Re: DSLR future wish-list

2004-01-12 Thread Frits Wüthrich
Could you use those universal programmable remote controls for TV, VCR
etc? Problem is how to program it.


On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 09:44, Boris Liberman wrote:
 Hi!
 
 I wonder how long it wil be before we have a wireless remote control
 complete with LCD?  Even a wired one would be nice, sometimes; there
 are several times when I can't stand where I'd like to for a shot.
 
 It is there. Just not long ago someone posted how to turn one's Palm 
 Pilot into Pentax IR Remote... It only remains to enrich the protocol 
 with functions more interesting than mere shutter release g.
 
 Boris
-- 
Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]



OT: Fame and Fashion and Photography: Bailey's 70s - BBC4 Tuesday 23:25

2004-01-12 Thread Rob Brigham
Subject: Fame and Fashion and Photography: Bailey's 70s - BBC4 Tuesday
23:25 Duration in Mins: 75 

Fame and Fashion and Photography: Bailey's 70s

Profile of photographer David Bailey, whose name was once synonymous
with fashion, fame and beautiful women. At the top of his profession,
Bailey split with the magazine that had made his name to set up his own
fashion magazine and travel the world. Contributors include Anjelica
Huston, Alice Cooper, Lord Lichfield, Marie Helvin and Jerry Hall 




 



Re: DSLR future wish-list

2004-01-12 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Frits Wüthrich a écrit:

Could you use those universal programmable remote controls for TV, VCR
etc? Problem is how to program it.
You can use it, if the remote know a code for 'Pentax VCR'

Michel



Where can I get a grip strap for PZ1p?

2004-01-12 Thread Mark Stringer
Where can I get a grip strap for PZ1p?

Mark Stringer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: DSLR future wish-list

2004-01-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Anders Hultman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Rob Studdert wrote:

 Copyright data could be embedded in the EXIF data (or most preferably 
 IPTC/NAA). The point is that if you put it there and someone uses or edits your 
 image and strips the data then you can always refer to the original document if 
 copyright is being disputed.

Couldn't they just insert their own copyright data and claim you're the
one forging it?

Then you could retaliate by changing the date in your EXIF data to
predate *that*! (Easy to do with a hex editor. Which makes the whole
exercise kind of pointless, really.)

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Unusual subjects to photograph.

2004-01-12 Thread Rfsindg
Stan,

Are you still in a rural area or has the city/suburbs grown out to surround 
you?
...An interesting place to live nonetheless and under 200 years old!

Regards,  Bob S.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And some older houses just got lucky. I live in a log cabin 
constructed in 1837, the year that this portion of Missouri 
was bought from the native inhabitants. Some termite 
damage over the years, but the basic original log cabin is 
the shell around which the rest of the house is built.

Actually, to be precise, it was two log cabins constructed 
in the typical southern dog-trot or mule-trot style. Later 
covered over to look like a typical Federal Style farmhouse. 
The original family lived here until 1946, the second owner 
had the house until the late '60's, we've had it since '83.

Stan



Re: DIY Product table - results

2004-01-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

And of course the url is...
http://www.oceania.net/light_table/

Well the first couple of photos look a bit underexposed and the
composition is really static...

Oh, all right. *Great* work Kevin and thanks for sharing both the design
and sample results! You know you could probably build a few of these
things and sell them on eBay to other people who sell things on eBay. 

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Pizza Sign

2004-01-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

We all held our breath as Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/images/nypizza.html

Nice neon.
Just out of curiosity, What is a New York City style pizza?

When you open the box, the pizza tells you to go %#% yourself!
;-)

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Unusual subjects to photograph.

2004-01-12 Thread Stan Halpin
We are within the Kansas City city limits. The second owners 
sold most of the farm to a developer; our two acres is 
surrounded by duplexes and townhouses.

stan

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Stan,

Are you still in a rural area or has the city/suburbs grown out to surround 
you?
...An interesting place to live nonetheless and under 200 years old!

Regards,  Bob S.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And some older houses just got lucky. I live in a log cabin 
constructed in 1837, the year that this portion of Missouri 
was bought from the native inhabitants. Some termite 
damage over the years, but the basic original log cabin is 
the shell around which the rest of the house is built.

Actually, to be precise, it was two log cabins constructed 
in the typical southern dog-trot or mule-trot style. Later 
covered over to look like a typical Federal Style farmhouse. 
The original family lived here until 1946, the second owner 
had the house until the late '60's, we've had it since '83.

Stan





Re: DSLR future wish-list

2004-01-12 Thread Rob Studdert
On 12 Jan 2004 at 8:41, Anders Hultman wrote:

 Couldn't they just insert their own copyright data and claim you're the
 one forging it?

I suppose they could but they'd likely be hard pressed to provide the out-takes 
from the series as evidence :-)

Simple enough request and one that would save me from forgetting to add it 
later as sometimes happens. I'll deal with the problem of this type of  
information being volatile when the time comes.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Chromes,was: Hi there

2004-01-12 Thread brooksdj
 Cool, that sure is a lot of different kinds.
 So, are these just what you will buy according to what's on hand, or do you
 have a specific purpose for each of these, for instance, fuji for landscape
 photos because of its blue and green saturation, stuff like that?
 Rebekah
 a day without sunshine is like, you know, night.
Hi
For Chrome film,some of us TOPDMLers like Kodak 100vs.I also like the Fuji Provia 100.

Dave




Re: Re: OT- Windows and Explorer Help needed....

2004-01-12 Thread David C Miers
I've been getting up to 3 viruses a day in email these days.  I'd vote for
the virus infection too.  I just recently went back to win 2000 on my laptop
and main system for the purposes of large picture file editing.  2000 runs
much faster then XP to my notion.  I did have several glitches, but most of
them were removed by installing all the updates.  Networking is much faster
and glitchless when using 2 win 2000 based machines together as well.
Another adantage to my notion that may be of assistance to you is the IE 6
repair function.  Simply go to control panel/add-remove software/ Microsoft
Internet Explorer 6 SP 1.  Click the change/remove button and you will get
options to downgrade to IE 5 or repair IE 6.

Win 2000 is a bit more difficult to repair then some operating systems, but
worth it IMHO.  Suggest going to Microsoft Knowledge base and google doing
searchs for the problems your having.  Using the event viewer to see errors
happening is very important.  I usually get the text for my searches there.
You can get there from Control Panel/administrative tools/event viewer.  You
can use the Services menu to trouble shoot problems as well stopping
operations currently running to isolate problems.  There are some services
you will not want to mess with, so you should do a search for the critical
win 2000 services before doing this.  I can't remember which ones are a
problem right off the top of my head.  You can also use regedit with the
run command to change registry settings.  BE CAREFUL HERE!!!  Go to
HKEY_LOCAL-MACHINES\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunHere
you can see programs starting that may not be in the services menu.  By
simply selecting a key and choosing modify, you can disable that key by
putting the letters rem in front of the key.  This way the key is not
deleted, but is still disabled for trouble shooting reasons.  You can also
go to the start menu and make a folder called disabled startup items  Go
into the startup folder can cut and paste anything you do not want running
into this folder.  To reenable simply cut and paste back into the startup
folder.

Check out all your running processes one at a time.  Verify that these are
not viruses.  When you get to the point that no errors are showing in the
events your system should be running seemlessly.

Hope that might help.

Dave
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: Re: OT- Windows and Explorer Help needed



 Hi,
 I think the w2k.blaster.worm or what ever it's name was can be the
 course for it. There's a remove-tool, I think you can get it from the
 symantec website.

 I don't know what mouse you have, but I had problems with my mouse and
 laptop too, and that was a hardware problem. Microsoft optical wheel
 mouse (at least the older ones) has _sometimes_ problems working on a
 laptop. it worked sometimes and then suddenly stopped working... you
 could do whatever you want (reboot, etc) it just didn't work again.. and
 sometimes it started to work again days later... but at an other pc it
 was just fine... there was also a microsoft page about it, but I can't
 find it again...

 hope this helps..
 bye Katrin


 danilo [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 12.01.2004, 11:46:17:
 
  Hi,
  It seems like a virus infection.
  or, maybe, windows is bored of life, you must re-install it. But windows
2000
  is a quite stable OS, so the former seems the most realistic hypotesis.
 
  Hoping it isn't an hardware problem...
 
  ciao,
  Danilo.





Re: Pizza Sign

2004-01-12 Thread Steve Desjardins
There is a great story that the former mayor of NY Ed Koch went into a
restaurant   (one sunny day).  Another patron walked up to him, poked
him in the chest and said you were a terrible mayor.  Ed promptly
relied in a loud voice  you, to the applause of the rest of the
restaurant.  


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/12/04 08:16AM 
Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

We all held our breath as Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
uttered:

 http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/images/nypizza.html 

Nice neon.
Just out of curiosity, What is a New York City style pizza?

When you open the box, the pizza tells you to go %#% yourself!
;-)

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com 



Re: DSLR future wish-list

2004-01-12 Thread Doug Franklin
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 03:18:59 -0500 (EST), John Francis wrote:

 I wonder how long it wil be before we have a wireless remote control
 complete with LCD?  Even a wired one would be nice, sometimes; there
 are several times when I can't stand where I'd like to for a shot.

Well, John, Sony (I think) already makes one for TVs, stereos, etc.  I
think it's a learning remote, so it could possibly be set up to send
the right codes for the camera.  I believe that it also can put a
script on each button, but I'm not familiar enough with it to know if
it will do what you want.  I do know that it usually goes for US$
150-200 around here, so it's a little pricey.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ




Used DSLR prices

2004-01-12 Thread Steve Desjardins
I noticed in a KEH flyer that an Ex  D30 was going for $850.  Given
that the *ist D is starting lower ($1350 US should be the new street
price), the $600 predicition of Cotty seems like a good one.   


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: DSLR future wish-list

2004-01-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 12 Jan 2004 at 8:41, Anders Hultman wrote:

 Couldn't they just insert their own copyright data and claim you're the
 one forging it?

