Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
I tested a few google searches and failed to find the current flac test. Eg bbc iplayer r3 flac. It links with the previous one, with no link to current one. bbc iplayer r3 flac does not bring up the link in the first Google page. What is BBC doing with its test website? Does it want it buried? I did complete the questionnaire, of which the question on How do you listen, missed out on the most satisfying way of listening to the flac stream, on my Hifi. SB3, CA DacMagic, Talk Electronic stereo. LMS 7.9.1 BBCiPlayer plugin 1.5.4.4 Patricia P's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30580 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Owen Smith wrote: > I think people playing Radio 3 with VLC and ffmpeg constitute such a > tiny fraction of listeners as to be irrelevant. Sadly the same probably > goes for LMS these days, I suspect there aren't enough of us to make an > impact. And none of the other hardware internet radio suppliers got > their act together in time, which sadly isn't a surprise. Since release of latest 1.5.4.4 on 4-June-2017 whose main role is Flac - there have been about 850 downloads - many of these will be re-installs/failed installs so I think probably 200-300 real users. > What matters is people playing with web browsers, and much more > importantly iPlayer Radio app on various platforms. But I believe > iPlayer Radio doesn't support Dash Flac, so this is a very early trial > of the infrastructure in a situation where they know they're not going > to be swamped with more listeners than they can cope with. But that > raises the question of how they can possibly judge the appeal of > lossless Radio 3 with such a small subset of the listeners. I suspect BBC had same issues about FM radio - not many had the equipment to listen when broadcasts started, range was worse than AM (poor rural coverage) - so why did BBC implement it ?. The BBC's mandate is usually wider than a commerical station and covers the issues of improving quality etc. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > To encourage BBC to do more Flac broadcasts - don't forget to rate it on > BBC's website and answer the few questions. > http://www.bbc.co.uk/taster/projects/radio-3-concert-sound2 Just to add that this is an extra survey, relating to this period of use. So if you completed the previous survey in the Spring, it still helps to do this current one. Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > The pilot in Mar/April could only really be played in Firefox. Now in > addition to browser there are version of vlc, ffmpeg as well as LMS that > can play Dash/Flac. BBC should also be able to determine the number of > individuals who have listened using Dash Flac. I think people playing Radio 3 with VLC and ffmpeg constitute such a tiny fraction of listeners as to be irrelevant. Sadly the same probably goes for LMS these days, I suspect there aren't enough of us to make an impact. And none of the other hardware internet radio suppliers got their act together in time, which sadly isn't a surprise. What matters is people playing with web browsers, and much more importantly iPlayer Radio app on various platforms. But I believe iPlayer Radio doesn't support Dash Flac, so this is a very early trial of the infrastructure in a situation where they know they're not going to be swamped with more listeners than they can cope with. But that raises the question of how they can possibly judge the appeal of lossless Radio 3 with such a small subset of the listeners. Owen Smith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
JohnB wrote: > Yes, PLEASE do that. It is alarming that there are only 1021 ratings so > far. I fear that with ratings at that level the BBC might well think it > isn't worth progressing with FLAC. > > The 320kbps AAC-LC was first introduced as a pilot on Radio 3 during the > Proms in 2010 (I think I have got the year right) so this just might be > a precursor to FLAC being more widely streamed, providing the BBC can > overcome any rights issues and providing there is enough demand for it. I think the number is lowish but service is v. highly rated by most - Dr. Who game has about 3.5k but only 1 star compared to Concert Sound 1.2k but a rating of about 4.5stars. Binaural has only 135 ratings. I don't think rights issue is a problem given that BBC is broadcasting all of Radio 3 in flac for 2 months. I think the issue is longer term is additional cost and required bandwidth and is there enough users enabled and wanting to listen to a flac stream. The pilot in Mar/April could only really be played in Firefox. Now in addition to browser there are version of vlc, ffmpeg as well as LMS that can play Dash/Flac. BBC should also be able to determine the number of individuals who have listened using Dash Flac. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > To encourage BBC to do more Flac broadcasts - don't forget to rate it on > BBC's website and answer the few questions. > http://www.bbc.co.uk/taster/projects/radio-3-concert-sound2 Yes, PLEASE do that. It is alarming that there are only 1021 ratings so far. I fear that with ratings at that level the BBC might well think it isn't worth progressing with FLAC. The 320kbps AAC-LC was first introduced as a pilot on Radio 3 during the Proms in 2010 (I think I have got the year right) so this just might be a precursor to FLAC being more widely streamed, providing the BBC can overcome any rights issues and providing there is enough demand for it. Touch, Meridian G92, Meridian G55, PMC OB1i speakers, HP Proliant Microserver/Ubuntu, PC/Windows 7, iPad 4, iPeng, Squeezepad. JohnB's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Patricia P wrote: > I lovie the flac BBC stream. I use Windows 8.1 and the streaming sounds > wonderful on the amplifier and sub. Thank you bpa for keeping the SB > ahead of the game! To encourage BBC to do more Flac broadcasts - don't forget to rate it on BBC's website and answer the few questions. http://www.bbc.co.uk/taster/projects/radio-3-concert-sound2 bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
I lovie the flac BBC stream. I use Windows 8.1 and the streaming sounds wonderful on the amplifier and sub. Thank you bpa for keeping the SB ahead of the game! SB3, CA DacMagic, Talk Electronic stereo. LMS 7.9.1 BBCiPlayer plugin 1.5.4.4 Patricia P's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30580 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
PasTim wrote: > It's good to know there is a reason behind such things. It is, of > course, no problem - I'm sure we all much prefer solid sound to the pips > being accurate! I may have been setting the value too high because at the time I had problems with home network and it may have been partial causes of rebuffering. I have set guard to 2 segments (2*3.84 = 7.6 secs) and it seems stable on a Linux system. I have also just been testing Firefox Flac against Plugin Flac, Plugin Binaural and direct MP3 The Firefox Flac and Plugin Flac are now about 6-10 secs apart Firefox Flac is about 1:30 behind Binaural and MP3. Still need to do a Windows setup. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > Just checked the code in more detail and I found because of rebuffering > and possibly limited testing, I put in a special "safety" factor to > start Flac stream 50 segments older - 50*3.84 secs = 192 secs which is > just over 3 minutes. > > When comparing segment numbers of Firefox and Plugin - I must have > convinced myself they were closers than reaility. > > However, if I reduce this "guard" to zero - I get occasional rebuffering > when segments take longer than 5 secs to arrive. I need to test on a > Windows system as well just in case this was needed for Windows systems. It's good to know there is a reason behind such things. It is, of course, no problem - I'm sure we all much prefer solid sound to the pips being accurate! LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Just checked the code in more detail and I found because of rebuffering and possibly limited testing, I put in a special "safety" factor to start Flac stream 50 segments older - 50*3.84 secs = 192 secs which is just over 3 minutes. When comparing segment numbers of Firefox and Plugin - I must have convinced myself they were closers than reaility. However, if I reduce this "guard" to zero - I get occasional rebuffering when segments take longer than 5 secs to arrive. I need to test on a Windows system as well just in case this was needed for Windows systems. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > I know there is a delay but on my setup it is not consistent. Trying to > see what make the difference. > What timezone is the LMS server in ? (segment number calculation has > make allowance for difference between server time and BBC CDN time) > > What version of VLC ? I installed a supposed nighly build but there is > no support for DASH Flac. > > Code: > > > VLC media player 3.0.0-git Vetinari (revision 3.0.0~~git20160813+r65787+62~ubuntu16.04.1) > VLC version 3.0.0-git Vetinari (3.0.0~~git20160813+r65787+62~ubuntu16.04.1) > > > My LMS Server time zone is reported as "Time zone: Europe/London (BST, +0100)". I couldn't find a version of VLC 3 for ubuntu 17.04 (the ppa master version for 17.04 never seems to have been successfully built, but I see the 16.04 one was at the end of June), so I git cloned a source version on Saturday July 15th and built it myself (not too easy, I had to install loads of libraries, overcome compilation errors on qt5, etc). I haven't quite established the time difference between Firefox and vlc 3.0, but I think vlc is around 1.5 minutes behind firefox. All quite strange :) LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
PasTim wrote: > That's what I thought, but I got confused by something someone said in > some early post. > > Just to be clear, I'm using the flac manifest > (http://vs-dash-ww-rd-live.bbcfmt.hs.llnwd.net/al/lossless/client_manifest.mpd) > with vlc 3, so the time difference is for flac (rather than aac or > anything else) through vlc versus the plugin. > > My seconds to delay is 'no delay' > With VLC I'm playing though pulseaudio to headphones - there may be some > slight resampling going on > With LMS the player is squeezelite - my normal settings there do > transcode up somewhat, but this normally gives next to no delay - > certainly not minutes I know there is a delay but on my setup it is not consistent. TRying to see what make the difference. What timezone is the LMS server in ? (segment number calculation has make allowance for difference between server time and BBC CDN time) What version of VLC ? I installed a supposed nighly build but there is no support for DASH Flac. Code: VLC media player 3.0.0-git Vetinari (revision 3.0.0~~git20160813+r65787+62~ubuntu16.04.1) VLC version 3.0.0-git Vetinari (3.0.0~~git20160813+r65787+62~ubuntu16.04.1) bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > No. The BBC R3 Flac stream is always in Flac. Once data is being sent > from plugin to a player it cannot change format without stopping and > restarting. That's what I thought, but I got confused by something someone said in some early post. > > Perhaps I didn't explain my theory properly in the previous post. DASH > stream allows for some of the characteristics can change dynamically > while streams is playing. I'm wondering whether some of the parameters > which are used to calculate the "Live edge" (e.g. the segment number of > the lastest available segment) change from "Normal " BBC R3 to when > broadcasting "Prom live". > > > edit: > What is your " second to delay start live stream " setting ? > What sort of player ? > Are you transcoding ? Just to be clear, I'm using the flac manifest (http://vs-dash-ww-rd-live.bbcfmt.hs.llnwd.net/al/lossless/client_manifest.mpd) with vlc 3, so the time difference is for flac (rather than aac or anything else) through vlc versus the plugin. My seconds to delay is 'no delay' With VLC I'm playing though pulseaudio to headphones - there may be some slight resampling going on With LMS the player is squeezelite - my normal settings there do transcode up somewhat, but this normally gives next to no delay - certainly not minutes LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
PasTim wrote: > I've just tested this morning with vlc 3 and the plugin was nearly 3 > minutes behind. > > I also believe you said previously that only the live prom was in flac, > and the rest was still aac, even though displayed on the LMS web info as > being flc. Is that correct? No. The BBC R3 Flac stream is always in Flac. Once data is being sent from plugin to a player it cannot change format without stopping and restarting. Perhaps I didn't explain my theory properly in the previous post. DASH stream allows for some of the characteristics can change dynamically while streams is playing. I'm wondering whether some of the parameters which are used to calculate the "Live edge" (e.g. the segment number of the lastest available segment) change from "Normal " BBC R3 to when broadcasting "Prom live". bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
I've just tested this morning with vlc 3 and the plugin was nearly 3 minutes behind. I also believe you said previously that only the live prom was in flac, and the rest was still aac, even though displayed on the LMS web info as being flc. Is that correct? LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
PasTim wrote: > flac is all working very well indeed - thanks again for all your work. > > > I notice that when using firefox or vlc 3 they don't seem to run as many > minutes behind as this plugin does. It doesn't really matter, but I > just wondered why. When the Flac streams restarted, I did some testing and I heard this dfiference one evening during a Prom concert (see edit on my post of 12-Jul-17) and thought it was odd as I had checked this before and then there was little or no difference. So I have looked into this as I had assumed a coding error or something had changed. A bit of background. For live DASH the audio is divided into chunks. Each chunk has to be fetched individually using a http/GET and each chunk has an URL with a unique timecode. In the case of the Flac streams the timecode multiplied by 3.84 gives epochtime. So I did a side by side comparison of the URLs for the segments being fetched by Firefox player and my plugin and the timecode for the segments being fetched were very close. So in this case I was not getting the minutes delay. End result - I need to do more test to see if this "delay" is consistent or it varies (e.g. Is Prom stream DASH header different in some way) . If it varies - determine the reason. Technical Info. To minimise rebuffering, the plugin tries to pre-fetch segments. Pre-fetching means fetching chunks that are not realtime but a few segments older. Currently plugin is setup to prefetch 2 segment which would result in live stream being about 7.6 secs for Flac or 13 secs for AAC behind realtime. LMS players have internal buffers and for live streams the player will nto start playing until the internal bufer has reached a threshold (i.e. Plugin setting Buffer Fullness Threshold). With Flac the max threshold is usually reached in 2 segments (I think) but this shouldn't be causing the delay. Last year one of BBC technical posted in the forum that my plugin tries to fetch segments too soon (i.e. plugin was trying to fetch segment that weren't yet read) and BBC weren't happy as it created lots of log messages on their servers. So I included a "guard" of 2 segments. This means at worst plugin should be about 4-6 segment behind firefox which for flac is 12-20 secs. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
flac is all working very well indeed - thanks again for all your work. I notice that when using firefox or vlc 3 they don't seem to run as many minutes behind as this plugin does. It doesn't really matter, but I just wondered why. LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
ajs6000 wrote: > Many thanks for this information. > > I will try it out on the 18th. Why not try out the binaural items that are available now - enjoy the coughing of the audience next to you. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Many thanks for this information. I will try it out on the 18th. ajs6000's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48607 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
ajs6000 wrote: > Hi, > > The proms FLAC trial is working fine for me on the touch. > > Thank-you for making this possible. > > Could the binaural proms trial be made to stream via the squeezebox in a > similar way? > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/taster/projects/proms-binaural-2017/ According to the text - it is provided as standard using the normal 320kbs AAC stream. Nothing special to do - it is just a different mix for a few concerts. > You will only hear audio when there is a concert being streamed on the > experiment. You will not hear normal BBC Radio 3 - this experiment > tries to recreate the experience of being at the Royal Albert Hall in > London, so you won't get the announcements before or during the > programme or the interval talk. If you can find the URL to be played - I can test it. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
PasTim wrote: > The flac stream is playing perfectly for me (in the UK). I notice > there's no skip back facility. I guess that's not available in this > stream format. technically the plugin can handle - BBC just doesn't provide the buffer. Skipback depends on BBC maintaining a time buffer of the last XX secs. When you skip back - the plugin request a chunk with a specific timecode and then plays sequentlially from there. Wirh AAC the time buffer is currently about 3 Hours. With Flac it is 10 minutes. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > Another BBC Blog entry > http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/entries/c2676eb7-532b-4a4a-bcb8-63f7555a93ec > > > Also Good to see he is using a Musical Fidelity V Dac. So do I. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
The flac stream is playing perfectly for me (in the UK). I notice there's no skip back facility. I guess that's not available in this stream format. LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Hi, The proms FLAC trial is working fine for me on the touch. Thank-you for making this possible. Could the binaural proms trial be made to stream via the squeezebox in a similar way? http://www.bbc.co.uk/taster/projects/proms-binaural-2017/ ajs6000's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48607 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Another BBC Blog entry http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/entries/c2676eb7-532b-4a4a-bcb8-63f7555a93ec > If we offer this sound to the audience in lossless it will be over > 1000kbps and we will be conveying it to the audience as the recording > left us in Radio 3 Concert Sound. Also > > So, I hope you can give it a try and let us know what you think. If > people like it we can consider if we might do more of it though were > making no promises at this stage. It matters to us on Radio 3 as we have > already put the work in to record great performances in a great way so > if the audience can hear it that way, so much the better. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
ericj wrote: > The options on the questionnaire are: > Desktop iPlayer Radio App DAB Radio FM Radio Other Skip > > Not the pluginprobably a standard set of categories. Thus I could > not say BPA's wonderful plugin..:) > Again, thanks. The LMS+Plugin+SB is a non BBC internet player - functionally same as any internet radio appliance - a bit unusual in that it is up to date with all formats. As I understood the questionaire - it was about your "normal" predominant way of listening to Radio 3 - so "other" is the "most honest" as technically it seems they are interested in the playing appliance rather than the transport technology (i.e Desktop and iPlayer App are the same transport - DAB and FM are not.). bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > AFAIK The only choice users have are > > 1. Firefox but must be a recent install. > 2. VLC but only if the user managed to install the right build of VLC > 3. BBCiPlayer plugin. > > HAve I missed any others ? > > Unlikely that "casual" users will be able to listen to the stream. The options on the questionnaire are: Desktop iPlayer Radio App DAB Radio FM Radio Other Skip Not the pluginprobably a standard set of categories. Thus I could not say BPA's wonderful plugin..:) Again, thanks. ericj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3230 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
slartibartfast wrote: > When I responded after seeing Bpa's post there were only 3 responses so > a few more have taken the time to respond. Probably all from here > . AFAIK The only choice users have are 1. Firefox but must be a recent install. 2. VLC but only if the user managed to install the right build of VLC 3. BBCiPlayer plugin. HAve I missed any others ? Unlikely that "casual" users will be able to listen to the stream. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
ericj wrote: > Done. Only 9 responses so far, so the more the merrier. Thanks for > pointing this out! > > When answering 'How do you listen" I chose other, but it is an > interesting question. Should I have said iPlayer? > Thanks again When I responded after seeing Bpa's post there were only 3 responses so a few more have taken the time to respond. Probably all from here . Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > Don't be passive listener and just hope - rate the service > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/taster/projects/radio-3-concert-sound2/rate > > Done. Only 9 responses so far, so the more the merrier. Thanks for pointing this out! When answering 'How do you listen" I chose other, but it is an interesting question. Should I have said iPlayer? Thanks again ericj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3230 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
ericj wrote: > Streams quite nicely using a RPi, 7.9.1., non-UK (US) > Thanks so much. > If we could ask the Beeb to do this full time.. Don't be passive listener and just hope - rate the service http://www.bbc.co.uk/taster/projects/radio-3-concert-sound2/rate Aparently the blog has been updated http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/blog/2017-04-radio-3-high-quality-flac-dash bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Streams quite nicely using a RPi, 7.9.1., non-UK (US) Thanks so much. If we could ask the Beeb to do this full time.. ericj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3230 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
BBC seem to have started the Radio 3 Live stream again ahead of the Proms. To play Flac - you need the V 1.5.4.* of the plugin as Flac is a bit of an experiment by BBC. Once installed then you need to set Live Stream setting to "DashFlac > DASH" and play the "BBC Radio 3 Flac" stream To install V1.5.4.* use the repo URL http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/V154testrelease-repo.xml Some updates for the plugin may be needed - these will be delivered through the above repo. As chunks are bigger and duration of each chunk is smaller (3.84 secs Flac vs 6.4 secs for AAC) some buffering issues might show up. Known issues at the moment: 1. Bit rate is incorrectly displayed on Web GUI - needs to be checked 2. When playing Flac stream a number of extra unnecessary messages are logged such as "long chunk fetch time" and "Invalid estimated delay" 3. Realtime "current track" program info is not always displayed bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
psketch wrote: > Yep - that fixed it! Odd that it wouldn't realise that if it only > support 44.1, that it should resample something at 48K. Anyhow - many, > many thanks for your help - at least we have a work around for now. Without the "-R" the expectation is that LMS will do the resampling (there may be something odd about streams vs files). Also the -R X is available for users who want a 44.1Hz stream to be resampled to say 88.2Hz because it will sound better ! bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > Try > squeezelite -r 44100 -R X > > Says 44100 is Max rate and then forces resampling by squeezelite to max > rate. Yep - that fixed it! Odd that it wouldn't realise that if it only support 44.1, that it should resample something at 48K. Anyhow - many, many thanks for your help - at least we have a work around for now. pete S psketch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56555 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Try squeezelite -r 44100 -R X Says 44100 is Max rate and then forces resampling by squeezelite to max rate. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > Assuming the hifiberry only supports 441.kHz and 48kHz - then the > following says player only support 44.1kHz > > squeezelite -r 44100 > > If there are other rates then provide in a list separated by commas > e.g. > > squeezelite -r 32000,44100,96000 > > edit: > > Not sure now - I've looked at an LMS log doing this and LMS does not > seem to have resampled. yes - think i tried that just now - but seems like you can put any number into the max rate box in pcp and it doesn't make any difference. A non-numeric will stop squeezelite launching, but -r 44100 doesn't seem to do anything. Amp+ only support 44.1 and 48, so that should be all it needs psketch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56555 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
psketch wrote: > Thanks. > > I'd rather go with (i) as it's only affecting one player. Do you happen > to know the resampling syntax for that? Assuming the hifiberry only supports 441.kHz and 48kHz - then the following says player only support 44.1kHz squeezelite -r 44100 If there are other rates then provide in a list separated by commas e.g. squeezelite -r 32000,44100,96000 bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > I think it may take a while before the new kernel is included in picore > release. > > In the meantime you could setup the squeezelite on the offending player > to either (i ) tell LMS it doesn't support 48Khz (i.e so LMS will > resample) or (ii) make squeezelite resample all streams to 44.1kHz Thanks. I'd rather go with (i) as it's only affecting one player. Do you happen to know the resampling syntax for that? psketch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56555 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
psketch wrote: > Ah yes - that looks like it! I'll chase up with the picore team. I think it may take a while before the new kernel is included in picore release. In the meantime you could setup the squeezelite on the offending player to either (i ) tell LMS it doesn't support 48Khz (i.e so LMS will resample) or (ii) make squeezelite resample all streams to 44.1kHz bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > BBCIplayer DASH & HLS streams are 48kHz whereas MP3 are 44.1kHz > > Isn't there a bug in Picore 3.2 with Hifiberry Amp+ playing 48Khz > streams ? see > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?107352-Announce-piCorePlayer-3-20=886279=1#post886279 Ah yes - that looks like it! I'll chase up with the picore team. thanks again pete S psketch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56555 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
psketch wrote: > I'm using 1.5.3 and in general all seems well with the streams with one > very odd situation - one of my players just streams silence, whilst all > the others seems to work fine. I have a mixture of h/w (transporter, > boom, SB3) and picore players. All work fine apart from one, which has > a pi2, picoreplayer & Hifiberry Amp+. Other h/w players seem fine, as > do other pi based players. On the one that doesn't work, it's streaming > other content fine - e.g. local music, TIDAL, other internet radio > services. When I try and play bbc, it picks up the channel information > and bit rate - just no sound. Really strange. If I just tell the > player in the next room to play the same content, that works fine. Any > ideas where to start? > > Quick Edit : If I stream direct from > http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/redir/version/2.0/mediaset/http-icy-mp3-a-stream/proto/http/vpid/bbc_radio_five_live > (i.e. an MP3 stream) that works fine as well, even on the unwell player. BBCIplayer DASH & HLS streams are 48kHz whereas MP3 are 44.1kHz Isn't there a bug in Picore 3.2 with Hifiberry Amp+ playing 48Khz streams ? see http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?107352-Announce-piCorePlayer-3-20=886279=1#post886279 bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
I'm using 1.5.3 and in general all seems well with the streams with one very odd situation - one of my players just streams silence, whilst all the others seems to work fine. I have a mixture of h/w (transporter, boom, SB3) and picore players. All work fine apart from one, which has a pi2, picoreplayer & Hifiberry Amp+. Other h/w players seem fine, as do other pi based players. On the one that doesn't work, it's streaming other content fine - e.g. local music, TIDAL, other internet radio services. When I try and play bbc, it picks up the channel information and bit rate - just no sound. Really strange. If I just tell the player in the next room to play the same content, that works fine. Any ideas where to start? psketch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56555 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Around 4-Jun-17 when I last updated the betarelease-repo.xml repo URL to supply BBCiPlayerExtra V2.x I made an error and so broke the repo xml and LMS wouldn't load. I've fixed the repo XML and also updated the repo to deliver V1.5.3 instead of 1.5.2 (as well as Extra V2.x) as it has a number of big fixes. When V1.5.4.* ( Flac streaming for Proms, segment info) is tested a bit more in July - I'll update the betarelease-repo.xml to deliver 1.5.4.* 11-Feb-17 Release notes for BBCiPlayer 1.5.3 beta - Change to live streaming behaviour due to a problem noted by BBC. - Fix to problem of metadata getting stuck/not updating on live stream - Fix to "delay" message after skipback so that time shown is sensible. - Better handling of failed http request and tidyup after http requests. - Reduced default timeouts of http requests. - Fix for "Listen Again" on DASH 9-Feb-17 bug - "Recent Tracks" menu to provide info on latest tracks played on some stations. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
majones wrote: > Is there any way of maintaining access to archives such as In Our Time? Podcast? 22612 Ronnie +---+ |Filename: in our time.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22612| +---+ Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
florca wrote: > get_iplayer etc. were and are a definite target but my take was that > Squeezeplayer, although non-commercial, was regarded with benign > support. This was obviously the personal view of someone fairly far > down the food chain, and the thinking may have hardened since then (and > many of the internal team have, I think, moved on or the work been > outsourced :( ). However I suspect that there may still be some > willingness to work with us if a reasonably secure answer could be > found? One of the principles of the plugin was not to save anything. In fact, in early version of AlienBBC Triode disabled playback to softplayers (original Java based SoftSqueeze) when it was clear some users were saving the digital stream. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > I think one motive is the BBC is trying to hamper the "downloaders" and > we're just collateral damageI think you're 100% correct there. A few years > back I had a chat to one of the BBC Listen Again developers who I met at a conference and his (very unofficial!) view was that the BBC itself wasn't too bothered about how people accessed their broadcast content - their philosophy was to make it as widely and easily available as possible through pretty much any channel. However very large amounts of third party content (especially sport and recorded audio) came with significant rights restrictions, and the BBC were very worried that unless they enforced visible safeguards to restrict straightforward redistribution then obtaining this content for broadcast would become either impossible or horrendously costly. Since then there have also been the large BBC budget clamps and need to monetise as much of their own content overseas as possible. get_iplayer etc. were and are a definite target but my take was that Squeezeplayer, although non-commercial, was regarded with benign support. This was obviously the personal view of someone fairly far down the food chain, and the thinking may have hardened since then (and many of the internal team have, I think, moved on or the work been outsourced :( ). However I suspect that there may still be some willingness to work with us if a reasonably secure answer could be found? 4x Slim Devices SB3 (White) 1x Boom, 1x Radio 1x Joggler + Squeezeplay / Squeezelite + Topping TP30 florca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7486 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
As to whack-a-mole, I think the BBC have decided they only want people using Apps or the BBC web site because they have tighter control of those. They probably regret ever officially supporting third party hardware internet radios, the feed for them (which this plugin uses) probably only still exists because the BBC don't think they can get away with annoying the manufacturers. Owen Smith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
I like the idea of the plugin accumulating 7 day schedue information until it has 30 days worth. It's reasonably elegant, and it uses the official published feed for third parties so I don't see how the BBC can do something to break it. Owen Smith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Owen Smith wrote: > The biggest loss for me from Extras is the 30 day Listen Again window, > we're down to 7 days now on the official feed which is rather paltry. > Are they deliberately trying to drive users away from third party > internet radios and players to get people to use Apps or the BBC web > site? Because it certainly feels like it. > > I've started recording BBC radio programmes on my Freeview PVR again, a > 7 day catchup window just isn't enough for me. This unfortunately means > poorer sound quality compared to the 320kbps AAC iPlayer feeds. > > And I also miss the A-Z of programmes. I don't care when The Early Music > Show was broadcast, I just know that's what I want to play so A-Z is > easier to find it. My only thought on the 30 day issues was for the plugin to save the BBC 7 day feed and merge with previous day so that after a while there is a accumulated feed which would provide the 30 days. I liked A-Z (and other feeds) it meant you could find programmes easily (search current BBC web site for "In our time" and you get any program with "our" "time" as well). Look at BBC web site now - I challenge you to find the A-Z menu there (it is still there but no longer front & centre) and it also seems to me BBC have either deliberately slowed it down or changed the database so that it is very very slow. At the moment I don't have the enthusiasm to develop these ideas (and I have researched other approaches in the background) further as I think BBC is playing "whack-a-mole" where 3rd parties are the mole - if I develop an answer - BBC will shut down that route. I think one motive is the BBC is trying to hamper the "downloaders" and we're just collateral damage bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > No - I was hoping BBC might announce a new API when shutting the old > ones down but you can see BBC have removed a lot of that functionality > from their web pages - no more A-Z of programs and have no internal use > for the old APIs. They are embracing "responsive" web stuff which does > nothing for me. The biggest loss for me from Extras is the 30 day Listen Again window, we're down to 7 days now on the official feed which is rather paltry. Are they deliberately trying to drive users away from third party internet radios and players to get people to use Apps or the BBC web site? Because it certainly feels like it. I've started recording BBC radio programmes on my Freeview PVR again, a 7 day catchup window just isn't enough for me. This unfortunately means poorer sound quality compared to the 320kbps AAC iPlayer feeds. And I also miss the A-Z of programmes. I don't care when The Early Music Show was broadcast, I just know that's what I want to play so A-Z is easier to find it. Owen Smith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
majones wrote: > Is there any way of maintaining access to archives such as In Our Time? There is no way to do it on the fly as API has changed. The only way to do is to generate an file of the archive up to say 1-april-2017 and keep the file http accessible online somewhere. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > No - I was hoping BBC might announce a new API when shutting the old > ones down but you can see BBC have removed a lot of that functionality > from their web pages - no more A-Z of programs and have no internal use > for the old APIs. They are embracing "responsive" web stuff which does > nothing for me. Is there any way of maintaining access to archives such as In Our Time? majones's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
majones wrote: > That's a real shame. So does Extras have any functionality now? No - I was hoping BBC might announce a new API when shutting the old ones down but you can see BBC have removed a lot of that functionality from their web pages - no more A-Z of programs and have no internal use for the old APIs. They are embracing "responsive" web stuff which does nothing for me. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > BBC have killed Extras today. Only playing program info via BBCiPlayer > menu will access On-Demand programs. That's a real shame. So does Extras have any functionality now? majones's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Owen Smith wrote: > See this for the BBC announcement on removing the feeds that > iPlayerExtras uses: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08mdjyb.xml At least they have updated it and again promising new APIs- the previous message was there for about 12 months wirth a few extension of the deadline. Basically - we are removing the old APIs but have nothing to replace them even though for the last 12 month we knew we would stop these APIs bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
See this for the BBC announcement on removing the feeds that iPlayerExtras uses: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08mdjyb.xml Owen Smith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > > 1.5.2 had other issues a while back and was updated to 1.5.3. 1.5.4 has > some addtional but best to use it for your needs. > > Use 1.5.4 from here > *http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/V154testrelease-repo.xml* Magic! Thank you so much. __ David adagio's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
adagio wrote: > LMS 7.7.5 on Windows XP > > > BBC iPlayer (v 1.5.2) which has been working fine since forever - now > will play Live but Listen Again get "Error no items found in play list" > Installed BBC iPlayer Extra (v 1.9.5) no change > > Do get error message on Plugins page "Bad repository > http://triodeplugins.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/testrepo.xml - 404 Not > Found" > > Squeezebox Duo but get same behaviour on Windows Sqeezeplay Beta > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. BBC have killed Extras today. Only playing program info via BBCiPlayer menu will access On-Demand programs. 1.5.2 had other issues a while back and was updated to 1.5.3. 1.5.4 has some addtional but best to use it for your needs. Use 1.5.4 from here *http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/V154testrelease-repo.xml* bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
LMS 7.7.5 on Windows XP BBC iPlayer (v 1.5.2) which has been working fine since forever - now will play Live but Listen Again get "Error no items found in play list" Installed BBC iPlayer Extra (v 1.9.5) no change Do get error message on Plugins page "Bad repository http://triodeplugins.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/testrepo.xml - 404 Not Found" Squeezebox Duo but get same behaviour on Windows Sqeezeplay Beta Any help would be greatly appreciated. __ David adagio's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
florca wrote: > Working fine again now, thanks as ever. Never knew about Systemline > before your link, and definitely well above my budget. Strange that > there's absolutely no mention of Logitech or LMS on their site - do they > have any sort of formal relationship with Logitech? Is Adrian Smith > linked to them in any way? I think they may have an agreement of some sort with Logitech (I don't know the origin of the tech of their players) and Triode/Adrian Smith never mentioned them - Adrian had his own line into BBC. > Hope I'm not being paranoid about the future of (your) BBCiPlayer > though I think the BBCiPlayer is OK as long as BBCiPlayer uses the feeds that BBC publish to vendors (e.g. SystemLine and other internet radio devices ) using the XML program feed and this feed (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/imda/imda_transports.xml ) (IMDA was an old industry association which hoped to standardise APIs) BBCiPlayerExtra and segments use old JSON and XML APIs which BBC is retiring in favor of a different format. Nitro was the intended replacement (and is used in Apps which have a Nitro key embedded) but I think technology is moving so fast BBC do not want to support another Public API as with open saource the T are too hard to get right (perhaps get_iplayer behaviour is also moulding their actions) bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > I've done a quick update to plugin. Uninstall and reinstall and I hope > it is OK. > > BBC have blocked the addresses beginning > http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/aps/programmes/b08mdlpx/segments.json > > it seems they prefer us to use this type now > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08mdjky/segments.json > > I Works for me - Thanks! LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > I've done a quick update to plugin. Uninstall and reinstall and I hope > it is OK. Working fine again now, thanks as ever. Never knew about Systemline before your link, and definitely well above my budget. Strange that there's absolutely no mention of Logitech or LMS on their site - do they have any sort of formal relationship with Logitech? Is Adrian Smith linked to them in any way? Hope I'm not being paranoid about the future of (your) BBCiPlayer though Brgds Phil 4x Slim Devices SB3 (White) 1x Boom, 1x Radio 1x Joggler + Squeezeplay / Squeezelite + Topping TP30 florca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7486 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
I don't this recent problem was a specific reaction to the new feature - many of the Extras feeds have also gone down. This is similar to what happened a few weeks ago. I think BBC now make changes mid week instead of weekend so they have time to react and fix problem during week days rather than have feedback build up and overflow on a Monday. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
florca wrote: > Except that now it's not! They're obviously locking things down pretty > heavily this morning as within the last ten minutes those links, working > earlier, now resolve to a "Maintenance Mode" page. I'd like to believe > that the real target of this lockdown is get_iplayer etc. rather than > the Squeezebox plugins, but I rather fear that the only long-term answer > for the BBCiPlayer SB plugin is to come to some sort of formal, licensed > deal, potentially involving a closed source blob? Did you (bpa) ever > have any worthwhile follow-up with the BBC Developer who popped up on > the forums complaining about the plugin behaviour, and could he be a > route into the citadel? No I didn't contact BBC as otherwise I'd be legally responsible and LMS cannot lock down source code. Systemline use LMS and their cleaned up version of the BBCiPlayer plugin (not with Extras) and they have an official line to BBC. see https://www.systemline.co.uk/themes/systemlinev3/pdf/Adding%20new%20BBCiplayer%20plugin.pdf bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
I've done a quick update to plugin. Uninstall and reinstall and I hope it is OK. BBC have blocked the addresses beginning http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/aps/programmes/b08mdlpx/segments.json it seems they prefer us to use this type now http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08mdjky/segments.json I bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
florca wrote: > FWIW the current (updated) metadata for last night's Late Junction as > at: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08n46f2.xml > with the detailed Segment info in the "Version PID" at: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08n463g.xml Except that now it's not! They're obviously locking things down pretty heavily this morning as within the last ten minutes those links, working earlier, now resolve to a "Maintenance Mode" page. I'd like to believe that the real target of this lockdown is get_iplayer etc. rather than the Squeezebox plugins, but I rather fear that the only long-term answer for the BBCiPlayer SB plugin is to come to some sort of formal, licensed deal, potentially involving a closed source blob? Did you (bpa) ever have any worthwhile follow-up with the BBC Developer who popped up on the forums complaining about the plugin behaviour, and could he be a route into the citadel? Brgds Phil 4x Slim Devices SB3 (White) 1x Boom, 1x Radio 1x Joggler + Squeezeplay / Squeezelite + Topping TP30 florca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7486 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > This is not under developement but another BBC feature which could die > after May 2017 - BBC are withdraeing support for JSON and so this and > many Extras API are on DNR. > > Problems are more likely my end trying to rush things as other work has > backed up due to Flac and segments and both have suffered. > > Details please - specific program details help. Segment list with equal > program slots are generated by plugin if no segment info was available > or if fetch from BBC failed - so if info was available yesterday then it > is likely fetch failed (which will be cached for 15-20mins by LMS). If > plugin was reinstalled then problem could be somethign else. > > edit: > > Cant check the programs detailed as as the moment I am going back > through LMS 7.9 updates to find the change from 7.8 To pick just one program, the same as you mentioned yesterday, R2 Johnnie Walker's Sounds of the 70s, 15:00 on Sunday 23rd has no segment info at all. Nor has any other program I've looked at this morning. Many did last night after I installed the Plugin.pm. The re-installed plugin has a Plugin.pm dated today. On the server log I am getting this: Code: Plugins::BBCiPlayer::iPlayer::__ANON__ (780) Segment fetch http error = 403 Forbidden url=http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/aps/programmes/b08n0zt3/segments.json LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
PasTim wrote: > I suspect that this feature may be 'under development' at the Beeb. > Maybe it's not worth spending too much effort on it right now? They've had versions of this data for several years now, at least for the Radio 3 programmes above, although the format and tags have changed a bit over time. The accuracy, completeness (and sometimes the format and tags used) seem to depend a lot on the individual programme producer or external production company, with the data for Late Junction being generally pretty good, especially since Reduced Listening took over production. One difference to this change is that they seem to have re-formatted the metadata for programmes already in the database. FWIW the current (updated) metadata for last night's Late Junction as at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08n46f2.xml with the detailed Segment info in the "Version PID" at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08n463g.xml 4x Slim Devices SB3 (White) 1x Boom, 1x Radio 1x Joggler + Squeezeplay / Squeezelite + Topping TP30 florca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7486 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
florca wrote: > I think the BBC have changed something overnight! The same Radio 3 > programmes which were showing a full, detailed Segment List yesterday > night (Late Junction, World on 3, Jazz Now) are only showing the > 10-minute interval list this morning :( . All a bit annoying of them, as > it was working so well yesterday... BBC seem to have have blocked - please look at your log file. Code: Segment fetch http error = 403 Forbidden url=http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/aps/programmes/b08mdlpx/segments.json bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
PasTim wrote: > I suspect that this feature may be 'under development' at the Beeb. > Maybe it's not worth spending too much effort on it right now? This is not under developement but another BBC feature which could die after May 2017 - BBC are withdraeing support for JSON and so this and many Extras API are on DNR. Problems are more likely my end trying to rush things as other work has backed up due to Flac and segments and both have suffered. Details please - specific program details help. Segment list with equal program slots are generated by plugin if no segment info was available or if fetch from BBC failed - so if info was available yesterday then it is likely fetch failed (which will be cached for 15-20mins by LMS). If plugin was reinstalled then problem could be somethign else. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
I suspect that this feature may be 'under development' at the Beeb. Maybe it's not worth spending too much effort on it right now? LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > > I've noticed on a few programs the segment list is a bit odd (and don't > work) as they use a format that I hadn't noticed before - I'll come back > to this issue later. I think the BBC have changed something overnight! The same Radio 3 programmes which were showing a full, detailed Segment List yesterday night (Late Junction, World on 3, Jazz Now) are only showing the 10-minute interval list this morning :( . All a bit annoying, as it was working so well yesterday... 4x Slim Devices SB3 (White) 1x Boom, 1x Radio 1x Joggler + Squeezeplay / Squeezelite + Topping TP30 florca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7486 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > I've updated the 1.5.4.3 Plugin so anyboy who has this problem just need > to re-install the plugin. > > I've noticed on a few programs the segment list is a bit odd (and don't > work) as they use a format that I hadn't noticed before - I'll come back > to this issue later. On 7.9.1, I uninstalled the plugin, cleared cache, checked the plugin program directory had disappeared (it had), reinstalled, but I still see no segment info. I did last night with the replacement Plugin.pm. LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
ajs6000 wrote: > I only have one problem, that the on air text just displays "2 mins > delay" is this normal for the FLAC stream? Yes. It is an estimate based oin the timecode of the segment last sent by BBC sent to player against real time. So it is a combination of BBC anbd plyer buffer. Depending on your player and setup, as buffer unwinds it may disappear or not. It is added by plugin because users used to ask why is stream so late compared to FM. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Hi, I've been using the BBC Radio 3 FLAC stream for the past week and its worked perfectly. Many thanks for providing this option during this testing phase. I only have one problem, that the on air text just displays "2 mins delay" is this normal for the FLAC stream? ajs6000's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48607 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
I've updated the 1.5.4.3 Plugin so anyboy who has this problem just need to re-install the plugin. I've noticed on a few programs the segment list is a bit odd (and don't work) as they use a format that I hadn't noticed before - I'll come back to this issue later. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
ian_heys wrote: > Recent Tracks looks good. > > Struggling to find Segment Times on most programmes and where I do find > them there is only one segment. Probably my misunderstanding of the > purpose of this feature. > > Edit: Still can't find a "More" menu. Can you give an example of where a > "More" menu can be found? > > Edit Again: Just seen conversation in other forum. Will look through > that. Just for the other readers of this thread. There is a problem with the 1.5.4.3 under 7.9 when using the Browser UI. I'll do another upload of 1.5.4.3 with a fix. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > > > I've uploaded BBCiPlayer 1.5.4.2. For anybody using the > V154testreleaserepo - upgrade will be notified automatically. > > Main changes > - Recent Tracks now show elapsed time (i.e. mins:secs since track was > played) rather than absolute when track was played due to UTC/BST > confusion. > - New "Segment Times" under "more" menu for On-Demand programs. This > shows the time and details of a segment. > > Recent Tracks looks good. Struggling to find Segment Times on most programmes and where I do find them there is only one segment. Probably my misunderstanding of the purpose of this feature. LMS: 7.9.0 - 1488878280 @ Tue Mar 7 09:28:02 UTC 2017 on Raspberry Pi 3B piCorePlayer v3.20 Server/ARCAM rPAC DAC, 2.5 inch HD (pi powered) HOMEPLUG LAN PLAYERS: Squeezelite on Windows 10 PC Raspberry Pi 2B piCorePlayer v3.20/Topping VX2 DAC/Amp *Wifi Players:* UPnP Wifi Players: 2 x Chromecast Audio, 2 x Chromecast Video ian_heys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2629 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > (only a few days left to test) I found a BBC On-demand FLAC test stream in one of their bug reporting pages (forget which). It can be heard by inserting the following in your menu.opml and may keep going after the test period. I wouldn't listen to it for anything other than testing though. http://radio-service-information.api.bbci.co.uk/logos/bbc_radio/600x600.png; URL="iplayer://live?dashflac=http://rdmedia.bbc.co.uk/dash/ondemand/testcard/radio/1/client_manifest-flac.mpdicon=http://radio-service-information.api.bbci.co.uk/logos/bbc_radio/600x600.png; /> Edit: Indents removed by editor and need to be re-inserted LMS: 7.9.0 - 1488878280 @ Tue Mar 7 09:28:02 UTC 2017 on Raspberry Pi 3B piCorePlayer v3.20 Server/ARCAM rPAC DAC, 2.5 inch HD (pi powered) HOMEPLUG LAN PLAYERS: Squeezelite on Windows 10 PC Raspberry Pi 2B piCorePlayer v3.20/Topping VX2 DAC/Amp *Wifi Players:* UPnP Wifi Players: 2 x Chromecast Audio, 2 x Chromecast Video ian_heys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2629 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
1.5.4.3 has the following changes 1. Click on a segment in "Segment Time" menu and player will jump to the segment and play it. 2. Small change to segment list formatting of time to now hours:mins:secs if necessary 3. If no segment info from BBC - a segment info list of equal segments is created to make it easy to jump to one.(is this useful ?) Segment Times menu is not available if program is played from BBCiPlayerExtra menu. Mainly because Extras in current form is due to die next week due to BBC change. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Another small mod the latest test version. In addition to R3 Flac support in 1.5.4 (only a few days left to test) - this version add On-Demand segment info as a menu. I've uploaded BBCiPlayer 1.5.4.2. For anybody using the V154testreleaserepo - upgrade will be notified automatically. Main changes - Recent Tracks now show elapsed time (i.e. mins:secs since track was played) rather than absolute when track was played due to UTC/BST confusion. - New "Segment Times" under "more" menu for On-Demand programs. This shows the time and details of a segment. Segment Info "More" menu BBC shows Track/segment infor for On-demand programs on web browser and maybe on Apps( but I don't know since they are not available outside UK without sideloading) This "more" menu shows the list of segments and the time when a segment begins. It is headed by "Playing" to show current or most recent segment info. For R1,R2 and R3 the segment info is usually a piece of music. For R4 talk shows (e.g. You & Yours) the segment info will be the topic or name of guest. Not sure what segmentinfo shows for other BBC station. I tried to add this info as "album" to current displayed program info but LMS only shows the album info when first added and it is not updated while track is playing - so I couldn't add it to the info. repo IRL http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/V154testrelease-repo.xml bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
bpa wrote: > This only relate to those testing the BBC R3 Flac stream with V1.5.4 > > I've just released the V1.5.4.1 which should fix the "404" aka "Stream > stops playing after a couple of minutes" problem when playing Flac > streams. If using 1.5.4 LMS should show update available. > > This means the "live stream delay" could probably be set to a low value > without fear of stream stopping with a 404 error - can't guarantee no > gaps at low value though This is working really well for me. I've had no 404s, even at zero delay, on any of my devices, including the previously problematic Local Player. I left it running even when not listening (other things one has to do!), and it's run for hours with no log errors. Thanks very much indeed. I'm looking forward to the Proms on R3 flac. I'll try to get to a few live as well :-) LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
This only relate to those testing the BBC R3 Flac stream with V1.5.4 I've just released the V1.5.4.1 which should fix the "404" aka "Stream stops playing after a couple of minutes" problem when playing Flac streams. If using 1.5.4 LMS should show update available. This means the "live stream delay" could probably be set to a low value without fear of stream stopping with a 404 error - can't guarantee no gaps at low value though bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Dean_Bayliss wrote: > Thank-you : Testing here UK location, players are the Mac/squeeze Play, > Radios and PiCore. No gaps or disruption, and I must admit I do have > set -Seconds to delay start live stream- to -no-delay-. The actual > delay is slightly behind the AAC stream, which is obviously some time > behind the FM stream. No errors appear in the log. Other settings as > per the instructions and highest DASH. Tried a 1 minute/start delay too > and that also worked fine. I'm surprised that you do not have an error in the log. I have a fix for the 404 errors that some users experience and will be releaseing it later today. > Only question I have is that it displays the decoded audio as 365kbps > CBR, flc -- I've not spent any further time checking if that is the > case or a setting I'm missing - but I can play higher rate vbr FLAC from > the library. Most of the source material today has not been useful for > checking the AAC/LAC difference on the PiCore/Hifi set up, (well not > that I can tell yet) but will be great for the Proms. 365kbps comes from the BBC MPD (a playlist file for DASH) - not from the flac stream nor form any measurements. BBC could put 10 there and it would be displayed as 10kbps and stream will play at higher rate. The Flac stream is sent as 3.84 sec segment. I added a log which did simple estimate of the rate for each 3.84 sec segment. In a 5 minute period (a piano piece) the values were typically in the 380-420kbps but there was one low of 146kbps and a high of 546kbps. BBC themselves have commented that the Flac stream is typically around 500kbps. The 1 min delay is just the way stream is setup - you'll hear same delay on browser player. For reference as an indication of compression level. CD is 44.1KHz/16bits 2 chan which has a rate of 1411.2 kbps BBC Flac is 48KHz/16bits 2 channel 1536 kbps bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Thank-you : Testing here UK location, players are the Mac/squeeze Play, Radios and PiCore. No gaps or disruption, and I must admit I do have set -Seconds to delay start live stream- to -no-delay-. The actual delay is slightly behind the AAC stream, which is obviously some time behind the FM stream. No errors appear in the log. Other settings as per the instructions and highest DASH. Tried a 1 minute/start delay too and that also worked fine. Only question I have is that it displays the decoded audio as 365kbps CBR, flc -- I've not spent any further time checking if that is the case or a setting I'm missing - but I can play higher rate vbr FLAC from the library. Most of the source material today has not been useful for checking the AAC/LAC difference on the PiCore/Hifi set up, (well not that I can tell yet) but will be great for the Proms. Dean_Bayliss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63168 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Thanks yet again BPA for this. I have updated my Squeezebox Duet and it works fine into the HiFi system and now look forward to the Proms. Regards DaveCheltenham's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41689 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
This post relates to V1.5.4 which has only one change from 1.5.3 - to support DASH Flac. It is a rough and ready addition. The BBC have been testing DASH Flac stream for last few months ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/taster/projects/radio-3-concert-sound also http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/blog/2017-04-radio-3-high-quality-flac-dash ). I have done a mod to BBCiPlayer to play these Flac streams. This has been discussed on the "original" bBCiPlayer DASHthread. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104672-BBCiPlayer-with-DASH-support-test-version/page28 Although this test is due to end in 2 weeks - it looks like the BBC may be using same technology for Proms so it may be helpful for users to test. see https://www.whathifi.com/news/bbc-proms-to-be-broadcast-in-lossless-audio-first-time and http://www.tvbeurope.com/bbc-deliver-proms-flac-level-audio/ --- Since time is short - this is V1.5.4 quickly put together. Only change is for Flac. Not extensively tested. Change the plugin repo to http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/V154testrelease-repo.xml Install as usual.. Two new menus "Radio 3 Flac" in Live & Live (non-UK). This only plays DASH-Flac format. Make sure plugin "Live Stream Preference" is "Dashflac > DASH" Make sure "Seconds to delay live stream start" is set to 1 min or more. No skip back ability as BBC only provides last 10 mins of live stream. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Yes, the system time is wrong! 2011! Thanks for suggesting this. The Sparky is armv7l-linux, running Debian - EN - utf8. Martin Allo Sparky, LMS 7.8.0 > Piano 2.1 + Kali, Max2Play > AudioEngine 5 Raspberry Pi > LMS 7.9.0 [Mac Mini > LMS 7.7.5: retired (okay, I broke it)] Squeezebox Classic, resting iPad mini > Squeezepad Android phone > Squeezer iPhone > iPeng Airplay Bridge > SONY-SRS-X7 speaker nitram's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63775 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
nitram wrote: > Thanks for making this available, bpa. At least for now, however, the > programs are still not displaying. Moreinfo always helps. Don't know what an Allo sparky is - Linux ? arm v6 v7 ?? RPI package ? If menus are shown under Radio/ BBCiPlayer - then There is something odd in your system. Usual suspects are LMS cache and system time. Anything in the log files ? 7.8.0 is old and was updated to to 7.8.1 as well as there is a 7.9 release. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Thanks for making this available, bpa. At least for now, however, the programs are still not displaying. Martin Raspberry Pi > LMS 7.9.0 Allo Sparky, LMS 7.8.0 > Piano 2.1 + Kali, Max2Play Mac Mini > LMS 7.7.5 Squeezebox Classic > AudioEngine 5 iPad mini > Squeezepad Android phone > Squeezer iPhone > iPeng Airplay Bridge > SONY-SRS-X7 speaker nitram's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63775 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
nitram wrote: > I have just installed LMS (7.8.0) on a new machine (an Allo Sparky). It > seems to be running fine, except that BBCiPlayer (1.5.2) displays > "empty" where the programs used to be (on the old machine). Listen Live > (outside the UK) works fine. BBCiPlayer Extras can find all the > programs. The URL displays as (for example) > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/availability/radio4.xml, and if I enter > this in a browser all the program information seems to be there. > > Both the On Demand and the Live stream preferences are set to: > DASH>HLS>MP3>FlashAAC > > Any suggestions what I might be doing wrong? > > Martin You need 1.5.3 - I ahven't had time to do a proper release as there are a few bugs outstanding - test repo is here http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/V153testrelease-repo.xml Extras will probably die in May as BBC as pulls the plug on the APIs it uses. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
I have just installed LMS (7.8.0) on a new machine (an Allo Sparky). It seems to be running fine, except that BBCiPlayer (1.5.2) displays "empty" where the programs used to be (on the old machine). Listen Live (outside the UK) works fine. BBCiPlayer Extras can find all the programs. The URL displays as (for example) http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/availability/radio4.xml, and if I enter this in a browser all the program information seems to be there. Both the On Demand and the Live stream preferences are set to: DASH>HLS>MP3>FlashAAC Any suggestions what I might be doing wrong? Martin Raspberry Pi > LMS 7.9.0 Mac Mini > LMS 7.7.5 Squeezebox Classic > AudioEngine 5 iPad mini > Squeezepad Android phone > Squeezer Airplay Bridge > SONY-SRS-X7 speaker nitram's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63775 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Dean_Bayliss wrote: > 22278 > > Selecting from the BBCiplayer plugin, playing to the radio, then > clicking on the title on the right hand side shows the detail on the > left. Sorry if I confused things with the description. Just listening > the BBC 2 Country popup before this - brilliant! I must try fix that especially as I think that is metadata returned by plugin and the URL is invalid notice the "|" at the end of the URLs. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
22278 Selecting from the BBCiplayer plugin, playing to the radio, then clicking on the title on the right hand side shows the detail on the left. Sorry if I confused things with the description. Just listening the BBC 2 Country popup before this - brilliant! +---+ |Filename: Screen Shot 2017-03-09 at 22.24.45.png | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22278| +---+ Dean_Bayliss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63168 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Dean_Bayliss wrote: > BTW the url is as it appears in LMS from the iPlayer listen live > application, not directly entered :) What is the iplayer live application ? The URL shown using BBCiPlayer plugin via a Web browser or Touch is the iplayer:// URL bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Yes compared and that makes sense and as netstat says NPR STREAMING HTTPS tcp* * * * 0* * * 0 Raspi_Max2play.la:58336 195.10.36.182:*https ** * ESTABLISHED *BBC Akamai dash http* name = a173-223-10-114.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com on 172.223.10.114 tcp* * * * 0* * * 0 Raspi_Max2play.la:52054 a173-223-10-114.de:*http* ESTABLISHED * BBC Limelight dash http* name= *https*-178-79-251-1.lcy.llnw.net on 178.79.251.1 tcp* * * * 0* * * 0 Raspi_Max2play.la:40958 https-178-79-251-1:*http* ESTABLISHED So just the name has https but connected http. BTW the url is as it appears in LMS from the iPlayer listen live application, not directly entered :) Dean_Bayliss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63168 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Dean_Bayliss wrote: > Does this show that I'm now attaching to the https stream and the dash > stream is decoding? (By the way the music is playing!) I think the > http on the end means not? DASH is using HTTP but DASH is chunked not streaming HTTP. I think the netstat is for a different connection or maybe confused. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 beta test
Hi - just out of interest... and you will have seen my other stream, since loading SSL support and upgrading to the latest LMS after Michael's changes yesterday, I'm now able to stream NPR https. So I just went back to see what happens with the Limelight CDN So with URL: dash://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/dash/uk/dash_full/llnw/bbc_6music.mpd I tried this pi@max2play ~ $ netstat Active Internet connections (w/o servers) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State tcp0 0 Raspi_Max2play.la:37087 *https-178-79-251-1:http* ESTABLISHED Does this show that I'm now attaching to the https stream and the dash stream is decoding? (By the way the music is playing!) I think the http on the end means not? Dean_Bayliss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63168 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106409 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
