Re: Twangfest Auction
I think that's a great idea. I'll donate Drive-By Trucker CDs (the new one is in but hasn't been released). I have a collection of P2 friendly band t- shirts given to me by ex-boyfriends that were only worn once. (Hey, I'm house hunting and will be moving -- I need to clean out the closets). I also have lots of band photos from the days when someone was paying me to do photography. I'll go through them, see what's relevant -- see if I can get some autographed -- particularly the Emmylou photos (wonder who will bid on those g). You said early May? That will give me time to go through things, still buy a house, finish a book and keep my "day" job g I also have R.E.M. photos (mostly individual shots) taken on the Monster tour -- not twang but there might be a bidder out there somewhere and I could probably get those autographed if anyone was interested. Oh, and Marie -- I have some great Jim Lauderdale photos g Deb Sommer (trying to remember to sign my real name)
Playlist - Boot Heel Drag 3/23
I rarely post playlists for my show, but I thought the bluegrass content this week might interest some of you folks. The show was dedicated to Charles Sawtelle. Theme: Bob Wills Texas Playboys - Boot Heel Drag Wynn Stewart - Heartaches For a Dime Willie Nelson _ I'm Not Trying to Forget You Anymore The Gourds - January 6 Tex Ritter Johnny Bond - The Governor the Kid Kitty Wells /Johnny Wright 80th birthday tour in town March 26: Kitty Wells Webb Pierce - Oh So Many Years Johnny Jack - Poison Love Johnny Wright - Walkin, Talkin, Cryin, Barely Beatin Broken Heart Kitty Wells Red Foley - We Made a Mistake Kitty Wells - I Gave My Wedding Dress Away Neko Case - Duchess Jimmy Murphy - We Live a Long, Long Time to Get Old Delmore Brothers - Nashville Blues Grievous Angels (Ont.) - Hot and Dusty Monday Hot Rize - Walkin the Dog Hot Rize - Empty Pocket Blues Del McCoury - I've Endured Bill Monroe - Heavy Traffic Ahead Flatt Scruggs - Pike County Breakdown Jimmy Martin -You Don't Know My Mind Doyle Lawson Quicksilver - Happy on My Way Fred J. Eaglesmith - Don't You Try and Change My Mind Stanley Brothers - Hey, Hey, Hey Doc Watson Ronnie McCoury - Black Mountain Rag Delia Bell - Coyote Song Randy Scruggs - Soldier's Joy Jim Jesse - Nobody But You Reno Smiley - I Know You're Married Earl Taylor His Stoney Mountain Boys - Ruby Are You Mad Heartbreak Hill - Bluegrass Stomp Allen Baekeland *** Boot Heel Drag can be heard on CJSW 90.9 FM , Calgary,AB Tuesdays at 6:30 PM MST and on realaudio at www.cjsw.com.
Re: Wilco's summerteeth
At 11:53 PM -0500 on 3/24/99, Bob Burns/Big In Iowa wrote: Is anybody else as tired as I am of hearing about how Wilco never settles into one specific style? No, and I'm still even more open to wondering why they don't do any of them well. So what! If Wilco recorded a Polka record it would sound like Wilco playing Polka. From Jimmy Sturr to Brave Combo, there's tons of bands that can do it well now; we don't need one that doesn't do anything else well doing that badly too. Not many bands can do that. Indeed. I can name one. What's wrong with experimenting? Didn't the Beatles do that their whole career? And often succeeded, which gives them one up. Speaking of the Beatles, I could definitely hear the Lennon/McCartney influences on this record! I'll admit, this isn't your typical Wilco. Is anything "typical Wilco"? At least it's not what I expected. But I love it! I don't claim to be a music critic (I just write songs) so I'm not going to break the album down for you piece by piece, but my god what a cool new fresh sounding CD from Wilco. Buy it now!!! I swore Jeff Tweedy would never get another cent of my money. So far, I've succeeded, no small feat in the town he lives in. (I didn't know he was opening for Patti Smith, I swear. We only saw a song and a half.) If his experimentation tickles you, you're ahead of the game. I stopped playing, myself. Bob
RE: Bootlegs vrs. Used CDs
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lord Rat Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 2:59 PM To: passenger side Subject: Bootlegs vrs. Used CDs Do any of you who are against bootlegs buy used CDs? The artist receives nothing from them either. Are they also a form of theft? Is Garth Brooks right? It depends- if it is an artist I have heard before and know I like, I'll buy the record new. If it's an artist I have heard of and never heard (which is getting rarer thanks to the internet and sound clips being readily available)and see it in a used bin I'll buy it there and if I like it buy the next one or the previous one(s) new. It's definitely a dilemma. I have sent money directly to the band after buying a used cd I like ( a lame gesture at best, but I sleep at night). BTW when people are dead I do buy used (mostly because I don't want the record co. to get the money). I'll chime in that bootlegging for profit is a hideous practice and anyone who thinks artists should feel fortunate to be bootlegged should have a record company for a boss. See what your paycheck looks like for a while and wonder where the missing 80% of your money is, then find out the guy in the next cubicle is doing nothing but peddling your work, and reaping rewards. Nicholas
Need P2 HELP
What's going on? My last two P2 digests have come in MIME form and not text. How the heck am I supposed to open it? Is there something wrong with the WashU server? Please reply to me offlist, as Lord knows I can't access the answers currently. Ron Warnick
Re: NO TWANG Sammy Hagar at Beale Street....egads
Nancy Says: Sammy Hagaregads Get this ya'll, the owner of the newsweekly I am music ed of asked me to set up an interview with him Sammy apparantly has something to do with that new Tequiza beer. Probably just plugging "Red Voodoo" more than the beer. Hagar's trying for a different sound since parting with Van Halen. His last album, "Marching To Mars" and now this one are decidedly more bluesy. Hagar even brings in slide and dobro; even has Bootsy Collins and Jesse Harms guesting. Considering the never-ending dirge of electronica and hip-hop I've listened to lately (and not by choice)...Hagar is like a throwback to the good ol' days of rock - when we were all going to live forever on our rock-n-roll dreams. Anyway, I'm quite partial to "I Can't Drive 55" - teenage blind indulgence and social commentary rolled into one heavy tune g Tera
Re: Wilco's summerteeth
Bob, Well, I said I wasn't going to break down Wilco's new record piece by piece. Obviously you didn't feel the same way about my message. Bob Burns -- Management-(Rick Waring) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Management-(Ken Glidewell) (513)-868-7064 Press General Info-(Bob Burns) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Big In Iowa Web Page- http://www.biginiowa.com Blue Rose Records - http://www.bluerose-records.com/
Wynn Stewart news
I've exchanged e-mail a few times with Wren Stewart Tidwell, Wynn Stewart's daughter, and got this this morning: To all Wynn Stewart fans: I want to give you a BIG thank you for visiting the Wynn Stewart website and special thanks to those of you who took the time to sign the guestbook and/or send me email. You all wrote some very wonderful comments. Many of you have contributed with pictures and information that have helped make the website as complete as it is today. I appreciate your help very much. I'd like to invite you to re-visit the website and see some of the additional improvements that have been made over the past few months: One of my favorite additions is the JUKEBOX. Here you can listen to 16 of Wynn's songs in streaming Real Audio files. If you do not have Real Audio, there is a link on the website where you can download it for free. Please forgive me if the background graphic doesn't line up perfectly on your screen. I tried. But you just cannot account for everyone's different setups. Some of the songs may not work unless you are using the most current version of Real Player G2. Pictures of Wynn's grandchildren. Not that I am a proud mommy or anything... but many have said my son, Tyler, favors his grandfather. I do know that at 2 yrs old, one of his favorite toys is the microphone (turned up loud with lots of echo). There is another grandchild, Margaret Elizabeth Stewart (daughter of Wynn's son, Greg). She is 6. I don't have a picture of her. Refer to a friend option - a very simple option that makes it easy to refer this website to a friend. Hopefully you will use this utility and share this website with everyone you can think of that would enjoy it. BIG NEWSFLASH I have been able to confirm that the Bear Family of Germany is in fact working on a boxed set of Wynn's material. Release date has not been announced. But I have received an email and a phone call from them. Stay tuned to the website, I hope to be able to post this great news as soon as it is available, as well as (hopefully) where you can get it. FUTURE ENHANCEMENTS . I have secured the domain - www.wynnstewart.com. Sometime in the future, I hope to be able to relocate Wynn's website to this address. Does anyone know who will host this for free? (he,he) - never hurts to ask, right? Music for sale - I have been able to locate several sources of Wynn's albums and have been buying everything I can find. Hopefully I will someday have an ONLINE RECORD STORE where Wynn's albums, 45's and CD's will be available to buy from this website. Several of you have inquired about this. Thanks again for your support. If you have any ideas for the website or questions, please feel free to reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wren Stewart Tidwell, webmaster for the WYNN STEWART website at http://members.tripod.com/WynnStewart/index.html p.s. If you will minimize that irritating little tripod pop-up box when it first pops up, it will stay out of your way as you are browsing through the other pages of the website.
Re: SXSW MOVIES of interest here
So Barry, what movie stahs did you see??? Was McConaughey (sp?) there for the EdTV thing? What about Elizabeth Hurley? Jenna Elfman? Did you invite any of them to Twangfest??? I need responses on this! dominick dan
Re: P2 Thanks and SXSW Highlights
-.) Calexico and Calexico with Richard Buckner . . . the coolest indie-grooves I have heard in a long time. I love that band . .. and hearing Richard sing Tom Petty's 'The Waiting' with them was a joy . . . "Yeah I chased a couple women around a-all it ever got me was down . . ." Oh man, speakin'a sticking a knife in and twisting itjust slay me why don't you. And to think I was talking to him an hour or so before that and he didn't tell me anything about that happening. Bastard...(;-)) I am sure there was more. But Shaver rules . . . let it be known. Indeed, and tho you mentioned him, his son's name is Eddie. If I was a solo artists looking for a hot ax to grace my next record I'd go directly there. Whatta player. (and Jim I'm sorry I missed your shows down there-I promise ya I'll make up fer that...) dan shaver
Re: Big In Iowa/the inevitable pairing
Jon Weisberger wrote: Wow, there's Bob Burns of Big In Iowa, the Cincinnati Area Music Awards best roots rock/world beat band (how's that for an eclectic category), and himself named best rock vocalist; they've got a dandy CD out called Twisted. Nice to see him on P2. I'll second Jon's welcome. Big In Iowa is a damned fine band. See them while you can, because we Holsum boys are plotting their untimely demise in order to steal their Hammond B-3 player. And...you knew it had to happen: Holsum (that's Prellboy's outfit) and Prospect Hill (that's mine) will be twin-billing it at Ripley's right here in the Queen City on April 8. Who needs SXSW? And we promise we won't turn any wristband-wearers away at the door. Dave *** Dave Purcell, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northern Ky Roots Music: http://w3.one.net/~newport Twangfest: http://www.twangfest.com
Re: Cigar Store Indians
Go. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: passenger side [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 9:25 AM Subject: Cigar Store Indians Has anyone ever seen this band perform? What did you think? thanks, rebecca
Re: ISO digital Todd Snider Blue Mt. trades
On Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:05:48 -0500 (EST) "Terry A. Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anonymity erodes credibility. And we promise not to laugh if your name is Ethelbert or Seymour or Eula or something like that. -- Terry Smith, whose mom's name is Eula -- a good ol' fashioned Texas name Or, ummm, Cocke. (Now having a flashback to the lunchroom in fifth-grade: "You know what your last name means, doncha...?"). NPIMH -- "Boy Named Sue" -- Johnny Cash. William Cocke Senior Writer HSC Development University of Virginia (804) 924-8432
Re: Cigar Store Indians
On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Tar Hut Records wrote: Rebecca Katic wrote: Has anyone ever seen this band perform? What did you think? Go. Seconded. I saw them a couple of years back at the Roxy in Boston, and they ripped the place up. Damn good stuff. Tom
Re: Chicago: When are Steve and Del at Borders?
