Re: CS>Cough

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Dr Marc Sircus recommends using nascent iodine in a nebuliser as the best thing 
for chest infections…dee


> On 27 Mar 2016, at 21:40, Sandee George  wrote:
> 
> Hi There to all - I have a theory which may make no sense to anyone but me, 
> with the global warming and all the stuff being released into the air by 
> natural and human work there are new bugs out there who do not react to the 
> known old
> time and true remedies - however I still believe in the old folk and what 
> they knew so use herbs more than anything else
> Happy Easter to all on this list 
> Sandee🐬
> An Attitude of Gratitude is everything !!!
> Sandra George
> Colloidal Silver Products
> Eye Drops & Topical Gel
> aliveagai...@yahoo.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 27 Mar 2016, at 3:56 pm, Jean Baugh  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I had a cough that came on slowly over many months and finally one day I
> could not speak a sentence without coughing.  I¹d wake up in the middle of
> the night coughing so it wasn¹t all about talking.
> 
> An Omron palm sized nebulizer was used with colloidal silver.  No help.
> 
> I went to the doctor who said, Hm, and gave me some trial packages of
> guinea pig stuff.  No help.
> 
> All my family thought I had lung or throat cancer and I did too.  It was
> now up to me.
> 
> I nebulized saturated salt solution.  Hard on the nebulizer.  No help.
> 
> I nebulized baking soda.  No help.
> 
> Finally in desperation I nebulized 3% hydrogen peroxide straight and
> promptly coughed until nearly passing out.  Obviously it was far too
> strong and far too much.  I thought about it and then inhaled a shallow
> breath, then another shallow breath etc.
> 
> Perhaps all of these things helped but it seems the 3% hydrogen peroxide
> did the job. If I had it to do again, would use 3% food grade hydrogen
> peroxide and dilute it down with distilled water.
> 
> Jean
> 
> *  
> 
> On 3/27/16, 7:30 AM, "Dorothy Fitzpatrick"  wrote:
> 
>> Mind you Ode, sodium bicarbonate is a truly amazing medicine in itself!
>> dee
>> 
>> 
>>> On 27 Mar 2016, at 10:09, Ode Coyote  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've found Ionic Silver to be HIGHLY effective [systemic use] if the
>>> stomach acid is neutralized with sodium bicarbonate first.
>>> https://silverpuppy.com/article/tactic-that-worked-for-me
>>> 
>>> ode
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:14 AM, Dee  wrote:
>>> To get argyria you would need to either take gallons of high strength
>>> CS over many years (and sometimes not even then) or - like the 'blue'
>>> man, you would have to make silver salts by adding salt to the mixDee
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 26 Mar 2016, at 04:47, Joe  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thank you, Phil, for this direct advice.  I would go even further and
>>>> say that it's best to take CS on an empty stomach, and hold it on your
>>>> mouth for at least 30 seconds.
>>>> I'm new to making CS, and the amount of bad advice or perhaps even
>>>> purposeful misdirection on the internet seems overwhelming. I would
>>>> think that Big Pharma would love to have a bunch of people with argyria
>>>> crop up to support a ban on CS. With Big Pharma closing huge antibiotic
>>>> R&D and manufacturing centers, it's critical that people know how to
>>>> make and use CS safely.  It would be great to see a basic protocol for
>>>> safe CS use. 
>>>> Joe Robinson
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Phil Morrison 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is nothing that may be added to CS that
>>>>> will enhance its performance.   Nothing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> CS must be taken straight.  Additions to CS will
>>>>> only compromise its performance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any suggestions to the contrary are misdirection.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Phil
>>>>> Chemist
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
> 
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Re: CS>Bronchitis probably

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

A lot of blood pressure drugs cause coughing because they affect the kidneys 
which can’t clear things properly and get transported to the lungs where they 
lodge for a while….dee


> On 27 Mar 2016, at 11:14, Frank Cuns-Rial  wrote:
> 
> Hello list Many prescription drugs cause coughing.
> Cheers
> Frank ND
> 
> On 3/26/2016 10:23 PM, Gmail wrote:
>> Nothing seems to work. Frequent dry cough. No temperature.
>> Olive leaf extract, aged garlic extract, vapor rub on neck and chest,
>> vitamin c, lobelia, tea tree oil in steam bath, colloidal silver in
>> nebulizer, cs in neti pot,- all are being used- not all at once but
>> different times of the day for a week. Any suggestions?
>> I am in considerable distress. Oximeter reads 93.
>> Could possibly be related to concurrent hay fever symptoms?
>> Could be environmental? Chemtrails? Tilling the organic garden a week ago?
>> Would a hyperbaric chamber help?
>> HELP!
>> 
>> The Austrian School outlook is best seen in the response of Ludwig von
>> Mises to this question: “Professor Mises, if you were given complete
>> power over the economy, what would you do?” His one-word answer defines
>> the Austrian School: “Resign.”
>> 
>> 
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Re: CS> Using Effectively

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Mind you Ode, sodium bicarbonate is a truly amazing medicine in itself!  dee


> On 27 Mar 2016, at 10:09, Ode Coyote  wrote:
> 
> I've found Ionic Silver to be HIGHLY effective [systemic use] if the stomach 
> acid is neutralized with sodium bicarbonate first.  
> https://silverpuppy.com/article/tactic-that-worked-for-me
> 
> ode
> 
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:14 AM, Dee  wrote:
> To get argyria you would need to either take gallons of high strength CS over 
> many years (and sometimes not even then) or - like the 'blue' man, you would 
> have to make silver salts by adding salt to the mixDee
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 26 Mar 2016, at 04:47, Joe  wrote:
> 
>> Thank you, Phil, for this direct advice.  I would go even further and say 
>> that it's best to take CS on an empty stomach, and hold it on your mouth for 
>> at least 30 seconds. 
>>  I'm new to making CS, and the amount of bad advice or perhaps even 
>> purposeful misdirection on the internet seems overwhelming. I would think 
>> that Big Pharma would love to have a bunch of people with argyria crop up to 
>> support a ban on CS. With Big Pharma closing huge antibiotic R&D and 
>> manufacturing centers, it's critical that people know how to make and use CS 
>> safely.  It would be great to see a basic protocol for safe CS use. 
>> Joe Robinson
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Phil Morrison  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>>  There is nothing that may be added to CS that
>>>  will enhance its performance.   Nothing.
>>> 
>>>  CS must be taken straight.  Additions to CS will
>>>  only compromise its performance.
>>> 
>>>  Any suggestions to the contrary are misdirection.
>>> 
>>>  Phil
>>>  Chemist
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>>   
> 


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Re: CS>Fixing Hyper/Hypothyroidism without drugs

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I don’t think that is a very nice thing to say as people love their animals 
very much and should be afforded sympathy and respect.  I understand what you 
are saying and have some sympathy with your view, but I think you could have 
expressed it with a bit more humanity….dee


> On 13 Mar 2016, at 20:40, Evan Jones  wrote:
> 
> <2wordsproduct...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks Evan. There's a lot of info to digest here. A couple of  things.
>>   1 - a protocol of detox is needed this time - specifically for a
>>   feline. Small animal medicine.
> 
> You mean I spent 2 hours writing this post for a bloody CAT?
> 
>> We have now officially removed
>> ourselves from conventional veterinary practice after thousands upon
>> thousands of dollars were thrown at the them for absolutely no
>> relief. So now we do things the better way.
> 
> Do give up on the vet yet. That cat is suffering; it is in bad shape.
> 1. Take the cat back to the vet ASAP
> 2. Have it put down
> 3. Go to the SPCA and get a new one.
> 
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Re: CS>Lipo C - Question

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

apparently the home-made item is NOT the same as the one made by Live-On labs, 
whose scientists have tested it.  I can’t see why they would lie because they 
would be found out easily I would have thought.  Also apparently, Dr Mercola 
(who I respect) makes a liposome vitamin C which is again, NOT liposomal at 
all.  dee

> On 10 Mar 2016, at 17:24, Ron  wrote:
> 
> Sounds right to me. If he can be so wrong about IV C then his credibility is 
> pretty much shot.
> Even Dr. Mercola is on the the bandwagon with Liposomal D. But then, although 
> Mercola does have a lot of good info, he seems to be  primarily engaged in 
> marketing.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSCv5_41j88
> Mercola shows in detail how he says it works but offers no study to back it 
> up.
> 
> On 3/10/2016 9:10 AM, Max wrote:
>> I like Levy.that said, if you look at the studies, only perhaps 1% of 
>> liposomes get through intact.  The ones that do are quickly attacked by the 
>> immune system.  Liposomes delivering their contents to cells by direct 
>> 'melding' is a myth.A 5x or greater absorption effeciency is also a 
>> myth.  So we are left with the anecdotal evidence that liposome C  works 
>> wonders.   Note that Levy DOES in fact promote the Livon product.  My 
>> feeling is that adding lecithin to vitamin C in a blender allows essentially 
>> the same digestion and biological effect.   Ive tried both and can tell no 
>> difference.   For me, the main thing is getting the really good lecithen.  I 
>> cant stand the regular soy stuff.  There is also evidence it isnt healthy.  
>> Organic sunflower lecithin seems to be the ticket.   The secret to absorbing 
>> a lot of Vit C is taking it at short intervals.Vit C loading of the body 
>> by IV  is many, many times greater than by liposome C.This is perhaps 
>> Levy's most egregious error
>> 
>> On 3/10/2016 8:14 AM, Ron wrote:
>>> Thank you for mentioning Liposomal. I have never heard of it before.
>>> 
>>> Exposing the truth about liposomal nutrients [FAVORABLE]
>>> http://www.peakenergy.com/articles/nh20140411/Exposing-the-truth-about-liposomal-nutrients/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/8/2016 10:48 PM, mk wrote:
 Is there a bare minimum ultrasonic unit I can get on ebay that will do the 
 job other than Freight Harbor? They're basically all made in China - so am 
 looking at those right now.
 
 And - why would lipo vitamin c be the better option for someone with 
 kidney/liver issues?
 
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Re: CS>Distilled/Demin/Deionised/RO water?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I am in the UK and there are many outlets you can buy distilled water from 
online as I used to.  I now make my own with an OdeV counter top distiller, so 
I don’t know why they think there isn’t any available here.  You can’t buy it 
in big sizes in the supermarkets though….dee


> On 9 Apr 2015, at 00:11, Neville  wrote:
> 
> I know nothing about making EIS using Demin, RO or Deionised water, but a 
> person in the UK wants to make some EIS.  Apparently the only water available 
> in the UK are those mentioned above, is it OK to use this water for making 
> EIS?
> 
> I would be thinking it's OK, it will just take longer to brew a batch perhaps.
> 
> I don't think a home distiller is an option here either.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> N.


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Re: CS>New Generator choice of three?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I have had a Silver Puppy for 8 years or so and have the same rods and magnetic 
stirrer with no sign of them wearing out anytime soon.  it makes consistently 
good CS - I make my own distilled water so get no discolouration problems due 
to water not being good.  It does the reverse polarity thing as well and turns 
itself off when it reaches 10ppm.  You can manually turn it on again as it has 
an auto/manual switch and you can set it to make a higher ppm if you want.  Ken 
is really good when asked advice (straight to the point) and has integrity, 
which I would question with a lot of manufacturers.  I don’t think you can make 
such large batches as you can with the Silvegen, but am not sure.  This is 
another good machine according to people on the list who have one.  HTH dee


On 29 Sep 2014, at 20:05, V  wrote:

> I am interested in a new machine also as mine doesn't have a stir method and 
> seems a bit fragile. I also would like to know if any lend themselves easily 
> to using silver coins instead of silver wire. I bought two .999 percent 
> silver and hope to use them. Thanks!
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Top Dog  wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> New here but have been devouring everything on silver for the past week and I 
> found this list through one of the forums.  There are certainly some 
> confusing statements that I have been encountering from people and creators 
> of machines but I think I have it narrowed down to three choices and I am 
> looking for opinions on which to go with.
> 
> My goals are to make 10-20ppm of ionic silver preferably in quart sizes but 
> if feasible then a gallon would be great.  I'm looking for something that 
> won't take 12 hrs to do a batch and will stand the test of time as far as 
> reliability goes and can be used every day or every other day if needed and 
> can be repaired easily if needed with support from the manufacturer.  Also 
> must have some sort of mechanical stirrer as from what I have read, a bubbler 
> is a bad idea. I'm not interested in a toy.  My budget is $350-$400
> 
> It appears that I have come down to these three units from what I have read 
> and gathered so far, but if anyone has another unit that falls into my 
> specifications then please let me know.
> 
> The units are:
> 1.  Silver Puppy:   Seems like alot of people are pleased with this unit and 
> it certainly has a good price point.  Trying to find out more info on how 
> long the rods will last etc and if it will do larger batch's but might have 
> missed it on the website so I am going to check again for those answers.  
> Seems like it has been reliable for people.  Not sure on the magnetic stirrer 
> unit as I am not sure of its longevity.  May just pick a used lab unit up 
> somewhere.
> 
> 2.  Silver Gen Model SG6 Auto:  Manufacturer touts the uniqueness of this 
> unit and has a built in mechanical stirrer. Within my budget. 
> 
> 3.  Silver Lungs:  Watched the videos and read a few websites that tout the 
> commercial like nature of this machine and it's reliability.  I do like the 
> bigger silver rods as it should keep from having to buy a new set for a 
> while.  Like the polarity reversal function to keep the rods evenly used.  
> Also not sure if having the water a higher PH does really make a difference 
> although it sounds plausible.  This unit is high on my list but it does show 
> that it is 4 weeks on backorder which makes me wonder if there is a supply 
> problem or just that popular.
> 
> All in all I am looking to choose one of these machines unless something else 
> pops up but wanted some takes on what people thought of these machines if 
> they have used them before or know more about their differences to make me 
> have a decision either way.
> 
> Thanks for everyone's help.
> 
> -Bob
> 


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Re: CS>UTI

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

thank you so much for this Melly, glad you are well…dee


On 28 Jul 2014, at 16:42, Melly Bag  wrote:

> 
>  Hi Dee,
>  Being a diabetic, i am so prone to UTI/Cystitis.  The last attack i had was 
> horrible with so much pain and blood in the  urine and had to go every 
> two-three minutes.  That was almost two years ago.
> 
> I treated by drinking EIS with DMSO.  One ounce with one ml of DMSO every 25 
> minutes.  Then i would drink chilled water to remove the heat/burning pain at 
> the bladder area.   In four hours time it suddenly stopped and i had clear 
> urine.  I have since then not experienced the slightest symptoms of this 
> ailment.
> 
> I am not a physician.  This is what i did, it worked for me, and might not 
> work for others.  
> 
> Take care,
> Melly


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[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thank you. dee



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Why is there no unsubscribe option at the end of emails anymore? dee

CS>Unsubscribe

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Why is there no unsubscribe option at the end of emails anymore?  dee

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Re: CS>Cancer cure 19 July

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thanks lynne...dee



From: Lynne Toll 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 17:27:58 -0400
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Cancer cure 19 July
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hi ma, this is the link i posted.  it's a very informative documentary on
cancer.  has gotten lots of attention, offers plenty of credibility.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBUGVkmmwbk

best,
lynne


On Jul 19, 2013, at 5:14 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote:

> Can it be reposted please?  I seem not to have received the original post.
> Thanks.
> MA
> 
>>   
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>From: Sandee George 
>>  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>  Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 3:19 PM
>>  Subject: Re: CS>Cancer cure 19 July
>>   
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks for posting this one Lynne - it is of huge importance - I will make
>> sure it is circulated to all the people I know and work with - blessings
>> Sandee 🐬
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Re: CS>Candida

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

In what context did you use it with cancer please Teri?  My husband has just
been diagnosed with bladder cancer and I want to look into complementary
therapies.  Many thanks  dee


> From: Teri with Jasmine & Mykal in Spirit 
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> Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 07:36:34 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> Maybe grapefruit seed extract?
> 
> I have used GSE for lots of stuff - from cancer to yeasty dog ears to
> antibacterial internally, externally, household cleaning, etc.
> 
> Not sure about candida but definitely worth looking into. I know GSE has
> antifungal properties.
> 
> Teri and the Happy Hooligans
> 
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Re: CS>Fwd: PLEASE HELP RE MY HUSBAND..

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Sorry?  dee


> From: Sandee George 
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> 
> What are you referring to Dee - is this to reduce the speed at which you pull
> the trigger ?smile !!!In other words patience 
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Re: CS>Fw: colloidal_silver_antibiotics_infections.

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Hi Joe, is there a device that can be purchased as my husband has just been
diagnosed with colorectal cancer.  Thanks, dee



From: Joe Huard 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 18:06:35 -0400
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Fw: colloidal_silver_antibiotics_infections.
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
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   You could check out the microelectricitygermkiller group on Yahoo. We use
microcurrent to kill germs and some can avoid root canals that way.
 Joe H.
 
On 28/06/2013 3:10 PM, brick...@aol.com wrote:
 
 
> 
> When should I think of getting dentures? I have 22 teeth left, all with
> crowns, and am 82 years old. Dentist said my jawbone is OK and last checkup,
> no cavities or hardly any plaque. He found a tooth that was dead under a crown
> and did a root canal as he said the tooth could break otherwise. He did not
> even have to deaden the tooth as the nerve was nearly dead. I am not sure
> keeping dead teeth is the way to go. I brush every day with CS and baking
> soda. Any ideas?
>  
> Brickey
>  
>  
>  
>  
> In a message dated 6/28/2013 11:37:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> har...@telus.net writes:
>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Subject: colloidal_silver_antibiotics_infections.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> What else is new ?
>> 
http://www.naturalnews.com/040989_colloidal_silver_antibiotics_infections.htm>>
l
>>  
>>  Ho Hum !!
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Harold
>>  
>>  
>>  
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>  
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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2013 #170

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Isn¹t it great to have someone as knowledgeable as this on our list?  Thanks
Marshall.  dee



From: Marshall 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 09:44:16 -0400
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2013 #170
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:44:33 -0700 (PDT)

   First recent evidence is that petroleum is not from plants and animals,
but rather methane is outgassed from the center of the earth, and some is
trapped as natural gas.  Under heat and pressure it over long periods of
time becomes petroleum.  There is not complete agreement, and some
geologists do still think it is from plants and animals though.
 
