Re: Problem with WE and Word 2010

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Unfortunately still no. I can't even read a new document I've just written in.

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> On Apr 28, 2016, at 6:00 PM, Rod Hutton  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bryan,
> 
> Here is a kb article worth checking out:
> http://www.gwmicro.com/Support/Knowledge_Base/?kbnumber=GWKB2048
> hth,
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
> Sent: April 28, 2016 9:49 AM
> To: Chris Grabowski 
> Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: Problem with WE and Word 2010
> 
> Unfortunately that doesn't appear to have fixed the issue.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Chris Grabowski  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> From within word, go to file/options/add-ins press alt-g.  and make sure 
>> window-eyes office helper is checked.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 7:22 PM
>> To: Van Lant, Robin 
>> Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: Problem with WE and Word 2010
>> 
>> Compatibility mode or something. But it does this with all documents, even 
>> when I create a blank one and write test text.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Van Lant, Robin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is this with all documents?  Is it saying Protected View?   Sorry, I didn't 
>>> read the first thread on this. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 12:34 PM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Problem with WE and Word 2010
>>> 
>>> A few days back I wrote about a problem with Word 2010 where WE would not 
>>> read a document withe arrow keys or even the mouse pointer. I was told to 
>>> run Diagnostics, repair the Windows 10 display driver and reboot. After 
>>> doing this twice the problem persists. Needless to say I'm now stumped.
>>> 
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Re: Problem with WE and Word 2010

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Unfortunately that doesn't appear to have fixed the issue.

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> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Chris Grabowski  wrote:
> 
> From within word, go to file/options/add-ins press alt-g.  and make sure 
> window-eyes office helper is checked.
> 
> 
> 
> Window-Eyes Product Support
> Ai Squared
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared....@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 7:22 PM
> To: Van Lant, Robin 
> Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: Problem with WE and Word 2010
> 
> Compatibility mode or something. But it does this with all documents, even 
> when I create a blank one and write test text.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Van Lant, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> Is this with all documents?  Is it saying Protected View?   Sorry, I didn't 
>> read the first thread on this. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 12:34 PM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: Problem with WE and Word 2010
>> 
>> A few days back I wrote about a problem with Word 2010 where WE would not 
>> read a document withe arrow keys or even the mouse pointer. I was told to 
>> run Diagnostics, repair the Windows 10 display driver and reboot. After 
>> doing this twice the problem persists. Needless to say I'm now stumped.
>> 
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Re: Problem with WE and Word 2010

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Compatibility mode or something. But it does this with all documents, even when 
I create a blank one and write test text.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Van Lant, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Is this with all documents?  Is it saying Protected View?   Sorry, I didn't 
> read the first thread on this. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 12:34 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Problem with WE and Word 2010
> 
> A few days back I wrote about a problem with Word 2010 where WE would not 
> read a document withe arrow keys or even the mouse pointer. I was told to run 
> Diagnostics, repair the Windows 10 display driver and reboot. After doing 
> this twice the problem persists. Needless to say I'm now stumped.
> 
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Problem with WE and Word 2010

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

A few days back I wrote about a problem with Word 2010 where WE would not read 
a document withe arrow keys or even the mouse pointer. I was told to run 
Diagnostics, repair the Windows 10 display driver and reboot. After doing this 
twice the problem persists. Needless to say I'm now stumped.

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Problem in Word 2010

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I’m having an issue with Word 2010 on the new Win10 laptop I’m using. Well 
technically it isn’t new but that’s beside the point. The problem I’m having is 
that when I write something and then try to arrow through to read what I wrote 
WE doesn’t speak. Nor do I get anything if I backspace to delete something. It 
acts like the document is blank except that it doesn’t even say blank. I’ve 
checked that the screen is maximized and it does seem to be, so that would seem 
to rule that out as the cause. So I’m not sure what could be causing this. I’m 
using the Office version of WE9.4.
Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so.
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Re: Windows 10 Questions

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I actually figured it out quite by chance earlier today. THe problem was 
that I had a demo of Winzip on my machine and it kept wanting to use that. 
Unfortunately the evaluation time was up. I removed that and now it works 
just fine.


-Original Message- 
From: Dave

Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 4:42 PM
To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 Questions

Hi Brian,
Win 10 has an Unzip utility.

Here is what I do.

I download my books from the library, which are put into a folder named
Downloads.

I have put a short cut on the desk top for File explorer, however, you
cand Tab around till you get to File Explorer if you do not have a short
cut.

Start up File Explorer.

That opens up and you should here, This Computer, and then a list of
folders.

Down arrow to Downloads and press Enter.

Arrow through the files you have downloaded until you get to the Zipped
Book files.

Move to a book with the cursor and then press Shift F10.  Down arrow
till you get to Extract, and press Enter.

This will start the Extraction.

Tab three times till you get to Unzip and press Enter.

You can tell when the Extract is finished as the Progress bar stops
beeping.  There is no Voice that tells you it is done, nor can I find a
Finish button.

When I believe the process to be finished, I then press  Alt-F4 to close
the utility.

Arrow to the next book and repeat the procedure.

When to books have all been Unzipped, I then go back and delete the
Zipped files.


Hope this helps,

Grumpy Dave



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Re: Windows 10 Questions

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I for one am rather liking Windows 10, although going from VIsta right to 10 
is quite a change LOL. I notice it doesn't appear to have its own unzipping 
utility the way previous versions of Windows did.


-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 9:30 AM
To: Tom Kingston ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 Questions

If I just press alt-2 while situated in any folder, the new folder edit
box appears.

On 4/22/2016 9:51 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hey Dave,

I have no idea on Gold Wave. But to create a new folder in Windows 
Explorer you can either hit the Alt key to focus the ribbon followed by 
the number 2 to create a new folder, or, hit the Window-Eyes bypass hot 
key Insert-B followed by Control-Shift-N.
You'll come into an edit box with the field name of New Folder and the 
text "New folder" already inserted as the file name. Just delete it and 
enter the name you actually want. Then hit Enter.


Regards,
Tom


On 4/22/2016 10:40 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Hello,

So far I like Windows 10 alright.  And WE 9.4 is running like a Champ.

I am having a difficult time getting Gold Wave to record from the Sound
card.  Does anyone know if there is a Trick to get Gold Wave to work
with Win 10?  Or do I have some other problem?

And last, I want to create New Folders on the C: Drive.

I usually make several folders where I either store items, or I store
Temporary work.  but, no where can I figure how to create these extra
folders where I wish to store various kinds of files.

I know this seems simple, but often it is the simple things that trip me
up.

Anyone have a solution for one or the other of these questions?

Thanks,

Grumpy Dave



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Re: Any ideas on how to get WE for Office out of demo mode anybody

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Well at least there's still Sapi lol.

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> On Apr 19, 2016, at 6:58 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> If you purchase the premium voices they are tied to a serial number.
> So if you purchased Vocalizer for a retail serial number they won't work for 
> Window-eyes for Office.
> Chris
> 
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> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:16 PM
> To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
> List' 
> Subject: RE: Any ideas on how to get WE for Office out of demo mode anybody
> 
> Hello Brian. Eloquence, dectalk access 32, and vocalizer work with
> Window-Eyes for office when you buy them. I have my own copy of Eloquence
> with the office deal.
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 10:40 AM
> To: Chris Grabowski; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Any ideas on how to get WE for Office out of demo mode anybody
> 
> That's good to know. The laptop I'm going to be getting soon has Win10 on it
> and I'll need to use the office version of WE until I can afford to purchase
> a new SMA. The thought of having to listen to those horrible ESpeak voices
> all day every day had me cringing in dread. Granted I did purchase the
> Vocalizer voices but I don't recall if those work with the Office version.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 5:46 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Microsoft Speech Platform and SAPI also work with Window-eyes for users of
> Microsoft Office.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> Window-Eyes Product Support
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>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>> On Behalf Of net bat via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 12:39 PM
>> To: matthew dyer ; Window-Eyes 
>> Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: Any ideas on how to get WE for Office out of demo mode 
>> anybody
>> 
>> also check which w e synth you are useing. i think e speak is the only 
>> free synth supplied with the free w e version. if you are not useing a 
>> paid version w e will run in demo mode until you switch synthisizers.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: matthew dyer via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 6:52 AM
>> To: Larry Higgins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Any ideas on how to get WE for Office out of demo mode 
>> anybody
>> 
>> Not sure if this has been mentioned, but make sure you run ne of the 
>> office programs like word and make sure you are signed into your 
>> office account and you should be all set.  There is also a tole in the 
>> we opsions menu that can be ran to fix this.
>> 
>> 
>> Just upgraded my laptop to win 10 and it works just fine .
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 04/16/2016 08:54 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>>> I don't think I have to tell any of you just how maddening this demo 
>>> mode can be, so if anybody could please help, I would love you for ever
> and two weeks.
>>> 
>>> Windows 10 looks promising, so would really like to have some time to 
>>> spend with it.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Larry
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Re: Any ideas on how to get WE for Office out of demo mode anybody

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

That's good to know. The laptop I'm going to be getting soon has Win10 on it 
and I'll need to use the office version of WE until I can afford to purchase a 
new SMA. The thought of having to listen to those horrible ESpeak voices all 
day every day had me cringing in dread. Granted I did purchase the Vocalizer 
voices but I don't recall if those work with the Office version.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2016, at 5:46 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Microsoft Speech Platform and SAPI also work with Window-eyes for users of 
> Microsoft Office.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> Window-Eyes Product Support
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> Fort Wayne, IN 46825
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> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of net bat via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 12:39 PM
> To: matthew dyer ; Window-Eyes Discussion 
> List 
> Subject: Re: Any ideas on how to get WE for Office out of demo mode anybody
> 
> also check which w e synth you are useing. i think e speak is the only free 
> synth supplied with the free w e version. if you are not useing a paid 
> version 
> w e will run in demo mode until you switch synthisizers.
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: matthew dyer via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 6:52 AM
> To: Larry Higgins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Any ideas on how to get WE for Office out of demo mode anybody
> 
> Not sure if this has been mentioned, but make sure you run ne of the
> office programs like word and make sure you are signed into your office
> account and you should be all set.  There is also a tole in the we
> opsions menu that can be ran to fix this.
> 
> 
> Just upgraded my laptop to win 10 and it works just fine .
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
>> On 04/16/2016 08:54 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>> I don't think I have to tell any of you just how maddening this demo mode 
>> can 
>> be, so if anybody could please help, I would love you for ever and two weeks.
>> 
>> Windows 10 looks promising, so would really like to have some time to spend 
>> with it.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Larry
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Re: Donald Duck and his computer

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Mackintosh computer and Donald Duck. MacDonald.



E Pluribus Unum.
-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 9:03 AM
To: David ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: OT: Donald Duck and his computer

I don't get it.


On 3/19/2016 10:38 AM, David via Talk wrote:
Even Donald Duck has decided to go modern, and get a computer. Like the 
rest of us, he seems to drag it around from one room to the other.


Now, they simply just nickname him: McDonald.

Sorry for the Off-Topic joke.
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WE reading URLs when navigating links.

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For the past week or so I’ve had an issue where when either arrowing or tabbing 
through links on a web page WE will not only tell e what eac lnk is but often 
it’ll also speak the URL as well. I’ll sometimes eve do tis whe I’m just 
reading text on a page. I can’t, for the life of me, remember what setting I 
need to change to stop this behavior, whether it’s in Mouse Verbosity or 
something else.
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Re: I seem to have broken my WE install.

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Hmmm. Idid manage to get it working again but I'll have to remember this just 
in case.

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> On Mar 10, 2016, at 5:43 AM, Chris Grabowski  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Make sure you run the latest WERemove from:
> http://www.getwindoweyes.com/support/files/weremove.exe
> 
> Don't use the one on your 7.5 cd.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 5:14 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Subject: I seem to have broken my WE install.
> 
> I actually posted about this yesterday but the only reply I got was from 
> someone who apparently misread the message and thought it was just a problem 
> of an overloaded server from people rushing to get the 9.4 download.
>  I managed to download and install the 60-day evaluation of WE9.4 and install 
> it since I wanted to give it a try so I’d have some idea what to expect by 
> the time I manage to save up either for a new SMA or a copy of Office 2010 or 
> later. Unfortunately I found the newer version of WE to be extremely slow on 
> my nearly seven-year-old Vista laptop and it also only ran in 30-minute mode, 
> so I uninstalled it. This is where the issues began. For starters I had to 
> use the Emergency removal tool since Window-Eyes didn’t show up in the 
> Programs and Features list. After uninstalling 9.4 I set about reinstallin 
> from my 7.5 CD and then going fro there to the 8.4 upgrade. Unfortunately 
> while Window-Eyes would come up speaking it only said that Window-Eyes cannot 
> communicate with the video display driver and that it must be reinstalled. 
> Unfortunately I can’t figure out how to do this.
> Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
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I seem to have broken my WE install.

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I actually posted about this yesterday but the only reply I got was from 
someone who apparently misread the message and thought it was just a problem of 
an overloaded server from people rushing to get the 9.4 download.
  I managed to download and install the 60-day evaluation of WE9.4 and install 
it since I wanted to give it a try so I’d have some idea what to expect by the 
time I manage to save up either for a new SMA or a copy of Office 2010 or 
later. Unfortunately I found the newer version of WE to be extremely slow on my 
nearly seven-year-old Vista laptop and it also only ran in 30-minute mode, so I 
uninstalled it. This is where the issues began. For starters I had to use the 
Emergency removal tool since Window-Eyes didn’t show up in the Programs and 
Features list. After uninstalling 9.4 I set about reinstallin from my 7.5 CD 
and then going fro there to the 8.4 upgrade. Unfortunately while Window-Eyes 
would come up speaking it only said that Window-Eyes cannot communicate with 
the video display driver and that it must be reinstalled. Unfortunately I can’t 
figure out how to do this.
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Re: Problem after installing WE 9.4 evaluation.

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Lol I think you misread my message.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Joseph Norton  wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> Usually, when an update to WindowEyes comes out, there is a rash of 
> complaints from folks who are trying to get the update as soon as possible.  
> As one of the AI Squared staff pointed out, the server can get overloaded and 
> things might work erratically.  After the first day, the problems  usually 
> calm down.
> 
> So, a good rule of thumb is, unless you have an urgent need for the latest 
> update, just give it a day or so, and things will probably work better.  And, 
> that sounds like just how things went for you.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 6:13 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Subject: Problem after installing WE 9.4 evaluation.
> 
> Hi,
>  I tried installing the 60-day eval of WE9.4 on my machine just to give it a 
> try. I feared that on my nearly seven-year-old machine there might be trouble 
> and I was unfortunately all too right. For starters it kept saying evaluation 
> expired and it also ran incredibly slow, so I uninstalled it. Here’s where 
> the issues began. I had to use the WE emergency removal utility since 
> Window-Eyes was unlisted in the programs and features list in Windows Vista. 
> The issues began when I started reinstalling my older version of WE. The 
> installer said that Window-Eyes couldn’t communicate with the display driver 
> and that I should enable or reinstall it. Unfortunately I can’t seem to find 
> it, so I’m having to resort to using NVDA for the moment.
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Problem after installing WE 9.4 evaluation.

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Hi,
  I tried installing the 60-day eval of WE9.4 on my machine just to give it a 
try. I feared that on my nearly seven-year-old machine there might be trouble 
and I was unfortunately all too right. For starters it kept saying evaluation 
expired and it also ran incredibly slow, so I uninstalled it. Here’s where the 
issues began. I had to use the WE emergency removal utility since Window-Eyes 
was unlisted in the programs and features list in Windows Vista. The issues 
began when I started reinstalling my older version of WE. The installer said 
that Window-Eyes couldn’t communicate with the display driver and that I should 
enable or reinstall it. Unfortunately I can’t seem to find it, so I’m having to 
resort to using NVDA for the moment.
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Re: Window-Eyes features

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Agreed. I'm not trying to be harsh but I've noticed this about a lot of his 
messages. But he was responding to someone who suggested a kind of virtual 
ribbon feature that would restore the old menu bar to Microsoft products for 
those who want it or, more accurately, make the ribbons act like the old 
menu bars.




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-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:55 AM
To: Gary Melconian ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes features

What feature?  I couldn't understand your message.  Please be more careful.
Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Gary Melconian via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 9:53 PM
To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Rick Jarvis'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes features

I wouldlike ot se that in the next version of window eyes asa majoir
feature. As that is one feature thathe ocmpetion has oave window eyes as
well as touch screen support. Come on guys at ai and gw micro get on top of
thing s an release a version with features thathe consuemrs want.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+garymelc=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 6:51 PM
To: 'Rick Jarvis' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes features

I third that.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Rick Jarvis via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 9:13 PM
To: Sky Mundell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes features

I second that motion!!

