Re: SMC coating

2002-02-14 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Wednesday, February 13, 2002, at 11:27  PM, Butch Black wrote:

 Someone in one of their threads mentioned that Pentax's SMC coating was 
 as
 good or slightly better then Zeiss' T* coating. Are there any links or 
 sites
 that confirm that?

Well, as anecdotal evidence, a Hassy-totin' friend of mine and I had a 
medium format shootout at a Big Sugar concert in '99, him with his 'Blad 
and a recent 80mm lens, me with my Pentax 67 and its 105mm f2.4.  He 
consistently had flare, and I consistently did not have flare.  Not a 
lot of flare, mind you, but noticeable when compared to mine.

We were shooting from the same angles, same film, same exposure.  I was 
a little scared, because when I was loading film at one point during the 
show I saw the shutter curtain in my 67 vibrating.  I realized that I 
could feel the music through my 67 throughout the show.

Yikes!

I also shot some Technical Pan at that show, pushed the heck out of it, 
and ended up with images that looked like they were from an old 
newspaper -- totally black and totally white, with very little other 
tonality.  Neat stuff, since much of it was side-lighting.

Hrmm...I wonder where those negatives are?

-Aaron
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MZ-6 in Canada

2002-02-14 Thread Lawrence Kwan

The new Pentax MZ-6 is now listed at Henry's web site, though it is Not
in Stock.  The price is C$449; as a comparison, their price for MZ-7 is
C$399 and that for MZ-5n is C$599.  Not bad for value for just $50 more
than MZ-7.

Someone has just posted that the model will be called ZX-L in US.
Who makes the decision about all these confusing model names/numbers??
We now have to refer this camera as MZ-L/MZ-6/ZX-L just to make sure
everyone around the world knows which camera we are talking about

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Re: Grandfather Mountain Update

2002-02-14 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Brendan
Subject: Re: Grandfather Mountain Update


 Aaron, Frank I think we need to bug Pentax Canada to
 do something like this here.

Are you kidding? I couldn't get a response from Pentax Canada
when I was seeking a new host for the PUG, and I still haven't
recieved a response from them regarding the complete overhaul of
all three of my LX bodies.
I think Pentax Colorado took over PCI, then replaced all the
idiots in Colorado with smart people.

William Robb
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Re: Fuji Super HG 1600?

2002-02-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Tim asked:
 Has anyone out there used Fuji Super HG 1600? It looks like the fastest
 color print film out there, but also doesn't appear to be commonly
 available: none of my usual stores here in Portland stock it and BH has an
 inconsistent supply. Would it be just as easy to push Superia 800?

I used to use Super HG 1600.  Konica SR-G 3200 was faster.  AFAIK, 
the Konica has been discontinued, and the Fuji has been replaced
with Press 1600.  Super HG 1600 was somewhat grainy and a little
low-contrast -- it didn't really look like other Fuji films, but
when I needed the speed and couldn't afford the hard-to-find Konica...
(SR-G used to cost me 1.5-2x as much as Super HG.)

I shot some Fuji Press 1600 last Fall and just got it developed.
(I've got a lot of exposed film in the freezer, but this was of
my brother's wedding, so my mom said she'd pay for processing.)
Let's put it this way; if you push it to 3200 it starts to look
a bit like the old Super HG; Press 1600 pushed to 3200 gave me
better results than SR-G 3200 processed normally.  Later on I'll
look and see whether there was any Press 1600 exposed at 1600 and
processed normally in that batch to compare to Super HG processed
normally.

In the past, folks said to shoot Fuji Press 800 and push it to 1600
instead of using Super HG.  I'm not sure whether that's still the
case with Press 1600 on the scene.

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Re: MZ-6 in Canada

2002-02-14 Thread Bill Owens

What I can't figure is why all of the MZ series in the rest of the world are
called ZX here in the US, but the MZ-S shares the same designation
everywhere.

Bill  KG4LOV, WPRS983
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- Original Message -
From: Lawrence Kwan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 5:38 PM
Subject: MZ-6 in Canada


 The new Pentax MZ-6 is now listed at Henry's web site, though it is Not
 in Stock.  The price is C$449; as a comparison, their price for MZ-7 is
 C$399 and that for MZ-5n is C$599.  Not bad for value for just $50 more
 than MZ-7.

 Someone has just posted that the model will be called ZX-L in US.
 Who makes the decision about all these confusing model names/numbers??
 We now have to refer this camera as MZ-L/MZ-6/ZX-L just to make sure
 everyone around the world knows which camera we are talking about

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Re: Fuji Super HG 1600?

2002-02-14 Thread Bill Owens

I can't speak from experience, but I've heard that Superia 800 shot at 1600
and processed normally is better than straight HG1600.  Only a 1 stop
underexposure.  Just don't underexpose more than that.

Bill  KG4LOV, WPRS983
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- Original Message -
From: Timothy Sherburne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 5:29 PM
Subject: Fuji Super HG 1600?


 Hello all...

 Has anyone out there used Fuji Super HG 1600? It looks like the fastest
 color print film out there, but also doesn't appear to be commonly
 available: none of my usual stores here in Portland stock it and BH has
an
 inconsistent supply. Would it be just as easy to push Superia 800?

 Thanks,

 Tim
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Re[2]: Am I Really a Dinosaur?

2002-02-14 Thread Bruce Dayton

Boy, I gotta go with William on this.  For quite a while I had been
trying to procure and use the best optical quality lenses I could (for
Pentax) and use the finest grained films that I could to try and
improve the sharpness, clarity and tonal range of my pictures.  I
should have moved up to a larger format a few years ago.  I can say
that since I have finally taken the plunge, this is really fun! Almost
feels like the early days with my first MX.  And one look at the
negative/slide and wow! What a difference.

It is funny that as I look at the pictures stuck on the refrigerator
from friends and relatives, now I can even see the difference at 4X6
and smaller.  There is a bunch of stuff from PS, 35mm and MF.  It
really shows.


Bruce Dayton



Thursday, February 14, 2002, 2:35:00 PM, you wrote:

WR - Original Message -
WR From: Juan J. Buhler
WR Subject: Re: Am I Really a Dinosaur?



 Shel, I think we are on the same side of this. All I'm saying
WR is that
 as long as digital is not better than film, I'll use film (and
WR I'm
 sure Tri-X will be available at least until then). Afterwards,
WR my
 pictures can only improve.

WR Or, you could move upscale, and go to a larger negative.
WR I really think the whole I'll go digital when it is better than
WR projecting through a postage stamp concept is really silly,
WR considering 35mm is such a underwhelming format.
WR Its not like as if there is nothing better out there already, if
WR you are waiting for digital to be better than what you are using
WR now.

WR William Robb
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SV: Fuji Super HG 1600?

2002-02-14 Thread Emmanuel Ingelsten

the ppl at my local fuji-lab thinks that fuji 800 pushed one step performs better than 
fuji 1600.

/e-man

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Ämne: Fuji Super HG 1600?


 Hello all...
 
 Has anyone out there used Fuji Super HG 1600? It looks like the fastest
 color print film out there, but also doesn't appear to be commonly
 available: none of my usual stores here in Portland stock it and BH has an
 inconsistent supply. Would it be just as easy to push Superia 800?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Tim
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Re: Fuji Super HG 1600?

2002-02-14 Thread Scott Astin

Very true...but the new Superia 1600 is an excellent
film.  From the results Ive had, I would rather shoot
this, than Superia 800 underexposed a stop and
processed accordingly.  Contrast is good, Color is
great, and the Grain is superb!

Scott

--- Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I can't speak from experience, but I've heard that
 Superia 800 shot at 1600
 and processed normally is better than straight
 HG1600.  Only a 1 stop
 underexposure.  Just don't underexpose more than
 that.
 
 Bill  KG4LOV, WPRS983
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Timothy Sherburne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Pentax Discussion List
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 5:29 PM
 Subject: Fuji Super HG 1600?
 
 
  Hello all...
 
  Has anyone out there used Fuji Super HG 1600? It
 looks like the fastest
  color print film out there, but also doesn't
 appear to be commonly
  available: none of my usual stores here in
 Portland stock it and BH has
 an
  inconsistent supply. Would it be just as easy to
 push Superia 800?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Tim
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Re: Jean Baudrillard (WAS: Re: Digital grain ?)

