re: CS>(OT) Russians Offer Water Bombers

[ode wan coyote]

On 05/12/00, d.linen wrote...
###  perhaps they are opening a door for us to help them with some of thier 
national disasters? We could actually help each other.
 KD'C
>
>What are they NOT telling us if the Russians offer to help us? Has any
>other country offered us help before with our disasters?
>
>Diane
>
>
>
>
>
>Friday, May 12, 2000
>
>Russians Offer Water Bombers
>
>The Associated Press
>
> MOSCOW   -   Two giant Il-76 jet airplanes capable of dumping 44 tons
>of
>water are standing by to help fight a fire in the Los Alamos area if
>needed, Russian officials said Friday.   The Russian Ministry of
>Emergency
>Situations said it had received an official request  from the U.S.
>Federal
>Emergency Management Agency for the airplanes, but was awaiting
>confirmation before ordering the long flight to the United States.  The
>airplanes were "ready to take off at any minute," said ministry official
>Alexander  Zalyotov.  The four-engine Il-76MDP can water-bomb an area
>500
>yards by 100 yards or drop 40 fully equipped firefighters by parachute,
>according to the reference book Jane's All  The World's Aircraft.
>
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Re: CS>Silver - an article

[ode wan coyote]

 ## Only true if no current controls are used, otherwise, current stays the 
same or less no matter what the conductivity.  KD'C

On 05/15/00, James Osbourne, Holmes wrote...

>
>Increasing TDS in start water causes increasing currrent, and can cause
>larger particles.  Marx says 0.8 PPM TDS is optimal for his HVAC process.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ted Windsor 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>Date: Saturday, May 13, 2000 11:39 AM
>Subject: Re: CS>Silver - an article
>
>
>>My experience has been that it depends on the quality of water used.
>>For example I distill my own water and have never had amber or yellow
>>CS, mine has always been clear.  Yet people who use the same unit and
>>have purchased commercial distilled water have told me their CS is amber
>>in color?
>>
>>Blessings
>>Ted
>>
>>James Allison wrote:
>>
>>> Personally?  I've always liked and agreed with what Peter A. Lindemann
>>> says about color: "There has been a fair amount of controversy in the
>>> public literature concerning the appearance of the "yellow" color. A
>>> lot of well meaning people have told me that "yellow is bad", "silver
>>> isn't yellow", "yellow is sulfur contamination", "yellow is iron
>>> contamination", and lots of other things. I finally found what I
>>> believe to be the answer to this question in a book titled Practical
>>> Colloid Chemistry, published in London in 1926. In the section on the
>>> "Colours of Colloidal Metals", sub-section on the "Polychromism of
>>> silver solutions" on page 69, I found the following statements: "The
>>> continuous change in colour from yellow to blue corresponds to a
>>> change in the absorption maximum of the shorter to longer wave-lengths
>>> with a decreasing degree of dispersion. This is a general phenomenon
>>> in colloid chemistry illustrating the relation between colour and
>>> degree of dispersion." This section goes on to describe the colors
>>> that show up in a wide variety of colloidal metal solutions.
>>> Interestingly, they ALL have a yellow phase. For true
>>> "electro-colloidal" silver, the particle size range that can appear
>>> yellow is .01 to .001 microns (10 to 100 angstroms) because that is
>>> the size of silver particle that best absorbs the indigo light,
>>> leaving only its inverse color, yellow, to be observed. The final
>>> transparent-yellow appearance only shows up after the particles have
>>> become evenly dispersed." Yours in health,
>>> James Allison -Allisons
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>>>  - Original Message -
>>>  From: mama2b...@aol.com
>>>  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>>  Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 9:05 AM
>>>  Subject: Re: CS>Silver - an article
>>>   Sounds suspicious to me.  Mine is crystal clear.
>>>
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>

Re: CS>Taking CS internally

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  ##  I've taken that amount for over two years with the only side effect 
being very good health, no cavities or plaque [unlike before] and a general 
clearing of a nasty 5 year old toe fungus.

 KD'C


At 03:38 PM 5/16/00 -0700, you wrote:

Is it safe to take two ounces of CS daily for three
years?  Has anyone on the list taken CS daily for
two or more years?  Are there any long term
side-effects from taking CS daily for several years?

M. Louis



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Re: CS>Re: [CS>Unidentified subject!]

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  ##  If you get a LVDC generator, there no chance at all of receiving a 
shock. If it's current controlled at less than 1 milliamp, there's even 
less than a zero chance of shock.

  KD'C

At 09:08 AM 5/18/00 -0600, you wrote:

Yep, that's about what I paid the two times I bought it!!!  Are there manuals
that come with these generators?  Are they safe?  I wouldn't get electricuted
or anything would I?
Lisa


"Elena A. Milholland"  wrote:
To Lisa Davie:

I just wouldn' t understand why people would want to buy CS like at least
for $15 for a tiny bottle if you can make tons of it yourself.  But be sure
and buy a good one. The best are those that make crystal clear CS.

Elena



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Re: CS>Unidentified subject!

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 ##  No matter what the PPM, CS will be diluted and absorbed in body 
fluids.  Most dosing goes by body weight.  If it's high PPM, just take 
less, but even high dosages won't hurt you.

 K

At 09:00 PM 5/18/00 -0500, you wrote:

   Mary

  What generator do you have?  I had one of those that you just plug in and
leave it and then it shuts off.  Didn't take too much time.  Sometimes I
would even make it at night.  Just turn it on at evening, go to bed, and in
the morning it's done!

Now, I have a quesion to the list.  Does it matter you think how strong CS
is?  Does PPM count? You think that 30 PPM would work much better than 5?

Elena.


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Re: CS>What is best constant current?

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  Generally, the 20ma [to 40 ma] has nothing to do with "controlled" 
current.  This is a 'current limitation' to prevent the generator from 
burning itself up if the electrodes short out. [Usually a series resistor 
or grain of wheat light bulb]
 So far, I have not seen recommendations for true current control [where 
the voltage drops as the conductivity increases] that exceeds 1 ma.
  I find it difficult to make clear CS at 1 ma and over, though constant 
stirring may be of help. [Why, I don't know but it does seem to help.]


 Baking soda is not necessary or recommendable for LVDC generators.  Time 
is.  Seeding with a little of a previous batch reduces the time factor 
without contaminating it.

 k...@czen

At 12:05 AM 5/20/00 -0600, you wrote:

Hi list,

I am new to this list, but have designed and experimented with many CS 
generators over the last few years (I am an EE).  But I need some help 
with the electro-chemistry aspects.  For a DC generator, I have seen 
conflicting recommendations on the best constant current to use.  For 
example, one recommends 20 ma., and another says use less than 1 ma.  Some 
say particle size is smaller when less current and more time is used for a 
given PPM.  What is the list wisdom on the value of constant current to use?


I have made both low voltage DC generators (which requires a bit of baking 
soda for proper conductivity) and high voltage DC generators (which don't 
need any additive to the steam distilled water).  Is the optimum current 
the same for both low and high voltage constant current generators?


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Re: CS>Just When We Thought HVAC CS Was DOA, Look What Happened.....

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  ## The difference you observed is probably from the different 
application procedures rather than a difference in the CS. Inhaling an 
atomized spray gets that CS to the most efficient blood interface of the 
lungs second only to injection. Sinus cavities and nasal passages are 
highly efficient too...ask any coke head.  It also went directly to the 
site of the infection, undiluted.
 PPM, when applied to the body has to take dilution in bodily fluids into 
account. If applied directly, PPM can be initially lower and still deliver 
sufficient PPM to the site. If simply ingesting CS, it has to go through a 
lot of different absorption sites to be distributed in the body.  What does 
stomach acid do to CS? [for instance]  How much CS gets absorbed by the 
mouth and throat before it reaches the stomach?


The other day I had a bad sinus headache.  I positioned myself upside down 
on the couch with my head hanging off the edge and dripped a little CS into 
my nose. [11PPM by the meter] It filled the sinus cavity all the way up to 
the eye and actually made my eye burn slightly. I stayed in that position 
for 6 minutes. 10 minutes laterno sinus pain...no headache.

 KD'C


At 08:12 AM 5/26/00 -0400, you wrote:

List:

Wednesday evening I felt myself coming down with a sore throat (I decided a
year or two ago to stop taking CS prophylactically because it provided poor
systemic protection, in my case anyway) so I started taking a low dc voltage,
limiting current (ma <=1.43, and a bubbler was used during production) CS
(*concentration unknown, but it had a significant Tyndall). However, my
condition steadily worsened. By Thursday afternoon had consumed more than 10
oz. of this CS as the infection spread to my lungs and ears. However, I did
notice some temporary relief (for a few minutes) if I let a mouthful of the
CS trickle down into my throat from a prone position, but that's very
difficult to do for more than a few seconds without swallowing. Enter the
much maligned HVAC CS.

At about 6 pm Thursday evening, I decided to spray ~1 ppm HVAC CS (pH = 4.5,
no Tyndall -- tastes like water despite the low pH) directly into my throat
while breathing deeply through my mouth and trying not to swallow. Using a
spray bottle, (as opposed to the method described above) made it  much easier
to refrain from swallowing, thus allowing the heavier "atomized" water
particles to coat the surface of my sore throat. In addition, the smallest of
the water droplets had a reasonable chance of reaching my lungs (breathing
deeply helps too) where the infection was much more severe. Within minutes I
felt better. I continued to follow this procedure later that evening (feeling
better and worse during the evening), and during the night as well (whenever
I got up, I added a few drops of the HVAC CS to each ear as well). By 6 am I
was 90% better, and now as I write this email (7:30 am. I also took another
"shot" of my HVAC CS about an hour ago for good measure), I feel I'm
completely normal --  quite dramatic when you consider that I was practically
climbing the walls for much of yesterday.

Admittedly, this result is a singIe observation, and may not mean that much
by itself. However, I recall that the recent BYU "Silver Solution" work
showed generally that 5 ppm of this (presumably CS) prep was needed to kill
the various types of bacteria, and 2.5 ppm only inhibited further growth. So
it is quite surprising that the ~1 ppm HVAC CS did so well "in vivo" while
the former result was based on "in vitro" measurments.

If anyone is interested in following up on my recent findings please let me
know and I'll send you a one ounce sample of the same 1 ppm HVAC CS brew that
I used. BTW, 1 ounce is more than sufficient if it is administered from a
spray bottle which I HIGHLY recommend  based on the almost miraculous results
I observed. Please send my $3 to cover shipping it to you, and most
importantly, please report your observations to "list subscribers".

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Re: CS

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 ##  Next time just pour so you leave the deposits in the container. Also, 
when " in process" stirring, carefully pour your CS into a different 
container, clean the original and pour it back in...or use the other 
container.  This prevents deposits from being stirred in and does the 
stirring as well.
 Removing the rods while the power is on seems to help deposits stick to 
the rods better.

 Never stir with the rods.
 KD'C

At 09:39 AM 5/27/00 -0700, you wrote:



> Hi, I have a CS Generator and have just made a new batch of CS.  There was
a
> tiny amount of sediment of a few dark grains in the bottom of the jar. Set
> the jar on a shelf in a closet and didn't strain it right away.  Was
making
> strong CS and was planning on watering it down with more distilled water
so I
> wouldn't have to make it so often.  Two days later I decided to strain it
and
> the granules weren't there anymore and the CS had turned more golden (it
was
> a very pale amber before) but still very clear. I did strain it though.
What
> do you think, is this safe CS?
> > Thanks, Mary

Dear Mary, Sounds good to me! I never strain mine, nothing in there to worry
about.
Marsha



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Re: CS

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 ##  Rainwater is good if you don't live down wind from a large city or 
industrial facility and collect it directly from the sky. [not runoff from 
the roof]
 Transparent is the best CS, Yellow may be a bit stronger but suggests 
particle 'clumping' regardless of what the reason for it may be...but it's 
still good.  IMO Lavender suggests a very large particle. I have made 
lavender to reddish CS two times and it actually looked cloudy and suffered 
from settling. Both batches were made with distilled water but were 
repeatedly stirred with the rods.

 I filled a drain with it.
 KD'C

At 05:09 PM 5/28/00 +0100, you wrote:

Hi Folks,
I'm new to the list.
I've been making CS  (Huh!) for the past six months, but have not yet
succeeded in obtaining the yellow color so many folks write about. It ranges
from transparent to pale lavender, but not yellow. The wire is ., the
generator(s) range from one PP3 to four x PP3 (different models). I time it
from 4 mins up to 30 mins depending on which generator I use.  Only thing I
have not got is distilled water.  Purified yes, Spring water, tap water,
injectible water, distilled no.  Is rainwater any good? We got plenty of
that. Where am I going wrong?
I'm in the UK.

Bill C.



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Re: CS>WHERE TO GET GOOD WIRE?

[Ode Wan Coyote]

http://www.metalworks.com/
 Good folks, good prices and selection..including bezel and 12 ga wire.
 KD'C

At 12:33 PM 5/28/00 -0700, you wrote:

Hi Lynn
You can buy silver wireor plates   #14 gauge or larger  silver
from  Hauser & Miller  10950 Lin-Valle Dr. St Louis, Mo 63123
314-487-1311 0r 1-800-462-7447
Also MYRON TOBAK INC  in NYC at 1-800-223-7550  Minimum order is 25.00
plus shipping for which you get 2 oz or about 10 feet of wire...A very 
reputable

and reliable supplier.
Hope this helps you
Regards Arose

lfzbiz...@aol.com wrote:

> Hi, all:
>
> I have never before made a CS generator, and in doing so, the only thing I
> cannot find quickly is the wire--do I get it from a jewelry supplier?  I do
> realize that it must have NO sterling in it, is that correct?
>
> One of your members from California has offered to send it to me for a 
small

> amount of money, but since I live in New Jersey, I feel it may take a wihle
> to get it here by mail, so am hoping I can just purchase it locally.  Thank
> you ahead of time..Lynn Flannery-Zotz
> a/k/a lfzbiz...@aol.com
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Re: CS> OT Common Cold Cure Colloidal Zinc??

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 ##  It's my understanding that colloidal zinc is as effective as 
colloidal silver and works the same way.  Perhaps any colloidal metal has 
much the same properties, but can react in the body in undesirable ways or 
overload/poison the system.  Silver is probably fairly inert in the blood 
stream, gold even more so.

 KD'C

At 08:09 AM 6/1/00 +0200, you wrote:

If this comes through twice I'm sorry. An article and patent for colds
to be found at http://www.coldcure.com by George Eby claims Zn2+ cures a
cold in 1 day. I was wondering if colloidal Zinc could be made in the
same fashion as CS?

James Houston-McMillan


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Re: CS>Dr Clark on CS

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  ##  Perhaps some good pics would..
 1] show the hydration structure that stabilizes? an ion or an ion cluster.
2] show the range of cluster sizes and crystalline shapes and maybe make 
some correlation to voltage and amperage.
3] show any negative oxygen ion bonding within an ion cluster that  might 
account for various colors and be related to particle/ion cluster size as 
well as possibly being a medium around which like charged repelling ions 
can aggregate if they are not sufficiently protected from dissolved oxygen 
by an insulating hydride formation.


 Question.  What's the largest possible charge that a silver particle can 
have as related to the number of atoms in the particle?  For instance:  Can 
a particle be constructed of 2 non-ionic [metallic] atoms and two silver 
[charged] ions, or is the charge limited to +1 in any given silver particle?

 If it is, how does the third ion lose its charge? [More than one way?]

 If a definitive answer can be had from your investment, it would be worth 
helping out with the expense in return for being able to post it on our 
various websites with references.