On 2/28/2016 5:12 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hello guys.  Has AI Squared staff ever considered, in the next version
of Window-Eyes, a feature that one other screen reader has? That
feature is called Virtual ribbons. What Virtual ribbons does is it
makes the ribbons in Microsoft office 2007 upwards into a menu bar.
That is a feature that every screen reader should have. Window-Eyes
should have a virtual ribbons like feature.

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Re: Window-Eyes features

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Come again?



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-Original Message- 
From: Gary Melconian via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:10 PM
To: 'Sky Mundell' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Darrell Bowles'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes features

But its there  for those who want to enabled and its hou lbe ther for the
window eyes user who wants to enable it as well its been ther for agessine
JAWs 11, see ther are fatures thathe competiton gets right which takes gw
ages to get right lately.  Touch support, and toher thigns tha it takes for
ever for gw and ai to develop.
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Re: Update Warning

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I for one have no problem with updating and plan to do so as soon as 
finances allow.




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-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 5:58 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Andy Baracco
Subject: Re: Update Warning

It's called business.

On 2/25/2016 3:08 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
I agree with that.  I don't know why these companies have to keep pushing 
stuff down our throats.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Andy Baracco via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 12:27 AM
To: Gary Melconian ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Update Warning

A mobility instructor once told me that the fastest route between two 
points

is the one you know. To paraphrase, the best computing solution for you is
the one that you feel most comfortable with.

Andy


-Original Message- From: Gary Melconian via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 9:20 PM
To: 'Pamela Dominguez' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Pastor Gil 
Pries'

Subject: RE: Update Warning

No matter you are going ot get windows 10. Guys face the facts its time 
oto
move on from windows 7 or 8 to windows 10. It's a much better platform 
then

7 or 8 eve was. Best world the best o 7 and 8.1 comined into windows 10.
Thast a much better solution then anything else.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+garymelc=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 8:51 PM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Update Warning

Yes, I have heard it comes back.  They are really trying to push it on us.
Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 9:04 AM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Update Warning

Hi,
The update, KB3035583, came back in my update list after I hid it 2 
dtimes.

This is the third time I have hidden it.
It put the Get Windows 10 icon in my systray.
Once I uninstalled it the icon is gone again.
Thought you all would like to know.

Pastor Gil
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Re: What is the Status of the Edge Browser Accessibility Project

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I have to save up first beforeI can do that.


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-Original Message- 
From: Gary Melconian

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 11:41 AM
To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Tony C' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: What is the Status of the Edge Browser Accessibility Project

Its time to upgrade to a new pc . that not a big deal there are some good
deals if you can find the resources for htem.

-Original Message-
From: Bryan Peterson [mailto:bpeterson2...@cableone.net]
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 6:47 AM
To: Tony C ; Gary Melconian ;
Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: What is the Status of the Edge Browser Accessibility Project

Me too, although it's likely to be quite a wile since I don't have Windows 7
and so it'll be a long while before Windows 10. All I know is Internet
Exploder is really starting to irritate me. And I'm still on IE9.



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-Original Message-
From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 5:09 AM
To: Gary Melconian ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: What is the Status of the Edge Browser Accessibility Project

I'm looking forward to trying the new edge also.

-Original Message-
From: Gary Melconian via Talk
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 7:15 PM
To: 'Rick Thomas' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Marc Solomon'
Subject: RE: What is the Status of the Edge Browser Accessibility Project

Rick same here.cant wait till the day we can get rid of IE for edge.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+garymelc=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:15 PM
To: 'Marc Solomon' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: What is the Status of the Edge Browser Accessibility Project

Thanks Mark:
Just waiting until I can replace Internet Explorer.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: What is the Status of the Edge Browser Accessibility Project

Hi Rick,
Once we have something to share publicly, we will let you and everyone else
know. Thanks for your patience.
Regards,
Marc

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On February 19, 2016 5:09:41 PM Rick Thomas via Talk
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Hi: It has been some time now.
What is the status of the Edge Browser accessibility project both at
Microsoft where they say they are making progress and at AI Squared
where

I

havent heard anything yet.
Rick USA

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Re: What is the Status of the Edge Browser Accessibility Project

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Me too, although it's likely to be quite a wile since I don't have Windows 7 
and so it'll be a long while before Windows 10. All I know is Internet 
Exploder is really starting to irritate me. And I'm still on IE9.




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-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 5:09 AM
To: Gary Melconian ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: What is the Status of the Edge Browser Accessibility Project

I'm looking forward to trying the new edge also.

-Original Message- 
From: Gary Melconian via Talk

Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 7:15 PM
To: 'Rick Thomas' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Marc Solomon'
Subject: RE: What is the Status of the Edge Browser Accessibility Project

Rick same here.cant wait till the day we can get rid of IE for edge.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+garymelc=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:15 PM
To: 'Marc Solomon' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: What is the Status of the Edge Browser Accessibility Project

Thanks Mark:
Just waiting until I can replace Internet Explorer.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:48 PM
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Subject: Re: What is the Status of the Edge Browser Accessibility Project

Hi Rick,
Once we have something to share publicly, we will let you and everyone else
know. Thanks for your patience.
Regards,
Marc

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Hi: It has been some time now.
What is the status of the Edge Browser accessibility project both at
Microsoft where they say they are making progress and at AI Squared
where

I

havent heard anything yet.
Rick USA

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Re: a problem with window-eyes

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I usually get those beeps, if it's the ones I'm thinking of that sound 
almost like an old Atari 2600 ame, as I'm closing a web browsing session 
with Internet Exploder. The tones are then followed by the death of 
Window-Eyes and even NVDA can't read whateer messagecomes up. Te again Iam 
running version 8.4 on a rather slow Toshiba laptop running Windows Vista 
32-bit. I've also ahd tis machhine going on seven years now so it's probably 
understandable that it'd be slow.




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-Original Message- 
From: crw9599 via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 8:34 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: re: a problem with window-eyes

 Hello, have been reading the talk digest and am also experiencing the
same thing some times will get the beeps when windows starts up and some
times I do get that same kind of thing right after the windows sound
then window eyes will speak. I am running windows7 home premium 32 bit
after the upgrade I have never got this type of thing before. Since I do
have 9.3 on cd tried reinstalling it hoping it would fix it no luck
there, and after I do restart the computer  the problem will sometimes
will go away with out any beeps. When it starts up normally I do get the
window eyes piano sound. Will there be a fix out in the next update?
This is driving me crazy.


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Re: upgrading to the newest version of window-eyes

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Even the company webpage? LOL.



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-Original Message- 
From: Marc Solomon

Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:38 PM
To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Nick Sarames ; Casey
Subject: RE: upgrading to the newest version of window-eyes

The website doesn't take into account a special exception we are making for 
customers who upgrade and invest in a SMA. We basically are giving away the 
9.2 upgrade for those who invest in the SMA program after upgrading. This 
accounts for $50 price difference. Please have faith that the Ai Squared 
staff will give you accurate info when you call. Trusting a webpage, well 
that is a different story. 


Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Bryan Peterson via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 1:58 PM
To: Nick Sarames ; Casey ; 
Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: upgrading to the newest version of window-eyes

I'm in that same position. I've got two possible figures. One from the web
site which totals out at $424, $225 for an upgrade and then $199 for the SMA
itself. But then I have a second estimate that totals out at $376 or so for
a $175 upgrade and a $199 SMA. That second set of figures was from a call I
made a month or two back. So I'm not entirely clear.



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-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:09 AM
To: Casey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: upgrading to the newest version of window-eyes

You should probably call AI Squared directly.

On 2/11/2016 12:58 PM, Casey via Talk wrote:

Hi I would like to upgrade to the latest version of window-eyes.
Now if I would do that and update my SMA and want the latest version on
CD.
What would that run me?
And when I would get the latest version of window-eyes.
Would it be best for me to completely uninstall my current copy of
window-eyes and then install the latest one?
If I would do that how then do I keep all of my scripts and vocalizer
voices that I have purchased?




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Re: upgrading to the newest version of window-eyes

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I'm in that same position. I've got two possible figures. One from the web 
site which totals out at $424, $225 for an upgrade and then $199 for the SMA 
itself. But then I have a second estimate that totals out at $376 or so for 
a $175 upgrade and a $199 SMA. That second set of figures was from a call I 
made a month or two back. So I'm not entirely clear.




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-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:09 AM
To: Casey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: upgrading to the newest version of window-eyes

You should probably call AI Squared directly.

On 2/11/2016 12:58 PM, Casey via Talk wrote:

Hi I would like to upgrade to the latest version of window-eyes.
Now if I would do that and update my SMA and want the latest version on 
CD.

What would that run me?
And when I would get the latest version of window-eyes.
Would it be best for me to completely uninstall my current copy of 
window-eyes and then install the latest one?
If I would do that how then do I keep all of my scripts and vocalizer 
voices that I have purchased?





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Re: an alternative to webvisum

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

It's always been FF only.



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-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 3:21 PM
To: Chris Grabowski ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: an alternative to webvisum

Any way to use that with internet explorer?  I was fooling around with
that, but could not figure out how to use the light version with ie.

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Hi,
www.skipinput.com
It isn't free but works well.


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-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Mike Bernard via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:54 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: an alternative to webvisum

Hi everyone,

I've been using Webvisum for the longest time now and as of lastnight, 
I've

noticed that its no longer installed on my computer. I've tried to install
it, but no matter what I do, I just can't get it to work for me. Every 
time

I try to install it, I get a message that says, "firefox has prevented the
installation of an unverified ad-on." What's happened to Webvisum? It was
the only accessible method we had to solve those irritating captchas and 
now

it appears to be gone. Is there an alternative?

Mike

Rochester, NY.



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Re: Navigating Facebook, a Frustrating Experience

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

The mobile site, while not perfect, is actually quite accessible.



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-Original Message- 
From: Helen Murphy via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 6:02 AM
To: Matthew Chao ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Navigating Facebook, a Frustrating Experience

face book is not blind friendly ive heard a lot of people say that. I'm a 
partial sighted person legally blind and it took a very, very long time to 
master it. helen murphy


On Tue, 1/26/16, Matthew Chao via Talk  wrote:

Subject: Re: Navigating Facebook, a Frustrating Experience
To: grimwoodpi...@btinternet.com, "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 


Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2016, 7:32 AM

Hi, Robert.  Yes.
It's much better than conventional Facebook, though
it has some shortcomings.  If only Facebook
were easier overall.
Thanks.--Matthew
Chao


--

Matthew Chao 

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:25:00
+
Robert Grimwood via Talk 
wrote:




Dear Matthew,




have you tried m.facebook.com on your computer? For some
reason it seems to be more easily accessible, although it is
not perfect.




Cheerio,

Robert




On 1/26/2016 5:52 AM, Bryan Peterson

via Talk wrote:

> I can definitely

agree with that.

>
>
>
> Focus your powers and prepare for

buttle.

> -Original Message-

From: Jed Barton via Talk

> Sent:

Monday, January 25, 2016 9:25 PM

>

To: Smith, Veronica ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

> Subject: Re: Navigating Facebook, a

Frustrating Experience

>
> i won't use anything but fb

mobile, it's super easy.  No need to get

> frustrated with the regular sight
>
> On

1/25/2016 4:04 PM, Smith, Veronica via Talk wrote:

>> Sign into FB Mobile.  It is so

easy, you'll wonder why you didn't go >> there
first.

>>


-Original Message-



From: Talk >>

[mailto:talk-bounces+veronica.smith=aps@lists.window-eyes.com]
On >> Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk

>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016

9:08 AM

>> To: Window-Eyes

Discussion List

>> Subject:

Navigating Facebook, a Frustrating Experience

>>
>> Hi,

Folks.  Have been up on Facebook trying to take care of
things. Am

>> having trouble

reading the messages I want to read and sending out new

>> ones.  Also, tough finding

recent messages.  Is there an easy way to

>> navigate this Web Site?  I find

it extremely frustrating and a great



consumer of wasted time.  Any help would be

appreciated.  Thanks in

>>

advance.--Matthew Chao

>>
>> P.S.  the alt-number keys

don't seem to work.

>>
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Re: Navigating Facebook, a Frustrating Experience

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I can definitely agree with that.



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-Original Message- 
From: Jed Barton via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 9:25 PM
To: Smith, Veronica ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Navigating Facebook, a Frustrating Experience

i won't use anything but fb mobile, it's super easy.  No need to get
frustrated with the regular sight

On 1/25/2016 4:04 PM, Smith, Veronica via Talk wrote:
Sign into FB Mobile.  It is so easy, you'll wonder why you didn't go there 
first.


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+veronica.smith=aps@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 9:08 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Navigating Facebook, a Frustrating Experience

Hi, Folks.  Have been up on Facebook trying to take care of things. Am
having trouble reading the messages I want to read and sending out new
ones.  Also, tough finding recent messages.  Is there an easy way to
navigate this Web Site?  I find it extremely frustrating and a great
consumer of wasted time.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks in
advance.--Matthew Chao

P.S.  the alt-number keys don't seem to work.

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Re: Windows 10 start menu

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Not that I know of. As far as I know they're all subscription-based.



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-Original Message- 
From: Helen Murphy via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: Simon Cavendish ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

HI SIMON DO YOU KNOW OF A ANTI VIRUS WHERE I CAN PAY ONCE AND HAVE IT FOR 
EVER ? WHAT IS THE ADDRESS NAM PHONE NUMBER SO I CAN KEEP IT FOR FUTURE 
REFRENCE THANK YOU HELEN M MURPHY


   On Monday, January 18, 2016 10:37 PM, Simon Cavendish via Talk 
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Hi Tony,

I entirely agree with you: I'm struggling with it myself.

As for "selected/unselected", I understand that as you arrow up and down, 
although you can hear items in the menu being spoken, they are not 
automatically selected as it would have been before.  You need to press 
enter on an item to select it and only then do you have choices to tab 
along.  So select an item in the menu, press enter, and now as you press 
tab, you will see the sub-items of the item you have selected.


I am still very shaky in the start menu and would appreciate some tips as 
well.


Simon
On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk  
wrote:


Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win xp 
and stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of the 
start menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to navigate the 
damn ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how tonavigate the start 
menu and what the heck “selected and unselected” items in the menus... 
Crap. LOL Any help will be great...Tony C

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Re: preferred anti-virus programs for win 10

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

True. I myself would happily pay for better security. Unfortunately the lack 
of funds prevents this.




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-Original Message- 
From: Elizabeth via Talk

Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 1:10 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: preferred anti-virus programs for win 10

Fortunately, one of the most highly-praised Security products is Eset
Security Suite. Eset Security Suite and their other product NOD32 are
both accessible. Version 8 of Eset Security Suite has been accessible
for years, once you make a few necessary changes such as disabling
the graphical user interface.
Eset products cost money. So that may prove a barrier to some folks.

At 02:34 PM 1/16/2016, you wrote:

I understand the need for security, but the need for accessibility is
equally important. If the software offers the most security but is only
accessible by sighted users, and we don't have any sighted assistance, how
good really is that software for us? If we can't work it, we may be locked
out of our computers for various reasons with no sighted assistance. So
really accessibility and security should go hand in hand. The most secure
software needs to be also made accessible.


-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 1:28 PM
To: matthew dyer; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Karyn Campbell
Subject: Re: preferred anti-virus programs for win 10

Is it fair to suspect that the most accessible software may not be the
best?  I guess I'd rather sacrifice accessibility in favor of security.

On 1/16/2016 10:39 AM, matthew dyer via Talk wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Take a look at viper internet security.  I have been using it under
windows ten for a few months with no problems over here.  HTH.
>
> Matthew
>
>
>> On Jan 15, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Karyn Campbell via Talk
 wrote:
>>
>> Avoid Web root security Anywhere at all coss. It will mess up WE 9.3 
>> big

>> time and it's extremely difficult to remove. My husband will be having
that
>> argument soon. on two machines.
>>
>> Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com and likely Viper
>> Antivirus on both machines.
>> Using WE   9.3 on HP Pavilion running Windows 8.1 with Office 2013 and
I.E.
>> 11 as well as Assuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with Office
2013
>> and I.E. 11 as default browser and Viper Antivirus on boht machines.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: preferred anti-virus programs for win 10

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

All too true. Some of us live alone with no or at least very little access 
to sighted assistance.




