Re: [talk-ph] Missing Maps Project
Count me in. I'll also be in Manila first two weeks of November. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Robert Banick rban...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Leonard, Sounds like a good idea. I'm taking this a little slowly because we're also still socializing with our ARC program team here. I'm in Manila right now but down to Tacloban on Friday. Perhaps I could be in Manila in early November and meet folks then? Stay tuned. Cheers, Robert On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Leonard Soriano banito_pi...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Robert, I am also interested in this project. Perhaps if you are here in Manila next month it would be good to organize a meet up where you could share and explain possible collaboration work with OSM-PH. Cheers, --bunny On Saturday, 18 October 2014, 3:27, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Robert, There is a planned project to complete the basic map of the province of Bohol. Unlike Cebu, Iloilo, Leyte, and Negros Occidental, more than half of Bohol still doesn't have readily available satellite imagery which can help with completing the map so either we try to procure imagery for the province or use the old-fashioned method of collecting GPS tracks. There was a huge earthquake almost exactly a year ago in Bohol and a fairly complete map would have been very useful back then. ~Eugene On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:21 PM, Robert Banick rban...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Eugene*,* Fantastic! We think that all three phases of Missing Maps would work in the Philippines, though the exact arrangement would depend on the site(s). There are a lot of people here in America who would like to contribute via digitization and we want to be open to that. But the real impressive work will always happen in the field and in the classroom afterwards when we digitize. To the extent possible we want to do as much of our work out of the Philippines as we can. I'll be back in the Philippines later this month and would be delighted to speak more with you all about potential opportunities. We're still lining up funding and hence can't make any promises yet, but we're very hopeful. Best, Robert On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Robert, I'm interested in bringing Missing Maps here in the Philippines. What phase of the project do you think would be best done here? If I understand correctly, the Missing Maps project can have 3 phases: an initial digitization of satellite imagery, then on-the-field data collection (names, etc.), then finally inputting the collected data. ~Eugene Hi Jim *et al*, I work in GIS for the American Red Cross. We're one of the founding agencies behind Missing Maps and are working with the Philippines Red Cross on recovery programs for Typhoon Yolanda. We'd be interested in working with OSM-PH on Missing Maps collaboations here if there's any interest on your side. We really like the idea of partnering with local OSM communities and y'all have really built a good one here. Any takers? Best, Robert Banick On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: Saw this in the Guardian and thought I'd share it http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/oct/06/missing- maps-human-genome-project-unmapped-cities Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Missing Maps Project
Hi Eugene, Happy to join if you meet in Manilla regarding this. I'm in town until November 12. Will be very useful to complete Bohol's OSM, as currently I'm advising a watershed commission in the Eastern part of Bohol. Because of this I started mapping this part of the island in August. Together with project NOAH I also did several OSM hands-on workshops with LGU's, youth volunteers and Bohol Island State University. I hope this will lead to some mapping activities through local people in the next months. Since August more detailed satellite images have become available for this specific area. On-screen mapping is possible for almost the whole watershed (Carood river). Best wishes, Arnoud Keizer *VSO volunteer for project DREAM http://dream.upd.edu.ph * Tel. *+63 9172405489* E-mail. a.j.kei...@gmail.com Blog. halo-halo.waarbenjij.nu Let's use *OpenStreetMap* http://www.openstreetmap.org/, 'cause proper maps can save lives! 2014-10-23 14:15 GMT+08:00 Nick Brown n...@nickbrown.ca: Count me in. I'll also be in Manila first two weeks of November. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Robert Banick rban...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Leonard, Sounds like a good idea. I'm taking this a little slowly because we're also still socializing with our ARC program team here. I'm in Manila right now but down to Tacloban on Friday. Perhaps I could be in Manila in early November and meet folks then? Stay tuned. Cheers, Robert On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Leonard Soriano banito_pi...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Robert, I am also interested in this project. Perhaps if you are here in Manila next month it would be good to organize a meet up where you could share and explain possible collaboration work with OSM-PH. Cheers, --bunny On Saturday, 18 October 2014, 3:27, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Robert, There is a planned project to complete the basic map of the province of Bohol. Unlike Cebu, Iloilo, Leyte, and Negros Occidental, more than half of Bohol still doesn't have readily available satellite imagery which can help with completing the map so either we try to procure imagery for the province or use the old-fashioned method of collecting GPS tracks. There was a huge earthquake almost exactly a year ago in Bohol and a fairly complete map would have been very useful back then. ~Eugene On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:21 PM, Robert Banick rban...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Eugene*,* Fantastic! We think that all three phases of Missing Maps would work in the Philippines, though the exact arrangement would depend on the site(s). There are a lot of people here in America who would like to contribute via digitization and we want to be open to that. But the real impressive work will always happen in the field and in the classroom afterwards when we digitize. To the extent possible we want to do as much of our work out of the Philippines as we can. I'll be back in the Philippines later this month and would be delighted to speak more with you all about potential opportunities. We're still lining up funding and hence can't make any promises yet, but we're very hopeful. Best, Robert On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Robert, I'm interested in bringing Missing Maps here in the Philippines. What phase of the project do you think would be best done here? If I understand correctly, the Missing Maps project can have 3 phases: an initial digitization of satellite imagery, then on-the-field data collection (names, etc.), then finally inputting the collected data. ~Eugene Hi Jim *et al*, I work in GIS for the American Red Cross. We're one of the founding agencies behind Missing Maps and are working with the Philippines Red Cross on recovery programs for Typhoon Yolanda. We'd be interested in working with OSM-PH on Missing Maps collaboations here if there's any interest on your side. We really like the idea of partnering with local OSM communities and y'all have really built a good one here. Any takers? Best, Robert Banick On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: Saw this in the Guardian and thought I'd share it http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/oct/06/missing- maps-human-genome-project-unmapped-cities Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Eu Aid Volunteers and OSM
Thanks for this article jorieke. Indeed Project NOAH is Ph govt's major effort to produce accurate hazard maps for the whole country. Osm complements these efforts as a major source of exposure data. We already trained some of noah's young scientists on how to edit/use osm data. Maning Sambale (mobile) On Oct 23, 2014 3:04 AM, Jorieke Vyncke jorieke.vyn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, As former Eu Aid Volunteer http://ec.europa.eu/echo/en/what/humanitarian-aid/eu-aid-volunteers for the Eurosha http://hot.openstreetmap.org/projects/eurosha_0project (where more then 20 european and african volunteers were deployed in four different countries in Africa to mainly promote and train local people on OpenStreetMap) I'm happy to see the Eurpean commision keeps on supporting the humanitarian use of OpenStreetMap through the Eu Aid Volunteer program! I came across a nice article about mapping in the Philippines I wanted to share with you. Here it is: http://ec.europa.eu/echo/en/field-blogs/stories/eu-aid-volunteer-uses-digital-mapping-help-prepare-disasters-phlippines Best, Jorieke ___ HOT mailing list h...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Eu Aid Volunteers and OSM
It seems the article is missing from the European Commission website so here's a mirror: http://reliefweb.int/report/philippines/eu-aid-volunteer-uses-digital-mapping-help-prepare-disasters-phlippines On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 8:50 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for this article jorieke. Indeed Project NOAH is Ph govt's major effort to produce accurate hazard maps for the whole country. Osm complements these efforts as a major source of exposure data. We already trained some of noah's young scientists on how to edit/use osm data. Maning Sambale (mobile) On Oct 23, 2014 3:04 AM, Jorieke Vyncke jorieke.vyn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, As former Eu Aid Volunteer http://ec.europa.eu/echo/en/what/humanitarian-aid/eu-aid-volunteers for the Eurosha http://hot.openstreetmap.org/projects/eurosha_0project (where more then 20 european and african volunteers were deployed in four different countries in Africa to mainly promote and train local people on OpenStreetMap) I'm happy to see the Eurpean commision keeps on supporting the humanitarian use of OpenStreetMap through the Eu Aid Volunteer program! I came across a nice article about mapping in the Philippines I wanted to share with you. Here it is: http://ec.europa.eu/echo/en/field-blogs/stories/eu-aid-volunteer-uses-digital-mapping-help-prepare-disasters-phlippines Best, Jorieke ___ HOT mailing list h...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
