Re: CSSome info please?

[Marshall Dudley]

OK, if you have success with Nutrasweet I will add it to
http://execonn.com/poison.html

Marshall

John Reeder wrote:

  Thanks, seems like there are lots of methods. I will experiment and
 let the list know about to killArgentine ants, that is what they
 turned out to be. John

  -Original Message-
  From: Joseph Fritz [mailto:sil...@chaosrealms.com]
  Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 10:04 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSSome info please?

  At 10:46 AM 6/7/2002 -0600, you wrote:

  
   Got to go, county folks are coming to check out potential
   fire ants on the property.
  
   John
  
   Do you think CS in sugar water would kill fire ants? Or
   at least some Nutrasweet.?
   Marshalee
 

  I used a recipe I got off the list had molasses sugar and
  yeast in it worked real good took about a week seemed like I
  was feeding ants till then
  Sincerely
  Joseph Fritz



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Re: CSSome info please?

[San D]

For pesky house ants: 1/4 c confect sugar + 1  tb borax...sprinkle on
trails and/or place in small lids (keep it away from pets an children),
ants will take it to the queen. This works!!

I havent tried it with fire ants,  but maybe??
Double or triple the mixture add to CS,  pour on and around  the mound.
If anyone tries this let me know how effective.

Thanks,
Sandra


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Re: CSSome info please?

[Tai-Pan]

Hi all,
It seems that John has lots of things to say. But he has never
done any of it. Bout time he gave us the details of his usage and results.
Lets hear his verifiable stories of how good CS has worked for him personally.
Put your life on the line or shut up. How I hate bull shitters!!
Excuse me good people.
Bless you, Bob Lee
John Reeder wrote:

Hello
Beth,Try:http://www.silver-colloids.com/http://www.aa-micro.com/http://silverdata.20m.com/nebulizers.htmlThere
are lots more.John

-Original
Message-
From: Beth [mailto:b...@sysr.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002
7:20 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Some info
please?

Another great thing for cleaning out ear
wax is ear candles. You can buy them on line or at a health store. They
are inexpensive and may help alleviate sinus pressure. I use them several
times a year.Also,
I would like more info on making CS. Is there a website to help me out.
I am clueless about it and am new to this board. Thanks.Beth
Brawnhttp://5pillars.com/healthyfinances/

- Original Message -

From:
Malcolm Stebbins

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 8:25
PM

Subject: Re: CS>Some info please?
Hi Beth, more testimonials, but yes it works topically at the least,
and
probably helps by mouth.
There's some good info on a patented (by a M.D.) use of a bandage
made of
nylon impregnated with silver on a site called silverlon.
There are a
number of good peer reviewed references on that site that examine the
way
the silver particles work to not only eliminate infection but also
to
promote healing.
http://www.silverlon.com/studies.html
Take care, Malcolm
Lady B wrote:
> THANK YOU to everyone for your excellent info!
>
> Now I need to spend quite a bit of time looking through all the info
and
> taking the stuff and see what happens. I have always had sinus and
> allergy problems and ANY improvement would be thrilling.
>
> Aso, my boyfriend is having sinus surgery tomorrow and I'm pretty
sure
> that I can get him to try it too. He has suffered from extreme problems
> for years...as well as having depression and anxiety which he believes
> may have been aggrevated by not being able to breathe properly.
>
> BTWto those of you still thinking about the ears thing..when
> Jeff used hydrogen peroxide to clean out his ear wax he DID feel
a lot
> better (less sinus congestion) for a couple of days! Maybe the ears
are
> a key? I never thought about that before.
>
> Well, if this stuff works, I will be SO excited!
> I'm not sure if I feel competent enough to try making my own CS though.
> Is it really easy?
>
> Take care,
>
> Beth
>

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Re: CSSome info please?

[Tai-Pan]

Hi all,
I will take this moment to apologize to the membership. John has
totally peed me off with his uninformed comments and the harm he has done
to the good people on this list who are looking for help. For someone like
him to come along and criticize our people , and just give endless lists
of links is a great disservice to all of the members. I'm sure he has the
intelligence to do better than that. Lets hear the personal things he has
done and how they worked for him. We want positive things here, not negative
things. Negative things do nothing for anyone. Negative things will not
heal anyone. Lists will not heal anyone.
New people come along and think they know it all , without ever
doing any experiments of their own, and act like all us old timers
didn't ever do anything. Be fore giving us your great advice, tell
us how you determined that it was correct or shut up. We don't need it,
and stop screwing up those that are trying to heal themselves.
You are Johnny come latelys and need to spend a couple hundred
hours in the archives (holy smoke, the archives ) before thinking that
you know something that we haven't already done with experiments. There
is about five years worth of good information there. Use it before opening
your mouth.

Bless you, Bob lee
oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast
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RE: CSSome info please?

[John Reeder]

Dear Mr Lee,

Seemingly, you haven't been reading all of the posts (selective reading),
because
I have posted my own limited experiences with both cs and the zapper
(extensively). I don't have
a lot to post about personal healing, because I remain in reasonably good
health at the age
of 64 (maybe the future isn't good, I don't know). Go check the archives.

John
  -Original Message-
  From: Tai-Pan [mailto:l...@fbtc.net]
  Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 12:52 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSSome info please?


   Hi all,
   It seems that John has lots of things to say. But he has never done any
of it. Bout time he gave us the details of his usage and results. Lets hear
his verifiable stories of how good CS has worked for him personally. Put
your life on the line or shut up. How I hate bull shitters!!

  Excuse me good people.

   Bless you,   Bob Lee

  John Reeder wrote:

Hello
Beth,Try:http://www.silver-colloids.com/http://www.aa-micro.com/http://silve
rdata.20m.com/nebulizers.htmlThere are lots more.John
  -Original Message-
  From: Beth [mailto:b...@sysr.com]
  Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:20 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSSome info please?

  Another great thing for cleaning out ear wax is ear candles. You can
buy them on line or at a health store. They are inexpensive and may help
alleviate sinus pressure. I use them several times a year. Also, I would
like more info on making CS. Is there a website to help me out. I am
clueless about it and am new to this board. Thanks. Beth
Brawnhttp://5pillars.com/healthyfinances/
- Original Message -
From: Malcolm Stebbins
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: CSSome info please?
 Hi Beth, more testimonials, but yes it works topically at the
least, and
probably helps by mouth.
There's some good info on a patented (by a M.D.) use of  a bandage
made of
nylon impregnated  with silver on a site called silverlon.  There
are a
number of good peer reviewed references on that site that examine
the way
the silver particles work to not only eliminate infection but also
to
promote healing.
http://www.silverlon.com/studies.html

Take care,  Malcolm

Lady B wrote:

 THANK YOU to everyone for your excellent info!

 Now I need to spend quite a bit of time looking through all the
info and
 taking the stuff and see what happens. I have always had sinus and
 allergy problems and ANY improvement would be thrilling.

 Aso, my boyfriend is having sinus surgery tomorrow and I'm pretty
sure
 that I can get him to try it too. He has suffered from extreme
problems
 for years...as well as having depression and anxiety which he
believes
 may have been aggrevated by not being able to breathe properly.

 BTWto those of you still thinking about the ears
thing..when
 Jeff used hydrogen peroxide to clean out his ear wax he DID feel a
lot
 better (less sinus congestion) for a couple of days! Maybe the
ears are
 a key? I never thought about that before.

 Well, if this stuff works, I will be SO excited!
 I'm not sure if I feel competent enough to try making my own CS
though.
 Is it really easy?

 Take care,

 Beth



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Re: CSSome info please?

[Malcolm Stebbins]

Hi Gary; I suspect the infection may be 'cooking' in the eustachian - warm,
wet, relatively undisturbed, 'specially in those of us with narrow ones
and/or sinus trouble.  Perhaps dropping liquid into the outer ear stimulates
the eustachian to open or dry up a bit?

Gary Green wrote:

 On Tuesday, April 30, 2002, at 11:55 AM, Catherine Creel wrote:

 
  A look at Gray's Anatomy online will show how the
  ear is connected to the entire body.

 The middle ear, yes has the eustachian tube connecting to the
 nasopharynx, yes, but there is no patent connection directly from the
 outer ear to the middle ear.  The External Auditory Meatus is lined with
 skin and squamous epithelium, neither of which are any degree
 permeable under normal conditions.


 and the medical illustrations of of Frank Netter are without compare.

!!!


 if you were to take cultures of the germs that
 inhabit the outer or middle ear I do not believe you would find these
 places incubators of the strains normally associated with either a upper
 or lower UTI.

