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Re: editing questions

2020-03-24 Thread NFN Smith


Richard Alan wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:


- Composer.  This is an html editor, pretty out of date and only
show-stopper bugs are being fixed.  It does *not* support css.


I could be wrong, but I don't think Composer has been updated for anything
in probably a decade.


I think that's the case.  I know that several years ago, I remember 
noting in a post that if Composer isn't supported within Seamonkey, I'd 
prefer that it get dropped completely, so as not to perpetuate the 
fiction that it's supported. I guess the devs have a reason for keeping 
it in, perhaps because it's easier than removing it.


I believe that I've seen notes indicating that the devs have aspirations 
of replacing the composer with Kompozer.  That's also a Mozilla-derived 
tool, and I think it's also no longer in development, but it is newer 
than the composer element in Seamonkey.


BlueGriffon (http://bluegriffon.org/) is the primary Mozilla composition 
tool now, and that's in active development -- the most recent release 
was in October.


I maintain a handful of docs in HTML, because I find it useful to make 
content available to readers through a browser.  I used to use the 
composer, and one of the nice things about having it in Seamonkey is 
that I can be viewing a an HTML doc in Seamonkey, and press CTRL-E to 
have the editor immediately available.  However, I've found that I like 
Kompozer better, and where there's more capacity.  I have also played 
some with BlueGriffon, although there's just enough UI quirks there that 
I'm more comfortable with Kompozer.


However, I think any of these are for more basic editing, and if you 
have a site that's extensive enough to use CSS, then you want some other 
tool.


Smith

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Re: editing questions

2020-03-24 Thread Richard Alan

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

> - Composer.  This is an html editor, pretty out of date and only
> show-stopper bugs are being fixed.  It does *not* support css.

I could be wrong, but I don't think Composer has been updated for anything 
in probably a decade.

After looking at Jan's site, I'd say he is stuck with editing it with 
Freeway Pro.

Or ... a plain text editor.   :-/
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Re: editing questions

2020-03-24 Thread WaltS48


On 3/24/20 3:33 PM, janflech...@sunstormstudios.com wrote:



    I made a website using Freeway Pro 7.1.4, it is just the way I want
it to look, but now I need to make some changes. Freeway Pro is for 
creating
websites, but doesn't edit them very well, if at all, so I need another, 
simple
editor to work on it. When I download the site back to my computer and 
open a page,
using "Get HTML", it shows the content, but not the arrangements, 
positioning where
things should be. This means that it would be easier to start over from 
scratch instead

of trying to get it to work.
   So, the question is, if I use Seamonkey to look at the page,will it 
do the same thing,
or will it look like it does when viewed in a Browser? I understand that 
Seamonkey is a
wysiwyg editor, but if it only shows the HTML as it did in Freeway Pro, 
then it won't
be any better than starting from scratch. The original file is on a 
computer that died
before I could copy it to this imac I'm using now. When I look at the 
mac pro that croaked,
the hard drive in question doesn't always show up, and when it does, I 
can read the list
of files, but when I click on one, I can't move it or make a copy, 
despite the alert window

that says the hard drive needs repair, but that you can still copy files.
   The website is a gallery of prints and paintings, and at present I am 
nearing the end of
populating a shopping cart using paGo ecommerce in the CMS app Joomla. 
My intention is to
  go back to the gallery and place links to the various product pages in 
the shopping cart
in the "store" area. The store is made using a Morph template that is a 
full website with
plenty of features I don't need. The Quix editor used in Joomla cannot 
edit the Freeway pro
pages, so this is getting more and more complex for a mere mortal artist 
like myself who made
the first site in Go live nearly twenty years ago in a week, now, with a 
hundred pieces of
art to sell, and being responsive, I HAVE EATEN UP SEVERAL YEARS trying 
to comply to the
requirements need to finish before I lose my wits, all by myself, with 
no guidance or money
to spare while the internet evolves faster than I can complete this 
project.

   Any and all help will be greatly appreciated!
   Thanks,  Jan Flechsig

     www.sunstormstudios.com


You could try using the Firefox Web Developer Tools from Tools > Web 
Development > Toggle Tools, or just experiment with them.


I loaded the site in SeaMonkey 2.53.1 and used Toggle Tools which opened 
with the Style Editor already selected. It appeared to work on the CSS.


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Re: editing questions

2020-03-24 Thread Don Spam's Reckless Son


janflech...@sunstormstudios.com wrote:



    I made a website using Freeway Pro 7.1.4, it is just the way I want
it to look, but now I need to make some changes. Freeway Pro is for 
creating
websites, but doesn't edit them very well, if at all, so I need another, 
simple
editor to work on it. When I download the site back to my computer and 
open a page,
using "Get HTML", it shows the content, but not the arrangements, 
positioning where
things should be. This means that it would be easier to start over from 
scratch instead

of trying to get it to work.
   So, the question is, if I use Seamonkey to look at the page,will it 
do the same thing,
or will it look like it does when viewed in a Browser? I understand that 
Seamonkey is a
wysiwyg editor, but if it only shows the HTML as it did in Freeway Pro, 
then it won't
be any better than starting from scratch. The original file is on a 
computer that died
before I could copy it to this imac I'm using now. When I look at the 
mac pro that croaked,
the hard drive in question doesn't always show up, and when it does, I 
can read the list
of files, but when I click on one, I can't move it or make a copy, 
despite the alert window

that says the hard drive needs repair, but that you can still copy files.
   The website is a gallery of prints and paintings, and at present I am 
nearing the end of
populating a shopping cart using paGo ecommerce in the CMS app Joomla. 
My intention is to
  go back to the gallery and place links to the various product pages in 
the shopping cart
in the "store" area. The store is made using a Morph template that is a 
full website with
plenty of features I don't need. The Quix editor used in Joomla cannot 
edit the Freeway pro
pages, so this is getting more and more complex for a mere mortal artist 
like myself who made
the first site in Go live nearly twenty years ago in a week, now, with a 
hundred pieces of
art to sell, and being responsive, I HAVE EATEN UP SEVERAL YEARS trying 
to comply to the
requirements need to finish before I lose my wits, all by myself, with 
no guidance or money
to spare while the internet evolves faster than I can complete this 
project.

   Any and all help will be greatly appreciated!
   Thanks,  Jan Flechsig

     www.sunstormstudios.com


Seamonkey has a few components, but only two of them are relevant here.
- The Browser.  It is basically Firefox ESR of a few months back.  It's 
a bit more complicated than that but that is more detail than you need.
- Composer.  This is an html editor, pretty out of date and only 
show-stopper bugs are being fixed.  It does *not* support css.


I had a look at your site and it makes heavy use of css, sorry but I 
don't think Seamonkey is what you are looking for.  You can of course 
download it and test it but the killer limitation is that Composer does 
not know css.


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editing questions

2020-03-24 Thread janflechsig





   I made a website using Freeway Pro 7.1.4, it is just the way I want
it to look, but now I need to make some changes. Freeway Pro is for 
creating
websites, but doesn't edit them very well, if at all, so I need another, 
simple
editor to work on it. When I download the site back to my computer and 
open a page,
using "Get HTML", it shows the content, but not the arrangements, 
positioning where
things should be. This means that it would be easier to start over from 
scratch instead

of trying to get it to work.
  So, the question is, if I use Seamonkey to look at the page,will it do 
the same thing,
or will it look like it does when viewed in a Browser? I understand that 
Seamonkey is a
wysiwyg editor, but if it only shows the HTML as it did in Freeway Pro, 
then it won't
be any better than starting from scratch. The original file is on a 
computer that died
before I could copy it to this imac I'm using now. When I look at the 
mac pro that croaked,
the hard drive in question doesn't always show up, and when it does, I 
can read the list
of files, but when I click on one, I can't move it or make a copy, 
despite the alert window
that says the hard drive needs repair, but that you can still copy 
files.
  The website is a gallery of prints and paintings, and at present I am 
nearing the end of
populating a shopping cart using paGo ecommerce in the CMS app Joomla. 
My intention is to
 go back to the gallery and place links to the various product pages in 
the shopping cart
in the "store" area. The store is made using a Morph template that is a 
full website with
plenty of features I don't need. The Quix editor used in Joomla cannot 
edit the Freeway pro
pages, so this is getting more and more complex for a mere mortal artist 
like myself who made
the first site in Go live nearly twenty years ago in a week, now, with a 
hundred pieces of
art to sell, and being responsive, I HAVE EATEN UP SEVERAL YEARS trying 
to comply to the
requirements need to finish before I lose my wits, all by myself, with 
no guidance or money
to spare while the internet evolves faster than I can complete this 
project.

  Any and all help will be greatly appreciated!
  Thanks,  Jan Flechsig

www.sunstormstudios.com
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Re: 32bit & 64bit SM questions.

2018-10-23 Thread Daniel


Steve Dunn wrote on 23/10/2018 2:33 AM:

On 2018-10-22 04:49, Daniel wrote:
FRG, I've seen "l10n builds", and the problems with it, mentioned for 
years. *What is it* ?? A Real World language?? A Programming 
language?? What??


 An abbreviation of localization.  The 10 stands for the ten letters 
left out between the l and the n.


-Steve


Ah!! It all makes sense, now!! Thanks Steve!!
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Re: 32bit & 64bit SM questions.

2018-10-23 Thread Daniel


Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 22/10/2018 10:18 PM:

 >
 > FRG, I've seen "l10n builds", and the problems with it, mentioned for 
years.

 > *What is it* ?? A Real World language?? A Programming language?? What??
 >

Basically all non en-US foreign language builds. Or your native language 
build. Stricktly speaking en-US is an l10n build too but the master here 
and building differently so we are not calling it l10n.


https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/L10n

 > But I'm guessing this would make the devs job a hell of a lot more 
difficult.


Not possible without modularized parts. And Firefox goes in a different 
direction with what they call Gecko today. This more or and more becomes 
a bloated mess mixing frontend browser parts with backend Gecko parts. 
Otherwise it would be easier to stay current.


FRG


Thanks for that, FRG.

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Re: 32bit & 64bit SM questions.

2018-10-22 Thread Steve Dunn


On 2018-10-22 04:49, Daniel wrote:
FRG, I've seen "l10n builds", and the problems with it, mentioned for 
years. *What is it* ?? A Real World language?? A Programming language?? 
What??


	An abbreviation of localization.  The 10 stands for the ten letters 
left out between the l and the n.


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Re: 32bit & 64bit SM questions.

2018-10-22 Thread Frank-Rainer Grahl

>
> FRG, I've seen "l10n builds", and the problems with it, mentioned for years.
> *What is it* ?? A Real World language?? A Programming language?? What??
>

Basically all non en-US foreign language builds. Or your native language 
build. Stricktly speaking en-US is an l10n build too but the master here and 
building differently so we are not calling it l10n.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/L10n

> But I'm guessing this would make the devs job a hell of a lot more difficult.

Not possible without modularized parts. And Firefox goes in a different 
direction with what they call Gecko today. This more or and more becomes a 
bloated mess mixing frontend browser parts with backend Gecko parts. Otherwise 
it would be easier to stay current.

FRG

Daniel wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 21/10/2018 8:56 PM:
They contain working versions of chatZilla, DOMi and Lightning. These should 
be in the official builds too but we have problems with l10n builds.

