history. -- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Options to Ciba
Jerry wrote: Frontier is a Fuji process. I have used both and I use Frontier almost exclusively now. I usually get 8x12 (full frame 35mm for the same price as 8x10)) and then crop in the mat. There is a limit to the size of the Frontier enlargement compared to what is available from Ciba, it may be 12x18 but I don't have the specs in front of me just now. Ciba allows for larger prints. You can choose matt or glossy finish. They are also cheaper... I pay $8.50 USD for an 8x12. Just like any other process quality depends on the skill of the operator and I am lucky that my local (Houston, TX) shop, Houston Photo Imaging, has done excellent work. You ask about using "plastic" mediawhat do you mean? Jerry, thanks for your answer. I mean the synthetic, glossy finish. AFAIK there exist the Pearl finish wich is a RC paper, and it's not considered archival (resource: lightroom webpage). Also, if I understand what you say, ciba is cheaper than frontier? I have just found a place here doing Ciba and they cost 3 times the prices of frontiers. Maybe just a local issue. Albano - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
OT: Photo Shopping in Sydney, Australia
We're here in Sydney for a while, looking for work and exercising our Pentaxes. Can any of the Aussie members recommend a good photo shop in the city with a decent range of film and b/w chemistry? Also a colour lab without too much fondness for tramlines and dust? Maybe better respond off list to avoid raising the Powers from the Pit! Thanks, Colin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
SV: just talked to Pentax ...(about the MZ-S)
Well, aren't we all... Jens -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]P; vegne af Alan Chan Sendt: 16. januar 2001 04:46 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: just talked to Pentax ...(about the MZ-S) Of course. To my knowledge, nobody identifying themselves as from Pentax ever appeared on the list == they wouldn't have dared to. g Perhaps we can start guessing who is/are working for Pentax... regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
Bill, I don't know what part of America you come from but I've traveled quite a bit both inside and outside the USA. No one here lives in anything approaching third world poverty. There may be some recent immigrants, mostly illegal living very poorly but most 'poor' people in the US own their own cars have air conditioning and enough food to become overweight. Poor people in most of the world have a hard time getting enough to eat, (you don't see many fat people in the poor sections of San Palo or just about any lower income area in Africa or South America. Someone making $20,000 to $40,000 a year, (more than 85% of the US population if I remember correctly), is rich beyond the wildest dreams of the typical human being living outside North America, Western Europe and Japan. People in those circumstances can at least contemplate buying an expensive modern camera. --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Wake up Snipped content As you noted Pål, our numbers are smallish relative to the world's population but America's consumer purchasing power makes the real numbers nearly moot. Not true. The income disparity in the USA means that while the per capita income may seem to be very high (this is statistics at work), the fact is that there is a concentation of high income in a very small population group, making the USA a much smaller market than Mafud likes to think it is. A very large percentage of the population of the US lives in conditions approaching the poorest of the third world , while a very small percentage lives in genteel conditions. It is this monied gentry that buys the expensive consumer goods. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Comparing an FA 50mm 1.4 to an FD 50mm 1.8....
Hello Mafud The "enhanced" film though, was used with both camera/lens setups, no? Wouldn't that then seem to indicate that the difference is in the lenses and/or cameras? But maybe you're on to something; perhaps the Canon FD 1.8 required the film enhancements to operate well, while the Pentax FA did not like them? In any case, I think I'll have to experiment not only with film, as per your suggestion, but also with my ZX-M's memory lock and exposure compensation features I'll try the same shots again with the M and the same Superia film, only this time I'll try bracketing shots with the EV compensation setting adjustments... (I just picked up a copy of the "Magic Lantern Guide" for the ZX-M and K-1000; should be able to learn some new stuff there, too...) Thanks for responding, Skip - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:28 AM Subject: Re: Comparing an FA 50mm 1.4 to an FD 50mm 1.8 In a message dated 1/15/01 11:37:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Pentax FA, on the other hand, is much sharper but the contrast is too much. Too bright on the windows, too dark in the interiors Keeping in mind you were shooting an "enhanced" print film, it would be interesting to know which lens more accurately reflected what *you* saw, as opposed to film results. Perhaps the film results would have been different had you used a Portra film for instance? Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
I stand corrected. Sorry for the slur to the USA, I blame my proud Canadian heritage (which allows me to avoid taking blame every time I do or say something stupid). Hugs all round now. Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: Re: Wake up Bob S. wrote in chastisement: Bill, I've got to agree with Peter. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Spirit Level on Tripod
Paul Jones wrote: Hi, essentialy all i want it is a level so that i make sure that horizon it straight. Paul Then the Hama level Rob mentioned is ideal, assuming you have an accessory shoe. We've used one for years, but it's a problem to fit on the grip of the 67 as that has no leaf spring to hold the level. Still working on that one... Colin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Are new LXs availalble? How much to rebuild one?
Bolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, to make along email short, is it still possible to purchase a new LX? Hi Bolo and all! Check this: http://www.nicam.it/35mm.asp (I don't know if they have an english version of the site) Not so amazingly, they list the Pentax LX apart from the other Pentax bodies... at the price of Lit. 3.526.000 (roughly 1710 USD) :( Gianfranco Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Spirit Level on Tripod
Spirit level mounted on camera is best then (unless you need the hotshoe for a flash at the time). The ground, tripod, etc., can be crooked but it's ultimately your camera that must level. My manfrotto ball head has a level on it as well. But sometimes if you don't carry the tripod and set the camera on a ledge, wall, etc., the spirit level allows you to prop the camera up with a pebble, sliver of wood, manual, etc, and you'll know it's level. Tom C. -Original Message- From: Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 5:03 PM Subject: RE: Spirit Level on Tripod Hi, essentialy all i want it is a level so that i make sure that horizon it straight. Paul From: "Frits J. Wthrich" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Spirit Level on Tripod Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:54:58 - I have the Bogen 3021 with the 3047 head. The head has levels for two horizontal directions. Or are you looking for a level on the legs itself? Frits i wouldnt need a front and back level, just side to side so that the horizon was straight i think i'm handy enough to attach a level for this purpose :) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
It's been my opinion that corporations, for the most part, don't truly pay attention to their customers. They may attempt to feel out the market (which they could gain far more info by analyzing own and competitor's sales than from listening in on the PDML). Primarily they listen to their stockholders and board members who for the most part don't give a damn what product they produce as long as it turns the biggest profit possible. In the instance of a fairly small niche group, who care whether they produce a new PZ-1/LX replacement, I think it'll rain on the parade. Look at the PZ-1p. In many many respects it was a winner and competitively priced when produced, but the world didn't follow. As far as the ghettos go, it's probably more likely that a camera get stolen and pawned, than purchased. Tom C. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Wake up Bill, I've got to agree with Peter. I've looked at demographics in the USA professionally, and the USA is generally and specifically very rich. You could drop a McDonald's down in almost any neighborhood and have enough customers (400,000-500,000 per year) who can afford a $3.50 meal to make a hansome profit. Almost everybody has enough disposable income to afford to the luxury of spending on eating a meal away from home. This is not the case in the third world. As for camera sales, someone published a link to Japanese camera export figures here last year. If I remember correctly, exports divided roughly evenly with the most to the EU, 2nd to North America, and 3rd place to the rest of the world. Of course, this doesn't account for sales in Japan, but I suspect it is good sized. Based on this, I'd guess the Japanese pay attention to the home market first. The research and feedback is just plain easier to do. Mercedes and Range-Rover may pay attention to their email lists, but Pentax isn't selling items with a $40,000 to $60,000 price tag. They don't have the profits to keep up this kind of research. Regards, Bob S. Peter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Bill, I don't know what part of America you come from but I've traveled quite a bit both inside and outside the USA. No one here lives in anything approaching third world poverty. There may be some recent immigrants, mostly illegal living very poorly but most 'poor' people in the US own their own cars have air conditioning and enough food to become overweight. Poor people in most of the world have a hard time getting enough to eat, (you don't see many fat people in the poor sections of San Palo or just about any lower income area in Africa or South America. Someone making $20,000 to $40,000 a year, (more than 85% of the US population if I remembe correctly), is rich beyond the wildest dreams of the typical human being living outside North America, Western Europe and Japan. People in those circumstances can at least contemplate buying an expensive modern camera. --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Wake up Snipped content As you noted Pl, our numbers are smallish relative to the world's population but America's consumer purchasing power makes the real numbers nearly moot. Not true. The income disparity in the USA means that while the per capita income may seem to be very high (this is statistics at work), the fact is that there is a concentation of high income in a very small population group, making the USA a much smaller market than Mafud likes to think it is. A very large percentage of the population of the US lives in conditions approaching the poorest of the third world , while a very small percentage lives in genteel conditions. It is this monied gentry that buys the expensive consumer goods. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
The idea with new products are to expand the base. *** I agree, most new products are released for this purpose, but how do you do this if you don't compete with the major players? Otis Wright Pl Jensen wrote: Otis wrote Do you think the medium to high end "Pentax user base" is sufficiently large enough to generate the required threshold product volume Pentax requires or will the product need to penetrate significantly into the C/N user/prospective user base? Sufficiently large? The idea with new products are to expand the base. If not, you have chicken and egg problem; you can't sell products you don't already have because you don't have the customer base - you won't get the customer base because you don't have product. The idea is to make the product so desirable so that the Pentax users want to buy them. Of course, it should desirable enough for other brand users as well. This is a bonus. On of greatest mistakes in all marketing, is to believe that you only compete with similar products from other manufacturers. You don't. You compete with hi-fi companies, computer companies etc. The point is to make the consumer buy a Pentax camera (in this case) insetad of a new hi-fi system or bicycle - make the product so desirable that the consumer changes his priorities. The market posibility for any good product is virtually endless although admittedly Pentax would have a harder time than Nikon or Canon because they are more easily recognized brand names. The LX is a good case in point. Pentax had no customer base but still the LX created waiting list the first year on the market. Likewise, there were no customer base for the original 6X7 or the Pentax 645 system. Now the former is a long term seller and the latter the most sold medium format camera. In the medium format cases they created completely new systems from nothing. Now theres close to 10 000 000 K-mount lenses out there; a huge potential. Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Anyone got a K2 owner's manual?
If it's the same as AOL 6.0, you probably can't turn it off. If anyone wants an unopened AOL 5.0 CD, email me privately. I will mail it to the first person who asks for it. William Robb - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 6:03 PM Subject: Re: Anyone got a K2 owner's manual? We all ought to start an online resource of owners manuals, for everyone who buys a vintage Pentax. Any ideas on how we could get this started? Kyle Sellers P.S. If my HTML is still on, I am sorry. Compuserve has been no help in telling me how to turn this off. I don't think even they know how to use 6.0. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
Would you say/guess that the "current Pentax [35mm] user" set is increasing or declining in numbers each year? Otis Wright John Francis wrote: Norman Baugher wrote: I would imagine that their market would be current Pentax users upgrading so they can use the same glass, plus us Pentax diehards. I would doubt that they will penetrate the C or N market to any significant effect... Norm I doubt it, too, since Pentax have said they have no intention of going after that market. Not that they couldn't win, there, if they decided to, and if they had the products to back it up. The professional market is decidedly fickle - they'll buy the product if it's what they need for the job. Just look at how much of the market Canon own today, and study their history. -- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
If you consider McDonald's a meal. :-) Tom C. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Wake up You could drop a McDonald's down in almost any neighborhood and have enough customers (400,000-500,000 per year) who can afford a $3.50 meal to make a hansome profit. Almost everybody has enough disposable income to afford to the luxury of spending on eating a meal away from home. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Are new LXs availalble? How much to rebuild one?