K

At 04:03 PM 6/1/00 -0700, you wrote:

Okay, since it seems that I started this, I made a few phone calls and
emailed a few people that do electron microscopy and so far I have only
gotten 1 response.  The response I got was that the approximate radius of Ag
is 1.444 angstroms.  So now we have 3 conflicting numbers as to particle
size :(

All this trouble for an angstrom, something that is only .0003937th of
an inch ;)

I'm not going to let this one go, as I am tired of all the controversy.  I
am going to have a 5ppm to 10ppm sol tested with an electron micro, as I'm
tired of all the conflicting reports.  Luckely I found a Prof. at one of the
universities who is almost as anti-governmental as I am and who's interest I
seemed to have peaked.  He's calling me tomorrow after he talks to his Dept.
head to see if we can do the TEM/SEM there.  If not, there's a company out
in California that will do the whole kit and kaboodle for under a thousand
dollars.  It's a hell of a lot of money, but at least I'll know for sure
what the particle size and makeup of colloidal silver in distilled water
using 27 volts is.

Yours in health,
James Allison

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Re: CS>Silver Electrodes touching sides/bottom

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  ##  To clear up the plateout issue.

 Plateout is possible even if the electrodes don't touch the glass.  When 
a generator is run without using any stirring mechanism, be it mechanical 
or thermal, small amounts of oxides and so on become deposited on the 
bottom. This fallout follows a conductive pathway that is continually 
becoming established between the electrodes.  As the generator runs and 
deposits more and more, this conductive pathway along the glass bottom 
'grabs' more of the current.  As the concentration of silver 
increases..while following this path, it has less tendency to stay 
suspended in the water and more tendency to want to plate onto the other 
electrode, BUT, it is now seeing the other electrode as this conductive 
pathway.
 To prevent this from happening, simply interrupt the path now and then by 
gentle stirring [thermal or mechanical] or moving the electrodes around a 
few degrees every few minutes.
 Plate out hasn't been much of a problem at concentrations under 12 PPM 
and almost never happens when using warm water [it cools, producing thermal 
currents], warming the water while in process [thermal currents disrupt the 
ion path] or stirring  the water in process.[ion path disrupted mechanically]
 The one thing to not do is to stir the CS after it is done and before 
decanting into another container...that is...after deposits have formed.
 I am coming to believe that stirring hydrates the silver ions, thus 
protecting them from the presence of oxygen, preventing significant 
formation of oxides in the first place.

 Have I understood this properly?  Testing bears out the result.
 Could vigorously stirring the CS in a clean container before storing 
prevent clear CS from turning yellow after several hours or days?

 Ken

02:50 PM 6/4/00 -0700, you wrote:
I use a vision ware pot and the electrodes touch the bottom, I have used 
this same
pot for the past four years, the meter I use for testing PPM shows between 
4 to 6

PPM each time, so I cannot agree with the following statement.
Blessings
Ted

Trem wrote:

> Hi List,
>
> There can be a downside to letting electrodes touch the glass.  It can
> plate out onto the glass and the next time you use the vessel, the plating
> can allow some of the current to flow from the electrodes to the plated
> portions which will then provide a current path and that will reduce the
> current flow between the electrodes.  The result is you won't get as strong
> CS as you had thought.  Best to clean the plating off the glass before
> using the vessel again or use a new one every once in a while.
>
> You can clean the plating off your vessel with 3% hydrogen peroxide.
>
> Trem
> www.silvergen.com
>
> At 01:50 PM 6/4/00 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Nina Silver, Ph.D." 
> >To: 
> >Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 11:51 AM
> >Subject: Re: CS>Silver Electrodes touching sides/bottom
> >
> >
> > >
> > > People,
> > > No one has yet answered WHY it is necessary to prevent the 
electrodes from

> > > touching the sides or the bottom. To reiterate, My electrodes touch the
> > > sides of the pyrex glass container in which I make my CS, and the 
silver

> > > comes out just fine.
> > >
> > > Nina
> >]
> >  There is, or should be no effect from electrodes touching the bottom 
of the

> >container as long as
> >  the container is glass or plastic and is non-conductive. With your pyrex
> >container, it is totally
> >  a non-issue!
> >
> >BillB
> > >
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Re: CS>PPM, Lyme

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 " Parts per million" brings up a somewhat misleading image.
 If you placed a dime [approximately one gram of silver] into a million 
cubic centimeters of water [one cubic centimeter or one milliliter of water 
weighs one gram]...you would have one PPM.  If that dime were ground up 
into a gazillion pieces, it would still be one PPM. The size and weight of 
any given 'part' is irrelevant.
 The term refers to a total relative weight relationship...not 
parts,  defined as 'pieces'.

 KD'C


At 08:39 PM 6/4/00 -0700, you wrote:



> Hi all.  2 questions.  One very basic...what does parts per million
actually
> mean?  And, for example, is 18 ppm smaller or larger particles of silver
than
> 5 for example?  Also, what do you think of 5 ppm for lyme?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Christy

Dear Christy, It means so many parts of silver per parts of distilled water;
18 PPM is 18 parts of silver to a million parts of water.
5 PPM in my opinion isn`t enough. You have to have enough to go all over the
body, nailing the nasty little bugs...
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Re: CS>purifying hot tubs & swimming pools

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 Apparently colloidal copper or zinc will work as well as silver for 
pool/hot tub. It's probably not a good idea to ingest a lot of copper or 
zinc, though traces of both are essential.  Many years ago I saw a floating 
solar powered pool ionizer on the market for about $300...long before I 
ever heard of colloidal silver. The ad didn't specify what ion.

 KD'C

At 08:51 AM 6/13/00 -0400, you wrote:

List,
What is the best combination and source of substances for purifying hot tubs
and swimming pools? I suspect a combination of ozone and colloidal silver
would be best, but I need:

1) amounts of ozone and CS,

2) a source of an INEXPENSIVE ozone unit, and

3) anything else you can think of that might work without synthetic
chemicals.

Thanks.
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Re: CS>Chemtrail update

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 Try carnival-con.com
oops, I mean carnicom.com

 Nice pics of perfectly normal contrails being touted as the threat of the 
day and no distinction between obvious misinformation and possible reality 
so far.

 KDC

At 02:01 PM 6/29/00 -0700, you wrote:

Hi Pamela,

carnicorn.com doesn't work for me.  Any ideas why?  Spelling correct?

Trem



At 03:25 PM 6/29/00 -0500, you wrote:

Marsha, take a visit to carnicorn.com




>Dear Marshall,
>The day before yesterday I was watching "Unsolved Mysteries" on Lifetime
>Channel and one segment was about a town in Washington getting some
>gelatinous goo dumped on it, making folks sick. Talk about weird! I didn`t
>see the segment when it first aired, so I don`t know how old it was. I
>wonder if the town has had anything happen since then?
>One of the citizens on the segment reported a lot of aircraft activity, and
>even black choppers.
> I wonder...
>Marsha
>PS, I printed out your post to show my sister, the ultimate disbeliever.
>Won`t even use CS...
>
>
>
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Re: CS>Colloidal Silver Ointment?

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 Why not just make some jello with CS.  It dries on the skin too.
 KD'C


At 10:33 PM 6/29/00 -0400, you wrote:

To all list members:
Has anyone ever made this ointment by Elixa and was successful with it's
healing abilities?  Does anyone recommend a better or easier way (moneywise)
to make another type of ointment.  I am asking this because I have a 6 year
old who always has lots of boo boos to have soothed quickly!

This is from the Elixa online catalog:

1) 16 oz mixing/storage jar, (4) 1/4 oz storage jars, (5) bags of polymer,
(1) dropper vial of triethanolamine, (1) wooden stir stick.
The kit contains enough ingredients to make 5 eight ounce batches of
Colloidal Silver Ointment.

To make CS Ointment, make 8 oz of Extra-strength Colloidal Silver by running
it through 2 or 3 complete cycles with the device. The solution should be
golden to dark brown in color.

Using a coffee filter or cloth, strain the solution into the mixing jar and
add 1 bag of polymer and stir well. Add 4 full droppers of triethanolamine
and stir for 1-2 minutes. The mixture will thicken and turn into a smooth
"golden" Colloidal Silver Ointment ready for use or storage.

Thanks,
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Re: CS>Chemtrail update OT

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  I did for about 2 years. Study up on the characteristics of steam and 
how it condenses in a turbulent atmosphere as produced by an airplane tail 
and relates to various temperatures and humidity. ALL of the photos on that 
site depict normal contrail formation.
 That's not to say that no one is getting sprayed, but widespread spraying 
at high altitude is the absolutely worst way to hit any sort of 
target,,,and VERY expensive.  There are all sorts of ways to target a 
population that far surpass "Chemtrails"   They'd be lucky to hit the 
desired state much less a desired population center. Have you any idea as 
to how HUGE this country is and how many billions of gallons of chemicals 
it would take to cover it indescriminately?
 As for the fibers and such, there are records of globs and fibers having 
fallen from the sky that go as far back as the 1700s.  Charles Fort wrote 
about them  in the 1800s. That's not from jets.  UFOs or those rod things 
maybe, but not jets.

 KD'C

At 11:35 PM 6/30/00 -0500, you wrote:

open your eyes


>  Try carnival-con.com
>oops, I mean carnicom.com
>
>  Nice pics of perfectly normal contrails being touted as the threat of the
>day and no distinction between obvious misinformation and possible reality
>so far.
>  KDC
>
>At 02:01 PM 6/29/00 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hi Pamela,
>>
>>carnicorn.com doesn't work for me.  Any ideas why?  Spelling correct?
>>
>>Trem
>>
>>
>>
>>At 03:25 PM 6/29/00 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>Marsha, take a visit to carnicorn.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> >Dear Marshall,
>>> >The day before yesterday I was watching "Unsolved Mysteries" on Lifetime
>>> >Channel and one segment was about a town in Washington getting some
>>> >gelatinous goo dumped on it, making folks sick. Talk about weird! I 
didn`t

>>> >see the segment when it first aired, so I don`t know how old it was. I
>>> >wonder if the town has had anything happen since then?
>>> >One of the citizens on the segment reported a lot of aircraft
>>>activity, and
>>> >even black choppers.
>>> > I wonder...
>>> >Marsha
>>> >PS, I printed out your post to show my sister, the ultimate disbeliever.
>>> >Won`t even use CS...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: CS>Chemtrail update OT

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  If this is true, why are all the photos at high altitude? Why no close 
ups where the spray can be seen coming out of actual nozzles instead of 
mere inferred nozzles. Eyes are easily lead to see what they want and fears 
want validation. The webmaster suggests spraying, then shows normal 
contrails as proof. Spray does not have an invisible gaseous phase. It 
comes out of sprayers as a mist..already in liquid form.
 Yes, there is low level spraying going on, both legit and probably some 
that is illigit and for many reasons. ..but that's not what the carnycon 
website shows.
All perceptions can be distorted by preconceived opinions and beliefs. Con 
men and propagandists "lead" belief formation, usually capitalizing on a 
persons fears. In added note, you and everyone have almost no original 
beliefs. Most of them were passed on to us and we don't often check them 
out to see if they make sense and tend to ignore that which invalidates.

KD'C

At 07:24 AM 7/1/00 -0500, you wrote:

They aren't spraying at high altitudes. That's the difference between
contrails and chemtrails. Chemtrails are sprayed below the altitude in
which contrails can form.

Diane

Ode Wan Coyote wrote:
>
>I did for about 2 years. Study up on the characteristics of steam and
> how it condenses in a turbulent atmosphere as produced by an airplane tail
> and relates to various temperatures and humidity. ALL of the photos on that
> site depict normal contrail formation.
>   That's not to say that no one is getting sprayed, but widespread spraying
> at high altitude is the absolutely worst way to hit any sort of
> target,,,and VERY expensive.  There are all sorts of ways to target a
> population that far surpass "Chemtrails"   They'd be lucky to hit the
> desired state much less a desired population center. Have you any idea as
> to how HUGE this country is and how many billions of gallons of chemicals
> it would take to cover it indescriminately?
>   As for the fibers and such, there are records of globs and fibers having
> fallen from the sky that go as far back as the 1700s.  Charles Fort wrote
> about them  in the 1800s. That's not from jets.  UFOs or those rod things
> maybe, but not jets.
>   KD'C
>
> At 11:35 PM 6/30/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >open your eyes
> >
> >
> > >  Try carnival-con.com
> > >oops, I mean carnicom.com
> > >
> > >  Nice pics of perfectly normal contrails being touted as the threat 
of the
> > >day and no distinction between obvious misinformation and possible 
reality

> > >so far.
> > >  KDC
> > >
> > >At 02:01 PM 6/29/00 -0700, you wrote:
> > >>Hi Pamela,
> > >>
> > >>carnicorn.com doesn't work for me.  Any ideas why?  Spelling correct?
> > >>
> > >>Trem
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>At 03:25 PM 6/29/00 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>
> > >>Marsha, take a visit to carnicorn.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> >Dear Marshall,
> > >>> >The day before yesterday I was watching "Unsolved Mysteries" on 
Lifetime

> > >>> >Channel and one segment was about a town in Washington getting some
> > >>> >gelatinous goo dumped on it, making folks sick. Talk about weird! I
> > didn`t
> > >>> >see the segment when it first aired, so I don`t know how old it 
was. I

> > >>> >wonder if the town has had anything happen since then?
> > >>> >One of the citizens on the segment reported a lot of aircraft
> > >>>activity, and
> > >>> >even black choppers.
> > >>> > I wonder...
> > >>> >Marsha
> > >>> >PS, I printed out your post to show my sister, the ultimate 
disbeliever.

> > >>> >Won`t even use CS...
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
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silver.

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Re: CS>Chemtrail update OT

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  Ever hear of temperature inversion where cold air stacks up on top of 
warm air ...smog ins? Did you check the weather and smog figures? By the 
way, it looks to me in the 9th pic that the plane flew through the cloud. 
If that cloud can form, so can another. The 12th pic looks like the 
contrail is above the cloud as seen through it.
 How did you determine range and altitude?  The human eyes have absolutely 
no stereoscopic range finding abilities at all past about 25 feet...but 
everyone will swear they do.
 How did you determine that they were the same planes? There's hundreds of 
them over every major city every day.   Multiple X patterns have been 
common since the 70s but few notice until they're brought to attention.

 Anyhow, this is off topic and I'm gonna quit now.
 KD'C

At 03:15 PM 7/1/00 -0400, you wrote:
The first time we experienced the chemtrails, we watched as about 6 planes 
flew
over the city at about 6,000 feet.  That is about 15,000 feet lower than 
contrails
can form.  It was a warm day, and we watched as they would get to the 
perimeter of
the city, turn off the spray, turn around and then when they came back in 
over the
city limits, turn the spray back on again.  We were wondering what they 
were doing,
but were not too concerned.  The sky was initially totally blue, but the 
trails
kept spreading instead of dissapating like a contrail would.  They all ran 
together
in the next 15 minutes until the whole sky was overcast.  My wife and 27 
year old
son were with me, and all 3 of us watched as this cloud slowly decended 
until there
was a fog a ground level.  At that point our noses, eyes, and skin begin 
burning.
My wife started choking and was almost unable to breath.  We rushed inside 
and took
2 or 3 consecutive baths before we could stop the burning.  It took days 
before my

wife could breath normally again. There is no way you can tell me that is
contrails.  They were too low, the weather was too warm at the altitude 
the plane
was at, the trails were coming off other places of the plane than the 
engines and
wing tips (in fact one plane had 2 trails, one off the left wing and one 
off the
middle rear), they did not dissapate but stuck around until they decended 
to ground

level, and they burned like hell.

Also before they would begin each run, they would paint a big X over the 
city, turn

off the spray then fill it in checkerboard pattern.

