Re: CShelp for cracked vertebrae
Debbie: To fix the crack you'll need to supplement with Alta real food Silica (3 per every meal), magnesium, vitamin D3 and calcium. If your Dad is not on a good multi vit mineral, I suggest that, too. Vitamin C will help to strengthen the tissues around the vertebrae and the discs. He should notice a difference within two - four weeks. Surgery, in my humble opinion, is unnecessary - too dangerous for a man of his age. The recovery time from surgery might be the rest of his good life. A natural approach to healing this, I think, would be best. John On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.comwrote: My mom just called and my poor 80 year old dad has been diagnosed with a cracked vertebrae in his lower back...any suggestions on supplements that may help with the healing? Or is surgery the only answer? Thanks in advance folks, Debbie
Re: CShelp for cracked vertebrae
Annie's advice was excellent, too. John On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.comwrote: My mom just called and my poor 80 year old dad has been diagnosed with a cracked vertebrae in his lower back...any suggestions on supplements that may help with the healing? Or is surgery the only answer? Thanks in advance folks, Debbie
Re: CSImportant question about reducing atherosclerosis
Jim: I read Linus Pauling's work, the real alive man, back in the '70's. I followed him extensively back then when he had his cancer institute and was working IV vitamin C with terminal cancer patients. It's too bad Linus wasn't aware of prostate support back then. The two time Nobel Prize winner ole dude might still be with us. He died from prostate cancer when he was 93. Brilliant man! John On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com wrote: Hello John, Interesting data. Where did you find that? Thank you, Jim On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:48 PM, John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote: When Linus Pauling was 90 years old, he was taking 18 grams of Vit C daily. Hmmmnnn. In a urination test, he only urinated off 15%. Hmmmnnn... The rest wasw going to work... John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.comwrote: Read: *Practicing Medicine Without a License* Owen Fonrow Linus Pauling. Minimum 3 GRAMS C per day keeps the arterial plaque away. On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: Thanks for this link. I printed the book and read it. I think very highly of it. On Friday, Jan 1, 2010, at 11:18 Asia/Tokyo, Dan Nave wrote: Read this e-book http://jkant2001.tripod.com/EAT_TO_LIVE.pdf You would have to change your diet... Dan On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:02 PM, G Baldwin baldwin6...@comcast.net wrote: List members, I hope someone can help me. I have moderate blockage in carotid artery. Left ear pulsing sound caused by the restriction is very distracting and seems to get louder with time. Can anyone suggest a protocol that I could try to reduce the build-up in the arteries? I am concerned about a stroke. Any helpful suggestions will be very greatly appreciated. Regards, Gordon -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVit C increases iron uptake
Maybe you were taking the wrong form of chlorella...? John On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:29 PM, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: You're right Dee... I've always been a supplement freak, but when I got around to trying chlorella it put my head in the toilet. Tried it two more times, but it's just a no-go. Gave it away. Chuck Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy. On 1/25/2010 6:50:50 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote: Just shows really, that unless you know exactly what you are doing, it can be a very dodgy thing taking some supplements. I have been taking chlorella, vit C ALA and D3 sublingual, along with whey, and the last two days I have felt really unwell; so much so, that I have left off all supplements for a few days, and am now feeling better. I experienced the most awful bone-tiredness where I could not keep my eyes open; a couple hours after taking them; but could not sleep either. Also a disturbance of vision and subsequent thumping headache. Now I don't know if its coincidence or what, but I am going to introduce them back in one at a time and see what if any, have caused it. Maybe its because I take them altogether, who knows? dee On 24 Jan 2010, at 22:03, sol wrote: On the iron overload sites I have visited, the recommendation is simply not to take vit C with meals. It is fine to take vit C between meals away from iron containing drinks and foods. Info I read at the Livon Labs site indicates that liposomal C passes from the stomach or intestines into the blood stream and thus to the liver, where it is processed. If true, that means it would not affect iron absorption, or at least that portion of the -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBuying Silver
For electrode wire: www.atlasnova.com ode At 12:47 PM 1/25/2010 -0600, you wrote: Someone on here told where they were buying their silver and I seem to have lost that info. Could you or anyone on here give me some advice on buying good silver at a decent price?? I seem to always be making my lists and checking it twice and then starting all over. Does anyone else feel that they need s much but cannot afford to get everything you need?? Just occasionally order a couple of things; have a generator and guess it will do if I get some silver to last at least through the bad times coming. Thanks for all your patience! Leslie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShelp for cracked vertebrae
Comfrey ointment (comfrey knitbone old name)? Rowena John E. Stevens wrote: Annie's advice was excellent, too. John On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com wrote: My mom just called and my poor 80 year old dad has been diagnosed with a cracked vertebrae in his lower back...any suggestions on supplements that may help with the healing? Or is surgery the only answer? Thanks in advance folks, Debbie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #110 - unsubscribe
Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org Jonathan Chamberlain wrote: How do you unsubscribe? - Original Message - *From:* silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com *To:* silver-dig...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-dig...@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:19 AM *Subject:* silver-digest Digest V2010 #110 No virus found in this outgoing message Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (6.0.0.19 - 10.004.142). http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSarticle, Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant
The problem with silver chloride isn't so much the chloride but that people didn't know how strong they were making it when following that 1 PPM per minute rule that went along with the old methods and using a generator that limited current way higher than is useful for making CS.more to prevent fires if the electrodes shorted together. The reality is more like PPM per minute/ per minute and in 5 minutes you could be at 5 PPM or 50 and not know it, depending on how much salt. You have to retain about 3 to 4 grams of silver to turn blue [or grey ] Doing that with a *normal* metals elimination system is virtually impossible at 20 PPM and under at a *normal* 98% elimination rate over 48 hours. If your elimination system ISN'T normalit could well be possible to go Smurf. If that system is dealing with a lot of copper, for instance, and you aren't getting enough selenium for it to replenish the raw material it uses, it could be compromised. It's also possible to make clear CS at 50 to 75 PPM...even 100 PPM, IFFY, but possible and not likely to stay clear for very long. I once ran a batch up to to 79 uS [probably somewhere around 100 PPM] that stayed clear for 6 months, then went deep yellow and dropped back to 30 uS with no dropout or plating of the container [the silver was still in there]...and a few drops of H2O2 cleared it up again. Beyond around 30 uS, meters become useless as conductivity rise rate goes nonlinear at a constant current, slowing WAY down, while the constant current ensures a linear ion emission rate. IOW Just because it's clear, doesn't ALWAYS mean it isn't WAY STRONG. Another thing. If you put a small piece of copper in a batch and let it sit, it will pull every bit of silver out of the water in a few days..so..could it be possible that an overload of copper in the body was doing that..IN..the body? [And you weren't eliminating ANY silver? ] That may also have something to do with your circulation problem. Was it that, or numbness that made you *think* it was a circulation problem? Copper overload attacks the nerves..the Niacin may have flushed it out. It takes very little copper to damage a nerve, but a lot of silver. Had you supplemented selenium, [which is key to the removal of both silver and copper..but..is there a preference as to which goes first?] you may have experienced the same relief and maybe not gone grey. With so much interaction and possible variation it's really hard to draw any conclusions that aren't just drawings...but it's pretty clear that something wasn't **normal** in the light of many many thousands of people having NO idea what they were doing for 30 years, didn't go greymany using zero caution with NO clue and maybe 6 cases of Smurf. Virtually impossible isn't an absolute...it means highly unlikely...risk factor VERY low. But there are always those 1 in a million exceptions when no two people are the same. Caution and wind don't mix? The media doctored Stan Jones' photoscould'a done the same with Pauls. ode At 11:06 AM 1/25/2010 -0800, you wrote: How true ! (almost) Except for me, I have very few days that someone doesn't ask me why my complection is so gray. Back when everyone was using salt to get a yellow color I was making clear CS without any impurities as far as I could determine. After about eight years of regular use I have reached the point that my color has changed noticeably . It started with blue moons and progressed from there. To be very forthright and honest I believe my problem was exacerbated by my treatment of lack of circulation in my feet with Niacin which opened the smallest blood vessels and allowed the silver to migrate into my skin where the flush occured. As far as the Blue man is concerned I would say he fell into some Rit or some kind of food dye as Argeria only affects the head not the hands (other than the moons), and body in general. People denying Argeria just might be wrong especially those that tell you that the pure stuff can't give it to you as you would drown first from that much water--Well if you swallowed it all at once they might have a point. I hope someone pays attention to this. I've posted on this before with no one responding. Dave Summarised: If you cant do the time don't do the crime Or If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Marshall Dudley mailto:mdud...@king-cart.commdud...@king-cart.com wrote: The blue man has nothing to do with colloidal silver. He was taking silver chloride, which we all know will cause this condition, my web site was warning about it years before he got his condition. No one has ever been reported getting argyria from real EIS, although some of have gotten some gray fingernail moons. Marshall mailto:oasisgr...@aol.comoasisgr...@aol.com wrote: I understand, Now I am wondering if I should treat my mare with this or not ? I read
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #110 - unsubscribe
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Re: CSarticle, Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant
Until fairly recently, most of the store bought was MSP...often mis-labeled and can be several hundred, even a few thousand PPM. Misplace a decimal in the mixing of the powder with the water? ..could happen. Ode At 11:32 AM 1/25/2010 -0800, you wrote: Dee I started out by killing Lyme disease with chugging two pint bottles of Cs that I bought then taking four ounces of the stuff I made every twenty minutes for three days. That took care of the Lyme spirochaetes up to this day eight years later. Then I took around a pint a day from then on with no colds or any congestive problems at all. It took about a year and a half to repair all the damage done by 42 years of Lyme but I'm back in the condition I should have been in at 40 , I'm turning 74 in a couple of weeks. I imagine I have taken hundreds of gallons over that period. Dave On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick mailto:d...@deetroy.orgd...@deetroy.org wrote: How much did you ingest in a day Dave? I believe that Ode mentioned it is possible to happen even with the correct stuff, if the body's metal removing function was impaired somehow. dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSVit C increases iron uptake