Een allegaartje van antwoorden en opmerkingen: - Ja, dit is een import (je kopieert data van een andere databank zonder survey) en dus moet je voldoen aan de import procedure. Deze moet dus beschreven worden en voorgelegd worden aan de import lijst. Een van de voorwaarden is een specifieke account..Je mag dus nu feitelijk nog geen data overnemen via de tool, omdat de procedure nog niet is goedgekeurd. Ik vraag me wel af in hoeverre deze werkwijze tegemoet komt aan de vragen/eisen die er met de vorige manier opdoken. - Ik heb Chrome gebruikt (te lui om ook Firefox te installeren) en hoopte dat dat ook zou werken. Sander, Welke vieze trucks heb je gebruikt omdat het enkel op Firefox zou werken ? (grapje :-) Eerst met 2840 (Rumst), daarna met de A-straten (10 of zo), dan met 1 straat. Kreeg geen resultaat. Zal later nog wel eens met Firefox proberen - Als je geen initiële survey doet, hoe weet je dan of de nummers in AGIV Crab juist zijn ? Ik wil daar niet vanuit gaan, heb al een paar problemen gezien. Ook ontbreken er soms nummer (niet alleen nieuwbouw). Als je nu de nummers gewoon overneemt, zonder controle, gaan die fouten er maar heel langzaam uitgaan. Waar geven we de voorkeur aan: geen data of data met ?? fouten. Ik heb er nog steeds geen zicht op hoe goed AGIV Crab is. 5% fouten ? meer ? minder ? Dit is volgens mij een van de vragen van de import mailing list. - Het kadaster is volgens mij niet rechtsgeldig (zie bv http://bouwinfo.be/forum/threads/136644-buurman-zet-afsluiting-1-5m-over-de-scheidingslijn/page2 ) - Het is nu de bedoeling dat de gemeenten de huizen gaan intekenen (meen ik begrepen te hebben van Gilbert). Volgens zijn contact persoon tekenen zij ook de huizen in vanaf de luchtfoto's. Moeten we daar niet nog eens contacten leggen, een presentatie geven ? - Waarvoor wil je de gegevens van de gebouwen tekenen ? Hoe groot mag de foutenmarge zijn ? Een dakgoot is volgens mij niet meer dan 1 of 2 pixels. Wat is het fouten percentage als je die volgt ? Het perspectief geeft een grotere fout. Ik wil best meewerken aan de beste kaart, maar gaat het volgen van de dakgoot de kwaliteit van de kaart zodanig naar beneden halen dat ze niet meer bruikbaar is voor je toepassing ? - Wat is het nut om een huisnummer op de voordeur van een privé woning te zetten ? Voor deur naar deur routering voor slechtzienden ? Maar dan moet het ook wel echt juist zijn. Een meter of 2 naar rechts of links helpt dan ook niet. Bij grote gebouwen (bedrijven, of evenementshallen) kan ik er nog inkomen, maar dan moet je ook entrance=... erbij zetten. Een huisnummer bij de deur plaatsen is enkel nodig indien er verschillende huisnummers in een gebouw zijn met elk een eigen ingang. En dat kan je enkel weten door een survey. - Zijn huisnummers niet belangrijker voor autonavigatie dan de gebouwen ? - oh ja, ook nog een +1 voor Glenn's antwoord i.vm. met al dan niet overtekenen van GRB kaart, de mogelijke easter eggs en zijn standpunt dat als alles correct is de 2 kaarten toch gelijk zouden moeten zijn. met vriendelijke groeten m 2014-10-23 0:15 GMT+02:00 Thomas o...@aptum.nl: Ik heb nu de laatste variant van de website van Sander even snel uitgeprobeerd; een dikke twee uur geleden werkte alles prima, maar het laatste uur krijg ik steeds een 400: bad-request van JOSM terug op het request vanaf het js-script, met daarbij “no command specified” (ongeacht welke van de 4 sets per straat ik gebruik). OSM-data inladen via de straatnaam werkt perfect. Het vergelijk met OSM werkt wel perfect, alleen het inladen in JOSM gaat dus fout. Wissen van de cache heeft geen effect (Firefox 33). Uit een aantal snelle eerste vergelijkingen lijken in mijn regio (Oostende) vrijwel alle adresposities zéér mooi uit te lijnen op het midden van de gebouwen op de AGIV-luchtfoto. Alle reeds gemaakte opmerkingen over afwijkende positionering zal volgens mij vooral gelden voor de meer plattelandsgemeenten. Ik moet het nog even goed bekijken. In elk geval voor de woonwijken in Oostende zou ik de adrespunten zeer vlot kunnen verwerken en als punt importeren, als we het eens zouden zijn dat dat de nu de beste aanpak is. Ik ben het zeker eens met het feit dat de gebouw-contouren hebben veel 'rijker' is voor de kaart dan puur de adrespositie. Toch vind ik dat die adrespositie op zichzelf waarde heeft. Volgens alle richtlijnen van OSM zijn adrespunten, naar mijn idee, zeker de moeite waard, ook al zijn de bijbehorende gebouwen nog niet ingetekend. Dat die gebouwen eigenlijk belangrijker zijn dan de nummers vind ik een terechte opmerking, maar we hebben niet de beschikking over die gegevens. Daarnaast blijf ik bij mijn eerdere standpunt dat alle gebouwen intekenen zeer veel werk is, vrij onnauwkeurig door perspectiefvertekening en schaduwwerking en buitengewoon frustrerend als over een paar maand de GRB-data alsnog open zou worden. Ikzelf zie heel vaak af van het intekenen van gebouwen vanaf de luchtfoto omwille van
Re: [OSM-talk-be] JOSM memory eater
Onder Ubuntu zit de cache folder in je home directory. standaard install : glenn@slicky:~/.josm-latest/cache$ Daar staat subdir wms bij mij. Glenn On 22-10-14 19:51, Verhoeven Fr wrote: Men kan de cache folder wijzigen van TMS, voor WMS vind ik niets, ook niet in de nieuwe JOSM versie van vandaag. Na een remove en install van de nieuwe versie van JOSM in Ubuntu is de cache inhoud niet veranderd. Voor mij is dat geen echt probleem meer, maar dat is wel een probleem als ik iemand aanzet om te mappen met JOSM en dien geen systeembeheerder of kenner is. Groeten Le 22/10/14 18:06, Marc Gemis a écrit : je kan de default locatie blijkbaar wijzigen. Meer info in http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/6248 Ik herinner me vaag dat Gilbert dit vorig jaar al eens heeft aangehaald. Er was toen ook een ticket geopend bij JOSM dacht ik, maar dus nog zonder succes. -- One can change the default location of the cache, see http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/6248 Wasn't there some discussion about this last year. Didn't somebody open a ticket ? groeten m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- Everything is going to be 200 OK. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
De problemen met Chrome zijn voorbij, Sander heeft de fix gemaakt en nu werkt het prima voor mij vanmorgend. Probeer nog eens! Glenn - Ik heb Chrome gebruikt (te lui om ook Firefox te installeren) en hoopte dat dat ook zou werken. Sander, Welke vieze trucks heb je gebruikt omdat het enkel op Firefox zou werken ? (grapje :-) Eerst met ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
Ik heb gisterenavond een straat met een tiental huisnummers ingetekend in Drogenbos. Het probleem dat ik dan echter heb, is dat op de AGIV-luchtfoto's zoveel detail te zien is, dat dat ook weer een changeset met 250 objecten geworden is... Maar dan staan alle opritten, parkings e.d. er ook meteen bij. (Het waren appartementen en bedrijfsgebouwen. Privéopritten teken ik enkel nog in als ze bijzonder lang zijn. Life is too short) Vanuit Firefox geen problemen gehad met de tool. Natuurlijk wel eerst nog even josm-latest moeten gaan afhalen. Je kan de building tools plugin zo instellen, dat als je een gebouw over een adresnode heen tekent, de adresinformatie meteen wordt overgezet naar de contour. Wat de precisie betreft, zorg ik gewoonlijk enkel dat de hoeken recht zijn en als het er zo uitziet, dat de gebouwen op elkaar uitgelijnd staan. Hiertoe teken ik dan een extra rechthoek ertussenin, alles selecteren (eventueel Selection/All connected ways), dan q. En dan die rechthoek weer weg, natuurlijk. Dat doe ik ook voor bushokjes, als er 2 of meerdere naast elkaar staan. Ik denk niet dat het op 15-30cm aankomt, maar ik vind het resultaat wel mooier als dingen uitgelijnd zijn. (Zonder de werkelijkheid geweld aan te doen, natuurlijk. Als het scheef is, komt het ook scheef op de kaart). Verder heb ik ontdekt dat de cirkelfunctie verbeterd werd. De nodes worden nu gedistribueerd en je kan ook 'o' gebruiken op een boog. Het hoeft dus geen volledige cirkel te zijn. Ik ben met tramsporen bezig in Brussel en daar komt dat dus nog wel eens van pas. Maar ook voor ronde punten is het resultaat beter als de knopen gelijkmatig verdeeld worden. Verder is er iets aangepast aan JOSM, waardoor 1-clik presets niet meer werkten. De oplossing is in de definitie van de presets geen label te gebruiken. Dan werken ze weer als handige knoppen op m'n werkbalk. Zonder die aanpassing kwam er steeds een dialoogvenster, dat ik dan honderden keren per dag moest wegklikken... Wat de adresimport betreft. Ik zal wel af en toe hier en daar 's een straat doen, maar ik ben tegenwoordig toch vooral met openbaar vervoer bezig. mvg, Jo Op 23 oktober 2014 09:04 schreef Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be: De problemen met Chrome zijn voorbij, Sander heeft de fix gemaakt en nu werkt het prima voor mij vanmorgend. Probeer nog eens! Glenn - Ik heb Chrome gebruikt (te lui om ook Firefox te installeren) en hoopte dat dat ook zou werken. Sander, Welke vieze trucks heb je gebruikt omdat het enkel op Firefox zou werken ? (grapje :-) Eerst met ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
Hey Marc, 2014-10-23 8:29 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: - Het is nu de bedoeling dat de gemeenten de huizen gaan intekenen (meen ik begrepen te hebben van Gilbert). Volgens zijn contact persoon tekenen zij ook de huizen in vanaf de luchtfoto's. Moeten we daar niet nog eens contacten leggen, een presentatie geven ? Dit klopt, binnen het AGIV is dat ook gangbaar om gebouwen ook gewoon in te tekenen vanaf de orthophoto's en trouwens ook positionering van adressen dacht ik. Er zijn wel 2 gebouwenregisters binnen AGIV dacht ik dus ik weet niet of dat voor allebei zo is. Staar je in ieder geval niet blind op de kwaliteit van het CRAB, de werkwijze is niet zo héél verschillend tov die van ons. Veel informatie in deze email thread, ik zal int weekend eens proberen alles door te nemen! ;-) Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
2014-10-23 10:18 GMT+02:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: Nog 1 opmerking. Ik kan niet overal persoonlijk gaan surveyen, vooral dan in verband met de bushaltes. We hebben tegenwoordig echter een Notessysteem dat degelijk werkt. Als er ergens onzekerheid over een adres is, lijkt het mij het beste om een Note toe te voegen en op termijn zal iemand met een mobiel toestel dat dan wel eens zien en uitklaren. Die Notes worden alleszins wel bekeken. Het enige probleem dat ik ermee zie, is dat het zo lastig is om ze te filteren, of voor jezelf als 'wontfix' te markeren. Dit doe ik ook als ik met de rijstroken bezig ben. Af en doe zie je verouderde situaties of plaatsen waarvan ik denk dat er een afslagbeperking moet komen. Zo heeft user JoL al een paar verbeteringen kunnen aanbrengen. Je truck met de building tool werkt IMHO enkel voor losstaande gebouwen, niet voor half-open of rijwoningen. Je kan dan wel 2 gebouwen tekenen en die dan aan elkaar plakken maar dan ben je weer langer bezig. Ik begin nu dikwijls met 1 huis, en via de extrude tool voeg ik de aanpalende huizen toe (met rechte hoeken). Daarna de housenumber tool erover (select - command K) en dan het volgende huis (select - command-K ) --- CTRL-K voor Windows. mvg m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
Vergeet Q niet om mooie vierkante buildings te maken. Glenn On 23-10-14 10:44, Marc Gemis wrote: 2014-10-23 10:18 GMT+02:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com mailto:winfi...@gmail.com: Nog 1 opmerking. Ik kan niet overal persoonlijk gaan surveyen, vooral dan in verband met de bushaltes. We hebben tegenwoordig echter een Notessysteem dat degelijk werkt. Als er ergens onzekerheid over een adres is, lijkt het mij het beste om een Note toe te voegen en op termijn zal iemand met een mobiel toestel dat dan wel eens zien en uitklaren. Die Notes worden alleszins wel bekeken. Het enige probleem dat ik ermee zie, is dat het zo lastig is om ze te filteren, of voor jezelf als 'wontfix' te markeren. Dit doe ik ook als ik met de rijstroken bezig ben. Af en doe zie je verouderde situaties of plaatsen waarvan ik denk dat er een afslagbeperking moet komen. Zo heeft user JoL al een paar verbeteringen kunnen aanbrengen. Je truck met de building tool werkt IMHO enkel voor losstaande gebouwen, niet voor half-open of rijwoningen. Je kan dan wel 2 gebouwen tekenen en die dan aan elkaar plakken maar dan ben je weer langer bezig. Ik begin nu dikwijls met 1 huis, en via de extrude tool voeg ik de aanpalende huizen toe (met rechte hoeken). Daarna de housenumber tool erover (select - command K) en dan het volgende huis (select - command-K ) --- CTRL-K voor Windows. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
