Re: [RCSE] Icon 2
I was not aware that there was an Icon 2 poem contest. This is a good start. On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 6:51 AM, Phil Townsend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Icon 2 I never have won a contest... I never fly contests... There is nothing that I wish to contest. I fly for the pure fun of it and nothing less. Good toys are very rare... and time is short... Icon2 Phil Santa Fe RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] In Memory of RCSE
Hrm , dumb question but why not update the server O/S? On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Mike Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The time is now for the end of RCSE. RCSE has been around forever in Internet years, since the 90's. I can't even remember when it started. Some of the online stuff goes back to around 1999, I know I have some stuff back to 1996 and that is definitely not the oldest stuff. Posts to the list have gone down, mostly stuff about events that are happening out there. There hasn't been too much serious discussion in a while and flame wars, well everyone has been civilized. The equipment that the list is running on is aging and it's kind of hard to get excited about a mailing list these days. RCSE has been around forever in Internet years, since the early 90's. I can't even remember when it started. The computer guys at Airage want to shut the server down as soon as they can. It's not too cool to be running a Windows NT server these days. There are probably other security reasons to shut it down. I don't have a shut down date for RCSE, but expect it to be soon.So if you have any favorite memories, please post them to the list before it goes away. Maybe you can mention your favorite technical guru's discussion, flame war or Sal bashing. And sorry, RCSE won't cover the infamous challenge by Lucas to Joe. Thanks for the memories. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Zephyr-6 Flight/Video
Now this is really cool: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7577493.stm - Dave R RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] RV rental for Fall Fest?
I'm looking into renting an RV for the annual Visalia Fall Fest. I remember there is a rental Company that will bring the RV out and pick it up after the contest. Can someone refresh my memory as to the name of the Company? TIA David Zucker Vice-President Pismo Beach Soaring Society RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Futaba 14mz NIB at discount
I'm trying to see if anyone would be interested in a Futaba 14MZ 72 NIB at a 30% discount + shipping and sales tax off the retail $2199 price. That's around a $700.00 savings. Let me know as this deal may go away quick. David Zucker PBSS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Wanted: Standard AVA Pod
Have you converted your AVA to 2.4G, and you are not sure what to do with the old pod? Why not sell it to me? Please contact me off line - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, David RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] RCSE
Mike Lachowski, will my RCSE subscription follow me to my new E-Mail addess or do I re-subscribe ? Regards, Dave Corven.
RE: [RCSE] An argument for handlaunch.
Now on to something that I SHOULD be upset about. I just got an email from AARPHOLY C**P...isnt that the sign of the coming apocalypse? Oh man, it's just prostrate exams and midnight trips to the bathroom from here on out. Uhhh, you're not prostrate for a prostate exam. That's the other Doc working with the long TV tube. Been there, done that. Leave a book on the clothes hamper in the outhouse. You get decent discounts with your AARP card if you remember where you put it. 2 day DLG at the Nats! Great idea! I appreciate all the dialog on this topic. Already put 11,000 miles on the truck this year driving around the US for discus events. If there's a 2-day at the Nats, it definitely goes on my ToDo list. Let's see, north to St. Louis and turn right. Drive on 'til the first star on the left. Ooops. Nope, that's Polecat. Of course the real humiliation about being a bottom-feeder like myself is showing up at Poway and having Gordy beat you at your own game. Thanks Ben for the write-ups. Thanks Chris and the Carrs and all the guys who represented the US at the German F3K. Some of the them have been going on their own nickel for several years. Please keep up the great effort. Now the challenge is making the NATS the 3rd major US national contest for discus. How do we collectively help make it happen? - Dave R RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Granite State Glider-Fest - Sunday August 17th, 2008
Mark your calendars now for the best R/C Soaring event in New Hampshire. On Sunday, August 17th we will be setting up the winches for a full day of friendly competition with both 2-meter and unlimited classes. Bring along your Easy Glider as well for the highly coveted 'Best Easy Glider Performance' award. Download the flyer at: http://www.granitegliderguiders.org/g3/docs/GliderFest2008.pdf Charge 'em up, and bring 'em out, David RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Contest idea....Time on tow penalty for TD?
That would be interesting. It could force short tows even in conditions that are nominal. It's also good discipline for learning short launches and low alt recovery. I think the added man power requirement and potential for human error would kill this if you added a launch time keeper at each station. Each club would need a PA system and working times other wise individual timers would be required for each launch. If they use a PA system thent he time just starts and stops when the plane comes off the hook and landssame outcome. DW On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Craig Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After watching the World F3J I had an idea for a contest... Incorporate the time penalty on tow that they have in F3J but in a TD format. You would have a timer at each winch who would time your launch and write that time down on your card... For example if it were a 10 min task and you towed for 6 sec the best time you could get would be a 9:54 even though you flew a perfect 10... Or even better... Double the time on tow penalty, so if it was a 6 sec tow the best time you could get would be 9:48. Seems to me it would throw more strategy and fun into a normal TD contest Suggestions ? Comments? Craig
[RCSE] Wanted, Ceres Fuselage
Hey guys, On Sunday I had an RF mishap that cost me a fuselage. I have an F3b Ceres that needs a fuselage to be whole again. I already have a 2.4 friendly fuselage on order, but I need to get this plane up and running for the F3B Team Selection this August. I have a tow hook, so any Ceres Fuselage will do. I prefer Red, but I will live with any color, sine this is only temporary until my 2.4 friendly fuse comes. I am looking to pay $150 to $200 depending on condition and color. Thanks, David Klein -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
Re: [RCSE] eneloop question
They typically come charged right out of the package however like any battery you should be checking them to ensure that each cel is up to par. I would trickle and discharge twice and check to make sure you are within 10% of the rating. DW On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Robert Samuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do the Eneloop cells require forming like the conventional cells? That is, should a pack made of Eneloop cells be slow charged/discharged serveral times before use? Robert Samuels ... St. Louis -- Making the world a better place one message at a time. Check out the i'm Talkathon.http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace
Re: [RCSE] Re: Gordy- Logic without limits.....or I couild hae read the article in context:-)
I think your post is a bit of BS and selfish too. Any accident that will most likely be subject to some form of litigation is never talked about in public. Also, safety practices... No matter what you do there is always the danger of a plane falling out of the sky and hitting someone. Every time someone launches a plane and looses control, runs the battery dead. they are rolling the dice with possibly killing someone. Those that were effected by this incident knew the risks involved. I am not involved with the NCSS, but I am involved with slope racing. This was the first time in a few years that I missed the ISR. The fact that an accident happened at an orgaized event is better than if it were a bunch of sport fliers. At least there was an AMA sanction, and all of the pilots had AMA cards and all of the safety rules were followed. So if you don't know the details, don't spread rumors and blow smoke up everyones behind. And don't talk down about those organizations that allow us to do what we love. Everyone involved in the incident, all of the organizers, have voluntarily taken on alot of personal liability. My heart goes out to first the injured, then the pilots, then the pothers involved. Thanks, David Klein if the rumor that there will no longer be any glider racing at the Big Creek slope site true? I guess it's because of the serious accident that took place during the last Man on Man race sponsored by the Northern California Slope Soarers. I guess the owner doesn't want the liability. I've even heard flying of any type might be banned forever. What a shame. Just another wonderful flying site lost. I certainly hope the officers of the club and the Safety Marshall take a close look at their current safety rules before sponsoring another event. Perhaps the land owners of their home slope should be made aware of the past accident and the possible liability they are exposed to. I am extremely curious why the Hush, Hush attitude has been displayed by the NCSS. Couldn't the whole soaring/racing community benefit by their telling all and informing the slope soaring community about the accident thereby taking action to avoid the possibility of another serious accident? No, it would seem sweeping it under the carpet is NCSS's current policy. - Original Message From: Gordysoar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 9:53:18 PM Subject: [RCSE] Re: Gordy- Logic without limits.or I couild hae read the article in context:-) -why are the people who have no interest or participation in e-soaring events on any level- Doesn't take a lot of thinking here. We are alotted just so many minutes of time to do our hobby each month. We chose to spend them doing the kind of flying we like...there just isn't time or money to focus on more than one thing. When E 'soaring' comps turned into motor wars...the soaring guys got bored...if we were interested in motors and their components, we'd have stayed flying electrics or glow. But we have no interest in motors, or even radios...its the soaring that has us hooked, thermals to be exact and the endless hunt for them. The guys interested in motors, got excited about LMR because it played into their interests...a chance to over power the other competitors. When the soaring guys like Bob got involved, the focus started leaning toward more difficult soaring tasks...and that bored the power guys. The few still involved (motor guys) are the ones who yelped the loudest when they assumed that the Zlog Alti Switch was going to butt into their 'powers'. IF they'd have actually read the article, they'd have seen that not one single soaring guy is interested in changing or affecting their 'hobby'. We are instead just looking at ideas for our possible doom (future of no winches, or land go set one up.) One more time thread mates, enjoy your LMR events, decide your own rules, have fun. Power up and enjoy. No contest rules need to even be considered for the use of a Zlog Alti Switch...no beepers or timers or anything else...because other than the test group that Jack is going to try this summer, there's no one planning on putting a motor in his sailplane soon. Why so little interest in Powered Soaring Events? Because soaring guys aren't intersted in motors, batteries, props and gear boxes...and motor guys aren't interested in thermaling at a contest...kind of like watching grass grow in dry weather ;-). Gordy Chicago on the beach tomorrow -- Gordysoar Gordysoar's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=12801 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=886033 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must
Re: [RCSE] Could CD's Please Collect Plane's Flown By Whom?.... Who Cares ?
Craig, You've got to be kidding! David Craig Allen wrote: . Did you really do that much better with your prissy $2,000 Icon than if you had practiced with your $100 Oly2 ??? */ /*
Re: [RCSE] The Top Pilots Are Sluts and Idiots?
The top pilots get to fly all the nice planes and they can and do pick the one they like the most. With their skills why would we not want to know what they like? ---BeginMessage--- Brian said it best, the top guys, heck every body reading this forum, will tend to chose the models to fly that they feel best compliments their skills, will give them the best chance at flying a perfect score. Just because the most talented guys 'can' do well with anything doesn't mean they are stupid...they chose the plane that compliments their flying and optimizes their chancesthe sharpest tool for them. To imply that JW or DP or any of our top pilots only fly what is given to them disrespects them on every level. If they couldn't afford the hobby, they wouldn't be in it for long. You know DP and you know JW...they aren't for sale...they chose the models they fly and pay for them. Gordy Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news, & more! ---End Message---
Re: [RCSE] FAI winch needed...want to buy
I have a friend that just bought a brand new Ober winch with me. We ordered 3 as a groups and got a discount, but he is no longer interested. We paid $2200 for everything, he would like $1900. This is as brand new as they come. Only about 3-4 months old. Less than 10 launches on it. It comes with the really high end turn around, Winder, battery resistor It is the Ober EW4 starter kit. The turnaround cables are upgraded to stainless steel, and a battery resistor bar is added. The winch comes with a really nice adjustable resistor. But also included is an additional resistor to be added to the battery. http://www.oberflugmodellbau.de/10287/11001.html On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:42 AM, Phil Townsend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need an FAI F3B winch. Does anyone have one for sale??? Phil Santa Fe -- New Mexico... just like Old Mexico only cleaner. http://philtownsend.blogspot.com/ -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
[RCSE] Spoyapi Cup Flyoff video
Found this link for a video of the Sporyapi Cup. the Pre-Contest to the F3J Worlds tomorrow. Good showing for the USA. It looks like Ben had to practice his high jump on the last landing. Just missed coming down on his glider. Also appears he didn't dump his flaps. Been there, done that. LJ timing? Check it out. Thanks JoJo, David http://www.f3x.no/f3j/2008/wc/sporyapi2008.wmv RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] XC rookie looking for a team at the NATS for LSF tasks
I'm looking to join (or form) an XC team at this years NATS. My goal is to have fun at XC and hopefully complete LSF Level V goal and return. My LSF IV paperwork got sent in yesterday. :) I can provide launch equipment. I fly spread spectrum. I'm happy to make the last attempt on a team (I'm sure there will be other opportunities before this is the last thing I need for Level V). I don't have a good chase vehicle, but am willing to share in expenses. (Do teams rent convertibles, pickups, or something with a sunroof?) The team needs to have at least two LSF Level II witnesses, but my focus is not on being 'competitive'. The only XC I've done has been for LSF tasks. Interested? - Please contact me directly via email. Thanks, David RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] IHLGF
Man what a cool weekend. I am more than hooked. Getting together with all of the best pilots really does something too you. I enjoyed hand launch before, but now I am really hooked. I stared Friday afternoon with a mediocre launch and got a few tips. I would say I am now above average. Seeing the really great guys have a go at it, and getting a few tips from Paul Anderson really made the difference. I would say that my launch is now an asset. The camaraderie that exists from a large event that many travel too just can't be overstated. The only other time I have felt this level of it was at the F3b world championships. When guys are away from home, and not yet worried about the drive back, something special happens. You just cant explain it, everything just becomes a little more fun. The food tastes better, the beer is a little colder, and the jokes a little funnier. Well at least until you hear Craig Allen laugh :) But by the end of the weekend, Craig Allen's laugh becomes its own joke, it is contagious. BTW, this guy goes way out of his way o help out all of the international pilots, bringing chairs, chilli bins (Kiwi for ice chest) and pop up shades. This guy shows the generosity RC pilots are known for, thanks Craig. Also I need to really thank the Torrey Pines Gulls for the 15th IHLGF. I think Ron Schark invented this sport or something. Ron has been the event chair and coordinator for 15 straight years. Kudos. So the event has now been past down to the new gaurd of TPG officers, and I look forward to eveolution and continued excellence. I would like to point out that the impound was a thing of beauty. Places like Visalia and Phoenix have larger contest, but they are not man on man. It takes alot more organization, and manpower to run a large man on man contest and keep it running. The impound was flawless, a really top notch job. They even had these bad AS$ color printed logo labels for the transmitted identification. I hope someone can post a picture. So thank you TPG volunteers, great work. The contest conditions were really awesome, lots of lift ensuring someone would max the round, but lots of wind, sink, funny air making it challenging too. It allowed for plenty of separation and challenge, always fun and rewarding. Dude, I know the Polecat will be attended by more pilots this year, but man this weekend was nuts. On Sunday you could meet DLG teams from Brazil and New Zealand (life of the party x 10), Soaring Legend from Canada Arend Borst (great flying man), 2 x F3J WC Australian David Hobby, and another soaring legend from the F3b and F3F scene Norwegian Espen Torp. Dude, the rest of the crazy awesome pilots can be scene on the pilots list, but damn this was like being at the F3b WC in Switzerland. In fact, after the comp, some new DLG guys came up to Oleg and asked if they could have a picture with him. Next time, I think I will get everyone to sign my plane. It was cool. This thing was truly international. Again, I keep relating it to the F3b WC in Switzerland last year, but it must be because of Kev, Craig, and the other NZ boys, these guys make life more fun. Mike Seid was making comments about moving to NZ beacause poeple from NZ are always having more fun than anyone else. I could go on for a long time, but I would like to stress how awesome this kind of event is for everyonw. The traditions that surround the event really bring guys togther. It is ver inclusionary. So if you are new the the sport, this event is for you. Come meet the best, because they give the best advice. Next year, I will be sure to advertise and pump the event more towards new entries. Denny does a really great job with this at the Polecat, and we need to do the same. So I would like to here about everyone else's experiences, and share some pictures guys. See about 100 of you guys next year, David Klein BTW sorry for rambling. -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
Re: [RCSE] A message to D. Perkins, Champion of F3B and Lord of the Calamari
While we are on the same err kind of same topic I would publically like to thank the bonhead who donated the tow equipment into my bag at the end of the F3J in the Rockies contest. TSA at Denver Airport make me dissasemble my entire Backpack to get a closer look at the stakes contained in it. I had no idea they were even there! Next time please deposite a decent stop watch or maybe a winder and some reels :) On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/31/2008 1:02:06 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: how is a public demand for return of property avoiding public embarrassment? Embarrassed? Are we talking about the same Perkins?? Don Richmond San Diego, CA (Pensacola, FL for a few weeks) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hilaunch.com -- Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch Cooking with Tyler Florence on AOL Foodhttp://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?NCID=aolfod000302 .