Thank you Sol, John, group, for your info, especially Sol. I do not usually take more than 2 or three supplements simultaneously for the fear of them acting to each other. But iron overload is really scary - it even causes cancer. However vit C taken between meals and possibly liposomed is the solution. Blood donation is another (allopatic) solution. Simeon - Хостинг от 3.60 лв/м| Домейни от 17.46 лв/с ДДС| Сървъри, VPS от 48.00 лв/м с ДДС! 18 GB място, Неограничен трафик, Безплатен домейн – 6.90 лв./м с ДДС! 25 GB място, 1200 GB трафик, Безплатен домейн – 11.46 лв./м с ДДС! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Good Morning: Okay just got your message. I will be in Shrewsbury, PA on Friday around 9:30 - 10:00 AM (yes I drive over an hour to my vet because he is good) to take a few animals to the vet. That is close to the PA - Maryland border on 83 N. Don't know where you live? If close you could meet me there, if not.. I will wait then to hear how your beautiful girl is on the 12th. Good luck. She was lucky to find a good mom like you to take care of her. Weather here was awful. Glad we decided not to venture out on Monday. We didn't have any damage, just a little water. One daughter still without electric, another got water - another I don't know?? We were certainly more fortunate than most. If you ever get a chance, send me a picture of your lady. Prayers for her recovery, Bernadette - Original Message - From: oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 3:04 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Bernadette, I am going to wait until the vet / dentist see Fancy on February 12th. I will definitely get back to you. Thanks much. I am trying, also, to learn more about side effects. JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:28:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bernade...@pa.net writes: no charge - Original Message - From: oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Bernadette, what would the cost be for a few gallons, and how long would it last, administered to the one mare? Thanks very much. JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:23:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bernade...@pa.net writes: I live in Mechanicsburg, PA - about a hour away from the Maryland state line. I could make you a few gallons and we could meet. Bernadette - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:17 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth I'm in western Kentucky -- to far away to help. But we may have list members near you. MA -- From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth We're in Bear, Delaware - Near PA and MD lines. Where are you? In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:03:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: JoAnne -- where do you live? Perhaps one of us live close enough to *sell* you some CS to tide you over until you can get your generator and get set up. I don't think you're understanding the hundreds of dollars that you'll be spending per week, just to treat even one horse. Because we're talking gallons here -- and for an extended period of time. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:49:07 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth MaryAnn, I will have to buy some, initially, if just for this one horse. And I will certainly look into the home made kind, as well. . the unit you described. JoAnne PS .. I feel like I'm on my way to becoming a Homesteader :) LOL In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A..M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Purchasing Colloidal Silver is extraordinarily expensive -- commonly running thirty or so dollars for 8 oz. It just isn't practical to buy it for treating horses
Re: CSVit C increases iron uptake
Isn't it strange Chuck, because it is supposed to be a whole superfood. It does have chelation properties though, so maybe it gets rid of the wrong type of mineral i.e. iron or something - in some people. I know I have always been low in iron so maybe this is it.. dee On 25 Jan 2010, at 22:29, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: You're right Dee... I've always been a supplement freak, but when I got around to trying chlorella it put my head in the toilet. Tried it two more times, but it's just a no-go. Gave it away. Chuck Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShelp for cracked vertebrae
Maybe something like un-denatured whey because of the pure protein and also the immune system help because of the glutathione. dee On 26 Jan 2010, at 02:43, Deborah Gerard wrote: My mom just called and my poor 80 year old dad has been diagnosed with a cracked vertebrae in his lower back...any suggestions on supplements that may help with the healing? Or is surgery the only answer? Thanks in advance folks, Debbie
Re: CSOff Topic Mold answers from Mike Part Two
I have heard many cases of people dying from mold. Wish there were better tests for it, and better ways of dealing with it. If someone has an overly strong allergic reaction to it, there may be something that can help -- there is a new treatment for allergies, imported from Australia, that seems to actually cure them with one treatment. There are a few places around that offer the service, like Advanced Allergy Treatment Centers of New England. It is based on technology that has been around for years, but has been modernized now. The concept is to expose you to a potential allergen, then test you to see if you are sensitive to it, usually by measuring muscle response. Your muscles get weaker when your body is exposed to something it is sensitive to. Then when they find one, they treat it by massaging your spine, and the allergy goes away. It sounds hokey, but in fact it works. I no longer have my lifelong allergy to cats as a result of those treatments. One treatment, that's it. No shots, no meds, nothing intrusive, no ongoing anything. Very cool stuff. Dick From: cking...@nycap.rr.com cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 5:33:27 PM Subject: Re: CSOff Topic Mold answers from Mike Part Two Mike has a long history of ultra sensitivity to mold spores. It's truly a curse. Chuck Pride is what we have. Vanity is what others have On 1/25/2010 7:01:24 AM, Richard Goodwin (dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com) wrote: Either this guy is paranoid, or ultra sensitive, or onto something that might be relevant to everyone including us... - From: martsmai...@aol.com martsmai...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 11:02:44 PM Subject: CSOff Topic Mold answers from Mike Part Two Another thing I have found that is very important is to clean all the lint and dirt from your living area. Look under the bed and clean the dust bunnies each day. Get a moist sponge and run it along the window ledges. Clean your desk each day and any counter or flat surface where lint can gather. Vacuum the entire area daily. If you live in a house with a carpet, move. You need to find a new place with a hardwood or low voc tile floor that has a sealed basement that doesn't grow mold. This is not easy to find. Mold grows on the lint and fills the environment with spores. If your body uses all its resources to fight the mold when you are at home, there is very little left to handle the spores in the car. It is important to realize the biggest source of spores is the bedding y -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSarticle, Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant
I don't know what people can really say to this except what *has* been said. If some people take CS and they go blue or gray, it has to be something to do with their systems, because most other people who take it don't seem to do this. It does seem to be a rare occurrence and the possibility of argyria is mentioned in most articles written about CS, but because it doesn't occur often, maybe no-one has bothered to go into it in depth. I believe there is a way of reversing it using selenium and Vit E I had heard. Sorry not be be of more help. dee On 26 Jan 2010, at 04:06, Dave Darrin wrote: Thanks Max Couldn't have said it better. After three tries at informing of the possibilities and not being able to find the messages except in my sent folder I just figured that nobody wanted to know such a thing. Dave On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Max Sanders mazsand...@yahoo.com wrote: Krishna here. As I've said before - took EIS for HepC got grey , still have HepC. I gave it a shot and have used it since for other things.
Re: CShelp for cracked vertebrae
Vit C is indicated for stress also. dee On 26 Jan 2010, at 05:59, Annie B Smythe wrote: D3, K2, magnesium, zinc, boron, strontium, selenium, no more than 2 mg of copper to offset the increased zinc, just a little extra good protein. Eggs are a good whole protein source, and easily digested. The gelatin that Brooks recommended, but it can be gotten by making broth from chicken, beef, pork bones and scraps too. Turmeric for inflammation. It's less likely to cause side effects, but white willow will work as well, but it thins the blood like aspirin. So if he's taking blood thinners then it might not be a good idea. If he's injured, and I think a cracked vertebra qualifies, then the body is stressed and a good B complex stress formula would probably benefit. You might look at the bone set herb also. Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #110 - unsubscribe
Oh why Joanne? We will miss you. dee On 26 Jan 2010, at 11:20, oasisgr...@aol.com wrote: I, too, wish to unsubscribe ... thanks. JoAnne
RE: CShelp for cracked vertebrae
Will this help for stiff joints? My hands seem to be very stiff these days -- and would love to try something that will loosen them up a bit (they don't actually hurt...but rather ache and are stiff...no blatant signs of swelling either). Thanks for any advice. Lisa -Original Message- From: Rowena [mailto:new...@internode.on.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:40 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CShelp for cracked vertebrae Comfrey ointment (comfrey knitbone old name)? Rowena John E. Stevens wrote: Annie's advice was excellent, too. John On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com wrote: My mom just called and my poor 80 year old dad has been diagnosed with a cracked vertebrae in his lower back...any suggestions on supplements that may help with the healing? Or is surgery the only answer? Thanks in advance folks, Debbie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSarticle, Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant
Good post Ode, another to keep. dee On 26 Jan 2010, at 11:18, Ode Coyote wrote: The problem with silver chloride isn't so much the chloride but that people didn't know how strong they were making it when following that 1 PPM per minute rule that went along with the old methods and using a generator that limited current way higher than is useful for making CS.more to prevent fires if the electrodes shorted together. The reality is more like PPM per minute/ per minute and in 5 minutes you could be at 5 PPM or 50 and not know it, depending on how much salt. You have to retain about 3 to 4 grams of silver to turn blue [or grey ] Doing that with a *normal* metals elimination system is virtually impossible at 20 PPM and under at a *normal* 98% elimination rate over 48 hours. If your elimination system ISN'T normalit could well be possible to go Smurf. If that system is dealing with a lot of copper, for instance, and you aren't getting enough selenium for it to replenish the raw material it uses, it could be compromised. It's also possible to make clear CS at 50 to 75 PPM...even 100 PPM, IFFY, but possible and not likely to stay clear for very long. I once ran a batch up to to 79 uS [probably somewhere around 100 PPM] that stayed clear for 6 months, then went deep yellow and dropped back to 30 uS with no dropout or plating of the container [the silver was still in there]...and a few drops of H2O2 cleared it up again. Beyond around 30 uS, meters become useless as conductivity rise rate goes nonlinear at a constant current, slowing WAY down, while the constant current ensures a linear ion emission rate. IOW Just because it's clear, doesn't ALWAYS mean it isn't WAY STRONG. Another thing. If you put a small piece of copper in a batch and let it sit, it will pull every bit of silver out of the water in a few days..so..could it be possible that an overload of copper in the body was doing that..IN..the body? [And you weren't eliminating ANY silver? ] That may also have something to do with your circulation problem. Was it that, or numbness that made you *think* it was a circulation problem? Copper overload attacks the nerves..the Niacin may have flushed it out. It takes very little copper to damage a nerve, but a lot of silver. Had you supplemented selenium, [which is key to the removal of both silver and copper..but..is there a preference as to which goes first?] you may have experienced the same relief and maybe not gone grey. With so much interaction and possible variation it's really hard to draw any conclusions that aren't just drawings...but it's pretty clear that something wasn't **normal** in the light of many many thousands of people having NO idea what they were doing for 30 years, didn't go greymany using zero caution with NO clue and maybe 6 cases of Smurf. Virtually impossible isn't an absolute...it means highly unlikely...risk factor VERY low. But there are always those 1 in a million exceptions when no two people are the same. Caution and wind don't mix? The media doctored Stan Jones' photoscould'a done the same with Pauls. ode At 11:06 AM 1/25/2010 -0800, you wrote: How true ! (almost) Except for me, I have very few days that someone doesn't ask me why my complection is so gray. Back when everyone was using salt to get a yellow color I was making clear CS without any impurities as far as I could determine. After about eight years of regular use I have reached the point that my color has changed noticeably . It started with blue moons and progressed from there. To be very forthright and honest I believe my problem was exacerbated by my treatment of lack of circulation in my feet with Niacin which opened the smallest blood vessels and allowed the silver to migrate into my skin where the flush occured. As far as the Blue man is concerned I would say he fell into some Rit or some kind of food dye as Argeria only affects the head not the hands (other than the moons), and body in general. People denying Argeria just might be wrong especially those that tell you that the pure stuff can't give it to you as you would drown first from that much water--Well if you swallowed it all at once they might have a point. I hope someone pays attention to this. I've posted on this before with no one responding. Dave Summarised: If you cant do the time don't do the crime Or If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Marshall Dudley mailto:mdud...@king-cart.commdud...@king-cart.com wrote: The blue man has nothing to do with colloidal silver. He was taking silver chloride, which we all know will cause this condition, my web site was warning about it years before he got his condition. No one has ever been reported getting argyria from real EIS, although some of have gotten some gray fingernail moons.