Hooi Sander, Ik heb op een desktop onder Ubuntu http://sanderd17.github.io/import.htm http://sanderd17.github.io/import.html uitgeprobeerd op 2400, *, vinkje, 10 De eerste kolom verscheen snel maar andere gegevens bleven hangen op de Kolkstraat, daarna niets meer. Dit verschillende malen. Sus http://sanderd17.github.io/import.html ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Beginnersvraag: 2X open josm, uploaden sample.osm
Je moet al een computer met veel geheugen hebben om JOSM meerdere keren op te starten en het is inderdaad nagenoeg nooit nodig. De enige reden die ik kan bedenken, is van toen ik scriptjes aan het schrijven/uittesten was die JOSM zouden kunnen laten crashen. JOSM zelf is ondertussen veel robuuster en mijn scriptjes ook. Oh de andere reden, maar die is ook weg dankzij Overpass, is als JOSM zeer intensief bezig was met processing of downloaden van data. Als je graag op weg geholpen wordt met JOSM, wil ik wel eens een Google Hangout doen. Vanavond, of morgenavond. Gisterenavond eentje met Matthieu gedaan, maar dat kan ook met meerdere mensen tegelijk natuurlijk. Gisteren ging het nogal specifiek over fietsknooppuntennetwerken. Matthieu heeft er een nieuw 'ontdekt' in Henegouwen/Picarde. Heb jij specifieke interesses ivm data die je wilt toevoegen/bijwerken op OSM, Frank? Groeten, Jo Op 23 oktober 2014 11:04 schreef Jakka vdmfrank...@gmail.com: Dag, Had reeds vastgesteld dat ik bij gewoon mappen validatie fouten opmerkingen krijg bij uploaden. Vraag 1: Mag ik twee maal JOSM openen (conflicten?) Vraag 2: Heb oefen sessie met sample.osm gebruikt, uitgevoerd. Mag ik mijn wijzigingen uploaden ? Zou in de sample.osm dan eventueel die validatie fouten proberen te simuleren en daaruit leren begrijpen en verbeteren alvorens het in de real thing uit te voeren. Jakka ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
inderdaad, voor 2840 Rumst heb ik nu Total 6046 Missing 1774 (29.34%) Missing w/o pos 215 (4.15%) Wrong 113 (1.87%) bwa, zo weet een mens weer wat doen :-) 2014-10-23 9:04 GMT+02:00 Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be: De problemen met Chrome zijn voorbij, Sander heeft de fix gemaakt en nu werkt het prima voor mij vanmorgend. Probeer nog eens! Glenn - Ik heb Chrome gebruikt (te lui om ook Firefox te installeren) en hoopte dat dat ook zou werken. Sander, Welke vieze trucks heb je gebruikt omdat het enkel op Firefox zou werken ? (grapje :-) Eerst met ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Beginnersvraag: 2X open josm, uploaden sample.osm
sluit ik me bij aan. als ik foto's gemaakt heb, zet ik ook nog een source_ref met een link naar de fotogallerij op de changeset. 'k vind het wat overdreven om de individuele foto bij elk ding te plaatsen. Hoewel me dat al een keer goed is bevallen omdat ik een firehydrant verkeerd had getagged. Moest een waterreservoir zijn. Dankzij de bijgevoegde foto heeft iemand mij kunnen corrigeren. m 2014-10-23 12:43 GMT+02:00 Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be: Zie ook dat wanneer je manuele validatie doet dat je geen way of zo geselecteerd hebt, want van tijd (bij mij toch) valideert hij enkel de selectie en moet je zo even op de zwarte achtergrond klikken voor je de validator manueel draait. Ik ben zware voorstander om steeds validatiefouten eruit te halen, n'importe vanwaar ze komen, van mijn voorganger of van mezelf. Van tijd zijn er onschuldige bij, bv. validatie van public transport relaties krijg ik steeds waarschuwingen van. Validatie van relaties moet je wat mee opletten, je zal bv een andere foutmelding krijgen wanneer je maar een deel van de child nodes hebt staan (incomplete members dus in engelstalige JOSM). Ik download dan ook de members eerst om zeker te zijn dat het onschuldig is. Errors MOET je wel verbeteren gewoon voor upload. Conflicten kunnen alleen onstaan wanneer je een commit doet van je changeset en ondertussen is er een andere changeset die impact heeft op uw data. maw, iemand heeft iets gedownload + geupload terwijl je aan het editten bent. Vroeger maakt ik vaak huge changesets, daar ben ik van aan het terugkomen, nu maak ik kleintjes, dit heeft praktische voordelen voor de persoon die na (of tijdens) jouw werk langskomt maar ook voor jezelf. Altijd gemakkelijker om die terug te rollen. Voor de rest is er maar 1 ding dat me stoort en dat zijn geen goede of uitgebreide changeset comments, of voor eeuwig + 3 jaar dezelfde gebruiken, zoals TAA doet. Dat heeft geen zin, geen nut en werkt zelfs averechts, dan nog liever niets. https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TAA/history Ik probeer ook steeds bronnen te vermelden zodat iemand die denkt dat ik verkeerd ben zelf kan zien vanwaar de mosterd kwam, hopelijk helpt dat hen om te overtuigen van 'mijn gelijk/ongelijk' en een betere beslissing te nemen. Survey dates bv. Validatie is echt heel belangrijk voor cleanup. Glenn On 23-10-14 11:31, Sander Deryckere wrote: Op 23 oktober 2014 11:04 schreef Jakka vdmfrank...@gmail.com mailto:vdmfrank...@gmail.com: Dag, Had reeds vastgesteld dat ik bij gewoon mappen validatie fouten opmerkingen krijg bij uploaden. Vraag 1: Mag ik twee maal JOSM openen (conflicten?) Beter niet. Je kan in JOSM gewoon een nieuwe layer aanmaken (CTRL+N) en dan in die layer data downloaden, bewerken, uploaden, ... Je kan layers verbergen door op het oog-icoontje naast de layer te klikken. Het is dus nergens voor nodig om JOSM meerdere keren te openen. Vraag 2: Heb oefen sessie met sample.osm gebruikt, uitgevoerd. Mag ik mijn wijzigingen uploaden ? Zou in de sample.osm dan eventueel die validatie fouten proberen te simuleren en daaruit leren begrijpen en verbeteren alvorens het in de real thing uit te voeren. Jakka Als je op uploaden klikt, dan zal de validator eerst de data valideren. Zonder het te uploaden. Daarna krijg je de kans om commentaar in te geven. En pas daarna wordt de data echt naar de server verzonden. Dus die eerste stappen (tot het commentaar ingeven) kan je altijd uitvoeren. De OSM server zelf voert (bijna geen) validatie uit. Je kan trouwens ook de validator zelf doen werken, zonder op de upload knop te drukken. Zoek in de linker balk het validatie icoontje (blauwe V), als je daar op klikt, dan verschijnt het validatie venster in de rechter balk. Daar heb je dan knoppen om de data te valideren. Groeten, Sander ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- Everything is going to be 200 OK. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
Bij mij werkt alles inmiddels weer prima. Mogelijk was het probleem aan mezelf te wijten en heb ik per ongeluk de niet-laatste variant van JOSM opgestart na een crash eerder gisteravond. Deze variant ging inderdaad niet goed om met het request vanuit de browser, zoals Sander al eerder signaleerde. Over het intekenen van gebouwen via luchtfoto's. Het gaat mij inderdaad niet om die dakgoot van enkele centimeters maar om de perspectiefvertekening; dat gaat over meters. Zowel bij de luchtfoto van het AGIV als die van Bing geldt dat als als de betreffende locatie zich relatief ver van de loodlijn van de satelliet / vliegtuig bevond, er een aanzienlijke vertekening is (ondanks de orthorectificatie waarbij de vertekeningen door hoogteverschillen op het grondvlak weggewerkt worden). Ik heb even een voorbeeldje gemaakt van een aantal huizen in Oostende:http://downloader.aptum.nl/ImageryOffset.jpg . In het rood aangegeven is de daklijn zoals 'men' (ik in elk geval) geneigd is in te tekenen. In het blauw de 'correcte' lijn door rekening te houden met het perspectief (ervan uitgaande dat de georefererentie 'nauwkeurig' is). Die rode lijn intekenen is vrij simpel. Die blauwe vind ik pure ellende, met name omdat de hoekpunten heel vaak verstopt liggen in het perspectief. In dit geval is de foto van linksonder genomen, aardig in lijn met de straat, waardoor de perspectiefvervorming hier enkel in de breedte van de huizen optreedt en niet in de diepte. Dit is dus absoluut geen extreem geval. Omdat de daken niet even hoog komen, lijkt het alsof het ene huis dieper is dan het andere. Ik ken de situatie ter plaatse en dat is niet het geval. In dit geval zijn de Bing-beelden meer van loodrecht boven de locatie genomen. Daarmee is de perspectiefvertekening veel minder en passen de blauwe lijnen heel netjes over de daklijnen. Op de GRB-kaart zie je dat de blauwe lijn heel aardig klopt. Toch zou je op basis van de AGIV-foto het idee kunnen krijgen dat ze onnauwkeurig ingetekend zijn. Het verschil tussen de blauwe en rode lijnen bedraagt in dit geval ongeveer 2,5m. Enerzijds is dat een beperkte fout, maar anderzijds kan dat wel voor miserie zorgen bij de CRAB-import. Zoals je op mijn voorbeeld al kunt zien, lijnen de adrespunten (de kleine witte cijfertjes) op het verkeerde dak uit. Ze liggen nog net niet in het naastgelegen rode perceel. In andere situaties kan dat wel het geval zijn. Wat mij betreft is dit zeker een aandachtspunt in de workflow, met name bij rijtjeshuizen. Het is ook de reden dat ik (zeker in mijn omgeving) een hekel heb aan het intekenen van gebouwen; het is zeer lastig om het enigszins nauwkeurig te doen. Als probleem voor de import valt het overigens wel mee. De meeste bebouwing op OSM in België ontbreekt nog. Daarnaast zijn de gebouwen die wel ingetekend zijn meestal vrijstaande woningen. De bestaande problematiek is dus zeker nog te overzien. Het wordt volgens mij vooral een issue als bij de import van de CRAB-gegevens massaal ingetekend worden van de AGIV-luchtfoto zonder met dit effect rekening te houden. Ik twijfel er niet aan dat er dan heel wat CRAB-punten boven een anders-genummerd OSM-gebouw komen te vallen. Bij foutcontrole kan dat een probleem vormen, maar dat hangt natuurlijk af van hoe die controle ingebouwd wordt. Groeten, Thomas Marc Gemis schreef op 23-10-2014 8:29: Een allegaartje van antwoorden en opmerkingen: - Ja, dit is een import (je kopieert data van een andere databank zonder survey) en dus moet je voldoen aan de import procedure. Deze moet dus beschreven worden en voorgelegd worden aan de import lijst. Een van de voorwaarden is een specifieke account..Je mag dus nu feitelijk nog geen data overnemen via de tool, omdat de procedure nog niet is goedgekeurd. Ik vraag me wel af in hoeverre deze werkwijze tegemoet komt aan de vragen/eisen die er met de vorige manier opdoken. - Ik heb Chrome gebruikt (te lui om ook Firefox te installeren) en hoopte dat dat ook zou werken. Sander, Welke vieze trucks heb je gebruikt omdat het enkel op Firefox zou werken ? (grapje :-) Eerst met 2840 (Rumst), daarna met de A-straten (10 of zo), dan met 1 straat. Kreeg geen resultaat. Zal later nog wel eens met Firefox proberen - Als je geen initiële survey doet, hoe weet je dan of de nummers in AGIV Crab juist zijn ? Ik wil daar niet vanuit gaan, heb al een paar problemen gezien. Ook ontbreken er soms nummer (niet alleen nieuwbouw). Als je nu de nummers gewoon overneemt, zonder controle, gaan die fouten er maar heel langzaam uitgaan. Waar geven we de voorkeur aan: geen data of data met ?? fouten. Ik heb er nog steeds geen zicht op hoe goed AGIV Crab is. 5% fouten ? meer ? minder ? Dit is volgens mij een van de vragen van de import mailing list. - Het kadaster is volgens mij niet rechtsgeldig (zie bv http://bouwinfo.be/forum/threads/136644-buurman-zet-afsluiting-1-5m-over-de-scheidingslijn/page2 ) - Het is nu de bedoeling dat de
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