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-Original Message- 
From: Andre via Talk

Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 12:34 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: preferred anti-virus programs for win 10

I understand the need for security, but the need for accessibility is
equally important. If the software offers the most security but is only
accessible by sighted users, and we don't have any sighted assistance, how
good really is that software for us? If we can't work it, we may be locked
out of our computers for various reasons with no sighted assistance. So
really accessibility and security should go hand in hand. The most secure
software needs to be also made accessible.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 1:28 PM
To: matthew dyer; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Karyn Campbell
Subject: Re: preferred anti-virus programs for win 10

Is it fair to suspect that the most accessible software may not be the
best?  I guess I'd rather sacrifice accessibility in favor of security.

On 1/16/2016 10:39 AM, matthew dyer via Talk wrote:

Hi,

Take a look at viper internet security.  I have been using it under

windows ten for a few months with no problems over here.  HTH.


Matthew



On Jan 15, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Karyn Campbell via Talk

 wrote:


Avoid Web root security Anywhere at all coss. It will mess up WE 9.3 big
time and it's extremely difficult to remove. My husband will be having

that

argument soon. on two machines.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com and likely Viper
Antivirus on both machines.
Using WE   9.3 on HP Pavilion running Windows 8.1 with Office 2013 and

I.E.

11 as well as Assuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with Office

2013

and I.E. 11 as default browser and Viper Antivirus on boht machines.




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Re: Some confusion about the upgrade cost.

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

It's 8.4.



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-Original Message- 
From: Chris Grabowski

Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:40 AM
To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Some confusion about the upgrade cost.

What version of Window-eyes do you have?


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Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 7:36 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Some confusion about the upgrade cost.

Hi,
 I recently called AISquared to find out the exact cost of upgradig my copy 
of WE as well as buying a new SMA. I was told that I’d have to upgrade first 
before I ca buy a new SMA and that the cost of upgrading was 175 dollars. 
But when I looked on the upgrade web site I was told the cost was 224 
dollars. Needless to say I’m a little confused. Is it 175 or 224?

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Re: Some confusion about the upgrade cost.

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

That's the thing though. I'm guessing my SMA is no longer active. Or would 
it be reactivated if I purchased them both at the same time?




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-Original Message- 
From: Marc Solomon via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 6:03 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Some confusion about the upgrade cost.

The price you were quoted over the phone is accurate. The website doesn't 
take into consideration the fact that the $49 upgrade from 9.1 to 9.2 can be 
obtained at no charge if you own an active SMA.

Regards,
Marc

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Hi,
  I recently called AISquared to find out the exact cost of upgradig my 
copy of WE as well as buying a new SMA. I was told that I’d have to 
upgrade first before I ca buy a new SMA and that the cost of upgrading was 
175 dollars. But when I looked on the upgrade web site I was told the cost 
was 224 dollars. Needless to say I’m a little confused. Is it 175 or 224?

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Some confusion about the upgrade cost.

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Hi,
  I recently called AISquared to find out the exact cost of upgradig my copy of 
WE as well as buying a new SMA. I was told that I’d have to upgrade first 
before I ca buy a new SMA and that the cost of upgrading was 175 dollars. But 
when I looked on the upgrade web site I was told the cost was 224 dollars. 
Needless to say I’m a little confused. Is it 175 or 224?
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Re: Webbisum

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Well seeing as Firefox doesn't allow unsigned add-ons anymore I personally 
wouldn't bother.




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-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 6:23 AM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Webbisum

Hi,
I went to the webbisum site and filled out a form to get an invitation.
I haven’t heard from them as yet, and it has been several days.

Does anyone monitor that site?

Pastor Gil
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Re: Webbisum

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That would be because youleft out te V. It's www.webvisum.com



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-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 6:51 AM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Webbisum

Hi,
Have another webbisum problem.
I can’t seem to get to their web site anymore.
I tried www.webbisum.com and www.webbisum.org and get no results.

Pastor Gil
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Re: Webvisum

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Glad to know I'm not the only one.



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-Original Message- 
From: Reg Webb via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 4:31 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Webvisum

Out of interest, has anyone else found that Mozilla disables Webvisum in
its latest version?
I've contacted Webvisum asking if they can fix the problem, but nothing
back yet.

--
Reg


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Re: two things that are happening with the new version WE 9.3

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Except that the Window-Eyes sound is bigger for lack of a better term. LOL.


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-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 9:38 PM
To: cr19951...@inbox.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: two things that are happening with the new version WE 9.3

Hi

I suspect you're probably upgrading from a much earlier version of
Window-eyes?  the assending piano sound has been around for awhile now,
so that's probably what that is. these aren't beeps, this is an
assending chord, to indicate that window-eyes is starting. there's also
a decending one that plays when Window-eyes shuts down.  It's very much
like the one heard when NVDA starts and shuts down too.  Other than
that, I have no ideas why it might be acting the way it is.



On 12/17/2015 11:25 PM, crw via Talk wrote:
Hello I did install the new upgrade yesterday. I have noticed when I 
restart the computer  and when the computer starts up I get three beeps: 
one hi, middle, then low in that order that happens when Window Eyes 9.3 
starts up why is this happening? Also when I go in the WE control panel 
for example when I expand the screen section of window eyes under voices 
it reads the first dialog, then when I tab around it does not read the 
area where it says pitch, then after it says 3. It just reads 3 and I do 
have everything set correctly so that it would read everything and went in 
to the verbosity settings under menu and checked whatever settings I 
wanted to be set was set. In order to make sure I did not miss anything 
that window eyes was not reading out I had to load NVDA to make sure I was 
on the correct area of the screen. Has anyone experienced this? I also did 
merge all of my new set files with the old ones. Any help would be 
wonderful. Thank you.



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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Introducing Window-eyes 9.3

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LOL same thing happened back in '99 with Phantom Menace.



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-Original Message- 
From: Baracco, Andrew W via Talk

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 9:23 AM
To: Kevin Barry ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Introducing Window-eyes 9.3

I guess there are some who just have to be first. It's kind of like the
folks that have  been camping out at the movie theatres to be the first
to see the new Star Wars movie, even though the movie will be there the
next day and the day after that and the day after that and it is the
same movie that those folks who camped out saw.

Andy


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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+andrew.baracco=va@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 4:06 PM
To: Michael Massey; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Introducing Window-eyes 9.3

something similar happens on every single update and has for nearly 20
years. I guess it's too much to suppose that people might figure this
out and exercise just a little patience.

On Thursday, December 17, 2015, Michael Massey via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Hi.  I must say that trying to download the Window-eyes 9.3 has been
an exercise in patience.  Of course, the day's not over yet.  After
each attempt to download the upgrade has failed due to the servers
being jammed, I have shouted choice words which I will not put into
this e-mail.  Use your imagination folks  I have yet to miss
installing a Window-eyes upgrade on the day of release.  Have patience



folks.  .



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Re: 9.3 refuses to install over 9.2

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Hmmm, this is certainly not encouraging. Almost makes me glad I can't get 
the upgrade just now due to a lack of SMA's.




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-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:33 AM
To: A I Squared Support List
Subject: 9.3 refuses to install over 9.2

Add my name to the list of those who can not install 9.3 over 9.2.

If I choose either choice when it is asking about Braille support, I am
told that this update can not be installed over 9.2.

A I Squared Tech Support, do you have a solution for this?

Dave


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Re: Edit boxes in IE and Firefox

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I for one have tried that and it doesn't usually work.



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-Original Message- 
From: Neville via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 7:33 PM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Edit boxes in IE and Firefox

Hi,
When the editbox  won't read, and this has been happening for quite some
time,  try refreshing the screen with either F5 or the insert back slash
conbination.
HTH
Neville.


On 25/10/2015 4:40 AM, via Talk wrote:

Every once in a while this happens, so I restart WE.  Not ideal, but a
lot better than nothing.

Reg Webb via Talk  wrote:


I may have missed earlier discussion, but does anyone suddenly find that
an edit box in IE or Firefox suddenly won't read unless you restart W-E?
Is there a fix?  Windows7 and W-E9.2


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Re: Edit boxes in IE and Firefox

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I do the same thing.



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-Original Message- 
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Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 12:40 PM
To: Reg Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Edit boxes in IE and Firefox

Every once in a while this happens, so I restart WE.  Not ideal, but a
lot better than nothing.

Reg Webb via Talk  wrote:


I may have missed earlier discussion, but does anyone suddenly find that
an edit box in IE or Firefox suddenly won't read unless you restart W-E?
Is there a fix?  Windows7 and W-E9.2


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Re: Red Hot News from Ai Squared!

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

It's not should of.



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-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 2:32 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Red Hot News from Ai Squared!

if they were really monitoring this list they would of stopped all of this
after the first posting.
i know with the first message that this was spam and aisquared should of
stopped this then and there. and not let this continue.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:06 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: FW: Red Hot News from Ai Squared!

Hi Scott,

Well, AI Squared monitors this list very closely.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Scott VanDeWalle [mailto:chatterbox052...@gmail.com]
Sent: October 20, 2015 3:02 PM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Red Hot News from Ai Squared!

Hey yall, Just a thought.
Has anyone called the ai squared office to see if this is even real and
by them?
I bet you a dollar that it is just someone trying to infect people
again, like with the gw toolkit thing earlier this year.
Just a thought.
Scott
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Re: Red Hot News from Ai Squared!

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Jeremy Curry did confirm it was legit.



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-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 2:32 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Red Hot News from Ai Squared!

if the first steve was not the original poster loy was.
steve was only trying to extract the text from that spam mail and from the 
text

he extracted from the garbage that was in the first message it did not come
from aisquared.
so everyone take a chill pill and stop  all this useless flameing when it 
did

not come from aisquared.
this was probibly sent by a virus that some one on the list got without 
there

knowlege.

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 11:53 AM
To: 'Stephen Clark' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Red Hot News from Ai Squared!

Stephen,

Nice try, but your attempt at sabotage is not only obvious, but useless, 
since
the wide majority of list members are loyal to their beloved Window-Eyes, 
and

I'm included.
Please direct your energies elsewhere.

Sincerely,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: October 20, 2015 1:43 PM
To: David ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Red Hot News from Ai Squared!

Actually, It was binary not text. I ran it through a binary editor, and
had it try to extract any text it could find out of it and it found some
text which said, we really don't care about all the problems with our
screen reader at this point were way over are heads and there may never
even be another Window-eyes version.
On 10/19/2015 7:56 PM, David via Talk wrote:

Only thing I don't get, is why you would like to put any kind of
teaser out like this. Seems your screen reader needs more attention,
and things need a brush. Then to flush the market with a ton of
teasers, "look what we may bring soon", "Just wait till next year",
and so forth, seems no less than frustrating.

besides, If this was meant to be a non-textual teaser, with only some
kind of iconic or even grapical appearance, why post it to a list that
mainly is trafficated by more or less blind people. Instead of
teasing, all you accomplished was to frustrate. Honestly, that is no
beneficial business approach.

I do second the request, that you please keep this list freed from any
more of such stuff. We have enough complaints about people posting
Off-Topic matters here, let alone that we now have to deal with even
the list-managers themselves putting out mails that are nothing but
useless. You know, that is actually another version of what in the
computer world is named SPAM. Unwanted, non-requested and often
useless emails that float into your mailbox. If the owners of this
list find there is a bit too little traffic on the list, why not put
out something readable, informative, and REAL. Stop all that "Stay
tuned and we may happen to show you what we can do" stuff. Get back to
your customers, when you have things ready, and when you are willing
to share it in a manner that your customers actually know to read.
You, AISquared if any, should know what your screen reader can
perform. You would have absolutely no excuse for throwing out mails
like this, then telling the market "oh, sorry, we did not make it
accessible". Please, abstain from any more of this stuff.

Among others, I did let the synth chatter away, for a minute or two,
trying to figure what it all was about. I immediately recognized it as
html-code, but sometimes you can figure a thing or two, from the few
pieces of text in between the code. This time, a clear waiste of time,
and afterwards, a long line of complaints. And when you come back with
further info on the matter, I really still am scratching my hair off,
to figure what it all was about, or meant to say. Your explanation,
Jeremy, simply gave NO meaning whatsoever. What was the whole message
trying to convey? That you had too much leasure time at work, or is it
possible we are to take this teaser seriously, and hope for an
anouncement in the near future about some exciting news from the
screen reader front? If the latter, why did you not just tell us so,
in plain readable text? even when you were to explain the flaw? Just
wondering.

Time to get back to what this list - the way I understand it - is
purposed for. Anyone else have some meaningful questions on how to
operate the screen reader?


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Re: Red Hot News from Ai Squared!

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Me neither. Just a bunch of formatting gibberish.



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-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 1:39 PM
To: 'Loy' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Red Hot News from Ai Squared!

Sorry, but I can't read what it says properly.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Loy via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 11:58 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Red Hot News from Ai Squared!

 Red Hot News from Ai Squared! p{ margin:10px 0; padding:0; } table{ 
border-collapse:collapse; } h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6{ display:block; margin:0; 
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Re: Why does Window-Eyes just stop talking?

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Me neither.



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-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 7:44 PM
To: Linda Mentink ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Why does Window-Eyes just stop talking?

I never found that I could make that work, once window eyes shut up.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Linda Mentink via Talk

Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 5:15 PM
To: Whizza ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Why does Window-Eyes just stop talking?

Just a suggestion: if you know the keystrokes to shut down your
computer, just do them without Window-Eyes if it stops talking.
That's nicer to your computer than pressing and holding the power
button to force a shut-down.

Blessings,

Linda

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Re: Why does Window-Eyes just stop talking?

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Precisely. After all one can't fix a problem if one doesn't know precisely 
what causes it. It doesn't help that there are probably as many possible 
causes as there are WE users.




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-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 11:20 PM
To: Singing Sparrow ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Why does Window-Eyes just stop talking?

How do you know there's no reason these problems can't be fixxed, when
you don't know what the problems are?

On 9/14/2015 1:13 AM, Singing Sparrow via Talk wrote:
really aisquared should really fix these problems, there is no real reason 
that the problems could not be fixed, it sounds like they just don't want 
to do this.



On 9/13/2015 10:42 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Veronica Smith asks:

Unfortunately, WE just goes out to lunch while I am in a word doc as 
well.

It truly frustrates me.


Dear Veronica,

It frustrates a whole lot of us Window-Eyes users. And it has frustrated 
us for a very long time.


Some how GW Micro can't seem to correct the problem. At least now we can 
easily get the voice back by typing ctrl alt W.


-Bob Ringwald


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Re: google crome - Chrome faster than firefox and it iscompatiblewith WE9.2!

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Or perhaps a version of Addblock Plus so I can watch videos on YouTube 
without having to sit through or skip adds? Right now I use Firefox for all 
my YouTube viewing specifically because of this plugin.




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-Original Message- 
From: joseph weakland via Talk

Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 8:24 AM
To: sthomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: google crome - Chrome faster than firefox and it 
iscompatiblewith WE9.2!


ok for all chrome users is there a captia solving pluging like firefox has?

- Original Message - 
From: "sthomas via Talk" 

To: "Chris Grabowski" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion
List" 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: google crome - Chrome faster than firefox and it is
compatiblewith WE9.2!



Hi all.
I just downloaded chrome and it works with what i need it for it looks 
like.
Now I'm going to uninstall firefox because I have not used it since i got 
that annoying buzzor sound the other day and a warning to call a phone 
number, which, i didn't do btw.
But the short story is ff is becoming a big pain in the rear end to me 
lately.
I may even switch to windows live mail, from thunderbird, but not sure 
about that one yet.



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Re: google crome - Chrome faster than firefox and it iscompatible with WE9.2!

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Apparently it has.



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-Original Message- 
From: Elizabeth via Talk

Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:50 AM
To: Casey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: google crome - Chrome faster than firefox and it iscompatible 
with WE9.2!


Once upon a time, when Chrome first came out, I thought it came with
its own speech package and could not run with NVDA, JAWS, Window-eyes
and so forth. Has this changed?

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Re: WE 9.2 and IE 11

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Wow! I never knew about that keystroke for quickly starting task manager.



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-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 4:49 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WE 9.2 and IE 11

if you know which program it is open the task manager with shift control 
escape

and end task on the program then you won't have to reboot every time.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 3:04 PM
To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WE 9.2 and IE 11

I might add to this that for me, I am not able to start narrator or any
other program to help. Even if I am successful in getting Window-Eyes back,
the other offending program may remain stuck or otherwise not work properly.
Often, I must hit the power button for a reboot.

