Re: OT: Strewth (was Re: Tan's Travelogue
Every time I see this, it for some reason reminds me of the Stoned Crow, a wine bar in Crows Nest (Sydney). Anyone happen to know if it is still in business? Otis Wright Malcolm Smith wrote: Cotty wrote: What about 'stone the crows' ?? Why crows? http://www.quinion.com/words/qa/qa-sto1.htm Malcolm
Re: A-lenses aperture indication
Jens, I only have the A70-210/4 zoom, and it shows the aperture in the Auto setting only. Off auto, just the shutter speed. HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 3:08 PM Subject: RE: A-lenses aperture indication I have wondered the same thing as Nenad Djurdjevic. Why doesn't my Pentax MZ-S show aperture indication in viewfinder or on the data recorded on to the film?. Is my MZ-S faulty or are my A-lenses? Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 15. juni 2004 06:59 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: A-lenses aperture indication Nenad Djurdjevic asked: I have been wondering why Pentax AF cameras (crippled KAF mount excepted) will not show the aperture setting in the viewfinder when the aperture ring is set to other than A. It seems to me that A lenses provide enough information to the camera through the electronic contacts and aperature simulator for the camera to know what aperture is set. Anybody know the reason? Both my PZ-1 and my ZX-5n will show the aperture setting in the viewfinder if the aperture ring on an autofocus lens is set to other than A. They won't report the aperture on an M lens, and I don't have a manual-focus A lens to check, but they will certainly do this with an autofocus lens. Does this help at all? ERN
Re: Two snapshots
Thrilling! My camera's seen a lot of water action, and it's had more than a couple of brushes with a wet fate. It's always harrowing.. Waist deep- impressive.. Cheers, Ryan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: Re: Two snapshots Ryan said: Ern, that's a great shot! I like how the guy sitting on the bow provides a nice counterpoint for the foreground spectators. Where was the shot taken from? Looks pretty wet :) (commenting on http://members.aol.com/greenfalc1/drf0604.jpg ) I was maybe waist-deep or more in the sea, if that's what you're asking. ERN
Re: PAW Art or entomology?
Hi, I was just glancing through Elliot Erwitt's massive compilation, Snaps on the weekend. I really must get that book. I've always liked him, now I love him. I'm with you on this one. I have the book - it's great. Lots of fuzzy shots, for one. For another, he called it Snaps as a reaction to the artsy crowd (you know, the DIB's - Dressed in Blacks). He really doesn't seem (if I understand him correctly) to think it's important whether a photo is considered art or not - leave that to the critics, I guess. I rather like that way of looking at things. I'm with Erwitt on this one. Is it Art? has always struck me as the most spectacularly pointless question. Is it good Art? is only fractionally less pointless. The only worthwhile response is What difference does it make?. To me the only worthwhile question is Is it an interesting photograph?. Erwitt's photographs are interesting. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: A-lenses aperture indication
This is correct. I have a MZ-5n and I understand it is normal behavior. It would theoretically be possible for the body to compute the aperture based on the stop down coupler and the A contacts (which give max/min aperture info). However, I believe this is not done because the stop down coupler only links into the metering system and not to the viewfinder. Also, top cameras of the day (mx, lx, kx and k2 before them) had an optical system to show the aperture in the viewfiner (as long as you aren't shooting at night). -Scott On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 22:09, Nenad Djurdjevic wrote: William Robb wrote: When the lens is off A, the electrical contacts are disabled, and the lens has no electrical communication at all with the camera. It's not just AF cameras. The Super Program is the same way. Having switched to digital and no longer having any film camera bodies I can't check this - but I could have sworn that F and FA lenses on an AF body gave an aperture readout on the camera at all times (but A lenses didn't).
Re: A-lenses aperture indication
Nenad, as explained below, the seventh pin makes the difference between 'A' and 'F' in this respect. http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/ has all this and much more - not quite easy to find, though. From the main page you select 'Technology' on the left, then 'K-Mount Evolution, Features and Operation'. On the bottom of this page you can then click on the various K-mount variants and you get thorough explanations and diagrams. Sven Zitat von John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: William Robb wrote: When the lens is off A, the electrical contacts are disabled, and the lens has no electrical communication at all with the camera. It's not just AF cameras. The Super Program is the same way. Having switched to digital and no longer having any film camera bodies I can't check this - but I could have sworn that F and FA lenses on an AF body gave an aperture readout on the camera at all times (but A lenses didn't). But that's because they communicate this information via the digital readout pin, not via the mechanical aperture coupler. As far as I know Pentax have never made a camera that used the maximum-aperture value (read from the A-mount contacts) and the aperture-delta value (from the aperture coupler) to calculate the actual lens aperture setting. ...
Re: GFM: Leaving USA
On Jun 14, 2004, at 11:30 PM, Jostein wrote: My FA* 400/5.6 slid off the tripod mount and hit the paved road. It has developed a distinct color fringing and a focus problem at close distances. I think the trunk of the lens has been irrepairably bent. Oh no :( I hope it isn't too costly for you. I'll lend you mine if you come and pick it up. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: List problems
Hi, PJA wrote: Sometimes my e-mail client hiccups, especially when there are a large number of e-mails on the server. When it does that the server never receives acknowledgment that the e-mails were received. If that happens I'm guaranteed to receive duplicates. I usually know when that's going to happen. Wonder if the problems could be due to ISP antispam software? mike CITY OF SUNDERLAND COLLEGE DISCLAIMER Confidentiality: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If they come to you in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please reply to this email and highlight the error. Please note that the views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the college. Security Warning: Please note that this email has been created in the knowledge that Internet email is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and observe this lack of security when emailing us. Viruses: Although we have taken steps to ensure that this email and attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure thay are actually virus free.
RE: OT: Strewth (was Re: Tan's Travelogue
-Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What about 'stone the crows' ?? Why crows? Um... cleptoparasites? nice word, at least...:-) Jostein
Re: Art or Entomology?
Hi, Shel wrote: I recently had a discussion with a couple of photographers, the subject of which was how Photoshop relates to Photography. Is an image that has been extensively adjusted in Photoshop still a photograph, or has it somehow morphed into something else? Is there a line somewhere that, when crossed, moves the image out of the category of Photograph into something else? And what is that something else? David Hockney thinks so. His recent comment was something along the lines of heavily digitally manipulated images are just badly drawn photographs mike CITY OF SUNDERLAND COLLEGE DISCLAIMER Confidentiality: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If they come to you in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please reply to this email and highlight the error. Please note that the views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the college. Security Warning: Please note that this email has been created in the knowledge that Internet email is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and observe this lack of security when emailing us. Viruses: Although we have taken steps to ensure that this email and attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure thay are actually virus free.
Re: A-lenses aperture indication
William Robb wrote: When the lens is off A, the electrical contacts are disabled, and the lens has no electrical communication at all with the camera. It's not just AF cameras. The Super Program is the same way. This is right only for A-lenses. When the aperture ring is set off A the A-contact retracts and the contacts seem to be disabled . John Francis wrote: But that's because they communicate this information via the digital readout pin, not via the mechanical aperture coupler. Apart from this 7th digital read-out pin there is another difference between A and F/FA lenses. The A contact of the F/FA lenses does not retract when the aperture ring is set off A. So all contacts seem to remain connected even when the lens is set not to A. Interestingly, as far as I remember, also with F/FA lenses the SFX does not show the aperture number on its display when the lens is off A , while newer cameras do. Alexander __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: PAW Art or entomology? Oh no philosophy!
Shel, I'm not well read in matters photographic, but you started me thinking. I hope you take these comments in the spirit they were meant - I'm interested, trying to put forward my ideas, wondering how they strike you. The way I see my photography is that I'm recording beauty. Of course, there's the issue that beauty is subjective. To me, a fly's compound eye, or a hairy caterpillar sitting on a stem, is beautiful, as well as interesting - and when I photograph such a thing I try and capture this beauty and the life as best I can. The result hopefully shows some of these things that make me love my subjects (and if I was really good, I might even be able to bring that love itself into my photographs). I understand your explanation of the matter and am just confused, as your points seemed valid, but yet I resisted. Is something beautiful less valuable than something that, while it may or may not be pleasing, has a message or depth, as you request? As to your comment that you see no life or vibrancy in this sort of photo, well this is possibly the heart of the matter, where a great rift is revealed gaping between us. Just one more point to tack on to the end in a confused way. Perhaps you've never heard of Densey Clyne - she's a local 'naturalist' who has written books (e.g. The Garden Jungle, Wildlife in the Suburbs) on the behaviour and natural histories of various insects, other animals and plants. The photography that accompanies these accounts is of a very high standard, and the entire 'work', being the illustrated story, is in my view admirable, giving you both a feel for the subject and the dedication of the author. Perhaps you would appreciate this sort of photography if you knew the story as well. The problem could be that these photographs need the story, which people like me simply carry around with them in their heads. Seeing only the object can't be satisfying. I've not used the A word yet (three letters, rhymes with heart). The whole idea troubles me. That's all I can think, for now. Looking forward to see what you think of this. David although I'm glad that the creatures are only being shot by a Pentax camera. Still, they appear rather one dimensional. Maybe if I saw a bug picture that showed something more - and I don't really know what that may be exactly - I'd feel differently. But, to me, what I've been seeing here, just ain't art. I understand what you're saying, but hey, having a religious experience while photographing a sunset, and a photograph of a sunset, isn't necessarily art. Erwitt's Snaps is a good example of what we're discussing. The idea that not every photo is art to everyone is exactly where I'm coming from. I recently had a discussion with a couple of photographers, the subject of which was how Photoshop relates to Photography. Is an image that has been extensively adjusted in Photoshop still a photograph, or has it somehow morphed into something else? Is there a line somewhere that, when crossed, moves the image out of the category of Photograph into something else? And what is that something else? What I see in so many of these bug pictures is a reliance on technique and technology to produce something that's as perfect as possible, but there's no life in what I see, no vibrancy, nothing to get me involved and to move me past an acknowledgement that the workmanship is good. There's something to be said for good workmanship, but that alone does not create art. But these are just my feelings. I'm sure others here (and probably most people on this list) will disagree with me. I say that based on all the oohing and aahing these sorts of pictures generate. Lots of people here like that stuff. I'm in a definite minority. I find most of it derivative, not pushing any creative envelope except for the applied use of technology. I guess I want MORE from a photograph, more from art ... something that goes beyond the surface of the image and the gloss on the print. I want to feel that the artist has something to say, something original to say, and that he or she is trying to make a statement that goes beyond just capturing light on film and pixels, and which is then run through enough Photoshop to suck the life out of it. I don't mind technically imperfect photos (although I love it when people try to make 'em, push themselves and their work to tell us something) that make us think and feel. You brought up Kenny G ... my example might have been George Benson for I am quite familiar with his early work with Creed Taylor. Then came the transformation, and Breezin' hit the scene. As Don Everley once said, Bye, bye love. Now George's music is much more technically perfect, but the soul and the heart has been cut out to make room for higher bit rates and better sound quality. So, for me, there's a certain sterility with the images we're discussing, a certain blandness, and a lack of (must I say it again ... to me) any real
Re: PAW Art or entomology? Oh no, philosophy!