2002-02-14 Thread Timothy Sherburne

I've struggled through an English translation of Simulacra and Simulation;
his ideas are amazing (the Persian Gulf war did not happen...). I wonder
what kind of person he is day-to-day...

I can see how his philosophical inquiries relate to photography: what
happens when we make images that are better than reality? What happens when
we appreciate the simulation more than the real? Isn't that the goal of
photography? Hmmm... Must drink more wine first...

t

On 2/14/02 2:34 PM, Gianfranco Irlanda wrote:

 May I suggest 'For a Critique of the Political Economy of the
 Sign' and 'Simulacra and Simulations'?
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Re: Am I Really a Dinosaur?

2002-02-14 Thread Rfsindg

Bill,

You and Aaron have got to stop it!  I am just getting to the point where I have a 
complete set of 35mm lenses and you guys keep trying to enable me into starting again 
in the 6x7 format.  g

(And by the way, I bought a picture from a local camera club exhibition.  A 6x7 Macro 
photo of Crocus blooming in the spring.  Really neat and impressive for the depth of 
field and sharpness.)

Regards,  Bob S.

Bill wrote:
 Or, you could move upscale, and go to a larger
 negative.  I really think the whole I'll go
 digital when it is better than projecting
 through a postage stamp concept is really
 silly, considering 35mm is such a
 underwhelming format.
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Re: Am I Really a Dinosaur?

2002-02-14 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Sure, a bigger neg will yield higher quality, but at the cost of
flexibility, portability, convenience, stealth, and so on.  Those of you
who shoot pretty flowers and landscapes, and subjects that don't move,
can easily use and benefit from a larger format.  However, for much of
what Juan does, and what I do, the 35mm format is just about ideal. 
There are few, if any, medium format cameras that will allow the kind of
shooting I'm describing.

Bruce Dayton wrote:
 
 Boy, I gotta go with William on this.  For quite a while I had been
 trying to procure and use the best optical quality lenses I could (for
 Pentax) and use the finest grained films that I could to try and
 improve the sharpness, clarity and tonal range of my pictures.  I
 should have moved up to a larger format a few years ago.  I can say
 that since I have finally taken the plunge, this is really fun! Almost
 feels like the early days with my first MX.  And one look at the
 negative/slide and wow! What a difference.
 
 It is funny that as I look at the pictures stuck on the refrigerator
 from friends and relatives, now I can even see the difference at 4X6
 and smaller.  There is a bunch of stuff from PS, 35mm and MF.  It
 really shows.

-- 
Shel Belinkoff
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Re: Fuji Super HG 1600?

2002-02-14 Thread Nick Wright

I've used the hg 1600 and I've also pushed Fuji Press
800 to both 1600 and 3200. The biggest advantage of
the HG1600 (for me) was that I could get it processed
at a regular hour lab. But since I now have my own c41
setup I can push the 800 very easily. I ~really~ like
Fuji Press 800, color and grain are very good when
rated at 1600 and also still acceptable at 3200 though
pretty noticable. I'll try to scan some examples if
you'd like, don't think I have any on computer now.

Nick

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Tim asked:
  Has anyone out there used Fuji Super HG 1600? It
 looks like the fastest
  color print film out there, but also doesn't
 appear to be commonly
  available: none of my usual stores here in
 Portland stock it and BH has an
  inconsistent supply. Would it be just as easy to
 push Superia 800?
 
 I used to use Super HG 1600.  Konica SR-G 3200 was
 faster.  AFAIK, 
 the Konica has been discontinued, and the Fuji has
 been replaced
 with Press 1600.  Super HG 1600 was somewhat grainy
 and a little
 low-contrast -- it didn't really look like other
 Fuji films, but
 when I needed the speed and couldn't afford the
 hard-to-find Konica...
 (SR-G used to cost me 1.5-2x as much as Super HG.)
 
 I shot some Fuji Press 1600 last Fall and just got
 it developed.
 (I've got a lot of exposed film in the freezer, but
 this was of
 my brother's wedding, so my mom said she'd pay for
 processing.)
 Let's put it this way; if you push it to 3200 it
 starts to look
 a bit like the old Super HG; Press 1600 pushed to
 3200 gave me
 better results than SR-G 3200 processed normally. 
 Later on I'll
 look and see whether there was any Press 1600
 exposed at 1600 and
 processed normally in that batch to compare to Super
 HG processed
 normally.
 
 In the past, folks said to shoot Fuji Press 800 and
 push it to 1600
 instead of using Super HG.  I'm not sure whether
 that's still the
 case with Press 1600 on the scene.
 
   -- Glenn
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Re: OT:Thanks to the list

2002-02-14 Thread Rfsindg

RK,

My condolences on your Dad's passing.  Your story has me thinking on my Dad, my Uncle 
(his bachelor brother who died last Jan 11th), and my own photos.

My Dad and Uncle were pretty buttoned-up about their feelings.  I find myself looking 
back at my Dad's photos for clues to his life.  I am particularly eager to locate my 
Uncle's 35mm photos for some of the same perspective.

Personally, I have saved 23 years of my family photos, Kodachromes and prints, 
everything but the obvious technical faults.  Perhaps someday I will have the time to 
scan and organize the best of them for my children.  But even without this, I see it 
as a legacy for the kids to look thru some day and see the world from my view.  I hope 
they will see the joy they brought me with their growing up.

Meanwhile, I have to find the shot of my Uncle from Thanksgiving.  I had the A85/1.4 
on the PZ-1 and might even have been using flash (bounced).  I remember thinking when 
the slides came back - 'Wow, that's a nice shot.'  Now if I can just put my hands on 
it...

Regards,  Bob S.
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Digital BW

2002-02-14 Thread Shel Belinkoff

The Kodak 760M monochrome digital camera was mentioned here a few days
ago.  Does anyone else make a similar camera - one dedicated to BW
photography?
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Pentax fast glass?

2002-02-14 Thread Marcus

Hello, I recently have been looking for a new 35mm
system. I need fast lenses for shooting mostly wide
aperture and almost exclusively hand held with
Kodachrome 64 and 200, while traveling. So I need
lenses that are relatively sharp wide open. My first
choice would be 35mm f2 Summicron and 90mm f2.8
Tele-Elmarit, but I can not afford even used Leica
gear.

In the past I had a Pentax Spotmatic SP and I really
enjoyed it. Now I have been looking at Pentax gear
because I think it is very undervalued and the lenses
have great coatings. But I am finding that while most
lenses are inexpensive, the ones that would best serve
my needs cost as much or more than the competition. 

So while we can all agree that Pentax makes great
stuff, can anyone tell me if my money will truly be
spent best on Pentax or should I keep looking?

In Pentax I would like: Two MX bodies, M 28mm f2, A
50mm f1.4, and K 85mm f1.8. 

I can not even find the 28mm f2 except for at BH used
for $375. The 85mm is pretty hard to find to and I
think at least that much money. 

Now from Nikon, while I prefer the MX, there is the
FM2, the 35mm f1.4, 85mm f2, and even a 24mm f2. These
are all readily available on the used market, and the
prices are not driven up so much by collectors, which
I believe is the case with the Pentax lenses. 

Can anyone comment directly on the comparative
performance of these lenses, or offer any advice?

Thanks in advance,
Marcus 
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Re[2]: Am I Really a Dinosaur?

2002-02-14 Thread Bruce Dayton

Shel,

You bring up a good point.  Each format has strengths and weaknesses.
You obviously have to balance them to be able to create the pictures
that you desire.  I am not abandoning 35mm, just trying to use it only
when MF's weaknesses outweigh it's strengths for a given situation.

Juan's posting made us see the weaknesses of 35mm without weighing
against it's strengths.  So I, and I'm sure others, used our own
experiences to fill in and felt that a larger format would answer his
issues.  I can now see that it would address his issues but perhaps
create even bigger problems than it solves.


Bruce Dayton



Thursday, February 14, 2002, 3:23:06 PM, you wrote:

SB Sure, a bigger neg will yield higher quality, but at the cost of
SB flexibility, portability, convenience, stealth, and so on.  Those of you
SB who shoot pretty flowers and landscapes, and subjects that don't move,
SB can easily use and benefit from a larger format.  However, for much of
SB what Juan does, and what I do, the 35mm format is just about ideal. 
SB There are few, if any, medium format cameras that will allow the kind of
SB shooting I'm describing.