Re: [RCSE] A message to D. Perkins, Champion of F3B and Lord of the Calamari
As an actual practitioner of Jewish/ Scottish Hoodoo I would recommend that you be careful of what or who you say is or maybe cursed I tried to Curse Mr Perkins last weekend and in some weird twist of fate I think I came in last in Denver. I will have to take a hoodoo refresher course. DW On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Phil Townsend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want the word to go out that the magical blessed stop watch is now cursed. Cursed means: If you have MY watch, use it or not, the following will come to pass: You will NEVER win a contest You will NEVER come in first loser or third or fourth of fifth etc. Your sailplane will need extensive re kitting. (hope you like fixing hollow molded wings) You caller will talk you into bad air. Your tow line will somehow develop a bad rash... ping and that air did look soo good. Plus your car will not start. All of this will happen. The watch has lost it's good juju and now will become a talisman of doom. You have been warned It has been written.. Bozo
[RCSE] Re: [pismobeachsoaring] 9303 PC Data transfer
Dan, Not DataSafe2. This is PC Data Transfer. Part # JRPA310 through Horizon. This is a brand new system for saving, manipulating and exchanging data via your computer with the ability to send the data in an e-mail. So far it's worked flawlessly. It's version 0.1 so that tells you they may be improving it's function in the future.JR announced this back in February. I called the LHS owner and he placed an order for 2 in March. The release date kept getting pushed back but it's finally appeared. I like it so far. Dan Field wrote: David Is this DataSafe 2 ?I guess I could go and look up the PN.I used to save my 8303 with DS2 just fine. At that time it would not work with the 9303 but there is new software to run the 9303. Unfortunately , I can 't get it to work. 3 or 4 emails and phone calls with Horizon Tech Support and they can't help me. I have tried many things, numerous re-installs. It won't even fire up and recognize the 9303 and though right now I don' t recall the exact error, Horizon Tech's have no idea what the error means. I still have lots of room for more so far. But more importantly I would like to save em all some where just in case I loose the memory one day. I would hate to start over. Dan . __,_._,___
Re: [RCSE] 2.4
Darwin, I think your answer lies in the unique qualities and general low numbers of the soaring communities. INMHO I think the lack of Soaring adoption into 2.4 occurs for a few reasons that follow but are not limited to: The standard TX for many soaring enthusiasts is the Sanwa / Airtronics Stylus and many are waiting for a 2.4 GHZ module due out before next season. The JR and Futaba systems offer most of the Stylus functionality and in some cases a few features I would like to see on a stylus but many pilots are loath to give up their Stylus yet. If Sanwa fails ot get thier module out I May have to fly JR myself. People don't want to poke holes in their nose cone or fuse to allow the two whiskers to exit. 2.4 friendly noses are becomeing main stream and this may also push adoption up. The FUD (fear uncertainty and doubt) factor is still high. I just attended an f3J contest and someone on my flight line had to get a backup model because thier primary failed to bind up. Many see 2.4 technology as still teething and would like to see it get to a more critical mass before putting it into something as unforgiving as an unpowered aircraft. Fail safe in a glider is a crap shoot at best so trying out a new technology that could leave you free flying is just plain scary. The real pressure to move to 2.4 is to attain a frequency-less situation that avoids conflicts. Glider pilots are the geeks of the R/C crowd and at the fields I fly, on a sunny Saturday or Sunday morning I have a hard time finding another pilot to talk to let alone conflict with. I have to make a call and organize to get someone to show up there when I am flying! Contest pilots are the ones who are moving fairly fast towards 2.4 which is a very small number of a select small crowd. I will be there next season myself. My secondary field is very close to a private power field so the prospect of removing conflicts is my main advantage. My main concern is that 2.4 is unregulated. I wonder how long will it be before we are competing for space along with channel hopping WIFI cards, SUPER long range household phones and other devises. Unregulated spectrum rarely creates good communication between industries. I am sure that given any pressure that manufactureres will inovate and overcome so I will see you in 09 with a 2.4 glider :) Just my two cents. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Darwin Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought 2.4 was all the rage. People abandoning 72 and ham band en masse to use 2.4 and selling everything off. So, why are we not seeing it as much in the sailplane world? At the SW Classic there were not nearly as many as I expected. I did not get the count but it was far less than we thought we'd get. Now, I was reviewing the pilot list for the IHLGF and see that there are only 4 pilots using 2.4, myself included (53 total entries). I am using the Futaba Fasst System. I have the 9C Super transmitter with the 2.4 Fasst Module and the 607 Fasst receivers in my Blaster, Blaster 2 and Vandal. These small receivers fit nicely and the two whisker antennas are easily exited from the fuselage. So far they are working great with no range issues. Admittedly, I have not used the system in a crowded environment, but I have no doubt it will work fine. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Lucky watch lost - RMSA F3J in the Rockies
Wo, someone stole Daryl's mojo. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Guys, Looks like I have misplaced my lucky Seiko stopwatch - name scratched in the back is Phil Lontz. I stole it fair and square from the Bozo humself, Phil Lontz, and it has been around the world with me many times. Last time I saw it was Sat. in Denver. If anyone finds it in their bag, please let me know. We'll work out how to get it back to me - reward. Thanks for the bandwidth D Darylperkins.com LLC. 1600 McCulloch Blvd. 5B Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403 www.darylperkins.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
Re: [RCSE] 2.4
Larry you make a lot of reasonable points as always. I am going to give Sanwa the time they requested to produce the first stage of the Stylus replacement (the 2.4 module) and having failed that will be looking at JR. I have no issues with Futaba but I have to state that data logging really appeals to me and I have yet to find an unhappy JR 2.4 customer. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a little biased being on Team Futaba. Despite the brand loyalty, I've looked at all of them and find the Futaba 2.4 receivers the most practical for the soaring application. Darwin, I can't fault you for being a little biased being a team flyer and all. But in all fairness it is obvious that the new JR 12X is the ultimate radio for all our applications. Granted I plan to keep my 9303's for my HLG's and Helicopters. But when it comes to the expensive big stuff there is just one choice, the 12X. By the way you might want to go over to the Horizon website and check out all the new Rx's made especially for the power usage's required in the IMAC models and large scale ships where a RX with real beef in the power department will keep you from getting those embarrassing expensive brownouts when you can least tolerate them. And for all of you guys running non DSM 2.4 systems and think you have the optimal RX installation, you are dreaming. Additional Auxiliary RX's are not a sign of a deficient system but a feature of a well thought out system that allows for fine tuning the RF paths in the model. I do fly quite a few 6 channel DSM RX's and have to fine tune the RX install because they small Rx's don't have data logger capability. I always check a new install with the 7 and 9 channel RX's with the data logger. It is quick and easy, and offers a serious peace of mind when you have you 2K moldy a mile and a half down wind. I believe that you will see 2.4 become the norm much quicker than predicted here, won't it be nice to run the SWC with NO TX impound?? Think about the cattle chute at Visalia disappearing? Oh Yea 2.4 is the ticket and the train has left the station. Larry Jolly Feeling the Difference -- Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch Cooking with Tyler Florence on AOL Foodhttp://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?NCID=aolfod000302 .
[RCSE] AVL question
I know that this is better suited for the X-foil discussion board, but I am waiting for approval to join for a few days now. I need to run some negative load factor run cases, inverted looping flight, negative Cl. AVL does not allow me to input the values into the looping flight condition. I thought I would try getting around this by building an inverted aero model, using inverted airfoils, and an inverted tail. It is not running properly. I will try to rebuild the model, and try again. Is there an easier way to run negative lift load cases? Thanks, David -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
[RCSE] Radical F3b NIB for sale
My friend Brandon Monte is selling his NIB Radical. This thing is brand new, and just arrived from Germany lass than a month ago. It is Red and White with some yellow accents. he is asking $2800, which is $200 below his costs. Pictures and contact info can be seen on the RCGroups.com for sale thread http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=869100#post9826855 -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
[RCSE] AVL Question
Gentlemen, for those of you with experience using Dr. Drela, and H. Youngren's AVL (Athena Vortex Lattice) software, can you write the strip forces to a file. I need more loading information than the VM shear moment forces. I really need to write the strip forces to a file so I can manipulate them with Excel or Matlab. Thank You, David Klein -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
Re: [RCSE] Craig Greening
YES he is and they still rock. order direct and save yourself some time... http://www.servoframes.com/ On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Klaus Weiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks. Does anyone know if Craig Greening is still manufacturing servo mounts. I have sent him several emails, to no avail. Maybe he just doesn't want to reply to o'seas customers. Any info? Klaus Weiss Airsports R.C. www.airsportsrc.com.au RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Mikey and 60 Acres
The fact is King County requires all pilots to have AMA membership. Even if you fly on 2.4. Even if you fly a 1 oz electric plane made of foam. Even if you fly a glider. These are the facts. No AMA and you are breaking the rules if you fly at 60 acres. -- Original message -- From: _Mikey_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] So I belong to several full scale clubs and fields, and I go to fly there. But only after the planes have been flight tested @ 60. Remember me mentioning Marymoor and Flaming Geyser? I never have a problem with any rules at these fields, and neither did I at 60, till recently. The Flaming Geyser people are really nice. Marymoor, not so much, but I got thick skin. Sounds like the tone of these prior two posts is pretty clear. Contradicting the plea for help. Schizophrenia, or blatant selfishness? This is simply the same point I made with my first posting, is that you guys just simply aren't interested in the use of the field for anyone besides yourselves. And now it's not just Sherman... It's Chris and ... someone from New Mexico??? Off I go! Have fun you guys. When they start requiring paid AMA memberships with the purchase of Air Hogs and Park Zone planes, don't hesitate to let me know. :) -- _Mikey_ _Mikey_'s Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=204221 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=862378 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Look out Gateway, I'm planning on attending!