 Petroleum is made up of lots of hydrocarbons from very short to very long
chains and also a number of cyclic compounds.  Some of the compounds are
very toxic, such as benzene and ether, others are completely inert, such as
petroleum jelly and mineral oil.
 
 Marshall
 
 On 6/13/2013 7:54 AM, PT Ferrance wrote:
>   
>  
> Then why is crude oil considered a carcinogen by some?
>  PT
>  
>  
> 
>  
>  
> 
> From: sol  
>  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>  Sent: Wed, June 12, 2013 8:35:33 PM
>  Subject: Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2013 #170
>  
>  PT Ferrance wrote:
>>  > petroleum USP is made from petroleum.
>  Ummm, petroleum is made from plants and animals by the geologic processes of
> the earth, and thus is as natural as any refined vegetable oil.
>  sol
>  
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Re: CS>CS for Leukemia

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I didn¹t think any cancer was Œcured¹ by chemo.  I thought it killed
everything and if the person had a really strong immune system, then they
just might survive the chemo.  dee



From: Melly Bag 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 21:07:49 -0700 (PDT)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: CS>CS for Leukemia
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Tue,  7 May 2013 21:07:51 -0700 (PDT)

Rod,
 
Do you mind sharing how he did the protocol?  How many ppm?  Did he use home
brewed CS?  How much did he take, and how many times a day?  Did he use DMSO
prior to ingesting the CS?  How long did it take to turn around the
leukemia?
 
I was under the impression leukemia is cured by chemo.  Now surely CS is
better coz it will not have side effects.
 
If it cleans the blood, I suppose, it might clean other cancers too?  Pls.
feel free to comment on my premise.
 
I really am interested.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Melly
 
=
 
Forwarded Message: RE: CS>blood cancer
RE: CS>blood cancer
Tuesday, May 7, 2013 7:57 PM
From: 
"Rod Samuelson" 
To: 
silver-list@eskimo.com
yes and his white blood count is almost normal
 

From: Bob Banever [mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 11:00 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>blood cancer
 
Is that the only therapy being used?
 

Re: CS>list archives & digital communication

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

They must have a hell of a big database!  Personally, I don¹t care who
accesses any of my info‹if they would ever bother that is ­ I have nothing
to hide.  dee



From: Rowena 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 10:11:29 +0800
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>list archives & digital communication
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Tue,  7 May 2013 19:11:09 -0700 (PDT)

   'Let's repeat that last part: "no digital communication is secure", by
which he means not that any communication is susceptible to government
interception as it happens (although that is true), but far beyond that: all
digital communications - meaning telephone calls, emails, online chats and
the like - are automatically recorded and stored and accessible to the
government after the fact'
 
 A relative who works for the Gvt in Oz told me long ago that they are all
'saved' but not necessarily listened to unless they are investigating.  Then
they can just retrieve it.
 
 Someone years ago either on this group or Rife (could have been dear Wayne
Fugitt) went with a technician on a job and saw acres of underground office
space with people listening in to phone calls.
 
 R
 

Re: CS>Silver Sol>

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thank you for your kind words.  To me, I think that advice on anything that
can help people with sometimes life threatening illnesses should be freely
available and welcomed on any list.  Sorry if you think I¹m wrong.  dee



From: Sandy 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:36:30 -0700 (PDT)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Silver Sol>
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:36:33 -0700 (PDT)

Wow! The 'owners' of yahoo groups are allowed to say what the posters can
post about and to delete the posts the deviate from that. If any of you know
Garnet of the LDN and DMSO groups used to be very strict about what could be
posted on 'her' forums. Mike of this forum used to be pretty strict about
what people were posting on 'his' forum too.
 
The only vested interest these owners have is to help others and keep the
subjects to the forum interests so it moves smoothly.
 
I suggest you and Cyndi start you own forum and just let it be a free for
all.
Sandy
 
--- On Mon, 4/29/13, Dorothy Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> 
> From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
> Subject: Re: CS>Silver Sol>
> To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Date: Monday, April 29, 2013, 11:16 AM
> 
> I agree Cyndi.  I was on a homeopathic list and the list owner would NOT allow
> ANY reference to colloidal silver (EIS) OR any information about how it cured
> so many ailments.  To me this smacks of vested interest.
> 
> I have used EIS on ALL my dogs, and you can¹t fake cures with dogs!  There was
> a horrendous enteritis type epidemic in my local park, which had many friends
> dogs in the vets on drips.  Mine were given EIS at the first sign of vomiting
> and/or disinterest in food (always a dire warning of things not right) and
> were cured within a day.  This happened so many times that I am totally sure
> of the internal use power of silver.  Indeed, my dogs never went to the vets
> at all.  dee
> 
> 
> 
> From: Cyndi 
> Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:27:39 -0400
> To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Subject: Re: CS>Silver Sol>
> Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:27:55 -0700 (PDT)
> 
>
> On 4/29/2013 9:41 AM, Joe Huard wrote:
>  
>  
>>  Way to go, Sandy. You covered all of the points that I was thinking of
>> making, as I am on that germkiller group also. The list owner is Bob Luhrs
>> who signs as baby_grand or bG.
>>  This might be already suggested, but why not "test" the difference between
>> these 2 possible forms of nano silver before coming to the conclusion that
>> Silver Sol is just marketing hype? To do that we need a person with an open
>> mind who has already experienced CS/EIS and knows how it acts with them.
>> Then, compare how Silver Sol acts.
>>  I plan to buy some SS to test internally, but I have little experience with
>> CS to compare it to.
>>  
>>  Joe H.
>>  
> 
>  Why not allow posts defending cs's ability to kill internally on the
> germkiller group? I have direct and personal experience with it. The only
> reason I can think of is that it disproves bg's assumption that it doesn't
> work internally. Why would someone with an open mind not want to hear real
> life proof that cs can reduce a viral load and share it with the group?
>  
>  I am totally open minded, want to know what Silver Sol is and what it may do
> for me, but when it's attached to statements that are flat out lies how can I
> trust what that person says? When I refute those lies with personal, factual
> evidence and it's hidden from the group how can I give that person my trust? I
> have viral load tests that show in black and white what happened when I took
> cs. It's totally relevant to the original post and other posts related to SS
> were put through.
>  
>  What happened was dishonest and definitely slanted towards this other
> product. The list owner isn't encouraging testing them against each other at
> all. He's pushing one while sitting on information about the other.
>  
>  Cyndi
>  

Re: CS>Silver Sol>

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I agree Cyndi.  I was on a homeopathic list and the list owner would NOT
allow ANY reference to colloidal silver (EIS) OR any information about how
it cured so many ailments.  To me this smacks of vested interest.

I have used EIS on ALL my dogs, and you can¹t fake cures with dogs!  There
was a horrendous enteritis type epidemic in my local park, which had many
friends dogs in the vets on drips.  Mine were given EIS at the first sign of
vomiting and/or disinterest in food (always a dire warning of things not
right) and were cured within a day.  This happened so many times that I am
totally sure of the internal use power of silver.  Indeed, my dogs never
went to the vets at all.  dee



From: Cyndi 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:27:39 -0400
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Silver Sol>
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:27:55 -0700 (PDT)

   
On 4/29/2013 9:41 AM, Joe Huard wrote:
 
 
>   Way to go, Sandy. You covered all of the points that I was thinking of
> making, as I am on that germkiller group also. The list owner is Bob Luhrs who
> signs as baby_grand or bG.
>  This might be already suggested, but why not "test" the difference between
> these 2 possible forms of nano silver before coming to the conclusion that
> Silver Sol is just marketing hype? To do that we need a person with an open
> mind who has already experienced CS/EIS and knows how it acts with them. Then,
> compare how Silver Sol acts.
>  I plan to buy some SS to test internally, but I have little experience with
> CS to compare it to.
>  
>  Joe H.
>  
 
 Why not allow posts defending cs's ability to kill internally on the
germkiller group? I have direct and personal experience with it. The only
reason I can think of is that it disproves bg's assumption that it doesn't
work internally. Why would someone with an open mind not want to hear real
life proof that cs can reduce a viral load and share it with the group?
 
 I am totally open minded, want to know what Silver Sol is and what it may
do for me, but when it's attached to statements that are flat out lies how
can I trust what that person says? When I refute those lies with personal,
factual evidence and it's hidden from the group how can I give that person
my trust? I have viral load tests that show in black and white what happened
when I took cs. It's totally relevant to the original post and other posts
related to SS were put through.
 
 What happened was dishonest and definitely slanted towards this other
product. The list owner isn't encouraging testing them against each other at
all. He's pushing one while sitting on information about the other.
 
 Cyndi
 

Re: CS>Silver Sol>

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I thought our silver was a nano product!  I thought Œcolloidal¹ meant
Œsmallest particle i.e Œnano¹.  dee



From: Sandy 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:22:42 -0700 (PDT)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Silver Sol>
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:22:46 -0700 (PDT)

FYI...
 
In the first place, the owner of the germkiller forum is a 'he' not a "she."
 
In the second place, he gave a very strict criteria for posting to the
silver sol subject. We were warned if we did not follow that criteria he
would not post our comments so clearly you refused to follow the criteria.
He told you not to be offended if he did not post your comment and that it
was nothing personal. If you're pissed it's because you want to be pissed,
IMO.
 
Thirdly, he never said CS was of no use...he said it worked quite well for
external uses and as many others have claimed in the past, CS is destroyed
by stomach acids and is not allowed to reach the intestines. Is this true? I
have no idea?
 
Forthly, the owner of the germkiller site was and is not trying to sell a
darn thing and I take offense of anyone saying such a thing on the word of
someone who did not even know he was a male or who did not personally read
his post.
 
Silver Sol is represented as being a nano product and not CS as we know it.
I've done some research and suggest others do the same before making
comments about itpositive or negative. I've personally never tried it so
cannot speak to it's effectiveness.
 
Sandy
 
--- On Sun, 4/28/13, Cyndi  wrote:
> 
> From: Cyndi 
> Subject: CS>Silver Sol
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Sunday, April 28, 2013, 7:54 AM
> 
> There is a Yahoo group called germkiller which usually sticks to electronic
> currents to heal but the owner of the group just posted that cs is no good,
> that it doesn't do anything taken internally and that we should all be using
> Silver Sol instead. What is it, does anyone know?
> 
> She gave a link
> http://www.rxsilver.com/html/silver_sol_versus_colloidal_si.html
> 
> When I posted that I've had successes with cs she refused to post that. I'm
> kinda pissed that she would post what she did and not let anyone refute her.
> 
> Cyndi
> 
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Re: CS>Renee~

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I¹m so sorryx dee



From: Lena Guyot 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:42:18 -0400
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Renee~
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 08:42:18 -0700

In the quantum entanglement, we are all filaments of great light. Renée
was/is one of these who touched our own and will continue to do so as we
touch her bright memory. We feel the sad pull in the entire net of light
with her passing.

Be well,
Léna 
On Apr 14, 2013, at 7:04 PM, maniaka rose wrote:

> I posted this to our list few hours ago.  Thought everyone here would
> like to know.
> 
> We are all lighting candles for this beautiful lady~
> 
> rose
> 
> ~
> 
> Afternoon everyone,
> 
> I¹ve put off updating on Renee¹s condition till she came to the
> conclusion herself that Œit¹s time¹.  She had a good day last Tuesday,
> wrote a cheery email, then lapsed into mostly sleeping/pain meds.
> I¹ve kept in touch with Larry.  So I¹ve been expecting this if she was
> strong enough to write.  I¹ve edited out some personal back and forth
> but this will give you ample feel for the time at hand.
> 
> I¹m lighting a candle for her today and will keep it going thru her
> passing.  As Mara wrote to me earlierŠ
> 
> I am visualizing her leaving at peace and without a lot of painŠ.
> 
> ~
> Know that all we did for her brought something to her life that she
> did not have.  She realized how much she is loved by us.  She came to
> value herself more and in that was able to let go of so many angers
> and resentments from her life¹s journey.  Nothing heals a broken heart
> like tons of love being thrown at it.
> 
> While we were not able to save her body we along with others did save
> her heart.  I can say this unequivocally from communications we have
> had over these last months.  And for a short while she had hope and
> some very very good days.  She has a peace in her now that was not
> there before we all showered her with our gifts of love both
> physically and in emails/bday wishes etc.  Each day packages arriving
> brought her tears of joy.
> 
> I¹ll keep everyone posted~
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Gaiacita [ mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 1:41 PM
> 
> Subject: Re: hello
> 
> well, this message isn't so delightful.  i'm loosing the battle.  i
> have no more good days, just tolerable and intolerable and the
> intolerable is winning out.
> i guess if i'd have been much more forceful at the beginning, but on
> the other hand i think i put it off because of wanting to go home.
> who knows.  as i said--no one gets out of here alive.
> 
> i so appreciate my brothers--Larry of course is here constantly.  Skip
> is coming in tomorrow for a week.  Joey has been so good.  he never
> leaves my side.
> so i don't know how much longer i'll be here.  at this rate it could
> be weeks but i don't want to drag it on that long.  we'll see.
> i know you of all people will understand.  now i'm no longer at the
> point of wanting to leave, and that i want to stay for all different
> reasons, the choice has been taken from me i think.
> 
> well, too tired for more.  thinking of you always.  oh--and the sale
> on the 2 acres is going through thankfully.  we should sign the papers
> friday.  this means so much to me to know that joey will have some
> breathing space with the finances and that Larry will be paid off
> before i go.
> 
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Re: CS>Stem Cell / Cleopatra's milk

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thanks Jane.  dee



From: Jane MacRoss 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 22:44:58 +1100
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Stem Cell / Cleopatra's milk
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 04:45:06 -0700

Dee if you are still able to buy untreated raw organic almonds, they made a
lovely milk // Jane
>  
> - Original Message -
>  
> From:  Dorothy Fitzpatrick <mailto:d...@deetroy.org>
>  
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>  
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 7:00 PM
>  
> Subject: Re: CS>Stem Cell /  Cleopatra's milk
>  
> 
> So lucky ­ we can¹t get it at all here in the UK ­  unless you live on a farm
> and steal some before its sent to be Œmade safe!¹dee
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  From: Del 
> Organization:  Alternative Systems
> Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Date:  Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:51:13 -0400
> To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Subject:  Re: CS>Stem Cell / Cleopatra's milk
> Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Resent-Date:  Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:51:18 -0700
> 
> Here is a ten minute video that explains some of the  most crucial things that
> are wrong with processed milk ­ and, by inference,  what is right with raw
> milk.  Well worth your ten minutes, this is an  excerpt from the 2 hour video
> ³The Whole Truth About Milk² which can be  purchased from Amazon.com.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K64YK1AAFYo
> Here  in Vermont, we are blessed to be able to legally purchase raw milk at
> farms  that are only a few minutes away from the city.  It has made a major
> difference to my health, especially since I am able to make raw milk Kefir out
> of it and consume it every day.
>  
> Del
> 
> From: James McDonald <mailto:kscma...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:17 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject:  Re: CS>Stem Cell / Cleopatra's milk
>  
> They don't want people to  know how bad the regular milk is, loaded with
> antibiotics, the cows having  mastitis and putting all kinds of bad crap into
> the milk,  bacterial or mycotic organisms and all the other junk. They just
> pasteurized the milk and call it safe. All the natural things that were  in
> the milk now are destroyed, if people drink the raw milk and thry feel  better
> and people don't get bad reactions from the raw milk (I grew up with my
> grandfarther giving us milk straight from the cow and we had no problems! If
> enough people realize how bad regular milk is and how good raw milk is there
> would be a revolt! But "They" don't want anybody to find out or pass this info
> along. Notice that milk alleriges only started with all the crap they started
> puttig into the cows? And with almost 100% of the cows with mastitis puttting
> all kinds of junk and leftover bacterial/mycotic organisms into basically a
> organic toxic waste/antibiotic dump and we are supposed to drink this??
> 
>  
>  
> 
>  From: Cyndi 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent:  Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:52 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Stem Cell /  Cleopatra's milk
> 
> On 3/23/2013 8:56 PM, Jane MacRoss wrote:
>> >  It is illegal to sell raw milk for consumption here in Australia and  so
>> > they state it is for bathing only & call it Cleopatra's
>> >  Jane
>> > 
> 
> It's illegal in many parts of the US too so they sell it  "for pet consumption
> only". I do let the pets have a  little!
> 
> Cyndi
> 
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Re: CS>Stem Cell / Cleopatra's milk

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

So lucky ­ we can¹t get it at all here in the UK ­ unless you live on a farm
and steal some before its sent to be Œmade safe!¹   dee



From: Del 
Organization: Alternative Systems
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:51:13 -0400
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Stem Cell / Cleopatra's milk
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:51:18 -0700

Here is a ten minute video that explains some of the most crucial things
that are wrong with processed milk ­ and, by inference, what is right with
raw milk.  Well worth your ten minutes, this is an excerpt from the 2 hour
video ³The Whole Truth About Milk² which can be purchased from Amazon.com.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K64YK1AAFYo
Here in Vermont, we are blessed to be able to legally purchase raw milk at
farms that are only a few minutes away from the city.  It has made a major
difference to my health, especially since I am able to make raw milk Kefir
out of it and consume it every day.
 