I find it easy to believe; home market is the most important to every manufacturer. Why should Pentax be different :-) Reijo Riikonen Especially when the brand Pentax is much more respected in Japan. regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Paypal scam
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:34:49 +1000, "Rob Studdert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was not the case for purchasers using Paypal credit payment services from outside the USA when I last ventured there, they wanted faxed copies of the front and rear of the credit card from my recollection, as such I declined to pay by Paypal. I expect they're very leery of "overseas" users who are really U.S. residents looking to operate some kind of scam. It's a shame for everyone else but I can understand their wariness :( - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
Bob Wroe: I've got to agree with Peter. I've looked at demographics in the USA professionally, and the USA is generally and specifically very rich. This is not correct when compared with other western societies. 1 million in prison 3-5 million homeless is just a symptomatic tip of the iceberg. There are a large middle class and many stinkin rich but no western countries have anything remotely the percentages of poor as the US. Hence, the number of consumer divided by population is significantly smaller in the US than countries its natural to compare with. The US makes up for this by size. Whats more, Pentax market share is much lower in the US compared to many other markets. Also, theres a much tougher price competition in the US than most other places reducing profit. Hence, I believe the US market isn't that important to Pentax. Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: just talked to Pentax ...(about the MZ-S)
Black spots on a print are probably dust on the negative at the time the photo was taken (your fault), but white spots are crud (dust, hair, etc.) on the neg at the time it was printed (your lab's fault). They should re-do those for you at no charge. I did, but it happened too often and on too many prints each time, I just visit another lab now. regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
aimcompute wrote: If you consider McDonald's a meal. :-) Anyone truly in the third world would consider a McDonald's meal far more than would be needed for a single person. They's consider $3.50 enough to provide for more than one meal, too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Wake up You could drop a McDonald's down in almost any neighborhood and have enough customers (400,000-500,000 per year) who can afford a $3.50 meal to make a hansome profit. Almost everybody has enough disposable income to afford to the luxury of spending on eating a meal away from home. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org. -- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Slush
Snowfield wrote: If anyone wants an unopened AOL 5.0 CD, email me privately. I will mail it to the first person who asks for it. No!InterNational shipments of computer virii is surely a heinous crime and if they catch you the PUG will suffer!! ... ever considered skeet ?? !8^D - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
Otis wrote: Would you say/guess that the "current Pentax [35mm] user" set is increasing or declining in numbers each year? The Pentax customer base is ever increasing because the total number of Pentax cameras and lenses are ever increasing. If you buy current pentax 35mm users mean customers that are using current generation AF gear, then its increasing from the mid 90's or so. This based on accelerating sales figures of the FA lenses by asuming this increase is also reflected in camera sales. It of course also varies with market variations. Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Remove dirt
Hi Would you please tell me how to remove the tightly attached dirt without affecting the coating on FA lens surface? Thanks! - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Comparing an FA 50mm 1.4 to an FD 50mm 1.8....
In a message dated 1/16/01 2:08:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: Re: Comparing an FA 50mm 1.4 to an FD 50mm 1.8 Date: 1/16/01 2:08:28 PM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (dosk) Hello Mafud The "enhanced" film though, was used with both camera/lens setups, no? Wouldn't that then seem to indicate that the difference is in the lenses and/or cameras? I think Fuji makes great film. But for your purposes, the built-in film contrast may have skewed the results. I was only suggesting that a medium contrast print film would be more sublte, let you see the real resolving power of both lenses. But maybe you're on to something; perhaps the Canon FD 1.8 required the film enhancements to operate well, while the Pentax FA did not like them? When it was readily avaialbe, I shot EKTAPRESS films almost exclusively, inlarge part because of its latitude but more because of its ability to render the skin of poeple of color more naturally. In addition, EKTAPRESS did wonders in suppressing specular highlights on dark skin. KODAK SUPRA, the worthy inheritor of its EKTAPRESS genes, has proven to be a superb film for rendering shadows. Not only that, SUPRA beat EKTAPRESS' record as an extremely well behaved film when scanned. In any case, I think I'll have to experiment not only with film, as per your suggestion, but also with my ZX-M's memory lock and exposure compensation features I'll try the same shots again with the M and the same Superia film, only this time I'll try bracketing shots with the EV compensation setting adjustments... To be sure I'd havw some EKTAPRESS, while I was in New York (24 days, five day trips to BH heaven). I bought all they had (or said they had) and laid in a comfortalbve supply of SUPRA 100 800, a little Portra 160 VC (another film you might give a try) and a host of gagdgets only BH has. It can't hurt to experiment with film or lenses. AS I read your first post on this, I took pity on the Canon because they iss no way it was going to beat the 50 f/1.4. (I just picked up a copy of the "Magic Lantern Guide" for the ZX-M and K-1000; should be able to learn some new stuff there, too...) REading is fun and addictive. Maic Lantern is a "refresher" tome. I read it to remind me of my shrinking but still numerous faults when shooting. Thanks for responding, Skip Be well, Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:28 AM Subject: Re: Comparing an FA 50mm 1.4 to an FD 50mm 1.8 In a message dated 1/15/01 11:37:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Pentax FA, on the other hand, is much sharper but the contrast is too much. Too bright on the windows, too dark in the interiors Keeping in mind you were shooting an "enhanced" print film, it would be interesting to know which lens more accurately reflected what *you* saw, as opposed to film results. Perhaps the film results would have been different had you used a Portra film for instance? Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Paypal scam