FRG, I've seen "l10n builds", and the problems with it, mentioned for years. 
*What is it* ?? A Real World language?? A Programming language?? What??

Still tracked in:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1231349

If you only do an en-US build this works fine. If you don't want calendar 
you can disable or remove it in the add-on manager.

I've often thought that, rather than having to download the "whole Box and 
Dice" package and then disable the undesired bits and pieces, perhaps, when I 
want to upgrade, I should be asked which bits I want to download (say Browser, 
M&N and addressbook ONLY whilst others might want M&N, Calendar and Chatzilla 
ONLY), effectively making a package just for me and another, different, 
package just for you, etc. In each case, the Core (Gecko??) would be 
downloaded once, and the other bits added as needs be.

But I'm guessing this would make the devs job a hell of a lot more difficult.

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Re: 32bit & 64bit SM questions.

2018-10-22 Thread Daniel


Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 21/10/2018 8:56 PM:
They contain working versions of chatZilla, DOMi and Lightning. These 
should be in the official builds too but we have problems with l10n builds.


FRG, I've seen "l10n builds", and the problems with it, mentioned for 
years. *What is it* ?? A Real World language?? A Programming language?? 
What??



Still tracked in:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1231349

If you only do an en-US build this works fine. If you don't want 
calendar you can disable or remove it in the add-on manager.


I've often thought that, rather than having to download the "whole Box 
and Dice" package and then disable the undesired bits and pieces, 
perhaps, when I want to upgrade, I should be asked which bits I want to 
download (say Browser, M&N and addressbook ONLY whilst others might want 
M&N, Calendar and Chatzilla ONLY), effectively making a package just for 
me and another, different, package just for you, etc. In each case, the 
Core (Gecko??) would be downloaded once, and the other bits added as 
needs be.


But I'm guessing this would make the devs job a hell of a lot more 
difficult.


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Re: 32bit & 64bit SM questions.

2018-10-21 Thread Frank-Rainer Grahl

They contain working versions of chatZilla, DOMi and Lightning. These should 
be in the official builds too but we have problems with l10n builds.


Still tracked in:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1231349

If you only do an en-US build this works fine. If you don't want calendar you 
can disable or remove it in the add-on manager.


The x64 version does imho better with bloated sites and you are unlikely to 
run out of memory early. Same with big mail databases. Otherwise probably not 
much improvement. This would need extensive backports. I am only doing these 
for 2.53. 2.49 is security only and small improvements if possible.


FRG

Ant wrote:

On 10/20/2018 11:15 PM, Daniel wrote:

Ant wrote on 21/10/2018 8:26 AM:

On 10/20/2018 2:56 AM, chokito wrote:

Am Samstag, 20. Oktober 2018 01:26:50 UTC+2 schrieb Ant:

Questions:
1. What is fixed in v2.49.5 from v2.49.4?
2. Is there a
http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/seamonkey-2.49.4.en-US.win64.zip somewhere?


Always only the latest version is available:
https://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/seamonkey-2.49.5.en-US.win64.zip


Hmm OK. I finally downloaded, extracted, and ran the portable version after 
backing up my profile. I noticed my Mail showed events. Is this a new 
feature for the future versions? I turned it off from its prompt since I 
don't use it. Memory usage seems better when I opened about 18 tabs of 
YouTube videos (not autoplaying). Rendering like on http://news.google.com 
is still slow. It's too early that this is better for me. To be continued...


When you mentioned "events", are you meaning the Calendar/Lightning, Ant?? I 
think there was talk of it being incorporated into the package  or am I 
thinking of Chatzilla??


Yes, Calendar/Lightning thing. I was like what is this doing in here?


And I think wg9s' releases are, sort of, bleeding edge, so it was a good 
idea to back up your profile!!


I did. ;)

However, I went back to my official 32-bit SM after using it since there 
weren't really improvements. I was hoping faster speeds with better memory 
managements with the crazy leaks from badly designed web sites. Oh well! :(

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Re: 32bit & 64bit SM questions.

2018-10-20 Thread Ant via support-seamonkey


On 10/20/2018 11:15 PM, Daniel wrote:

Ant wrote on 21/10/2018 8:26 AM:

On 10/20/2018 2:56 AM, chokito wrote:

Am Samstag, 20. Oktober 2018 01:26:50 UTC+2 schrieb Ant:

Questions:
1. What is fixed in v2.49.5 from v2.49.4?
2. Is there a
http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/seamonkey-2.49.4.en-US.win64.zip 
somewhere?



Always only the latest version is available:
https://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/seamonkey-2.49.5.en-US.win64.zip


Hmm OK. I finally downloaded, extracted, and ran the portable version 
after backing up my profile. I noticed my Mail showed events. Is this 
a new feature for the future versions? I turned it off from its prompt 
since I don't use it. Memory usage seems better when I opened about 18 
tabs of YouTube videos (not autoplaying). Rendering like on 
http://news.google.com is still slow. It's too early that this is 
better for me. To be continued...


When you mentioned "events", are you meaning the Calendar/Lightning, 
Ant?? I think there was talk of it being incorporated into the package 
 or am I thinking of Chatzilla??


Yes, Calendar/Lightning thing. I was like what is this doing in here?


And I think wg9s' releases are, sort of, bleeding edge, so it was a good 
idea to back up your profile!!


I did. ;)

However, I went back to my official 32-bit SM after using it since there 
weren't really improvements. I was hoping faster speeds with better 
memory managements with the crazy leaks from badly designed web sites. 
Oh well! :(

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Re: 32bit & 64bit SM questions.