Here are some pictures we took of later times when they came back:

http://silver-lightning.com/trails/
http://silver-lightning.com/chemtrails/
http://silver-lightning.com/trails2/

Marshall


Ode Wan Coyote wrote:

>I did for about 2 years. Study up on the characteristics of steam and
> how it condenses in a turbulent atmosphere as produced by an airplane tail
> and relates to various temperatures and humidity. ALL of the photos on that
> site depict normal contrail formation.
>   That's not to say that no one is getting sprayed, but widespread spraying
> at high altitude is the absolutely worst way to hit any sort of
> target,,,and VERY expensive.  There are all sorts of ways to target a
> population that far surpass "Chemtrails"   They'd be lucky to hit the
> desired state much less a desired population center. Have you any idea as
> to how HUGE this country is and how many billions of gallons of chemicals
> it would take to cover it indescriminately?
>   As for the fibers and such, there are records of globs and fibers having
> fallen from the sky that go as far back as the 1700s.  Charles Fort wrote
> about them  in the 1800s. That's not from jets.  UFOs or those rod things
> maybe, but not jets.
>   KD'C
>
> At 11:35 PM 6/30/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >open your eyes
> >
> >
> > >  Try carnival-con.com
> > >oops, I mean carnicom.com
> > >
> > >  Nice pics of perfectly normal contrails being touted as the threat 
of the
> > >day and no distinction between obvious misinformation and possible 
reality

> > >so far.
> > >  KDC
> > >
> > >At 02:01 PM 6/29/00 -0700, you wrote:
> > >>Hi Pamela,
> > >>
> > >>carnicorn.com doesn't work for me.  Any ideas why?  Spelling correct?
> > >>
> > >>Trem
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>At 03:25 PM 6/29/00 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>
> > >>Marsha, take a visit to carnicorn.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> >Dear Marshall,
> > >>> >The day before yesterday I was watching "Unsolved Mysteries" on 
Lifetime

> > >>> >Channel and one segment was about a town in Washington getting some
> > >>> >gelatinous goo dumped on it, making f

Re: CS>Silver compounds

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  It is my belief, and I have nothing more than opinion based on gleaning 
all sorts of misleading rhetoric to substantiate it, that silver compounds 
are simply less effective than a pure silver colloid and may be much more 
prone to producing that "blue" effect.
 I wonder what is actually produced when colloidal silver hits the stomach 
acid. Silver chloride perhaps?
 Perhaps absorption before the CS hits the stomach provides most of the 
positive effects?

KD'C

At 03:47 AM 7/5/00 -0700, you wrote:

To the more research-oriented listers,
I have noticed that one of the assumptions all our
discussion seems to accept is that, if CS is made
with, say, spring water, the silver may form compounds
with the other substances in the water.

Now, I can accept that silver-chloride might form with
the chlorine in city water, but when I think of it, do
we have any hard info or research to substantiate our
caution regarding this and other compounds? Who says
silver-chloride is toxic? Has anyone demonstrated that
these compounds actually do form when making CS? It
seems simple enough; make CS in spring or river water,
test for the presence of silver-? compounds. Are these
compounds not detectable?

We believe that the spring water of 100 years ago had
more minerals in it, including silver (the soil had
more minerals in it); why would we not fear silver
compounds in that water?

A CS maker is believed to be an excellant water
purifier - take the suspected water, dip two silver
wires in it and apply the voltage; kills the bacteria
- but wouldn't that be essentially making CS out of
spring or river water? So now - according to this
reasoning - the bacteria are dead, but I'm poisoning
myself with toxic silver compounds.

Comments, anyone?
Terry Wayne

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Re: CS>New

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  While mechanical stirring does seem to get very good results, thermal 
stirring via convection currents helps a lot and is a lot simpler.
 Either preheat the water to 80 -100 degrees and let cool while running 
the generator, or start with room temp water and place it on a small heater 
such as a 4 watt night light bulb.
 Letting hot water cool while in process tends to give that light Tyndal 
Effect but limits the max concentration [with my auto off unit] to about 
8-9 PPM as read by a PPM meter.

 Check out
www.colloidal-silver.com
 and click on the merchants directory for a fairly complete list of 
generator makers.

 The only one I recommend against is the last...Utopia
 They are very proud of the brown sludge their generator makes for some 
reason.  They use  3 nine volt batteries, 2 silver rods and nothing else. I 
think they recommend using sea salt as well.   A no no.
 With their set up, there's also a possibility of getting some lead and 
tin into the mix as the wires have exposed solder on the ends. Not 
extremely likely, but possible.
 You can do something similar for a lot less.  You can make fairly good CS 
with such a unit but it takes a lot of care and experimentation.  I doubt 
you will be able to go stronger than 3 to 5 PPM without making yellow to 
brown colored CS.

 k...@czen

At 03:28 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote:

Okay. What is the Tyndall effect? All I could find is that Tyndall(John)
was an Irish physicist. Also, where might one purchase a mechanism for
stirring?



>Is it John?
>
>Stirring really helps distribute the ionic cloud away from the anode as the
>atoms are being released during production.  If you can get them disbursed
>in the water with stirring, they tend not to agglomerate.  It makes a much
>better product.  It will be crystal clear with no color if you keep it
>under 15-20 PPM.  Will also have a minimal Tyndall effect.
>
>Trem
>www.silvergen.com
>Constant Current Colloid Generators
>
>
>At 03:02 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
>>Is stirring necessary?
>>
>>
>>
>> >JO\ohn;
>> >
>> >Make your own genterator, all you need is a DC power source, a digital
>> >multimeter, stirring motor, and two pieces of #14 sliver .999 or 
better and

>> >some clip leads.
>> >
>> >Contact me off list and I can probvide more detailed info.
>> >
>> >"Ole Bob"
>> >
>> >
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Re: CS>New

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 F.E.A.R.
False Evidence Appearing Real




At 03:32 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote:


What's/where's FEAR?  What does that stand for?
Thanks,
John



On Sun, 09 Jul 2000 14:16:01 -0500 "Robert L. Berger"
 writes:
> John,
>
> FEAR
>
> "Ole Bob"
>
> John L Maurath wrote:
>
> > Really?  You can make your own?   Where do you buy the
> > kit?  Thanks.
> >
> > John


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Re: CS>trem..good job!

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 ## First, let me say that you have developed an exceptionally good 
generator.  You are on my links page and I will now have to update it.
[in light of the many things I've seen on this list, I need to update the 
whole darned thing]
 BTW, Trem  You may want to redo over your tech page so it will explain 
your new philosophy on stirring, color and Tyndal more accurately.


 Because of the set point I use, mine won't go much beyond 17PPM as per 
the meter by doing a reset procedure. I can set the initial point 
higher..but not with a switch. I haven't because of the 'iffyness' at the 
higher concentrations where the CS will stay clear most of the time but 
sometimes will turn pale yellow after a few days. [Has anyone figured out, 
specifically, why this happens sometimes and not always?]

 I use a spacing of 1 3/8 inches set parallel and whetted rod length of
3 inches on a 12 gauge rod along with a shut down set point of 6 volts. 
current set at .8 Ma...8 oz batches. If I bend the rod ends away from each 
other, the times and concentrations increase.
 Using preheated water [90-100 deg] without resetting, [1.5 hours average 
process time] I get a fairly consistent 8-9PPM, very clear with almost no 
Tyndal.
 Using cool water [70-75 deg] heating, I get a consistent 10-11 PPM , 
clear, with a fairly heavy Tyndal. [1.5  hours ave]
 Using cool water without heating, I get 10-11 PPM with a small black 
deposit formation on the bottom of the container..which makes a good case 
for gentle stirring either thermal or mechanical. Fairly heavy Tyndal [2 
hours ave]

 A hint folks:  Never use the electrodes to stir the water.

  We may  have different meters too, [Hanna DiST1] so the comparative 
numbers are up for question and my meter reads about a 3rd of what my lab 
reports say. What's the real scoop? I don't know.


 A heater is easily made by cutting a 1 inch hole in a can and placing it 
upside down on a night light.  I looks really cool too!  Hand stirring 
takes a bit of attention. Stirring devices are far more complicated for the 
home brewer. [Cudos to your new generator! I certainly don't disagree that 
mechanical stirring is the way to go..unless, perhaps ,using a rotating 
disc electrode]


 I tried the 1/4 inch x .013 inches silver ribbon but found it too flimsy 
to maintain a consistent  distance, difficult to clean without distorting 
and difficult to make easily replaceable or swapable with other metals. 
Also, because of edge discharge characteristics, the flat ribbon doesn't 
have an evenly distributed current density. Even round wire will tend to 
discharge more ions at the ends.
 But, in effect, flat ribbon may discharge somewhat faster because of all 
those edges. We both get about 3 PPM per hour?

 You don't get variations with water temperature?  Cold house vs warm house?

 Anyhow, Trem
 Good job!







At 07:02 PM 7/9/00 -0700, you wrote:

Hi List,

Not to argue with you Ken but our auto shutoff generator makes crystal 
clear CS up to 20-25 PPM as measured with a Hanna PWT using the mechanical 
stirring motor we have incorporated into our newest generator.  The CS 
does not get any color and has an almost imperceptible Tyndall 
effect.  And it's a lot easier than having to heat water or rig up some 
kind of thermal hot plate.  Most people aren't up for that.  Many 
experimenter types are but I think most people aren't.


And, cooling water that has been heated is really problematic.  What about 
people that live in cold or warm houses?  How hot is hot to start 
with.  How cool does it have to get before thermal currents cease to help, 
etc.  If we're looking for repeatability and ease of use, a motor with a 
constant stirring speed and a constant current regulator with auto shutoff 
is about as good as you can get with LVDC process.


Sorry to toot our own horn but that's how I see it.

Trem
www.silvergen.com
Constant Current Colloid Generators


At 09:44 PM 7/9/00 -0700, you wrote:
  While mechanical stirring does seem to get very good results, thermal 
stirring via convection currents helps a lot and is a lot simpler.
 Either preheat the water to 80 -100 degrees and let cool while running 
the generator, or start with room temp water and place it on a small 
heater such as a 4 watt night light bulb.
 Letting hot water cool while in process tends to give that light Tyndal 
Effect but limits the max concentration [with my auto off unit] to about 
8-9 PPM as read by a PPM meter.

 Check out
www.colloidal-silver.com
 and click on the merchants directory for a fairly complete list of 
generator makers.

 The only one I recommend against is the last...Utopia
 They are very proud of the brown sludge their generator makes for some 
reason.  They use  3 nine volt batteries, 2 silver rods and nothing 
else. I think they recommend using sea salt as well.   A no no.
 With their set up, there's also a possibility of getting some lead and 
tin into the mix as the wires have exposed solder on the ends. Not

Re: CS>New

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  LVDC= low voltage direct current usually between 9 and 26 volts
 HVDC = high voltage DC [100 to 2 volts]
HVAC= high voltage alternating current [100-20,000 volts]
Tyndal Effect= refraction of laser light off minute particles in suspension
 Ken

At 09:48 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote:


What is LVDC?
John



On Sun, 09 Jul 2000 19:02:51 -0700 Trem  writes:
> Hi List,
>
> Not to argue with you Ken but our auto shutoff generator makes
> crystal
> clear CS up to 20-25 PPM as measured with a Hanna PWT using the
> mechanical
> stirring motor we have incorporated into our newest generator.  The
> CS does
> not get any color and has an almost imperceptible Tyndall effect.
> And it's
> a lot easier than having to heat water or rig up some kind of
> thermal hot
> plate.  Most people aren't up for that.  Many experimenter types are
> but I
> think most people aren't.
>
> And, cooling water that has been heated is really problematic.  What
> about
> people that live in cold or warm houses?  How hot is hot to start
> with.  How cool does it have to get before thermal currents cease to
> help,
> etc.  If we're looking for repeatability and ease of use, a motor
> with a
> constant stirring speed and a constant current regulator with auto
> shutoff
> is about as good as you can get with LVDC process.
>
> Sorry to toot our own horn but that's how I see it.
>
> Trem
> www.silvergen.com
> Constant Current Colloid Generators
>
>
> At 09:44 PM 7/9/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >   While mechanical stirring does seem to get very good results,
> thermal
> > stirring via convection currents helps a lot and is a lot simpler.
> >  Either preheat the water to 80 -100 degrees and let cool while
> running
> > the generator, or start with room temp water and place it on a
> small
> > heater such as a 4 watt night light bulb.
> >  Letting hot water cool while in process tends to give that light
> Tyndal
> > Effect but limits the max concentration [with my auto off unit] to
> about
> > 8-9 PPM as read by a PPM meter.
> >  Check out
> >www.colloidal-silver.com
> >  and click on the merchants directory for a fairly complete list
> of
> > generator makers.
> >  The only one I recommend against is the last...Utopia
> >  They are very proud of the brown sludge their generator makes for
> some
> > reason.  They use  3 nine volt batteries, 2 silver rods and
> nothing else.
> > I think they recommend using sea salt as well.   A no no.
> >  With their set up, there's also a possibility of getting some
> lead and
> > tin into the mix as the wires have exposed solder on the ends. Not
>
> > extremely likely, but possible.
> >  You can do something similar for a lot less.  You can make fairly
> good
> > CS with such a unit but it takes a lot of care and
> experimentation.  I
> > doubt you will be able to go stronger than 3 to 5 PPM without
> making
> > yellow to brown colored CS.
> >  k...@czen
> >
> >At 03:28 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >>Okay. What is the Tyndall effect? All I could find is that
> Tyndall(John)
> >>was an Irish physicist. Also, where might one purchase a mechanism
> for
> >>stirring?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >Is it John?
> >> >
> >> >Stirring really helps distribute the ionic cloud away from the
> anode as the
> >> >atoms are being released during production.  If you can get them
> disbursed
> >> >in the water with stirring, they tend not to agglomerate.  It
> makes a much
> >> >better product.  It will be crystal clear with no color if you
> keep it
> >> >under 15-20 PPM.  Will also have a minimal Tyndall effect.
> >> >
> >> >Trem
> >> >www.silvergen.com
> >> >Constant Current Colloid Generators
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >At 03:02 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >>Is stirring necessary?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >JO\ohn;
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Make your own genterator, all you need is a DC power source,
> a digital
> >> >> >multimeter, stirring motor, and two pieces of #14 sliver .999
> or
> >> better and
> >> >> >some clip leads.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Contact me off list and I can probvide more detailed info.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Ole Bob"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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Re: CS>Silver toxicity

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 ##  I have a lot of fillings that previous to using CS, develop leaks 
periodically.  I'm thinking perhaps that the ionic silver I swish around 
after brushing not only sterilizes the mouth but also binds to the mercury 
in the tooth filling, stabilizes the mercury and hardens the filling as 
well as closing the leaks with something similar to silver plating.
 I have several "watch spots" which have not needed any care at all in 3 
years and zero plaque. [all since experimenting with CS] The dentist has 
twice expressed his surprise at being so unemployed.
A direct quote. "What are you doing differently?  You must be flossing 
every day and using that fluoride I gave you regularly"  [NOT!]

 Ken



At 11:20 AM 7/10/00 -0400, you wrote:
She has since changed her position.  In that book she recommends agains 
CS, but I

understand in later books she now supports it.

Marshall

Devnull wrote:

> I beleive Dr. Hulda Clark says that silver from fillings is bad in her 
book "The

> Cure for all Diseases" so I don't know.
>
> Katie Jay wrote:
>
> > I am just getting ready to use colloidal silver for Lyme. My doctor also
> > suggested I get rid of my mercury fillings. I am reading a book about
> > mercury toxicity now and wonder if I should be concerned about this
> > paragraph:
> >
> > "A new study directed by the Scripps Institutes' K. Michael Pollard 
...goes
> > one step further. Using a new, silver-based alloy which is being 
proposed as

> > a substitute filling material for mercury amalgam, Pollard showed that
> > silver also has the capacity to generate a strong pathological 
immune-system
> > response, and that silver, like mercury, migrates to body tissues 
within a
> > very short period of time. In short, both mercury and silver have a 
negative
> > impact on the immune system. In addition, their effect is intensified 
when

> > both metals are present."
> >
> > ---The Mercury in Your Mouth, Quicksilver Associates
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Katie
> >
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Re: CS>trem..good job!

[Ode Wan Coyote]

[snip]

 Because of the set point I use, mine won't go much beyond 17PPM as per 
the meter by doing a reset procedure.


This isn't clear to me.  Do you have a set point and that's it?  Or is it 
adjustable by the user?  I assume you're speaking of an external meter 
like the Hanna DiST1 to do the PPM measurement.   Correct?



I can set the initial point higher..but not with a switch.


What do you mean "but not with a switch"?  I don't get what you're saying 
here.