SB Bruce Dayton wrote:
 
 Boy, I gotta go with William on this.  For quite a while I had been
 trying to procure and use the best optical quality lenses I could (for
 Pentax) and use the finest grained films that I could to try and
 improve the sharpness, clarity and tonal range of my pictures.  I
 should have moved up to a larger format a few years ago.  I can say
 that since I have finally taken the plunge, this is really fun! Almost
 feels like the early days with my first MX.  And one look at the
 negative/slide and wow! What a difference.
 
 It is funny that as I look at the pictures stuck on the refrigerator
 from friends and relatives, now I can even see the difference at 4X6
 and smaller.  There is a bunch of stuff from PS, 35mm and MF.  It
 really shows.
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Re: Am I Really a Dinosaur?

2002-02-14 Thread Bill Owens

 Bill,

 You and Aaron have got to stop it!  I am just getting to the point where I
have a complete set of 35mm lenses and you guys keep trying to enable me
into starting again in the 6x7 format.  g

You're lucky.  I did it to myself when I got the Yashica Mat 124.  I'm so
impressed with that big negative that now I'm lusting for a 645.

Bill  KG4LOV, WPRS983
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Re: Fuji Super HG 1600?

2002-02-14 Thread Timothy Sherburne

Hmmm...

You all have listed several Fuji films that may do the job, but are they
really different? I'm beginning to sense a marketing nightmare here.

BH lists CU Fujicolor 1600 which should be Fuji Press 1600, but the
picture is for Fuji Super HG 1600. Adorama also lists Fuji Press 1600.
Neither website lists Fuji Superia 1600, which is listed on Fuji's website.
Fuji's website lists Press 1600 and Superia 1600, but not Super HG 1600,
which must be discontinued.

Even more confusing: It appears that Press and Superia use the same two
letter codes, e.g. CZ == Press 800 and CZ == Superia 800. Same film? I'm
sure someone will state that there is a difference.

Maybe I'll just use a digital camera instead. ;)

t
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Re: Pentax fast glass?

2002-02-14 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Hi Marcus ...

Truth is, much of the Pentax fast glass pales in comparison to the
Leica lenses when used at wide apertures.  Likewise the Nikon lenses. I
also don't think you'll be saving much money by buying fast Pentax
lenses.

For example, unless you've got a lot of time to hunt around for a
bargain, the manual focus 85mm lenses from Pentax will run from about
$500.00 to $1,000.00.  An excellent quality Leica 90mm will fall
somewhere in between.  You get sharper images at wider apertures,
smaller lenses, and a quieter system.

Moving to 35mm, the 35mm/2.0 is not too easy to find, and doesn't really
start producing high quality images until it's stopped down quite a bit,
and is huge, making hand-held shooting a problem for some people.  OTOH,
the pre-ASPH 35mm Summicron, which is not much bigger than a Pentax rear
lens cap, will cost a little more, maybe as much as $600.00 or more
depending on condition, but offers far better results at wider
apertures.

The M28/2.0 is a weak performer until the mid-apertures, and the
slightly better A28/2.0 isn't a lot better.

If Leica prices are still too high, you might want to consider the
Cosina-Voigtlander lenses.  They are small, light, optically excellent
(many die-hard Leica users swear by them), fast, and they can be used on
both Leica M (with an adapter) and screw-mount bodies, as well as the
less expensive Voigtlander bodies, giving you a lot of flexibility now
and down the line.

http://www.cosina.com/Voigtlander.htm
http://www.cosina.com/lenses.htm

Marcus wrote:
 
 Hello, I recently have been looking for a new 35mm
 system. I need fast lenses for shooting mostly wide
 aperture and almost exclusively hand held with
 Kodachrome 64 and 200, while traveling. So I need
 lenses that are relatively sharp wide open. My first
 choice would be 35mm f2 Summicron and 90mm f2.8
 Tele-Elmarit, but I can not afford even used Leica
 gear.
 
 In the past I had a Pentax Spotmatic SP and I really
 enjoyed it. Now I have been looking at Pentax gear
 because I think it is very undervalued and the lenses
 have great coatings. But I am finding that while most
 lenses are inexpensive, the ones that would best serve
 my needs cost as much or more than the competition.
 
 So while we can all agree that Pentax makes great
 stuff, can anyone tell me if my money will truly be
 spent best on Pentax or should I keep looking?
 
 In Pentax I would like: Two MX bodies, M 28mm f2, A
 50mm f1.4, and K 85mm f1.8.
 
 I can not even find the 28mm f2 except for at BH used
 for $375. The 85mm is pretty hard to find to and I
 think at least that much money.
 
 Now from Nikon, while I prefer the MX, there is the
 FM2, the 35mm f1.4, 85mm f2, and even a 24mm f2. These
 are all readily available on the used market, and the
 prices are not driven up so much by collectors, which
 I believe is the case with the Pentax lenses.
 
 Can anyone comment directly on the comparative
 performance of these lenses, or offer any advice?

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Re: Pentax fast glass?

2002-02-14 Thread Shel Belinkoff

I forgot this URL:

http://www.cameraquest.com/voigtlen.htm

Marcus wrote:
 
 Hello, I recently have been looking for a new 35mm
 system. I need fast lenses for shooting mostly wide
 aperture and almost exclusively hand held with
 Kodachrome 64 and 200, while traveling. So I need
 lenses that are relatively sharp wide open. My first
 choice would be 35mm f2 Summicron and 90mm f2.8
 Tele-Elmarit, but I can not afford even used Leica
 gear.

-- 
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Re: Pentax fast glass?

2002-02-14 Thread Stan Halpin

Marcus - I keep hearing rumors about mysterious collectors but I tend to
discount them. In most areas of endeavor, collectors are attracted by Mint
or near Mint items, and particularly Rare Mint items. [Like the 40mm
pancake lens.] I suppose that the K 85mm 1.8 may be rare on the market,
(which accounts for the $500+ market price they have been getting) but that
is just because it is so good that most owners won't put them up for sale. I
imagine a pretty good run of them was produced. And I imagine most were and
are still used as lenses, not as trophies in a collection.

Millions of Susan B Anthony dollars were minted. Many more millions of the
Saka...whosits dollar have been minted. You won't often see them out in
usual commerce, but that doesn't make them rare.

The lenses you mention are all very good. They have the advantage that they
work as well with the newest Pentax MZ-S as with the older bodies. So why
would anybody sell? There is very little if any upgrade possible from
these lenses at these focal lengths within the Pentax line unless you
specifically need auto-focus.

All things come to he who waits. If you want a good system, wait. And watch.
And save up you cash, because you will probably need to pay full value for
these lenses.

Stan

 From: Marcus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Pentax fast glass?
 
. . . Now I have been looking at Pentax gear
 because I think it is very undervalued and the lenses
 have great coatings. But I am finding that while most
 lenses are inexpensive, the ones that would best serve
 my needs cost as much or more than the competition.
 
 So while we can all agree that Pentax makes great
 stuff, can anyone tell me if my money will truly be
 spent best on Pentax or should I keep looking?
 
 In Pentax I would like: Two MX bodies, M 28mm f2, A
 50mm f1.4, and K 85mm f1.8.
 
 I can not even find the 28mm f2 except for at BH used
 for $375. The 85mm is pretty hard to find to and I
 think at least that much money.
 
 Now from Nikon, while I prefer the MX, there is the
 FM2, the 35mm f1.4, 85mm f2, and even a 24mm f2. These
 are all readily available on the used market, and the
 prices are not driven up so much by collectors, which
 I believe is the case with the Pentax lenses.
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Re: Am I Really a Dinosaur?

2002-02-14 Thread Doug Franklin

Hi Peter,

On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:32:55 -0500, Peter Alling wrote:

 I know.  Old movie stock from the early days until sometime in the
 1940's was shot on [cellulose nitrate film base].  Surprising that
 some old movie storage vaults didn't actually disappear with loud
 reports.

Well, AFAIK, they didn't go up with a report, but quite a few movie
storage vaults did burn up during the 1930's, 1940s, and 1950s.  A lot
of the really early films, like silent movies and early talkies were
destroyed to the last copy, I understand.

 (And it was hardly smokeless).

Only smokeless as compared to black powder, but you probably knew
that. :-)

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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Re: Am I Really a Dinosaur?

2002-02-14 Thread Juan J. Buhler

On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, William Robb wrote:

 Or, you could move upscale, and go to a larger negative.
 I really think the whole I'll go digital when it is better than
 projecting through a postage stamp concept is really silly,
 considering 35mm is such a underwhelming format.
 Its not like as if there is nothing better out there already, if
 you are waiting for digital to be better than what you are using
 now.