I suppose they could but they'd likely be hard pressed to provide the out-takes 
from the series as evidence :-)

Simple enough request and one that would save me from forgetting to add it 
later as sometimes happens. I'll deal with the problem of this type of  
information being volatile when the time comes.

I really like the suggestion (first floated in a PDML post, I believe)
of cropping your images slightly before publishing them or putting them
on the web. A copyright violator would be unable to provide the missing
information in the outside edge of the original. (Indeed, he wouldn't
even be aware of it.)

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: DLab7 and 7Dayshop for processing? And Agfa Precisa

2004-01-12 Thread Alin Flaider

  Bob,

  I really don't see RSX II 100 as a high saturation film. It may be
  a bit more saturated than Provia 100F in the warm colors but
  certainly lacks the punch of Velvia. On the contrary, the colours
  look very natural and well balanced, it excels especially on the
  skin rendering and control of highlights.

  Servus,  Alin

Bob wrote:

BW Agfa describe RSX II as a high saturation film.
BW Have you found that it compares with Velvia in this regard?



Re: Used DSLR prices

2004-01-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I noticed in a KEH flyer that an Ex  D30 was going for $850.

Wow. That's much *much* higher than I would have expected! You can get a
6 megapixel 300D for that price!

Given that the *ist D is starting lower ($1350 US should be the new street
price), the $600 predicition of Cotty seems like a good one.   

What does a used D60 go for now, do you suppose?

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Soon to be new istD owners

2004-01-12 Thread Steve Desjardins
I have very large hands, but I  haven't had any problems so far (except
see below) - though I haven't tried with gloves on yet.

Go without gloves.  You must suffer for your art.

 Does anyone know the dynamic range of the sensor compared with
transparency film?
The most common estimate I hear is 5-6 stops.

I've installed the firmware upgrade (I held off on buying the *istD
until I
could use my non-A lenses) and this works well, although whether I'll
always
remember to press the green button is debatable. Am I right in thinking
that
if I use A-type lenses off 'A' I can only use them on M and also have
to
press the green button?

 A lenses don't need the green button as long as you keep them on the
A setting.  You can use P, Av, Tv, etc. . . .

Another feature I'd like is the option for a histogram in the instant
review - the Fuji S2 I use at work has this option and I find it very
useful
to glance at the LCD after I've taken the picture without having to
enter
review mode.

 This would be good.   A Recent Luminous landscape article talked
about the best exposure being the histogram pushed up against (but not
off of) the highlight end of the scale.  I'm trying to use the histogram
more when I have the time.

I apologize if these questions have already come up, but I only rarely
find
time to read more than a few postings to this list.

 Amen, brother.  Sometimes it's like trying to take a drink from a
fire hydrant.

Cheers

Andy


- Original Message - 
From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: Soon to be new istD owners


 I have ordered mine yesterday.
 Jens, Denmark






Re: Soon to be new istD owners

2004-01-12 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Steve Desjardins 
Subject: Re: Soon to be new istD owners



. Am I right in thinking
 that
 if I use A-type lenses off 'A' I can only use them on M and also have
 to
 press the green button?

Yes.

William Robb



Re: Unusual subjects to photograph.

2004-01-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Pat White wrote:

 Here in Victoria, we have quite a few older buildings,

You also have that Legislature building, that is lit up like a christmas tree at
night.



OT: Binoculars?

2004-01-12 Thread Rob Brigham
Thinking about the DCF 8*43 SP which replace the 'old' 8*42 WP.  The
WP's were said by some to be amongst the finest binoculars in the world.
Anyone have any experience of the SP's?  They are supposed to be
brighter, smaller, lighter and focus closer!

Also, in the more compact arena does anyone have any suggestions?  I
don't think I will go for any of these because the brightness is likely
to be much poorer, but may eventually got some as a second pair...

Thanks

Rob



Re: DSLR future wish-list

2004-01-12 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
My (future) wishes really haven't changed:

1.  Make CF port more generic, not just memory.
-- allow for network cards.
2.  Set network login name/password.  (so someone isn't listening!)
3.  Select the default port for transfer.
4.  Immediate transfer after taking shot.
5.  Lightweight, low power, external high-capacity storage.
Like 20 gig CF teathered but just in my pocket.

Collin



Re: Unusual subjects to photograph.

2004-01-12 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Daniel J. Matyola
Subject: Re: Unusual subjects to photograph.




 You also have that Legislature building, that is lit up like a christmas
tree at
 night.

Those British Columbians are a clever lot. Those lights are powered by
turbines at the back of the building. Hot air, directed from the Legilative
chamber to the turbines provides the motive power.

William Robb



Re: Used DSLR prices

2004-01-12 Thread Steve Desjardins
A LN- goes for $1079.  This is pretty high by comparison to current new
prices.  Although I don't look at the digital section regularly (as
opposed to Pentax lenses, for example ;-) I suspect that there just
aren't a lot available.  That D30 is already gone.  In a few years,
there could be more DSLR bodies available.  OTOH, E10 and E20's are
still commanding more than I would have thought.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/12/04 09:00AM 
Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I noticed in a KEH flyer that an Ex  D30 was going for $850.

Wow. That's much *much* higher than I would have expected! You can get
a
6 megapixel 300D for that price!

Given that the *ist D is starting lower ($1350 US should be the new
street
price), the $600 predicition of Cotty seems like a good one.   

What does a used D60 go for now, do you suppose?

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com 



Re: DSLR future wish-list

2004-01-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 03:18:59 -0500 (EST), John Francis wrote:

 I wonder how long it wil be before we have a wireless remote control
 complete with LCD?  Even a wired one would be nice, sometimes; there
 are several times when I can't stand where I'd like to for a shot.

Well, John, Sony (I think) already makes one for TVs, stereos, etc.  I
think it's a learning remote, so it could possibly be set up to send
the right codes for the camera.  I believe that it also can put a
script on each button, but I'm not familiar enough with it to know if
it will do what you want.  I do know that it usually goes for US$
150-200 around here, so it's a little pricey.

here's a page of learning remotes, some as little as $22.95
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/eenidmarket/audio-video-home-office-remote-controls-learning.html

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: DSLR future wish-list

2004-01-12 Thread Steve Desjardins
Is that a 20 gig CF card in your pocket or are you happy to see me?
(This will date people.)


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/12/04 09:31AM 
My (future) wishes really haven't changed:

1.  Make CF port more generic, not just memory.
-- allow for network cards.
2.  Set network login name/password.  (so someone isn't listening!)
3.  Select the default port for transfer.
4.  Immediate transfer after taking shot.
5.  Lightweight, low power, external high-capacity storage.
Like 20 gig CF teathered but just in my pocket.

Collin



Re: Unusual subjects to photograph.

2004-01-12 Thread bucky
Tee hee.  Hell, there's enough excess energy there to sell some of it to Colly-
fohhnya if they need it.


Quoting William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Those lights are powered by
 turbines at the back of the building. Hot air, directed from the Legilative
 chamber to the turbines provides the motive power.
 
 William Robb
 




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Re: Digests tardy

2004-01-12 Thread Doug Brewer
At 02:29 AM 1/12/04, throwing caution to the wind, Cotty wrote:

Just a quick note that is probably already known about but I mention it
here because there's no way I can know if it's known about (a sort of
known unknown)
Haven't received any digests for at least 10 hours now, which is highly
unusual.
Best



Cheers,
  Cotty


I'll take a look, Cotty.

Thanks,

Doug 



Re: Pizza Sign

2004-01-12 Thread Stephen Moore
Mark Roberts recently wrote:

Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Just out of curiosity, What is a New York City style pizza?


When you open the box, the pizza tells you to go %#% yourself!
A while back, he also wrote:

 Have you heard the correct way to ask for directions in New York?

 Excuse me, could you tell me the way to Radio City Music Hall or
 should I just go $#@ myself?
So you got a t'ing about N'Yawk, Mark?  ;-)

Have you heard what a New York echo sounds like?
  You:  Helloo
  Echo: Shut the  up!
Regards,

Stephen






Re: Re: OT- Windows and Explorer Help needed....

2004-01-12 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
Well, guys!  Thankyou SO much!  It surely WAS that bloody Blaster WORM!!!
Downloaded the fix tool, and the patch, did a live update and whammo - all
fixed!  I don't think that it actually came with the virus though as I have
been surfing the internet for the past two days, downloading service packs,
software updates, patches etc, and it didn't occured to me until this
morning that I didn't have any Anti virus installed.  So I quickly installed
Norton's System Works, but obviously it was too late  by then!

So, thankyou to all who replied and particularly to John and David for your
very detailed and most helpful responses!!

tan.

- Original Message -
From: David C Miers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 5:34 AM
Subject: Re: Re: OT- Windows and Explorer Help needed


 I've been getting up to 3 viruses a day in email these days.  I'd vote for
 the virus infection too.  I just recently went back to win 2000 on my
laptop
 and main system for the purposes of large picture file editing.  2000 runs
 much faster then XP to my notion.  I did have several glitches, but most
of
 them were removed by installing all the updates.  Networking is much
faster
 and glitchless when using 2 win 2000 based machines together as well.
 Another adantage to my notion that may be of assistance to you is the IE 6
 repair function.  Simply go to control panel/add-remove software/
Microsoft
 Internet Explorer 6 SP 1.  Click the change/remove button and you will get
 options to downgrade to IE 5 or repair IE 6.

 Win 2000 is a bit more difficult to repair then some operating systems,
but
 worth it IMHO.  Suggest going to Microsoft Knowledge base and google doing
 searchs for the problems your having.  Using the event viewer to see
errors
 happening is very important.  I usually get the text for my searches
there.
 You can get there from Control Panel/administrative tools/event viewer.
You
 can use the Services menu to trouble shoot problems as well stopping
 operations currently running to isolate problems.  There are some services
 you will not want to mess with, so you should do a search for the critical
 win 2000 services before doing this.  I can't remember which ones are a
 problem right off the top of my head.  You can also use regedit with the
 run command to change registry settings.  BE CAREFUL HERE!!!  Go to
 HKEY_LOCAL-MACHINES\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunHere
 you can see programs starting that may not be in the services menu.  By
 simply selecting a key and choosing modify, you can disable that key by
 putting the letters rem in front of the key.  This way the key is not
 deleted, but is still disabled for trouble shooting reasons.  You can also
 go to the start menu and make a folder called disabled startup items  Go
 into the startup folder can cut and paste anything you do not want running
 into this folder.  To reenable simply cut and paste back into the startup
 folder.