2018-10-20 Thread Daniel


Ant wrote on 21/10/2018 8:26 AM:

On 10/20/2018 2:56 AM, chokito wrote:

Am Samstag, 20. Oktober 2018 01:26:50 UTC+2 schrieb Ant:

Questions:
1. What is fixed in v2.49.5 from v2.49.4?
2. Is there a
http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/seamonkey-2.49.4.en-US.win64.zip somewhere?


Always only the latest version is available:
https://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/seamonkey-2.49.5.en-US.win64.zip


Hmm OK. I finally downloaded, extracted, and ran the portable version 
after backing up my profile. I noticed my Mail showed events. Is this a 
new feature for the future versions? I turned it off from its prompt 
since I don't use it. Memory usage seems better when I opened about 18 
tabs of YouTube videos (not autoplaying). Rendering like on 
http://news.google.com is still slow. It's too early that this is better 
for me. To be continued...


When you mentioned "events", are you meaning the Calendar/Lightning, 
Ant?? I think there was talk of it being incorporated into the package 
 or am I thinking of Chatzilla??


And I think wg9s' releases are, sort of, bleeding edge, so it was a good 
idea to back up your profile!!


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Re: 32bit & 64bit SM questions.

2018-10-20 Thread Ant via support-seamonkey


On 10/20/2018 2:56 AM, chokito wrote:

Am Samstag, 20. Oktober 2018 01:26:50 UTC+2 schrieb Ant:

Questions:
1. What is fixed in v2.49.5 from v2.49.4?
2. Is there a
http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/seamonkey-2.49.4.en-US.win64.zip somewhere?


Always only the latest version is available:
https://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/seamonkey-2.49.5.en-US.win64.zip


Hmm OK. I finally downloaded, extracted, and ran the portable version 
after backing up my profile. I noticed my Mail showed events. Is this a 
new feature for the future versions? I turned it off from its prompt 
since I don't use it. Memory usage seems better when I opened about 18 
tabs of YouTube videos (not autoplaying). Rendering like on 
http://news.google.com is still slow. It's too early that this is better 
for me. To be continued...

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Re: 32bit & 64bit SM questions.

2018-10-20 Thread Frank-Rainer Grahl


> 1. What is fixed in v2.49.5 from v2.49.4?

1.) Basically platform support. Now uses VS2017 instead of VS2015 under 
Windows. A bunch of patches backported for this. ewong things we should use 
this with the new infra too so this will stay.


2.) Security backports. See the mozilla-esr60_xx.patch files:

http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/patches/git/mozilla-esr52/mozilla-esr60_449884.patch

More to come here before an official release.

A few wip fixes which still need some work but are stable:

http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/patches/git/comm-esr52/

And also some fixes in review or not yet checked in.

FRG

Ant wrote:

Questions:
1. What is fixed in v2.49.5 from v2.49.4?
2. Is there a http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/seamonkey-2.49.4.en-US.win64.zip 
somewhere?



On 10/12/2018 8:09 PM, Ant wrote:
Thanks! I do use the updated Flash plugins from Adobe. Flash is rarely used 
though. Oops, I meant to say UNofficial 64-bit. :(



On 10/12/2018 1:26 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
You can have both x86 and x64 installed. There is no 64 Bit official 2.49 
available. Everything Windows x64 is unoffical. 2.49.5 has fixes over 
2.49.4 but the profiles are interchangable. Extensions should work in both 
versions. The x64 version only supports Flash if you still use plugins. It 
will update DOMi to 2.0.17.2. I never found the time to put the updated 
version on AMO.


If unsure do a profile backup and just try it. I also use NoScript 5.1.9 
together with uBlock 1.16.4.4. You memory problems might well be tracker 
and third party scripts running amok.


FRG

Ant wrote:
I can't have both 32-bit official (EXE installer) and and 64-bit official 
(portable zip file) installed at the same time? I know I can't run both of 
them at the same time. Also, will my old extensions still work in the 
64-bit portable version? Here is what I have right now:


Last updated: Fri Oct 12 2018 11:19:44 GMT-0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4


Extensions (enabled: 5)
* ColorfulTabs 31.1.9 (http://www.addongenie.com/colorfultabs)
* DOM Inspector 2.0.16.1-signed 
(http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/) (disabled)

* Open With 6.8.6 (https://github.com/darktrojan/openwith)
* PrefBar 7.1.1 (http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/)
* uBlock Origin 1.16.4.4 (https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock)
* uBlock Origin Updater 1.6.4 (https://github.com/JustOff/ublock0-updater/)


On 10/12/2018 1:43 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
I have seen SeaMonkey hit a GB or 2 but not much more. I hope we are able 
to provide an x64 Windows build soon after the new infra is ready. You 
can try this one if you would like to take a test drive: 
http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/
Please uninstall your x86 build first. The profiles are compatible. Mapi 
is not Working in x64 TB and SM Windows builds so send from explorer will 
fail. This is an unofficial build with no warranty but most of the the 
additional backports over 2.49.4 where done by me.


FRG

Ant wrote:

A couple questions:

1. Is the official Mac SeaMonkey 64-bit or 32-bit for Mac OS X Sierra 
v10.12.6 on a 2012 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) with 8 GB of RAM and 500 GB SSD?


2. In my updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1, my 32-bit SM is slow with some web 
sites especially with muliple tabs like on YouTube, Google News, 
LinkedIn, etc. For an example, it can go up to almost 3 GB of RAM with 
about 10 HTML5 YouTube video tabs (not playing all at the same time, 
just buffering them with one video playing). I don't have this problem 
in MBP. I wonder if it is capped at 3 GB of RAM since it is a 32-bit 
process even though I am using a 64-bit OS.