I'm not waiting for digital to improve on 35mm. When it happens, it
will probably mean that 35mm will start to go away.

As Shel said, I use 35mm because of size, stealth and convenience.
I've been tempted to borrow a 67 and go streetshooting with it
though...

j


PS: One of the pictures in my show was taken on a 6x6 negative (and
cropped, the picture was rectangular). Shel was very quick to figure
which one it was, even though the camera was a cheap Russian Lubitel
TLR. So much for my fine Pentax and Leica 35mm lenses...

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Scala Mailers

2002-02-14 Thread Shel Belinkoff

A few days ago someone was asking about getting Scala processed on the
east coast.  This evening I discovered a few pre-paid processing mailers
hidden in the back of a drawer.  If anyone's interested in these, give
me a shout off list.  I'll sell 'em for a good price.
-- 
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Pentax fast glass?

2002-02-14 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

No doubt, Pentax's fast glass is often out of reach to someone on a budget. 
My advice is to seriously consider Konica. They made an outstanding 85/1.8 
and various fine, fast wide angles that can be had for a fraction of the 
Pentax price. Ditto for third-party lenses in Konica mount, such as the 
outstanding Vivitar Series 1 135/2.3.

You can also get a Pentax SLR and equip it with sharp third-party lenses. 
All the 90mm macros are very sharp, though admittedly the fastest is no 
faster than f/2.5. There are no readily available third-party K-mount 
35/2s; Vivitar made a fine 35/1.9 but I've seen only one specimen in K 
mount in four years. At f/2, the sharpest Pentax 35/2 is probably the FA 
(autofocus), followed by the original, scarce K (SMC). Each goes for about 
$200 to $250 used.

For a fast 28 for less than $150, go for the Vivitar 28/2 Close Focus (55mm 
filter).

However, as Shel recently pointed out, the drawback to using third-party 
lenses is that they yield different color casts, their flare resistance is 
usually not up to Pentax's gold standard, and they sometime focus the 
wrong way.



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Re: 32iso B/W film

2002-02-14 Thread LEDMRVM

In a message dated 2/14/2002 8:54:11 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 Whilst having a look around Fuji Films japanese site, i came across a B/W
 film called Neopan F which is 32iso.
 

I bought a brick of Neopan F in Japan two years ago. It has very fine grain.

Ed M.
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Pentax a best ever prime lens at Pop?

2002-02-14 Thread Maggie Che

I just happened to pause at a newsstand long enough to note that:

(1) The cover of the new Popular Photography features something like we 
test the 3 best prime lenses ever
(2) The inside cover indicates that the lens test section is the article 
indicated on the cover
(3) Unless I missed something, the only three prime lenses tested in that 
issue are the new 45mm from Nikon, a new 50 from Voightlander (?), and the 
new 31mm Limited lens from Pentax.

Brian Walsh 
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Re: New Pentax

2002-02-14 Thread Bgpentax

In a message dated 2/14/2002 4:32:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 I saw the new Pentax SLR today. The one that is called an MX-6 in the rest
 of the world. Here in the US of A they are calling it the ZX-L. It looks
 very much like the ZX-7.
 

  Whats' she got ??
   Regards,
 Bob
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Re: Pentax fast glass?

2002-02-14 Thread Shel Belinkoff

The problem comes when using these lenses wide open, as the original
poster is interested in doing.  Very few SLR lenses are sharp across the
entire image area at wide apertures, and light falloff can sometimes be
quite noticeable.  What's the sense of paying for fast glass if the
first couple of apertures don't yield good results.  Of course, if one's
only interested in the center portion of the frame, one may argue that
the results are acceptable.

For example, there's a very thorough test of the A28/2.0 by Joachim Hein

http://phred.org/pentax/lensgal/a28_2/a28_2.html

and the quality of the images are clearly inferior until f5.6 is
reached.

Some of Fred Wasti's tests confirm the generalization re: light falloff
and sharpness of even some legendary lenses from Pentax.  I've seen
similar results from Zeiss, Tokina, Nikon, and Zuiko glass.

If your objective is just to capture an image in low light, all these
lenses will work, and will get you through times of darkness better than
slower lenses. But, if the objective is to capture a high quality image,
then these lenses may well be dismal failures at wider apertures.  

All lenses, even Leica lenses, suffer from lower quality at wide
apertures, but recent Leica glass suffers less than any SLR lenses I've
come across.  This means that, although expensive, you actually get more
of what you're paying for, as the lenses are more useable when used wide
open.  Of course, there are some dogs in the Leica kennel as well g.

Paul F. Stregevsky wrote:
 
 No doubt, Pentax's fast glass is often out of reach to someone on a budget.
 My advice is to seriously consider Konica. They made an outstanding 85/1.8
 and various fine, fast wide angles that can be had for a fraction of the
 Pentax price. Ditto for third-party lenses in Konica mount, such as the
 outstanding Vivitar Series 1 135/2.3.
 
 You can also get a Pentax SLR and equip it with sharp third-party lenses.
 All the 90mm macros are very sharp, though admittedly the fastest is no
 faster than f/2.5. There are no readily available third-party K-mount
 35/2s; Vivitar made a fine 35/1.9 but I've seen only one specimen in K
 mount in four years. At f/2, the sharpest Pentax 35/2 is probably the FA
 (autofocus), followed by the original, scarce K (SMC). Each goes for about
 $200 to $250 used.
 
 For a fast 28 for less than $150, go for the Vivitar 28/2 Close Focus (55mm
 filter).
 
 However, as Shel recently pointed out, the drawback to using third-party
 lenses is that they yield different color casts, their flare resistance is
 usually not up to Pentax's gold standard, and they sometime focus the
 wrong way.

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PDML Members WebSite Updated.

2002-02-14 Thread Paul Jones

Hi,

The PDML Members web site has been updated.

the url is:
http://www.nrg666.com/pdml

If any one wants their web site added, then let me know off list.

The site had 651 hits in January.

Regards,
Paul Jones
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Re: Pentax a best ever prime lens at Pop?

2002-02-14 Thread Paul Jones

Hi,

I think the Voigtlander lense would be the new 50/3.5 Collapsible heliar.

Paul
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From: Maggie Che [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 2:10 PM
Subject: Pentax a best ever prime lens at Pop?


 I just happened to pause at a newsstand long enough to note that:

 (1) The cover of the new Popular Photography features something like we
 test the 3 best prime lenses ever
 (2) The inside cover indicates that the lens test section is the article
 indicated on the cover
 (3) Unless I missed something, the only three prime lenses tested in that
 issue are the new 45mm from Nikon, a new 50 from Voightlander (?), and the
 new 31mm Limited lens from Pentax.

 Brian Walsh
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Re: SMC coating

2002-02-14 Thread wendy beard

At 14:05 14-2-2002 -0500, you wrote:
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SMC coating

Rob Studdert has a photo taken with the A16/2.8 fisheye that I like
quite a bit, so much so that I've put a copy on my site so I can easily
view it every now and then.  It's a snow-covered scenic shot directly
into the sun, and the absence of flare is quite surprising.

http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/temp/robs-snow-photo.html

Brilliant photo.
(Wish I could scan my snow photos and have them come out white)

Wendy

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Re: Grandfather Mountain Update

2002-02-14 Thread Doug Brewer

Of course, we all know =why= the place was packed last year.

Yep. They thought I was Tony Sweet.

heh heh heh



At 4:52 PM -05002/14/02, Bill Owens  wrote, or at least typed:
Absolutely correct.  The auditorium has 165 seats and nearly all were full
last year.  The PDML events this year are being coordinated by several
PDML'ers and the local Pentax rep has graciously accepted a request to meet
with us at a time that is convienient for him.

Bill  KG4LOV, WPRS983
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Your opinion on these lenses

2002-02-14 Thread Butch Black

Hi;

I think I've made up my mind on what to look for. I'm thinking of a 28 3.5
smcp, 135 3.5 smcp, and a 200 4.0 smcp, all either K's or M's. Anyone who
has had any of those lenses, your feedback would be appreciated. Also, how
similar is the 200 4.0 M  to the older 200 4 screwmount super takumar, a
lens which I used and liked for many years with my spotmatic.

Butch
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Re: Pentax fast glass?