 Check out all your running processes one at a time.  Verify that these are
 not viruses.  When you get to the point that no errors are showing in the
 events your system should be running seemlessly.

 Hope that might help.

 Dave
 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 4:58 AM
 Subject: Re: Re: OT- Windows and Explorer Help needed


 
  Hi,
  I think the w2k.blaster.worm or what ever it's name was can be the
  course for it. There's a remove-tool, I think you can get it from the
  symantec website.
 
  I don't know what mouse you have, but I had problems with my mouse and
  laptop too, and that was a hardware problem. Microsoft optical wheel
  mouse (at least the older ones) has _sometimes_ problems working on a
  laptop. it worked sometimes and then suddenly stopped working... you
  could do whatever you want (reboot, etc) it just didn't work again.. and
  sometimes it started to work again days later... but at an other pc it
  was just fine... there was also a microsoft page about it, but I can't
  find it again...
 
  hope this helps..
  bye Katrin
 
 
  danilo [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 12.01.2004, 11:46:17:
  
   Hi,
   It seems like a virus infection.
   or, maybe, windows is bored of life, you must re-install it. But
windows
 2000
   is a quite stable OS, so the former seems the most realistic
hypotesis.
  
   Hoping it isn't an hardware problem...
  
   ciao,
   Danilo.
 
 






Re: Pizza Sign

2004-01-12 Thread mapson

 Excuse me, could you tell me the way to Radio City Music Hall or
 should I just go $#@ myself?
So you got a t'ing about N'Yawk, Mark?  ;-)

Have you heard what a New York echo sounds like?
  You:  Helloo
  Echo: Shut the  up!


... ... ... and in the film Coming to America the prince is greeted quite 
nicely by the locals. :-)

   (*)o(*) 
Robert
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


MX CLA in NYC?

2004-01-12 Thread Pentax
How's that for alphabet soup?

Anyone have recommendations for where to get a Pentax MX a cleaning, 
lubrication and adjustment in New York city?

Thanks,
Rob


Re: OT- Windows and Explorer Help needed....

2004-01-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I quickly installed Norton's System Works, but obviously it was too late by then!

Do you know how long it takes for an unprotected computer to be infected
when it's connected to the Net? Someone in one of the network abuse
newsgroups tried it recently as a test. The answer: His test machine was
hit - on a dial-up connection - within two SECONDS.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Digital: Motives for upgrade

2004-01-12 Thread Steve Desjardins
Most here seem to agree that the firmware upgrade is a big improvement
for the *istD.   I tried some real shooting over the weekend with my Tak
Bay 135 2.5 and the green button rapidely became a comfortable shooting
style.  Which of the following scenarios do you think best fits Pentax's
motives:

1. They actually planned to have the *ist D work like this but wanted
to release the camera before they were able to implement the green
button meter

2a.  They rather cluelessly though no one would care about the
difficulty of using K/M lenses on the *istD and when they saw some fuss
they said Gee, sorry, we can fix that . . .

2b. They rather cluelessly though no one would care about the
difficulty of using K/M lenses on the *istD and when someone suggested
they could use the DOF preview button they said Wow, what a good
idea.

3. With ruthless corporate thinking they tried to coerce people into
buying more new lenses but realized they could sell more istD bodies if
they fixed it.  Or, they were afraid that the loss of compatibility
might cause enough folks to switch to Canon.

4. The folks who want to use K/M lenses have no real impact on business
but when Pentax had the time to get a round to it they found a
work-around with the green button as a favor to long time loyal
users..  The mechanical coupler is gone because it just doesn't really
matter anymore in the big picture.


Part of me wants to say 3 but in all honesty I think they would have
done better business-wise to stay the course and push folks into buying
more new lenses.  I'm leaning toward 2a or 2b, with 4 close behind.



FS Tamron lenses and Camera backpack

2004-01-12 Thread Paul Eriksson
Tamron 28-80mm f/3.5-5.6 LN- with hood, caps and uv filter  $30
Tamron 80-210mm f/4.5-5.6 LN- new with hood, caps and uv filter  $30
Tamrac 5273 Expedition 3 Ex+  $20
/Paul

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Good database for wedding clients?

2004-01-12 Thread Chris Brogden

A friend of mine who shoots 10-20 weddings a year is looking for
recommendations for a good database program to let her keep track of
client info for the next 10+ years.  It will be for pre-wedding info as
well, so it needs to be able to record all the stuff photographers need to
know about the clients and their requirements.  It needs to be searchable
by client name, date, etc., and able to be sorted according to those
fields (ie. can call up every wedding from a particular year, or shot at a
particular location).

I imagine most db programs can do this, but she's not very computer
literate, so it would be nice to have software designed for this purpose,
with the templates already made.  It doesn't have to be free/shareware
(though that would be nice), but it can't cost $500 either.  She's hoping
to spend under $100.

Any recommendations?

Thanks!

chris



Re: Pizza Sign

2004-01-12 Thread Frits Wüthrich
I thought Giuliani was the former mayor of NYC, or is it correct in
English and it can be anyone who had the position in the past, not just
the last one?


On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 14:44, Steve Desjardins wrote:
 There is a great story that the former mayor of NY Ed Koch went into a
 restaurant   (one sunny day).  Another patron walked up to him, poked
 him in the chest and said you were a terrible mayor.  Ed promptly
 relied in a loud voice  you, to the applause of the rest of the
 restaurant.  
 
 
 Steven Desjardins
 Department of Chemistry
 Washington and Lee University
 Lexington, VA 24450
 (540) 458-8873
 FAX: (540) 458-8878
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/12/04 08:16AM 
 Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 We all held our breath as Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 uttered:
 
  http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/images/nypizza.html
 
 Nice neon.
 Just out of curiosity, What is a New York City style pizza?
 
 When you open the box, the pizza tells you to go %#% yourself!
 ;-)
-- 
Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Used DSLR prices

2004-01-12 Thread Christian

- Original Message - 
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Dealers are flogging off the Sigma SD-9 brand new for not much more than
that
 (anybody actually ever seen one of these??)

Seen and touched, but not used.  Back in the day, I was about to switch
brands to Sigma because they offered a ton of features in their SLRs for a
good price.  I'm glad I didn't because I never would have met you clowns!

Christian
Not flogging off for the record...



Re: Pizza Sign

2004-01-12 Thread Steve Desjardins
Anyone who has held the position is refereed to as a former or past
mayor.  For example, Clinton, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr., are all
referred to former presidents.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



re: boat, was: Unusual subjects to photo now OT

2004-01-12 Thread Tom Reese
Bob W wrote:

  In central London all building work has to have the archaeologists in
  first so the builders don't destroy stuff. If valuable relics are found
  then the building plans can be changed to enforce the preservation.
  Many modern buildings in the City have basements open to the public
  where you can go and look at the finds in situ.

Bob, that stuff is interesting to me. They had a program on the tv here in
the US about the huge graveyard full of plague victims that they found in
London.

Once in a while the US news networks report that unexploded WWII bombs were
found. Is that something that happens often?

I work in construction but we've never found anything except old bulkheads
and chunks of concrete.

Tom Reese




Re: Pizza Sign

2004-01-12 Thread Keith Whaley
The use of the title former mayor is correct, Frits. . .
So long as he's not the current mayor, he is a former mayor - so that
would apply to Koch as well as Mr. Giuliani..
Just like my former wife.
The former wife I still talk to prefers that title to ex-wife for some
reason!  g

keith whaley

Frits Wüthrich wrote:
 
 I thought Giuliani was the former mayor of NYC, or is it correct in
 English and it can be anyone who had the position in the past, not just
 the last one?
 
 On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 14:44, Steve Desjardins wrote:
  There is a great story that the former mayor of NY Ed Koch went into a
  restaurant   (one sunny day).  Another patron walked up to him, poked
  him in the chest and said you were a terrible mayor.  Ed promptly
  relied in a loud voice  you, to the applause of the rest of the
  restaurant.
 
 
  Steven Desjardins



Re: NOT IST*D: Blue filter usage

2004-01-12 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Ian bromehead wrote:
 

 

 
 I decided to invest a little in some simple filters after reading a few pop
 photo mags back issue. I just bought a few blue, yellow, warming, cloudy
 and will start to mess with 'em a little during the next few weeks. I'll go
 to
 the library to seek out decent writings on their usage, but I wonder if
 anyone remembers
 how to use these instead of pop down menu bar layer expertise in front
 Photoshop and a monitor.
 
 I'm sure there are some folks on this thread who'd have good ideas and URL
 suggestions to
 help a poor old film amateur.
 

Ian, if you are doing black and white, orange and
red are great for
darkening skies,sculpting clouds to make them
stand out more but also
for architectural detail on sunny days.  HElps
with doing photography
at a time of day when color photos fall flat
because the sun is so 
high in the sky

Yellow is nice for rainy days, too.
THe warming filter can give you that Maria
Cosindas look  in color.

Blues are for using daylight film under tungsten
light to color balance.

Of course, i have no clue about these
relationships with digital cameras -
I'm a KX, LX and older dark side cameras kinda
gal.

ann



Re: DIY Product table - results

2004-01-12 Thread graywolf
Looks like a lot of work just for a photo of a tape measure grin.

Nice, Kevin, very nice.

--

Kevin Waterson wrote:

And of course the url is...
http://www.oceania.net/light_table/
blush

--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway.



Re: DSLR future wish-list

2004-01-12 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

JF You missed the most important part:  ... complete with LCD.

JF I know I can trigger the shutter release - I don't even need a Palm
JF Pilot (or other PDA) for that.  I want to be able to look at the
JF resulting image, histogram display, etc.   I don't think we'll see
JF that on the *ist-D, but I'd like to see it on a future camera model.