I think the LSF needs a new task for level 5, just for Gordy. The POP OFF task. We'll let Gordy defign the task and we all get to vote on it. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi guys, I have to run over to Malasia for a week or so prior but I think I can return to St Louis on Friday evening about 9pm, then attend the contest that weekend! Likely I'll need a wheel chair to get around after that marathon flight of about 20hours or soand special consideration on pop-offs (maybe and spare 2 or 3 per round)...but looking forward to another fun contest! Gordy **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) ---BeginMessage--- Hi guys, I have to run over to Malasia for a week or so prior but I think I can return to St Louis on Friday evening about 9pm, then attend the contest that weekend! Likely I'll need a wheel chair to get around after that marathon flight of about 20hours or soand special consideration on pop-offs (maybe and spare 2 or 3 per round)...but looking forward to another fun contest! GordyWondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. ---End Message---
Re: [RCSE] Sanyo AA Eneloop Rechargeable Batteries
I am using enloope's in a 4 cell pack in all my contest planes ( 2 Perfects and a Shadow). I am using airtronics 761's and JR 368's servo's. They charge out in all cases right on the money and it would appear that I use up about 500 Mah per hour or in Voltage reading they come off the charger at 5.8v settle down to about 5.72 v and after about an hour of 1 minute tasks they are down to roughly 5.3v. I have not measured the internal cel resistance (not sure of an exact procedure to be honest) however when I get them home and cycle them I always have at least 1300 MAh left after an hour. I have NOT run them much more than an hour and a half since these are new batteries and I have little time to do a full test however at 300Mah discharge they take 3 hours to reach a full discharge. I also use them in my TX packs on my stylus. The cells are a very tight fit for this application and you have to modify the cartridge to get them to fit. I think in general although they work well in this application giving me about 6 hours of run time I would just use a 3000mah Lipo battery instead. It would be easier to fit and it would last all day. I tested the self discharge rates of the RX packs and after 6 months the pack was still at 5.6v which was reason enough for me to try them since I can literally store them all winter without fear of a deep self discharge. I can now charge--- store fly although I am religious about checking voltage between flights. Costco is selling these batteries cheap and they appear to be working quite well though I have seen sanyo with a 3500 MAH battery as well. I think this has typical self discharge features though. Let me know if you need more data. On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Robert P Buxton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone on the exchange had any first hand experience with these batteries. I acquired 4 from a friend and made up a flight pack. Cycled them twice and they were right on the money at 2000mA. My concern is that I will be running 6 JR digital servos on this battery, therefore does anyone know the internal impedance for these batteries? All comments welcome Regards, Robert *Robert P Buxton *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and prohibited from unauthorized disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.
Re: [RCSE] Re: Re: SASS HELP ALERT !! Keeping Sixty Acres South for the Greater ...
The size and weight of the electrics flying at 60 acres south has been growing steadily. I have seen 5+ lb electrics flying there in the past month. The Heli's are also getting larger. I have seen several 600 size heli's flying at 60 acres. Its only a matter of time before a 28 lb 30% Extra with the new 4 hacker motor setup shows up to fly. Even a 5 oz electirc shock flyer can do damage to a little kid just walking thru the parking lot (remember the prop is spinning at 4,000 rpms). Safety is utmost and no matter what you fly (yes even if it has no motor) SAFETY COMES FIRST. If you want to fly as I see you flying go to a private place, be it a soccer field or some other open space. When in a public park with public people walking around its a no brainer SAFETY COMES FIRST. -- Original message -- From: _Mikey_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for explaining, Sherman. :) I had typed up a pretty nasty flame, but then I cut it and didn't send it. My point to posting was to let you know what kind of reaction you caused with the electric guys. There's a couple things that are immutable about Sunday. 1: The regularity of the crowd that you were confronting. These guys (including the guy who told you not to take a picture of him) are all there pretty much whenever they can be. I've known them for months. Some for years. They show up down there more often than I do. They are regulars at the field. But nobody's disputing the fact that the glider guys were there first. And yes, we're there because of you. Obligatory humility. I know the history. I signed the petitions in 2004 2007. These guys all fly 12-24oz birds made mostly of styrofoam and perhaps a little balsa, with a few exceptions. The 4oz battery is the heaviest part. For the most part, talking about safety with that size of airplane, is like talking about safety with a 16oz frisbee, or a 24oz football. Plastic props break before they break skin, unless you *hold* your finger there like I did. :) Safety when you are talking about pounds and feet and gas, is a totally different story, and that is why the AMA safety rules were created. To keep people from getting injured by heavy birds. Park fliers think it is ridiculous to be subjected to safety rules which were written for a 5 plus pound bird. This is why your safety argument was met with such hostility by the majority of fliers. 2: The reaction of the crowd that you were confronting. Without exception, each and every single person that was there, either left to go to the other side of the road, or was upset with you and poked fun of you after you left. That reaction, inherently, over so many people, regardless of electric or glider, speaks for itself. Taking pictures of activity at the park, with these guys' knowledge of your political agenda and Who You Are, General Sherman, right after getting on them about flying over the parking lot, would certainly be interpreted as an invasion of privacy, and you don't even have to be paranoid. On sunny days, two or three people a day stop by and ask questions of me while I am flying, and I am very friendly to them. My friend from work was there on Sunday, he was actually interested in the gliders, till you came over. He *was* completely and totally unbiased. Way to teach 'em! :) My point was, and remains, that as long as you cause this kind of reaction in people, generically, whether soliciting their help or not (and are you soliciting my help as an electric guy? Or not, cause I sure am not a lawyer!), you will not succeed in your goal. That's the truth, no matter whose help you are soliciting. I'm trying to help you out and get you to chill out a little bit and perhaps change your attitude towards people you interact with. Interpersonal skill burnishing, call it. Perhaps these pointers into the electric guys behavior might be of help to you in figuring out why, when you speak at the council, you get results that you aren't expecting. Good luck. I know a lot is riding on this for you. -- _Mikey_ _Mikey_'s Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=204221 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=860486 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in
[RCSE] JR PC data transfer
Just thought I'd post this. Should be out in mid May. I've had mine on order since March. Horizon keeps pushing back the release date. Great deal and you can share setups via e-mail. Cool. http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPA310 David RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 2A2FER on RDS8000
You have summarized what I posted about 2 years ago regarding this radio. People keep posting that it is suitable for TD and DLG's but really its not at all. You may be able to find a way to attain a pre set camber position. IMHO this is not acceptable because camber is like a musical instrument you tune while you fly you don't just throw it on and hit C#. Some pilots may actually use camber like this but then again some people may possibly only hit one key on the piano and decide that is ok for them too :) I personally prefer the option of tuning my camber perfectly for the lift I am currently in. Then you realize that camber at the expense of not being able to support a launch preset just blows this radio out of the water for anything in the soaring arena aside from maybe RES I have an RD8000 and two Stylus's (styli?) Anyways I would just love to keep flying Airtronics but it appears that the engineers are really not paying attention when they write the code for these radio's. This is my last season on an Airtronics TX RX which is sad to say because I really like this radio (stylus). I think the greater of the soaring community would still be flying Airtronics as well if they would just pay a little closer attention to these details. On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Mark Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops - sent last email before it was cooked. It's time to change the subject anyway. So once you've got the servos plugged into the correct channels and the flap mix worked out, you can use the 3 pos switch to set the camber and reflex. Note that camber is only going to work on the ailerons, as we chose to use the throttle for actuating the flaps. Set reflex by putting the 3pos switch in the normal position (not the center position) - and adjusting the aileron and PF CNT (ch's 26) for what you like for reflex. Move the 3pos switch to center and use the FLAP EPA to center the ailerons - then use the other FLAP EPA to set camber. I do not like the 3pos switch on the right so I moved it to the left side and flipped it over so the away position is reflex just like the stylus. This is the recommended switch arrangement for helis (3pos on left). Unfortunately, you cannot get a launch preset for the flaps. I tried using the gear switch and cmix2 G-THR but it only moves one flap as the mixes are not pass-thru (they mix channel- channel not function - function). You can get elevator comp mix for the flaps using the throttle- elevator mix. One item you might find trouble with is the operation of the on-off slide switch on the left side labeled CMIX1-2,AUX1. I was confused if this switch was used for: 1. Aileron- Rudder Mix ON/OFF 2. AUX1 HI- LO 3. CMIX1 or 2 ON/OFF It turns out if does all 3. It definitely turns on/off aileron to rudder mix. It also turns on/off BOTH CMIX1 AND CMIX2. I can't see that it actually activates AUX1 to either high or low but it does select AUX1 high or low when setting the EPA for ch7. The switch on the right does the same for AUX2. Why is this important? If you're using either CMIX full time, you need to leave the left side switch in the up positon at all times. If you turn it off with this setup, the slave flap on aux2 goes down. You can't turn AI-RU mix off without turning off cmixes either. Not well thought out at all. Oh well. So because of the camber and launch setup limitations, this is not really a useable setup for TD, but is fine for a 2A2FER slope plane. I plan on copying this setup to use on a full-house electric (using the gear channel for the throttle). Mark RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] JR PC data transfer
Hopefully somebody that knows what they're doing. Getting the bugs out may be the reason the release date keeps getting pushed back. Rob Davis wrote: I wonder who's doing the software dev? Any idea? Rob RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] F3b winch?
Does anyone have a used F3b winch for sale? I just bought a new one, and so did a buddy, but he wants a cheap second. Anyone have one for sale. Thanks, David -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
Re: [RCSE] The Stylus, Airtronics, and Houdini
Yes its one of those new technical terms like ping lag and whackadoo :) But the context was used inappropriately. Seriously they way I type out a message and typically fail to hit spellcheck I would be surprised if there are not more errors than this. This is also slightly ironic because although Sanwa/ Airtronics has created arguably the most amazing glider oriented product to date for a TX for the last several years soaring specialists have been largely uncluded in any new developments. That being said the Stylus has stood the test of time in part due to its feature rich offering that is only just now being matched by JR and Futaba. On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 5:12 AM, Anker Berg-Sonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uncluded is a new word for me. I hope it isn't the opposite of included. :-) Anker David Webb wrote: If you subscribe to the airtronics forum they will tell you that a 10 channel 2.4 radio with a lot of bells and whistles is due out FEb 2009 but this is not a replacement for the Stylus either. This 10 channel is supposed to have enough features for the masses, glider pilots uncluded. No one has definitively stated when the stylus will be replaced with a 2.4 model. Look ont he bright side. As more and more users switch to the JR, Futaba and maybe extreme 2.4Ghz solutions, 72 MHZ gets less populated and the potential for conflicts may be reduced :) I am personally switching over next flying season myself. I would LOVE to stick with my stylus but my local flying flield is too close to another club so 2.4 is a must and soon. David Webb On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Jim Deck [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dropped by the Airtronics booth at Toledo hoping to find out if the spread spectrum module for the Stylus would be available for THIS flying season. My questions were answered with We're not sure but have you looked at the new RD 8000? I was reminded that Houdini claimed that the secret to his success as an illusionist was distraction. Still patiently waiting for my Stylus SS module, Jim Deck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Stylus V-tail setup?
Sorry if this is a double post but my message doesn't seem to be going out. Hi All, Just trying to setup my F3B Ceres on my Stylus. I was able to get Mike Smiths setup.Everything is moving the proper direction but it has 100% aileron to rudder mix. I haven't done a V-tail on my Stylus in years but I also remember you could program v-tail diff. JT, if your out there ping me. I lost all my e-mail contacts a couple weeks ago. I also lost all my Stylusboy input and I had a ton. Help, David Zucker RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Stylus V-tail setup?
I figured the setup out I was confusing my Stylus(simple) with my JR 9303(wtf) programming. ;-) If anyone would like you could fill me in on the 9303 v-tail programming, so if I ever come up to speed, I'll know how it's done. Thanks, David No flames please, I'm just having fun David Zucker wrote: Hi All, Just trying to setup my F3B Ceres on my Stylus. I was able to get Mike Smiths setup.Everything is moving the proper direction but it has 100% aileron to rudder mix. I haven't done a V-tail on my Stylus in years but I also remember you could program v-tail diff. JT, if your out there ping me. I lost all my e-mail contacts a couple weeks ago. I also lost all my Stylusboy input and I had a ton. Help, David Zucker RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Stylus V-tail setup?