2002-02-14 Thread Marcus

Firstly, thank-you all very much for the advice and
very helpful information you have offered.

My _tentative_ choice of 50mm f1.4 A over M is based
solely on my interpretation of Mr Yoshihiko statement:
 
Yoshihiko - A is not optically identical to M.

The optical design of Pentax 50/1.4 lens was slightly
changed mainly for better resolution in corners, I
heard, when A50/1.4 was introduced. That means there
are two different optics in Pentax 50/1.4 lenses; one
is K and M, the other is A, F and FA. My own
experiences support it. My lens resolution test result
also seems to prove it . . .

I would prefer A to M based on my own experiences
of the two 50/1.4 optics. Just my opinion.
  --
Mr Yoshihiko's resolution tests clearly favor the Fa
over the K versions of 50mm f1.4 lenses. Assuming the
accuracy of the above statements, this would also
apply to the A and M versions as well. Frederick
Wasti's tests would appear to back this up as well.
And I should point out that my main goal here is wide
aperture performance.

As for the Voigtlander lenses, I am certain that
Cosina has made some great lenses in the new
Voigtlander lineup. But I have serious doubts about
the long term reliability of the Bessa R body and I am
concerned about the accuracy of it's short base
rangefinder. I think I would prefer to by a well worn
Leica M5, if it comes to that. I am keeping my eye on
that new Bessa T however. 
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Re: Am I Really a Dinosaur?

2002-02-14 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: Re: Am I Really a Dinosaur?


 Sure, a bigger neg will yield higher quality, but at the cost
of
 flexibility, portability, convenience, stealth, and so on.
Those of you
 who shoot pretty flowers and landscapes, and subjects that
don't move,
 can easily use and benefit from a larger format.  However, for
much of
 what Juan does, and what I do, the 35mm format is just about
ideal.
 There are few, if any, medium format cameras that will allow
the kind of
 shooting I'm describing.

Yes but Shel, all you need is for one to do it as well, or even
nearly as well, as a small format camera. A camera like a
Hasselblad 501CM, used at waist level would be quite
inconspicuous.
My friend with the Hasselblad travels frequenty to Greece, where
he does wonderful street photography.
The Plaubel 6x7 http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/plaubel.htm is
remarkably small, though apparently not as reliable as it could
be.
The Mamiya 6 and 7 are both very compact also.

Consider also, I could walk into a crowd with a small Leica, and
stand out like a sore thumb, because that kind of photography is
not what I do well. I think most of it is the photographer and
how he works, much more so than the equipment. I bet you could
do what you do with a Mamiya 7, almost all the time.
(I am trying to enable you, BTW)

William Robb
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Re: Am I Really a Dinosaur?

2002-02-14 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Bob Sullivan

Subject: Re: Am I Really a Dinosaur?


 Bill,

 You and Aaron have got to stop it!  I am just getting to the
point where I have a complete set of 35mm lenses and you guys
keep trying to enable me into starting again in the 6x7 format.
g

No!!! I will never stop I will enable you all until you have
all bought medium format cameras!!

William Robb
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Re: Am I Really a Dinosaur?

2002-02-14 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Juan J. Buhler




 I'm not waiting for digital to improve on 35mm. When it
happens, it
 will probably mean that 35mm will start to go away.

Such irony, if you want to keep using film, you will have to
move to medium format because of the death of 35mm
filmG

 As Shel said, I use 35mm because of size, stealth and
convenience.
 I've been tempted to borrow a 67 and go streetshooting with it
 though...

Do it!!! But choose the right one. Some of them are only good
for noisy streets. Actually, the Pentax 6x7 with the waist level
finder is a not bad camera, except the damned lenses are sort of
hard to miss.

 j


 PS: One of the pictures in my show was taken on a 6x6 negative
(and
 cropped, the picture was rectangular). Shel was very quick to
figure
 which one it was, even though the camera was a cheap Russian
Lubitel
 TLR. So much for my fine Pentax and Leica 35mm lenses...

HAR!!

William Robb
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Re: Aperture Blades on Different Lenses

2002-02-14 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Robert Woerner 
Subject: Aperture Blades on Different Lenses


 Does anyone know why the aperture blades are oriented
differently on
 different Pentax lenses?  I was cleaning my M 50mm f1.4 and my
FA 50mm f1.4
 and noticed this today.  On the M lens the tips of the blades
face forward
 and the iris diaphragm appears smooth when viewed from the
rear.  The FA
 lens is exactly the opposite. I  hope this is an adequate
description of my
 observation.

You should see the shape of the aperture on the bellows 100mm
lens. It is a really odd shape at middle apertures, and give an
intersting bokeh effect. I will post a couple of pictures at
some point.

William Robb
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Re: Enlarger Lens Coverage

2002-02-14 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Collin Brendemuehl
Subject: OT: Enlarger Lens Coverage


 Good news.
 The Fujinon 105/5.6 EP enlarging lens
 covers all but the very tips of a 4x5.
 Great lens.  Great contrast.

Aren't the Fujinons nice? I have both 50mm and 80mm Fujinons.
The 80mm covers the 6x7 negative quite nicely, and even the 50
is not too shy of covering it. I think it might cover the 645
format.
They are specatularly sharp and contrasty right to the edges as
well. Much more so that my Rodenstocks of the same focal
lengths.

William Robb
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Re: Grandfather Mountain Update

2002-02-14 Thread Bill Owens

Doug List Guy Brewer has scribbled:

 Of course, we all know =why= the place was packed last year.
 
 Yep. They thought I was Tony Sweet.

But most of us know better.

BTW, maybe we can slip over to Banner Elk again this year.

Bill  KG4LOV, WPRS983
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Has anyone ever seen a RIGHT ANGLE LENS?

2002-02-14 Thread gabriel bovino

Hey everyone,
A friend of mine (actually my girlfriend's friend) just came back from
California and paid us a visit.  His uncle gave him a lot of his photographic
equipment (*ikon... no Pentax unfortunately).  Anyways, stowed away in his
newly acquired treasure... he found a right angle lens, for lack of better
words.

It was a lens, or what looked liked a lens to the common eye, with a large
circular hole on the side of the rotatable lens barrel.  Within the hole, or
missing circular portion of the barrel, was a mirror angled at 45 degrees with
respect to the mount.

Within about 30 seconds we figured out what it was used for taking
pictures of people without them knowing, good for street photography or candid
shots.  You can basically screw it onto your current lens (52mm), point the
camera 90 degrees away from the person like your taking an interesting shot of
something else, wait for them to look at the person with the weird lens
attached to their camera, and presto... you've got a picture of someone
without them knowing about it or wanting to kick your $% for doing so.

So my real question is... what is this accessory called and where the heck can
I buy one?  I looked on EBay but couldn't find anything.

Gabe
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re: Pentax 85mm f1.8 spotted...

2002-02-14 Thread Bmacrae

And NOT on eBay...go figure...


At http://www.vintagevisuals.com

look under PENTAX...(what else)

The want $275 for it.

Interestingly, most of their stuff is listed in Canadian Dollars...but not 
this one?

If it IS in CD's that would be about $175 US...I'd say that's a deal.

I can't remember if I've ever purchased anythjing from these guys so I can't 
vouch for them.

Thought I'd throw it out there.

Everyone keeps saying what a great lens this is.

Go get it!

Brendan MacRae
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RE: Am I Really a Dinosaur?

2002-02-14 Thread Zachariah Yeidel

Power consumption, perhaps, although there are some impressive strides being
made in lithium-ion battery technology as well as portable methane-powered
fuel cells (no joke!) for laptops.  Heat dissipation will be (and is) less
of an issue as digital cameras are focused (hah!  Punny!) more on capture
and temporary storage than image modification or manipulation.  My original,
not-too-terribly-well-articulated point is that the ferocious pace of
technological advancement promises to bring all of those specs well within
reach in a very short period of time, using the advancement of CPU, RAM and
HD technologies as my examples.

-Zak-

 Power usage and heat dissipation will still be a problem.  The faster
 the chip and the more tightly packed the components the more heat is
 generated as a byproduct.  Even using advanced design techniques the
 current generation of computer chips will get hot enough to cook them-
 selves without proper ventilation.  If Juan's specs are met within 5
 years I bet the camera looks a lot like that silly Spotmatic wall hanging
 that sold on e-bay recently to hold a refrigeration unit and
 multiple fans.