Indeed I did miss that. That is I rather misunderstood you. You see,
the highest modern PDA can go is either 320x240 (soon to be 640x480 or
thereabouts) or 480x320... I don't know about you, but none of the
above looks any reasonable to me for the purpose in discussion. So it
kind of never occurred to me that you meant *that* g.

I think that if I were rich enough to buy *istD or similar, I'd also
buy big enough a card and shoot like crazy. Then I would review my
stuff on the screen of my PC. At least, it is 17 and can do 1600x1200
if I ask nicely g. It is 1152x864 by default...

But the most expensive MF digi backs use iPAQs as viewfinders and
such. So, I estimate in no more than two years, enablement of this
kind would be possible...

Boris

P.S. I just occurred to me that it would be Enablement of the third
kind - neither camera body, nor lens - a weird accessory g...



Re: Pizza Sign

2004-01-12 Thread Pat White
Good photo, and cool sign!  It reminded me of the Monster Donuts sign at the
corner Weston Road and Jane Street in Toronto, featuring Godzilla or one of
his kin munching a very large donut.  Unfortunately, the sign's no longer
there, and I never got a picture of it.

Pat White




Re: boat, was: Unusual subjects to photo now OT

2004-01-12 Thread Bob W
Hi,

 Bob, that stuff is interesting to me. They had a program on the tv here in
 the US about the huge graveyard full of plague victims that they found in
 London.

we have plague pits everywhere. It killed a lot of people and some
communities still have festivals every year to celebrate their
salvation - particularly well-dressings in Derbyshire, where they
garland the wells with flowers. I think the pit you're talking about
may have been at Spitalfields in London. This was formerly a medieval
hospital - hence the name and the pits full of bones.

The nearest plague pit to me that I know of is in Deptford, about 1.5 miles
away in the church of St. Nicholas. The great Christopher Marlowe was
thrown into the pit after he was murdered, and remains there to this
day. People are not inclined to open plague pits.

Here are some cheerful snaps of the church:
http://www.web-options.com/Nick1.jpg
http://www.web-options.com/Nick2.jpg
http://www.web-options.com/Nick3.jpg

This sort of thing is quite common here, and presumably also in other
parts of Europe. One of the interesting beneficial side-effects of the
plague in England was that as a result of so many deaths, demand for
agricultural labour outstripped supply, which led to significant improvements
in the power of the common man, the end of feudalism and the birth of
the idea of ordinary people having rights and freedoms.

 Once in a while the US news networks report that unexploded WWII bombs were
 found. Is that something that happens often?

Not so often any more. Still, we do find them occasionally. Greenwich,
where I live, and its neighbours Deptford, the Isle of Dogs and Woolwich,
were major targets during the war because of the docks. There is a
block of flats being completed just now by the river. I've walked
past it most days for the last 6 or 7 years. Last summer the path had
to be closed for a while because the builders found what was described
as 'ordnance' - an unexploded bomb - next to it.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob



Re: Digital: Motives for upgrade

2004-01-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

1. They actually planned to have the *ist D work like this but wanted
to release the camera before they were able to implement the green
button meter

2a.  They rather cluelessly though no one would care about the
difficulty of using K/M lenses on the *istD and when they saw some fuss
they said Gee, sorry, we can fix that . . .

2b. They rather cluelessly though no one would care about the
difficulty of using K/M lenses on the *istD and when someone suggested
they could use the DOF preview button they said Wow, what a good
idea.

3. With ruthless corporate thinking they tried to coerce people into
buying more new lenses but realized they could sell more istD bodies if
they fixed it.  Or, they were afraid that the loss of compatibility
might cause enough folks to switch to Canon.

4. The folks who want to use K/M lenses have no real impact on business
but when Pentax had the time to get a round to it they found a
work-around with the green button as a favor to long time loyal
users..  The mechanical coupler is gone because it just doesn't really
matter anymore in the big picture.

4!!!




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: FS: Excellent+ PZ-1p kit, 28-105 powerzoom, AF 500 FTZ flash

2004-01-12 Thread Josh Goodman
Joe, would you consider selling the grip strap by itself?  I've been looking
for one for a long time.  I've had one backordered at BH for 2 1/2 months
and I'm tired of waiting.  It's 69.95 new at BH, so how about $50 including
s/h?

Josh



Re: Pizza Sign

2004-01-12 Thread Frits Wüthrich
Thanks for this. 


On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 19:55, Keith Whaley wrote:
 The use of the title former mayor is correct, Frits. . .
 So long as he's not the current mayor, he is a former mayor - so that
 would apply to Koch as well as Mr. Giuliani..
 Just like my former wife.
 The former wife I still talk to prefers that title to ex-wife for some
 reason!  g
 
 keith whaley
 
 Frits Wüthrich wrote:
  
  I thought Giuliani was the former mayor of NYC, or is it correct in
  English and it can be anyone who had the position in the past, not just
  the last one?
  
  On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 14:44, Steve Desjardins wrote:
   There is a great story that the former mayor of NY Ed Koch went into a
   restaurant   (one sunny day).  Another patron walked up to him, poked
   him in the chest and said you were a terrible mayor.  Ed promptly
   relied in a loud voice  you, to the applause of the rest of the
   restaurant.
  
  
   Steven Desjardins
 
-- 
Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Pizza Sign

2004-01-12 Thread Frits Wüthrich
So 'a former' and 'the former' have the same meaning in this respect? 

On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 19:50, Steve Desjardins wrote:
 Anyone who has held the position is refereed to as a former or past
 mayor.  For example, Clinton, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr., are all
 referred to former presidents.
 
 
 Steven Desjardins
 Department of Chemistry
 Washington and Lee University
 Lexington, VA 24450
 (540) 458-8873
 FAX: (540) 458-8878
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- 
Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: boat, was: Unusual subjects to photo now OT

2004-01-12 Thread Frits Wüthrich
On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 20:57, Bob W wrote:

  Once in a while the US news networks report that unexploded WWII bombs were
  found. Is that something that happens often?
 
 Not so often any more. Still, we do find them occasionally. Greenwich,
 where I live, and its neighbours Deptford, the Isle of Dogs and Woolwich,
 were major targets during the war because of the docks. There is a
 block of flats being completed just now by the river. I've walked
 past it most days for the last 6 or 7 years. Last summer the path had
 to be closed for a while because the builders found what was described
 as 'ordnance' - an unexploded bomb - next to it.
This also happens in the Netherlands from time to time. People in
neighburhoods surrounding the site are evacuated, sometimes the
railroads and highways are closed for a short while. As the bombs get
older it is getting more dangerous. Also we have places where complete
bombers and their crew crashed into the sea, areas which are now
reclaimed land. Very often this is left alone out of respect, or
carefully removed, the families informed, and the bodies burried.
A lot of planes on their way to Germany or their way back to England
didn't make it.
-- 
Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Used DSLR prices

2004-01-12 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Cotty wrote:

 I think all here who bought the *ist D would be very reluctant to sell in
 a year's time. Even in two.

Yes, but for different reasons than D60 owners.

:-P

Kostas



Re: Pizza Sign

2004-01-12 Thread Keith Whaley


Frits Wüthrich wrote:
 
 So 'a former' and 'the former' have the same meaning in this respect?

Yes. 
In English, the only difference would be, the former could mean there
were no others, but allows for more.

By saying the former mayor you eliminate any other possibilities as to
who you mean.
It somehow adds a little importance to the position. And to anyone who
held that position. Makes him a little bigger, more important. He
certainly wasn't the dog-catcher!  g

A former give this person no discinction at all. He's just one of many
holding office. A former mayor might be distinguished for other
reasons, so they just mention that that was one of his titles, but
admits of no particular importance.

keith whaley
 
 On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 19:50, Steve Desjardins wrote:
  Anyone who has held the position is refered to as a former or past
  mayor.  For example, Clinton, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr., are all
  referred to former presidents.
 
 
  Steven Desjardins
  Department of Chemistry
  Washington and Lee University
  Lexington, VA 24450
  (540) 458-8873
  FAX: (540) 458-8878
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 --
 Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: boat, was: Unusual subjects to photo now OT

2004-01-12 Thread Keith Whaley


Bob W wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
  Bob, that stuff is interesting to me. They had a program on the tv here in
  the US about the huge graveyard full of plague victims that they found in
  London.
 
 we have plague pits everywhere. It killed a lot of people and some
 communities still have festivals every year to celebrate their
 salvation - particularly well-dressings in Derbyshire, where they
 garland the wells with flowers. 

[. . .]

 This sort of thing is quite common here, and presumably also in other
 parts of Europe. One of the interesting beneficial side-effects of the
 plague in England was that as a result of so many deaths, demand for
 agricultural labour outstripped supply, which led to significant improvements
 in the power of the common man, the end of feudalism and the birth of
 the idea of ordinary people having rights and freedoms.

That's quite interesting! I never thought of it that way. Must have been
asleep during that portion of my history lessons.

When in Vienna one time, I visited a catacomb, under a cathedral I
think, wherein tens of thousands of bones lie, all separated into
femurs, skulls, humerous's, and such. Each bone had it's own place, and
all skulls here, all femurs there, so neatly stacked. . .

keith whaley



Re: Chromes

2004-01-12 Thread Rebekah Gonzalez
Thanks very much.  I think I lean towards Kodak, and the more information I
get on it, the more I like it.  Meet? I heard there is a national meet
somewhere, sometime, but I don't know anything about it. Maybe you could
tell me about it, please?
Rebekah
a day without sunshine is like, you know, night.

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: Chromes,was: Hi there


 
   Hi
   For Chrome film,some of us TOPDMLers like Kodak 100vs.I also like the
Fuji
  Provia 100.
  
   Dave
  
  Are those slide films? What is the difference between the two, in your
  opinion?
  
   Rebekah
a day without sunshine is like, you know, night.
 
 Yes they are slide films.Doing an unscientific,side bt each comparison,i
and several
 others find the VS
 to be a BIT more saturated,nicer blues in frames with a lot of sky.
 We had a chance to compare the Fuji and the Kodak at our last meet in
November,using fall
 colours,shot my Jeff,using the Bronica RF645 on the same day and sites,
and everyone of
 the group
 of 4 picked the VS as better.
 BTW it appears the meter on his RF645 is bang on.