Ahh I found it on the JR. The words actually match the function. :-) Thanks buddy, I'll call you if I get stuck. Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, It is real tough you go in to the first Menu look up Vtail and activate it. If you need help give me a call. Larry I figured the setup out I was confusing my Stylus(simple) with my JR 9303(wtf) programming. ;-) If anyone would like you could fill me in on the 9303 v-tail programming, so if I ever come up to speed, I'll know how it's done. Thanks, David No flames please, I'm just having fun
Re: [RCSE] The Stylus, Airtronics, and Houdini
If you subscribe to the airtronics forum they will tell you that a 10 channel 2.4 radio with a lot of bells and whistles is due out FEb 2009 but this is not a replacement for the Stylus either. This 10 channel is supposed to have enough features for the masses, glider pilots uncluded. No one has definitively stated when the stylus will be replaced with a 2.4 model. Look ont he bright side. As more and more users switch to the JR, Futaba and maybe extreme 2.4Ghz solutions, 72 MHZ gets less populated and the potential for conflicts may be reduced :) I am personally switching over next flying season myself. I would LOVE to stick with my stylus but my local flying flield is too close to another club so 2.4 is a must and soon. David Webb On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Jim Deck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dropped by the Airtronics booth at Toledo hoping to find out if the spread spectrum module for the Stylus would be available for THIS flying season. My questions were answered with We're not sure but have you looked at the new RD 8000? I was reminded that Houdini claimed that the secret to his success as an illusionist was distraction. Still patiently waiting for my Stylus SS module, Jim Deck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] SASS HELP ALERT !! Keeping Sixty Acres South for the Greater Community's Good
I have already posted email to the entire list and made a personal call. On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Paul Rickie Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RCSE, ALL! For the sake of our RC Soaring community VIA SASS, have you posted King County Council Members yet !!?? You do intend to, don't you! Of course you do!! OTOH, the TIME is NOW!! Not later, NOW!! These e-mails really need to hit the addressees by U.S. time NOW, Friday!! You only have hours--get some if you can't hit all !! See my earlier post! --Paul, Sky Pilot Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:55:41 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: From Sherman Knight We need your help again. Unfortunately, the judge ruled in the county's favor. So, now we are considering an appeal. In the meantime, we are still trying to work out a political solution. The political solution has potential, but we need your help. Back in 2002 we asked for letters from the soaring community. We thought we were going to loose the field to a sewage treatment facility. The help from you guys was nothing short of amazing and we beat the dreaded Turd Plant. We need that kind of help again. Below are the email addresses of the current council members in King County. Please send in a letter. I does not need to be a long letter, just a couple of paragraphs. It worked again and it can work again. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) The soccer association we are dealing with has an operating budget of 2.4 million with a million in the bank. All of its fields are on county property and the association has never paid a dime in rent. We are asking the county to force the Soccer association to mitigate their impacts on the current users groups and pay for the rent on a new property. Pretty simple really. After all, the county makes all developers pay million in mitigation fees, we just want a new piece of dirt. In the instant case the soccer association has stated in a declaration it wants the additional field space so it can put on larger tournaments so it can make more money. Amazing. Please do not be afraid to spread this post around to other list serves. The more the better. Some will want to know how much time do we have? Well, about a week. Our goal is 1400 letters. Every single letter makes a difference. Thanks in advanced for your help. The Seattle Area Soaring Society RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] FS1 requirements
Dave, not all applications can take advantage of the second third or even 4th core in todays CPU's. When looking at minimum requirements it can be wise to consider the overall speed of each core as the max CPU speed you may utilize. In general games are notoriously bad at utilizing second + cores. Geek speak aside, unless someone from FS1 tells you that the program will use a second core/CPU then assume it wont and meet the requirements by making sure that any dual core+ is at the required speeds. After that make sure that your new system has an NVidia video chipset in it. Not sure if the Nvidia 8800 comes in a laptop but I would go for that if I could. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the possible purchase of a laptop looming in the future I am trying to make sure that I get the right stuff. FS1 reccomends 2.8 GHz intel pentium processor and I have looked at the Intel Duo Processor 1.83 GHz/ 667Mhz. Can someone tell me if the stuff I am looking is going to do the job or do I need to go to an Intel core Duo 2.2GHz/800Mhz. or ??? Regards, Dave Corven. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] F3b in the Cal Valley
F3b and Soaring Fans, Some of us F3b guys are getting together at a fantastic soaring site in central California, Cal Valley on April 26th and 27th.. This is another one of our F3b competitions aimed at introducing F3b to new pilots. There is no better way to really learn all aspects of soaring than though F3b. And who better to learn it from than some of the very best pilots in the country. Most that have attended our previous events have never seen F3b before, and came away raving. Most comment that they learned more in an afternoon than in the past 2 years. F3b tasks force you to think about good technique and mechanics that are not usually stressed. So whether you are a TD pilot, Slope racer, fun flier, or super competative F3J guy, come out and give this a go. If you have an airplane with a hook on it, you can do this. The Cal Valley site is located on private land, where the owner operates a hotel. We are renting rooms, and planning to have cookouts together. This will make for some awesome glider guy bonding. So bring a plane, food, really good boose, and perhaps some cigars. We will have some fun. I really look forward to meeting some new faces. For more information please refer to our RCGroups thread at http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=818610 . Chime in so we can cooperate on food planing, and carpools. Most of our pilots are not RCGroups regulars, so I expect about 15 pilots to attend. See You Guys there, David Klein -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
Re: [RCSE] Ben Clerx on TV tonight
I can't find this content on the history channel web sitesomeone PVR this stuff for me! On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Joe Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I know why Ben has Tin Foil rolls and a Tin Foil hat (-: - Original Message - *From:* Lex Mierop [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Soaring@airage.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:01 AM *Subject:* RE: [RCSE] Ben Clerx on TV tonight Larry, wouldn't that be his other, other, other thing? (World Recognized international F3J pilot, commercial airline pilot, Air Combat USA pilot and now UFO hunter) I'll be watching tonight! -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:00 AM *To:* Soaring@airage.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject:* [RCSE] Ben Clerx on TV tonight So, I get home from going to a contest and I am a little tired because it was way out of town, actually about 8500 miles out of town. My body isn't sure where it is so I wake up and flip the TV on. Honestly who is walking straight towards me out of the TV is my flying buddy Ben Clerx. And I am confused because he doesn't have a chute in his hand. Apparently Our Friend Ben, is not only a World Recognized Intentional F3J Pilot, but in his spare time he is a well known UFO Hunter. Apparently Ben will do just about anything to raise those funds to go to Istanbul. So if you want to see Ben doing his other thing, he will be on the History Channels UFO Hunters tonight Wednesday. Apparently there is a side of Ben that his friends don't see where he isn't wearing that Floppy Gardening hat. If everything goes well and he gets a spin off sitcom, we may all see TV cameras at all of our large contests. Way to go Ben! LJ -- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Financehttp://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp0030002850 .
[RCSE] F3b winch FS
Hello guys, As I have become more focussed on F3b, I have purchased a new, more blinged-out winch and a bunch of new mono filament line. In oder to suplament this addictive habit, I have to sell my current F3b winch. With all of the current interest in F3b, the used winch market has become scarce, so don't think about this one too long. I expect it to go fast. I bought this winch and turnaround from Aaron Valdes around January of 2007. I have used it for a little more than a year. It functions perfectly. It includes, the winch, a pedal, a hand switch to be used in stead of the pedal, the turnaround, an F3b parachute, and whatever line is currently on the winch. If you are interested in seeing it in person, I will be using it this weekend at the Torrey Pines Gulls TD field in Poway, Ca. I will also be using it at the upcoming F3b competition in the Cal Valley. I prefer a local California pickup, as I can get it to most people in CA without shipping. But I will consider shipping it at the expense of the buyer. So I am asking $750 for the complete package, plus any shipping costs. To put that into perspective, I am paying $2115.00 for my new gear from Europe. Here is a link to the sale on RCGroups.com, lots of pictures http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=850173#post9570106 Thank You, David Klein -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
Re: [RCSE] Looking for a contest plane
That is how I got into this sport to be honest. Ron Turner of Vancouver sold me his Stratos in almost the smae shape :) On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 5:06 PM, tony estep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a Pike Perfect, a little bit of a fixer-upper: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1806429
Re: [RCSE] Help
Jerry do you need help getting off dialup? I know its an adictive technology with all the beepwschrchhh beeebong beebong tszz but seriously man just call a broadband provider. As for the exchange it appears to be working On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Jerry Shape [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if this will get out or not but I thought I would give this a shot. I have not got a post off the exchange for the last couple of weeks and don't know why. If anyone can help me drop me a note. I need to get off dail up. Thanks Jerry
Re: [RCSE] New sanyo batteries
I have been extensively testing these batteries for over 6 months. They are installed in my TX and RX on my primary and secondary Pike Perfects. The reduced self discharge rate is totally true. My RX packs held 5.75 v for 6 months which is what they were 10 mins afetr the charge was complete. I charge mine using a triton charger at .6-1A. with no heat issues at all. Discharge at .4-.6A takes about 2.5 hours and I have not had a pack tat was not witin +5% of rated capacity. These are great charge and store batteries. I tested the self discharge features at temperature ranges from -16C to +30C no issues. You should be able to litterally charge your system and leave it for the winter and come Spring you will have far less potential of severe discharge issues. Charge --- Store--- fly! On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone using the new sanyo eneloop batteries? The sanyo site says they have reduced internal resistence, but they don't give numbers. Just sales info. -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] New sanyo batteries
No they are your basic consumer AA cels make sure you use a hot soldering iro so you don't have to sit there with the iron heating up the whole cel. On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 7:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've poked around and didn't notice... but do they come with solder tabs? I didn't see any. Kurt Quoting David Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have been extensively testing these batteries for over 6 months. They are installed in my TX and RX on my primary and secondary Pike Perfects. The reduced self discharge rate is totally true. My RX packs held 5.75 v for 6 months which is what they were 10 mins afetr the charge was complete. I charge mine using a triton charger at .6-1A. with no heat issues at all. Discharge at .4-.6A takes about 2.5 hours and I have not had a pack tat was not witin +5% of rated capacity. These are great charge and store batteries. I tested the self discharge features at temperature ranges from -16C to +30C no issues. You should be able to litterally charge your system and leave it for the winter and come Spring you will have far less potential of severe discharge issues. Charge --- Store--- fly! On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone using the new sanyo eneloop batteries? The sanyo site says they have reduced internal resistence, but they don't give numbers. Just sales info. -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format !DSPAM:47f987c6721844697714321! This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
[RCSE] Torrie Pines Flying
Hello, I'm going to be in La Jolla next week starting this Sunday. At this moment I am planning on bringing my Half Pipe along. What I want to know is it possible for visitors to fly at the Torrie Pines slope? The website for the Gulls mentions a series of achievement's / tasks that members need to do, and then indicates that visitors fall under a different criteria. What that criteria is I can't seem to find. Am I wasting my time to bring the sloper along??? Any help would be greatly appreciated. D RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Aileron Flap Carbon Fiber Pushrods
I think that the concerning issue is your response time on the flaps. Almost everyone who owns a contest sailplane has been here and failed to retract the flaps in time. I use carbon push rods as do most of the contest pilots these days. I don't think there is an obviously less damaging choice between carbon or metal push rods. The fact is that if you fail to pull up the flaps you should expect damage in one form or another and its usually in the flap linkage connections. I would not expect a reprieve from this damage in your choice of push rod material. Use an elastic on your flap stick if you can't get into better form on your flaps. On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Michael Whitman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't had first hand experience with carbon pushrods but I would guess that you could also run the risk of stripping a servo with a stiffer linkage if you failed to retract the flaps on landing again. It's cheaper to replace or fix the pushrod instead of a wing servo. Mike On Apr 3, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Robert P Buxton wrote: Open Question to the group: Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with using carbon fiber push rods for their aileron flap servo linkage. This past season, due to slow thumb response at that critical moment of retracting flaps just before touch down, I was bending the flap push rods (bottom hinged, linkage on top of flap, servo arm on bottom of wing. Carbon fiber rods would give stiffness/rigidity but would they be prone to breakage? This set up was/and is on a F3J 144 Shadow. All comments and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Robert *Robert P Buxton **CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and prohibited from unauthorized disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. *
[RCSE] Torrey Pines wrap up
Well fellow race fans, I am happy to report another great race at Torrey is in the books. We had 29 racers come out and test their skills amongst the best in the US. Paul Naton traveled the furthest from Pennsylvania, With Ron Vann and Tim Bigley coming in from the San Francisco bay area, as well as Joel Cagnon from Santa Barbara. We were joined by a few new F3F pilots Joe Rodrigues of TD fame, TPG president Parvis Kamiab, TPG raffle coordinator Alan 'Moose' Butler, local Mark Canfield, and perhaps Robert Lopez (not positive it was his first time). We held our Pilots meeting in the glider port's office at 9:00 am on Saturday, and got round zero underway around 11:00 am. Conditions were consistently building, and by round 1 our last pilot in the roster Tom Copp of F3X.com fame threw down a blistering 40.80 second run. Time would later prove that to be the fast time of the contest. For a 29 pilot event, things were moving very quickly, finishing each round in less than an hour. We finished things up around 5:00pm, finishing 6 rounds (0-5). Saturday evening brought some light showers and clearing winds for Sunday. Flyable at sunrise, we had great air for our 10:15 am start. We finished our last round around 3:45 pm and gathered for awards presentation. We all knew who were going to stand at the podium. Tim Bigley was the consistent competitor, flying smoothly all weekend. Making no mistakes was good enough to earn him a 3rd place podium spot. Tom Copp seemed to have things all wrapped up after the absolute clinic he put on Saturday, but Kyle was coming on strong on Sunday. It was anyone's guess. Kyle ended up sneaking away with the victory, by a mere .041% Great job Tom and Kyle. I learned allot from your guys's performance. So here are the scores, 1 P Kyle9573.53 2 Copp 9569.65 3 Bigley9424.06 4 Smith 9339.89 5 Cone 9291.80 6 L G 9114.21 7 Field 9089.37 8 Klein 8940.82 9 Paulson,Kyler 8887.21 10 Reel 8813.98 11 Vann 8756.63 12 Neja 8719.93 13 DelHagen 8624.05 14 Meitzer 8515.08 15 Monte 8458.07 16 Rackliffe 8430.82 17 B Bob 8414.10 18 Bates 8329.00 19 Harju 8216.11 20 Liberatore8203.70 21 Jolly 8088.02 22 Seaman7892.82 23 Cagnon7823.61 24 Rodriguez 7718.65 25 C M 7344.03 26 B A 5468.89 27 N P 4185.53 28 Lopez 3817.36 29 Kamiab2276.59 I am currently writing an article for RCSD, please send me your photos for addition to the article. -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
Re: [RCSE] Just Got My New TD Ship in the Mail Today!