 At 01:24 AM 2/14/2002 -0600, you wrote:
 Are you kidding?  Look at how far / fast storage, processing and RAM
 technology have advanced in the last 10 years.  I remember (quite
 clearly!) when you were getting a good deal if you paid $2.00
 per megabyte
 of storage.  IE, 500 MB hard drives for US$1,000.00.  It would
 surprise me
 greatly if it took longer than 5 years to hit every one of the
 specs that
 Juan desires.
 
 -Zak-
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Re: Am I Really a Dinosaur?

2002-02-14 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Sorry, Bill ...

The 'blad won't cut it for the type of photography we do.  Come join
Juan and me for a stroll through the city sometime, then you'll
understand.

That's not to say that a Med Format camera can't be used on the street -
I know Juan's used one as have I (a Bronica), but for fast shooting,
where there are times you don't even focus, and you don't stop moving,
35mm reigns.  The 'blad and similar cameras are too bulky and too slow
for a lot of street work.

If I'm not mistaken, the Plaubel 6x7 is not an interchangeable lens
camera (The Plaubel Makina is what I'm thinking of)

Now, the Mamiya has possibilities, as I've acknowledged before, and it's
something I'm looking into. 

William Robb wrote:

 Yes but Shel, all you need is for one to do it as well, or even
 nearly as well, as a small format camera. A camera like a
 Hasselblad 501CM, used at waist level would be quite
 inconspicuous.
 My friend with the Hasselblad travels frequenty to Greece, where
 he does wonderful street photography.
 The Plaubel 6x7 http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/plaubel.htm is
 remarkably small, though apparently not as reliable as it could
 be.
 The Mamiya 6 and 7 are both very compact also.
 
 Consider also, I could walk into a crowd with a small Leica, and
 stand out like a sore thumb, because that kind of photography is
 not what I do well. I think most of it is the photographer and
 how he works, much more so than the equipment. I bet you could
 do what you do with a Mamiya 7, almost all the time.
 (I am trying to enable you, BTW)

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RE: Am I Really a Dinosaur?

2002-02-14 Thread J. C. O'Connell

It's gonna take a long time before digital equals
what a Pentax 6X7 can do in termas of resolution.
Till then it's film and optical printing for me.
JCO
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Zachariah Yeidel
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 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Am I Really a Dinosaur?


 Power consumption, perhaps, although there are some impressive
 strides being
 made in lithium-ion battery technology as well as portable methane-powered
 fuel cells (no joke!) for laptops.  Heat dissipation will be (and is) less
 of an issue as digital cameras are focused (hah!  Punny!) more on capture
 and temporary storage than image modification or manipulation.
 My original,
 not-too-terribly-well-articulated point is that the ferocious pace of
 technological advancement promises to bring all of those specs well within
 reach in a very short period of time, using the advancement of
 CPU, RAM and
 HD technologies as my examples.

 -Zak-
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RE: Am I Really a Dinosaur?

2002-02-14 Thread Zachariah Yeidel

My biggest 2 objections to digital cameras is (1) that perceptible lag time
between pressing the shutter release and the actual moment of capture
(sometimes as long as a second!) and (2) the unmistakable feel of a
CCD-created image.  Kind of like the visible difference between video and
film; granularity and color balance are all different.  OK, OK,
theoretically that can be corrected with filters and post-capture
Photoshopping, but to me (and other, slightly imbalanced purists) that
just doesn't cut it.

-Zak-
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Re: Has anyone ever seen a RIGHT ANGLE LENS?

2002-02-14 Thread Tim Engel

Pentax Mirror Adapter  or Mirror Adapter II.It screws into a 52mm filter
ring and comes with a step-up / step-down adapter ring that also fits 49mm
and 58mm filter rings.

I picked mine up on ebay,  but they don't show up there very often.   Be
patient.

I don't know if Pentax still offers the Mirror Adapter,  but a visit to the
website will probably tell you for sure.

It's good for making candid shots...   or enemies if you get caught with it.
It seems that no one likes a spy,  even if you haven't taken their picture.
Women in particular seem to become immediately distrustful,  suspicious,
paranoid,  angry...   You get the trend.

Regards,
Tim Engel



- Original Message -
From: gabriel bovino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 11:16 PM
Subject: Has anyone ever seen a RIGHT ANGLE LENS?


 Hey everyone,
 A friend of mine (actually my girlfriend's friend) just came back from
 California and paid us a visit.  His uncle gave him a lot of his
photographic
 equipment (*ikon... no Pentax unfortunately).  Anyways, stowed away in his
 newly acquired treasure... he found a right angle lens, for lack of better
 words.

 It was a lens, or what looked liked a lens to the common eye, with a large
 circular hole on the side of the rotatable lens barrel.  Within the hole,
or
 missing circular portion of the barrel, was a mirror angled at 45 degrees
with
 respect to the mount.

 Within about 30 seconds we figured out what it was used for taking
 pictures of people without them knowing, good for street photography or
candid
 shots.  You can basically screw it onto your current lens (52mm), point
the
 camera 90 degrees away from the person like your taking an interesting
shot of
 something else, wait for them to look at the person with the weird lens
 attached to their camera, and presto... you've got a picture of someone
 without them knowing about it or wanting to kick your $% for doing so.

 So my real question is... what is this accessory called and where the heck
can
 I buy one?  I looked on EBay but couldn't find anything.

 Gabe
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Re: Am I Really a Dinosaur?

2002-02-14 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Well, I like the shutter lag.  It gives you time to change your mind and
photograph something else.  It also allows you time to guess if you've
caught the shot.  Fast shutter response is overrated.  Once you press
the button, you're committed, and that means more wasted frames, and, at
best, you've only got 36 exposures. 

Zachariah Yeidel wrote:
 
 My biggest 2 objections to digital cameras is (1) that perceptible lag time
 between pressing the shutter release and the actual moment of capture
 (sometimes as long as a second!) 
-- 
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Re: Pentax 85mm f1.8 spotted...

2002-02-14 Thread Fred

 And NOT on eBay...go figure...

Speaking of eBay, one just went (almost immediately, not too
surprisingly) for a $225 USD BIN price on eBay
(http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1333093661).

 Everyone keeps saying what a great lens this is.

Yup.  And, they'll keep on saying it...  g

Fred
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Re: Has anyone ever seen a RIGHT ANGLE LENS?

2002-02-14 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Hi,

These were advertised frequently in photo mags in the sixties and
seventies, and some stores still carry them.

gabriel bovino wrote:
 
 Hey everyone,
 A friend of mine (actually my girlfriend's friend) just came back from
 California and paid us a visit.  His uncle gave him a lot of his photographic
 equipment (*ikon... no Pentax unfortunately).  Anyways, stowed away in his
 newly acquired treasure... he found a right angle lens, for lack of better
 words.
 
 It was a lens, or what looked liked a lens to the common eye, with a large
 circular hole on the side of the rotatable lens barrel.  Within the hole, or
 missing circular portion of the barrel, was a mirror angled at 45 degrees with
 respect to the mount.
 
 Within about 30 seconds we figured out what it was used for taking
 pictures of people without them knowing, good for street photography or candid
 shots.  You can basically screw it onto your current lens (52mm), point the
 camera 90 degrees away from the person like your taking an interesting shot of
 something else, wait for them to look at the person with the weird lens
 attached to their camera, and presto... you've got a picture of someone
 without them knowing about it or wanting to kick your $% for doing so.
 
 So my real question is... what is this accessory called and where the heck can
 I buy one?  I looked on EBay but couldn't find anything.

-- 
Shel Belinkoff
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http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/
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Re: Has anyone ever seen a RIGHT ANGLE LENS?

2002-02-14 Thread Alan Chan

I know what you mean. This device was quite popular in the 80's, but doesn't 
seem as popular nowadays. Unfortunately, I do not know what it's called.

regards,
Alan Chan

Hey everyone,
A friend of mine (actually my girlfriend's friend) just came back from
California and paid us a visit.  His uncle gave him a lot of his 
photographic
equipment (*ikon... no Pentax unfortunately).  Anyways, stowed away in his
newly acquired treasure... he found a right angle lens, for lack of better
words.

It was a lens, or what looked liked a lens to the common eye, with a large
circular hole on the side of the rotatable lens barrel.  Within the hole, 
or
missing circular portion of the barrel, was a mirror angled at 45 degrees 
with
respect to the mount.