 Hope that helps.

 Dave






Re: Pizza Sign

2004-01-12 Thread Steve Desjardins
Also, of course, Ed Koch is rather well known and was mayor for quite a
while.  I have no real idea of how well known the mayor of NY is outside
of the Northeast or the East Coast or the US.  Mr. Giuliani is of course
well known because of events on 9/11.

BTW, I real do like the sign and the picture of it.  I've always
thought that movie is one of the great images of NY.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



RE: *ist D resolution (was:Soon to be new istD owners)

2004-01-12 Thread Jens Bladt
Hi Rob
Hmmm. Not so sure about how to test lens resolution on film.
I'm sure 100 linepairs pr. mm has been occationally achieved on film. In
those days the lenses was often setting the limmits. As opposed to todays
technology where the CCD are setting the limits. Hav you ever seen digital
images blown up to - let's say - 1200 x 1800mm. Like in a slide show. Or a
moovie - made with 35mm film.

Simple math tels me that 3000 pixel covering 24mm gives 125 pixel/mm. But
you need three to make a PAIR of lines. Gives you appr. 43 line pairs/mm,
right. So, using a 6MP body is like using the poorest lens ever made by
Pentax - resoluton wise, of cource.

Like 100 lp/mm seemed to be the sound wall of analog photography, it seems
appr. 5000 dpi is the sound wall of current digital photography. But I'm
sure they'll break throug this sometime soon. SONY is now marketing a 8MP
consumer camera - with a 2.0 Carl Zeiss lens - for appr. 1000$ (Sony DSC
F-828). Maybe we'll get there earlier than we relly want. My old faithful
PZ1 has served me well for 12 years. How long do you think my Pentax *ist D
will keep up - 2 years, 3 years? By the way - did  you ever think about
this - the digital photographic technology pretty much works like the human
eye?

All the best
Jens


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 11. januar 2004 23:56
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: *ist D resolution (was:Soon to be new istD owners)


On 11 Jan 2004 at 11:26, Herb Chong wrote:

 i don't know where you read that. there are a few sensors in use as
digital
 backs that have that kind of dynamic range, but not the sensors in DSLRs.

I'll eventually put up a page like I did for my Oly with my findings on this
matter, see: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/contrast/

 as for resolution, the conditions under which you can reliably achieve 100
 line pairs per mm are when shooting resolution charts under high contrast
 conditions with very high resolution film on a tripod at high shutter
speeds
 with a top lens at its optimum aperture and focus bracketed.

It's not actually that difficult if you have gear that it well matched.

 the reason digital cameras can compete is that under real life conditions,
 few people can possibly exceed 40 line pairs per mm worth of resolution
and that
 a digital SLR has negible amounts of noise compared to film even at higher
ISO
 ratings.

The *ist D sensor provides a theoretical 128 pixels per mm after demosaicing
however in practical terms the body can only resolve between 45 and 50 lpmm,
which is very close to what I expected. This figure I derived using
bracketed
focus on a technical target with optics that should provide well over
100lpmm
on film.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: DIY Product table - results

2004-01-12 Thread Kevin Waterson
With a song in his heart, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You know you could probably build a few of these
 things and sell them on eBay to other people who sell things on eBay. 

My wife said something similar, although I perhaps I would not use such
a sturdy framework. From my engineering days our motto was Build it
like a brick s**t house, then re-inforce it, and true to this I went
for a bit of overkill on the construction. It could easily have been
made from lighter timber.

An addition I may make at a later date is to put a sheet of glass
beneath the acrylic sheet to support more weight. Or perhaps a
thick piece of acrylic.

Kind regards
Kevin


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Great quote snarfed off Usenet

2004-01-12 Thread Mark Roberts
I consider myself a technical expert: I know exactly why my pictures
come out junk.

;-)

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



RE: *ist D resolution (was:Soon to be new istD owners)

2004-01-12 Thread Rob Studdert
On 12 Jan 2004 at 22:28, Jens Bladt wrote:

 Hi Rob
 Hmmm. Not so sure about how to test lens resolution on film.
 I'm sure 100 linepairs pr. mm has been occationally achieved on film.

Hi Jens,

Plenty of resources here: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/lenstesting/

 Simple math tels me that 3000 pixel covering 24mm gives 125 pixel/mm. But
 you need three to make a PAIR of lines. Gives you appr. 43 line pairs/mm,
 right. So, using a 6MP body is like using the poorest lens ever made by
 Pentax - resoluton wise, of cource.

Sure, the Kell factor in this case appears to be about 0.7 therefore the 
resolution in lpmm can effectively be calculated as 
3008pixels/23.5mm/2pixels*0.7kell factor=44.8lpmm. I used a conventional test 
chart in conjunction with a very high resolution lens in order to reduce it's 
effect on the measurement and I calculated an optical resolution of 44.6lpmm 
and this was before I made any theoretical calculations.

 Like 100 lp/mm seemed to be the sound wall of analog photography, it seems
 appr. 5000 dpi is the sound wall of current digital photography. But I'm
 sure they'll break throug this sometime soon. SONY is now marketing a 8MP
 consumer camera - with a 2.0 Carl Zeiss lens - for appr. 1000$ (Sony DSC
 F-828). Maybe we'll get there earlier than we relly want.

I don't think so, I doubt there will be that much to gain by making smaller 
pixels, look at the noise generated by the Pentax *istD at higher ISO already. 
Smaller pixels will reduce the effective exposure latitude, colour accuracy and 
increase the noise floor. By many accounts the F-828 offers more promises than 
performance.

 My old faithful
 PZ1 has served me well for 12 years. How long do you think my Pentax *ist D
 will keep up - 2 years, 3 years? 

You are probably right, 2-3 years, the *ist D isn't an ideal solution, nor is 
the Canon 1Ds, the Kodak comes closest at 14MP as it offers the same effective 
lpmm as the Pentax but using the full frame. Unfortunately it was before it's 
time technology wise however I am sure that it would be all that most 
photographers would ever require resolution wise. I don't think we'll see 
24x36mm sensors with higher densities any time soon.

 By the way - did  you ever think about
 this - the digital photographic technology pretty much works like the human
 eye?

I think it may be a while before we are doing image capture Matrix style :-)

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: DSLR future wish-list

2004-01-12 Thread John Francis
 
 Hi!
 
 JF You missed the most important part:  ... complete with LCD.
 
 JF I know I can trigger the shutter release - I don't even need a Palm
 JF Pilot (or other PDA) for that.  I want to be able to look at the
 JF resulting image, histogram display, etc.   I don't think we'll see
 JF that on the *ist-D, but I'd like to see it on a future camera model.
 
 Indeed I did miss that. That is I rather misunderstood you. You see,
 the highest modern PDA can go is either 320x240 (soon to be 640x480 or
 thereabouts) or 480x320... I don't know about you, but none of the
 above looks any reasonable to me for the purpose in discussion. So it
 kind of never occurred to me that you meant *that* g.
 
 I think that if I were rich enough to buy *istD or similar, I'd also
 buy big enough a card and shoot like crazy. Then I would review my
 stuff on the screen of my PC. At least, it is 17 and can do 1600x1200
 if I ask nicely g. It is 1152x864 by default...

That's not a lot of good when I'm 400 miles from home, and my camera
is about 20' away from me on a bracket (and somewhere where I'm not
allowed to stand).  I'm just looking for a remote equivalent of the
LCD screen on the back of the camera, which is perfectly good enough
for checking exposure with the histogram, and something I don't want
to give up if I don't have to.  That's the purpose under discussion,
and I think even a 320x240 PDA would be good enough for that.

The instant exposure check with the histogram (and even focus check by
zooming in to part of the resultant image) is a valuable part of the
benefits from a digital camera, and not something to discard lightly.



Re: *ist D resolution (was:Soon to be new istD owners)

2004-01-12 Thread John Francis
 
 Simple math tels me that 3000 pixel covering 24mm gives 125 pixel/mm. But
 you need three to make a PAIR of lines.

Sigh.  Here we go again.

You need two pixels (one black, one white) to make a pair of lines
(also one black, one white). So 3000 pixels in 24mm is 62.5 lp/mm.



Re: OT: That Shot was: Pizza Sign

2004-01-12 Thread frank theriault
Don't you hate that, Pat?

I never got a picture of it.  And now it's gone.  I hate missing 
opportunities like that.

You've reminded me of something, and now I shall ramble a bit:

A bar here in Toronto on Gerrard near Parliament (sort of a British style 
pub) used to have a derelict old Jag (I think it was a Mark IV saloon as I 
believe the Brits call sedans - but someone can correct me if I'm wrong on 
either the Mark IV or the saloon).  There was something alluring about it, 
and I probably took dozens of pics of it over the years:

http://urbancaravan.com/images/cabbagetown_jaguar.JPG

http://urbancaravan.com/images/jag_grill.jpg

http://urbancaravan.com/images/jag_peeking.jpg

The scan of the first one is especially bad, even for me g, but those are 
just three of many shots.  I never did get that one.  You know, sometimes 
you take a shot of something, you know it's perfect, and you either know you 
need not shoot it again, because you'll never get it better, or in the 
alternative, you try shooting it again, but never quite capture that magic 
again.  Well, I never got that shot of the Jag, and after several years of 
grabbing shots of it, I decided one day to try again, and it was gone.  I 
was actually a bit sad.  I know it sounds odd, but I felt like I had some 
sort of relationship with that car.  Ah well.  At least I got some decent 
(if not perfect) shots of it.

cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Pat White [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pizza Sign
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:37:22 -0800
Good photo, and cool sign!  It reminded me of the Monster Donuts sign at 
the
corner Weston Road and Jane Street in Toronto, featuring Godzilla or one of
his kin munching a very large donut.  Unfortunately, the sign's no longer
there, and I never got a picture of it.

Pat White


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Re: Woo-hoo-DOH!