Reminds me of a joke . . . .g


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RE: CSSome info please?

[John Reeder]

Hello all,

Apparently, Mr Lee has a problem. I haven't stated anything negative about
cs, I am a firm
believer in its ability to heal and to keep one healthy. I have experiences
with cs healing and
have stated them on this forum in the past (although, I am a relatively new
member). I and
my friends use cs on an ongoing basis. And, I certainly didn't mean to get
him upset

Mr Lee appears to be the type who loves to argue and fight, from reading the
tenor his posts.
I simply posted a medical link (seemingly a reasonable link) and questioned
(or should I say,
dared to question his somewhat irrational post). I love stories such as he
told about the hairy
green meat, but run into problems when I try to justify my beliefs in cs to
my rational friends
with stories such as that. For daring to question, I am called a liar. I
thought that this forum
was a 'give and take' forum where we could all investigate, dare to
question, comment, and
check out the veracity of others' statements. If my Lee was in my classroom
and was given
a WebQuest assignment about this whole scenario (as an uninvolved
investigator), he would
be in the 'C- to D' range grade-wise right now.

I refuse to enter into that and will not respond to his personal problems or
his agenda.

Out of here, lurking from now on, or at least until I have read several
hundred hours of archives
per Mr Lee's prescription (thought that I had already done that, but didn't
keep track of how
many hours I spent in the archives - my wife would disagree, she says I
spend too much time on
the cs site as it is). Oh well.

Got to go, county folks are coming to check out potential fire ants on the
property.

John
  -Original Message-
  From: Tai-Pan [mailto:l...@fbtc.net]
  Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 1:30 AM
  To: silver-list
  Subject: Re: CSSome info please?


   Hi all,
   I will take this moment to apologize to the membership. John has totally
peed me off with his uninformed comments and the harm he has done to the
good people on this list who are looking for help. For someone like him to
come along and criticize our people , and just give endless lists of links
is a great disservice to all of the members. I'm sure he has the
intelligence to do better than that. Lets hear the personal things he has
done and how they worked for him. We want positive things here, not negative
things. Negative things do nothing for anyone. Negative things will not heal
anyone. Lists will not heal anyone.

   New people come along and think they know it all , without ever doing any
experiments of their own,  and act like all us old timers didn't ever do
anything.  Be fore giving us your great advice, tell us how you determined
that it was correct or shut up. We don't need it, and stop screwing up those
that are trying to heal themselves.

   You are Johnny come latelys and need to spend a couple hundred hours in
the archives (holy smoke, the archives ) before thinking that you know
something that we haven't already done with experiments. There is about five
years worth of good information there. Use it before opening your mouth.


  Bless you,  Bob lee

  oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast
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Re: CSSome info please?

[Malcolm Stebbins]

Hi Beth;  I believbe there are some good posts and references to sites
that give instructions for making your own generator, all located in the
archives which you can get to with the link posted at the bottom.
Several folks on the list are real experts on the subject, as you read
the posts you'll get a feel for who knows what they're talking about;
check out their past posts, or just ask them.
Take care, Malcolm

Beth wrote:

   Also, I would like more info on making CS. Is there a website to
 help me out. I am clueless about it and am new to this board.
 Thanks. Beth Brawnhttp://5pillars.com/healthyfinances/



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Re: CSSome info please?

[Marshalee Hallett]

  Got to go, county folks are coming to check out potential fire ants on the 
property.
   
  John

  Do you think CS in sugar water would kill fire ants? Or at least some 
Nutrasweet.?
  Marshalee

Re: CSSome info please?

[Marshalee Hallett]

  Also, I would like more info on making CS. Is there a website to help me out. 
I am clueless about it and am new to this board. Thanks.

  Beth Brawn

  Dear Beth, Here are the directions I give to new folks, maybe they`ll help 
you, too!
  Love,
  Marshalee

  Here`s how to make Colloidal Silver:

  You`ll need 3 nine-volt batteries, the square ones. 
(the Lithiums last 4 times longer than the alkalines, if you can afford 
them;
they are about 21 bucks at Radio Shack)
  2  five inch pieces of pure silver wire, 14 gauge, .999 fine, (not sterling
as it has other metals in it.)
  2 alligator clips, (the kind with 2 clips on either end of a plastic coated
wire, 2 sets actually, also available at the Shack)
  2 cups of distilled water in a glass measuring cup, (I always use glass to
make CS in. I have a cup used solely for making my CS.)
  A new green scrubber, just for this purpose.
  An empty water bottle to store your finished CS in. A pop top plastic bottle 
is just fine.

Rinse the cup and storage bottle with distilled water to remove any dust or
  soap residue.
   Take the batteries and snap them together, one upside down on top of the 
other two.
  This will leave two empty posts on the batteries. 
  Connect the silver wires to the posts with the two alligator clips.
  Drop the wires into the water, with about 4 inches submerged, and about 1
  inch apart.
  As they tend to float around, you can put a candycane bend in the top of the 
wires
  and hang that over the lip of the cup, with the connectors hooked to the 
bend. Don`t let the connectors get into the water.
It is now working. You can`t get shocked by it.
  Now leave it and time for 30 minutes. You may notice some bubbles coming off
  one wire, and fine wisps of gold coming off the other, that is the Colloid
  forming! The bubbles are hydrogen, from the water. There will be a buildup
  of fuzz on one wire, that is silver oxide. It is harmless, but you can wipe 
it off
  with a paper towel. Replace the wires, and time for another 30 minutes. This 
one hour activation gives a CS of about 18 PPM.  The longer it works, the 
higher the PPM.
When finished, wipe off the wires with a paper towel, then with the green
  scrubber until the wires are shiny again, and detach the batteries. Store it 
all in a ziploc bag to keep it handy. The finished CS doesn`t need to be 
refrigerated. If you keep the bottle out where you see it, you`ll remember to 
take it!
   I take 3 big swallows a day for an active infection, sometimes even more. 
(My swallow is about 1/3 of a cup.) The silver particles are fine enough to be 
easily excreted, so taking more won`t hurt. If you hold the CS in your mouth 
for a few minutes, it will clean your mouth nicely.
  I take one swallow a day for a preventive. I use it topically too, and even 
in the
  eyes. It is mild and doesn`t sting. Splash some in the pits for a natural 
deodorant. It is bacteria that causes BO, and since CS kills the bacteria, no 
BO!
  CS doesn`t taste too bad either. Some folks notice a metallic tang, others 
don`t. I`ll slap some on my skin for a sunburn, and will be tan the next day. I 
use it for bug bites and stings too. Canker sores respond quickly. 
  I have used CS for my pet birds, and always put some in the water bowl for my 
Pug dogs. CS is even good for cut flowers, they will last for weeks. It is 
bacteria that actually kills fresh-cut flowers.
  It can be sprayed on houseplants with fungus or rust. A dollop in the milk 
jug keeps the milk fresh for a long time.
  There are lots more uses for CS in the body and around the house.
  Any place bacteria live can benefit from CS.
   

Re: CSSome info please?

[bonnie schmidlkofer]

Do you think CS in sugar water would kill fire ants? Or at least some 
Nutrasweet.

I've fed my fire ants aspartame, and it slowed them down severely.  Their nests 
tend to be very large, I probably didn't give them enough to do them all in.  
That reminds me, I'm going to go and give them another treat..

Bonnie

Re: CSSome info please?

[Diane]

okay you two... get over it. 
I am new to the list...and very very interested on how this product can help 
me. I have just bought my first bottle. I have the dental things bad...and even 
broken ones that I am sure I am full of mercury. I am going ahead and using 
this...but very interested in what everyone things the issuses good and bad 
are I realize that everyone is just giving an OPPINION.  I have other aches 
and pains... that I hope this will help or heal the problems. 

thanks for everything from everyone.

with saddness that we lost one and injured the other  US missionaries from 
Kansas that have been overseas. saddness about Palistine and Israel and other 
countries. Please guys let us love one another...forgive and forget. 
thanks
diane
  - Original Message - 
  From: John Reeder 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 8:43 AM
  Subject: RE: CSSome info please?