Hi, I have a paypal account and live in Australia, i didnt to give them any back account details. they credit my visa with about 5 cents and i have give them part of the code in my statement, with internet banking it took about 5 days. I havent had a problem with them at all, heaps better than sending a money order or using bidpay, which both cost heaps. From: "Rob Studdert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Paypal scam Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:34:49 +1000 On 16 Jan 2001, at 18:05, Allan wrote: You needen't give your bank account number unless you wish to become a "verified" seller. I use PayPal all the time and have never had a problem. This was not the case for purchasers using Paypal credit payment services from outside the USA when I last ventured there, they wanted faxed copies of the front and rear of the credit card from my recollection, as such I declined to pay by Paypal. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 Fax +61-2-9554-9259 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Manual focus
"Bill D. Casselberry" wrote: Easy - . All is Illusion!8^D We will have no religious talk in the PDML, Bill! -- JoMac, Imagineering Head Image * I * Nation, the creative division of RMG Services NW * * * JoMac's corollary to McKeown's Law: "The price of any used photographic gear is entirely dependent upon the moods of the buyer and the seller at the time of the transaction." - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
A Great Development
This evening I processed a roll of Agfapan APX 25 in Agfa Rodinal diluted 1:100. The scenes I shot were just about at the high contrast range that the film could handle. I metered the scenes carefully, using both a Pentax Spotmeter and the meter in the LX, so I knew exactly what the high, mid, and low end of the brightness range was in each scene. These are some beautiful negatives. They resonate, they have lots of shadow detail, and the highlights are right where they should be - even the brightest highlights had detail. However, apart from a 1:100 dilution, I utilized a couple of other techniques. First, I used minimal agitation, inverting and twisting the tank for only ten seconds every three minutes. This allows the developer to expire a little faster in bright highlight areas while still remaining active in the shadow areas of the negative. It also enhances accutance and sharpness through the formation of adjacency effects. Agfa Rodinal is one of several developers with which this technique works well. This technique does require extending development time substantially. The time was increased 50% over the 15 minutes used as the base time for standard agitation with a 1:100 dilution. These times were but starting points. Over the next few rolls I'll try to refine the time a bit. The other technique was to use a full liter of working solution to develop a single roll, rather than the more usual 250ml or so that a small, single reel tank holds. Although 250ml of working solution is adequate to develop a roll of 36exp 35mm film (80 square inches), according to several sources it may not be enough to develop a roll to its fullest potential. To quote Anchell in "The Film Developing Cookbook", "The amount of solution required to cover the films surface should not be confused with the amount of developer required to fully develop a roll of film." The results from using these techniques seem to be quite promising. These negs are startling in their tonality. I can't wait to print 'em! -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
And what role does corporate image / commitment play? Otis Wright Pl Jensen wrote: Tom wrote: It's been my opinion that corporations, for the most part, don't truly pay attention to their customers. Any company that don't pay attention to their customer goes quickly out of business. And I have been running a business. They may attempt to feel out the market (which they could gain far more info by analyzing own and competitor's sales than from listening in on the PDML). Primarily they listen to their stockholders and board members who for the most part don't give a damn what product they produce as long as it turns the biggest profit possible. If product doesn't please the customer it won't make any profit. Of course shareholders and other types of market research is important but if it fails to please the customers you're out of luck. In the instance of a fairly small niche group, who care whether they produce a new PZ-1/LX replacement, I think it'll rain on the parade. Well, they DID produce the Z-1p and it failed to be a sucess. Look at the PZ-1p. In many many respects it was a winner and competitively priced when produced, but the world didn't follow. Yes, and this is a good example of why you should do market research that tells as much as possible about what the customer wants. Pl As far as the ghettos go, it's probably more likely that a camera get stolen and pawned, than purchased. Tom C. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Wake up Bill, I've got to agree with Peter. I've looked at demographics in the USA professionally, and the USA is generally and specifically very rich. You could drop a McDonald's down in almost any neighborhood and have enough customers (400,000-500,000 per year) who can afford a $3.50 meal to make a hansome profit. Almost everybody has enough disposable income to afford to the luxury of spending on eating a meal away from home. This is not the case in the third world. As for camera sales, someone published a link to Japanese camera export figures here last year. If I remember correctly, exports divided roughly evenly with the most to the EU, 2nd to North America, and 3rd place to the rest of the world. Of course, this doesn't account for sales in Japan, but I suspect it is good sized. Based on this, I'd guess the Japanese pay attention to the home market first. The research and feedback is just plain easier to do. Mercedes and Range-Rover may pay attention to their email lists, but Pentax isn't selling items with a $40,000 to $60,000 price tag. They don't have the profits to keep up this kind of research. Regards, Bob S. Peter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Bill, I don't know what part of America you come from but I've traveled quite a bit both inside and outside the USA. No one here lives in anything approaching third world poverty. There may be some recent immigrants, mostly illegal living very poorly but most 'poor' people in the US own their own cars have air conditioning and enough food to become overweight. Poor people in most of the world have a hard time getting enough to eat, (you don't see many fat people in the poor sections of San Palo or just about any lower income area in Africa or South America. Someone making $20,000 to $40,000 a year, (more than 85% of the US population if I remembe correctly), is rich beyond the wildest dreams of the typical human being living outside North America, Western Europe and Japan. People in those circumstances can at least contemplate buying an expensive modern camera. --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Wake up Snipped content As you noted Pl, our numbers are smallish relative to the world's population but America's consumer purchasing power makes the real numbers nearly moot. Not true. The income disparity in the USA means that while the per capita income may seem to be very high (this is statistics at work), the fact is that there is a concentation of high income in a very small population group, making the USA a much smaller market than Mafud likes to think it is. A very large percentage of the population of the US lives in conditions approaching the poorest of the third world , while a very small percentage lives in genteel conditions. It is this monied gentry that buys the expensive consumer goods. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG
RE: Tele converter (again)
JUNK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of fredd Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 1:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tele converter (again) The info last week on tele converters made me look for them. On ebay are a few and one is a *Focal 2x multicoated teleconverter for Pentax* Any positive or negative info on this brand ? Thanks, fredd - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, visit http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
RE: new subscriber
I just answered my own question. I will try this as soon as I can. Has anyone tried it? Dan T http://www.tfkp.physik.uni-erlangen.de/~ralf/photo/PDML/FAQ-7.html -Original Message- From: Daniel Tokarczuk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: new subscriber Hi! I am new to the list. My compliments to everyone here; the level of discussion seems a lot more intelligent than some of the NG's I've visited (I know, I know, you never really know someone until you've lived with them a while G). I'm not a professional; I shoot slides (Elite or E100) of flowers, landscapes, travel, especially interested in macro. I use a PZ-1, a 500FTZ, Sigmas 17-35/2.8 EX, 28-70/2.8 EX, 105/2.8 EX, in the market for 70-210 and a 300. Anyway, two questions: there doesn't seem to be any paranoia about spammers scanning your email addresses; isn't it a possibility, especially with the archives on html? And, I've researched flash compensation for the PZ-1; it doesn't have it. Does anyone know a way to "fool" the PZ-1 (or any non-auto-flash-compensating camera) into reducing the amount of flash while retaining the ambient light without resorting to manual mode, figuring out the guide number, etc. Thanks, Dan T - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Slush
Snowfield wrote: If anyone wants an unopened AOL 5.0 CD, email me privately. I will mail it to the first person who asks for it. No!InterNational shipments of computer virii is surely a heinous crime and if they catch you the PUG will suffer!! ... ever considered skeet ?? !8^D I've read that if you hang the by a string, they're good for scaring away birds. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Comparing an FA 50mm 1.4 to an FD 50mm 1.8....
In a message dated 1/16/01 3:13:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps a more technical explanation from him is in order. "Enhanced" in that Fuji generally formulates their films (and I can't speak for *all* Fuji film since I don't shoot Fuji unless the clients insists), to enhance greens. Fuji film, on the Gamma correction scale, is "cool," hewing more to the Europeans standard while KODAK leans toward "warm," the American standard. Some photographers and marketers use "enhanced" and "saturated" interchangeably. I suggested Portra because it *is* a medium contrast film, as is Supra, neither of which can be considered "saturated" or "enhanced" films. Both films will dig out shadow details and tones most films might miss. A lens incapable of rendering shadow detail will be exposed for its shortcomings when shooting PORTRA or EKTAPRESS. Couple that lens with a film incapable of reproducing shadow detail and you have a hard time making decisions as to the capabilities of the lens. SUPRA 800 is superb in shots with a 3 to 4 stop difference in the viewfinder, shots most slide films can't touch. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
In a message dated 1/16/01 5:08:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree, most new products are released for this purpose, but how do you do this if you don't compete with the major players? "Ouch!" Otis! Perhaps Pentax has an answer for that question? A matter of curiosity: how much of a percentage of Pentax' yearly profit comes from 36mm SLR 35 and medium format camera sales, not to include PS. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: new Asahiflex!!!