##  The set point is the reference voltage that tells the generator to shut 
down. It's determined by a zener diode that can be changed internally, but 
alas, no external switching.  It can be fooled into running longer by 
spreading the ends of the rods apart , however.



I haven't because of the 'iffyness' at the higher concentrations where 
the CS will stay clear most of the time but sometimes will turn pale 
yellow after a few days. [Has anyone figured out, specifically, why this 
happens sometimes and not always?]


I have seen it occasionally get a very pale yellow cast after some time 
when it reads over 20-25 PPM.  It usually stays clear however.


##  Same here. I think it has something to do with being stored cold.  I've 
never had anyone from Florida ask about this but several people in Utah and 
Wyoming have.  I almost never saw this here in NC until this winter.



We don't notice any deposits in the bottom.  However when the unit is 
lifted off the vessel after long runs the anode sometimes lets some fluff 
fall off, so we recommend folks filter with a coffee filter that has been 
pre-washed to help prevent agglomeration.  Using the filter could be a 
culprit in the occasional yellowing.  I suspect so, but would rather see 
clear CS than have anything be visible in the water.  If we filter and 
stay under 15 PPM, no agglomeration is ever seen.  I think stirring really 
does do the job


##  I've seen coffee filters turn reddish when left in sunlight.  It's 
quite possible that any contamiating particle could form a base form for 
crystalization. I understand that water will not crystalize unless there is 
some sort of particle for it to crystalize around.

 My [unproven] theory about the later yellowing:
 1]A high concentration of charged CS particle is produced.
2] If the storage temperature is less than the production temperature, the 
solution wants to compact...shrink? [whatever]
3] If the particles are not completely hydrated [by stirring etc] they have 
interfaces available to free oxygen which has a negative charge.
4] This negative charge neutralizes the positive charge of some of the 
unhydrated ions and allows them to bind to each other in varying amounts 
producing an agglomeration around an oxygen atom.  This effect seems to be 
worse when using fresh ozonated water and better when that water is either 
heated or allowed to vent for several days.
 I only get deposits when using cool water and no stirring.  They can get 
pretty thick with fresh ozonated water but diminish with that same batch of 
water if it is left loosely capped for several days.


 One thing that happens sometimes [concerning deposits] is noticable only 
when lighting a good clear container from the bottom [heater light]
 If deposits DO form on the bottom of the container, they can sometimes be 
seen to range from black under one rod to faint yellow under the other with 
brownish in between.  Another hard to see effect is the release of golden 
particles off one rod and what appears to be a white cloud off the 
other.  It would seem that nearly exactly in the middle between the rods 
that the golden cloud shifts to white.
 This , of course, cannot be seen if any sort of stirring is used...and 
may not happen at all. [Bottom light not used but turned on briefly to 
observe it almost immediately disrupts the effect]

 Would this be the "boundary layer"?
 This tells me that perhaps silver ions can make a crystal around an 
oxygen atom. The more oxygen atoms in the crystal, the deeper the color and 
the larger the crystal.  So, all observations are included. Particle size 
does relate to color AND various levels of oxidation. { Pardon if I don't 
use that term in a classic chemical sense}
 Now, if a conductance meter only measures ions,not metallic silver or 
silver oxides, the colored solution may contain much more total silver 
content than will be read by that meter.

 Whelp, that's the current mish mash of ideas.
 Ken



I have to thank Ole Bob for the efforts he expended doing the initial work 
with stirring.  I know Fred also stirs but I think it's with an aquarium 
pump, not a motor.


  We may  have different meters too, [Hanna DiST1] so the comparative 
numbers are up for question and my meter reads about a 3rd of what my 
lab reports say. What's the real scoop? I don't know.


We use the Hanna PWT.  It's range is 0-99.9 uS with 2 percent of full 
scale accuracy.  So it's only off by as much as 2 PPM.  And of course 
we're talking about m

Re: CS>? on generator quality

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  Pam
 I started this ball so I guess I'll roll it for a moment.
 The only reason I recommend against utopia is because I've seen photos of 
what they call the very best quality CS and it appears to me to be the very 
worst then go on to bring a 'good guy' image in by saying they only do this 
so that their children will have the best...and now..they can share their 
good fortune.
 Well maybe it's true and they don't have a clue. Heck, I even sent them 
suggestions and simple circuit diagrams to improve their quality..no response.

 Ken


At 01:13 AM 7/11/00 -0500, you wrote:

>The only one I recommend against is the last...Utopia

>You can make fairly good CS
>with such a unit but it takes a lot of care and experimentation.  I doubt
>you will be able to go stronger than 3 to 5 PPM without making yellow to
>brown colored CS.

What causes a particular CS maker to create brown sludge and not another?


##  Mostly 'runaway' [what Ivan said in another post] where the generator 
just accelerates out of control..because it has no controls at all..not 
even operator controls.
 Mind you, I don't know if brown CS is harmful, but I doubt it's as 
effective as a good clear CS or pale yellow.  Personally, if I happen to 
make some brown stuff while experimenting, I fill a drain with it. [yuck]



Or is that a myth? I have 2 CS makers(only tried one so far). I do get
brown, but that is when I leave it running too long and I was using sea
salt(and distilled water).


##  Somehow some people think sea salt is better than an additive free pure 
salt.  Think about how many heavy metals like mercury and chemicals are in 
sea water.  Salt is simply not necessary anyway and may form odd chemical 
combinations in your CS.



 I must have missed some crucial e-mails from the
list before I joined as I do not understand this. I don't want to start
anything here, but I sure would like a suggestion as to what is the best CS
maker(s) that people on this list have found(without bias and with
first-hand knowledge in relation to their experimentation, testing and and
final evaluation)---or has anyone purchased various makers and put them all
to the "test"? Is this a valid question and are there any correct answers
to this inquiry--or does it just not matter? From what I have read from
certain e-mails that have implied that the quality varies from generator to
generator---I just wonder if there is a significant difference.


##  Yes there is a big difference.
 "Voltage controlled/regulated/limited is BS...pure sales gimmick in a 
battery operated generator. Any battery is automatically voltage 
controlled, limited to it's rated output. That requires nothing extra at all.
"Current limited is a bit better but usually just prevents the generator 
from melting down if you short the rods together and does nothing at all 
for the CS process itself.  This is done with a small light bulb or 
resistor. It will still 'runaway'
 "Current controlled" is a very good step and requires some know how to 
produce.  IMO, these are the best and most fail safe, make the best CS with 
the most consistent smallest particles...AND prevents damage to the generator.
 Stirring technique is a new thing on the scene and we're still hashing 
out exactly why it makes such a big difference.  It seems to play a big 
part in even uncontrolled generators making very good CS as well as 
improving the performance of the more sophisticated ones too.

 The rest is basically bells and whistles for your convenience.

 The three I like best [and there are others that slip my mind right now] 
are Trems which he recently plugged, The new 777 at wishgranted.com and of 
course mine at silverpuppy.com.
 Of the bunch, Trems seems to have the edge with his new stirring device, 
wishgranted has more bells and whistles than mine but mine is the cheapest 
and does a darned good job and turns itself off when it's done like the 
others do but only has one setting. [You don't need a radio to drive] All 
are current controlled to 1 milliamp or less. All make the best CS for low 
voltage DC generators. Mine will run on many power sources besides the wall 
plug.  Maybe Trems will too. I don't think the 777 will.
 Some people swear by High voltage generators and there are some good ones 
out there. I believe they are current controlled as well...and they are 
pretty pricey too. [Mostly geared for commercial production?]




Also, is there such a thing as a CS solution that does not lose its potency
over time? Does this vary from generator to generator? Or is that what
certain individuals on this list is trying to determine?


 ## Yes to all of the above.
 I'll hazard a guess that brown CS ain't "it" and nearly everyone on this 
list will agree?

 Ken



These are just some thoughts and questions off the top of my head--sorry if
I missed something and these questions are all redundant.

Pam



>   While mechanical stirring does seem to get very good results, thermal
>stirring via convection 

Re: CS>effect of distillation on PPM?

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  ##  I think we have determined that particles agglomerate during storage 
as well.

Ken

At 01:42 AM 7/12/00 -0500, you wrote:

http://www.quackwatch.com/index.html

- Original Message -
From: Arnold Beland 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: CS>effect of distillation on PPM?


> You see where I am going with this;
>
> 1.  A higher PPM without an increase in particle size is a worthwhile
> objective.
>
> 2.  The mechanism  involved in the agglomeration of smaller particles into
> larger is operating during generation.
>
> 3.  Evan if we accept that an increasing yellow coloration and tyndall
> effect indicates increased particle size, an experiment on this basis
would
> be anecdotal at best.
>
> Do you have the necessary equipment?
>
> Marshall wrote:
>
> > When making the CS we have found that once you get to a certain ppm, 10
or
> so,
> > that the number of paticles do not increase with concentration, but the
> size of
> > the particles do.  Using this technique, you may find a similar limit,
or
> may
> > not.  One would need to do some testing to be sure.
> >
> > Marshall
> >
> > Arnold Beland wrote:
> >
> > > This being the case and starting with very pure water, could we not
use
> the
> > > process for making a concentrated form of CS?
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Marshall Dudley 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 7:03 PM
> > > Subject: Re: CS>effect of distillation on PPM?
> > >
> > > > 10 ppm.
> > > >
> > > > Marshall
> > > >
> > > > Arnold Beland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > If I start with let us say 5PPM and distill off (evaporate?) 50%
of
> the
> > > CS,
> > > > > what will be the PPM of the remainder?
> > > > >
> > > > > Best Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Arnold
> > > > >
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Re: CS>Teeth are Staining with my CS

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  Don't use brown CS.
 Ken

At 04:21 PM 7/12/00 -0600, you wrote:

Group--How do you keep the brown from the CS off your teeth, especially
if you are swishing or holding it in your mouth?

Hope


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Re: CS>? on generator quality

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  ##  I'd have to know more about your generator to give you really 
specific answers but in general.
 It takes a fairly long time for CS to build up in distilled water.  To 
hasten the process, add a couple of tablespoons of the batch you just made 
to your next batch to jump start it. Using plain distilled water can take a 
couple of hours, maybe even as many as 5 depending on electrode spacing, 
electrode length, voltage and current output, water temperature and size of 
the container/batch.
 If you shine a strong flashlight in a dark room onto the electrodes, you 
shall see a faint white mist dissipating off one of the electrodes.  It's 
working. It could take as long as an hour before this can be seen or just a 
few minutes.

 A laser pointer can be used to see a Tyndal effect.
 If you get bubbles forming, a grey deposit on one rod and/or a black 
deposit on the other, it has been working.
 Some people can't taste CS I suppose.  I usually can if my taste buds 
aren't coated with a dairy product and I swish the cs around for a bit.
 If the CS is really fine, it'll have a faint metallic flavor. If it's a 
bit courser, a fairly strong metallic flavor.


 I find that with water over 100 deg, I get agglomeration more often and 
the CS is more likely to turn yellow after a few days.  Your setup may 
react differently. Try it.

 Ken

At 01:07 AM 7/13/00 -0500, you wrote:

Thank you so much for your response.

I made a new batch of CS yesterday as I became ill---well, with vertigo.
The CS solution I made was the first I since getting on this list--thus,
the first solution I've made without salt(or even this year for that
matter). Just one problem:  when I used salt(in the past), I saw an
immediate release from one of the wires(a light gray in color) and in time
the entire solution would become gray. That indicated to me to stop
processing for to go any further the solution would turn brown.  Without
the salt there was no color this time--even after an hour or more(should
have paid attention to the timing--and temperature). I wondered if the
generator was working, but it was. I see it is suggested to have the
temperature between 80-100. I just heated the water up and went for it as I
knew I needed the solution right away. I drank some of the solution after
15 min. and again after 1/2 hr. I had to leave, but when I got home I drank
more of the solution after 1 hr. of processing. Actually, the vertigo was
gone after an hour had past from the first drink. Coincidence?--I don't
know. Interesting, today I became ill after eating(pretty sure it was
unrelated to the other day). Anyway, shortly after drinking the CS, my
symptoms were gone--totally. This is one way to find out if my batch was
any good--though it was clear(now I understand that it is okay and
preferred for solution to be clear--correct?).

What is my question now? I have 2 questions:

1. Does it matter if the water temperature is over 100 degrees?

2. How long should I run my generator to be sure I have a fairly potent batch?

I want to mention that after an hour or thereabout I checked the solution
and there was a dark brown to gray--I'd have to say it appeared
slimy--residue attached at the end of one of the wires. What was that and
what causes it--and is this a dtermining point at which I should decide to
turn off the generator?

PG





>   Pam
>  I started this ball so I guess I'll roll it for a moment.
>  The only reason I recommend against utopia is because I've seen photos of
>what they call the very best quality CS and it appears to me to be the very
>worst then go on to bring a 'good guy' image in by saying they only do this
>so that their children will have the best...and now..they can share their
>good fortune.
>  Well maybe it's true and they don't have a clue. Heck, I even sent them
>suggestions and simple circuit diagrams to improve their quality..no 
response.

>  Ken
>
>
>At 01:13 AM 7/11/00 -0500, you wrote:
>> >The only one I recommend against is the last...Utopia
>>
>> >You can make fairly good CS
>> >with such a unit but it takes a lot of care and experimentation.  I doubt
>> >you will be able to go stronger than 3 to 5 PPM without making yellow to
>> >brown colored CS.
>>
>>What causes a particular CS maker to create brown sludge and not another?
>
>##  Mostly 'runaway' [what Ivan said in another post] where the generator
>just accelerates out of control..because it has no controls at all..not
>even operator controls.
>  Mind you, I don't know if brown CS is harmful, but I doubt it's as
>effective as a good clear CS or pale yellow.  Personally, if I happen to
>make some brown stuff while experimenting, I fill a drain with it. [yuck]
>
>>Or is that a myth? I have 2 CS makers(only tried one so far). I do get
>>brown, but that is when I leave it running too long and I was using sea
>>salt(and distilled water).
>
>##  Somehow some people think sea salt is better than an additive free pure
>salt.  Think about how many heavy metals like 

Re: CS>? on generator quality

[Ode Wan Coyote]

At 02:58 PM 7/13/00 -0500, you wrote:

> Using plain distilled water can take a couple of hours, maybe even as
>many as 5 depending on electrode spacing, electrode length, voltage and
>current output, water temperature and size of the container/batch

To achieve what? There seems to be a difference in opinion as to what ppm
the solution should contain. What do you aim for?


##  It seems to not be all that important. 5 PPM is effective and under 
12PPM is usually stable. [That figure can be higher]  If you don't have 
very good equipment to measure and moniter it, the PPM will vary.  You 
can't overdose with any reasonable quantity and so little is needed that 
underdosing is unlikely as well so , why worry?
 This is a perfect situation for one to trust their intuition.  You can't 
lose.




>To hasten the process, add a couple of tablespoons of the batch you just
>made to your next batch to jump start it

This is good to know. Thanks! Does it matter how old that jump starter is?


### If it's good enough that you'd consume it, it's good enough to make 
something that you would consume.  Everyone has their own quality boundaries.




>If the CS is really fine, it'll have a faint metallic flavor. If it's a
>bit courser, a fairly strong metallic flavor.

Yes, it did have that flavor. Ya hoo, success! Of course I knew I had
success when the illness was gone within 5-10 minutes after drinking the
solution(probably had a bad bottle of ketchup---should have listened to
that "inner voice" that said "this ketchup is too old and you will get
sick"---actually, I am glad I ate it and found out that CS can work so
quickly on ?salmonella)

>>  I find that with water over 100 deg, I get agglomeration more

Thanks. This is what I wanted to know.