Hi, David wrote: The way I see my photography is that I'm recording beauty. Of course, there's the issue that beauty is subjective. To me, a fly's compound eye, or a hairy caterpillar sitting on a stem, is beautiful, as well as interesting - and when I photograph such a thing I try and capture this beauty and the life as best I can. The result hopefully shows some of these things that make me love my subjects (and if I was really good, I might even be able to bring that love itself into my photographs). I understand your explanation of the matter and am just confused, as your points seemed valid, but yet I resisted. Is something beautiful less valuable than something that, while it may or may not be pleasing, has a message or depth, as you request? There is not neccessarily dichotomy between your views and Shel's. If the purpose of your photograph is (even only in part) to show the beauty of something that is often treated with disgust and revulsion, then you have created a photograph with a message. It's art, David, but not that you knew it 8-))) mike a real snapshooter CITY OF SUNDERLAND COLLEGE DISCLAIMER Confidentiality: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If they come to you in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please reply to this email and highlight the error. Please note that the views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the college. Security Warning: Please note that this email has been created in the knowledge that Internet email is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and observe this lack of security when emailing us. Viruses: Although we have taken steps to ensure that this email and attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure thay are actually virus free.
Art confiscated by FBI
Apparently the FBI confiscated an art exhibition and subpoenaed eight authors. http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/storyprint.asp?StoryID=256845 http://www.caedefensefund.org/ OMG, what next?!? That's just plain crazy. Good light, Frantisek Vlcek
Re: canon vs pentax
i don't see why it would, esp if IS is done in the body. Herb... - Original Message - From: Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 11:54 PM Subject: Re: canon vs pentax Hmm, so... does IS/VR somehow require USM?
RE: Pining for the Law-was: PAW: Venus - of course - and Shawn
-Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I pine for the fjords! interestingly, spruce never made it to the fjords from Russia before the climate changed in the medieval age, so pine is in fact all you get there. Coniferously, Jostein
Re: A-lenses aperture indication
My MZ-5N finder shows lens aperture setting for all 'manual' and 'A' aperture ring positions, for both SMCP-A 50/1.7 and SMCP-FA 28-70/4 Jim www.jcolwell.ca
OT: Art confiscated by FBI
Sorry. I rant about it and now I do the same mistake. My previous message should have been marked OT. I must have been really tired when sending it, unthinking. What a fool you are, Frantisek! Now you had probably started just another political debate... never! No way this was a political comment! Please... Just ignore it, that would be best ;-) Or ignore me today completely, I am not feeling my usual self... ;-) Best regards, Frantisek Vlcek
Re: canon vs pentax
Hmm, so... does IS/VR somehow require USM? That depends I think. The reason is that both the mechanical aperture linkage AF shaft require specific spaces inside the Pentax lenses. They are straight phyically, and cannot be bended out of the way and still expected to work. For this reason, the optical design for IS/VR would be difficult because they have to be in front of both the AF aperture mechanism. FA*200/2.8 for example, the front and rear lens group are fixed, the moving lenses belong to the middle lens group, and the aperture blades are between the front and middle lens groups. If IS had to be done in this lens, that means it has to be done with the front lens group which is huge in size. Now imagine, if both AF aperture have their own motors, all 3 devices (USM, aperture IS) can be placed anywhere the engineers wanted. Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan _ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: A-lenses aperture indication
What even in manual and aperture priority modes? John John Whittingham Technician -- Original Message --- From: Jim Colwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:49:15 -0300 Subject: Re: A-lenses aperture indication My MZ-5N finder shows lens aperture setting for all 'manual' and 'A' aperture ring positions, for both SMCP-A 50/1.7 and SMCP-FA 28-70/4 Jim www.jcolwell.ca --- End of Original Message ---
Re: List problems
TMP wrote: Hey graywolf! That's what I thought it was, but how is it that it only just started happening now? I didn't change any settings when I went away or anything... tan. -Original Message- From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 15 June 2004 12:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: List problems If you are getting every message multiple times it means you are subscribed more than once. While this is ONE reason for that phenomenon, it is certainly not the only reason it happens. [...] I am getting a few messages, not all, more than once. That probably has to be caused by something else, probably at my ISP's end of things not erasing messages after I down load them. In my experience, this is the most usual happening. I sort of hate to say it, but I used to get this quite frequently, but in recent times (last 4-6 months) it hasn't happened more than two or three times. In 4 to 6 months around HERE any number of things might and usually do happen, so there's literally no way to tell what was responsible. keith whaley [...]
RE: A-lenses aperture indication
The very same question was asked in the past, and yes, it is technically possible to make a KA or later camera which can display the chosen aperture with 'A' lens when it is not set to 'A'. I found this out when I was using my Metz 40MZ3i flash with M135/3.5 (masked the mount to simulate 'A' lenses) on Z-1p. The camera does not display the aperture (as expected, because none of the Pentax cameras does), but the Metz DOES (what a surprise!!). It is clearly that the camera knows the chosen aperture even when the aperture is not set to 'A' for 'A' lenses (doesn't work for pre-A lenses btw), but the cameras were not designed to display it. So you asked why? Another brilliant Pentax decision I guess. Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan I have been wondering why Pentax AF cameras (crippled KAF mount excepted) will not show the aperture setting in the viewfinder when the aperture ring is set to other than A. It seems to me that A lenses provide enough information to the camera through the electronic contacts and aperature simulator for the camera to know what aperture is set. Anybody know the reason? _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: A-lenses aperture indication
correction, sorry: the SMCP-A 50/1.7 lens shows aperture setting in the MZ-5N finder for the 'A' position, but not at manual settings. The SMCP-FA 28-70/4 lens shows aperture in the MZ-5N finder for both 'A' and manual settings. I'll make a quick table of some other results and sent it soon. Jim www.jcolwell.ca
Re: A-lenses aperture indication - quick tests
here is a summary of some different lens/body combinations A = lens aperture ring set to 'A' position M = lens aperture ring set to a manual position Y = camera shows aperture setting in finder N = camera does not show aperture setting in finder SuperProgram body SMCP-FA 28-70/4 A:Y M:N SMCP-F 50/1.7 A:Y M:N SMCP35/3.5 A:N M:N Tamron SP 300/5.6A:Y M:N Viv. Ser.1 70-210/2.8-4 A:Y M:N MZ-5N and MZ-7 bodies (same results) SMCP-FA 28-70/4 A:Y M:Y SMCP-F 50/1.7 A:Y M:Y SMCP35/3.5 A:N M:N Tamron SP 300/5.6A:Y M:N Viv. Ser.1 70-210/2.8-4 A:Y M:N So, it appears that some Pentax bodies do show aperture settings. In all cases, the camera bodies are set to auto. In all cases, shutter speed is shown in the finder. Jim www.jcolwell.ca
Re: Art confiscated by FBI
Peter, You've hit it on the head. Once the FBI got involved there's almost no way to sort the problem out without going to court. Once a competent Judge gets a look at this case ( No guarantee of the Judge being competent either. ) the case will get tossed and the FBI will be reprimanded for having brought it in the first case. Note, the agent(s) responsible will likely never be brought to task for their mistake. Frantisek, while this has no obvious Pentax content ( Maybe the eyepieces on the microscopes are Pentax? ), it's still relevant to the PDML. With a capricious FBI on the loose who knows when they will decide that the Stop Bath or Photoflow in your darkroom is a terrorist weapon? Mark Gosdin Peter J. Alling wrote: Looks like a case of over zealous law enforcement. Once started these take on a life of their own since it's an axiom that no civil servant can ever admit to having made a mistake. Frantisek Vlcek wrote: Apparently the FBI confiscated an art exhibition and subpoenaed eight authors. http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/storyprint.asp?StoryID=256845 http://www.caedefensefund.org/ OMG, what next?!? That's just plain crazy. Good light, Frantisek Vlcek
RE: A-lenses aperture indication
I know the ZX-M manual describes this. It says that the camera will know where the aerator ring is at in FA lens or newer. Older A lens that are not autofocus will not show the aperture reading in the digital display. I'm not sure that all Pentax autofocus cameras will not support this or what model it started with. I just tested this with my PZ-1 and it does recognize the aperture value on an FA lens off of the A position. Dave -Original Message- From: Nenad Djurdjevic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A-lenses aperture indication William Robb wrote: When the lens is off A, the electrical contacts are disabled, and the lens has no electrical communication at all with the camera. It's not just AF cameras. The Super Program is the same way. Having switched to digital and no longer having any film camera bodies I can't check this - but I could have sworn that F and FA lenses on an AF body gave an aperture readout on the camera at all times (but A lenses didn't).