Within about 30 seconds we figured out what it was used for taking
pictures of people without them knowing, good for street photography or 
candid
shots.  You can basically screw it onto your current lens (52mm), point the
camera 90 degrees away from the person like your taking an interesting shot 
of
something else, wait for them to look at the person with the weird lens
attached to their camera, and presto... you've got a picture of someone
without them knowing about it or wanting to kick your $% for doing so.

So my real question is... what is this accessory called and where the heck 
can
I buy one?  I looked on EBay but couldn't find anything.

Gabe


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Re: MZ-6 in Canada

2002-02-14 Thread Alan Chan

What I can't figure is why all of the MZ series in the rest of the world 
are
called ZX here in the US, but the MZ-S shares the same designation
everywhere.

You have to thank the US government I guess. This applies to many other 
imported products too, not just ZX cameras.

regards,
Alan Chan

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Re: Enlarger Lens Coverage

2002-02-14 Thread William Robb

Correction, The Fuji is a 90mm f/5.6 Fujinon. The Rodenstock is
an 80mm f/5.6.

William Robb
- Original Message -
From: William Robb
Subject: Re: Enlarger Lens Coverage


 - Original Message -
 From: Collin Brendemuehl
 Subject: OT: Enlarger Lens Coverage


  Good news.
  The Fujinon 105/5.6 EP enlarging lens
  covers all but the very tips of a 4x5.
  Great lens.  Great contrast.

 Aren't the Fujinons nice? I have both 50mm and 80mm Fujinons.
 The 80mm covers the 6x7 negative quite nicely, and even the 50
 is not too shy of covering it. I think it might cover the 645
 format.
 They are specatularly sharp and contrasty right to the edges
as
 well. Much more so that my Rodenstocks of the same focal
 lengths.
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Re: Aperture Blades on Different Lenses

2002-02-14 Thread Alan Chan

Does anyone know why the aperture blades are oriented differently on
different Pentax lenses?  I was cleaning my M 50mm f1.4 and my FA 50mm f1.4
and noticed this today.  On the M lens the tips of the blades face forward
and the iris diaphragm appears smooth when viewed from the rear.  The FA
lens is exactly the opposite. I  hope this is an adequate description of my
observation.

Just another stupid question.

Not a stupid question at all. I had the same questions when I repaired some 
of my lenses. I guess it had to do with the mechanical design.

regards,
Alan Chan

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RE: Am I Really a Dinosaur?

2002-02-14 Thread J. C. O'Connell

Based on the fact that it takes 4000ppi
to get all the resolution from at 35mm
film, that equates to 4000X6000 pixels.
Those dimensions would mean you need 
a 24 Mpixel camera to equal 35mm. Right
now they are only in the 5-6 Mpixel range
so they have to get 4 times better just
to equal 35mm, and about 16 times better
to equal 6X7. I'm not saying they cant
get there but its gonna take some time
JCO
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RE: Enlarger Lens Coverage

2002-02-14 Thread J. C. O'Connell

My 80mm Rodenstock F5.6 covered 6X7 no
problem when making 8X10 prints. But I
bought a 105mm 5.6 El-Nikkor just to be safe.
JCO
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Robb
 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 1:24 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Enlarger Lens Coverage
 
 
 Correction, The Fuji is a 90mm f/5.6 Fujinon. The Rodenstock is
 an 80mm f/5.6.
 
 William Robb
 - Original Message -
 From: William Robb
 Subject: Re: Enlarger Lens Coverage
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Collin Brendemuehl
  Subject: OT: Enlarger Lens Coverage
 
 
   Good news.
   The Fujinon 105/5.6 EP enlarging lens
   covers all but the very tips of a 4x5.
   Great lens.  Great contrast.
 
  Aren't the Fujinons nice? I have both 50mm and 80mm Fujinons.
  The 80mm covers the 6x7 negative quite nicely, and even the 50
  is not too shy of covering it. I think it might cover the 645
  format.
  They are specatularly sharp and contrasty right to the edges
 as
  well. Much more so that my Rodenstocks of the same focal
  lengths.
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Re: Am I Really a Dinosaur?

2002-02-14 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Those seem like rather arbitrary numbers.  Is it a fact?  Are you
saying that 5000 or 6000 or more ppi won't yield more resolution?

J. C. O'Connell wrote:
 
 Based on the fact that it takes 4000ppi
 to get all the resolution from at 35mm
 film, that equates to 4000X6000 pixels.

-- 
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RE: Am I Really a Dinosaur?

2002-02-14 Thread J. C. O'Connell

4000ppi is probably better than 35mm can do because
the lenses w/ film rarely if ever achive more than 100 lines/mm
which would be more like a 2400x3600 pixel image which
is only about 8.5 Mpixel.

jco

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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff
 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 1:33 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Am I Really a Dinosaur?
 
 
 Those seem like rather arbitrary numbers.  Is it a fact?  Are you
 saying that 5000 or 6000 or more ppi won't yield more resolution?
 
 J. C. O'Connell wrote:
  
  Based on the fact that it takes 4000ppi
  to get all the resolution from at 35mm
  film, that equates to 4000X6000 pixels.
 
 -- 
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Re: Am I Really a Dinosaur?

2002-02-14 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: Re: Am I Really a Dinosaur?


 Well, I like the shutter lag.  It gives you time to change
your mind and
 photograph something else.  It also allows you time to guess
if you've
 caught the shot.  Fast shutter response is overrated.  Once
you press
 the button, you're committed, and that means more wasted
frames, and, at
 best, you've only got 36 exposures.

This is what I detest about the LX. I mean really, as soon as
you decide to take the picture, the picture is taken. I hear the
Leica rangefinders are worse for this so called feature.
It of takes all the guess work out of photography and turns it
into a mere science. One of the joys of photography is the
surprises that you get back from the lab. Sure, they are not all
pleasant, but they are still surprises, and that is one of the
things that makes life exciting.
Far better to have time to rethink the decision, perhaps have a
cup of coffee (My favourite comes from Brazil, but not very
often, sad to say) and decide that the subject isn't worthy of a
photograph, or perhaps notice that the stars are out of
alignment, and no photograph will work until the moon is in the
seventh house, and Jupiter is aligned with Mars.
Only then will love rule the stars, brother, and only then will
peace guide the planets.

But I digress.

William Robb
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Re: Pentax 85mm f1.8 spotted...

2002-02-14 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Fred 
Subject: Re: Pentax 85mm f1.8 spotted...



  Everyone keeps saying what a great lens this is.
 
 Yup.  And, they'll keep on saying it...  g

Do they also say it is better than the 77mm LTD?

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Near 1:1 Macro with the P67

2002-02-14 Thread J. C. O'Connell

I took a few shots tonight with the 135mm F4
SMC Macro Takumar. These were pix of HO slotcars
(about 3 long) and to get enuff magnification and DOF I needed
to use both #1 and #2 extension tubes and shot
using my flash at 1/16 power @ F32. Tmax 400.

The negs look great! Sharpness is still excellent
even at f32! Waiting for the negs to dry but I'll
post a scan or two after I print them.

JCO
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Tmax 400 developing quandry

2002-02-14 Thread J. C. O'Connell

I was web browsing Kodaks webite and found
a recommended developing time table for
TMAX 100 and 400.

I've been using ISO 250 for Tmax 400 and
developing for 6.5 minutes at 75 deg F
using TMAX Dev. diluted 1:9.

BUT Kodak recommends 15 minutes! They also
state that film speed goes up (not down
as I have been using it ) when using the
1:9 dilution. 

Tonite I compromised and shot at ISO 400
instead of 250 and developed for 10 minutes.
Negs still look great. I guess there is
more than one way to skin a cat.

JCO
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250 exposure backs

2002-02-14 Thread Paul Ewins

Does anyone know much about the production of the 250 shot backs? I know
that they were made for Spotmatics and KX/MX/LX, but who actually
manufactured them?

The reason I ask is that I had a rush of blood on ebay and bought a couple
of the MX cartridges, which were said to be identical to the LX cartridges.
The thing is that they also look very similar to the Nikon MZ-1 cartridges
(for the F2, F3 etc), and the Canon cartridges and the Topcon cartridges. I
haven't found a picture of the spotmatic cartridges, or the olympus, contax,
minolta, miranda ones.

The Nikon loader looks a little different to the Pentax one, but the Minolta
one looks identical to the Nikon one.

Call me suspicious, but it looks a lot like some enterprising manufacturer
designed a 250 shot system that they sold to virtually all of the Japanese
manufacturers, who then adapted it to their own cameras.