MessageI too just picked up a new Shadow. Time to start assembly, as soon as Tuan starts his build thread:) - Original Message - From: TDL To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 4:57 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Just Got My New TD Ship in the Mail Today! Having been away from the Soaring scene since last Sept, I had to treat my symptoms with a couple new F3X.COM Shadows. Documenting the progress as I put her together. Laptop in the Garage using 2.4g wireless router. Will post the build on RCgoups. This in addition to the 2 Pike Perfects I had just finish prior... well make that 2.5 Perfects. My first Perfect died a peculiar death, only the tips and stab are reusueable. Got replacement parts coming. Now as if that was not enough, I have just been exposed to another infectious disease... I think you call it F3F, been doing some reading on it. Pretty contagiously exciting stuff. Oh yeah, life is good. Anyway, hope we cross paths again, I could use a I Beat Gordy button, have a great weekend everyone. Tuan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 1:44 PM To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Just Got My New TD Ship in the Mail Today! Just got home from soaring some in Tullahoma TN yesterday morning, and it being already about 5 oclock, I was slipping into soaring withdrawals when my Catahoula started barking her UPS bark. Sure enough, like a message from the soaring godsit was the new ship I'd been waiting for a few months to get. Can't wait to get started on it! Full house fully molded, but some assembly required as with most today. Its all white, so I'll have to add some color to it as usual. Totally 2.4 friendly fuse, so I'll be installing a Spektrum system in it likely. How about you guys? Any new planes arrive, or on their way for this season? Gordy Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1347 - Release Date: 3/27/2008 7:15 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1347 - Release Date: 3/27/2008 7:15 PM
[RCSE] Pike Superior for sale
I am selling my Superior (carbon 68) x-tail. It is yellow with red bottoms. Volts servos all around and a 2400 mah 5 cell battery (no receiver). Also included is a Pike Superior Electric fuse (yellow) with the servos for the elevator and rudder installed. I will include an Aveox F12 LMR motor with a 80A speed controller. I want $800 for the Superior and $350 for the electric fuse and motor. $1150 for all including shipping to lower 48. I have a zip file with pictures so if interested e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Line of sight
Not to argue but for the people new to the concept of 2.4 there are scenarios that they may be confusing. For example, I fly a few times a year at a club off of the Columbia river in Oregon. Blue lake park is like flying out of a bowl picture this in your minds eye; To the right of you is the levy or dike of the Columbia River and to your left is a park with a small grove of trees which you must always avoid on your landing pattern. You thread between the dyke and the tree on every approach and landing. On several occasions I have been on the other side of these trees and had my plane drop into heavy sink and out of my line of sight. I have to either run around into view or wait and see how it comes out. I have never had anyone tell me that after dropping behind the trees that my 72 MhZ system glitched or lost control. I can imagine that this is just one scenario that the uninformed are concerned about. No one is arguing the fact that if my plane drops behind a barn, mountain or other large land mass that I have larger issue such as what the hell was I thinking? but there are a lot of other little pieces of minutia to converse of the line of sight debate. This season I will be looking for some 2.4 setups to run back into this area and check signal :) On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find this discussion somewhat strange. After all isn't the term line of sight pretty self expanatory. It doesn't make any difference whether you are flying 2.4 or 72 or 35, if your bird goes behind a building, a dense tree line, a hill, etc. and you can't see it then you probably can't fly it very well and if it doesn't come back into view pretty quick then it doesn't make much difference if the rx continues to get a signal or not. The only savior now is if you have fail safe and it's programed to work, you may have a chance to get you bird back with little or damage. Maybe. Of course if radio is still communicating and you try to continue to fly blind, good luck. Regards, Dave Corven. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Breaking the 40 Spektrum Radio Barrier
This is likely to start an IT geeky discussion but its worth mentioning. This brings up my very first concern on this band. My concern was that there are literally hundreds of gain boosting products on the market for 2.4 Wimax technology. Many of these devices such as home routers and small to large business line of sigh WiMax shots get amped up by the IT department. I know I found a 10X gain booster for my home system. Now considering that most of these routers have their own range of channels and can switch between dedicated channels to a mode that basically hops channels until things hook up you can begin to see the challenge in this unregulated band in areas of high population. Luckily most of the units have a 150 foot range but with a major gain booster that could go up to 1000 feet. I improved mine enough to setup a WIDE area network between my house and my neighbors house about 900 feet away. I can get a small boost using a 2.4 aircard in a laptop and a pringles canthe technology is out there and the freq is unregulated. Consider the carnage potential at the next major event when some Frankenstein WIMAX WIFI solution fires up... not currently a challenge with multiple Chanel acquisition but without regulation how long will it be until something is created that flies through the channels in order to create better security for the ever increasing IT security threats? 900MhZ phones had that in the 90's and Sanyo is touting DSS at 2.4 as well. Its slightly different technology but my concern is that its simply not regulated. So while I will still move to 2.4 next year I will be paying close attention to this band. Let the bashing begin... http://ca.sanyo.com/en-CA/communications/cordless/special_features.cfm On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Bill Bunny Kuhlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While 2.4 GHz virtually eliminates interference issues, it should be noted that using this frequency in nations other than the U.S. may be increasingly problematic. I understand Germany has just put out a notice that RC is not to use the 2.4 GHz band, stating it is a national security issue. Belgium seems to have banned RC use of 2.4 GHz a couple years ago. Additionally, I just read a notice that France has limited power output of 2.4 GHz systems to 10 MW, as opposed to the 100 MW standard elsewhere. (One of our South African correspondents has stated Horizon Hobbies put out a letter stating that Spektrum sets made for use in the US are illegal in South Africa and a number of European countries.) Late last year, CIAM, the FAI body, was discussing upcoming legislation in Europe as it applied to 2.4 GHz RC. Seems the EU is getting a lot of pressure from WiMax operators to ban RC use of the frequencies. We'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has accurate current information on this topic. -- Bill Bunny Kuhlman RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Special Sportube TSA lock now offered!
I had no idea you could not lock things up anymore. On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sportube.com/pages/TSA_lock.html I'd been making my own gizmo up to use the standard TSA lock on my tubes, comprised of a 3/16 carriage bolt with its end flattened and drilled to fit the hook of the TSA lock. For those of you who don't know it, you can't use 'locks' on baggage any more, but you can use the special TSA lock, which is a combo lock with a key slot for TSA agents to open the lock to inspect baggage. No need now that there is this cable version. IF you were thinking of getting a Sportube...well its a case of Wait and Wailthey are out and have been for awhile. Best bet is to see if Barry Kennedy has a used one he might part with since he uses them to ship planes to customers. Gordy -- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Homehttp://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom000301 .
Re: [RCSE] Local news :-)
Keep shifting manually something is making it slip On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Craig Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me and my Old Falcon Convertible were on the local news this morning... The reporter is totally into RC planes... Turns out his very first story was of a Jet fun fly in Woodland Ca. He has never flown RC, but always wanted to... So I invited him out to out next contest and he accepted... I'll let him fly my AVA and we will promote a fly for free for the general public... And promote that you can get into this hobby for as little as $200 Hopefully we can get some new young blood into RC soaring :-) Craig PS.. If anyone has knowledge of 45 year old Ford 2 speed transmissions please contact me.. :-) Mine is slipping, but only when I let it shift by its self.. if I shift manually its fine
Re: [RCSE] JR 9303 Flap Programming Question
You also need to set the flapern mix. Its just above the flap rate. Set the values to +100 and you should see them work. -- Original message -- From: Chris Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just got a 9303 for an incredible price, and have run into a wall trying to convert all my gliders over to it. I've followed this post as a guide from rcgroups: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=347609 My problem is that I try adjusting the flaps in the flap rates and camber mix menus, but I don't see any change in the flaps as I move the various switches for the various flight modes. I'm trying to program a Berg 4l, berg 7 channel, and a jr700 rx. Is there something that I'm missing? I've tried to program this like I would my JR 6102, but this is an entirely different beast. FYI, I'm trying to program three DLGs, and a 3M Trio, as well as a couple of 2Ms. Thanks for the help, Chris Rose RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] The REALLY BIG deal about 2.4
I can second this factor. In every hay field I have considered there are at least two reports of hey I think there are a bunch of guys who fly on the next farm or two over ... go there! of course these pilots range from dedicated power flyers to people who have just picked up something off of Ebay and have no idea what they are doing so removing the spectre of conflicts is my number one priority for 09. David Webb On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Jim Laurel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As populations grow and expan into formerly rural areas, land suitable for use as flying fields is becoming increasingly scarce. And having to keep fields at least 3 miles apart to ensure no channel conflicts reduces the possibilities even further. The biggest impact of 2.4 is that flying fields can now be closer together, which means that new fields will be possible that simply weren't viable before. All the technical arguments notwithstanding, 2.4 will be instrumental in helping us to solve our number 1 problem: a rapidly dwindling inventory of places to fly. --Jim Laurel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What's the big deal about 2.4? - Lag...okay now we are getting ...
The increase in responce is comparable to using fast servos. I can without a doubt tell the difference. I fly planes with fast servos and rearward C.G.s I also fly planes fast as well as slow. But you do have to realize that ths latency is before the servo. So whether the servo is fast or slow, or the plane is fast or slow, the latency is added on. It counts. 72 MHz is good. a 368 servo on your elevator is good. But a 3421 is faster, and you can tell. So you can tell with moving from 72 to 2.4. But like everyone else said, it isn't a big enough reason in itself to pay good money to move to 2.4. It is however another very valid reason 2.4 is better than 72. So for now, most of my planes are still 72, but a few are 2.4. I like 2.4better, eventually all of my planes will be 2.4 On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 2:01 PM, TG Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would expect a heli guy to be able to tell a difference. But to be honest, I think it all boils down to a quote from one of my favorite movies...Bull Durham. Crash Davis If you believe you're flying well because you're getting laid, or because you're not getting laid, or because you wear women's underwear, or breathing out of your eyelids, or using a 2.4 Spektrum Radio, then you ARE! And you should know that! [*long pause*] So in the end it's whatever you like. I believe that everyone believes what they are saying, they are all right. Tom (Flying 72 MEG because I can't tell a difference and when everyone else has left I will be all alone with my stock 9303.) -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:46:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [RCSE] What's the big deal about 2.4? - Lag...okay now we are getting ... To: Soaring@airage.com I understand that some of you will have skepticism in regard to the increase in performance from the 2.4 Spread Spektrum Systems. The first time that I flew a my 9303X 2.4 system in a glider I got the feeling I was better connected to the glider. I did some high speed dives and pulled the elevator in a pylon turn. I definitely could sense a faster response. Remember this effect is amplified because I fly a pretty aft CG. In November I was doing some Helicopter prep for a movie, and installed the 9303X and with 921RX in a previously flown machine. This particular Heli features a 3 servo CCPM mixing system to steer the head. In this case there was no doubt about the improvement in response and lack of slop in the system. I got the feeling that I was really hooked up, kind of like flying with tight strings instead of loose ones. So, I know there is an improvement available with the SS 2.4 systems. But too be honest with you, I would be more intrigued with 2.4 because of the lack of frequency conflicts, and great range of equipment available from Horizon. I know some of you will not try 2.4 for any number of reasons. But I can list several friends who have tried it, seen the advantage and now are switching entire fleets over to Spread Spektrum 2.4 systems. All my best Larry -- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance.http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301 -- Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! Learn more.http://biggestloser.msn.com/ -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
[RCSE] RTS Soaring Works
Does anyone know Dan Stang of RTS Soaring Works. He is a builder in New Jersey and I and others have been trying to get a hold of him for over a week. His cell phone will not accept anymore messages. Any help would be appreciated. David
Re: [RCSE] What's the big deal about 2.4?
The attraction is primarily for those who fly at contests or in areas of crowded frequencies. You see if you go to a moderately sized contest you will be forced to share a frequency pin with one or even more of your 72 MHZ brethren. If one of them screws up and flips on their TX ( assuming there is no TX impound) You may likely lose your aircraft. The last contest of the season for me is a prefect example. I am just getting my legs in TD and F3J having only flown RC for maybe 4 years max. I flew at every major contest for the last two years. At the last big tournament some guy shows up with my frequency and we are both forced to impound our TX's for the entire weekend checking with the impound manager and the other pilot for the frequency pin every time I wanted to tweak my plane, fly a round or even check the battery life on my TX (ok I could do that with the Stylus without a signal but the impound manager would fill his/her pants) So not only do I have to consider that at this contest there were several northwest contenders in TD but I have to contend with the potential of a shoot down if the conflict system fails. I distinctly remember the background stress this added to the contest. I would have been glad to simply be able to turn on and go For that I would be happy to fart around with technically painful solutions. Unfortunately, I have to buy planes for the WC and the extra 1400 for two 2.4 systems is just not in the budget. I also could benefit from 2.4 as I fly at relatively long distances and my private field which is a monster hay field is right on the edge of the frequency range of another small R/C flight field close by. People show up, see no one else at their field and power on all the time the thought crossed my mind today when I had a split second glitch on my flaps. Food for thought - these are the main considerations for me. Others might be attracted to the feature rich options that this bandwidth offers and several new idiot proof solutions in the new TX's that stop you from using the wrong model memory with the wrong plane etc. All good reasons to get the solution working and lets face it. R/C Soaring pilots are almost certainly always itching to do the impossible. When someone says you can't install 2.4 in a carbon fuse you know they are going to fire up the collective hive (my appologies to Startrek) and come up with a solution. We are the high end geeks of the R/C community after all (said with distinction I might add) David Webb On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Joe Parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using my trusty Stylus with Glider Card for almost as long as I've been serious about the sport. It has been essentially trouble free, has no problems with installation and has far more functionality than I could ever dream of using. So I read here about all the challenges involved with 2.4. I can understand relishing technical challenges—but what is the attraction of this apparently finicky and expensive technology? I just don't get it. Could someone 'splain to me what the big deal is? Joe Parsons RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What's the big deal about 2.4?