  Hello all,

  Apparently, Mr Lee has a problem. I haven't stated anything negative about 
cs, I am a firm
  believer in its ability to heal and to keep one healthy. I have experiences 
with cs healing and
  have stated them on this forum in the past (although, I am a relatively new 
member). I and
  my friends use cs on an ongoing basis. And, I certainly didn't mean to get 
him upset

  Mr Lee appears to be the type who loves to argue and fight, from reading the 
tenor his posts.
  I simply posted a medical link (seemingly a reasonable link) and questioned 
(or should I say,
  dared to question his somewhat irrational post). I love stories such as he 
told about the hairy
  green meat, but run into problems when I try to justify my beliefs in cs to 
my rational friends 
  with stories such as that. For daring to question, I am called a liar. I 
thought that this forum
  was a 'give and take' forum where we could all investigate, dare to question, 
comment, and 
  check out the veracity of others' statements. If my Lee was in my classroom 
and was given 
  a WebQuest assignment about this whole scenario (as an uninvolved 
investigator), he would 
  be in the 'C- to D' range grade-wise right now.

  I refuse to enter into that and will not respond to his personal problems or 
his agenda.

  Out of here, lurking from now on, or at least until I have read several 
hundred hours of archives
  per Mr Lee's prescription (thought that I had already done that, but didn't 
keep track of how
  many hours I spent in the archives - my wife would disagree, she says I spend 
too much time on
  the cs site as it is). Oh well.

  Got to go, county folks are coming to check out potential fire ants on the 
property.

  John
-Original Message-
From: Tai-Pan [mailto:l...@fbtc.net]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 1:30 AM
To: silver-list
Subject: Re: CSSome info please?


 Hi all, 
 I will take this moment to apologize to the membership. John has totally 
peed me off with his uninformed comments and the harm he has done to the good 
people on this list who are looking for help. For someone like him to come 
along and criticize our people , and just give endless lists of links is a 
great disservice to all of the members. I'm sure he has the intelligence to do 
better than that. Lets hear the personal things he has done and how they worked 
for him. We want positive things here, not negative things. Negative things do 
nothing for anyone. Negative things will not heal anyone. Lists will not heal 
anyone. 

 New people come along and think they know it all , without ever doing any 
experiments of their own,  and act like all us old timers didn't ever do 
anything.  Be fore giving us your great advice, tell us how you determined that 
it was correct or shut up. We don't need it, and stop screwing up those that 
are trying to heal themselves. 

 You are Johnny come latelys and need to spend a couple hundred hours in 
the archives (holy smoke, the archives ) before thinking that you know 
something that we haven't already done with experiments. There is about five 
years worth of good information there. Use it before opening your mouth. 


Bless you,  Bob lee 

oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast 
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Re: CSSome info please?

[Marshall Dudley]

Either or both might work.

Marshall

Marshalee Hallett wrote:

   Got to go, county folks are coming to check out potential
  fire ants on the property.JohnDo you think CS in sugar water
  would kill fire ants? Or at least some Nutrasweet.?Marshalee

RE: CSSome info please?

[John Reeder]

That is a good question. It turns out the ants were Argentine ants, so, a
degree of relief.
The county lady told me that fire ants eat protein. I guess a chunk of meat
dosed with
cs would be the bait. Worth a try. Trouble is, I don't have any fire ants to
try it on.
Maybe I'll try the Argentine ants, they are omnivores from what I hear.

John
  -Original Message-
  From: Marshalee Hallett [mailto:liah...@utah-inter.net]
  Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 9:47 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSSome info please?



Got to go, county folks are coming to check out potential fire ants on
the property.

John

Do you think CS in sugar water would kill fire ants? Or at least some
Nutrasweet.?
Marshalee

Re: CSSome info please?

[Marshall Dudley]

Neutrasweet might work well also since it is also a protein, or at least
an amino acid.

Marshall

John Reeder wrote:

 That is a good question. It turns out the ants were Argentine ants,
 so, a degree of relief.The county lady told me that fire ants eat
 protein. I guess a chunk of meat dosed withcs would be the bait. Worth
 a try. Trouble is, I don't have any fire ants to try it on.Maybe I'll
 try the Argentine ants, they are omnivores from what I hear.John

  -Original Message-
  From: Marshalee Hallett [mailto:liah...@utah-inter.net]
  Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 9:47 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSSome info please?


Got to go, county folks are coming to check out
   potential fire ants on the property.JohnDo you
   think CS in sugar water would kill fire ants? Or
   at least some Nutrasweet.?Marshalee

Re: CSSome info please?

[Jack Dayton]

Lady B wrote:

THANK YOU to everyone for your excellent info!

Now I need to spend quite a bit of time looking through all the info and
taking the stuff and see what happens. I have always had sinus and allergy
problems and ANY improvement would be thrilling.

Hi Beth, 
about the allergy problems you mentioned, if the are pollen related I might
have an answer for you.

Let me know

Jack 


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Re: CSSome info please?

[Jack Dayton]

Hi John.

I would try soaking pieces of bread rather than meat, it will hold more
silver.
But it would seem to be a waste of time. unless the ants rely on a form of
bacteria 
in their stomachs for digestion. If that were the case, then they might
starve to
death with the bacteria dead.   Sounds good to me :-).

Jack

From: John Reeder jree...@sbcglobal.net
Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:11:08 -0700

That is a good question. It turns out the ants were Argentine ants, so, a
degree of relief.
The county lady told me that fire ants eat protein. I guess a chunk of meat
dosed with
cs would be the bait. Worth a try. Trouble is, I don't have any fire ants to
try it on.
Maybe I'll try the Argentine ants, they are omnivores from what I hear.
 
John

Re: CSSome info please?

[CKing001]

Diane
Because I make my own CS, I have quantities to waste. 
I have opted to take a prophylactic amount daily of a shot glassful.
By swishing in the mouth and gargling briefly before swallowing, I am also
treating my gums , teeth, tongue and throat daily.
As a result, I notice no tartar buildup, no breath odor, no tongue coating and
of course I don't come down with colds or flu.

Chuck
The last fight was my fault. My wife asked, What's on the TV? I said, Dust!


On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 10:56:49 -0700, Diane diane...@earthlink.net wrote:

okay you two... get over it. 
I am new to the list...and very very interested on how this product can help 
me. I have just bought my first bottle. I have the dental things bad...and 
even broken ones that I am sure I am full of mercury. I am going ahead and 
using this...but very interested in what everyone things the issuses good and 
bad are I realize that everyone is just giving an OPPINION.  I have other 
aches and pains... that I hope this will help or heal the problems. 

thanks for everything from everyone.


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RE: CSSome info please?

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

Yawn.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: John Reeder [mailto:jree...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 9:44 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSSome info please?

Hello all,

Apparently, Mr Lee has a problem. I haven't stated anything negative about
cs, I am a firm
believer in its ability to heal and to keep one healthy. I have experiences
with cs healing and
have stated them on this forum in the past (although, I am a relatively new
member). I and
my friends use cs on an ongoing basis. And, I certainly didn't mean to get
him upset

Mr Lee appears to be the type who loves to argue and fight, from reading the
tenor his posts.
I simply posted a medical link (seemingly a reasonable link) and questioned
(or should I say,
dared to question his somewhat irrational post). I love stories such as he
told about the hairy
green meat, but run into problems when I try to justify my beliefs in cs to
my rational friends
with stories such as that. For daring to question, I am called a liar. I
thought that this forum
was a 'give and take' forum where we could all investigate, dare to
question, comment, and
check out the veracity of others' statements. If my Lee was in my classroom
and was given
a WebQuest assignment about this whole scenario (as an uninvolved
investigator), he would
be in the 'C- to D' range grade-wise right now.

I refuse to enter into that and will not respond to his personal problems or
his agenda.

Out of here, lurking from now on, or at least until I have read several
hundred hours of archives
per Mr Lee's prescription (thought that I had already done that, but didn't
keep track of how
many hours I spent in the archives - my wife would disagree, she says I
spend too much time on
the cs site as it is). Oh well.

Got to go, county folks are coming to check out potential fire ants on the
property.

John
-Original Message-
From: Tai-Pan [mailto:l...@fbtc.net]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 1:30 AM
To: silver-list
Subject: Re: CSSome info please?
 Hi all,
 I will take this moment to apologize to the membership. John has totally
peed me off with his uninformed comments and the harm he has done to the
good people on this list who are looking for help. For someone like him to
come along and criticize our people , and just give endless lists of links
is a great disservice to all of the members. I'm sure he has the
intelligence to do better than that. Lets hear the personal things he has
done and how they worked for him. We want positive things here, not negative
things. Negative things do nothing for anyone. Negative things will not heal
anyone. Lists will not heal anyone.
 New people come along and think they know it all , without ever doing any
experiments of their own,  and act like all us old timers didn't ever do
anything.  Be fore giving us your great advice, tell us how you determined
that it was correct or shut up. We don't need it, and stop screwing up those
that are trying to heal themselves.
 You are Johnny come latelys and need to spend a couple hundred hours in the
archives (holy smoke, the archives ) before thinking that you know something
that we haven't already done with experiments. There is about five years
worth of good information there. Use it before opening your mouth.