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, SETH wrote: Does anyone have the adapter to use these 37mm lenses on a 42mm screw mount body? Failing that, any idea where I could find one? I want to put the tiny little 50/3.5 on my MZ-5n and see how it feels. :) I seem to recall that Stephen Gandy was selling these for a while. Check his site at http://www.cameraquest.com and send him an email. He may have a line on these. I know that he's got all kinds of adapters there. Thanks! I'll check out his site. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
In a message dated 1/16/01 6:22:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: using current generation AF gear, then its increasing from the mid 90's or so. This based on accelerating sales figures of the FA lenses by asuming this increase is also reflected in camera sales. Couldn't the increasing FA sales also reflect a strong aftermarket need? Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
In a message dated 1/16/01 6:08:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as the ghettos go, it's probably more likely that a camera get stolen and pawned, than purchased. I won't comment on the invidious tone of the comment above. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: new subscriber
Daniel Tokarczuk wrote regarding fill flash on a pz-1: I just answered my own question. I will try this as soon as I can. Has anyone tried it? Only about 1000 times. ;) Works great. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Super Program (Autofocus) Was: Wake up
Let's see: The Super Program (Autofocus): we'll add cross sensors to an upgraded Safox autofocus system (with an in-body sensor), upgrade the now powerful and reliable (3.5 fps) Motor "A(n)" to 5fps, design a 12 ounce NMHydroxide battery pack, and leave the rest of it just as it is. (maybe builld it out of magnesium/titanium and well sealed). Oh, and sell it for about $799. "Oh waiter, I'll have two of them!" Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
RE: Has any one seen this: MZ-S for sale at 999ukp.
I don't know if a picture of the MZ-S has been shared here, but given the plethora of messages crossing this system (and I probably missed it) I figured I'd share the info and picture I saw of the MZ-S I just stumbled across. My apologies if this is redundant to everyone. http://digilander.iol.it/aohc/photokina2000_1e.htm Have a great day, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Pl Jensen Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 5:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Has any one seen this: MZ-S for sale at 999ukp. Frank wrote: I don't know any more about this but here's the URL: http://members.nbci.com/leicastore/camerastore.html it advertises the "MZ-S Pro Body". Yes, we have seen it. The price is from their far east supplier. We don't know how final this price; maybe its a qualified guess? Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: new Asahiflex!!!
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mentioned "1954" for your IIB. Does it then have no cap over the empty hole where the IIA's slow-speed dial would have been located? (The second version of the IIB, from 1955-1957, had such a covering, distinguishing it from the contemporaneous IIA of 1955-1957.) I have neither a hole nor a cap where the slow speed dial would be, so I assume it's one of the earlier versions. I guess I should have said that the IIb was introduced in 1954, as I have no idea when mine is from. :) As an aside, I've always wondered about the numbering on the Asahiflex models - first the I, then the IA, then the IIB, and then the IIA. Weird. Yeah, go figure. :) Great! Yes, it does feel good in the hands. (Of course, the viewing is different from most Pentaxes, unless one is already used to one of the waist-level finders on an LX - g.) Argh! That waist-level finder is cool, but hard to use. Very frustrating. Simple little angle adjustments are almost impossible. It's something that I'm definitely going to have to get used to. They do look a little like the Limited lenses, I guess, but they seem to be "heavier" (more dense, actually) than the 43/1.9 which I has used. And, the focusing is a whole lot more "buttery" (instead of "whirry"). Yup, can't beat that buttery feeling. :) Does anyone have the adapter to use these 37mm lenses on a 42mm screw mount body? Failing that, any idea where I could find one? I want to put the tiny little 50/3.5 on my MZ-5n and see how it feels. :) I have one of these critters, but I do know that the place I bought it from had only one (at that time, anyway) - I know, 'cause I asked. I suspect that they're a little hard to come by, and probably priced rather high, too, considering that the ubiquitous M42-to-K-mount adapters go for 30-ish USD quite often. There's a seller on eBay who keeps trying to get $25 US for them, but people very rarely bite. We sell them brand new from Pentax for $25 CAN, so if you see them for $30+ that's a bit high. I e-mailed a guy who deals partly in adapters, and he said that he sold his last two a while ago for $150 US apiece. Whew... out of my league. I have a scanned print of the Asahi-Kogaku 58/2.4 on an LX, using the pair of adapters in tandem - http://www.cetussoft.com/pentax/5824ltd.jpg. I