Del
 
From: James McDonald 
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:17 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Stem Cell / Cleopatra's milk
 
They don't want people to know how bad the regular milk is, loaded with
antibiotics, the cows having mastitis and putting all kinds of bad crap into
the milk, bacterial or mycotic organisms and all the other junk. They just
pasteurized the milk and call it safe. All the natural things that were in
the milk now are destroyed, if people drink the raw milk and thry feel
better and people don't get bad reactions from the raw milk (I grew up with
my grandfarther giving us milk straight from the cow and we had no problems!
If enough people realize how bad regular milk is and how good raw milk is
there would be a revolt! But "They" don't want anybody to find out or pass
this info along. Notice that milk alleriges only started with all the crap
they started puttig into the cows? And with almost 100% of the cows with
mastitis puttting all kinds of junk and leftover bacterial/mycotic organisms
into basically a organic toxic waste/antibiotic dump and we are supposed to
drink this?? 

 

From: Cyndi 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Stem Cell / Cleopatra's milk

On 3/23/2013 8:56 PM, Jane MacRoss wrote:
> It is illegal to sell raw milk for consumption here in Australia and so
> they state it is for bathing only & call it Cleopatra's
> Jane
> 

It's illegal in many parts of the US too so they sell it "for pet
consumption only". I do let the pets have a little!

Cyndi


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Re: CS>Stem Cell

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I have heard this too melly.  dee



From: Melly Bag 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:16:58 -0700 (PDT)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: CS>Stem Cell
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:16:58 -0700

Does anyone know if taking colloidal silver/EIS orally will help make stem
cells?
 
Thanks.
 
Melly

Re: CS>Vitamin E

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I prefer my Vit D3 and K2 combined sublingual spray which I get from NOW
foods at iHerb.  dee



From: Melly Bag 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:25:48 -0800 (PST)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: CS>Vitamin E
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:25:48 -0800

We take the vitamin E - Tocotrienol from annatto sold by AC Grace.
 
Also please note TOCOTRIEnol and TOCOpherol are not to be mixed in one
tablet or taken at the same time.  One cancels out the other.  We also take
the AC Grace Tocopheral.
 
Both products of AC Grace do not combine the Tocotrienol and the
Tocopherols.
 
Also please note Vitamin E is not to be combined with any B vitamin.
 
While taking E, you might want to take your COQ10 with it.  The difference
between UBIQUINOL   and UBIQUINONE is the presence of Vitamin E in the
UbiquiNOL.  And the price difference is big.
 
Vitamin K2 - K7 from Mercola is the best for  circulation/heart according to
my alternative/MD.
 
Melly

Re: CS>natural blood thinners . . .

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I thought this was the job of K2 when using Vit D3 i.e. Keeping calcium in
the bones instead of depositing it in the arteries.  dee



From: olushola camara 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 07:15:15 -0500
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>natural blood thinners . . .
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 04:15:14 -0800



On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:
> Note that Vitamin K helps with blood clotting, not blood thinning...

Vitamin K3 helps to keep calcium in the bones instead of in the tissues and
arterial walls.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2011/nov2011_Avoiding-the-Catastrophic-Event_
02.htm?source=search&key=jack%20lalanne is a good article about this.

Olushola

Re: CS> Blood thinning

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

You have to be really careful that the vit E you use is not rancid.  Rancid
Vit E is more harmful than no Vit E.  dee



From: RaVen 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 23:55:22 -0700
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS> Blood thinning
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 22:55:29 -0800

Which vitamin E (soy-free, dye-free, preservative-free) supplement do you
recommend for people to take? It seems we have to consume so much expensive
organic food only to get adequate amounts.
And should vitamin E be paired up with another vitamin or mineral?



Sent from my iPad

On Mar 4, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Harold"  wrote:

> The best description I heard from a good source was that Aspirin did not thin
> the blood,it only made the blood slippryer [spell ?],thereby not allowing it
> to clump or clot,or stick to the blood vessel walls..AND Vitamin E does the
> same.
> If I may relate what happened to my father back in 1942,[he was 45].He was an
> engineer in the Army,Staff sergeant.Had a severe coronary Occlusion,was
> medically discharged.Our old time Dr.  had him on one Drug only [by script in
> those days ], and it was Vitamin E.He lived until he was 77+.We never even
> knew what Vit. E was before then.
> AND,when I came back from England [RCAF] after the war ,I was enjoying [?] a
> form of PTSD ,guess what the same Dr. prescribed for me;you¹re right,VITAMIN
> E!!!
> TA DA !!! and I¹m still here,big as life and twice as unnatural.
> Keep your fingers crossed kiddies.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Harold
>  
>  

Re: CS>Juice fasts...

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Sorry bob, but it makes perfect sense to me, having embarked on various
vegetable only diets - and feeling like rubbish.  dee


> From: bob Larson 
> Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:59:25 -0800
> To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Subject: RE: CS>Juice fasts...
> Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:56:44 -0800
> 
>  
> ...wrong wrong wrong...
> 
> "I read very recently, that the whole reason for eating vegetables
> is to detox the liver and system.  It is not to nourish, "
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Juice fasts...

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I read very recently, that the whole reason for eating vegetables is to
detox the liver and system.  It is not to nourish, protein is for nourishing
and fat and carbs for energy.  People who only eat veggies are in a
permanent state of detoxing but not getting a lot of nourishment.  I think
the answer is in the old saying of moderation and balance in everything.
dee



From: PT Ferrance 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 15:56:50 -0800 (PST)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Juice fasts...
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 15:56:50 -0800

Hi Mike,
I don't do juice fasts because when I was in Acupuncture school we saw too
many long term vegetarians and raw foodists with severe health issues whose
systems had to be trained to digest other foods again.  Digestion is
basically a fermentation process.  That means that when we eat our bodies
must bring the temperature (physical and thermodynamic) of the food to the
temperature of the body in order to ferment/digest it.  If the food is
physically or thermodynamically cold it must be warmed and that takes
energy.  Over time the digestive system becomes impacted and functions less
efficiently and health issues ensue.
Very simplified to be sure but still true.
PT

Re: CS>Thyroid

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thanks Donna ­ that is what I thought.  I think I will try the nascent
iodine instead and see if it works.  I did take iodine occasionally, when I
felt really tired ­ before I was diagnosed by the doctor.  It did work too,
but I just didn¹t carry on with it.  Maybe I will this time.  Thanks again.
dee



From: Donna M Lewis 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 04:06:48 -0800
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: RE: CS>Thyroid
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 04:09:07 -0800

You can, but UK docs are just as bad as US ones.  I¹m British by the way,
but I¹ve lived in the US for the last 7 years.  Go to that site anyway
because there are UK folks that have testimonials on it.  You can also join
the Yahoo Group which has a lot more info in there.  You¹ll be able to find
out from the Yahoo group what doctors in the UK are willing to prescribe
Naturethroid or Armour Thyroid.  There¹s one poor Dr over there that keeps
being pulled up in front of the BMA to answer charges from other doctors
about prescribing Armour etc but he keeps winning the cases because all of
his patients back him up that they feel so much better under his care.  I
fear that his luck may run out though because some doctors really have it in
for him.
 
Most people who are on the Yahoo Group end up self treating.  You will be
able to get the medication but you may have to get it from overseas.  There
are places that you can get it from without prescription too.
 
Donna
 

From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 3:09 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Thyroid
 
Thank you for this Donna, can you tell me if its possible to get
Naturethyroid in the UK though?  I have a feeling that if its on
prescription, I will have a hell of a job persuading my doctor to give me
this.  dee


From: Donna M Lewis 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:41:55 -0800
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: RE: CS>Thyroid
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:44:16 -0800

Yep, it¹s Levothyroxine a T4 only medication.  You will never get better on
that.  They prescribe it on the basis that your body converts the T4 to T3
in your body and it does, but that¹s not all you need.  The body naturally
produces T4, T3 (and the body converts more T4 to T3 when it needs it), T2
T1 and Calcitonin.  T4 medication does not address the T2, T1 and
calcitonin.  No allopathic doctor or endocrinologist will medicate you so
that your symptoms go away.  In fact you may be unlucky enough to have to
eventually see the doctor because of depression, weight gain (that you
simply cannot lose regardless of how well you eat and exercise),
sluggishness ­ no energy, all over body aches (fibromyalgia/chronic fatigue
syndrome) all of which you¹ll be medicated for.
 
I¹ve already posted in another thread about this but if you want to read
other people¹s experiences, go to www.stopthethyroidmadness.com
<http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com>
<http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com> .
 
Donna
 

From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org]
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 11:14 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Thyroid

I have been tested and found to be low in thyroid and they have put me on
something called thyroxin.  Does anyone have any experience with this?  Many
thanks.   dee 

Re: CS>CS and RA: LOW DOSE NALTREXONE VS THYROID

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thanks Bob ­ probably have to take out a mortgage for the postage from here!
dee



From: bob Larson 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 03:47:20 -0800
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: RE: CS>CS and RA: LOW DOSE NALTREXONE VS THYROID
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 03:44:46 -0800

canada, india, mexico .......

>  
>  
> 
>  From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick  [mailto:d...@deetroy.org]
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 3:10  AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>CS and  RA: LOW DOSE NALTREXONE VS THYROID
> 
>  
> Where offshore Bob?  dee
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  From: bob Larson 
> Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Date:  Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:33:32 -0800
> To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Subject:  RE: CS>CS and RA: LOW DOSE NALTREXONE VS THYROID
> Resent-From:  "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Resent-Date:  Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:31:01 -0800
> 
> it's an orphan  generic at this time, but that may be changing as advanced
> trials and patents  are underway for new use.
> yes, it's Rx, but dirt cheap generic.
> so, to  be legal and safe with dealing with the medical industry you must have
> a  prescription.  doctors willing to go a tad outside their boxes and Rx an
> off-label use can be hard to find in many areas, although LDN awareness is
> spreading.
> many just buy it offshore in 50mg tabs.  one tab lasts over  two weeks.
> 
>  
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  From: PT  Ferrance  [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 10:44  AM
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Subject:  Re: CS>CS and  RA: LOW DOSE NALTREXONE VS THYROID
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> But don't you need a prescription for  it?
>> PT
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>>  
> 

Re: CS>Thyroid

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

So what are you doing now Laura?  I was wondering if taking extra iodine
would help.  dee



From: Laura Zolman 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:42:34 -0500
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: RE: CS>Thyroid
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:42:34 -0800

yes...I was diagnosed with hypo a few years ago...after much research and
expreraminting with my doctor (Internist) I am now no longer on any meds...n
one...I had to take a med for my thyroid for about 4 yearswas only on
Armour(natural which some doc hate..but it is a balanced T1-T2-T3-T4
products...for my thyroid..most docs in truth do not undertand what docs of
years ago knew abou the thyroid function...or the adrenal gland
involvement...

Docs dont know what the T 1 and T 2 do..so say they have no value.
here is a couple website...learn all you can...you dont want to travel the
horror story so many do today..
mostly because they dont know any different/better way to go...just follow
what the doc says..
http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://www.ivy-rose.co.uk/Define/Thyroxin

you will learn too...many do not believe the testing is enough..symtoms of =
our bodies should be as important has the TSH test.

I also recently learned how much histimine can affect the thyroiddid
research..then went to doc to discuss it...he said yes..he can very much
affect it..I said..for some reason..my allergies seen worst and it is
causing histimine issues

Well the mystery is solved..I have a negative reaction to cashews..which I
love and was eating many during the holidays..and the further in time away
from them..inflamation(and water retention) is gone..and even a clicking in
a thumb joint is gone...

so research research...


 
 
 
 

 

Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:13:48 +
From: d...@deetroy.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Thyroid

I have been tested and found to be low in thyroid and they have put me on
something called thyroxin.  Does anyone have any experience with this?  Many
thanks.   dee
   

Re: CS>CS and RA: LOW DOSE NALTREXONE VS THYROID

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Where offshore Bob?  dee



From: bob Larson 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:33:32 -0800
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: RE: CS>CS and RA: LOW DOSE NALTREXONE VS THYROID
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:31:01 -0800

it's an orphan generic at this time, but that may be changing as advanced
trials and patents are underway for new use.
yes, it's Rx, but dirt cheap generic.
so, to be legal and safe with dealing with the medical industry you must
have a prescription.  doctors willing to go a tad outside their boxes and Rx
an off-label use can be hard to find in many areas, although LDN awareness
is spreading.
many just buy it offshore in 50mg tabs.  one tab lasts over two weeks.

>  
>  
> 
>  From: PT Ferrance  [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 10:44  AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>CS and  RA: LOW DOSE NALTREXONE VS THYROID
> 
>  
>  
>  
> But don't you need a prescription for it?
> PT
>  
>  
>  
>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  

Re: CS>Thyroid

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thank you for this Donna, can you tell me if its possible to get
Naturethyroid in the UK though?  I have a feeling that if its on
prescription, I will have a hell of a job persuading my doctor to give me
this.  dee



From: Donna M Lewis 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:41:55 -0800
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: RE: CS>Thyroid
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:44:16 -0800

Yep, it¹s Levothyroxine a T4 only medication.  You will never get better on
that.  They prescribe it on the basis that your body converts the T4 to T3
in your body and it does, but that¹s not all you need.  The body naturally
produces T4, T3 (and the body converts more T4 to T3 when it needs it), T2
T1 and Calcitonin.  T4 medication does not address the T2, T1 and
calcitonin.  No allopathic doctor or endocrinologist will medicate you so
that your symptoms go away.  In fact you may be unlucky enough to have to
eventually see the doctor because of depression, weight gain (that you
simply cannot lose regardless of how well you eat and exercise),
sluggishness ­ no energy, all over body aches (fibromyalgia/chronic fatigue
syndrome) all of which you¹ll be medicated for.
 
I¹ve already posted in another thread about this but if you want to read
other people¹s experiences, go to www.stopthethyroidmadness.com
<http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com> .
 
Donna
 

From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org]
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 11:14 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Thyroid
 
I have been tested and found to be low in thyroid and they have put me on
something called thyroxin.  Does anyone have any experience with this?  Many
thanks.   dee 

CS>Thyroid

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I have been tested and found to be low in thyroid and they have put me on
something called thyroxin.  Does anyone have any experience with this?  Many
thanks.   dee

Re: CS>Vit C

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I get mine (sodium ascorbate) from iHerb.  It is a NOW foods product ­ very
reasonable.  dee



From: Paul Steel 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 13:35:57 -0800 (PST)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Vit C
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 13:35:57 -0800

I get my vit c from here

http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/
 
Paul Steel
h 508.520.6905
c 508.922.0519
The harder you work the luckier you get!
 

  
 
 
  

  From: Kathy Tankersley 
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 12:35 PM
 Subject: CS>Vit C
  
 
Hello, I am looking for a good Vit C to use, anyone out  have a good one
that you use?
 


 
 
  

Re: CS>yellow CS, also cayenne

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I believe it is perfectly ok if its yellow.  I would suggest oil of oregano
as well to use as I have recently had something like this and it worked very
well ­ along with the CS.  Dee  PS I know cayenne is good for the heart.



From: Ken & Nancy Bagwell 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:01:29 -0800 (PST)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: CS>yellow CS, also cayenne
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:01:30 -0800

Hey guys,
I bought some colloidal silver at my local healthfood store, and it is
yellow.  Is it still useful?  I need to use it for some mild bronchitis my
wife has, and for me (my lungs tingle a little).  The brand is Source
Naturals Wellness Colloidal Silver (30ppm).

Also, I heard that cayenne pepper helps by breaking up mucous.  Any tips on
how to administer that or your experience?

-Ken

Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

But because the vaccine is injected straight into the blood stream, it
avoids all the body's natural defense systems and therefore *doesn't* arm
the immune system in the way that you describe.  This is where the bad
effects are felt also.  dee


> From: Dan Nave 
> Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:53:56 -0600
> To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Subject: Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma
> Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:53:55 -0800
> 
> Neville,
> 
> I think you have some of that wrong.  Vaccinations are given precisely
> for the purpose of having the body mount an immune response.  You can
> make a case for problems caused by additives like thimerosol, and
> unintended hitchhiking viruses etc, but these are separate issues from
> the inherent value of vaccines.  One criticism might be that the
> immune system becomes too reactive because of these vaccinations.
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Neville Munn  wrote:
>> Absolutely 100% spot on, you've got my vote .
>> 
>> I tackled a woman a couple of years ago who had a kid less than one year old
>> and it already had 4 vaccines, and she was lining that kid up for a 5th.  I
>> asked her if she knew that a toddler must develop it's own natural
>> immunities to things as a kid and all those jabs would be doing is impairing
>> or retarding the bodies natural immune development as the kid gets older.
>> Of course I was ignored and considered an idiot - the classic brainwashed
>> dux of the class {opinion}.  She obviously had never considered the fact
>> that the establishment has got it wrong on the odd occasion?
>> 
>> Facts don't lie, if we were helped so much by cholesterol pills,
>> vaccinations, pharma medications blah blah we should be bouncing with
>> health, in fact it's the reverse, cholesterol is causing concern, more
>> people are losing their minds, more people are coming down with diseases
>> that are starting to make a comeback etc etc, we as a civilization are
>> becoming more and more unhealthy and dependant on medications in most cases
>> to keep people alive and functional.
>> 
>> I'm the cook here and if I drop anything on the floor in food preparation it
>> still goes into the pot, my wife goes ape but I ask her how the hell did we
>> ever get past the Neanderthal age if they worried about dropping a leg of
>> mammoth that had been char burnt on an open fire on a *dirt* floor in their
>> caves?  It's become a joke on me here cos I tell the family to get a grip on
>> reality, and besides, I'm helping them develop a great natural immunity,
>> they should be thanking me - LOL.  Bring 'em up tough I say, no room for
>> wooses in this world.
>> 
>> N.
>> 
>> 
>> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:27:43 -0500
>> 
>> Subject: Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma
>> From: phoenix23...@tds.net
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> 
>> 
>> One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the childhood
>> vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things about them
>> (small pox/polio)  but...   Most of us enter adulthood with immature immune
>> systems.  An oversimplification for sure, but one could say that developing
>> cancer is a failure of the immune system.  Children used to play outside in
>> the dirt, etc..  their mothers didn't haul them off to the doctor's office
>> for a magic pill every time they developed a little case of sniffles.  Years
>> ago, most people didn't  have access to tylenol etc. to lower children's
>> temps.  Minor childhood diseases can serve a useful purpose.  I did say
>> minor childhood diseases.. diseases  that are more disruptive and
>> aggravating (like chicken pox or mumps) than dangerous.   'They' say we, of
>> all preceding generations, live in almost pristine, sterile living
>> conditions compared to our forefathers.  Has that made us a healthier
>> population?
>> 
>> There was an article in the news a few years back that stated that cancer
>> researchers discovered that people who took antibiotics were more likely to
>> develop cancer, the implication being that somehow, taking a lot of
>> antibiotics could cause cancer.  I think they got the cart before the horse.
>> The fact that more people who took antibiotics developed cancer is a given
>> if you reverse the theory.  That is...   because of a weakened or immature
>> immune system or response, these people would become sick more often than
>> others (requiring more antibiotic therapy)  and they would fall prey to
>> cancer also because of a weakened or immature immune system.  In my opinion,
>> if not for the immune response in human beings, the race would have become
>> extinct a long time ago.  So, between an immature immune system and a toxic
>> environment, we seem to be sicker than ever.   Lola H.
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: CS>Re: Polio - vaccines

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I saw a programme on the telly that showed how vaccines were produced, and
apparently during the process it is possible for anything to develop
depending on whats also present in the medium they are using.  That is,
monkey brains, cat brains, foetus etc.,  it is found that if there are other
pathogens present when the vaccine is Œgrown¹ then this can influence the
product.  They have found that so-called Œstealth¹ viruses have been
introduced and even cancer.  This came from the mouth of a Merkk professor
who was involved with vaccine production and he admitted live on camera,
that he had personally probably been responsible for the introduction of the
Aids virus due to him using a different kind of monkey because they were
more available and cheaper than the recommended type.  dee



From: Steve G 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 00:23:50 -0500
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Re: Polio
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:23:43 -0800

in relatively recent years, it has been found that people who survived polio
infections when they were young became subject to a recurrence of it much
later in life.  I am not sure whether this is presented as an actual
infection, or with merely an intensified weakening of the affected body
part.  One must take care to consider all possibilities before arriving at a
firm conviction.  Personally, I doubt that the smallpox vaccine would be
implicated with polio issues, but I'd be open to persuation.

Steve

Re: CS>Oil of Oregano and colds/the sugar cure!

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thanks Bob, I will store for future use.  dee



From: Bob Banever 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 16:49:30 -0800
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: RE: CS>Oil of Oregano and colds/the sugar cure!
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 16:48:56 -0800

Here is a four hour cold cure using sugar!  Go to health-science-spirit.com.
Research from George Last shows that common sugar will cure a cold and even
influenza.  Also, if you want to shorten the duration of a cold get some
zinc acetate lozenges (called Zinx).  Google this for more info.  They work,
I¹ve used them successfully a couple of times.  Once at the first sign I
took them and it never developed, another after a day of symptoms I took
them (one dissolved in the mouth every two hours) and it was gone in two
days with the symptoms greatly diminished.
 
Bob
 


From: V [mailto:highergroun...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 12:46 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Oil of Oregano and colds
 
Every scrap of info on what is working for others is so helpful.

Thanks for sharing. So much to learn!

 

On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick  wrote:
Actually I've had to revise my original post as I have persevered with the
oil of oregano and have improved enormously in this week.  I just had a
couple of grotty days but now - a week later - there are almost no cold
symptoms at all--I'm happy to say.  I have taken o of o two or three times a
day, plus CS plus lemon balm and am now pleased with the results. Compared
to two people who I caught the cold from (they actually had a truly bad
'flu) my recovery is miraculous!  They had it for six weeks and still have
bad coughs, whereas I didn't really get a cough--just a tightness in the
chest which is now easing up.  A Happy New Year to you too.  Kind regards,
dee


> From: 123 456 
> Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 10:02:16 -0500

> To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Subject: Re: CS>Oil of Oregano and colds
> Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 07:02:17 -0800

>
> Hi Dot,
> I have to appologize profusely for not getting back to you afew months ago.
> I had the oportunity to move into a wonderful old farm house down the
> road from me and I had to mobilize the family, livestock and friends
> rather quickly, if you call a two month move quick LOL!
> I've been tryinng to destess just a little over the holiday but hope
> to be back up to speed by tomorrow when the world comes back to work.
> What are the symptoms of your cold?
> Oregano usually works only too well but I've had the chance to try
> some new immune system boosters latelytoo, gano, mushroom extracts to
> be precise.
> The blend I'm using has the Agaricus Blazarai in it.
> There isn't much on the web about it yet because it seems to be so new
> the20 years of research results aren't in yet.
>
> I've been sticking to mostly vegetarian foods lately too and my immune
> system is pretty good so maybe those green veges are helping.
>
> I'm still detoxing from that root canal that was infected. I'm taking
> the carnivora now and it is really working to clean up all that
> resdual infection and dead white blood cell (pus) stuff that has been
> over taxing my lymph.
> Interesting experience, but I'm thankful it's truly almost gone now.
> That muscadine grape sed lotion I was telling you about is still a
> great relief from the inflamation issues but it's mostly palliative,
> it doesn't go to the underlying issues of the infection but it
> certainly lets my body have a rest.
>
> Happy New Year, stay warm.
> Tara
>


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Re: CS>Oil of Oregano and colds

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Actually I've had to revise my original post as I have persevered with the
oil of oregano and have improved enormously in this week.  I just had a
couple of grotty days but now - a week later - there are almost no cold
symptoms at all--I'm happy to say.  I have taken o of o two or three times a
day, plus CS plus lemon balm and am now pleased with the results. Compared
to two people who I caught the cold from (they actually had a truly bad
'flu) my recovery is miraculous!  They had it for six weeks and still have
bad coughs, whereas I didn't really get a cough--just a tightness in the
chest which is now easing up.  A Happy New Year to you too.  Kind regards,
dee


> From: 123 456 
> Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 10:02:16 -0500
> To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Subject: Re: CS>Oil of Oregano and colds
> Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 07:02:17 -0800
> 
> Hi Dot,
> I have to appologize profusely for not getting back to you afew months ago.
> I had the oportunity to move into a wonderful old farm house down the
> road from me and I had to mobilize the family, livestock and friends
> rather quickly, if you call a two month move quick LOL!
> I've been tryinng to destess just a little over the holiday but hope
> to be back up to speed by tomorrow when the world comes back to work.
> What are the symptoms of your cold?
> Oregano usually works only too well but I've had the chance to try
> some new immune system boosters latelytoo, gano, mushroom extracts to
> be precise.
> The blend I'm using has the Agaricus Blazarai in it.
> There isn't much on the web about it yet because it seems to be so new
> the20 years of research results aren't in yet.
> 
> I've been sticking to mostly vegetarian foods lately too and my immune
> system is pretty good so maybe those green veges are helping.
> 
> I'm still detoxing from that root canal that was infected. I'm taking
> the carnivora now and it is really working to clean up all that
> resdual infection and dead white blood cell (pus) stuff that has been
> over taxing my lymph.
> Interesting experience, but I'm thankful it's truly almost gone now.
> That muscadine grape sed lotion I was telling you about is still a
> great relief from the inflamation issues but it's mostly palliative,
> it doesn't go to the underlying issues of the infection but it
> certainly lets my body have a rest.
> 
> Happy New Year, stay warm.
> Tara
> 



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Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Well said Neville‹as always. A Happy New Year to all on the list.  dee



From: Neville Munn 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:51:28 +1100
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: RE: CS> OT health / Big pharma
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:51:27 -0800

Absolutely 100% spot on, you've got my vote .

I tackled a woman a couple of years ago who had a kid less than one year old
and it already had 4 vaccines, and she was lining that kid up for a 5th.  I
asked her if she knew that a toddler must develop it's own natural
immunities to things as a kid and all those jabs would be doing is impairing
or retarding the bodies natural immune development as the kid gets older.
Of course I was ignored and considered an idiot - the classic brainwashed
dux of the class {opinion}.  She obviously had never considered the fact
that the establishment has got it wrong on the odd occasion?

Facts don't lie, if we were helped so much by cholesterol pills,
vaccinations, pharma medications blah blah we should be bouncing with
health, in fact it's the reverse, cholesterol is causing concern, more
people are losing their minds, more people are coming down with diseases
that are starting to make a comeback etc etc, we as a civilization are
becoming more and more unhealthy and dependant on medications in most cases
to keep people alive and functional.

I'm the cook here and if I drop anything on the floor in food preparation it
still goes into the pot, my wife goes ape but I ask her how the hell did we
ever get past the Neanderthal age if they worried about dropping a leg of
mammoth that had been char burnt on an open fire on a *dirt* floor in their
caves?  It's become a joke on me here cos I tell the family to get a grip on
reality, and besides, I'm helping them develop a great natural immunity,
they should be thanking me - LOL.  Bring 'em up tough I say, no room for
wooses in this world.

N.

Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I read somewhere that polio is a man-made disease that was introduced
accidentally in another vaccine‹as was AIDS.  dee



From: "phoenix23002 tds.net" 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:27:43 -0500
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:27:42 -0800

One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the childhood
vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things about them
(small pox/polio)  but...   Most of us enter adulthood with immature immune
systems.  An oversimplification for sure, but one could say that developing
cancer is a failure of the immune system.  Children used to play outside in
the dirt, etc..  their mothers didn't haul them off to the doctor's office
for a magic pill every time they developed a little case of sniffles.  Years
ago, most people didn't  have access to tylenol etc. to lower children's
temps.  Minor childhood diseases can serve a useful purpose.  I did say
minor childhood diseases.. diseases  that are more disruptive and
aggravating (like chicken pox or mumps) than dangerous.   'They' say we, of
all preceding generations, live in almost pristine, sterile living
conditions compared to our forefathers.  Has that made us a healthier
population?
 
There was an article in the news a few years back that stated that cancer
researchers discovered that people who took antibiotics were more likely to
develop cancer, the implication being that somehow, taking a lot of
antibiotics could cause cancer.  I think they got the cart before the
horse.  The fact that more people who took antibiotics developed cancer is a
given  if you reverse the theory.  That is...   because of a weakened or
immature immune system or response, these people would become sick more
often than others (requiring more antibiotic therapy)  and they would fall
prey to cancer also because of a weakened or immature immune system.  In my
opinion, if not for the immune response in human beings, the race would have
become extinct a long time ago.  So, between an immature immune system and a
toxic environment, we seem to be sicker than ever.   Lola H.
 
 

Re: CS>Oil of Oregano and colds

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thanks for this Lena ­ I never thought of it like that.  I have persevered
with the O of O and the cold has abated considerably.  I am also taking CS
and nebulizing with it as well as the cold has Œgone on my chest¹ now ­ for
want of a better expression.  I have great difficulty coughing as I have a
very small lung capacity and all I get is a tightness around the chest.
This is easing now after nebulising and I am still taking the O of O.  My
son is too‹much to my amazement as it tastes so foul ­ just to avoid getting
the cold, and so far, it seems to be working.  dee



From: Lena Guyot 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:35:55 -0500
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Oil of Oregano and colds
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:35:55 -0800

Hi Dee,

On the surface, you could be right, but when you consider that most cold
symptoms are actually indications of immune response, rising to the body's
defense, the oil of oregano may have spurred a more intense immune reaction,
that has reduced the damages of the cold.

I have Lyme disease, and haven't 'had a cold' for years, but actually my
body hasn't been able to respond to cold virus, making me drag down with
general malaise and fatigue instead. All of the regular, albeit obnoxious,
'symptoms' we grouse about are actually signs of an an immune system going
into overdrive, doing what it should.

There's a lot more to this than meets the eye or the cultural perception.
Western medicine is all about suppressing 'symptoms' but not necessarily
addressing the underlying causes of real illness.

Be well,
Léna

Re: CS>Dill pickle juice 4 colds Try a Hot Toddy & BS & Ep Salts bath

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Do you think that might be something to do with vinegar Lois?  I must say
that I haven¹t had a cold for about seven or even eight years ­ but this bug
seems to be something else!  Probably a Œsuper bug¹ as they say.  dee



From: 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 08:00:26 -0500 (EST)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Dill pickle juice 4 colds Try a Hot Toddy & BS & Ep Salts
bath
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 05:00:26 -0800

In a message dated 12/29/2012 6:23:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
d...@deetroy.org writes:
> PS  cant bath‹we only have a shower here!
> 
> 
If you can't do the bath, put the mix in a tub & soak your feet & as much of
your legs as you can.. Just like with Earthing, The feet are a doorway...
  Here's a good one I got a long time ago from a news letter I get . The
writer said they haven't had a cold in 30 yrs using it-Consume two
tablespoons of cold Dill Pickle Juice each morning when you get up-{ The
DPJ protocol }  :-)
  The news letter writer did a search on it & found that people also use
dill pickle juice for upset stomach & hangovers...  { Just found it
interesting.. I haven't had a cold for near 5 + yrs since I found out about
CS. I take a big swig every time I go out where there might be someone ill.
}  Lois

Re: CS>Oil of Oregano and colds Try a Hot Toddy & BS & Ep Salts bath

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Hi Lois, thanks for your remedy‹I actually remember my mum doing this for us
when we were little.  I think people Œknew¹ things in the old days, which
have been forgotten now owing to the big pharma influence.

I have changed my mind about the O of O as I did persevere with it and now I
find the cold is a lot better after a couple of days.  Mind you, I have also
been using large doses of CS and also spraying with it ­ so maybe the
combined frontal attack is working.  My daughter has been ill off and on for
six weeks with this bug, so if it gets cured in less than a week, then that
will surely be a cause for recommendation.  I am starting with a tight chest
though, so mustn¹t get too complacent!  Dee PS cant bath‹we only have a
shower here!



From: 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:42:16 -0500 (EST)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Oil of Oregano and colds Try a Hot Toddy & BS & Ep Salts
bath
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 09:42:17 -0800

In a message dated 12/26/2012 4:22:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
d...@deetroy.org writes:
> Just  to say that I was told that oil of oregano would Œstop a cold in its
> tracks¹  but this is not true.  I have just started a cold and used this
> almost  immediately and the cold is getting steadily worse.  I am also using
> CS  with DMSO but still have the cold.  Just a snippet to say that natural
> remedies are not always successful either.  Dee
Dee , give this a try-That night Dan broke a massive sweat & the cold {
a bad one } is gone...
 When My kids were young & had a bad cold. ( before I found out about
colloidal silver} I would mix a little whiskey with honey & water & give
them a teaspoon or table spoon full before they went to bed. During the
night they would have a big sweat & in the morning be much better.  My Grand
mother told me to use it as she did with my Mom & uncle...I'm 75  now &
this was near 40 yrs ago as my kids are grown..{{ Gram's use was over 100
yrs ago..& likely more as her Mom most likely used it...}}
  My son has a bad cold so I did a search & found the whiskey honey use on
line as an old remedy. { we didn't use the lemon } "  The wonderful Hot
Toddy"  Mix piping hot water to a cup, 1/2 shot of whiskey, and 1 tea spoon
lemon juice, 1 tea spoon honey, mix well. The Alcohol has an
anti-inflammatory effect on mucous membranes. Also said to reduce fever, and
relieve muscle aches.
  Squeeze the juice from one lemon into a glass and add one large spoon  of
honey. { raw honey is the best } Add one large spoon of Scotch  whisky. Fill
the 
glass with boiling water and stir to mix. Let cool  and drink.
Have one glass a day for three days.  !!  Lois
 { Oh & we use the after bath water to do a load of  laundry } -- :-)

Re: CS>the wog ?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Its obviously just an expression that Neville uses to describe some horrible
malady.  I don't think anyone should start getting offended.  I call such
things the dreaded lurgy or some such.  Horses for courses.  dee


> From: Tony Moody 
> Organization: home and pvt
> Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:46:46 +0200
> To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Subject: CS>the wog ?
> Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:46:58 -0800
> 
> Hi Neville,
> 
> Could you please define 'the wog'
> 
> I've just done a search for wog and can't find anything that fits your
> discussion. It was used
> around here, ( but is now very politically incorrect,) to mean worthy oriental
> gentleman, and
> was applied to anyone with a darker skin. I think that if I used that in that
> context now I would
> be in jail pdq.
> 
> OK,
> Tony
> 
> On 27 Dec 2012 at 13:57, Neville Munn wrote about :
> Subject : RE: CS>Oil of Oregano and colds
> 
>> 
>> @ Dee,  as I believe you, and most others on here I guess already know, I
>> take a small quantity of EIS every morning and when I feel the wog coming
>> on I up that dose to 250 odd ml for a couple of days, symptoms of
>> impending wog is gone within 24-48 hours, has never failed me.  I have
>> only had symptoms of impending wog twice in around 8 years now and have
>> knocked it on the head both times within that time frame, and as I have
>> written here before, I purposely expose myself to anyone and everyone who
>> is loaded with the wog in an attempt to prove to myself that what I'm
>> doing actually works, seemingly it does as I'm no super or extraordinary
>> healthy individual. Just as a personal observationThere are times when
>> I get the sneezes for no apparent reason, this I am beginning to suspect
>> is a wog of some sort which maybe has tried to 'invade?' my person and
>> hence has been dealt with by my regular daily intake.  I can't prove that
>> of course, but then nobody can disprove that suspicion either so I'm
>> running with it .  By the same token some could say it's hay fever or
>> asthma or some pollutant in the atmosphere or whatever else which may
>> promote those sneezing episodes but I'm running with a wog trying to take
>> hold and the EIS has dealt with it.  As I just said though, I can't prove
>> that is the case, but nobody else can prove it's NOT the case either.
>> 
>> N.
>> 
>> From: babychicks...@gmail.com
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Subject: Re: CS>Oil of Oregano and colds
>> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 17:55:51 -0600
>> 
>> 
>> Oil of Oregano and colds
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm expermenting with cayenne pepper and garlic
>> poweder for the first time, I found that I have to take  it like you would
>> an anti-botic, 4-5 times a day for the first day and can cut down slowly I
>> am on my third day, it got rid of most of the lung infection (the green).
>> I'm going to stay on it for another couple days to be sure.  I really want
>> to get off anti-botics Kathy
>> 
>>   - Original Message -
>>   From:
>>   Dorothy Fitzpatrick
>> 
>>   To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>   Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 3:21
>>   PM
>>   Subject: CS>Oil of Oregano and
>>   colds
>> 
>> Just to say that I was told that oil of oregano would
>>   Œstop a cold in its tracks¹ but this is not true.  I have just started a
>>   cold and used this almost immediately and the cold is getting steadily
>>   worse.
>>I am also using CS with DMSO but still have the cold.  Just a
>>   snippet to say that natural remedies are not always successful either.
>>Dee
> 
> 
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CS>Oil of Oregano and colds

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Just to say that I was told that oil of oregano would Œstop a cold in its
tracks¹ but this is not true.  I have just started a cold and used this
almost immediately and the cold is getting steadily worse.  I am also using
CS with DMSO but still have the cold.  Just a snippet to say that natural
remedies are not always successful either.  Dee

Re: CS>Vitamin C Powder

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

NOW foods does a good sodium ascorbate.  dee



From: Paul Steel 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 06:16:00 -0800 (PST)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: CS>Vitamin C Powder
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 06:16:03 -0800

hey All

I am looking for a good Vit C powder. I do have some Lipsomal C...But
looking for some powder as well.

Would like to buy the BEST powder there is :)

Thanks All and Happy Holidays!
 
Paul Steel
h 508.520.6905
c 508.922.0519
The harder you work the luckier you get!
 

Re: CS>Argyrial Blue

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Very helpful John, and just the way I use it and would recommend using it.
dee



From: "Simonsen, John" 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:07:53 +
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: CS>Argyrial Blue
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:07:58 -0800

A recent article describes the mechanism of Argyria. The citation is: ACS
Nano (2012), 6(11), 9887-9899. I¹ve copied the abstract from the article
here:
 
ABSTRACT The widespread use of silver nanoparticles (Ag-NPs) in consumer and
medical products provides strong motivation for a careful assessment of
their environmental and human health risks. Recent studies have shown that
Ag-NPs released to the natural environment undergo profound chemical
transformations that can affect silver bioavailability, toxicity, and risk.
Less is known about Ag-NP chemical transformations in biological systems,
though the medical literature clearly reports that chronic silver ingestion
produces argyrial deposits consisting of silver-, sulfur-, and
selenium-containing particulate phases. Here we show that Ag-NPs undergo a
rich set of biochemical transformations, including accelerated oxidative
dissolution in gastric acid, thiol binding and exchange, photoreduction of
thiol- or protein-bound silver to secondary zerovalent Ag-NPs, and rapid
reactions between silver surfaces and reduced selenium species. Selenide is
also observed to rapidly exchange with sulfide in preformed Ag2S solid
phases. The combined results allow us to propose a conceptual model for
Ag-NP transformation pathways in the human body. In this model, argyrial
silver deposits are not translocated engineered Ag-NPs, but rather secondary
particles formed by partial dissolution in the GI tract followed by ion
uptake, systemic circulation as organo-Ag complexes, and immobilization as
zerovalent Ag-NPs by photoreduction in light-affected skin regions. The
secondary Ag-NPs then undergo detoxifying transformations into sulfides and
further into selenides or Se/S mixed phases through exchange reactions. The
formation of secondary particles in biological environments implies that
Ag-NPs are not only a product of industrial nanotechnology but also have
long been present in the human body following exposure to more traditional
chemical forms of silver.
 
In short, silver, whether ionic or nanoparticles, is absorbed into the blood
as silver ions attached mostly to proteins that contain sulfur. It is then
carried to all parts of the body. Once there it can form nanoparticles once
again upon exposure to light. It will also pull selenium from the blood and
together silver and selenium are extremely insoluble, i.e. they stay there
forever. Sunlight can photo-oxidize these particles and your skin turns gray
to blue. Generally what I have read is it takes about 1 gram of silver
accumulated in the body for the risk of Argyria to become high. If your body
retained 100% of 10 PPM silver, it would take 100 liters to accumulate 1
gram. However, the vast majority of ingested silver passes through the body,
probably much more than 90%. However, how much is absorbed and then
deposited will depend upon the individual¹s body composition, diet, fluid
intake, selenium levels, etc. So the development of argyria is not easily
predicted except in extreme cases. Most of these are people working in
industrial settings where they are exposed to high concentrations of silver
all day. 
 
Just as an example, if a person took 50 mL (about 2 oz) of 10 PPM silver per
day and retained 10% of it, it would take 5 ½ years to accumulate 1 g.
Probably it is more likely that only 1% would be retained. In this case it
would take 55 years to accumulate 1 gram and develop a risk (not a
guarantee) for argyria.
 
In my opinion, silver, like other antibiotics, should only be used when
needed, not as a daily tonic. Then argyria colored skin should not be a
problem.
 
Hope this helps. 
 
John

Re: CS>Help Needed for Mono (Epstein-Barr Virus)

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

If you are on a list you get emails from it!  Just send an email to the
silver list with Œunsubscribe¹ in the subject line and nothing in the body
of it.  dee



From: Eddie Rodriguez 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:46:48 -0600
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Help Needed for Mono (Epstein-Barr Virus)
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:46:50 -0800

Alan I don't know what is going on. I am not sending any of these emails out
to no one! On the contrary, I have asked to be removed from this list
because I am also getting bombarded with tons of these emails everyday!!!
SUGGESTIONS???


On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Alan Jones  wrote:
> Eduardo, please remove yourself from the list.  You are flooding my
> box with too many emails!
> 
> Make It A Great 2012!
> 
> On 12/14/12, Eduardo Rodriguez  wrote:
>> > Please remove me from your list. I don't have time to read all the emails
>> > you are flooding my box with...too many daily emails! Thank you
>> >
>> > Make It A Great 2012
>> > Eduardo Rodriguez
>> >
>> >
>> > On Dec 13, 2012, at 10:32 PM, finplan65  wrote:
>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> How/where does one obtain this magnetic pulser? Thank You
>>> >>
>>> >> --- On Thu, 12/13/12, Marshall  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> From: Marshall 
>>> >> Subject: Re: CS>Help Needed for Mono (Epstein-Barr Virus)
>>> >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>> >> Date: Thursday, December 13, 2012, 1:15 PM
>>> >>
>>> >> Since mono sets up in the lymph system, which is largely unreachable by
>>> >> colloidal silver, I would use a magnetic pulser, which is made solely to
>>> >> use for such aliments.
>>> >>
>>> >> Marshall
>>> >>
>>> >> On 12/13/2012 11:21 AM, Gene Wolfe wrote:
 >> > I have two granddaughters and one step grandson with chronic mono. We
 >> > have recommended CS as a cure for this, but both daughters are afraid
of
 >> > turning blue.
 >> >
 >> > Can someone give me some recommendations for a way to cure chronic
 mono,
 >> > and ways to reassure them about turning blue?
 >> >
 >> > Thanks,
 >> > Gene Wolfe
 >> > Dallas, TX
 >> >
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Re: CS>Help Needed for Mono (Epstein-Barr Virus)

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Yes but the way you worded it Dave, would have put a novice off completely!
After all Œlots of it¹ to a novice could be a tablespoon ­ as some novices
think a teaspoon a day is all that is needed.  dee



From: Dave Darrin 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:20:34 -0800
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Help Needed for Mono (Epstein-Barr Virus)
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:20:34 -0800

Dee 
 I did say "you have to take it for a very long time and lots of it"  Whats
not  to understand about that?
Also many people with Lyme need massive amounts to keep it under control and
they have no idea how much, so take enough to do the job which just might
cause them to turn a little gray as it did with me.
Dave

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:57 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
wrote:
> I think this is slightly misleading too Dave.  Properly made EIS doesn¹t do
> either of these things unless you use MASSIVE amounts!  By this I mean
> something like over a quart or more, per day.  I mean how many people will use
> this amount?  Most people use it for specific things like infections ­ or
> warding off infections.  For these people it is safe to say that there would
> be no problems.  I think if someone has to take massive amounts, then you
> could warn them, but it doesn¹t happen to all people that do take massive
> amounts either.  dee
> 
> 
> 
> From: Dave Darrin http://davedar...@gmail.com> >
> Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com <http://silver-list@eskimo.com> "
> http://silver-list@eskimo.com> >
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:34:39 -0800
> To: "silver-list@eskimo.com <http://silver-list@eskimo.com> "
> http://silver-list@eskimo.com> >
> Subject: Re: CS>Help Needed for Mono (Epstein-Barr Virus)
> Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com <http://silver-list@eskimo.com> "
> http://silver-list@eskimo.com> >
> Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:34:40 -0800
> 
> 
> 
> You are  right. It turns you a steely gray, not blue and it does it with
> properly made CS but you have to take it for a very long time,and lots of it.
> I don't think you are doing anyone a favor telling them, it can't happen.
>   Once it starts to be noticeable you can stop taking it ( CS/EIS) and you
> won't get any worse but it doesn't take much use at all after that to get
> worse.
> At that point you might consider switching to CDS as I did . It does mostly
> anything CS does but doesn't have the side effect.
> 15 drops of CDS in apple juice has no smell or taste, but work up slowly
> unless you want to vomit.
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 

Re: CS>Vitamin D sunshine conversion

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Most cholesterol isn¹t gotten from diet ­ it is produced by the liver and is
used throughout the body to repair it.  There are only a couple of foods
i.e. eggs ­ that contain cholesterol. dee



From: Rachel Hawkridge 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:00:19 -0800
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: CS>Vitamin D sunshine conversion
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:00:22 -0800


mborg (mazy?) said <>

One of the problems with this (and most people/sites who think they know Vit
D), is that we don't make Vitamin D from sunshine.

Our body takes cholesterol (from diet) and converts it with sun - so anyone
on a low fat (government recommended) diet is going to be deficient.

-- 

Peace . . .

Rachel Hawkridge
in a NE Seattle 'burb

Re: CS>Help Needed for Mono (Epstein-Barr Virus)

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Do you mean MMS?  If so, then there are serious things that can happen with
this.  dee



From: Dave Darrin 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:44:51 -0800
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Help Needed for Mono (Epstein-Barr Virus)
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:44:52 -0800

Its chlorine dioxide gas that is distilled and scrubbed into distilled
water.
Look on YouTube for Jim Humble and the video of how to make it.
Dave

On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:36 PM, PT Ferrance  wrote:
> What is CDS?
> Thanks.
> PT
> 
> 
> From: Dave Darrin 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Thu, December 13, 2012 3:35:08 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Help Needed for Mono (Epstein-Barr Virus)
> 
> 
> 
> You are  right. It turns you a steely gray, not blue and it does it with
> properly made CS but you have to take it for a very long time,and lots of it.
> I don't think you are doing anyone a favor telling them, it can't happen.
>   Once it starts to be noticeable you can stop taking it ( CS/EIS) and you
> won't get any worse but it doesn't take much use at all after that to get
> worse.
> At that point you might consider switching to CDS as I did . It does mostly
> anything CS does but doesn't have the side effect.
> 15 drops of CDS in apple juice has no smell or taste, but work up slowly
> unless you want to vomit.
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Nenah Sylver  wrote:
>> Properly made colloidal silver/CS/EIS (Electrically Isolated Silver)/Ionic
>> Silver/all of the above does not turn the skin blue.
>>  
>> That¹s a scare tactic perpetrated by Big Pharma.
>>  
>> Nenah
>>  
>> 
>> Nenah Sylver, PhD
>> author, the NEW Rife Handbook (2011)
>> Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy (2004)
>> VoiceBio and Biomodulator certification
>> www.nenahsylver.com  ; www.rifehandbook.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Gene Wolfe  wrote:
>>> > I have two granddaughters and one step grandson with chronic mono. We have
>>> > recommended CS as a cure for this, but both daughters are afraid of
>>> turning
>>> > blue.
>>> >
>>> > Can someone give me some recommendations for a way to cure chronic mono,
>>> and
>>> > ways to reassure them about turning blue?
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: CS>Help Needed for Mono (Epstein-Barr Virus)

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I think this is slightly misleading too Dave.  Properly made EIS doesn¹t do
either of these things unless you use MASSIVE amounts!  By this I mean
something like over a quart or more, per day.  I mean how many people will
use this amount?  Most people use it for specific things like infections ­
or warding off infections.  For these people it is safe to say that there
would be no problems.  I think if someone has to take massive amounts, then
you could warn them, but it doesn¹t happen to all people that do take
massive amounts either.  dee



From: Dave Darrin 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:34:39 -0800
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Help Needed for Mono (Epstein-Barr Virus)
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:34:40 -0800



You are  right. It turns you a steely gray, not blue and it does it with
properly made CS but you have to take it for a very long time,and lots of
it. I don't think you are doing anyone a favor telling them, it can't
happen.
  Once it starts to be noticeable you can stop taking it ( CS/EIS) and you
won't get any worse but it doesn't take much use at all after that to get
worse.
At that point you might consider switching to CDS as I did . It does mostly
anything CS does but doesn't have the side effect.
15 drops of CDS in apple juice has no smell or taste, but work up slowly
unless you want to vomit.
Dave 

Re: Annatto //Re: CS>Vit D and K2

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Perhaps it was natto?  dee



From: Jane MacRoss 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:16:47 +1100
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Annatto //Re: CS>Vit D and K2
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:17:13 -0800

I thought annatto was a red colouring powder:
 
http://fedup.com.au/factsheets/additive-and-natural-chemical-factsheets/160b
-annatto
 
oh dear, yes it is
 
Jane
>
>   Thank you Dee.  I do take the Mercola Vit K2 with MK7 from  annato
> (fermented soy) in the morning and the D3 in the evening; so from  now on, i
> will shift the D3 in the morning now.  This is wonderful  info.
>  Melly
> 

Re: CS>Vit D and K2

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

You¹re welcome Melly.  dee



From: Melly Bag 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:06:53 -0800 (PST)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: CS>Vit D and K2
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:06:53 -0800

Thank you Dee.  I do take the Mercola Vit K2 with MK7 from annato (fermented
soy) in the morning and the D3 in the evening; so from now on, i will shift
the D3 in the morning now.  This is wonderful info.  I missed that Mercola
article on calcium and K2.
 
Melly

Re: CS>Vit. D 3 information

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thanks for that Shirley ­ it has certainly put my mind at rest.  dee



From: Shirley Reed 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 13:54:40 -0800 (PST)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: CS>Vit. D 3 information
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 13:54:40 -0800

The www.vitamindcouncil.org site began as a .com.  At that time, respected
physicians were using their own money to produce and maintain the site.
They did so with the public acknowledgment that their feelings regarding the
severe lack of D3 and the lack of effort by the medical establishment at
remediation of the situation made their personal effort and expense
mandatory as far as their conscience was concerned.  The site addresses
every concern one might feel about toxicity and at what doses this becomes a
problem.  After reading this, I immediately ordered some 50,000 iu capsules
and upon their delivery, took one myself and gave one each to every other
family member.  After all, the jury is in on D3 and the proof is on the .org
site.  I immediately began sleeping very, very well and get restful sleep
ever since.  So before you listen too trustingly to the D3 detractors, you
may want to look at the .org site and check their data references.  D3 is
very good medicine to nearly everyone on the planet.  And I do think that
getting it from sunlight is better, but that is definitely not working for
the vast majority of us.  Especially in fall and winter.  My very best
wishes to every person who sincerely wants to know what's what on D3.  pj

Re: CS>VITAMIN D DEFFICIENCY

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

But there could have been a whole lot of other variables too, which you
didn¹t go into.  Just for info, why did you ask her about Vit D?  Just seems
a strange topic to discuss.  dee



From: 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 07:36:58 -0800 (PST)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>VITAMIN D DEFFICIENCY
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 07:37:00 -0800

I do not know.
I met one of his writers, she has a tumor in the brain, I asked how long she
had been taking d3 she said 3 yrs I asked how long have you had the tumor
she said 2 yrs.


From: MaryAnn Helland 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, December 8, 2012 7:03:13 AM
Subject: Re: CS>VITAMIN D DEFFICIENCY

So Dr. Mercola doesn't know what he's talking about?
MA


From: "mborg...@att.net" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, December 8, 2012 8:51:15 AM
Subject: Re: CS>VITAMIN D DEFFICIENCY

When I was in Florida for a month, while I was on the beach early in the am
and pm, i spoke to 43 people who lived in Florida.  Out of the 43, 29 were
taking vit d3 and had been for awhile but their levels were still very  low
and had to keep taking vit d3 and were experiencing symptoms associated with
the toxic side effects of the hormone.  They were taking no less than 5k
units a day many much more.  What I believe is that the liver needs to keep
the levels low because the hormone d3 sits in the liver and kidney for at
least 3 months.  Most alld3 is made from lanolin from China, including mouse
poisons, vits , lotions, and a host of others.  Some are made from fish oil
example cod liver oil has vit d and a this is a alternative, but with all
things do your research on fish oils, and lanolins some should not take
them.
  Another is sardines great for d and natural calcium.
Be very careful with the hormone d3 do your research!  I looked at 4 gov.
web sites and they suggest the intake to be for anyone over 70 250 mg a day,
50- 70,300mg, above that no more than 450 mg ,babies 200.  Anything more is
toxic 
I live in Wash. state where it rains.  but in Sept to Oct if you sit in
early morning sun for 20 min 2 to 3 times a week, you have stored enough for
3-4 months, this info is also from the gov. web site

From: Neville Munn 
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Sent: Fri, December 7, 2012 2:30:05 PM
Subject: CS>VITAMIN D DEFFICIENCY

I started a new topic so I could air my views on this ridiculous Vit D
deficiency BS. 