Bless you,  Bob lee
oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast
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RE: CSSome info please?

[John Reeder]

Re: CSSome info please?Thanks Jack,

CS soaked bread for the ants, that will be interesting. I haven't looked up
Argentine ants yet, but am heading that way.

John
  -Original Message-
  From: Jack Dayton [mailto:jack...@harbornet.com]
  Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 5:30 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSSome info please?


  Hi John.

  I would try soaking pieces of bread rather than meat, it will hold more
silver.
  But it would seem to be a waste of time. unless the ants rely on a form of
bacteria
  in their stomachs for digestion. If that were the case, then they might
starve to
  death with the bacteria dead.   Sounds good to me :-).

  Jack


From: John Reeder jree...@sbcglobal.net
Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:11:08 -0700

That is a good question. It turns out the ants were Argentine ants, so,
a degree of relief.
The county lady told me that fire ants eat protein. I guess a chunk of
meat dosed with
cs would be the bait. Worth a try. Trouble is, I don't have any fire
ants to try it on.
Maybe I'll try the Argentine ants, they are omnivores from what I hear.


  John

Re: CSSome info please?

[Joseph Fritz]

At 10:46 AM 6/7/2002 -0600, you wrote:


Got to go, county folks are coming to check out potential fire ants on 
the property.


John

Do you think CS in sugar water would kill fire ants? Or at least some 
Nutrasweet.?

Marshalee


I used a recipe I got off the list had molasses sugar and yeast in it 
worked real good took about a week seemed like I was feeding ants till then

Sincerely
Joseph Fritz

Re: CSSome info please?

[Malcolm Stebbins]

Hi Beth, more testimonials, but yes it works topically at the least, and
probably helps by mouth.
There's some good info on a patented (by a M.D.) use of  a bandage made of
nylon impregnated  with silver on a site called silverlon.  There are a
number of good peer reviewed references on that site that examine the way
the silver particles work to not only eliminate infection but also to
promote healing.

http://www.silverlon.com/studies.html

Take care,  Malcolm

Lady B wrote:

 THANK YOU to everyone for your excellent info!

 Now I need to spend quite a bit of time looking through all the info and
 taking the stuff and see what happens. I have always had sinus and
 allergy problems and ANY improvement would be thrilling.

 Aso, my boyfriend is having sinus surgery tomorrow and I'm pretty sure
 that I can get him to try it too. He has suffered from extreme problems
 for years...as well as having depression and anxiety which he believes
 may have been aggrevated by not being able to breathe properly.

 BTWto those of you still thinking about the ears thing..when
 Jeff used hydrogen peroxide to clean out his ear wax he DID feel a lot
 better (less sinus congestion) for a couple of days! Maybe the ears are
 a key? I never thought about that before.

 Well, if this stuff works, I will be SO excited!
 I'm not sure if I feel competent enough to try making my own CS though.
 Is it really easy?

 Take care,

 Beth



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Re: CSSome info please?

[Beth]

Another great thing for cleaning out ear wax is ear candles. You can buy them 
on line or at a health store. They are inexpensive and may help alleviate sinus 
pressure. I use them several times a year.

Also, I would like more info on making CS. Is there a website to help me out. I 
am clueless about it and am new to this board. Thanks.

Beth Brawn
http://5pillars.com/healthyfinances/ 

  - Original Message - 
  From: Malcolm Stebbins 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 8:25 PM
  Subject: Re: CSSome info please?


  Hi Beth, more testimonials, but yes it works topically at the least, and
  probably helps by mouth.
  There's some good info on a patented (by a M.D.) use of  a bandage made of
  nylon impregnated  with silver on a site called silverlon.  There are a
  number of good peer reviewed references on that site that examine the way
  the silver particles work to not only eliminate infection but also to
  promote healing.

  http://www.silverlon.com/studies.html

  Take care,  Malcolm

  Lady B wrote:

   THANK YOU to everyone for your excellent info!
  
   Now I need to spend quite a bit of time looking through all the info and
   taking the stuff and see what happens. I have always had sinus and
   allergy problems and ANY improvement would be thrilling.
  
   Aso, my boyfriend is having sinus surgery tomorrow and I'm pretty sure
   that I can get him to try it too. He has suffered from extreme problems
   for years...as well as having depression and anxiety which he believes
   may have been aggrevated by not being able to breathe properly.
  
   BTWto those of you still thinking about the ears thing..when
   Jeff used hydrogen peroxide to clean out his ear wax he DID feel a lot
   better (less sinus congestion) for a couple of days! Maybe the ears are
   a key? I never thought about that before.
  
   Well, if this stuff works, I will be SO excited!
   I'm not sure if I feel competent enough to try making my own CS though.
   Is it really easy?
  
   Take care,
  
   Beth
  


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RE: CSSome info please?

[John Reeder]

Hello Beth,

Try:

http://www.silver-colloids.com/

http://www.aa-micro.com/

http://silverdata.20m.com/nebulizers.html

There are lots more.

John
  -Original Message-
  From: Beth [mailto:b...@sysr.com]
  Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:20 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSSome info please?


  Another great thing for cleaning out ear wax is ear candles. You can buy
them on line or at a health store. They are inexpensive and may help
alleviate sinus pressure. I use them several times a year.

  Also, I would like more info on making CS. Is there a website to help me
out. I am clueless about it and am new to this board. Thanks.

  Beth Brawn
  http://5pillars.com/healthyfinances/

- Original Message -
From: Malcolm Stebbins
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: CSSome info please?


Hi Beth, more testimonials, but yes it works topically at the least, and
probably helps by mouth.
There's some good info on a patented (by a M.D.) use of  a bandage made
of
nylon impregnated  with silver on a site called silverlon.  There are a
number of good peer reviewed references on that site that examine the
way
the silver particles work to not only eliminate infection but also to
promote healing.

http://www.silverlon.com/studies.html

Take care,  Malcolm

Lady B wrote:

 THANK YOU to everyone for your excellent info!

 Now I need to spend quite a bit of time looking through all the info
and
 taking the stuff and see what happens. I have always had sinus and
 allergy problems and ANY improvement would be thrilling.

 Aso, my boyfriend is having sinus surgery tomorrow and I'm pretty sure
 that I can get him to try it too. He has suffered from extreme
problems
 for years...as well as having depression and anxiety which he believes
 may have been aggrevated by not being able to breathe properly.

 BTWto those of you still thinking about the ears thing..when
 Jeff used hydrogen peroxide to clean out his ear wax he DID feel a lot
 better (less sinus congestion) for a couple of days! Maybe the ears
are
 a key? I never thought about that before.

 Well, if this stuff works, I will be SO excited!
 I'm not sure if I feel competent enough to try making my own CS
though.
 Is it really easy?

 Take care,

 Beth



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Re: CSSome info please?

[Gary Green]

On Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 12:18 PM, AVRA / Jason wrote:


I suppose men who kiss a woman's
hand in a ballroom are also worried about knives or guns being pulled?


No, it's generally because they want to score.

Perhaps a seargant is afraid that his troops are going to shoot him 
during a

salute?


Lifting helmet visors is the reason for the salute.  Learned that one in 
the USAF, a great waste of life.




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Re: CSSome info please?

[Gary Green]

On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 11:01 AM, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:


Gary,
is chiropactory helpful for high blood pressure?


Hello,

The practice of Chiropractic is called Chiropractic.

You would be better off adopting a low carbohydrate diet.  Get to the 
source of the problem.



I've already found out that accupuncture is not.


In my experience, accupunture has temporary benefits at best.





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Re: CSSome info please?

[CKing001]

On Fri, 3 May 2002 14:33:55 +0800, Gary Green lim...@pc.jaring.my wrote:

The practice of Chiropractic is called Chiropractic.
Thanks
You would be better off adopting a low carbohydrate diet.  Get to the 
source of the problem.
Done that...
This is a tough case.
So the answer is no??
Chuck
A boiled egg in the morning is hard to beat.


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[AVRA / Jason]

Hi Gary,

http://www.hcrc.org/contrib/ramey/magnet.html

Here's a good overview article with references.

In the event you'd like to research it yourself further, here's a link with
some very solid resources:

http://www.angelfire.com/ct/halevi/magnets.html

However, I'd like to caution that very few researchers seem to have a handle
on what Becker was saying in his two ground-breaking works.