RE: A-lenses aperture indication
Thanks John. I guess my outfit isn't faulty afterall. I just find it funny, that this only works with autofocus lenses (this doesn't really have anything to do with focusing(!). I thought that A and FA lenses had the same KAF-mount contacts. Apparently they don't!! Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: John Coyle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 15. juni 2004 08:22 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: A-lenses aperture indication Jens, I only have the A70-210/4 zoom, and it shows the aperture in the Auto setting only. Off auto, just the shutter speed. HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 3:08 PM Subject: RE: A-lenses aperture indication I have wondered the same thing as Nenad Djurdjevic. Why doesn't my Pentax MZ-S show aperture indication in viewfinder or on the data recorded on to the film?. Is my MZ-S faulty or are my A-lenses? Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 15. juni 2004 06:59 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: A-lenses aperture indication Nenad Djurdjevic asked: I have been wondering why Pentax AF cameras (crippled KAF mount excepted) will not show the aperture setting in the viewfinder when the aperture ring is set to other than A. It seems to me that A lenses provide enough information to the camera through the electronic contacts and aperature simulator for the camera to know what aperture is set. Anybody know the reason? Both my PZ-1 and my ZX-5n will show the aperture setting in the viewfinder if the aperture ring on an autofocus lens is set to other than A. They won't report the aperture on an M lens, and I don't have a manual-focus A lens to check, but they will certainly do this with an autofocus lens. Does this help at all? ERN
Re: PAW Art or entomology? Oh no philosophy!
Good points ... allow me to respond interspersed. [Original Message] From: David Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not well read in matters photographic, Nor am I but you started me thinking. That's always good LOL The way I see my photography is that I'm recording beauty. Of course, there's the issue that beauty is subjective. To me, a fly's compound eye, or a hairy caterpillar sitting on a stem, is beautiful, as well as interesting - and when I photograph such a thing I try and capture this beauty and the life as best I can. Hmmm ... I don't think I said that these critters were not beautiful. I love 'em, and enjoy that they are around, inhabiting the earth. My complaint, as it were, is that most of the photos I see here are sterile, technical tours de force, that, for me, don't really come across as art, and most are more of the same old stuff. Some are quite outstanding as photographs, but don't cross over to art as I view it, or, if they do, they are poor examples of art. And please don't ask me to define what art is. I know it when I see it. Now, I have seen some very interesting electron microscope shots of ants and a few other insects. These were made with a 'scope and a digital camera, utilizing a program that allowed for extreme depth of field. The entire critter was in focus, and quite sharp. To me, these photos are far more interesting, vibrant, exciting, and alive than the photos shown here. Those shots are tremendously appealing to me. They go to what may arguably be the highest quality of insect photography. And while they may not be art ((we can argue that ad infinitum), they possess so much more than the flat, two dimensional images that appear on my monitor. IOW, most of what I see here does nothing for me because I've seen it all hundreds of times. There's little new here. Little that's pushing the envelope and creating new visions. Little that goes beyond great focus, vibrant colors, and Photoshop adjustments. I suppose I want more from a photograph. The result hopefully shows some of these things that make me love my subjects (and if I was really good, I might even be able to bring that love itself into my photographs). See above I understand your explanation of the matter and am just confused, as your points seemed valid, but yet I resisted. Is something beautiful less valuable than something that, while it may or may not be pleasing, has a message or depth, as you request? Yes and no ... there's no reason why beauty cannot stand on its own, yet I crave more. I want to see beauty with depth and meaning. That to me elevates a photograph to a higher plane, brings more to the image. I think there was a photo here of a bug eating another bug. That was great. It showed so much more than Rob's recent photo, which started this discussion. It gave the viewer a glimpse into how the creature behaves, a bit of its personality, as it were. It made an ordinarily static subject come to life. Sure, taking a photo of that same bug just sitting on a branch may offer beauty in color and form, but, at the risk of repeating myself, so what. There are millions of similar photos out there. we've seen 'em all before. They are derivative. As to your comment that you see no life or vibrancy in this sort of photo, well this is possibly the heart of the matter, where a great rift is revealed gaping between us. Perhaps my comments above have clarified why I find the photos here to be lacking in vibrancy. They are good photos, but tell me nothing, show me nothing, that I haven't been told and shown before. One of the comments heard frequently from those who use digital cameras is that they've shot thousands of frames. Why not? It's free, it's easy, it's efficient. So the photographer goes out in the garden and makes hundreds of bug pictures. Why not? It's free, it's easy, it's efficient. I'd rather that the photographer go out in the garden and spend some time with these critters and try to catch more interesting scenes, more of what this insect is all about. Maybe eating another bug, as mentioned, or carrying a twig or a leaf, or building a nest. Sure, that's more difficult to do, but, IMO, the results of one photo such as this far exceed the combined quality of all the others combined. And while I know I'm gonna get flack for what I'm about to say, I'm going to say it anyway. Too many photographers take the easy route, make photos that are good enough, and never push their creative envelope past a certain point of mediocrity. There is a sameness to so many photos these days, and insect photography here is no different. I believe it was Rob who also posted a shot of a bee busy working in a flower, carrying pollen on its legs. Now that was a great shot, it combined all the elements I want to see in a photo, and offered the viewer far more than a close-up of a bee. It was Bees at Work, which could be the start of a wonderful
Re: GFM 2004 links as at 14th June.
The following message was sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:41:06 -0400. From: frank theriault Thanks, Malcolm, for compiling them. I hope you're able to keep doing it, and by the time everything's posted, it will make a tremendous souvenir for those of us who were there, and those of you who weren't (and hopefully, an incentive for you to come next year). Yes, thanks for compiling the list of links and thanks to all you participants for posting your albums. I've not had much time to read the list (and not much inclination, given some of the tripe I've seen) I'm quite sad that I was unable to attend the GFM weekend (maybe next year!) but I was having some fun of my own. Tanja and I were at the AAC Regional Championships - and we qualified to go to the Nationals in Montreal in August - Woo Hoo!! The istD went along to the Regionals with me and I managed to get a few shots of my friends, who also qualified. Unfortunately none of my friends were competent enough to capture Tanja on sensor. OK, I have one shot of her tail vbg. The oficial event photographer didn't fare much better and seems to have made countless photos of Tan's very fuzzy butt! (very strange). Of course, we're talking about the Belgian Tanja, not the Aussie one (tee, hee). Not that they could ever be confused :-o Wendy
RE: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs pentax)
Alan Chan wrote: To achieve IS/VR/AS, the camera or the lens must be able to detect their own movement, and obviousely *istD doesn't have any. For this reason, the firmware idea doesn't work. Alan, I don't know why the camera or lens would have to detect movement. That would require some type of accelerometers and would be a finicky cludge IMO. Software implementation of image stabilization might be achievable by: 1: taking a high speed sensor reading defining only high contrast areas (in effect a super high ISO reading of only light dark edge lines) 2 taking another longer duration sensor reading to determine some secondary lower contrast areas 3. taking the lowest sensor reading for color. 4. Combine the three readings in camera and you would have an image stabilized picture. Another method would be to capture a series of quick high ISO readings, calculate movement through interpolation of the images captured, take a lower speed reading for color and texture combine them all through interpolation and save the result to memory. Textures might present a problem with that method. Software image stabilization would be a compromise but it's conceivable (in my mind anyway). Tom Reese
Re: GFM enabled
Cory wrote: I'm looking for a tripod now. I've come to realize, if I had a good one instead of this crappy Wal-Mart tripod, I might actually use it more. And who doesn't need to use a tripod more? Who said Frank? Sh! So, I'm looking at the Bogen 3001. I don't have anything heavy to hang off of it yet but envision having a 300 2.8 some day. Something light but sturdy and functional is what I need. any objections for that model? Or suggestions for better ones? Light but sturdy is unfortunately a contradiction unless you get into the carbon fiber ones and they're pricey. I use the Bogen 3021 Pro model because it has some features that I like. With that model you can remove the center column and mount it horizontally. That has occasionally come in handy for macro work. I don't care for the wingnut leg locking method that the 3001 uses. It takes more time than the lever locks that the 3021 model employs. The Bogen website is very good. You can see all the features of the various models: http://www.bogenimaging.us/ I hope this helps. Tom Reese
Re: List problems
Beats me. Just seems to happen sometimes. -- TMP wrote: Hey graywolf! That's what I thought it was, but how is it that it only just started happening now? I didn't change any settings when I went away or anything... tan. -Original Message- From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 15 June 2004 12:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: List problems If you are getting every message multiple times it means you are subscribed more than once. Yes, the mailing list deamon should be smart enough to prevent that but does not seem to be. You can unsubscribe a few times then subscribe once. That should do the trick. However you may miss a few messages in the process. I am getting a few messages, not all, more than once. That probably has to be caused by something else, probably at my ISP's end of things not erasing messages after I down load them. -- TMP wrote: I am having the same problem, but my biggest concern right now is that I keep getting every message at least twice, and sometimes three times! How could this be?!? It only started happening in the last day or two... tan. -Original Message- From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 15 June 2004 3:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: List problems Just in case anyone is keeping track, I too seem to have had a number of posts not make it to the list. (Not that that's necessarily a bad thing). -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: List problems
Then that is not your problem. Read the first line again. It is a troubleshooting question. The problem you are having is either with your mail client, ISP, or possibly the list server is messed up. However if it is the list server, everyone would be having the problem. -- frank theriault wrote: Good theory, Tom, Except, I'm not getting every message twice. And, many, I'm not getting at all. I only know they're out there, as I see them in responses. And, I'm getting lots and lots of responses to my posts, way before my posts even get on the list (but I know that's likely my ISP doing that, or so I've been told). Oh well... cheers, frank BTW, loving The Birth of the Cool Sessions! Thanks for the copy. -ft The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: List problems Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:11:02 -0400 If you are getting every message multiple times it means you are subscribed more than once. Yes, the mailing list deamon should be smart enough to prevent that but does not seem to be. You can unsubscribe a few times then subscribe once. That should do the trick. However you may miss a few messages in the process. I am getting a few messages, not all, more than once. That probably has to be caused by something else, probably at my ISP's end of things not erasing messages after I down load them. _ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: A-lenses aperture indication
On the AF330FTZ and AF360FGZ, the usable scale distance varie when aperture varie
Image Tank
Hi all I just received a Vosonic VP300 X-drive Pro Image Tank with 9.5mm 2? 40GB HD and MP3 Player. It accepts eight different RAM cards, so I can use it for my future *ist D/Baby *ist D as well as most other cameras. It's very nice - looks like it's very good quality. The small bag, that goes with it, is only missing a belt clip, so I can access it fast, to empty the card, while I am shooting away, using a spare card. If I shoot jpegs, I can shoot 15.000 photographs and still have enough space for a thousand songs in MP3 format, before I have to go back to my computer!! And it didn't cost much more that one 1GB CF card! Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
Re: Venus - of course - and moron boy
William, I'll join the chorus and say we need you to stay. One of your size twelve slippers to my behind when I neglect to be considerate is the medicine I need when I get too full of myself. If PDML didn't have the diversity of strong opinions that is has, it would be a pointless place. On that note remember that, when the invectives were bluest, and the threats most bellicose, you were in there toe to toe, trading blows with the moron boy. IMO that was a good thing, not bad, and he asked for it. However that must cast you as one of these guys yourself, and FWIW you never looked junior grade. So stay, don't change a thing, fight the wars, vanquish the Hun, and to hell with those of the sensitive temperament who can't let us fight in peace ;-) regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Re: Venus - of course - and moron boy I've been using a heavy filter on this list for a while, ... My next filter level is the unsubscribe filter. I thought I was an asshole (I cultivate it in myself), but these guys make me look junior grade. Wheee! Maybe it's time for me to get a life... William Robb
Fox PAW
I was driving near our home on Friday and came across 2 Red Fox pups along with their mother. The mother walked away, trying to lead me from the pups. I got a few pictures that day, but the pups were in the den and only sticking their heads out. I went back the next day at the same time time and the pups were out frolicking, mother nowhere to be seen, probably hunting. I got approximately 10 fairly decent shots. This is one... http://www.photo.net/photodb/presentation.tcl?presentation_id=250938 Tom C.