The first one to appear on an SLR (Leica had a 250 shot RF pre-war I think)
was for the Nikon F. But this is different to the one introduced for the F2
in the seventies, which as far as I can tell is when the other systems
started to appear.  Nikon also had a 750 shot back and Minolta has a 100
shot back.

nikon
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/nikonf2/filmbacks/in
dex.htm#MF-1
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/nikonf3ver2/databack
/mf4/index1.htm

canon
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/canonf1/html/bulkfil
mback/index.htm

topcon
http://topconcollection.home.att.net/page8.html

Minolta
http://jwhub.xtdnet.nl/mug/mf-accessories.html

Miranda
http://www.mirandacamera.com/_collectibles/_rare/rare.htm

Getting back to Pentax things, after buying the cartridges and then passing
up an LX 250 shot back for $99 (because I don't have an LX) I did a bit of
searching and found an MX back in Canada, which hopefully is on its way to
me now. That was a bit  more costly than the LX back (at CAN$195) but comes
with three cartridges. So now all I need is the loader and somewhere that
will process the film.
BH list the Nikon loader for US$290 and the Pentax loader for US$239, while
the Nikon cartridges are $55, the Olympus ones $65 and the Pentax ones $109
ea - an interesting spread of prices if it is all basically the same stuff.
Second hand the cartridges seem to be around US$30 ea, although my two from
ebay were only $22.50.

BTW, if anyone wants a Spotmatic 250 back badly, Pacific Rim Camera
http://www.pacificrimcamera.com/  has one -
27281 ASAHI BULK FILM BACK FOR SPOTMATIC MOTOR DRIVE, W/ CASSETTES, MAY BE
MISSING A SMALL KNOB, EX+  $250.00


Paul Ewins
Melbourne, Australia
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Re: Enlarger Lens Coverage

2002-02-14 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: Enlarger Lens Coverage


 My 80mm Rodenstock F5.6 covered 6X7 no
 problem when making 8X10 prints. But I
 bought a 105mm 5.6 El-Nikkor just to be safe.

Mine does too, but I like the Fuji lens more. The Nikkor 105 is
a gem.

William Robb
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Re: MZ-6 in Canada

2002-02-14 Thread Fred

 What I can't figure is why all of the MZ series in the rest of
 the world are called ZX here in the US, but the MZ-S shares the
 same designation everywhere.

 You have to thank the US government I guess. This applies to many
 other imported products too, not just ZX cameras.

Maybe.  However, this may be the design of Pentax's own marketing
department (and we all know what that department's capable of -
g).

Pentax has long had geographical differences in its cameras.  Back
in the screwmount days, there were distributor-caused differences
(Asahi Pentax versus Tower, Asahi Pentax versus Heiland
Pentax versus Honeywell Pentax, S1 versus H1, SV versus H3v,
etc.).  In the K-mount era, the most obvious example (to me) would
be the chrome Super Program versus the black Super A, but there have
been many other nomenclature differences (Program Plus versus
Program A, A3000 versus A3, SF1n versus SFXn, etc., right up to the
current ZX-* versus MZ-*, etc.), as well.

Also, these were not simply US versus the rest of the world
differences, were they?  Weren't they actually North America
versus the rest of the world differences?  Perhaps our Canadian
PDML-ers can elucidate which specific models were marketed in their
country during Pentax history...

Finally, consider this - Why is the LX sold as the LX in the rest
of the world, but sold as the ILX on eBay?  (Actually, we all know
the answer - heh-heh.)

Fred
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Subject: Re: Pentax fast glass?

2002-02-14 Thread WKato

If you are considering switching systems and don't mind a camera whose end 
has been officially announced, I might suggest Olympus as they excel in fast 
wide angles. There is the 21/2, 24/2, 28/2, 35/2, 50/1.2, 85/2, 90/2 and 
100/2. The 90 is the sharpest but also the priciest. Average prices run as 
follows 21 $550, 24 $300, 28 $275, 35 $175, 50 $250, 85 $225. The 28, 35, 50, 
90 and 100 are wonderfully sharp and are pretty good wide open.

Warren
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Re: Pentax 85mm f1.8 spotted...

2002-02-14 Thread Fred

  Everyone keeps saying what a great lens this is.
 
 Yup.  And, they'll keep on saying it...  g

 Do they also say it is better than the 77mm LTD?

Hmmm...  No, they haven't said that too much, at least to me.  I
have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.  I do not think that
they will sing to me.  ;-)

Seriously, we've had some FA 77/1.7 Ltd versus FA* 85/1.4
discussions here, and we certainly have had ~many~ 85 vs 85 vs
85... discussions, but I'm not sure I've heard very much comparing
these two specific lenses, Bill.  Anyone with both 77/1.8 and 85/1.8
experience care to share?

Fred
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RE: Noobie 35mm Enlarger Question

2002-02-14 Thread Erik Nordin

Hi again,

I checked my Opemus yesterday, and yes, you're right. The opening above
negative is appr 6x6 but the opening below 5.5x5.5. Very strange. On the
other hand, my old Zeiss Ikon Nettax negatives are also roughly 5.5x5.5. I
don't have any MF enlarger lens, so I couldn't check how the negative is
projected to the paper, but I'll try to borrow a lens and check it out. It
will take a couple of weeks before I get an opportunity, though.

Otherwise I'm very happy with the Opemus 6, and the Magnifax seems to be
similarly constructed. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any dealers
in Sweden anymore. Too bad, when I bought the Opemus it definitely gave most
value for the money of all new enlargers.

Erik

-Original Message-
From: Frantisek Vlcek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: den 13 februari 2002 21:04
To: Erik Nordin
Subject: Re: Noobie 35mm Enlarger Question


Wednesday, February 13, 2002, 3:07:33 PM, Erik wrote:
EN Hi Frantisek, I read your below opinion - could you please explain what
you
EN mean with the Opemus not being godd for 6x6? I have the Opemus 6 which I
EN have been very pleased with, although so far I have only used it for 35
mm
EN work with a EI-Nikkor 50/2.8. One of the reasons I got it 10 years ago
was
EN its capacity for MF negatives, so it would be interesting to know about
its
EN shortcomings...

Erik,
   this is nothing I know from personal experience, I have always used
   only Magnifaxes (II, than IV).

   My friend has the Opemus 7 (6?) and he is unable to do full-frame
   bordered 6x6 prints, as the negative carrier's hole is only about
   5.5x5.5cm. He contacted Meopta but to no avail. This might not be
   true with all models, I find it very strange, too. If you measure
   the carrier hole, please let me know how much it is, it interests
   me too. I find it hard to believe they would make an enlarger with
   such obvious design fault, but it wouldn't be a first time even a
   respected company did such stupid things. Perhaps it's just his
   model, though.

   Second, general thing, is that it's always better to have overkill
   condenser (lightsource), Magnifax has in fact condenser perfectly
   suited for 9x9cm format (if there was any, apart from aerial roll
   film long ago), so 6x6, 6x7 even 6x9 are no problem with Magnifax,
   there will be no fall-off to the corners. But I don't really know
   how big or good is the condenser for Opemus, as I said, I have no
   experience with it.

Good light,
   Frantisek Vlcek
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re: Pentax 85mm f1.8 spotted...

2002-02-14 Thread Ryan Charron

Too late , I already grabbed it.
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pentax cameras

2002-02-14 Thread joe

Hello I'm new on here and I have a question. Should i stick with my 
pz1p and use this with a macro lense for macro photography?

I was told to better trade it in for a Nikon and when I called 
Michaels Camera in Melbourne and Genious Photo they simply 
told me they wouldnt touch it and aint interested in a trade in.

Is there a special place in Australia that sell and have a constant 
stock of Pentax gear new and second hand?

Thanks

Joe
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Re: Pentax 85mm f1.8 spotted...

2002-02-14 Thread Marcus

Wow, that lasted a whole hour and 45 minutes. Reminds
me of the Plabel Makina 67 on Ebay Germany last year
that went BUY IT NOW for just under $300!

--- Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  And NOT on eBay...go figure...
 
 Speaking of eBay, one just went (almost immediately,
 not too
 surprisingly) for a $225 USD BIN price on eBay

(http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1333093661).
 
  Everyone keeps saying what a great lens this is.
 
 Yup.  And, they'll keep on saying it...  g
 
 Fred
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