You know, back home growing up, I used to go to a chiropractor in my home
town that used a static electricity generator device.  Ever seen one of
those?  He would use his left hand on a machine with a circular disk
attached via an extending arm ( the left hand acting as the ground or
negative pole, same reason we shake right hands and not left ), he would
rotate the disk and thus generate a static field, then he would use his
first and forefinger on the right hand to feel the electrical field of the
body.  Pretty interesting stuff.  The principles, I'd bet, are the same.  It
seems to me he could diagnose virtually anything, even colds, flues, and
infections.

The reason I'm much more cautious about electromagnetics than many, is that
when you deal with small amounts of energy, the standing waves that can be
created are a whole unexplored world.  It's just like hypnosis cases gone
wrong; there is alot of this wonderful universe we just don't have a clue
with!  I've seen ( what I hypothesize as ) standing waves generated by a
person literally blow lights out in a house; I've used a similiar technique
to render an individual unconscious by ( I theorize ) electromagnetic
hypnosis with the assistance of a bioelectric shield.  My own personal
inquiries in the past have been subjective.

Having ( hopefully! ) piqued your curiosity, since this is a bit off topic,
I'll let the matter rest!  The scope of the project that I hope to undertake
will be equal to the Colloidal Silver Database Website ( the layout which is
now about 2/3 done ), in that it falls within my personal objectives, the
study of extremely affordable methods and substances for personal growth and
healing.

Jason




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From: Gary Green lim...@pc.jaring.my
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: CSSome info please?



 On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 12:56 AM, AVRA / Jason wrote:
   I've been impressed with the real research I've seen -- enough to
  slate it for a full study project in the future, although I will be
  making
  my own devices ( the prices for medical magnets are nearly criminal ).

 Jason,
 Thank you for this post.  I'd be interested in seeing this research.
 Where is it at?


 As I've said here before, I'm a Chiropractor with a sound scientific
 base to draw on.  I didn't take the short-cut route when it came to my
 pre-med studies either.  I took the full courses in university AND an
 additional year for mathematics and other things that interested me.
 The real world has rules that can't be broken.  However I accept that
 there are some rules that haven't been discovered yet.

 Also, when I graduated from High School I studied Aircraft Electronics
 and made a living as a spark chaser for a few years.  I understand
 electronics a bit also but it's been over 20 years.

  Both The Body Electric and Cross Currents, by Dr. Robert O. Becker (
  available new and used at Amazon.com ) offer an emmense amount of food
  for
  thought, all based on authentic scientific inquiry,

 Yes, I read these books when I was in Chiropractic school and they
 really piqued my curiosity but I didn't have any resources to follow up
 on so it eventually got dropped.  I really wanted AND still do want to
 understand how I can use microcurrents to accelerate my patients healing.

  although I was greatly
  displeased that Becker chose not include actual magnetic research in his
  book.  Careful study of his works can also steer one in a more correct
  avenue of research, especially concerning electrical devices and the
  very
  real risks involved in using experimental devices.

 Except for his books, where else can I look for info on his work?

 Thanks again for a really great post.

 Gary



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Re: CSSome info please?

[Gary Green]

On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 08:04 PM, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:


Done that...
This is a tough case.


Low Carb is a tough diet.  If you have truly, truly done that and done 
it for a few months then you had better find out exactly why it's high.



So the answer is no??


In my opinion that is correct.  Ask 99 Chiros a single question, get 110 
different answers.




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[Gary Green]

On Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 01:41 AM, AVRA / Jason wrote:


( the left hand acting as the ground or
negative pole, same reason we shake right hands and not left ),


Er... actually since we are mostly right-handed, we shake the right arm 
(started in the old days) to see if any weapons fall out.  I also did 
some fencing in my younger days (foil only) and that is part of 
weapons-lore.




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[CKing001]

On Sat, 4 May 2002 08:31:01 +0800, Gary Green lim...@pc.jaring.my wrote:

Low Carb is a tough diet. 
I've been a proponent of low carb eating for several years. Atkins , Eades'
Protein Power etc.  
Sugar BAD! White Flour BAD! Potatoes BAD!

 If you have truly, truly done that and done 
it for a few months then you had better find out exactly why it's high.
That's what I tell my doc. He thinks its a beta-blocker deficiency.

 So the answer is no??

In my opinion that is correct.  Ask 99 Chiros a single question, get 110 
different answers.
Pretty good average. I get 110 different answers to one question from my wife!

Chuck

And when God, who created the entire universe with all of its glories,
decides to deliver a message to humanity, He WILL NOT use, as His
messenger, a person on cable TV with a bad hairstyle.


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[AVRA / Jason]

Very true! ...which is the same reason that most people are right-handed.

Besides, that's only a poor anthropoligists explanation made long before
right and left brain theory developed.  I suppose men who kiss a woman's
hand in a ballroom are also worried about knives or guns being pulled?
Perhaps a seargant is afraid that his troops are going to shoot him during a
salute?

You'll note that in cultures that are far more civilized the single
handshake is not predominant; as well as highly developed spiritual
cultures.  BOTH hands are employed.  Left to left yields no energy.

None of this is coincidence; as Pythagoras once stated, nature geometrizes.
This includes human biology and even human psychology.

Try some left handed shakes...  If you are perceptive, you'll see the
difference ( it is the same even with those, like myself, who are left
handed ).



 Er... actually since we are mostly right-handed, we shake the right arm
 (started in the old days) to see if any weapons fall out.  I also did
 some fencing in my younger days (foil only) and that is part of
 weapons-lore.



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[Gary Green]

On Tuesday, April 30, 2002, at 03:13 PM, M. G. Devour wrote:


The assertion, as I understand it, is that the ear
canal and/or inner ear sometimes incubate infections, and the peroxide
oxygenates the area, by both direct contact and diffusion, presumably.


Middle ear maybe, but inner ear?


I've tried it quite a few times and it seems to reduce the duration and
severity of URI's, even preventing them, if caught early enough, and
reduces congestion and sneezing from allergies. But of course that is
all subjective, without control.


Again, doesn't make sense to me but like I said, I'm here to learn.  
What works, works.  Science is only supposed to offer explanations.


Keep your science and medical training handy, but don't be surprised
by what you will hear here in the hinterlands of alt-med. Some of it is
ignorance, some hype... and some is real. It's often hard to tell which
is which!


Well, when I saw all the testimonials for CS and I saw they were 
teaching us how to make it, that passed my B.S. filter and allowed the 
message to enter.  I then tried it in a nebulizer.  I should say that 
normally after flu or colds it will make it's way to my lungs and leave 
me coughing up sputum for months.  Using CS and a cheap nebulizer I 
cleared my lungs within a few days.  Backing that us is everything on 
the CS Database and a LOT of stuff sent to me by Terry Chamberlin.  
Terry also took the time to answer all my questions, even the ones that 
could have been answered by a closer reading of the info he sent me.  A 
BIG public thanks goes to Terry Chamberlin.


CS makes sense to me from both a scientific viewpoint and a practical 
one, it works.  I'm sold.  Now on to Ozone, Zappers, Pulsers and even 
maybe magnets but don't hold your breath waiting for me to be sold on 
that last one.  I had one CS-Lister email me off list (don't even 
remember who) in a bit of a huff that I dare doubt his magnets.  No 
proof, no research, no facts just . huff.  No proof there.  CS has 
lots of proof.


Thanks for a great list with great people.

Gary.


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[AVRA / Jason]

Gary:

There is no doubt that the magnet world is full of opportunistic parasites.
However, I've been impressed with the real research I've seen -- enough to
slate it for a full study project in the future, although I will be making
my own devices ( the prices for medical magnets are nearly criminal ).

Most people involved with magnetic devices, and even electrical devices like
Rife and Beck devices, don't have a handle on the science involved...  All
of this stuff is an emerging science, and I haven't been impressed with the
POPULAR research, as it is not founded in a complete and basic model;  the
research has not been done on a cellular level.  Why one would practice a
cellular medicine without doing cellular research ( mainly I'm talking about
companies marketing products ) is beyond me.

The biomagnetic connection explains many mysteries that otherwise have
defied even plausible explanation, scientific or otherwise.

Both The Body Electric and Cross Currents, by Dr. Robert O. Becker (
available new and used at Amazon.com ) offer an emmense amount of food for
thought, all based on authentic scientific inquiry, although I was greatly
displeased that Becker chose not include actual magnetic research in his
book.  Careful study of his works can also steer one in a more correct
avenue of research, especially concerning electrical devices and the very
real risks involved in using experimental devices.

Jason


- Original Message -
From: Gary Green lim...@pc.jaring.my
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:22 AM
Subject: Re: CSSome info please?