In zo'n geval probeer ik vooral naar de tuinafscheidingen te kijken. die zijn veel lager en geven een minder grote afwijking 2014-10-23 13:56 GMT+02:00 Thomas o...@aptum.nl: Bij mij werkt alles inmiddels weer prima. Mogelijk was het probleem aan mezelf te wijten en heb ik per ongeluk de niet-laatste variant van JOSM opgestart na een crash eerder gisteravond. Deze variant ging inderdaad niet goed om met het request vanuit de browser, zoals Sander al eerder signaleerde. Over het intekenen van gebouwen via luchtfoto's. Het gaat mij inderdaad niet om die dakgoot van enkele centimeters maar om de perspectiefvertekening; dat gaat over meters. Zowel bij de luchtfoto van het AGIV als die van Bing geldt dat als als de betreffende locatie zich relatief ver van de loodlijn van de satelliet / vliegtuig bevond, er een aanzienlijke vertekening is (ondanks de orthorectificatie waarbij de vertekeningen door hoogteverschillen op het grondvlak weggewerkt worden). Ik heb even een voorbeeldje gemaakt van een aantal huizen in Oostende: http://downloader.aptum.nl/ImageryOffset.jpg . In het rood aangegeven is de daklijn zoals 'men' (ik in elk geval) geneigd is in te tekenen. In het blauw de 'correcte' lijn door rekening te houden met het perspectief (ervan uitgaande dat de georefererentie 'nauwkeurig' is). Die rode lijn intekenen is vrij simpel. Die blauwe vind ik pure ellende, met name omdat de hoekpunten heel vaak verstopt liggen in het perspectief. In dit geval is de foto van linksonder genomen, aardig in lijn met de straat, waardoor de perspectiefvervorming hier enkel in de breedte van de huizen optreedt en niet in de diepte. Dit is dus absoluut geen extreem geval. Omdat de daken niet even hoog komen, lijkt het alsof het ene huis dieper is dan het andere. Ik ken de situatie ter plaatse en dat is niet het geval. In dit geval zijn de Bing-beelden meer van loodrecht boven de locatie genomen. Daarmee is de perspectiefvertekening veel minder en passen de blauwe lijnen heel netjes over de daklijnen. Op de GRB-kaart zie je dat de blauwe lijn heel aardig klopt. Toch zou je op basis van de AGIV-foto het idee kunnen krijgen dat ze onnauwkeurig ingetekend zijn. Het verschil tussen de blauwe en rode lijnen bedraagt in dit geval ongeveer 2,5m. Enerzijds is dat een beperkte fout, maar anderzijds kan dat wel voor miserie zorgen bij de CRAB-import. Zoals je op mijn voorbeeld al kunt zien, lijnen de adrespunten (de kleine witte cijfertjes) op het verkeerde dak uit. Ze liggen nog net niet in het naastgelegen rode perceel. In andere situaties kan dat wel het geval zijn. Wat mij betreft is dit zeker een aandachtspunt in de workflow, met name bij rijtjeshuizen. Het is ook de reden dat ik (zeker in mijn omgeving) een hekel heb aan het intekenen van gebouwen; het is zeer lastig om het enigszins nauwkeurig te doen. Als probleem voor de import valt het overigens wel mee. De meeste bebouwing op OSM in België ontbreekt nog. Daarnaast zijn de gebouwen die wel ingetekend zijn meestal vrijstaande woningen. De bestaande problematiek is dus zeker nog te overzien. Het wordt volgens mij vooral een issue als bij de import van de CRAB-gegevens massaal ingetekend worden van de AGIV-luchtfoto zonder met dit effect rekening te houden. Ik twijfel er niet aan dat er dan heel wat CRAB-punten boven een anders-genummerd OSM-gebouw komen te vallen. Bij foutcontrole kan dat een probleem vormen, maar dat hangt natuurlijk af van hoe die controle ingebouwd wordt. Groeten, Thomas Marc Gemis schreef op 23-10-2014 8:29: Een allegaartje van antwoorden en opmerkingen: - Ja, dit is een import (je kopieert data van een andere databank zonder survey) en dus moet je voldoen aan de import procedure. Deze moet dus beschreven worden en voorgelegd worden aan de import lijst. Een van de voorwaarden is een specifieke account..Je mag dus nu feitelijk nog geen data overnemen via de tool, omdat de procedure nog niet is goedgekeurd. Ik vraag me wel af in hoeverre deze werkwijze tegemoet komt aan de vragen/eisen die er met de vorige manier opdoken. - Ik heb Chrome gebruikt (te lui om ook Firefox te installeren) en hoopte dat dat ook zou werken. Sander, Welke vieze trucks heb je gebruikt omdat het enkel op Firefox zou werken ? (grapje :-) Eerst met 2840 (Rumst), daarna met de A-straten (10 of zo), dan met 1 straat. Kreeg geen resultaat. Zal later nog wel eens met Firefox proberen - Als je geen initiële survey doet, hoe weet je dan of de nummers in AGIV Crab juist zijn ? Ik wil daar niet vanuit gaan, heb al een paar problemen gezien. Ook ontbreken er soms nummer (niet alleen nieuwbouw). Als je nu de nummers gewoon overneemt, zonder controle, gaan die fouten er maar heel langzaam uitgaan. Waar geven we de voorkeur aan: geen data of data met ?? fouten. Ik heb er nog steeds geen zicht op hoe goed AGIV Crab is. 5% fouten ? meer ? minder ? Dit is volgens mij een van de vragen van de import mailing list. - Het
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
Ha, Zo te zien heeft Sus perongeluk shift-lock opstaan, ik ben een qwerty man maar dit lijkt toch sterk op dat dit nummer 25 moet zijn op azerty. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Belgian_keyboard_layout.png/720px-Belgian_keyboard_layout.png misschien als sideshow dit soort errors melden (die zouden natuurlijk ook prima met overpass alleen kunnen gevonden worden). @Thomas, uw zorgen zijn gerechtvaardigd. Er is een wiki pagina die dit ook uitlegt hoe je ermee omgaat. Maar het is een heel goed punt wel dat je maakt, je moet erbij nadenken. OSM zou zoveel fun niet zijn als het enkel monkeywerk was natuurlijk. Zie http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Roof_modelling Glenn On 23-10-14 13:53, Sander Deryckere wrote: Op 23 oktober 2014 11:52 schreef Verhoeven Fr sus...@gmail.com mailto:sus...@gmail.com: Hooi Sander, Ik heb op een desktop onder Ubuntu http://sanderd17.github.io/import.htm http://sanderd17.github.io/import.html uitgeprobeerd op 2400, *, vinkje, 10 De eerste kolom verscheen snel maar andere gegevens bleven hangen op de Kolkstraat, daarna niets meer. Dit verschillende malen. Sus http://sanderd17.github.io/import.html Interessant. Ik verwerk momenteel ook dubbele huisnummers. Zo zal 42-44 in OSM matchen met twee nodes 42 en 44 in CRAB. Daarvoor gebruik ik reguliere expressies (regex). Deze worden gemaakt van de data die in OSM aanwezig is. Maar in het geval van de kolkstraat, daar is er een huis met een wel heel eigenaardig huisnummer: http://osm.org/way/135153583 Dit huis zorgde er voor dat mijn regex niet geldig was, waardoor het script weigerde verder te werken, en alles op loading... bleef staan. Nu moet dit opgelost zijn. Groeten, Sander ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- Everything is going to be 200 OK. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
Op 23 oktober 2014 14:07 schreef Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be: Ha, Zo te zien heeft Sus perongeluk shift-lock opstaan, ik ben een qwerty man maar dit lijkt toch sterk op dat dit nummer 25 moet zijn op azerty. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Belgian_keyboard_layout.png/720px-Belgian_keyboard_layout.png misschien als sideshow dit soort errors melden (die zouden natuurlijk ook prima met overpass alleen kunnen gevonden worden). Die worden vermeld in de kolom wrong. Meestal gaat het in die kolom over tikfouten van één of andere aard, maar het zou ook kunnen dat de CRAB data gewoon verouderd of verkeerd is. Dus altijd opletten als je schijnbaar geldige data ziet in die kolom. Over een huisnummer als é( moet je natuurlijk niet twijfelen. Momenteel heeft de Kolkstraat 1 wrong huisnummer. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Beginnersvraag: 2X open josm, uploaden sample.osm
On 2014-10-23 11:04, Jakka wrote : Dag, Had reeds vastgesteld dat ik bij gewoon mappen validatie fouten opmerkingen krijg bij uploaden. Vraag 1: Mag ik twee maal JOSM openen (conflicten?) Had already found that I get errors when uploading comments by ordinary folders validation Question 1:. Can I open twice JOSM (conflicts?) No more conflicts than when several contributors run JOSM on their own systems. However: the saved preferences will be those of the last closed JOSM (preference changes made by the others will be lost) only the first instance listens for remote controls ? maybe more rarely experienced side effects It's rarely needed to start a second instance because multiple layers (windows) can be opened. But sometimes you may want not to pollute a complicated, dormant job with several layers open and prefer to open a new JOSM for a quick job. Note that there is a "latest snapshot" JOSM package that installs as a second application using its own preference folder (~..josm) that is ideal for application tests. Vraag 2: Heb oefen sessie met sample.osm gebruikt, uitgevoerd. Mag ik mijn wijzigingen uploaden ? Zou in de sample.osm dan eventueel die validatie fouten proberen te simuleren en daaruit leren begrijpen en verbeteren alvorens het in de real thing uit te voeren. Question 2: Home Do practice session used sample.osm performed. Can I upload my changes? Books Would the sample.osm than any validation errors that try to simulate and from that understanding and improvement before to perform. The real thing Not really understood. André. Dutch - detected English French Russian English French Russian ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
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Sander, is het mogelijk dat een straat met een accent in, je scriptje of de html/JavaScript in de problemen brengt ? 2840 Rumst, werken de missing numbers tot aan de Seringenlaan, maar vanaf 's Herenbaan werkt het niet meer. voor de straat laat hij iets totaal anders, voor de ontbrekende nummers niets. voor alle straten erna laat hij steeds datzelfde vreemde stuk in. andere mogelijkheid van narigheid is dat deze straat op de grens van 2 gemeenten valt. Ze is trouwens niet te bekennen onder 2850 Boom als ik op s* zoek. Vandaar waarschijnlijk het groot aantal ontbrekende nummers, wat dus mijn aanleiding was om hier eerst naar te kijken veel debug plezier m 2014-10-23 14:34 GMT+02:00 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com: Op 23 oktober 2014 14:07 schreef Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be: Ha, Zo te zien heeft Sus perongeluk shift-lock opstaan, ik ben een qwerty man maar dit lijkt toch sterk op dat dit nummer 25 moet zijn op azerty. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Belgian_keyboard_layout.png/720px-Belgian_keyboard_layout.png misschien als sideshow dit soort errors melden (die zouden natuurlijk ook prima met overpass alleen kunnen gevonden worden). Die worden vermeld in de kolom wrong. Meestal gaat het in die kolom over tikfouten van één of andere aard, maar het zou ook kunnen dat de CRAB data gewoon verouderd of verkeerd is. Dus altijd opletten als je schijnbaar geldige data ziet in die kolom. Over een huisnummer als é( moet je natuurlijk niet twijfelen. Momenteel heeft de Kolkstraat 1 wrong huisnummer. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