-Original Message- 
From: Curtis Delzer via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 3:32 PM
To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WE 9.2 and IE 11

that is the issue, again and again, when a program has stopped working,
Window-eyes also "stops" working when the computer is still working!
THAT is the issue, though IE or any other program stops, Window-eyes has
to be hearty enough or however or whatever it takes in resources, to
make us competitive with other screen observers that say "X, program has
stopped working . . ." Then, we can properly interact.
Issues with that program stealing focus away have to be dealt with as
well since if we are writing a message, or a book, or . . . and X
program crashes, the issues where Window-eyes becomes unable to talk are
like "we're going blind again" without any access at all.
--
Curtis Delzer 

On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 22:58:57 -0400
Loy via Talk  wrote:

I am one that is not having the problem to the extent that some are. I 
have some sight and some times when this happens there is a message that 
IE has stopped working, so it may not be just a WE problem. I wonder if 
JAWS or NVDA users are having any  of these problems? I am sure that 
AISquared is working hard to find a solution.

- Original Message - From: "via Talk" 
To: "Don H" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 


Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: WE 9.2 and IE 11


> If you call their Tech Support, they won't say that 9.1 or 9.2 has been
> a Step backwards, but what they do not say, often tells the story they
> can not say over the phone.  After all, management might be listening,
> and heaven forbid someone tell the truth about a product.
>
> Although, I am still wondering what the differences are between those
> systems that are said to run 9.2 without a stitch of problems, and the
> systems those of us who can barely get a session on the Web finished
> without speech dropping out, or the system freezing up.
>
> I asked this question to those who had those systems that were having no
> issues, but did not get a single reply.  So I'll ask my question to
> those of us who are having major issues with 9.X.
>
> To those who are finding 9.2, or 9.1 locking up, or Speech Dropping out,
> or requiring a restart of WE, or a hard Re Boot, does your computer have
> a Dedicated Sound card in the system?
>
> Meaning, the Sound chips you are using, are on a Card that is plugged
> into the Mother Board, rather than are built into the Mother board from
> the Mother board manufacturer.
>
>
> This system I use, has no dedecated Sound card, but is using the built
> in Graphics as well as the built in Sound features that were part of the
> Mother board.
>
> How about the rest of you, if you can write an Email without having the
> system freeze.
>
>
>
> -- > Dave 
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Re: WE 9.2 and IE 11

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I've found that in most cases I'm able to start NVDA which at least enables 
me to start Task Manager and close the nonresponsive program. Of course this 
in no way makes the problem any less annoying. I find I usually have to do 
this with YouTube, which I usually use with Firefox because of Addblock 
Plus.




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-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 4:04 PM
To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WE 9.2 and IE 11

I might add to this that for me, I am not able to start narrator or any
other program to help. Even if I am successful in getting Window-Eyes back,
the other offending program may remain stuck or otherwise not work properly.
Often, I must hit the power button for a reboot.

-Original Message- 
From: Curtis Delzer via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 3:32 PM
To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WE 9.2 and IE 11

that is the issue, again and again, when a program has stopped working,
Window-eyes also "stops" working when the computer is still working!
THAT is the issue, though IE or any other program stops, Window-eyes has
to be hearty enough or however or whatever it takes in resources, to
make us competitive with other screen observers that say "X, program has
stopped working . . ." Then, we can properly interact.
Issues with that program stealing focus away have to be dealt with as
well since if we are writing a message, or a book, or . . . and X
program crashes, the issues where Window-eyes becomes unable to talk are
like "we're going blind again" without any access at all.
--
Curtis Delzer 

On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 22:58:57 -0400
Loy via Talk  wrote:

I am one that is not having the problem to the extent that some are. I 
have some sight and some times when this happens there is a message that 
IE has stopped working, so it may not be just a WE problem. I wonder if 
JAWS or NVDA users are having any  of these problems? I am sure that 
AISquared is working hard to find a solution.

- Original Message - From: "via Talk" 
To: "Don H" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 


Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: WE 9.2 and IE 11


> If you call their Tech Support, they won't say that 9.1 or 9.2 has been
> a Step backwards, but what they do not say, often tells the story they
> can not say over the phone.  After all, management might be listening,
> and heaven forbid someone tell the truth about a product.
>
> Although, I am still wondering what the differences are between those
> systems that are said to run 9.2 without a stitch of problems, and the
> systems those of us who can barely get a session on the Web finished
> without speech dropping out, or the system freezing up.
>
> I asked this question to those who had those systems that were having no
> issues, but did not get a single reply.  So I'll ask my question to
> those of us who are having major issues with 9.X.
>
> To those who are finding 9.2, or 9.1 locking up, or Speech Dropping out,
> or requiring a restart of WE, or a hard Re Boot, does your computer have
> a Dedicated Sound card in the system?
>
> Meaning, the Sound chips you are using, are on a Card that is plugged
> into the Mother Board, rather than are built into the Mother board from
> the Mother board manufacturer.
>
>
> This system I use, has no dedecated Sound card, but is using the built
> in Graphics as well as the built in Sound features that were part of the
> Mother board.
>
> How about the rest of you, if you can write an Email without having the
> system freeze.
>
>
>
> -- > Dave 
>
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Re: Constantly speaking URLs?

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Where do you go to do that? I forget.



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-Original Message- 
From: michael's emails

Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 12:11 AM
To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Constantly speaking URLs?

I find if you turn tool tips off you will not hear that.
But then you miss out on other notifications like telling you if your touch
pad has ben disabled.
Cheers Michael.
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From: Bryan Peterson via Talk

Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 3:48 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Constantly speaking URLs?

I'm using IE9 on Windows Vista 32-bit home edition.



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-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 8:53 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Constantly speaking URLs?

At work we have IE 11 but are still on WE 8.4. URLs are read frequently with
that combination. The remedy is to upgrade to at least WE 9.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
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-Original Message----- 
From: Bryan Peterson via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 5:26 PM
To: fender...@sbcglobal.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: Constantly speaking URLs?

I'm using Internet Exploder when this happens and it does in a lot of pages,
both tabbing and arrowing.



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-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 11:52 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Constantly speaking URLs?

Tabbing? You're not in browse mode? Is this in all browsers, or one in
particular? Does it happen on all web pages?

I have not heard of this. . Then again, I don't use inconvenient keys
like the tab key either. It's too far away, metaphorically speaking.

Lou N.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 7:57 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Constantly speaking URLs?

I've noticed recently that when browsing web pages WE has begun speaking the
URLs of links as I tab or arrow through them, this in addition to the links
themselves. My question, for I seem to have forgotten the answer, is what
setting I have to change to make it stop and where it can be found. Any help
would be appreciated.
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Re: Constantly speaking URLs?

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I'm using IE9 on Windows Vista 32-bit home edition.



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-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 8:53 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Constantly speaking URLs?

At work we have IE 11 but are still on WE 8.4. URLs are read frequently with
that combination. The remedy is to upgrade to at least WE 9.



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http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Bryan Peterson via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 5:26 PM
To: fender...@sbcglobal.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: Constantly speaking URLs?

I'm using Internet Exploder when this happens and it does in a lot of pages,
both tabbing and arrowing.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 11:52 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Constantly speaking URLs?

Tabbing? You're not in browse mode? Is this in all browsers, or one in
particular? Does it happen on all web pages?

I have not heard of this. . Then again, I don't use inconvenient keys
like the tab key either. It's too far away, metaphorically speaking.

Lou N.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal....@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 7:57 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Constantly speaking URLs?

I've noticed recently that when browsing web pages WE has begun speaking the
URLs of links as I tab or arrow through them, this in addition to the links
themselves. My question, for I seem to have forgotten the answer, is what
setting I have to change to make it stop and where it can be found. Any help
would be appreciated.
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Re: Constantly speaking URLs?

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I'm using Internet Exploder when this happens and it does in a lot of pages, 
both tabbing and arrowing.




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-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 11:52 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Constantly speaking URLs?

Tabbing? You're not in browse mode? Is this in all browsers, or one in
particular? Does it happen on all web pages?

I have not heard of this. . Then again, I don't use inconvenient keys
like the tab key either. It's too far away, metaphorically speaking.

Lou N.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 7:57 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Constantly speaking URLs?

I've noticed recently that when browsing web pages WE has begun speaking the
URLs of links as I tab or arrow through them, this in addition to the links
themselves. My question, for I seem to have forgotten the answer, is what
setting I have to change to make it stop and where it can be found. Any help
would be appreciated.
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Re: WE 9.2 and IE 11

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Glad I'm not the only one who has that problem sometimes.



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-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 8:44 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: WE 9.2 and IE 11

Running IE 11 on Win 7 or 8.1 or win 10 seems to have this same issue.
When going to any random  web site I find myself not on the web page but
up in the header area of IE 11.  Sometimes you can tab your way back
down to the actual web page and sometimes tabbing just circles you
around in the IE header.
Is there any way of preventing this?  This issue has been around for
several WE versions with no improvement in WE 9.2.
Any help would be appreciated other than saying use another browser.
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Constantly speaking URLs?

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I’ve noticed recently that when browsing web pages WE has begun speaking the 
URLs of links as I tab or arrow through them, this in addition to the links 
themselves. My question, for I seem to have forgotten the answer, is what 
setting I have to change to make it stop and where it can be found. Any help 
would be appreciated.
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Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

It was still in an effort to avoid legal repercussions.



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-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston

Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 1:10 PM
To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check

And one might argue that the immaculate conception of VoiceOver was due
to the fact that Apple had/has a large presence in schools. Federal,
state, municipal funding, and the law they invoke was the God of that
birth. there's no law suit in these cases. They're simply banned if they
do not conform.



On 8/13/2015 2:50 PM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote:

One might still argue that it was more a means to avoid lawsuits than
anything else.



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-Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:33 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'net bat'
Subject: RE: Accessibility: A Reality Check

You are apparently unaware of the history at Microsoft!  Yeah, the 
Narrator

program is a dog, so what.  Nevertheless, Microsoft wanted to have
accessible products, as Bill Gates announced at a Microsoft conference 
over

a decade ago. That's why they invited the JAWS and Window-Eyes folks to
participate in development work.

Don't you remember the announcement a year or so ago from GW Micro when
they
unvaled  their joint partnership of screen reader accessibility.

Microsoft has bundled Window-Eyes with Office products and gives them a 
way

free now; what more commitment do all of you expect from Microsoft?

Peter Duran

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:42 PM
To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check

Actually, the only communities that are legally discriminated against the
communities that have people who are disabled. You actually think, that
Microsoft cares about accessibility? Narrator didn't even become anything
usable until Windows 8. It will never be up to the standards of a
Window-Eyes, or even NVDA, because Microsoft absolutely does not want to 
do

anything. Apple on the other hand, has at least implemented a fully
featured
screen reader and, on every device they create or ship, that screen reader
is available. Voiceover far out does anything that Microsoft word called
accessible. It is only because of companies like AI squared, that we even
have an accessible experience on windows.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:11 PM, net bat via Talk

 wrote:


if you think apple , microsoft  and other companies are comitted to

accessibility think again. they caved in because of all the law suits from
blind organisations and presher by the same organisations on the
polatitions
to pass laws to force accessibility on these companies. few are doing this
out of the goodness of there hearts. if they don't comply they could be
forced out of buisness.

which will not happen because the polititions are in the back pocket of

these companies.


-Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:19 AM
To: Talk
Subject: Accessibility: A Reality Check

What's this "second class" citizen nonsense? What's this "poor me"

attitude?

I don't get it!

The basic fact is:  A major release of a product always has problems
because of the sheer complexity of the product.  That's the way it is
so get over it!  It has nothing to do with accessibility or the lack
of.  It has nothing to do with economic status, race, religion, sexual
orientation, or the weather!

No doubt, there are hundreds of things about Windows 10 that are
bugging millions of sighted users at present; get over it; get real; stop

whining!

They will get fixed; just wait for the next release if you are so
unhappy.

Both Apple and Microsoft are committed to accessibility for their
products; it's good business; it's the federal law!  The W3C
Consortium sets accessibility standards worldwide, and the big
companies try to meet them and keep up.  Complexity is the "enemy" not
Apple, Microsoft, Google, and so on.

The problem:  The more folks have, the more they want.  Back when I
was a college student, I relied on the technology at the time, books
recorded on cassettes.  I had to rewind tapes over and over again to
find the stuff I needed to read for class the next day, a laborious
process indeed.  Now, I perform similar tasks, but with an accessible
computer using search commands, and get annoyed when a search takes
more than a few seconds.  Go figure!

Google surveys show that users get frustrated if Google searches take
more than 10 seconds; sighted people whine too when frustrated.

Every time GW Micro releases a major upgrade, this list be

Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

One might still argue that it was more a means to avoid lawsuits than 
anything else.




Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Peter Duran via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:33 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'net bat'
Subject: RE: Accessibility: A Reality Check

You are apparently unaware of the history at Microsoft!  Yeah, the Narrator
program is a dog, so what.  Nevertheless, Microsoft wanted to have
accessible products, as Bill Gates announced at a Microsoft conference over
a decade ago. That's why they invited the JAWS and Window-Eyes folks to
participate in development work.

Don't you remember the announcement a year or so ago from GW Micro when they
unvaled  their joint partnership of screen reader accessibility.

Microsoft has bundled Window-Eyes with Office products and gives them a way
free now; what more commitment do all of you expect from Microsoft?

Peter Duran

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:42 PM
To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check

Actually, the only communities that are legally discriminated against the
communities that have people who are disabled. You actually think, that
Microsoft cares about accessibility? Narrator didn't even become anything
usable until Windows 8. It will never be up to the standards of a
Window-Eyes, or even NVDA, because Microsoft absolutely does not want to do
anything. Apple on the other hand, has at least implemented a fully featured
screen reader and, on every device they create or ship, that screen reader
is available. Voiceover far out does anything that Microsoft word called
accessible. It is only because of companies like AI squared, that we even
have an accessible experience on windows.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:11 PM, net bat via Talk

 wrote:


if you think apple , microsoft  and other companies are comitted to

accessibility think again. they caved in because of all the law suits from
blind organisations and presher by the same organisations on the polatitions
to pass laws to force accessibility on these companies. few are doing this
out of the goodness of there hearts. if they don't comply they could be
forced out of buisness.

which will not happen because the polititions are in the back pocket of

these companies.


-Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:19 AM
To: Talk
Subject: Accessibility: A Reality Check

What's this "second class" citizen nonsense? What's this "poor me"

attitude?

I don't get it!

The basic fact is:  A major release of a product always has problems
because of the sheer complexity of the product.  That's the way it is
so get over it!  It has nothing to do with accessibility or the lack
of.  It has nothing to do with economic status, race, religion, sexual
orientation, or the weather!

No doubt, there are hundreds of things about Windows 10 that are
bugging millions of sighted users at present; get over it; get real; stop

whining!

They will get fixed; just wait for the next release if you are so unhappy.

Both Apple and Microsoft are committed to accessibility for their
products; it's good business; it's the federal law!  The W3C
Consortium sets accessibility standards worldwide, and the big
companies try to meet them and keep up.  Complexity is the "enemy" not
Apple, Microsoft, Google, and so on.

The problem:  The more folks have, the more they want.  Back when I
was a college student, I relied on the technology at the time, books
recorded on cassettes.  I had to rewind tapes over and over again to
find the stuff I needed to read for class the next day, a laborious
process indeed.  Now, I perform similar tasks, but with an accessible
computer using search commands, and get annoyed when a search takes
more than a few seconds.  Go figure!

Google surveys show that users get frustrated if Google searches take
more than 10 seconds; sighted people whine too when frustrated.

Every time GW Micro releases a major upgrade, this list becomes a
"whine list" which makes me need a gin and tonic.  I can't wait for
the fixes to Windows 10; thereafter, amazing accessibility will be
available on a multitude of devices: computers, tablets, smart phones,
and who knows what else.  And the great thing, Microsoft will have a
single user interface across devices so I will need to learn only one
set of commands to work with them all.

Someone on this list just complained about the "ribbon bar" now in
some more Windows apps; well, Microsoft is trying to unify its user
interface and thus simplify the user experience.  Yeah, people don't
like to change; my sighted wife hates Word 2013 because she doesn't
know how to use the ribbon bar, and she refuses to read my tutorial
about it.  That's her problem, not Microso

Re: Mallware Bytes

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

You can't. Tried the same thing myself. You need version 9.



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-Original Message- 
From: Steve Sweeney via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 8:28 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Mallware Bytes

Hi,

Just downloaded the free version.  When I open it all I can read with WE is
the tital.  I have maxamised the window but still can't read anything.  I'm
using 8.4.  Any ideas?