2004-01-12 Thread frank theriault
Very cool, Mark (pun intended - get it?  Snowflakes?  Cool?  Okay, I didn't 
say it was either a good or a clever pun... g).  Let me add my congrats!

cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Woo-hoo-DOH!
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:56:16 -0800
Hi Mark ...

Congratulations ... feels nice, doesn't it ;-))

 MC I finally got my 15 minutes and likened myself to Homer Simpson 
(DOH!
 MC Slapping forehead..)

 MC http://www.newhouse.com/archive/sefton010604.html

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Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-12 Thread Nick Clark
I too have the one for the MZ-S with two front sections, but compared to the MX 
version it can't be described as close-fitting.

Nick

-Original Message-
From: wendy beard[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12/01/04 04:13:57
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

At 05:28 PM 10/01/2004 -0500, you wrote:

Unfortunately Pentax seem to have given up making close fitting ERCs. Too 
many combinations now I suppose.

Nick.

No they haven't. I have one for my MZ-S


Wendy Beard,
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.beard-redfern.com





Re: OT: That Shot was: Pizza Sign

2004-01-12 Thread Keith Whaley
My, what an abused ol' Jag!
It would have cost about $8 to 10k or so to bring it back to some kind
of shape.
Darned near bought one like that. in San Francisco. Romantic town, to be
driving around in a big old black Jag Saloon, all polished up!
What a kick!
I think fortunately I never did buy it. . . g

It would cost a mint for upkeep! Especially since I wouldn't leave it
with just anyone to work on it.

Nice memories, tho'.

keith whaley

frank theriault wrote:
 
 Don't you hate that, Pat?
 
 I never got a picture of it.  And now it's gone.  I hate missing
 opportunities like that.
 
 You've reminded me of something, and now I shall ramble a bit:
 
 A bar here in Toronto on Gerrard near Parliament (sort of a British style
 pub) used to have a derelict old Jag (I think it was a Mark IV saloon as I
 believe the Brits call sedans - but someone can correct me if I'm wrong on
 either the Mark IV or the saloon).  There was something alluring about it,
 and I probably took dozens of pics of it over the years:
 
 http://urbancaravan.com/images/cabbagetown_jaguar.JPG
 
 http://urbancaravan.com/images/jag_grill.jpg
 
 http://urbancaravan.com/images/jag_peeking.jpg
 
 The scan of the first one is especially bad, even for me g, but those are
 just three of many shots.  I never did get that one.  You know, sometimes
 you take a shot of something, you know it's perfect, and you either know you
 need not shoot it again, because you'll never get it better, or in the
 alternative, you try shooting it again, but never quite capture that magic
 again.  Well, I never got that shot of the Jag, and after several years of
 grabbing shots of it, I decided one day to try again, and it was gone.  I
 was actually a bit sad.  I know it sounds odd, but I felt like I had some
 sort of relationship with that car.  Ah well.  At least I got some decent
 (if not perfect) shots of it.
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
 The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist
 fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
 
 From: Pat White [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Pizza Sign
 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:37:22 -0800
 
 Good photo, and cool sign!  It reminded me of the Monster Donuts sign at
 the
 corner Weston Road and Jane Street in Toronto, featuring Godzilla or one of
 his kin munching a very large donut.  Unfortunately, the sign's no longer
 there, and I never got a picture of it.
 
 Pat White
 
 
 
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Re: OT: Binoculars?

2004-01-12 Thread Rfsindg
Rob,

I recently bought my wife a Pentax DCF 8*42 HRII.  They are considerably less 
expensive than the DCF 8*43 SP and waterproof too.  Close focus is the only apparent 
difference.  See the Pentax USA site to compare 3 models side by side.

I really like the brightness of the binoculars.  The 8*42/43 and 10*50's are great on 
brightness and long eye relief for eye-glasses wearers.

Regards,  Bob S.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Thinking about the DCF 8*43 SP which replace the 'old' 8*42 WP.  The
 WP's were said by some to be amongst the finest binoculars in the world.
 Anyone have any experience of the SP's?  They are supposed to be
 brighter, smaller, lighter and focus closer!
 
 Also, in the more compact arena does anyone have any suggestions?  I
 don't think I will go for any of these because the brightness is likely
 to be much poorer, but may eventually got some as a second 
 pair...



Re: I want a FA 28-105mm f/3.2-4.5 AL IF...BUT NOT IN SILVER!

2004-01-12 Thread Albert F.
Good question. I've been wondering about that one for a while. I've see
black 28-105 on BH website shortly after they began selling the lens. They
sold out quickly and never appeared again. Maybe writing to BH or Adorama
customer service to inquire about the possibility of ordering the lens
directly from foreign Pentax distributor will help.

Best regards,
Albert




Re: *ist D resolution (was:Soon to be new istD owners)

2004-01-12 Thread Jostein
- Original Message - 
From: John Francis replying to Jens Bladt
 
  Simple math tels me that 3000 pixel covering 24mm gives 125 pixel/mm.
But
  you need three to make a PAIR of lines.

 Sigh.  Here we go again.

 You need two pixels (one black, one white) to make a pair of lines
 (also one black, one white). So 3000 pixels in 24mm is 62.5 lp/mm.


Jens, I take it you think of three adjacent sensors in RGB.

Before you measure lp/mm, you have to interpolate (Bayer) the data for each
pixel with data from the adjacent sensors.

John, (or Rob or anyone...)
This may be a stupid question, but is the relationship between lp/mm and
sensors as straightforward as two adjacent sensors equal to one line pair,
irrespective of sensor colour?


cheers,
Jostein



Re: I want a FA 28-105mm f/3.2-4.5 AL IF...BUT NOT IN SILVER!

2004-01-12 Thread Rfsindg
Look on ebay.  They are available there.
Bob S.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I've read many good things about the lens in the subject line.  I am considering 
 making this the standard lens for an
 MZ-S of which I am awaiting shipment.  This lens is apparently made in black, as 
 well as silver, but the the silver
 appears to be the only version imported to the US.  If I understand the Pentax 
 Germany website, the black version can be
 obtained there, but the German price is significantly higher (289 Euros).  Is it 
 possible to get the black version in
 the US without paying a high (in excess of 15% of the 
 silver price) premium?



10mpx step child

2004-01-12 Thread Shel Belinkoff
So what's up with the Sigma SD-10?  It's reported to be a 10+ mpx dslr,
yet it's rarely if ever mentioned here.  is there some about it that
makes it a dog, or is it one of those unrecognized and under appreciated
cameras that we sometimes hear about too late?



RE: 10mpx step child

2004-01-12 Thread Amita Guha
 -Original Message-
 From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 So what's up with the Sigma SD-10?  It's reported to be a 10+ 
 mpx dslr, yet it's rarely if ever mentioned here.  is there 
 some about it that makes it a dog, or is it one of those 
 unrecognized and under appreciated cameras that we sometimes 
 hear about too late?

I think it has its own proprietary mount, which would make it
unattractive to me at least. It's a shame, because the camera appears to
have some great features.



Re: 10mpx step child

2004-01-12 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Shel,

First and foremost to me, is that it only uses Sigma's proprietary
mount for lenses.  That means the only lenses you can ever get for
this one are from Sigma.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce



Monday, January 12, 2004, 3:51:09 PM, you wrote:

SB So what's up with the Sigma SD-10?  It's reported to be a 10+ mpx dslr,
SB yet it's rarely if ever mentioned here.  is there some about it that
SB makes it a dog, or is it one of those unrecognized and under appreciated
SB cameras that we sometimes hear about too late?





Re: Excellent+ PZ-1p kit, 28-105 powerzoom, AF 500 FTZ flash

2004-01-12 Thread Hal Sandra Davis
I may be interested in your Z1P kit. Do you have any photos to show us
condition? How much i.e. rolls of film shot etc.?
- Original Message - 
From: Joe Wilensky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 9:03 AM
Subject: FS: Excellent+ PZ-1p kit, 28-105 powerzoom, AF 500 FTZ flash


 FS: PZ-1p, purchased last year from KEH in EX+ condition. I'm
 offering it together with the original instruction manual, a full
 case and a bottom half of a case, and the grip strap (grip strap in
 EX condition -- just the lettering PENTAX is slightly worn). Kit
 will ship with a couple of new 2CR5 batteries. Camera works
 beautifully, has all its covers, and is in beautiful condition.

 The package also includes an EX+ condition FA 28-105 power zoom lens
 with a hard case (generic brand) and an AF 500 FTZ flash (good
 condition, works fine) with instruction manual.

 http://people.clarityconnect.com/webpages/wilensky/eBay/PZ-1p.jpg
 http://people.clarityconnect.com/webpages/wilensky/eBay/PZ-1p_front.jpg
 http://people.clarityconnect.com/webpages/wilensky/eBay/PZ-1p_top.jpg
 http://people.clarityconnect.com/webpages/wilensky/eBay/PZ-1p_grip.jpg

 Prices include shipping/insurance in the continental U.S., and I'll
 kick in a bit toward shipping costs overseas. Prices: $425 for PZ-1p
 with grip strap/batteries/case, $125 for the 28-105 zoom. $125 for
 the flash if other parts of the kit are purchased.

 Joe

 -- 

 Joe Wilensky
 Staff Writer
 Communication and Marketing Services
 1150 Comstock Hall
 Cornell University
 Ithaca, NY 14853-2601

 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 tel: 607-255-1575
 fax: 607-255-9873




Re: Excellent+ PZ-1p kit, 28-105 powerzoom, AF 500 FTZ flash

2004-01-12 Thread Hal Sandra Davis
Do you have manuals for everything?
- Original Message - 
From: Joe Wilensky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 9:03 AM
Subject: FS: Excellent+ PZ-1p kit, 28-105 powerzoom, AF 500 FTZ flash


 FS: PZ-1p, purchased last year from KEH in EX+ condition. I'm 
 offering it together with the original instruction manual, a full 
 case and a bottom half of a case, and the grip strap (grip strap in 
 EX condition -- just the lettering PENTAX is slightly worn). Kit 
 will ship with a couple of new 2CR5 batteries. Camera works 
 beautifully, has all its covers, and is in beautiful condition.
 