Re: CSarticle, Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant
Thanks Max Couldn't have said it better. After three tries at informing of the possibilities and not being able to find the messages except in my sent folder I just figured that nobody wanted to know such a thing. Dave Hey Dave, If you sent messages to the list that didn't post, it was not because I stopped them. Either you weren't subscribed at the time or not with the address you sent them from (unlikely if you were receiving messages), they disappeared into the ether for no good reason, or they were too big for the very restrictive message size limit (18k). That, unfortunately is a silent failure; the list server does not auto- respond. I often let people know their messages are too big and how to easily trim or reformat and re-send, but there have been periods of months at a time in recent years when I've not been able to give enough attention to the job to catch those cases and respond individually to each one. I've had to defend folks making argyria reports a couple of times. It's hard for some to hear and natural for them to be suspicious. We need to hear these reports, though. The reception you and Max are getting today is what I expect of the group. You'll be asked to give details and answer questions; I expect everyone to listen respectfully, assess the data and learn. Thanks for being persistent. Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOff Topic Mold answers from Mike Part Two
I am using Real Time /www.realtimelab.com/ with Dr. Hooper, Dallas Texas for testing , Marty In a message dated 1/26/2010 7:15:35 A.M. Central Standard Time, dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com writes: I have heard many cases of people dying from mold. Wish there were better tests for it, and better ways of dealing with it. If someone has an overly strong allergic reaction to it, there may be something that can help -- there is a new treatment for allergies, imported from Australia, that seems to actually cure them with one treatment. There are a few places around that offer the service, like Advanced Allergy Treatment Centers of New England. It is based on technology that has been around for years, but has been modernized now. The concept is to expose you to a potential allergen, then test you to see if you are sensitive to it, usually by measuring muscle response. Your muscles get weaker when your body is exposed to something it is sensitive to. Then when they find one, they treat it by massaging your spine, and the allergy goes away. It sounds hokey, but in fact it works. I no longer have my lifelong allergy to cats as a result of those treatments. One treatment, that's it. No shots, no meds, nothing intrusive, no ongoing anything. Very cool stuff. Dick From: cking...@nycap.rr.com cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 5:33:27 PM Subject: Re: CSOff Topic Mold answers from Mike Part Two Mike has a long history of ultra sensitivity to mold spores. It's truly a curse. Chuck Pride is what we have. Vanity is what others have On 1/25/2010 7:01:24 AM, Richard Goodwin (_dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com_ (mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com) ) wrote: Either this guy is paranoid, or ultra sensitive, or onto something that might be relevant to everyone including us... - From: _martsmai...@aol.com_ (mailto:martsmai...@aol.com) _martsmai...@aol.com_ (mailto:martsmai...@aol.com) To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 11:02:44 PM Subject: CSOff Topic Mold answers from Mike Part Two Another thing I have found that is very important is to clean all the lint and dirt from your living area. Look under the bed and clean the dust bunnies each day. Get a moist sponge and run it along the window ledges. Clean your desk each day and any counter or flat surface where lint can gather. Vacuum the entire area daily. If you live in a house with a carpet, move. You need to find a new place with a hardwood or low voc tile floor that has a sealed basement that doesn't grow mold. This is not easy to find. Mold grows on the lint and fills the environment with spores. If your body uses all its resources to fight the mold when you are at home, there is very little left to handle the spores in the car. It is important to realize the biggest source of spores is the bedding y -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: _http://silverlist.org_ (http://silverlist.org/) To post, address your message to: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Address Off-Topic messages to: _silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com) The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour _mdev...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com)
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Dear JoAnne, You wrote: I am trying, also, to learn more about side effects. Before you abandon the field in confusion, please hear the answer to your question. Are side effects possible from silver products? Yes. One possible side effect is common to any treatment that can kill germs; the Jarisch Herxheimer reaction. Take somebody who's really sick, give them some treatment that kills a lot of germs really fast, the toxins from those dead germs get dumped into their system all at once and can kill them. That's how the doctors involved in the discovery of 'Herx' effect figured out what was happening -- they were accidentally killing off their syphilis patients using some of the first effective antibiotic treatments. Learning from their experience, we now know to start slow, ramp up the dose until symptoms just start, and manage them by modulating intake. Symptoms are usually described as flu-like, and are seldom serious. If you talk to people who've been fighting Lyme disease, you'll discover they rate the success of a treatment modality by whether they get a herx or not. They see it as a sign of progress. Obviously, in a veterinary context, you'll have to watch for signs of distress, monitor temperature and other vitals, etc., just as you do with any other treatment. The other main side effect, which is being discussed right now, is argyria. Argyria is a blue to grey discoloration of the skin or other organs caused by silver particles becoming trapped in the tissues. Upon exposure to sunlight, the color 'develops' much like it does in photographic film processes. The really celebrated cases, Rosemary Jacobs, the senate candidate from Montana a few year back, last year's blue man... all of these have in common using high concentration silver preparations, particularly featuring silver salts of one form or another. In Rosemary's case, it was very potent prescription nose drops she got back in the 1950's. The other two made their own CS using horrible methods taken to an extreme... Basically, use tap water or added salt to speed up the reaction, brew 'til you have a container full of murky gunk, and drink a bunch every day for a year or three. Commercial products have caused a number of cases; 'WaterOZ' which turned out to be high concentration silver citrate, I believe, and various mild silver protein preparations are on the list. The stuff most of us make is less than 20 ppm and contains silver ions and particles, water and, at most, negligible amounts of anything else. In order to consume enough total silver to get in the range of what is considered necessary to cause argyria would require a person to consume tens of gallons. You would also need to consume it fast enough to swamp the body's elimination channels in order for that amount to actually be retained. Here are some example numbers: Taking a pint per day would have you consuming more than 45 gallons in a year. At 20 ppm, that would be a bit over 3 and a half grams of silver. If all were retained, that might be enough to start you down the road to argyria. You'd only take anywhere near that much if you were fighting something pretty serious... Dave's case clearly falls in this general category. Taking a pint or two per day for a few days or weeks, isn't going to be enough. A swallow every other day is not going to do it either. If you decide to take substantial amounts for an extended period, supplemental selenium is a good idea to replenish the eliminative channels so your body can keep ahead of it. There are a number of reports of successful reversals of argyria using carefully designed aggressive supplement regimens, plus progress being reported on a laser-based treatment for directly reducing or eliminating the pigmentation in the skin. So there is even hope that wasn't there a few years ago. Now, JoAnne, you're patient is your mare. Is it safe to give her CS? At least one person here has said they've done it with good effect and no problems. That's probably as specific an answer as you're going to be able to find. Most of what we have to go on is direct experience of that sort, given that none of us have the money to sponsor extensive studies, and the people that do don't want the competition from something as cheap and easy as silver. For people, of course a cosmetically significant condition like argyria is a serious matter, even though it is not otherwise health- threatening. The disfigurement can have severe repercussions on quality of life, self esteem, employment, relationships... In your case, even in the worst case of severe argyria, however unlikely, you'll have to ask yourself if it would be an acceptable consequence if it helped you save your horse's life. Silver is a useful tool. Like any other, there are risks to go along with the strengths. As with everything we do with alternative health and medicine, it's a do-it-yourself project. We are
Re: CSarticle, Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant
Can you elaborate? How much did you take for what length of time? How was it made, and what ppm? What areas turned gray? Were you supplementing with Vitamin E and/or selenium? Marshall Max Sanders wrote: Krishna here. As I've said before - took EIS for HepC got grey , still have HepC. I gave it a shot and have used it since for other things. I was quite disappointed by the general list response, prior, that my and others experience were dismissed (must of been other compounds involved, and/or the equally unprovable elimination physiology impaired), ignored, or spun (another personal responsibility bucket story, which is entirely lacking a responsible attitude). I still advise a more open response that includes the possibilty of argyria to all who inquire along with the usual helpful info re EIS use and production. Otherwise, there is still some fine folks here and great info, though I am quite serious about this disclosure issue. One more item. The milkmaids do prefer my previous rich blue tone to the present grey. My wife is at peace with my color and the near absence of milkmaids. --- On *Mon, 1/25/10, Dave Darrin /davedar...@gmail.com/* wrote: From: Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CSarticle, Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:46 PM WOW that's fine but my wife probably wouldn't like it. Dave On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com /mc/compose?to=bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: Krishna is shown as having a blue skin, and he was very popular with the Gopis (milkmaids). You may have to move to India though. (Sorry Mike D - religion and all that...) Dan On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com /mc/compose?to=dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com wrote: After your other reply, though, it seems to me that if you took that much silver for that many years, and you are just getting a little grayish at this age, I guess I won't worry too much about it. Hey, maybe gray or blue will come into vogue, and then we'll get all the girls! :-) Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com /mc/compose?to=silver-l...@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com /mc/compose?to=silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com /mc/compose?to=mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShelp for cracked vertebrae: magnets and frequencies
Another possibility: magnets. www.BiomagScience.net http://www.BiomagScience.net Also: Healing frequencies for fractures on Frex program available for free download from www.heal-me.com.au Experimental 50Hz and 100Hz has also displayed assistance in healing bone fractures and breaks. cafl frequencies: 220, 230, 1, 880, 787, 727, Comfrey ointment (comfrey knitbone old name)? Rowena My mom just called and my poor 80 year old dad has been diagnosed with a cracked vertebrae in his lower back...any suggestions on supplements that may help with the healing? Or is surgery the only answer? Thanks in advance folks, Debbie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShelp for cracked vertebrae - Lisa, Joints etc