Re: A-lenses aperture indication
Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess my outfit isn't faulty afterall. I just find it funny, that this only works with autofocus lenses (this doesn't really have anything to do with focusing(!). I thought that A and FA lenses had the same KAF-mount contacts. Apparently they don't!! The FA (and F) lenses have *one* contact that the A lenses don't; this contact supplies digital data, including lens aperture setting, to the camera body. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: GFM enabled (31 LTD!!!!)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm Cory and I have a gear problem. snip I hit Ebay as soon as I got home and have bought a FAJ 18-35. I was using the DA16-45 for most of my shots during the weekend but my darned mid-western conscience made me give it back... VERY nice lens BTW but just a little too spendy for me right now. As was the NIB 31 limited that the evil ones were tempting me with in the cabin... you know who you are!!! Somebody is selling a 31 ltd? Gasp - dare I ask who? I think it was the Pentax rep g -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs Pentax)
On 04.6.15 11:16 AM, Tom Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan, I don't know why the camera or lens would have to detect movement. That would require some type of accelerometers and would be a finicky cludge IMO. I do not pretend to know much about how they achieve IS effect, but I remember reading an article somewhere which said that the Canon style in-lens IS has two small gyros to detect X/Y axis movement, and the required lens shift amount is computed and actuated on a microsecond order (or something like that). On video cameras, Canon uses Vari-angle prism which is essentially a clear gel-like material sandwiched between two plain glasses which are normally parallel each other. When the movement is detected, the angle of these two glasses changes, or some such fancy thing. Don't ask me why this is not adopted in 35mm lens etc. I think Canon site must have some explanation pages somewhere. Cheers, Ken
Re: OT: Strewth (was Re: Tan's Travelogue
Otis, The Stoned Crow is still trading, according to the current Sydney Yellow Pages. regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: Otis Wright rusty.@att.net Every time I see this, it for some reason reminds me of the Stoned Crow, a wine bar in Crows Nest (Sydney). Anyone happen to know if it is still in business? Otis Wright
Re: A-lenses aperture indication
Alexander wrote: Apart from (the) 7th digital read-out pin there is another difference between A and F/FA lenses. The A contact of the F/FA lenses does not retract when the aperture ring is set off A. So all contacts seem to remain connected even when the lens is set not to A. Although the A contact remains mechanically connected, I believe you will find that it is electrically isolated when the aperture ring is moved off the A setting.
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Albany Pentaxians? Buffalo Pentaxians?
I'll get to Buffalo Wed the 23rd and am staying over the 24th (I think) Next stop Albany before I get collected to go Old Chatham... Best of all possible worlds one of you Albany area guys would lend me a couch for Friday night the 25th - or could recommend cheap but ok digs for that night. Write me off list, of course, because I'll be needing to unsubscribe tomorrow. (I'll TRY to get a July PUG in beforehand :) ) (I don't snore - just ask Bill Owens, Cotty, Jostein and Frank :) ) travel'n annsan
Re: canon vs pentax
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:04:46 -0400 From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: canon vs pentax Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jun 12, 2004, at 2:18 PM, Jens Bladt wrote: Over the years, Pentax may well have put out more, and the interoperability across generations has only recently been compromised. In what way? With the new firmware, the K and M lenses can be used on the *ist D with what amounts to ap priority auto exposure. No. With what amounts to a spotmatic lever. A vast improvment over only metering wide open as originally released, or the Nikon D100 which won't meter old lenses at all, but still not as responsive as true auto exposure or auto metering in manual mode if you are working fast in changing light. What more could one expect? IIRC some of pentax's most recent FILM bodies also lack the aperture feedback lever, and they don't have the firmware fix as far as I know. Also IIRC the new DA lenses don't have aperture rings, which makes them kind of hard to use on an MX. Granted, with the decreased image circle of an APS-format-optimized lense you wouldn't want to, but that is just another decrease in intergenerational compatability. This doesn't surprise me, as mechanical connections between camera and lens are a bit old-fashioned. As to what I could expect, I expect Pentax to continue to sell one camera with an aperture feedback lever or to re-issue or replace the lenses that will be obsoleted by no longer having such a camera, so as to keep people with good old Pentax lenses from selling them in disgust and buying Canon. DJE
Re: Image Tank
In a message dated 6/15/2004 8:44:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all I just received a Vosonic VP300 X-drive Pro Image Tank with 9.5mm 2? 40GB HD and MP3 Player. It accepts eight different RAM cards, so I can use it for my future *ist D/Baby *ist D as well as most other cameras. It's very nice - looks like it's very good quality. The small bag, that goes with it, is only missing a belt clip, so I can access it fast, to empty the card, while I am shooting away, using a spare card. If I shoot jpegs, I can shoot 15.000 photographs and still have enough space for a thousand songs in MP3 format, before I have to go back to my computer!! And it didn't cost much more that one 1GB CF card! Jens Bladt I got one for pretty much the same reasons (although I am not sure it is the same version you have), and I like it. Costs me less than buying a 1 gig CF and I found it handy at GFM. Of course, the first time it was in my car when I needed it, so the second time I had it in my camera bag. I copy the pics on it to my computer, but I am not deleting them from it until I back them up from my computer. So it makes good temporary backup storage, as well. Marnie aka Doe :-)
Re: Fox PAW
Cute kit! Tom C wrote: I was driving near our home on Friday and came across 2 Red Fox pups along with their mother. The mother walked away, trying to lead me from the pups. I got a few pictures that day, but the pups were in the den and only sticking their heads out. I went back the next day at the same time time and the pups were out frolicking, mother nowhere to be seen, probably hunting. I got approximately 10 fairly decent shots. This is one... http://www.photo.net/photodb/presentation.tcl?presentation_id=250938
Re: IS in *istD
From: Nick Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there any reason IS couldn't be implemented in software? You could produce a 5MP image from a 6MP sensor by using the extra pixels to shift the image. You'd need to measure the movement of the camera, which could be done using a sensor of some sort in the body, or could conceivably be done by measuring the movement of the image on the CCD. This could mean that IS could be added to the *istD by a firmware upgrade. This is all speculation, and I could be talking rubbish. Any comments? I doubt you could get fast enough response from the computerized parts of current DSLRs. You could more reasonably implement panorama-tools-like mathematical correction of lens flaws in firmware too, but apparently that is still too difficult an operation to get the cameras to do on the fly. My limited understanding of IS suggests that you will get much better results by implementing the stabilizing in the optical path rather than at the film plane whether you are moving the film plane mechanically or electronically. It's rather amazing how much you CAN'T do to correct flaws in a photographic image by computer. Unsharp mask, for example, does not in fact correct for bad focus--it just compensates for it by increasing local contrast. DJE
Re: PAW Art or entomology?