NO FREQUENCY CONTROL BOARD. You are free to fly anytime you like and do not have to locate others on your frequency. -- Original message -- From: Joe Parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been using my trusty Stylus with Glider Card for almost as long as I've been serious about the sport. It has been essentially trouble free, has no problems with installation and has far more functionality than I could ever dream of using. So I read here about all the challenges involved with 2.4. I can understand relishing technical challenges-but what is the attraction of this apparently finicky and expensive technology? I just don't get it. Could someone 'splain to me what the big deal is? Joe Parsons ---BeginMessage--- Ive been using my trusty Stylus with Glider Card for almost as long as Ive been serious about the sport. It has been essentially trouble free, has no problems with installation and has far more functionality than I could ever dream of using. So I read here about all the challenges involved with 2.4. I can understand relishing technical challengesbut what is the attraction of this apparently finicky and expensive technology? I just dont get it. Could someone splain to me what the big deal is? Joe Parsons ---End Message---
Re: [RCSE] Speaking of Fuutaba...
Proof once again You get what you pay for -- Original message -- From: TDL [EMAIL PROTECTED] One of the many really kool feature of the Futaba radio I am using is that I can take an actual photo of my plane and load it into the Futaba's TX's screen to give me a visual of the actual model. To date I havent tried to fly a Pike Perfect with the Pike Superior settings. Helps a lot too when you have a few of the same birds so you don't have to remember Pike Perfect 1, Pike Perfect 2 etc... just glance at the Futaba screen and you will know which model is loaded. Now if only Futaba can make fast enough the 2.4g retrofit for the standard MZ's it would be great. Did I mention I love the Futaba 14MZ? -Original Message- From: Craig Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 7:44 PM To: Albert E. Wedworth; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] 2.4 install how to? Al, You had me right up tell you said Stylus I thought your parents raised you better Al :-) Now if you had said Futaba 9C... One. I would of made $1 and two, you would of shown how smart you are :- A Stylus up against a Futaba is kind of like Dos up against Mac Very Ugly :- Craig. Long Live 72 :-) 42 years of using it and no problems yet The financial crisis is kind of like people swimming nude in the ocean... You don't know how ugly it is tell the tides gone out... And then its very very ugly... Warren Buffet Albert E. Wedworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys I find it kinda silly that all of you converts using 2.4 need instructions to install a receiver in a plane Can't have Carbon/Kevlar in your fuse, drilling holes in a fuse so the silly little antennas wiskers stick out just to find it didn't work, data loggers. ( just pure silliness ) Also while all of you folks are wasting you cash on some radio that doesn't compare to the Stylus in any way shape or form or can't do the things that sailplanes need to do. I'm buying planes and flying! Not wondering where to put the silly little whisker antennas or if the install gona work in my TOY sailplane. The Best part is I won't have to worry about all you guys on my channel (; = ! I fly on 72 meg's and I don't need instructions. Also I WON'T be using 2.4 in the future either! I like my Airtronics Stylus radio and see no need to change EVER! Loving 72 meg on ch 51 Al In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -George Orwell- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1310 - Release Date: 3/4/2008 8:35 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1310 - Release Date: 3/4/2008 8:35 AM ---BeginMessage--- Title: Message One of the many really kool feature of the Futaba radio I am using is that I can take an actual photo of my plane and load it into the Futaba's TX's screento give mea visual of the actual model. To date I havent tried to fly a Pike Perfect with the Pike Superior settings. Helps a lot toowhen you have a few of the same birds so you don't have to remember Pike Perfect 1, Pike Perfect 2 etc... just glance at the Futaba screen and you will know which model is loaded. Now if only Futaba can make fast enoughthe 2.4g retrofitfor the standard MZ's it would be great. Did I mention I love the Futaba 14MZ? -Original Message-From: Craig Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 7:44 PMTo: Albert E. Wedworth; soaring@airage.comSubject: Re: [RCSE] 2.4 install how to? Al,You had me right up tell you said "Stylus" I thought your parents raised you better Al :-) Now if you had said Futaba 9C... One. I would of made $1 and two, you would of shown how smart you are :- A Stylus up against a Futaba is kind of like Dos up against Mac Very Ugly :- "Craig. Long Live 72 :-) 42 years of using it and no problems yetThe financial crisis is kind of like people swimming nude in the ocean... You don't know how ugly it is tell the tides gone out... And then its very very ugly..." Warren Buffet"Albert E. Wedworth" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys I find it kinda silly that all of you converts using 2.4 need instructions to install a receiver in a plane Can't have Carbon/Kevlar inyour fuse, drilling holes in a fuse so the silly little antennas wiskers stick out just to find it didn't work, data loggers. ( just pure silliness ) Also while all of you folks are wasting you cash on some radio that doesn't compare to the Stylus in any way shape or form or can't do the things that sailplanes need to do. I'm buying planes and flying! Not wondering where to put the
Re: [RCSE] F3J Fundraiser Contest this weekend??
Yes, it is this weekend at Poway. I'll be armed with my freshly acquired Sharon, and probably setting it up early in the morning before the contest. This will be my first Unlimited TD plane flying on 2.4. No pin baby, yeah. BTW, the SC2 contest is on Sunday at the Poway thermal field. On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 11:27 PM, Michael Morjoseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any idea if the F3J Fundraiser Contest is this weekend at poway on Sunday?? If so I need to get a plane ready for Battle Bigger is always Better at Poway I am thinking hmm 3.7 Meters maybe Miss Sharon would fit the Bill If so please bring Tshirts for Sale if someone has them Available Mike.M Team SWSA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
Re: [RCSE] 2.4 install how to?
Wow that's a silly post and I fly with a stylus as well. Besides the cool feature of anyone on channel 51 being able to take you out nice and quick what features are you thinking you get that someone on a JR or Futaba 2.4 does not? I flew a friends 9303 last year. He had everything I needed. Laucnh, reflex, camber, delay, full mixingall this and his radio did not weight 14 pounds like my stylus...Not an issue unless yo also fly DLG's like I do as well. I like the right and left sliders for camber and reflex on my stylus thats unique... no wait i think i see a tab on the back of the Futaba faast system...what am I missing? On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quiet Al! Let them go! We'll be better off with out them. Well, that is until we join them. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] The new Jr 12X
How can you complain about a high end unit being expensive? I know JR produces the whole line, 72, 2.4 cheap expensive... Thje only company that used to be able to claim the kind of support that JR does now is Airtronics. And that is a used to be. So thank you JR, for bringing competative hardware to the market, and for all of the support you bring to our soaring community. F3X teams, JR Aerotow, World Soaring Masters, and most other large sailplane events around the US. I appreciate it, and I do not where a red shirt. Thanks, David Klein On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 8:28 AM, B. Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: @1500.00 per unit, :-| =-O one would really need support after getting one. Brian Whatever At least we support soaring. 8^) -- Brian Chan, An Electric Airplane Junkie @ San Mateo.Ca.USA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
Re: [RCSE] The new Jr 12X
Nice, I have been watching this development. I would really like a 12 channel, full function, transmitter for future projects. I look forward to hearing more about it. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 8:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, I just wanted to get the word out that the new JR 12X has reached the stage of Team Field Testing and that it should be available to you soon. I was lucky enough to snag one of the Test units and can tell you that this is going to be a very Good Sailplane system. Basic features are a full 12 channels, 6- 3 position switches on the TX, 5 Flight Modes and 8 programmable Mixes. The system is designed for 4 or 6 servo wings with easy adjustment for all surfaces, 50 model memory, and Aero,Heli, and Glider software. The 12 channel Rx 's are going to be awesome for the Scale sailplane flyers, while most of us will fly our TD ships with a 921Thats right it is on 2.4. I will fly it this weekend, and report more as testing continues. So for those of you waiting for the PCM 10 replacement or want a little more than 9303 be patient a little longer it is happening. Larry -- Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598 -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
Re: [RCSE] Seriously offended
Its true, When you first start following RCSE, you jump on the I hate Gordy's post bandwagon. The amount of time you waste reading his posts cements that in you for a while (damn it is happening right now). Then you meet him, and he is so nice and personable, you flip flop and start to really like him. Then he writes public emails that he includes you in, which are usually a bit false (innocently enough) and the cycle starts over again. I think allot of our animosity from his posts start with a bit of jealousy over how much he gets to travel and fly. But that Travel and fly time is inversely proportional to his eat dinner with the family time. So in the end, I wouldn't trade places, no matter how much I like glider vacations. Lesson to Gordy, write half as much, think and edit twice as much, and submit to magazines. You will further our sport and be revered for your writing. We will all chant Go Gordy. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 8:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ira, Welcome to RCSE! Gordy Offends Everyone it's his job! Although I have to admit he gets to grow on you when you figure him out. LJ Oooh.. Now you can expect a private email from the G-dude himself correcting you of your ways. :) - Original Message - From: Ira Faberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring Soaring@airage.com, gordysoar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:48:13 -0700 Subject: [RCSE] Seriously offended Gordy- You said Come on you guys, get involved and share! and when I took your invitation to share, you call my carefully thought out work silly and wacky and claim it has nothing to do with reality? Your behavior is offensive to me. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598 -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
RE: [RCSE] Seriously offended - A common occurrence
Heck what do you think I felt like when Gordy called my shiny new red X-Pro a pig in a poke. I was outraged. I was so offended I wanted to sue somebody for viloating my civil rights. How could anyone speak there mind like that in a county that allows such behavior. The only thing I could do to aleviate my stress was to hit the delete key. The constitution does not grant the right not to be offended. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ira, Per the comments below from the rest of the posting gang, I have to also agree with them. Emails often are hard to read the way the author writes them. Likewise, if you post, like I have, you will get the same reply. You will be slapped down. Turn the other cheek, and realize we are all have a bit of idiot in us all. Heaven knows, everyone will tell us so. In general, you have to be thick skinned (as noted below), you have to learn to use you delete key, and you have to know that is it just water rolling off a turtle's back. In many cases, those who reply only see what they want to see and read, and have their ways set in stone. I, too, feel the same many times. What all this does is make you sit back and not reply. That is not to say that sitting back is good, but it does make you realize that flying is alot better than being an armchair pilot. Then againyou could switch to a Woody class to get your LSF V wins when you strike out in the Open class. Woodies are for Old Timers LOL. Chris Adams Original Message Subject: Re: [RCSE] Seriously offended From: Ira Faberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, February 28, 2008 9:37 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Soaring@airage.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks guys. At least I am not alone in taking offense. It now remains to be seen how magnanimous a man Gordy is. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 9:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ira, Welcome to RCSE! Gordy Offends Everyone it's his job! Although I have to admit he gets to grow on you when you figure him out. LJ Oooh.. Now you can expect a private email from the G-dude himself correcting you of your ways. :) - Original Message - From: Ira Faberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring Soaring@airage.com, gordysoar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:48:13 -0700 Subject: [RCSE] Seriously offended Gordy- You said Come on you guys, get involved and share! and when I took your invitation to share, you call my carefully thought out work silly and wacky and claim it has nothing to do with reality? Your behavior is offensive to me. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Fwd: F3F at Torrey, pilots list
Well race fans, The current pilots list for the upcoming Torrey Pines Classic F3F race on March 29th and 30th is published. I would like to note that many racers who will be at the even have yet to sign up. KYLE... You can visit http://torreypinesgulls.org/TPGclassic.htm to view the pilots list or sign up. I would like to note that many recognizable figures have signed up, Mike Smith, Tim Bigley, Tom Copp, Tim Cone, and Larry Jolly making his F3F premiere. This will be an event not to miss. There has been a lot of work that has gone into running a really organized event. This will look much more like a major soaring contest, than an ad hock slope race. Signing up is simple, just fill out the online form. You can either pay though Paypal, or mail in a check. so make it easier on those of us planning the event, and sign up now. Since lunch for Saturday and Sunday is catered by the gliderport, having a pilots list helps. David Klein -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
[RCSE] California Cup F3F series
It was in the late 1990's that Tom Copp and some slope racing friends would see photos and read an article in a soaring magazine about the incredible time the Europeans were having slope racing F3F. Shortly after, Tom would contact Kevin Newton, a top European Pilot and F3F racer, together they would coordinate the first ever F3F race in America! Held in 1999 at the famous Torrey Pines Glider Port in Southern California and hosted by the Torrey Pines Gulls, the first F3F event would draw big names such as John McCurdy, Kevin Newton, Richard Frawley, Tim Cone, Tom Copp and more. Yes, some of the best pilots in Europe flew 1000's of miles, to race with the Americans for the first time! Now almost 10 years later, F3F racing is as strong as ever! Veterans like Tim and Tom are still as fast as ever, and now, schooled and mentored by these vets, a new generation of F3F racers are giving them a run for their money! This year, The Southern California Slope Racing Organization (SCSR), launches the first ever California Cup F3F race series. A series of 8 races, all held at sights considered to be the best slope racing sights in Southern California. These sights were selected for their quality landing zones, their beauty, weather data supporting good conditions for the time of year and most importantly, these sights tend to draw the biggest crowds and attract the best pilots from all over California! Locations such as Torrey Pines, Point Fermin and Grass Mountain! Expect to make friends and hang with your buddies. Watch up close, some of the best pilots in the USA compete for The Cup! See what a composite plane moving at over 100mph looks like two feet off the ground! Compare your skills and learn new techniques. All are welcome and encouraged to come, whether you compete or just want to see the action. For more info, race schedule and locations click here: *http://www.socalsloperacing.com/calcup2008.htm* * * Come and join us! Looking forward! -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
Re: [RCSE] Interesting camera invention.