Op 23 oktober 2014 17:47 schreef Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: Sander, is het mogelijk dat een straat met een accent in, je scriptje of de html/JavaScript in de problemen brengt ? 2840 Rumst, werken de missing numbers tot aan de Seringenlaan, maar vanaf 's Herenbaan werkt het niet meer. Er waren inderdaad problemen met enkele quotes. Bedankt voor de melding. Nu moet het werken. Er is wel nog iets raar met die straat. Er is één van de punten die vlak ten noorden van Parijs ligt. De eerste poging tot import had ook dergelijke punten, maar ik vraag me af hoe het mogelijk is dat een geïsoleerd punt daar komt te liggen. Op de GRB basiskaart zie je ook dat nummer 98 niet aanwezig is. Terwijl het tamelijk duidelijk is waar het moet liggen. Volgens mij is dat een fout in CRAB. (door die fout kan je ook de straat niet laden, aangezien de BBOX zowat volledig Noord-Frankrijk omvat). voor de straat laat hij iets totaal anders, voor de ontbrekende nummers niets. voor alle straten erna laat hij steeds datzelfde vreemde stuk in. He, dat was een andere bug die ik net geïntroduceerd had :D andere mogelijkheid van narigheid is dat deze straat op de grens van 2 gemeenten valt. Ze is trouwens niet te bekennen onder 2850 Boom als ik op s* zoek. Moest je op 's* zoeken zou het moeten lukken (of zelfs '*). Ik ben van plan dat zo te laten, sorteren op de eerste letters die er in voorkomen is één ding, maar ook de speciale tekens weglaten bij een filter is iets moeilijker (vooral omdat die filter ook gebruikt wordt door Overpass, die sowieso rekening houdt met de ' aan het begin). Vandaar waarschijnlijk het groot aantal ontbrekende nummers, wat dus mijn aanleiding was om hier eerst naar te kijken veel debug plezier De fout was enkel in de export functie. Dus die nummers zijn nog altijd even hoog. Het probleem is dat de vergelijking (nog) geen associatedstreet relatie ondersteunt. En eist dat er een addr:street tag is (aangezien dit min-of-meer overeengekomen was tijdens de vorige discussie). De tool aanpassen is mogelijk, maar zal toch ettelijke lijnen extra code vragen (associatedstreet en addr:street zijn totaal verschillend van concept). Groeten, Sander ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
Sander, De kolkstraat 25 is een fout van mij en is al verbeterdt. Nu krijg ik de volledige lijst op de desktop Ubuntu. Maar wanneer ik op een van de getallen het schermke load in JOSM aanklik dat springt de pointer gewoon enkele regels verder en niets anders. Moet JOSM dan gewoon openen ? Op een Netbook onder Win8.1 krijg ik de 404 . :-( Sus Le 23/10/14 14:34, Sander Deryckere a écrit : Op 23 oktober 2014 14:07 schreef Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be mailto:gl...@byte-consult.be: Ha, Zo te zien heeft Sus perongeluk shift-lock opstaan, ik ben een qwerty man maar dit lijkt toch sterk op dat dit nummer 25 moet zijn op azerty. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Belgian_keyboard_layout.png/720px-Belgian_keyboard_layout.png misschien als sideshow dit soort errors melden (die zouden natuurlijk ook prima met overpass alleen kunnen gevonden worden). Die worden vermeld in de kolom wrong. Meestal gaat het in die kolom over tikfouten van één of andere aard, maar het zou ook kunnen dat de CRAB data gewoon verouderd of verkeerd is. Dus altijd opletten als je schijnbaar geldige data ziet in die kolom. Over een huisnummer als é( moet je natuurlijk niet twijfelen. Momenteel heeft de Kolkstraat 1 wrong huisnummer. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
JOSM moet aan staan voordat je die links kan gebruiken (misschien moet ik daar ook een popup voor maken, zoals op osm.org). Op 23 oktober 2014 20:24 schreef Verhoeven Fr sus...@gmail.com: Sander, De kolkstraat 25 is een fout van mij en is al verbeterdt. Nu krijg ik de volledige lijst op de desktop Ubuntu. Maar wanneer ik op een van de getallen het schermke load in JOSM aanklik dat springt de pointer gewoon enkele regels verder en niets anders. Moet JOSM dan gewoon openen ? Op een Netbook onder Win8.1 krijg ik de 404 . :-( Sus Le 23/10/14 14:34, Sander Deryckere a écrit : Op 23 oktober 2014 14:07 schreef Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be: Ha, Zo te zien heeft Sus perongeluk shift-lock opstaan, ik ben een qwerty man maar dit lijkt toch sterk op dat dit nummer 25 moet zijn op azerty. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Belgian_keyboard_layout.png/720px-Belgian_keyboard_layout.png misschien als sideshow dit soort errors melden (die zouden natuurlijk ook prima met overpass alleen kunnen gevonden worden). Die worden vermeld in de kolom wrong. Meestal gaat het in die kolom over tikfouten van één of andere aard, maar het zou ook kunnen dat de CRAB data gewoon verouderd of verkeerd is. Dus altijd opletten als je schijnbaar geldige data ziet in die kolom. Over een huisnummer als é( moet je natuurlijk niet twijfelen. Momenteel heeft de Kolkstraat 1 wrong huisnummer. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
Geen probleem voor de associatedStreet relatie, ik heb nu expliciet addr:street opgezet Dat was mijn oudere tagwijze, die ik op heel wat plaatsen al heb aangepast, maar blijkbaar nog niet daar. Nummer 98 staat er nog maar iets meer dan een jaar, dus best mogelijk dat die nog niet in Crab staat. Gezien de kwaliteit van de rest van Crab in Rumst Boom is dat misschien niet verwonderlijk :-) groeten m 2014-10-23 18:32 GMT+02:00 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com: Op 23 oktober 2014 17:47 schreef Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: Sander, is het mogelijk dat een straat met een accent in, je scriptje of de html/JavaScript in de problemen brengt ? 2840 Rumst, werken de missing numbers tot aan de Seringenlaan, maar vanaf 's Herenbaan werkt het niet meer. Er waren inderdaad problemen met enkele quotes. Bedankt voor de melding. Nu moet het werken. Er is wel nog iets raar met die straat. Er is één van de punten die vlak ten noorden van Parijs ligt. De eerste poging tot import had ook dergelijke punten, maar ik vraag me af hoe het mogelijk is dat een geïsoleerd punt daar komt te liggen. Op de GRB basiskaart zie je ook dat nummer 98 niet aanwezig is. Terwijl het tamelijk duidelijk is waar het moet liggen. Volgens mij is dat een fout in CRAB. (door die fout kan je ook de straat niet laden, aangezien de BBOX zowat volledig Noord-Frankrijk omvat). voor de straat laat hij iets totaal anders, voor de ontbrekende nummers niets. voor alle straten erna laat hij steeds datzelfde vreemde stuk in. He, dat was een andere bug die ik net geïntroduceerd had :D andere mogelijkheid van narigheid is dat deze straat op de grens van 2 gemeenten valt. Ze is trouwens niet te bekennen onder 2850 Boom als ik op s* zoek. Moest je op 's* zoeken zou het moeten lukken (of zelfs '*). Ik ben van plan dat zo te laten, sorteren op de eerste letters die er in voorkomen is één ding, maar ook de speciale tekens weglaten bij een filter is iets moeilijker (vooral omdat die filter ook gebruikt wordt door Overpass, die sowieso rekening houdt met de ' aan het begin). Vandaar waarschijnlijk het groot aantal ontbrekende nummers, wat dus mijn aanleiding was om hier eerst naar te kijken veel debug plezier De fout was enkel in de export functie. Dus die nummers zijn nog altijd even hoog. Het probleem is dat de vergelijking (nog) geen associatedstreet relatie ondersteunt. En eist dat er een addr:street tag is (aangezien dit min-of-meer overeengekomen was tijdens de vorige discussie). De tool aanpassen is mogelijk, maar zal toch ettelijke lijnen extra code vragen (associatedstreet en addr:street zijn totaal verschillend van concept). Groeten, Sander ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
Inderdaad Sus, om de links onder de nummertjes te laten werken, moet je JOSM draaien. Het moet bovendien de laatste versie zijn, die eerder deze week is vrijgegeven. Verder moet je de Remote Control van JOSM aanzetten. met vriendelijke groeten m 2014-10-23 20:24 GMT+02:00 Verhoeven Fr sus...@gmail.com: Sander, De kolkstraat 25 is een fout van mij en is al verbeterdt. Nu krijg ik de volledige lijst op de desktop Ubuntu. Maar wanneer ik op een van de getallen het schermke load in JOSM aanklik dat springt de pointer gewoon enkele regels verder en niets anders. Moet JOSM dan gewoon openen ? Op een Netbook onder Win8.1 krijg ik de 404 . :-( Sus Le 23/10/14 14:34, Sander Deryckere a écrit : Op 23 oktober 2014 14:07 schreef Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be: Ha, Zo te zien heeft Sus perongeluk shift-lock opstaan, ik ben een qwerty man maar dit lijkt toch sterk op dat dit nummer 25 moet zijn op azerty. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Belgian_keyboard_layout.png/720px-Belgian_keyboard_layout.png misschien als sideshow dit soort errors melden (die zouden natuurlijk ook prima met overpass alleen kunnen gevonden worden). Die worden vermeld in de kolom wrong. Meestal gaat het in die kolom over tikfouten van één of andere aard, maar het zou ook kunnen dat de CRAB data gewoon verouderd of verkeerd is. Dus altijd opletten als je schijnbaar geldige data ziet in die kolom. Over een huisnummer als é( moet je natuurlijk niet twijfelen. Momenteel heeft de Kolkstraat 1 wrong huisnummer. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Negeer dit bericht testen thunderbird
Jakka schreef op 23/10/2014 om 13:53: Kan niet beantwoorden. Controleer nu of ik rechtstreeks kan posten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be knop allen beantwoorden eens testen ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Negeer dit bericht testen thunderbird
Die werkt wel. Jo Op 23 oktober 2014 21:18 schreef Jakka vdmfrank...@gmail.com: Jakka schreef op 23/10/2014 om 13:53: Kan niet beantwoorden. Controleer nu of ik rechtstreeks kan posten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be knop allen beantwoorden eens testen ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
In Ubuntu op de desktop werkt het nu :-) . Morgen probeer ik de netbook onder Win8.1 Bedankt iedereen voor al de moeite. Sus Le 23/10/14 20:47, Marc Gemis a écrit : Inderdaad Sus, om de links onder de nummertjes te laten werken, moet je JOSM draaien. Het moet bovendien de laatste versie zijn, die eerder deze week is vrijgegeven. Verder moet je de Remote Control van JOSM aanzetten. met vriendelijke groeten m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
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Nadat ik die geladen heb, zie ik de nodes niet zo duidelijk. Dus MapCSS to the rescue: node[addr:housenumber]:new::housenumber {text-color: blue; font-size: 25; text: tag(addr:housenumber); text-halo-radius: 2; text-offset-y: 30;} Enkel de nieuwe nodes worden er uit gelicht. Jo Op 23 oktober 2014 20:47 schreef Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: Inderdaad Sus, om de links onder de nummertjes te laten werken, moet je JOSM draaien. Het moet bovendien de laatste versie zijn, die eerder deze week is vrijgegeven. Verder moet je de Remote Control van JOSM aanzetten. met vriendelijke groeten m 2014-10-23 20:24 GMT+02:00 Verhoeven Fr sus...@gmail.com: Sander, De kolkstraat 25 is een fout van mij en is al verbeterdt. Nu krijg ik de volledige lijst op de desktop Ubuntu. Maar wanneer ik op een van de getallen het schermke load in JOSM aanklik dat springt de pointer gewoon enkele regels verder en niets anders. Moet JOSM dan gewoon openen ? Op een Netbook onder Win8.1 krijg ik de 404 . :-( Sus Le 23/10/14 14:34, Sander Deryckere a écrit : Op 23 oktober 2014 14:07 schreef Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be: Ha, Zo te zien heeft Sus perongeluk shift-lock opstaan, ik ben een qwerty man maar dit lijkt toch sterk op dat dit nummer 25 moet zijn op azerty. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Belgian_keyboard_layout.png/720px-Belgian_keyboard_layout.png misschien als sideshow dit soort errors melden (die zouden natuurlijk ook prima met overpass alleen kunnen gevonden worden). Die worden vermeld in de kolom wrong. Meestal gaat het in die kolom over tikfouten van één of andere aard, maar het zou ook kunnen dat de CRAB data gewoon verouderd of verkeerd is. Dus altijd opletten als je schijnbaar geldige data ziet in die kolom. Over een huisnummer als é( moet je natuurlijk niet twijfelen. Momenteel heeft de Kolkstraat 1 wrong huisnummer. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] Weekly OSM
Hi, I would like to announce a new thing I am trying to do that is very simple but should introduce some continuity in our communication. I have posted the first translation of the Weekly OSM blog in dutch on osm.be: http://osm.be/nl/content/weekly-osm-news-221 Someone can translate into french if they want to. I can give you access to the website. Will post this tomorrow on the twitter account and the facebook group too. If you have osm-related news I should add please let me know. I will as always follow the mailinglist and sometime extract things I find newsworthy but feel free to nominate things you feel inportant and tell me. Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
