Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
Thanks, Miserere. Few most valuable points in your blog entry from Photo Plus Expo... Boris On 11/1/2010 7:47 AM, Miserere wrote: It's all here, if you're interested: http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ The 645D? What a camera... Lovely viewfinder too. --M. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
Miserere wrote: http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ Thank-you so much. Ned's comments match perfectly other statements I got from Pentax Europe folks, hence that must be the current Pentax strategy. However, I'm quite worried by the following: "If Pentax enter the EVIL market it will be with a unique offering that sets them apart from the rest of manufacturers. There's not point in producing a me-too EVIL." Since I like so much the Olympus PEN and Panasonic GF series (both the concept and how it's been implemented), I was hoping for a Pentax sibling. Perhaps it's time I move on. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
Well done. Especially the time travel part, where you were able to leap ahead to November 29th! :-). Paul On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:47 AM, Miserere wrote: > It's all here, if you're interested: > > http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ > > The 645D? What a camera... Lovely viewfinder too. > > > --M. > -- > > \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com > > http://EnticingTheLight.com > A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
I love the caption on that shot at the top. "Chris Pound explains how much he likes the 645D while, in the background, Ned Bunnell indicates how many grand it will cost." On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Miserere wrote: > It's all here, if you're interested: > > http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ > > The 645D? What a camera... Lovely viewfinder too. > > > --M. > -- > > \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com > > http://EnticingTheLight.com > A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
It does strike me that Pentax will never release things as fats as other companies simply because, even with Hoya, they are simply smaller and don't have the budget. I'm pleased they do as well as they do. I am looking forward to the ILC, however. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > I love the caption on that shot at the top. "Chris Pound explains how > much he likes the 645D while, in the background, Ned Bunnell indicates > how many grand it will cost." > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Miserere wrote: >> It's all here, if you're interested: >> >> http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ >> >> The 645D? What a camera... Lovely viewfinder too. >> >> >> --M. >> -- >> >> \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com >> >> http://EnticingTheLight.com >> A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- > Steve Desjardins > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
There is something that bothers me slightly. It is the mention of the fact that all future DA lenses except DA Limiteds will not be driven by screwdriver autofocus. It seems to make perfect sense as a prerequisite to introduction of EVIL camera. The converter to KAF4 (?) mount would only have to provide electric contacts and no mechanical coupling might be necessary. Or the coupling could be minimal. Yet it is a bit unsettling for those who have lots of "legacy" glass... Boris On 11/1/2010 1:34 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Well done. Especially the time travel part, where you were able to leap ahead to November 29th! :-). Paul On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:47 AM, Miserere wrote: It's all here, if you're interested: http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ The 645D? What a camera... Lovely viewfinder too. --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
The problem will be how long the bodies will continue to support the screw drive. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > There is something that bothers me slightly. It is the mention of the fact > that all future DA lenses except DA Limiteds will not be driven by > screwdriver autofocus. It seems to make perfect sense as a prerequisite to > introduction of EVIL camera. The converter to KAF4 (?) mount would only have > to provide electric contacts and no mechanical coupling might be necessary. > Or the coupling could be minimal. > > Yet it is a bit unsettling for those who have lots of "legacy" glass... > > Boris > > On 11/1/2010 1:34 PM, paul stenquist wrote: >> >> Well done. Especially the time travel part, where you were able to leap >> ahead to November 29th! :-). >> Paul >> >> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:47 AM, Miserere wrote: >> >>> It's all here, if you're interested: >>> >>> >>> http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ >>> >>> The 645D? What a camera... Lovely viewfinder too. >>> >>> >>> --M. >>> -- >>> >>> \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com >>> >>> http://EnticingTheLight.com >>> A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
>From my POV, it's more of a disappointment that my other lenses won't work on a new ILC. It makes sense, but it also means I have no real reason not to just keep using Olympus unless the Pentax ILC really is something special. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > The problem will be how long the bodies will continue to support the > screw drive. > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: >> There is something that bothers me slightly. It is the mention of the fact >> that all future DA lenses except DA Limiteds will not be driven by >> screwdriver autofocus. It seems to make perfect sense as a prerequisite to >> introduction of EVIL camera. The converter to KAF4 (?) mount would only have >> to provide electric contacts and no mechanical coupling might be necessary. >> Or the coupling could be minimal. >> >> Yet it is a bit unsettling for those who have lots of "legacy" glass... >> >> Boris >> >> On 11/1/2010 1:34 PM, paul stenquist wrote: >>> >>> Well done. Especially the time travel part, where you were able to leap >>> ahead to November 29th! :-). >>> Paul >>> >>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:47 AM, Miserere wrote: >>> It's all here, if you're interested: http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ The 645D? What a camera... Lovely viewfinder too. --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- > Steve Desjardins > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
I doubt that Pentax will support screw drive forever. It doesn't make sense economically. That's why I stopped buying FA and F glass several years ago. Now I have only the FA 50 and FA 35, both of which I rarely use. However, I suspect that there will be a couple more generations of DSLR cameras with screw drive. It's not an immediate problem. Paul On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: The problem will be how long the bodies will continue to support the screw drive. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: There is something that bothers me slightly. It is the mention of the fact that all future DA lenses except DA Limiteds will not be driven by screwdriver autofocus. It seems to make perfect sense as a prerequisite to introduction of EVIL camera. The converter to KAF4 (?) mount would only have to provide electric contacts and no mechanical coupling might be necessary. Or the coupling could be minimal. Yet it is a bit unsettling for those who have lots of "legacy" glass... Boris On 11/1/2010 1:34 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Well done. Especially the time travel part, where you were able to leap ahead to November 29th! :-). Paul On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:47 AM, Miserere wrote: It's all here, if you're interested: http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ The 645D? What a camera... Lovely viewfinder too. --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
As long as there are Limited lenses, bodies will support screwdrive focus. Maybe Pentax will go the Nikon route and only offer screwdrive support in their upper tier bodies. I don't think this should be a concern for us at the moment; it's a bit like not buying anything plastic because a plastic-eating bacteria might appear in the next few years :-) It makes a lot of sense to move away from screwdrive focus for new lenses that can fit it. Leica are the only ones who can make money by looking at the past, the rest of the companies have to look at the future. I doubt a Pentax MILC would support screwdrive AF, and I don't care. I want new primes designed specifically for the MILC and an adapter offering auto stop down for K mount lenses (like Sony offer). As for the me-too issue, I told Ned I would love a Pentax NX10--a Samsung NX10 with a Sony sensor and Pentax imaging pipeline. He just smiled at me :-) Oh, and John Carlson said he really enjoyed his GFM experience and sent a hello to the list. --M. On 01/11/2010, P N Stenquist wrote: > I doubt that Pentax will support screw drive forever. It doesn't make > sense economically. That's why I stopped buying FA and F glass several > years ago. Now I have only the FA 50 and FA 35, both of which I rarely > use. However, I suspect that there will be a couple more generations > of DSLR cameras with screw drive. It's not an immediate problem. > Paul > On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > >> The problem will be how long the bodies will continue to support the >> screw drive. >> >> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Boris Liberman >> wrote: >>> There is something that bothers me slightly. It is the mention of >>> the fact >>> that all future DA lenses except DA Limiteds will not be driven by >>> screwdriver autofocus. It seems to make perfect sense as a >>> prerequisite to >>> introduction of EVIL camera. The converter to KAF4 (?) mount would >>> only have >>> to provide electric contacts and no mechanical coupling might be >>> necessary. >>> Or the coupling could be minimal. >>> >>> Yet it is a bit unsettling for those who have lots of "legacy" >>> glass... >>> >>> Boris >>> >>> On 11/1/2010 1:34 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Well done. Especially the time travel part, where you were able to leap ahead to November 29th! :-). Paul On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:47 AM, Miserere wrote: > It's all here, if you're interested: > > > http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ > > The 645D? What a camera... Lovely viewfinder too. > > > --M. > -- > > \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com > > http://EnticingTheLight.com > A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly > above and > follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>> and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Steve Desjardins >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >> and follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Sent from my mobile device \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
Paul, without intent to sound provocative here, but Nikon D7000 appears to move in the opposite direction - it offers compatibility with non CPU'ed lenses by having mechanical aperture coupling. This kind of introduction would make even less sense economically, but it did happen. You're right - there is no immediate problem. Just yet. Boris On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:37 PM, P N Stenquist wrote: > I doubt that Pentax will support screw drive forever. It doesn't make sense > economically. That's why I stopped buying FA and F glass several years ago. > Now I have only the FA 50 and FA 35, both of which I rarely use. However, I > suspect that there will be a couple more generations of DSLR cameras with > screw drive. It's not an immediate problem. > Paul > On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > >> The problem will be how long the bodies will continue to support the >> screw drive. >> >> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: >>> >>> There is something that bothers me slightly. It is the mention of the >>> fact >>> that all future DA lenses except DA Limiteds will not be driven by >>> screwdriver autofocus. It seems to make perfect sense as a prerequisite >>> to >>> introduction of EVIL camera. The converter to KAF4 (?) mount would only >>> have >>> to provide electric contacts and no mechanical coupling might be >>> necessary. >>> Or the coupling could be minimal. >>> >>> Yet it is a bit unsettling for those who have lots of "legacy" glass... >>> >>> Boris >>> >>> On 11/1/2010 1:34 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Well done. Especially the time travel part, where you were able to leap ahead to November 29th! :-). Paul On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:47 AM, Miserere wrote: > It's all here, if you're interested: > > > > http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ > > The 645D? What a camera... Lovely viewfinder too. > > > --M. > -- > > \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com > > http://EnticingTheLight.com > A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Steve Desjardins >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