I hope someone can answer my technical questions. Thank you for reading. :)

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Re: 32bit & 64bit SM questions.

2018-10-20 Thread chokito

Am Samstag, 20. Oktober 2018 01:26:50 UTC+2 schrieb Ant:
> Questions:
> 1. What is fixed in v2.49.5 from v2.49.4?
> 2. Is there a 
> http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/seamonkey-2.49.4.en-US.win64.zip somewhere?
> 
Always only the latest version is available:
https://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/seamonkey-2.49.5.en-US.win64.zip
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Re: 32bit & 64bit SM questions.

2018-10-19 Thread Ant via support-seamonkey


Questions:
1. What is fixed in v2.49.5 from v2.49.4?
2. Is there a 
http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/seamonkey-2.49.4.en-US.win64.zip somewhere?



On 10/12/2018 8:09 PM, Ant wrote:
Thanks! I do use the updated Flash plugins from Adobe. Flash is rarely 
used though. Oops, I meant to say UNofficial 64-bit. :(



On 10/12/2018 1:26 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
You can have both x86 and x64 installed. There is no 64 Bit official 
2.49 available. Everything Windows x64 is unoffical. 2.49.5 has fixes 
over 2.49.4 but the profiles are interchangable. Extensions should 
work in both versions. The x64 version only supports Flash if you 
still use plugins. It will update DOMi to 2.0.17.2. I never found the 
time to put the updated version on AMO.


If unsure do a profile backup and just try it. I also use NoScript 
5.1.9 together with uBlock 1.16.4.4. You memory problems might well be 
tracker and third party scripts running amok.


FRG

Ant wrote:
I can't have both 32-bit official (EXE installer) and and 64-bit 
official (portable zip file) installed at the same time? I know I 
can't run both of them at the same time. Also, will my old extensions 
still work in the 64-bit portable version? Here is what I have right 
now:


Last updated: Fri Oct 12 2018 11:19:44 GMT-0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4


Extensions (enabled: 5)
* ColorfulTabs 31.1.9 (http://www.addongenie.com/colorfultabs)
* DOM Inspector 2.0.16.1-signed 
(http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/) (disabled)

* Open With 6.8.6 (https://github.com/darktrojan/openwith)
* PrefBar 7.1.1 (http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/)
* uBlock Origin 1.16.4.4 (https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock)
* uBlock Origin Updater 1.6.4 
(https://github.com/JustOff/ublock0-updater/)



On 10/12/2018 1:43 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
I have seen SeaMonkey hit a GB or 2 but not much more. I hope we are 
able to provide an x64 Windows build soon after the new infra is 
ready. You can try this one if you would like to take a test drive: 
http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/
Please uninstall your x86 build first. The profiles are compatible. 
Mapi is not Working in x64 TB and SM Windows builds so send from 
explorer will fail. This is an unofficial build with no warranty but 
most of the the additional backports over 2.49.4 where done by me.


FRG

Ant wrote:

A couple questions:

1. Is the official Mac SeaMonkey 64-bit or 32-bit for Mac OS X 
Sierra v10.12.6 on a 2012 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) with 8 GB of RAM 
and 500 GB SSD?


2. In my updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1, my 32-bit SM is slow with some 
web sites especially with muliple tabs like on YouTube, Google 
News, LinkedIn, etc. For an example, it can go up to almost 3 GB of 
RAM with about 10 HTML5 YouTube video tabs (not playing all at the 
same time, just buffering them with one video playing). I don't 
have this problem in MBP. I wonder if it is capped at 3 GB of RAM 
since it is a 32-bit process even though I am using a 64-bit OS.


I hope someone can answer my technical questions. Thank you for 
reading. :)

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Re: 32bit & 64bit SM questions.

2018-10-12 Thread Ant via support-seamonkey

Thanks! I do use the updated Flash plugins from Adobe. Flash is rarely 
used though. Oops, I meant to say UNofficial 64-bit. :(



On 10/12/2018 1:26 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
You can have both x86 and x64 installed. There is no 64 Bit official 
2.49 available. Everything Windows x64 is unoffical. 2.49.5 has fixes 
over 2.49.4 but the profiles are interchangable. Extensions should work 
in both versions. The x64 version only supports Flash if you still use 
plugins. It will update DOMi to 2.0.17.2. I never found the time to put 
the updated version on AMO.


If unsure do a profile backup and just try it. I also use NoScript 5.1.9 
together with uBlock 1.16.4.4. You memory problems might well be tracker 
and third party scripts running amok.


FRG

Ant wrote:
I can't have both 32-bit official (EXE installer) and and 64-bit 
official (portable zip file) installed at the same time? I know I 
can't run both of them at the same time. Also, will my old extensions 
still work in the 64-bit portable version? Here is what I have right now:


Last updated: Fri Oct 12 2018 11:19:44 GMT-0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4


Extensions (enabled: 5)
* ColorfulTabs 31.1.9 (http://www.addongenie.com/colorfultabs)
* DOM Inspector 2.0.16.1-signed 
(http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/) (disabled)

* Open With 6.8.6 (https://github.com/darktrojan/openwith)
* PrefBar 7.1.1 (http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/)
* uBlock Origin 1.16.4.4 (https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock)
* uBlock Origin Updater 1.6.4 
(https://github.com/JustOff/ublock0-updater/)



On 10/12/2018 1:43 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
I have seen SeaMonkey hit a GB or 2 but not much more. I hope we are 
able to provide an x64 Windows build soon after the new infra is 
ready. You can try this one if you would like to take a test drive: 
http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/
Please uninstall your x86 build first. The profiles are compatible. 
Mapi is not Working in x64 TB and SM Windows builds so send from 
explorer will fail. This is an unofficial build with no warranty but 
most of the the additional backports over 2.49.4 where done by me.