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Jo, als je wil, dan kan ik ook optioneel enkele tags toevoegen aan de nodes. Zodat je per type node (geïmporteerd, verkeerd, zonder positie, ...) een eigen stijl kan kiezen (natuurlijk moeten die extra tags wel verwijderd worden voor het uploaden. Weet niet als je dit handig vindt, maar het is niet zoveel werk. Ik schrijf niet graag CSS, dat zie je ook aan die webpagina ;) Groeten, Sander Op 23-okt.-2014 22:25 schreef Jo winfi...@gmail.com: Nadat ik die geladen heb, zie ik de nodes niet zo duidelijk. Dus MapCSS to the rescue: node[addr:housenumber]:new::housenumber {text-color: blue; font-size: 25; text: tag(addr:housenumber); text-halo-radius: 2; text-offset-y: 30;} Enkel de nieuwe nodes worden er uit gelicht. Jo Op 23 oktober 2014 20:47 schreef Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: Inderdaad Sus, om de links onder de nummertjes te laten werken, moet je JOSM draaien. Het moet bovendien de laatste versie zijn, die eerder deze week is vrijgegeven. Verder moet je de Remote Control van JOSM aanzetten. met vriendelijke groeten m 2014-10-23 20:24 GMT+02:00 Verhoeven Fr sus...@gmail.com: Sander, De kolkstraat 25 is een fout van mij en is al verbeterdt. Nu krijg ik de volledige lijst op de desktop Ubuntu. Maar wanneer ik op een van de getallen het schermke load in JOSM aanklik dat springt de pointer gewoon enkele regels verder en niets anders. Moet JOSM dan gewoon openen ? Op een Netbook onder Win8.1 krijg ik de 404 . :-( Sus Le 23/10/14 14:34, Sander Deryckere a écrit : Op 23 oktober 2014 14:07 schreef Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be: Ha, Zo te zien heeft Sus perongeluk shift-lock opstaan, ik ben een qwerty man maar dit lijkt toch sterk op dat dit nummer 25 moet zijn op azerty. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Belgian_keyboard_layout.png/720px-Belgian_keyboard_layout.png misschien als sideshow dit soort errors melden (die zouden natuurlijk ook prima met overpass alleen kunnen gevonden worden). Die worden vermeld in de kolom wrong. Meestal gaat het in die kolom over tikfouten van één of andere aard, maar het zou ook kunnen dat de CRAB data gewoon verouderd of verkeerd is. Dus altijd opletten als je schijnbaar geldige data ziet in die kolom. Over een huisnummer als é( moet je natuurlijk niet twijfelen. Momenteel heeft de Kolkstraat 1 wrong huisnummer. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
Ik heb nu de CRAB-data voor een hele verzameling straten in en rond Oostende bestudeerd. In het algemeen vind ik dat de data vrij nauwkeurig is. Een enkele keer merkte ik op dat twee naast elkaar gelegen huisnummers met elkaar omgewisseld lijken te zijn. In werkelijkheid nummert alles gewoon netjes door, maar in GRB en CadGIS lijken de nummers ook omgewisseld te staan. Ik veronderstel dat we in dat soort gevallen de nummerplaatjes bij het huis moeten aanhouden. Toch bijzonder dat al die “officiële” datasets die kennelijke fout bevatten. Verder zijn er wel vaak heel wat nummers zonder locatie. Het betreffen vrijwel altijd nummers met een toevoeging (meestal het huisnummer waar ze bijhoren, een underscore en dan de toevoeging; vb 22_03). Soms zijn het schijnbaar gewone nummers. De nummers komen nooit voor op het GRB, maar soms komt hetzelfde huisnummer zonder toevoeging wél voor op het GRB. Ik begrijp niet goed of dat nu de subadressen zijn binnen CRAB of gewone adressen, maar dan een bisnummers (zie ook https://www.agiv.be/~/media/agiv/producten/crab/documenten/xgrabobjectcataloogv114.pdf pagina 15 en 29). Uit het feit dat er geen positie bekend is leid ik af dat het waarschijnlijk subadressen zijn die hun positie aan hun parent-adres horen te ontlenen. Misschien is het handig als deze punten vlak bij het bijbehorende parent-adres-punt geplaatst worden. In feite is dat ook waar ze gekarteerd zouden moeten worden. In Oostende alleen al gaat het om meer dan 1000 van dat soort nummers, met name in de winkelstraten en de appartementsblokken. Op de Zeedijk alleen al gaat het om 226 adrespunten zonder locatie, die gewoon in de overeenkomstige adresblokken horen. Al die appartementsgebouwen hebben 1 adrespunt, wat me verder doet vermoeden dat de meeste zo niet alle van die adrespunten zonder positie allen subadressen zijn die hun positie aan het parent adres zouden moeten ontlenen. Ik vind het niet aantrekkelijk om tientallen adressen voor 1 appartementsblok handmatig op een netjes raster te plaatsen boven het appartementsblok. Als dat automatisch kan... Daarnaast is het misschien handig om deze punten alsnog een tag mee te geven zodat ze anders weergegeven kunnen worden binnen JOSM, maar misschien vinden de andere mappers dat enkel onhandig. In datzelfde kader is het misschien mogelijk om iets met het herkomstAdrespositie-veld te doen. Daaruit zou je moeten kunnen afleiden of het punt als perceel-centroid of gebouw-centroid is afgeleid. Daarnaast kan die informatie misschien licht werpen op bepaalde nauwkeurigheids-problemen. Maar wederom: ik kan ook goed begrijpen als andere mappers die extra tags enkel vervelend vinden. Ze zullen in elk geval verwijderd moeten worden voor het opladen van de gegevens, zoals Sander al aangeeft. Verder kwam ik nog een aantal keer een adrespunt tegen met als huisnummer 'ZN', zonder positie. Het lijkt er steeds hooguit 1 per straat te zijn. Heeft iemand enig idee waar dat voor staat? Misschien 'zonder nummer'? In dat geval kunnen we dus helemaal niets met zo'n punt zonder nummer of locatie. Misschien is het handig om die met het script eruit te filteren? Buiten een vergissing van een mapper in de Spechtstraat in Oostende, zijn alle andere foute huisnummers eigenlijk industriële of commerciële panden waar de afstand tussen het centroid in CRAB en het gemapte gebouw groter dan de door mij ingestelde 20m op de website van Sander is; geen echte fouten dus. In het algemeen zijn de gegevens voor Oostende dus zeer goed bruikbaar, zeker als die subadressen nog automatisch de positie van hun parent-adres kunnen krijgen. Groetjes, Thomas Sander Deryckere schreef op 23-10-2014 23:07: Jo, als je wil, dan kan ik ook optioneel enkele tags toevoegen aan de nodes. Zodat je per type node (geïmporteerd, verkeerd, zonder positie, ...) een eigen stijl kan kiezen (natuurlijk moeten die extra tags wel verwijderd worden voor het uploaden. Weet niet als je dit handig vindt, maar het is niet zoveel werk. Ik schrijf niet graag CSS, dat zie je ook aan die webpagina ;) Groeten, Sander Op 23-okt.-2014 22:25 schreef Jo winfi...@gmail.com mailto:winfi...@gmail.com: Nadat ik die geladen heb, zie ik de nodes niet zo duidelijk. Dus MapCSS to the rescue: node[addr:housenumber]:new::housenumber {text-color: blue; font-size: 25; text: tag(addr:housenumber); text-halo-radius: 2; text-offset-y: 30;} Enkel de nieuwe nodes worden er uit gelicht. Jo Op 23 oktober 2014 20:47 schreef Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com: Inderdaad Sus, om de links onder de nummertjes te laten werken, moet je JOSM draaien. Het moet bovendien de laatste versie zijn, die eerder deze week is vrijgegeven. Verder moet je de Remote Control van JOSM aanzetten. met vriendelijke groeten m 2014-10-23 20:24 GMT+02:00 Verhoeven Fr
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
er bestaat een mogelijkheid om tags toe te voegen aan JOSM die moeten verwijderd worden tijdens de upload. Kijk eens op dit draadje http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=27234 (dacht ik toch) groeten m 2014-10-23 23:07 GMT+02:00 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com: Jo, als je wil, dan kan ik ook optioneel enkele tags toevoegen aan de nodes. Zodat je per type node (geïmporteerd, verkeerd, zonder positie, ...) een eigen stijl kan kiezen (natuurlijk moeten die extra tags wel verwijderd worden voor het uploaden. Weet niet als je dit handig vindt, maar het is niet zoveel werk. Ik schrijf niet graag CSS, dat zie je ook aan die webpagina ;) Groeten, Sander Op 23-okt.-2014 22:25 schreef Jo winfi...@gmail.com: Nadat ik die geladen heb, zie ik de nodes niet zo duidelijk. Dus MapCSS to the rescue: node[addr:housenumber]:new::housenumber {text-color: blue; font-size: 25; text: tag(addr:housenumber); text-halo-radius: 2; text-offset-y: 30;} Enkel de nieuwe nodes worden er uit gelicht. Jo Op 23 oktober 2014 20:47 schreef Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: Inderdaad Sus, om de links onder de nummertjes te laten werken, moet je JOSM draaien. Het moet bovendien de laatste versie zijn, die eerder deze week is vrijgegeven. Verder moet je de Remote Control van JOSM aanzetten. met vriendelijke groeten m 2014-10-23 20:24 GMT+02:00 Verhoeven Fr sus...@gmail.com: Sander, De kolkstraat 25 is een fout van mij en is al verbeterdt. Nu krijg ik de volledige lijst op de desktop Ubuntu. Maar wanneer ik op een van de getallen het schermke load in JOSM aanklik dat springt de pointer gewoon enkele regels verder en niets anders. Moet JOSM dan gewoon openen ? Op een Netbook onder Win8.1 krijg ik de 404 . :-( Sus Le 23/10/14 14:34, Sander Deryckere a écrit : Op 23 oktober 2014 14:07 schreef Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be: Ha, Zo te zien heeft Sus perongeluk shift-lock opstaan, ik ben een qwerty man maar dit lijkt toch sterk op dat dit nummer 25 moet zijn op azerty. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Belgian_keyboard_layout.png/720px-Belgian_keyboard_layout.png misschien als sideshow dit soort errors melden (die zouden natuurlijk ook prima met overpass alleen kunnen gevonden worden). Die worden vermeld in de kolom wrong. Meestal gaat het in die kolom over tikfouten van één of andere aard, maar het zou ook kunnen dat de CRAB data gewoon verouderd of verkeerd is. Dus altijd opletten als je schijnbaar geldige data ziet in die kolom. Over een huisnummer als é( moet je natuurlijk niet twijfelen. Momenteel heeft de Kolkstraat 1 wrong huisnummer. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