 ##You're welcome
 Ken



In Search of the Miracle Cure,
Pam






>   ##  I'd have to know more about your generator to give you really
>specific answers but in general.
>  It takes a fairly long time for CS to build up in distilled water.  To
>hasten the process, add a couple of tablespoons of the batch you just made
>to your next batch to jump start it. Using plain distilled water can take
>a couple of hours, maybe even as many as 5 depending on electrode spacing,
>electrode length, voltage and current output, water temperature and size
>of the container/batch.
>  If you shine a strong flashlight in a dark room onto the electrodes, you
>shall see a faint white mist dissipating off one of the electrodes.  It's
>working. It could take as long as an hour before this can be seen or just
>a few minutes.
>  A laser pointer can be used to see a Tyndal effect.
>  If you get bubbles forming, a grey deposit on one rod and/or a black
>deposit on the other, it has been working.
>  Some people can't taste CS I suppose.  I usually can if my taste buds
>aren't coated with a dairy product and I swish the cs around for a bit.
>  If the CS is really fine, it'll have a faint metallic flavor. If it's a
>bit courser, a fairly strong metallic flavor.
>
>  I find that with water over 100 deg, I get agglomeration more often and
>the CS is more likely to turn yellow after a few days.  Your setup may
>react differently. Try it.
>  Ken
>
> At 01:07 AM 7/13/00 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>Thank you so much for your response.
>
> I made a new batch of CS yesterday as I became ill---well, with vertigo.
> The CS solution I made was the first I since getting on this list--thus,
> the first solution I've made without salt(or even this year for  that
> matter). Just one problem:  when I used salt(in the past), I saw an
> immediate release from one of the wires(a light gray in color) and in time
> the entire solution would become gray. That indicated to me to stop
> processing for to go any further the solution would turn brown.  Without
> the salt there was no color this time--even after an hour or more(should
> have paid attention to the timing--and temperature). I wondered if the
> generator was working, but it was. I see it is suggested to have  the
> temperature between 80-100. I just heated the water up and went for it as I
> knew I needed the solution right away. I drank some of the solution after
> 15 min. and again after 1/2 hr. I had to leave, but when I got home I drank
> more of the solution after 1 hr. of processing. Actually, the vertigo was
> gone after an hour had past from the first drink. Coincidence?--I don't
> know. Interesting, today I became ill after eating(pretty sure it was
> unrelated to the other day). Anyway, shortly after drinking the CS, my
> symptoms were gone--totally. This is one way to find out if my batch was
> any good--though it was clear(now I understand that it is okay and
> preferred for solution to be clear--correct?).
>
> What is my question now? I have 2 questions:
>
> 1. Does it matter if the water temperature is over 100 degrees?
>
> 2. How long should I run my generator to be sure I have a fairly potent
>batch?
>
> I want to mention that after an hour or thereabout I c

Re: CS>an air circulating CS invention anyone?

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  ##  A humidifier would probably work but if CS leaves a black deposit 
after the water is removed, you might wind up with a sterile black room.

comments?
 ken

At 09:57 AM 7/14/00 -0400, you wrote:

In a message dated 7/13/00 7:52:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
pjgr...@northnet.org writes:

<< It is strange, but every now and then an e-mail I send to this list never
 makes it. Oh well, must be something I did as it was not a hot topic to
 have confiscated by the "you know who's".

 Now, I will try again. In my cellar I have a mold and fungus problem. I
 have been thinking of waays in which I might be able to rid this problem.
 I've thought of taking a hose and attaching a container of clorox and
 spraying everything, but I am sensitive tot hose fumes. I have also
 considered using an ozone generator to kill off the molds, but I would lso
 be breathing this toxin in as well. I've thought of replacing CS for the
 clorox in the hose, but I really don't want to gett everything wet, besides
 moisture is part of the problem anyway. I am now thinking of a humidifier
 using CS, but again--it's more moisture and my dehumidifier runs constantly
 as it is---and would a humidifier really get CS all through the air? What
 about putting the humidifier into the furmnace(next to the blower?--a
 friend told me he puts his ionizer in that spot?). What I am really hoping
 for is to spark the genius in you electrical engineers for a whole new
 invention for getting CS through the air. Anyone up for the challenge?

 Pam
  >>
The only way I can see you using the CS is by direct application to the
surfaces. It would have a better result because of the residual effect than
hydrogen peroxide like I have used. That is quickly lost with it. But I see
no way to really get what you want by only trying to do this through
atomization.

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Re: CS>Away too long

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  An op amp/ voltage comparator with a zener diode feedback loop from the 
output, isolated from the input by a capacitor works just fine.  The zener 
value determines the 'set' point for the auto shut down. Get an op amp that 
will handle the voltage. An o-82 goes up to 36 volts. Radio shack sells 
em.  Most others are rated between 6 and 18 volts and will burn out.
 It takes hours to hand wire the setup which must include current 
regulation in order to function.

 ken

At 11:59 PM 7/16/00 +1200, you wrote:

Maybe a voltage (or current) comparator opamp with a fet switch?
If any one nuts one out, please let me know.

Ivan.

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From: "Robert L. Berger" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2000 06:14
Subject: Re: CS>Away too long


> Hi Erwin;
>
> I haven't found out how to program a relay with a selectable window
for shut-off.
>
> Given me a schematic and I will paly with it.
>
> No doctor just a crotchy old guy'
>
> "Ole Bob"



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Re: CS>for the eyes?

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  ## sorry , not reliable at all.  My tap water has a good strong Tyndal 
Effect.
 On top of that, some commercial CS is not electro-colloidal at all but 
produced by chemical processes by the 55 gallon drum.

 ken


At 11:21 PM 7/19/00 -0400, you wrote:

Well, one can always check the tyndall with a laser pointer.  Fake CS is
usually water with a little yellow food coloring, and will give no tyndall at
all.  If you get tyndall, you have a colloid of something.

Marshall

Quiksassy wrote:

> But how I can be absolutely sure that it is CS? Buy it from a reputable
> source?  I'm new to this and don't know who they are.  Any help on this is
> appreciate.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Robert L. Berger 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 11:36 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>for the eyes?
>
> > Come on, CS kills bacteria!  That is why we make it.
> >
> > "Ole Bob"
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Re: CS>intro and question

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  Dear Carla
 I ship to Canada regularly.  There are no customs hassles, only a form to 
fill out.  I charge $5 extra per order for the increase in shipping and 
paperwork.  I'm pretty sure that most generator makers do likewise or similar.

 So, take your pick and order where you will.
 IMO, these are the best current controlled generators available.
 I invite any to add to this list.
 Ken
 silverpuppy.com
wishgranted.com
silvergen.com


At 11:18 AM 7/20/00 -0700, you wrote:

Hi everyone,

My name is Carla and I live in Prince George, BC. I have started to become
very interested in CS and am enjoying lurking on the list. My main interest
stems from a 10 year battle with Candida. Not much else has worked, so I am
giving CS a try. However, a bottle of CS costs about $40 here, so I would
like to buy a generator and make my own (and then be able to share with my
animals too!). Given all the hassels with customs, I would prefer to buy
canadian. So to all those Canucks out there, any suggestions on which
product and who? I know that SOTA is in Vancouver, but I did see some
discussion about the Jaguar unit. I'm sure that this has been coverd
extensively, but if members could email me privately about their machines
and their recommendations of types, it would be greatly appreciated. I
would really like to but the best product I can.

many thanks,

carla


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Re: CS>RE: OT Ozone air filters

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  ##  It is pretty well known that ozone is a highly corrosive 
substance.  In fact, it will eat the rubber off appliance cords and car 
tires in very low concentrations.  It may be an extremely potent free 
radical in the body systems.  There's no question that in sufficient 
concentration that ozone will destroy lung tissue in no time flat.
 It kills bacteria instantly as it will kill nearly anything 
instantly.  That's why water distillers treat their water with it.  It is 
also very unstable, so, once it has reacted with something, [and it will 
react with nearly anything] it becomes harmless oxygen.

 Ken

At 11:21 AM 7/20/00 -0700, you wrote:



> I have an off-topic question for those of you in the know: Can Ozone hurt
> you in any way? I have an Alpine air cleaner that produces negative ions
> (thus sending attached dust particles to the floor to be cleaned up) but
it
> also produces a very robust amount of ozone when the generator plate is
> in/activated. My husband gets extremely nauseous when he encounters the
> ozone, so I only use it for odor control when he's not around. How is this
> able to affect him & is it harmful in any way? Why would someone have that
> kind of reaction to it? Can you be alergic to it? I'm absolutely not
> affected by it & in fact, I rather like the smell. Reminds me of a rainy
> day.
>
> Thanks!
> Heather King

Dear Heather, I have one too. It is collecting dust in the spare room, as I
don`t like the smell either. The folks who sell them say that ozone isn`t a
health hazard, but that when we have a "High Ozone Day" it is because it is
easier to measure the ozone than the other, noxious pollutants. When they go
up so does the ozone. I hope they are right, but I don`t know where to find
out.
Marsha


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Re: CS>for the eyes?

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 Of course it has suspended solids,all sort of minerals. That water comes 
straight from the aquifer. [well water]
 What is being said is that having a Tyndal Effect is no indication of 
what's causing it, so, it's not a test for the presence of silver. It is a 
test for the presence of nearly anything that can be suspended in water.

 ken

At 11:13 AM 7/21/00 -0400, you wrote:

Ode Wan Coyote wrote:

>## sorry , not reliable at all.  My tap water has a good strong Tyndal
> Effect.

I wouldn't drink it.  Are you allowing time for the bubbles to settle 
out?  Tap

water should have NO tyndall, since it indicates suspended solids.

Marshall


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Re: CS>Redundant Question

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 ##  My take on the argryia question is that it's very rare even when 
using silver compounds [like 1 in a 1000?] If I'm not mistaken, all the 
testing done was on current cases of argyria. They did not attempt to 
induce the condition in anyone. What they didn't say was how many 
candidates for the condition [those that used silver compounds in high 
doses for a long time] DIDN'T develop the condition.  They were unable to 
induce argryia in dog studies even with near fatal doses.


 It seems to me that when any metal is exposed to acid, it forms a salt. 
[comments?]  What happens when CS hits the strong acids in the stomach?

 A good argument for keeping it in the mouth area for a while?

 Frankly, the amount of silver ingested with electro colloidal silver is 
so low that you'll have to drink it by the gallon every day for many years 
to even get close to the dosages mentioned in the studies...salts or no.

 Ken

At 10:10 PM 7/21/00 +0100, you wrote:

Hi Tim

It is unlikely that you will find 'proof' that CS does NOT cause argyria,
as the few documented cases of argyria were usually the results of
_long-term_ abuse of silver containing compounds. We will all have to wait
thirty years or more for an overwhelming weight of anecdotal reports to
amass to feel _certain_ that CS use will not result in argyria. In the
meantime, for those of us users who want reassurance about the 'risk' we
expose ourselves to, a 'level-headed' appraisal of the toxicology of silver
(including CS) can be found here:

http://www.clspress.com/tox.html

Disclaimer: I have not read the entire publication from which this is an
extract. I cannot vouch for the validity or accuracy of the information
contained therein. Suffice to say that in my personal opinion, there is
sufficient argument proposed in the extract to satisfy my own doubts about
the safety of my own CS use.



On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:51:06 -0400, "Tim Eastman"  wrote:

>I know all the "how come's" but could someone please pass along some
>documentable reasonings as to why CS does NOT produce Argyria or at least
>point me to some medical level "White Papers" on the internet. I know some
>of you are testors and quality control gurus in our CS discussions - feel
>free to step in. Yes I know we've gone over it and over it. But a
>non-propagandish report would be in order and I'd just pass it along.



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Re: CS

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  A nasal spryer sometimes doesn't flood the sinus cavities well.  Try this:
 Lay on a couch upside down with legs over the top and head hanging off 
the edge.  Take an eyedropper or even a spoon and pour CS down the upturned 
nose. Stay in that position for 6 to 10 minutes. This will flood the 
sinuses all the way to the tear ducts and may make your eyes burn a little.

 Ken

At 11:30 AM 7/22/00 -0700, you wrote:



> Hi, I am currently taking 4 T of CS 3 times a day but it has done nothing
for
> me, so see from the list that i will have to increase it.  I have chronic
> sinus problems and am in the ENT's office at least once a month for more
> antibiotics and a  medrol pack ever 3 months.  Have been taking the CS for
at
> least 3 months.  Use the CS in a spray bottle for the nose and nothing has
> changed and think I will try the super doses of CS that have been
mentioned
> here and see if it helps.
>
> Another thing that I fine interesting is I am getting IV chelation twice a
> week and there is a man there that can hardly walk and he looks to be in
his
> late forties that has been diagnosed with Lou G. disease and he has been
> everywhere looking for help and now is getting the IV chelation and also
he
> gets the hydrogen peroxide drip and he said he was told he had a  high
level
> of silver which was causing his problem.  I didn't mention that I was
taking
> CS.  Of course he has been to a lot of Drs. and has been told a lot of
> different things.  Feel like he is being steered wrong.  Does anyone know
of
> anything for Lou G  Disease?
>
> Thanks, Mary

Dear Mary,
Is the CS store bought, or home made? Some store bought stuff is nothing
more than water with yellow food coloring...
Marsha


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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #539

[Ode Wan Coyote]

##  CS has been around since the 70s and before with a few incautious 
people drinking quarts.  In searching over 2000 web pages and considering 
that people just love to complain, I have yet to find even one person who 
claimed to have turned any color for any reason as a result of taking 
"electro-colloidal silver" [except Rosemary who doesn't specify what she 
took at what dose or show any sort of documentation...yet she seems to show 
up on all sorts of search engines and we with web sites all know how much 
effort it takes to get search engines to find us] even if they were tie 
dying T shirts for a living...not even one.

 Who are these people and what did they do?
 Ken

At 07:26 PM 7/23/00 -0400, you wrote:

In a message dated 7/23/00 3:37:09 PM EST, mike...@worldnet.att.net writes:

  I know people who have had the silver, yes colloidal silver,
 change the color of their skin.


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Re: CS Generator--rec. needed.

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 ##  Try
www.colloidal-silver.com

click the merchants list for a big selection of generator makers.

[especially "CZen"  aka silverpuppy.com, cause that's me] ;-)
I think silvergen.com and wishgranted.com is there too.  [Both very very good]
 ken

At 04:44 PM 7/26/00 -0400, you wrote:

I am new to the list and am looking to purchase a CS maker.  I will be living
in the Caribbean for 2 years, if that makes a difference.  Portability and an
auto-shut off feature necessary.  Any suggestions?

Thanks.

John DeLuca


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Re: CS and the meat you eat

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  If if just use bare wires on the end of an extension cord plugged into 
opposite ends of the chicken [or whatever]  not only will it electrocute 
the worms but it'll do a nice job of cooking the chicken. BTW, don't pick 
it up until you unplug it, that is, if you don't care for dancing wildly.

 From the road kill cookbook?
 Ken

At 08:25 PM 7/28/00 -0500, you wrote:

>>My primary concern for raw meat is trichinosis.  I don't think CS kills
>>worms.
>>

Oh heck, just stick a couple of electrodes into your meat and give it a
good zap. That should do.

>>"Philip I. Marie Sr." wrote:
>
>>> Interesting-ly enough, I just read a book by "Wayne Green" on the
>>>secrets to good health. It's 80 pages of neat info. His thoughts are, we
>>>were evolved on raw food and that's what the body is designed to handle.
>>>Cooked food is toxic.
>>>
>>> I like his thinking on this. He speaks of raw meat, how good it tastes,
>>>and how it passes through you quickly. Says you will have 3, loose, bowel
>>>movements a day on a raw food diet. Then says if your afraid of raw
>>>hamburger, *soak it in CS*.
>>
>
>
>>My primary concern for raw meat is trichinosis.  I don't think CS kills
>>worms.
>>
>>Marshall
>>
>
>
>
>Hi Marshal;
>
>I always thought it was limited to pork but looked it up.
>
>
>trichinosis (tr¾k1õ-nÅ2s¾s) n.
>
>A disease caused by eating undercooked meat, usually pork, that contains
>trichinae, which develop as adults in the intestines and as larvae in the
>muscles, causing intestinal disorders, fever, nausea, muscular pain, and
>edema of the face.
>---
>
>I know sushi is raw fish and a popular dish. Guess worms are a risk but as
>a kid I remeber eating raw hamburger and beef.
>
>Phil Sr.
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Re: CS>Electrode Surface Area

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  ##  Current density [where it relates to ion discharge]is not 
uniform.  Discharge tends toward the ends and edges..points and 
corners.  The round rods can be optimized by turning the ends somewhat away 
from each other increasing the distance at that point.
 Flat ribbons will sharpen into a "v" configuration over time due to the 
edges going full length and there being two points at the ends.  I don't 
know how to prevent that as the edges just are where they are.  Perhaps 
bending the ends apart a bit will help but bending them too far will form 
an hour glass and the ribbon will break in two eventually.