Thx -Steve



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Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Tell me about it. As Master Yoda from Star Wars might say, patience, yes, 
yes. And I've never even used Windows 10 for te simple reason that I can't.I 
still have Windows Vista.




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-Original Message- 
From: Peter Duran via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 3:19 AM
To: Talk
Subject: Accessibility: A Reality Check

What's this "second class" citizen nonsense? What's this "poor me" attitude?
I don't get it!

The basic fact is:  A major release of a product always has problems because
of the sheer complexity of the product.  That's the way it is so get over
it!  It has nothing to do with accessibility or the lack of.  It has nothing
to do with economic status, race, religion, sexual orientation, or the
weather!

No doubt, there are hundreds of things about Windows 10 that are bugging
millions of sighted users at present; get over it; get real; stop whining!
They will get fixed; just wait for the next release if you are so unhappy.

Both Apple and Microsoft are committed to accessibility for their products;
it's good business; it's the federal law!  The W3C Consortium sets
accessibility standards worldwide, and the big companies try to meet them
and keep up.  Complexity is the "enemy" not Apple, Microsoft, Google, and so
on.

The problem:  The more folks have, the more they want.  Back when I was a
college student, I relied on the technology at the time, books recorded on
cassettes.  I had to rewind tapes over and over again to find the stuff I
needed to read for class the next day, a laborious process indeed.  Now, I
perform similar tasks, but with an accessible computer using search
commands, and get annoyed when a search takes more than a few seconds.  Go
figure!

Google surveys show that users get frustrated if Google searches take more
than 10 seconds; sighted people whine too when frustrated.

Every time GW Micro releases a major upgrade, this list becomes a "whine
list" which makes me need a gin and tonic.  I can't wait for the fixes to
Windows 10; thereafter, amazing accessibility will be available on a
multitude of devices: computers, tablets, smart phones, and who knows what
else.  And the great thing, Microsoft will have a single user interface
across devices so I will need to learn only one set of commands to work with
them all.

Someone on this list just complained about the "ribbon bar" now in some more
Windows apps; well, Microsoft is trying to unify its user interface and thus
simplify the user experience.  Yeah, people don't like to change; my sighted
wife hates Word 2013 because she doesn't know how to use the ribbon bar, and
she refuses to read my tutorial about it.  That's her problem, not
Microsoft's!

Peter Duran

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Re: Microsoft and accessibility

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Which is why I'm thankful my folks raised me to believe no one owes me 
anything.




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-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 1:37 AM
To: tchild ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Microsoft and accessibility

As others have said (sort of) you can complain about the lack of ability
for each of us to flex our muscles.  That would be fine if we had
economic power.  The reality is we don't, and we won't! Perhaps if we
were larger in numbers, we might.  But no one owes us anything, and the
sooner each of us accepts that, the sooner each of us can continue
trying to improve our lives.

On 8/12/2015 2:42 PM, tchild via Talk wrote:

Hi,
I’m a bit dismayed and also  wondering about the “back steps” 
accessibility has seemed to take. Where are all the organizations, and 
people we as blind and dissabled people have put our “faith” in to make 
sure that we can at least access some of the stuff via networks. In this 
day and age for Microsoft not only to roll out a new version of windows 
that is less accessible than previous versions, but an all new browser 
that is totally in-accessible with a screen reader. We hear the same old 
song and dance everytime we have to settle for less than our sighted 
peers. Maybe it’s time blind and Vi quit “blindly” following the Acb’s and 
the NFB’s and band together for one cause. We’ve kinda been like the north 
against the south, Democrats against Republicans. I’m afraid that untill 
we are all or “one mind” we will continue to have to settle for being 
“second class” citizens...

Just saying. Tony
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Re: SAD NEWS FOR AUDIO GAMING COMMUNITY

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Yes he was a great guy, and funny as heck to boot.



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-Original Message- 
From: Scott via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 2:22 PM
To: Josh K ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: SAD NEWS FOR AUDIO GAMING COMMUNITY

Yes i just saw this too.
I enjoyed his games and he was a good guy what I knew of him via email.
And my prayers will be with his family during this time.

Scott

On 8/7/2015 3:46 PM, Josh K via Talk wrote:
Hi all gamers. It is with a heavy heart to announce the passing of Mr Jim 
Kitchen who died on Sunday 2 August. This information I got from a 
credible source, the Gamers mailing list at Audyssey.org. Many of you know 
of him as a blind game developer who released many games for the Windows 
platform, all at no charge and for both DOS and Windows. My thoughts go 
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Re: you will upgrade!!lol

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I would say circumstances more than Microsoft will impell people to upgrade 
as time goes by. Older operating systems are only supported for so long 
after all, after which they become security risks.




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-Original Message- 
From: Sunshine via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 1:09 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Chris
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

So what you are saying is no matter if a person wanted to stay with
windows 7 microsfoft will force everyone to upgrade to windows 10 then
is this correct? can this be confirmed?

On 8/3/2015 1:45 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there!
I did about the same thing, I went from DOS to WIN98 to Win XP to Win 
7. As Soon as I can, I will be going to Win 10.  I did workn on several 
systems with Vista and a couple with 3.1+.  I am looking forward to 
upgrading to Win 10.  Just my 2 sence worth for whatever that my be worth 
these days!

Thanks & 73 de
 eMail:

On 03-Aug-15 14:22, Chris via Talk wrote:

Lol yes, especially if you are dealing with PCs running the upgrade.

On 03/08/2015 14:17, tchild via Talk wrote:
Hello guys, I guess sooner of later we will all be forced to upgraded 
again and again. I was lucky enough to skip some of the crap w
that was forced on us.lol Like Vista, I managed to skip from XP to win 7 
and only had to deal with vista a few times on other peoples pc’s. 
LOL

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Re: I don't have to sign into Windows 10 to use Cortana, thanks Chris.

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

It's actually spelled S I R I, but yeah from what I hear Cortana is 
basically the same sort of idea.




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-Original Message- 
From: Michael Massey via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 6:42 AM
To: 'Vince' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: I don't have to sign into Windows 10 to use Cortana, thanks 
Chris.


Vince.  Cortana is a feature in Windows 10 similar to the voice assistant
called Seri used on Apple devices such as I-phones.  You will need a headset
microphone, or if you have a laptop with a built-in hands free microphone,
you would be able to use Cortana.  As an example, you could ask Cortana what
the weather conditions are in your area.  Or, as some list members have
stated, Cortana can tell jokes.  Having said all of this, I am still waiting
for my upgrade notification from Microsoft, so I don't yet have Cortana,
smile.  If I misspelled the Apple I-phone voice assistant's name, I
certainly didn't mean to.

Mike M

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+massey52=q@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vince via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 5:43 AM
To: 'Kevin Minor' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: I don't have to sign into Windows 10 to use Cortana, thanks
Chris.

What is Cortana? And what does it do?

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vince=sealakeyachts@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin Minor via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 6:11 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: I don't have to sign into Windows 10 to use Cortana, thanks Chris.

Hi all.



I want to thank Chris for the instructions to get rid of the Windows
password.  I now can have Windows 10 boot directly to the desktop.  It takes
a while to get there, but eventually it does.  Cortana works great!



Just for your information, and thanks again, Chris.



Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

LOL I remember those big floppy disks. Allthe wa from the Apple 2E up util 
about Windows 95 or so, or maybe that was 3.1.




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-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:17 AM
To: Thomas N. Chan ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

I started out with artic vision, and for a short time, I had a computer that
I was supposed to get if I got a job that had vocal eyes on it.  But I was
so used to the Artic that I didn't like the vocal eyes.  Yes, diskettes, the
five inch soft ones and the 3.5-inch ones.  Somewhere, I still have them!
Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Thomas N. Chan via Talk

Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 4:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: A new feature in Internet Explorer

I also started during the 90s when vocal-eyes was the king of dos,
wordperfect let's see, are we talking about diskettes here? lol
This is really back from the past



regards
Thomas N. Chan
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, 2 August 2015 8:12 AM
To: gary melconian; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

You might want to check your timeline. 25 years ago I was using GW
Micro's VocalEyes on DOS and there was no such thing as Windows.

Sheesh! Now I suddenly feel old. Thanks a bunch. (grin)

Tom


On 8/1/2015 7:40 PM, gary melconian via Talk wrote:

Sure we will. I appreciate the products that I have used from GW over the
past 25 years of using windows eyes from 4.0 all the way up to 9.2.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2015 12:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: A new feature in Internet Explorer


Here is a feature that they've added to Internet explorer which is turned

on

by default called "Do not track".

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/internet-explorer/ie-do-not-track

It's not perfect, but they are actually trying to improve the security of
Windows not make it worse.

Now, can we please get back to talking about Window-eyes?

==Steve
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Re: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Definitely a good point.



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-Original Message- 
From: Keith Hinton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 2:17 AM
To: Chris ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

Well said Chris mate! Way to go, buddy!

On 8/1/15, Chris via Talk  wrote:

My response? If you are so concerned with privacy, switch everything off
including your internet, computers and devices and so on.

On 01/08/2015 00:34, tchild via Talk wrote:

Big Brother is watching!!! Is USA the new commies on the block?

-Original Message- From: Sunshine via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 5:38 PM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

are you willing to give up your privacy for windows 10?
http://betanews.com/2015/07/31/the-real-price-of-windows-10-is-your-privacy/


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Re: SMA or free version

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I'm pretty sure you don't need more than one SMA even if you have multiple 
machines.




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-Original Message- 
From: John Chilelli via Talk

Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 10:47 AM
To: 'Chip Orange' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: SMA or free version

So Chip and all,

Right now I still have one SMA, so I need to determine what's better to do
now and in the future: Keep in mind that I have at least two computers to
upgrade.

Should I get the 365 version of the latest Office for all of my computers
and loose my GW support, Or dflip the bill for a couple of copies of Office
and keep my GW support, - which when this current SMA is use up, will then
again cost me more out of pocket for a couple of new SMA contracts.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jac=neo.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chip Orange via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 11:58 AM
To: 'Pamela Dominguez'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: SMA or free version

No Gary is just plain incorrect there ... no machine I've ever found comes
with a full working copy of Office; it's always a limitted demo (how would
MS survive giving it's flagship product away for free?).

I suppose there are retailers who will include it in their bundled price,
but if you do some price comparisons you'll see they're charging you for it.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 12:02 AM
To: gary melconian; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: SMA or free version

Sorry, that's not necessarily so.  I didn't have any form of office on my
computer when I bought it from Dell.  I figured I might try outlook, so I
called them and asked them to send me office.  When I got it, it turns out
that they sold me a student edition, with no outlook in it.  But I didn't
know there was no office in this computer until I went to view some of my
documents that were on the old hard drive that I got the guy to put in from
the old computer.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: gary melconian via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:45 PM
To: dlh...@centurylink.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'john s'
Subject: RE: SMA or free version

I don't think so they cut off the folks who wer on the payment plan  for the
free version to cut those costs . thats how I see it. I know a few friends
of mine who wer in this situation. So I don't think that the office approach
is a wrong thing.it gives folks the opportunity to own both what's wrong
about that one. If you're a payin customer of fs and you want to try out gw
you have that  choice wwithout having to invest in the full copy.  Almost
every machine now a days comes with some version of office, so that excuse
that you don't have office does not fly.

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Re: does eloquence come with wineyes for office

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

You have to buy it.



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-Original Message- 
From: Butch K via Talk

Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 5:41 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: does eloquence come with wineyes for office

Hello, does the eloquence synthesizer come free with wineyes for office, or 
do you have to buy eloquence separatly? thanks.


Butch

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Re: WINDOW-EYES 9.2

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

It says it's 175 for me whenI check the price on the web site. Then again I 
am running 8.4 so perhaps that has something to do with it.




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-Original Message- 
From: Loy via Talk

Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 6:34 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WINDOW-EYES 9.2

This  is the upgrade price if you already own a current version of WE and
don't have a SMA.
- Original Message - 
From: "Darrell Bowles via Talk" 

To: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" ; "Window-Eyes
DiscussionList" 
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: WINDOW-EYES 9.2



So I can get a full copy of Window-Eyes for $49?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:56 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk 
 wrote:


$49 is all?  Wow!  That is not! half bad!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Chris Grabowski via Talk" 

To: ; "Window-EyesDiscussion List" 


Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:58 AM
Subject: RE: WINDOW-EYES 9.2


If you do not have an active SMA the cost is $49.  If you do have an SMA 
the upgrade is free and does not count against your SMA.


Chris

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:00 AM
To: 'Don H' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 


Subject: WINDOW-EYES 9.2

Hello Everyone:

I'm behind on mail.  Could someone please advice:  Is Window-Eyes 9.2 a 
free
or paid upgrade?  If free, I can't seem to download it when the CHECK 
FOR
UPDATE dialogue window pops up.  I keep hearing "progressing, 
progressing"

endlessly and finally a time out.  What gives?

If a paid upgrade, just how much does it cost?

Gracious thanks for all help!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: downloading windows 10

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I'm aware of that. It's actually part of a quote from an old Ninja Turtles 
video game, and yes they did screw it up and put buttle instead of battle. 
So it was intentional on my part. LOL.




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-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:00 PM
To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: downloading windows 10

Hi Bryan,

Just for your info, did you realize that the last word in your tag line is
spelled buttle rather than battle; was this your intention?

hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:16 PM
To: net bat; Curtis Delzer; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: downloading windows 10

I'm guessing I wouldn't qualify since I use Vista.



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-Original Message-
From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:10 PM
To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: downloading windows 10

the installation should of shown you the compatibility report before the
installation proceeded.
there it would of told you window eyes, jaws and nvda had to be uninstalled
before proceeding.
also check your antivirus. eset or nod32 needed to be re installed too.

-Original Message-
From: Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:23 PM
To: Chris Skarstad
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: downloading windows 10

Hi. Well, no sighted assistance required, but there is a major flaw!!!
Hey you guys at AI-Squared, should have looked at this if you could have in
some way, warned us or let us know..
When the upgrade is finished, all of the video drivers are not properly
working for any screen reader. Surprised that MicroSoft didn't warn us?
When all the activity finally did finish and I had to listen carefully to be
sure no disc drive was spinning, I pressed enter, and lo and behold, my old
sound schemes still worked, and here comes window-eyes 9.2.1.0. Elated, I
was, until I tried reading here in Becky! mail, and "no edit box," or,
window-eyes said "vertical edit."
so now, what? I thought I'd bring up NVDA, with similar result, so I brought
up JFW 16 which says "video driver is not properly installed.
Run the jaws . . . etc.
That told me to re-run the window-eyes update from the web site, and after I
changed my default browser as per instructions thoughtfully provided in the
9.2 read me, I downloaded and re-installed.
When I rebooted, it took quite some time for Window-eyes to start, but when
it did, and I brought up Becky! mail, all edit boxes read as they did with
my windows 7 pro 64 install.
It appears I will need to re-install those other 2 screen readers as well.
--
Curtis Delzer 

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 07:51:25 -0400
Chris Skarstad  wrote:


This is cool.  Is there any sighted assistance involved in installing
Windows 10? Or is it just a case of waiting for the system to reboot?
Interestingly enough, I checked on the compadibility of Windows 10 for
my machine, and one of the programs it said I had to uninstall before
the upgrade was Window-eyes, synthesizer authorization, that's
dec-talk access
32 for Window-eyes, and NVDA.  I was under the impression that all of
these programs were compadible with Windows 10?  So if I were to do
the upgrade, are there any caveots?  It'd really be helpful so I know
what I'm up against before i get started.



On 7/29/2015 3:12 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
> At 12:01 local "Pacific" time I began the update to Windows 10.
>
> Easy, peezy.


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Re: downloading windows 10

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Me too. I don't know if I dare. LOL.



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-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:54 PM
To: gary melconian ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: downloading windows 10

I'm definitely not in a rush.  I will wait for as long as I can.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: gary melconian via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:40 PM
To: 'net bat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Curtis Delzer'
Subject: RE: downloading windows 10

Its going to tell you to uninstall any access that's not compatible before
you proceed. Some of you guys are hin a rush to update you guys have 1 year
to do the update. Why is everyone in a rush.  I don't know but just my point
of view. Just wait a while I havea feeling there will be bugs over time that
both all the acces tech companies are going ot have ot addres a well as
wwindwos 10 updates which will break things over tiem.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 4:11 PM
To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: downloading windows 10

the installation should of shown you the compatibility report before the
installation proceeded.
there it would of told you window eyes, jaws and nvda had to be uninstalled
before proceeding.
also check your antivirus. eset or nod32 needed to be re installed too.