submitted the URL to the PDML once previously (a few months ago, I think), as a spoof of an alleged new chrome "FA 58/2.4 Limited" lens - g. I remember that one. Pretty good trick, too. :) Thanks for all the help, Fred. It's nice to know that other people share the addiction. There was an auction that just ended for a IIa with the 58/2.4. I wanted that one so badly, but it went to $305 US without meeting the reserve, and the shutter speeds might not be accurate. For about $25 less I got the IIb with both lenses. As a perfect complement, there's a IIa with the 58mm and 100mm lenses that just came up, but it's not in great shape and I'm sure it'll be very pricey by the time it ends. Ah well... all the more reason to love the one I have. :) Do you have any funky accessories for yours, like extension tubes, 5 fps drives, etc? *LOL* And I still cannot believe how gorgeous the ground glass is to look at. I wish the magnifier covered the entire screen, but the part that I *can* see looks even better than a slike... very three-dimensional. I'd love to have enough money to collect cameras, but for now I'm satisfied with getting the occasional hard-to-find piece and using it. For me, using it is most of the fun. Thanks again, Fred. Do you know of any clubs, mailing lists, or other cliquey things g for people who like the old pre-Spotmatic screw mount stuff? I still use AF when I feel like it, but there's certainly something to be said for the heft of a nice metal camera. :) chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
Pl Jensen writes: One of the standard one are the wish for digital back for the medium format systems. This is reported to the marketing people in Pentax Japan. That must be why the local Pentax rep was so keen to tell me the new digital body will accept 6x7 glass with an adaptor (as if you can't do the same with our existing 35mm bodies!). I think this will really help to sell the digital body in the pro market as there are a lot of 67's out there and having to buy 35mm-system lenses just for the digital body might have put a few people off. - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Anyone got a K2 owner's manual?
Robert P. VanNatta writes: I think you will like the K2---but setting the ASA is a dog sort of a design issue. When it works it works really well in my opinion. I have one K2 here where the spring that holds the locking tab is broken and that _is_ a dog to set. Something they don't make any more--- a camera that is fully functional (except for light meter) with a dead battery. On the K2 you only get three shutter speeds without the battery. B, 1/125(X) and 1/1000. BTW, a warning for the uninitiated: the light meter will not activate with the shutter set to B. It makes you think you have a dead battery :) - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
Pl Jensen writes: Then you have the potential of doing much better. All (at least most) wildy sucessful products (camera included) have been original designs different from the competition. Like Apple? :) (for the record, I really like the look of their stuff but I can't even afford to upgrade my PC yet, let alone buy a new G4) By making eg. a Nikon/Canon clone, the only thing you really achieve is preventing Pentax users to buy a Nikon/Canon. This can of course be good enough excuse. I believe this was what pretty much happen with the Z-1p; too similar to a Minolta or a Canon to really make an impact outside the Pentax camp. If your products only emulate the competition then you end up competing on price alone, which the customers love but by the time the sales chain takes their slices of the pie, the manufacturer gets screwed. Pentax can't afford to do this in the SLR market because their volumes are lower than N/C: unless they can win new customers with a good, unique product they'll just be shooting themselves in the foot. Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
RE: placed the order
At 10:35 AM 1/17/2001 +0900, you wrote: Tiger, Congratulations on your new purchase. If you didn't get the grip strap, try and find a place that might let you try it out. I find it really helps balance and relieves hand fatigue for the ring/pinky fingers... Cheers, I thought there was one out. What is the model number? Tiger Moses - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
Re: Wake up
Pl Jensen writes: I'm glad on the behalf of you americans who can afford a $3.50 meal. I wish I could find such a good deal over here. But then we pay the wokers at McDonald so well that they can afford a Pentax. Hell, I paid $7.50 at McDonald last time. How much you spend depends how much you eat there, but I get far better value-for-money (not to mention better food) from a local takeaway. I swore off McD's long ago. Bad food with far too much packaging. The place is a tribute to good marketing. At least Burger King have better decor :) [obligatory Pentax content: I wonder how many of the Marilyn Monroe posters were taken with Pentax gear?] Sure. Keeping an eye on e-mail will probably cripple them economically. I certainly wouldn't mind being paid to read PDML, especially while knowing all the secrets! Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Visit the PUG at http://pug.komkon.org.