Very cool. Essentially they are capturing more data and adding photoshop ellements right into the hardware. I can't believe it took them this long... On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Craig Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those of you who are also into photography, I found this amazing new technology... http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9876296-39.html?tag=nefd.lede RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Sign up Reminder, Torrey Pines Classic
Dear Racing Fans, Don't forget to sign up for the upcoming Torrey Pines Classic, March 29th and 30th. This will be one of the most prestigious races this year. Nothing beast coastal racing at one of the most beautiful venues on earth. This year's rain's have made the grass green and thick, perfect for landing the most pristine glider. Lunches for both days are included in the cost, as are all glider port day use fees. Rules, regulations, and sign ups can be found here online. http://torreypinesgulls.org/TPGclassic.htm Paypal or Check accepted. We are also asking for volunteers to help run the event. Duties will include Safety and landing spotters, turn judges, and impound duties. We hope to have enough volunteers to rotate through the responsibilities. All volunteers will be treated to lunch at the glider port, as well as the utmost appreciation from the participating pilots and the glider community. Thanks, David Klein -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
Re: [RCSE] My Dad,... U'R Dad?
Hey Craig thanks for sharing this. Having just lost my mother, father and sister witin a very short period I can echo your thoughts. One day they will be gone and you may have some fond memories like this one to relive. David On Feb 17, 2008 8:33 PM, Craig Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wanted to share this with everyone... My Mother called me last week and told me she was worried about my Dad and his health... He's 85, Fought in the battle of Britten at age 17 and was a B-24 pilot once America joined the war... He has trouble breathing now because he was a 50 year smoker..Its touch and go with him... Never knowing if this is the day. So I took over to their house my latest Electric tow plane to put together A Stinger 120 ARF using a 5340AXIS and A123 batteries.. Thanks Brian Chan :-)))... He loved it... You never know with my Dad.. I was so worried he would think it was a piece of crap.. But it has made him so happy to be a part of helping me put it together... Its almost done and I can't wait to fly it for him So all of you with aging parents... All I can say is is try and make them happy and just maybe.. You will find happiness yourself and some wonderful memories too :-))) Craig .. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra Fuse
I have a super fuse its from a spirit 100 and its been repaired so many times it must be super by now...how much will you offer? On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Jer Marty Limber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'm in the market for a Supra fuse. I wonder if Mike Lachowski is still selling them ??? I can be contacted at the e-mail address below. Thanks, jer Jerry Marty Limber Williamsburg, VA [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Dedicated to Gordy!
I guess I don't understand the problems most people have with winter. Sure sunny weather is great but if its sunny all the time when do you build? Here in the PNW it was another great day. It rained all day so I got lots of building done before I headed out to the slope. It was fantastic. One of the best days I've had on the slope in a while. The seenery was beautiful, the conditions were near perfect with moderate winds and temps in the upper 20's. Tomorrow night I'm going back to the slope for some more turns. I just can't get enough of skiing. and you? -- Original message -- From: Richard Burnoski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear some what spoiled,At least we get to fly on one of our 60 to 200 acre sites sporting manicured 1-1/4 sod when the foot of snow goes away. I enjoy the building season and making up with the wife for being gone all summer long golfing and flying. not too spoiled, Richard - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 7:35 PM Subject: [RCSE] Dedicated to Gordy! The sun beaming through the window awakened me early this morning. A quick check on the computer confirmed that it was going to be another glorious day. So it was off to Poway. I stopped at the 7-11 and picked up some ice. I thought that if I stuck my hands in the ice, I could get close to the feeling of flying in Louisville or Chicago! It didn't work as the 77 degree temperature warmed my hands before I could launch. About three hours of air time in about 4 hours at the field with the Supra, Rogue 2.0, Blaster and E Blaster. I only had a high start as the winch motor is being refurbished, but the Supra and Rogue did not seem to care. Thermals were plentiful with plenty of 10 minute flights and a few good landings. Another beautiful day in Southern California. And Gordy? Don Richmond -- The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. ---BeginMessage--- Dear some what spoiled,At least we get to fly on one of our60 to 200 acre sites sportingmanicured 1-1/4"sod when the foot of snow goes away. I enjoy the building season and making up with the wife for being gone all summer long golfing and flying. not too spoiled, Richard - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 7:35 PM Subject: [RCSE] Dedicated to Gordy! The sun beaming through the window awakened me early this morning. A quick check on the computer confirmed that it was going to be another glorious day.So it was off to Poway. I stopped at the 7-11 and picked up some ice. I thought that if I stuck my hands in the ice, I could get close to the feeling of flying in Louisville or Chicago! It didn't work as the 77 degree temperature warmed my hands before I could launch. About three hours of air time in about 4 hours at the field with the Supra, Rogue 2.0, Blaster and E Blaster. I only had a high start as the winch motor is being refurbished, but the Supra and Rogue did not seem to care. Thermals were plentiful with plenty of 10 minute flights and a few good landings. Another beautiful day in Southern California. And Gordy? Don Richmond The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. ---End Message---
[RCSE] Pike Perfect for sale, 9.9 out of 10
Well guys, I have gone head first into F3b, I have a new plane, and a new winch on order, so I am selling my Pike Perfect. The Perfect is less than a year old, with absolutely no damage. I will have to pull it out the glider bag to inspect it for scratches, but this thing is in great shape. Gear- Only the best here. All JR digitals, 368s on the ailerons and rudder, 3421s on the elevator and flaps. 4 cell 2500 miamp NIMH battery, and an Airtronics receiver. Extras- I had carbon socks added to the flaps and ailerons for extra stiffness, so this thing laughs at a strong winch, mono, of F3J tow. It comes with a custom carbon nose skeg. It is also painted in a custom color scheme, with a red fuselage, and red over white wings and tail. The pictures below are from the maiden flight. I will be flying it for the last time at the SWC in Phoenix. So pick up there, or anywhere in southern California. Hand Delivery is preferred. Shipping only considered if no one wants is around here (read not likely). I have it programmed for use with both my Airtronics Stylus as well as my JR 9303, so I can transfer either program to you. Truly a turn key plane. I am asking $1800 for it all, serious offers only. This thing is built to my normal level of reliability, so buy it and fly it for years with no concerns. djklein (at) ucsd (dot) edu Thanks, David Klein Pictures at rcgroups.com http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=815408 -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
[RCSE] F3b at the NATS
Who is going for F3b? I am on the fence, how about all of you? -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
Re: [RCSE] Club News Letters
Or rewritten by electronic records of Gody's old posts. Oh my, what would the historians think. On Feb 5, 2008 10:52 AM, Jack Strother [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gordy, You again have hit on a pet peeve of mine, the club news letter... It is a must, for maintaining a history, (foundation) of any club or Organization, (read between the lines), Lest they , the clubs, dwindle to the sands of time, and history is rewritten by hear say and the incompentence of feel good politics oh darn, I almost started.. -- Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _http://www.slnt.org/newsletters/2008_02.pdf_ (http://www.slnt.org/newsletters/2008_02.pdf) If you have been a reader of the Journal for RC Soaring Enthusiasts, you will understand how important the monthly club newsletter is to maintaining a healthy and active soaring club. News of contests, events, an event calendar and contacts for events, as well as photos, all ad to the reason we belong to a club. This month is simple but full of info Its my club away from home, and lets me keep up with who's hot and what's ahead should my schedule work out that way. Take a look...and learn ;-) Gordy **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. ( http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030002 5 48) -- Forwarded message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:21:44 + Subject: [RCSE] Another excellent club newsletter, SNLT http://www.slnt.org/newsletters/2008_02.pdf If you have been a reader of the Journal for RC Soaring Enthusiasts, you will understand how important the monthly club newsletter is to maintaining a healthy and active soaring club. News of contests, events, an event calendar and contacts for events, as well as photos, all ad to the reason we belong to a club. This month is simple but full of info Its my club away from home, and lets me keep up with who's hot and what's ahead should my schedule work out that way. Take a look...and learn ;-) Gordy -- Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music.http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030002548 -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
Re: [RCSE] Club News Letters
BTW, The Torrey Pines Gulls are in the process of scanning and digitzing our old club newsletters and posting them online at torreypinesgulls.org Thanks to our club historian Gary Fogel our club historian. On Feb 5, 2008 11:04 AM, David Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or rewritten by electronic records of Gody's old posts. Oh my, what would the historians think. On Feb 5, 2008 10:52 AM, Jack Strother [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gordy, You again have hit on a pet peeve of mine, the club news letter... It is a must, for maintaining a history, (foundation) of any club or Organization, (read between the lines), Lest they , the clubs, dwindle to the sands of time, and history is rewritten by hear say and the incompentence of feel good politics oh darn, I almost started.. -- Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _http://www.slnt.org/newsletters/2008_02.pdf_ (http://www.slnt.org/newsletters/2008_02.pdf) If you have been a reader of the Journal for RC Soaring Enthusiasts, you will understand how important the monthly club newsletter is to maintaining a healthy and active soaring club. News of contests, events, an event calendar and contacts for events, as well as photos, all ad to the reason we belong to a club. This month is simple but full of info Its my club away from home, and lets me keep up with who's hot and what's ahead should my schedule work out that way. Take a look...and learn ;-) Gordy **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. ( http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030002 5 48) -- Forwarded message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:21:44 + Subject: [RCSE] Another excellent club newsletter, SNLT http://www.slnt.org/newsletters/2008_02.pdf If you have been a reader of the Journal for RC Soaring Enthusiasts, you will understand how important the monthly club newsletter is to maintaining a healthy and active soaring club. News of contests, events, an event calendar and contacts for events, as well as photos, all ad to the reason we belong to a club. This month is simple but full of info Its my club away from home, and lets me keep up with who's hot and what's ahead should my schedule work out that way. Take a look...and learn ;-) Gordy -- Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music.http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030002548 -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
Re: [RCSE] Re: Airfoil flight comparison( HN-216)?
Gentlemen, I would like your feedback on something I created last season in a bit of a whim. I have been competing at various TD tasks in the Northwest over the last 3 years. Over this time I have witnessed far too many launches where the pilot after the fact admitted that he/she did not turn on the aircraft. Needless to say most of the aircraft were lost or seriously damaged. So in search of a solution I went to a local electronics shop and asked a young guy if he could give me a hand designing a safety component that might help avoid this scenario. Basically we designed a switch with a small tilt sensor and some latching circuitry. The result is this: If you remember to turn on the plane the switch works as expected. The plane powers on and off as it would normally. If you turn OFF the plane and tilt the aircraft in the desired launch angle ( this is set by the pilot) the plane turns ITSELF on and stays on until the circuit is reset by disconnecting / interrupting the battery. The draw is tiny and the circuit and switch itself 1xx .25 or double the size of a typical 20 amp RC switch. I have tested the product in the lab and i know a shop that could likely get the size down to half its current size or close to the size of a standard switch This would of course cost some money out of pocket but I am not sure if the target market is too limited to bother creating this solution for. For the most part, the elite pilots I watch either don't even use a switch or are very disciplined in their launch methodology. The target market is more appropriately general pilots who may be approaching the more senior years as well as new pilots. What do you think people? At your local club have you seen anyone toss an un-powered glider to its death? Would a product like this be of value as a replacement for the standard on off switch for your more senior members or new eager soaring enthusiasts? David Webb RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Airfoil flight comparison( HN-216)?
I'll take 2 -- Original message -- From: David Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentlemen, I would like your feedback on something I created last season in a bit of a whim. I have been competing at various TD tasks in the Northwest over the last 3 years. Over this time I have witnessed far too many launches where the pilot after the fact admitted that he/she did not turn on the aircraft. Needless to say most of the aircraft were lost or seriously damaged. So in search of a solution I went to a local electronics shop and asked a young guy if he could give me a hand designing a safety component that might help avoid this scenario. Basically we designed a switch with a small tilt sensor and some latching circuitry. The result is this: If you remember to turn on the plane the switch works as expected. The plane powers on and off as it would normally. If you turn OFF the plane and tilt the aircraft in the desired launch angle ( this is set by the pilot) the plane turns ITSELF on and stays on until the circuit is reset by disconnecting / interrupting the battery. The draw is tiny and the circuit and switch itself 1xx .25 or double the size of a typical 20 amp RC switch. I have tested the product in the lab and i know a shop that could likely get the size down to half its current size or close to the size of a standard switch This would of course cost some money out of pocket but I am not sure if the target market is too limited to bother creating this solution for. For the most part, the elite pilots I watch either don't even use a switch or are very disciplined in their launch methodology. The target market is more appropriately general pilots who may be approaching the more senior years as well as new pilots. What do you think people? At your local club have you seen anyone toss an un-powered glider to its death? Would a product like this be of value as a replacement for the standard on off switch for your more senior members or new eager soaring enthusiasts? David Webb RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Tree story - straight down with a twist.