 Ken

At 11:30 PM 7/31/00 -0700, you wrote:

This is a good question. Even with large electrodes, I suspect that the
current density is not uniform. Has anyone addressed electrode design?

Jeff

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To: "C. SILVER" 
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 8:19 PM
Subject: CS>Electrode Surface Area


> Greetings Folks!
>
> As time has gone on, the subject of current density has come up
> now and then and several folks have mentioned what they thought
> was the appropriate maximum density for minimum silver size.
>
> I do not recall anyone mentioning whether they based current
> density on 100% of the wetted surface area of both electrodes
> or only the wetted surface areas facing each other.
>
> I tend to think that most of the current is "leaving" or "entering"
> the surfaces facing each other.
>
> Regards,
>
> David



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Re: CS>Zappers?

[Ode Wan Coyote]

##  Have you tried using a conductive water solution on , say, felt or 
cotton pads?


 Ken






> I've been zapping for 30minutes, 2x per day, for the last three days.
> I've been using dimes for electrodes, taped to my anckles, and I get a
> few small burn marks from them. Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> Is this a good thing to combine with CS?
>
> Thank you,
> Jeff
>
>
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Re: CS>drinking water question

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  ##  I mix it in with the cats breakfast of "stinky food" [canned] so 
they consume it right away.

 ken

At 04:00 PM 8/1/00 -0700, you wrote:

Hi,

I am new to using CS, but I read about the benefits of adding CS to
our/animal's drinking water. However, when I added some to my cat's water
bowl, I noticed that after a few hours, the water developed a dark grey
tinge and film. I imagine this is because the CS reacted with some metals
in the water (we are on a well). I threw it out, since I didn't think it
was safe. Does this mean that I can't add CS to our water? If this is the
case, how do you use CS to purify water if you need to drink something that
you are unsure of?

thanks,

Carla


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Re: CS>More truth

[Ode Wan Coyote]

" I stilt my fantasies to reflect the evidence and spin the evidence to 
support my fantasies, therefore, I believe what I want to believe...I, 
therefore, 'see what I want'. If I don't like what I see, what 'I want' is 
up for examination, because my fantasies are facts supported by evidence.


 Any viewpoint can be confirmed, and belief validated to the satisfaction 
of the believer by the very nature of belief.


The purpose of examining vision is to discover 'how' you see, not what you 
see. The result of the examination reveals that sight is very nearly 
totally blinding and 'what' is seen is quite worthy of doubt. It is but a 
symbol of highly variable opinions 'held' as reality, focused upon to the 
exclusion of all else for a 'sense' of security and stability, done in 
order to validate that that sense is needed and senses themselves can be 
reliable when no two people EVER see the same thing the same way.


 What is seen is what has been willed to see and rarely what is really 
there...if ever.

..and that's just another opinion.
Not very seriously yours,
KD'C



At 04:24 PM 8/6/00 -0400, you wrote:
On 8/2/00, Kent Hovind spoke on the Art Bell show.  "Dr. Hovind is 
considered by many to be one of the foremost authorities on "Science and 
the Bible". He is dedicated to the proclamation of scientific evidence 
supporting the biblical record of creation and the history of the world."


You can hear this program 
at  http://www.artbell.com/topics.html


Just click on the windows icon by the date 8/01/00.

The "contradictions" in the Bible are discussed here and at his web 
site:  www.drdino.com


Just thought this might be of interest to some people on this list.

Sometimes we can be so busy looking under every stone (CS, zappers, herbs, 
etc.) for our needs that we forget to look to the Rock.


Maureen

Re: CS>More truth

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  Just a statement of fact that we're almost always confused, make 
conclusions upon insufficient evidence , from them into rigid belief 
systems designed to make ourselves feel more secure and defend them with 
our very 'lives' and the lives of others.
We just can't stand to acknowledge that some things are unknowable with 
our  limited senses and not understandable with our idea that the brain is 
the only source of thought available.
 The senses are limiting devices more tuned to NOT sensing, the brain, a 
filter to limit thought.  All this in order to focus ourselves into the 
third dimension enough to believe it really exists...enough to think that's 
all there is...and believe that fantasy enough to kill each other over it. 
[And believe that it's possible to die, when really, you're just breaking 
out of a fantasy of space time limitation..disillusioned, so to speak]
 The you that you presently know is but a billionth of the you that  you 
really are.

 The senses are designed [by you] to fool you and they do it well.
 Ken

At 09:18 AM 8/7/00 -0400, you wrote:

Hi, Ken,
This quote reminds me of those confused B. C. days:::smile.

In a message dated 08/07/2000 7:36:00 Central Daylight Time,
coy...@alltel.net writes:
<<
 " I stilt my fantasies to reflect the evidence and spin the evidence to
 support my fantasies, therefore, I believe what I want to believe...I,
 therefore, 'see what I want'. If I don't like what I see, what 'I want' is
 up for examination, because my fantasies are facts supported by evidence.
  >>


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Re: CS>More truth

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  Evolution and creation theories are not in conflict.  Most have just not 
seen where the theories converge. The whole story is much bigger than we 
know.


The perceived existence of matter itself located in a space for a duration 
of time is but a point of view...a commonly held scientifically disprovable 
opinion.

 The brain is in the mind.
 KD'C

At 03:08 PM 8/7/00 -0400, you wrote:

Hi fellow listers,

I'm glad I'm in the company of those who like to research and discover
things on their own, instead of taking everything the anointed medical
establishment says as the final word. We like to share with each other,
and, at times, we like to challange each other.

KD'C wrote:
Any viewpoint can be confirmed, and belief validated to the satisfaction
of the believer by the very nature of belief.

True.

None of us were there when life began, so we all take it on faith.

You may believe in the Biblical account or you may believe in the theory
of evolution.  It's a matter of faith.

Most of us have been bombarded with evolutionary propaganda in the
schools, in the media, and in our public parks and museums.  What we
really know of the other - the politically uncorrect view?  Were you
told that creation science is religion and evolution is science? Did you
know that many scientists believe in creation for scientific reasons.
Don't swallow everything the "powers-that-be" have worked so hard to
condition you to believe.  Check it out for yourself.

Search for the truth.


I found the following 
at 
http://sudman.home.netcom.com/noevidence.htm 




The "Peppered moth" (biston betularia) example


The "peppered moth" (biston betularia) example is commonly used as
evidence for the theory of evolution. Almost all college
biology textbooks talk about it at some point.

It happened in England during the 1840's through 1895. Before 1848,
ninety-eight percent (98%) of peppered moths were
white. Many more of the white moths survived; they blended in with the
trees much better than the black moths did. Then, in
1848, the black moths started increasing, until in 1895, there were
ninety-eight percent (98%) black moths! What caused the
sudden increase?

If we look at this closely, we find that there was no evolution
involved! What actually happened is that the pollution increased.
This killed the white likens on the trees and turned the trees black.
Predators could see the white moths better than the black
moths, therefore more were eaten. When the pollution was reduced, the
white moths were again less visible than the black
moths, and everything returned to how it was before. There was no actual
change in the moth, only in the ratio of black moths to
white moths, therefore evolution did not take place. Although it is true
that the peppered moth experiments conclusively prove
the theory of natural selection (which isn't a debated theory anymore),
they don't show evolution, since there was no actual
change in the gene pool of the moths. Cris Colby (pro-evolution)
comments in his Introduction to Evolutionary Biology, "The
increase in relative abundance of the dark type was due to natural
selection. The late eighteen hundreds was the time of
England's industrial revolution. Soot from factories darkened the birch
trees the moths landed on. Against a sooty background,
birds could see the lighter colored moths better and ate more of them.
As a result, more dark moths survived until reproductive
age and left offspring. The greater number of offspring left by dark
moths is what caused their increase in frequency. This is an
example of natural selection."

The whole example is full of holes anyway. For one thing, peppered moths
don't even rest on trees during the day! They were
laboratory-bred moths. As Dr. Carl Wieland comments, "The moths filmed
being eaten by the birds were laboratory-bred ones
placed onto tree trunks by Kettlewell; they were so languid that he once
had to warm them up on his car bonnet (hood)." Dr.
Wieland also comments, "And all those still photos of moths on tree
trunks? One paper described how it was done - dead
moths were glued to the tree. University of Massachusetts biologist
Theodore Sargent helped glue moths onto trees for a
NOVA documentary. He says textbooks and films have featured 'a lot of
fraudulent photographs'."



What, pray tell, is scientific about this? :)

Maureen

Re: CS>Introduction [harbor freight]

[Ode Wan Coyote]

## Harbor Freight now sells online as well as by catalog.  A good 
company.  I've used them for many years. Sometimes they have laser pointers 
on sale for as little as $5I prefer the AAA battery type over the 
button cell type as the batteries are much cheaper and longer lasting. Ken

 http://harborfreight.com/


At 09:26 PM 8/8/00 +0100, you wrote:

Carol Webb writes

>Dear Marshall,
>I think I should take you on a shopping trip in
>England. I want to cry..If only you knew!!!
>It took me about 3 weeks to source the silver,
>another trek to get a meter, and the worse
>component was 'water'. We had to accept some
>past its sell by date from Boots which is our
>biggest pharmacy. We may be fortunate and
>find that Tandy, which has limited radio Shack
>components has one. We don't have a RS in
>Wolverhampton where I am, perhaps there is
>one in London. No, I'm afraid it will be another
>search.
>
Hi Carol,

To overcome the DW (distilled water) problem I decided to make my own.
Try the Fresh Water Filter Company in London. Tel: 0208 597 3223;
http://www.freshwaterfilter.demon.co.uk; m...@freshwaterfilter.co.uk.
They do a distiller (NOT cheap) and also an in line filter (again not
cheap).  I HAD to use the latter at my previous address in Somerset.

I have no connection with the company, just a very satisfied customer.

>I know someone living in the wilds of California,
>with access to a town of 5,000 people who can
>shop better than we can.

I got my daughter in Florida to get me a laser pointer stateside.  This
was only a few dollars compared to the expensive items I sourced over
here at the time.  Believe the company in the States was Harbour
Freight.  Can't remember their details but am sure someone on list will
hop in with the relevant details.

Be well, be happy

Ron
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Re: CS>More truth

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 No correction here.

 I heard a visiting preacher say to another TV preacher, "We move in the 
mind of God".  The other preacher tried to distort this simple literal 
statement of fact into a guilt/power trip by saying, You mean that once we 
accept Jesus as our saviour, THEN we move in the mind of God"  The first 
preacher looked a bit pained and said "Yea, that's it" [It's your show, I'm 
not here to steal your thunder and I know it's pointless to argue with a 
made up mind]


 Ponder the application of a blend of holographic and fractal effect where 
from apparent divisions in consciousness can arise according to point of 
view.  Examine apparent divisions in ones own personal awareness and 
extrapolate into greater realms...as above , so below.
 Imagine that you could project your consciousness into a hologram, then 
forget you did it.  From the original point of view, you would know that 
it's just a light show, but from the experiential point of view, you could 
actually bruise your leg on a holographic table and it WOULD hurt.

 Why does dissociation [via hypnosis etc.] eliminate pain?

 If all separation of mind is an appearance and there are no "real" 
divisions...how can one not BE what one is not separate from?
 Obviously, there is much misidentification of self happening in this 
universe.
 Focus has more to do with not seeing every thing else than it does seeing 
one thing clearly.  It's a useful tool in it's own context but says little 
about reality.
 IMO, the brain works like a good radio, filtering out all but one channel 
from billions...providing focus to this landscape of ideas.  All the senses 
are tools to help the brain verify that one channel.
 The function of the brain is to pick out patterns from chaos and have 
them verified by the senses in a feedback loop style...thus, a cohesive 
reality is created by denial of all else.  Absolute chaos and absolute 
order are the same thing. The Alpha IS the Omega.
 If the senses and the opinions formed from the incoming data were 
accurate, one would never change their minds about anything or see anything 
differently.  Most refuse to anyway by eliminating conflicting data from 
consciousness. Perhaps individualism is but a denial of communication where 
a strongly individualistic person has but limited their points of view by 
exclusion and developed what might be called a "well focussed identity".
 But such an identity must always be defended.  If it must be defended, it 
can't be said to be secure.  Unfortunately, the most common defence is an 
attack. "I can only be right if someone else is wrong and I must be right 
or I am not me"...on a personal/community/theologic/national scale...and "I 
know" is really "I'm afraid to admit how little I know, so , you must be 
stupid"


 "I cannot be who I think I am.  If I am, my mind must never change 
because if it did..I was never who I thought I was."

 Time to think again, ey?

 The individuals mind and the greater mind of God are one and the same.
 It is the greater mind of God taking an individual point of view. It is 
done by using ideas of space and time, believing those ideas to be the 
grand total of reality and verifying that belief with the tools invented 
and formed for that purpose...by that one mind "seen as" many.
 Nothing can exist 'as real' without creating artificial divisions, but, 
there are entities who know they are doing it. They are not trapped by 
their self erected limitations...nor do they feel guilty about playing in them.
 God is but the completely undefended self sans all barriers. The mind 
that includes all ideas.
 The instant you completely forget who and what you think you are and drop 
all the defences designed to validate those ideas.such as 'being' a body...
 There are no limits to experience and bodies are but useful tools. You 
will find that you have as many as you want to serve whatever purpose you 
desire.

 KD'C

At 04:40 PM 8/8/00 -0400, you wrote:
It is a jab at the scientist's viewpoint that concousness (the mind) is 
nothing
more than a biochemical process of the brain.  Thus the mind is in the 
brain to
them.  But to anyone who has had an NDE, OBE, past life memory and so 
forth, it
is apparent that conciousness is separate from the brain and continues to 
exist

even after the death of the brain.

It also can refer to the generalization that all physical matter including the
brain can be considered nothing more than a materialization from the etheric,
where the mind resides, whether we are speaking of an individual's mind, 
or the

greater mind of God.

Correct me if I am wrong Coyote.

Marshall

mama2b...@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 08/08/2000 10:04:19 Central Daylight Time,
> mdud...@execonn.com writes:
>
> Kinda catchy, but what

Re: CS>More truth

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  It means that mind is not the product of brain, that brain is the 
product of mind and the location and identity of mind has been reversed, 
therefore, nearly all points of view have become skewed...and it was done 
on purpose for a purpose by mind.

 A really neat and effective trick.
 Yes, anyone can fool themselves into believing they didn't regardless of 
the level of thought via self validating feedback loops. [Aka, your 
personally validated version of reality]

 KD'C

At 04:36 PM 8/8/00 -0400, you wrote:

In a message dated 08/08/2000 10:04:19 Central Daylight Time,
mdud...@execonn.com writes:

Kinda catchy, but what on earth does it mean?  I hate ambiguous statements.
<<
 Ode Wan Coyote wrote:

 > The brain is in the mind.

 Very nice quote.  I will have to remember that one.

 Marshall
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Re: CS>The Truth Hurts

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  The point is that spirit does not need healing. What is needed is closer 
contact with spirits purpose. Then, miracles will begin to be recognized 
instead of being told what they 'should' look like and conflicts resolve.

 Then healing of the body.

 However, agreed that this is an off topic thread not directly related to 
CS and I will cease.

 KD'C

At 09:50 PM 8/8/00 -0700, you wrote:

The truth has been discussed here for awhile now and I am glad for the
information and discussion. At the same time, I think the posts are becoming
less informative as they go on. And although the spirit needs healing, I am
more interested in learning here about alternative treatments for my lyme
disease.