FRG

Ant wrote:

A couple questions:

1. Is the official Mac SeaMonkey 64-bit or 32-bit for Mac OS X 
Sierra v10.12.6 on a 2012 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) with 8 GB of RAM 
and 500 GB SSD?


2. In my updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1, my 32-bit SM is slow with some 
web sites especially with muliple tabs like on YouTube, Google News, 
LinkedIn, etc. For an example, it can go up to almost 3 GB of RAM 
with about 10 HTML5 YouTube video tabs (not playing all at the same 
time, just buffering them with one video playing). I don't have this 
problem in MBP. I wonder if it is capped at 3 GB of RAM since it is 
a 32-bit process even though I am using a 64-bit OS.


I hope someone can answer my technical questions. Thank you for 
reading. :)-- 
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Re: 32bit & 64bit SM questions.

2018-10-12 Thread Frank-Rainer Grahl

You can have both x86 and x64 installed. There is no 64 Bit official 2.49 
available. Everything Windows x64 is unoffical. 2.49.5 has fixes over 2.49.4 
but the profiles are interchangable. Extensions should work in both versions. 
The x64 version only supports Flash if you still use plugins. It will update 
DOMi to 2.0.17.2. I never found the time to put the updated version on AMO.


If unsure do a profile backup and just try it. I also use NoScript 5.1.9 
together with uBlock 1.16.4.4. You memory problems might well be tracker and 
third party scripts running amok.


FRG

Ant wrote:
I can't have both 32-bit official (EXE installer) and and 64-bit official 
(portable zip file) installed at the same time? I know I can't run both of 
them at the same time. Also, will my old extensions still work in the 64-bit 
portable version? Here is what I have right now:


Last updated: Fri Oct 12 2018 11:19:44 GMT-0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4


Extensions (enabled: 5)
* ColorfulTabs 31.1.9 (http://www.addongenie.com/colorfultabs)
* DOM Inspector 2.0.16.1-signed (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/) 
(disabled)

* Open With 6.8.6 (https://github.com/darktrojan/openwith)
* PrefBar 7.1.1 (http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/)
* uBlock Origin 1.16.4.4 (https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock)
* uBlock Origin Updater 1.6.4 (https://github.com/JustOff/ublock0-updater/)


On 10/12/2018 1:43 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
I have seen SeaMonkey hit a GB or 2 but not much more. I hope we are able to 
provide an x64 Windows build soon after the new infra is ready. You can try 
this one if you would like to take a test drive: http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/
Please uninstall your x86 build first. The profiles are compatible. Mapi is 
not Working in x64 TB and SM Windows builds so send from explorer will fail. 
This is an unofficial build with no warranty but most of the the additional 
backports over 2.49.4 where done by me.


FRG

Ant wrote:

A couple questions:

1. Is the official Mac SeaMonkey 64-bit or 32-bit for Mac OS X Sierra 
v10.12.6 on a 2012 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) with 8 GB of RAM and 500 GB SSD?


2. In my updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1, my 32-bit SM is slow with some web 
sites especially with muliple tabs like on YouTube, Google News, LinkedIn, 
etc. For an example, it can go up to almost 3 GB of RAM with about 10 HTML5 
YouTube video tabs (not playing all at the same time, just buffering them 
with one video playing). I don't have this problem in MBP. I wonder if it 
is capped at 3 GB of RAM since it is a 32-bit process even though I am 
using a 64-bit OS.


I hope someone can answer my technical questions. Thank you for reading. :)-- 
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assault like swarming ants, with the result that one-third of his men are 
slain, while the town still remains untaken. Such are the disastrous effects 
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Re: 32bit & 64bit SM questions.

2018-10-12 Thread Ant via support-seamonkey

I can't have both 32-bit official (EXE installer) and and 64-bit 
official (portable zip file) installed at the same time? I know I can't 
run both of them at the same time. Also, will my old extensions still 
work in the 64-bit portable version? Here is what I have right now:


Last updated: Fri Oct 12 2018 11:19:44 GMT-0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4


Extensions (enabled: 5)
* ColorfulTabs 31.1.9 (http://www.addongenie.com/colorfultabs)
* DOM Inspector 2.0.16.1-signed 
(http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/) (disabled)

* Open With 6.8.6 (https://github.com/darktrojan/openwith)
* PrefBar 7.1.1 (http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/)
* uBlock Origin 1.16.4.4 (https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock)
* uBlock Origin Updater 1.6.4 (https://github.com/JustOff/ublock0-updater/)


On 10/12/2018 1:43 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
I have seen SeaMonkey hit a GB or 2 but not much more. I hope we are 
able to provide an x64 Windows build soon after the new infra is ready. 
You can try this one if you would like to take a test drive: 
http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/
Please uninstall your x86 build first. The profiles are compatible. Mapi 
is not Working in x64 TB and SM Windows builds so send from explorer 
will fail. This is an unofficial build with no warranty but most of the 
the additional backports over 2.49.4 where done by me.


FRG

Ant wrote:

A couple questions:

1. Is the official Mac SeaMonkey 64-bit or 32-bit for Mac OS X Sierra 
v10.12.6 on a 2012 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) with 8 GB of RAM and 500 GB 
SSD?


2. In my updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1, my 32-bit SM is slow with some web 
sites especially with muliple tabs like on YouTube, Google News, 
LinkedIn, etc. For an example, it can go up to almost 3 GB of RAM with 
about 10 HTML5 YouTube video tabs (not playing all at the same time, 
just buffering them with one video playing). I don't have this problem 
in MBP. I wonder if it is capped at 3 GB of RAM since it is a 32-bit 
process even though I am using a 64-bit OS.