dan heb je geluk. In mijn regio is het veel slechter gesteld met de kwaliteit. ZN is waarschijnlijk zonder nummer, een kapel ? een kerk ? in Edegem is er ook een bibliotheek zonder nummer. m 2014-10-24 1:13 GMT+02:00 Thomas o...@aptum.nl: Ik heb nu de CRAB-data voor een hele verzameling straten in en rond Oostende bestudeerd. In het algemeen vind ik dat de data vrij nauwkeurig is. Een enkele keer merkte ik op dat twee naast elkaar gelegen huisnummers met elkaar omgewisseld lijken te zijn. In werkelijkheid nummert alles gewoon netjes door, maar in GRB en CadGIS lijken de nummers ook omgewisseld te staan. Ik veronderstel dat we in dat soort gevallen de nummerplaatjes bij het huis moeten aanhouden. Toch bijzonder dat al die “officiële” datasets die kennelijke fout bevatten. Verder zijn er wel vaak heel wat nummers zonder locatie. Het betreffen vrijwel altijd nummers met een toevoeging (meestal het huisnummer waar ze bijhoren, een underscore en dan de toevoeging; vb 22_03). Soms zijn het schijnbaar gewone nummers. De nummers komen nooit voor op het GRB, maar soms komt hetzelfde huisnummer zonder toevoeging wél voor op het GRB. Ik begrijp niet goed of dat nu de subadressen zijn binnen CRAB of gewone adressen, maar dan een bisnummers (zie ook https://www.agiv.be/~/media/agiv/producten/crab/documenten/xgrabobjectcataloogv114.pdf pagina 15 en 29). Uit het feit dat er geen positie bekend is leid ik af dat het waarschijnlijk subadressen zijn die hun positie aan hun parent-adres horen te ontlenen. Misschien is het handig als deze punten vlak bij het bijbehorende parent-adres-punt geplaatst worden. In feite is dat ook waar ze gekarteerd zouden moeten worden. In Oostende alleen al gaat het om meer dan 1000 van dat soort nummers, met name in de winkelstraten en de appartementsblokken. Op de Zeedijk alleen al gaat het om 226 adrespunten zonder locatie, die gewoon in de overeenkomstige adresblokken horen. Al die appartementsgebouwen hebben 1 adrespunt, wat me verder doet vermoeden dat de meeste zo niet alle van die adrespunten zonder positie allen subadressen zijn die hun positie aan het parent adres zouden moeten ontlenen. Ik vind het niet aantrekkelijk om tientallen adressen voor 1 appartementsblok handmatig op een netjes raster te plaatsen boven het appartementsblok. Als dat automatisch kan... Daarnaast is het misschien handig om deze punten alsnog een tag mee te geven zodat ze anders weergegeven kunnen worden binnen JOSM, maar misschien vinden de andere mappers dat enkel onhandig. In datzelfde kader is het misschien mogelijk om iets met het herkomstAdrespositie-veld te doen. Daaruit zou je moeten kunnen afleiden of het punt als perceel-centroid of gebouw-centroid is afgeleid. Daarnaast kan die informatie misschien licht werpen op bepaalde nauwkeurigheids-problemen. Maar wederom: ik kan ook goed begrijpen als andere mappers die extra tags enkel vervelend vinden. Ze zullen in elk geval verwijderd moeten worden voor het opladen van de gegevens, zoals Sander al aangeeft. Verder kwam ik nog een aantal keer een adrespunt tegen met als huisnummer 'ZN', zonder positie. Het lijkt er steeds hooguit 1 per straat te zijn. Heeft iemand enig idee waar dat voor staat? Misschien 'zonder nummer'? In dat geval kunnen we dus helemaal niets met zo'n punt zonder nummer of locatie. Misschien is het handig om die met het script eruit te filteren? Buiten een vergissing van een mapper in de Spechtstraat in Oostende, zijn alle andere foute huisnummers eigenlijk industriële of commerciële panden waar de afstand tussen het centroid in CRAB en het gemapte gebouw groter dan de door mij ingestelde 20m op de website van Sander is; geen echte fouten dus. In het algemeen zijn de gegevens voor Oostende dus zeer goed bruikbaar, zeker als die subadressen nog automatisch de positie van hun parent-adres kunnen krijgen. Groetjes, Thomas Sander Deryckere schreef op 23-10-2014 23:07: Jo, als je wil, dan kan ik ook optioneel enkele tags toevoegen aan de nodes. Zodat je per type node (geïmporteerd, verkeerd, zonder positie, ...) een eigen stijl kan kiezen (natuurlijk moeten die extra tags wel verwijderd worden voor het uploaden. Weet niet als je dit handig vindt, maar het is niet zoveel werk. Ik schrijf niet graag CSS, dat zie je ook aan die webpagina ;) Groeten, Sander Op 23-okt.-2014 22:25 schreef Jo winfi...@gmail.com: Nadat ik die geladen heb, zie ik de nodes niet zo duidelijk. Dus MapCSS to the rescue: node[addr:housenumber]:new::housenumber {text-color: blue; font-size: 25; text: tag(addr:housenumber); text-halo-radius: 2; text-offset-y: 30;} Enkel de nieuwe nodes worden er uit gelicht. Jo Op 23 oktober 2014 20:47 schreef Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: Inderdaad Sus, om de links onder de nummertjes te laten werken, moet je JOSM draaien. Het moet bovendien de laatste versie zijn, die eerder deze week is vrijgegeven. Verder moet je de
Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] A Better Map
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:24:10PM -0700, Kate Chapman wrote: I'd say the size of the board to me is not necessarily the issue. I do think however having a board elected completely just from the OSMF membership isn't the best approach. Those elected from OSM contributors (I frequently have seen in the past people post people's OSM edits for board elections) are not necessarily the best to be on a board. This statement seems at odds with your complaint that members are not enough involved. The board elections are at the moment pretty much the only means for the OSMF members to voice their opinion, precisely by electing those candidates who are most likely to steer the OSMF in the direction the membership wants. I dare say that previous elections have shown a very clear trend towards electing people that are firmly routed in the community. It does not allow the flexibility to seek out board members with specialized skills. For example most of the board would not claim to be experts in finance, or legal matters. I certainly think election from part of the community is not a bad thing, but perhaps it isn't the only way. Among all the problems I perceive with the board, lack of skills is very, very low on the list. What the board needs are foremost people that are able to work with others, that can listen and compromise. We need people who are really interested in bringing OSM forward instead of just following their own agenda. Accountants and lawyers can be hired. Sarah ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Modus operandi of the board
Hi, On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 03:47:03PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: In theory, the OSMF members are the boss and board is just a group of people asked by the members to run business for them until they convene next time. In similar organisations I know in Germany, it is absolutely not uncommmon for members to discuss and submit proposals to the AGM that would be binding for the board; and for people to actually discuss and argue and vote at an AGM. OSMF has no culture of democracy really; and this is most likely due to the founding story: This is not a political body, it's mainly a safeguard for things like our trademarks and a legal entity to operate our servers. The problem is that I don't see where the membership has any leverge on the board apart from the elections. We have had discussions about transparency before but they have been utterly fruitless so far. A good part of the current members has promised to report from the work of the board in their manifestos. None has ever done that more than once. We have lost quite a few very active community members in den OSMF because they have lost any hope that anything can be changed whatsoever by being a member. Going through the minutes, I am remaineded that the board has given itself a set of rules already two years ago: http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board_Rules_of_Order It very clear states the obligations of a board member with respect to board meetings and transparency. How does the board hold its individual members accountable for following the rules of order? How can the OSMF membership hold board members accountable for it? Kind regards Sarah ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] The world’s best addressable map
First question: how do you build the world's best addressable map ? Through imports or survey ? Is the timeframe that Martin puts forward fur surveyed addresses acceptable and feasible ? As for the imports: Wouldn't it be great that we would have import tools that can be used by many groups ? Just as we have great editors for manual mapping. Shouldn't the OSMF (or however) invest in a procedure + tools for import ? So when a group wants to perform an import, they only have make sure the license is compatible and the data has enough quality. The process of the import is already described, the tools ( task managers, data conversion, some quality checks etc.) are in place. They deliver the data and the import can start. I have the impression that right now each group has to take all those obstacles all by themselves. Maybe I have a totally wrong perception of the import process. please correct me if that's the case. regards m On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: Steve Coast suggested changing the mission statement of OSM to be something like “The world’s best addressable map” I thought I'd separate out this into a new thread. As some backup, I attended my first SOTM-US in 2012 where Steve proposed we build an addressable map. A group of us from Seattle decided that we'd take that challenge and import addresses for Seattle. That import was completed. Here are the address related comments: On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-22 12:15 GMT+02:00 Steve Coast st...@asklater.com: Together, we could do this in 6-12 months and finish addressing in 1-3 years. At that point we wouldn’t have just made the world slightly better, we would have put a big dent in the universe. Nobody would use a closed map ever again, and it would be people like you that made it happen. I agree with you that addressing is very important for a lot of commercial (and non-commercial) map users. What I don't understand is how a paid board would help us map more addresses. Unfortunately mapping addresses is typically less fun than going to the video arcade. Looking at the current figures we are not doing too bad. Currently there are 130 Million buildings in OSM and 46 Million housenumbers. I don't know exactly how many buildings there are in the world, and how many of them don't have addresses, but I guess it will be at least 1 Billion addresses in the world, probably more. According to the stats page we have roughly 25.000 active contributors a month ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stats#Contributor_Stats ). To get an address on all currently mapped buildings in three years time, (84M to go), every active contributor would have to add 93 addresses a month - constantly. To get 1 Billion addresses mapped by 25.000 contributors in 3 yrs, it would be housenumbers a month per active contributor. Are we planning to pay the mappers as well? The only solution seems to get more contributors mapping, and have them insert addresses. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:59 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: It would be nice to know how many of the buildings and house numbers in OSM were imported versus surveyed / drawn by hand. I have a bad feeling about how feasible it is to crowd surf house numbers. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:04 AM, Oleksiy Muzalyev oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch wrote: It is not necessary to put down a number on each building. It is possible to use *addr:interpolation* (*odd, even*, or *all*). We put down a number on the first building, then on the last, connect them in JOSM, and add *addr:interpolation: all *. For example here: http://osm.org/go/0CFn0AZ_d--?m= . It is also very useful on a street with many small houses. And it is searchable. For example if there is number 15 and number 27 on the map for a street, and they are connected with *addr:interpolation: odd, *and if one searches number 21, the map will show the number 21 all right. Then, there is another approach. We first map addressable large building, where a lot of people live or work. Kind of of going after the low-hanging fruit. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:06 AM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: On 22 October 2014 12:37, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Currently there are 130 Million buildings in OSM and 46 Million housenumbers. Do we know how many of these addresses come from imports? I wouldn't be surprised if over 90% of the housenumbers in OSM come from imports. The Dutch BAG import accounts for 8 million adresses, and the Czech RUIAN import accounts for 3 million addresses. Then there have also been large imports at least in Germany, Poland, and France, but for these countries I can't find exact numbers. -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___
Re: [OSM-talk] Addresses are a tiny fraction of what we do (was: The world’s best addressable map)