Bob Soron wrote: I've heard two reports that Earle McCoury are at Borders tomorrow (Thursday) at 1 PM for an instore. But just today comes a note from someone who says the unofficial Earle page lists the instore on Friday. Anyone able to pin this down? I just called the store (773 935 3909) -- Steve and Del and Co. are there tomorrow (Friday) at 1 p.m. I forgot to ask if they were going to unplug the cappucino machine during the show. TWM === -- Tom Mohr usually here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sometimes here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Cigar Store Indians
Best rock-a-billy I've seen in a long time. Played a few shows with them and they tour it up. Make sure they play a song called " Dirty Belly Button" Dutch -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: passenger side [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cigar Store Indians Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 8:19 AM Has anyone ever seen this band perform? What did you think? thanks, rebecca
PAGING YATES
Will ya e-m me privately? NW
Clip Request: Widespread files
To whomever it was looking for the Widespread Panic article: It took me a while to find this...but it was clipped and save in my Word files...A good (but not exhaustive) look at grassroots band-building. (The original article also had some graphics and charts which aren't included here)...TE No MTV for Widespread Panic,Just Loads of Worshipful Fans By GREG JAFFE Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL Peter Smiley, a concierge at the Heathman Hotel in Portland, Ore., first heard the band Widespread Panic when a friend played a bootleg tape for him several years ago. Today, the 26-year-old shares a strange intimacy with the group's growing community of fans. He receives as many as 20 e-mails a day from other Widespread Panic enthusiasts and trades bootleg concert tapes via the Internet. When the band sent out a message recruiting volunteers to promote its Portland concert recently, he responded. My girlfriend thinks I'm crazy, he says. But I'm just very loyal to those guys because they are so loyal and committed to all of us. In its 11 years of existence, Widespread Panic has never had a music video on MTV or an album that cracked the Billboard Top 200. But the six-member band has built an enviable following. During a nationwide tour last year, it pulled in $8.5 million, placing it in the top 40 tours of 1998, ahead of such established acts as Sheryl Crow and the Smashing Pumpkins. In the South the band's pull has become legendary. Late last year, it sold out four shows at the 4,700-seat Fox theater in Atlanta in four minutes. R.E.M. can do that. Elton John can do that. Not many other people, says Edgar Neiss, the theater's general manager. The band's success illustrates the potential of grass-roots marketing, particularly when it's linked to the rise of the Internet on college campuses. Widespread's fans are reminiscent of the legions that followed the Grateful Dead, but the Dead's following was relatively spontaneous. As Jerry Garcia, the Dead's lead guitarist, once said, We didn't invent Deadheads, they invented themselves. Widespread Panic, by contrast, is laboring hard to invent its following. It has made its fans, who are mostly in their 20s and early 30s, part of the band's everyday life. Earlier this month, fans could zap messages to Widespread in a recording studio and find out what band members ate for lunch via regular updates on the band's Web site. Fans can even get free bootleg tapes of Widespread concerts by sending in a blank tape and a self-addressed envelope. As many as 100 fans take advantage of the offer every month. At concerts, the band flashes audience pictures taken by fans at earlier shows on a large screen. 'A Big Family' At concerts, the band flashes audience pictures taken by fans at earlier shows on a large screen. It's like a big family flipping through a photo album, says Bryan Walters, a 26-year-old MTV production assistant. The band's strategy was born of necessity. The six-member group met at the University of Georgia in the early 1980s. After college, they stayed in Athens, which is also the birthplace of R.E.M. and the B-52's, devoting themselves to the band full-time. Their Southern rock musical style is eclectic, evoking everyone from the Allman Brothers to the Talking Heads. Unlike R.E.M., which made its name by landing a large record contract, Widespread took to the road, playing small bars, mostly in the South. Some success followed. In the early 1990s the band signed its first record contract with Capricorn Records, based in Atlanta. It also graduated to larger bars and then to small concert halls. But radio stations were often indifferent to the band's music, and reviews were mixed. Vacuous, carped a concert reviewer at Atlanta's main alternative newspaper after one of the band's first major shows in Atlanta. To promote its shows, the band began enlisting fans, first through its newsletter and later through its Web site. Before Widespread Panic played Houston last year, Jody Harrison was one of a dozen fans who spent two days hanging posters. The 27-year-old sales representative for a computer software company hit the four bars where he knew there was a Widespread Panic compact disc in the jukebox, as well as a vegetarian restaurant. He also plastered Rice University, the University of Houston and Houston Community College. I was totally in awe that they would ask for my help, Mr. Harrison says. In exchange for his time, Mr. Harrison, like other fans enlisted to promote the band's shows, received two tickets and backstage passes. He eventually spent about two hours eating and drinking with the band members, he recalls. The band has adopted a similar fan-friendly strategy for the Internet. Dave Schools, Widespread's bassist, happened on a Web site developed by Brian Sofer, a 25-year-old fan from Long Island, and complimented the site in an e-mail. A few months later, he met Mr. Sofer backstage at a
Re: Ray's Tokin, obviously For the Good Times
Mike Hays wrote:
Oh dear! From "People Online" 3/24/99:
* ARRESTED: Grammy Award-winning country singer Ray Price ("For the
Good
Times"), on a marijuana charge, near his Texas ranch. He was charged
with
possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia and fined $700.
yeah boy, they got 'em another criminal that time. I can't believe I am
reading this in 1999.
--
Joe E. Gracey
President-For-Life, Jackalope Records
http://www.kimmierhodes.com
Satisfying that 70s country jones
Renaissance Records, a Tennessee-based label, has put out a couple of interesting collections - well, interesting to me, anyhow - that are worth keeping an eye out for if you've got an interest in 70s country that extends beyond Jones, Haggard, etc. I recently picked up two comps of material by Janie Fricke and Charly McClain, and aside from the peculiar decision to devote 2 CDs to the latter and only one to the former, they're very nicely done. All of your favorites - well, mine, anyhow - are here, from "Down To My Last Broken Heart," "Don't Worry 'Bout Me Baby," and "I'll Need Someone To Hold Me (When I Cry)" to "Who's Cheatin' Who," "The Very Best Is You" and "Surround Me With Love." And no, I don't care to look into the extent to which this is a manifestation of artistry vs. nostalgia g. Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
Re: glass houses:(was Re: boot me baby, but don't sell it)
Bob Soron wrote: At 5:19 PM -0500 on 3/24/99, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so now that i've been beaten up for my views on bootlegging, am i to assume that all those that have had a dissenting view point in one form or another have never purchased, or even traded for, such an item? just curious... Let me try to explain my vehemence regarding this subject... I produced an album with Stevie Ray Vaughn and Lou Ann Barton- two, actually, in 1979. Stevie and I parted ways when he went to Epic and I handed over every single one of my tapes to his manager. I didn't keep dubs or copies or nuthin' because I loved Stevie and I didn't want the bad karma of the temptation of a bootleg hanging over me. Now some dick-weed has bootlegged MY stevie sessions and pressed them and is selling them, apparently using a copy of MY mastering that I had given to Stevie and the band to approve. I cannot tell you how angry this makes me. I have no tolerance for this. Not only is Stevie's estate being robbed here, but I and the band are being screwed as well. Trading of concert tapes is a different thing, although as an artist I feel that I should have control over whether sub-par performances get out. Kimmie and I never sign releases prior to a show, only after we view the results, and if anybody were to ask about taping I just say "send me a copy of it and we'll talk about it" because in truth, an artist deserves and in fact owns the right to all performances. Because music or spoken word are ephemeral rather than concrete, there is an underlying feeling that they are less "owned" by the artist. This leads to all sorts of abuse, ranging from terrible shows passed around to laws passed by Congress taking away royalties for commercial use of copyrighted music. I view it as a matter of degree and intent- if you love somebody enough to want to tape them and trade tapes with other fans, great, but give the artist the courtesy of saying yes or no. If you are selling the artist's image or work without consent or royalty agreements, then you are stealing property. thankyouverymuch, JG -- Joe E. Gracey President-For-Life, Jackalope Records http://www.kimmierhodes.com
Re: Ray Price
Bob Burns/Big In Iowa wrote: My great uncle was a horse trainer for Ray. I wonder if he smoked dope to? I hope so. Bob no, but his horses all did. -- Joe Gracey President-For-Life, Jackalope Records http://www.kimmierhodes.com
Re: P2 Thanks and SXSW Highlights
James Gerard Roll wrote: My personal highlights were 1.) the Billy Joe Shaver Son show. I was a Shaver virgin and was not expecting the amazing Charisma and lyrical power that he posessed. Every word shook the earth as far as I could tell. That guy is a true poet and his band was so amazing they withstood a 10 minute drum solo!! By far my favorite set of music. I am sure there was more. But Shaver rules . . . let it be known. -jim Yeah, billy joe is the real deal. He is one of those poets who managed to slip through the commercial wall and get big cuts, but he is the farthest thing from a hack you could imagine. He is one of those cats who is so much himself that he sort of radiates his own wattage, on and offstage. My first brush with him was when he showed up to do an interview on my radio show in '73, pretty well drunk on tequila at 2pm (he has since stopped drinking) and wowed us all. Later on I noticed that he spent several days up on the roof of Kandy Kicker's house, clutching the chimney and being high on peyote or some shit like that, having himself a big ole time. BTW, I'm sorry I missed the dang barbecue and the fabulous Jim Roll set but I was unable to attend them items, to my chagrin. -- Joe e. Gracey President-For-Life, Jackalope Records http://www.kimmierhodes.com
Re: P2 Thanks and SXSW Highlights
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Re: Ray Price
Man, how big your balls gotta be to drive on to Ray Price's ranch and arrest him for reefer? Mount pleasant ain't exactly a huge town, and Ray Price didn't just move in. He's got to be MP's best known citizen. How the hell did this happen I wonder? Must be election time.. Joe X. Third Coast Music Network In a message dated 3/24/99 8:28:15 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (MOUNT PLEASANT, Texas) -- Country crooner Ray Price has been arrested on drug charges. The Grammy award-winning singer was arrested last week and charged with possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia at his Texas ranch. He was fined 700 dollars.
Re: Wilco's summerteeth
Bob Soron wrote: I swore Jeff Tweedy would never get another cent of my money. So far, I've succeeded, no small feat in the town he lives in. (I didn't know he was opening for Patti Smith, I swear. We only saw a song and a half.) If his experimentation tickles you, you're ahead of the game. I stopped playing, myself. Hmm, let's see. Somebody new gets on the list and, having actually listened to the record, has some positive stuff to say about the new Wilco record. The uninformed response is "I hate Jeff Tweedy" times six. Now *that's* analysis. Lemme know Bob, I'll dub ya a free copy. grumpy, b.s. n.p. Wilco SUMMERTEETH (and it's only just now spring)
Re: auction
Can you send me P2 email address to post stuff.? I don't have it here. to post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] How was the Dances of the Rivers? it was ok, I'm glad I didn't pay for it ;) who have you gotten responses from?
Re: Ray's Tokin, obviously For the Good Times
Paul Kirsch writes: PS I've discovered after listening to interviews with people on NPR yesterday that, if you are an elected official, you can say anything controversial you want publicly- provided you end your statements with the following: "...although I fully support our troops in Yugoslavia." Let's see... PARTIAL TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW WITH REP. FARNSWORTH MARCH 30, 1999 INTERVIEWER: TERRY GROSS (FRESH AIR/NPR) [...] Rep. F.: Why, yes, Terry. Since you mention it, yes, I did travel to Cuba three months ago and meet with President Castro. During our meeting he agreed that his government would join with my staff in funneling leftover funds from my '96 campaign into abortion clinics here in the U.S. In exchange I provided President Castro - or 'El Jefe' as I like to call him - and his senior military staff with detailed information regarding the vulnerabilities of our cruise missiles and stealth aircraft technology. And since you asked, yes, while I was in Havana I employed the services of several teenaged prostitutes of both sexes. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to come clean. Let me add, though, that I fully support our troops in Yugoslavia, and if I wasn't a card-carrying atheist, I'd be praying for their safe return. --Jon Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wollaston, Massachusetts
Re: Wilco's summerteeth
At 2:46 AM -0500 on 3/25/99, Bob Burns/Big In Iowa wrote: Bob, Well, I said I wasn't going to break down Wilco's new record piece by piece. Obviously you didn't feel the same way about my message. Bob, It was late and I couldn't sleep. But hey, y'gotta watch out with that polka stuff. Seriously, I should have thrown a couple of gs in there, but hey, it was late and I couldn't sleep. I do think that there's a few threads in it -- particularly seeing if there's a consensus on how far bands can veer from their "original" sound and still retain their fan base but for one thing, I've never liked Wilco, so I wouldn't be much use in that thread, and also, these days we'd probably hear this snarl that it's off-topic. But I'm sure not saying you're wrong. I just mean that, as much as your viewpoint is a corrective to detractors like me, the flip side's also true. Bob
Re: Cigar Store Indians
At 9:19 AM -0500 on 3/25/99, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone ever seen this band perform? What did you think? Didn't like the CD, thought they were pretty good live though. Worth checking out. Bob
Re: Ray's Tokin, obviously For the Good Times
At 10:37 AM -0600 on 3/25/99, Joe Gracey wrote:
Mike Hays wrote:
Oh dear! From "People Online" 3/24/99:
* ARRESTED: Grammy Award-winning country singer Ray Price ("For the
Good
Times"), on a marijuana charge, near his Texas ranch. He was charged
with
possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia and fined $700.
yeah boy, they got 'em another criminal that time. I can't believe I am
reading this in 1999.
The local paper yesterday noted that pot busts have been more numerous
under the Clinton administration than under the Nixon administration.
The "If you don't vote you can't complain" folks have themselves to
blame.
Bob
FW: Chat w/Jim Jesse
Could someone who has her address make sure that Dina sees this? g -Original Message- From: Bluegrass music discussion. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] MSN is having a chat tonight at 6:00 with Jim Jesse. Follow the links from: http://communities.msn.com/home/ to http://communities.msn.com/countrymusic/ to here, http://communities.msn.com/countrymusic/page-jimjessechat.asp then click on the 'chat' bubble to download the small chat program.
Top Texans (long)
I meant to post this article when it ran back in January in the Dallas Morning News. I found it again when looking for an article in today's paper that says Maria Holly is not only suing MCA but also two of the Crickets as well. I couldn't find it but thought I would post this anyway. Can any other state match up with Texas? Jerald Texas musicians whose influence helped shape the sound of the century 01/21/99 By Thor Christensen / Pop Music Critic of The Dallas Morning News Coming up with a list of influential Texas musicians is easy. But trimming that list down is like whittling a symphony to a handful of notes. In deciding which artists made the cut, we placed originality and artistic vision above mere popularity (in other words: no Vanilla Ice). Here, in chronological order, are the 25 most influential Texas musicians of the 20th century: Scott Joplin(1868-1917) - Though he was born in Texarkana, the pianist-composer bolted for St. Louis in his teens soon after learning to play the 88s. By the turn of the century, he'd popularized ragtime and set the stage for jazz. Blind Lemon Jefferson (1897-1930) - The pride of Deep Ellum wasn't the first blues singer, but he was clearly one of the first blues legends. He died at 32, but not before making dozens of landmark records that shaped everyone from T-Bone Walker to Bob Dylan. Jack Teagarden (1905-1964) - The Vernon-born trombonist was known in the jazz world as a hard-drinking hellion. But whenever he put his instrument to his lips, he made transcendent music that was inspired by the blues singers he heard growing up in Texas. Bob Wills (1905-1975) - The Fort Worth fiddler and his Texas Playboys performed musical alchemy - mixing country, pop and big-band jazz into a brave new sound called Western swing. T-Bone Walker (1910-1975) - His calling card was a somber ballad, "Stormy Monday." But "Oak Cliff T-Bone" shook up the blues and paved the road for rock with his rough-and-tumble playing on the electric guitar. Lightnin' Hopkins (1912-1982) - One of the most widely recorded artists of his era, the Houston singer-guitarist was also one of the most influential. You can hear a little of his country-blues in everyone from Buddy Guy to R.E.M. Ernest Tubb (1914-1984) - He started off in San Antonio as a Jimmie Rodgers imitator, but after a tonsillectomy left him unable to yodel, he carved out an ultra-blue country sound all his own. Charlie Christian (1916-1942) - The Jimi Hendrix of jazz. The Dallas-born guitarist almost single-handedly turned electric guitar into a lead instrument. Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown (Born 1924) - He shaped the sound of Texas guitar blues, but his impact doesn't stop there. An omnivorous musician who roves from blues to country to Cajun and swing, the Orange, Texas, native practically invented the word "eclectic." Lefty Frizzell (1928-1975) - Along with the lonesome wail of Hank Williams, Lefty's blue yodel is one of the signature sounds of honky-tonk. The Corsicana-born singer had a profound effect on the likes of Dwight Yoakam, Randy Travis and Willie Nelson. Ornette Coleman (born 1930) - The Fort Worth sax player broke new ground by doing away with traditional rhythms and harmony. He dubbed the sound "harmolodics," while the writers named it "free-form jazz." Whatever you called it, it was pure revolution. George Jones (born 1931) - With his rich, expressive voice and his thick back catalog of heartache, the Saratoga-born "Possum" is a living definition of old-school country music. Albert Collins (1932-1993) - "The Iceman" of Houston was a phenomenal showman who spent as much time jamming in the crowd as he did onstage. But stinging instrumentals such as "Frosty" and "The Freeze" are towering blues landmarks. Willie Nelson (born 1933) - Nobody's going to tell you Mr. Nelson is an incredible singer. But the Austinite is one of country's greatest resources, both as a
Re: Ray's Tokin, obviously For the Good Times
Bob Soron wrote:
At 10:37 AM -0600 on 3/25/99, Joe Gracey wrote:
Mike Hays wrote:
Oh dear! From "People Online" 3/24/99:
* ARRESTED: Grammy Award-winning country singer Ray Price ("For the
Good
Times"), on a marijuana charge, near his Texas ranch. He was charged
with
possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia and fined $700.
yeah boy, they got 'em another criminal that time. I can't believe I am
reading this in 1999.
The local paper yesterday noted that pot busts have been more numerous
under the Clinton administration than under the Nixon administration.
The "If you don't vote you can't complain" folks have themselves to
blame.
Bob
Could this possibly be partly due to the budgetary incentives the
prosecutorial machine now has in drug arrests.
Stuart
thinking about checking out the confiscated vehicle auction comin up here
soon
Re: glass houses:(was Re: boot me baby, but don't sell it)
At 10:57 AM -0600 on 3/25/99, Joe Gracey wrote:
Let me try to explain my vehemence regarding this subject...
I produced an album with Stevie Ray Vaughn and Lou Ann Barton- two,
actually, in 1979. Stevie and I parted ways when he went to Epic and I
handed over every single one of my tapes to his manager. I didn't keep
dubs or copies or nuthin' because I loved Stevie and I didn't want the
bad karma of the temptation of a bootleg hanging over me.
Now some dick-weed has bootlegged MY stevie sessions and pressed them
and is selling them, apparently using a copy of MY mastering that I had
given to Stevie and the band to approve.
I cannot tell you how angry this makes me. I have no tolerance for this.
Not only is Stevie's estate being robbed here, but I and the band are
being screwed as well.
Joe, that really sucks, and I'm behind everything you say. I've got no
use for this sort of thing myself. I have heard that in the case of the
one unreleased album I own, the artist (someone you've known for a long
time, and that should make it pretty obvious) was very frustrated at
the label's decision not to release it and made copies pretty liberally
available. Now, if that's true, hindsight doesn't help him much if he's
changed his mind since then. If that isn't true but some after-the-fact
rationalization cooked up by people in a position to know him down
there, let me know. (And while this isn't any consolation on any sort
of basis, my copy isn't good enough quality to trade to anyone else
anyway.)
It also sounds like someone -- either Stevie or his manager, perhaps --
may have considered the tapes a souvenir at some point, something to be
given as a gift rather than property in which many had not only a
financial but also an emotional stake. It would only be just for that
snake's skin to be turned into boots. g
Trading of concert tapes is a different thing, although as an artist I
feel that I should have control over whether sub-par performances get
out. Kimmie and I never sign releases prior to a show, only after we
view the results, and if anybody were to ask about taping I just say
"send me a copy of it and we'll talk about it" because in truth, an
artist deserves and in fact owns the right to all performances. Because
music or spoken word are ephemeral rather than concrete, there is an
underlying feeling that they are less "owned" by the artist. This leads
to all sorts of abuse, ranging from terrible shows passed around to laws
passed by Congress taking away royalties for commercial use of
copyrighted music. I view it as a matter of degree and intent- if you
love somebody enough to want to tape them and trade tapes with other
fans, great, but give the artist the courtesy of saying yes or no. If
you are selling the artist's image or work without consent or royalty
agreements, then you are stealing property.
I do have stuff I would never trade because I know the artist wouldn't
want it to be traded. Obviously, this implies there were folks further
up the chain who weren't so worried about that. I can't be responsible
for them, but I can try to have some ethics myself. Since I don't tape
shows myself (as I told one person offlist, this is pragmatic -- I'm
there to have fun, not to attend to the logistics of hidden recording
equipment), I'm a pretty small fish in a pretty big pond.
But I do want to suggest, and this isn't to contradict a single thing
you say, that there can be a disparity between what the performer and
the fan considers a terrible show. Let's take, purely for the sake of
argument, Kimmie. I've lived in two pretty good music towns, I've been
a fan since '90 ("Angels Get the Blues"). I still didn't see y'all
until last year's Twangfest. Now, I know that isn't from a lack of
trying on your part, but it still worked out that way. Now, that set
was a really fine one, and would have been even without the Magic Feet
of Tom Ekeberg, but even if you folks had thought it was a tough one, I
figure I would have been pretty happy. Now, I don't own a tape of the
set or any of the TF sets (I was counting on the official live tape,
RIP), but again, to bring it back to general terms, if there's someone
whose work I've enjoyed for a long long time and after many years I get
to see them and I end up with the opportunity to have a souvenir of
that moment, I'll want one. Again, I do respect the wishes of folks who
don't want it traded, but for myself? Sure.
Bob
Re :Ex-Husbands
Boston people: The Ex-Husbands will be making a rare appearance in town tomorrow night (Friday) at the Kendall Cafe. I think they're playing at 11pm, but come early, because the whole bill is chock fulla good shit. I'll be there giving away free automobiles. Jeff
Re: glass houses:(was Re: boot me baby, but don't sell it)
Bob Soron wrote: But I do want to suggest, and this isn't to contradict a single thing you say, that there can be a disparity between what the performer and the fan considers a terrible show. Most artists are perfectionists of one kind or another (it is one of the qualities that helps them get anywhere) so what they consider bad may not seem so to a normal human. This is impossible to draw a solid line about. -- Joe Gracey President-For-Life, Jackalope Records http://www.kimmierhodes.com
Re: Wilco's summerteeth
At 12:00 PM -0600 on 3/25/99, William F. Silvers wrote: Bob Soron wrote: I swore Jeff Tweedy would never get another cent of my money. So far, I've succeeded, no small feat in the town he lives in. (I didn't know he was opening for Patti Smith, I swear. We only saw a song and a half.) If his experimentation tickles you, you're ahead of the game. I stopped playing, myself. Hmm, let's see. Somebody new gets on the list and, having actually listened to the record, has some positive stuff to say about the new Wilco record. The uninformed response is "I hate Jeff Tweedy" times six. Now *that's* analysis. Well, now, I don't want to turn this into Postcard, but I think this is a useful distinction: I don't hate Tweedy, I hate his work. And it isn't an uninformed opinion; I've seen him in concert a bunch of times (Wilco and Golden Smog only; by the time I'd heard of Uncle Tupelo, they were touring with Michelle Shocked, whom I dislike even more, and yes I've seen her too, and that's most of the reason). Bought the records, saw the shows. Every piece of work he's done has interested me less than the last. At this point, I think that declaring I'm not much interested in his work is not an uninformed opinion. (And I need to say: I've got no problem with him, or anyone else, being a chameleon. I think he projects his stage personae very well. They're personae I'm not interested in, though.) I sure hope I didn't put Bob In Iowa off -- Bob, if I did, I'm sorry. (And with Prellboy and Weisberger both vouching for you, I'm looking forward to hearing you someday.) But Wilco -- no different from many bands here, in our genre and not -- started out with a certain sound and attitude that created expectations for a lot of people. The thread, to me, comes down to, how far can a band drift from its original sound before it just starts to drive those original fans away? Wilco's a great example and timely enough to be worth discussing. As I said in that penultimate sentence quoted above, if some fans like the experimentation, they're ahead of the game. It isn't that there's nothing wrong with it; it's that they're better off for it, as I say there. But this isn't a zero-sum game; folks who didn't like the new stuff as much as the old don't lose their right to complain, criticize, or sulk. Frankly, my investment in the band was so low to begin with that I'm more interested in the general issues than the specific. Im my defense on my tone, and I guess I should have said this in my reply to Bob, he did note that it wasn't indepth, so it's difficult to expect me to do so. On both sides, it was just another "Tastes great/less filling" call and response. And if it had been indepth, I probably would've deleted it without reading for reasons that have nothing to do with him and everything to do with Wilco. Lemme know Bob, I'll dub ya a free copy. This is the bravest thing ever said on list during two simultaneous antibootlegging threads. Um, that's OK, Bill. g (but seriously, too) Bob
Re: Top Texans (long)
Jerald Corder forwarded: By Thor Christensen / Pop Music Critic of The Dallas Morning News Wow, funny to see his name pop up. He was the music critic for the Cincinnati Enquirer for, literally, about two weeks. Just sort of vanished. I never did hear why. Dave *** Dave Purcell, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northern Ky Roots Music: http://w3.one.net/~newport Twangfest: http://www.twangfest.com
Re: Ray's Tokin, obviously For the Good Times
At 1:21 PM -0800 on 3/25/99, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a fanciful interview transcript that ended: Let me add, though, that I fully support our troops in Yugoslavia, and if I wasn't a card-carrying atheist, I'd be praying for their safe return. I know you're joking by taking this to its extreme, Jon, but as an atheist, I wouldn't pray for their safe return either. I'd just want them to return safely. (And I'm not a Commie or a pimp.) Bob
Re: Ray's Tokin, obviously For the Good Times
At 12:59 PM -0800 on 3/25/99, stuart wrote:
Bob Soron wrote:
At 10:37 AM -0600 on 3/25/99, Joe Gracey wrote:
Mike Hays wrote:
Oh dear! From "People Online" 3/24/99:
* ARRESTED: Grammy Award-winning country singer Ray Price ("For the
Good
Times"), on a marijuana charge, near his Texas ranch. He was charged
with
possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia and fined $700.
yeah boy, they got 'em another criminal that time. I can't believe I am
reading this in 1999.
The local paper yesterday noted that pot busts have been more numerous
under the Clinton administration than under the Nixon administration.
The "If you don't vote you can't complain" folks have themselves to
blame.
Bob
Could this possibly be partly due to the budgetary incentives the
prosecutorial machine now has in drug arrests.
No question. Also, the prison industry has become big business. I don't
have stats handy, there's a lot of big money behind all this prison
construction; the article I read yesterday focused on the phone
companies. It does put a nice spotlight on the answer to the question
"Does America have political prisoners?"
Bob
Steve Earle trade opportunity
HAVE: WBros "Words Music" promo for the El Corazon record. 30 min of the Earle discussing his music, other bands, and other stuff. Interspersed with new tunes. Very cool collectible piece. WANT: UT, SV, WT Form: 74 min CD-R with filler of your alt.co choice. Reply to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Ray's Tokin, obviously For the Good Times
The local paper yesterday noted that pot busts have been more numerous under the Clinton administration than under the Nixon administration. The "If you don't vote you can't complain" folks have themselves to blame. Bob Oh, I get it, you accidentally hit the send button. It happens to all of us at one time or another. Because heaven forfend we blame Clinton for his own policies, and surely we can't blame the people who voted him into office (and indirectly contributed to the application of those policies). It has to be the people who didn't even vote for him. Those sonsabitches ruin everything. Well now, that makes perfect sense. Lance, who would like to believe that if voting actually changed anything, it'd be illegal . . .
RE: Top Texans (long)
Hey, if you're going to take credit for those folks, you've got to take the blame for Houston native Kenny Rogers g. Anyway, not to take anything away from the folks listed, but it's too bad that Johnny Gimble was overlooked; artistically impeccable and enormously influential, as I've been reminded recently while rereading the interviews in Stacey Phillips' Mel Bay's Complete Country Fiddler. Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
Re: NATO bombs
Alex, Sorry to be rude but perhaps it would be a good idea to get your country's troops out of Kosovo. Milosevic is out of control and the only language the the man understands is military action. I was recently in Bosnia and Croatia and saw the lovely aftermath of the Serb's invasion of those countries. Not blaming you of course but your "leader" needs to be stopped! rebecca katic If you think that people have to suffer because of their leader than my answer don't have sense. I see you were in Bosnia and suffered but believe me i'm not guilty. I refused many times to go to war in Bosnia because i didn't wanted to kill anyone. As one India wise man said. Who is good to me i'm good to him and who is bad to me i'm good to him. If you answer with fire on fire how's fire gonna end ? And what happened in Bosnia is very long story. If you want me to continue on that please mail me privately. Let's not disturbe people on the list with stupid themes. I see you're full of hate but try not to think about stupid politicians and their decisions. Play some good music. I sugest you new Tom House - white man's burden. I'm obsessed with this cd last 2 weeks. I hope you'll be in better mood soon. Alex Aleksandar Lazarevic p.fah 80 11400 Mladenovac Serbia Yugoslavia [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.+381 11 8220 554
Re: Wilco's summerteeth (fans drifting away)
The thread, to me, comes down to, how far can a band drift from its original sound before it just starts to drive those original fans away? Wilco's a great example and timely enough to be worth discussing. As I said in that penultimate sentence quoted above, if some fans like the experimentation, they're ahead of the game. I'll put in my unformed thoughts on the subject. Wilco is a good example of moving to different directions, not only because of the change in musical style, but Tweedy openly talks about how he's not alt-country. I think that in the alt.country camp there's plenty of curmudgeons (nice curmudgeons) who won't like the change in styles, but there's plenty who just like all sorts of music and will be drawn to Summer Teeth or other musical chameleons who venture a little outside the niche. That being said, in Wilco's case, I don't know how much of a chameleon he's being. How radically different is Summer Teeth from Being There or even some Uncle Tupelo. There may not be straight country tunes on it, but I think he's always been a simple chord midtempo rocker who writes heartfelt, sometimes downer lyrics that are occasionally cryptic (though nowhere nearly as cryptic as Son Volt or Bobby D or others). With Summer Teeth he's spent alot more time on production and arrangements and he's growing (in his mind at least) as a musician. But there's some simple riffs and simple vocals that sound like everything else he's done. I like Wilco, particularly live. I like Summer Teeth a little, but I'm not that enamored by it because while he's being more poppy, perhaps more accessible to sell more records (Wilco may sell alot for an "alt-country" band, but they don't sell that many records in the giant picture), he's not that great at doing the pop arrangement thing. There's quite a few smalltime poppy bands I enjoy more (bands like Cotton Mather, Richard Heyman, and other "power pop" folks), but it IS interesting how Wilco combines this pop with some bleak moods - something alot of power pop doesn't do very often. My simple conclusion in all this is that Wilco will lose some fans, gain some fans, and have some fans angry at them for moving away from a particular niche, a niche that isn't that well defined anyway, but they're just a rock band - doing the simple, emotional rock stuff whther you like it or not. I'm in the middle. And Wilco doesn't care what their core fans think (why should they - they do what they want - and that's how it should be - although they probably cater a bit to their label no matter what they may say in interviews (I don't know if they're saying anything in interviews actually)) and if a bunch of fans don't like it, then don't listen to or buy the stuff. Not many bought Dylan's gospel stuff (though I'm a fan of Saved). Not many bought Neil Young's Trans - Neil is a good guy to look at - he's alt-country... and grunge... and occasionally techno... and just a plain old folkie... he's a rock musician that's all. And he hasn't lost too many fans it seems. So there's a few thoughts. Wilco can do what they want for whomever will listen - even if the end result (I feel) with Summer Teeth is a so-so pop record that's gonna be on alot of top 10 lists which will make me shake my head as I play Cotton Mather's Kon Tiki and The Orange Humble Band's Assorted Cremes (This record sounds ALOT like Summer Teeth to me, but it's much better I think) more than I do Summer Teeth. keep dancing, -ldk
Country Music mag's new format
Has anyone else seen the new version of Country Music magazine? It's now based in Nashville, and is completely unrelated to its previous format except for Hazel Smith's column. Rich Kienzle and Patrick Carr have been replaced by articles such as "Get Martina's Look" and photo spreads on up and coming singers (although one is Monte Warden). It's kind of a cross between New Country and Twang. ugh! jim catalano
Re: Top Texans (long) / Top Nutmeggers
Jon Weisberger wrote: . . . while rereading the interviews in Stacey Phillips' Mel Bay's Complete Country Fiddler. . . . which reminds me that among Stacy's current zillion projects is membership in a new Connecticut combo that falls in P2 territory, a sort of Patsy Cline-type / rockabilly / swing quintet called The Honeydews. The lineup is comprised of folks from other CT bands, including two Motel Preachers, two Bandidos, a Who Who (Kris Santala, a knockout singer), and Stacy on fiddle. Anyone within drinking and dancing distance of New Haven who wants to be updated on the calendar, email me offlist and I'll take care of it. Tom Smith (playing with them and loving the fact that it only requires 2 drums!)
Re: Country Music mag's new format
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone else seen the new version of Country Music magazine? It's now based in Nashville, and is completely unrelated to its previous format except for Hazel Smith's column. Rich Kienzle and Patrick Carr have been replaced oh god, I just re-subscribed. shoot me now. Tom Smith
RE: glass houses:(was Re: boot me baby, but don't sell it)
Oh, yeah, almost forgot... I've never bought a bootleg, nor do I solicit trades. I do have about two dozen tapes of live shows (I'm the guy Bob referred to in his post in this thread yesterday) by a half-dozen different artists, all but one of whom were the original, and in most cases the immediate, sources for the tapes - and I know because I've asked 'em; in most cases, they were given to me directly to illustrate some point or other we were discussing (example: I was talking with a member of Band A about a number written by a member but never recorded by them, that was recorded by Band B; he gave me a tape of a Band A show that had their version, so that I could check out differences in arrangements and solos). I have also, on a handful of occasions, made copies of a couple of these tapes for individuals I think I know and I trust. That's not a 100% reliable control, but it sure beats posting lists of stuff for trade with all and sundry. Like Nancy said yesterday, you have to draw the line somewhere, and that's where I draw it - and recent trade solicitations on this list from folks who pop up out of nowhere don't make me feel like it's a bad place to do so. Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
More cheap fares to St Louis
These fares are valid until 12am tonight! I also noticed many cheap fares from the west coast to St. Louis (rt about $200) at Southwest's web site. Southwest Airlines Click 'n Save Internet Specials athttp://www.southwest.com/hotfares** These fares are valid for travel April 13, 1999through August 4, 1999 and must be purchased by midnightPacific Standard Time March 25, 1999. ** Please seeOther Terms and Conditions of these fares at the end ofthis e-mail. St. Louis:$94 each way to/from Albuquerque$33 each way to/from Columbus$77 each way to/from Orlando
RE: Country Music mag's new format
Has anyone else seen the new version of Country Music magazine? It's... oh god, I just re-subscribed. shoot me now. Me next. I wonder if I can cancel the check? Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
Re: Wilco's summerteeth
Bob Soron wrote: At 12:00 PM -0600 on 3/25/99, William F. Silvers wrote: Bob Soron wrote: I swore Jeff Tweedy would never get another cent of my money. So far, I've succeeded, no small feat in the town he lives in. (I didn't know he was opening for Patti Smith, I swear. We only saw a song and a half.) If his experimentation tickles you, you're ahead of the game. I stopped playing, myself. Hmm, let's see. Somebody new gets on the list and, having actually listened to the record, has some positive stuff to say about the new Wilco record. The uninformed response is "I hate Jeff Tweedy" times six. Now *that's* analysis. Well, now, I don't want to turn this into Postcard, but I think this is a useful distinction: I don't hate Tweedy, I hate his work. Point taken. I was guilty of imprecision there. And it isn't an uninformed opinion; I've seen him in concert a bunch of times (Wilco and Golden Smog only; by the time I'd heard of Uncle Tupelo, they were touring with Michelle Shocked, whom I dislike even more, and yes I've seen her too, and that's most of the reason). Bought the records, saw the shows. Every piece of work he's done has interested me less than the last. At this point, I think that declaring I'm not much interested in his work is not an uninformed opinion. (And I need to say: I've got no problem with him, or anyone else, being a chameleon. I think he projects his stage personae very well. They're personae I'm not interested in, though.) Well, I get your point, and I mirror your feelings in that I see BEING THERE as a significant decline from AM. Dave Purcell said it best, there's not enough material on there for one disc, let alone two. Tweedy has been increasingly guilty of some sloppy, unfocused, flaccid songwriting IMO. But as you implied in your previous post, you haven't heard the new record yet. A new record which, BTW, has gotten quite a bit of publicity (as would any Tweedy-Farrar project in this little community) as being a marked change from anything he's done before. It seems to me that actually hearing the record might make you better able to critique it, and Tweedy's work. There is, I'll grant, a fairly rich P2 tradition of criticism based on track record and press clippings as opposed to what the records themselves actually sound and "read" like, (lyrically that is) but it's one I've never cottoned to or found particularly meaningful or interesting. you add: The thread, to me, comes down to, how far can a band drift from its original sound before it just starts to drive those original fans away? Wilco's a great example and timely enough to be worth discussing. As I said in that penultimate sentence quoted above, if some fans like the experimentation, they're ahead of the game. It isn't that there's nothing wrong with it; it's that they're better off for it, as I say there. But this isn't a zero-sum game; folks who didn't like the new stuff as much as the old don't lose their right to complain, criticize, or sulk. Frankly, my investment in the band was so low to begin with that I'm more interested in the general issues than the specific. Again, it seems to me that deciding whether a new direction is worthwhile or not would be best served by actual listening. Though I'll defend to the death your right to "complain, criticize or sulk" about the outcome if so. I might even join you. g Im my defense on my tone, and I guess I should have said this in my reply to Bob, he did note that it wasn't indepth, so it's difficult to expect me to do so. On both sides, it was just another "Tastes great/less filling" call and response. And if it had been indepth, I probably would've deleted it without reading for reasons that have nothing to do with him and everything to do with Wilco. While I'll grant that Big In Iowa/Cincy Bob (as opposed to big in Boston/Chicago Bob) didn't fill several screens with his analysis of SUMMERTEETH, he raised a worthwhile point about "experimentation" and fans response to it, and added that his response to the new record was positive. Forgive me for not finding any point in your initial response but "less filling." Lemme know Bob, I'll dub ya a free copy. This is the bravest thing ever said on list during two simultaneous antibootlegging threads. Um, that's OK, Bill. g (but seriously, too) Well, you were on record (so to speak) as saying I swore Jeff Tweedy would never get another cent of my money. and I take you as a man of your word. Thus in no way am I robbing either Reprise or Wilco of any money. And the offer stands...g And now that that website is down, you can keep having these arguments more often again Bob. g b.s. n.p. Joe Henry KINDNESS OF THE WORLD
Librarians Rule
On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Tucker Eskew fowarded: Instead, Widespread opted for a different promotion. Eager to get its name out to schools, the band approached the American Library Association about doing a free poster promoting reading similar to those done by R.E.M., Cindy Crawford, Mel Gibson and others in recent years. The association said no thanks. The band wasn't well enough known. So the band offered to pay for the entire campaign, shelling out about $12,000 to mail out posters to 2,300 libraries around the country. "The people at the Library Association still think we're a little crazy," says the band's agent, Buck Williams. Gosh, this sure made me laugh.. We librarians are everywhere I tell you. Without us the entire social fabric disintegrates. Remember what Yates has always said."beware the librarians". We have *our* sites squarely upon the industrial weasals at this point. But Widespread Panic.? Hmm, perhaps a Damnations, TX poster. However, how narrowsighted of my professional association.."sorry, you aren't well-known enough." Sheeshhow about a little outreach to those groups that are outside of our cohort group worldview. Regarding Wilco's Summerteeth..sonically, I think it's the most interesting thing they've (remember it's a group effort, not just Tweedy) ever put out. I still find much of the violent references in the lyrics disturbing. Viva le' pop! Gotta gobusy, but before I go. Fucking (sorry, but I'm excited) congratulations to the Twang committee. The V-Roys? Damnations TX (which I knew about since their appearance here in Oregon; explains why they signed my CD"meet me in St. Louie")?? Dale Watson??? You guys outdid yourself.man-oh-man. Now, I've just got to make sure I get in Thursday to catch those V-Roy boys. Thanks you guys, you are the best. The auction's a great damn ideaI've got a signed Dave Alvin poster that I'll be happy to contribute. The shirt remains in my posession. Sorryya'll. In the words of our dear Chris Knaus"Chicks dig it!" g Sorry for the multithreaded diatribe. Jerry NP: The Damnations TX - Half Mad Moon My favorite CD of 1999 up to this point.
TV
From RockOnTV: Austin City Limits (PBS) Fastball / Mary Cutrufello (04/03) Dave Alvin / Loudon Wainwright (04/10) Bruce Hornsby / Monte Montgomery (04/17) Hootie the Blowfish Friends (04/24) Bobby Blue Bland / Susan Tedeschi (05/01) Conan O'Brien (NBC) Susan Tedeschi (04/07) The Latin Playboys (04/15) David Letterman (CBS) Wilco (03/30) Joe Henry (03/31) Saturday Night Live (NBC) Tom Petty The Heartbreakers (04/10) VH1 Behind The Music Vanilla Ice (03/28) Duran Duran (04/04) Cher (04/11) http://www.rockontv.com/coming.html TWM === -- Tom Mohr usually here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sometimes here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Top Texans (long)
At 02:38 PM 3/25/99 -0500, you wrote: Jerald Corder forwarded: By Thor Christensen / Pop Music Critic of The Dallas Morning News Wow, funny to see his name pop up. He was the music critic for the Cincinnati Enquirer for, literally, about two weeks. Just sort of vanished. I never did hear why. Probably because he got the big gig with the Dallas Morning News, one of the better daily papers in the country (IMHO of course) although I think the music section is not as good as when Michael Corcoran was in that positon. Jerald
Terry Allen, not just the music
I read a lot of interviews...and a lot of Terry Allen interviews...but I
think this is one of the best I've read. It's from rolling stone
online. Make sure you read the part about the brands.
Steve
Southern Discomfort
Renaissance artist Terry Allen's
savage, frothy hymn for the end
of the world
When Terry Allen sings about
Jesus, as he is wont to do, he is
not one to mince words or tiptoe.
He worries little about such petty
distinctions as sacred vs. sacrilege
or piety vs. profanity, unless of
course such conventions can be
twisted around into a complex knot
of wicked wordplay. When the "Big
Boy" comes into an Allen song,
literally anything can happen: He
can save the world, raise hell,
share your beer or even carjack
you with a mischievous twinkle in his flea-market painting baby
blues. It's a stark frankness that simultaneously suggests a
detached but curiously amused agnostic, the Lord's old college
roommate or maybe the devil himself.
Ask Allen to lay his religious convictions on the Mexican restaurant
table before him, however, and he adjusts his shades, cocks his
head slightly to the side and smiles darkly. "I always say that what I
believe in is between me and the midnight hour."
It makes perfect sense, of course, that Allen should prove elusive on
so direct a point; any more clarity would fly directly in the face of
his
enigmatic esthetic. His catalog, reaching back to 1975's Juarez, has
been uniformly eccentric and uncompromising, savage and beautiful,
literate and guttural. His latest outing, Salivation, is a bitterly
ironic,
piano and steel guitar-driven soundtrack to the apocalypse, rife with
bloodshed ("Ain't No Top 40 Song"), heavenly wrath ("The Show,"
"Southern Comfort"), and -- smack dab in the middle -- a loving,
uplifting tribute to his late father ("Red Leg Boy"). Throw in a
nine-minute suite about a tragically heroic pedal steel player ("Billy
the Boy"), and you've got an album that could only be held together
so seamlessly -- and make sense -- on Allen's own terms.
"I wanted it to be fairly relentless," says Allen over a plate of tacos
in Austin. "'Salivation' obviously comes from 'salvation,' and with the
I, me, or you put in it, it becomes a little frothier a word. It seemed
to be a nice kind of parallel for that kind of rabid nature that I was
interested in dealing with in some of these songs." And despite the
many songs tackling Jesus and the end of the world, he points to
the atypically positive "Red Leg Boy" as the album's centerpiece. "I
think that idea of having a sense of who you are, and following that
to whatever conclusion it is, is kind of the salvation in the
salivation."
Though he was born in Kansas and now resides in Santa Fe, N.M.,
Allen was raised in West Texas and is regarded as a central figure in
the "Lubbock Mafia," a close-knit family of idiosyncratic musicians
that includes Jimmie Dale Gilmore, Joe Ely and Butch Hancock. When
the "atomic bomb of rock roll" hit sleepy Lubbock in the mid-Fifties,
Allen had a rare in: his father, a retired baseball player who was
near sixty at the time of Allen's birth, turned an old gospel church
into a dance hall and brought in touring rock acts of the day like
Chuck Berry and Elvis Presley.
"It was a time of record burnings, but ironically, my dad didn't get
much heat for bringing in these bands, because he was a sports
hero, he was a local boy, and people just somehow let that slide
by," Allen laughs. "It was the devil that was causing this, not my
dad."
Although music would remain an important facet of his life, it has
never been Allen's sole pursuit. An accomplished visual artist, Allen's
latest creation is a 3,600 square foot installation in the Houston
airport, scheduled for completion this May. "It's right in the center of
a terminal under a big dome," explains Allen. "The floor's like a
skewed map of the world, and Houston's the center of the world
with all of the continents aimed at it. And rising right out of the
center of Houston is this thirty-foot oak tree that I had cast in
bronze, and over each continent there's a speaker that's going to
play an instrument indigenous to that part of the world." The music
for the project, titled "Countree," was written and recorded by Allen
with friends Joe Ely and David Byrne.
Next up for Allen? Customized cattle brands. "I've got one that just
has the word 'irony,'" he beams. "And I've got another one that's,
'All artists trying to be God will burn in hell.' It's kind of a spiral
brand. And I've been thinking of doing one that's K2Y Jelly, or
something like that. Eventually, I want to have a whole bank of
them, and do a show with them. Kind of like, 'Have brand, will
travel.' For a flat fee I'll come and brand your wall or I'll brand your
car or I'll brand your carpet. I did my first brand out at Ely's house -
we branded half his house with irony. (Laughs) Highly appropriate.
We nearly burned down his studio door, because the paint caught
on fire -- but
Re: Wilco's summerteeth
At 2:18 PM -0600 on 3/25/99, William F. Silvers wrote: Bob Soron wrote: Well, now, I don't want to turn this into Postcard, but I think this is a useful distinction: I don't hate Tweedy, I hate his work. Point taken. I was guilty of imprecision there. A fine point it is, but like I say, we've already got a Postcard. I'm not a "Wuv Jay / Dump Jay" kinda guy, and that's the juxtaposition I reflexively have when I see the L or H words. There is, I'll grant, a fairly rich P2 tradition of criticism based on track record and press clippings as opposed to what the records themselves actually sound and "read" like, (lyrically that is) but it's one I've never cottoned to or found particularly meaningful or interesting. I'm from the "Doctor, doctor, it hurts when I do this" school. I've stopped doing this. And in my own defense, when a band can maintain a level that makes me think they're going to be interesting someday, I do keep spending that money in the hopes that finally this will be the one that doesn't hurt. But I think a track record of declining interest in both forms -- live and recorded -- means it's time to change trains, along with metaphors. Otherwise, you end up having to listen to everything just in case it might be good. I'm not utterly ignorant of the new one, though I probably wouldn't recognize it if I heard it, FWIW, having come across a track or two in a store and on the radio. While I'll grant that Big In Iowa/Cincy Bob (as opposed to big in Boston/Chicago Bob) didn't fill several screens with his analysis of SUMMERTEETH, he raised a worthwhile point about "experimentation" and fans response to it, and added that his response to the new record was positive. Forgive me for not finding any point in your initial response but "less filling." Fair enough. As I say, I should have sprinkled some gs in there, because rereading it this morning my goofy insomniac mood really didn't wander into the call-response stuff. And the offer stands...g And when I say, "Doctor, it hurt," your response will be? g No, seriously, it's taken me this long to listen to stuff I bought before I moved. (The stack of CDs I haven't listened to still goes back that far, but it's about half the size it was a couple of weeks ago, thanks to unemployment.) I know I tend not to like pop, having heard it most of my life, and if a band I tend not to like decides to experiment with a sound I tend not to like, I don't reckon they're going to cancel out. But if you want to donate that tape to the TF Auction, someone might take you up on it. Bob
Janie Grey
Hey all: Anyone out there heard of a band called Janie Grey? If so, what's their style? I have a desperate need to pigeonhole... Thanks Owen Owen Bly Ranchero Records Oakland, CA
digest request
Finally awake again after much-needed rest upon returning from the annual week of self-destruction known as SXSW and I heard I've missed a bunch of threads that I need to read. Could someone on digest please forward me the last week of digests? Thanks in advance... Stacey
Re: Librarians Rule
In a message dated 3/25/99, 2:25:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We have *our* sites squarely upon the industrial weasals at this point. But Widespread Panic.? Guess I'll have to dig out my Widespread Panic t-shirt to wear to ALA g Whoops! I'm not a member. Actually, I'm not a great fan of their music but I am a great fan of the people in the band. Like R.E.M. they put their money in things they believe in rather than fancy houses and jets. I'm proud of both of them. And were R.E.M. that famous when they did their "Read" Poster. Mike looks like he's still in major geek stage and Michael still has hair g Maybe I should have fluffed with this one. Deb Sommer
Fw: Chris Mills on the web
Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 4:55 PM Subject: mills on the web coming at you on the world wide web tomorrow, friday 3/26, at 3pm CST on the chicago tribune's Live @ 435 program (www.metromix.com) Chris Mills with Gerald Dowd and Deanna Varagona. An intimate afternoon acoustic performance for the whole world to hear. Please tune in (or whatever the equivilant of that is on a computer). love, chris
Erin Snyder
Can one of you Pittsburgh folks have Erin get in touch with me? Everything keeps bouncing back from her email address. thanks marie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wilco's summerteeth (fans drifting away)
Lowell Kaufman wrote: I like Wilco, particularly live. I like Summer Teeth a little, but I'm not that enamored by it because while he's being more poppy, perhaps more accessible to sell more records (Wilco may sell alot for an "alt-country" band, but they don't sell that many records in the giant picture) BTW, this Cd just entered the Billboard Top 200 album charts this week. This is a major accomplishment, especially for a cult band, and it entered in the bottom of the top 100, at something like 78 I think. -- Joe Gracey President-For-Life, Jackalope Records http://www.kimmierhodes.com
Kelly Willis
Last Summer when I was in St. Louis for Twangfest I heard a CD compilation in a local record store that included Kelly Willis and Robbie Fulks. Could anyone tell me the title of this? Thanks.
Re: Kelly Willis
Tom writes: Last Summer when I was in St. Louis for Twangfest I heard a CD compilation in a local record store that included Kelly Willis and Robbie Fulks. Could anyone tell me the title of this? Uprooted on Shanachie. JC
HELLCOUNTRY Friday 3/26/99
Howdy folks! Just a reminder of our montly soiree known as Hellcountry is tomorrow -Friday Mar. 26/99 at the Kendall Cafe http://www.thekendall.com in Cambridge, MA. The show is $6 and will get underway at 9pm sharp. The lineup is sure to entertain, and we hope to see you there! 9pm - Robert Becker (NYC - original Gin Blossoms keyboardist) http://www.hellcountry.com/robert_becker.htm 9:45pm - Grits (Boston, MA) 10:45pm - Diesel Doug and the Long Haul Truckers (Portland, ME)http://www.dieseldoug.com "..A great blend of country sounds and rock attitude pure down-to-earth fun." -- Casco Bay Weekly 11:45pm - Tar Hut recording artists the Ex-Husbands (NYC) http://www.tarhut.com I'm thrilled to finally arrange to bring the Ex-Husbands to Boston, they're not to be missed. Lucky me had a chance to see them twice in Austin, TX last week during SXSW and they had my feet wishin' I knew how to two-step and grinnin' from ear to ear. The Worcester Phoenix has nominated them in their best "roots" band category...go vote now at http://www.worcesterphoenix.com/cgi-bin/ballot.cgi Here's what the critics have to say: "If you like country music that's really country, check out the Ex-Husbands, a Brooklyn-gone-Nashville trio that sounds raised on chicken-fried steak." - Stereo Review "One of the best alternative country-rock bands around." - Relix "No pretense here, just three guys playing some great kick-ass country music." --Gavin ~ upcoming "HELLCOUNTRY SUNDAYS" at the Kendall. All shows are free with donations for the artist(s) cheerfully, and gratefully accepted and they start around 8:30pm and end by 11. 3/28 - Sean Staples (Vynal Ave. String band) hosts a bluegrass pickin' party 4/4 - Easter Sunday - no show 4/11 - Gilmans (Boston) 4/18 - Michael Tarbox (solo, of the Tarbox Ramblers - Boston, MA) 4/25 - Say Zuzu (Portsmouth, NH) Feel free to forward this email to your friends. If you wish to be removed from this mailing list just reply with unsubscribe in the header. We hope you don't... Hellcountry "supporting the Boston area twang scene" http://www.hellcountry.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Change in ListProc digest format (fwd)
The change will affect only a few people; possibly none of your list subscribers. Only individual subscribers who have their "mail mode" set to "digest" will see any change in what they receive. "A few people; possibly none. . . " in this case is what, several dozen? Subscribers using modern email client programs will probably be thankful for the change to MIME digests. "Modern email clients. . . " Gee, can they be any more condescending? Must be Unix programmers. . . My mailer handles the new digests okay-- not better-- but I liked the old format better. I'll be investigating that set command. Thanks for passing it along!
Re: Wilco's summerteeth (fans drifting away)
Lowell Kaufman wrote: I like Wilco, particularly live. I like Summer Teeth a little, but I'm not that enamored by it because while he's being more poppy, perhaps more accessible to sell more records (Wilco may sell alot for an "alt-country" band, but they don't sell that many records in the giant picture), he's not that great at doing the pop arrangement thing. There's quite a few smalltime poppy bands I enjoy more (bands like Cotton Mather, Richard Heyman, and other "power pop" folks), but it IS interesting how Wilco combines this pop with some bleak moods - something alot of power pop doesn't do very often. Yeah, the way in which this new record is "pop" is a bit oversold, I think, but that's coming from a big devotee of those "smalltime poppy bands I enjoy more". "Bleak" and pop of that style are strange bedfellows, though one of the best pop records of the decade, Velvet Crush's TEENAGE SYMPHONIES TO GOD, is lyrically rather depressive at times, as is a lot of critic's favorite pop name-check Matthew Sweet's material. I'm not sold, yet, on the congruence of the lyric bleakness of SUMMERTEETH with the relative pop sounds it makes, but I'm still listening and I'm still interested. BEING THERE had lost me already at this point. So there's a few thoughts. Wilco can do what they want for whomever will listen - even if the end result (I feel) with Summer Teeth is a so-so pop record that's gonna be on alot of top 10 lists which will make me shake my head as I play Cotton Mather's Kon Tiki and The Orange Humble Band's Assorted Cremes (This record sounds ALOT like Summer Teeth to me, but it's much better I think) more than I do Summer Teeth. Well, folks who like the new direction of Wilco who are unfamiliar with Cotton Mather (who apparently don't have records for sale in Austin?, or at least the stores I shopped) or even more obscure Orange Humble Band should certainly check out those records. Or the new Walter Clevenger, or the new Bill Lloyd, or... b.s. n.p. Bil Lloyd STANDING ON THE SHOULDERS OF GIANTS
Digest Format
Well, I for one love the new Digest format. I can scan through the posts MUCH faster with the subject in bold. John Holcomb
FYI:SF Bay Area RAB/Country Calendar
I've taken the liberty of adding a date in here. I'll be playing with a band called JelloHat (name created from the combination of two band members' names - Hatfield and Gelormini) at the Velvet Lounge in North Beach on Wednesday, March 31. We're not quite country - we have a saxophonist who's quite good - but it should be interesting. Unfortunately we're playing the same night as Hal Peters. Please GO to one of these shows if you're in the area. = From: Steve Hathaway ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Subject: SF Bay Area RAB/Country Calendar WEDNESDAY MARCH 24 The Chop Tops @ The Catalyst, 1011 Pacific, Santa Cruz 9pm (in the Atrium) The Haywoods @ Elbo Room, 647 Valencia, San Francisco THURSDAY MARCH 25 Sean Kennedy the King Kats @ Moe's Alley, 1535 Commercial Way, Santa Cruz 930pm CD release party FRIDAY MARCH 26 James Intveld/Red Meat/Bud E. Luv @ Transmission Theatre, 11th St./Folsom, San Francisco The Hepsters @ Murphy's Law, 135 S. Murphy, Sunnyvale SATURDAY MARCH 27 Bland Ol' Opry: Supersuckers/Gerald Collier/Wilson Gil the Willful Sinners @ Cocodrie, 1024 Kearney, San Francisco 9pm SUNDAY MARCH 28 Hot Dogs Hot Rods: The Stillmen/Rockin' Lloyd Tripp the Zipguns/ Gerard Landry the Lariats @ Bottom of the Hill, 1233 17th St., SF noon $5 all you can eat BBQ Darrin Stout the Starlighters @ Club DeLuxe, 1509-11 Haight, SF 930pm MONDAY MARCH 29 The Bachelors @ The Saloon, 1232 Grant, San Francisco TUESDAY MARCH 30 Hal Peters his String Dusters/Johnny Dilks the Visitacion Valley Boys @ Fuel, 44 Almaden Ave./Post, San José 9pm WEDNESDAY MARCH 31 Hal Peters his String Dusters/Johnny Dilks the Visitacion Valley Boys @ DeMarco's 23 Club, 23 Visitacion, Brisbane 9pm JelloHat at the Velvet Lounge, 443 Broadway, 9:30pm WEDNESDAY APRIL 7 Wildfire Willie the Ramblers @ DeMarco's 23 Club, 23 Visitacion, Brisbane 9pm Lucky Diaz the High Rollers @ Agenda Lounge, 399 S. 1st, San José 10pm SATURDAY APRIL 10 Sonny George Tennessee Sons/Rockin' Lloyd Tripp the Zipguns @ Elbo Room, 647 Valencia, San Francisco SUNDAY APRIL 11 Jesse the Moonshots @ Club DeLuxe, 1509-11 Haight, San Francisco 930pm TUESDAY APRIL 13 Rockin' Billy his Wild Coyotes @ Fuel, 44 Almaden Ave., SJ 9pm $3 WEDNESDAY APRIL 14 Deke Dickerson the Ecco-Fonics @ Agenda Lounge, 399 S. 1st, SJ 10pm The Rounders @ Elbo Room, 647 Valencia, San Francisco THURSDAY APRIL 14 The Chop Tops @ Moe's Alley, 1535 Commercial Way, Santa Cruz FRIDAY APRIL 16 Big Sandy his Fly-Rite Boys/Deke Dickerson the Ecco-Fonics @ Bimbo's 365 Club, 1025 Columbus, San Francisco 9pm $13 TUESDAY APRIL 20 The Hillbilly Hellcats @ Fuel, 44 Almaden Ave., San José 9pm $3 WEDNESDAY APRIL 21 The Hillbilly Hellcats @ Elbo Room, 647 Valencia, San Francisco FRIDAY APRIL 23 Hootenanny Tour: Lee Rocker/Russell Scott Red Hots/Paladins/Rattled Roosters/The Chop Tops @ Palookaville, 1133 Pacific, Santa Cruz SATURDAY APRIL 24 BR5-49 @ Slim's, 333 11th St./Folsom, San Francisco Lee Rocker @ Cocodrie, 1024 Kearney, San Francisco Deke Dickerson the Ecco-Phonics/Johnny Dilks the Visitacion Valley Boys @ Starry Plough, 3101 Shattuck, Berkeley 945pm $6 TUESDAY APRIL 27 Randy Rich the Poor Boys @ Fuel, 44 Almaden Ave., San José 9pm $3 WEDNESDAY APRIL 28 Jeff Bright the Sunshine Boys @ Agenda Lounge, 399 S. 1st, SJ 10pm Blue Bell Wranglers @ Elbo Room, 647 Valencia, San Francisco Cadillac Angels @ Henfling's Tavern, 9450 Hwy 9, Ben Lomond TUESDAY MAY 4 Cadillac Angels @ Fuel, 44 Almaden Ave., San José 9pm WEDNESDAY MAY 19 Buck Owens @ Bimbo's 365 Club, 1025 Columbus, San Francisco SATURDAY MAY 22 Deke Dickerson the Ecco-Phonics/Cadillac Angels/The Chop Tops @ The Catalyst, 1011 Pacific, Santa Cruz Please come out and see Hal Peters the String Dusters with Johnny Dilks at Fuel next Tuesday. This is the bands first trip from Finland. They have a great late 40s western swing/honk tonk style, featuring killer steel guitar from Lester Peabody. Next week's calendar may be late due to my returning from Viva Las Vegas and job situation. Hope to see some of you at Fuel or Vegas, Steve Hathaway San Jose, California [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: glass houses:(was Re: boot me baby, but don't sell it)
In a message dated 3/25/99 1:10:35 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now some dick-weed has bootlegged MY stevie sessions and pressed them and is selling them, apparently using a copy of MY mastering that I had given to Stevie and the band to approve. I believe the culprit is Home Cookin' Records out of Houston. Well known for it's blues bootlegs, they are calling it a LouAnn Barton album with the title "Sugar Coated Baby". The XL Ent. insert in today's AA-S said that "neither Barton or the SRV estate are happy about the album." Well, duh. If anyone has the label's Email address maybe we can mass-flame them!! Slim - lookin' for trouble
Re: NATO bombs
Play some good music. I sugest you new Tom House - white man's burden. I'm obsessed with this cd last 2 weeks. I hope you'll be in better mood soon. Alex Alex, if this was an unintentional reference, you, my friend, are a savant. Lance . . .
Upcoming Dallas shows
Is anyone going to be at either of these shows this Saturday? a.) Richard Buckner w/ Sebadoh b.) Slobberbone (in Denton) Which do you all think would be the better one to go to...? I actually got someone to work for me that night. God's been taking care of me when it comes to shows recently... -A/D
Re: Upcoming Dallas shows
*Sometime to Return* wrote: Dancer! I didn't meet you in Austin. Damn the luck... Is anyone going to be at either of these shows this Saturday? a.) Richard Buckner w/ Sebadoh b.) Slobberbone (in Denton) Which do you all think would be the better one to go to...? As interesting as the "who's mopier?" contest between Buckner and Barlow would be, g you gotta love seeing Slobberbone on their home turf. Wish I could... b.s.
Re: Top Texans (long)
Probably because he got the big gig with the Dallas Morning News, one of the better daily papers in the country (IMHO of course) although I think the music section is not as good as when Michael Corcoran was in that positon. Jerald the dallas paper is good but as conservative as they come and bow down to local big business like there is no tomorrowand the music section got weak after corcoran leftsome folks might not like mike but he had stylebyt then havin a style is not what the morning news really wants from it's writersimho anyway...
Re: ISO digital Todd Snider Blue Mt. trades
Bit late on this thread, but just wanted to chuck in my 2 cents... I understand the whole thing about artists' rights. I also understand a little about the conflict between the artist's creative process and the marketing of the "product". With a few notable exceptions, legit live recordings are released once in a blue moon not necessarily because a band don't want any more than that in the public domain, but because the record company would not "allow" them to release any more due to limited market appeal or whatever. I suffer some guilt pangs over my live tape collection, but I know my life would be the poorer if I had never got to hear Son Volt covering "Aint No More Cane", "Holocaust" or "Sing Me Back Home", countless unreleased Neil Young recordings, or the Dylan 66 material (to name but a very few) - the latter, remember, finally got released 32 years later, and I don't think this necessarily had a lot to do with Dylan not WANTING those tapes in the public domain. It's a poor 2 cents, mebbe, but it's all I got right now... Stevie
Howdy
Hey Don, hope you had a great time. It was good to see you. Looking forward to June. Now, how do I get back onto P2. Were you in on the plot to drop me from the list while SxSW had me distracted?
Re: Upcoming Dallas shows
Tough choice...I'd vote for whichever is less likely to be near you in the future, which for me would be Slobberbone 'cause I'm way up here in NJ where Da Bone hardly ever tours, but Sebadoh's putting on a hell of a show this tour too and down in your neck of the woods I suspect you'll see Slobberbone come by again sooner than Sebadoh. Steve Kirsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] * On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:00:03 -0600 (CST) *Sometime to Return* [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is anyone going to be at either of these shows this Saturday? a.) Richard Buckner w/ Sebadoh b.) Slobberbone (in Denton) Which do you all think would be the better one to go to...? ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: SXSW MOVIES of interest here
Mr. McConaughey was present--and played a large part in bringing the flick to Austin--Mr. Woody Harrelson, the noticeable Ms. Elizabeth Hurley, Ms. Ellen DeGeneres and pal Ms. Anne Heche, Mr. Martin Landau, director Ron Howard and (big applause in hall here), the irreplaceable Clint Howard. (Ms. Elfman was plugging the flick in NY). Interesting fact: I had a better seat than most of these people! Barry So Barry, what movie stahs did you see??? Was McConaughey (sp?) there for the EdTV thing? What about Elizabeth Hurley? Jenna Elfman? Did you invite any of them to Twangfest??? I need responses on this! dominick dan
Re: SXSW MOVIES of interest here
Ms. Elizabeth Hurley mmm...
Re: glass houses:(was Re: boot me baby, but don't sell it)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/25/99 1:10:35 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now some dick-weed has bootlegged MY stevie sessions and pressed them and is selling them, apparently using a copy of MY mastering that I had given to Stevie and the band to approve. I believe the culprit is Home Cookin' Records out of Houston. Actually, I think this is a different session they are pressing. I can't recall the name on the boot I saw of my sessions. -- Joe Gracey President-For-Life, Jackalope Records http://www.kimmierhodes.com
Re: Janie Grey
At 01:00 PM 3/25/99 -0800, you wrote: Hey all: Anyone out there heard of a band called Janie Grey? If so, what's their style? I have a desperate need to pigeonhole... Sounds like you got a gig with them and are trying to figure out what you've gotten yourself into. Jam band, perhaps? Jeff Miles of Music mail order http://www.milesofmusic.com FREE printed Catalog: (818) 883-9975 fax: (818) 992-8302, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alt-Country, rockabilly, bluegrass, folk, power pop and tons more.
Re: Country Music mag's new format
At 02:55 PM 3/25/99 EST, you wrote: Has anyone else seen the new version of Country Music magazine? It's now based in Nashville, and is completely unrelated to its previous format except for Hazel Smith's column. Rich Kienzle and Patrick Carr have been replaced by articles such as "Get Martina's Look" and photo spreads on up and coming singers (although one is Monte Warden). It's kind of a cross between New Country and Twang. Is there a good mainstream country magazine? Enquiring minds want to know. PS - I don't have a tape trading list. I'm too unorganized. I'm also too tired today to have a strong opinion on anything. Jeff Miles of Music mail order http://www.milesofmusic.com FREE printed Catalog: (818) 883-9975 fax: (818) 992-8302, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alt-Country, rockabilly, bluegrass, folk, power pop and tons more.