I hope someone can answer my technical questions. Thank you for 
reading. :)-- 
"The general, unable to control his irritation, will launch his men to 
the assault like swarming ants, with the result that one-third of his 
men are slain, while the town still remains untaken. Such are the 
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of War (Translated by Lionel Giles)
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Re: 32bit & 64bit SM questions.

2018-10-12 Thread Frank-Rainer Grahl

I have seen SeaMonkey hit a GB or 2 but not much more. I hope we are able to 
provide an x64 Windows build soon after the new infra is ready. You can try 
this one if you would like to take a test drive: http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/
Please uninstall your x86 build first. The profiles are compatible. Mapi is 
not Working in x64 TB and SM Windows builds so send from explorer will fail. 
This is an unofficial build with no warranty but most of the the additional 
backports over 2.49.4 where done by me.


FRG

Ant wrote:

A couple questions:

1. Is the official Mac SeaMonkey 64-bit or 32-bit for Mac OS X Sierra v10.12.6 
on a 2012 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) with 8 GB of RAM and 500 GB SSD?


2. In my updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1, my 32-bit SM is slow with some web sites 
especially with muliple tabs like on YouTube, Google News, LinkedIn, etc. For 
an example, it can go up to almost 3 GB of RAM with about 10 HTML5 YouTube 
video tabs (not playing all at the same time, just buffering them with one 
video playing). I don't have this problem in MBP. I wonder if it is capped at 
3 GB of RAM since it is a 32-bit process even though I am using a 64-bit OS.


I hope someone can answer my technical questions. Thank you for reading. :)

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Re: 32bit & 64bit SM questions.

2018-10-11 Thread Chris Ilias


On 2018-10-11 4:03 p.m., Ant wrote:

A couple questions:

1. Is the official Mac SeaMonkey 64-bit or 32-bit for Mac OS X Sierra 
v10.12.6 on a 2012 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) with 8 GB of RAM and 500 GB SSD?


On Mac, SeaMonkey has been 64-bit since version 2.1.

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2018-10-11 Thread Ant via support-seamonkey


A couple questions:

1. Is the official Mac SeaMonkey 64-bit or 32-bit for Mac OS X Sierra 
v10.12.6 on a 2012 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) with 8 GB of RAM and 500 GB SSD?


2. In my updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1, my 32-bit SM is slow with some web 
sites especially with muliple tabs like on YouTube, Google News, 
LinkedIn, etc. For an example, it can go up to almost 3 GB of RAM with 
about 10 HTML5 YouTube video tabs (not playing all at the same time, 
just buffering them with one video playing). I don't have this problem 
in MBP. I wonder if it is capped at 3 GB of RAM since it is a 32-bit 
process even though I am using a 64-bit OS.


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Re: Questions about repeated report from Malwarebytes

2017-08-01 Thread Keith N. McKenna

On 8/1/2017 10:17 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
> 
>> ...
>>
>> The following assumes you are using Windows 7, but there should be
>> equivalent steps with other versions of Windows.
>>
>> For Chrome, you must use the Windows Task Manager. On your task bar
>> at the bottom of you monitor screen, right click away from any task
>> buttons. Select Start Task Manager.  ...
> 
> Good answer all around, kudos.
> 
> I'd like to add that the easy way to launch Windows Task Manager (has
> been for decades in all versions of Windows, though I can't speak for
> Win10), is CTRL-SHIFT-ESC.
> 
Also works on Windows 10.

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Re: Questions about repeated report from Malwarebytes

2017-08-01 Thread Paul B. Gallagher


David E. Ross wrote:


...

The following assumes you are using Windows 7, but there should be
equivalent steps with other versions of Windows.

For Chrome, you must use the Windows Task Manager. On your task bar
at the bottom of you monitor screen, right click away from any task
buttons. Select Start Task Manager.  ...


Good answer all around, kudos.

I'd like to add that the easy way to launch Windows Task Manager (has 
been for decades in all versions of Windows, though I can't speak for 
Win10), is CTRL-SHIFT-ESC.


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Re: Questions about repeated report from Malwarebytes

2017-08-01 Thread David E. Ross

On 8/1/2017 4:45 PM, Bea wrote:
> Malwarebytes  has repeatedly notified me they're blocking 
> www.swagbucks.com, The report mentions a threat of 
> an outbound connection, the same IP addressed each time, and 
> C:\programfiles(x86)...Application\chrome.exe.  Every time I try to uninstall 
> Chrome I get the message that I have to close Chrome windows, whatever that 
> means.
> 
> 
> This started after downloading the newer version of SeaMonkey.  What do I do 
> to get this to stop? How do I uninstall Chrome?
> 
> 
> Bea
> 
> Earn Reward Points and Redeem Them For Free Stuff at 
> ...
> www.swagbucks.com
> Earn Swag Bucks for your online activity. Join with Facebook or enter your 
> email, new password, and re-enter password to get started.
> 
> 

First of all, Mozilla (including such Mozilla-based applications as
SeaMonkey) used the term "chrome" (lower-case "c") before Google
developed its Chrome (upper-case "C") browser.  If you have Firefox,
Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, or related applications, you have chrome folders
and files.  These have nothing to do with Chrome or chrome.exe.

Now for your problem, you have installed AVG Anti-Virus in addition to
Malwarebytes.  The fault lies with AVG Anti-Virus.  When you updated AVG
Anti-Virus, it automatically added the Chrome browser without asking you
for permission.  My recommendation is to uninstall both AVG Anti-Virus
and Chrome.  This can be complicated.  The following assumes you are
using Windows 7, but there should be equivalent steps with other
versions of Windows.