 The package also includes an EX+ condition FA 28-105 power zoom lens 
 with a hard case (generic brand) and an AF 500 FTZ flash (good 
 condition, works fine) with instruction manual.
 
 http://people.clarityconnect.com/webpages/wilensky/eBay/PZ-1p.jpg
 http://people.clarityconnect.com/webpages/wilensky/eBay/PZ-1p_front.jpg
 http://people.clarityconnect.com/webpages/wilensky/eBay/PZ-1p_top.jpg
 http://people.clarityconnect.com/webpages/wilensky/eBay/PZ-1p_grip.jpg
 
 Prices include shipping/insurance in the continental U.S., and I'll 
 kick in a bit toward shipping costs overseas. Prices: $425 for PZ-1p 
 with grip strap/batteries/case, $125 for the 28-105 zoom. $125 for 
 the flash if other parts of the kit are purchased.
 
 Joe
 
 -- 
 
 Joe Wilensky
 Staff Writer
 Communication and Marketing Services
 1150 Comstock Hall
 Cornell University
 Ithaca, NY 14853-2601
 
 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 tel: 607-255-1575
 fax: 607-255-9873
 



Re: Good database for wedding clients?

2004-01-12 Thread Herb Chong
she wants contact management software, not a database. Act! is one that i
hear a lot of good things about. it's not specific to photographic uses and
i don't see why she needs something that is that specific.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 11:13 AM
Subject: Good database for wedding clients?



 A friend of mine who shoots 10-20 weddings a year is looking for
 recommendations for a good database program to let her keep track of
 client info for the next 10+ years.  It will be for pre-wedding info as
 well, so it needs to be able to record all the stuff photographers need to
 know about the clients and their requirements.  It needs to be searchable
 by client name, date, etc., and able to be sorted according to those
 fields (ie. can call up every wedding from a particular year, or shot at a
 particular location).





Re: 10mpx step child

2004-01-12 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: 10mpx step child


 So what's up with the Sigma SD-10?  It's reported to be a 10+ mpx dslr,
 yet it's rarely if ever mentioned here.  is there some about it that
 makes it a dog, or is it one of those unrecognized and under appreciated
 cameras that we sometimes hear about too late?

Well, to start with, it's not a Pentax, so right away it is off topic.
Not that this has ever stopped us.
I suppose no one here gets penis envy over a Sigma like we do over a Nikon
or Canon.

William Robb



Re: *ist D resolution (was:Soon to be new istD owners)

2004-01-12 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Jens Bladt
Subject: RE: *ist D resolution (was:Soon to be new istD owners)



with 35mm film.

 Simple math tels me that 3000 pixel covering 24mm gives 125 pixel/mm. But
 you need three to make a PAIR of lines. Gives you appr. 43 line pairs/mm,
 right. So, using a 6MP body is like using the poorest lens ever made by
 Pentax - resoluton wise, of cource.

You show me any lens anywhere that can do significantly better than 43lppm
under real world (not high res test target) situations.
With digital capture, there is no resolution loss when subject contrast
drops, unlike film..
The thing about film and lenses is that they increase in resolving power as
contrast increases.
Thats why people like to look at the 1000:1 TOC numbers.
In the real world, a TOC of 1.6:1 is considered closer to normal, and 43
lppm is very good indeed.

William Robb



Re: Digital: Motives for upgrade

2004-01-12 Thread Herb Chong
market analysts today reported that Kodak's film sales, excluding
disposables, was down about 17.6% from a year ago, and that Fuji's film
sales, excluding disposables, dropped by 25.8%. both of these drops were
larger than expected.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 1:13 PM
Subject: RE: Digital: Motives for upgrade


 Hi Jim
 I think a lot of us have had similar considerations. Sticking to film
isn't
 such a bad idea. Digital photography still has a long way to go. 3000 dots
 in a 24 mm CCD still equals just 3000 dpi. Printed in - let's just say -
300
 dpi - still just gives you a 240 mm print (a prin sized 160 x240mm = less
 than A4). Any size above that requires the computer or printer to invent
 pixels, that were not in the scene you shot. A 35mm neg can retain 78MP.
So
 waiting semms to be OK.




Re: *ist D resolution (was:Soon to be new istD owners)

2004-01-12 Thread John Francis
 
 John, (or Rob or anyone...)
 This may be a stupid question, but is the relationship between lp/mm and
 sensors as straightforward as two adjacent sensors equal to one line pair,
 irrespective of sensor colour?

Not quite, because the sensor colour does enter into it.

But if your stimulus pattern is black-and-white lines,
two sensors do equal one line pair, pretty much, if
the interpolation is done based just on intensity.

If, however, the stimulus is black-and-red (or black-
and-blue) lines, you only get half the spatial resolution,
so you need four sensors to get a distinguishable line pair.

Black-and-green falls somewhere in between.


In real life, of course, most patterns are lower-contrast
than all black/all white, so deliver lower than theoretical
maximum resolution.  But they tend to be closer to black-and-
white than to single-sensor colours, so the right limit to
use is the two-sensor-per-line-pair number.

It all depends on the input colours, the contrast ratio,
and most of all on the quality of the image reconstruction
algorithms (commonly referred to as Bayer interpolation).



Re: 10mpx step child

2004-01-12 Thread alex wetmore
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 So what's up with the Sigma SD-10?  It's reported to be a 10+ mpx dslr,
 yet it's rarely if ever mentioned here.  is there some about it that
 makes it a dog, or is it one of those unrecognized and under appreciated
 cameras that we sometimes hear about too late?

Well, this is a Pentax list.  I'm not sure why we would talk about
Sigma cameras (but that is more on topic than 50% of what is on this
list anyway...this list has really gone downhill).

The Sigma D-SLRs use 3.3mp sensors that capture full R, G, and B for
each pixel.  They are advertising this as a 10mp camera, but that is
not really true.  I personally think that the images compare pretty
well to 6mp D-SLRs but they are far short of what you see from the
11mp Canon.

I don't think that I would buy a camera from a 3rd party lens
manufacturer.  With a Pentax/Nikon/Canon/Minolta camera you can buy
lenses from many sources (Pentax, Sigma, Tokina, Tamron, etc).  With a
Sigma camera you can only buy lenses from Sigma.

alex



Re: 10mpx step child

2004-01-12 Thread John Francis
 
 So what's up with the Sigma SD-10?  It's reported to be a 10+ mpx dslr,
 yet it's rarely if ever mentioned here.  is there some about it that
 makes it a dog, or is it one of those unrecognized and under appreciated
 cameras that we sometimes hear about too late?

It's not really a 10+mpix dslr; it's a 3.3+mpix dslr, but one which
measures R,G  B values at every pixel (it uses the Foveon sensor).
Sigma call it a 10MP camera because it takes as many samples as a
digital camera with a 10MP Bayer-pattern sensor.

It doesn't have the spatial resolution of a 6MP *ist-D (or even a D2H),
but it doesn't suffer from chrominance aliasing or any of the other
artifacts created by Bayer interpolation.

For some purposes it will out-perform the *ist-D or the Nikon D2H.
On other subjects it won't perform much better than a 3.3MP Optio.




Re: Where can I get a grip strap for PZ1p?

2004-01-12 Thread greg
KEH has one. They list a base without a strap and also a grip strap, which
to my knowlege should mean the base and the strap (the strap won't work
without the base). Hopefully the link here will work, if not go to
www.keh.com an then used then 35 mm pentax then accesories, then grips.
Hope this helps
Greg Cooper


- Original Message -
From: Mark Stringer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML - Pentax (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 5:05 AM
Subject: Where can I get a grip strap for PZ1p?


 Where can I get a grip strap for PZ1p?

 Mark Stringer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Re: *ist D grab shot

2004-01-12 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Burnt out whites, it isn't properly focused?


  but what's strange about the image? :-)

 http://members.ozemail.com.au/~audiob/temp/_igp0874m.jpg



Re: Rain Picture

2004-01-12 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Frank,

I suppose, in great part, that's what photography is all about.
Like radio, it allows you to put yourself into the scene, into
the picture as it were.

There was a series of books many years ago called the
Foxfire Books.  In one volume a young woman was
interviewing a woman in her eighties, and asked if she
missed not having a television.  The older woman replied
that she didn't need a television, she had a fireplace.

Perhaps a photo is something like a fireplace ...

shel

frank theriault wrote:

  I imagine that she'd be great to great to
 sit down and have coffee or tea with;  she'd have some great life stories to
 tell.

 Like I said, I've no idea if my thoughts have much to do with reality, but
 those things are what I thought and felt when I looked at your photo.




Re: 10mpx step child

2004-01-12 Thread Butch Black
Plus it's the same 3.34 mp foveon chip that's in the SD-9. Since it doesn't
use the Bayer pattern interpolation they have gone on to call it a 10 mp
chip (3.34x3) Plus the lens mount issue plus the very high (@X)
magnification factor over 35mm. Check out DP review for more info.

Butch

Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.

Hermann Hesse (Demian)



Re: boat, was: Unusual subjects to photo now OT

2004-01-12 Thread frank theriault
Nah,

There's still lots of Goth places around Queen and Bathurst.  It would be 
fun to go down around there some night and shoot some of them.  I do like 
bw film and they'd look best in bw...

Thanks for the idea, Pat!  g

cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Pat White [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: boat, was: Unusual subjects to photo now OT
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:51:29 -0800
Frank, did you ever get a picture of Sanctuary, the vampire sex bar, on
Queen West?  When driving by late in the evening, I always chuckled at the
sight of the wannabe vampires with the white faces and the black lipstick.
Goth Central.  It saddened me when it became a Starbucks about three or 
four
years ago...

Pat White


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Re: Rain Picture

2004-01-12 Thread frank theriault
I can sit for hours in front of a fireplace or (even better) a campfire.  
Great analogy, that.

cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi Frank,

I suppose, in great part, that's what photography is all about.
Like radio, it allows you to put yourself into the scene, into
the picture as it were.
There was a series of books many years ago called the
Foxfire Books.  In one volume a young woman was
interviewing a woman in her eighties, and asked if she
missed not having a television.  The older woman replied
that she didn't need a television, she had a fireplace.
Perhaps a photo is something like a fireplace ...

shel

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Re: OT: Binoculars?