Comfrey is the prime first aid remedy. When applied to the skin allantoin diffuses easily into the underlying tissues so that when applied over a fractured bone it can accelerate healing and closure. Applied fresh to wounds, sores or ulcers http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/ulcers.htm, the mucilage in the roots or leaves seeps out onto the injured skin, dries and then thickens and contracts, drawing the sides of the wound together, inhibiting infection http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/infection.htm. Where the wound is fairly superficial comfrey will heal the skin with little scarring http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/scarring.htm. A poultice or ointment can be used for bruises http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/bruising.htm, sprains and strains http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/sprains_strains.htm, gout http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/gout.htm, arthritis, bleeding piles, varicose veins http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/varicose_veins.htm, phlebitis, and ulcers, swellings and burns http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/burns.htm. A decoction of the root or infusion of the leaves makes a good eyewash for sore, inflamed eyes and a wash for skin problems http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/skin_problems.htm such as psoriasis http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/psoriasis.htm, eczema http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/eczema.htm, acne http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/acne.htm, and boils http://www.herbs2000.com/kids/boils.htm. The leaves have healing properties and a particular affinity with the respiratory, digestive and urinary systems. Comfrey is used for sore throats http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/sore_throat.htm and laryngitis http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/laryngitis.htm, as a soothing expectorant for dry coughs http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/cough.htm, pleurisy http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/pleurisy.htm and bronchitis http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/bronchitis.htm. In the gut comfrey soothes and heals gastritis, gastric and duodenal ulcers and can be used to reduce irritation causing diarrhea http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/diarrhea.htm, dysentery http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/dysentery.htm and ulcerative colitis http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/colitis.htm. In the urinary system comfrey relaxes urinary spasm, soothes cystitis and clears irritation and infection. Comfrey is taken for gout and arthritis http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/arthritis.htm, as well as other painful or inflamed conditions such as tendinitis http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/tendinitis.htm, sprains, and fractures. Comfrey's ability to promote the healing of bruises, sprains, fractures, and broken bones has been known for thousands of years. Comfrey encourages ligaments and bones to knit together firmly. A comfrey compress applied immediately to a sprained ankle can significantly reduce the severity of the injury. The combination of tannins, and mucilage helps to soothe bruises and scrapes http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/cuts.htm. *Skin problems* - Comfrey oil or ointment is used to treat acne http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/acne.htm and boils and to relieve psoriasis. Comfrey is also valuable in the treatment of scars. *Other Uses* - Hantavirus http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/hantavirus.htm, Housemaid's knee http://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/housemaids_knee.htm. The principal ingredient allantoin works to promote the healing of tissues within the body. It is complemented by the rosmarinic acid, an anti-inflammatory agent. The mucilage is demulcent and works to soothe irritative conditions, both internally and externally. The tannins act as an astringent. The pyrrolizidine alkaloids are thought to be damaging to the liver. These pyrrolizidine alkaloids are mainly concentrated in the root of the plant, and therefore there is common agreement by the main bodies of herbal practitioners that this should not be taken internally. It has, however, also been substantiated that the leaf does not present this problem, and may be taken internally under the guidance of a qualified herbal or medical practitioner. Both the leaf and the root can be safely used externally. Dioscorides, author of one of the oldest herbal texts, ‘Materia Medica’ of 50 AD, prescribed the plant to heal wounds and broken bones.The genus name symphytum means to heal together, and for this use, it is renown: that it can assist the body to heal any part that is torn or broken, which also explains the reason for another common name, knitbone. Leaves or roots applied as a wash, poultice or ointment are used for bruising, sciatica, boils, rheumatism, neuralgia, varicose veins, bed sores, wounds, ulcers, insect bites, tumours, muscular pain, pulled tendons, gangrene, shingles and dermatological conditions. Internally, comfrey has been used for: indigestion, stomach and bowel problems, excessive menstrual flow, hoarseness, periodontal diseases,
Re: CShelp for cracked vertebrae - Lisa - more on comfrey
In old English Dr. Kirschner used comfrey in his medical practice to promote the healing of ulcers and wounds. He traces the history of comfrey back to 1568 and W. Turner's Herball which said of Comfrey Symphytum, the rootes are good if they be broken and dronken for them that spitte blood, and are bursten. The same, layd to, are good to glewe together freshe woundes. They are good to be layd to inflammation... He then cites Gerard's 1597 Herball, which indicated comfrey for ulcers of the lungs and ulcers of the kidneys, and Parkinson's 1640 Theatrum Botanicum: The rootes of Comfrey, taken fresh, beaten small, spread upon leather, and laid upon any place troubled with the gout, doe presently give ease of the paines and applied in the same manner, giveth ease to pained joynts, and profiteth very much for running and moist ulcers, gangrenes, mortifications and the like. Culpepper says: 'The great Comfrey (great to distinguish it from the Middle Comfrey - another name for the Bugle) restrains spitting of blood. The root boiled in water or wine and the decoction drank, heals inward hurts, bruises, wounds and ulcers of the lungs, and causes the phlegm that oppresses him to be casily spit forth A syrup made there of is very effectual in inward hurts, and the distilled water for the same purpose also, and for outward wounds or sores in the fleshy or sinewy parts of the body, and to abate the fits of agues and to allay the sharpness of humours. A decoction of the leaves is good for those purposes, but not so effectual as the roots. The roots being outwardly applied cure fresh wounds or cuts immediately, being bruised and laid thereto; and is specially good for ruptures and broken bones, so powerful to consolidate and knit together that if they be boiled with dissevered pieces of flesh in a pot, it will join them together again.' He goes on to describe its curative effect on haemorrhoids and continues: 'The roots of Comfrey taken fresh, beaten small and spread upon leather and laid upon any place troubled with the gout presently gives ease: and applied in the same manner it eases pained joints and tends to heal running ulcers, gangrenes, mortifications, for which it hath by often experience been found helpful.' Baker (Jewell of Health, 1567) says: 'The water of the Greater Comferie druncke helpeth such as are bursten, and that have broken the bone of the legge. It is important to meet potential physician objections with a clear, shared understanding of the “comfrey rule”: fresh leaves externally, boiled root decoction internally. A modern medicinal tincture, employed by homoeopaths, is made from the root with spirits of wine, 10 drops in a tablespoonful of water being administered several times a day. Comfrey is also beneficial for deeper tissue injuries such as bruises, strains and sprains. It is probably the best herb I know for healing broken bones. For deeper tissue injuries it is best to use comfrey in the form of a poultice. For broken bones, it is preferable to also use comfrey internally as a tea or tincture. However, the healing of bones is a long process, generally longer than is recommended to use comfrey internally. Fortunately, comfrey can also be used in a homeopathic potency for this purpose, which is completely safe. I recommend taking comfrey tea or tincture three to four times per day and also taking the 200C potency of Symphytum once a day for the first week or two after the fracture occurs. Then stop taking the tea or tincture and switch to the 30C potency of Symphytum taken three to four times per day until the fracture is completely healed. Never begin to use comfrey in any form until the fracture has been set. It will not be possible to use the herb topically when a cast is required. Nevertheless, it will still be beneficial to use an external preparation for about a week after the cast is removed. Besides broken bones, these externally poulticed leaves and roots are also used for cuts, bruises and sprains. Comfrey is best used fresh and simmered. Use the sticky paste to make a compress and attach it with an elastic bandage. Use every night. This will speed the healing of the fracture dramatically. To heal her fractures, every night Cloe would grind several tablespoons of comfrey with a mortar and would bring it to a boil with a few spoons of water. She then would make a paste out of it, spread the paste on a cotton cloth, wrap it around her arm, and put elastic bands or safety pins in to secure it. Even though she had 2 fractures, Cloe decided not to wear a cast but a sling, which is why she could take off the sling at night. Writes Cloe, The feeling of that compress was heavenly. Even though everyone said I'd always know where my arm was broken (rain and humidity brings back the pain for the rest of your life), I never felt it and I attribute that to the comfrey compress routine. It's known to
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Dan wrote: Are you saying that one of your horses lost electricity, one got water, and one you don't know?... Now Dan, behave yourself! LOL Thanks for offering to help, Bernadette. JoAnne has assured me she'll let us all know how things turn out. Be well, Mike D. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Bernadette bernade...@pa.net wrote: Weather here was awful. Glad we decided not to venture out on Monday. We didn't have any damage, just a little water. One daughter still without electric, another got water - another I don't know?? We were certainly more fortunate than most. If you ever get a chance, send me a picture of your lady. Prayers for her recovery, Bernadette [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS
How often do you change the water? Gayla - Original Message - From: martsmai...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 4:24 AM Subject: Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS What is reason for CS in hot tub
Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS
Depending on use. Sometimes once every two months. when I'm not using it a lot - every three months. John On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Gayla Roberts aera...@gmail.com wrote: How often do you change the water? Gayla - Original Message - *From:* martsmai...@aol.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2010 4:24 AM *Subject:* Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS What is reason for CS in hot tub
CS Off Topic Can we change headings CSSilver is a potent nerve cell toxicant
Please if your not addressing this articleSilver is a potent nerve cell toxicant directly, title your subject accordingly. New people may think silver is toxic.Thanks Marty
Re: CSarticle, Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant
I'm not Max But will give you an answer as to my situation: I took an average of one pint per day (sometimes more - sometimes less) for eight years all clear made with a colloid master 777 with a setting for 20 ppm as of the manufacturers telephoned instructions. As you know they have polarity switching and no stirrer. I have been taking a multiple ( one a day) at three a day and adding selenium and vitamin E as well as 3 grams of C, Lysine and D3 which had no effect on the greying. The trouble with my feet was numbness that had progressed to the point that I couldn't feel my toes and couldn't move them. The Niacin brought them back into service and I can now even spread them like you can your fingers and as a side affect all spider veins and varicose veins have disappeared. Dave On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.comwrote: Can you elaborate? How much did you take for what length of time? How was it made, and what ppm? What areas turned gray? Were you supplementing with Vitamin E and/or selenium? Marshall Max Sanders wrote: Krishna here. As I've said before - took EIS for HepC got grey , still have HepC. I gave it a shot and have used it since for other things. I was quite disappointed by the general list response, prior, that my and others experience were dismissed (must of been other compounds involved, and/or the equally unprovable elimination physiology impaired), ignored, or spun (another personal responsibility bucket story, which is entirely lacking a responsible attitude). I still advise a more open response that includes the possibilty of argyria to all who inquire along with the usual helpful info re EIS use and production. Otherwise, there is still some fine folks here and great info, though I am quite serious about this disclosure issue. One more item. The milkmaids do prefer my previous rich blue tone to the present grey. My wife is at peace with my color and the near absence of milkmaids. --- On *Mon, 1/25/10, Dave Darrin /davedar...@gmail.com/* wrote: From: Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CSarticle, Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:46 PM WOW that's fine but my wife probably wouldn't like it. Dave On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com /mc/compose?to=bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: Krishna is shown as having a blue skin, and he was very popular with the Gopis (milkmaids). You may have to move to India though. (Sorry Mike D - religion and all that...) Dan On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com /mc/compose?to=dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com wrote: After your other reply, though, it seems to me that if you took that much silver for that many years, and you are just getting a little grayish at this age, I guess I won't worry too much about it. Hey, maybe gray or blue will come into vogue, and then we'll get all the girls! :-) Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com /mc/compose?to=silver-l...@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com /mc/compose?to=silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com /mc/compose?to=mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSImportant question about reducing atherosclerosis
My immediate non-rational response to this information is that it is a scam to cover the DNA damage done by frequencies in the gigahertz range. Maybe it it true, but it is just the sort of stuff that the bad guys promote. For example, a prestigious Brit medical entity a few years back published a study that indicated that Vitamin C in theraputic doses causes Cancer. Jim On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: And speaking of plaque, see this: http://www.j-alz.com/press/2010/20100106.html Researchers claim that cell phone radiation eliminates beta-amyloid plaque in mice. The probable mechanism is not clear from the article. Based on other research I have read, I wonder whether EM radiation is disabling or destroying some pathogen, thereby allowing the natural immune system to break down and clear the neural plaque. Researchers in the UK report success with magnetic treatments, and a brilliant MD named Y. Omura claimed effective electromagnetic therapy for Alzheimer's symptoms more than a decade ago. On Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010, at 12:08 Asia/Tokyo, Pat Lawrie wrote: Gordon, you might want to check out www.serrapeptase.org for reducing plaque. I just recently started taking it for just that purpose. It is an enzyme and does a LOT of other stuff too. Pat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShelp for cracked vertebrae