 On Tuesday, April 30, 2002, at 03:13 PM, M. G. Devour wrote:

  The assertion, as I understand it, is that the ear
  canal and/or inner ear sometimes incubate infections, and the peroxide
  oxygenates the area, by both direct contact and diffusion, presumably.

 Middle ear maybe, but inner ear?

  I've tried it quite a few times and it seems to reduce the duration and
  severity of URI's, even preventing them, if caught early enough, and
  reduces congestion and sneezing from allergies. But of course that is
  all subjective, without control.

 Again, doesn't make sense to me but like I said, I'm here to learn.
 What works, works.  Science is only supposed to offer explanations.
 
  Keep your science and medical training handy, but don't be surprised
  by what you will hear here in the hinterlands of alt-med. Some of it is
  ignorance, some hype... and some is real. It's often hard to tell which
  is which!

 Well, when I saw all the testimonials for CS and I saw they were
 teaching us how to make it, that passed my B.S. filter and allowed the
 message to enter.  I then tried it in a nebulizer.  I should say that
 normally after flu or colds it will make it's way to my lungs and leave
 me coughing up sputum for months.  Using CS and a cheap nebulizer I
 cleared my lungs within a few days.  Backing that us is everything on
 the CS Database and a LOT of stuff sent to me by Terry Chamberlin.
 Terry also took the time to answer all my questions, even the ones that
 could have been answered by a closer reading of the info he sent me.  A
 BIG public thanks goes to Terry Chamberlin.

 CS makes sense to me from both a scientific viewpoint and a practical
 one, it works.  I'm sold.  Now on to Ozone, Zappers, Pulsers and even
 maybe magnets but don't hold your breath waiting for me to be sold on
 that last one.  I had one CS-Lister email me off list (don't even
 remember who) in a bit of a huff that I dare doubt his magnets.  No
 proof, no research, no facts just . huff.  No proof there.  CS has
 lots of proof.

 Thanks for a great list with great people.

 Gary.


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[Gary Green]

On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 12:56 AM, AVRA / Jason wrote:

 I've been impressed with the real research I've seen -- enough to
slate it for a full study project in the future, although I will be 
making

my own devices ( the prices for medical magnets are nearly criminal ).


Jason,
Thank you for this post.  I'd be interested in seeing this research.  
Where is it at?


Most people involved with magnetic devices, and even electrical devices 
like

Rife and Beck devices, don't have a handle on the science involved...


As I've said here before, I'm a Chiropractor with a sound scientific 
base to draw on.  I didn't take the short-cut route when it came to my 
pre-med studies either.  I took the full courses in university AND an 
additional year for mathematics and other things that interested me.  
The real world has rules that can't be broken.  However I accept that 
there are some rules that haven't been discovered yet.


Also, when I graduated from High School I studied Aircraft Electronics 
and made a living as a spark chaser for a few years.  I understand 
electronics a bit also but it's been over 20 years.



Both The Body Electric and Cross Currents, by Dr. Robert O. Becker (
available new and used at Amazon.com ) offer an emmense amount of food 
for

thought, all based on authentic scientific inquiry,


Yes, I read these books when I was in Chiropractic school and they 
really piqued my curiosity but I didn't have any resources to follow up 
on so it eventually got dropped.  I really wanted AND still do want to 
understand how I can use microcurrents to accelerate my patients healing.



although I was greatly
displeased that Becker chose not include actual magnetic research in his
book.  Careful study of his works can also steer one in a more correct
avenue of research, especially concerning electrical devices and the 
very

real risks involved in using experimental devices.


Except for his books, where else can I look for info on his work?

Thanks again for a really great post.

Gary



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Re: CSSome info please?

[Gary Green]

On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 12:56 AM, AVRA / Jason wrote:

 I've been impressed with the real research I've seen -- enough to
slate it for a full study project in the future, although I will be 
making

my own devices ( the prices for medical magnets are nearly criminal ).


Jason,
Thank you for this post.  I'd be interested in seeing this research.  
Where is it at?


Most people involved with magnetic devices, and even electrical devices 
like

Rife and Beck devices, don't have a handle on the science involved...


As I've said here before, I'm a Chiropractor with a sound scientific 
base to draw on.  I didn't take the short-cut route when it came to my 
pre-med studies either.  I took the full courses in university AND an 
additional year for mathematics and other things that interested me.  
The real world has rules that can't be broken.  However I accept that 
there are some rules that haven't been discovered yet.


Also, when I graduated from High School I studied Aircraft Electronics 
and made a living as a spark chaser for a few years.  I understand 
electronics a bit also but it's been over 20 years.



Both The Body Electric and Cross Currents, by Dr. Robert O. Becker (
available new and used at Amazon.com ) offer an emmense amount of food 
for

thought, all based on authentic scientific inquiry,


Yes, I read these books when I was in Chiropractic school and they 
really piqued my curiosity but I didn't have any resources to follow up 
on so it eventually got dropped.  I really wanted AND still do want to 
understand how I can use microcurrents to accelerate my patients healing.



although I was greatly
displeased that Becker chose not include actual magnetic research in his
book.  Careful study of his works can also steer one in a more correct
avenue of research, especially concerning electrical devices and the 
very

real risks involved in using experimental devices.


Except for his books, where else can I look for info on his work?

Thanks again for a really great post.

Gary



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Re: CSSome info please?

[CKing001]

Gary,
is chiropactory helpful for high blood pressure?
I've already found out that accupuncture is not.

Chuck

My grandmother started walking five miles a day when she
was 60. She's 97 now and we don't know where the hell she is.

On Fri, 3 May 2002 09:12:55 +0800, Gary Green lim...@pc.jaring.my wrote:

As I've said here before, I'm a Chiropractor with a sound scientific 
base to draw on.  I didn't take the short-cut route when it came to my 
pre-med studies either.  I took the full courses in university AND an 
additional year for mathematics and other things that interested me.  
The real world has rules that can't be broken.  However I accept that 
there are some rules that haven't been discovered yet.


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Re: CSSome info please?

[Duncan Crow]

The Lost Book of Enki has been posted in its entirety in a zip file the
yahoogroup mr_tracys_corner, in the files section.  Happy reading.

Duncan



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Re: CSSome info please?

[Gary Green]

On Tuesday, April 30, 2002, at 11:55 AM, Catherine Creel wrote:



A look at Gray's Anatomy online will show how the
ear is connected to the entire body.


The middle ear, yes has the eustachian tube connecting to the 
nasopharynx, yes, but there is no patent connection directly from the 
outer ear to the middle ear.  The External Auditory Meatus is lined with 
skin and squamous epithelium, neither of which are any degree 
permeable under normal conditions.


BTW, Gray's is ancient and the diagrams, although classic, not the 
best.  I'll take the work of Moore's Clinically Oriented Anatomy any day 
and the medical illustrations of of Frank Netter are without compare.  I 
have several others, many stained with cadaver grease from my days in 
the anatomy labs of the schools I attended.


Now, having said that I am familiar with certain bacteria to which skin 
is not a barrier but if you were to take cultures of the germs that 
inhabit the outer or middle ear I do not believe you would find these 
places incubators of the strains normally associated with either a upper 
or lower UTI.  If I'm wrong that's fine I'm willing to learn but I'm not 
going to just accept anyones word that flies in the face or reason.   
All I'm looking for is an explanation that contains a bit of logic.


Sorry if I'm getting off on the wrong foot here with you good folks but 
I can not just throw an entire body of knowledge out the window along 
with my eight years of formally studying it, just because some one says 
it all aint so.  I'm also willing to learn.  That's why I'm here.


Thank you.

Gary L. Green, B.Sc., D.C.


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Re: CSSome info please?

[M. G. Devour]

Greetings Gary,

If I read the thread right, Noel, who first mentioned UTI's coming from 
the ears, corrected herself...

http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m47712.html
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m47715.html

... though it's not entirely clear what she meant to say.

We have heard here quite a few times of the benefits of dilute hydrogen
peroxide ear washes. The assertion, as I understand it, is that the ear
canal and/or inner ear sometimes incubate infections, and the peroxide
oxygenates the area, by both direct contact and diffusion, presumably.
If you consider virii and prions in addition to bacteria, it might be
reasonable to expect some benefit from the procedure.

I've tried it quite a few times and it seems to reduce the duration and
severity of URI's, even preventing them, if caught early enough, and
reduces congestion and sneezing from allergies. But of course that is
all subjective, without control.

Keep your science and medical training handy, but don't be surprised 
by what you will hear here in the hinterlands of alt-med. Some of it is 
ignorance, some hype... and some is real. It's often hard to tell which 
is which!