Reply interspersed. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Miserere wrote: > As long as there are Limited lenses, bodies will support screwdrive > focus. Maybe Pentax will go the Nikon route and only offer screwdrive > support in their upper tier bodies. Well, I respectfully disagree. As long as Limited lenses are produced you're right. But they are not going to be produced forever. If, for some reason, they are produced forever, then this whole branch of discussion has no point, but I think it does have a point. > I don't think this should be a concern for us at the moment; it's a > bit like not buying anything plastic because a plastic-eating bacteria > might appear in the next few years :-) No, not really (on both counts). Given longevity of my K10D and given Paul's comment that few more generations of Pentax DSLRs will have the screwdrive AF - it is not unreasonable to project that we'll have the tools to shoot with for the next 5 years or may be even more. However, Paul is also right pointing out that certain measures have to be taken in order to make one forward compatible, in a manner of speaking. > It makes a lot of sense to move away from screwdrive focus for new > lenses that can fit it. Leica are the only ones who can make money by > looking at the past, the rest of the companies have to look at the > future. Well, if your marketing advantage is colorful bodies and colorful lens barrels, then you're right. If you're catering for wider audience, the equation may be not that linear. > I doubt a Pentax MILC would support screwdrive AF, and I don't care. I > want new primes designed specifically for the MILC and an adapter > offering auto stop down for K mount lenses (like Sony offer). I don't want new primes. My old primes are still pretty transparent and shoot pretty damn good. In fact, I'd rather Pentax saw the backward compatibility as a strength or offered a reasonable path out. They seem to do neither having recently introduced the likes of 100/2.8 Macro WR which is screwdriven AF. Nor do they offer anything similar to FA limited lenses. Consider, Miserere, you have moderately fast moderately wide, normal and portrait lenses. I don't care about unique focal lengths or extra special build - I care about photographer tools. If you want to buy a lens wider than 35 mm and faster than 2.0 you have no options. If you want to buy a lens longer than 70 mm and faster than 2.0 you have no options. Even if you want to buy a normal lens (DA 55 being positioned specifically as FA 85/1.4 replacement) - you have no options. It is either older scredriver AF gear or third party lenses. Now, Pentax is known for their glass making, not colorful plastic, so I don't like the conclusion I am arriving at. > As for the me-too issue, I told Ned I would love a Pentax NX10--a > Samsung NX10 with a Sony sensor and Pentax imaging pipeline. He just > smiled at me :-) If Samsung is serious about it - they'll get there eventually. Presently I looked at Panasonic GH2. it seems that now the offer the trio of good lenses - 14/2.5, 20/1.7 and 45/2.8 macro. The sensor tech seems to be up to date state of art, so - there you go... Samsung keeps introducing new lenses as well, so your wishes are likely to be answered before Pentax shows their product. It seems to me that I am approaching the dead end with my gear. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
Miserere, Thanks for your coverage of the show. I read your synopsis of the conversation with Ned B. My only quarrel is with the $1,600 price holding up for the K-5. I'm pleased to report a $100 rebate is now available with purchase! That's a bonus. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Miserere wrote: > As long as there are Limited lenses, bodies will support screwdrive > focus. Maybe Pentax will go the Nikon route and only offer screwdrive > support in their upper tier bodies. > > I don't think this should be a concern for us at the moment; it's a > bit like not buying anything plastic because a plastic-eating bacteria > might appear in the next few years :-) > > It makes a lot of sense to move away from screwdrive focus for new > lenses that can fit it. Leica are the only ones who can make money by > looking at the past, the rest of the companies have to look at the > future. > > I doubt a Pentax MILC would support screwdrive AF, and I don't care. I > want new primes designed specifically for the MILC and an adapter > offering auto stop down for K mount lenses (like Sony offer). > > As for the me-too issue, I told Ned I would love a Pentax NX10--a > Samsung NX10 with a Sony sensor and Pentax imaging pipeline. He just > smiled at me :-) > > Oh, and John Carlson said he really enjoyed his GFM experience and > sent a hello to the list. > > > --M. > > > > On 01/11/2010, P N Stenquist wrote: >> I doubt that Pentax will support screw drive forever. It doesn't make >> sense economically. That's why I stopped buying FA and F glass several >> years ago. Now I have only the FA 50 and FA 35, both of which I rarely >> use. However, I suspect that there will be a couple more generations >> of DSLR cameras with screw drive. It's not an immediate problem. >> Paul >> On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: >> >>> The problem will be how long the bodies will continue to support the >>> screw drive. >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Boris Liberman >>> wrote: There is something that bothers me slightly. It is the mention of the fact that all future DA lenses except DA Limiteds will not be driven by screwdriver autofocus. It seems to make perfect sense as a prerequisite to introduction of EVIL camera. The converter to KAF4 (?) mount would only have to provide electric contacts and no mechanical coupling might be necessary. Or the coupling could be minimal. Yet it is a bit unsettling for those who have lots of "legacy" glass... Boris On 11/1/2010 1:34 PM, paul stenquist wrote: > > Well done. Especially the time travel part, where you were able to > leap > ahead to November 29th! :-). > Paul > > On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:47 AM, Miserere wrote: > >> It's all here, if you're interested: >> >> >> http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ >> >> The 645D? What a camera... Lovely viewfinder too. >> >> >> --M. >> -- >> >> \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com >> >> http://EnticingTheLight.com >> A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly >> above and >> follow the directions. > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Steve Desjardins >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>> and follow the directions. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > > \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com > > http://EnticingTheLight.com > A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What's the deal on the rebate? Is it a downloadable coupon? Paul On Nov 1, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Miserere, Thanks for your coverage of the show. I read your synopsis of the conversation with Ned B. My only quarrel is with the $1,600 price holding up for the K-5. I'm pleased to report a $100 rebate is now available with purchase! That's a bonus. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Miserere wrote: As long as there are Limited lenses, bodies will support screwdrive focus. Maybe Pentax will go the Nikon route and only offer screwdrive support in their upper tier bodies. I don't think this should be a concern for us at the moment; it's a bit like not buying anything plastic because a plastic-eating bacteria might appear in the next few years :-) It makes a lot of sense to move away from screwdrive focus for new lenses that can fit it. Leica are the only ones who can make money by looking at the past, the rest of the companies have to look at the future. I doubt a Pentax MILC would support screwdrive AF, and I don't care. I want new primes designed specifically for the MILC and an adapter offering auto stop down for K mount lenses (like Sony offer). As for the me-too issue, I told Ned I would love a Pentax NX10--a Samsung NX10 with a Sony sensor and Pentax imaging pipeline. He just smiled at me :-) Oh, and John Carlson said he really enjoyed his GFM experience and sent a hello to the list. --M. On 01/11/2010, P N Stenquist wrote: I doubt that Pentax will support screw drive forever. It doesn't make sense economically. That's why I stopped buying FA and F glass several years ago. Now I have only the FA 50 and FA 35, both of which I rarely use. However, I suspect that there will be a couple more generations of DSLR cameras with screw drive. It's not an immediate problem. Paul On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: The problem will be how long the bodies will continue to support the screw drive. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: There is something that bothers me slightly. It is the mention of the fact that all future DA lenses except DA Limiteds will not be driven by screwdriver autofocus. It seems to make perfect sense as a prerequisite to introduction of EVIL camera. The converter to KAF4 (?) mount would only have to provide electric contacts and no mechanical coupling might be necessary. Or the coupling could be minimal. Yet it is a bit unsettling for those who have lots of "legacy" glass... Boris On 11/1/2010 1:34 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Well done. Especially the time travel part, where you were able to leap ahead to November 29th! :-). Paul On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:47 AM, Miserere wrote: It's all here, if you're interested: http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ The 645D? What a camera... Lovely viewfinder too. --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Sent from my mobile device \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Boris Liberman wrote: There is something that bothers me slightly. The future is a crystal ball with a lot of fog and little if anything to be seen. I don't think Pentax knows the future, including their future moves beyond the next year, hence worrying now fo possible choices five years from now makes little sense. Use your current gear as long as it fits and move away if/when it can no longer suit your needs. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Not so sure Boris, AFAIK the most problematic mechanical part in current mount isn't the AF screwdriver but the aperture lever. 2010/11/1 Boris Liberman : > There is something that bothers me slightly. It is the mention of the fact > that all future DA lenses except DA Limiteds will not be driven by > screwdriver autofocus. It seems to make perfect sense as a prerequisite to > introduction of EVIL camera. The converter to KAF4 (?) mount would only have > to provide electric contacts and no mechanical coupling might be necessary. > Or the coupling could be minimal. > > Yet it is a bit unsettling for those who have lots of "legacy" glass... > > Boris > > On 11/1/2010 1:34 PM, paul stenquist wrote: >> >> Well done. Especially the time travel part, where you were able to leap >> ahead to November 29th! :-). >> Paul >> >> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:47 AM, Miserere wrote: >> >>> It's all here, if you're interested: >>> >>> >>> http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ >>> >>> The 645D? What a camera... Lovely viewfinder too. >>> >>> >>> --M. >>> -- >>> >>> \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com >>> >>> http://EnticingTheLight.com >>> A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13" Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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P N Stenquist wrote: What's the deal on the rebate? Is it a downloadable coupon? Paul I'm afraid it's only valid in certain European countries (namely UK, France, Germany, perhaps a few more). And not for Italy :-( Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I found a link to the rebate on the B&H site. It appears to be valid here. My camera arrives tomorrow. Paul On Nov 1, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: P N Stenquist wrote: What's the deal on the rebate? Is it a downloadable coupon? Paul I'm afraid it's only valid in certain European countries (namely UK, France, Germany, perhaps a few more). And not for Italy :-( Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Glad for that! Dario - Original Message - From: "P N Stenquist" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo I found a link to the rebate on the B&H site. It appears to be valid here. My camera arrives tomorrow. Paul On Nov 1, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: P N Stenquist wrote: What's the deal on the rebate? Is it a downloadable coupon? Paul I'm afraid it's only valid in certain European countries (namely UK, France, Germany, perhaps a few more). And not for Italy :-( Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 10.0.1153 / Database dei virus: 424/3230 - Data di rilascio: 31/10/2010 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we may focus manually. Carpe annulum! On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: > Boris Liberman wrote: > >> There is something that bothers me slightly. > > The future is a crystal ball with a lot of fog and little if anything to be > seen. I don't think Pentax knows the future, including their future moves > beyond the next year, hence worrying now fo possible choices five years from > now makes little sense. Use your current gear as long as it fits and move > away if/when it can no longer suit your needs. > > Dario > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Dario Bonazza wrote: >Boris Liberman wrote: > >> There is something that bothers me slightly. > >The future is a crystal ball with a lot of fog and little if anything to be >seen. I don't think Pentax knows the future, including their future moves >beyond the next year, hence worrying now fo possible choices five years from >now makes little sense. Use your current gear as long as it fits and move >away if/when it can no longer suit your needs. Being concerned about possible choices five years from now actually makes a great deal of sense for someone getting into a camera system and looking at potentially spending several thousand dollars over the course of those years. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think it will last longer than five years. I still have a functional *istD on the shelf behind me. At some point it would not surprise me if Pentax bodies stopped supporting screwdrive, which means you would be forced to MF. Of course, there are complaints about the aperture simulator being gone but I learned to shoot on an SP500 so I had to turn a meter switch on and adjust the controls. No different with a K or M lens on the K7. For an AF lens to stop AFing would be a more serious loss of functionality. Still, I bet the bodies will continue to support it for at least 5-10 years and then you could still use them in AF mode for the lifetime of those bodies. By that time, maybe someone will make a screwdrive adapter. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Dario Bonazza wrote: > >>Boris Liberman wrote: >> >>> There is something that bothers me slightly. >> >>The future is a crystal ball with a lot of fog and little if anything to be >>seen. I don't think Pentax knows the future, including their future moves >>beyond the next year, hence worrying now fo possible choices five years from >>now makes little sense. Use your current gear as long as it fits and move >>away if/when it can no longer suit your needs. > > Being concerned about possible choices five years from now actually > makes a great deal of sense for someone getting into a camera system > and looking at potentially spending several thousand dollars over the > course of those years. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Like computers, it's pretty hard to predict what may be antiquated in a few years. I haven't seen a floppy drive in years. I bought my first screw-mount lenses in the late 60's, confident that they would be around a long time. Then Pentax went to bayonet. I switched to Nikon, figuring at least they would keep the same mount. They didn't. Gaa! I fortunately didn't switch to Miranda, Konica, or Minolta. My concern about 4/3 is that it seems that only Olympus is currently sticking with it, but I suspect that they will soon go to m4/3 completely. WordStar dominated word processing in 1984, so that's what I bought. Gaa! Used it with a CPM card in my Apple IIe. Gaa! Switched to a PC and WordPerfect, the dominant word processor in the late 1980's. Gaa! Nothing is sacred. Evolution happens. Jeffery On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:03 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Dario Bonazza wrote: > >> Boris Liberman wrote: >> >>> There is something that bothers me slightly. >> >> The future is a crystal ball with a lot of fog and little if anything to be >> seen. I don't think Pentax knows the future, including their future moves >> beyond the next year, hence worrying now fo possible choices five years from >> now makes little sense. Use your current gear as long as it fits and move >> away if/when it can no longer suit your needs. > > Being concerned about possible choices five years from now actually > makes a great deal of sense for someone getting into a camera system > and looking at potentially spending several thousand dollars over the > course of those years. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1 November 2010 12:09, Boris Liberman wrote: > > Well, I respectfully disagree. As long as Limited lenses are produced > you're right. But they are not going to be produced forever. If, for > some reason, they are produced forever, then this whole branch of > discussion has no point, but I think it does have a point. > > No, not really (on both counts). Given longevity of my K10D and given > Paul's comment that few more generations of Pentax DSLRs will have the > screwdrive AF - it is not unreasonable to project that we'll have the > tools to shoot with for the next 5 years or may be even more. However, > Paul is also right pointing out that certain measures have to be taken > in order to make one forward compatible, in a manner of speaking. Boris, I'd say yes and no. I suppose we should take into account what *might* happen 5 years from now, but what's more important to me is what happens this Friday when I go shooting. If I need a DA lens for my subjects, then I'll buy it and use it; it would seem silly to me not to do so just because *maybe* in 5 years time that lens will become unusable on the new bodies. I don't look at my Photography equipment as an investment fund, but rather like a toolbox. Some tools last forever, others become obsolete and lose all value; nevertheless, these obsolete tools might have been indispensable to my trade for 99% of their working life. > I don't want new primes. My old primes are still pretty transparent > and shoot pretty damn good. In fact, I'd rather Pentax saw the > backward compatibility as a strength or offered a reasonable path out. > They seem to do neither having recently introduced the likes of > 100/2.8 Macro WR which is screwdriven AF. Nor do they offer anything > similar to FA limited lenses. Consider, Miserere, you have moderately > fast moderately wide, normal and portrait lenses. I don't care about > unique focal lengths or extra special build - I care about > photographer tools. If you want to buy a lens wider than 35 mm and > faster than 2.0 you have no options. If you want to buy a lens longer > than 70 mm and faster than 2.0 you have no options. Even if you want > to buy a normal lens (DA 55 being positioned specifically as FA 85/1.4 > replacement) - you have no options. It is either older scredriver AF > gear or third party lenses. Now, Pentax is known for their glass > making, not colorful plastic, so I don't like the conclusion I am > arriving at. No argument from me on that! I've been quite vocal (fingeral?) on many Pentax forums about the lack of fast primes in certain focal lengths; I am well aware that despite Pentax being known as a prime lens specialist, their range has some serious holes. But...I don't see a MILC as an evolution of the K-mount cameras but rather as a parallel entity, and as such, it requires independence from its K-mount brethren. It should be its own camera, and it should have new lenses that take advantage of the reduced registration distance (meaning they can be smaller, simpler and lighter) and the camera shouldn't be handicapped just for the sake of backwards compatibility with lenses from another line. I'm not saying that MILCs should overrun DSLRs; there should still be K-5s, K-3s and K-1s for those that need/want/prefer a DSLR, but for those of us who want the convenience and advantages of a MILC, the option should be there. > If Samsung is serious about it - they'll get there eventually. > Presently I looked at Panasonic GH2. it seems that now the offer the > trio of good lenses - 14/2.5, 20/1.7 and 45/2.8 macro. The sensor tech > seems to be up to date state of art, so - there you go... Samsung > keeps introducing new lenses as well, so your wishes are likely to be > answered before Pentax shows their product. Samsung is very serious about it, but I wonder for how long if the market doesn't respond like they hope it will. Panolympus will likely continue to evolve their micro-4/3 line, seeing as it's their current cash cow, and they've finally started to get some more primes into their stable, but I'm not too convinced by their camera bodies. It's all about taste and preference, and *I* like the Samsung NX10 camera a lot more. When I've saved up enough money to buy my next camera, I'll see what's available and make my choice; I would love for Pentax to have an option for me at that time. > It seems to me that I am approaching the dead end with my gear. Surely not! You will always be able to use your 50mm f/1.2 on a Pentax camera :-) --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts wrote: Dario Bonazza wrote: Boris Liberman wrote: There is something that bothers me slightly. The future is a crystal ball with a lot of fog and little if anything to be seen. I don't think Pentax knows the future, including their future moves beyond the next year, hence worrying now fo possible choices five years from now makes little sense. Use your current gear as long as it fits and move away if/when it can no longer suit your needs. Being concerned about possible choices five years from now actually makes a great deal of sense for someone getting into a camera system and looking at potentially spending several thousand dollars over the course of those years. I understand being concerned about the future in general and about the sustainability of the Pentax system in particular, but you cannot go into details. I truly don't understand how could one figure out a possible single move (such as stopping putting AF motor in camera, which camera, whether in all cameras or just entry-level models, and so on...), of which I'm rather sure Pentax itself hasn't decided yet. Even if they decide today, they could well change their minds five times within the next five years, as they did with other specific details in the past. Just think about the aperture control: lens ring, camera dial, lens ring again, camera dial again... and the mess they caused within the Pentax system, with newer cameras such as the MZ-5/3 and MZ-S being less compatible with FA-J than older cameras such as PZ/Z-series. Or think about the 645D: how many times they decided to go ahead/stop development/resume? And the market situation and trends change a lot faster nowadays than in the nineties... In a few words, predicting a single move now is like winning the lottery. Yes, someone succeeds. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Dario Bonazza wrote: > >> Boris Liberman wrote: >> >>> There is something that bothers me slightly. >> >> The future is a crystal ball with a lot of fog and little if anything to be >> seen. I don't think Pentax knows the future, including their future moves >> beyond the next year, hence worrying now fo possible choices five years from >> now makes little sense. Use your current gear as long as it fits and move >> away if/when it can no longer suit your needs. > > Being concerned about possible choices five years from now actually > makes a great deal of sense for someone getting into a camera system > and looking at potentially spending several thousand dollars over the > course of those years. > Yes, but if one is already invested in the system and using it productively, it doesn't make much sense to fret over what might happen. I know my cameras and lenses do everything I need to do right now and will continue to do so for at least the near future. So that's a good thing. Paul > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Many on this list want Pentax to produce a FF body. These would all be incompatible with the DA lenses. Apparently it might also be incompatible with the FA lenses, at least in terms of AF On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: > Reply interspersed. > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Miserere wrote: >> As long as there are Limited lenses, bodies will support screwdrive >> focus. Maybe Pentax will go the Nikon route and only offer screwdrive >> support in their upper tier bodies. > > Well, I respectfully disagree. As long as Limited lenses are produced > you're right. But they are not going to be produced forever. If, for > some reason, they are produced forever, then this whole branch of > discussion has no point, but I think it does have a point. > >> I don't think this should be a concern for us at the moment; it's a >> bit like not buying anything plastic because a plastic-eating bacteria >> might appear in the next few years :-) > > No, not really (on both counts). Given longevity of my K10D and given > Paul's comment that few more generations of Pentax DSLRs will have the > screwdrive AF - it is not unreasonable to project that we'll have the > tools to shoot with for the next 5 years or may be even more. However, > Paul is also right pointing out that certain measures have to be taken > in order to make one forward compatible, in a manner of speaking. > >> It makes a lot of sense to move away from screwdrive focus for new >> lenses that can fit it. Leica are the only ones who can make money by >> looking at the past, the rest of the companies have to look at the >> future. > > Well, if your marketing advantage is colorful bodies and colorful lens > barrels, then you're right. If you're catering for wider audience, the > equation may be not that linear. > >> I doubt a Pentax MILC would support screwdrive AF, and I don't care. I >> want new primes designed specifically for the MILC and an adapter >> offering auto stop down for K mount lenses (like Sony offer). > > I don't want new primes. My old primes are still pretty transparent > and shoot pretty damn good. In fact, I'd rather Pentax saw the > backward compatibility as a strength or offered a reasonable path out. > They seem to do neither having recently introduced the likes of > 100/2.8 Macro WR which is screwdriven AF. Nor do they offer anything > similar to FA limited lenses. Consider, Miserere, you have moderately > fast moderately wide, normal and portrait lenses. I don't care about > unique focal lengths or extra special build - I care about > photographer tools. If you want to buy a lens wider than 35 mm and > faster than 2.0 you have no options. If you want to buy a lens longer > than 70 mm and faster than 2.0 you have no options. Even if you want > to buy a normal lens (DA 55 being positioned specifically as FA 85/1.4 > replacement) - you have no options. It is either older scredriver AF > gear or third party lenses. Now, Pentax is known for their glass > making, not colorful plastic, so I don't like the conclusion I am > arriving at. > >> As for the me-too issue, I told Ned I would love a Pentax NX10--a >> Samsung NX10 with a Sony sensor and Pentax imaging pipeline. He just >> smiled at me :-) > > If Samsung is serious about it - they'll get there eventually. > Presently I looked at Panasonic GH2. it seems that now the offer the > trio of good lenses - 14/2.5, 20/1.7 and 45/2.8 macro. The sensor tech > seems to be up to date state of art, so - there you go... Samsung > keeps introducing new lenses as well, so your wishes are likely to be > answered before Pentax shows their product. > > It seems to me that I am approaching the dead end with my gear. > > Boris > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