Nicely done. As for the art part, a photograph can elicit a purely sensual response like food that tastes good or music that is pleasing to the ears. Some combinations of color, detail, geometry, etc. are simply pleasing to the eye. Some may also trigger memories. OTOH, some photos make a social commentary or at least challenge you to think about some particular issue. I think art must include both categories. I would argue that many of the great BW landscapes fall into the same category as the bug shots, i.e., well composed, technically good, and pleasant to look at. The landscapes may also evoke certain feelings, although that will vary wildly with the state of the observer. I will also admit the following. I am more attracted to technically superior, geometric, visually intriguing shots that I am to random people in the street pictures. This is only a tendency, however, as there are many photos I like from the latter category as well. My point is that art has long included the purely sensual, and it's impractical to leave it out of the definition of art. Just my $0.02 USD ;-)
Re: PAW - Flower
Steve Desjardins wrote: Being too lazy to build an entire website, I will release these slowly: http://home.wlu.edu/~desjardi/ and the PAW action ought to make Shel happy ;-) Wow - that was weird! (the bw to color thing - how you do that? flower - rhododendron (aside to graywolf - hehe) annsan
Re: Image Tank
Marnie, Where did you get your Vosonic in the US? Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Image Tank Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:37:18 EDT In a message dated 6/15/2004 8:44:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all I just received a Vosonic VP300 X-drive Pro Image Tank with 9.5mm 2? 40GB HD and MP3 Player. It accepts eight different RAM cards, so I can use it for my future *ist D/Baby *ist D as well as most other cameras. It's very nice - looks like it's very good quality. The small bag, that goes with it, is only missing a belt clip, so I can access it fast, to empty the card, while I am shooting away, using a spare card. If I shoot jpegs, I can shoot 15.000 photographs and still have enough space for a thousand songs in MP3 format, before I have to go back to my computer!! And it didn't cost much more that one 1GB CF card! Jens Bladt I got one for pretty much the same reasons (although I am not sure it is the same version you have), and I like it. Costs me less than buying a 1 gig CF and I found it handy at GFM. Of course, the first time it was in my car when I needed it, so the second time I had it in my camera bag. I copy the pics on it to my computer, but I am not deleting them from it until I back them up from my computer. So it makes good temporary backup storage, as well. Marnie aka Doe :-)
Re: PAW: The Art Show Opening
Interesting. It definitely conveys the at a reception, unwinding with a drink, talking to someone I find attractive feeling. It's a visually compelling shot as well. I wondered about the extreme contrast however, so I down loaded it and fiddled in PS. The histogram is really funny - almost nothing in the middle and flies off with peaks at both ends. The lower contrast version doesn't work as well, however, so good call Frank. I also like the shallow DoF choice. It really emphasizes the eye contact with the guy. A photographic wink.
Re: PAW Art or entomology?
Hi! RS Another PAW from me, my *ist D and the now infamous Voigtlander 125: RS http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2444650size=sm RS Comments and criticisms welcome as always, Rob, I think that this is artful way to represent the greatest artist of them all - Mother Nature. I've read comments Shel posted and I can at least say that I hope I comprehend what he is saying. I still would vote art in this very case. However, personally I used to be very fascinated with flower shots, insect shots and generally macro shots. I tried some and all of a sudden I realized it was *that* interesting to me. So I kind of quit it. So perhaps, at least part of me wants to agree with Shel's reasoning... As the old Soviet joke goes: Rabinovitch - what do you think of this? Rabinovitch answers - I have an opinion, but I disagree with it!... Boris ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED])
OT: SciFi was:Re: Camera Bag Enabled
I used to watch Thunderbirds as a kid. I also think I built a plastic model of every damn one of those things. Now that brings back memories. BTW, Cotty, there is a course in our English dept on fantasy literature and it includes some SciFi. After many animated conversations in the gym, my colleague invited me to do 3 or 4 lectures on some books of my choosing. I've now done this for the last 8 years, and I always enjoy playing Lit Critic under the watchful eye of a pro. So, at least for a little bit, I get to talk about SciFi to a captive audience and get paid for it. Steve (Your fellow Geek). [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/14/04 05:40PM Seeing as I seemed to somehow mysteriously acquire a couple of lenses in America, I was driving home from London (Pinewood Studios - *see below) and suddenly enabled myself to buy a new, bigger bag for my gear :-) I had a Lowepro Micro Trekker 200 which is pretty diddy really, so I got a Mini Trekker AW from Morris Photo in Oxford. I don't like these massive bags that you see, and besides, shoe-horning everything in is a challenge... http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/spare.html [* I had a brilliant job today - met one of my all-time heroes - Gerry Anderson. He's got a building full of people working on a new tv series - a remake of Captain Scarlet using CGI (computers imaging to you Tanja). It's a bit like Max Steele but there the similarity ends. Shooting HDTV and using photo-real software, the stuff is AMAZING. The walls were covered with inkjets of all the new vehicles and ships. Cloud base is now called Sky Base and has four runways. All sorts of new gizmos and ships - and the computer animation is awesome. Gerry Anderson (creator of Thunderbirds etc) is a charming man in his seventies, and his office is awesome - he showed me a model of Lady Penelope's FAB 1 made of solid silver, with incredible detail. Models and pics all over the place. I told him I have a model of Sky 1 (from 'UFO' somewhere with broken wings - and I am inspired to fix it :-) I'm such a Sci Fi geek... Fabulous day ] NB - Pentax Content: link leads to image with a Pentax lens visible (just) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Traveller's questions
Hi! Later this summer I am going to be travelling. I have some questions (how can I not? g) 1. Is photography officially allowed inside the airport buildings? 2. Is photography officially allowed on the planes? I am thinking of likes of ME Super, M 50/1.4 for possible low light and some 400 ASA film, probably b/w What d'you say? BOris
RE: IS in *istD
It's rather amazing how much you CAN'T do to correct flaws in a photographic image by computer. Unsharp mask, for example, does not in fact correct for bad focus--it just compensates for it by increasing local contrast. If an image is out of focus, data is lost, and cannot be recovered by any sort of math...If in an image is sharp, yet distorted mildly by pincushion or the like, there is enough data in the image to correct the image and suffer little or no quality loss. -That Guy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IS in *istD From: Nick Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there any reason IS couldn't be implemented in software? You could produce a 5MP image from a 6MP sensor by using the extra pixels to shift the image. You'd need to measure the movement of the camera, which could be done using a sensor of some sort in the body, or could conceivably be done by measuring the movement of the image on the CCD. This could mean that IS could be added to the *istD by a firmware upgrade. This is all speculation, and I could be talking rubbish. Any comments? I doubt you could get fast enough response from the computerized parts of current DSLRs. You could more reasonably implement panorama-tools-like mathematical correction of lens flaws in firmware too, but apparently that is still too difficult an operation to get the cameras to do on the fly. My limited understanding of IS suggests that you will get much better results by implementing the stabilizing in the optical path rather than at the film plane whether you are moving the film plane mechanically or electronically. It's rather amazing how much you CAN'T do to correct flaws in a photographic image by computer. Unsharp mask, for example, does not in fact correct for bad focus--it just compensates for it by increasing local contrast. DJE
Re: PAW Art or entomology?
Hi, I've read comments Shel posted and I can at least say that I hope I comprehend what he is saying. I still would vote art in this very case. I am always intrigued by this question. So, once we have attached the label 'Art' - what then? What shall we do with it? -- Cheers, Bob In the room the women come and go Talking of Michelangelo - T S Eliot
Re: Traveller's questions
Hi, 1. Is photography officially allowed inside the airport buildings? That varies from country to country. Even in countries where it is allowed you should take sensible precautions. If you take photographs of security-related material don't be surprised if you miss your flight. 2. Is photography officially allowed on the planes? I have never had any problems with this. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: canon vs pentax
- Original Message - From: Subject: Re: canon vs pentax as to keep people with good old Pentax lenses from selling them in disgust and buying Canon. Sure, that would be the same Canon that completely abandoned their user base once already? At least Pentax doesn't have that in their history. William Robb
Re: Art confiscated by FBI
- Original Message - From: Peter J. Alling Subject: Re: Art confiscated by FBI Looks like a case of over zealous law enforcement. Once started these take on a life of their own since it's an axiom that no civil servant can ever admit to having made a mistake. Building contractors seem to have the same mindset... William Robb
Re: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs Pentax)
On 15/6/04, KEN T, discombobulated, offered: I do not pretend to know much about how they achieve IS effect, but I remember reading an article somewhere which said that the Canon style in-lens IS has two small gyros to detect X/Y axis movement, and the required lens shift amount is computed and actuated on a microsecond order (or something like that). This is correct. In fact you can switch off the horizontal damping for panning shots. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: GFM 2004 links as at 14th June.
On 15/6/04, WENDY, discombobulated, offered: The oficial event photographer didn't fare much better and seems to have made countless photos of Tan's very fuzzy butt! (very strange). Of course, we're talking about the Belgian Tanja, not the Aussie one (tee, hee). Not that they could ever be confused :-o Er, like I was for a few seconds very confusing!!! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
RE: ISTD in-camera corruption of RAW images
Hi Rob, On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:58:17 +1000, Rob Studdert wrote: Very interesting, which tool did you use to test the card? My own, 'DFSee' :-) I am a one-man data-recovery company, developing and selling a multi-platform data analysis and recovery tool (for DOS, Windows-NT/2000/XP and OS2). See: http://www.dfsee.com To keep this more on topic: there is even a small gallery and Pentax images there :-) Most of my efforts are aimed at FDISK kind of work, recovering from partitioning errors from users-errors, crashes or viruses and UNDELETE of files. The tool is also used in some large companies for automatic rollout of computers (automatic partitioning and image restore). I have a few enhancements planned now to make analysis of CF-cards and the like easier, and perhaps will add a generic 'image-recovery' too. It is possible (perhaps even likely) that a complete high-level format of the card will correctly map all defect clusters out. Maybe, but I know little about how the defect mapping and formating is managed on such media, possibly someone can enlighten us? I wonder if the defect information (if any) is retained in a NV area which isn't affected by executing the format function in-camera? Well, whatever the low-leve stuff does, as soon as bad-sectors are 'visible' for FORMAT and programs like mine, it will mean the filesystem has to avoid those. On a FAT filesystem that is accomplished by marking those clusters as 'BAD' in the file-allocation table. The problem is that there often are sectors that are not consitently failing, but intermittently ... snip And, more important, I contacted the seller, and they will most likely replace the card with a 1Gb Ultra-II card and send the old one in to Sandisk under guarantee. That would be a great replacement, so I am not trying to 'FIX' the card now if I can get a faster and new card instead :-) An excellent outcome. Right :-) It just makes me wonder if dubious cards like this find their way back into the market via eBay or other similar avenues? Who will tell, I would not be surprised at all ... Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery
Re: PAW .... Kaboom! and Man Waiting for Ketchup
On Jun 15, 2004, at 5:00 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: man waiting for ketchup I really like these shots. The color, the composition, and the framing are great. And they tell a story. I also am quite fond of the Leica. Is it an M3 with the meter? Great shots, great story. Sometimes a man waiting for ketchup is more dramatic than an automobile accident vbg. Nice work, Shel. Paul
Re: Traveller's questions
On 15/6/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, offered: Later this summer I am going to be travelling. I have some questions (how can I not? g) 1. Is photography officially allowed inside the airport buildings? 2. Is photography officially allowed on the planes? I am thinking of likes of ME Super, M 50/1.4 for possible low light and some 400 ASA film, probably b/w What d'you say? BOris Boy, these can'o'worm questions! The short answers are: 1. No. and 2. No. The look-like you're a tourist with a pointyshootycam is: 1. Yes and 2. Yes. The Long answer is: 1. Maybe 2. Maybe. -- To cut a long story short, if you're quick and don't hang about, you'll be fine, especially in the airport. Lots of folk with cameras shoot lots of pics of aircraft, and no problems. If you start mucking about with a tripod and a large camera, you'll have security buzing around you like flies on a pile of poo asking questions. The bigger the camera, the harder the questions. Be discreet, be quick, and you'll be fine. Keep the gear simple and honest, you'll be fine. If I was going to do a series in an airport I would contact the PR and talk it out with them first. If I was travelling through and snapping as i went, i would just do it. The key is this - look like a tourist and you are a tourist. Things NOT to photograph: any sensitive areas like security checks, x-ray areas, security camera installations, hallways and doorways, any machinery that relates to airport infrastructure (like baggage handling equipment close up etc), or *any* military aircraft or vehicles. Tip: if you're ever killing time in an airport and happen to be standing close to x-ray security check areas, don't stare at the operations staff - they will ask you to move on. For the sort of stuff you're after, you'll be fine. Have fun and carry on until someone questions your motives :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
RE: A-lenses aperture indication
I thought that A and FA lenses had the same KAF-mount contacts. Apparently they don't!! F/FA lenses have a chip inside them while A lenses don't. They look the same, but work differently. Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: GFM 2004 links as at 14th June.
