CS>insight from energy medicine perspective
Christine wrote: An insight from an energy medicine perspective.<< I have enjoyed this piece of advice to the fullest, and I wonder where we can obtain more of it. Wish we would be able to think more along these lines of revelation. Faith Saint Francis, "Healing Hands" _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>insight from energy medicine perspective
Christine wrote: An insight from an energy medicine perspective.<< I have enjoyed this piece of advice to the fullest, and I wonder where we can obtain more of it. Wish we would be able to think more along these lines of revelation. Fairth Saint Francis, "Healing Hands" _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Simple Eye Experiments May Provide Insight About Selected CS Preps
BTW, I had a metal splinter removed from my eye a couple of days ago, and was prescribed a topical anti-biotic, but instead used 30 ppm CS. No problems. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Simple Eye Experiments May Provide Insight About Selected CS Preps
In a message dated 6/12/01 11:54:01 PM EST, a...@cybermesa.com writes: << Subj: RE: CS>Saline Starter Solutions: Do They Deserve Another Look? Date: 6/12/01 11:54:01 PM EST From: a...@cybermesa.com (James Osbourne, Holmes) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Yes. Much has been done in vitro. Everyone agrees, especially in broth, that it immobilizes most stuff very quickly. Dr. Flick says his group have yet to find a bacteria that it does not kill. The work to be done with people is for those with more knowledge and resources than myself. Several reports of sty success exist on this list archives. I have seen several nasty unidentified external eye infections cured rapidly. If someone will come up with a plan, I will participate to the extent that I can steal the time. My only avocation these days is this list; the rest of my day is eaten by "haftas". Hafta do this, hafta do that, ect. James-Osbourne: Holmes >> James: Well, for starters let's make any experimentation easy so that we can get the greatest amount of participation. For any CS user on this list who has an eye infection in BOTH eyes please consider performing the following test: 1) Prepare your CS as you usually do. If it contains saline, that's OK. 2) Prepare another CS batch that either contains saline, if your regular prep doesn't, or doesn't contain saline if your regular prep does. Estimate the saline and CS concentration if you can. 3) Administer the saline CS prep to one eye, and the non-saline CS prep to the other eye. 4) Record your observations as often as you can until both eyes clear up, and let us know your results. Nitpickers RELAX. I promise I will not submit any of our tests to the New England Medical Journal to be peer reviewed. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Insight needed
Virginia, COuld be allergy to fillers and the gel caps of the vitamins? Find a good applied kinesiology persona and test this. Barb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Insight needed
Hi all, Got a question here. First a little background. I've had a case of chronic hives since January. Unknown origin. I've tried lots of things; some have helped, some haven't; don't have the total solution yet. Now here's my problem and I think in some way it may be related. Maybe. I have never in my life had a problem with water retention. Until these last couple of months. Whenever I take any kind of vitamin supplements, probiotics or anything, I start to retain water. As soon as I stop taking them, I go back to normal. If I use liquid acidopholus, it seems to be fine. I started using CS last week when I felt like I was coming down with a cold (which handled that right away) but now the CS also seems to be causing me to retain water. This is so frustrating and mysterious. Any ideas? Thanks, Virginia -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight
On 6 May 98 at 11:24, Loretta wrote: > I hope this helps and gosh is this site > busyprobably because those of us on the oxylist recieved your > website and obviously joined itNice to meet you all. God > bless...loretta Thanks for your input, Loretta. Welcome aboard. I'm sure we're going to continue to talk about detox methods and other things that help when you're trying to get better. Every bit of input helps. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight
Hi, I am new to the list. I use colloidal silver and have for a while now. I make mine with the beck machine. I am not sure about the cooking thing I make mine in distilled water. About 15 min and drink a glass of 12 oz... About the pain you guys are talking about..I have had the same problem and had a doc here in austin tx whom started me on this program. Anyway he put me on msm and I sware buy it. It has helped so much with those stabbing pains joint aches etcstomach problems its great. Dont have anything to gain here just a fellow alternative med user...with multiple health problems including epstein barr...I also was put on emergen c by alcor corp by this doc...take one package in my colloidal silver every am. Also take germanium and flora source for natural intestinal flora. I hope this helps and gosh is this site busyprobably because those of us on the oxylist recieved your website and obviously joined itNice to meet you all. God bless...loretta LORETTA HURT,HONEY ROSE -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx
Cathryn-- Your possible Lyme could be mycoplasma fermentens. See www.immed.org. Get testeg!God, Gold, and Guns made America great! Jolly -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx
Joyce wrote: > Can anyone tell me what herx is? Maybe I can help. I recovered > from a few degenerative diseases, and know a little about nutrition. You've gotten the concise answer from Brooks. Here's the verbose response: Subject: What is a Herx? Answer... Date sent:Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:31:25 -5 I'm not as much of an expert as any of our Lyme sufferers, but I've heard them explain it often. The Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction is named for the scientists who identified the condition. It came out of research into the treatment of Syphilis, which is the archtypical spirochete disease. It is caused by a sudden die-off of microbes as a result of treatment. The dead beasties dump their toxins and metabolites into your system all at once and it takes a while for your liver to filter out the poisons. You then suffer an apparent worsening of symptoms, or additional symptoms entirely the result of the reaction. A major herx, paradoxically, is a sign of hope and improvement for the lyme sufferer, as it means the treatment is actually getting to the damn bugs. Given many of these folks' difficulty in getting proper diagonsis and effective treatment, they're usually grateful to finally see something, anything, happen. The downside is that a sudden massive herx can be very stressful and even fatal. We're talking the potential for toxic shock. Somebody who's already sick and immune compromised, maybe having more than one infection, could get knocked on their butt in a hurry with too big an initial dose of colloidal silver. Severe Herx's can feature sudden fever, vomiting, diarrhea, fainting or dizziness (from low blood pressure), and skin rash. Like other kinds of shock, it may require urgent treatment if blood pressure drops too low. A mild herx, while uncomfortable, does not *require* treatment and will run its course by itself. In the Lyme treatment protocol on one of Advantage Pharmaceutical's web pages, you'll notice the emphasis on starting slowly, and gradually increasing the dose based on symptoms. This minimises the risk of triggering a massive Herx. The URL is: http://www.xpressnet.com/bhealthy/bodywght.html Don't interpret anything I say here as medical advice. I'm just repeating what I've found and read elsewhere and may have it all wrong. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx
I believe you will discover that the reference "herx", is actually a reference to a Herxheimer's reaction (a physiological response involving the body's reaction in handling dead microbes/pathogens resulting from some specific protocol/modality used in treating various systemic disorders) brought on by the cardio-vascular system being challenged by the toxicity of all the bugs the referenced treatment has just killed. Brooks. . Inouye wrote: > Can anyone tell me what herx is? Maybe I can help. I recovered from a > few degenerative diseases, and know a little about nutrition. > > :) Joyce Inouye > > On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Donna wrote: > > > > Donna, > > >> My herx is back and is worse than ever. The last 2 evenings the pain has > > been > > >> extreme. Do the herx return because of the life cycle of the bugs? I > > will try > > >> to increase the strength of the CS through some of your suggestions.How > > >> long > > >> to do you cook the CS and how much do your cook at one time? > > >> Cathryn > > > > Cathryn, > > The pain and the herx seem to occur every time there is a build up of > > toxins in the system. I also have mine back but it is not as bad as the > > first extreme one. I am hoping it won't get much worse. Hang in there, I > > know it is hard to believe that this is a good thing that you feel so bad. > > Remember the CS can reach into place the anitbiotics can't, at least so it > > seems, I am not a doc. If you are in pain now wait alittle while to > > increase, try to do it around every two weeks. As for how long I cook it, I > > start with about 3 cups and it usually runs about 2 1/2 to 3 hours. I have > > been using the TDS-1 to watch the ppm reading so I can keep it pretty > > consistent. If Candace reads this she can tell you herself how bad her herx > > was. I think she has been off of CS now for quite a few months and can > > truly say that her lyme is gone. Let's hope that is us soon. What type of > > pain are you having? Right now I am having stabbing pains in the arms and > > legs, a bit tired, and alittle moody. > > Donna > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx
Can anyone tell me what herx is? Maybe I can help. I recovered from a few degenerative diseases, and know a little about nutrition. :) Joyce Inouye On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Donna wrote: > > Donna, > >> My herx is back and is worse than ever. The last 2 evenings the pain has > been > >> extreme. Do the herx return because of the life cycle of the bugs? I > will try > >> to increase the strength of the CS through some of your suggestions.How > >> long > >> to do you cook the CS and how much do your cook at one time? > >> Cathryn > > Cathryn, > The pain and the herx seem to occur every time there is a build up of > toxins in the system. I also have mine back but it is not as bad as the > first extreme one. I am hoping it won't get much worse. Hang in there, I > know it is hard to believe that this is a good thing that you feel so bad. > Remember the CS can reach into place the anitbiotics can't, at least so it > seems, I am not a doc. If you are in pain now wait alittle while to > increase, try to do it around every two weeks. As for how long I cook it, I > start with about 3 cups and it usually runs about 2 1/2 to 3 hours. I have > been using the TDS-1 to watch the ppm reading so I can keep it pretty > consistent. If Candace reads this she can tell you herself how bad her herx > was. I think she has been off of CS now for quite a few months and can > truly say that her lyme is gone. Let's hope that is us soon. What type of > pain are you having? Right now I am having stabbing pains in the arms and > legs, a bit tired, and alittle moody. > Donna > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx/Reid
Reid Smith wrote: > > >> In the past when my nurves get to twitching real bad I've taken pills > to make me sleep for 24-48 hours. That takes care of the problem for a > few days. > > Take Care > > Reid > Yes Reid, it sounds like that would. Sorry if I sound a like little smart ass, I just got off of the Clinton whitewater newsgroup. That is a war zone. > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx/Reid
>>>Donna >>I hate to be the barrer of bad tidings but the twitches are caused >>by the nurves short circuiting and it takes one year for a nurve to heal. >>The twitching subsiding is good but don't expect it to quit real soon. >Reid, > Thanks for that info. That is good news to know. Compared to what it was >in the beginning it is very weak now so maybe that is one symptom I can >chalk up the saying that time heals all?? >Donna Earnest Something that I forgot to mention is alot of sleep helps the healing along alot faster. The nurves are kind of like a wire with insulation that is brittle. The more you move them the more that they are going to short circuit and the longer time it's going to take them to heal. In the past when my nurves get to twitching real bad I've taken pills to make me sleep for 24-48 hours. That takes care of the problem for a few days. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx
Whitney some more, Susan I feel really bad to keep hearing this. This is what I do for Herx whixh I nearly killed myself with once. I use: Digestive enzymes on an empty stomack--they go through the body and "eat up" trash like toxins and immune complexes--this is well documented now. I have done this for ten years--that's how many times I have had herx for Candida and whatever else. I take Mega Zyme by Enzymatic Therapy and 5 at once then 20-30 mins later 5 more. This WILL diminish your muscle pain and the twitching. You can continue until relieved, or sick to your stomach. The enzymes have worked as well or better than morphine. Molybdenum--250mcgms once to start aned then again amazing results alacer Emergen-C 2000mgms of vit C minerals stir into liquid fizzes, contiunue with the above upto whatever you can tolerate. Water in massive amounts. Soda water--Club soda read the label some have bicarbonate of soda in them and are great over ice when you are feeling so bad. COQ10 100 mgms 2-3X pewr day. Grape seed extract--the capsule 100mgms 2-3-4 times a day, or 2 at once with the enzymes for pain. You can also add the COQ 10 with it and it all workd together. Other antioxidants as you feel able or have on hand. You are probably saying right!? I'm so sick I can't even see and this woman is telling me to do all this stuff or even get it. Get someone to help you. OR When you are feeling better get these things and keep them on hand so that you won't be with out. when you are sick. I live alone so I have to be prepared especially when I know the results of what I am doing are more than likely going to cause me to herx!! You can take bicarbonate of soda now if you have some in a glass of water to help alkalinate the reaction. When you Herx you become more acid due to lots of factors not only just the toxins in your system. Your body is also producing catecholamines as a result of the insult these lead to inflammation of everything that can become inflamed. The problem here is that not properly taken care of this can become a cycle in itself. The enzymes will reduce the catecxholamines also. Hope this helps and your suffering eases soon. Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer Susan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx
>I don't know what the cause of the original poster's twitches were, but >sometimes the twitches can be from a lack of calcium and magnesium. This >works wonders for some people. It can even help some people with restless >legs. Worked for me. I've tryed both with no luck in the past. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx
Nick, I read a study in which heart disease pateints where given COQ 10- after by pass and the other half weren't the results showed 30% or so less recurrance os symptoms and morbidity in the COQ10 group it was alot of milligrams. Also friend is using it in conjunction with breat cancer treatment at the behest of her doc and taking 400mgs aday. I think that I still don't know the answers. I think you need to get online with the library or go browsing through Amazon.com and get some good well bibliogaphied books and teach yourself about this. then you would be informed about the truth. You could read all the pro's and cons. My doc who is feigning at being a liitle open poopooed COQ10, I find it helps me. Certainly the people who studied it wanted to know it it made a heart more efficient in the way it used oxygen. MSM is a sulpher. Look up in the library all the vegetables that are sulphur containing vegetables. I wager if they are grown organically or gosh who knows anymore. Iknow what i grow when I can grow is good b/c I put the minerals and kelp and cottoneseed meal into the soil--how do you know otherwise? Perhaps if they are fresh you have to trust you are getting the right thing. The only thing that boithers me about MSM is that is has methane molecule on the end of it.I simply don't know how that would affect me as is this manufactured to "be like" the sulpher we get mnormally and is the sulphur we get nomally methane??? Maybe someone knows. I use the things I do b/c I have researched them. I cannot at this time access that information imn my brain. I have gobs of stuff around here to get the "whole "picture but I am not strong i=enough to dgo through it again. I know what these do to me and why I take them and what my illness is and what is mainly wrong that needs help. I don't know yours, but you do and can know how these affect you. I take a couple of newsletters. Not the hype ones, they over the years have stimulated me to learn a little more. With the net and medline you should be able to access this stuff in your own home and print in out or get online with a University and get them to fax stuff to you. they are great!!! If I were really well and knew that I could put all your factors together I would say this or that. So far I use magnesium and COQ10 for my heart along with a little potassium now and then I don't know what to do for your heart or your BP. I am talking like this b/c it is hard for me to imagine anyway that antio=xidants can hurt a h=eart or blood vessel unless you area llergic to it. Perhaps it is with the pill and renders it inactive as it goes through the body cleaning up toxins and you see those drugs would be seen as toxins to the natural body system even if they control your BP. for instance digitalis leaf is a poison. For years it has been used to make the heart beat slower and with greater strength thus increasing ejection fractions. Good drug long old drug, The new guys didn't get the message that litle old people have to have dig levels done regularly and so their patients got digitoxic so they changed them to some other beta blocker or something in large doses, knocked em out, and said they were getting old and senile. The problem. too much drug. We rescued a little old lady from the nursing home who was "demented " all of a sudden(her daughter and me in spirit) took her off everything fed her hydrated her and got the right tiny little bit of medicine for her heart and she is home baking bread for the neighbors and walking to the post office everyday to get her mail. Seee!! So don't depend on me and my memory when you have all this stuff you can find out for yourself. It is empowering and you may save your own life or someone else's. Now detoxing I can tell you b/c I am doing it. See the difference. I hope you do. Good Luck Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer Susan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
insight/herx/Reid
>>Donna > >I hate to be the barrer of bad tidings but the twitches are caused >by the nurves short circuiting and it takes one year for a nurve to heal. >The twitching subsiding is good but don't expect it to quit real soon. >Take Care > >Reid Reid, Thanks for that info. That is good news to know. Compared to what it was in the beginning it is very weak now so maybe that is one symptom I can chalk up the saying that time heals all?? Donna Earnest -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
insight/herx
>Just checking, Donna: You're taking similar size doses now but of >the higher ppm CS? Did you ever determine if you had taken large >enough doses of the 7 ppm stuff it might have worked just as well? > >It is one school of thought that large enough quantities of even 3-5 >ppm CS will do as much good as higher ppm, and be easier to make to >boot. That's why we have kidneys, doncha know! > >If your experience differs it would be good to analyze why. > >Be well, > >Mike D. > >[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] >[mdev...@mail.id.net Mike, I did continue to take the same amount of the higher ppm. I would have to take alot of the lower dose ppm to make up the difference. I would probably spend my entire time making CS as to the fact I am not the only one that takes it here. That would be a good thing to find out though. Donna ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx
Susan, I was told that it is counter productive to the medication I am taking. In other words if the medication is meant to slow down my heart rate and open up the blood vessels, the antiocident would do the opposite. Specifically they mentioned the Coq10, Ghinko, and a couple others. I'm really not sure aabout the paarticulars. Anything about the MSM I mentioned? Thanks, Nick -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx
Donna, Thanks for the info. on the TDS meter. Hopefully, I can purchase one from someone to figure out the ppm I am ending up with. I go to 2 other docs next week-one for cfs and one an allergist. I am continuing the rocephin and the CS taking antioxidants and drinking tons of water. It is so discouraging because I thought I was getting better. I know it is just a matter of time. I appreciate the contact. Peace, Cathryn -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx
Susan, Thanks for all the specifics on how to help with the herx. I have someone who can help me get all of the items you mentioned. Is a good health food/vitamin store going to have most of these things? Thank you so much. I am determined to get better. Peace to you, Cathryn -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx
Susan, Thanks for the information. If you do get that article back, I would love a copy of it. Thanks again. Vern -Original Message- From: Susan M. Yensen To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 1998 2:10 AM Subject: Re: insight/herx >>Susan, >> >>Tell me some more about these digestive enzymes that you take. I haven't >>seen a thing about them cleaning out toxins and such and would be interested >>to read anything that you could direct me toward. Are they Papaya, >>Bromelain, and the like? I didn't quite follow the part about the candida >>infections. Does the enzyme combat candida infection? I have a friend that >>has a systemic candida infection and he can't seem to beat it. I would >>appreciate any info that you could provide. >> >>Vern >> >Vern, > >I had the article and sent it with a friend so she would understand what I >am saying to her. It has a good bibliogralphy for you. I will see if I >can get it back from her and post it for you. > >Megazymes by Enzymatic tharapy are good for me b/c I can tolerate them >whereas others I cannot that is why I say this brand. > >It is Pancreatic enzymes (10X) 325 mg (full strength undiluted and uncut) >Units of activity* >Protease 96,580 >Amylase 98,780 >Lip[ase 24,496 >Trypsin75 mg >papain 50mg >bromelain (1.200 M.C.U.) 50 mg >amylase 10 mg >lipase 10 mg >lysozyme 100 mg >chymotrypsin 2mg > >About Candida, you can eradicate it with CS done slowly and carefully >according to your health state. WHen a single celled organism, or parasite >or the spirochete of which we read so much dies, it's death releases a >toxin that was inside the organism heretofor. So when [people get treated >for Candida and are not properlu educated about the Jarisch Herxheiomer >reaction--the body'e reaction to the toxin released at the death of the >organism, oftentimes they feel worse and stop taking the medication and may >say they are allergic or whatever b/c we don't get the same thing painfiul >reactions with antibiotic therapy for common micro organisms. As a matter >of fact many doctors don't understand this. > >Funguses are very different creatures docs in 3rd world countries are the >best at recognizing these things and treating them. Although we are >catching up. Funguses have the ability to change forms according to their >replication cycle and unless you are in this cycle they will not be found >in the blood, they can be budding yeast which looks like cottage cheese or >mycelia which can travel from organ to organ with out the use of the >vascular system. When you are in this replication cycle you feel worse and >crave sweets or fermented things. The yeast need more carbohydrate to >live. Yeast Canndida and monilia are basically the same for the purpose of >this post. > >What the enzyme does ON AN EMPTY STOMACH is get readily absorbed into the >bloodstream and "eat up 'the toxins released by the dying fungi or >spirochete. It is a good add on for treatment of Candida but will not kill >candida. It will alleviate the pain as do the other things I delineated in >a previous post. > >Now, the article had several subtitles and said in effect that in studies >done--double blind no less that it has been found that they relieve the >pain of inflammation better that then ensaids so commonly prescribed which >are poison to me. > >They also discovered a use for these in autoimmune disease like MS and so >forth is that they discovereed that the enzymes will also eliminate >circulating immune complexes. this is important for peopole like me for >instance b/c the immune complexes I have are anti myelin ones and attack >the lining of the nerves and it is painful process. > >Also good in allergies for precisely the same thing they will digest >allergens, reduce swelling (anti inflammation effect) tThe anti >inflammation effect is accomplished as the enzymes soften and digest the >fibrin and other substance and catecholamines in the infalammatory >reaction, including arachidonic acid which is the culprit that causes pain. > >So It may be a while before I can get that bibliography up b/c I can't >leave the mountain just now and I will have to get her to bring it to me. > >These also aid in digestion taken with food. Many people have >malabsorption problems once things are set into motion of being a disease >that is multi organ. Leaky gut syndrome needs to be addresed in you rfriend >proabably after a long siege of intractable Candida. There is a special >diet for that too. It is an ordeal but it can be done. > >Hope this answers your question for now. > >Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer
Re: insight/herx
I don't know what the cause of the original poster's twitches were, but sometimes the twitches can be from a lack of calcium and magnesium. This works wonders for some people. It can even help some people with restless legs. Worked for me. -Original Message- From: Reid Smith To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 1998 9:31 PM Subject: Re: insight/herx >>Oh Yeah, The twitches in you muscles, I have them to but they are finally >>subsiding, hopefully to be gone for good soon. Hang in there. When Marsha >>gets back she can offer her story to and If Candace reads this she is a good >>testimomial. >>Always here, >>Donna > >I hate to be the barrer of bad tidings but the twitches are caused >by the nurves short circuiting and it takes one year for a nurve to heal. >The twitching subsiding is good but don't expect it to quit real soon. >Take Care > >Reid > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx/pools?
On 30 Apr 98 at 17:13, Deb wrote: > My husband's friend is into the Y2K thing and so now my husband is > finally ready to get me the CS maker for that. That's *great* news! Er, Ah, about the CS maker that is! Not the y2k thing. > Also, I remember reading that one can keep ones pool clean with > CS, does anyone know how this is done??? We are not up and running > yet this year and I would like to do the switch if it is at all > feasible Pool water treatment is actually one of the uses of colloidal silver (and copper) that the skeptics and righteous debunkers out there will recognise as valid. I guess the pool chemical industry doesn't have as big a lobbying effort in Washington. Silver sanitizes the water and copper kills the algae. Here's the URL of one company that makes metal ionizer type pool water treatment equipment: http://web.evcom.net/Zark/index.htm And more detailed (and very small type) explanations at: http://web.evcom.net/Zark/everi.htm No endorsement implied. It's just a site I found. I imagine a system like that would be lot's easier than making CS by the batch and dumping it in all the time. $500-600 (US) compared to how much in pool chemicals? How many years 'til payback? How much is your time and aggravation worth? Let us know if you decide to buy one! Sounds like a class way to go. Be well, Mike [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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>Oh Yeah, The twitches in you muscles, I have them to but they are finally >subsiding, hopefully to be gone for good soon. Hang in there. When Marsha >gets back she can offer her story to and If Candace reads this she is a good >testimomial. >Always here, >Donna I hate to be the barrer of bad tidings but the twitches are caused by the nurves short circuiting and it takes one year for a nurve to heal. The twitching subsiding is good but don't expect it to quit real soon. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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>Susan, One other question. Someone told me that the antioxidants may interfere >with the hypertension medication I am taking. The CS is working. I'm having >better days more often. Thanks for any info. Nick Nick, I don't know the answer. What was their reasoning? Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer Susan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Debbie, I don't think I said anything about cooking, but starting with distilled water and no salt, the temp of rolling just barely stirs up and hastens the reaction. Temps around 180'F Susan >Hey Susan, > Your helpful hints on herx were great and I saved them. I am just out >of surgery three weeks ago and have had heck since then, kidney >infection, then bad reaction to the sulfa drugs so I might try your >regimen while I feel bad enough not to eat. I have battled toxicity >anyway and this is sounding like a grand way to help. > When you refer to cooking your CS, is this to increase the ppms or is >this in making of the main batch. Given the recent thread on larger ppms >meaning less effective particulate size, I am very interested as I had >been planning on getting one of the larger machines due to need for high >volume to treat the horses, now I don't know what to do, I will be >making CS all day if I have to use the methods that make low volumes??? > Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer Susan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx/pools?
M. G. Devour wrote: > Hope you get better soon, Ma'am! Thanks Mike, very much. My husband's friend is into the Y2K thing and so now my husband is finally ready to get me the CS maker for that. I will be requiring your advice. Also, I remember reading that one can keep ones pool clean with CS, does anyone know how this is done??? We are not up and running yet this year and I would like to do the switch if it is at all feasible Deb Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Susan, One other question. Someone told me that the antioxidants may interfere with the hypertension medication I am taking. The CS is working. I'm having better days more often. Thanks for any info. Nick -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Susan, I'm going to try the antioxidants for my herx, which won't let up, but have you heard anything about MSM and vitamin C as a new product? Nick -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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On 30 Apr 98 at 14:13, Donna wrote: > For quite a few months I was really discouraged because I was not > getting anywhere and then I finally had it tested to find out it > was only 7ppm. Now that I am taking the 30ppm there is a big > difference. Just checking, Donna: You're taking similar size doses now but of the higher ppm CS? Did you ever determine if you had taken large enough doses of the 7 ppm stuff it might have worked just as well? It is one school of thought that large enough quantities of even 3-5 ppm CS will do as much good as higher ppm, and be easier to make to boot. That's why we have kidneys, doncha know! If your experience differs it would be good to analyze why. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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On 30 Apr 98 at 9:08, Deb McDonald wrote: > I am just out of surgery three weeks ago and have had heck since > then, kidney infection, then bad reaction to the sulfa drugs so I > might try your regimen while I feel bad enough not to eat. Whoa, hope you're on your feet again soon, Deb! > When you refer to cooking your CS, is this to increase the ppms > or is this in making of the main batch. I think she's using a recipe that involves heating the water. It supposedly makes the particles smaller, and definitely makes the process quicker for the same ppm. So it's natural to talk about "cooking up a batch." > Given the recent thread on larger ppms meaning less effective > particulate size, I am very interested as I had been planning on > getting one of the larger machines due to need for high volume to > treat the horses, now I don't know what to do, I will be making CS > all day if I have to use the methods that make low volumes??? Deb, if you can afford the several hundred dollars for one of the bigger batch makers -- CS Pro, Motherlode, whatever -- go for it! And the sooner the better from the sound of it! Some minor quibbling aside we've got no reason to think they won't work. We've got at least a couple owners of those machines on this list right now who're completely satisfied. We discuss the full spectrum of options because people's needs are different. IF the *only* way to make good CS was a 500 dollar HVAC unit, then that's all we'd talk about. But the low voltage battery, HVAC, HVDC, solar, nuclear reactor, geothermal, tidal forces, and hamster powered systems all seem to have their own virtues in terms of cost, simplicity, survivability, reproduceability, entertainment value, etc. Hope you get better soon, Ma'am! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Thanks for the very informative post, Susan. (If this is too much off topic, you can privately email me. I've got some questions.) I've found great benefit in using "Beano" to eat various vegetables and beef fat (sorry, haven't given beef up yet!) I'm curious about other enzymes; my allergies are causing continual mild upset stomachs. It causes me to crave carbohydrates which is likely over feeding candida, contributing to more hunger... I think the CS is helping keep candida in check. Never the less, due to allergies, I wake up feeling famished and find myself munching on junk all day long. (Still no sinus infections despite a couple bad colds this year. CS has diverted them! I used to get SI 3 or a4 times a year!) Do you have any idea what's going on here & if an enzyme supplement can help with that? Sincerely, Nancy -Original Message- From: Susan M. Yensen To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 1998 4:15 AM Subject: Re: insight/herx >>Susan, >> >>Tell me some more about these digestive enzymes that you take. I haven't >>seen a thing about them cleaning out toxins and such and would be interested >>to read anything that you could direct me toward. Are they Papaya, >>Bromelain, and the like? I didn't quite follow the part about the candida >>infections. Does the enzyme combat candida infection? I have a friend that >>has a systemic candida infection and he can't seem to beat it. I would >>appreciate any info that you could provide. >> >>Vern >> >Vern, > >I had the article and sent it with a friend so she would understand what I >am saying to her. It has a good bibliogralphy for you. I will see if I >can get it back from her and post it for you. > >Megazymes by Enzymatic tharapy are good for me b/c I can tolerate them >whereas others I cannot that is why I say this brand. > >It is Pancreatic enzymes (10X) 325 mg (full strength undiluted and uncut) >Units of activity* >Protease 96,580 >Amylase 98,780 >Lip[ase 24,496 >Trypsin75 mg >papain 50mg >bromelain (1.200 M.C.U.) 50 mg >amylase 10 mg >lipase 10 mg >lysozyme 100 mg >chymotrypsin 2mg > >About Candida, you can eradicate it with CS done slowly and carefully >according to your health state. WHen a single celled organism, or parasite >or the spirochete of which we read so much dies, it's death releases a >toxin that was inside the organism heretofor. So when [people get treated >for Candida and are not properlu educated about the Jarisch Herxheiomer >reaction--the body'e reaction to the toxin released at the death of the >organism, oftentimes they feel worse and stop taking the medication and may >say they are allergic or whatever b/c we don't get the same thing painfiul >reactions with antibiotic therapy for common micro organisms. As a matter >of fact many doctors don't understand this. > >Funguses are very different creatures docs in 3rd world countries are the >best at recognizing these things and treating them. Although we are >catching up. Funguses have the ability to change forms according to their >replication cycle and unless you are in this cycle they will not be found >in the blood, they can be budding yeast which looks like cottage cheese or >mycelia which can travel from organ to organ with out the use of the >vascular system. When you are in this replication cycle you feel worse and >crave sweets or fermented things. The yeast need more carbohydrate to >live. Yeast Canndida and monilia are basically the same for the purpose of >this post. > >What the enzyme does ON AN EMPTY STOMACH is get readily absorbed into the >bloodstream and "eat up 'the toxins released by the dying fungi or >spirochete. It is a good add on for treatment of Candida but will not kill >candida. It will alleviate the pain as do the other things I delineated in >a previous post. > >Now, the article had several subtitles and said in effect that in studies >done--double blind no less that it has been found that they relieve the >pain of inflammation better that then ensaids so commonly prescribed which >are poison to me. > >They also discovered a use for these in autoimmune disease like MS and so >forth is that they discovereed that the enzymes will also eliminate >circulating immune complexes. this is important for peopole like me for >instance b/c the immune complexes I have are anti myelin ones and attack >the lining of the nerves and it is painful process. > >Also good in allergies for precisely the same thing they will digest >allergens, reduce swelling (anti inflammation effect) tThe anti >inflammation effect is accomplished as the enzymes soften and digest the >fibrin
insight/herx
Cathryn, First off if you have had one positive lyme test then that is what you have, believe me. There is no such thing as a false positive when you have lyme. What you are experiencing is a definite herx, hang in there. You may have to go through a few herxes before you start to feel better. It took Candace about 6 months and it does say it can take anywhere from 6 to 9 months to be gone. Discouraging, it sure is, and it really stinks. I use a TDS-1 to read the ppm. I purchased it from someone on the list. What I did was to make a fresh batch, test it with my meter and then sent it out to the lab. The one I have was off about 9 so I callibrated the meter that I had. I can also just add ten everytime I make it. For quite a few months I was really discouraged because I was not getting anywhere and then I finally had it tested to find out it was only 7ppm. Now that I am taking the 30ppm there is a big difference. I do not use any saline at all just pure distilled water and go from there. Oh Yeah, The twitches in you muscles, I have them to but they are finally subsiding, hopefully to be gone for good soon. Hang in there. When Marsha gets back she can offer her story to and If Candace reads this she is a good testimomial. Always here, Donna -- > Donna, > I think that I need to increase the CS based on what I have been reading. > What is the gadget you use to read the PPM? I am not familiar with this. Do > you make your CS using a few drops of a saline solution with the distilled > water also? The pain is throbbing continuously in my legs (mostly lower) and > forearms and the tops of my hands. I am also still having twitches in my legs > that feels like a nerve thing. My throat is kind of sore but not like a real > sore throat. Neck is stiff and I have a dull headache. I am back to sleeping > alot due to the fatigue. > > The doc. today still said that he cannot say it is or is not lymes. He > brought up the idea of getting evaluated for chronic fatigue but says that > sometimes it is overdiagnosed and really another illness that gets > misdiagnosed. I made an appt. with the doc. for Monday. I have had the one > pos. lymes test and 2 neg. > > I felt so much better last week. I thought I was on the mend. This is most > discouraging. > > Thanks for any ideas or thoughts. > Cathryn > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx
Hey Susan, Your helpful hints on herx were great and I saved them. I am just out of surgery three weeks ago and have had heck since then, kidney infection, then bad reaction to the sulfa drugs so I might try your regimen while I feel bad enough not to eat. I have battled toxicity anyway and this is sounding like a grand way to help. When you refer to cooking your CS, is this to increase the ppms or is this in making of the main batch. Given the recent thread on larger ppms meaning less effective particulate size, I am very interested as I had been planning on getting one of the larger machines due to need for high volume to treat the horses, now I don't know what to do, I will be making CS all day if I have to use the methods that make low volumes??? -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx
>Susan, > >Tell me some more about these digestive enzymes that you take. I haven't >seen a thing about them cleaning out toxins and such and would be interested >to read anything that you could direct me toward. Are they Papaya, >Bromelain, and the like? I didn't quite follow the part about the candida >infections. Does the enzyme combat candida infection? I have a friend that >has a systemic candida infection and he can't seem to beat it. I would >appreciate any info that you could provide. > >Vern > Vern, I had the article and sent it with a friend so she would understand what I am saying to her. It has a good bibliogralphy for you. I will see if I can get it back from her and post it for you. Megazymes by Enzymatic tharapy are good for me b/c I can tolerate them whereas others I cannot that is why I say this brand. It is Pancreatic enzymes (10X) 325 mg (full strength undiluted and uncut) Units of activity* Protease 96,580 Amylase 98,780 Lip[ase 24,496 Trypsin75 mg papain 50mg bromelain (1.200 M.C.U.) 50 mg amylase 10 mg lipase 10 mg lysozyme 100 mg chymotrypsin 2mg About Candida, you can eradicate it with CS done slowly and carefully according to your health state. WHen a single celled organism, or parasite or the spirochete of which we read so much dies, it's death releases a toxin that was inside the organism heretofor. So when [people get treated for Candida and are not properlu educated about the Jarisch Herxheiomer reaction--the body'e reaction to the toxin released at the death of the organism, oftentimes they feel worse and stop taking the medication and may say they are allergic or whatever b/c we don't get the same thing painfiul reactions with antibiotic therapy for common micro organisms. As a matter of fact many doctors don't understand this. Funguses are very different creatures docs in 3rd world countries are the best at recognizing these things and treating them. Although we are catching up. Funguses have the ability to change forms according to their replication cycle and unless you are in this cycle they will not be found in the blood, they can be budding yeast which looks like cottage cheese or mycelia which can travel from organ to organ with out the use of the vascular system. When you are in this replication cycle you feel worse and crave sweets or fermented things. The yeast need more carbohydrate to live. Yeast Canndida and monilia are basically the same for the purpose of this post. What the enzyme does ON AN EMPTY STOMACH is get readily absorbed into the bloodstream and "eat up 'the toxins released by the dying fungi or spirochete. It is a good add on for treatment of Candida but will not kill candida. It will alleviate the pain as do the other things I delineated in a previous post. Now, the article had several subtitles and said in effect that in studies done--double blind no less that it has been found that they relieve the pain of inflammation better that then ensaids so commonly prescribed which are poison to me. They also discovered a use for these in autoimmune disease like MS and so forth is that they discovereed that the enzymes will also eliminate circulating immune complexes. this is important for peopole like me for instance b/c the immune complexes I have are anti myelin ones and attack the lining of the nerves and it is painful process. Also good in allergies for precisely the same thing they will digest allergens, reduce swelling (anti inflammation effect) tThe anti inflammation effect is accomplished as the enzymes soften and digest the fibrin and other substance and catecholamines in the infalammatory reaction, including arachidonic acid which is the culprit that causes pain. So It may be a while before I can get that bibliography up b/c I can't leave the mountain just now and I will have to get her to bring it to me. These also aid in digestion taken with food. Many people have malabsorption problems once things are set into motion of being a disease that is multi organ. Leaky gut syndrome needs to be addresed in you rfriend proabably after a long siege of intractable Candida. There is a special diet for that too. It is an ordeal but it can be done. Hope this answers your question for now. Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer Susan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx
Susan, Tell me some more about these digestive enzymes that you take. I haven't seen a thing about them cleaning out toxins and such and would be interested to read anything that you could direct me toward. Are they Papaya, Bromelain, and the like? I didn't quite follow the part about the candida infections. Does the enzyme combat candida infection? I have a friend that has a systemic candida infection and he can't seem to beat it. I would appreciate any info that you could provide. Vern -Original Message- From: Susan M. Yensen To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 7:39 PM Subject: Re: insight/herx >Cathryn, > >I use: >Digestive enzymes on an empty stomack--they go through the body and "eat >up" trash like toxins and immune complexes--this is well documented now. I >have done this for ten years--that's how many times I have had herx for >Candida and whatever else. I take Mega Zyme by Enzymatic Therapy and 5 at >once then 20-30 mins later 5 more. This WILL diminish your muscle pain and >the twitching. You can continue until relieved, or sick to your stomach. >The enzymes have worked as well or better than morphine. >Susan > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight
>Donna, >My herx is back and is worse than ever. The last 2 evenings the pain has been >extreme. Do the herx return because of the life cycle of the bugs? I will try >to increase the strength of the CS through some of your suggestions.How long >to do you cook the CS and how much do your cook at one time? >Cathryn I'm not suggesting you do this with CS BUT I can tell you this about the herx and antibotics. When I get one I increase the dose of the antibotics and it goes away. To answer your question yes the herx is worse when the bugs are on their active cycle. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx
Cathryn said: The pain is throbbing continuously in my legs (mostly lower) and >forearms and the tops of my hands. I am also still having twitches in my legs >that feels like a nerve thing. My throat is kind of sore but not like a real >sore throat. Neck is stiff and I have a dull headache. I am back to sleeping >alot due to the fatigue. Cathryn, I feel really bad to keep hearing this. This is what I do for Herx whixh I nearly killed myself with once. I use: Digestive enzymes on an empty stomack--they go through the body and "eat up" trash like toxins and immune complexes--this is well documented now. I have done this for ten years--that's how many times I have had herx for Candida and whatever else. I take Mega Zyme by Enzymatic Therapy and 5 at once then 20-30 mins later 5 more. This WILL diminish your muscle pain and the twitching. You can continue until relieved, or sick to your stomach. The enzymes have worked as well or better than morphine. Molybdenum--250mcgms once to start aned then again amazing results alacer Emergen-C 2000mgms of vit C minerals stir into liquid fizzes, contiunue with the above upto whatever you can tolerate. Water in massive amounts. Soda water--Club soda read the label some have bicarbonate of soda in them and are great over ice when you are feeling so bad. COQ10 100 mgms 2-3X pewr day. Grape seed extract--the capsule 100mgms 2-3-4 times a day, or 2 at once with the enzymes for pain. You can also add the COQ 10 with it and it all workd together. Other antioxidants as you feel able or have on hand. You are probably saying right!? I'm so sick I can't even see and this woman is telling me to do all this stuff or even get it. Get someone to help you. OR When you are feeling better get these things and keep them on hand so that you won't be with out. when you are sick. I live alone so I have to be prepared especially when I know the results of what I am doing are more than likely going to cause me to herx!! You can take bicarbonate of soda now if you have some in a glass of water to help alkalinate the reaction. When you Herx you become more acid due to lots of factors not only just the toxins in your system. Your body is also producing catecholamines as a result of the insult these lead to inflammation of everything that can become inflamed. The problem here is that not properly taken care of this can become a cycle in itself. The enzymes will reduce the catecxholamines also. Hope this helps and your suffering eases soon. Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer Susan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx
Donna, I think that I need to increase the CS based on what I have been reading. What is the gadget you use to read the PPM? I am not familiar with this. Do you make your CS using a few drops of a saline solution with the distilled water also? The pain is throbbing continuously in my legs (mostly lower) and forearms and the tops of my hands. I am also still having twitches in my legs that feels like a nerve thing. My throat is kind of sore but not like a real sore throat. Neck is stiff and I have a dull headache. I am back to sleeping alot due to the fatigue. The doc. today still said that he cannot say it is or is not lymes. He brought up the idea of getting evaluated for chronic fatigue but says that sometimes it is overdiagnosed and really another illness that gets misdiagnosed. I made an appt. with the doc. for Monday. I have had the one pos. lymes test and 2 neg. I felt so much better last week. I thought I was on the mend. This is most discouraging. Thanks for any ideas or thoughts. Cathryn -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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> Donna, >> My herx is back and is worse than ever. The last 2 evenings the pain has been >> extreme. Do the herx return because of the life cycle of the bugs? I will try >> to increase the strength of the CS through some of your suggestions.How long >> to do you cook the CS and how much do your cook at one time? >> Cathryn Cathryn, The pain and the herx seem to occur every time there is a build up of toxins in the system. I also have mine back but it is not as bad as the first extreme one. I am hoping it won't get much worse. Hang in there, I know it is hard to believe that this is a good thing that you feel so bad. Remember the CS can reach into place the anitbiotics can't, at least so it seems, I am not a doc. If you are in pain now wait alittle while to increase, try to do it around every two weeks. As for how long I cook it, I start with about 3 cups and it usually runs about 2 1/2 to 3 hours. I have been using the TDS-1 to watch the ppm reading so I can keep it pretty consistent. If Candace reads this she can tell you herself how bad her herx was. I think she has been off of CS now for quite a few months and can truly say that her lyme is gone. Let's hope that is us soon. What type of pain are you having? Right now I am having stabbing pains in the arms and legs, a bit tired, and alittle moody. Donna -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight
Donna, My herx is back and is worse than ever. The last 2 evenings the pain has been extreme. Do the herx return because of the life cycle of the bugs? I will try to increase the strength of the CS through some of your suggestions.How long to do you cook the CS and how much do your cook at one time? Cathryn -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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> Cathryn,
Below is the dosage that Candace gave me, it is probably the same one you
have. You mentioned that it is 3 nine volt batteries that you have. I
really doubt that you are getting 30ppm. It might be best if you could get
it tested. As for the color being coudy white, mine is golden yellow. The
jury is still out on what color Cs should be. I believe it should be the
yellow color. My herx is just about over for now, I do expect it to be back
in about 2 to 3 weeks. I will increase again and see what happens. I also
heat my water to about 175-180 and then keep it on a hot plate to try to
maintain the temp as close as possible.
Good luck
Donna
Dosage Must Coincide
> "With Body Weight"
>
>The initial 1st (first) week dosage in all cases should only be 1/2 (one-half)
>teaspoon only once (1) a day in the morning as the Colloidal Silver at 30 PPM
>is so effective that if you start the therapeutic dosage of more than 1/2
>(one-half) teaspoon per I (one) day you may put yourself into bed with a
>severe Herxheimer or Candida reaction from all the dead bacteria piling up
>waiting to be expelled from your bloodstream.
>
>Thereafter your dosage of Colloidal Silver "absolutely must" correspond to
>your body weight for the protocol to be successful as Colloidal Silver is
>allopathic-the more you take the better it works and conversely the less you
>take for your body weight the less it will be able to do for you. Again: The
>dosage can be more but not less than that required for your body weight for it
>to work and for this protocol to he successful.
>
>The dosage baseline of 4 (four) teaspoons (20 ml.) morning immediately upon
>arising I (one) hour before breakfast, and 4 (four) teaspoons (20 ml.) evening
>2 (two) hours after supper, is based on an average infection for a 120 (one
>hundred and twenty) pound individual.
>
>The dosage also must be tailored to the severity of the infection, which means
>you must increase the dosage (after you have adjusted the initial dosage to
>your weight), if you have had a chronic, severe, or long-term infection.
>
>It is crucial that:
>
>Your starting-beginning baseline dosage ("before" you tailor dosage to your
>symptoms) must correspond to your body weight. This means the baseline dosage
>must be increased a minimum of I (one) teaspoon (5 ml.) every time you take a
>dosage, to accommodate every 30 (thirty) pound increment in body weight.
>
>For example: A 210 lb. individual must increase their baseline dosage to 7
>(seven) teaspoons = (35 ml.) in the morning and 7 (seven) teaspoons (35 ml.)
>in the evening.
>
>The following outline is the basic initial dosage reference:
>
>120 lb. man, woman or child 4 (four) tsps. morning and 4 (four) tsps.
>evening.
> 150 lb. II II = 5 (five) tsps. morning and 5
> (five) tsps. evening.
> 180 lb. = 6 (six) tsps. morning and 6
> (six) tsps. evening.
> 210 lb. = 7 (seven) tsps. morning and 7 (seven) tsps.
> evening.
> Just to confirm:
>
>A 60 (seventy) lb. child would respectively require a dosage of 2 (two)
>teaspoons [10 (ten) ml.] in the morning and 2 (two) teaspoons [10 (ten) ml.]
>in the evening.
>
>Respective dosage you then stay at that dosage until you ameliorate all of
>your symptoms If because of the severity or the chronic state of your
>infection you plateau and have a stubborn symptom that you cannot knock out at
>this dosage 4 then increase your dosage by I (one) teaspoon additional in the
>morning and 1 (one) teaspoon additional in the evening for 2 (two) weeks.
>
>This should make a big difference to your recovery. If not yet, increase the
>dosage "again" by another 1 (one) teaspoon in the morning and 1 (one) teaspoon
>in the evening for the following two weeks and stay on the respective
>additional dosage until you do ameliorate that symptom.
>
>The key is that you increase and tailor the dosage to the point whereby you
>aggressively knock out any remaining symptoms that are attributable and due to
>the current active Borrelia Burgdorferi infection. You must treat until all
>"active" symptoms are gone-so you are basically asymptomatic, as this is your
>main guideline to know how much to, and how long to treat.
>
>N.B. The spirochetes re-cycle every 30 (thirty) days if there are any
>remaining in your body. This means that some sensitive individuals will notice
>a flare up of their symptoms every 30 (thirty) days (almost to the day like
>clockwork) as long as there are still some spirochetes present.
>
>Therefore once you have knocked out all of your symptoms, "then" go back to
>your original baseline dosage per your body weight, until you no longer have
>the symptom flare up and for I (one) more month after you feel you have
>eradicated the infection.
>
>This final month of treatment is necessary to insure you have killed all the
>spirochetes in your body, for if there are any that
Re: insight
Donna, I checked the generator and there are 3 9Volt batteries. The book I had said that if you heat up the distilled water to 104 degrees that that will increase the ppm concentration in a shorter amount of time. The color of the CS is a creamy white. I have the dosage infor from Susan Yensen but I do not have Candace's. I am thinking that I should increase the dosage because I have been on this for over 2 weeks. Something is finally working however. I hope you make it over the next hump without a relapse. Let me know if you find the info. from Candace. Thanks. Peace. Cathryn -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight
>From: "It's not me" >So are you using one of these devices? Yes. >What exactly are we talking about here, light waves, radio waves, sound >waves? Light/RF/magnetism are involved in getting the frequencies into the body. >What kind of results have you witnessed yourself? See my web-site http://www.u36.com/~fredw/alternative_health.htm for a discussion on this topic. I'm currently having a few more people/pets drop in for sessions, but I haven't updated my web-site yet with their stories. fred -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight
Thanks Fred, So are you using one of these devices? I see posts from time to time about the Bare-Rife, but with all of the stuff out there in the health field, I have not paid as much attention as maybe I should. I'm also a bit suspicious until I see something work or know of someone that it has worked on. What exactly are we talking about here, light waves, radio waves, sound waves? What kind of results have you witnessed yourself? -Original Message- From: Fred Walter To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, April 18, 1998 7:47 PM Subject: Re: insight >>From: "It's not me" >>>From: Fred Walter >>>>Some people with Fibromyalgia have gotten symptom relief from using >>>>a Bare-Rife device. The details are somewhere at >>>> http://www.kalamark.com/rife_bare >>I can't seem to find the references to Fibromyalgia a the sight you list. >>Was the info in testimonial form or based on some research? > >Testimonial. The information is there, you just have to dig a bit. Try: > http://www.kalamark.com/rife_bare/rife_bare6b.html > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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>From: "It's not me" >>From: Fred Walter >>>Some people with Fibromyalgia have gotten symptom relief from using >>>a Bare-Rife device. The details are somewhere at >>> http://www.kalamark.com/rife_bare >I can't seem to find the references to Fibromyalgia a the sight you list. >Was the info in testimonial form or based on some research? Testimonial. The information is there, you just have to dig a bit. Try: http://www.kalamark.com/rife_bare/rife_bare6b.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
insight
Catwalker, You did not mention how many batteries are in the generator. I have 3 batteries and I take 3 cups of water and it usually takes about 2 to 2 1/2 hours before I get the 30ppm. What color is your CS? As for floaters, they are little black spots that float around in your eyes, most people have them from time to time but mine are always with me. Then for the ppm, I meant to say to make sure to increase the amount you are taking of the CS about every two weeks. Did you ever get that email that candace posted to the list on the protocol for lyme when taking CS. This explains the dosage by weight. If not let me know and I will go througy my files and see if I can dig it up. My herx has subsided for now. We will see what the next couple of weeks bring. I expect in about another 10 days it will flare again. (hoping not) If I left anything out just let me know. Donna -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight
Hi, About die off. Dr Sherry Rogers suggests using molybdenum for it. I have and it works! Also Dr Farber suggests using m0lybdenum for die-off and sells a combo product that I can't use b/c of my MCS, but you may be able too. So now besides water I use molybdenum 250mcgs in addition to the Alacer that I also take. I use grape seed extract and COQ10, salt water snizzles for the head and digestive enzymes to get stuff to the right place. And an alkalinating agent such a bi or tri salts. This combo is helping me at present with the discomfort. I take them and lie down and keep warm and in about 1 hour the ordeal is over. Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer Susan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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>Fred, >I can't seem to find the references to Fibromyalgia a the sight you list. >Was the info in testimonial form or based on some research? Hi a friend used to come to my house for rifing. We used the whole spectrum of freq that D.Tunney was using at that time. We never used any of the freq that cause "die-off" as she barely could get around and had to work. So we left off any candida and fungal ones but I will post this list for you and you can see for yourself. The list includes some freq we didn't use. At first we would stop using freq that made us uncomf, but decided once to see if it got better and generally it was over within ten minutes, we began to have nore results doing it this way. Susan >THE FOLLOWING IS BASED ON RIFE/BARE OUTPUT 80-90 WATTS AND SWR'S UNDER >2.0. USERS SHOULD BE NO CLOSER THAN 6 FEET AND NO FURTHER THAN 30. >These are the primary freq we use. We use them as in the sessions >adding as we need them. > >I use the freq I downloaded from turf's site for infections and so forth. >I don't have them stored, but you could easily get them. 5000 is good >immune always. 10K for pain 6K for muscle spasm/siezure type stuff. > >We follow all and run x3 mins. If we get a "hit" that is something feels >different or maybe uncomfortable we run for about 10-15 mins the length of >time it take sthe immune system to mount a response-the symptom is usually >resolved in this > >FIRST SESSION: >728, 1, 880, 800, 3176, 2720, 2184, 2128, 2008, 664, 464, 304, 120, >20 EACH X'S 3 MINUTES > >THESE TWO SESSIONS MAY BE BACK TO BACK FOR FIRST TIMERS (EG: TODAY AND >TOMORROW) > >SECOND SESSION: >728, 5000,880, 800, 3176, 2720, 2192, 2176, 2128, 2008, 664, 464, 304, >120, 20 EACH X'S 3 MINUTES > >Detox for two CLEAR days--evaluate success of detox > >Third Session: ( same as #1) >728, 1, 880, 800, 3176, 2720, 2292, 2120, 2112, 2008, 664, 464, 304, >120, 20 each x's 3 minutes >Detox for two CLEAR days - evaluate success of detox > >Fourth Session: >728, 5000, 880, 800, 3176, 2720, 2292, 2120, 2112, 2008, 664, 464, 304, >120, 20, each x's 3 minutes > > >MAINTENANCE SESSIONS > >5000 > >1 > >880 > >800 > >728 > >3176 > >2720 > >464 > >120 > >20 > >304 > >RUN EACH FOR 3 MINUTES > > >ORIGINAL RIFE FREQUENCIES > >PROBLEMFREQUENCY > >Arthritis 880, 800, >784, 728, 10,000 > >Bacterial Infections 832, 800, 784, > >Blood Pressure 880, 728, 304 > >Candida464 > >Catarrh5000, 880, >800, 728, 1234 > >Eye Disorders 350, 360, 400, 728 > >Fatigue424, 664, >464, 120 > >Gallstones 3,000, 880, 728 > >Headaches 520, 304, 144 > >Kidneys1865, 1600, >440, 248 > >Lumbago880, 800, >728, 300 > >Motion Sickness648, 624, >600, 464, 440 > >Pancreas 1552, 648, >624, 600, 464, 440 > >Pharyngitis1552, 880, >800, 784, 776, 728 > >Pineal Gland 666 > >Prostate 2720, 2128, >2008, 728, 664, 408 > >Psoriasis 112, 104, >96, 64 > >RUBELLA784 > >Rubeola784 > >Shingles 1864, 1800, >1552, 800 > >Stiff Muscles 880, 728, >328, 300 > >Stomach880, 784, >728. 664 > >Tinnitus 880, 784, 728 > >Thrush 464 > >Trauma 3,000, 760, 300, >192, 96 > >Ulcers 832, 800, >784, 776, 664 > >Worms 128, 96, 72, 20 > >UPDATED FREQUENCY LIST > >PROBLEMFREQUENCY >Sedation or Pain Relief304 > >Lyme Disease 432, 484, 610, >690, 790, 864 * > >Heliobacterium Pylori 676 > >/Cancer cell found in Multiple Myeloma 728 > >Flu
Re: insight
Donna, I purchased a generator from silver solutions out of CA. It is a battery generator. It came with a book that said that heating the water up to 104 degrees would increase the ppm in a shorter cooking time. I cook 16 oz. for 9 min,. after heating to 104 degrees. Let me know what kind you purchased. I am wondering if it is indeed at the ppm desired. Hopefully, it is. I just started feeling better yesterday afternoon. The pain subsided some and I am so thankful. Thanks for describing your pain to me. It helps to hear from others who have similar symptoms. I think I was not drinking enough water. I started drinking tons more of it since getting your first message and the same advice from a few others. I also picked up some antioxidants per a suggestion from a list subscriber. My mental state is much better now. I am encouraged that the herx could last only up to one month. It makes sense now as I approach 3 weeks that it would be getting better. What are floaters, by the way? Also, you indicated to increase the ppm. Do you mean to above 30ppm? Thanks again for the response. Peace. Cathryn -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Fred, I can't seem to find the references to Fibromyalgia a the sight you list. Was the info in testimonial form or based on some research? -Original Message- From: Fred Walter To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 7:17 AM Subject: Re: insight >>From: Reid Smith >>>they find that you are suffering Fibromyalgi, >>>I'd be glad to share what helps me. >>So what is the treatment for Fibromyalgia? Possabally antibotics? > >Some people with Fibromyalgia have gotten symptom relief from using >a Bare-Rife device. The details are somewhere at > http://www.kalamark.com/rife_bare > >fred > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
insight/Bill
Bill, Where are you located in Ocean County? That is where I am at? Small world. Donna -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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> How long did it last? How long were >you on the Rocephin? I am making and taking the CS and think I have it at >30PPM but I do not have a device to check it. Do you know of how I may locate >one? Your message is encouraging. Can you describe the kind of pain in your >arms and legs to me? Mine is an aching, throbbing pain that also has a >tingling sensation at times. Also, sometimes it feels like there are nerve >type twitches in my arms and legs. I have been on the abx. and CS now for 14 >days. How long does a typical herx last? They tested me for lupus and that >has been neg. I had only 1 of 3 tests come back positive for the lymes. They >still won't commit to that but agreed to the treatment. I appreciate any >additional infor. > >The herx can go on from anywhere from a week to a month. It sounds discouraging but I find that everytime I go through it I am feeling alot better than before it started. You are suppose to increase every two weeks until you no longer have the herx reaction. As for the pain, sometimes it is like a toothache and then sometimes it is like someone is sticking me with a knife. I also have the twitches but they are starting to subside. I use to get them continually all day now it is just a nuisance once maybe twice a day. If you had one positive test for lyme you can be sure that is what it is. You are lucky to get a positive, it took me five different tests to finally find it. I also have problems with floaters, tiredness from time to time, and I had a whole lot more before the CS. Just make sure you a drinking plenty of water to flush out your system. What type of generator did you purchase? Battery? If so how many batteries? Donna -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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>From: Reid Smith >>they find that you are suffering Fibromyalgi, >>I'd be glad to share what helps me. >So what is the treatment for Fibromyalgia? Possabally antibotics? Some people with Fibromyalgia have gotten symptom relief from using a Bare-Rife device. The details are somewhere at http://www.kalamark.com/rife_bare fred -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Dear Cathryn, Donna was right on target with her post. I have slight ups and downs on CS if I slack off or have a weak batch of CS myself. When I quit for a couple months, I got a full blown relapse. CS definitely has made a big diffence in my health unlike any antibiotic, IV or oral. You are having results from your abx/CS no doubt. You do feel worse before you feel better because of all the toxins generated from killed bacteria. Drink lots of water, keep your circulation going somehow, and get lots of rest. That's your "calling" so to speak for now, but you'll get through it, one day at a time. You had better ask for a copy of that pos. Lyme test if you haven't taken one home already. If you find the need to change doctors, it could make a big difference, as it sounds like your doctor is trying to keep a foot on each side of the fence. The problem with lyme tests is false negatives, not false positives. Don't let anyone put doubts into your head about your diagnosis. You've got to fight Lyme day and night. Herxes are a part of that. I remember the days you are going through. A walk through the house felt like a 10 mile trek through shoulder high jello. Carrying a couple gallons of milk felt like carrying two concrete blocks. And my bones ached like I had slept in icewater all night (like a young child feels fishing around for his favorite soda in a bucket of ice water at a family picnic). But if you keep up your treatments, you finally start to break through like the sun coming out from behind thick clouds, a little sunshine at a time until the days go from "mostly cloudy" to mostly sunny! It takes time, though, and if you don't have a doctor that is willing to go the whole nine yards, you really need to switch to someone who fully understands the life cycle of the bacteria and the need for long term antibiotic treatment. Incidentally, fibromyalgia symptoms can be caused by Lyme. Advanced, uncontrolled Lyme infection can also cause MS, ALS, Alzheimers & Lupus symptoms, thyroid, heart, etc; every system known to man can be affected by borrelia bacteria. Its dubbed the "Great Imitator" by Lyme doctors. You are fortunate to have found out about colloidal silver early. I was on oral & IV abx for 26 months for Lyme disease (borreliosis) when I finally accepted the fact that I had plateaued in healing. At that point, about 85-90% recovered from most symptoms, I stopped abx and started CS. CS cleared up the last of my stubborn symptoms; I am not over Lyme; I still get weak, whimpy cycles of symptoms, but overall, I'm about 95-98% better having used CS for nearly a year and a half now. No ABX!!! What freedom! I feel so much better just having gotten off them, and having something that works that does not make me feel sick. It actually has warded off sinus infections I used to get all the time, and I believe it's tuned up my immune system unlike anything I ever took before. (Next best thing was co enzyme Q10.) My Lyme/CS story is at http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/silver-works . I will post my "Hope for Those with Lyme Disease" brochure later today at http://oikourgos.com/trisha . Three internet web site references in my brochure are "must reads," especially Dr. Joseph Burrascano's "Managing Lyme Disease." Anyone with weird symptoms or syndromes such as Lupus, MS, ALS, fibromyalgia, Alzheimers, thyroid problems, CFS, ADD, arthritis,... ought to check this site out. If Lyme's not behind many of these illnesses, I suspect some other unidentified microorganism usually is. Spirochetes can wreak havok in every body system. Syndromes are only catch all diagnoses for groups of symptoms that occur together for which the cause is unknown. Having a diagnosis is not the solution. The bottom line is what's causing them, and what will cure or subdue them. You can also visit my Lyme web site, http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/lyme-borreliosis for more Lyme info and more of my favorite links besides the ones in the brochure. Sincerely, Nancy -----Original Message- From: Cat3walker To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, April 16, 1998 7:22 PM Subject: Re: insight >The doc. today said that I did not have fibromyalgia so I felt that was good >news. He was a Rheumatoid specialist and said he did not think that I had any >type of arthritic condition. He did say he did not think that I had lymes and >that I had hyperextension of the joints which meant I really had to have >exercise. Without the exercise, he said I would ache and have pain. This was >news to me. I am trying to be persistent. Sometimes I think I am losing my >head. I have only been going through this for 7 months. I cannot imagine >what it would be like for this to go on for years. I did request that a >thyroid panel be completed today. Strangely enou
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Reid, No antibiotics. There is really nothing to kill. Fibromyalgia is not well understood, but it appears to have something to do with a chemical that convinces the brain that it is feeling pain although there is no or little physical damage to cause the pain. Another school of thought is that it is an autoimmune type disorder where the body actually attacks itself. All that I know is the more and better that you sleep and the better you treat your body and muscles, the better you end up feeling with Fibromyalgia. I take amino acids and I think that they help because they keep the muscles repaired and free of the byproducts that could be a pain causing factor. It ends up being one of those things where you just end up tolerating a lot of pain, but hey it won't kill you, so things could be worse. I've got to say, I wish that the CS would help with Fibromyalgia, but to date, I've had no luck. It sure works on many other things though. -Original Message- From: Reid Smith To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 1:31 AM Subject: Re: insight >>I spent 5 years trying to find out what was wrong with me. I had pain >>everywhere, EXTREME fatigue, memory problems, intestinal problems, and on >>and on. I finally have found that I have Fibromyalgia. I can tell you that >>I have not noticed any help from CS for Fibromyalgia, but then that makes >>sense since it is probably not caused by virus, bacteria, or other living >>organism. I can tell you that it was a Rheumatoid specialist that finally >>decided that I had the FS. Of course that was after several other docs had >>told me I had Rheumatoid, no Rheumatoid, Lupus, IBD, Ulcers, Lymes, Mono, >>and etc. Be persistent with you doc, especially if you aren't getting any >>better. Mine nearly killed me with Ibuprofen, N-saids and the like before >>finding the right diagnosis. In fact they suggested that I had a chronic >>pain condition and should see a shrink. I pushed on and if fact got very >>mad with the doc just before he sent me to the right specialist. I don't >>know if the docs are the same where you are from, but here, they want to >>give you about 3 min. on a doc visit, and are in a rush to sweep you into a >>category and feed you some pills. I have not found a great amount of help >>for my condition, from the docs meds, but I have found some help in >>nutritional supplements. If they find that you are suffering Fibromyalgi, >>I'd be glad to share what helps me. > > So what is the treatment for Fibromyalgia? Possabally antibotics? > >Take Care > >Reid > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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>I spent 5 years trying to find out what was wrong with me. I had pain >everywhere, EXTREME fatigue, memory problems, intestinal problems, and on >and on. I finally have found that I have Fibromyalgia. I can tell you that >I have not noticed any help from CS for Fibromyalgia, but then that makes >sense since it is probably not caused by virus, bacteria, or other living >organism. I can tell you that it was a Rheumatoid specialist that finally >decided that I had the FS. Of course that was after several other docs had >told me I had Rheumatoid, no Rheumatoid, Lupus, IBD, Ulcers, Lymes, Mono, >and etc. Be persistent with you doc, especially if you aren't getting any >better. Mine nearly killed me with Ibuprofen, N-saids and the like before >finding the right diagnosis. In fact they suggested that I had a chronic >pain condition and should see a shrink. I pushed on and if fact got very >mad with the doc just before he sent me to the right specialist. I don't >know if the docs are the same where you are from, but here, they want to >give you about 3 min. on a doc visit, and are in a rush to sweep you into a >category and feed you some pills. I have not found a great amount of help >for my condition, from the docs meds, but I have found some help in >nutritional supplements. If they find that you are suffering Fibromyalgi, >I'd be glad to share what helps me. So what is the treatment for Fibromyalgia? Possabally antibotics? Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Cathryn, I take all of the antioxidants that I can get my hands on, C, E, Beta Carotene, Selenium, fruit and vegetable concentrates, and etc. I also take some of the same nutritional supplements that weight lifters and bodybuilders use such as the amino acids (Tri-Amino supplement, Acetyl L Carnitine, Ornithine and etc.), B's, Ginseng and a few others. You might try looking through some back issues of Joe Weider's Muscle and Fitness. They seem to keep up on nutritional supplements that rebuild and repair muscles, help with pain, cleanse oxidants and toxins from the body. As far as exercise goes, I cannot say enough good things about it. They actually told me not to work out hard, but I found that lifting heavy weights made me feel better than anything else. When I don't lift, it feels like someone has parked a car on my chest, and all of my joints ache. I feel a bit like someone has wrung me out like an old wash rag. All in all, I have went from feeling like a ninety year old man and crawling out of bed, to where I almost feel like I really am 34. Don't expect instant results from the exercise or vitamins though, because neither worked like that for me. You really have to stick with a lifestyle that will over time rebuild your immune system and general health and hopefully the system will start to repair itself. Even though the docs don't think that you have Fibromyalgia, I will tell you just for reference, you get what are called pressure or sensitive points. These are on and around joints, the neck, armpits, sternum, groin, and etc., and they are always sore especially to the touch. In fact these points are part of the diagnostic for identifying fibromyalgia. If you don't have these sensitive points, I think it is a pretty good guess that you don't have Fibromyalgia. Good luck and I hope you get some answers soon. -Original Message- From: Cat3walker To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, April 16, 1998 5:26 PM Subject: Re: insight >The doc. today said that I did not have fibromyalgia so I felt that was good >news. He was a Rheumatoid specialist and said he did not think that I had any >type of arthritic condition. He did say he did not think that I had lymes and >that I had hyperextension of the joints which meant I really had to have >exercise. Without the exercise, he said I would ache and have pain. This was >news to me. I am trying to be persistent. Sometimes I think I am losing my >head. I have only been going through this for 7 months. I cannot imagine >what it would be like for this to go on for years. I did request that a >thyroid panel be completed today. Strangely enough, with all of the blood >work, this had yet to be done. Can you share the supplements you are taking? >I am on a heavy regimen of vitamins. But at this point, I am willing to try >anything. Cathryn > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Thank you for the info. Bill Fred Walter wrote: > >From: Bill Galkowski > >You don't have to buy a tester! Find a water testing place in your area > >and ask them to test your sample for Parts Per Million (ppm) of Silver! > >I have a couple of places here in my area of Ocean County NJ, I found > >a place that will test it for $20 per sample. > > For little more than that, you can buy a PPM tester and calibration solution. > See the TDS-1 at http://www.hannainst.com > > Personally, I'd rather spend the money on an instrument that lets me > test again and again and again, as necessary, rather than spend it on > one single test. > > fred > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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>From: Bill Galkowski >You don't have to buy a tester! Find a water testing place in your area >and ask them to test your sample for Parts Per Million (ppm) of Silver! >I have a couple of places here in my area of Ocean County NJ, I found >a place that will test it for $20 per sample. For little more than that, you can buy a PPM tester and calibration solution. See the TDS-1 at http://www.hannainst.com Personally, I'd rather spend the money on an instrument that lets me test again and again and again, as necessary, rather than spend it on one single test. fred -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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You don't have to buy a tester! Find a water testing place in your area and ask them to test your sample for Parts Per Million (ppm) of Silver! I have a couple of places here in my area of Ocean County NJ, I found a place that will test it for $20 per sample. They can test for minute traces far lower than what we are making. Anyway... thought this info might be helpful. Bill wil...@thecore.com Cat3walker wrote: > Thanks for your reply about the herx. How long did it last? How long were > you on the Rocephin? I am making and taking the CS and think I have it at > 30PPM but I do not have a device to check it. Do you know of how I may locate > one? Your message is encouraging. Can you describe the kind of pain in your > arms and legs to me? Mine is an aching, throbbing pain that also has a > tingling sensation at times. Also, sometimes it feels like there are nerve > type twitches in my arms and legs. I have been on the abx. and CS now for 14 > days. How long does a typical herx last? They tested me for lupus and that > has been neg. I had only 1 of 3 tests come back positive for the lymes. They > still won't commit to that but agreed to the treatment. I appreciate any > additional infor. > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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The doc. today said that I did not have fibromyalgia so I felt that was good news. He was a Rheumatoid specialist and said he did not think that I had any type of arthritic condition. He did say he did not think that I had lymes and that I had hyperextension of the joints which meant I really had to have exercise. Without the exercise, he said I would ache and have pain. This was news to me. I am trying to be persistent. Sometimes I think I am losing my head. I have only been going through this for 7 months. I cannot imagine what it would be like for this to go on for years. I did request that a thyroid panel be completed today. Strangely enough, with all of the blood work, this had yet to be done. Can you share the supplements you are taking? I am on a heavy regimen of vitamins. But at this point, I am willing to try anything. Cathryn -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Thanks for your reply about the herx. How long did it last? How long were you on the Rocephin? I am making and taking the CS and think I have it at 30PPM but I do not have a device to check it. Do you know of how I may locate one? Your message is encouraging. Can you describe the kind of pain in your arms and legs to me? Mine is an aching, throbbing pain that also has a tingling sensation at times. Also, sometimes it feels like there are nerve type twitches in my arms and legs. I have been on the abx. and CS now for 14 days. How long does a typical herx last? They tested me for lupus and that has been neg. I had only 1 of 3 tests come back positive for the lymes. They still won't commit to that but agreed to the treatment. I appreciate any additional infor. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Cat3walker, I spent 5 years trying to find out what was wrong with me. I had pain everywhere, EXTREME fatigue, memory problems, intestinal problems, and on and on. I finally have found that I have Fibromyalgia. I can tell you that I have not noticed any help from CS for Fibromyalgia, but then that makes sense since it is probably not caused by virus, bacteria, or other living organism. I can tell you that it was a Rheumatoid specialist that finally decided that I had the FS. Of course that was after several other docs had told me I had Rheumatoid, no Rheumatoid, Lupus, IBD, Ulcers, Lymes, Mono, and etc. Be persistent with you doc, especially if you aren't getting any better. Mine nearly killed me with Ibuprofen, N-saids and the like before finding the right diagnosis. In fact they suggested that I had a chronic pain condition and should see a shrink. I pushed on and if fact got very mad with the doc just before he sent me to the right specialist. I don't know if the docs are the same where you are from, but here, they want to give you about 3 min. on a doc visit, and are in a rush to sweep you into a category and feed you some pills. I have not found a great amount of help for my condition, from the docs meds, but I have found some help in nutritional supplements. If they find that you are suffering Fibromyalgi, I'd be glad to share what helps me. -Original Message- From: Cat3walker To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, April 16, 1998 6:26 AM Subject: Fwd: insight -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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In an answer to your question about a herx, i just went through the herx from hell. I recently found out the CS I was making before was very low in ppm until I had it tested and finally got it to where it was suppose to be. Around 30ppm. I continued taking the same dosage, this is what brought it on. I am still having the painful arms and legs, depression, nervousness, and the heart pounding in my ear. The tiredness is subsiding. I was also on the rocephin for sometime but it did not get rid of the lyme. Once off of that is when I started the CS. I have had greater success with the CS than anything. When I was first tested it came back as lupus. It actually took five tests to show positive for lyme. What you are experiencing definitely sounds like a herx. Keep going you are on the right track. If I can help in any way just let me know. Donna Earnest -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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--- Begin Message --- Since Oct. I have had reoccuring flu-like symptoms and incredible fatigue. They have gotten worse over the months and I have been to many drs. I have had tons of blood drawn for labs everywhere and have no conclusive diagnosis. I have been following the silverlist infor. for a month or longer waiting for test results and treatment of some sort. In the meantime, I ordered a generator and began making CS. Recently, 2 weeks ago today I began treatment with Rocephin, an abx. for Lymes. I also began at the same time treatment with CS 2x daily at 30ppm (I think), about 8 oz. per dose. Abx. is IV daily 2grams. I have had a few good days since starting treatment however, I am wondering how long the pain goes on. I feel like the pain has gotten worse since starting the trtment. and seems to especially get worse at night. (legs and forearms) I am taking a high dose of ibuprofren for the pain at times--but it really does not seem to do anything. So the dr. prescribed a muscle relaxant, and it knocks me out. I do not like feeling that so I have only taken it at night. I have now been referred to a Rheumatologist for further testing. They tell me this dr. knows alot about blood. I know that he has a background in diagnosing some patients with fibromyealgia (sp). I had one positive lymes test and two neg. tests. The infectious disease specialist dr. is the one treating me with the abx. I have been off work for almost 2 weeks now. I keep thinking that the pain will stop. I need some insights from anyone who can help regarding the herx.,treatment and any good advice. I am feeling like this will never end. --- End Message ---