Hope you don't mind my honesty about the truth.

Katie


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Re: CS>Introduction [harbor freight]

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 Yes, lasers can be had in various wave lengths but not as laser pointers. 
As far as I know, the red laser diode is the only frequency available in a 
pointer.

 ken

At 08:24 AM 8/9/00 -0400, you wrote:

In a message dated 8/9/00 6:49:29 AM EST, coy...@alltel.net writes:

<< Subj: Re: CS>Introduction [harbor freight]
 Date:  8/9/00 6:49:29 AM EST
 From:  coy...@alltel.net (Ode Wan Coyote)
 Reply-to:  silver-list@eskimo.com
 To:silver-list@eskimo.com

 ## Harbor Freight now sells online as well as by catalog.  A good
 company.  I've used them for many years. Sometimes they have laser pointers
 on sale for as little as $5I prefer the AAA battery type over the
 button cell type as the batteries are much cheaper and longer lasting.
Ken
   http://harborfreight.com/
  >>

I was wondering if anyone knew if lasers can be purchased in different wave
lengths. If they can, wouldn't an assortment of these lasers provide an
estimate of maximum CS particle size? Roger


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Re: CS>Introduction

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  Same idea, different name and approach.
 No conflict.
 KD'C

At 05:52 AM 8/9/00 -0700, you wrote:


I have been, as you say, "lurking", and have been
fascinated by the wonderful cures you have been able
to report.  I have always been skeptical of Western
medicine and Western doctors.  It is good to be able
to read about alternatives that work. Unfortunately,
there seems to be an abundance of letters that discuss
your God, and if that is what this list is all about,
I think that other Gods should be given equal time.

Allah is the Arabian Supreme Being, "El" or the Hebrew
"Eli". He is the Creator God of ancient Arabia who was
seen as the father and king of the other gods. When
Muhammad speaks of Allah, there is no god but He.
Allah is the All-high, the All-glorious Creator and
Guardian over everything. Allah rewards and punishes,
He is omniscient, universal and all powerful. In
essence, it is the submission to the will of Allah
that makes Islam what it is. There is no intermediary
with man and Allah, one approaches Allah directly in
prayer and in the reciting of the Quran.

Thank you, and praise Allah

Salman al-`Awdah

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Re: CS>Speaking of salts and such

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  ##  Even 12 volts will work OK.  It just takes longer.
 Ken

At 09:01 AM 8/10/00 -0500, you wrote:

Hi Tim;

Scrape the salt ! That when out with the hoola hoop. It makes silver
chloride.

Yes you can use a wall transformer if you can get about 26+ volts DC. you 
might

have to add a full wave bridge to get the desired voltage.

Get the grocery store item the clear SOLO cup and make 14 to 16 oz at a time.

Use 1/2" to 3/4" spacing with 3" to 4" wet length on the silver. Add constant
stirring, use a digital mulitmeter to monitor the current so that you will 
know

when to shut off.

I am sure you will have questions,  contact off list.

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Re: CS>Difficult decision

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 ##  It's possible that using CS as a mouth wash would help stabilize the 
mercury in the silver mercury amalgam. I believe that it has sealed all the 
leaks in my fillings as well.  I haven't had to get one repaired in several 
years now and the dentist is no longer talking about "watch spots" which 
are usually associated with degrading fillings for me.

 ken

At 11:28 AM 8/10/00 -0400, you wrote:

Katie Jay wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I have a difficult decision to make. I have lyme disease and need to get
> going on my treatment. I had been told to use a zapper, get my mercury
> fillings removed, and take doxycycline.
>
> Then I learned about CS and decided I would try that instead of 
antibiotics.

>
> Someone recently told me it is not good to use a zapper when you have
> mercury fillings that are degrading. Is that true?
>

I have never heard that before.

>
> Is there a problem with taking CS while I still have the fillings? What
> would it's efficacy be if I were taking chelating agents to get rid of the
> mercury? Wouldn't the silver chelate right out of me, too?
>

I am taking oral chelation right now, using the Age-Less product.  Since 
most CS
only sticks around for a few hours I am simply taking the CS in the 
morning and

the chelation at night.  Both seem to be working fine.

>
> I'm wondering if in the short term I'd be better off doing the chelation,
> getting the fillings out and taking the antibiotics.

Taking fillings out can be very risky.  The dentist has to know what they are
doing, use gum dams and so forth, or you can get a big mercury injection from
the removal.  You should do chelation before the removal, and after.  I think
now that oral chelation works so well, and is so inexpensive and 
non-invasive, I

am not having the fillings removed, just using chelation to keep the mercury
level down.

>
>
> Once I'm done chelating, I could switch to beck's protocal for my lyme
> (including the use of CS), and zap periodically for the parasites.
>

I am using the Clark during chelation and CS without any apparent 
interactions.


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Re: CS>Ear infections

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  ##  Sounds like a perfect opportunity for an Englander to set up a small 
distillery and ship on line for a reasonable price.

 Web site, search engine and link ring?
 Ken

At 11:02 PM 8/10/00 +0100, you wrote:

Dear Kit,
I don't think our American friends can possibly
understand how difficult it is to acquire even
simple components for our CS.

I have found Boots pure water good. However,
they only keep it at larger stores, and if you are
making a good quantity of CS it's going to get
expensive. £3.99 for 5litres.

We too are looking to distill our own water, so
perhaps we could compare notes.

Has anyone made a comment on using 20ppm
CS. I'm a newbie, and could be entirely wrong,
but I had thought a lower ppm would be better,
as the particles are smaller. I'm using it directly
into my sinuses, but I can't say I know any more.

I hope something works swiftly for your little one.

On 10 Aug 2000, at 21:22, Sir Richard Beresford-Wylie wrote:

> I am resident in England, where it appears
> >that distilled water is not so readily
> >available as it is in the USA. Are there any
> >other UK residents lurking than can
> >recommend a good source of distilled water
> >for CS generation, or can anybody recommend
> >a good tabletop distillation unit?


Love and Light
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Re: CS>Difficult decision

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 ##  All I know for sure is that the dentist was amazed enough to ask what 
I was doing differently, nearly insisted that I was using that strong 
flouride toothpaste he gave me regularly [not at all..and don't have 
flouridated water] and no longer tried to poke that sharp thing into any 
potential holes.
 BTW, I told him about CS, gave him a sample and he didn't just look the 
other way...but hasn't mentioned it again either.

 Ken

At 01:57 PM 8/11/00 -0400, you wrote:

Annex wrote:

> Come on guys,  the CS used as a mouthwash certainly can't "seal" the
> fillings!  More likely, it has killed any of the bacteria, or other
> pathogens
> that cause decay around the fillings!  After all, that is what CS 
is all

> about.
>
> Bill Biagioli N.M.D.

I wouldn't be too sure.  Fillings are a mixture (actually a solid solution) of
silver and mercury.  If you expose an amalgam to mercury, it will dissolve 
into

the mixture (be absorbed by it) and become part of it.  If you have mercury
which is leeching to the surface, then any CS which contacts the surface 
should

quickly become almagamated with it, immobolizing it.

I can see a theoretical basis for this, but have no idea if it really happens.

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Re: CS>Re: moles

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  ##  You can get stainless rod from nearly any welding shop or welding 
supply store.  The amount needed is so small, sometimes they'll just give 
it to you.

 Ken

At 04:20 PM 8/11/00 -0400, you wrote:

Thanks Maureen for the URL.  I wanted to get some stainless for the cathode
of my Cs generator.  They have it listed with On-Line Metals for $.60 per
foot.  It should save a silver electrode.
Their zapper for getting rid of Moles uses different frequencies.  My zapper
is not adjustable.  I see they also had some success with Gout at various
frequencies.  I just had a bout of Gout, and my zapper did not help it.
Question?  What good does it do to cover the zapper copper anode with a sock?
 Colloidal copper should be passed through it like straining Cs with a 
coffee

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Re: CS>Difficult decision

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  ##  Wasn't there some discussion about metals ionizing in the body? 
[something to do with contact with acids maybe?  Perhaps dissimilar metals 
in an electrolyte?]

 Ion to Ion reactions can be pretty fast?
 I swish CS for 2 to 10 minutes around in the mouth at least twice daily.
 Ken

At 04:36 PM 8/11/00 -0400, you wrote:

In a message dated 8/11/00 1:06:36 PM EST, mdud...@execonn.com writes:

<< Subj: Re: CS>Difficult decision
 Date:  8/11/00 1:06:36 PM EST
 From:  mdud...@execonn.com (Marshall Dudley)
 Reply-to:  silver-list@eskimo.com
 To:silver-list@eskimo.com

 Annex wrote:

 > Come on guys,  the CS used as a mouthwash certainly can't "seal" the
 > fillings!  More likely, it has killed any of the bacteria, or other
 > pathogens
 > that cause decay around the fillings!  After all, that is what CS is
all
 > about.
 >
 > Bill Biagioli N.M.D.

 I wouldn't be too sure.  Fillings are a mixture (actually a solid solution)
of
 silver and mercury.  If you expose an amalgam to mercury, it will dissolve
into
 the mixture (be absorbed by it) and become part of it.  If you have mercury
 which is leeching to the surface, then any CS which contacts the surface
should
 quickly become almagamated with it, immobolizing it.

 I can see a theoretical basis for this, but have no idea if it really
happens.

 Marshall

  >>

Marshall: I think if you were to do a mass balance you'd find that under all
but the most extreme CS ingestion levels, it would be unlikely that enough
silver would come in contact with those free mercury sites, especially when
you consider that were talking about solid/solid reactions which are
notoriously slow. In addition, there is a strong driving force for silver to
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CS>FTC Jaguar

[Ode Wan Coyote]

## I don't know how "All electronic products are satisfaction gauranteed or 
your money back!" can ever be construed as unfair.
 For the FTC to imply that several testimonial successes indicates there 
are no failures is an insult to my intelligence. Where is the deception? 
Was there ever an FDA approved drug, treatment or device that worked for 
everyone?  I think not. Yet, people go to doctors and take toxic drugs.
 Obviously, if it works sometimes, it's worth a try. Even if the relief is 
a coincidence, what's wrong with a triggered coincidence?  I don't suppose 
a doctor never gave a patient a placebo? I don't suppose that anyone ever 
got well 'in spite' of the treatment?  What doctor refunds your money if 
you're not satisfied?


 The communications and electricity producing/transmitting industries pump 
billions of volt amps through the air for us human antennaes to 
conduct.  Millions of volts! Billions of amps! Be sure to ground your car 
if you park under a power transmission line or it will become a capacitor 
and ZAP you GOOD when you get out.  "This station transmits at 500,000 mega 
wats"


Now we are to believe that a few nine volt batteries can possibly harm someone?

 "They" pump us full of a proven toxins [flouride and chlorine] in our 
water every day for our own good, yet gripe about people taking minute 
quantities of silver? [Never mind the reasons for either practice]
BTW, I haven't had a cavity in three years after messing with colloidal 
silver. Before, I averaged 2 to 3 cavities a year, leaking fillings 
incuded.  Flouride has done nothing to eliminate cavities but has put white 
spots on my teeth. I eliminated the flouride.


Want to see some REAL deception?  The FDA documents on colloidal silver are 
full of it. Not once did they actually talk about the specific subject.

 Not once!  It's like trying to ban water because the ocean has salt in it.

 I, personally, am sick of being protected from myself and assaulted by 
those same protectors..."for my own good"


 I really appreciate having all the various technologies and information 
available regardless of the source or who approves.  But, don't force me to 
do "this" or forcefully prevent me from doing "that" if that's what I 
choose to do.  My education and what I do with it is my sole responsibility.

 There is NEVER just one way to do anything.

 To "Them":
 My good is MY business. Yes, I CAN READ and I CAN DECIDE for myself. 
Thank you for your concern, information noted, sure sure..officialdumb 
knows everything... now go away.

 Ken  Steckenrider

Re: CS> Tech help with CS generator

[Ode Wan Coyote]

##  The meter going to zero indicates zero resistance..as should be in a 
dead short.
 Just check the DC voltage at the electrodes.  The first one should be 9 - 
9.5 volts
 The other one may be somewhat less than 27 volts if there any internal 
resistors or grain of wheat bulbs.
 If you get no voltage, there's a bad connection, or really low 
voltage..I'd look for corrosion or a cold solder joint

 Ken



At 04:22 PM 8/14/00 -0400, you wrote:

Hi,
I was hoping that someone could help a person with minimum tech
understanding (me).  I have two CS generators, one that I purchased made
with 1 nine volt battery where the silver electrodes are soldered directly
to the battery cap connector ends, and the second one I made that uses the
three 9v batteries where the connectors are soldered in series to two
alligator clips.  I want to check the connections, since both seem to be
working not quite as effectively as in the past, and the batteries are new.
I bought a simple multitester multimeter device from Radio Shack (with which
I checked the batteries).  I believe that to test the resistance of both
generators (Rx1K Ohms is the function  per the manual) will verify that the
connections are good.  However, I'm not sure, and was wondering what the
proper way to do the test is and which part of the generator I should
connect the tester leads to  - the battery cap connector nodes or the
electrodes (on the direct solder generator)/ alligator clips.  Also, what
should I be looking for? (When you set the Rx1k Ohms function, you touch the
positive and negative leads together, the meter goes to zero.





 If it is
working, will the generators also cause the meter to go to zero?)  The
multitester measures AC, DC voltages, DC current and resistance.  I hope
that one of these functions will be useful for testing the connections of
the generators before I take them apart and resolder (which I don't want to
do if I don't have to).
Thank you in advance for help!
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Re: CS>Zapper Schematic

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 ## Well, it came through but the resolution wasn't sufficient to read the 
lettering.

 Ken

At 07:33 PM 8/15/00 -0400, you wrote:

Hi All,

Maybe this time the schematic will get through!  Sorry
for the delay, but my time is limited.

Bill





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Re: CS> Tech help with CS generator

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 An LED will only take about 20 ma, so if you hook it up between the 
battery posts without a current limiter, it will blow out. Doing this won't 
tell anything about the CS either.
 Try putting the LED in series with the output. It will be dim at first 
and grow brighter as the water becomes more conductive.  Again, if you 
short out the electrodes, the LED will burn unless there is some sort of 
current limitation like a resistor or grain of wheat bulb also in 
series.  Somewhere between 1.5k ohms and 2 K ohms should do it.

 Ken

At 09:33 PM 8/15/00 -0400, you wrote:

Thank You Dave, Bob and Ken,
Your clear instructions helped me greatly, and both generators are up and
running!  My family seems to be hit with a mid summer flu type thing,
probably the heavy rains alternating with hot and humid weather that we have
happening in NY, and we've been using alot of the CS lately.
One other question, if I may, I had a couple bulbs (LED I think), one I had
attached to the generator I made, I took it off today because it didn't
light up real bright as I was making the CS (had to have the lights off and
it was barely visible), but when I made a circuit using the generator and
clipping the negative wire of the bulb to the positive alligator clip and
vice versa for the positive wire, it lit up.  I guess it is one that is made
for a circuit??  The second one lit up regardless of whether I hooked either
wire up to the positive or negative node of a battery, (I even tried it with
the three 9v and it worked) so I thought it would work with the generator,
but when I soldered it, it was a dead connection, and then failed to work
after I took it off so I must have blown the bulb somehow (it was one that
my automechanic neighbor gave to me that he took off some gadget or car and
both wires were red).  I like the idea of a bulb to help me know if the
battery needs replacing, but neither kind seemed to work.  Any suggestions
for future projects?  The Radio shack I go to doesn't seem to carry the
right bulb that is given in Bob Beck's instructions for building a
generator.
Again, thank you and many blessings to you!
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Re: CS>Bill's zapper schematic

[Ode Wan Coyote]

##  Yup, That one worked fine.  Thanks!  Are there any restrictions on how 
your gift is to be used?

 ken

At 06:00 AM 8/16/00 -0700, you wrote:

I may have the bugs worked out for sending this oversize file. This one
*is* legible. Don't try to print it out from the browser, but rather use
any image editing program and fit to the output page.