-Original Message-
From: Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:23 PM
To: Chris Skarstad
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: downloading windows 10

Hi. Well, no sighted assistance required, but there is a major flaw!!!
Hey you guys at AI-Squared, should have looked at this if you could have in
some way, warned us or let us know..
When the upgrade is finished, all of the video drivers are not properly
working for any screen reader. Surprised that MicroSoft didn't warn us?
When all the activity finally did finish and I had to listen carefully to be
sure no disc drive was spinning, I pressed enter, and lo and behold, my old
sound schemes still worked, and here comes window-eyes 9.2.1.0. Elated, I
was, until I tried reading here in Becky! mail, and "no edit box," or,
window-eyes said "vertical edit."
so now, what? I thought I'd bring up NVDA, with similar result, so I brought
up JFW 16 which says "video driver is not properly installed.
Run the jaws . . . etc.
That told me to re-run the window-eyes update from the web site, and after I
changed my default browser as per instructions thoughtfully provided in the
9.2 read me, I downloaded and re-installed.
When I rebooted, it took quite some time for Window-eyes to start, but when
it did, and I brought up Becky! mail, all edit boxes read as they did with
my windows 7 pro 64 install.
It appears I will need to re-install those other 2 screen readers as well.
--
Curtis Delzer 

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 07:51:25 -0400
Chris Skarstad  wrote:


This is cool.  Is there any sighted assistance involved in installing
Windows 10? Or is it just a case of waiting for the system to reboot?
Interestingly enough, I checked on the compadibility of Windows 10 for
my machine, and one of the programs it said I had to uninstall before
the upgrade was Window-eyes, synthesizer authorization, that's
dec-talk access 32 for Window-eyes, and NVDA.  I was under the
impression that all of these programs were compadible with Windows 10?
So if I were to do the upgrade, are there any caveots?  It'd really be
helpful so I know what I'm up against before i get started.



On 7/29/2015 3:12 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
> At 12:01 local "Pacific" time I began the update to Windows 10.
>
> Easy, peezy.


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Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

True. That's how I got started on my payment plan. Hard to believe that was 
eight years ago now.




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-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:53 PM
To: Keith Hinton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

They can charge your card over the phone, or probably online.  I have done
it over the phone.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Keith Hinton via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:36 PM
To: Chip Orange ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

Hi folks, I'll be direct in my views here for ther est ofy ou.
1.
Hear is what makes AISquared/GW staff different from allt he other
major corporations out there.
One on one personal service.
In the business that I have owned for a year, I also provide my
clients personal support, and am on hand to help with whatever they
might need from me.
So if they don't know how something works, well there you go.
I believe in  the personal touch, it sets much apart when that is given.
So while I use the free version of Window-Eyes and am on a fixed
income like many ofy ou, I am going to save up as much as I need to so
that I can ultimately invest in a full copy of Window-Eyes for several
reasons.
1. I'll get all the voices I want.
2.
I'd like the benefit of knowing that should I need help I'll get free
unlimited support and the personal touch the staff bring to
Window-Eyes.
3.
Knowing that I won't necessarily need Office installed will be of help
actualy, because the last thing I need is a screen reader dependent
upon Micorosft Office itself. Sorry guys, but I don't install Office
on all machines.
There are times where I have needed ot use Window-Eyes in virtual
machine environments for testing purposes, and every time I need do
that, I fire up the 60 day evaluation for those times.
Why? Because usually after I first set up a Windows machine, virutal
or not, I don't have Office installed.
And I'd prefer to have all voices just owrk out of hte box that
Window-Eyes supports without buying them separately.
I've come to see everything in my life, not as an expense, but as an
investment.
Investing in Window-Eyes over JAWS for my work life as it works with
the ecommerce shop I own even though I work out of my home in a lot of
cases would be an investment worth making to me, so I'm coming at you
from the other end of the spectrum.
I'm lucky that I haven't needed  to pay for support because I can't
presently aford the support costs that come with Window-Eyes For
Office at all.
I own a business I need to save up money to make investments in it
from time to time, I need to save up money for this, that, and so on.
So, ultimately having to pay for support is a large deal breaker.
Requiring that Office be installed like I say is not at all funny to
me, and ultimately, I'd just like to pay for the occasional SMA.
I am sure AISquared makes paying for the SMA easy and quick.
DO they make you sign a Braille form or something crazy then mail it back?
Or can they just charge your card for you over the phone or online?
Either way, I think maintaining an agreement with them is worth it.
So there is my opinion especially regarding the personal touch.
I'd appreciate knowing from you SMA users how easy it has been to pay
for them when you've had to.
Talk to you all soon!

Regards,
Keith

On 7/29/15, Chip Orange via Talk  wrote:

Hi Robin,

If you use your screen reader for work, and in an emergency would really
need help, I would not give up support; it's too important to you (and 
I've

seen too many people rescued by support when their Window-Eyes wasn't
working, or wasn't working with the program they needed).  I also suspect
your requests for enhancements (especially to make it work with some new
program) get much more attention when you're a paying support customer.

As for the synthesizer, yes, you are giving up the use of any "high
quality"
one.  You are also gambling on MS keeping this program going from year to
year; they could stop it at any time and your copy of Window-Eyes (the 
free

one) would no longer work.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:29 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to
the
free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2.  The quality of tech support was 
a

big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me
to
consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the
switch think I'm giving up anything else.  I currently use the Dectalk
voice
in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to.

Opinions?


Robin Va

Re: SMA or free version

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Except for the part that the Office that comes on the machine is usually a 
demo. There maybe exceptions to that but that's been my experience usualy.




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-Original Message- 
From: gary melconian via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:45 PM
To: dlh...@centurylink.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'john s'
Subject: RE: SMA or free version

I don't think so they cut off the folks who wer on the payment plan  for the
free version to cut those costs . thats how I see it. I know a few friends
of mine who wer in this situation. So I don't think that the office approach
is a wrong thing.it gives folks the opportunity to own both what's wrong
about that one. If you're a payin customer of fs and you want to try out gw
you have that  choice wwithout having to invest in the full copy.  Almost
every machine now a days comes with some version of office, so that excuse
that you don't have office does not fly.

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Re: SMA or free version

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

That's the point though. With the SMA you don't HAVE! to buy those, well 
except for Vocalizer.




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-Original Message- 
From: gary melconian via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:35 PM
To: 'Chip Orange' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; dlh...@centurylink.net
Subject: RE: SMA or free version

Your wrong. You can by the e ovices , you canbbuy both eloquence nad
vocalizer. I don't recal lteh cost of eloquence but I do recall its $39 for
the vocalizer package. Support iti think you can pay for . So overall you
can do it how ever you need to.  In the work setting you have support for
the IT guys.  I don't know but for what I need ot do. I always have my
laptop in the work seting separate for the work network and I have special
credientils to log into my corporate network. That's how I solve that one.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chip Orange via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:35 PM
To: dlh...@centurylink.net; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: SMA or free version

Hi Whoever (there's no name),

Yes, they obviously get a small payment from Microsoft for offering the
"free" Window-Eyes; however, as I said separately, you do not get any
support, and I believe, you do not get any "high quality" synthesizer.  Both
of these are really worth it alone.

As for SMA: did you realize if you had had an SMA when 9.2 was released, you
would get it for free and not use up your SMA?  This is just one good reason
for buying an SMA; the company offers you free upgrades when others pay, and
you don't always use your SMA.  When you do, it costs less than paying for
the upgrade, and you know at the time you buy the SMA how much it is costing
and whether you have the money.  Otherwise, in a year or two, there could be
a major upgrade which costs much more than you expected and you may not have
the money readily available.  Also, if an employer or institution is
purchasing WE for you, it's often easier to get them to include an SMA
rather than to purchase the upgrade later (a colleague of mine just went
through this at work).

Chip


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 6:18 PM
To: john s; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: SMA or free version

I have never understood the thinking behind the Free version of Window Eyes
for those using MS Office.

I have had the sense that GW Micro was running short of Cash flow  the last
few years, and was looking to do something to keep the business going.  I
hope I am incorrect about this, but this is my sense about GW Micro's last
three or four years.


Unless they get some sort of payment from Microsoft, I can't see where
it benefits GW Micro, now A I Squared, to have a Free edition.Seems
like that would take away from the Bottom Line, rather than add to it.

but, Hey, A Company can do what it wishes.What do I know.



I've been a Paying customer since the DOS days with Vocal eyes, and have
bought every Upgrade as it came along.

I have not understood the SMA thing either, because here again, the only
reason why I can think of to even have such a system, is to obtain much
needed cash flow.  Although, all that is happening, is that the Company
is borrowing from its Customers.This is not Smart.   Sure, Sure, it
is marketed in such a way, that it sounds like it is the Customer who
benefits the most. Sure, you get a slight discount for purchasing ahead, but
the Company that borrows from its customers, end up with less when they
release a new edition.

I don't know what the best answer is when operating a Company such as a
Screen Reader manufacturer.the idea is to sell product, to make a
profit large enough to pay for Research and Development, and to make the
owners and Employees happy enough to keep doing what they are doing.

It is a very limited market, as only the seriously blind are likely to need
such a program, and most seriously Blind are also seriously limited when it
comes to buying items that are expensive.


I am sure trying to keep up with every new Operating System from Microsoft
is no easy task.  And the Web has to be an absolute nightmare when it comes
to attempting to make a screen reader work with what is likely to be found
on web sites put up by all kinds of people, all around the World.

I feel sorry for those guys in Development that have the chore of making a
Screen Reader work with most everything found on the ever changing Web.




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Re: downloading windows 10

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I'm guessing I wouldn't qualify since I use Vista.



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-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:10 PM
To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: downloading windows 10

the installation should of shown you the compatibility report before the
installation proceeded.
there it would of told you window eyes, jaws and nvda had to be uninstalled
before proceeding.
also check your antivirus. eset or nod32 needed to be re installed too.

-Original Message- 
From: Curtis Delzer via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:23 PM
To: Chris Skarstad
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: downloading windows 10

Hi. Well, no sighted assistance required, but there is a major flaw!!!
Hey you guys at AI-Squared, should have looked at this if you could have
in some way, warned us or let us know..
When the upgrade is finished, all of the video drivers are not properly
working for any screen reader. Surprised that MicroSoft didn't warn us?
When all the activity finally did finish and I had to listen carefully
to be sure no disc drive was spinning, I pressed enter, and lo and
behold, my old sound schemes still worked, and here comes window-eyes
9.2.1.0. Elated, I was, until I tried reading here in Becky! mail, and
"no edit box," or, window-eyes said "vertical edit."
so now, what? I thought I'd bring up NVDA, with similar result, so I
brought up JFW 16 which says "video driver is not properly installed.
Run the jaws . . . etc.
That told me to re-run the window-eyes update from the web site, and
after I changed my default browser as per instructions thoughtfully
provided in the 9.2 read me, I downloaded and re-installed.
When I rebooted, it took quite some time for Window-eyes to start, but
when it did, and I brought up Becky! mail, all edit boxes read as they
did with my windows 7 pro 64 install.
It appears I will need to re-install those other 2 screen readers as
well.
--
Curtis Delzer 

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 07:51:25 -0400
Chris Skarstad  wrote:

This is cool.  Is there any sighted assistance involved in installing 
Windows 10? Or is it just a case of waiting for the system to reboot? 
Interestingly enough, I checked on the compadibility of Windows 10 for my 
machine, and one of the programs it said I had to uninstall before the 
upgrade was Window-eyes, synthesizer authorization, that's dec-talk access 
32 for Window-eyes, and NVDA.  I was under the impression that all of 
these programs were compadible with Windows 10?  So if I were to do the 
upgrade, are there any caveots?  It'd really be helpful so I know what I'm 
up against before i get started.




On 7/29/2015 3:12 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
> At 12:01 local "Pacific" time I began the update to Windows 10.
>
> Easy, peezy.


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Re: gw toolkit

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

It's weird actually. Sometimes that happens to me every bloody time I load 
up WE and then other times it doesn't happen for a long time.




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-Original Message- 
From: Jim Ruby via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 4:57 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: gw toolkit

Anyone getting errors with the gw tool kit? I am running in to a fiew of
them when window-eyes comes up after login or when I close and re-open
window-eyes.

Windows 7  x 64


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Re: SMA or free version

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Tell me about it. I'm glad I still had an SMA when 8.0 came out and for 
whatever reason some files didn't get copied correctly when I installed the 
upgrade I downloaded. That meant that my Window-Eyes thought it was a demo. 
I probably wouldn't have been able to fix that without remote asistance.




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-Original Message- 
From: Chip Orange via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 4:24 PM
To: 'Butch K' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: SMA or free version

Hi Butch,

I just want to remind you that if you go for the MS Office/free Window-Eyes,
you do not get support from AI Squared; no phone support, no email support.

If you ever have an emergency and not just a little question, support can be
critical.  I know plenty of people who have had their Window-Eyes
"straightened out" by AI support, and there's no way they could have gone on
without the phone (and even remoting into their pc at times).

It's also, in my opinion, one of the primary benefits of using Window-Eyes
over the competition: the quality of the support.

Please do consider it.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Butch K via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 4:10 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: SMA or free version

Like Robin, my SMA is done. If I buy microsoft office, how many computers
can I install the program on. In other words, will I need to buy a new copy
of office for my laptop, then another copy for my desktop? If I can install
office on only one machine, I think a new SmA may be the way to go. Thanks.

Butch

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Re: first impressions of Win 10

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Still on Vista here. LOL.



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-Original Message- 
From: Reeva Webb via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:37 PM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: first impressions of Win 10

I'm not on windows 10 still on 8.1 but I have this issue with windows
explorer. The lag gets so bad I have to restart we I switched to total
commander for now.

Reeva

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015, Don H via Talk 
wrote:


Have Windows 10 installed on my HP laptop running a I7 processor with 8
Gigs of RAM.
Am finding WE response lagging in file explorer.  If you use the arrow
keys to go through the list of files and folders using the arrow keys 
there

is much more lag that there was in Windows 8.1.  Anyone else have this
issue?  Is there any settings that can be changed to resolve this issue?

Thanks
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Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I have those.



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-Original Message- 
From: gary melconian

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:16 PM
To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Pamela Dominguez'
Subject: RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

You can buy vocalizer package for $39 and that will solve all the issues its
very fast and very intelligible.

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:32 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

I do like Dectalk but I have to take breaks from it from time to time or it
gets on my nerves.



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-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 2:30 PM
To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

I still have dec-talk, because I bought mine back when it had it.  I don't
like eloquence, because I don't like the way it sounds, and it's not as
loud, but I have to agree with you; it is quite snappy in its
responsiveness.  I have never had or heard vocalizer, so I can't compare
that.  Pam.

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From: Bryan Peterson via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:39 PM
To: mcommerf...@comcast.net ; Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

Exactly. You also don't have to pay for Eloquence, which while it isn't my
favorite synthesizer in terms of the actual speech is still just about the
fastest synthe I've ever used in terms of responsiveness, although the
Vocalizer voices are pretty good in that department as well.



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-Original Message- 
From: Marvin Commerford via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:36 PM
To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

Hi.  Actually you would need to purchase a license for Dectalk.
Actually you've already made the large investment by buying WE in the
first place.  For me the cost of an SMA is worth it for the tech support
and the delivery of cds for upgrades that use an SMA count.  You also
can get your licensed upgrade quickly.  Ok, the servers got hammered at
first but you've had WE for a while and probably have had quite a few
upgrades while you've had your SMA.  I would rather have an agreement
with GW/AI for my screen reader.  MS has nothing to do with it this way.
 The free option is really fantastic for people who can't make the
initial investment in their screen reader but in my opinion its value
decreases for those of us who are working with the licensed full copy.

On 7/29/2015 10:28 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:

My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to
the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2.  The quality of tech support
was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor
for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who
made the switch think I'm giving up anything else.  I currently use the
Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice



if I have to.

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to freeversion

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

True. Friendly advice is one thing but true tech support is another beast 
entirely.




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-Original Message- 
From: Baracco, Andrew W via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:01 PM
To: mcommerf...@comcast.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to 
freeversion


It troubles me when someone says that they'll just use this list for
tech support. There is a big difference between friendly advice and tech
support. I do not think that anyone here is going to spend a long time
helping someone solve a complicated problem when they are not being
compensated for their time. Fortunately I have seldom required true tech
support, but I have been grateful for its availability when I have
needed it. I think that the free offering is great for those in
financial need, but going from the paid product to the free product is a
big step backward, and not advisable particularly at this time when we
are going through such major changes.