2004-01-12 Thread Keith Whaley
Hi Bob,

I have a set of the Olympus10 x 25 RC IIs. Love 'em!
Also known as Outback.
They too are bright and rubber coated, and exceptionally clear. Rubber
eye cups that roll back for eyeglass wearers.

keith whaley

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Rob,
 
 I recently bought my wife a Pentax DCF 8*42 HRII.  They are considerably less 
 expensive than the DCF 8*43 SP and waterproof too.  Close focus is the only apparent 
 difference.  See the Pentax USA site to compare 3 models side by side.
 
 I really like the brightness of the binoculars.  The 8*42/43 and 10*50's are great 
 on brightness and long eye relief for eye-glasses wearers.
 
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Thinking about the DCF 8*43 SP which replace the 'old' 8*42 WP.  The
  WP's were said by some to be amongst the finest binoculars in the world.
  Anyone have any experience of the SP's?  They are supposed to be
  brighter, smaller, lighter and focus closer!
 
  Also, in the more compact arena does anyone have any suggestions?  I
  don't think I will go for any of these because the brightness is likely
  to be much poorer, but may eventually got some as a second
  pair...



Re: Chromes,was: Hi there

2004-01-12 Thread Mark Cassino
A highly subjective, quick and dirty run down of the major Echtacrome slide 
films (ISO 100 and less):

Velvia: (ISO 50, many people shoot it at ISO 40): Delicious saturated 
colors, saturated but accurate, fine grained, high contrast (especially at 
ISO 50), narrow latitude,  the standard for many nature 
photographers.  Obviously, very slow.

Provia (ISO 100):  Fine grained, good color accuracy and saturation but 
rather low contrast. Decent latitude.  Also the standard for many nature 
photographers. I bought a brick of it last year - it's OK and I got some 
good shots using it.  I prefer the Kodak emulsions that are a bit punchier 
but would use Provia without a second thought if need be.

Kodak E10oG:  I've only shot one roll of this. It's said to be nearly 
identical to the E100S film that it replaced.  E100S was fine grained, had 
a bit more saturation and contrast than Provia (IMO), about the same 
latitude.  It's been my standard for serious work - I still have a brick in 
the freezer and will probably switch to E100G when it's gone.  What I like 
about this film is the color accuracy and saturation - when I look at the 
fine gradients in a bird's feathers, IMO E100S and Vevlia do the best job 
of capturing the subtle tonal changes.  But I miss too many bird shots with 
the slow shutter speeds with Velvia, so prefer E100S.

Kodak E100 VS: Very saturated, not quite as fine grained as E100S / E100G, 
higher contrast.  Can be a great film in the right conditions.  My #2 
choice after E100S.

Sensia: I've hardly ever used it so have no opinion.

Kodak Elite Chrome: Kodak's consumer ISO 100 standard saturation slide 
film.  Good stuff, great with reds, a little more grainy and less sharp 
than E100S.

Kodak Elite Chrome EBX:  The high saturation consumer slide film.  Wickedly 
sharp, somewhat grainy, very punchy colors and high contrast.

I've not used the Agfa RSX films for some time, but found them to be quite 
good a few yeas ago when I did try them out.

Hope this helps -

MCC

At 11:30 AM 1/12/2004 -0600, you wrote:
 
 Hi
 For Chrome film,some of us TOPDMLers like Kodak 100vs.I also like the Fuji
Provia 100.

 Dave

Are those slide films? What is the difference between the two, in your
opinion?

 Rebekah
  a day without sunshine is like, you know, night.
-

Mark Cassino Photography

Kalamazoo, MI

http://www.markcassino.com

-




Ducks

2004-01-12 Thread Rebekah Gonzalez
Hey, I'm going out to shoot pictures of ducks tomorrow at a nearby moat.
Water, pine trees and grass. Any tips and pointers? Please and thank you.
:o) Oh, and it will probably be either overcast and bright or sunny and
bright. Really bright.
Rebekah
a day without sunshine is like, you know, night.



Re: *ist D grab shot

2004-01-12 Thread Mark Cassino
You got painted ladies down in Oz?  (The butterflies of course...)

- MCC

At 12:15 PM 1/13/2004 +1000, you wrote:
I just made a hand-held grab shot of a butterfly on my brick wall using a
Lanthar 125/2.5 APO Macro lens. Camera was set at ISO800 exposure was 
1/125th @
f3.5 but what's strange about the image? :-)

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~audiob/temp/_igp0874m.jpg (220kB)

Also here is a later moon shot with optimum lens/tc combo and settings:

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~audiob/temp/imgp0618m.jpg (95kB)

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
-

Mark Cassino Photography

Kalamazoo, MI

http://www.markcassino.com

-




Re: Chromes,was: Hi there

2004-01-12 Thread Rebekah Gonzalez
Wow! Thanks so much.  I will definitely save that for future reference. What
kind of birds do you take pictures of? Is that a hobby or your job?
Rebekah
a day without sunshine is like, you know, night.

- Original Message -
From: Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: Chromes,was: Hi there


 A highly subjective, quick and dirty run down of the major Echtacrome
slide
 films (ISO 100 and less):

 Velvia: (ISO 50, many people shoot it at ISO 40): Delicious saturated
 colors, saturated but accurate, fine grained, high contrast (especially at
 ISO 50), narrow latitude,  the standard for many nature
 photographers.  Obviously, very slow.

 Provia (ISO 100):  Fine grained, good color accuracy and saturation but
 rather low contrast. Decent latitude.  Also the standard for many nature
 photographers. I bought a brick of it last year - it's OK and I got some
 good shots using it.  I prefer the Kodak emulsions that are a bit punchier
 but would use Provia without a second thought if need be.

 Kodak E10oG:  I've only shot one roll of this. It's said to be nearly
 identical to the E100S film that it replaced.  E100S was fine grained, had
 a bit more saturation and contrast than Provia (IMO), about the same
 latitude.  It's been my standard for serious work - I still have a brick
in
 the freezer and will probably switch to E100G when it's gone.  What I like
 about this film is the color accuracy and saturation - when I look at the
 fine gradients in a bird's feathers, IMO E100S and Vevlia do the best job
 of capturing the subtle tonal changes.  But I miss too many bird shots
with
 the slow shutter speeds with Velvia, so prefer E100S.

 Kodak E100 VS: Very saturated, not quite as fine grained as E100S / E100G,
 higher contrast.  Can be a great film in the right conditions.  My #2
 choice after E100S.

 Sensia: I've hardly ever used it so have no opinion.

 Kodak Elite Chrome: Kodak's consumer ISO 100 standard saturation slide
 film.  Good stuff, great with reds, a little more grainy and less sharp
 than E100S.

 Kodak Elite Chrome EBX:  The high saturation consumer slide film.
Wickedly
 sharp, somewhat grainy, very punchy colors and high contrast.

 I've not used the Agfa RSX films for some time, but found them to be quite
 good a few yeas ago when I did try them out.

 Hope this helps -

 MCC

 At 11:30 AM 1/12/2004 -0600, you wrote:
   
   Hi
   For Chrome film,some of us TOPDMLers like Kodak 100vs.I also like the
Fuji
 Provia 100.
  
   Dave
  
 Are those slide films? What is the difference between the two, in your
 opinion?
  
   Rebekah
a day without sunshine is like, you know, night.

 -

 Mark Cassino Photography

 Kalamazoo, MI

 http://www.markcassino.com

 -






Re: 10mpx step child

2004-01-12 Thread Mark Cassino
At 10:19 PM 1/12/2004 -0500, Butch Black wrote:

Plus it's the same 3.34 mp foveon chip that's in the SD-9. Since it doesn't
use the Bayer pattern interpolation they have gone on to call it a 10 mp
chip (3.34x3) Plus the lens mount issue plus the very high (@X)
magnification factor over 35mm. Check out DP review for more info.
I was wondering about that.

I know a guy who has a Leaf Volare' camera back and considers it to be an 
18 megapixel camera, since it takes three 6 megapixel shots using red, 
green,  blue filters.  The color accuracy is indeed exceptional (though 
you can't shoot anything that is not stationary) but the resolution is only 
6 megapixels.

- MCC
-
Mark Cassino Photography

Kalamazoo, MI

http://www.markcassino.com

-




Re: 10mpx step child

2004-01-12 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: 10mpx step child


 ICKY!

 We have a winner in the Grossest Comment of the Year contest, and 2004 is
but a
 few days old.


Glad I could help out.

William Robb



Re: Ducks

2004-01-12 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Rebekah Gonzalez wrote:
 
 Hey, I'm going out to shoot pictures of ducks tomorrow at a nearby moat.
 Water, pine trees and grass. Any tips and pointers? Please and thank you.
 :o) Oh, and it will probably be either overcast and bright or sunny and
 bright. Really bright.
 Rebekah
 a day without sunshine is like, you know, night.

Actually, Rebekah, a day without sunshine is like,
you know, a great
day to take photos - 

certainly true if you are photoing animals -- 

annsan



RE: Rain Picture

2004-01-12 Thread Bucky

You can.

 -Original Message-
 From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 9-Jan-04 16:18
 To: pentax list
 Subject: Re: Rain Picture
 
 
 On 9/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
 
 Just a quick grab shot taken earlier today ... comments welcome
 
 http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/images/paper.html
 
 Cracking great shot. Love it. I wish I could do street as good as you and
 Frank T.




Re: Ducks

2004-01-12 Thread Doug Franklin
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:30:52 -0500, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 Actually, Rebekah, a day without sunshine is like,
 you know, 

NIGHT!

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ




Re: Ducks

2004-01-12 Thread Rebekah Gonzalez
I'm sorry is my quote like annoying to everyone?
I actually like overcast days that are bright and leave no shadows also,
Ann.

- Original Message -
From: Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: Ducks


 On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:30:52 -0500, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

  Actually, Rebekah, a day without sunshine is like,
  you know,

 NIGHT!

 TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ






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