Be well,

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Re: CS>What do you think?

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 ##  First, if it needs a protein base, it's probably not very stable. 
Protein bases are use to keep particles in suspension.
  Second, "submicron" ,whatever that means..any colloid would qualify I 
should think. What size is that particular submicron?
  Third, If they're recommending medical use only, the FDA will be all 
over them. As far as I know, No licensed clinic can use CS as an approved 
drug in the USA and licensed clinics must use approved drugs or risk a law 
suit and or possible malpractice charges. Even Mexican clinics are under 
fire. A possible excuse to run off with your money?
  Fourth, What labs will grade colloidal silver?  What do they compare the 
samples with? There are no official standards. All a lab will do is tell 
you what's there.  I suspect it's the CS maker that's doing the grading.
   Fifth, they don't say how their CS is made. It could well be the 
cheaper but possibly nasty chemical 'precipitate process'
 Sixth, It's no headache to make your own for less than a nickel verses 
$25, no S+H and little waiting...and you have some idea of what you're getting.
  Seventh, The writer could have easily looked up all the 'what and where' 
of Becks and countless other devices...and I'll bet the writer did.  It's 
hard to even think of colloidal silver without encountering Beck.

 Ken

At 01:43 AM 8/19/00 +0100, you wrote:

  Hello List,
This was posted from another list.

Is this quality possible, and why would anyone
need it? And what is this protein base?

energy21 - http://energy21.terrashare.com

We sell Colloidal Silver currently being used
in  licensed clinics here in the US. This is
CS on a submicron level with a protein base.
An 8oz. bottle of 1,100 ppm would cost you
$25.00. US -  This will be sold to you
 for medical use only, that is,  NOT FOR
 RESALE. This CS has been graded
to be of an extremely high quality according
to 4 separate testing labs. If you want to go
through the headache of trying to make your
own, Dr. Bob Beck can sell you the device to
but I don't know the cost. I personally know
people using this device but the results are
usually pretty miserable according to sample
testing.



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Re: CS>black "stuff" on anode

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 ##  I would think that the silver binding with the mercury would 
stabilize the mercury and render it fairly harmless. Silver is fairly 
harmless especially if it has been stabilized. Any stable substance isn't 
going anywhere and it isn't going to do anything, because it's stable.  It 
would do no more harm in the body than any other neutral thing..like an 
artificial hip for instance. The body isolates and stabilizes foreign 
objects by forming a cyst around it [if it can't dissolve and eliminate it 
fairly quickly]. If the object is neutral, the body won't recognize it as 
foreign and won't form a cyst.

 Ken

At 11:21 PM 8/18/00 -0700, you wrote:

Thanks, Ivan :o)

Did you read my post that quoted someone as saying CS is not good to take if
one has mercury toxicity? I am curious what you think of that possibility.
The person said the silver binds with the mercury in the tissues and stays
there, which risks unhealthy accumulation of silver in the body.

I hope people don't dismiss this question without consideration. I am so
afraid of causing more damage to my already sick body.

Thanks,
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Re: CS>black "stuff" on anode

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 ##  I'm not a doctor but I do know there are a lot of folks doing just 
fine with bullets in them.  I myself had some gravel encysted under the 
skin for years with no problems except it was right where my belt rubbed 
and sometimes became sore. A doctor looked at it once and tried to charge 
me $80 for a lousy opinion.  Guess who didn't get a dime.  I finally hacked 
it out with a razer blade about 15 years later.
 Stainless steel has a fair amount of nickel and sometimes a bit of 
chromium in it but nickel and chrome is really pretty stable stuff. Unless 
he's allergic to nickel, there shouldn't be any problem. If his white cell 
count stays high, that's where I'd look.

 Don't they use a titanium alloy nowadays?
 Ken

At 03:40 PM 8/19/00 -0700, you wrote:



It
> would do no more harm in the body than any other neutral thing..like an
> artificial hip for instance. The body isolates and stabilizes foreign
> objects by forming a cyst around it [if it can't dissolve and eliminate it
> fairly quickly]. If the object is neutral, the body won't recognize it as
> foreign and won't form a cyst.
>   Ken

Dear Ken,
 Is this true for the stainless steel rod they put into my son`s broken leg
last December? I worry about all that metal in his body.
 He was in a car crash, got t-boned. The docs went in through the knee joint
and slid the rod inside the tibia.
(My poor baby...)
Marsha


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Re: CS>OFF TOPIC - Need Computer Help for HP Pavillion 8565C

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  Where it says c:\windows on the dos screen
type in
 "exit"

 You're still running windows in the background

 If it goes back to safe mode you might try reloading windows.
 BTW  It's always a good idea to keep a copy on windows in some 
partitioned hard drive or even as a separate directory on c drive so you 
can get to it even when the rom is not available or you're in dos.  I store 
a stripped down copy sans "themes" and such garbage as D:\win98

for example

 As it's booting press F8 to go to dos prompt
select the drive where your copy of windows is in then type setup.exe

 Mine would be
d:\win98\setup.exe

 Reloading windows usually straightens out problems.
 Ken [who manages but is not an expert]



At 10:54 AM 8/23/00 -0400, you wrote:

I need computer help and I thought possibly there might be someone on this
list that can help me.  We purchased a 3-year extended warranty which kicks
in after the first year is up.  But, get this, during the first 12 months you
have to pay long distance to get technical help and I've had to wait on hold
up to an hour before getting any help!

Right now I'm on my son's computer.  Here's what I need help with on mine.
One day last week I was using it and all of a sudden it just wigged out and
turned off.  Then, when I turned it back on again in came up in what I think
is safe mode.  I didn't know how to get it back to my regular desktop.  I was
still able to use it when the screen was whitestill had all my program
icons on the desktop only the desktop color was white and it said something
like Active Desktop Recovery across it.  Well, today I thought maybe I'd shut
it down differently and then maybe my regular desktop would appear again.  I
clicked on the start button and then clicked on Shut Downthen clicked on
something like shut down and start up on dos.  Well, when my computer came
back on it was in dos mode.black screen and showed c:\windows.Can
anyone tell me how to get it back to my regular screen???
Or, know anywhere to go online to find out?

Thanks so much!!

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Re: CS>Ugh!! What a smell!!!

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 Anyone want to worry about carbon dioxide in the air too?   I guess I'll 
just have to stop breathing in and only breath out. :-)


 Come on folks, ever heard the phrase " Worry yourself sick"?
 Ken

At 09:24 PM 8/25/00 +1200, you wrote:


- Original Message -
From: "Marsha Hallett" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, 25 August 2000 18:08
Subject: Re: CS>Ugh!! What a smell!!!


>
> I don`t know, but I don`t think I`d ever swallow charcoal, as carbon
is a
> carcinogen.
>  I also wonder about all the carbon dioxide we swallow in soda pop...
> Marsha

Marsha,

I don't think so. Every organic molecule contains carbon, that is all
food etc.
I think you are thinking of burned food, where the carbon based
structures have been altered by heat and may take forms which are
carcinogenic.
Activated charcoal absorbs onto its surface toxins and other molecules
and is non-soluble and much too large to enter the body's system.
There is no danger (as far as I know), other than it may absorb
molecules that the body needs as food etc., but these can always be
replaced.

Ivan


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Re: CS>Oz

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  It's like the "Peter Principle" where people get promoted to their 
highest level of incompetence.
 The very qualities that induce a person to want to become a politician 
disqualify him from being a good one.


 Our leaders should be drafted and encouraged to manage themselves out of 
office by doing the job so well that the office is no longer needed.


 If we the people would grow up, lead and take care of ourselves, we 
wouldn't need all these other children who claim to be grown to lead us and 
treat us like dependent spoiled children.

 Alas, they are true representatives of the average peoples mind set...
so, the planet remains in its "terrible twos".. screaming jerk offs lead by 
braying jackasses.


...not to mention that most politicians are also lawyers.

 The "above average" person lays low in wisdom while the inane majority of 
"believers" [Those that believe that all problems can be solved by forcing 
someone else to do or not do something...religious and secular] 
eventually  deselect themselves from survival with their own happiness and 
power of being always in the hands of another and beyond their reach.


 WE have taught our children what we know when the solutions lie in what 
we don't know...but in being so certain that we do know, never seek to find 
out anything different.
 Look around. What you see is the average of all thought in 
action...something that "we all" are doing together.
 Tradition is what we are currently experiencing...and will continue to 
experience till it hurts enough to toss it aside.
 A million sheeple can be quite mistaken a million times over, yet take 
the beatings of the herd as proof of correctness...and seek to kill all who 
disagree when they themselves are the disagreeable. "kill the killers?"


 Perhaps planes that don't fly well shouldn't be propped up.  The sooner 
it crashes, the sooner a good plane will be built.


  Keep me not from my own pain by taking the blame.
 Then and only then may I decide to heal myself.
 Myself is the only one I CAN heal.
 Others must decide for themselves as must I.

 One can only help another down their chosen path.
 KD'C


At 02:04 PM 8/29/00 -0500, you wrote:


Marshal;

It used to be a mythical place how ever it has now turned
into Washington DC . The wizzard  found in the persons of the pres. and
vice pres. are now the smoke and mirrors and loud noises ,lies and fraud
boys. The other cabinet members all represent the straw heads ,tin men
and other nothing people. And to think that we pay for this. My God!
What have we done to our children.

Best wishes
Bob




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Re: CS>Credit card processing

[Ode Wan Coyote]

 I'd stay with your bank. It's not likely to get better or cheaper online, 
maybe more automatic for a fee and a virtual terminal rental to the tune of 
$50 $60 a month...or purchase for up to a thousand.

 Ken


At 10:16 AM 8/30/00 -0600, you wrote:

I will be careful.  I have it through my bank and so far so good.


Marshall Dudley wrote:
>
> I would be wary of them, I was with them and found they were not giving 
me the
> money I was due. I dropped them.  They said that it was some kind of 
problem,

> but never would give me what I was owed.
>
> Marshall
>
> Frances Mehner wrote:
>
> > try ICVerify 800-666-5777 www.cybercash.com
> >
> > Bob Squires wrote:
> > >
> > >   Does any one have an email no. of a co. that deals in credit
> > > card processing for our home busunesses . Internet ,Fax, and phone 
,etc.

> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Bob
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Re: CS>Piezoelectric Igniters

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  I know a few people who use devices of this sort to establish new neural 
pathways in cases of paralysis from stroke.  Seems to work.
 And yes, the piezio igniters and therapy devices are the same but wired a 
bit differently.

 ken

At 09:34 AM 9/2/00 -0400, you wrote:

In a message dated 9/2/00 2:18:35 AM EST, a260d...@uswest.net writes:

<< Subj: CS>venom,/bites
 Date:  9/2/00 2:18:35 AM EST
 From:  a260d...@uswest.net (dave)
 Reply-to:  a260d...@uswest.net
 To:silver-list@eskimo.com

  Does anyone have experience using the little snap action
 piezoelectric igniters like the ones used to start your gas
 grill for bites,etc.
  I remember a few years back a motorcycle nut was doing TV
 spots on such a device for all kinds of pain,think he called
 it a zapper too.Guess FDA,FCC,AMA,all same, shut him down.
  I have used this igniter device on a live round worm from
 my cat on a glass slide in water and it quickly did it in
 with one click.
  Do these little units have enough power to penetrate
 tissue,like say my belly???
 Oh by the way CS had no affect on the round worm,tried that
 first..
  >>

Dave: I had another question along the same lines. With regard to those
little "zapper" devices we all see in the mail order catalogs that are
supposed to remove pain by pushing a plunger device, are they constructed on
the same principle as the snap action piezoelectric igniters? Roger


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Re: CS>Piezoelectric Igniters

[Ode Wan Coyote]

  They simply discharge the zapper on any unresponsive spot a few times a 
day.  The strong electrical signal finds a way through the neural net and 
winds up in the brain which then ties the intent and input location of the 
charge to the spot it winds up in.  Any part of the brain can do any other 
parts job..it just needs learn that it should.  It's sort of a signal for 
the brain to "look over here".

 Ken

At 08:09 AM 9/3/00 -0700, you wrote:

Ode, do you know any more about the procedure the stroke victims use to
reestablish these neural pathways?  pj

Ode Wan Coyote wrote:
>
>I know a few people who use devices of this sort to establish new neural
> pathways in cases of paralysis from stroke.  Seems to work.
>   And yes, the piezio igniters and therapy devices are the same but wired a
> bit differently.
>   ken
>
> At 09:34 AM 9/2/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >In a message dated 9/2/00 2:18:35 AM EST, a260d...@uswest.net writes:
> >
> ><< Subj: CS>venom,/bites
> >  Date:  9/2/00 2:18:35 AM EST
> >  From:  a260d...@uswest.net (dave)
> >  Reply-to:  a260d...@uswest.net
> >  To:silver-list@eskimo.com
> >
> >   Does anyone have experience using the little snap action
> >  piezoelectric igniters like the ones used to start your gas
> >  grill for bites,etc.
> >   I remember a few years back a motorcycle nut was doing TV
> >  spots on such a device for all kinds of pain,think he called
> >  it a zapper too.Guess FDA,FCC,AMA,all same, shut him down.
> >   I have used this igniter device on a live round worm from
> >  my cat on a glass slide in water and it quickly did it in
> >  with one click.
> >   Do these little units have enough power to penetrate
> >  tissue,like say my belly???
> >  Oh by the way CS had no affect on the round worm,tried that
> >  first..
> >   >>
> >
> >Dave: I had another question along the same lines. With regard to those
> >little "zapper" devices we all see in the mail order catalogs that are
> >supposed to remove pain by pushing a plunger device, are they 
constructed on

> >the same principle as the snap action piezoelectric igniters? Roger
> >
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Re: CS>Argyria...CS website needed!

[Ode Wan Coyote]

..and, if Rosemarys nose medicine didn't work [regardless of composition],
why did she take it for so long?
 I will support such a web site.
 Ken

At 12:02 PM 12/1/00 -0600, you wrote:
>In http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/ , Rosemary mentions a person
>dying from taking 10g at once (maybe he choked on it!), but admits that
>"recoveries have been reported with much higher doses."  So *agyria* is
>the ONLY downside she attributes to CS, and hers is the only verified,
>tangible case!  (Asked if there are others, she replies: "So far I am the
>only one willing to speak out. There is at least one account ..of a woman
>with argyria becoming reclusive.")
>
>What's wrong with this pic?: Based on her singular case, she's shouting
>"Fraud!" to the *world*.  Meanwhile, CS users circulate myriad success
>stories among *themselves*.  For many, this website might be their first
>introduction to CS.  How will they benefit if cogent rebuttals are
>preached only to the choir?  This is how good people become enslaved--the
>political deceivers are FEW BUT ORGANIZED.  
>
>She says that contrary info is advertizing, thus non-obvective.  Wasn't
>it Duncan who said he could construct an objective CS webpage if we
>helped with the costs??  Propaganda like the above saddles us with the
>*responsibility* to respond (Ezek 33:6)!  Where do we go from here??  
>--
>Speaking of rebuttals, when Rosemary's data is interpreted properly
>rather than prejudicially, it actually verifies the SAFETY of CS, based
>on medical opinion!  Note the quantities and compounds cited these
>excerpts:
>
>"In one instance 4 grams of injected silver arsphenamine produced
>argyria. In another it took 20 grams. (7)(According to Hill and Pillsbury
>six grams of silver arsphenamine are equivalent to 0.9 grams of metallic
>silver.) (8) In 1998 a Japanese man developed argyria after ingesting an
>estimated 55 grams of metallic silver over a fifteen-year period. He
>consumed sugar tablets coated with silver as a way to stop smoking. (9) 
>
>"A Spanish woman applied a silver nitrate stick to the inside of her
>mouth and developed argyria after using about 1.5 grams over a
>fifteen-day period. (10) A German woman did the same thing for nine
>years. HER *DOCTORS* ESTIMATED that it took 124g of silver to turn her
>gray. (11)" 
>
>--Russ
>
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