Be well,

Mike D.

 Now, having said that I am familiar with certain bacteria to which
 skin is not a barrier but if you were to take cultures of the germs
 that inhabit the outer or middle ear I do not believe you would find
 these places incubators of the strains normally associated with either
 a upper or lower UTI.  If I'm wrong that's fine I'm willing to learn
 but I'm not going to just accept anyones word that flies in the face
 or reason.   All I'm looking for is an explanation that contains a bit
 of logic.
 
 Sorry if I'm getting off on the wrong foot here with you good folks
 but I can not just throw an entire body of knowledge out the window
 along with my eight years of formally studying it, just because some
 one says it all aint so.  I'm also willing to learn.  That's why I'm
 here.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CSSome info please?

[Kevin Nolan]

Beth,
In reference to using L-Tryptophan for insomnia: on the few
occasions I have tried it, the result was violent nightmares. The owner of
another health related list had the same initial experience, and said that
reaction was quite common. Advice was to start with quite small doses and
gradually work up. This is of course an individual biochemistry kind of
thing.

regards, Kevin Nolan

- Original Message -
From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: CSSome info please?


 Hi Beth ,

 you were asking about silver, and dosages etc..
 well if anyone offers you exact amounts,   be
 careful.  I am rather new to CS, but recently
 I spent almost 3 weeks researching  the
 subject  --  I have learned quite a bit, and
 I will suggest one site which I decided was
 worth listening to, it can be found at ---

 http://silverdata.20m.com

 I found it very comprehensive and very
 believable.

 You also ask about silver's use for anxiety
 and depression  --  I can't see any benefit
 that might result from the use of silver for
 relief, but from my reading, I think I can say
 that I can't see any harm either.  there natural
 substances that should relieve both problems.

 consider using   L-tryptophan -- it one of the 9
 essential Amino acids. It will calm anxiety -
 relieve depression, and when taken about bed
 time, will really help you get to sleep.
 It is not easy to find, but it can be ordered at:

 http://www.biochemicals.com/orderonline.php3

 I hope the above will help you.

 Jack Dayton
 jd...@bigfoot.com


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Re: CSSome info please?

[Jennifer Popp]

Melatonin is a sleep regulator hormone and would work better for insomnia.
Check your local health food store.

I thought I remember some liver toxicity issues with extended or excessive
use of L-Tryptophan, am I remembering correctly. This was back in the late
80's.

Jenn Popp
Healthy Paws Bones and Raw Food Diet
http://www.healthy-paws.ca

- Original Message -
From: Kevin Nolan
| In reference to using L-Tryptophan for insomnia: on the few
| occasions I have tried it, the result was violent nightmares. 



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Re: CSSome info please?

[Kathie Jones]

Melatonin is also very good for inducing sleep naturally, and for calming
nerves.

Kathie



 Beth,
 In reference to using L-Tryptophan for insomnia: on the few
 occasions I have tried it, the result was violent nightmares. The owner of
 another health related list had the same initial experience, and said that
 reaction was quite common. Advice was to start with quite small doses and
 gradually work up. This is of course an individual biochemistry kind of
 thing.

 regards, Kevin Nolan




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Re: CSSome info please?

[Catherine Creel]

Dear Jenn,


  You said:

I thought I remember some liver toxicity issues with extended or excessive
use of L-Tryptophan, am I remembering correctly. This was back in the late
80's.


  You recall correctly; however, that was from an adulterated batch.
No other problems of this type have been apparent.

  I would caution people who are using, or have used SSRI or SNRI
(antidepressants) drugs to use tryptophan with caution.  For those
currently using SSRIs, tryptophan increases the amount of intracellular
serotonin which could result in a toxic or paradoxical reaction.  For those
who have previously taken SSRIs, taking tryptophan can overload the
serotonin transporter system, which in some cases has been structurally
altered, resulting in a paradoxical reaction (aggressiveness, altered sense
of reality, etc.)

  As an aside, SSRIs and SSRIs are dangerous, creating long term
changes in the brain and altering a person's judgement.  If anyone
wants more info, I'd be glad to point you in the right direction.
You can write to me off-list at ccr...@maine.rr.com.

Regards,
Catherine






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Re: CSSome info please?

[CKing001]

Yes, what you say is problematical.
But, I will still not accept from long and highly educated engineers that it is
impossible for the bumblebee to fly, when I am watching it happen in my garden.

CS and/or hydrogen peroxide in the ear will abort a cold or flu.
You are certainly free to come up with your own premise as to how that can
happen, but happen it does.
You don't have to throw out any body of knowledge. Just be sure to continue to
accumulate it.

When I was seventeen, I thought my old man was stupid. Ten years later, I was
amazed at how much he had learned.

Chuck
~ Teamwork is essential. It allows you to blame someone else.


On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:11:45 +0800, Gary Green lim...@pc.jaring.my wrote:

Now, having said that I am familiar with certain bacteria to which skin 
is not a barrier but if you were to take cultures of the germs that 
inhabit the outer or middle ear I do not believe you would find these 
places incubators of the strains normally associated with either a upper 
or lower UTI.  If I'm wrong that's fine I'm willing to learn but I'm not 
going to just accept anyones word that flies in the face or reason.   
All I'm looking for is an explanation that contains a bit of logic.

Sorry if I'm getting off on the wrong foot here with you good folks but 
I can not just throw an entire body of knowledge out the window along 
with my eight years of formally studying it, just because some one says 
it all aint so.  I'm also willing to learn.  That's why I'm here.

Thank you.

Gary L. Green, B.Sc., D.C.


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[CKing001]

Thanks Marshall,
What I was trying to convey though, is that however long and detailed, ones
education is seldom finished.

BTW, are you aware of Sitchin's latest, published this year? The lost book of
Enke? Good price on half.com .
Chuck
~ The secret to success is sincerity, once you can fake that, you've got it
made.

On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 23:05:57 -0400, Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com wrote:

cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

 Yes, what you say is problematical.
 But, I will still not accept from long and highly educated engineers that it 
 is
 impossible for the bumblebee to fly, when I am watching it happen in my 
 garden.

One has to look at the whole picture.  The bumblebee's wings provide too little
lift for them to lift the bumblebee.  But the scientists forgot about the flow 
of
air over it's round body, which provides a significant amount of lift, 
sufficient
to allow it to fly.

Marshall


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Re: CSSome info please?

[Bill Missett]

I have the book, and have read it, and it is for the devoted Sitchin fan.
The full title is The Lost Book of Enki:  Memoirs and Prophecies of an
Extraterrestial God.

I'm sure you recall all the the verses from the Sumerian/Akkadian clay
tablets, which Sitchin liberally sprinkles throughout his text to make his
point with these historical documents.

Well, this book is the entire written record recovered, with (I believe)
some blanks filled in by the good Dr. Sitchin to make better reading sense.

It is not an easy read, because it is written in the arcane verse style of
the period, but you get the flow of it after a while.

It doesn't present his conclusions, or his evidence, just the verse as Enki
had it inscribed 5,000 years ago.  And for anyone to think that it is a
fable or myth, underestimates the written record.

- Original Message -
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: CSSome info please?


 Yes, that book was discussed last friday at our Scallion meeting.  I may
get it. I
 understand it is different than the others, more like a novel.

 Marshall

 cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

  Thanks Marshall,
  What I was trying to convey though, is that however long and detailed,
ones
  education is seldom finished.
 
  BTW, are you aware of Sitchin's latest, published this year? The lost
book of
  Enke? Good price on half.com .
  Chuck
  ~ The secret to success is sincerity, once you can fake that, you've got
it
  made.
 
  On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 23:05:57 -0400, Marshall Dudley
mdud...@execonn.com wrote:
 
  cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
  
   Yes, what you say is problematical.
   But, I will still not accept from long and highly educated engineers
that it is
   impossible for the bumblebee to fly, when I am watching it happen in
my garden.
  
  One has to look at the whole picture.  The bumblebee's wings provide
too little
  lift for them to lift the bumblebee.  But the scientists forgot about
the flow of
  air over it's round body, which provides a significant amount of lift,
sufficient
  to allow it to fly.
  
  Marshall
 
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Re: CSSome info please?

[Marshall Dudley]

cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

 Yes, what you say is problematical.
 But, I will still not accept from long and highly educated engineers that it 
 is
 impossible for the bumblebee to fly, when I am watching it happen in my 
 garden.

One has to look at the whole picture.  The bumblebee's wings provide too little
lift for them to lift the bumblebee.  But the scientists forgot about the flow 
of
air over it's round body, which provides a significant amount of lift, 
sufficient
to allow it to fly.