On Oct 31, 2010, at 10:47 PM, Miserere wrote: > It's all here, if you're interested: > > http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ > > The 645D? What a camera... Lovely viewfinder too. Thanks for posting this. Pentax needs to sell cameras now. If Ned says that the price on the K-5 is going to drop $200 in a month, no one will buy one this month. When I started buying lenses for my K100 a couple years back, I didn't buy any lenses that wouldn't work with a 24x36 sensor because I was worried that a "full frame" camera would render them obsolete. Now, I buy the equipment that solves today's problem. The needle tracks up and down both of my arms spell out "fast primes", but my K-x will do better in low light with f/2.8 glass than my K100 did with f/1.8 glass, the K-5 better still. Pentax will get more low light benefit for their development dollar from Moore's law than they ever can hope to with fast primes. My guess is that they'll put their efforts into sharp zooms, possibly small, sharp zooms. The next generation of photographers may be buying cameras never having used a camera that hasn't had a zoom lens. It's what they'll expect, and what they'll look for when shopping. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
Larry, Put the FA31mm limited on a film camera body and shoot a roll of film. It will change how you feel about the 1.5x crop of today's sensors. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > On Oct 31, 2010, at 10:47 PM, Miserere wrote: > >> It's all here, if you're interested: >> >> http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ >> >> The 645D? What a camera... Lovely viewfinder too. > > Thanks for posting this. > > Pentax needs to sell cameras now. If Ned says that the price on the K-5 is > going to drop $200 in a month, no one will buy one this month. > > When I started buying lenses for my K100 a couple years back, I didn't buy > any lenses that wouldn't work with a 24x36 sensor because I was worried that > a "full frame" camera would render them obsolete. Now, I buy the equipment > that solves today's problem. > > The needle tracks up and down both of my arms spell out "fast primes", but my > K-x will do better in low light with f/2.8 glass than my K100 did with f/1.8 > glass, the K-5 better still. Pentax will get more low light benefit for their > development dollar from Moore's law than they ever can hope to with fast > primes. My guess is that they'll put their efforts into sharp zooms, > possibly small, sharp zooms. > > The next generation of photographers may be buying cameras never having used > a camera that hasn't had a zoom lens. It's what they'll expect, and what > they'll look for when shopping. > > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
On Nov 1, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Larry, Put the FA31mm limited on a film camera body and shoot a roll of film. It will change how you feel about the 1.5x crop of today's sensors. Regards, Bob S. Yes, it will reaffirm that the fov of any lens is indeed wider on 24 x 36 film than it is on a sensor of smaller dimensions. Other than that...not much. Paul On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Oct 31, 2010, at 10:47 PM, Miserere wrote: It's all here, if you're interested: http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ The 645D? What a camera... Lovely viewfinder too. Thanks for posting this. Pentax needs to sell cameras now. If Ned says that the price on the K-5 is going to drop $200 in a month, no one will buy one this month. When I started buying lenses for my K100 a couple years back, I didn't buy any lenses that wouldn't work with a 24x36 sensor because I was worried that a "full frame" camera would render them obsolete. Now, I buy the equipment that solves today's problem. The needle tracks up and down both of my arms spell out "fast primes", but my K-x will do better in low light with f/2.8 glass than my K100 did with f/1.8 glass, the K-5 better still. Pentax will get more low light benefit for their development dollar from Moore's law than they ever can hope to with fast primes. My guess is that they'll put their efforts into sharp zooms, possibly small, sharp zooms. The next generation of photographers may be buying cameras never having used a camera that hasn't had a zoom lens. It's what they'll expect, and what they'll look for when shopping. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
I'm not sure what you mean, aside from the obvious fact that it has a wider FOV. I had the DA14 and sold it. I'm not much of a wide angle guy, although i just bought a K28 3.5 as a normal. The crop factor is a non-issue for me. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: > Larry, > Put the FA31mm limited on a film camera body and shoot a roll of film. > It will change how you feel about the 1.5x crop of today's sensors. > Regards, Bob S. > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> On Oct 31, 2010, at 10:47 PM, Miserere wrote: >> >>> It's all here, if you're interested: >>> >>> http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ >>> >>> The 645D? What a camera... Lovely viewfinder too. >> >> Thanks for posting this. >> >> Pentax needs to sell cameras now. If Ned says that the price on the K-5 is >> going to drop $200 in a month, no one will buy one this month. >> >> When I started buying lenses for my K100 a couple years back, I didn't buy >> any lenses that wouldn't work with a 24x36 sensor because I was worried that >> a "full frame" camera would render them obsolete. Now, I buy the equipment >> that solves today's problem. >> >> The needle tracks up and down both of my arms spell out "fast primes", but >> my K-x will do better in low light with f/2.8 glass than my K100 did with >> f/1.8 glass, the K-5 better still. Pentax will get more low light benefit >> for their development dollar from Moore's law than they ever can hope to >> with fast primes. My guess is that they'll put their efforts into sharp >> zooms, possibly small, sharp zooms. >> >> The next generation of photographers may be buying cameras never having used >> a camera that hasn't had a zoom lens. It's what they'll expect, and what >> they'll look for when shopping. >> >> >> -- >> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
Paul, For me it means that all the old, sharp wide angle glass I own will deliver the FOV I thought it would when I first bought it. I understand the fact that the fov is indeed wider on 24 x 36 film. For me, the fact translates into wonderfully wider images. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:07 PM, P N Stenquist wrote: > > On Nov 1, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: > >> Larry, >> Put the FA31mm limited on a film camera body and shoot a roll of film. >> It will change how you feel about the 1.5x crop of today's sensors. >> Regards, Bob S. >> > Yes, it will reaffirm that the fov of any lens is indeed wider on 24 x 36 > film than it is on a sensor of smaller dimensions. Other than that...not > much. > Paul > >> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> >>> On Oct 31, 2010, at 10:47 PM, Miserere wrote: >>> It's all here, if you're interested: http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ The 645D? What a camera... Lovely viewfinder too. >>> >>> Thanks for posting this. >>> >>> Pentax needs to sell cameras now. If Ned says that the price on the K-5 >>> is going to drop $200 in a month, no one will buy one this month. >>> >>> When I started buying lenses for my K100 a couple years back, I didn't >>> buy any lenses that wouldn't work with a 24x36 sensor because I was worried >>> that a "full frame" camera would render them obsolete. Now, I buy the >>> equipment that solves today's problem. >>> >>> The needle tracks up and down both of my arms spell out "fast primes", >>> but my K-x will do better in low light with f/2.8 glass than my K100 did >>> with f/1.8 glass, the K-5 better still. Pentax will get more low light >>> benefit for their development dollar from Moore's law than they ever can >>> hope to with fast primes. My guess is that they'll put their efforts into >>> sharp zooms, possibly small, sharp zooms. >>> >>> The next generation of photographers may be buying cameras never having >>> used a camera that hasn't had a zoom lens. It's what they'll expect, and >>> what they'll look for when shopping. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I would bet that to the naked eye, there is no difference is resolution between a photo taken at 20mm with the DA* 16-50/2.8 and one taken with a full frame sensor at 31mm with the FA limited. I know from direct experience that the 16-50 is at least the equal of the FA 35/2, and in fact it appears to be noticeably sharper at f2.8 and f4. So wonderfully wider images are ours to enjoy. A number of Pentax photographers have said the DA 12-24/4 is at least the equal of the A 15/3.5, and it's only a bit longer. I believe a third-party manufacturer makes a rectilinear zoom for Pentax that is 10mm at the wide end as well. Full frame isn't necessary to achieve wide angle images. Paul On Nov 1, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Paul, For me it means that all the old, sharp wide angle glass I own will deliver the FOV I thought it would when I first bought it. I understand the fact that the fov is indeed wider on 24 x 36 film. For me, the fact translates into wonderfully wider images. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:07 PM, P N Stenquist wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Larry, Put the FA31mm limited on a film camera body and shoot a roll of film. It will change how you feel about the 1.5x crop of today's sensors. Regards, Bob S. Yes, it will reaffirm that the fov of any lens is indeed wider on 24 x 36 film than it is on a sensor of smaller dimensions. Other than that...not much. Paul On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Oct 31, 2010, at 10:47 PM, Miserere wrote: It's all here, if you're interested: http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ The 645D? What a camera... Lovely viewfinder too. Thanks for posting this. Pentax needs to sell cameras now. If Ned says that the price on the K-5 is going to drop $200 in a month, no one will buy one this month. When I started buying lenses for my K100 a couple years back, I didn't buy any lenses that wouldn't work with a 24x36 sensor because I was worried that a "full frame" camera would render them obsolete. Now, I buy the equipment that solves today's problem. The needle tracks up and down both of my arms spell out "fast primes", but my K-x will do better in low light with f/2.8 glass than my K100 did with f/1.8 glass, the K-5 better still. Pentax will get more low light benefit for their development dollar from Moore's law than they ever can hope to with fast primes. My guess is that they'll put their efforts into sharp zooms, possibly small, sharp zooms. The next generation of photographers may be buying cameras never having used a camera that hasn't had a zoom lens. It's what they'll expect, and what they'll look for when shopping. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
It's all about the lens' image circle and how much of it is captured by an APS-C sensor vs a 24x36mm film frame. Jack --- On Mon, 11/1/10, P N Stenquist wrote: > From: P N Stenquist > Subject: Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 12:07 PM > > On Nov 1, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: > > > Larry, > > Put the FA31mm limited on a film camera body and shoot > a roll of film. > > It will change how you feel about the 1.5x crop of > today's sensors. > > Regards, Bob S. > > > Yes, it will reaffirm that the fov of any lens is indeed > wider on 24 x 36 film than it is on a sensor of smaller > dimensions. Other than that...not much. > Paul > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Larry Colen > wrote: > >> > >> On Oct 31, 2010, at 10:47 PM, Miserere wrote: > >> > >>> It's all here, if you're interested: > >>> > >>> http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ > >>> > >>> The 645D? What a camera... Lovely viewfinder > too. > >> > >> Thanks for posting this. > >> > >> Pentax needs to sell cameras now. If Ned says that > the price on the K-5 is going to drop $200 in a month, no > one will buy one this month. > >> > >> When I started buying lenses for my K100 a couple > years back, I didn't buy any lenses that wouldn't work with > a 24x36 sensor because I was worried that a "full frame" > camera would render them obsolete. Now, I buy the equipment > that solves today's problem. > >> > >> The needle tracks up and down both of my arms > spell out "fast primes", but my K-x will do better in low > light with f/2.8 glass than my K100 did with f/1.8 glass, > the K-5 better still. Pentax will get more low light benefit > for their development dollar from Moore's law than they ever > can hope to with fast primes. My guess is that they'll > put their efforts into sharp zooms, possibly small, sharp > zooms. > >> > >> The next generation of photographers may be buying > cameras never having used a camera that hasn't had a zoom > lens. It's what they'll expect, and what they'll look for > when shopping. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com > sent from i4est > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the > link directly above and follow the directions. > >> > > > > --PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > > > --PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1 November 2010 15:01, Bob Sullivan wrote: > Larry, > Put the FA31mm limited on a film camera body and shoot a roll of film. > It will change how you feel about the 1.5x crop of today's sensors. > Regards, Bob S. You know Bob, I did just that, I put the 31 Ltd on my ME Super and all my photos came out in B&W! I'll never use that lens again on a film camera body, I'm sticking to using it on my K10D, where it gives me colour images. Fool me once! --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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lol. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Miserere wrote: > On 1 November 2010 15:01, Bob Sullivan wrote: >> Larry, >> Put the FA31mm limited on a film camera body and shoot a roll of film. >> It will change how you feel about the 1.5x crop of today's sensors. >> Regards, Bob S. > > You know Bob, I did just that, I put the 31 Ltd on my ME Super and all > my photos came out in B&W! I'll never use that lens again on a film > camera body, I'm sticking to using it on my K10D, where it gives me > colour images. > > Fool me once! > > > --M. > -- > > \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com > > http://EnticingTheLight.com > A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yes, certainly, but the crystal ball is still foggy, not just because companies sometimes expire or leave the camera business unexpectedly. Who would have guessed that Canon would leave owners of FD lenses stranded when it moved to EOS? Rick --- On Mon, 11/1/10, Mark Roberts wrote: > > Being concerned about possible choices five years from now > actually > makes a great deal of sense for someone getting into a > camera system > and looking at potentially spending several thousand > dollars over the > course of those years. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Many, if not most, if not all of us, bought the FF lenses we did, in part because it was the focal length we desired to work with. Yes we can go out and buy a new wider angle lens to replace what's been given up with the 1.5x crop. I've the 14mm/2.8. But in terms of overall desirability I find the 31/1.8 limited to be my favorite lens, by far, and I would like to use it digitally as a 31, not a 46. That's the point I believe Bob is making. Tom C On Nov 1, 2010 3:59 PM, "P N Stenquist" wrote: > I would bet that to the naked eye, there is no difference is > resolution between a photo taken at 20mm with the DA* 16-50/2.8 and > one taken with a full frame sensor at 31mm with the FA limited. I know > from direct experience that the 16-50 is at least the equal of the FA > 35/2, and in fact it appears to be noticeably sharper at f2.8 and f4. > So wonderfully wider images are ours to enjoy. A number of Pentax > photographers have said the DA 12-24/4 is at least the equal of the A > 15/3.5, and it's only a bit longer. I believe a third-party > manufacturer makes a rectilinear zoom for Pentax that is 10mm at the > wide end as well. Full frame isn't necessary to achieve wide angle > images. > Paul > On Nov 1, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: > >> Paul, >> For me it means that all the old, sharp wide angle glass I own will >> deliver the FOV I thought it would when I first bought it. I >> understand the fact that the fov is indeed wider on 24 x 36 film. For >> me, the fact translates into wonderfully wider images. >> Regards, Bob S. >> -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Miserere wrote: >Boris, I'd say yes and no. I suppose we should take into account what >*might* happen 5 years from now, but what's more important to me is >what happens this Friday when I go shooting. If I need a DA lens for >my subjects, then I'll buy it and use it; it would seem silly to me >not to do so just because *maybe* in 5 years time that lens will >become unusable on the new bodies. Personally, I don't think there's any chance that Pentax (top-end bodies, anyway) will lose screw-drive in 5 years. There's a significant number of FA* lenses like the 600/4.0, 250-600/5.6 and 300/2.8 out there. Not a lot, but a significant number. And their owners are long-time, money-spending Pentax users who Pentax is unlikely to want to piss off. Also, there are no SDM replacements for these lenses in sight at the moment. I think this is all hand-wringing over nothing. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I didn't mean to imply that this was not a legitimate position. I guess not having the 31 I can't appreciate how nice it was as a wide angle. Certainly there is no real alternative among the Pentax 28s. I wouldn't mind having it as a normal lens. I know "focal length is focal length" but I still like the way my 135 works in the DX format. I guess I'm adapting to the new role of these lenses. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Tom C wrote: > Many, if not most, if not all of us, bought the FF lenses we did, in > part because it was the focal length we desired to work with. Yes we > can go out and buy a new wider angle lens to replace what's been given > up with the 1.5x crop. I've the 14mm/2.8. > > But in terms of overall desirability I find the 31/1.8 limited to be > my favorite lens, by far, and I would like to use it digitally as a > 31, not a 46. > > That's the point I believe Bob is making. > > Tom C > > On Nov 1, 2010 3:59 PM, "P N Stenquist" wrote: >> I would bet that to the naked eye, there is no difference is >> resolution between a photo taken at 20mm with the DA* 16-50/2.8 and >> one taken with a full frame sensor at 31mm with the FA limited. I know >> from direct experience that the 16-50 is at least the equal of the FA >> 35/2, and in fact it appears to be noticeably sharper at f2.8 and f4. >> So wonderfully wider images are ours to enjoy. A number of Pentax >> photographers have said the DA 12-24/4 is at least the equal of the A >> 15/3.5, and it's only a bit longer. I believe a third-party >> manufacturer makes a rectilinear zoom for Pentax that is 10mm at the >> wide end as well. Full frame isn't necessary to achieve wide angle >> images. >> Paul >> On Nov 1, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: >> >>> Paul, >>> For me it means that all the old, sharp wide angle glass I own will >>> deliver the FOV I thought it would when I first bought it. I >>> understand the fact that the fov is indeed wider on 24 x 36 film. For >>> me, the fact translates into wonderfully wider images. >>> Regards, Bob S. >>> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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" I think this is all hand-wringing over nothing." But Mark, this is what we do best. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 1, 2010, at 16:43, Steven Desjardins wrote: > " I think this is all hand-wringing over nothing." > > But Mark, this is what we do best. > I personally am looking forward to playing with the new 35mm because right now the only lens I have in that range (prime) is an A-28/f2.8. Nice enough lens for the K7, but having something close to that range that also has autofocus would be desirable. And the COST is less than what I could expect to pay for an F-28/f2.8 -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tom C wrote: But in terms of overall desirability I find the 31/1.8 limited to be my favorite lens, by far, and I would like to use it digitally as a 31, not a 46. While I didn't buy the 31 Ltd for film, due to its FOV, and then I bought it for its FOV on DX sensors. Great minds think unlike, and small minds too ;-) Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:43 -0400, "Steven Desjardins" wrote: > " I think this is all hand-wringing over nothing." > > But Mark, this is what we do best. > Yes. If we stop worrying about all the mistakes that Pentax is making, the list is doomed Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Jeffery Smith Like computers, it's pretty hard to predict what may be antiquated in a few years. I haven't seen a floppy drive in years. If you need one to read old floppies they're now almost exclusively external USB devices, except that all I ever see is 3-1/2" drives. If you need 5-1/4 I don't know what you can do. With regard to will Pentax support screw-drive in the future, backwards compatibility with legacy lenses is one of Pentax's main talking points. They might abandon that, but I don't think they would do so heedlessly. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, there are no real development costs involved. The only expense would be the cost of the components and the space in the body. -Original Message- From: John Sessoms Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 23:01:21 To: Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo From: Jeffery Smith > Like computers, it's pretty hard to predict what may be antiquated in > a few years. I haven't seen a floppy drive in years. If you need one to read old floppies they're now almost exclusively external USB devices, except that all I ever see is 3-1/2" drives. If you need 5-1/4 I don't know what you can do. With regard to will Pentax support screw-drive in the future, backwards compatibility with legacy lenses is one of Pentax's main talking points. They might abandon that, but I don't think they would do so heedlessly. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Steven Desjardins Many on this list want Pentax to produce a FF body. These would all be incompatible with the DA lenses. Apparently it might also be incompatible with the FA lenses, at least in terms of AF That would suck! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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upon reflection, I doubt Pentax would do that casually, at least at first. -Original Message- From: John Sessoms Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 23:04:34 To: Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo From: Steven Desjardins > Many on this list want Pentax to produce a FF body. These would all > be incompatible with the DA lenses. Apparently it might also be > incompatible with the FA lenses, at least in terms of AF That would suck! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nobody thought we'd lose the aperture ring until I stumbled across the FAJ lens description on Pentax's site, (I don't remember how many years ago). On 11/1/2010 4:41 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Miserere wrote: Boris, I'd say yes and no. I suppose we should take into account what *might* happen 5 years from now, but what's more important to me is what happens this Friday when I go shooting. If I need a DA lens for my subjects, then I'll buy it and use it; it would seem silly to me not to do so just because *maybe* in 5 years time that lens will become unusable on the new bodies. Personally, I don't think there's any chance that Pentax (top-end bodies, anyway) will lose screw-drive in 5 years. There's a significant number of FA* lenses like the 600/4.0, 250-600/5.6 and 300/2.8 out there. Not a lot, but a significant number. And their owners are long-time, money-spending Pentax users who Pentax is unlikely to want to piss off. Also, there are no SDM replacements for these lenses in sight at the moment. I think this is all hand-wringing over nothing. -- "His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy." -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I thought Pentax Forums was best at that, I'm not really sure what we're best at. On 11/1/2010 4:43 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: " I think this is all hand-wringing over nothing." But Mark, this is what we do best. -- "His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy." -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1 November 2010 23:18, P. J. Alling wrote: > Nobody thought we'd lose the aperture ring until I stumbled across the FAJ > lens description on Pentax's site, (I don't remember how many years ago). So it was your fault! -- \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Pentax seems to be designing lenses for aps-sized sensors to the exclusion of full-sized sensors. Is aps big enough? I guess so. Jeffery On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:04 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: Steven Desjardins >> Many on this list want Pentax to produce a FF body. These would all >> be incompatible with the DA lenses. Apparently it might also be >> incompatible with the FA lenses, at least in terms of AF > > That would suck! > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/1/2010 1:15 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Like computers, it's pretty hard to predict what may be antiquated in a few years. I haven't seen a floppy drive in years. How many you want I just got a bag of 'em. I bought my first screw-mount lenses in the late 60's, confident that they would be around a long time. Then Pentax went to bayonet. I switched to Nikon, figuring at least they would keep the same mount. They didn't. Gaa! I fortunately didn't switch to Miranda, Konica, or Minolta. My concern about 4/3 is that it seems that only Olympus is currently sticking with it, but I suspect that they will soon go to m4/3 completely. WordStar dominated word processing in 1984, so that's what I bought. Gaa! Used it with a CPM card in my Apple IIe. Gaa! Switched to a PC and WordPerfect, the dominant word processor in the late 1980's. Gaa! Nothing is sacred. Evolution happens. Jeffery On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:03 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Dario Bonazza wrote: Boris Liberman wrote: There is something that bothers me slightly. The future is a crystal ball with a lot of fog and little if anything to be seen. I don't think Pentax knows the future, including their future moves beyond the next year, hence worrying now fo possible choices five years from now makes little sense. Use your current gear as long as it fits and move away if/when it can no longer suit your needs. Being concerned about possible choices five years from now actually makes a great deal of sense for someone getting into a camera system and looking at potentially spending several thousand dollars over the course of those years. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- "His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy." -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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We wring; they whine. -Original Message- From: "P. J. Alling" Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 22:20:08 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo I thought Pentax Forums was best at that, I'm not really sure what we're best at. On 11/1/2010 4:43 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > " I think this is all hand-wringing over nothing." > > But Mark, this is what we do best. > > -- "His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy." -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Personally, I think that Pentax backward compatibility is way overrated compared to what it truly is. On 11/1/2010 11:41 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Miserere wrote: Boris, I'd say yes and no. I suppose we should take into account what *might* happen 5 years from now, but what's more important to me is what happens this Friday when I go shooting. If I need a DA lens for my subjects, then I'll buy it and use it; it would seem silly to me not to do so just because *maybe* in 5 years time that lens will become unusable on the new bodies. Personally, I don't think there's any chance that Pentax (top-end bodies, anyway) will lose screw-drive in 5 years. There's a significant number of FA* lenses like the 600/4.0, 250-600/5.6 and 300/2.8 out there. Not a lot, but a significant number. And their owners are long-time, money-spending Pentax users who Pentax is unlikely to want to piss off. Also, there are no SDM replacements for these lenses in sight at the moment. I think this is all hand-wringing over nothing. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/1/2010 8:47 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Many on this list want Pentax to produce a FF body. These would all be incompatible with the DA lenses. Apparently it might also be incompatible with the FA lenses, at least in terms of AF Steven, it would seem that Pentax FF body is not going to happen in any foreseeable future. We have at least one honored list member who therefore bought into another system that has a FF body. I suppose they have figured that doing so was the best way to proceed at this moment. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Since you like me are wordy, my just as wordy reply interspersed :-). On 11/1/2010 8:22 PM, Miserere wrote: Boris, I'd say yes and no. I suppose we should take into account what *might* happen 5 years from now, but what's more important to me is what happens this Friday when I go shooting. If I need a DA lens for my subjects, then I'll buy it and use it; it would seem silly to me not to do so just because *maybe* in 5 years time that lens will become unusable on the new bodies. I don't look at my Photography equipment as an investment fund, but rather like a toolbox. Some tools last forever, others become obsolete and lose all value; nevertheless, these obsolete tools might have been indispensable to my trade for 99% of their working life. I agree with everything you say. It goes well in line with my observation that /presently/ my gear is just fine. It is a matter of taste and preference, but none of the DA lenses really inspire me. If it wasn't Galia's kit, I would have sold DA 21 long time ago, 'cause now I have FA 20/2.8 which to my taste and preference outdoes it square and fair. No argument from me on that! I've been quite vocal (fingeral?) on many Pentax forums about the lack of fast primes in certain focal lengths; I am well aware that despite Pentax being known as a prime lens specialist, their range has some serious holes. But...I don't see a MILC as an evolution of the K-mount cameras but rather as a parallel entity, and as such, it requires independence from its K-mount brethren. It should be its own camera, and it should have new lenses that take advantage of the reduced registration distance (meaning they can be smaller, simpler and lighter) and the camera shouldn't be handicapped just for the sake of backwards compatibility with lenses from another line. That's right. I mean, I agree with you again. In fact, if Pentax wants to really introduce entirely new mount - that would be the smartest way to go - have a parallel system and slowly phase out the old one. I'm not saying that MILCs should overrun DSLRs; there should still be K-5s, K-3s and K-1s for those that need/want/prefer a DSLR, but for those of us who want the convenience and advantages of a MILC, the option should be there. Well, in (m)43 world you have E-3/E-5 and Leica 25/1.4 that as I understand you can also mount of m43 cameras with adapter that will retain all the lens functions including AF. So, the co-existence may be even more peaceful. Samsung is very serious about it, but I wonder for how long if the market doesn't respond like they hope it will. Panolympus will likely continue to evolve their micro-4/3 line, seeing as it's their current cash cow, and they've finally started to get some more primes into their stable, but I'm not too convinced by their camera bodies. It's all about taste and preference, and *I* like the Samsung NX10 camera a lot more. When I've saved up enough money to buy my next camera, I'll see what's available and make my choice; I would love for Pentax to have an option for me at that time. Why Pentax? You yourself correctly or at least logically observed that MILC from Pentax should be independent from K-mount or parallel to it. So there is no /logical/ reason to stick with Pentax, isn't it? It seems to me that I am approaching the dead end with my gear. Surely not! You will always be able to use your 50mm f/1.2 on a Pentax camera :-) Now that I have Pentax MX, I surely will /keep/ it and A 50/1.2 indefinitely (hoping here that it will not be involved in the accident similar to that where my first FA 43 sustained inflicted damage). But fortunately I have an agreement with the potential buyer of most of my other gear. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/1/2010 8:03 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Dario Bonazza wrote: Boris Liberman wrote: There is something that bothers me slightly. The future is a crystal ball with a lot of fog and little if anything to be seen. I don't think Pentax knows the future, including their future moves beyond the next year, hence worrying now fo possible choices five years from now makes little sense. Use your current gear as long as it fits and move away if/when it can no longer suit your needs. Being concerned about possible choices five years from now actually makes a great deal of sense for someone getting into a camera system and looking at potentially spending several thousand dollars over the course of those years. Indeed. It seems that this is also true in case of someone getting out of a camera system and looking at potentially selling several thousand dollars worth of camera gear. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/1/2010 8:15 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Nothing is sacred. Evolution happens. Exactly. But it also means that one has to carefully think when to move along with the evolution - be it upgrade their computer or camera gear. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/1/2010 8:29 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Yes, but if one is already invested in the system and using it productively, it doesn't make much sense to fret over what might happen. I know my cameras and lenses do everything I need to do right now and will continue to do so for at least the near future. So that's a good thing. Paul Right. The difference between you, Paul, and me is that you /invest/ in your photo gear and it produces /returns/. I, on the other hand, /spend/ on my photo gear and it produces /no/ returns. That, by the way, is one of the reasons of my concern - to be able to recover as much of the money I /spent/ as possible so as to decide what to do next. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/1/2010 8:27 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: I understand being concerned about the future in general and about the sustainability of the Pentax system in particular, but you cannot go into details. I truly don't understand how could one figure out a possible single move (such as stopping putting AF motor in camera, which camera, whether in all cameras or just entry-level models, and so on...), of which I'm rather sure Pentax itself hasn't decided yet. Even if they decide today, they could well change their minds five times within the next five years, as they did with other specific details in the past. Just think about the aperture control: lens ring, camera dial, lens ring again, camera dial again... and the mess they caused within the Pentax system, with newer cameras such as the MZ-5/3 and MZ-S being less compatible with FA-J than older cameras such as PZ/Z-series. Or think about the 645D: how many times they decided to go ahead/stop development/resume? And the market situation and trends change a lot faster nowadays than in the nineties... In a few words, predicting a single move now is like winning the lottery. Yes, someone succeeds. Quite right, Dario. Predicting the future is lousy occupation... What you're saying is that trying to cross the ocean on the small boat is risky. As well, one might be better off paying the price of buying a ticket to the Atlantic cruise ship... It takes intelligence and effort to recognize certain changes that happen slowly over big periods of time so that it is also difficult to recognize the tendency. I am not sure I have sufficient intelligence to do so. But I am willing to spend the effort of discussing this with my friends (even if mostly virtual friends, unfortunately) in hope that they are willing to do the same. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/1/2010 6:41 PM, Thibouille wrote: Not so sure Boris, AFAIK the most problematic mechanical part in current mount isn't the AF screwdriver but the aperture lever. That is something I (personally) don't care about. To my luck, I had my share of problems with K and M lenses and presently I have no lenses that don't have KA contacts. For these lenses the missing aperture lever can safely continue to be so. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/1/2010 8:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: The needle tracks up and down both of my arms spell out "fast primes", but my K-x will do better in low light with f/2.8 glass than my K100 did with f/1.8 glass, the K-5 better still. /Pentax will get more low light benefit for their development dollar from Moore's law than they ever can hope to with fast primes./ My guess is that they'll put their efforts into sharp zooms, possibly small, sharp zooms. Italics is by me. One of the things that may follow from this statement is that Pentax may get more income by developing even slower lenses that moderately fast FA limiteds. This seems to be in line with the fact that all DA limited lenses are slower than F2.4. Again, to my personal taste and preference it means that Pentax is no longer attractive. And I openly and freely admit that I wasn't smart enough to realize this earlier. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/1/2010 10:30 PM, Miserere wrote: You know Bob, I did just that, I put the 31 Ltd on my ME Super and all my photos came out in B&W! I'll never use that lens again on a film camera body, I'm sticking to using it on my K10D, where it gives me colour images. Fool me once! --M. Gee, K10D... Man, how /old/ are you? :-) Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Boris Liberman wrote: Quite right, Dario. Predicting the future is lousy occupation... What you're saying is that trying to cross the ocean on the small boat is risky. As well, one might be better off paying the price of buying a ticket to the Atlantic cruise ship... As a general rule, I agree (but beware of the Titanic). It takes intelligence and effort to recognize certain changes that happen slowly over big periods of time so that it is also difficult to recognize the tendency. I am not sure I have sufficient intelligence to do so. But I am willing to spend the effort of discussing this with my friends (even if mostly virtual friends, unfortunately) in hope that they are willing to do the same. Sure. I was only wondering how can we: 1 - Discuss seriously a single step someone hypotesize will happen five years from now, and then: 2 - Decide a camera system strategy based on the agreement (or lack thereof) about that possible change. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/2/2010 9:07 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Boris Liberman wrote: Sure. I was only wondering how can we: 1 - Discuss seriously a single step someone hypotesize will happen five years from now, and then: 2 - Decide a camera system strategy based on the agreement (or lack thereof) about that possible change. Right, but: 1. We have the previous history of how Pentax developed its gear, including most resent one after it merged with Hoya. 2. We have an indication of what is about to happen in the nearest future (as outlined by Miserere digest of his conversation with Ned Bunnell). This would seem to be a reasonably solid data. There is no need to hypothesize as to what will happen in so many years from now. But we can consider the information we do have. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 11:26:47PM -0400, Miserere wrote: > On 1 November 2010 23:18, P. J. Alling wrote: > > Nobody thought we'd lose the aperture ring until I stumbled across the FAJ > > lens description on Pentax's site, (I don't remember how many years ago). > He's wrong, anyway. There was speculation about the aperture ring disappearing pretty much as soon as the PZ series bodies showed up with thumbwheel aperture selection. Then the MZ-S came along, which reverted to the more traditional controls. It was suggested that there were alternating design teams at Pentax; one that favoured the PZ-style control layout, and one that liked the MZ style. As we now know, the MZ-style digital body never made it to market, and so the *ist-D, with PZ-style controls, set the direction for the Pentax DSLRs. At that point it was a foregone conclusion that lenses without aperture rings would show up eventually; the *ist-D had already shown that Pentax were prepared to drop some backwards compatibility. The expectation was that this would first show up on cheaper lenses (such as the kit lenses), but there were predictions that Pentax would eventually drop all of the mechanical lens/body connections, and go with a completely electronic interface much as Canon had done with the EOS. That still hasn't happened; we've still got mechanical aperture coupling (albeit unidirectional) for now. In any case, I reckon Pentax are pretty good as far as compatibility goes. We haven't yet seen a body that drops support for the A-series lenses, although it's almost 20 years since the FA lens family first showed up. I'm sure we'll see such a body eventually, but history suggests that any current lens purchases will be fully usable for the next two decades. New lenses on older bodies aren't quite as good for compatibility; not all of the current lenses are fully compatible with the *ist-D bodies (which can't focus those few lenses lacking a screwdriver coupling) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/2/2010 9:14 AM, John Francis wrote: In any case, I reckon Pentax are pretty good as far as compatibility goes. We haven't yet seen a body that drops support for the A-series lenses, although it's almost 20 years since the FA lens family first showed up. I'm sure we'll see such a body eventually, but history suggests that any current lens purchases will be fully usable for the next two decades. New lenses on older bodies aren't quite as good for compatibility; not all of the current lenses are fully compatible with the *ist-D bodies (which can't focus those few lenses lacking a screwdriver coupling) Right. I wouldn't call it a mess, but it is, how to put it - complicated. Consider this: I have MX, ZX-L (MZ-6), K10D and K-7. My lenses are (from wide to tele): 1. FAJ 18-35 - won't work on MX, will work on MZ-6 with limitations, will work on other two bodies. 2. FA 20/2.8 - will work on all. 3. DA 21/3.2 - won't work on MX, not recommended on ZX-L, will work on other two bodies. 4. FA 31, FA 43, A 50/1.2, FA 50/1.4, FA 77, FA 100/3.5 macro - will work on all bodies. 5. Tamron 28-75/2.8 - will work on all bodies 6. Sigma 24-60 (with focus shift) - won't work on MX, will work on ZX-L and K10D but it is not recommended as the known focus shift may render AF unusable. Will work on K-7. It is not bad, but it could have been better... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 2, 2010, at 1:11 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > I love the caption on that shot at the top. "Chris Pound explains how > much he likes the 645D while, in the background, Ned Bunnell indicates > how many grand it will cost." I think it's one of the best captions I've ever seen. :) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: > On 11/1/2010 8:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> The needle tracks up and down both of my arms spell out "fast >> primes", but my K-x will do better in low light with f/2.8 glass than >> my K100 did with f/1.8 glass, the K-5 better still. /Pentax will get >> more low light benefit for their development dollar from Moore's law >> than they ever can hope to with fast primes./ My guess is that >> they'll put their efforts into sharp zooms, possibly small, sharp >> zooms. > > Italics is by me. One of the things that may follow from this statement is > that Pentax may get more income by developing even slower lenses that > moderately fast FA limiteds. This seems to be in line with the fact that all > DA limited lenses are slower than F2.4. > > Again, to my personal taste and preference it means that Pentax is no longer > attractive. > > And I openly and freely admit that I wasn't smart enough to realize this > earlier. You have a camera body you like and lenses you like which work with it. At some point, it may be worth your while to see if there are lenses that you can't live without, and what body would make the best use of them. If you're lucky, you won't need to sell your Pentax gear that will still work perfectly fine, to get them. > > Boris > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/2/2010 10:43 AM, Larry Colen wrote: You have a camera body you like and lenses you like which work with it. At some point, it may be worth your while to see if there are lenses that you can't live without, and what body would make the best use of them. If you're lucky, you won't need to sell your Pentax gear that will still work perfectly fine, to get them. That's most practical advise, Larry. Thank you. Reply with some less public details is coming your way off the list. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/11/1 Boris Liberman : > > Paul, without intent to sound provocative here, but Nikon D7000 > appears to move in the opposite direction - it offers compatibility > with non CPU'ed lenses by having mechanical aperture coupling. This > kind of introduction would make even less sense economically, but it > did happen. You're right - there is no immediate problem. Just yet. I can't hear you. LA LA LALA LAAA *fingers in ears* -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:37 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: > > But fortunately I have an agreement with the potential buyer of most of my > other gear. Wow! How big of a weekly allowance do you give her? > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Larry, here is where you totally loose me... On 11/2/2010 11:09 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:37 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: But fortunately I have an agreement with the potential buyer of most of my other gear. Wow! How big of a weekly allowance do you give her? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 2, 2010, at 2:11 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > Larry, here is where you totally loose me... > > On 11/2/2010 11:09 AM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:37 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: >>> >>> But fortunately I have an agreement with the potential buyer of most of my >>> other gear. >> >> Wow! How big of a weekly allowance do you give her? You must give Galia a mighty big allowance every week if she can afford to buy out the rest of your Pentax gear. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I realized that, but unlike you being jocular, I was being serious *friendly smile*. Boris On 11/2/2010 11:40 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Nov 2, 2010, at 2:11 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Larry, here is where you totally loose me... On 11/2/2010 11:09 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:37 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: But fortunately I have an agreement with the potential buyer of most of my other gear. Wow! How big of a weekly allowance do you give her? You must give Galia a mighty big allowance every week if she can afford to buy out the rest of your Pentax gear. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Given the investment in the 645D, I doubt that we'll see a 24x36 sensor DSLR from Pentax. They already have two lines of lenses and bodies, including what seems to be a potential top contender for the pro market.. And they are both "full frame." Neither comes with half a sensor. Paul On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:08 PM, drd1...@gmail.com wrote: > upon reflection, I doubt Pentax would do that casually, at least at first. > -Original Message- > From: John Sessoms > Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net > Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 23:04:34 > To: > Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo > > From: Steven Desjardins >> Many on this list want Pentax to produce a FF body. These would all >> be incompatible with the DA lenses. Apparently it might also be >> incompatible with the FA lenses, at least in terms of AF > > That would suck! > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 2, 2010, at 2:51 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > On 11/1/2010 8:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> The needle tracks up and down both of my arms spell out "fast >> primes", but my K-x will do better in low light with f/2.8 glass than >> my K100 did with f/1.8 glass, the K-5 better still. /Pentax will get >> more low light benefit for their development dollar from Moore's law >> than they ever can hope to with fast primes./ My guess is that >> they'll put their efforts into sharp zooms, possibly small, sharp >> zooms. > > Italics is by me. One of the things that may follow from this statement is > that Pentax may get more income by developing even slower lenses that > moderately fast FA limiteds. This seems to be in line with the fact that all > DA limited lenses are slower than F2.4. Why would Pentax even consider developing more FA limiteds? They're not optimized for the APS-C image circle. They were designed for cameras that are no longer being produced. I expect Pentax will develop more fast primes, like the DA 77 limited for example, but they'll be for APS-C image circle. And Pentax has produced fast zooms that are for all practical purposes the equal of the older primes. Yes, a 1.9 aperture offers advantages over a 2.8, but they're minimal. Paul > > Again, to my personal taste and preference it means that Pentax is no longer > attractive. > > And I openly and freely admit that I wasn't smart enough to realize this > earlier. > > Boris > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/2/2010 12:31 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Why would Pentax even consider developing more FA limiteds? They're not optimized for the APS-C image circle. They were designed for cameras that are no longer being produced. I expect Pentax will develop more fast primes, like the DA 77 limited for example, but they'll be for APS-C image circle. And Pentax has produced fast zooms that are for all practical purposes the equal of the older primes. Yes, a 1.9 aperture offers advantages over a 2.8, but they're minimal. Paul I agree with your analysis/opinion, Paul, with one exception that I don't expect Pentax to produce fast primes. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/2/2010 12:09 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Given the investment in the 645D, I doubt that we'll see a 24x36 sensor DSLR from Pentax. They already have two lines of lenses and bodies, including what seems to be a potential top contender for the pro market.. And they are both "full frame." Neither comes with half a sensor. Paul Right, what you say is both logical and consistent with previous events... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul Stenquist wrote: Given the investment in the 645D, I doubt that we'll see a 24x36 sensor DSLR from Pentax. They already have two lines of lenses and bodies, including what seems to be a potential top contender for the pro market.. And a CSC (EVIL or not) will require another line of lenses. That will have priority over a possible 24x36 system. However, I admit I would consider buying a Pentax 24x36 DSLR, while I don't think about the 645D as a possible target of mine. And they are both "full frame." Neither comes with half a sensor. Mark! Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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paul stenquist wrote: >Given the investment in the 645D, I doubt that we'll see a 24x36 sensor DSLR >from Pentax. They already have two lines of lenses and bodies, including >what seems to be a potential top contender for the pro market.. The "extra lens line for APS-C" is way overestimated. Only the shorter focal lengths need be made in special versions for full-frame and APS-C. Which I believe Pentax will have to do anyway. I don't see a future for APS-C digital in SLRs. I think they'll all be mirrorless ILC/EVIL before too long. I'd be interested in a good APS-C format mirrorless camera. I have no plans to buy another APS-C DSLR. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Right. I'm just saying this is another route to incompatible lenses than many members actually want. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 2:26 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > On 11/1/2010 8:47 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: >> >> Many on this list want Pentax to produce a FF body. These would all >> be incompatible with the DA lenses. Apparently it might also be >> incompatible with the FA lenses, at least in terms of AF > > Steven, it would seem that Pentax FF body is not going to happen in any > foreseeable future. > > We have at least one honored list member who therefore bought into another > system that has a FF body. I suppose they have figured that doing so was the > best way to proceed at this moment. > > Boris > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, if the future FF body (just assuming for a moment that it might happen some day) can simply mask out the unused part of image circle if you mount a DA lens, then part of the problem is solved. It seems Nikon is doing similar thing. Boris On 11/2/2010 1:54 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Right. I'm just saying this is another route to incompatible lenses than many members actually want. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 2:26 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 11/1/2010 8:47 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Many on this list want Pentax to produce a FF body. These would all be incompatible with the DA lenses. Apparently it might also be incompatible with the FA lenses, at least in terms of AF Steven, it would seem that Pentax FF body is not going to happen in any foreseeable future. We have at least one honored list member who therefore bought into another system that has a FF body. I suppose they have figured that doing so was the best way to proceed at this moment. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2 November 2010 23:00, Boris Liberman wrote: > Well, if the future FF body (just assuming for a moment that it might happen > some day) can simply mask out the unused part of image circle if you mount a > DA lens, then part of the problem is solved. It seems Nikon is doing similar > thing. Boris, Nikon know nothing, heck they don't even have an MF digital! Cheers, -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/2/2010 2:07 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: Boris, Nikon know nothing, heck they don't even have an MF digital! Cheers, Well, I think some kind of smiley and/or emoticon would be in order here... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2 November 2010 23:11, Boris Liberman wrote: > On 11/2/2010 2:07 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: >> >> Boris, >> >> Nikon know nothing, heck they don't even have an MF digital! >> >> Cheers, > > Well, I think some kind of smiley and/or emoticon would be in order here... It was implied, one post post for good measure, ;-) -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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>On 2 November 2010 23:00, Boris Liberman wrote: >> Well, if the future FF body (just assuming for a moment that it might happen >> some day) can simply mask out the unused part of image circle if you mount a >> DA lens, then part of the problem is solved. It seems Nikon is doing similar >> thing. > >Boris, > >Nikon know nothing, heck they don't even have an MF digital! > And they never will. No upgrade path for the more advanced users .-) DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/11/2 Rob Studdert : > > Nikon know nothing, heck they don't even have an MF digital! couldn't be - Kennyboy after all shoots Nikon's pro model, the D40... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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>Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> Given the investment in the 645D, I doubt that we'll see a 24x36 sensor >> DSLR from Pentax. They already have two lines of lenses and bodies, >> including what seems to be a potential top contender for the pro market.. > >And a CSC (EVIL or not) will require another line of lenses. That will have >priority over a possible 24x36 system. >However, I admit I would consider buying a Pentax 24x36 DSLR, while I don't >think about the 645D as a possible target of mine. I don't think I would. If the K-5 is good at High ISO and the AF is improved over K20D I can't see the reason why I would need it. The combination of ISO6400 and SR is more than enough for my use. I've made a 60x90cm print from of a K20D picture (the same that was in the Chicago exhibition) so resolution is good enough (for me). The only difference would be in stop difference in DOF, but it's not worth the extra cost or size. I would like to see a DA*24 2.0 and a DA*35 1.4 to match the DA*55. They would be expensive, but not as expensive as a new camera system. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: > While I didn't buy the 31 Ltd for film, due to its FOV, and then I bought it > for its FOV on DX sensors. > Great minds think unlike, and small minds too ;-) > > Dario I bought my 77 Ltd because it was shiny. Dave > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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David J Brooks wrote: On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: While I didn't buy the 31 Ltd for film, due to its FOV, and then I bought it for its FOV on DX sensors. Great minds think unlike, and small minds too ;-) Dario I bought my 77 Ltd because it was shiny. I bought my (black) 77 Ltd when I could find one which wasn't shiny ;-) Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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DagT wrote: Dario Bonazza wrote: And a CSC (EVIL or not) will require another line of lenses. That will have priority over a possible 24x36 system. However, I admit I would consider buying a Pentax 24x36 DSLR, while I don't think about the 645D as a possible target of mine. I don't think I would. If the K-5 is good at High ISO and the AF is improved over K20D I can't see the reason why I would need it. > The combination of ISO6400 and SR is more than enough for my use. I've made a 60x90cm print from of a K20D picture (the same that was in the Chicago exhibition) so resolution is good enough (for me). The only difference would be in stop difference in DOF, but it's not worth the extra cost or size. I would like to see a DA*24 2.0 and a DA*35 1.4 to match the DA*55. They would be expensive, but not as expensive as a new camera system. I fully agree, as I've spent hours and hours supporting that point of view here and elsewhere. I strongly believe that 99% of the photographers have no real need to go beyond APS-C, and the new-generation APS-C sensors will raise that percentage even more, but... there are a few exceptions when dealing with specific applications such as shooting moving subjects in very dim light. Last year I've lost a job opportunity after my ballet pics (shot with K20D @3200/6400) were compared to those taken with a Nikon D3s and a D700. The customers agreed my pics were better varied and pleasant from the artistic point of view, but not all of them allowed large prints (a critical issue), while the shots of the Nikon guys were "good enough" and allowed larger prints on a more consistent basis :-( Now the K-5 is approaching that performance, but A D700-like Pentax would establish full balance. So I could consider buying such a camera (or its equivalent based on the technology of that era) if/when it will be introduced (never, afaik) and adding a m43 system for minor accomplishments/leisure. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
True enough. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > Well, if the future FF body (just assuming for a moment that it might happen > some day) can simply mask out the unused part of image circle if you mount a > DA lens, then part of the problem is solved. It seems Nikon is doing similar > thing. > > Boris > > On 11/2/2010 1:54 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: >> >> Right. I'm just saying this is another route to incompatible lenses >> than many members actually want. >> >> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 2:26 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: >>> >>> On 11/1/2010 8:47 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Many on this list want Pentax to produce a FF body. These would all be incompatible with the DA lenses. Apparently it might also be incompatible with the FA lenses, at least in terms of AF >>> >>> Steven, it would seem that Pentax FF body is not going to happen in any >>> foreseeable future. >>> >>> We have at least one honored list member who therefore bought into >>> another >>> system that has a FF body. I suppose they have figured that doing so was >>> the >>> best way to proceed at this moment. >>> >>> Boris >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
And we wonder why camera companies have problems. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: > David J Brooks wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Dario Bonazza >> wrote: >> >>> While I didn't buy the 31 Ltd for film, due to its FOV, and then I bought >>> it >>> for its FOV on DX sensors. >>> Great minds think unlike, and small minds too ;-) >>> >>> Dario >> >> I bought my 77 Ltd because it was shiny. > > I bought my (black) 77 Ltd when I could find one which wasn't shiny ;-) > > Dario > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
I don't know much about FF/FX/24x36/whatever we want to call them/ bodies offered by others. Can anyone estimate how much it would cost if Pentax simply stuck a bigger sensor in a K5-like body? $2500? I think the problem they have is that going after the Canikon folks in their home court is a tricky business. You won't sell many, so it can't cost you much. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: > DagT wrote: > >> Dario Bonazza wrote: >> >>> And a CSC (EVIL or not) will require another line of lenses. That will >>> have >>> priority over a possible 24x36 system. >>> However, I admit I would consider buying a Pentax 24x36 DSLR, while I >>> don't >>> think about the 645D as a possible target of mine. >> >> I don't think I would. If the K-5 is good at High ISO and the AF is >> improved over K20D I can't see the reason why I would need it. > The >> combination of ISO6400 and SR is more than enough for my use. >> I've made a 60x90cm print from of a K20D picture (the same that was in the >> Chicago exhibition) so resolution is good enough >> (for me). The only difference would be in stop difference in DOF, but it's >> not worth the extra cost or size. >> I would like to see a DA*24 2.0 and a DA*35 1.4 to match the DA*55. They >> would be expensive, but not as expensive as a new camera system. > > I fully agree, as I've spent hours and hours supporting that point of view > here and elsewhere. I strongly believe that 99% of the photographers have no > real need to go beyond APS-C, and the new-generation APS-C sensors will > raise that percentage even more, but... there are a few exceptions when > dealing with specific applications such as shooting moving subjects in very > dim light. Last year I've lost a job opportunity after my ballet pics (shot > with K20D @3200/6400) were compared to those taken with a Nikon D3s and a > D700. The customers agreed my pics were better varied and pleasant from the > artistic point of view, but not all of them allowed large prints (a critical > issue), while the shots of the Nikon guys were "good enough" and allowed > larger prints on a more consistent basis :-( > Now the K-5 is approaching that performance, but A D700-like Pentax would > establish full balance. So I could consider buying such a camera (or its > equivalent based on the technology of that era) if/when it will be > introduced (never, afaik) and adding a m43 system for minor > accomplishments/leisure. > > Dario > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
Steven Desjardins wrote: I don't know much about FF/FX/24x36/whatever we want to call them/ bodies offered by others. Can anyone estimate how much it would cost if Pentax simply stuck a bigger sensor in a K5-like body? $2500? I think the problem they have is that going after the Canikon folks in their home court is a tricky business. You won't sell many, so it can't cost you much. I'm not sure it's feasible that simply, due to some mechanics designed for APS-C. Then, the Sony A900/850 was considered dirt-cheap and it was in the $3000 realm, then it doesn't sell well and there were even rumors that Sony is going to drop their 24x36 DSLR line and the sensor manufacturing as well. No idea if there is any truth in that. I'm afraid such a Pentax won't sell well enough to keep it worth doing. And then we are going to call Pentax bad names for putting such a camera on the market without a full range of lenses... It's a difficult world. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
Den 2. nov. 2010 kl. 16.28 skrev Dario Bonazza: > I'm not sure it's feasible that simply, due to some mechanics designed for > APS-C. Then, the Sony A900/850 was considered dirt-cheap and it was in the > $3000 realm, then it doesn't sell well and there were even rumors that Sony > is going to drop their 24x36 DSLR line and the sensor manufacturing as well. > No idea if there is any truth in that. > I'm afraid such a Pentax won't sell well enough to keep it worth doing. And > then we are going to call Pentax bad names for putting such a camera on the > market without a full range of lenses... > It's a difficult world. > > Dario If the APS-format is so hopeless and the 645D goes well they may just as well leave the smaller formats completely .-) DagT http://www.thrane.name -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo
Oh Boy. The 645x in pink and green! On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:33 PM, DagT wrote: > Den 2. nov. 2010 kl. 16.28 skrev Dario Bonazza: > >> I'm not sure it's feasible that simply, due to some mechanics designed for >> APS-C. Then, the Sony A900/850 was considered dirt-cheap and it was in the >> $3000 realm, then it doesn't sell well and there were even rumors that Sony >> is going to drop their 24x36 DSLR line and the sensor manufacturing as well. >> No idea if there is any truth in that. >> I'm afraid such a Pentax won't sell well enough to keep it worth doing. And >> then we are going to call Pentax bad names for putting such a camera on the >> market without a full range of lenses... >> It's a difficult world. >> >> Dario > > If the APS-format is so hopeless and the 645D goes well they may just as well > leave the smaller formats completely .-) > > DagT > http://www.thrane.name > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