Darn, Ann, I watched you make that shot. Amazing how you can turn the ordinary into the extrordinary. Somehow, I do not think that one would work quite so well in color. -- Ann Sanfedele wrote: Malcolm Smith wrote: frank theriault wrote: Thanks, Malcolm, for compiling them. I hope you're able to keep doing it, and by the time everything's posted, it will make a tremendous souvenir for those of us who were there, and those of you who weren't (and hopefully, an incentive for you to come next year). snip) annsan writes: Here is one more - if I can get all my chorse done before I depart I'll do an HTML instead of the sep jpgs... http://users.rcn.com/annsan/steepgrade.jpg I cant find my contest losers or any of the slides I took (I'd ask my shrink except I dont have one:) ) As I had only one roll of film and no chemicals in house I had Spectra develop the TX - which was a roll abaout 3 years past date - I know someone who would like to take a black cloth to my scanner... :) ann -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: IS in *istD
Several I believe. An interesting thing is that historically Pentax has invented all kinds of camera technology, then licensed it to a competitor before using it themselves. I think it comes from them being primarily an engineering company rather than a marketing company. Note that the Nikon D2H seems to be using a Pentax designed autofocus system. -- Jens Bladt wrote: ...imagine ist could be image stabilizing technology :-) Well, the spotmatic didn't have a spotmetering feature, eventhough the prototype had! AFAIR Pentax has a patent for IS, right? -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
OT: SciFi was:Re: Camera Bag Enabled
On 15/6/04, STEVE DJ, discombobulated, offered: BTW, Cotty, there is a course in our English dept on fantasy literature and it includes some SciFi. After many animated conversations in the gym, my colleague invited me to do 3 or 4 lectures on some books of my choosing. I've now done this for the last 8 years, and I always enjoy playing Lit Critic under the watchful eye of a pro. So, at least for a little bit, I get to talk about SciFi to a captive audience and get paid for it. Steve (Your fellow Geek). Okay, how cool is this: in 1974 when I was a freshman in High School, I did a semester of Predictive Lit - which was basically reading and writing sci-fi, and getting credits towards my English requirements. True. Required reading: Asimov, Clarke, Farmer, and others. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Tell me about this Velbon
Hi all, Today I was helping a friend clearing out an apartment. He gave me some stuff. Among other things a Velbon tripod, maybe a 1970:s model. The model is a Velbon SE-4. I haven't done much shooting with a tripod, and what I've already got is lightweight stuff. This seems to be a pretty stable one. Does anyone know anything about this model? Where does it fit in the hierarchy of tripods? At what price level would I find it new? (This one was actually new in box.) Thanks, Lasse
Re: OT: SciFi was:Re: Camera Bag Enabled
Considering what they did to the Wild Wild West, and that was only a TV show, I think I'll close my mind unless someone I trust tells me I should do otherwise. Gonz wrote: I saw the previews of I Robot recently. I don't know what to make of it. On one hand I'm happy that major studios have finally taken up an Asimov classic SciFi story and made a movie out of it. On the other hand, I'm afraid of what they'll do to the original story. Given Hollywood's appetite for shallowness and special effects, and adding Will Smith as the major character, the end result is sure to dissapoint, but I'm keeping my mind open just in case. Steve Desjardins wrote: I used to watch Thunderbirds as a kid. I also think I built a plastic model of every damn one of those things. Now that brings back memories. BTW, Cotty, there is a course in our English dept on fantasy literature and it includes some SciFi. After many animated conversations in the gym, my colleague invited me to do 3 or 4 lectures on some books of my choosing. I've now done this for the last 8 years, and I always enjoy playing Lit Critic under the watchful eye of a pro. So, at least for a little bit, I get to talk about SciFi to a captive audience and get paid for it. Steve (Your fellow Geek). [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/14/04 05:40PM Seeing as I seemed to somehow mysteriously acquire a couple of lenses in America, I was driving home from London (Pinewood Studios - *see below) and suddenly enabled myself to buy a new, bigger bag for my gear :-) I had a Lowepro Micro Trekker 200 which is pretty diddy really, so I got a Mini Trekker AW from Morris Photo in Oxford. I don't like these massive bags that you see, and besides, shoe-horning everything in is a challenge... http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/spare.html [* I had a brilliant job today - met one of my all-time heroes - Gerry Anderson. He's got a building full of people working on a new tv series - a remake of Captain Scarlet using CGI (computers imaging to you Tanja). It's a bit like Max Steele but there the similarity ends. Shooting HDTV and using photo-real software, the stuff is AMAZING. The walls were covered with inkjets of all the new vehicles and ships. Cloud base is now called Sky Base and has four runways. All sorts of new gizmos and ships - and the computer animation is awesome. Gerry Anderson (creator of Thunderbirds etc) is a charming man in his seventies, and his office is awesome - he showed me a model of Lady Penelope's FAB 1 made of solid silver, with incredible detail. Models and pics all over the place. I told him I have a model of Sky 1 (from 'UFO' somewhere with broken wings - and I am inspired to fix it :-) I'm such a Sci Fi geek... Fabulous day ] NB - Pentax Content: link leads to image with a Pentax lens visible (just) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: OT: SciFi was:Re: Camera Bag Enabled
Bob W wrote: Hi, Tuesday, June 15, 2004, 8:57:05 PM, Gonz wrote: I saw the previews of I Robot recently. I don't know what to make of it. On one hand I'm happy that major studios have finally taken up an Asimov classic SciFi story and made a movie out of it. On the other hand, I'm afraid of what they'll do to the original story. Given Hollywood's appetite for shallowness and special effects, and adding Will Smith as the major character, the end result is sure to dissapoint, but I'm keeping my mind open just in case. one way of translating the Arabic words 'al-Qaida' is 'the Foundation'. Some people have claimed that Osama bin Laden is an Asimov fan. This article says that the Aum terrorists in Japan were certainly inspired by his books. http://books.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,12084,779530,00.html Asimov, good pacifist that he was, would be appalled. Giles Foden wrote the article. His book 'Zanzibar' is a good thriller, with a very realistic sense of place.
Re: PAW Art or entomology?