I live in Australia for Christ sake, we get enough sun here that if you
walked around under it for too long your body fluids would start to simmer,
and eventually boil inside your damn skin, and they waffle on and diagnose
people with Vit D deficiency.??  Shear and utter lunacy!!!

Work it out for heavens sake.  WHY and HOW can Homo Sapien in the 21st
century possibly be lacking in ANY vitamin, AND mineral if it comes to that,
because I have no doubt we are surely lacking in bucket loads of those too
if they cared to investigate???

We are slowly being poisoned, deprived of natural nutrients in pretty much
EVERYTHING we drink and consume, not forgetting those microwave terminators
that we put food and liquid into before consumption.

If this was a natural occurrence, we would never have progressed past the
Stone Age???

This lacking of vitamins and minerals is being forced upon every Homo Sapien
on the planet pretty much, and with the dollar and profit as motivation.

There is so much BS being spread around by those little people in their
white dust coats that people are actually believing everything some
organisation puts out.

The FDA, our TGA and any other funded mob of laboratory Frankensteins all
have vested interests in something OTHER than your and my health in mind!!

There, I've got that off my chest, nobody need reply, just considered it was
time for a voice of sanity and reason to be heard.



N.

Re: CS>VITAMIN D DEFFICIENCY

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Also, to get the amount necessary, you need to be in the mid day sun for at
least an hour with most of your skin exposed, which in my case, is
completely out of the question. dee



From: 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 06:50:49 -0800 (PST)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>VITAMIN D DEFFICIENCY
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 06:50:50 -0800

When I was in Florida for a month, while I was on the beach early in the am
and pm, i spoke to 43 people who lived in Florida.  Out of the 43, 29 were
taking vit d3 and had been for awhile but their levels were still very  low
and had to keep taking vit d3 and were experiencing symptoms associated with
the toxic side effects of the hormone.  They were taking no less than 5k
units a day many much more.  What I believe is that the liver needs to keep
the levels low because the hormone d3 sits in the liver and kidney for at
least 3 months.  Most alld3 is made from lanolin from China, including mouse
poisons, vits , lotions, and a host of others.  Some are made from fish oil
example cod liver oil has vit d and a this is a alternative, but with all
things do your research on fish oils, and lanolins some should not take
them.
  Another is sardines great for d and natural calcium.
Be very careful with the hormone d3 do your research!  I looked at 4 gov.
web sites and they suggest the intake to be for anyone over 70 250 mg a day,
50- 70,300mg, above that no more than 450 mg ,babies 200.  Anything more is
toxic 
I live in Wash. state where it rains.  but in Sept to Oct if you sit in
early morning sun for 20 min 2 to 3 times a week, you have stored enough for
3-4 months, this info is also from the gov. web site

From: Neville Munn 
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Sent: Fri, December 7, 2012 2:30:05 PM
Subject: CS>VITAMIN D DEFFICIENCY

I started a new topic so I could air my views on this ridiculous Vit D
deficiency BS.

I live in Australia for Christ sake, we get enough sun here that if you
walked around under it for too long your body fluids would start to simmer,
and eventually boil inside your damn skin, and they waffle on and diagnose
people with Vit D deficiency.??  Shear and utter lunacy!!!

Work it out for heavens sake.  WHY and HOW can Homo Sapien in the 21st
century possibly be lacking in ANY vitamin, AND mineral if it comes to that,
because I have no doubt we are surely lacking in bucket loads of those too
if they cared to investigate???

We are slowly being poisoned, deprived of natural nutrients in pretty much
EVERYTHING we drink and consume, not forgetting those microwave terminators
that we put food and liquid into before consumption.

If this was a natural occurrence, we would never have progressed past the
Stone Age???

This lacking of vitamins and minerals is being forced upon every Homo Sapien
on the planet pretty much, and with the dollar and profit as motivation.

There is so much BS being spread around by those little people in their
white dust coats that people are actually believing everything some
organisation puts out.

The FDA, our TGA and any other funded mob of laboratory Frankensteins all
have vested interests in something OTHER than your and my health in mind!!

There, I've got that off my chest, nobody need reply, just considered it was
time for a voice of sanity and reason to be heard.



N.
   

Re: CS>VITAMIN D DEFFICIENCY

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

The only detrimental thing I have read about D3 (not D2) is that it is
necessary to take K2 with it in order to direct the calcium into the bones
and not into the arteries etc.,  I believe that D2 which is in most
over-the-counter supermarket supplements is the toxic part.  dee



From: 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 06:50:49 -0800 (PST)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>VITAMIN D DEFFICIENCY
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 06:50:50 -0800

When I was in Florida for a month, while I was on the beach early in the am
and pm, i spoke to 43 people who lived in Florida.  Out of the 43, 29 were
taking vit d3 and had been for awhile but their levels were still very  low
and had to keep taking vit d3 and were experiencing symptoms associated with
the toxic side effects of the hormone.  They were taking no less than 5k
units a day many much more.  What I believe is that the liver needs to keep
the levels low because the hormone d3 sits in the liver and kidney for at
least 3 months.  Most alld3 is made from lanolin from China, including mouse
poisons, vits , lotions, and a host of others.  Some are made from fish oil
example cod liver oil has vit d and a this is a alternative, but with all
things do your research on fish oils, and lanolins some should not take
them.
  Another is sardines great for d and natural calcium.
Be very careful with the hormone d3 do your research!  I looked at 4 gov.
web sites and they suggest the intake to be for anyone over 70 250 mg a day,
50- 70,300mg, above that no more than 450 mg ,babies 200.  Anything more is
toxic 
I live in Wash. state where it rains.  but in Sept to Oct if you sit in
early morning sun for 20 min 2 to 3 times a week, you have stored enough for
3-4 months, this info is also from the gov. web site

From: Neville Munn 
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Sent: Fri, December 7, 2012 2:30:05 PM
Subject: CS>VITAMIN D DEFFICIENCY

I started a new topic so I could air my views on this ridiculous Vit D
deficiency BS.

I live in Australia for Christ sake, we get enough sun here that if you
walked around under it for too long your body fluids would start to simmer,
and eventually boil inside your damn skin, and they waffle on and diagnose
people with Vit D deficiency.??  Shear and utter lunacy!!!

Work it out for heavens sake.  WHY and HOW can Homo Sapien in the 21st
century possibly be lacking in ANY vitamin, AND mineral if it comes to that,
because I have no doubt we are surely lacking in bucket loads of those too
if they cared to investigate???

We are slowly being poisoned, deprived of natural nutrients in pretty much
EVERYTHING we drink and consume, not forgetting those microwave terminators
that we put food and liquid into before consumption.

If this was a natural occurrence, we would never have progressed past the
Stone Age???

This lacking of vitamins and minerals is being forced upon every Homo Sapien
on the planet pretty much, and with the dollar and profit as motivation.

There is so much BS being spread around by those little people in their
white dust coats that people are actually believing everything some
organisation puts out.

The FDA, our TGA and any other funded mob of laboratory Frankensteins all
have vested interests in something OTHER than your and my health in mind!!

There, I've got that off my chest, nobody need reply, just considered it was
time for a voice of sanity and reason to be heard.



N.
   

Re: CS>VITAMIN D DEFFICIENCY

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Me too sol, and I love rain too - although this year it has been too
much--even for me!  dee


> From: sol 
> Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2012 07:43:06 -0700

>> 
> Dee, I also can't stand being hot or sweating. I am on one list where
> many people say they like being hot, and even like sweating. AACK!
> I much prefer bundling up to the nTH degree and going walking in the
> dead of winter, and I can't walk in the sun when it is hot.
> 
> sol
> 
> 



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Re: CS>Vitamin D

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

The NOW product is a liposomal spray which contains both D3 and K2 in the
one dose.  Tastes good too.  dee



From: Jane MacRoss 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 00:14:47 +1100
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Vitamin D
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 05:15:12 -0800

I think I bought K2 from Mercola ...
>  
> ----- Original Message -
>  
> From:  Dorothy Fitzpatrick <mailto:d...@deetroy.org>
>  
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>  
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 11:46  PM
>  
> Subject: Re: CS>Vitamin D
>  
> 
> Its NOW brand and can be got from iHerb which is where  I usually get it from
> as the cost is more reasonable.  They are out of  stock at the moment though,
> so I have just ordered from Amazon UK as it is too  expensive from anywhere
> else in America (postage wise) but it is more  expensive here ­ of course ­
> than it is from iHerb. Can¹t be without it  though.  dee

Re: CS>Vitamin D

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Its NOW brand and can be got from iHerb which is where I usually get it from
as the cost is more reasonable.  They are out of stock at the moment though,
so I have just ordered from Amazon UK as it is too expensive from anywhere
else in America (postage wise) but it is more expensive here ­ of course ­
than it is from iHerb. Can¹t be without it though.  dee



From: Jane MacRoss 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 23:02:33 +1100
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Vitamin D
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 04:02:59 -0800

THanks for the info Dee - can you give us a product name please? iherb has
recently taken on free international shipping - such a bonus.
> Hi Melly, you should always take Vit K2 with Vit D3  because the K2 Œdirects¹
> the calcium to the bones‹instead of the arteries  etc.,.  Mercola has just
> published an article about this.  I use the  Now brand liposomal sublingual
> spray which contains both these and is really  good.  I get it from iHerb.
> dee

Re: CS>Vitamin D

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Hi Melly, you should always take Vit K2 with Vit D3 because the K2 Œdirects¹
the calcium to the bones‹instead of the arteries etc.,.  Mercola has just
published an article about this.  I use the Now brand liposomal sublingual
spray which contains both these and is really good.  I get it from iHerb.
dee



From: Melly Bag 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 20:39:50 -0800 (PST)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: CS>Vitamin D
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 20:40:51 -0800

We are not suppose to be taking calcium supplements due to arterial plaques.
Do all vitamin D supplement contain calcium?  We take the Carlson Vit D,
does anyone know if it has calcium?
 
Thanks.
 
Melly

Re: CS>How to use Silver and DMSO

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Its a certain type of plastic though. dee


> From: 
> Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 18:16:55 -0700
> To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Cc: Sandy 
> Subject: RE: CS>How to use Silver and DMSO
> Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 17:16:55 -0800
> 
> The DMSO I buy comes in a plastic bottle...?
> 
> 



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Re: CS>VITAMIN D DEFFICIENCY

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

The thing is Neville, you live in Australia where the sun shines all the
time nearly and you probably all walk around with next to nothing on.  I, on
the other hand, live in Devon in the UK where we have literally had two
weeks of sunshine ­ without rain ­ in this whole year!  I cannot remember
two days passing, where it hasn¹t rained, and that is no exaggeration!  And
even if the sun did shine, I would never walk in it.  I absolutely hate
being hot so avoid sun at all costs.  Therefore, as I am not a fish eater
either, it would follow that I could be short of Vit D3.  As I said in an
earlier email, all cancer patients tested, were extremely deficient in Vit
D, so it follows that there has to be a case for Vit D supplementation.  dee



From: Neville Munn 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 09:29:52 +1100
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: CS>VITAMIN D DEFFICIENCY
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 14:29:52 -0800

I started a new topic so I could air my views on this ridiculous Vit D
deficiency BS.

I live in Australia for Christ sake, we get enough sun here that if you
walked around under it for too long your body fluids would start to simmer,
and eventually boil inside your damn skin, and they waffle on and diagnose
people with Vit D deficiency.??  Shear and utter lunacy!!!

Work it out for heavens sake.  WHY and HOW can Homo Sapien in the 21st
century possibly be lacking in ANY vitamin, AND mineral if it comes to that,
because I have no doubt we are surely lacking in bucket loads of those too
if they cared to investigate???

We are slowly being poisoned, deprived of natural nutrients in pretty much
EVERYTHING we drink and consume, not forgetting those microwave terminators
that we put food and liquid into before consumption.

If this was a natural occurrence, we would never have progressed past the
Stone Age???

This lacking of vitamins and minerals is being forced upon every Homo Sapien
on the planet pretty much, and with the dollar and profit as motivation.

There is so much BS being spread around by those little people in their
white dust coats that people are actually believing everything some
organisation puts out.

The FDA, our TGA and any other funded mob of laboratory Frankensteins all
have vested interests in something OTHER than your and my health in mind!!

There, I've got that off my chest, nobody need reply, just considered it was
time for a voice of sanity and reason to be heard.



N.
   

Re: CS>HIV success with CS?>>liposomes?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thank you M it is good to know and it is good to have all the information
available ­ so keep it coming!   dee



From: mgperrault 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 11:05:51 -0700
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>HIV success with CS?>>liposomes?
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 10:05:52 -0800

   
Dee
 
 I wouldnt be concerned about liposomal sublinqual spray having negative
effects at all.  What I said about the macrophages and all that was just
interesting things I found in Pub Med papers surrounding the issue of
liposome absorption.  The reduced macrophage action was due to large IV
doses.  In combination with a toxin called clodronate, they can wipe out
your macrophages this way.  It shows that macrophages consume liposomes, and
I think thats why I brought up. My question was; are oral liposomes really
being absorbed and is there evidence that oral liposomes vastly increase
cellular uptake.   If you run across an answer, let me know.Your
sublingual is fine.
 
 M
 

Re: CS>HIV success with CS?>>liposomes?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

So from this it would seem that supplementing with Vit D3 is a good thing as
most of us don¹t get the sort of sun exposure that we need.  I have read
that Vit D3 has the ability to trigger the cancer cells to self-destruct and
this is why it has been found that cancer patients have very low levels of
it.  I asked the question because I use the Now brand of liposomal
sublingual spray version containing both Vit D3 and Vit K2.  It was the
liposomal part which bothered me because of your information.  dee



From: mgperrault 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:31:44 -0700
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>HIV success with CS?>>liposomes?
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 18:31:43 -0800

   
How did this get started?  Maybe because I said that liposomes can
transiently decrease macrophage activity and then someone said vit D is a
rat poison as a rebuttal, trying I think to say that even well known healthy
things can be toxic depending on the dose..
 
 Its not only the quantity but how well your body balances things with other
hormones and vitamins.  Excess calcium circulating in the system can be
toxic.  Vit D can cause this.
 
 Probably everybody knows Dr Mercola is big on Vit D
 
 Its off topic but here is a little Mercola extract;
 
 sun exposure or the use of a safe tanning bed are the best options to
optimize your vitamin D levels. You cannot overdose when getting your
vitamin D from sun exposure, as your body has the ability to self-regulate
and only make what it needs. If these options are not available, a
supplement can be used, but keep the following in mind:
* According to the most recent findings by Carole Baggerly, founder of
GrassrootsHealth  , her research of nearly
10,000 people shows the ideal adult dose appears to be 8,000 IU's a day to
get most into the healthy range.
* When you do supplement with vitamin D, you'll only want to supplement with
natural vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol).
* As an aside, there is evidence that the safety of vitamin D is dependent
on vitamin K, and that vitamin D toxicity (although very rare with the D3
form) is actually aggravated by vitamin K2 deficiency. So if you take oral
vitamin D, ideally you should take vitamin K2 as well
  or use organic
fermented foods that are high in vitamin K2, as you need about 150 mcg per
day. 
* The "normal" 25-hydroxyvitamin D lab range is between 20-56 ng/ml. But,
this conventional range is really a sign of deficiency, and is too broad to
be ideal. In fact, your vitamin D level should not be below 32 ng/ml, and
any levels below 20 ng/ml are considered serious deficiency states,
increasing your risk of cancer and autoimmune diseases like multiple
sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis, just to name a few.
*  
*  Remember that if you were in the sun nearly every day with large amounts
of your skin exposed and not taking any oral vitamin D, your level would be
around 100 ng/ml. 
 
 
>  
 
 

Re: CS>HIV success with CS?>>liposomes?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I just found the article and it is the dosage which is toxic to mice‹not to
humans, is crucial.  It is a human hormone ­ cholecalciferol ­ and it is
toxic in high amounts to rodents.  I doubt that humans would take a
proportionate amount of this to do this sort of damage ­ unless they were
taking Warfarin or the like.  dee



From: 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 08:13:26 -0800 (PST)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>HIV success with CS?>>liposomes?
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 08:13:29 -0800

absolutely, I used to sell  it was called vitamin d3 mouse poison by tom cat
I think it is still made.
 I can't believe people are taking this stuff along with warfin.  Besides
causing internal bleeding It also raises the calcium in the blood so it is
free to travel anywhere. I am a health coach, I cannot tell you the amount
of people who have called and wondered why they were in the hospital  and
lost 3 pints of blood, first thing I ask do you take vit d always the answer
is yes.  This is not a vitamin it is a hormone. Do your research.


From: Gary Hilt 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 9:41:12 AM
Subject: Re: CS>HIV success with CS?>>liposomes?

Hey
sorry to interject but vit D is a mouse poison??