For Chrome, you must use the Windows Task Manager.  On your task bar at
the bottom of you monitor screen, right click away from any task
buttons.  Select Start Task Manager.  Select the Processes tab.  Near
the top of the Processes pane, click on the Image Name bar to sort the
processes in alphabetical order.  If you scroll down and see chrome.exe,
select it and then select the End Process button at the bottom-right
corner of the window.  Check to make sure Chrome is terminated.  Then
use the Windows Programs and Features window to uninstall Chrome; you
can reach this window from [Settings > Control Panel].

To uninstall AVG, see
.

Then get a fresh installer file for AVG.  When you install, make sure
you uncheck the checkboxes for also installing Chrome.  NEVER again
allow AVG to update automatically.  NEVER again click on the update
button in AVG.  ALWAYS work from a fresh installer file that you
download via SeaMonkey.

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Questions about repeated report from Malwarebytes

2017-08-01 Thread Bea

Malwarebytes  has repeatedly notified me they're blocking 
www.swagbucks.com, The report mentions a threat of an 
outbound connection, the same IP addressed each time, and 
C:\programfiles(x86)...Application\chrome.exe.  Every time I try to uninstall 
Chrome I get the message that I have to close Chrome windows, whatever that 
means.


This started after downloading the newer version of SeaMonkey.  What do I do to 
get this to stop? How do I uninstall Chrome?


Bea

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Re: New user - with the second list of questions

2017-06-09 Thread rickman

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 6/8/2017 10:47 PM:

I did (with help) manage to solve the main hang-up in the first list - I van
now send emails when I post.

I have a mystery, though. While I can post to the forum via this path, I
cannot post through the obvious path, and have no idea how I came upon the
working path. When I post using the standard path (with a standard newsreader
GUI, I get a strange error message:

"Send Message - This account only supports email recipients. Continuing will ignore newsgroups."
The claimed newsgroup is "mozilla.support.seamonkey" under a "Newsgroups" tag.

The URL for the path that works is
.

Now standard news readers do not recognize a "mozilla.support.seamonkey"
newsgroup, so something proprietary is being done. It's a Google Group in drag. I found
it in Google Groups, but there seem to be many decoys there. Confusing.

Here is this thread in GG:

Anyway, what's going on and how does one fix it?

It is sort of goofy. Google groups duplicates many newsgroups, but they are
still newsgroups. This one is no exception. It's just not hosted by the
major newsgroup servers, rather by mozilla.org.

There is also an email list, but I'm not clear on whether you can post
through it or if it is only for reading. Doesn't matter to me, I much
prefer newsgroups over mailing lists for casual topics.

Rick C
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Re: New user - with the second list of questions

2017-06-09 Thread Ed Mullen

On 6/8/17 at 10:47 PM, joegw...@comcast.net's prodigious digits fired 
off with great aplomb:

I did (with help) manage to solve the main hang-up in the first list - I van 
now send emails when I post.

I have a mystery, though.  While I can post to the forum via this path, I 
cannot post through the obvious path, and have no idea how I came upon the 
working path.  When I post using the standard path (with a standard newsreader 
GUI, I get a strange error message:

"Send Message - This account only supports email recipients. Continuing will ignore newsgroups."  
The claimed newsgroup is "mozilla.support.seamonkey" under a "Newsgroups" tag.

The URL for the path that works is 
.

Now standard news readers do not recognize a "mozilla.support.seamonkey" 
newsgroup, so something proprietary is being done.  It's a Google Group in drag.  I found 
it in Google Groups, but there seem to be many decoys there.  Confusing.

Here is this thread in GG:

.


Anyway, what's going on and how does one fix it?

Thanks,

Joe



The correct server is news.mozilla.org.  Set that up in SM and subscribe 
to the groups you want.




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Re: New user - with the second list of questions

2017-06-09 Thread EE


joegw...@comcast.net wrote:

I did (with help) manage to solve the main hang-up in the first list - I van 
now send emails when I post.

I have a mystery, though.  While I can post to the forum via this path, I 
cannot post through the obvious path, and have no idea how I came upon the 
working path.  When I post using the standard path (with a standard newsreader 
GUI, I get a strange error message:

"Send Message - This account only supports email recipients. Continuing will ignore newsgroups."  
The claimed newsgroup is "mozilla.support.seamonkey" under a "Newsgroups" tag.

The URL for the path that works is 
.

Now standard news readers do not recognize a "mozilla.support.seamonkey" 
newsgroup, so something proprietary is being done.  It's a Google Group in drag.  I found 
it in Google Groups, but there seem to be many decoys there.  Confusing.

Here is this thread in GG:

.


Anyway, what's going on and how does one fix it?

Thanks,

Joe


The news server for Mozilla is at news.mozilla.org.  Try that one.

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New user - with the second list of questions

2017-06-08 Thread joegwinn

I did (with help) manage to solve the main hang-up in the first list - I van 
now send emails when I post.  

I have a mystery, though.  While I can post to the forum via this path, I 
cannot post through the obvious path, and have no idea how I came upon the 
working path.  When I post using the standard path (with a standard newsreader 
GUI, I get a strange error message:  

"Send Message - This account only supports email recipients. Continuing will 
ignore newsgroups."  The claimed newsgroup is "mozilla.support.seamonkey" under 
a "Newsgroups" tag.

The URL for the path that works is 
.

Now standard news readers do not recognize a "mozilla.support.seamonkey" 
newsgroup, so something proprietary is being done.  It's a Google Group in 
drag.  I found it in Google Groups, but there seem to be many decoys there.  
Confusing.

Here is this thread in GG:

.


Anyway, what's going on and how does one fix it?

Thanks,

Joe
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