In a message dated 1/29/08 8:43:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why has every tree strike I've had end up with my prized glider stalling straight down on a wing tip. Go figure. My first thought was to step into its path and catch it. My second thought was to step out of the way to avoid being injured. The model descended rapidly accelerating as it traveled. Of course the battery was dead so I had no control. At about 20 feet it pulled out of the dive, flew down the abandoned street, over the first house on the right, made a left turn and was headed directly back to me. I was mesmerized by the scene and could not move. The model settled to the ground in the cul de sac and slid to the curb by my feet! Don Richmond San Diego, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hilaunch.com You're killing me Don! LOL Z RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Top ten Predictions for SWC?
I can't make it to the Classic this year so I thought it would be fun to make some predictions. Decent weather. No powerline hits. A couple Spread Rectum brownouts. OK, on with the Top Ten for Open Class. Not particularly in this order. Daryl (Supraman and 4xF3B WC) Perkins Skippy (Pike Perfect Ace) Miller Mike (The Soaring Machine) Smith Arthur (He's due for a big win and a lot of fun) Markiewicz. Cody (Watch out for this kid) Remington Mike (don't be surprised if he wins with an RES) Reagan Jason(Doesn't have to be a judge)George George(I hope his health is with him) Joy Mike (What a competitor) Lee Dave (Easy on the Saturday night festivities) Kornberg. Alternates: Jim (Same as Kornberg) Sneed Didn't see these guys on the list but: Larry (too many impressive things to mention in one line) Jolly Tom (The guy with the best toys) Copp Mark (With a good timer :-}) Browning. Yes, I still love you after The Fall Fest. Big Hug. John (The Brain) Erickson Edgar(The Soaring Junkie) Vera Joe (The JR convert) Rodriguez David Zucker PBSS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Tree story
Why has every tree strike I've had end up with my prized glider coming stalling straight down on a wing tip. Go figure. Z RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Tree story
I parked my TD ship in 3 smallish trees on the edge of our field (yes only one each). Needless to say those 3 scrub trees are no longer there. - Original Message - From: Dennis Hoyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Tree story At the WMSS we have an annual award called the Arboreal Award. This prestigious award is granted to the the skilled pilot that manages to land in a tree the most times in a single year. The award is a beautiful but unfortunately dead bonsai tree with a brass sailplane stuck in it. We did take time to spray the branches green to give it that living feel. Here a photo of one of our members holding the coveted award. http://www.rcsoaring.org/images/pics/Dual-Soar-in_2005/pages/100_1803.htm Dennis Hoyle WMSS AMA# SNUT www.rcsoaring.org - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Tree story Tree / Trophy story that happened back around 1976 (best guess) and I was having a very unusual year with trees. Landing in a very tall tree at Lansing, MI. straining an Aquila through a tree at Chicago at speed. The flying surfaces stayed in the tree and the fuse came out alone. There were more as I couldn't go near a tree that summer without an altercation. The bottom line came in September in Detroit, at what was known as the SOAR / GDSHS Dual Meet. One day sponsored by GDSHS and the other day by SOAR and as SOAR was handing out their trophies, Dan Pruss called me up and presented me with a very unusual award. The trophy was a very ratty log of wood with an even rattier old, beat up hand axe sunk into the log, all spray painted gold. This was for capturing more trees in one season with a sailplane than anyone else. It was a very special award coming from Dan Pruss and the SOAR guys and I have lost it over the years but I still have a picture of the award presentation. OK, who has their best tree story. Regards, Dave Corven. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] 2008 Torrey Pines Classic
Ladies and Gentlemen, I am proud to announce that the official sign ups for the Torrey Pines Classic have just been opened. Sign up is quick and easy, online at http://torreypinesgulls.org/TPGclassic.htm. This is a 2 day F3F race taking place on Saturday and Sunday March 29th and 30th. This will be a great event at the world famous Torrey Pines Glider Port in La Jolla California. The entry fee is $50 and includes day use fees to the glider port and lunch on both days. For additional information, please see the contests website. Thank You, David Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] djklein%40ucsd.edu -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
[RCSE] How to set up RealFlight G3.5 for thermal duration practice
I've put together a web page that shows how to set up RealFlight G3.5 for thermal duration soaring practice. Go to http://www.granitegliderguiders.org and click on the RealFlight G3.5 Thermal Soaring link for a step by step guide. I'll be happy to provide off line assistance to anyone that needs help. David RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Bad Guy Alert
Exactly! As you can read from this link if you had only blinded the fellow before sending the money this would have been all avoided. Sorry I fail to see the parallel between some asshat running an Internet scam and a huge mythical beast with one blind eye stroking sheep On Jan 16, 2008 5:09 AM, Lincoln Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry this happened to you, but that name sounds like the oldest MO in the book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphemus JAMES EALY wrote: Hello Guys: I just got scammed for $116 by Kevin Noone, Albany - that is the name given to me! I suspect that I was the third person he scammed from conversations with him. Won an old time vintage converted free flight to RC plane with large wing and ignition engine. Sounds familar to anyone? Too late for Paypal claim - however, what the turkey doesn't know is that I used AMEX and they will not take the scam litely. Any one interested in more detail - actual emails from Ebay? Contact me off list. Jim RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What Am I building building this winter
I just finished an R2 led sled for a friend and have a new R3 half built for me. Also slated is a 3M fox that needs a rebuild as well as a new La Fish for another friend. Then there is the new ridge runner for the combat season as well as my new BD5 shot kit. So many planes so little time. -- Original message -- From: Stan Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grand Esprit, best looking nostalgia plane out there. Stan ---BeginMessage--- Grand Esprit, best looking nostalgia plane out there.Stan ---End Message---
[RCSE] Re: Contest Format
Guys, I've flown a variant of Tim's proposal at SLNT on quite a few occasions in their Class-A Scramble event. It's a great task, gets the load off the CD and keeps pilots involved all the way through the event. Extending it to TD classes is a really interesting approach and addresses a lot of issues that can come up at club contests. I suspect the format works best for club events in the 8 to 20 range or thereabouts. Why don't some of the clubs give it a try for their monthly events and report back to RCSE or RCGroups? The rules may merit some tweaking but the best way to figure that is to give it a shot. The Class A format draws more entries each month at Dallas than just about anything else - and that's a pretty competitive group of guys. One of the things it DEFINITELY accomplishes is draw more club members into club activities. If you're in it for the group and not just for yourself, that's not a bad outcome. Way to go Tim! - Dave R RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Contest Format
Tim, well done. I really like the idea and the execution. I might try this or a variant at one of our local contests. Anyone that knows me knows that I am a competitor. I like the challenge. I love MoM flight scoring, and can't get enough of FAI style flying. What I really like about this event, is its simplicity in scoring. I am surprised at everyone who thinks this format is not competitive. Just come and fly with us at TPG, and try to keep Mike Smith, Steve Condon, or Aurthor Mkevich (god a killed the sp, but I can pronounce it)from beating you. If you think about how this thing is scored, you will need all 10s to win. So getting buried or not doesn't really matter. Also, landing points still matter. The top guys always get their times, so to win you gotta hit the tape. Same thing here. This kind of format should make for a really fun contest. It promotes the old, I bet you a dollar I win stuff. So Joe R, bring your dollars dude, he who has the least at the end of the contest will get a photo opportunity on the short bus. :) (my wife is special ed teacher, she is secretly getting mad right now). How is that for competative spirit. It should also get more people warmed up to the idea of MoM flying. Take out the luck and bring the skill. So Tim, thanks for trying it out and taking the time to tell us all about it. David Klein, TPGulls BTW, I have flown enough to know that every club in the US has a top competitor or two, so there is no such thing as an easy contest. The only difference here is that the middle of the pack guys will score 900-950 points, instead of 800-900.
[RCSE] AMA Renewal
Just a reminder for the first weekend of the year, renew your AMA. Happy New Years fellow Pilots, David Klein -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
Re: [RCSE] re:contest launch equipment vs large models
Maybe I need to eat a larger breakfast but I just thought about this idea... OK, what about a combination of power limit and timing. I was thinking about exactly how I broke line this last season (a total of three times) and its always the same. I used too much pedal for my model setup within the first 2-3 seconds. After I altered my setup by simply tapping up the plane until it it was at reasonable alt I could go for an aggressive zoom. My launches were just as good as a full pedal approach. What about a modulated power for the first 3 seconds of the launch? If we can limit the overall power why can't we limit it at the most likely point in the launch to cause a line break IMO the first 3 seconds)? Once the plane has attained decent altitude and more line is out, dispersing the load the power can let loose and go to 100%. too much thought maybe ... would that work? You could still use lighter line, everyone is happy and its a level solution for everyone. On Dec 21, 2007 4:23 AM, Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess John, why sould there be a deduct if I still make my time with a lower launch cause the WL gave? WL's seem like a great idea, but have proved over time to not really work, I would rather see us go to 200 pound line. marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Icon 2
You guys really aren't looking at the international trends that are driving the size wars. These planes are designed as the ultimate F3J plane. In F3J, the launch power is as much as you can use, figuring you higher some offensive lineman to tow. If F3J were to switch to using F3b winches, the launch power is regulated. F3b has evolved to smaller planes, that launch higher in a no wind, or downwind launch situation. If F3J planes were to go to a regulated launching system, the planes would get smaller, in order to launch higher faster in weak launch conditions. So the planes will continue to grow as long as there are large towers with a lot of power to launch them. Bigger planes are more efficient, so If you can launch them, you are at an advantage. Planes will grow unless we regulate launching power. BTW We don't have a winch power problem we have a winch line problem. We use crappy/heavy braided line rather than high performance Mono filament spectra. The mono is temperamental, so I don't recommend switching out club winch lines, but just understand the problem. If F3J switches to F3b style regulated winches, the planes will come back down in size, or at least stop growing. On Dec 20, 2007 9:32 AM, tony estep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message From: Darwin N. Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...My concern is the launching equipment. With the current crop of moldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are becoming more prevelant == I wonder about this too. The Pike Perfect is the current WC plane and the current Nats champ, at a bit over 140, and has apparently set a new benchmark that eclipses the 132 planes, which in turn pushed out the 3-meter (118) planes. It's all too easy to break the line with a PP, and line breaks will presumably be even more likely with 150 planes that have larger wing areas and can generate more pull. The 2-man tow setup puts a practical limit on F3J, but apparently that limit is not fully compatible with the standard U.S. winch setup; that is, it seems that the F3J scheme can launch bigger planes than our typical winches like to handle. One imagines a nightmare scenario where the planes keep getting bigger, and eventually as clubs need to replace their launch gear, they'll turn to super-power Injoy or similar winches, and the cycle will repeat, and finally we'll be flying models 40% of full-scale like the gas-power boys. -- David Klein Graduate Research Student Department of Structural Engineering Jacobs School of Engineering University of California San Diego
Re: [RCSE] RE: Icon 2: Lines in a Twist
Now we are using seriously offending terms...*#^!baggers I would stay clear from this type of incendiary remark if I were you:) I prefer the PC term optimal condition competitor But I agree we can't keep increasing the line size. On Dec 20, 2007 10:12 AM, Darwin N. Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, It is much more than throwing on heavier line. We experimented with heavier line. It does not give in the launch and many will have difficulties adapting at first. Secondly, and the most critical, the reels are maxed out. We cannot go to much bigger line because the reels will have to be changed out for larger ones. Or, use a turnaround 300' out!! That would be popular. I can tell you it is very frustrating to run a big contest and have everything from a Sleazy Glider to a 140+ plane to launch. Throw in the fact that there are some people out there that winning is so important that they will go for it all even if it breaks a line. These are usually the notorious sandbaggers too!!! Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ On Dec 20, 2007, at 10:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is all Bogus, What is everyone getting their lines in a Twist? No where does it say that a CD must provide launching mechanisms for specific plane designs. What is the problem??? A CD provides a launch method that can launch all planes. Just because the same launching system cannot get 2Meter planes launched high is not his problem. The Airbus is only the Airbus because GE, or whomever, makes a engine that can power the plane. So what if the little planes cannot travel across the great herring pond as efficiently as the big ones. Heck, if the line breaks, just get bigger lines or stronger lines. In Fishing they use wire lines to met the stronger requirements. What's the problem here, can't the old Icon 1 or the Sharon , or perhaps the High End have better winches for them to use? You can also use clothesline rope if you want. There is nothing in any rule book that says lighter lines need be provided. So, buck it up and get a better launching plane. Get rid of that old NOS or woodie class and come into the REAL world. I am sick of everyone thinking that we have to cater to the lighter planes. If the Icon 1 can't launch on the new winches, then get off your tails and get a plane that can launch. This is so bogus to hear everyone complain. Look at all the aerodynamic and composite advancements, and use them. Duu. Chris Original Message Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 9:08 am To: soaring@airage.com In a message dated 12/20/2007 8:48:45 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with the Euro models. My concern is the launching equipment. With the current crop of moldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are becoming more prevelant. Heavy enough line for these new super ships, will be a burden for the lighter planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests and a few big ones. We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the heavier planes but the lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time overcoming the line drag and weight. Where do we draw the line? Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ It could be that the wing area is not more than the Sharon, just a higher aspect ratio, and that it won't generate more lift, but will just have less drag and be more efficient. Bill Wingstedt **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages