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Jim Holmes  wrote:
> What is MPS function?
> 
> TIA
> 
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:49 AM,   wrote:
>> Vit. d is mouse a poison
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
>> To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
>> Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 4:50:39 AM
>> 
>> Subject: Re: CS>HIV success with CS?>>liposomes?
>> 
>> I must say I really don't understand the science as it is very complicated.
>> Can anyone tell me - with this information in mind - if this means that
>> taking liposomal Vit C or indeed, Vit D3 in liposomal form, is detrimental
>> to our health - or immune system?  dee
>> 
>> 
>>> > From: mgperrault 
>>> > Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
>>> > Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:42:06 -0700
>>> > To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
>>> > Subject: Re: CS>HIV success with CS?>>liposomes?
>>> > Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
>>> > Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 01:42:07 -0800
>>> > 
>>> > AJ
>>> > 
>>> > If fact I made it sound worse than it is. My intent was to illustrate
>>> > that phagoytosis was the natural fate of any liposomes that made it into
>>> > the lymph and blood. If a large amount of liposomes got into the system,
>>> > then the macrophages would be hard at work eating them up. However, its
>>> > difficult to find evidence that intact liposomes make it across the GI
>>> > tract, although Peyers patches may transport some into the lymph system.
>>> > 
>>> > Overburdening the immune system was not the right description, sorry.
>>> > Because liposomes are consumed by macrophages, it is a well known method
>>> > to deplete them in vivo by loading liposomes with the drug
>>> > dichloromethylene diphosphonate. This is able to wipe out a large
>>> > percent of macrophages in the target system. But even unloaded liposomes
>>> > can have a dramatic effect on the spleen and liver and immune system
>>> > 
>>> > 
>> 
>> 
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Re: CS>HIV success with CS?>>liposomes?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

But Vitamin D3 is being lauded by even people like Dr Mercola ­ who I have
great respect for ­ as a great Œmust¹ for health!  It is said‹by many
eminent people, that it is very necessary for health, and that people with
cancer have a deficiency in it.  We should get it from the sun ­ but do not
in enough quantity, which is why the deficiency.  Have you any information
about this because all the research I do says that Vit D3 is really good.
Dee  PS not Vit D2 I hasten to add!



From: 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 08:13:26 -0800 (PST)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>HIV success with CS?>>liposomes?
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 08:13:29 -0800

absolutely, I used to sell  it was called vitamin d3 mouse poison by tom cat
I think it is still made.
 I can't believe people are taking this stuff along with warfin.  Besides
causing internal bleeding It also raises the calcium in the blood so it is
free to travel anywhere. I am a health coach, I cannot tell you the amount
of people who have called and wondered why they were in the hospital  and
lost 3 pints of blood, first thing I ask do you take vit d always the answer
is yes.  This is not a vitamin it is a hormone. Do your research.


From: Gary Hilt 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 9:41:12 AM
Subject: Re: CS>HIV success with CS?>>liposomes?

Hey
sorry to interject but vit D is a mouse poison??

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Jim Holmes  wrote:
> What is MPS function?
> 
> TIA
> 
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:49 AM,   wrote:
>> Vit. d is mouse a poison
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
>> To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
>> Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 4:50:39 AM
>> 
>> Subject: Re: CS>HIV success with CS?>>liposomes?
>> 
>> I must say I really don't understand the science as it is very complicated.
>> Can anyone tell me - with this information in mind - if this means that
>> taking liposomal Vit C or indeed, Vit D3 in liposomal form, is detrimental
>> to our health - or immune system?  dee
>> 
>> 
>>> > From: mgperrault 
>>> > Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
>>> > Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:42:06 -0700
>>> > To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
>>> > Subject: Re: CS>HIV success with CS?>>liposomes?
>>> > Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
>>> > Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 01:42:07 -0800
>>> > 
>>> > AJ
>>> > 
>>> > If fact I made it sound worse than it is. My intent was to illustrate
>>> > that phagoytosis was the natural fate of any liposomes that made it into
>>> > the lymph and blood. If a large amount of liposomes got into the system,
>>> > then the macrophages would be hard at work eating them up. However, its
>>> > difficult to find evidence that intact liposomes make it across the GI
>>> > tract, although Peyers patches may transport some into the lymph system.
>>> > 
>>> > Overburdening the immune system was not the right description, sorry.
>>> > Because liposomes are consumed by macrophages, it is a well known method
>>> > to deplete them in vivo by loading liposomes with the drug
>>> > dichloromethylene diphosphonate. This is able to wipe out a large
>>> > percent of macrophages in the target system. But even unloaded liposomes
>>> > can have a dramatic effect on the spleen and liver and immune system
>>> > 
>>> > 
>> 
>> 
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Re: CS>HIV success with CS?>>liposomes?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

So I suppose the answer is in the case of Œnormal¹ health, to use as natural
as possible and in moderation?  Food for thought?  dee



> 
>  
 I dont get the impression that liposome Vit C is bad for the immune system,
although the harder or stabilized liposomes have shown to create dramatic if
transient spleen and liver enlargement as well as transient depression of
phagocyte response.  FDA is not careful to stop many toxic drugs from being
marketed.  My humble thought is that if you feel good taking your liposome C
and Curcumin, then continue.  Nothing is very simple with the body and
vitamins though.  For example, minerals exist in a tight interactive web of
sorts such that taking more of one may deplete others.  Is calcium good for
bones?  If yes, then why do some studies show that low calcium consuming
native populations have better bone density than high calcium consumers?
Should we then stop taking calcium, or instead try for a balance with
magnesium and all the others?  For the most part, the questions are resolved
by eating and living naturally.  If you are trying to battle a cancer or
something, there could be a good reason to take lipo C.   But if you simply
feel better taking it, then thats a good sign.
 
 I tried sending this before, excuse me if it is a repost;
 
 
MPS = mononuclear phagocyte system
 

Re: CS>HIV success with CS?>>liposomes?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Pardon?  dee



From: 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 06:49:45 -0800 (PST)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>HIV success with CS?>>liposomes?
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 06:49:45 -0800

Vit. d is mouse a poison



From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 4:50:39 AM
Subject: Re: CS>HIV success with CS?>>liposomes?

I must say I really don't understand the science as it is very complicated.
Can anyone tell me - with this information in mind - if this means that
taking liposomal Vit C or indeed, Vit D3 in liposomal form, is detrimental
to our health - or immune system?  dee

Re: CS>HIV success with CS?>>liposomes?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I must say I really don't understand the science as it is very complicated.
Can anyone tell me - with this information in mind - if this means that
taking liposomal Vit C or indeed, Vit D3 in liposomal form, is detrimental
to our health - or immune system?  dee


> From: mgperrault 
> Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:42:06 -0700
> To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Subject: Re: CS>HIV success with CS?>>liposomes?
> Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 01:42:07 -0800
> 
> AJ
> 
> If fact I made it sound worse than it is. My intent was to illustrate
> that phagoytosis was the natural fate of any liposomes that made it into
> the lymph and blood. If a large amount of liposomes got into the system,
> then the macrophages would be hard at work eating them up. However, its
> difficult to find evidence that intact liposomes make it across the GI
> tract, although Peyers patches may transport some into the lymph system.
> 
> Overburdening the immune system was not the right description, sorry.
> Because liposomes are consumed by macrophages, it is a well known method
> to deplete them in vivo by loading liposomes with the drug
> dichloromethylene diphosphonate. This is able to wipe out a large
> percent of macrophages in the target system. But even unloaded liposomes
> can have a dramatic effect on the spleen and liver and immune system
> 
> 



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Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

For best value for money i.e cheapness and quality, I would recommend the
Silver Puppy.  I have had this for years and it has always been reliable.
dee


> From: Sarah Miller 
> Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:58:39 -0600
> To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Subject: Re: CS>Ag4O4 Silver.. is it better? Where to get it? How is it made?
> Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 11:58:37 -0800
> 
> I am checking into the best CS maker I could get and afford.  Steve
> Barwick is always advertising his micro maker which is supposed to
> absorb better in your system?  But is expensive.  All advice
> appreciated (Ode).
> 



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Re: CS>Solution for warts?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

What about oil of oregano?  dee



From: MaryAnn Helland 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:55:13 -0800 (PST)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: CS>Solution for warts?
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:55:12 -0800

I have an odd problem, and wonder if anyone has a suggestion.
 
I have a wart (probably plantars?) on the outside of my left foot, just
below the joint of the small toe.  This is on the ridge of the foot, and a
callus has formed there as well.  The whole thing is getting large enough
that it has begun to hurt to walk on it.  I'd really like to avoid the
ministrations of a doctor, if possible.  Any ideas?
MA  

Re: CS>HIV success with CS? Ionic or Non ionic for this cause?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I had understood that liposomes were absorbed through the wall of the
stomach into the bloodstream and then to the liver.  Is this not true then?
I make liposomal Vit C and am really interested.  dee



> 
> There is some indication that liposomes are not absorbed intact. They
> are absorbed by mucosal cells in the small intestine and broken down by
> the reticular cells, the fatty acids possibly resynthesized and the
> liposome content passed into the lymphatic  vessels and transported to
> the thoracic duct where they enter the bloodstream.  Thats what I hear
> anyway.  I dont know what the implication is exactly.  I guess the
> silver ions would be protected from precipitating to silver chloride in
> the stomach.  Would silver ions de differentiate the epithelial
> reticulum?  It seems like that could be a disaster.   I dont see de
> differentiation as being totally benign.  Any ions that are precipitated
> to colloidal particles end up getting lodged in the cellular lysosomes
> and interstitial spaces.  It looks suspicious in microphotos.
> 
> 



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Re: CS>FDA Closures

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I don¹t want to get into this debate as I am in the UK but I did note that
those in power (like the President etc.,) only eat organic foods.  Wonder
why?  dee



From: Bob Banever 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:02:12 -0800
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: RE: CS>FDA Closures
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:02:02 -0800

One by one the FDA nazi goons under the direction of our esteemed President
with the approval of congress are attacking and taking away our ability to
treat and heal ourselves, and even to prevent illness before it starts.
They are poisoning our food and water with GMO¹s, fluoride, barium, and
aluminum making it almost impossible for the average person to ingest
anything that isn¹t tainted in some way.  This is by design.  Then, after
making us sick, they take away our ability to treat and heal ourselves and
our loved ones.  Can you think of anything more evil in its intent?   I for
one cannot.  The governments job is to protect its citizensŠ instead they
are now in the business of murdering us.  I¹m not joking folks.  This is the
reality we are living in.  Monsanto, big pharma, and the NOW are in
partnership to cull the population and give millions of new customers to the
pharma companies so they can poison us with their dangerous and ineffectual
drugs making trillions on us before we die.
 

Re: CS>help

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I agree Jaxi, I have a Silver Puppy for years now and is so easy to use‹and
versatile, and has produced consistently good EIS and never let me down.  It
was very reasonable in price and the rods etc., are all easily available.
Ode is also very approachable and really good about giving value for money
and not ripping people off‹a rarity nowadays.  Can¹t praise it enough for my
needs.  If you need to make larger amounts at one time, I have read really
good reviews of the SilverGen too.  dee



From: jaxi 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 19:49:49 -0600
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>help
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:49:48 -0800

I disagree that those are the "best" or only ones to buy but that point
aside the description Joe sent sounds like a silvergen to me.  I personally
have a silver puppy and just LOVE it.  I was trying to answer the person's
question and direct them to the EIS maker it sounded like he was describing
... I did not try to tell him which one he should buy or which one I think
is best.

Peace,

Jaxi

Re: CS>No wonder we got so sick: Pharma and Researchers exposed

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

It is no wonder. dee



From: Melly Bag 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 08:37:51 -0800 (PST)
To: , "silver-list@eskimo.com"
, "crock_lakhov...@yahoogroups.com"

Subject: CS>No wonder we got so sick:  Pharma and Researchers exposed
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 08:37:51 -0800

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/as-drug-industrys-influence-o
ver-research-grows-so-does-the-potential-for-bias/2012/11/24/bb64d596-1264-1
1e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_story.html

Re: CS>Pain Relief (anti-inflammatory)

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Unfortunately ­ and typically ­ the UK Amazon doesn¹t stock it Del,
otherwise I would surely get it.  dee



From: Del 
Organization: Alternative Systems
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 18:06:47 -0500
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: CS>Pain Relief (anti-inflammatory)
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 15:07:10 -0800

I may have posted this before, but I am not sure how many people saw it.
I have received amazing relief from long term pain due to a hip injury from
a David Williams product called Periva.
It is basically an extract of Tumeric and Hops, so it is all natural and you
can take it long term with no nasty side effects.
You can buy it direct from David William¹s site or also from Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Williams-Periva-Supplement-capsules/dp/B0083V8R58/r
ef=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1353711634&sr=8-1&keywords=Periva
I take two a day WITH FOOD (don¹t take on an empty stomach, tumeric is a
powerful spice) and am pain free all day.
Everyone is different, but my wife also reports pain relief from this
relatively new product, so it is worth a try for those with chronic pain.
 
Del
 
Product Description
Clinically shown to quickly, safely, and naturally relieve aches and pains.
Let's face it, when you're in pain, you want relief and you want it fast.
But you also want something natural that won't have negative effects on your
health. Periva is a proprietary blend of two breakthrough natural
ingredients that provide fast, effective relief. Perluxan is a unique hops
extract containing 30% alpha acids, which have been shown to support the
body's natural inflammatory response. Perluxan has been shown in clinical
studies to relieve pain quickly. In fact, study participants using Perluxan
showed significantly reduced pain in all five movement aspects tested,
including walking, lying down, sitting, and going up and down stairs. Meriva
is a highly bioavailable form of curcumin, the active ingredient in
turmeric. This spice is known for its health promoting properties, but
especially for its ability to promote a normal inflammatory response and
ease joint and muscle discomfort. The curcumin in Meriva is bound to soy
phosphatidylcholine to create a phytosome, which makes it up to 45 times
more bioavailable than ordinary curcumin.
 

Re: CS>tick - oregano- shingles

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thanks Beth all ideas welcome.  dee



From: Beth Harrison 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 15:10:00 -0600
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>tick - oregano- shingles
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 13:09:39 -0800

Dorothy,
This is nowhere near natural-- however my husband has had severe pain with
sciatica recently.  Been to a chiropractor several times
and a massage therapist.  We were at a craft show over the weekend and he
was limping with the pain.  He went to
the vendors lounge and laid down on a couch.  Someone took pity on him and
gave him two naproxyn sodium (Aleve) which he
had never taken before, and he got relief! That seems to be the only thing
that has helped.  
That is not a long term remedy for us, assuredly--  but until we can nail
down the root cause and a more natural remedy, it has
sure given him much needed relief from the acute pain.
Beth H 
 

 

Re: CS>tick - oregano- shingles

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thank you for all the informatiov- food for thought indeed.  dee



From: mgperrault 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:56:04 -0700
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>tick - oregano- shingles
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 11:56:08 -0800

   
Its the long and difficult project to rebuild nerves.  Liposome concoctions
seem like a promising avenue since the phospholipids are natural to the
cells and may be able to deliver otherwise poorly absorbed nutrients.  If
you have an ultrasonic unit, you are set.  There is a DIY LET forum.
 
 If you have sciatica you have to find a way to stretch the spine, like
inversion boards, slant board or something.  Maybe take a look at Peter
Egosques book Pain Free.
 
 Actually, there is some indication that medical marijuana could be good.
Calcium aep comes to mind.  Paw Paw herb may be of benefit.  If you want to
try an herbal pain management, try kratom from a place like bouncing bear
botanicals.  This would be a legal herbal in liu of hard pharmaceuticals.
 
 If you have root canals, some, like Hulda Clark say progress is difficult
or nearly impossible.  I would try zapping around the mouth area, and a
cheap way is to look into godzilla method.  There are pulsers for example by
Sota and Stenulson.  You could try CS with DMSO held in the mouth.  Then
there is the need for chelation.  A big subject on its own.  Cilantro WITH
clay, chlorella and selenium is an option.  A ripe field for your research.
 
 The main thing is to move forward with these things. Use google and follow
all of the key terms mentioned. If you are not a mover shaker personality,
write a to do list and put on the fridge.  Emotional freedom technique, the
tapping and self affirmation thing may be very good.
 
 Best of luck
 
 
 

Re: CS>tick - oregano- shingles

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Yes I have root canals but not mold.  I now have an acute burning sensation
in the buttock (lol) but don¹t know if this is to do with the shingles or a
sciatica problem.  I do know that even ibuprofen + codeine don¹t help it
whereas that stops the normal stabbing pains from shingles.  I was
considering the amitriptylene approach which got rid of my fibromyalgie some
years ago ­ although I don¹t want to.  I do know that it is extremely
painful.  By the liposome preparations do you mean Vit C done in lecithin in
a sonic unit, because I have the makings of this?  dee



From: mgperrault 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:40:36 -0700
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>tick - oregano- shingles
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:40:36 -0800

   
capsaicin cream or patches are said to help the neuralgia.  topical
magnesium "oil" may help.  Treating neuralgia or an active viral outbreak
may be two separate endeavors.  I would say avoid tricyclic antidepressants
unless you like exploring the dark world of side effects.  A TENS device is
similar to zapping and may be of benefit. Boswellia is a consideration.  The
nerves somehow get tangled and this can be a deep and difficult thing.  Im
interested in the possibility of home made liposome preparations which might
be something for you to research.
  
 zapping can affect the entire body, I wouldnt discount this, especially in
the acute phases.  If lysine and cs seemed to help but it always came back,
I would consider there may be something affecting your immune system.  Root
canals and mold come to mind.....
 
 
 
 On 11/22/2012 10:40 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 
>  Re: CS>tick - oregano- shingles Thanks for your reply and advice ­ its much
> appreciated.  I have actually had shingles off and on for about ten years or
> more I think.  By shingles I mean the neuralgia which accompanies it.  I have
> only had one actual outbreak with lesions and that was mild, but I still get ­
> what I call Œstabbing¹ pains along my ribs mainly‹but other places as well.  I
> did try using CS along with high doses of lysine, but it always came back ­
> which is why I am trying the oil of oregano now.  I use Oreganol and it says
> to put two drops under the tongue.  It is absolutely foul I have to say and I
> find it easier to take in water, but I thought maybe this would dilute it.  I
> thought it would be difficult to use a zapper because one never knows where
> the virus is actually lurking ­ I would have thought.  Regards, dee
>  
>  
>  
> 
> From: mgperrault 
>  Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
>  Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 09:57:29 -0700
>  To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
>  Subject: Re: CS>tick - oregano- shingles
>  Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
>  Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:57:34 -0800
>  
> 
>  My mom almost died from shingles.  Of course the severity varies.  Older
> folks that have had a chicken pox vaccination when they were young may get
> worse symptoms.  The problem is post herpetic neuralgia.  So you will want to
> research as much and do as much as you can for this because the neuralgia is
> almost impossible to cure.  Sorry, I dont have my files on it, but frankly, we
> werent too successful with our herbs, plus doctors medications, which were
> actually horrible.  The nurse told me she wouldnt last one more day, so
> despite her bedridden destroyed state, I made the awful decision to take her
> off all meds and she started improving from there and lasted another decade.
>   
>   If you can handle your oregano by mouth than its probably ok for you. It may
> be already diluted with oil.  I would try zapping which in my experience is
> pretty effective against virus's.  Look into hulda Clarks zappers or rife.
> Cheaper hand held ones may be as effective as plasma units.  Frequency
> specific may help you more than the simplest ones.  Look also for violet ray
> machines, usually you can find used ones on ebay or spring for a new one.
>   
>   Chaparral could be good, and if you live near where it grows, you can make
> your own strong teas and lotions with it.
>   
>   Do more than you are doing and do it soon.  Be decisive and pro active to
> avoid years of misery.
>   
>   
>
 
 

Re: CS>tick - oregano- shingles

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Good luck Lena, I feel I have been very, very lucky!  Regards dee



From: Lena Guyot 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:42:40 -0500
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>tick - oregano- shingles
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:42:41 -0800

I'm presently coming through a bout of shingles, am 67 years old, a
Lymie,(compromised immune system stressed by GB attack).
Yes, the neuralgia is the scary part. It's beginning to fade somewhat, so
I'm hopeful that all the measures I took did work to spare permanent damage
to nerves, but this was truly the worst hell I could ever have imagined
enduring. I immediately began drinking a lot of good colloidal silver to
squelch the virus. I sprayed the rash with high proof alcohol (vodka mixed
with distilled water, Listerine, or Hydrogen peroxide, depending on what
felt good. Took lots of extra L-Lysine, and arabinogalactin, tried licorice
extract on rash which usually helps but in my case felt worse, avoided
legumes because arginine in them feed the herpes zoster. Vitamin E, B6 and
niacin are also recommended. Epsom salt or mag-flakes baths are very
soothing, for a while.
'Two Old Goats' lotion is a wonderful herbal creme that's really helping
(it's recommended for fibromyalgia, and seems to temporarily help
post-herptic neuralgia) I'm taking vicodin at night to get sleep because
rest is SO important, and basically using heat and cold during the day with
lots of rest when the muscles start to spasm up. Somewhere in the course of
things I was taking O of O and than lost track and forgot (pain really saps
the brain)
Protein is important to help the body rebuild, and rest, rest, rest. The
pain will make you do that anyway. Best of luck. This ain't for sissies.

Be well,
Léna
On Nov 22, 2012, at 11:57 AM, mgperrault wrote:

> 
>  
> My mom almost died from shingles.  Of course the severity varies.  Older folks
> that have had a chicken pox vaccination when they were young may get worse
> symptoms.  The problem is post herpetic neuralgia.  So you will want to
> research as much and do as much as you can for this because the neuralgia is
> almost impossible to cure.  Sorry, I dont have my files on it, but frankly, we
> werent too successful with our herbs, plus doctors medications, which were
> actually horrible.  The nurse told me she wouldnt last one more day, so
> despite her bedridden destroyed state, I made the awful decision to take her
> off all meds and she started improving from there and lasted another decade.
>  
>  If you can handle your oregano by mouth than its probably ok for you. It may
> be already diluted with oil.  I would try zapping which in my experience is
> pretty effective against virus's.  Look into hulda Clarks zappers or rife.
> Cheaper hand held ones may be as effective as plasma units.  Frequency
> specific may help you more than the simplest ones.  Look also for violet ray
> machines, usually you can find used ones on ebay or spring for a new one.
>  
>  Chaparral could be good, and if you live near where it grows, you can make
> your own strong teas and lotions with it.
>  
>  Do more than you are doing and do it soon.  Be decisive and pro active to
> avoid years of misery.
>  
>  
>  On 11/22/2012 2:53 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
>  
>  
>>  Re: CS>tick bite problem - oregano in general Just reading this and I was
>> wondering if this would be the same.  I ingest oil of oregano‹two drops under
>> the tongue for shingles.  Is this right, or should I be diluting it?  Many
>> thanks.  dee
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> From: mgperrault  >
>>  Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com  "
>>  >
>>  Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:19:27 -0700
>>  To: "silver-list@eskimo.com  "
>>  >
>>  Subject: Re: CS>tick bite problem
>>  Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com  "
>>  >
>>  Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:19:33 -0800
>>  
>> 
>>  Part of the tick may still be in your arm.  If you swab directly with
>> oregano, you may overdose your skin which could create some of the reaction.
>> Some oils penetrate better than others.  Tea tree, clove, lavender penetrate.
>> Mixing your oregano with jojoba and those other oils could be a better way
>> than straight oregano.  I would be tempted to keep it cold at first while you
>> zap with a battery.  In a few days, alternating heat and cold could be
>> beneficial.  Isopropyl alcohol may not be as good as vodka or everclear.
>> Vitamin C, several grams could be good.  If you have respiratory allergic
>> reactions, baking soda and or choline may help. If you zapp, be aware that
>> local burns are possible.  You can feel this happening.  Avoid it by
>> increasing the area of the damp sponges/ paper towels or decreasing the
>> voltage.  
>>   
>>   
>>
>  
>  

Re: CS>tick - oregano- shingles

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thanks for your reply and advice ­ its much appreciated.  I have actually
had shingles off and on for about ten years or more I think.  By shingles I
mean the neuralgia which accompanies it.  I have only had one actual
outbreak with lesions and that was mild, but I still get ­ what I call
Œstabbing¹ pains along my ribs mainly‹but other places as well.  I did try
using CS along with high doses of lysine, but it always came back ­ which is
why I am trying the oil of oregano now.  I use Oreganol and it says to put
two drops under the tongue.  It is absolutely foul I have to say and I find
it easier to take in water, but I thought maybe this would dilute it.  I
thought it would be difficult to use a zapper because one never knows where
the virus is actually lurking ­ I would have thought.  Regards, dee



From: mgperrault 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 09:57:29 -0700
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>tick - oregano- shingles
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:57:34 -0800

   
My mom almost died from shingles.  Of course the severity varies.  Older
folks that have had a chicken pox vaccination when they were young may get
worse symptoms.  The problem is post herpetic neuralgia.  So you will want
to research as much and do as much as you can for this because the neuralgia
is almost impossible to cure.  Sorry, I dont have my files on it, but
frankly, we werent too successful with our herbs, plus doctors medications,
which were actually horrible.  The nurse told me she wouldnt last one more
day, so despite her bedridden destroyed state, I made the awful decision to
take her off all meds and she started improving from there and lasted
another decade.  
 
 If you can handle your oregano by mouth than its probably ok for you. It
may be already diluted with oil.  I would try zapping which in my experience
is pretty effective against virus's.  Look into hulda Clarks zappers or
rife.  Cheaper hand held ones may be as effective as plasma units.
Frequency specific may help you more than the simplest ones.  Look also for
violet ray machines, usually you can find used ones on ebay or spring for a
new one.   
 
 Chaparral could be good, and if you live near where it grows, you can make
your own strong teas and lotions with it.
 
 Do more than you are doing and do it soon.  Be decisive and pro active to
avoid years of misery.
 
 

Re: CS>tick bite problem - oregano in general

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Just reading this and I was wondering if this would be the same.  I ingest
oil of oregano‹two drops under the tongue for shingles.  Is this right, or
should I be diluting it?  Many thanks.  dee



From: mgperrault 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:19:27 -0700
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>tick bite problem
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:19:33 -0800

   
Part of the tick may still be in your arm.  If you swab directly with
oregano, you may overdose your skin which could create some of the reaction.
Some oils penetrate better than others.  Tea tree, clove, lavender
penetrate.  Mixing your oregano with jojoba and those other oils could be a
better way than straight oregano.  I would be tempted to keep it cold at
first while you zap with a battery.  In a few days, alternating heat and
cold could be beneficial.  Isopropyl alcohol may not be as good as vodka or
everclear.  Vitamin C, several grams could be good.  If you have respiratory
allergic reactions, baking soda and or choline may help. If you zapp, be
aware that local burns are possible.  You can feel this happening.  Avoid it
by increasing the area of the damp sponges/ paper towels or decreasing the
voltage.  
 
 

Re: CS>Silver and the Gut

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

You are right Dave ­ it is formaldehyde which has no known safe levels!  dee




<>

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Gary Hilt 
wrote:
> Hey Suzy
> Well i take the CS 2x a day and i take 1/4 tsp of MSM 2x a day with some
> crystal light.
> i did have an initial detox and felt funk for a few days but now much better!
> 

Re: CS>Vitamin C

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

It is. dee



From: PT Ferrance 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 05:00:36 -0800 (PST)
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Vitamin C
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 05:00:36 -0800

I thought it was the other way around... Vit C neutralizes Iodine?
PT


From: Paul 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, November 7, 2012 2:15:45 AM
Subject: CS>Vitamin C

It'll peak at a couple of hours, then quickly tail off.  By 12 hours there's
very little left, so if you're megadosing regular C and want to avoid bowel
tolerance issues, perhaps somewhere around the 2 hour mark you'd take an
extra dose.

Maybe taking Iodine in the morning and wait a couple of hours before
starting the vit C schedule.  The idodine would be used up long before it
neutralised the Vit C because of the huge difference in quantities of the
two consumed.

Paul B

Re: CS>Nail Hardener/formaldehyde

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Formaldehyde has no known safe levels.  dee



> 
> 
> 
>> urea formaldehyde resin has been a scourge in my life.   But for nails, I
>> think one could use a lacquer from art supplies to embed the anti fungal
>> herbs and silver for sustained release. There are water based varnishes
>> etc.
> 
> 



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Re: Sv: RE: CS> Sunflower Lecithin - Vit C and cancer

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Even people who advocate Vit C say that it does deplete iodine, which is a
halogen and this would help cancer greatly as iodine is essential in the
prevention of cancer--especially breast cancer apparently.  Enough doubt to
cause me to re-think taking large amounts of *any* supplement.  dee



> 
> Not a stong arguement against C...
> Pauling died at age 93 when most people are long gone anyway.
> I'd take these odds!
> 
> Chuck
> Lymph (v.), to walk with a lisp.
> 



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Re: Sv: RE: CS> Sunflower Lecithin - Vit C and cancer

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

These are conclusions I have come to Dave which is why I don¹t use the Vit C
anymore.  I know the liposomal kind doesn¹t cause the same problems that
ordinary stuff does, be even so, I have become very wary now of
supplementing with anything out of context i.e anything that is not in food
form.  Except Vit D3 which I take in liposomal spray form.  dee



From: Dave Darrin 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 10:16:35 -0800
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: Sv: RE: CS> Sunflower Lecithin - Vit C and cancer
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 10:16:35 -0800

 Dee 
  I think you have hit  on a problem that has concerned me for quite some
time about enormous amounts of Vit C being ingested. As you probably already
know, the man that promoted Vit C as a preventative  to vascular problems,
Dr Linus Pauling, died of cancer that he was trying to cure with massive
doses of Vit C.
  Vit C is an acid and cancer loves an acidic environment so extra large
doses at that time would be counter productive I would think.
  Another thought concerning Vit C is that it binds with Iodine and deprives
your thyroid of something it needs. The thyroid controls almost every gland
in your body and if not working properly can open a doorway to many
disorders.
  My thought is to take smaller amounts, enough to satisfy your needs, maybe
not enough to go beyond bowel tolerance. Bowel tolerance is a sign you are
overdoing  and the body is putting on the brakes before you do damage.
  I spilled a drop of iodine on a painted windowsill , I tried to wipe it
off, that didn't affect it at all so I tried to wash it off with detergent
and that didn't affect it either, three months later it still looked like a
fresh spill so one night I laid a Vit C pill on the spot ,thinking I would
crush it and try to scrub up the stain if that would soften it a bit. Well
to my surprise the next morning the spot was gone and the area looked as if
I had possibly repainted it. The pill had turned a darker color. That was
proof to me of just how intensely Vit C
grabs iodine and removes it from your system.

Thoughts to ponder
Dave 

Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2012 #413 Vit C and cancer

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Well this is basically what I have read Paul ­ possibly on different cancer
sites I have skimmed through.  It is also mentioned on the Budwig protocol
that no Vit C or any anti-oxidants may be taken because they counteract the
anti-cancer protocol.  If you look up the cottage cheese and flax seed
protocol as advocated by Dr Joanne Budwig, you should find it.  dee



From: Paul 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 01:03:32 +0700
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Cc: , 
Subject: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2012 #413
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 10:04:31 -0800

   Hi Dee,
 
 Can you tell us where this information comes from?  I have a personal and
commercial interest in Lipo Vit C and this goes against absolutely
everything I've ever learnt, but I'm a truth seeker and want to see all
angles, so please if you have some information it would be much appreciated
if you'll share.  I R&D every day like a hawk and have never heard anything
of this kind *except* that small doses of Vit C could help cancer survive,
because it changes its behaviour in a dose dependant manner, and the idea is
to hit is quick and very hard, and not to pussy foot around with it with RDA
levels of 60-65mg etc.  It can be a pro-oxidant and an anti-oxidant
dependent on dose and environment.
 
 Regards
 Paul
 
 
 
> 
>  
>  
 
 

Re: CS>The Silvercell process?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I thought our EIS was mostly ionic?  dee



From: David O'Neil 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:01:31 +1030
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>The Silvercell process?
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 04:49:03 -0800

So, would you agree that Mikes claim that its extremely difficult to make
highly ionic CS is somewhat exagerated?
 
David
 
 
>  
-

Re: CS> Sunflower Lecithin - Vit C and cancer

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I am on the Budwig Flaxoil2 forum and it is there that I have found
references to this phenomena.  I have also read it elsewhere -  although
cannot remember exactly where but it may be on some cancer sites.  I thought
it may be because Vit C is an anti-oxidant and cancer thrives without
oxygen.  dee



From: Frank 
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Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:11:30 -0500
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Re: Sv: RE: CS> Sunflower Lecithin - Vit C and cancer

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I dissolved the soy lecithin in the distilled water before it went into the
sonic cleaner.  This only took a couple of hours just shaking it up
occasionally and then it was completely dissolved.  The only problem is, I
am on another list which strongly suggests that taking supplemental Vit C
can actually help cancer to survive.  I would be interested to hear any
comments on this.  dee




I whip the pre-mix by hand and it takes a little more time to get a good
dissolve, but the emulsification in the finished product is vastly superior
to soy granules and it always stays perfectly in suspension.

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  From:  Nenah Sylver ;
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 I have made the Lip C with both liquid sunflower lecithin and soy lecithin
granules. Although I¹m not a fan of soy, I found that my body tolerated the
soy lecithin okay.The liquid is sticky and MUCH more difficult to
emulsify‹although it can be done. You simply need to spend about 3 times
longer with the sonic cleaner to make sure that everything dissolves
correctly. Shaking it in a jar beforehand doesn¹t hurt either.Nenah
Nenah Sylver, PhD author, the NEW Rife Handbook (2011) Holistic Handbook of
Sauna Therapy (2004) VoiceBio and Biomodulator certification
www.nenahsylver.com  ; www.rifehandbook.com

Re: CS>Toenail Fungus

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Can I get this in the UK Tara and if so where from?  Many thanks. dee


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> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 06:57:27 -0400
> To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Subject: Re: CS>Toenail Fungus
> Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 03:57:26 -0700
> 
> Hey, everyone,
> I keep saying this and mayb, just MAYbe someone will eventually try this.
> The Muscadine grape seed lotions kill fungus because it has two (2)
> extra chromosomes in teh seed for exactly that function... to kill
> fungal growth.
> I use the lotion (trans dermal herbal therapy) on my clients feet (I
> am a certified Reflexologist BTW) and in a few days they start to see
> the moons on their toe nails and NO fungus recurring.
> Just a thought.
> Tara
> 
>



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Re: CS>New and want to make my own CS

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I managed it fine Ode so I would have thought anyone could <>  dee



From: Ode Coyote 
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:53:31 -0400
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  The first page you go to from the entry page  IS the order page.
Right at the top
To Order From This Page:

Put a qty in the little white box and press add to cart button.
Then view cart
then check out.

Give people too much info and they think it's hard..then MAKE it hard.

Ode


At 10:06 AM 10/30/2012 -0500, you wrote:
> Yes, the SilverPuppy website is an incredible mess.  Super confusing.
> I'm surprised that anyone can actually figure out how to buy anything.
>  (Although I have bought one myself.) Took me half an hour to find the
> order page, and even then I wasn't sure if I had ordered the right
> thing.
> 
> Time to clean it up ODE.
> 
> (Well, maybe you get as much business as you want already.)
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:13 PM, JERRY PRENDERGAST
>  wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > I am new and want to make my own CS.
>> >
>> > When I went to silver puppy.com web site to purchase a machine I got very
>> > confused. The site does not mention silver puppy. It is Coyote
>> Zenterprizes.
>> > Is that the correct site to order from? IS it the standard automatic CS
>> > generator that I should purchase. Should I purchase a stirrer also?
>> >
>> > Any other suggestion on how to start would be appreciated.
>> >
>> > Thank you for your help.
>> > Sandy
> 
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Re: CS>Fibromyalgia

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

It may be that CS can kill or suppress herpes zoster which some attribute to
fibromyalgia.  It worked for me along with lysine but unfortunately came
back as soon as I stopped the strict regime.  dee



From: Gary Hilt 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:23:12 -0400
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: CS>Fibromyalgia
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:23:13 -0700

Hi: Appreciate all the advice on here but have to admit i dont understand
much of it.
Does anyone know of any benefits of CS on fibro? i know that dmso might help
some aching and soreness.
Also ho wowuld i mix the cs with dmso to apply to skin or joints?
Thanks so much
gary

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