Andy


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+andrew.baracco=va@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Marvin Commerford via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:36 PM
To: Van Lant, Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to
free version

Hi.  Actually you would need to purchase a license for Dectalk.
Actually you've already made the large investment by buying WE in the
first place.  For me the cost of an SMA is worth it for the tech support
and the delivery of cds for upgrades that use an SMA count.  You also
can get your licensed upgrade quickly.  Ok, the servers got hammered at
first but you've had WE for a while and probably have had quite a few
upgrades while you've had your SMA.  I would rather have an agreement
with GW/AI for my screen reader.  MS has nothing to do with it this way.

 The free option is really fantastic for people who can't make the
initial investment in their screen reader but in my opinion its value
decreases for those of us who are working with the licensed full copy.

On 7/29/2015 10:28 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:

My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move

to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2.  The quality of tech
support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a
big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if
others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else.  I
currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use
that Eloquence voice if I have to.


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Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

You and me both Pamela.



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-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 2:41 PM
To: gary melconian ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

I sometimes find it better to call tech support, so I can deal with the
person one-on-one.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: gary melconian via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 4:11 PM
To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Sky Mundell'
Subject: RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

I have done the same, ssince in over 25 yers I have never needed tech
support resolve my problem all my tech support has come ffrom the list serve
or from googling for the answers. So I have gone the free route with version
8.4, 9 and now 9.2.  I will continue to go that route as I have both the
text the speech engine that I like ot use and I havea fully working copy of
office 2013 and I do plan on going to office 2016 and windows 10 with a new
computer purchase later this year.

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Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I do like Dectalk but I have to take breaks from it from time to time or it 
gets on my nerves.




Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 2:30 PM
To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

I still have dec-talk, because I bought mine back when it had it.  I don't
like eloquence, because I don't like the way it sounds, and it's not as
loud, but I have to agree with you; it is quite snappy in its
responsiveness.  I have never had or heard vocalizer, so I can't compare
that.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Bryan Peterson via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:39 PM
To: mcommerf...@comcast.net ; Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

Exactly. You also don't have to pay for Eloquence, which while it isn't my
favorite synthesizer in terms of the actual speech is still just about the
fastest synthe I've ever used in terms of responsiveness, although the
Vocalizer voices are pretty good in that department as well.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Marvin Commerford via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:36 PM
To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

Hi.  Actually you would need to purchase a license for Dectalk.
Actually you've already made the large investment by buying WE in the
first place.  For me the cost of an SMA is worth it for the tech support
and the delivery of cds for upgrades that use an SMA count.  You also
can get your licensed upgrade quickly.  Ok, the servers got hammered at
first but you've had WE for a while and probably have had quite a few
upgrades while you've had your SMA.  I would rather have an agreement
with GW/AI for my screen reader.  MS has nothing to do with it this way.
 The free option is really fantastic for people who can't make the
initial investment in their screen reader but in my opinion its value
decreases for those of us who are working with the licensed full copy.

On 7/29/2015 10:28 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to 
the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2.  The quality of tech support 
was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor 
for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who 
made the switch think I'm giving up anything else.  I currently use the 
Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice 
if I have to.


Opinions?


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Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance
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Re: SMA or free version

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I've always understood that you can install each copy of office on a certain 
number of machines (usually three if I remember right), so unless things 
have changed you should have some leeway.




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-Original Message- 
From: Butch K via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 2:09 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: SMA or free version

Like Robin, my SMA is done. If I buy microsoft office, how many computers 
can I install the program on. In other words, will I need to buy a new copy 
of office for my laptop, then another copy for my desktop? If I can install 
office on only one machine, I think a new SmA may be the way to go. Thanks.


Butch

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Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

True. I'm also on a very fixed income but I plan to save up to buy a new 
SMA, even if that does take a while.




Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:56 PM
To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

Hello. I agree with you totally. The only real reason why in some parts of
Canada, and in the US many people prefer the free version is because they
can't get a rehab agency to purchase Window-Eyes because jfw already got
them in its teeth. I myself don't have an SMA and I'm on a fixed income. Our
local dealer, which is named Aroga, that distributes Window-Eyes rarely
sells any copies of it thanks to the free office inishitive of it and there
are users all the time in Canada who are using it.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:40 PM
To: mcommerf...@comcast.net; Van Lant, Robin ;
Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

Exactly. You also don't have to pay for Eloquence, which while it isn't my
favorite synthesizer in terms of the actual speech is still just about the
fastest synthe I've ever used in terms of responsiveness, although the
Vocalizer voices are pretty good in that department as well.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message-
From: Marvin Commerford via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:36 PM
To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

Hi.  Actually you would need to purchase a license for Dectalk.
Actually you've already made the large investment by buying WE in the first
place.  For me the cost of an SMA is worth it for the tech support and the
delivery of cds for upgrades that use an SMA count.  You also can get your
licensed upgrade quickly.  Ok, the servers got hammered at first but you've
had WE for a while and probably have had quite a few upgrades while you've
had your SMA.  I would rather have an agreement with GW/AI for my screen
reader.  MS has nothing to do with it this way.
 The free option is really fantastic for people who can't make the initial
investment in their screen reader but in my opinion its value decreases for
those of us who are working with the licensed full copy.

On 7/29/2015 10:28 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:

My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move
to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2.  The quality of tech
support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a
big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know
if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else.  I
currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can
use that Eloquence voice if I have to.

Opinions?


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Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Exactly. You also don't have to pay for Eloquence, which while it isn't my 
favorite synthesizer in terms of the actual speech is still just about the 
fastest synthe I've ever used in terms of responsiveness, although the 
Vocalizer voices are pretty good in that department as well.




Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Marvin Commerford via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:36 PM
To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

Hi.  Actually you would need to purchase a license for Dectalk.
Actually you've already made the large investment by buying WE in the
first place.  For me the cost of an SMA is worth it for the tech support
and the delivery of cds for upgrades that use an SMA count.  You also
can get your licensed upgrade quickly.  Ok, the servers got hammered at
first but you've had WE for a while and probably have had quite a few
upgrades while you've had your SMA.  I would rather have an agreement
with GW/AI for my screen reader.  MS has nothing to do with it this way.
 The free option is really fantastic for people who can't make the
initial investment in their screen reader but in my opinion its value
decreases for those of us who are working with the licensed full copy.

On 7/29/2015 10:28 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to 
the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2.  The quality of tech support 
was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor 
for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who 
made the switch think I'm giving up anything else.  I currently use the 
Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice 
if I have to.


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Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance
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Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Well said. That's why I'm currently working on saving up to renew my SMA.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:48 AM
To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

I would never give up tech support because if you need something you must 
pay by incident unless they have an incident package.


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[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:29 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to the 
free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2.  The quality of tech support was a 
big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me to 
consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the 
switch think I'm giving up anything else.  I currently use the Dectalk voice 
in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to.


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Re: Have you taken the WebAIM survey? Make sure your voice is heard!

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I was actually referring to upgrading Windows itself, not Window-Eyes.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Kevin Huber

Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 9:33 AM
To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Marc Solomon ; hui thian ; Jeremy Curry
Subject: Re: Have you taken the WebAIM survey? Make sure your voice is 
heard!


Hi Brian:
If you can't afford to upgrade, you can get the latest version of
Microsoft Office, which is somewhat less than the cost of an upgrade,
then download the free version of Window-eyes.   Make sure to install
and register your Microsoft Office before you install the free version
of Window-eyes.
I did it a few weeks ago myself.  I had actually intended upgrade my
retail version of Window-eyes from 8.4 to 9.1, but when I looked at
the cost of the upgrade plus an MSA and then looked at purchasing the
latest version of MS Office, I found that the latter option was much
less expensive than the former,  so I got MS Office and downloaded and
installed Window-eyes from the Window-eyes4office website.   You do
have to keep in mind that the voices will be different and might take
some getting used to, and you do not get free unlimited technical
support for your Window-eyes from aisquared.
But if you are comfortable with these changes, then it is well worth it for 
you.

Kevin Huber








On 7/8/15, Bryan Peterson via Talk  wrote:

Problem is not everybody can afford to upgrade.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message-
From: Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 10:17 AM
To: hui thian ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Jeremy Curry
Subject: RE: Have you taken the WebAIM survey? Make sure your voice is
heard!

Hi Hui,
Regretfully, Ai Squared is unable to provide any support for Windows XP 
and


this is the type of situation that can occur when using an unsupported
operating system with a very old version of Window-Eyes. I am confident 
that


if you were to use a modern operating system and a more up to date version
of Window-Eyes the issues you are experiencing would be corrected.
Regards,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf


Of hui thian via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 7:07 AM
To: Jeremy Curry; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Have you taken the WebAIM survey? Make sure your voice is
heard!

Hi Jeremy, may I know how come when I click on the link you provided, I
can't seems to read the survey and fill it? I am using window xp and
window-eyes 7.0 thanks
- Original Message -
From: "Jeremy Curry via Talk" 
To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 2:08 AM
Subject: RE: Have you taken the WebAIM survey? Make sure your voice is
heard!



You pointed out the reason that it is very important everyone take the
survey.  We know that our number of users is much higher than we have
seen
in the past on this survey, so we encourage everyone to take it.

Thanks,

Jeremy


-Original Message-
From: Sky Mundell [mailto:s...@shaw.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 12:28 PM
To: Jeremy Curry; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Have you taken the WebAIM survey? Make sure your voice is
heard!

I took the survey. However, on last webaim survey, Window-Eyes was at
6.5,
JAWS at 50%, NVDA at 20%, and voice over and zoomtext decreasing in
usage.
This was on the last survey, so things might have changed.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Curry via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:49 AM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Have you taken the WebAIM survey? Make sure your voice is heard!

Greetings Ai Squared Customers,

Make sure that your voice is heard in the latest WebAIM survey.  Since
this is the only survey of its kind, many organizations often use it to
determine which screen reader and magnifier they will support.  You will
find both Window-Eyes and ZoomText on the survey list regarding what
technology you use.  If you have not already done so, we highly encourage
you to take a few minutes today to complete the survey, which is located
at http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/.

If you know a Window-Eyes or ZoomText user, please help spread the word.

Thanks!

Jeremy
Jeremy Curry
Director of Product Management
Ai Squared, Inc.
Phone: (802) 362-3612
Email: jcu...@aisquared.com<mailto:jcu...@aisquared.com>
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Re: Have you taken the WebAIM survey? Make sure your voice is heard!

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I was also referring to the cost of the Windows upgrade itself since aside 
from the cost of the software itself some might have to purchase whole new 
machines before they can runit.




Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Marc Solomon

Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 2:31 PM
To: Bryan Peterson ; hui thian ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Jeremy Curry
Subject: RE: Have you taken the WebAIM survey? Make sure your voice is 
heard!


Hi Bryan,
Yes, financial barriers to access technology is still a problem for many 
people across the globe. This is one of the reasons we partnered with 
Microsoft to make Window-Eyes available at no additional cost if you have a 
computer running Office 2010 or newer. If you don't already own Office, you 
can get it via an Office 365 subscription for as little as $6.99 per month 
(https://products.office.com/en-us/compare-microsoft-office-products).  This 
offer gives people access to the latest version of Window-Eyes. You can 
obtain this free version of Window-Eyes at www.WindowEyesForOffice.com. 
There are also ways of raising funds to pay for access technology by working 
with charitable organizations or creating your own grassroots fundraisers. 
Try talking to your local Lions Club, Rotary Club or religious institution 
to find out if they would be willing to help.

Regards,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Bryan Peterson [mailto:bpeterson2...@cableone.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:00 PM
To: Marc Solomon; hui thian; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Jeremy Curry
Subject: Re: Have you taken the WebAIM survey? Make sure your voice is 
heard!


Problem is not everybody can afford to upgrade.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Marc Solomon via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 10:17 AM
To: hui thian ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Jeremy Curry
Subject: RE: Have you taken the WebAIM survey? Make sure your voice is
heard!

Hi Hui,
Regretfully, Ai Squared is unable to provide any support for Windows XP and
this is the type of situation that can occur when using an unsupported
operating system with a very old version of Window-Eyes. I am confident that
if you were to use a modern operating system and a more up to date version
of Window-Eyes the issues you are experiencing would be corrected.
Regards,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of hui thian via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 7:07 AM
To: Jeremy Curry; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Have you taken the WebAIM survey? Make sure your voice is
heard!

Hi Jeremy, may I know how come when I click on the link you provided, I
can't seems to read the survey and fill it? I am using window xp and
window-eyes 7.0 thanks
- Original Message - 
From: "Jeremy Curry via Talk" 

To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 2:08 AM
Subject: RE: Have you taken the WebAIM survey? Make sure your voice is
heard!



You pointed out the reason that it is very important everyone take the
survey.  We know that our number of users is much higher than we have seen
in the past on this survey, so we encourage everyone to take it.

Thanks,

Jeremy


-Original Message-
From: Sky Mundell [mailto:s...@shaw.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 12:28 PM
To: Jeremy Curry; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Have you taken the WebAIM survey? Make sure your voice is
heard!

I took the survey. However, on last webaim survey, Window-Eyes was at 6.5,
JAWS at 50%, NVDA at 20%, and voice over and zoomtext decreasing in usage.
This was on the last survey, so things might have changed.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Curry via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:49 AM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Have you taken the WebAIM survey? Make sure your voice is heard!

Greetings Ai Squared Customers,

Make sure that your voice is heard in the latest WebAIM survey.  Since
this is the only survey of its kind, many organizations often use it to
determine which screen reader and magnifier they will support.  You will
find both Window-Eyes and ZoomText on the survey list regarding what
technology you use.  If you have not already done so, we highly encourage
you to take a few minutes today to complete the survey, which is located
at http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/.

If you know a Window-Eyes or ZoomText user, please help spread the word.

Thanks!

Jeremy
Jeremy Curry
Director of Product Management
Ai Squared, Inc.
Phone: (802) 362-3612
Email: jcu...@aisquared.com
Web: www.aisquared.com
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Re: Have you taken the WebAIM survey? Make sure your voice is heard!

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Problem is not everybody can afford to upgrade.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Marc Solomon via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 10:17 AM
To: hui thian ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Jeremy Curry
Subject: RE: Have you taken the WebAIM survey? Make sure your voice is 
heard!


Hi Hui,
Regretfully, Ai Squared is unable to provide any support for Windows XP and 
this is the type of situation that can occur when using an unsupported 
operating system with a very old version of Window-Eyes. I am confident that 
if you were to use a modern operating system and a more up to date version 
of Window-Eyes the issues you are experiencing would be corrected.

Regards,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of hui thian via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 7:07 AM
To: Jeremy Curry; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Have you taken the WebAIM survey? Make sure your voice is 
heard!


Hi Jeremy, may I know how come when I click on the link you provided, I
can't seems to read the survey and fill it? I am using window xp and
window-eyes 7.0 thanks
- Original Message - 
From: "Jeremy Curry via Talk" 

To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 2:08 AM
Subject: RE: Have you taken the WebAIM survey? Make sure your voice is
heard!



You pointed out the reason that it is very important everyone take the
survey.  We know that our number of users is much higher than we have seen
in the past on this survey, so we encourage everyone to take it.

Thanks,

Jeremy


-Original Message-
From: Sky Mundell [mailto:s...@shaw.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 12:28 PM
To: Jeremy Curry; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Have you taken the WebAIM survey? Make sure your voice is
heard!

I took the survey. However, on last webaim survey, Window-Eyes was at 6.5,
JAWS at 50%, NVDA at 20%, and voice over and zoomtext decreasing in usage.
This was on the last survey, so things might have changed.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Curry via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:49 AM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Have you taken the WebAIM survey? Make sure your voice is heard!

Greetings Ai Squared Customers,

Make sure that your voice is heard in the latest WebAIM survey.  Since
this is the only survey of its kind, many organizations often use it to
determine which screen reader and magnifier they will support.  You will
find both Window-Eyes and ZoomText on the survey list regarding what
technology you use.  If you have not already done so, we highly encourage
you to take a few minutes today to complete the survey, which is located
at http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/.

If you know a Window-Eyes or ZoomText user, please help spread the word.

Thanks!

Jeremy
Jeremy Curry
Director of Product Management
Ai Squared, Inc.
Phone: (802) 362-3612
Email: jcu...@aisquared.com
Web: www.aisquared.com
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Re: sapi5 eloquence now available

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

No kidding. I'd love to have Eloquence for Sapi so I can use it in twisted, 
humorous skits but that's way too much to spend.




Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 3:02 PM
To: Josh K ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence now available

Wo!  Forget! that!  Wayy! too expensive!