At 07:43 PM 1/25/2010, you wrote: My mom just called and my poor 80 year old dad has been diagnosed with a cracked vertebrae in his lower back...any suggestions on supplements that may help with the healing? Or is surgery the only answer? In the healing process, a bridge of tissue composed largely of protein fibers grows across the ends of the broken bones. Calcium and phosphorus then deposit among these protein fibers to form a new bone. The diet must therefore be high in protein and adequate in calcium and phosphorus. ...Vitamin D intake must be adequate.Potassium is required for cell formation, bitamin C is necessary for the maintenance and development of bones, and vitamin A helps to increase the rate of bone growth. The diet should be high in calories to provide the energy necessary for new bone cell formaiton. The list of beneficial nutrients: Vitamine A pantothenic acid vit C vit D calcium magnesium phosphorus potassium protein silicon from Nutrition Almanac, third edition Lavon J. Dunne, c. 1990. This is my absolute favorite nutrition book, far and away better than newer editions. My personal thought is if he doesn't eat a lot of protein, a couple of high quality whey protein shakes a day would be a good idea. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVit C increases iron uptake
At 04:28 AM 1/26/2010, you wrote: But iron overload is really scary - it even causes cancer. Yes, iron overload is very scary, and since it is so rarely even looked for, I believe it is way underdiagnosed, and since the normal lab range for ferritin is averaged from people who were apparently not screened for iron overload, the upper limit of the range is way too high. I do not believe I have genetic hemochromatosis, but there are other reasons for people to load too much iron. I was only mid-range when I started de-ironing. But I didn't want to wait until I had organ damage, diabetes, or cancer. My family health history on both sides is heavy in the diseases most often associated with iron overload, colon cancer, diabetes, thyroid problems, heart disease. My latest doctor took a look at my very low ferritin (I had donated blood too often) and freaked. I fired her last week for ordering an anemia panel instead of a single ferritin test. I am sure if I was subject to being intimidated by doctors she would have me on high dose iron supplements or even iron IVs. I complained to the practice manager and requested to be not charge or re-imbursed for the extra lab tests that I did not authorize nor request. I am feeling really uneasy about doing that, because there are only 3 doctors in this town, all employed by the single clinic, but I am sick and tired of paying and shutting up (I am paying out of pocket for these tests. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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CSMetal Toxicity CS
Since I have had chronic Lyme Disease, I read quite a bit about metal poisoning, ie mercury in fish, aluminum from pans, etc. So my question is: with this in mind, how is CS good for you and how does it NOT contribute to metal toxicity? By the way, if any of you have answered a previous question and I've not responded, I apologize. I am still new to the list, and at times quite overwheilmed by the all the posts that appear. Two days away from the computer and I fall quite behind. Also, my illness affects the length of my productivity per day. Peace Abundant Health! -- Rainie
Re: CSMetal Toxicity CS
The reply I have seen is that silver is a noble metal, and the others are heavy (?) metals. Rowena Rainie Cole wrote: Since I have had chronic Lyme Disease, I read quite a bit about metal poisoning, ie mercury in fish, aluminum from pans, etc. So my question is: with this in mind, how is CS good for you and how does it NOT contribute to metal toxicity? By the way, if any of you have answered a previous question and I've not responded, I apologize. I am still new to the list, and at times quite overwheilmed by the all the posts that appear. Two days away from the computer and I fall quite behind. Also, my illness affects the length of my productivity per day. Peace Abundant Health! -- Rainie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSVit C increases iron uptake
Alpha Lipoic Acid has been shown to reduce iron buildup in the brain and inhibit excess iron accumulation. While there does not appear to be studies regarding iron and ALA in other body tissues, I see no reason why ALA would not protect them as well. - Steve N http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/othernuts/la/index.html Metal Chelation: Redox-active metal ions, such as free iron and copper, can induce oxidative damage by catalyzing reactions that generate highly reactive free radicals (24). Compounds that chelate (bind) free metal ions in a way that prevents them from generating free radicals offer promise in the treatment of neurodegenerative and other chronic diseases, in which metal-induced oxidative damage may play a role (25). Both LA and DHLA have been found to inhibit copper- and iron-mediated oxidative damage in the test tube (26, 27), and to inhibit excess iron and copper accumulation in animal models (28, 29). 28. Yamamoto H, Watanabe T, Mizuno H, et al. The antioxidant effect of DL-alpha-lipoic acid on copper-induced acute hepatitis in Long-Evans Cinnamon (LEC) rats. Free Radic Res. 2001;34(1):69-80. (PubMed) 29. Suh JH, Moreau R, Heath SH, Hagen TM. Dietary supplementation with (R)-alpha-lipoic acid reverses the age-related accumulation of iron and depletion of antioxidants in the rat cerebral cortex. Redox Rep. 2005;10(1):52-60. (PubMed) http://www.advice-hgh.com/ala/blood-and-iron.html As mentioned above, lipoic acid chelates transition metals, binding them tightly and preventing them from going on a Fenton frenzy. More specifically, R(+)-Lipoic Acid is superior to the S(-)- in controlling the acceleration of free radical damage by copper 54 Likewise, lipoic acid can protect cells from the toxic heavy transition metal cadmium through chelation, but it only becomes effective when charged up into its DHLA form; 55 since the body makes DHLA from R(+)-Lipoic Acid much more quickly than happens with the S(-)-form, 37 , 39 that should mean that R(+)-Lipoic Acid gives stronger protection against cadmium toxicity than the S(-)-form. And what about iron? The ability of the racemate to tie up iron is well-established,30 although unfortunately no studies that we know of have compared the iron-chelating protection provided by the racemate with the powers of R(+)-lipoic acid. But there's only been one study to see if lipoic acid might be able to protect the brain of a living, breathing organism against damage from excessive iron buildup - and that study used R(+)-lipoic acid. 56 In this study, 56 scientists looked at the levels of iron in the brains of young, middle-aged, late-middle aged, and old lab animals. Not surprisingly, the older the animal, the more iron it had in its brain, though how much more depended on what part of the brain the researchers looked at. When they looked at levels of vitamin C in these areas, the scientists consistently found that the more iron was present in a given part of the brain at a given age, the lower was the level of vitamin C - suggesting that the presence of iron was depleting the brain of its antioxidant defense forces. Remarkably, at the end of an experiment that lasted just two weeks, the forebrains of old animals which were given R(+)-Lipoic Acid in their food were found to have 60% less iron buildup, and to have undergone a substantial restoration of antioxidant defenses (as measured by vitamin C levels), as compared to unsupplemented animals in the same age group. No significant differences were seen in other brain areas; however, one wonders if a mere two weeks may simply not have been enough time to mobilize the iron accumulation from structures located deeper within the brain. Either way, this study - combined with the other known neuroprotective effects of lipoic acid (and especially the R(+)-form) - suggests that R(+)-Lipoic Acid shows promise in the prevention (and, perhaps, even the treatment) of several devastating neurological diseases. -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:21 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVit C increases iron uptake At 04:28 AM 1/26/2010, you wrote: But iron overload is really scary - it even causes cancer. Yes, iron overload is very scary, and since it is so rarely even looked for, I believe it is way underdiagnosed, and since the normal lab range for ferritin is averaged from people who were apparently not screened for iron overload, the upper limit of the range is way too high. I do not believe I have genetic hemochromatosis, but there are other reasons for people to load too much iron. I was only mid-range when I started de-ironing. But I didn't want to wait until I had organ damage, diabetes, or cancer. My family health history on both sides is heavy in the diseases most often associated with iron overload, colon cancer, diabetes, thyroid problems, heart disease. My latest doctor took a look at my very low ferritin
Re: CSarticle, Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant
Dave Darrin wrote: I'm not Max The trouble with my feet was numbness that had progressed to the point that I couldn't feel my toes and couldn't move them. The Niacin brought them back into service and I can now even spread them like you can your fingers and as a side affect all spider veins and varicose veins have disappeared. Dave I have been having numbness in my toes for about a year now. Do you feel that may be silver related? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Are you saying that one of your horses lost electricity, one got water, and one you don't know?... Dan On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Bernadette bernade...@pa.net wrote: Good Morning: Okay just got your message. I will be in Shrewsbury, PA on Friday around 9:30 - 10:00 AM (yes I drive over an hour to my vet because he is good) to take a few animals to the vet. That is close to the PA - Maryland border on 83 N. Don't know where you live? If close you could meet me there, if not.. I will wait then to hear how your beautiful girl is on the 12th. Good luck. She was lucky to find a good mom like you to take care of her. Weather here was awful. Glad we decided not to venture out on Monday. We didn't have any damage, just a little water. One daughter still without electric, another got water - another I don't know?? We were certainly more fortunate than most. If you ever get a chance, send me a picture of your lady. Prayers for her recovery, Bernadette - Original Message - From: oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 3:04 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Bernadette, I am going to wait until the vet / dentist see Fancy on February 12th. I will definitely get back to you. Thanks much. I am trying, also, to learn more about side effects. JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:28:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bernade...@pa.net writes: no charge - Original Message - From: oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Bernadette, what would the cost be for a few gallons, and how long would it last, administered to the one mare? Thanks very much. JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:23:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bernade...@pa.net writes: I live in Mechanicsburg, PA - about a hour away from the Maryland state line. I could make you a few gallons and we could meet. Bernadette - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:17 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth I'm in western Kentucky -- to far away to help. But we may have list members near you. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth We're in Bear, Delaware - Near PA and MD lines. Where are you? In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:03:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: JoAnne -- where do you live? Perhaps one of us live close enough to *sell* you some CS to tide you over until you can get your generator and get set up. I don't think you're understanding the hundreds of dollars that you'll be spending per week, just to treat even one horse. Because we're talking gallons here -- and for an extended period of time. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:49:07 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth MaryAnn, I will have to buy some, initially, if just for this one horse. And I will certainly look into the home made kind, as well. . the unit you described. JoAnne PS .. I feel like I'm on my way to becoming a Homesteader :) LOL In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A..M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Purchasing Colloidal Silver is extraordinarily expensive -- commonly running thirty or so dollars for 8 oz. It just isn't practical to buy it for treating horses -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CScracked vertebrae
Since the pain is so bad, you might consider a 2 1/2 lb. therapeutic magnet for direct application. My mom said it was the only thing that made her think that she could maybe stand the pain from popped discs from osteoporosis, largely due to Vit D dificiency. If you have trouble getting the Alta silica, then Eidon liquid silica drops are a highly usuable item. In less than a week, I am seeing remarkable improvements in my skin with this. A good powdered full range supplement such as Julian Whitaker's Forward formula may prove valuable. Certainly zinc and selenium cannot be overlooked. Green drinks will give a real boost too.I am very sorry to hear of your Dad's plight. He can heal, but he will need greater amounts of most nutrients. Vit. C is indispensable and of great importance as everyone knows. I hope he gets the same or better results with the magnet. Sure was a relief for my mom and she had several pop. Best wishes, pj ps lots of magnesium too!! :) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSVit C increases iron uptake
Thanks Steve, Very interesting info. sol At 10:52 AM 1/26/2010, you wrote: Alpha Lipoic Acid has been shown to reduce iron buildup in the brain and inhibit excess iron accumulation. While there does not appear to be studies regarding iron and ALA in other body tissues, I see no reason why ALA would not protect them as well. - Steve N http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/othernuts/la/index.html -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
and Mike, I'm familiar with Herx. We lost a mare who was under going treatment for EPM - Equine Protozoal Myeloencephalitis-- and also received all shots and a dewormer - in one fateful day and lost all neurological reflexes, and had to be put down. Yep ... I'm not into a lot of side effects, on an already compromised horse. __ JoAnne E. In a message dated 1/26/2010 3:19:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mdev...@eskimo.com writes: Take somebody who's really sick, give them some treatment that kills a lot of germs really fast, the toxins from those dead germs get dumped into their system all at once and can kill them. That's how the doctors involved in the discovery of 'Herx' effect figured out what was happening -- they
Re: CSarticle, Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant
No not at all. Otherwise a surge of circulation wouldn't have helped. My openion. Dave On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.comwrote: Dave Darrin wrote: I'm not Max The trouble with my feet was numbness that had progressed to the point that I couldn't feel my toes and couldn't move them. The Niacin brought them back into service and I can now even spread them like you can your fingers and as a side affect all spider veins and varicose veins have disappeared. Dave I have been having numbness in my toes for about a year now. Do you feel that may be silver related? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSThank you all, Especially Mike
I have not been subscribing for a couple of years. After returning, more than ever, I very much appreciate this list as one of the superstars of medical information, mainstream, traditional/historical and so-called alternative. The silver list is a priceless jewel. The medical and technical professionals who take the time share their training, knowledge and expertise are saintly people. Thanks again, Jim
Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS
Sad tale, Steve, and good points. Vito might have had a herx reaction, too. sigh Still, if you add up enough anecdotal evidence across a large enough population and long enough period of time, it starts to become reasonable to draw some tentative conclusions. For instance, how many folks report going for years at a time without getting sick after starting to take CS... after a lifetime of getting colds, flu, or whatever, on a regular basis along with everyone else? Hear that tale often enough and you'll start to think maybe CS is contributing to that. Even in mainstream science and medicine, there's a vehicle for developing research directions on the basis of clinical experience. If a doctor sees something interesting happening in his or her patients, they can publish this, usually in the form of a survey of the literature and a case report, which seeks to interest researchers in pursuing further studies based on those anecdotal reports. Of course, we're not doctors, there are no official journals ready to publish our reports, and no bevy of institutions looking for ways to spend grant money developing our ideas. And ideas that are too radical or crackpot sounding are unlikely to get picked up, even when it *is* a doctor making the report. Some would also suggest there needs to be some profit in the idea for somebody. So for things like CS we're limited to watching the literature, accumulating anecdotes, and doing as much testing as we can afford to do as individuals and small groups. We can wish for more, but there's still good that's come of what we've been able to do. Mike D. I'm always reluctant to accept anecdotal evidence at face value. I recognize that sometimes it really does suggest a compelling connection a la cause and effect, but at other times it does not, but people will believe crazy stuff due to coincidence. Here is a true story involving CS. One of our pet rats, Vito recently lost most interest in eating and began acting lethargic and depressed. My wife, who tends to our small furry friends faithfully, asked me if CS might help. I said it might. So she started mixing it 50/50 with regular water. Vito lapped it up greedily resting every now and then because he was weak. She did this for a couple days. Then the other night, Vito passed away. The gist of the story - Our sick rat drank CS and died. Now to some people, this would represent the proof they needed to show that CS is toxic. To others, it just would mean that poor Vito was too far gone for the CS to help, assuming that it could. In my mind, Vito was on his last legs and his hours were numbered. There is no way I believe that the CS hurt him, despite his ultimate demise. This is the problem with anecdotal evidence. It can be extremely convincing, yet it is NOT scientific and not proof of anything. Some things are right, even though there is not good proof. And some things are wrong, despite evidence which appears compelling on the surface. Cheers. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFw:Klinghardt KPU Protocol For Lyme- off Topic
Hi Rainie and Others, This might interest you...it came to me a few minutes ago. Blessings, Peter - Original Message - Hi Everybody Dr. Klinghardt says that there's something that happens in Lyme disease that makes us very sick..lyme has this mechanism of stripping the body of zinc, manganese, molybdenum and a few other really important minerals. He says that it is THIS that primarily disables the immune system and that this is one of the most important things to address in treating lyme patients. He says if you can fix this mechanism - which is easy - you go a long way to setting the person back on their feet. It's called the KPU protocol and you can google for it. KPU is something that can be tested for through only ONE lab - called Vitamin Diagnostics in the US. It is a $50 test and anything over the number 15 is abnormal. Lyme patients are usually around 70. J
RE: CSThank you all, Especially Mike
I whole heartedly agree. And at the risk of offending some outstanding contributors, I would also like to extend special appreciation to Marshall, Ode and Brooks for their contributions to the list, in addition to Mike. - Steve N From: Jim Holmes [mailto:gooogleis...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:12 PM To: Silver-List Subject: CSThank you all, Especially Mike I have not been subscribing for a couple of years. After returning, more than ever, I very much appreciate this list as one of the superstars of medical information, mainstream, traditional/historical and so-called alternative. The silver list is a priceless jewel. The medical and technical professionals who take the time share their training, knowledge and expertise are saintly people. Thanks again, Jim
Re: CSBuying Silver
Maybe CC Silver? On 1/25/2010 10:17 PM, Leslie wrote: No, was thinking it was something with initials like GC ?? Thanks for your help. - Original Message - *From:* Deborah Gerard mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2010 9:01 PM *Subject:* Re: CSBuying Silver Hi Leslie, Were you thinking of www.atlasnova.com http://www.atlasnova.com for the silver? Debbie *From:* Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net mailto:leslie1...@windstream.net *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Mon, January 25, 2010 1:47:09 PM *Subject:* CSBuying Silver Someone on here told where they were buying their silver and I seem to have lost that info. Could you or anyone on here give me some advice on buying good silver at a decent price?? I seem to always be making my lists and checking it twice and then starting all over. Does anyone else feel that they need s much but cannot afford to get everything you need?? Just occasionally order a couple of things; have a generator and guess it will do if I get some silver to last at least through the bad times coming. Thanks for all your patience! Leslie No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2647 - Release Date: 01/26/10 14:36:00
RE: CSThank you all, Especially Mike
Buncha Suckups... What's going on??? Chuck My wife keeps complaining I never listen to her ... or something like that. On 1/26/2010 7:20:04 PM, Norton, Steve (stephen.nor...@ngc.com) wrote: I whole heartedly agree. And at the risk of offending some outstanding contributors, I would also like to extend special appreciation to Marshall, Ode and Brooks for their contributions to the list, in addition to Mike. - Steve N From: Jim Holmes [mailto:gooogleis...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:12 PM To: Silver-List Subject: CSThank you all, Especially Mike I have not been subscribing for a couple of years. After returning, more than ever, I very much appreciate this list as one of the superstars of medical information, mainstream, traditional/historical and so-called alternative. The silver list is a priceless jewel. The medical and technical professionals who take the time share their training, knowledge and expertise are saintly people. Thanks again, Jim -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThank you all, Especially Mike
Oh.and Chuck too. Is it better now? g - Steve N - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue Jan 26 18:48:34 2010 Subject: RE: CSThank you all, Especially Mike Buncha Suckups... What's going on??? Chuck My wife keeps complaining I never listen to her ... or something like that. On 1/26/2010 7:20:04 PM, Norton, Steve (stephen.nor...@ngc.com) wrote: I whole heartedly agree. And at the risk of offending some outstanding contributors, I would also like to extend special appreciation to Marshall, Ode and Brooks for their contributions to the list, in addition to Mike. - Steve N From: Jim Holmes [mailto:gooogleis...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:12 PM To: Silver-List Subject: CSThank you all, Especially Mike I have not been subscribing for a couple of years. After returning, more than ever, I very much appreciate this list as one of the superstars of medical information, mainstream, traditional/historical and so-called alternative. The silver list is a priceless jewel. The medical and technical professionals who take the time share their training, knowledge and expertise are saintly people. Thanks again, Jim -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHelp me get my daughter and wife to take CS
Here's my problem. My daughter has the flu and my wife is coming down with a cold. Neither one will drink the CS because they have drunk it before and hate the metallic taste. i really don't notice much taste, it just seems a little flat to me, so no big deal for me. My daughter tried mixing it with Gatorade once, but was really upset with me because I 'ruined' perfectly good Gatorade and it tasted gross. Any suggestions on how to make it more palatable to finicky family members?
CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS
I'm always reluctant to accept anecdotal evidence at face value. I recognize that sometimes it really does suggest a compelling connection a la cause and effect, but at other times it does not, but people will believe crazy stuff due to coincidence. Here is a true story involving CS. One of our pet rats, Vito recently lost most interest in eating and began acting lethargic and depressed. My wife, who tends to our small furry friends faithfully, asked me if CS might help. I said it might. So she started mixing it 50/50 with regular water. Vito lapped it up greedily resting every now and then because he was weak. She did this for a couple days. Then the other night, Vito passed away. The gist of the story - Our sick rat drank CS and died. Now to some people, this would represent the proof they needed to show that CS is toxic. To others, it just would mean that poor Vito was too far gone for the CS to help, assuming that it could. In my mind, Vito was on his last legs and his hours were numbered. There is no way I believe that the CS hurt him, despite his ultimate demise. This is the problem with anecdotal evidence. It can be extremely convincing, yet it is NOT scientific and not proof of anything. Some things are right, even though there is not good proof. And some things are wrong, despite evidence which appears compelling on the surface. Cheers.
Re: CSHelp me get my daughter and wife to take CS
I explained to my family that cough syrup doesn't taste very good but it will do a job. They agreed. Silver (what we call CS in our house) may taste bad but it'll do the job also and better. They agreed to keep trying it. Except for one week after Christmas we've been cold free this winter. Now if my daughters have a sore throat they will ask if they can have silver. They know the benefits. Jeff From: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 7:56:12 PM Subject: CSHelp me get my daughter and wife to take CS Here's my problem. My daughter has the flu and my wife is coming down with a cold. Neither one will drink the CS because they have drunk it before and hate the metallic taste. i really don't notice much taste, it just seems a little flat to me, so no big deal for me. My daughter tried mixing it with Gatorade once, but was really upset with me because I 'ruined' perfectly good Gatorade and it tasted gross. Any suggestions on how to make it more palatable to finicky family members?
Re: CSHelp me get my daughter and wife to take CS
My son had the same problem with taste so I waited until he was at the worst and asked him if the taste was worse than the way he feels right now. That did the trick--now he asks for it at the first sniffle. Dave On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Steve G chube...@yahoo.com wrote: Here's my problem. My daughter has the flu and my wife is coming down with a cold. Neither one will drink the CS because they have drunk it before and hate the metallic taste. i really don't notice much taste, it just seems a little flat to me, so no big deal for me. My daughter tried mixing it with Gatorade once, but was really upset with me because I 'ruined' perfectly good Gatorade and it tasted gross. Any suggestions on how to make it more palatable to finicky family members?
Re: CSHelp me get my daughter and wife to take CS
Use CS as the liquid or part of the liquid (use distilled water) and mix it with powdered gatorade. Mixing it with liquid gatorade dilutes the gatorade to the extent that I also find that taste very unpleasant. But it is good mixed with gatorade powder. I think if you want the CS diluted, using distilled water tastes the best. sol At 05:56 PM 1/26/2010, you wrote: Here's my problem. My daughter has the flu and my wife is coming down with a cold. Neither one will drink the CS because they have drunk it before and hate the metallic taste. i really don't notice much taste, it just seems a little flat to me, so no big deal for me. My daughter tried mixing it with Gatorade once, but was really upset with me because I 'ruined' perfectly good Gatorade and it tasted gross. Any suggestions on how to make it more palatable to finicky family members? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHelp me get my daughter and wife to take CS
Put it in soup, in mouthwash, in tea, in coffee, in milk, in cough syrup, be creative a little here and a little there. connie Medical Insurance Need Medical Insurance? Click here for affordable quotes. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=Z6n4oYX2dKr0n84zp7POpwAAJz0-d3oigFK6PWJ8uckOMuPQAAYAAADNAAAQVgA=
Re: CScracked vertebrae thanks everyone
Thank-you Shirley and everyone else for your much appreciated help and kind words, Debbie :) From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 2:12:55 PM Subject: CScracked vertebrae Since the pain is so bad, you might consider a 2 1/2 lb. therapeutic magnet for direct application. My mom said it was the only thing that made her think that she could maybe stand the pain from popped discs from osteoporosis, largely due to Vit D dificiency. If you have trouble getting the Alta silica, then Eidon liquid silica drops are a highly usuable item. In less than a week, I am seeing remarkable improvements in my skin with this. A good powdered full range supplement such as Julian Whitaker's Forward formula may prove valuable. Certainly zinc and selenium cannot be overlooked. Green drinks will give a real boost too. I am very sorry to hear of your Dad's plight. He can heal, but he will need greater amounts of most nutrients. Vit. C is indispensable and of great importance as everyone knows. I hope he gets the same or better results with the magnet. Sure was a relief for my mom and she had several pop. Best wishes, pj ps lots of magnesium too!! :) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShelp for cracked vertebrae
Thank-you Sol...mom will do whatever it is going to take to avoid dad having surgery. They are already taking several of the ones that you have listed, and I am sure the protein intake won't be an issue. About the Nutrition book you mentioned. Does the book list dosages for various supplements that are the dosages people should be takeing? thanks again, Debbie From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 12:11:20 PM Subject: Re: CShelp for cracked vertebrae At 07:43 PM 1/25/2010, you wrote: My mom just called and my poor 80 year old dad has been diagnosed with a cracked vertebrae in his lower back...any suggestions on supplements that may help with the healing? Or is surgery the only answer? In the healing process, a bridge of tissue composed largely of protein fibers grows across the ends of the broken bones. Calcium and phosphorus then deposit among these protein fibers to form a new bone. The diet must therefore be high in protein and adequate in calcium and phosphorus. ...Vitamin D intake must be adequate.Potassium is required for cell formation, bitamin C is necessary for the maintenance and development of bones, and vitamin A helps to increase the rate of bone growth. The diet should be high in calories to provide the energy necessary for new bone cell formaiton. The list of beneficial nutrients: Vitamine A pantothenic acid vit C vit D calcium magnesium phosphorus potassium protein silicon from Nutrition Almanac, third edition Lavon J. Dunne, c. 1990. This is my absolute favorite nutrition book, far and away better than newer editions. My personal thought is if he doesn't eat a lot of protein, a couple of high quality whey protein shakes a day would be a good idea. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShelp for cracked vertebrae
I totally agree John From: John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 4:15:56 AM Subject: Re: CShelp for cracked vertebrae Debbie: To fix the crack you'll need to supplement with Alta real food Silica (3 per every meal), magnesium, vitamin D3 and calcium. If your Dad is not on a good multi vit mineral, I suggest that, too. Vitamin C will help to strengthen the tissues around the vertebrae and the discs. He should notice a difference within two - four weeks. Surgery, in my humble opinion, is unnecessary - too dangerous for a man of his age. The recovery time from surgery might be the rest of his good life. A natural approach to healing this, I think, would be best. John On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com wrote: My mom just called and my poor 80 year old dad has been diagnosed with a cracked vertebrae in his lower back...any suggestions on supplements that may help with the healing? Or is surgery the only answer? Thanks in advance folks, Debbie
RE: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS
Which is why a million questions need be asked so it can be logged and put up against another case which may come to light in the future, then comparisons can be made and a more accurate assessment may ensue. It's more a matter of *how much* information will/can be willingly/readily given or extracted from the individual and what conclusions, if any, can be drawn based on that information. Most correlate 'CS' with argyria, but that 'CS' usually constitutes *anything* that contains silver, or even the smell of silver? That alone prompts a thousand questions...Fairly difficult to determine with a degree of accuracy one way or tuther I would think from information available on the net today...Questions, questions, questions...Answers not entirely convincing or praps even trustworthy...supposition, inuendo, trickery, and some of course are outright lies...doesn't make an assessment any easier for or against! So, best everyone keeps plugging away on their own I spose using themselves as 'case studies', guinea pigs, or lab rats...each convincing themselves and/or making their own deliberations along the way. N. Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:04:29 -0800 From: chube...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I'm always reluctant to accept anecdotal evidence at face value. _ Time for a new car? Sell your old one fast! http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157637060/direct/01/
Re: CSHelp me get my daughter and wife to take CS
exactly Connie...my mom was doing that for my dad for a long time. Now he just says be sure and add it to the orange juice. From: craehow...@juno.com craehow...@juno.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 9:07:13 PM Subject: Re: CSHelp me get my daughter and wife to take CS Put it in soup, in mouthwash, in tea, in coffee, in milk, in cough syrup, be creative a little here and a little there. connie Medical Insurance Need Medical Insurance? Click here for affordable quotes.
CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2010 #114
That may not be entirely without merit. The thing about Vitamin C (which I am a huge fan of) is that it behaves differently in small doses to large doses. It is speculated that in small doses a cancer can use its anti-oxidant properties to protect itself. In large doses, when it becomes concentrated it can actually make a small amount of H2O2, but only intracellularly, not willy nilly all over the body causing damage, therefore becoming a pro-oxidant like MMS and others. It's been shown that pro-oxidants are not friendly to cancers. Vitamin C and Glucose (which cancer likes) are extremely similar in molecular structure, and it is speculated that this is the reason Vitamin C can reach a cancer where other therapies cannot. More than that, Lipoic Acid (I would suggest R-ALA over others) can help the Vitamin C to be recycled (480% more usefulness in studies I saw), and does have some mercury chelation properties (not sure about Iron - need to look into that one). Oral Vit C can out perform even IV if done properly. Take care Paul . For example, a prestigious Brit medical entity a few years back published a study that indicated that Vitamin C in theraputic doses causes Cancer.
Re: CSHelp me get my daughter and wife to take CS
I can never understand people who complain about the very slight metallic taste of CS. I'm apt to just say that it's medicine, not a refreshment , so just suck it up. Actually the one out that always worked for me for unpalatable drinks it to hold your breath (or even your nose) while chugging. If you can't smell, you can't taste. Chuck Mushrooms always grow in damp places, which is why they look like umbrellas. On 1/26/2010 7:56:12 PM, Steve G (chube...@yahoo.com) wrote: Here's my problem. My daughter has the flu and my wife is coming down with a cold. Neither one will drink the CS because they have drunk it before and hate the metallic taste. i really don't notice much taste, it just seems a little flat to me, so no big deal for me. My daughter tried mixing it with Gatorade once, but was really upset with me because I 'ruined' perfectly good Gatorade and it tasted gross. Any suggestions on how to make it more palatable to finicky family members? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHelp me get my daughter and wife to take CS
Here's my problem. My daughter has the flu and my wife is coming down with a cold. Neither one will drink the CS because they have drunk it before and hate the metallic taste. I really don't notice much taste, it just seems a little flat to me, so no big deal for me. My daughter tried mixing it with Gatorade once, but was really upset with me because I 'ruined' perfectly good Gatorade and it tasted gross. Any suggestions on how to make it more palatable to finicky family members? The metallic taste comes from silver hydroxide produced when the hydroxyl ions from the cathode reach the anode and combine with the silver ions. The equation is Ag(+) + OH(-) -- AgOH Assuming a low current density, silver ions that reach the cathode will plate out instead of making AgOH. So the anode will become black from the AgOH, and the cathode will be dull gray. You can tell how the process is working by noting the color of the tissue after wiping the electrodes at the end of the brew. For a more detailed description, please see the theory page on my web site at http://www.pstca.com/silversol/theory/cstheory.htm If you stop the brew before the ions reach the anode, you won't produce AgOH, or only a very small amount. The resulting cs will have the highest ionic content that can be reached with your electrode geometry, quality of dw, and current density. This means it is the most effective you can make. It will have absolutely no taste, which is what you need to convince your family to take it. However, there is a serious problem with contamination on silver electrodes. The electrolysis process atomically cleans the electrodes. This makes them much more sensitive to any contamination in the vicinity, such as sulphur from automobile combustion and the vapor trap in the kitchen sink. Putting the generator in an air-tight plastic bag when not in use can help reduce the contamination. I put my generator in the freezer compartment of a new, unused refrigerator. The sub-zero temperatures keeps humidity frozen, which make it impossible for the tarnish action of sulphur. A second trick to slow down the ions from reaching the opposite electrodes is to wait 15 minutes or 1/2 hr after pouring the dw into the generator. This allows the turbulence to settle and the water to become still before starting the brew. The difficulty this can present is some forms of contamination will leach from the electrodes if they are sitting in the dw. This can increase the conductivity by a significant amount and affect the brewing process. Finally, when you have made the highest concentration possible, do the salt test to verify the strength of the concentration. This means to pour a small amount of cs into a shot glass and add a few crystals of canning salt. The salt will combine with the silver ions and form silver chloride. This is insoluble and makes a beautiful milky dispersion. If the dispersion is weak, it will be a pale blue. If it is dense enough that you cannot see objects behind the glass, you have a very strong solution. The fastest way to absorb the ions is through sublingual absorption. Hold a mouthful for 10 or 15 minutes, then spit it out. The amount of ions absorbed will be less than 10%. A very simple calculation shows the amount present in the blood stream is very small. For example, a typical mouthful is 50 millilitres. Since one millilitre of dw weighs 1 gram, 50 ml is 50 grams. Say the ion concentration is 20uS. This means it is 20 parts per million, or 20 ppm. This can be expressed in scientific notation as 20e-6. The amount of silver in 50 ml of 20uS cs is 50gm * 20e-6 = 1000e-6, or 1 thousand micrograms. Of this, less than 10% is absorbed, so there is less than 100 micrograms in the bloodstream, or 100e-6 gm. The typical blood quantity in a male is 5.5 litres. Assuming blood has the same density as water, this is 5,500 grams. The silver ion concentration in the blood is then 100e-6 / 5500 = 1.81818181818e-8, or less than 18 parts per billion. This is a very small amount, but it is all that is needed for the immune system to function and kill the viruses that cause colds and flu. There are significant advantages to using sublingual absorption. * very fast absorption directly into the blood stream * bypasses the liver which can filter the silver ions out * only very small volume of cs needed * saves on dw, improves life of silver electrodes * kills bacteria that cause cavities * kills bacteria that cause plaque * kills bacteria that cause gum disease * eliminates any possibility of Argyria * eliminates killing friendly bacteria in small intestine (often mistaken for herxheimer) The difficulty
Re: CShelp for cracked vertebrae
At 07:17 PM 1/26/2010, you wrote: Thank-you Sol...mom will do whatever it is going to take to avoid dad having surgery. They are already taking several of the ones that you have listed, and I am sure the protein intake won't be an issue. About the Nutrition book you mentioned. Does the book list dosages for various supplements that are the dosages people should be takeing? thanks again, Debbie Sometimes it does, but not always. Were there particular ones I could look up for you? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSImportant question about reducing atherosclerosis
I'm duly skeptical as well, but if the research is legitimate, it would be very useful to know the mechanism. I do note, however, that on Google, the first site to come up is Popular Mechanics, known to be a mouthpiece for disinformation.You're right to raise the skepticism. On Wednesday, Jan 27, 2010, at 02:01 Asia/Tokyo, Jim Holmes wrote: My immediate non-rational response to this information is that it is a scam to cover the DNA damage done by frequencies in the gigahertz range. Maybe it it true, but it is just the sort of stuff that the bad guys promote. For example, a prestigious Brit medical entity a few years back published a study that indicated that Vitamin C in theraputic doses causes Cancer. Jim On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: And speaking of plaque, see this: http://www.j-alz.com/press/2010/20100106.html Researchers claim that cell phone radiation eliminates beta-amyloid plaque in mice. The probable mechanism is not clear from the article. Based on other research I have read, I wonder whether EM radiation is disabling or destroying some pathogen, thereby allowing the natural immune system to break down and clear the neural plaque. Researchers in the UK report success with magnetic treatments, and a brilliant MD named Y. Omura claimed effective electromagnetic therapy for Alzheimer's symptoms more than a decade ago. On Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010, at 12:08 Asia/Tokyo, Pat Lawrie wrote: Gordon, you might want to check out www.serrapeptase.org for reducing plaque. I just recently started taking it for just that purpose. It is an enzyme and does a LOT of other stuff too. Pat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShelp for cracked vertebrae
oh no that is okay...dosage is talked about alot on this site and I was just wondering if in this book it had all the supplement dosages listed...thanks again for your help, Debbie From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 10:40:59 PM Subject: Re: CShelp for cracked vertebrae At 07:17 PM 1/26/2010, you wrote: Thank-you Sol...mom will do whatever it is going to take to avoid dad having surgery. They are already taking several of the ones that you have listed, and I am sure the protein intake won't be an issue. About the Nutrition book you mentioned. Does the book list dosages for various supplements that are the dosages people should be takeing? thanks again, Debbie Sometimes it does, but not always. Were there particular ones I could look up for you? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHelp me get my daughter and wife to take CS
thanks Mike great info, Debbie From: Mike Monett silverl...@pstca.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 10:36:33 PM Subject: Re: CSHelp me get my daughter and wife to take CS Here's my problem. My daughter has the flu and my wife is coming down with a cold. Neither one will drink the CS because they have drunk it before and hate the metallic taste. I really don't notice much taste, it just seems a little flat to me, so no big deal for me. My daughter tried mixing it with Gatorade once, but was really upset with me because I 'ruined' perfectly good Gatorade and it tasted gross. Any suggestions on how to make it more palatable to finicky family members? The metallic taste comes from silver hydroxide produced when the hydroxyl ions from the cathode reach the anode and combine with the silver ions. The equation is Ag(+) + OH(-) -- AgOH Assuming a low current density, silver ions that reach the cathode will plate out instead of making AgOH. So the anode will become black from the AgOH, and the cathode will be dull gray. You can tell how the process is working by noting the color of the tissue after wiping the electrodes at the end of the brew. For a more detailed description, please see the theory page on my web site at http://www.pstca.com/silversol/theory/cstheory.htm If you stop the brew before the ions reach the anode, you won't produce AgOH, or only a very small amount.. The resulting cs will have the highest ionic content that can be reached with your electrode geometry, quality of dw, and current density. This means it is the most effective you can make. It will have absolutely no taste, which is what you need to convince your family to take it. However, there is a serious problem with contamination on silver electrodes. The electrolysis process atomically cleans the electrodes. This makes them much more sensitive to any contamination in the vicinity, such as sulphur from automobile combustion and the vapor trap in the kitchen sink. Putting the generator in an air-tight plastic bag when not in use can help reduce the contamination. I put my generator in the freezer compartment of a new, unused refrigerator. The sub-zero temperatures keeps humidity frozen, which make it impossible for the tarnish action of sulphur. A second trick to slow down the ions from reaching the opposite electrodes is to wait 15 minutes or 1/2 hr after pouring the dw into the generator. This allows the turbulence to settle and the water to become still before starting the brew. The difficulty this can present is some forms of contamination will leach from the electrodes if they are sitting in the dw. This can increase the conductivity by a significant amount and affect the brewing process. Finally, when you have made the highest concentration possible, do the salt test to verify the strength of the concentration. This means to pour a small amount of cs into a shot glass and add a few crystals of canning salt. The salt will combine with the silver ions and The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThank you all, Especially Mike
whew, thanks, Chuck, I thought something was wrong here... kathryn On Jan 26, 2010, at 6:48 PM, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Buncha Suckups... What's going on??? Chuck My wife keeps complaining I never listen to her ... or something like that. On 1/26/2010 7:20:04 PM, Norton, Steve (stephen.nor...@ngc.com) wrote: I whole heartedly agree. And at the risk of offending some outstanding contributors, I would also like to extend special appreciation to Marshall, Ode and Brooks for their contributions to the list, in addition to Mike. - Steve N From: Jim Holmes [mailto:gooogleis...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:12 PM To: Silver-List Subject: CSThank you all, Especially Mike I have not been subscribing for a couple of years. After returning, more than ever, I very much appreciate this list as one of the superstars of medical information, mainstream, traditional/historical and so-called alternative. The silver list is a priceless jewel. The medical and technical professionals who take the time share their training, knowledge and expertise are saintly people. Thanks again, Jim -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVit C increases iron uptake
I take dessicated liver powder for the heme iron. It doesn't build up in the system the way other iron types do. Used to be once upon a time, that doctors recommended live three times a week for anemic patients but it's been a very long time since I've heard that. It's also a great source of B vits, and vit A. I get mine from a source that manufactures it from Argentine grass fed cattle. One strange note. I hated liver when I was a kid, but a few years ago someone convinced me to try it pan fried with onions and garlic, without any added oil. I really liked it. I still don't care for chicken or pork liver though. The flavor is just not right or something. Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh sol wrote: At 04:28 AM 1/26/2010, you wrote: But iron overload is really scary - it even causes cancer. Yes, iron overload is very scary, and since it is so rarely even looked for, I believe it is way underdiagnosed, and since the normal lab range for ferritin is averaged from people who were apparently not screened for iron overload, the upper limit of the range is way too high. I do not believe I have genetic hemochromatosis, but there are other reasons for people to load too much iron. I was only mid-range when I started de-ironing. But I didn't want to wait until I had organ damage, diabetes, or cancer. My family health history on both sides is heavy in the diseases most often associated with iron overload, colon cancer, diabetes, thyroid problems, heart disease. My latest doctor took a look at my very low ferritin (I had donated blood too often) and freaked. I fired her last week for ordering an anemia panel instead of a single ferritin test. I am sure if I was subject to being intimidated by doctors she would have me on high dose iron supplements or even iron IVs. I complained to the practice manager and requested to be not charge or re-imbursed for the extra lab tests that I did not authorize nor request. I am feeling really uneasy about doing that, because there are only 3 doctors in this town, all employed by the single clinic, but I am sick and tired of paying and shutting up (I am paying out of pocket for these tests. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThank you all, Especially Mike
I agree, no matter what other groups I read on, I come back to this list again and again for reliable information. I don't know what I'd do without the Silver list and members. Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Jim Holmes wrote: I have not been subscribing for a couple of years. After returning, more than ever, I very much appreciate this list as one of the superstars of medical information, mainstream, traditional/historical and so-called alternative. The silver list is a priceless jewel. The medical and technical professionals who take the time share their training, knowledge and expertise are saintly people. Thanks again, Jim -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Hi JoAnne. Yes, Unfortunately Herx applies across the board, medical or altmed. If your horse is a hyped up there are two things I know of to calm. One is use of an ordinary Hulda Clark Zapper with electrodes placed across chest and/or neck. ( repeat reports from a lady who was working with her daughters distressed old race horse and tramping , Reiki alone hadn't seemed to help much.) The other is use of magnesium sublingual. For humans, a few drops of saturated solution of mag sulphate or mag chloride a few times a day. I have just recently read this on one of these boards and tried it once myself. I did a few grains of mag chloride under my tongue until they dissolved. bitter but not tooo bad; that dissolved within minutes and nothing happened. :-0 It is maybe worth a search. Don't know if is safe for horse (or humans) OK, Tony On 26 Jan 2010 at 15:29, oasisgr...@aol.com wrote about : Subject : Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas and Mike, I'm familiar with Herx. We lost a mare who was under going treatment for EPM - Equine Protozoal Myeloencephalitis-- and also received all shots and a dewormer - in one fateful day and lost all neurological reflexes, and had to be put down. Yep ... I'm not into a lot of side effects, on an already compromised horse. __ JoAnne E. In a message dated 1/26/2010 3:19:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mdev...@eskimo.com writes: Take somebody who's really sick, give them some treatment that kills a lot of germs really fast, the toxins from those dead germs get dumped into their system all at once and can kill them. That's how the doctors involved in the discovery of 'Herx' effect figured out what was happening -- they -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHelp me get my daughter and wife to take CS
HuH ? Tastes Bad ?? I've just phoned a friend and I got its refreshing , I love it, slightly something, bitter I think . L is a heavy smoker. Her other comment is that The process will kill any bugs in the water. Just to hammer this home my friend makes and takes 500ml per day sometimes 'brewing' for long times. Using local municipal tap water which I find tastes mouldy. I'll have a look for blue nails etc. My comment is slight sandy feel . I don't think I could distinguish EIS from fresh water in a blindfold test. I'm a non smoker, take a few sips per day maybe. I use borehole and roof water which tastes good. That indeed is curious. OK, Tony On 26 Jan 2010 at 17:09, Jeff Maahs wrote about : Subject : Re: CSHelp me get my daughter and I explained to my family that cough syrup doesn't taste very good but it will do a job. They agreed. Silver (what we call CS in our house) may taste bad but it'll do the job also and better. They agreed to keep trying it. Except for one week after Christmas we've been cold free this winter. Now if my daughters have a sore throat they will ask if they can have silver. They know the benefits. Jeff From: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 7:56:12 PM Subject: CSHelp me get my daughter and wife to take CS Here's my problem. My daughter has the flu and my wife is coming down with a cold. Neither one will drink the CS because they have drunk it before and hate the metallic taste. i really don't notice much taste, it just seems a little flat to me, so no big deal for me. My daughter tried mixing it with Gatorade once, but was really upset with me because I 'ruined' perfectly good Gatorade and it tasted gross. Any suggestions on how to make it more palatable to finicky family members? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShelp for cracked vertebrae: magnets and frequencies
You need acupuncture, but if you really really want it to heal fast, you need medical qigong. The hard part is finding someone who is for real. Where are you located? - Original Message - From: Rowena new...@internode.on.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:37 AM Subject: Re: CShelp for cracked vertebrae: magnets and frequencies Another possibility: magnets. www.BiomagScience.net http://www.BiomagScience.net Also: Healing frequencies for fractures on Frex program available for free download from www.heal-me.com.au Experimental 50Hz and 100Hz has also displayed assistance in healing bone fractures and breaks. cafl frequencies: 220, 230, 1, 880, 787, 727, Comfrey ointment (comfrey knitbone old name)? Rowena My mom just called and my poor 80 year old dad has been diagnosed with a cracked vertebrae in his lower back...any suggestions on supplements that may help with the healing? Or is surgery the only answer? Thanks in advance folks, Debbie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScracked vertebrae
Pain results from local qi and blood stagnation. Acupuncture is the best, there are also some great herbs. You could also try essential oils to move qi and blood. - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:12 AM Subject: CScracked vertebrae Since the pain is so bad, you might consider a 2 1/2 lb. therapeutic magnet for direct application. My mom said it was the only thing that made her think that she could maybe stand the pain from popped discs from osteoporosis, largely due to Vit D dificiency. If you have trouble getting the Alta silica, then Eidon liquid silica drops are a highly usuable item. In less than a week, I am seeing remarkable improvements in my skin with this. A good powdered full range supplement such as Julian Whitaker's Forward formula may prove valuable. Certainly zinc and selenium cannot be overlooked. Green drinks will give a real boost too. I am very sorry to hear of your Dad's plight. He can heal, but he will need greater amounts of most nutrients. Vit. C is indispensable and of great importance as everyone knows. I hope he gets the same or better results with the magnet. Sure was a relief for my mom and she had several pop. Best wishes, pj ps lots of magnesium too!! :) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS Testimonies
I am a new comer to your colloidal silver site. Would it be possible everyone who has had a personal positive experience or someone they know really well, give a short testimony. Maybe there are old files that could be printed. I think this would be very helpful to everyone,new,old and doubting relatives. Include animal stories also.Just a note. Why do you indicate site as CS, why not EIS. Could one conclude that CS might make you blue, where EIS won't. Thanks Marty
