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On Dec 23, 2006, at 4:17 AM, graywolf wrote: Yes, and drivers used to tell me they liked the blinky light on the back of my bike, it gave them something to am at. Which brings up the question, are you more likely to get hit by someone who did not see you, or somebody who did and claims afterward that they did not? There's a fine line between making yourself noticed and being distracting. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 12/22/06, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 22, 2006, at 10:19 AM, graywolf wrote: That is correct, but I have seen couriers who have added a front brake. However, Knarf has gone sissy on us, and bought himself a road bike. Technically it's illegal to ride a track bike here as we have to have working brakes. Much like the wheel reflectors that everyone removes 10 seconds after they leave the shop (especially from road bikes; I've seen what those things do to the wheel balance). And as someone who's had near misses at night because I couldn't see the bike until I was almost on top of it, can I say how stupid it is. Right up their with joggers who wear black while jogging at night. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Yes, and drivers used to tell me they liked the blinky light on the back of my bike, it gave them something to am at. Which brings up the question, are you more likely to get hit by someone who did not see you, or somebody who did and claims afterward that they did not? Anyway, anyone who think reflectors are adequate deserves to be run over. Lights pleas! David Savage wrote: On 12/22/06, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 22, 2006, at 10:19 AM, graywolf wrote: That is correct, but I have seen couriers who have added a front brake. However, Knarf has gone sissy on us, and bought himself a road bike. Technically it's illegal to ride a track bike here as we have to have working brakes. Much like the wheel reflectors that everyone removes 10 seconds after they leave the shop (especially from road bikes; I've seen what those things do to the wheel balance). And as someone who's had near misses at night because I couldn't see the bike until I was almost on top of it, can I say how stupid it is. Right up their with joggers who wear black while jogging at night. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 12/23/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, and drivers used to tell me they liked the blinky light on the back of my bike, it gave them something to am at. Which brings up the question, are you more likely to get hit by someone who did not see you, or somebody who did and claims afterward that they did not? I think your being paranoid Tom. ;-) Anyway, anyone who think reflectors are adequate deserves to be run over. Lights please! Oh, I agree. Cheers, Dave David Savage wrote: On 12/22/06, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 22, 2006, at 10:19 AM, graywolf wrote: That is correct, but I have seen couriers who have added a front brake. However, Knarf has gone sissy on us, and bought himself a road bike. Technically it's illegal to ride a track bike here as we have to have working brakes. Much like the wheel reflectors that everyone removes 10 seconds after they leave the shop (especially from road bikes; I've seen what those things do to the wheel balance). And as someone who's had near misses at night because I couldn't see the bike until I was almost on top of it, can I say how stupid it is. Right up their with joggers who wear black while jogging at night. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Dec 22, 2006, at 10:19 AM, graywolf wrote: That is correct, but I have seen couriers who have added a front brake. However, Knarf has gone sissy on us, and bought himself a road bike. Technically it's illegal to ride a track bike here as we have to have working brakes. Much like the wheel reflectors that everyone removes 10 seconds after they leave the shop (especially from road bikes; I've seen what those things do to the wheel balance). Trials bikes (one of which I posted a link to yesterday) do have brakes - very strong brakes - but they have no seat. However they're not the kind of thing you'd use to commute to work. Now I guess we can expect a 1000 posts telling me I should get rid of those old bikes and buy a helium filled boron tube frame racing bike for $20,000. I don't remember who I'm quoting here, but a few dollars worth of laxatives can apparently save you the equivalent of several thousand dollars in bike part upgrades :) However, if you do want to go crazy... http://www.poshbikes.com/ Carbon chainrings, anyone? - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 20/12/06, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I should know better than to get into this, but I've found very few theaters that can present a movie as well as I can in my home. I have a dark room with big, comfortable leather chairs positioned 15 feet from a 61- inch Pioneer plasma HDTV. At the four corners I have four Polk tower speakers with 100 watt pre-amps plus a Polk center speaker below the screen and a Velodyne subwoofer. The broadcast comes from Direct TV via a 5Nb satellite dish that pulls down multiple signals from a variety of satellites. I also have an upsampling Panasonic DVD player. Blue Ray coming soon. The sound is processed by a 550 watt Pioneer five plus one surround sound receiver.Not everyone wants to spend on this kind of equipment for home entertainment. But my wife and I rarely leave the house for anything other than work. This is our entertainment. We took the money others spend on dinners and going out and put it into this room. So JCO has a point. But he should only make it once. As I intend to do. RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Am I wrong, I thought track bikes had no brakes? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter On Dec 21, 2006, at 2:38 AM, frank theriault wrote: On 12/20/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Franks a hard man. He rides a bicycle with no gears, no brakes, and no seat ! I have a seat. Then it's time to take up trials riding. http://webcyclery.com/product.php?productid=17634 Unfortunately I can't even do a decent track-stand :( - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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That is correct, but I have seen couriers who have added a front brake. However, Knarf has gone sissy on us, and bought himself a road bike. --That said by a guy who has two bikes, both full dress commuters that he does not ride much. One a Dunalt English 3-speed from the early seventies, the other a 21-speed Bianchi from the ninties (this one I had to speed a lot of money to turn into a commuter, kevlar tires, fenders, lights, decent saddle, etc). Both have Brooks touring saddles.-- Now I guess we can expect a 1000 posts telling me I should get rid of those old bikes and buy a helium filled boron tube frame racing bike for $20,000. However I would like to point out how consist I am. My favorite camera was made in 1952, my stereo in the seventies, my TV in 1989, my truck in 1994. The watch makers lathe on display on the bookcase in my living room was made in 1892, and the company will make you a new one just like it today on special order. I like things that have stood the test of time. Sorry, stream of consciousness stuff. Kenneth Waller wrote: Am I wrong, I thought track bikes had no brakes? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter On Dec 21, 2006, at 2:38 AM, frank theriault wrote: On 12/20/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Franks a hard man. He rides a bicycle with no gears, no brakes, and no seat ! I have a seat. Then it's time to take up trials riding. http://webcyclery.com/product.php?productid=17634 Unfortunately I can't even do a decent track-stand :( - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Well, 'they' in this instance includes me. I have a 14 analogue set. No cable, no satellite, not even an aerial, and the picture is rubbish. I don't care. I've got better things to do with my time and money. You can believe that or not, but it is a fact, not an opinion and your disbelief is no cause to keep banging on about it. And now you have heard of people who don't care whether their TV picture sucks or is good, so lets just get over it and get on with the rest of our lives, shall we? -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell Sent: 20 December 2006 01:03 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter Because I dont belive it, that's why. Why wouldnt they care? Are they legally blind or something? I have never heard of anyone who didnt care whether their TV picture sucks or is good in my life. And that is what this is, good vs sucks TV picture. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob W Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 6:51 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter I asked the question, WHY would you stick with analog when you can now get something much much better for very low cost? and plenty of people have given you the answer: they just don't give a shit. So why not leave it at that? -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell Sent: 19 December 2006 23:30 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter I will respond to one thing, and its not to win its on the topic. I have already stated this about 10 times, these sets are now CHEAPER than they were 10 years ago with way better picture quality which give you ( I think I forgot to mention this) way better VIEWING EXPERIENCE. I remember when I first started viewing really good HD sources, that now only was the the picture better than I expected, it was better than I could even imagined was possible. That was my first impression of it all. Secondly, you get fairly easily get a whole bunch of HDTV feeds for no monthly fee at all by buying a good antenna for around $100. As for the stupid comments I didnt say anyone was stupid, I asked the question, WHY would you stick with analog when you can now get something much much better for very low cost? Its like sticking with dialup even after DSL came way down in price, or sticking with an old PC just because it still works. If the new product is cheap enough to be affordable, who cares if its 100 times the price of the old one if it does things the old one cant? NTSC cant do for you what HD can. Trust me on this, the difference is not subtle and I am not talking about specs, I am talking about the difference in the viewing experence. I not only wouldnt watch an old analog NTSC set even if you gave me the best one ever made and for free. that means HD would be infinately more costly, but it not the cost factor that counts, its the entertainment value that counts. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cory Papenfuss Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:19 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote: I forgot something, THE PICTURE (quality) IS NOT IMPORTANT for a lot of people? Are you crazy? I am posting this stuff in a photo forum inhabited by mostly photographers. They should know better than that unless all they watch is hillbilly shows like COPS, Pro Wrestling, AND Fear Factor. Thats not the demographic of this group I dont think makes any sense to say that. Vastly improved picture quality enhances motion pictures just as much it does still pictures...Come on with this stuff! jco For a factor of 2-3x in price to replace a TV set, followed with (often significantly) higher costs for high-def feeds? Most people I know don't spend 5 hours a day watching TV. I personally watch about 3 hours, but it's on my homebrew Tivo (MythTV, actually), so I can watch 3 hours of network television (documentaries, mostly) in about 1.5 hours. No commercials and sped up a few percent. You stated a few facts. High-def is better, technically, yes. HD sets have gotten cheaper, yes. Imposing your OPINION that everybody who hasn't bought a new set and upgraded their service is stupid is, well, stupid. State your facts, correct others' incorrect facts in a polite way, state your opinions, and then respect the fact that others may not agree. I'm sure you will find the need to rebut
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Yeah, but Frank looks like he could run for quite a while. The thinnish mountain air will quickly tire Cotty out. All Frank then has to do is sucker punch him. 65' is good for some things, running isn't one of them. Of course, all bets are off if Frank can't run 3 meters without having a coughing fit. :-) Dave On 12/19/06, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's see, 6 foot 5 inches and lugs around a big honking TV camera all day versus 5 foot 10 inch(?) and a 'retired' bike courier who has been sitting in dispatch drinking coffee for the past 6 months? No contest :-) Regards, Bob S. On 12/19/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/19/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/19/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18/12/06, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: I want to killfile Cotty. How would I go about doing that? Frank, you're oh so gonna regret saying that one day . ;-)) I may be giving GFM a miss this year... ;-) My money's on Frank. Any takers...? Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I use a couple of $5 cast iron fry pans that are seasoned just right. Nothing sticks to them. Dave On 12/20/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, that stuff is expensive. Back in the 80's I had some hard anodized frying pans that were great. No non-stick, metal handles, not outrageously expensive, the best frying pans I have ever used. I keep looking for something similar but everything I find is Teflon lined, I hate Teflon. So, I am using cast iron pans now. Paul Stenquist wrote: I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right, and your pan will last forever. I have some Calphalon pans that are twenty years old. I can make an omelette in my 8 inch skillet and turn it to do the flip side. It has a beautiful glazed surface, better than anything in teflon. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I have a cast iron pan that I inhereted 20 years ago when an old uncle died. It's a lot older than me but still is the best I have tried. DagT Fra: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use a couple of $5 cast iron fry pans that are seasoned just right. Nothing sticks to them. Dave On 12/20/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, that stuff is expensive. Back in the 80's I had some hard anodized frying pans that were great. No non-stick, metal handles, not outrageously expensive, the best frying pans I have ever used. I keep looking for something similar but everything I find is Teflon lined, I hate Teflon. So, I am using cast iron pans now. Paul Stenquist wrote: I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right, and your pan will last forever. I have some Calphalon pans that are twenty years old. I can make an omelette in my 8 inch skillet and turn it to do the flip side. It has a beautiful glazed surface, better than anything in teflon. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Yes, I have. Quality. I have yet to see a screen with the same quality as a good print. The 21 apple monitor is OK, but still not that good. Not just the sharpness but also the texture of the picture is better on paper. Movies are different, and I still prefer to watch a good movie in a cinema with darkness and no distractions from family, telephones etc. Action and science fiction may be OK to watch at home but I avoid looking at the really good ones at home. It just spoils the impression. DagT Fra: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter Have you ever asked yourself WHY? Its not very logical that you can appreciate a really good print but video picture quality doesnt matter at all to you. That would only be logical if you didnt watch TV at all. Umm, let's see, maybe you are not aware of really how good (how much better than analog) a HD image can look and thus assume you dont or wouldnt care but you actually would once you see the difference? Thats all I can come with with your still being of sane mind jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:18 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter No, it is true. I couldn´t care less about TV quality, but I love a good print. So much in fact that I still make fiber based and selenium toned BW prints from 6x6 negatives myself. Accept the difference. DagT Den 19. des. 2006 kl. 23.04 skrev J. C. O'Connell: I forgot something, THE PICTURE (quality) IS NOT IMPORTANT for a lot of people? Are you crazy? I am posting this stuff in a photo forum inhabited by mostly photographers. They should know better than that unless all they watch is hillbilly shows like COPS, Pro Wrestling, AND Fear Factor. Thats not the demographic of this group I dont think makes any sense to say that. Vastly improved picture quality enhances motion pictures just as much it does still pictures...Come on with this stuff! jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cory Papenfuss Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:23 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Why should I accept an opposing opinion (especailly one I STRONGLY oppose) I that dont believe in or cannot be backed up with a good factual argument to support it. I wont and never will. Its called conviction. I dont expect everyone to agree with me on everything, and many many things are gray which I avoid. But to expect me to just accept anything else without good cause is simply crazy. And secondly, I honestly believe that there are people posting here opposing viewpoints they dont even believe in just to oppose me no matter what I post. jco You don't have to accept it. You should, however, realize that others might have a wildly different point of view and an opinion. That doesn't make them wrong, just different from your viewpoint. When you express your *opinion* as FACT and then argue with those who don't agree with those facts, it incites anoyance. The HDTV argument was particularly obtuse. Yes the picture is better... quantifiably so. Yes the prices have come down... they are still not cheap. You fail to understand that for a lot of people, TV is not very important... whether the picture is NTSC or IMAX, it doesn't matter to them. It's a *personal choice* on their part that you need to be able to accept and understand. -Cory -- ** ** * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * ** ** * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 12/19/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/19/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If gives you any comfort: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GBword1=baldword2=bunny ;-) Ironic, coming from you... ;-) ops. :-) Considering Cesar's shot from GFM, I guess the question is... which one applies? :-) Cheers, Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 20/12/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: Of course, all bets are off if Frank can't run 3 meters without having a coughing fit. Franks a hard man. He rides a bicycle with no gears, no brakes, and no seat ! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Ditto. I couldn't give a rat's [EMAIL PROTECTED] ass about TV quality. But I do like a good BW print... DagT wrote: No, it is true. I couldn´t care less about TV quality, but I love a good print. So much in fact that I still make fiber based and selenium toned BW prints from 6x6 negatives myself. Accept the difference. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Bob W wrote: Well, 'they' in this instance includes me. I have a 14 analogue set. No cable, no satellite, not even an aerial, and the picture is rubbish. I don't care. I've got better things to do with my time and money. We have just a 13 set... in storage in the basement somewhere. We get it out occasionally for Lisa's mother when she's visiting but haven't watched it ourselves in literally years. Neither of us has time to waste on TV. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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WRONG WRONG WRONG. Everyone knows that Calphalon severely damages the flavor of omelettes. Norm Paul Stenquist wrote: Hi Shel, I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right, and your pan will last forever. snip -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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David Savage wrote: I use a couple of $5 cast iron fry pans that are seasoned just right. Nothing sticks to them. What's all this business about *pans*??? I stalk my food in the wild, kill it with my bare hands and eat it raw! Mark the vegetarian -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Cast iron is good for a lot of things, but you can still get hard anodized aluminum as well. Calphalon sells both; hard anodized and teflon coated, Some stores might stock only the teflon, out of ignorance. Paul On Dec 19, 2006, at 11:24 PM, graywolf wrote: Wow, that stuff is expensive. Back in the 80's I had some hard anodized frying pans that were great. No non-stick, metal handles, not outrageously expensive, the best frying pans I have ever used. I keep looking for something similar but everything I find is Teflon lined, I hate Teflon. So, I am using cast iron pans now. Paul Stenquist wrote: I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right, and your pan will last forever. I have some Calphalon pans that are twenty years old. I can make an omelette in my 8 inch skillet and turn it to do the flip side. It has a beautiful glazed surface, better than anything in teflon. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Bullshit. You must be stupid. That's because you've never had one of my goat cheese, chicken, mushroom and dill omelettes. The egg mix is aerated with a boat motor, and the omelette is hand turned so it stays puffy. Get a life, Norm. Paul On Dec 20, 2006, at 7:46 AM, Norm Baugher wrote: WRONG WRONG WRONG. Everyone knows that Calphalon severely damages the flavor of omelettes. Norm Paul Stenquist wrote: Hi Shel, I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right, and your pan will last forever. snip -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Paul StenquistSubject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter Cast iron is good for a lot of things, but you can still get hard anodized aluminum as well. Calphalon sells both; hard anodized and teflon coated, Some stores might stock only the teflon, out of ignorance. Paul I haven't found anything that cast iron isn't good for. I have a set of pans that I got as a gas station promotion almost 30 years ago that is still some of the nicest cookware I have used, and a couple of big Woods cast iron pans, I think 18 and 22 inches or somthing. The big one is heavy enough to make my wife complain if I leave it on the stove. I have no use at all for teflon pans. Apparently if you get them too hot, they emit a gas that is toxic to birds. Something to think about if you keep them as pets. I had a small Calphalon pan that I used for eggs many years ago, it was a wonderful pan. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/12/20 Wed PM 12:51:14 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter David Savage wrote: I use a couple of $5 cast iron fry pans that are seasoned just right. Nothing sticks to them. What's all this business about *pans*??? I stalk my food in the wild, kill it with my bare hands and eat it raw! Mark the vegetarian Don't you find it distrubing when the radishes scream, though? - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 12/20/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Franks a hard man. He rides a bicycle with no gears, no brakes, and no seat ! I have a seat. -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I don't like aluminium cookware. Cast iron and Stainless with copper base is my preference. Cheers, Dave On 12/20/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cast iron is good for a lot of things, but you can still get hard anodized aluminum as well. Calphalon sells both; hard anodized and teflon coated, Some stores might stock only the teflon, out of ignorance. Paul On Dec 19, 2006, at 11:24 PM, graywolf wrote: Wow, that stuff is expensive. Back in the 80's I had some hard anodized frying pans that were great. No non-stick, metal handles, not outrageously expensive, the best frying pans I have ever used. I keep looking for something similar but everything I find is Teflon lined, I hate Teflon. So, I am using cast iron pans now. Paul Stenquist wrote: I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right, and your pan will last forever. I have some Calphalon pans that are twenty years old. I can make an omelette in my 8 inch skillet and turn it to do the flip side. It has a beautiful glazed surface, better than anything in teflon. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Norm Baugher Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter Ditto. I couldn't give a rat's [EMAIL PROTECTED] ass about TV quality. But I do like a good BW print... Don't tell me, intercourseface is trying to say that you are an idiot for thinking you can appreciate a still picture without having any appreciation for a moving one? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hi Paul, I have some older Calphalon pots and pans, and have been very happy with them. I also use cast iron - great for some cooking tasks. Frankly, I've been vacillating between the non-stick and the Calphalon hard anodized, but I also want a non-stick skillet for certain tasks, and thought I'd go with the All-Clad or the Calphalon for that. I've not yet carefully examined the Calphalon, although a friend has a 14 non-stick skillet and swears by it. BTW, if you've not used All-Clad, you might five it a try. Great stuff, but, like all good cookware, a bit on the spendy side. A couple of days ago, while at Slur la Table, I saw their private brand, which is much less expensive than All-Clad or Calphalon, and it looks and feels pretty good. Anyway, thanks for the recommendation. I'll be making a purchase after Christmas - can't stand the lines right now Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: 12/19/2006 7:57:29 PM Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter Hi Shel, I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right, and your pan will last forever. I have some Calphalon pans that are twenty years old. I can make an omelette in my 8 inch skillet and turn it to do the flip side. It has a beautiful glazed surface, better than anything in teflon. If you're going to do some serious frying (like southern fried chicken, for example) you might also consider a cast iron skillet in 14 to 16 inch size. I too would rather cook than watch television. Paul On Dec 19, 2006, at 10:24 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Well, using your argument, here is a list of things I do more than watch television: Read books; Cook; Visit friends and interact with them; Play with my cats Maybe I should get an couple of HD cats. Further, I don't care to spend $$ on television sets. For example, if I had an extra $1,000.00 right now, I'd be getting a couple of new saucepans, a 12-quart stock pot, and a 14-inch skillet (either Calphalon or All-Clad) with a non-stick interior. Or a larger or second refrigerator or freezer. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Which of these do you use to beat your eggs? http://tinyurl.com/y4pfpu Dave On 12/20/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bullshit. You must be stupid. That's because you've never had one of my goat cheese, chicken, mushroom and dill omelettes. The egg mix is aerated with a boat motor, and the omelette is hand turned so it stays puffy. Get a life, Norm. Paul On Dec 20, 2006, at 7:46 AM, Norm Baugher wrote: WRONG WRONG WRONG. Everyone knows that Calphalon severely damages the flavor of omelettes. Norm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 12/20/06 9:04 AM, David Savage, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I love this list. One day were arguing about TV, the next we're discussing pots pans. :-) Told you, one of the best non-photographic knowledge sources around. Along the way, I picked up more than a few bad words and slang here too :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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How would you suggest breaking it in and seasoning it? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right, and your pan will last forever. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Don't cook alot, but nothing beat fresh fish in a cast iron frying pan on a fishing trip :) dk On 12/20/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't like aluminium cookware. Cast iron and Stainless with copper base is my preference. Cheers, Dave On 12/20/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cast iron is good for a lot of things, but you can still get hard anodized aluminum as well. Calphalon sells both; hard anodized and teflon coated, Some stores might stock only the teflon, out of ignorance. Paul On Dec 19, 2006, at 11:24 PM, graywolf wrote: Wow, that stuff is expensive. Back in the 80's I had some hard anodized frying pans that were great. No non-stick, metal handles, not outrageously expensive, the best frying pans I have ever used. I keep looking for something similar but everything I find is Teflon lined, I hate Teflon. So, I am using cast iron pans now. Paul Stenquist wrote: I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right, and your pan will last forever. I have some Calphalon pans that are twenty years old. I can make an omelette in my 8 inch skillet and turn it to do the flip side. It has a beautiful glazed surface, better than anything in teflon. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Ahh, two votes for the hard anodized. Thanks for jumping in John ... I know you like to cook, so your comments are definitely appreciated. Shel [Original Message] From: John Francis I'd certainly recommend it over the Calphalon non-stick coating. So far, though, I'm cautiously optimistic about Analon Advanced (which has handles that even my wife can manage, on the rare occasion that she touches the pans). Paul Stenquist wrote: Hi Shel, I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right, and your pan will last forever. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Properly seasoned and cared for cast iron is great for some cooking tasks. Shel [Original Message] From: David Savage I use a couple of $5 cast iron fry pans that are seasoned just right. Nothing sticks to them. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I cooked to beautiful fillet steaks this evening on one of the $5 cast iron frying pans I mentioned earlier. That sucker was smoking hot, before I added any oil. When the steaks were done, I cooked an egg in the same pan it slid straight off. Dave (I love this list. One day were arguing about TV, the next we're discussing pots pans. :-) At 10:46 PM 20/12/2006, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul StenquistSubject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter Cast iron is good for a lot of things, but you can still get hard anodized aluminum as well. Calphalon sells both; hard anodized and teflon coated, Some stores might stock only the teflon, out of ignorance. Paul I haven't found anything that cast iron isn't good for. I have a set of pans that I got as a gas station promotion almost 30 years ago that is still some of the nicest cookware I have used, and a couple of big Woods cast iron pans, I think 18 and 22 inches or somthing. The big one is heavy enough to make my wife complain if I leave it on the stove. I have no use at all for teflon pans. Apparently if you get them too hot, they emit a gas that is toxic to birds. Something to think about if you keep them as pets. I had a small Calphalon pan that I used for eggs many years ago, it was a wonderful pan. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 12/20/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Norm Baugher Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter Ditto. I couldn't give a rat's [EMAIL PROTECTED] ass about TV quality. But I do like a good BW print... Don't tell me, intercourseface is trying to say that you are an idiot for thinking you can appreciate a still picture without having any appreciation for a moving one? Now Bill, remember why you set up that filter. -- Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Still? Cotty wrote: On 20/12/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: Of course, all bets are off if Frank can't run 3 meters without having a coughing fit. Franks a hard man. He rides a bicycle with no gears, no brakes, and no seat ! -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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He's having too much fun. Dave On 12/20/06, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still? Cotty wrote: On 20/12/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: Of course, all bets are off if Frank can't run 3 meters without having a coughing fit. Franks a hard man. He rides a bicycle with no gears, no brakes, and no seat ! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Aluminium is good for cooking milk and milky stuff. But I use stainless for my general cooking. I use titanium pans for frying. Quite good pans really, but they are delicate pets. My SO has killed one of them while dishing. That's her part of the job. Under doubt I have forgiven her neglective attitude towards pans. Guys, get a SO who likes to dish. After good kitchen training she is the best tool there is ;-) (As long as you treat her with good treats) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: 20. desember 2006 14:40 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter I don't like aluminium cookware. Cast iron and Stainless with copper base is my preference. Cheers, Dave On 12/20/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cast iron is good for a lot of things, but you can still get hard anodized aluminum as well. Calphalon sells both; hard anodized and teflon coated, Some stores might stock only the teflon, out of ignorance. Paul On Dec 19, 2006, at 11:24 PM, graywolf wrote: Wow, that stuff is expensive. Back in the 80's I had some hard anodized frying pans that were great. No non-stick, metal handles, not outrageously expensive, the best frying pans I have ever used. I keep looking for something similar but everything I find is Teflon lined, I hate Teflon. So, I am using cast iron pans now. Paul Stenquist wrote: I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right, and your pan will last forever. I have some Calphalon pans that are twenty years old. I can make an omelette in my 8 inch skillet and turn it to do the flip side. It has a beautiful glazed surface, better than anything in teflon. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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It's just a little Evinrude 15 horsepower outboard. Seriously, I use a Bosch hand mixer. It's basically a blender that you can just stickin a cup. A lot of cooks refer to the hand blender as a boat motor. Paul -- Original message -- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Which of these do you use to beat your eggs? http://tinyurl.com/y4pfpu Dave On 12/20/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bullshit. You must be stupid. That's because you've never had one of my goat cheese, chicken, mushroom and dill omelettes. The egg mix is aerated with a boat motor, and the omelette is hand turned so it stays puffy. Get a life, Norm. Paul On Dec 20, 2006, at 7:46 AM, Norm Baugher wrote: WRONG WRONG WRONG. Everyone knows that Calphalon severely damages the flavor of omelettes. Norm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Yah, sitting at a desk will do that to you. -graywolf, who could not pass up a straight line like that. frank theriault wrote: On 12/20/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Franks a hard man. He rides a bicycle with no gears, no brakes, and no seat ! I have a seat. -frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I just coat new pans with vegetable oil, heat them until the oil just starts to smoke, then wipe it out and put it away. I usually do this two or three times before cooking with it. Thereafter, I never ever wash them with soap. I usually just wipe them out. Once in a while, I'll rinse one with water if necessary, but I wipe it with oil before putting it away. PAM non-stick spray can be used in lieu of oil. It appears to be justt oil with alcohol added. The alcohol evaporates almost immediately. Paul -- Original message -- From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] How would you suggest breaking it in and seasoning it? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right, and your pan will last forever. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Not sure about the Calphalon, but I use cast iron quite a bit. After cleaning it, and just before putting it away, use a paper towel to rub a very light coat of shortening on it. On 12/20/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would you suggest breaking it in and seasoning it? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right, and your pan will last forever. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 21/12/06, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aluminium is good for cooking milk and milky stuff. But I use stainless for my general cooking. I use titanium pans for frying. Quite good pans really, but they are delicate pets. My SO has killed one of them while dishing. That's her part of the job. Under doubt I have forgiven her neglective attitude towards pans. Guys, get a SO who likes to dish. After good kitchen training she is the best tool there is ;-) (As long as you treat her with good treats) I prefer to cook and clean the utensils, my SO maintains the position of cooking critic, believe me it's best that way. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Cast iron is the best thing for pancakes. My only problem with cast iron is that I am too impatient to use it properly. It needs to be heated slowly to the proper temperature. I have this tendency to heat it up fast and then burn things because it is too hot on the bottom, but then I do not burn my hands because the handle is still cool. If I am cooking for company, everything has to be just right, for just myself I mostly go for quick. Maybe I need to rethink that, after all I am worth the effort. Anyway I have a small skillet, a large skillet, a griddle that I also use as a lid for the large skillet, and a dutch oven, all by Lodge. I used to have some imported stuff, but the bottoms were so smooth the seasoning kept peeling off the bottoms, the rough iron of the Lodges holds it for ever. My pots are teflon lined cast aluminum junk, not cheap, all teflon cookware is junk. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Properly seasoned and cared for cast iron is great for some cooking tasks. Shel [Original Message] From: David Savage I use a couple of $5 cast iron fry pans that are seasoned just right. Nothing sticks to them. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I have set an email filter to trash all everyone set up an email filter subject line messages. Please keep yammering about television idiocy in this thread from now on. thank you. I don't give a rat's patootie about television or television quality. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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You have NO IDEA what you are talking about, before you have experienced my SO dishing skills. She is special trained. She did this mistake once, it will never happen again- I can assure you that. And after some these cosmetic modification (set some of her bones strait) she is a GIGANTIC improvement over my ex. I can watch her dish for hours. I have integrated her into my oven. She is BETTER than SEX! Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Digital Image Studio Sent: 20. desember 2006 16:19 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter On 21/12/06, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aluminium is good for cooking milk and milky stuff. But I use stainless for my general cooking. I use titanium pans for frying. Quite good pans really, but they are delicate pets. My SO has killed one of them while dishing. That's her part of the job. Under doubt I have forgiven her neglective attitude towards pans. Guys, get a SO who likes to dish. After good kitchen training she is the best tool there is ;-) (As long as you treat her with good treats) I prefer to cook and clean the utensils, my SO maintains the position of cooking critic, believe me it's best that way. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Post a picture so we can search for more like her. ;) -P Tim Øsleby wrote: You have NO IDEA what you are talking about, before you have experienced my SO dishing skills. She is special trained. She did this mistake once, it will never happen again- I can assure you that. And after some these cosmetic modification (set some of her bones strait) she is a GIGANTIC improvement over my ex. I can watch her dish for hours. I have integrated her into my oven. She is BETTER than SEX! Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Digital Image Studio Sent: 20. desember 2006 16:19 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter On 21/12/06, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aluminium is good for cooking milk and milky stuff. But I use stainless for my general cooking. I use titanium pans for frying. Quite good pans really, but they are delicate pets. My SO has killed one of them while dishing. That's her part of the job. Under doubt I have forgiven her neglective attitude towards pans. Guys, get a SO who likes to dish. After good kitchen training she is the best tool there is ;-) (As long as you treat her with good treats) I prefer to cook and clean the utensils, my SO maintains the position of cooking critic, believe me it's best that way. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I second that, i.e. the Calphalon hard anodized. I bought a set as Calphalon started to change over to teflon, and its the best stuff I've ever seen (well seasoned). rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would you suggest breaking it in and seasoning it? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right, and your pan will last forever. -- Someone handed me a picture and said, This is a picture of me when I was younger. Every picture of you is when you were younger. ...Here's a picture of me when I'm older. Where'd you get that camera man? - Mitch Hedberg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I think All Clad is the best, but if you live close to a commercial restaurant supply service, you can find aluminum clad stainless steel cookware that's almost as good as All Clad for a lot less. For my own taste, I'd avoid the adonized aluminum and the non stick coating. The adonized aluminum, even if seasoned, doesn't take to it as well as cast iron, and will eventual stain and speckle. And ironically the more expensive nonstick coatings aren't as good as the cheapo brands, since they're so slick there's almost no peaks and valleys on the surface that prolongs the life of the pan. So I buy a cheapo 10 nonstick and replace it every few years. Also, All Clad -- if you go that route -- has the best cooking handles that rarely need pot holders to handle. A hot pan with cold oil to start will never, ever stick on you -- not even fish! Micah On Dec 20, 2006, at 9:15 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: How would you suggest breaking it in and seasoning it? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right, and your pan will last forever. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Oh, great - maybe you cast iron guys can help me with my question. I have a recipe where I need to sear an eye of round on all sides (let's say 2 minutes a side so 12 minutes total). Usually I put the pan on high heat, and end up with an outside that's a nice rich brown colour. However, there's a bunch of smoke from the melted fat and at the end, there's blackened stuff on the bottom of the pan to scour away. Then there's a couple of days where nothing wants to slide off anymore. Is that normal for searing large chunks? Am I putting it up too hot? Should I drain off the fat partway through cooking? Which camera should I take photos of the result with? (trying to keep this on topic) On 12/20/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cast iron is the best thing for pancakes. My only problem with cast iron is that I am too impatient to use it properly. It needs to be heated slowly to the proper temperature. I have this tendency to heat it up fast and then burn things because it is too hot on the bottom, but then I do not burn my hands because the handle is still cool. If I am cooking for company, everything has to be just right, for just myself I mostly go for quick. Maybe I need to rethink that, after all I am worth the effort. Anyway I have a small skillet, a large skillet, a griddle that I also use as a lid for the large skillet, and a dutch oven, all by Lodge. I used to have some imported stuff, but the bottoms were so smooth the seasoning kept peeling off the bottoms, the rough iron of the Lodges holds it for ever. My pots are teflon lined cast aluminum junk, not cheap, all teflon cookware is junk. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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The pan is too hot if youi're getting blackened stuff. You should get just nice dark brown crumbly things, which you can use to make a sauce. Don't scour or wash the pan. Just scrape out any remaining bits and wipe the pan with a paper towel. Paul -- Original message -- From: skye [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, great - maybe you cast iron guys can help me with my question. I have a recipe where I need to sear an eye of round on all sides (let's say 2 minutes a side so 12 minutes total). Usually I put the pan on high heat, and end up with an outside that's a nice rich brown colour. However, there's a bunch of smoke from the melted fat and at the end, there's blackened stuff on the bottom of the pan to scour away. Then there's a couple of days where nothing wants to slide off anymore. Is that normal for searing large chunks? Am I putting it up too hot? Should I drain off the fat partway through cooking? Which camera should I take photos of the result with? (trying to keep this on topic) On 12/20/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cast iron is the best thing for pancakes. My only problem with cast iron is that I am too impatient to use it properly. It needs to be heated slowly to the proper temperature. I have this tendency to heat it up fast and then burn things because it is too hot on the bottom, but then I do not burn my hands because the handle is still cool. If I am cooking for company, everything has to be just right, for just myself I mostly go for quick. Maybe I need to rethink that, after all I am worth the effort. Anyway I have a small skillet, a large skillet, a griddle that I also use as a lid for the large skillet, and a dutch oven, all by Lodge. I used to have some imported stuff, but the bottoms were so smooth the seasoning kept peeling off the bottoms, the rough iron of the Lodges holds it for ever. My pots are teflon lined cast aluminum junk, not cheap, all teflon cookware is junk. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Sounds like the pan is too hot. Turn the heat down a bit, maybe to medium or medium high, let it heat up slowly, and then add the meat. For best results, don't put a cold slab of meat into the pan. Allow it to sit out of the refrigerator for a while - maybe an hour or more depending on room temperature and how cold the meat was to begin with. Shel [Original Message] From: skye Oh, great - maybe you cast iron guys can help me with my question. I have a recipe where I need to sear an eye of round on all sides (let's say 2 minutes a side so 12 minutes total). Usually I put the pan on high heat, and end up with an outside that's a nice rich brown colour. However, there's a bunch of smoke from the melted fat and at the end, there's blackened stuff on the bottom of the pan to scour away. Then there's a couple of days where nothing wants to slide off anymore. Is that normal for searing large chunks? Am I putting it up too hot? Should I drain off the fat partway through cooking? Which camera should I take photos of the result with? (trying to keep this on topic) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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And if you heated it too much, wipe it with some oil (olive oil etc) before you put it away. .-) DagT Den 20. des. 2006 kl. 17.45 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The pan is too hot if youi're getting blackened stuff. You should get just nice dark brown crumbly things, which you can use to make a sauce. Don't scour or wash the pan. Just scrape out any remaining bits and wipe the pan with a paper towel. Paul -- Original message -- From: skye [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, great - maybe you cast iron guys can help me with my question. I have a recipe where I need to sear an eye of round on all sides (let's say 2 minutes a side so 12 minutes total). Usually I put the pan on high heat, and end up with an outside that's a nice rich brown colour. However, there's a bunch of smoke from the melted fat and at the end, there's blackened stuff on the bottom of the pan to scour away. Then there's a couple of days where nothing wants to slide off anymore. Is that normal for searing large chunks? Am I putting it up too hot? Should I drain off the fat partway through cooking? Which camera should I take photos of the result with? (trying to keep this on topic) On 12/20/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cast iron is the best thing for pancakes. My only problem with cast iron is that I am too impatient to use it properly. It needs to be heated slowly to the proper temperature. I have this tendency to heat it up fast and then burn things because it is too hot on the bottom, but then I do not burn my hands because the handle is still cool. If I am cooking for company, everything has to be just right, for just myself I mostly go for quick. Maybe I need to rethink that, after all I am worth the effort. Anyway I have a small skillet, a large skillet, a griddle that I also use as a lid for the large skillet, and a dutch oven, all by Lodge. I used to have some imported stuff, but the bottoms were so smooth the seasoning kept peeling off the bottoms, the rough iron of the Lodges holds it for ever. My pots are teflon lined cast aluminum junk, not cheap, all teflon cookware is junk. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Sure, I use a long handled brush with nylon bristles in the center. Run water as hot as I can get it from the faucet into the pan and use the brush to scrub out the pan. Done properly it will remove the the crusted stuff without harming he seasoning. When the pan is clean I wipe it dry with a paper towel then lightly oil it before putting it away. I never, never, use soap on my cast iron. Another suggestion, heat the pan to medium high, I use 7 on my electric range (I would prefer gas, but I am a renter), to sear the meat on both sides, then turn the burner down and cook the meat to what ever level of doneness you prefer. You will find that you do not get near as much crud doing it that way. skye wrote: Oh, great - maybe you cast iron guys can help me with my question. I have a recipe where I need to sear an eye of round on all sides (let's say 2 minutes a side so 12 minutes total). Usually I put the pan on high heat, and end up with an outside that's a nice rich brown colour. However, there's a bunch of smoke from the melted fat and at the end, there's blackened stuff on the bottom of the pan to scour away. Then there's a couple of days where nothing wants to slide off anymore. Is that normal for searing large chunks? Am I putting it up too hot? Should I drain off the fat partway through cooking? Which camera should I take photos of the result with? (trying to keep this on topic) On 12/20/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cast iron is the best thing for pancakes. My only problem with cast iron is that I am too impatient to use it properly. It needs to be heated slowly to the proper temperature. I have this tendency to heat it up fast and then burn things because it is too hot on the bottom, but then I do not burn my hands because the handle is still cool. If I am cooking for company, everything has to be just right, for just myself I mostly go for quick. Maybe I need to rethink that, after all I am worth the effort. Anyway I have a small skillet, a large skillet, a griddle that I also use as a lid for the large skillet, and a dutch oven, all by Lodge. I used to have some imported stuff, but the bottoms were so smooth the seasoning kept peeling off the bottoms, the rough iron of the Lodges holds it for ever. My pots are teflon lined cast aluminum junk, not cheap, all teflon cookware is junk. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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You sissies cook inside on a stove sop? HAHAHAHA. Real men like me do it with a grill. Outside in the sun, sleet, rain, snow, mud, blizzard. It gets the job done. It gets the meat and vegetables cooked, I don't care about non-stick. That's what a flame and wire metal brush are for. HAHAHAHA. Where's my apron? Tom C. From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 05:57:11 -0800 Ahh, two votes for the hard anodized. Thanks for jumping in John ... I know you like to cook, so your comments are definitely appreciated. Shel [Original Message] From: John Francis I'd certainly recommend it over the Calphalon non-stick coating. So far, though, I'm cautiously optimistic about Analon Advanced (which has handles that even my wife can manage, on the rare occasion that she touches the pans). Paul Stenquist wrote: Hi Shel, I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right, and your pan will last forever. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Just a clarification - while I don't think you'd go wrong with plain hard anodized cookware, the Analon Advanced is non-stick. The benefit, in our case, is the size and feel of the handles. My wife has fairly small hands, a poor grip, and very little tolerance for heat, so an insulated handle that she can grasp firmly is a strong selling point. On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 05:57:11AM -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Ahh, two votes for the hard anodized. Thanks for jumping in John ... I know you like to cook, so your comments are definitely appreciated. Shel [Original Message] From: John Francis I'd certainly recommend it over the Calphalon non-stick coating. So far, though, I'm cautiously optimistic about Analon Advanced (which has handles that even my wife can manage, on the rare occasion that she touches the pans). Paul Stenquist wrote: Hi Shel, I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right, and your pan will last forever. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Must be fun making scrambled eggs. G On Dec 20, 2006, at 9:07 AM, Tom C wrote: You sissies cook inside on a stove sop? HAHAHAHA. Real men like me do it with a grill. Outside in the sun, sleet, rain, snow, mud, blizzard. It gets the job done. It gets the meat and vegetables cooked, I don't care about non-stick. That's what a flame and wire metal brush are for. HAHAHAHA. Where's my apron? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Etc is better than olive oil. Olive oil can't stand the heat, when heated above 180C it tastes badly and gets unhealthy. Raps oil takes a lot more heat before this happens. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: 20. desember 2006 18:07 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter And if you heated it too much, wipe it with some oil (olive oil etc) before you put it away. .-) DagT Den 20. des. 2006 kl. 17.45 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The pan is too hot if youi're getting blackened stuff. You should get just nice dark brown crumbly things, which you can use to make a sauce. Don't scour or wash the pan. Just scrape out any remaining bits and wipe the pan with a paper towel. Paul -- Original message -- From: skye [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, great - maybe you cast iron guys can help me with my question. I have a recipe where I need to sear an eye of round on all sides (let's say 2 minutes a side so 12 minutes total). Usually I put the pan on high heat, and end up with an outside that's a nice rich brown colour. However, there's a bunch of smoke from the melted fat and at the end, there's blackened stuff on the bottom of the pan to scour away. Then there's a couple of days where nothing wants to slide off anymore. Is that normal for searing large chunks? Am I putting it up too hot? Should I drain off the fat partway through cooking? Which camera should I take photos of the result with? (trying to keep this on topic) On 12/20/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cast iron is the best thing for pancakes. My only problem with cast iron is that I am too impatient to use it properly. It needs to be heated slowly to the proper temperature. I have this tendency to heat it up fast and then burn things because it is too hot on the bottom, but then I do not burn my hands because the handle is still cool. If I am cooking for company, everything has to be just right, for just myself I mostly go for quick. Maybe I need to rethink that, after all I am worth the effort. Anyway I have a small skillet, a large skillet, a griddle that I also use as a lid for the large skillet, and a dutch oven, all by Lodge. I used to have some imported stuff, but the bottoms were so smooth the seasoning kept peeling off the bottoms, the rough iron of the Lodges holds it for ever. My pots are teflon lined cast aluminum junk, not cheap, all teflon cookware is junk. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Well I do have a cast iron griddle for that... sits on the grates. :-) Eggs, pancakes, hashbrowns, home-made (seasoned) ground pork patties... Clear, crisp sumer morning, fresh coffee... the smell... Tom C. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:38:14 -0800 Must be fun making scrambled eggs. G On Dec 20, 2006, at 9:07 AM, Tom C wrote: You sissies cook inside on a stove sop? HAHAHAHA. Real men like me do it with a grill. Outside in the sun, sleet, rain, snow, mud, blizzard. It gets the job done. It gets the meat and vegetables cooked, I don't care about non-stick. That's what a flame and wire metal brush are for. HAHAHAHA. Where's my apron? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 20/12/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Neither of us has time to waste on TV. I find that incredibly naive from someone so well versed in music and the arts? On the whole, I would agree that most TV is absolute drivel and total garbage. However, there are plenty of examples of good documentary-making, especially in terms of natural history and music and the performing arts. Obviously with my career being in TV, I'm pretty much committed to it in terms of promoting the good things about it. I also fully appreciate that many people have no interest in it whatsoever, and care not a jot about what they might not have access to. But to think that I am wasting my time watching television is pretty severe. I certainly *have* wasted some of my time watching something I later regretted because it was just plain crap. I have also learned a great deal from seeing things that I would not normally be able to see in my lifetime, enjoyed fantastic music performances that I could not get access to, and generally been privy to some of the most wonderful images - moving and still - that have both inspired me and allowed my own personal creativity to expand in new ways. Wasting time is obviously a subjective activity ;-) Rant over ! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Just don't let your ears become frostbitten. My buddy's father, living in Scotland and with a similar cooking regimen, lost a piece of his left ear due to frostbite while making breakfast one fine January morning... G On Dec 20, 2006, at 9:55 AM, Tom C wrote: Well I do have a cast iron griddle for that... sits on the grates. :-) Eggs, pancakes, hashbrowns, home-made (seasoned) ground pork patties... Clear, crisp sumer morning, fresh coffee... the smell... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I hear ya. :-) It was 17F here this morning, and 12F at the bottom of the dirt road where it meets the state highway. Tom C. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:21:07 -0800 Just don't let your ears become frostbitten. My buddy's father, living in Scotland and with a similar cooking regimen, lost a piece of his left ear due to frostbite while making breakfast one fine January morning... G On Dec 20, 2006, at 9:55 AM, Tom C wrote: Well I do have a cast iron griddle for that... sits on the grates. :-) Eggs, pancakes, hashbrowns, home-made (seasoned) ground pork patties... Clear, crisp sumer morning, fresh coffee... the smell... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:14:14 + On 20/12/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Neither of us has time to waste on TV. I find that incredibly naive from someone so well versed in music and the arts? On the whole, I would agree that most TV is absolute drivel and total garbage. However, there are plenty of examples of good documentary-making, especially in terms of natural history and music and the performing arts. Obviously with my career being in TV, I'm pretty much committed to it in terms of promoting the good things about it. I also fully appreciate that many people have no interest in it whatsoever, and care not a jot about what they might not have access to. But to think that I am wasting my time watching television is pretty severe. I certainly *have* wasted some of my time watching something I later regretted because it was just plain crap. I have also learned a great deal from seeing things that I would not normally be able to see in my lifetime, enjoyed fantastic music performances that I could not get access to, and generally been privy to some of the most wonderful images - moving and still - that have both inspired me and allowed my own personal creativity to expand in new ways. Wasting time is obviously a subjective activity ;-) Rant over ! There's also some good mindless entertainment out there. Mostly from the UK. All Creatures Great and Small The Prisoner UFO The Persuaders OK, I'm an anglophile. Yes I also like the arts, history, science available from good television. Also lots of people learn better visually (not me probably) than through other means such as reading or lectures. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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My wife can be quite scientific about things. Each time one of her friends has got married, she has staged a session at some sports arena, where the bride to be has thrown a frying pan as far as she could. The distance measured was written down on a Safe Range certificate, and delivered to the groom at the reception *after* the wedding. From her experience, most women prefer light pans with long range over cast iron stuff. :-) Jostein On 12/20/06, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a clarification - while I don't think you'd go wrong with plain hard anodized cookware, the Analon Advanced is non-stick. The benefit, in our case, is the size and feel of the handles. My wife has fairly small hands, a poor grip, and very little tolerance for heat, so an insulated handle that she can grasp firmly is a strong selling point. On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 05:57:11AM -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Ahh, two votes for the hard anodized. Thanks for jumping in John ... I know you like to cook, so your comments are definitely appreciated. Shel [Original Message] From: John Francis I'd certainly recommend it over the Calphalon non-stick coating. So far, though, I'm cautiously optimistic about Analon Advanced (which has handles that even my wife can manage, on the rare occasion that she touches the pans). Paul Stenquist wrote: Hi Shel, I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right, and your pan will last forever. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 12/20/06, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! My wife can be quite scientific about things. Each time one of her friends has got married, she has staged a session at some sports arena, where the bride to be has thrown a frying pan as far as she could. The distance measured was written down on a Safe Range certificate, and delivered to the groom at the reception *after* the wedding. From her experience, most women prefer light pans with long range over cast iron stuff. Hmmm, I wasn't asked to throw any kitchen tools all three times we were meeting... I wonder what kind of conclusion can be drawn from that ;-). Just be thankful you were not used as a target. -- Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hi! My wife can be quite scientific about things. Each time one of her friends has got married, she has staged a session at some sports arena, where the bride to be has thrown a frying pan as far as she could. The distance measured was written down on a Safe Range certificate, and delivered to the groom at the reception *after* the wedding. From her experience, most women prefer light pans with long range over cast iron stuff. Hmmm, I wasn't asked to throw any kitchen tools all three times we were meeting... I wonder what kind of conclusion can be drawn from that ;-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 20/12/06, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed: All Creatures Great and Small The Prisoner UFO The Persuaders So you like history programmes ?? ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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This WR is one first class moron isnt he?. He has to attack me even when he doesnt even know or have read what I have posting for days and I did not post any comments to that effect. I questioned it and challenged the truthfulness of those concepts, but I didnt say anyone was an idiot for saying that. I dont believe that TV picture quality doesnt matter at all to anyone except those with such poor vision that they cannot see any improvement, i.e. the blind. I can believe they dont want to pay to get better quality, but thats not the same as not caring about picture quality at all. Given a choice, any sane person would always choose to have a visibly better picture quality on their TV, all else being equal including cost. TV PQ matters and it always has and always will until they all give perfect pictures such that looking at a TV image looks like looking thru a crystal clear window on a real scene( except in 2D, hell maybe even 3D in the future). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 8:40 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter - Original Message - From: Norm Baugher Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter Ditto. I couldn't give a rat's [EMAIL PROTECTED] ass about TV quality. But I do like a good BW print... Don't tell me, intercourseface is trying to say that you are an idiot for thinking you can appreciate a still picture without having any appreciation for a moving one? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Thanks for that Cotty. You saved me a rant. Discovery Channel here recently broadcasted a performance the London Symphony Orchestra in HD and surround sound. Fabulous. Other things on Discovery, such as Sunrise Earth are not to be missed as well. Paul On Dec 20, 2006, at 1:14 PM, Cotty wrote: On 20/12/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Neither of us has time to waste on TV. I find that incredibly naive from someone so well versed in music and the arts? On the whole, I would agree that most TV is absolute drivel and total garbage. However, there are plenty of examples of good documentary-making, especially in terms of natural history and music and the performing arts. Obviously with my career being in TV, I'm pretty much committed to it in terms of promoting the good things about it. I also fully appreciate that many people have no interest in it whatsoever, and care not a jot about what they might not have access to. But to think that I am wasting my time watching television is pretty severe. I certainly *have* wasted some of my time watching something I later regretted because it was just plain crap. I have also learned a great deal from seeing things that I would not normally be able to see in my lifetime, enjoyed fantastic music performances that I could not get access to, and generally been privy to some of the most wonderful images - moving and still - that have both inspired me and allowed my own personal creativity to expand in new ways. Wasting time is obviously a subjective activity ;-) Rant over ! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Thanks everyone for the input. :) I had a feeling high was too high to sear but had seen on the food channel that I was supposed to use as hot as I possibly could in order to get a good sear going for locking in the goodies. Will try on med high next time. On 12/20/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another suggestion, heat the pan to medium high, I use 7 on my electric range (I would prefer gas, but I am a renter), to sear the meat on both sides, then turn the burner down and cook the meat to what ever level of doneness you prefer. You will find that you do not get near as much crud doing it that way. skye wrote: Oh, great - maybe you cast iron guys can help me with my question. I have a recipe where I need to sear an eye of round on all sides (let's say 2 minutes a side so 12 minutes total). Usually I put the pan on high heat, and end up with an outside that's a nice rich brown colour. However, there's a bunch of smoke from the melted fat and at the end, there's blackened stuff on the bottom of the pan to scour away. Then there's a couple of days where nothing wants to slide off anymore. Is that normal for searing large chunks? Am I putting it up too hot? Should I drain off the fat partway through cooking? Which camera should I take photos of the result with? (trying to keep this on topic) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just coat new pans with vegetable oil, heat them until the oil just starts to smoke, then wipe it out and put it away. I usually do this two or three times before cooking with it. Thereafter, I never ever wash them with soap. I usually just wipe them out. Once in a while, I'll rinse one with water if necessary, but I wipe it with oil before putting it away. PAM non-stick spray can be used in lieu of oil. It appears to be justt oil with alcohol added. The alcohol evaporates almost immediately. Paul What he said, except I just use oil - not Pam (I don't buy anything that comes in a aerosol can) ann -- Original message -- From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] How would you suggest breaking it in and seasoning it? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right, and your pan will last forever. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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That is hilarious! On 12/20/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My wife can be quite scientific about things. Each time one of her friends has got married, she has staged a session at some sports arena, where the bride to be has thrown a frying pan as far as she could. The distance measured was written down on a Safe Range certificate, and delivered to the groom at the reception *after* the wedding. From her experience, most women prefer light pans with long range over cast iron stuff. :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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and no seat ! ...that's what makes him hard. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: 20 December 2006 09:53 To: pentax list Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter On 20/12/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: Of course, all bets are off if Frank can't run 3 meters without having a coughing fit. Franks a hard man. He rides a bicycle with no gears, no brakes, and no seat ! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Of course I should add that I work in television as well. I make the stuff that keeps the shows from slamming together. Paul On Dec 20, 2006, at 2:14 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Thanks for that Cotty. You saved me a rant. Discovery Channel here recently broadcasted a performance the London Symphony Orchestra in HD and surround sound. Fabulous. Other things on Discovery, such as Sunrise Earth are not to be missed as well. Paul On Dec 20, 2006, at 1:14 PM, Cotty wrote: On 20/12/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Neither of us has time to waste on TV. I find that incredibly naive from someone so well versed in music and the arts? On the whole, I would agree that most TV is absolute drivel and total garbage. However, there are plenty of examples of good documentary-making, especially in terms of natural history and music and the performing arts. Obviously with my career being in TV, I'm pretty much committed to it in terms of promoting the good things about it. I also fully appreciate that many people have no interest in it whatsoever, and care not a jot about what they might not have access to. But to think that I am wasting my time watching television is pretty severe. I certainly *have* wasted some of my time watching something I later regretted because it was just plain crap. I have also learned a great deal from seeing things that I would not normally be able to see in my lifetime, enjoyed fantastic music performances that I could not get access to, and generally been privy to some of the most wonderful images - moving and still - that have both inspired me and allowed my own personal creativity to expand in new ways. Wasting time is obviously a subjective activity ;-) Rant over ! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hell, you use an apron? If you want to save your clothes be a real man and cook in the nude... Tom C wrote: You sissies cook inside on a stove sop? HAHAHAHA. Real men like me do it with a grill. Outside in the sun, sleet, rain, snow, mud, blizzard. It gets the job done. It gets the meat and vegetables cooked, I don't care about non-stick. That's what a flame and wire metal brush are for. HAHAHAHA. Where's my apron? Tom C. From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 05:57:11 -0800 Ahh, two votes for the hard anodized. Thanks for jumping in John ... I know you like to cook, so your comments are definitely appreciated. Shel [Original Message] From: John Francis I'd certainly recommend it over the Calphalon non-stick coating. So far, though, I'm cautiously optimistic about Analon Advanced (which has handles that even my wife can manage, on the rare occasion that she touches the pans). Paul Stenquist wrote: Hi Shel, I'd recommend the Calphalon hard anodized over any pan with a non- stick coating. You don't need the coating if you break it in right, and your pan will last forever. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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If I had what you have, I would have better things to do to. No wonder you dont wanna waste your time watching it. I refuse to believe you honestly wouldnt rather be watching something better WHEN YOU DO WATCH. Of course the matter of cost determines whether you would upgrade or not, but that was not my point, my point is that picture quality always matters all else being equal, nobody likes a poor looking image equally the same as a good looking image. Thats hogwash to suggest otherwise. But I am not sure if you are suggesting that or not. It sounds like you just dont want to pay for better picture quality, which I can believe, but not caring about picture quality at all, I simply dont believe. It sounds like a case of not wanting to spend any money, not not caring about pictue quality. Why wouldnt you want your picure to be better if it could be without any cost or other drawbacks? jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob W Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:29 AM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter Well, 'they' in this instance includes me. I have a 14 analogue set. No cable, no satellite, not even an aerial, and the picture is rubbish. I don't care. I've got better things to do with my time and money. You can believe that or not, but it is a fact, not an opinion and your disbelief is no cause to keep banging on about it. And now you have heard of people who don't care whether their TV picture sucks or is good, so lets just get over it and get on with the rest of our lives, shall we? -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell Sent: 20 December 2006 01:03 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter Because I dont belive it, that's why. Why wouldnt they care? Are they legally blind or something? I have never heard of anyone who didnt care whether their TV picture sucks or is good in my life. And that is what this is, good vs sucks TV picture. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob W Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 6:51 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter I asked the question, WHY would you stick with analog when you can now get something much much better for very low cost? and plenty of people have given you the answer: they just don't give a shit. So why not leave it at that? -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell Sent: 19 December 2006 23:30 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter I will respond to one thing, and its not to win its on the topic. I have already stated this about 10 times, these sets are now CHEAPER than they were 10 years ago with way better picture quality which give you ( I think I forgot to mention this) way better VIEWING EXPERIENCE. I remember when I first started viewing really good HD sources, that now only was the the picture better than I expected, it was better than I could even imagined was possible. That was my first impression of it all. Secondly, you get fairly easily get a whole bunch of HDTV feeds for no monthly fee at all by buying a good antenna for around $100. As for the stupid comments I didnt say anyone was stupid, I asked the question, WHY would you stick with analog when you can now get something much much better for very low cost? Its like sticking with dialup even after DSL came way down in price, or sticking with an old PC just because it still works. If the new product is cheap enough to be affordable, who cares if its 100 times the price of the old one if it does things the old one cant? NTSC cant do for you what HD can. Trust me on this, the difference is not subtle and I am not talking about specs, I am talking about the difference in the viewing experence. I not only wouldnt watch an old analog NTSC set even if you gave me the best one ever made and for free. that means HD would be infinately more costly, but it not the cost factor that counts, its the entertainment value that counts. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cory Papenfuss Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:19 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote: I forgot something, THE PICTURE (quality) IS NOT IMPORTANT for a lot of people? Are you crazy? I am posting this stuff in a photo forum inhabited by mostly photographers. They should know better than that unless all they watch is hillbilly shows like COPS, Pro
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I never claimed that HD equals a good print. Buts its way closer to a good print/REALITY than analog TV is or ever was and thats the whole topic of discussion here. Just because you prefer a print over HD image or going a movie theater over a HD image, that is not the point, the point is that HD tv image is preferable to an analog TV image, because these both are the same thing as each other in terms of function, its just that HD does it much more accurately. Movie theaters and still prints are not the same function/thing as either HD and analog tvs. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:50 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter Yes, I have. Quality. I have yet to see a screen with the same quality as a good print. The 21 apple monitor is OK, but still not that good. Not just the sharpness but also the texture of the picture is better on paper. Movies are different, and I still prefer to watch a good movie in a cinema with darkness and no distractions from family, telephones etc. Action and science fiction may be OK to watch at home but I avoid looking at the really good ones at home. It just spoils the impression. DagT Fra: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter Have you ever asked yourself WHY? Its not very logical that you can appreciate a really good print but video picture quality doesnt matter at all to you. That would only be logical if you didnt watch TV at all. Umm, let's see, maybe you are not aware of really how good (how much better than analog) a HD image can look and thus assume you dont or wouldnt care but you actually would once you see the difference? Thats all I can come with with your still being of sane mind jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:18 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter No, it is true. I couldn´t care less about TV quality, but I love a good print. So much in fact that I still make fiber based and selenium toned BW prints from 6x6 negatives myself. Accept the difference. DagT Den 19. des. 2006 kl. 23.04 skrev J. C. O'Connell: I forgot something, THE PICTURE (quality) IS NOT IMPORTANT for a lot of people? Are you crazy? I am posting this stuff in a photo forum inhabited by mostly photographers. They should know better than that unless all they watch is hillbilly shows like COPS, Pro Wrestling, AND Fear Factor. Thats not the demographic of this group I dont think makes any sense to say that. Vastly improved picture quality enhances motion pictures just as much it does still pictures...Come on with this stuff! jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cory Papenfuss Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:23 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Why should I accept an opposing opinion (especailly one I STRONGLY oppose) I that dont believe in or cannot be backed up with a good factual argument to support it. I wont and never will. Its called conviction. I dont expect everyone to agree with me on everything, and many many things are gray which I avoid. But to expect me to just accept anything else without good cause is simply crazy. And secondly, I honestly believe that there are people posting here opposing viewpoints they dont even believe in just to oppose me no matter what I post. jco You don't have to accept it. You should, however, realize that others might have a wildly different point of view and an opinion. That doesn't make them wrong, just different from your viewpoint. When you express your *opinion* as FACT and then argue with those who don't agree with those facts, it incites anoyance. The HDTV argument was particularly obtuse. Yes the picture is better... quantifiably so. Yes the prices have come down... they are still not cheap. You fail to understand that for a lot of people, TV is not very important... whether the picture is NTSC or IMAX, it doesn't matter to them. It's a *personal choice* on their part that you need to be able to accept and understand. -Cory -- ** ** * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * ** ** * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax
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On Dec 20, 2006, at 13:24, Paul Stenquist wrote: Of course I should add that I work in television as well. I make the stuff that keeps the shows from slamming together. And I squeeze the shows back together with each other by using that funny little button on the TiVo. Sorry! -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Why does image quality matter to you in one format but not in another? Image quality is universal to me, I dont care whether its a newspaper image, a magazine image, a home theater image, a black and whit print image, a web image, a slide image, etc, etc, etc. Better image quality is better than worse image quality for images viewing. I know that sounds kind of obvious, but you guys are suggesting that better image quality is not better for viewing images in some formats and I disagree. It does not make any sense that image quality only matters in certain formats unless you dont use those formats, and the arguments being presented here are not from people who dont watch home video, they are actaully claiming that image quality doesnt matter to them in that format even though they DO watch/view that format. Its not very credible if taken literally IMHO. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Norm Baugher Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 7:43 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter Ditto. I couldn't give a rat's [EMAIL PROTECTED] ass about TV quality. But I do like a good BW print... DagT wrote: No, it is true. I couldn´t care less about TV quality, but I love a good print. So much in fact that I still make fiber based and selenium toned BW prints from 6x6 negatives myself. Accept the difference. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Enjoying the incredibly wide ranging and sometimes highly educational/spirtual films/shows/events you can see on a good home theater is not just wasting time , but I can see how trying to watch/experience them the way they were meant to be seen with that kind of playback gear would be. Can't you see the paradox your in? Its like saying I have a real crappy boom box I bought at walmart on sale for 13.38 but I hardly even use it because I dont have the time to waste on music when someone suggests/recommends buying an excellent affordable high end music playback system to you. Has it ever occured to your that it might be your video playback system getting in the way of the your enjoyment of the medium? jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 7:46 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter Bob W wrote: Well, 'they' in this instance includes me. I have a 14 analogue set. No cable, no satellite, not even an aerial, and the picture is rubbish. I don't care. I've got better things to do with my time and money. We have just a 13 set... in storage in the basement somewhere. We get it out occasionally for Lisa's mother when she's visiting but haven't watched it ourselves in literally years. Neither of us has time to waste on TV. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Yeah. I'm a throwback... drives my son crazy. Tom C. From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:03:06 + On 20/12/06, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed: All Creatures Great and Small The Prisoner UFO The Persuaders So you like history programmes ?? ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Cotty wrote: On 20/12/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Neither of us has time to waste on TV. I find that incredibly naive from someone so well versed in music and the arts? Rewind a little, Cotty. I didn't say that TV was a waste of time, just that *I* don't have time to waste on it. Big difference. Between writing course material, preparing classes, grading coursework, commuting 65 miles, maintaining my web site and working on freelance projects, my free time has been virtually non-existent for the past few months. Now on the between-semester break I not only have to catch up on a lot of things I've missed since September, I'm trying to shoot some stuff for myself and write some music before the whole business starts up again in January. No matter how valuable the programs on television may be I just don't have the time in general. And if it comes down to choosing between watching someone else's art and working my own, there's only one way that decision's going to come out... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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You didn´t get the point did you? If you want quality you go to the movies. HDTV may be better than TV but it is still second best. And yes, I do prefer to listen to music live, but that is harder to accomplish so I have a good stereo. DagT Den 20. des. 2006 kl. 20.53 skrev J. C. O'Connell: I never claimed that HD equals a good print. Buts its way closer to a good print/REALITY than analog TV is or ever was and thats the whole topic of discussion here. Just because you prefer a print over HD image or going a movie theater over a HD image, that is not the point, the point is that HD tv image is preferable to an analog TV image, because these both are the same thing as each other in terms of function, its just that HD does it much more accurately. Movie theaters and still prints are not the same function/thing as either HD and analog tvs. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:50 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter Yes, I have. Quality. I have yet to see a screen with the same quality as a good print. The 21 apple monitor is OK, but still not that good. Not just the sharpness but also the texture of the picture is better on paper. Movies are different, and I still prefer to watch a good movie in a cinema with darkness and no distractions from family, telephones etc. Action and science fiction may be OK to watch at home but I avoid looking at the really good ones at home. It just spoils the impression. DagT Fra: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter Have you ever asked yourself WHY? Its not very logical that you can appreciate a really good print but video picture quality doesnt matter at all to you. That would only be logical if you didnt watch TV at all. Umm, let's see, maybe you are not aware of really how good (how much better than analog) a HD image can look and thus assume you dont or wouldnt care but you actually would once you see the difference? Thats all I can come with with your still being of sane mind jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:18 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter No, it is true. I couldn´t care less about TV quality, but I love a good print. So much in fact that I still make fiber based and selenium toned BW prints from 6x6 negatives myself. Accept the difference. DagT Den 19. des. 2006 kl. 23.04 skrev J. C. O'Connell: I forgot something, THE PICTURE (quality) IS NOT IMPORTANT for a lot of people? Are you crazy? I am posting this stuff in a photo forum inhabited by mostly photographers. They should know better than that unless all they watch is hillbilly shows like COPS, Pro Wrestling, AND Fear Factor. Thats not the demographic of this group I dont think makes any sense to say that. Vastly improved picture quality enhances motion pictures just as much it does still pictures...Come on with this stuff! jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cory Papenfuss Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:23 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Why should I accept an opposing opinion (especailly one I STRONGLY oppose) I that dont believe in or cannot be backed up with a good factual argument to support it. I wont and never will. Its called conviction. I dont expect everyone to agree with me on everything, and many many things are gray which I avoid. But to expect me to just accept anything else without good cause is simply crazy. And secondly, I honestly believe that there are people posting here opposing viewpoints they dont even believe in just to oppose me no matter what I post. jco You don't have to accept it. You should, however, realize that others might have a wildly different point of view and an opinion. That doesn't make them wrong, just different from your viewpoint. When you express your *opinion* as FACT and then argue with those who don't agree with those facts, it incites anoyance. The HDTV argument was particularly obtuse. Yes the picture is better... quantifiably so. Yes the prices have come down... they are still not cheap. You fail to understand that for a lot of people, TV is not very important... whether the picture is NTSC or IMAX, it doesn't matter to them. It's a *personal choice* on their part that you need to be able to accept and understand. -Cory -- ** ** * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering * * Virginia Polytechnic
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On 20/12/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Rewind a little, Cotty. I didn't say that TV was a waste of time, just that *I* don't have time to waste on it. Big difference. Between writing course material, preparing classes, grading coursework, commuting 65 miles, maintaining my web site and working on freelance projects, my free time has been virtually non-existent for the past few months. Now on the between-semester break I not only have to catch up on a lot of things I've missed since September, I'm trying to shoot some stuff for myself and write some music before the whole business starts up again in January. No matter how valuable the programs on television may be I just don't have the time in general. And if it comes down to choosing between watching someone else's art and working my own, there's only one way that decision's going to come out... Points taken. Good mitigating circumstances. You should have gone into law ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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And yes, I do prefer to listen to music live, but that is harder to accomplish so I have a good stereo. DagT It's hard for me to listen to music dead. I don't hear anything. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Personally, I prefer to experience movies when *I* want to see them (including pauses for bathroom breaks), and without having to listen to the people in front of me discussing the plot of the movie (or the mother four rows away disciplining her unruly kids). Plus, of course, the equipment is only as good as the operator. I've watched movies that were out of focus a good part of the time, or in theatres where the sound balance was way off. If it's too bad I complain to the manager. The experience of a well set up all-digital cinema is pleasant. But that still forces me to watch when it's convenient for them, not for me, and they still want exorbitant sums for drinks, etc. And with increasing age, and decreasing hearing and vision, a large-screen HDTV with a 5.1 surround sound system is just fine, and noticeably better than a small screen and only stereo sound. On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 09:24:28PM +0100, DagT wrote: You didn?t get the point did you? If you want quality you go to the movies. HDTV may be better than TV but it is still second best. And yes, I do prefer to listen to music live, but that is harder to accomplish so I have a good stereo. DagT Den 20. des. 2006 kl. 20.53 skrev J. C. O'Connell: I never claimed that HD equals a good print. Buts its way closer to a good print/REALITY than analog TV is or ever was and thats the whole topic of discussion here. Just because you prefer a print over HD image or going a movie theater over a HD image, that is not the point, the point is that HD tv image is preferable to an analog TV image, because these both are the same thing as each other in terms of function, its just that HD does it much more accurately. Movie theaters and still prints are not the same function/thing as either HD and analog tvs. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:50 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter Yes, I have. Quality. I have yet to see a screen with the same quality as a good print. The 21 apple monitor is OK, but still not that good. Not just the sharpness but also the texture of the picture is better on paper. Movies are different, and I still prefer to watch a good movie in a cinema with darkness and no distractions from family, telephones etc. Action and science fiction may be OK to watch at home but I avoid looking at the really good ones at home. It just spoils the impression. DagT Fra: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter Have you ever asked yourself WHY? Its not very logical that you can appreciate a really good print but video picture quality doesnt matter at all to you. That would only be logical if you didnt watch TV at all. Umm, let's see, maybe you are not aware of really how good (how much better than analog) a HD image can look and thus assume you dont or wouldnt care but you actually would once you see the difference? Thats all I can come with with your still being of sane mind jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:18 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter No, it is true. I couldn?t care less about TV quality, but I love a good print. So much in fact that I still make fiber based and selenium toned BW prints from 6x6 negatives myself. Accept the difference. DagT Den 19. des. 2006 kl. 23.04 skrev J. C. O'Connell: I forgot something, THE PICTURE (quality) IS NOT IMPORTANT for a lot of people? Are you crazy? I am posting this stuff in a photo forum inhabited by mostly photographers. They should know better than that unless all they watch is hillbilly shows like COPS, Pro Wrestling, AND Fear Factor. Thats not the demographic of this group I dont think makes any sense to say that. Vastly improved picture quality enhances motion pictures just as much it does still pictures...Come on with this stuff! jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cory Papenfuss Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:23 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Why should I accept an opposing opinion (especailly one I STRONGLY oppose) I that dont believe in or cannot be backed up with a good factual argument to support it. I wont and never will. Its called conviction. I dont expect everyone to agree with me on everything, and many many things are gray which I avoid. But to expect me to just accept anything else without good cause is simply crazy. And secondly, I honestly believe
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Can't know that until yer tried! :-) Jostein On 12/20/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yes, I do prefer to listen to music live, but that is harder to accomplish so I have a good stereo. DagT It's hard for me to listen to music dead. I don't hear anything. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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the freezing rain running down your neck Tom C wrote: Well I do have a cast iron griddle for that... sits on the grates. :-) Eggs, pancakes, hashbrowns, home-made (seasoned) ground pork patties... Clear, crisp sumer morning, fresh coffee... the smell... Tom C. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:38:14 -0800 Must be fun making scrambled eggs. G On Dec 20, 2006, at 9:07 AM, Tom C wrote: You sissies cook inside on a stove sop? HAHAHAHA. Real men like me do it with a grill. Outside in the sun, sleet, rain, snow, mud, blizzard. It gets the job done. It gets the meat and vegetables cooked, I don't care about non-stick. That's what a flame and wire metal brush are for. HAHAHAHA. Where's my apron? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 20/12/06, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed: And I squeeze the shows back together with each other by using that funny little button on the TiVo. Sorry! Most ads are repetitious and annoying, but they certainly pay my wages. Having said that, there are some fantastically creative minds at work in the top leagues, and a well crafted TV ad is pretty special to watch. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Den 20. des. 2006 kl. 21.44 skrev Tom C: And yes, I do prefer to listen to music live, but that is harder to accomplish so I have a good stereo. DagT It's hard for me to listen to music dead. I don't hear anything. Tom C. You should try it while your alive then... DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Besides, it is now tax deductable for you grin. Anyway I just check out a DVD of Casablanca from the library. Someday, I am going to see that movie on the big screen. I understand the App State runs it every year for the kids taking the movie appreciation course. I will have to find a schedule... Cotty wrote: On 20/12/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Neither of us has time to waste on TV. I find that incredibly naive from someone so well versed in music and the arts? On the whole, I would agree that most TV is absolute drivel and total garbage. However, there are plenty of examples of good documentary-making, especially in terms of natural history and music and the performing arts. Obviously with my career being in TV, I'm pretty much committed to it in terms of promoting the good things about it. I also fully appreciate that many people have no interest in it whatsoever, and care not a jot about what they might not have access to. But to think that I am wasting my time watching television is pretty severe. I certainly *have* wasted some of my time watching something I later regretted because it was just plain crap. I have also learned a great deal from seeing things that I would not normally be able to see in my lifetime, enjoyed fantastic music performances that I could not get access to, and generally been privy to some of the most wonderful images - moving and still - that have both inspired me and allowed my own personal creativity to expand in new ways. Wasting time is obviously a subjective activity ;-) Rant over ! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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graywolf wrote: Anyway I just check out a DVD of Casablanca from the library. Someday, I am going to see that movie on the big screen. I've it on the big screen twice (once in Rochester at the George Eastman house and once in Pittsburgh at a Pittsburgh Filmmakers showing) and it is amazing. A friend of mine who teaches photography recommends his students watch Casablance to see how to use light/lighting. One thing I really miss about Rochester is the regular film showings at the Dryden Theater at the George Eastman house. Needless to say, they have an *enormous* archive to draw from... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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As I said. It depends on the movie. Hollywood actions may be seen under any circumstances, good movies deserve a large screen and a dark room .-) I live five minutes walk from a local cinema and once a year I meet a gang, mostly of photographers, and we watch movies for three days. A little wine, nice people and movies. This year the movies were made by: Rainer Werner Fassbinder, Paolo and Vittorio Taviani, Bahman Ghobadi, Alexander Sokurov, Ingmar Bergman, Emir Kusturica, Jan Troell, Martin Parr, Giuseppe Tornatore, Knut Elstermann, Gabriele Salvatores and Bernardo Bertolucci. Anyway, this was only to show that if your criteria is quality, like JCO claims, then HDTV isn´t the best there is. If I want quality I go to a cinema. If the primary issue is that you want to do it at home, then maybe he is right but I don´t care. DagT Den 20. des. 2006 kl. 21.58 skrev John Francis: Personally, I prefer to experience movies when *I* want to see them (including pauses for bathroom breaks), and without having to listen to the people in front of me discussing the plot of the movie (or the mother four rows away disciplining her unruly kids). Plus, of course, the equipment is only as good as the operator. I've watched movies that were out of focus a good part of the time, or in theatres where the sound balance was way off. If it's too bad I complain to the manager. The experience of a well set up all-digital cinema is pleasant. But that still forces me to watch when it's convenient for them, not for me, and they still want exorbitant sums for drinks, etc. And with increasing age, and decreasing hearing and vision, a large-screen HDTV with a 5.1 surround sound system is just fine, and noticeably better than a small screen and only stereo sound. On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 09:24:28PM +0100, DagT wrote: You didn?t get the point did you? If you want quality you go to the movies. HDTV may be better than TV but it is still second best. And yes, I do prefer to listen to music live, but that is harder to accomplish so I have a good stereo. DagT Den 20. des. 2006 kl. 20.53 skrev J. C. O'Connell: I never claimed that HD equals a good print. Buts its way closer to a good print/REALITY than analog TV is or ever was and thats the whole topic of discussion here. Just because you prefer a print over HD image or going a movie theater over a HD image, that is not the point, the point is that HD tv image is preferable to an analog TV image, because these both are the same thing as each other in terms of function, its just that HD does it much more accurately. Movie theaters and still prints are not the same function/thing as either HD and analog tvs. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:50 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter Yes, I have. Quality. I have yet to see a screen with the same quality as a good print. The 21 apple monitor is OK, but still not that good. Not just the sharpness but also the texture of the picture is better on paper. Movies are different, and I still prefer to watch a good movie in a cinema with darkness and no distractions from family, telephones etc. Action and science fiction may be OK to watch at home but I avoid looking at the really good ones at home. It just spoils the impression. DagT Fra: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter Have you ever asked yourself WHY? Its not very logical that you can appreciate a really good print but video picture quality doesnt matter at all to you. That would only be logical if you didnt watch TV at all. Umm, let's see, maybe you are not aware of really how good (how much better than analog) a HD image can look and thus assume you dont or wouldnt care but you actually would once you see the difference? Thats all I can come with with your still being of sane mind jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:18 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter No, it is true. I couldn?t care less about TV quality, but I love a good print. So much in fact that I still make fiber based and selenium toned BW prints from 6x6 negatives myself. Accept the difference. DagT Den 19. des. 2006 kl. 23.04 skrev J. C. O'Connell: I forgot something, THE PICTURE (quality) IS NOT IMPORTANT for a lot of people? Are you crazy? I am posting this stuff in a photo forum inhabited by mostly photographers. They should know better than that unless all they watch is hillbilly shows like COPS, Pro Wrestling, AND Fear Factor. Thats not the demographic of this group I dont think makes any sense to say that. Vastly improved
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No problem. I still get paid:-). And as you can tell by the discussions on this list, a lot of people have just barely discovered broadcast television. Tivo is on the far horizon for most. By the time it's widespread, we'll have a workaround. In fact, we already do: the embedded commercial. Coming to a set near you soon! Paul On Dec 20, 2006, at 3:03 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Dec 20, 2006, at 13:24, Paul Stenquist wrote: Of course I should add that I work in television as well. I make the stuff that keeps the shows from slamming together. And I squeeze the shows back together with each other by using that funny little button on the TiVo. Sorry! -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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If thats what you meant you should have posted that you just dont have enough time to watch television, not that it's a waste of time. Whatever. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:28 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter Cotty wrote: On 20/12/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Neither of us has time to waste on TV. I find that incredibly naive from someone so well versed in music and the arts? Rewind a little, Cotty. I didn't say that TV was a waste of time, just that *I* don't have time to waste on it. Big difference. Between writing course material, preparing classes, grading coursework, commuting 65 miles, maintaining my web site and working on freelance projects, my free time has been virtually non-existent for the past few months. Now on the between-semester break I not only have to catch up on a lot of things I've missed since September, I'm trying to shoot some stuff for myself and write some music before the whole business starts up again in January. No matter how valuable the programs on television may be I just don't have the time in general. And if it comes down to choosing between watching someone else's art and working my own, there's only one way that decision's going to come out... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Are you kidding? You cant see even a tiny tiny fraction of what you can see on HD home theater at the movies so its not even remotely comparable to owning a HD home theater. They dont show even complete basic genres like news, sporting events, televison shows, etc. at movie theaters. They only show for the most part, recent movies, thats it. No way you can compare that directly with HD home theater. Its a very lame argument in my opinion. HD and analog TV are comparable as to function, not but home HD theater and going to the movies are not. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:24 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter You didn´t get the point did you? If you want quality you go to the movies. HDTV may be better than TV but it is still second best. And yes, I do prefer to listen to music live, but that is harder to accomplish so I have a good stereo. DagT Den 20. des. 2006 kl. 20.53 skrev J. C. O'Connell: I never claimed that HD equals a good print. Buts its way closer to a good print/REALITY than analog TV is or ever was and thats the whole topic of discussion here. Just because you prefer a print over HD image or going a movie theater over a HD image, that is not the point, the point is that HD tv image is preferable to an analog TV image, because these both are the same thing as each other in terms of function, its just that HD does it much more accurately. Movie theaters and still prints are not the same function/thing as either HD and analog tvs. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:50 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter Yes, I have. Quality. I have yet to see a screen with the same quality as a good print. The 21 apple monitor is OK, but still not that good. Not just the sharpness but also the texture of the picture is better on paper. Movies are different, and I still prefer to watch a good movie in a cinema with darkness and no distractions from family, telephones etc. Action and science fiction may be OK to watch at home but I avoid looking at the really good ones at home. It just spoils the impression. DagT Fra: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter Have you ever asked yourself WHY? Its not very logical that you can appreciate a really good print but video picture quality doesnt matter at all to you. That would only be logical if you didnt watch TV at all. Umm, let's see, maybe you are not aware of really how good (how much better than analog) a HD image can look and thus assume you dont or wouldnt care but you actually would once you see the difference? Thats all I can come with with your still being of sane mind jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:18 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter No, it is true. I couldn´t care less about TV quality, but I love a good print. So much in fact that I still make fiber based and selenium toned BW prints from 6x6 negatives myself. Accept the difference. DagT Den 19. des. 2006 kl. 23.04 skrev J. C. O'Connell: I forgot something, THE PICTURE (quality) IS NOT IMPORTANT for a lot of people? Are you crazy? I am posting this stuff in a photo forum inhabited by mostly photographers. They should know better than that unless all they watch is hillbilly shows like COPS, Pro Wrestling, AND Fear Factor. Thats not the demographic of this group I dont think makes any sense to say that. Vastly improved picture quality enhances motion pictures just as much it does still pictures...Come on with this stuff! jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cory Papenfuss Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:23 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Why should I accept an opposing opinion (especailly one I STRONGLY oppose) I that dont believe in or cannot be backed up with a good factual argument to support it. I wont and never will. Its called conviction. I dont expect everyone to agree with me on everything, and many many things are gray which I avoid. But to expect me to just accept anything else without good cause is simply crazy. And secondly, I honestly believe that there are people posting here opposing viewpoints they dont even believe in just to oppose me no matter what I post. jco You don't have to accept it. You should, however, realize that others might have a wildly different point of view and an opinion
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Jostein Øksne wrote: On 12/20/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yes, I do prefer to listen to music live, but that is harder to accomplish so I have a good stereo. It's hard for me to listen to music dead. I don't hear anything. Can't know that until yer tried! :-) I'm spending a year dead for tax purposes... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Well, I don´t need HDTV to watch news, the message comes across anyway. I´m more interested in what they are saying. So please keep your opinions, the only thing I started with was that they were not the same as mine. Accept it. DagT Den 20. des. 2006 kl. 22.47 skrev J. C. O'Connell: Are you kidding? You cant see even a tiny tiny fraction of what you can see on HD home theater at the movies so its not even remotely comparable to owning a HD home theater. They dont show even complete basic genres like news, sporting events, televison shows, etc. at movie theaters. They only show for the most part, recent movies, thats it. No way you can compare that directly with HD home theater. Its a very lame argument in my opinion. HD and analog TV are comparable as to function, not but home HD theater and going to the movies are not. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:24 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter You didn´t get the point did you? If you want quality you go to the movies. HDTV may be better than TV but it is still second best. And yes, I do prefer to listen to music live, but that is harder to accomplish so I have a good stereo. DagT Den 20. des. 2006 kl. 20.53 skrev J. C. O'Connell: I never claimed that HD equals a good print. Buts its way closer to a good print/REALITY than analog TV is or ever was and thats the whole topic of discussion here. Just because you prefer a print over HD image or going a movie theater over a HD image, that is not the point, the point is that HD tv image is preferable to an analog TV image, because these both are the same thing as each other in terms of function, its just that HD does it much more accurately. Movie theaters and still prints are not the same function/thing as either HD and analog tvs. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:50 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter Yes, I have. Quality. I have yet to see a screen with the same quality as a good print. The 21 apple monitor is OK, but still not that good. Not just the sharpness but also the texture of the picture is better on paper. Movies are different, and I still prefer to watch a good movie in a cinema with darkness and no distractions from family, telephones etc. Action and science fiction may be OK to watch at home but I avoid looking at the really good ones at home. It just spoils the impression. DagT Fra: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter Have you ever asked yourself WHY? Its not very logical that you can appreciate a really good print but video picture quality doesnt matter at all to you. That would only be logical if you didnt watch TV at all. Umm, let's see, maybe you are not aware of really how good (how much better than analog) a HD image can look and thus assume you dont or wouldnt care but you actually would once you see the difference? Thats all I can come with with your still being of sane mind jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:18 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Please everyone set up an email filter No, it is true. I couldn´t care less about TV quality, but I love a good print. So much in fact that I still make fiber based and selenium toned BW prints from 6x6 negatives myself. Accept the difference. DagT Den 19. des. 2006 kl. 23.04 skrev J. C. O'Connell: I forgot something, THE PICTURE (quality) IS NOT IMPORTANT for a lot of people? Are you crazy? I am posting this stuff in a photo forum inhabited by mostly photographers. They should know better than that unless all they watch is hillbilly shows like COPS, Pro Wrestling, AND Fear Factor. Thats not the demographic of this group I dont think makes any sense to say that. Vastly improved picture quality enhances motion pictures just as much it does still pictures...Come on with this stuff! jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cory Papenfuss Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:23 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Please everyone set up an email filter On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Why should I accept an opposing opinion (especailly one I STRONGLY oppose) I that dont believe in or cannot be backed up with a good factual argument to support it. I wont and never will. Its called conviction. I dont expect everyone to agree with me on everything, and many many things are gray which I avoid. But to expect me to just accept anything else without good cause
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Fair enough. On Dec 20, 2006, at 3:27 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Cotty wrote: On 20/12/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Neither of us has time to waste on TV. I find that incredibly naive from someone so well versed in music and the arts? Rewind a little, Cotty. I didn't say that TV was a waste of time, just that *I* don't have time to waste on it. Big difference. Between writing course material, preparing classes, grading coursework, commuting 65 miles, maintaining my web site and working on freelance projects, my free time has been virtually non-existent for the past few months. Now on the between-semester break I not only have to catch up on a lot of things I've missed since September, I'm trying to shoot some stuff for myself and write some music before the whole business starts up again in January. No matter how valuable the programs on television may be I just don't have the time in general. And if it comes down to choosing between watching someone else's art and working my own, there's only one way that decision's going to come out... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