Shel Belinkoff wrote: I recently had a discussion with a couple of photographers, the subject of which was how Photoshop relates to Photography. Is an image that has been extensively adjusted in Photoshop still a photograph, or has it somehow morphed into something else? Is there a line somewhere that, when crossed, moves the image out of the category of Photograph into something else? If we held ourselves to their standard then we would all be shooting slide film and none of that saturated color stuff either! Everyone draws that line in a different place in the sand because we all have different purposes in our photography. Someone who wants to document the world the way it really is probably appalled by the polarizing filters, saturated films, etc. that we use. Others are after something entirely different and will put a lion lurking on top of the Empire State Building. Who's right? They both are unless their intent is to deceive. That's only allowed in advertising. And what is that something else? What I see in so many of these bug pictures is a reliance on technique and technology to produce something that's as perfect as possible, but there's no life in what I see, no vibrancy, nothing to get me involved and to move me past an acknowledgement that the workmanship is good. There's something to be said for good workmanship, but that alone does not create art. I can appreciate the photograph as one that says look at the cool caterpillar I found. It is a beautiful critter in my eyes and that may make it art to me. It evoked an emotional reaction in me. If we have to define art then my definition is that any creation that stirs an emotional response in someone is art to that person. Some might say that an emotional response isn't enough and that it must also stimulate thought. This picture obviously passes that test too! G We could also debate whether the emotional response must be positive for the object to be art. I certainly don't think any art can be disgusting but disgusting is an opinion as much as an emotion. I guess I want MORE from a photograph, more from art ... something that goes beyond the surface of the image and the gloss on the print. I want to feel that the artist has something to say, something original to say, and that he or she is trying to make a statement that goes beyond just capturing light on film and pixels, and which is then run through enough Photoshop to suck the life out of it. I don't mind technically imperfect photos (although I love it when people try to make 'em, push themselves and their work to tell us something) that make us think and feel. That's a difficult standard in nature photography. Drama, suspense, affection, playfulness, serenity etc can all be captured in the natural world but can an artist inject a personal statement into the natural world? Very thought provoking stuff Shel. I for one appreciate your sticking your neck out and risking the flak. Tom Reese
Manual for a Sunpak flash
A friend gave me a Sunpak flash unit today. It was like new in box. It looks like an 1970:s--early 1980:s auto model. Does tilt and swivel. The designation is Sunpak Auto 300. It didn't however come with a manual. It's pretty self explanatory, but still I was wondering if there was any place on the net where one could find old Sunpak manuals, or does anyone happen to have a manual for this flash? If so, feel welcome to get in touch off-list, or if there were any observations regarding using it, tell me about it. Thanks, Lasse
Re: OT: SciFi was:Re: Camera Bag Enabled
Yeah, I'd love to see a Foundation mini-series. I too have long been a Gerry Anderson fan... UFO, Thunderbirds, Captain Scarlett, The Bishop... Clifford D. Simak wrote some great science fiction too... like Way Station. Tom C. From: Jim Apilado [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: SciFi was:Re: Camera Bag Enabled Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:45:05 -0700 I agree about getting an Asimov story on film. Star Trek: N.G. paid homage with Mr. Data having a positronic brain. I think, too, one of the Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics was cited. Can't recall which one. I would love to see a series on the SciFi Channel devoted to the Foundation stories. Jim A. From: Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:57:05 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: SciFi was:Re: Camera Bag Enabled Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:58:20 -0400 I saw the previews of I Robot recently. I don't know what to make of it. On one hand I'm happy that major studios have finally taken up an Asimov classic SciFi story and made a movie out of it. On the other hand, I'm afraid of what they'll do to the original story. Given Hollywood's appetite for shallowness and special effects, and adding Will Smith as the major character, the end result is sure to dissapoint, but I'm keeping my mind open just in case. Steve Desjardins wrote: I used to watch Thunderbirds as a kid. I also think I built a plastic model of every damn one of those things. Now that brings back memories. BTW, Cotty, there is a course in our English dept on fantasy literature and it includes some SciFi. After many animated conversations in the gym, my colleague invited me to do 3 or 4 lectures on some books of my choosing. I've now done this for the last 8 years, and I always enjoy playing Lit Critic under the watchful eye of a pro. So, at least for a little bit, I get to talk about SciFi to a captive audience and get paid for it. Steve (Your fellow Geek). [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/14/04 05:40PM Seeing as I seemed to somehow mysteriously acquire a couple of lenses in America, I was driving home from London (Pinewood Studios - *see below) and suddenly enabled myself to buy a new, bigger bag for my gear :-) I had a Lowepro Micro Trekker 200 which is pretty diddy really, so I got a Mini Trekker AW from Morris Photo in Oxford. I don't like these massive bags that you see, and besides, shoe-horning everything in is a challenge... http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/spare.html [* I had a brilliant job today - met one of my all-time heroes - Gerry Anderson. He's got a building full of people working on a new tv series - a remake of Captain Scarlet using CGI (computers imaging to you Tanja). It's a bit like Max Steele but there the similarity ends. Shooting HDTV and using photo-real software, the stuff is AMAZING. The walls were covered with inkjets of all the new vehicles and ships. Cloud base is now called Sky Base and has four runways. All sorts of new gizmos and ships - and the computer animation is awesome. Gerry Anderson (creator of Thunderbirds etc) is a charming man in his seventies, and his office is awesome - he showed me a model of Lady Penelope's FAB 1 made of solid silver, with incredible detail. Models and pics all over the place. I told him I have a model of Sky 1 (from 'UFO' somewhere with broken wings - and I am inspired to fix it :-) I'm such a Sci Fi geek... Fabulous day ] NB - Pentax Content: link leads to image with a Pentax lens visible (just) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: OT: SciFi was:Re: Camera Bag Enabled
one way of translating the Arabic words 'al-Qaida' is 'the Foundation'. Some people have claimed that Osama bin Laden is an Asimov fan. This article says that the Aum terrorists in Japan were certainly inspired by his books. http://books.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,12084,779530,00.html Foundation... I thought bin Laden was into ladies undergarments. Tom C.
Re: OT: SciFi was:Re: Camera Bag Enabled
Damn, you were lucky, at College, I signed up for a course called History Through Science Fiction, the required reading included Bellamy, for his book Looking Backward and all of the most politically correct of SF authors, the most readable of which was Verne. When I asked why we weren't reading any of the future historys by the likes of Heinlein, Asimov, or Anderson I was informed that they were either cold warriors, hacks or both. Obviously if someone wrote in non stilted modern prose they couldn't be good, and their view of history could not be valid. Cotty wrote: On 15/6/04, STEVE DJ, discombobulated, offered: BTW, Cotty, there is a course in our English dept on fantasy literature and it includes some SciFi. After many animated conversations in the gym, my colleague invited me to do 3 or 4 lectures on some books of my choosing. I've now done this for the last 8 years, and I always enjoy playing Lit Critic under the watchful eye of a pro. So, at least for a little bit, I get to talk about SciFi to a captive audience and get paid for it. Steve (Your fellow Geek). Okay, how cool is this: in 1974 when I was a freshman in High School, I did a semester of Predictive Lit - which was basically reading and writing sci-fi, and getting credits towards my English requirements. True. Required reading: Asimov, Clarke, Farmer, and others. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: GFM 2004 links as at 14th June.
graywolf wrote: Darn, Ann, I watched you make that shot. Amazing how you can turn the ordinary into the extrordinary. Somehow, I do not think that one would work quite so well in color. -- Thanks, Tom - I guess that means you like it :) I took a similar one in color - but didn't want to spend too much of the slide film on that kind of thing. THe black and white one is the only frame on that roll that has the sign in it. Just following my addiction. :) ann Ann Sanfedele wrote: Malcolm Smith wrote: frank theriault wrote: Thanks, Malcolm, for compiling them. I hope you're able to keep doing it, and by the time everything's posted, it will make a tremendous souvenir for those of us who were there, and those of you who weren't (and hopefully, an incentive for you to come next year). snip) annsan writes: Here is one more - if I can get all my chorse done before I depart I'll do an HTML instead of the sep jpgs... http://users.rcn.com/annsan/steepgrade.jpg I cant find my contest losers or any of the slides I took (I'd ask my shrink except I dont have one:) ) As I had only one roll of film and no chemicals in house I had Spectra develop the TX - which was a roll abaout 3 years past date - I know someone who would like to take a black cloth to my scanner... :) ann -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: Manual for a Sunpak flash
Craig Camera is always a good source to search for manuals. He does list the Sunpak Auto 300 as available. http://www.craigcamera.com/ib_sunpak.htm Paul - Original Message - From: Lasse Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 4:45 PM Subject: Manual for a Sunpak flash A friend gave me a Sunpak flash unit today. It was like new in box. It looks like an 1970:s--early 1980:s auto model. Does tilt and swivel. The designation is Sunpak Auto 300. It didn't however come with a manual. It's pretty self explanatory, but still I was wondering if there was any place on the net where one could find old Sunpak manuals, or does anyone happen to have a manual for this flash? If so, feel welcome to get in touch off-list, or if there were any observations regarding using it, tell me about it. Thanks, Lasse
Re: GFM 2004 links as at 14th June.
This has the look and feel of a 1940's or 1950's National Geographic shot. (I've always liked those). Ann Sanfedele wrote: Malcolm Smith wrote: frank theriault wrote: Thanks, Malcolm, for compiling them. I hope you're able to keep doing it, and by the time everything's posted, it will make a tremendous souvenir for those of us who were there, and those of you who weren't (and hopefully, an incentive for you to come next year). snip) annsan writes: Here is one more - if I can get all my chorse done before I depart I'll do an HTML instead of the sep jpgs... http://users.rcn.com/annsan/steepgrade.jpg I cant find my contest losers or any of the slides I took (I'd ask my shrink except I dont have one:) ) As I had only one roll of film and no chemicals in house I had Spectra develop the TX - which was a roll abaout 3 years past date - I know someone who would like to take a black cloth to my scanner... :) ann
RE: OT: SciFi was:Re: Camera Bag Enabled
Who's directing the film? It may end up the same disaster as Hollywood's Solaris -- Average movie goers got bored by it, fans of Tarkovsky's version despised it, and fans of Stanislaw Lem's book hated it ( many of them felt Tarkovsky's version fell short as well ). But since Will Smith is doing the action, maybe average movie goers will like I Robot. Yefei Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:57:05 -0500 From: Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: SciFi was:Re: Camera Bag Enabled Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw the previews of I Robot recently. I don't know what to make of it. On one hand I'm happy that major studios have finally taken up an Asimov classic SciFi story and made a movie out of it. On the other hand, I'm afraid of what they'll do to the original story. Given Hollywood's appetite for shallowness and special effects, and adding Will Smith as the major character, the end result is sure to dissapoint, but I'm keeping my mind open just in case.
Re: canon vs pentax
Hmm, so... does IS/VR somehow require USM? I would think it requires at least internal power in the lens. Humm..? But so did power zoom, didn't it? Indeed, good point And the powerzoom contacts are, of course, not present on the *istD Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday Director of Development, eyeon Software
Re: Manual for a Sunpak flash
Thanks a lot, Paul, for trying to help out. However, I forgot to mention that I am practising the art of strictly zero budget living (except for food, rent, electricity, telephone, internet)... and was just thinking if someone kmew if Sunpak had a download site or if there'd be some other free download site somewhere (although I realise it's a long shot that anyone would bother scanning and uploading old Sunpak manuals). I'm happy to see that they want 18$$ for it though. Makes me feel like gaining that amount by figuring out the flash by myself... :) Anyway, thanks again, Paul, much appreciated, Lasse - Original Message - From: Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:01 AM Subject: Re: Manual for a Sunpak flash Craig Camera is always a good source to search for manuals. He does list the Sunpak Auto 300 as available. http://www.craigcamera.com/ib_sunpak.htm Paul - Original Message - From: Lasse Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 4:45 PM Subject: Manual for a Sunpak flash A friend gave me a Sunpak flash unit today. It was like new in box. It looks like an 1970:s--early 1980:s auto model. Does tilt and swivel. The designation is Sunpak Auto 300. It didn't however come with a manual. It's pretty self explanatory, but still I was wondering if there was any place on the net where one could find old Sunpak manuals, or does anyone happen to have a manual for this flash? If so, feel welcome to get in touch off-list, or if there were any observations regarding using it, tell me about it. Thanks, Lasse
Re: OT: SciFi was:Re: Camera Bag Enabled
Dunno, but I loved Solaris - the whole visual/sound experience really did it for me. In contrast I got bored by the Tarkovsky version! I Robot will be another Will Smith, men in black, wild wild west, hollywood film for kids. A. On 16 Jun 2004, at 00:15, Yefei He wrote: Who's directing the film? It may end up the same disaster as Hollywood's Solaris -- Average movie goers got bored by it, fans of Tarkovsky's version despised it, and fans of Stanislaw Lem's book hated it ( many of them felt Tarkovsky's version fell short as well ). But since Will Smith is doing the action, maybe average movie goers will like I Robot. Yefei Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:57:05 -0500 From: Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: SciFi was:Re: Camera Bag Enabled Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw the previews of I Robot recently. I don't know what to make of it. On one hand I'm happy that major studios have finally taken up an Asimov classic SciFi story and made a movie out of it. On the other hand, I'm afraid of what they'll do to the original story. Given Hollywood's appetite for shallowness and special effects, and adding Will Smith as the major character, the end result is sure to dissapoint, but I'm keeping my mind open just in case.
Re: IS in *istD
Note that the Nikon D2H seems to be using a Pentax designed autofocus system. Just out of interest, is there any actual evidence of this (other than the fact it looks to be the same)? Not that I'm saying you're wrong, I was just interested if there had been any sort of announcement about it or anything to read? Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday
Re: GFM 2004 links as at 14th June.
Peter J. Alling wrote: This has the look and feel of a 1940's or 1950's National Geographic shot. (I've always liked those). Ann Sanfedele wrote: annsan writes: Here is one more - if I can get all my chorse done before I depart I'll do an HTML instead of the sep jpgs... http://users.rcn.com/annsan/steepgrade.jpg Well, I DID shoot it with outdated film :) Glad you like, Peter - and thanks for the opportunity for a snappy response, too ! vbg And I'm just about to take a trip to visit a couple of guys I haven't seen in nearly 50 years, too - guess I'm in back to the future mode ann
GFM: Dans l'Objectif du Lapin Demente
Got back a coupla rolls o' colour today. These are all the arm's length self-portraits plus vicitm(s). None left out, no cropping: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=405579 Now ~that's~ photography, as well as art! How could they not be? vbg I'll scan some more non-self portraits later, and post later tonight or tomorrow. There may be more self-portraits plus victim(s) on yet-to-be developed rolls, I don't know. Hope you enjoy these! BTW, all taken Saturday night. That was a fun evening... vbg cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Casio/Pentax
I was idly browsing in a camera shop window earlier when a small digicam caught my eye. It had a 3X optical Pentax SMC lens, but was a Casio Exlim camera! I didn't know those two had tied up. I knew Pentax and HP had collaborated in the past. Nick
Re: GFM: Dans l'Objectif du Lapin Demente
Amazing what a good camera can produce. Antonio On 16 Jun 2004, at 00:27, frank theriault wrote: Got back a coupla rolls o' colour today. These are all the arm's length self-portraits plus vicitm(s). None left out, no cropping: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=405579 Now ~that's~ photography, as well as art! How could they not be? vbg I'll scan some more non-self portraits later, and post later tonight or tomorrow. There may be more self-portraits plus victim(s) on yet-to-be developed rolls, I don't know. Hope you enjoy these! BTW, all taken Saturday night. That was a fun evening... vbg cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/ premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/ encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
E-mails Purportedly from Me
I've been alerted by a list member that he received an e-mail from a Knarf.theriault, with the subject line changes (or something like that), with an attachment. If you receive one, please be aware it's not from me. I've not sent out any such e-mail recently, if ever. My guess is that it may be corrupt, and you should probably delete it immediately, if you haven't already. I seriously doubt that it's a virus from my computer, as I only use hotmail for e-mails now, and don't surf much otherwise. I also don't open any e-mails from anyone I don't know, and rarely open attachments. All my anti-virus stuff is up to date. My guess is that someone is doing this without my authorization. If you get one, could you please let me know off list? If enough of these have been sent out, I will investigate, and take whatever action is necessary to stop this crap. thanks, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: OT: SciFi was:Re: Camera Bag Enabled
- Original Message - From: Yefei He Subject: RE: OT: SciFi was:Re: Camera Bag Enabled But since Will Smith is doing the action, maybe average movie goers will like I Robot. There was action in I Robot? William Robb
Re: PAW: Venus - of course - and Shawn
Hi Shawn, I've got a suggestion, or a question for you. Unless I got things mixed up, this sad development of threads directed at you, or from you, started with your comment on Reagan. . As it turned out you got a lot of flake for it (and as far as I'm concerned your comment didn't call for everything that was directed at you) and it escalated to where it sort of stands now. I don't think that anyone really is happy about what it turned into, not even those who were most verbal against you. I am sure that there are others feeling the same way. My suggestion/question to you, is - do you realise that if you'd go back to just being Shawn K. again and started or continued to take part in any ongoing threads in the way that you used to before it got out of hand, you'd pretty soon be accepted and in some time you'd become a regular PDML member again. I've been on this list for more than six years now, and I can tell you that there is this slack to this list, no matter how it may appear to you right now. That is, if you'd care to give it a shot. Thanks for reading, Lasse From: That Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 2:53 AM Subject: RE: PAW: Venus - of course - and Shawn You should be, I already called my lawyer about William Robbs little threats to do bodily harm for advice, I might as well send him these emails you keep harassing me with. -Shawn -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 6:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: PAW: Venus - of course - and Shawn Oooo. Now I'm ~really~ scared... Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! -frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: That Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: PAW: Venus - of course - and Shawn Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:21:32 -0400 Frank, False accusations are also a criminal act Frank, the more you talk the more the scales tilt. -That Guy _ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=htt p://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: GFM: Dans l'Objectif du Lapin Demente
Frank, You may be insane. But then again, I begin to think sanity is overrated. frank theriault wrote: Got back a coupla rolls o' colour today. These are all the arm's length self-portraits plus vicitm(s). None left out, no cropping: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=405579 Now ~that's~ photography, as well as art! How could they not be? vbg I'll scan some more non-self portraits later, and post later tonight or tomorrow. There may be more self-portraits plus victim(s) on yet-to-be developed rolls, I don't know. Hope you enjoy these! BTW, all taken Saturday night. That was a fun evening... vbg cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: E-mails Purportedly from Me
Frank My guess would be that there is a virus on ther server - which would also explain the problems I and others have had of late. Antonio On 16 Jun 2004, at 00:37, frank theriault wrote: I've been alerted by a list member that he received an e-mail from a Knarf.theriault, with the subject line changes (or something like that), with an attachment. If you receive one, please be aware it's not from me. I've not sent out any such e-mail recently, if ever. My guess is that it may be corrupt, and you should probably delete it immediately, if you haven't already. I seriously doubt that it's a virus from my computer, as I only use hotmail for e-mails now, and don't surf much otherwise. I also don't open any e-mails from anyone I don't know, and rarely open attachments. All my anti-virus stuff is up to date. My guess is that someone is doing this without my authorization. If you get one, could you please let me know off list? If enough of these have been sent out, I will investigate, and take whatever action is necessary to stop this crap. thanks, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/ premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/ encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
RE: Tell me about this Velbon
I don't know this model. I have two or three Velbon tripods. Mine are not from a professional seriese - so I don't throw them arround. But they are quite sturdy, light and can serve for manyyears (I have one 20 years old) if treated carefully. I have one I like vrey much with a tiltable collumn (Victory 650), that allows me make photographs (repro) from drawings etc., lying on the floor or the ground. This makes the tripod less strudy, but nevertheless fairly good. I paid appr. 100 USD for it 15 yeras ago. All the best Jens mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Lasse Karlsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 15. juni 2004 23:29 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Tell me about this Velbon Hi all, Today I was helping a friend clearing out an apartment. He gave me some stuff. Among other things a Velbon tripod, maybe a 1970:s model. The model is a Velbon SE-4. I haven't done much shooting with a tripod, and what I've already got is lightweight stuff. This seems to be a pretty stable one. Does anyone know anything about this model? Where does it fit in the hierarchy of tripods? At what price level would I find it new? (This one was actually new in box.) Thanks, Lasse
RE: PAW - Flower
On 16 Jun 2004 at 5:25, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: The cool colour thingy didn't happen for me! No fair... Nor me using IE, then I tried Mozilla and Netscape and it did. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: pics
On 15 Jun 2004 at 11:20, Bruce Dayton wrote: Thanks Dave, for perservering through two posts to make those comments. When I saw those fences and fields, I asked my friend (the driver) to quickly stop the car so I could get the shots. I think he was minorly annoyed, but oh well... Ah the dreaded non-photographic obsessed driver syndrome. I don't know what's worse, the one that got away feeling that you get when you drive straight past the perfect scene or the irritation in your driver that seems to build at every non-scheduled stop :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: OT: SciFi was:Re: Camera Bag Enabled
Yeah, I'd love to see a Foundation mini-series. I too have long been a Gerry Anderson fan... UFO, Thunderbirds, Captain Scarlett, The Bishop... Clifford D. Simak wrote some great science fiction too... like Way Station. Tom C. I Robot is coming out shortly. Do you think it will be any good? Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
Re: Traveller's questions
Great rig! But Where are you going? - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 2:19 PM Subject: Traveller's questions Hi! Later this summer I am going to be travelling. I have some questions (how can I not? g) 1. Is photography officially allowed inside the airport buildings? 2. Is photography officially allowed on the planes? I am thinking of likes of ME Super, M 50/1.4 for possible low light and some 400 ASA film, probably b/w What d'you say? BOris