Marshall


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[Marshall Dudley]

Yes, that book was discussed last friday at our Scallion meeting.  I may get 
it. I
understand it is different than the others, more like a novel.

Marshall

cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

 Thanks Marshall,
 What I was trying to convey though, is that however long and detailed, ones
 education is seldom finished.

 BTW, are you aware of Sitchin's latest, published this year? The lost book of
 Enke? Good price on half.com .
 Chuck
 ~ The secret to success is sincerity, once you can fake that, you've got it
 made.

 On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 23:05:57 -0400, Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com 
 wrote:

 cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
 
  Yes, what you say is problematical.
  But, I will still not accept from long and highly educated engineers that 
  it is
  impossible for the bumblebee to fly, when I am watching it happen in my 
  garden.
 
 One has to look at the whole picture.  The bumblebee's wings provide too 
 little
 lift for them to lift the bumblebee.  But the scientists forgot about the 
 flow of
 air over it's round body, which provides a significant amount of lift, 
 sufficient
 to allow it to fly.
 
 Marshall

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Re: CSSome info please?

[Gary Green]

On Monday, April 29, 2002, at 04:18  AM, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

Another way is to simply use the CS in the ears, because believe it or 
not, that

is the path for most infections.


Hello.

Ears?

You have a canal that dead-ends into a tympanic membrane.  How exactly 
would any pathogen use this as a route?



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Re: CSSome info please?

[Kevin Nolan]

One cheap and easy method for delivery of CS to the sinus is to empty the
saline solution from one of those pump action nasal spray packs, and replace
with CS - use as for the saline solution; ie, snort it up the nose. Some
recommend 50:50 saline/CS, but that way only the minority colloid portion of
your silver will be effective.

Kevin Nolan

- Original Message -
From: Lady B ladybe...@webtv.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 4:14 AM
Subject: CSSome info please?


 Hi, my name is Beth.

 I recently ordered some colloidal silver and wondered if anyone here
 uses it for sinus and/or allergy type of stuff. If so, how do you use it
 and how much and all that?

 I read about it being applied topically and drinking it and don't have a
 clue about what to do. Do you sniff it or drink it or both? LOL I'm
 assuming it comes with directions but would like some advice from
 someone who uses it and how they use it most effectively.

 Does it also help with depression and anxiety at all? I really know
 almost nothing about it except that it supposedly helps with all kinds
 of things.

 Is the theory that it helps if one has a deficiency of silver in their
 system? And how do you know how much you need?

 Sorry! I hate to ask ignorant quesions but I'm hoping your group can
 help me out.   : )

 Thank you!

 Beth


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Re: CSSome info please?

[CKing001]

On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:31:14 +0800, Gary Green lim...@pc.jaring.my wrote:

On Monday, April 29, 2002, at 04:18  AM, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

 Another way is to simply use the CS in the ears, because believe it or 
 not, that
 is the path for most infections.

Hello.

Ears?

You have a canal that dead-ends into a tympanic membrane.  How exactly 
would any pathogen use this as a route?

Gary, it beats me. Perhaps the membrane is permeable, I don't know.
Many discussion groups have touted using hydrogen peroxide (3%) drops in the ear
to shortcut a cold or other virus.

I tried it, it works. So does CS!

It's been said that the ear canal is more of a breeding place than the nose.
Could be...
It makes sense during the flu season to wash your hands and keep them away from
your eyes,ears, nose and mouth.

Chuck
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Re: CSSome info please?

[Noel White]

N ot most infections=== Some=== Urinary track infections do come from
the ear and many others.

Noel


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Re: CSSome info please?

[CKing001]

Can't wait for the questions that  THIS is gonna raise
Chuck
Local Area Network in Australia: the LAN down under.

On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 17:10:59 -0400 (EDT), no...@webtv.net (Noel White) wrote:

N ot most infections=== Some=== Urinary track infections do come from
the ear and many others.

Noel


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Re: CSSome info please?

[Noel White]

CORRECTION;.do not come from the ear.

Noel


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Re: CSSome info please?

[Lady B]

THANK YOU to everyone for your excellent info! 

Now I need to spend quite a bit of time looking through all the info and
taking the stuff and see what happens. I have always had sinus and
allergy problems and ANY improvement would be thrilling.

Aso, my boyfriend is having sinus surgery tomorrow and I'm pretty sure
that I can get him to try it too. He has suffered from extreme problems
for years...as well as having depression and anxiety which he believes
may have been aggrevated by not being able to breathe properly. 

BTWto those of you still thinking about the ears thing..when
Jeff used hydrogen peroxide to clean out his ear wax he DID feel a lot
better (less sinus congestion) for a couple of days! Maybe the ears are
a key? I never thought about that before. 

Well, if this stuff works, I will be SO excited!
I'm not sure if I feel competent enough to try making my own CS though.
Is it really easy?

Take care,

Beth 


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[JJ]

Catherine,

If you have a link handy, posting it would be appreciated.  A Google search
for 'Gray's Anatomy online' listed about 43,000 pages and the first 50 or so
were related mostly to the printed material.

JJ

 -Original Message-
 From: Catherine Creel [mailto:ccr...@maine.rr.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:55 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSSome info please?


 A look at Gray's Anatomy online will show how the
 ear is connected to the entire body.

 Catherine



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[Catherine Creel]

Hi JJ,


http://www.bartleby.com/107/

Gray's Anatomy online

Catherine


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[CKing001]

Hi Beth,
I'm not saying I'm glad you're sick, but at least you have something to work on,
and it'll show you that colloidal silver works.
If  you have an infection, the CS needs to get in physical contact with it, so
your comment about sniffing is a good one. There is a lister that recommends
laying face up on a bed with the head hanging over the side, and inserting nose
drops of CS to get to the sinuses. Expect it to sting a bit.
Another way is to simply use the CS in the ears, because believe it or not, that
is the path for most infections. 
I've used that method with great success!

Lots of us drink a daily dose as a preventative.
If you do this, then swish it around between your teeth and cheeks before
swallowing.
You willl find your breath to be better, your taste better (tongue coating
disappears), and plaque deposits won't build up on your teeth.

You will eventually want to make your own for about a dollar a gallon, rather
than buy it for $20 per ounce, as there are so many ways to use it.

Good luck with your experimenting...

Chuck
I bought some powdered water once
... but I didn't know what to add.
(Steven Wright)

On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:14:48 -0500 (CDT), ladybe...@webtv.net (Lady B) wrote:

I recently ordered some colloidal silver and wondered if anyone here
uses it for sinus and/or allergy type of stuff. If so, how do you use it
and how much and all that? 

I read about it being applied topically and drinking it and don't have a
clue about what to do. Do you sniff it or drink it or both? LOL I'm
assuming it comes with directions but would like some advice from
someone who uses it and how they use it most effectively.   

Does it also help with depression and anxiety at all? I really know
almost nothing about it except that it supposedly helps with all kinds
of things.


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Re: CSSome info please?

[Jack Dayton]

Hi Beth ,

you were asking about silver, and dosages etc..
well if anyone offers you exact amounts,   be
careful.  I am rather new to CS, but recently
I spent almost 3 weeks researching  the
subject  --  I have learned quite a bit, and
I will suggest one site which I decided was
worth listening to, it can be found at ---

http://silverdata.20m.com

I found it very comprehensive and very
believable.

You also ask about silver's use for anxiety
and depression  --  I can't see any benefit
that might result from the use of silver for
relief, but from my reading, I think I can say
that I can't see any harm either.  there natural
substances that should relieve both problems.

consider using   L-tryptophan -- it one of the 9
essential Amino acids. It will calm anxiety -
relieve depression, and when taken about bed
time, will really help you get to sleep.
It is not easy to find, but it can be ordered at:

http://www.biochemicals.com/orderonline.php3

I hope the above will help you.

Jack Dayton
jd...@bigfoot.com


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Re: CSSome info please?

[Russ Rosser]

You also ask about silver's use for anxiety
and depression  --  I can't see any benefit
that might result from the use of silver for
relief...

I can--indirectly.  As far back as Spinoza, physical vitality has been
associated with phychological well-being, and the lack of it with
depression.  Energy yields optimism.  Systemic infections, including
chronic, sub-clinical ones, can express themselves as fatigue  malaise.
Many people take CS daily, not against specific maladies, but because they
report feeling generally better; I attribute this to CS' eradicating
multifarious, inveterate, persistent, un-diagnosed infections that they
didn't know they had.

--Russ


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