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh K via Talk" 

To: "Rob" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List"

Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence now available



www.atguys.com sells it for $69.

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 7/7/2015 2:00 PM, Rob wrote:
I bought it and I now use it for my crosswords and Q read. It's awesome. 
Got a few punctuation problems still, but this is still only version 1.
- Original Message - From: "Josh K via Talk" 

To: "Joseph Norton" ; "'Sunshine'" 
; "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 


Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence now available


this synthesizer not only works with window eyes but it is sapi5 and you 
get more languages and features the window eyes one does not offer. I 
have one kid and am raising him on my own and will still manage to find 
or come up with the money to buy this sapi5 eloquence that works with 
any screen reader i throw at it. it even works with microsoft narator!




follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 7/7/2015 11:04 AM, Joseph Norton wrote:

Hi:

45 pounds is a little pricy for me.  If I spend anywhere near that 
much,

I'll buy the voices from GW, since it's my chosen solution.

My wife would have a cow if she saw that kind of charge on our account 
for a
speech synthesizer, plus, we couldn't afford to feed the cow, since 
we've

got 2 kids already.




-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sunshine via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 4:07 AM
To: Josh K; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence now available

Josh, do you know if there are any voice samples for this sapi 5 
version

of equlance? if so could you share some voice samples?

On 7/5/2015 1:54 PM, Josh K via Talk wrote:

hi
there is now sapi5 eloquence available. get the demo from here.



http://www.comproom.co.uk/downloads/EloquenceForWindows_ComputerRoom-Setup.e
xe


and buy it here.



http://comproom.secured-area.co.uk/acatalog/Code_Factory_Nuance_Voices.html


you can use it to play audio games that require sapi. it comes with
the following languages. and it also works with window eyes.
american and british english
castilian and mexican spanish
canadian and standard french
german
italian
portuguese brazilian
finnish
japanese
korean
chinese mandarin.

current conversion rates put it at arounf $84. if you break it down by
language divide by 13 that's roughly the same cost as voxin for linux
per language.




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Re: sapi5 eloquence now available

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

M. LOL. Sorry, couldn't resist.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 9:04 AM
To: 'Sunshine' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Josh K'
Subject: RE: sapi5 eloquence now available

Hi:

45 pounds is a little pricy for me.  If I spend anywhere near that much,
I'll buy the voices from GW, since it's my chosen solution.

My wife would have a cow if she saw that kind of charge on our account for a
speech synthesizer, plus, we couldn't afford to feed the cow, since we've
got 2 kids already.




-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sunshine via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 4:07 AM
To: Josh K; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: sapi5 eloquence now available

Josh, do you know if there are any voice samples for this sapi 5 version
of equlance? if so could you share some voice samples?

On 7/5/2015 1:54 PM, Josh K via Talk wrote:

hi
there is now sapi5 eloquence available. get the demo from here.



http://www.comproom.co.uk/downloads/EloquenceForWindows_ComputerRoom-Setup.e
xe



and buy it here.



http://comproom.secured-area.co.uk/acatalog/Code_Factory_Nuance_Voices.html



you can use it to play audio games that require sapi. it comes with
the following languages. and it also works with window eyes.
american and british english
castilian and mexican spanish
canadian and standard french
german
italian
portuguese brazilian
finnish
japanese
korean
chinese mandarin.

current conversion rates put it at arounf $84. if you break it down by
language divide by 13 that's roughly the same cost as voxin for linux
per language.





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Re: Winamp

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

No need to get snippy. We had something that worked and they messed it up as 
usual.




Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
-Original Message- 
From: brendoncdono...@icloud.com

Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 3:15 AM
To: Bryan Peterson
Cc: Christopher-Mark Gilland ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Winamp

Well they didn't! And we need to move on.

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 13 Apr 2015, at 6:09 pm, Bryan Peterson  
wrote:


Especially since whenI tried a demo of WE9 to chec out the supposed 
improvements to ITunes I didn't see any. I wish they'd left us the option to 
restore the older, actually accessible layout with Control+S.




Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
-Original Message- From: Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 1:18 AM
To: brendoncdono...@icloud.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Winamp

I hear that they actually started developing again, but even if they didn't,
I would still use it for audio playback.  Beats the hell out of ITunes in my
opinion.  Now on  the mac?  that's a different story altogether, but we
won't go there on this particular list.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "brendoncdono...@icloud.com via Talk" 


To: "Ross McGregor" 
Cc: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: Winamp



Hello! Yes I believe so! No new versions are going to be coming out!

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 13 Apr 2015, at 2:12 pm, Ross McGregor  wrote:

Hasn't win amp now been discontinued? The developers aren't doing any more 
work on it?


Ross.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rossmcg=hotkey.net...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Brendon Charles Donohue via Talk

Sent: Monday, 13 April 2015 1:17 PM
To: 'Tom Fairhurst'
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Winamp
Importance: High

Hello,

If you still have CD Burner XP, I would use this program. It works very 
well!! I am not sure what your issue is with Winamp, but I would make sure 
you have the latest version installed!!


Thank you.

Brendon Donohue.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Fairhurst [mailto:tfairhu...@kc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 12:52 PM
To: brendoncdono...@icloud.com
Subject: Re: Winamp

I am asked to insert a blank disk into my CD drive when one is already 
there. I was actually able to create the CD with CD Burner XP.


-Original Message-
From: brendoncdono...@icloud.com
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 9:45 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst
Subject: Re: Winamp

Hi! What is the error you get? Thank you.

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 13 Apr 2015, at 12:44 pm, Tom Fairhurst  wrote:

Yes.

-Original Message- From: brendoncdono...@icloud.com
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 9:21 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: talk viaGW
Subject: Re: Winamp

Hi, do you have Winamp pro! This is the only one that can burn CDs.?

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 13 Apr 2015, at 11:07 am, Tom Fairhurst via Talk 
 wrote:


I can’t burn CDs in Winamp because Winamp doesn’t recognize that I have a 
blank disk in my CD drive. Why does this happen? I am using Windows 7 
64-bit Pro with WE 8.1.

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Re: Winamp

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

This is true. I used to use it a lot but not so much these days.



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Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
-Original Message- 
From: brendoncdono...@icloud.com via Talk

Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 1:58 AM
To: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Winamp

Hi, why don't you use windows!? Windows has burning software built into it! 
If you have Windows XP and above .

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 13 Apr 2015, at 5:17 pm, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Frankly, you couldn't pay me to use WinAmp to burn CD's, but that's just my 
opinion.  I'd personally just either use Nero, or Burnaware, and yes, 
Burnaware does have a free version, and it's hardly crippled at all, if any.


You'll have to google it.  Sorry, I don't have a link.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Brendon Charles Donohue via Talk" 


To: "'Tom Fairhurst'" 
Cc: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 11:17 PM
Subject: RE: Winamp



Hello,

If you still have CD Burner XP, I would use this program. It works very 
well!! I am not sure what your issue is with Winamp, but I would make sure 
you have the latest version installed!!


Thank you.

Brendon Donohue.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Fairhurst [mailto:tfairhu...@kc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 12:52 PM
To: brendoncdono...@icloud.com
Subject: Re: Winamp

I am asked to insert a blank disk into my CD drive when one is already 
there. I was actually able to create the CD with CD Burner XP.


-Original Message-
From: brendoncdono...@icloud.com
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 9:45 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst
Subject: Re: Winamp

Hi! What is the error you get? Thank you.

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 13 Apr 2015, at 12:44 pm, Tom Fairhurst  wrote:

Yes.

-Original Message- From: brendoncdono...@icloud.com
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 9:21 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: talk viaGW
Subject: Re: Winamp

Hi, do you have Winamp pro! This is the only one that can burn CDs.?

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 13 Apr 2015, at 11:07 am, Tom Fairhurst via Talk 
 wrote:


I can’t burn CDs in Winamp because Winamp doesn’t recognize that I have a 
blank disk in my CD drive. Why does this happen? I am using Windows 7 
64-bit Pro with WE 8.1.

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Re: Winamp

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Especially since whenI tried a demo of WE9 to chec out the supposed 
improvements to ITunes I didn't see any. I wish they'd left us the option to 
restore the older, actually accessible layout with Control+S.




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-Original Message- 
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk

Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 1:18 AM
To: brendoncdono...@icloud.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Winamp

I hear that they actually started developing again, but even if they didn't,
I would still use it for audio playback.  Beats the hell out of ITunes in my
opinion.  Now on  the mac?  that's a different story altogether, but we
won't go there on this particular list.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "brendoncdono...@icloud.com via Talk" 

To: "Ross McGregor" 
Cc: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: Winamp



Hello! Yes I believe so! No new versions are going to be coming out!

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 13 Apr 2015, at 2:12 pm, Ross McGregor  wrote:

Hasn't win amp now been discontinued? The developers aren't doing any more 
work on it?


Ross.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rossmcg=hotkey.net...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Brendon Charles Donohue via Talk

Sent: Monday, 13 April 2015 1:17 PM
To: 'Tom Fairhurst'
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Winamp
Importance: High

Hello,

If you still have CD Burner XP, I would use this program. It works very 
well!! I am not sure what your issue is with Winamp, but I would make sure 
you have the latest version installed!!


Thank you.

Brendon Donohue.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Fairhurst [mailto:tfairhu...@kc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 12:52 PM
To: brendoncdono...@icloud.com
Subject: Re: Winamp

I am asked to insert a blank disk into my CD drive when one is already 
there. I was actually able to create the CD with CD Burner XP.


-Original Message-
From: brendoncdono...@icloud.com
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 9:45 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst
Subject: Re: Winamp

Hi! What is the error you get? Thank you.

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 13 Apr 2015, at 12:44 pm, Tom Fairhurst  wrote:

Yes.

-Original Message- From: brendoncdono...@icloud.com
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 9:21 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: talk viaGW
Subject: Re: Winamp

Hi, do you have Winamp pro! This is the only one that can burn CDs.?

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 13 Apr 2015, at 11:07 am, Tom Fairhurst via Talk 
 wrote:


I can’t burn CDs in Winamp because Winamp doesn’t recognize that I have a 
blank disk in my CD drive. Why does this happen? I am using Windows 7 
64-bit Pro with WE 8.1.

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Re: Winamp

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Ihhaven't used Nero in years but back in the late 90's and early 2000's I 
loved it. Of course I have very little need to burn CD's these days.




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Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
-Original Message- 
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk

Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 1:17 AM
To: Brendon Charles Donohue ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Winamp

Frankly, you couldn't pay me to use WinAmp to burn CD's, but that's just my
opinion.  I'd personally just either use Nero, or Burnaware, and yes,
Burnaware does have a free version, and it's hardly crippled at all, if any.

You'll have to google it.  Sorry, I don't have a link.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Brendon Charles Donohue via Talk" 

To: "'Tom Fairhurst'" 
Cc: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 11:17 PM
Subject: RE: Winamp



Hello,

If you still have CD Burner XP, I would use this program. It works very 
well!! I am not sure what your issue is with Winamp, but I would make sure 
you have the latest version installed!!


Thank you.

Brendon Donohue.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Fairhurst [mailto:tfairhu...@kc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 12:52 PM
To: brendoncdono...@icloud.com
Subject: Re: Winamp

I am asked to insert a blank disk into my CD drive when one is already 
there. I was actually able to create the CD with CD Burner XP.


-Original Message-
From: brendoncdono...@icloud.com
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 9:45 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst
Subject: Re: Winamp

Hi! What is the error you get? Thank you.

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 13 Apr 2015, at 12:44 pm, Tom Fairhurst  wrote:

Yes.

-Original Message- From: brendoncdono...@icloud.com
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 9:21 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: talk viaGW
Subject: Re: Winamp

Hi, do you have Winamp pro! This is the only one that can burn CDs.?

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 13 Apr 2015, at 11:07 am, Tom Fairhurst via Talk 
 wrote:


I can’t burn CDs in Winamp because Winamp doesn’t recognize that I have a 
blank disk in my CD drive. Why does this happen? I am using Windows 7 
64-bit Pro with WE 8.1.

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Re: itunes question

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

You actually said X6 not F6.



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-Original Message- 
From: brendoncdono...@icloud.com via Talk

Sent: Friday, April 03, 2015 6:14 AM
To: groov...@juno.com
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: itunes question

Hello, yes function key F6! That's what I said below.thank you.

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 3 Apr 2015, at 10:08 pm, Sue J Ward  wrote:

It is actually function key f6.


On 4/3/2015 1:30 AM, brendoncdono...@icloud.com via Talk wrote:
Hi, X6.thank you.

Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 3 Apr 2015, at 3:26 pm, Darren Tomblin via Talk 
 wrote:


hi, I have a question about itunes and we. when i'm in the store and want 
to return to my local library in itunes 12.0.1 is there a keystroke to do 
this because I can't find one. thanks

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Re: social eyes

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

There's money involved. I think it's fifty bucks a year unless they've 
changed the price since the last time I checked. Admittedly that was a while 
back.




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-Original Message- 
From: Charles Short via Talk

Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 4:06 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: social eyes

Is social eyes free or is there money involved?
Thanks


Best Regards

Charlie Short


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Re: Window-Eyes and ITunes?

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Ah. That’s not too bad. Money’s a bit tight at the moment so I can’t do it yet 
but where would  I go to lear more for future reference?

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From: Reeva Webb 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 4:54 AM
To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes and ITunes?

For 1 computer it's $7.50usd  a month for a office 365 subscription. 

Reeva 

On Thursday, March 12, 2015, Bryan Peterson via Talk 
 wrote:

  And that costs how much



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  Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:00 PM
  To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: Window-Eyes and ITunes?

  just subscribe to office 365 and you can get window-eyes
  - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk" 

  To: "Vaughan Dodd" ; "'Window-Eyes Discussion
  List'" 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 6:25 AM
  Subject: Re: Window-Eyes and ITunes?



I was afraid of that. I don't currently have an SMA and can't curently 
aford to buy one. Nor can I afford to bu a newer version of Microsoft Office so 
I guess that'll have to wait.



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-Original Message- From: Vaughan Dodd
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:22 PM
To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes and ITunes?

Bryan: if not having done so already: update to Window-eyes v9.01, and also 
the Itunes install on your pc.  Significant improvements.

Vaughan .



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[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 11 March 2015 12:21 p.m.
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Window-Eyes and ITunes?

I notice that they seem to have removed the old ITunes layout from newer 
versions. I know there used to be a way to get it back but not in the last few 
versions. This is unfortunate because it makes ITunes harder to navigate. 
Unless I’m just missing something??
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Re: Window-Eyes and ITunes?

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

And that costs how much



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-Original Message- 
From: ike

Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:00 PM
To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes and ITunes?

just subscribe to office 365 and you can get window-eyes
- Original Message - 
From: "Bryan Peterson via Talk" 

To: "Vaughan Dodd" ; "'Window-Eyes Discussion
List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes and ITunes?


I was afraid of that. I don't currently have an SMA and can't curently 
aford to buy one. Nor can I afford to bu a newer version of Microsoft 
Office so I guess that'll have to wait.




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-Original Message- 
From: Vaughan Dodd

Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:22 PM
To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes and ITunes?

Bryan: if not having done so already: update to Window-eyes v9.01, and 
also the Itunes install on your pc.  Significant improvements.


Vaughan .



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From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, 11 March 2015 12:21 p.m.
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Window-Eyes and ITunes?

I notice that they seem to have removed the old ITunes layout from newer 
versions. I know there used to be a way to get it back but not in the last 
few versions. This is unfortunate because it makes ITunes harder to 
navigate. Unless I’m just missing something??

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Re: Window-Eyes and ITunes?

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I was afraid of that. I don't currently have an SMA and can't curently aford 
to buy one. Nor can I afford to bu a newer version of Microsoft Office so I 
guess that'll have to wait.




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-Original Message- 
From: Vaughan Dodd

Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:22 PM
To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes and ITunes?

Bryan: if not having done so already: update to Window-eyes v9.01, and also 
the Itunes install on your pc.  Significant improvements.


Vaughan .



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, 11 March 2015 12:21 p.m.
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Window-Eyes and ITunes?

I notice that they seem to have removed the old ITunes layout from newer 
versions. I know there used to be a way to get it back but not in the last 
few versions. This is unfortunate because it makes ITunes harder to 
navigate. Unless I’m just missing something??

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Window-Eyes and ITunes?

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I notice that they seem to have removed the old ITunes layout from newer 
versions. I know there used to be a way to get it back but not in the last few 
versions. This is unfortunate because it makes ITunes harder to navigate. 
Unless I’m just missing something??
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