Playlist: The Boudin Barndance - 3/25/99
The Boudin Barndance - 3/25/99 Dan Ferguson WRIU-FM, 90.3 Kingston, RI Thursdays 6-9 pm Lots happening on the Barndance tonight. Began on a sad note as we remembered Charles Sawtelle of Hot Rize/Red Knuckles fame. Attempted to focus on tunes with Charles in the limelight. Did our annual Lefty Frizzell birthday celebration (Mar. 31). Also previewed Cesar Rosas' show at the Met Cafe in Providence on Saturday night. Lots of new stuff as well. Receiving first- time Boudin Barndance spins this evening were Pete Krebs the Gossamer Wings, Boozoo Chavis, the Big Bad Johns, Ronnie Dawson, the Backsliders, the new 6-song EP from Big Sandy the Fly-Rite Boys, a greatest hits collection from Rhode Island country legend Eddie Zack, and another new Norton 7-inchers from The Rhythm Rockers (purple vinyl!). Butt-Shaker of the night? Twin Cities rockers oughta recognize "Baby Baby" from Mike Wagoner the Bops. Onto zee goods Buck Owens, et al/ Buckaroo / Box Set / Rhino (intro) .remembering Charles Sawtelle Hot Rize - Leather Britches / Traditional Ties (Sugar Hill) Hot Rize - Just Like You / Untold Stories (Sugar Hill) Hot Rize - Walkin the Dog / Radio Boogie (Flying Fish) Red Knuckles Trailblazers - Slade's Theme / Hot Rize Presents (Flying Fish) Red Knuckles Trailblazers - Dixie Cannonball / Hot Rize Presents (Flying Fish) Red Knuckles Trailblazers - I Know My Baby Loves Me / Hot Rize Presents (Flying Fish) Red Knuckles Trailblazers - Trailblazer Theme / Hot Rize Presents (Flying Fish) Hot Rize - Hear Jerusalem Moan / Traditional Ties (Sugar Hill) Jeff White - This Lonely Heart of Mine / The Broken Road (Rounder) Hank Garland - E Street Rag / the Sugarfooters (Rounder) Earle McCourys - Dixieland / The Mountain (E-Squared) Bad Livers - I'm Using My Bible As a Roadmap / Dust on the Bible (1/4-Stick) Horton Bros - Out of Sight Out of Mind / Roll Back the Rug (Texas Jamboree) J.D. Crowe (Whitley) - I Never Go Around Mirrors / Somewhere Between the Lines (Rounder) .happy birthday Lefty... Lefty Frizzell - Look What Thoughts Will Do / Life's Like Poetry (Bear Family) Lefty Frizzell - Treasure Untold / Life's Like Poetry (Bear Family) Lefty Frizzell - Shine, Shave, Shower / Life's Like Poetry (Bear Family) Lefty Frizzell - Before You Go, Make Sure You Know / Life's Like Poetry (Bear Family) Lefty Frizzell - If You Can Spare the Time / Life's Like Poetry (Bear Family) Lefty Frizzell - A King Without a Queen / Life's Like Poetry (Bear Family) Lefty Frizzell - Mama! / Life's Like Poetry (Bear Family) Cesar Rosas - E. Los Ballad #13 / Soul Disguise (Rykodisc) Cesar Rosas - You've Got to Lose / Soul Disguise (Rykodisc) Cesar Rosas - Little Heaven / Soul Disguise (Rykodisc) Martin Sexton - Where It Begins / The Amwrican (Atlantic) Pete Krebs - Ashes Back to Vegas / Sweet Ona Rose (Cavity Search) Backsliders - Never Be Your Darling / Southern Lines (Mammoth) Jack Smith - Can't Help Myself / Can't Help Myself (Run Wild) Joe Maphis - Water Baby Boogie / Wild Men Ride Wild Guitars (Hollowbody) Huelyn Duval - Juliet / Is You Is or Is You Ain't (Sundazed) The Stillmen - Suisun Baby / Go! Go! Go! (Star Tone) Ronnie Dawson - Bobwire Betty / More Bad Habits (Yep Roc) Big Sandy Fly-Rite Boys - I Can't Believe I'm Saying This to You / Radio Favorites (HMG) Dr. Ross - Bebop Gal / Boogie Disease (Arhoolie) Church Keys - Hoodoo Say / Work With It (Norton) Jerry Coulston - Caveman Hop / Big Itch Vol. 3 (Mr. Manicotti) Mike Wagoner Bops - Baby Baby / 7" (Vee) The Gestures - Candlelight / Soma Records Story (Plum) The Weekenders - Rampage / Baltimore Teen Beat A Go-Go (Get Hip) Rhythm Rockers - Brang / 7" (Norton) Boozoo Chavis - Who Stole My Monkey? / Who Stole My Monkey? (Rounder) Big Bad Johns - The Bar I Call Home / I Will Be Good (Feralette) Jaguars - Exit 6 / Las Vegas Grind Part 2 (Strip) Burton Mooney / Corn Pickin' / Legends of Country Guitar / Rhino (outro) Enjoy. Boudin Dan
flatirons
I ended up sitting in a Target parking lot freezing while Radio Duff played 4 cuts from this band. And I just had to know who they were. Great great stuff. Finally he tells us who they are, also noting that 3 or 4 people called up the station demanding to know who it was as it such great stuff. The Flat Irons (?) from Portland Ore. Anybody know about them. Disc is called Prayer Bones, but I didn't catch the label. Is this available? Gotta have it. Stuart
Re: boot me baby, but don't sell it
I always find these debates interesting, as I've been a tape trader for about 17 years. And that's TRADER-- I've never bought a "bootleg" tape or CD, have never sold a tape, and won't trade with anyone who looks like they may sell tapes/CDs. Trading tapes has introduced me to a lot of music that I never would have heard otherwise-- translating into a lot of CDs that I never would have bought or shows I never would have gone to. I probably wouldn't have found this list two or three years ago had not a friend put some Uncle Tupelo/Wilco filler on the tape of a Jayhawks show he sent me. I hate bootleggers too, for a different reason than what Nancy and others have expressed-- by selling bootlegs of live performances, they're making me and every other live music collector look like scum, out to make a fast buck off the music we collect. CD burners have made it so easy for any spoiled frat boy to run some bootleg discs to sell for beer money that I'm afraid more and more artists who formerly encouraged or allowed taping to ban it. I love live music. I want to hear what an artist/band can do when it's just them and their instruments up there, with no Lanois twiddling the knobs or dozens of overdubs or pitch-perfecting software between me and the performance. I go to a lot of shows that come through the area, but Des Moines ain't no Chicago or Dallas or L.A. And until I hit the lottery, I can't road trip to even a fraction of the shows I'd like to see. So it boils down to a live tape or nothing. What's got me about this discussion is the doublethink. I'm not supposed to have this live music that I didn't "pay" the artist for-- even though I've bought the artists' commercial releases and gone to the shows, and though I didn't pay a bootlegger for this tape. . . yet am I to believe that the people so negative about taping-- some musicians and radio personalties, I note-- have paid for every piece of music they've experienced? I've got about 400 CDs strung around here, and I've paid for every one. Of the hundreds of concerts and shows I've been to, I've been on the guest list twice. So Nancy and Jon and Joe (nothing personal, you guys, I'm just wanting to make a point) don't have a single promo CD in their house, have never gotten in free to shows, don't have a few "live" tapes sitting around their house? It seems to me that it's pretty easy for industry weasels g who enjoy lots of free music to cast stones at a music exchange medium that they don't participate in. (And I'll join the musicians in their everyone-should-pay-for-every- note-they-hear argument if they join me in my campaign, as a writer, to close down every library, used book store store, copying machine, scanner, and the like, so that every person who reads my work has to pay for it. It's only fair.) Larry
Re: flatirons
At 09:18 PM 3/25/99 -0800, you wrote: I ended up sitting in a Target parking lot freezing while Radio Duff played 4 cuts from this band. And I just had to know who they were. Great great stuff. Finally he tells us who they are, also noting that 3 or 4 people called up the station demanding to know who it was as it such great stuff. The Flat Irons (?) from Portland Ore. Anybody know about them. Disc is called Prayer Bones, but I didn't catch the label. Is this available? Gotta have it. It's new and it's on Checkered Past Jeff Wall http://www.twangzine.com The Webs least sucky music magazine 3421 Daisy Crescent - Va Beach, Va - 23456
Pine Hill Farm House Concert Announcements
Hi everyone! Here is a list of the upcoming shows to Pine Hill Farm and the dates that you can start reserving spots. Remember that these shows have been selling out in about two hours, and I'm suspecting that these two will go even faster (judging from the amount of email I've received about them.) So, once again, please don't try to reserve tickets before the date and time listed. And in order to hear about these things immediately send me and email and get on my mailing list. If you aren't on my list I won't be able to notify you if there are any last minute changes. Oh, and thanks for coming to these and making them such a success! My website has more indepth information about these shows if you are curious. See www.topsoil.net. Upcoming Pine Hill Farm House Concerts: *5/8/99 - Alice Gerrard, Brad Leftwich and Tom Sauber - Oldtime Music Trio at Pine Hill Farm. Tickets on Sale 4/13 at 8am for $10 each. Here I have three of my favorite artists who play oldtime music. They have a CD out now on Copper Creek which I've been playing on my show since last summer. Check out the second half of this webpage http://milesofmusic.com/bluegrass3.html from Miles of Music to find out more about this group. *6/18/99 - Fred Eaglesmith at Pine Hill Farm (alt.country). Tickets on sale 6/2 at 8am for $10 each. Just so ya know, Fred will be bringing his band. Don't miss this opportunity to see one of Americana's best artists. Check out this homepage for information on Fred: http://www.panix.com/~tneff/eaglesmith/ If you don't know, or don't remember how these things work, let me refresh your memory. I ask a band to play in a friend's living room. The room holds about 70 people. There is no sound system and so the band plays acoustic. We do two sets, with an intermission where you can meet the artist, or just get something to eat or drink. The shows start at 8pm and end by 11pm. There's no smoking, everyone hoots and hollers, and everyone (including the artist(s)) go home happy. Email me to get on my mailing list. When I announce the show, email me back (quickly!) and I'll put your name on a list that will be at the door. No physical tickets are mailed. I'll tell you more about the money part when I email you the confirmation that you got in. Listen to Topsoil to hear more from these and other twangy artists. Cheers. Steve -- Steve Gardner - Topsoil: A Century of Twang - Sun. 12-3pm WXDU 88.7FM Durham NC and on the Net at www.wxdu.duke.edu * [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.topsoil.net *
Guadalcanal Diary
Hey, someone just told me Guadalcanal Diary has reformed. Is this true? Has anyone heard them? Tell me! Tell me! -- Steve Gardner - Topsoil: A Century of Twang - Sun. 12-3pm WXDU 88.7FM Durham NC and on the Net at www.wxdu.duke.edu * [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.topsoil.net *
RE: Guadalcanal Diary
OMIGOD - 4x2 was a way cool album - tell me its true! Junior Walker -Original Message- From: Steve Gardner [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 26 March 1999 14:12 To: passenger side Subject: Guadalcanal Diary Hey, someone just told me Guadalcanal Diary has reformed. Is this true? Has anyone heard them? Tell me! Tell me! -- Steve Gardner - Topsoil: A Century of Twang - Sun. 12-3pm WXDU 88.7FM Durham NC and on the Net at www.wxdu.duke.edu * [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.topsoil.net *
More on trading
Hi all, May I also echo Larry's post on this debate, but with a few different angles: I live in an area of Australia that rarely sees performers of the musical genres that interest me, because of the small population. Tape trading has introduced me to many artists that I'd never otherwise hear, and undoubtedly it has led to me purchasing many official CD releases that I would not have otherwise purchased, mostly through US based sources, because they are simply not released here. The seeming proliferation of bootlegging with digital equipment disturbs me too - I also would never sell a tape or CD, nor duplicate any commercial release. I don't think it's as prevalent in these genres as in others, but it does occur. I, for one, am appreciative of those bands that allow an occasional board feed, and/or condone audience taping. Equally, Nancy, I can understand your point of view. Using Todd Snider as an example though, I've purchased all of Todd's official releases since I was introduced to his music by a trader. I'd certainly never hear him on local radio. By large, I think genuine trading adds to an artist's sales, not detracts. Kerry http://www.tassie.net.au/~krichard
Lila kicks butt
Just heard Lila McCann's first single from her new album, and it's a dandy; lots of fiddle (the first time, BTW, that I've heard fiddle parts that so clearly reflect the bowing part of the "Bow Bros." - the fiddle section on Shania Twain's last two albums - sound), a killer pedal steel break and steel ending, and a very cool bass line - oh, and some pretty good singing, too. Anyone know who the pickers are? Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