Hi, On 10/23/2014 08:57 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: Wouldn't it be great that we would have import tools that can be used by many groups ? As far as addresses are concerned, there's OpenAddresses (the US version, not the older Swiss project) that collects openly licensed address data and to my knowledge they're also looking into how that data can then be combined with OSM for geocoding, without actually importing it in OSM. To my mind that's an excellent solution; you can dump address data into the pool and have it processed without interfering with the manually surveyed data that is in OSM. And users can be given the choice of using only the manually surveyed data, or only the government data, or a mixture of both. OSM is not a melting pot for the world's open data and while there is a place for imports, every import will have to be carefully thought about and evaluated. Streamlining that process is not necessarily in the best interest of OpenStreetMap. Frankly, I don't get all the brouhaha about addresses. Yes, geocoding is commercially interesting, but is it interesting for us as a project? Are the mappers in OSM doing what they do because they always wanted to have a house-level free geocoder? I very much doubt that. Technology wise, I find it almost insulting to reduce OSM to a geocoding database and measure OSM in how many addresses it has. There's so much more to the data we collect than merely placing a latitude and longitude against an address. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Modus operandi of the board
Am 23.10.2014 08:22, schrieb Sarah Hoffmann: .. It very clear states the obligations of a board member with respect to board meetings and transparency. How does the board hold its individual members accountable for following the rules of order? How can the OSMF membership hold board members accountable for it? .. The board members are elected by the OSMF members and the board doesn't really have control over its own composition outside of a couple of nuclear options that naturally tend to not be invoked. The rules of order can be seen as a contract between the board members complementary to the law and articles of association, but just as in the real world a breach of contract will make people unhappy, but given the trade-offs tend to not have any consequences of note. One thing has become obvious, that the current 1/3 of the board stands for re-election per year rule has provided lots of continuity but not enough change. Going forward I would suggest tweaking the articles to limit consecutive terms to two (just reiterating what I've said earlier) and require a minimum of 3 seats to be available at every election. There has been some discussion between Michael, the board and myself on changing the inner workings of the OSMF a bit which potentially could address some of the remaining issues, however these are at a very early discussion stage. Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] The world’s best addressable map
2014-10-23 8:57 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: Is the timeframe that Martin puts forward fur surveyed addresses acceptable and feasible ? I believe for surveyed addresses it is completely unrealistic - if our active user base continues to grow like it did in the past 3 years, and if the majority of mappers remains concentrated in the urban parts of the western world. It also depends on how good you expect the coverage to be (by covering urban areas you'll get a lot of addresses with much fewer effort than you'll need for surveying the remaining addresses in remote rural areas). cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] A Better Map
I usually map house numbers on Sunday morning when there is less traffic. I use bicycle and a specialized application for smartphone for collecting address (with a smartphone stylus). It is better to map addressable first, say, 30 large buildings where 1000 people live or work, than 60 small buildings, where 100 persons live. And de facto it is always not about house numbers only, as during such on-the-ground surveys one corrects street names, adds POI, building names, etc. We just make a photo of a sign or a plaque, again with the smartphone camera, and see to it later. Nothing can replace an on-the-ground survey, of being there physically. Besides, it is interesting, because it is a possibility to visit and learn areas of a city, which one would never visit otherwise, to make discoveries for yourself, to maintain an explorer spirit. It is surprising how much map area one can cover on bicycle during one Sunday morning expedition. I would say one weekend mapper is capable to map addressable a medium city in couple of years. Perhaps, not exhaustively, but major buildings. brgds, Oleksiy (Alex-7) On 22.10.2014 13:59, Marc Gemis wrote: ... I have a bad feeling about how feasible it is to crowd surf house numbers... regards m ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] The world’s best addressable map
I like addresses but they don't behave like you would think. For example we have a part of a street that has each individual flat as its own address number. We first used the number;number;number; approach but I'm now in favor of naming the house what it says on the front (the range 37-51) and then put address nodes on the building so it appears in search, with roughly the position accounting for where in the house the apartment is. In this case the numbers closest to the street are at the bottom floor (the stadium approach I favor). I'm in favor of moving this same method over to the other houses. http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/64.13635/-21.79883 As for being able to search within a specific town or area then I think we should look again at relations and super-relations. You could group streets relations into a neighborhood relation and then into a town or municipality relation etc. This of course works very differently based on country but for Iceland I can't see us hitting any limits. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Super-Relation Regards on behalf of the Icelandic Local Chapter applicant, Jói Þann 22.10.2014 18:28, skrifaði Clifford Snow: On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:04 AM, Oleksiy Muzalyev oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch mailto:oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch wrote: It is not necessary to put down a number on each building. It is possible to use /addr:interpolation/ (/odd, even/, or /all/). We put down a number on the first building, then on the last, connect them in JOSM, and add /addr:interpolation: all /. For example here: http://osm.org/go/0CFn0AZ_d--?m= . It is also very useful on a street with many small houses. And it is searchable. For example if there is number 15 and number 27 on the map for a street, and they are connected with /addr:interpolation: odd, /and//if one searches number 21, the map will show the number 21 all right. Then, there is another approach. We first map addressable large building, where a lot of people live or work. Kind of of going after the low-hanging fruit. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Modus operandi of the board
There has been some discussion between Michael, the board and myself on changing the inner workings of the OSMF a bit which potentially could address some of the remaining issues, however these are at a very early discussion stage. Simon, would you care to shed light on this? This seems like a good time to bring conversation out into the open, so that the community can give input, rather than waiting until things have already been decided. The deadline for someone to announce their candidacy is in just over 12 hours, so today is rather critical for OSMF. I would hate for something to come out in a day or a week that could have compelled someone to run. Speaking of timelines, I'd like to register my disappointment that it wasn't made more obviously known that the deadline has already passed to join the foundation to be eligible to vote in the upcoming election [1]. I certainly understand why the 30 day rule is in place, but we talk about how few community members are actually OSMF members, and yet the AGM wasn't formally announced until *yesterday*, [2] only 17 days in advance. I also absolutely understand the challenges around scheduling at conferences, but I wasn't aware of this rule, and I think it's fair to assume many other people weren't as well. By failing to publicize this important deadline to the larger community, a key opportunity has been lost to increase the membership as well as to hear the voices of more community members in our annual election. To me, this communicates either satisfaction with the status quo (why expand the voting base if we're happy with how elections have gone in the past?), or simply apathy. Both are disappointing. There is still quite a bit that I want to say in response to the messages of the past few days, but it's taking me some time to formulate the bulk of my thoughts. That said, I would like to voice my support for Richard's suggestion that the full board step down. I hope most of them will stand for re-election, but I think we've heard that whichever 2 people we elect are likely to be burnt out and sapped of whatever energy they have going into the election. Don't think that I don't understand the challenge that comes with the potential loss of institutional memory. It's something we've discussed many times on the OSM-US board. I do think that it's a drastic option, but I can't see anything short of a drastic option making a substantial difference. If the past few days have taught us anything, it's that the OSMF is fundamentally broken and doesn't have the energy needed to fix that. This project can and should be able to and *has* done great things, but it could be so much more. No, we don't always agree with what more means, but with a governing body (which is what OSMF is, even if that isn't made explicit) that cannot accomplish things, we're not going to see any version of more. Yes, I've decided to stand for election, and no, I don't expect my view to make me particularly popular (or electable), but I truly care about this project, and I want to see our community become a healthy one. I think a shakeup in leadership could help us get there. [1] http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#VOTING_AT_GENERAL_MEETINGS (see item 75) [2] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-announce/2014-October/12.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Applications to the Local Chapter Agreement
On behalf of the Icelandic applicants we are fairly sure that we are the only ones representing our area and we will strive hard to include others who will be or are interested in the area. We have a small blurb in English about us on our webpage, the OSM affiliation would be presented under OpenStreetMap á Íslandi (in Iceland) where applicable. http://www.hlidskjalf.is/english/ Regards, Jói, current chairman Þann 22.10.2014 23:10, skrifaði Simon Poole: Hi Rob I had the feeling that I had announced something outside of the board, but that may simply be a figment of my imagination. Applications have been received from Iceland, Italy and Japan. All three have the honor and the pain of having to beta test the procedure, mainly providing us with some additional documentation. I'm sure translating the respective articles is the main issue, but I can't see how minimal due diligence can be avoided without creating a liability nightmare. There are further organisations that have indicated their willingness to join us and I would expect a few more applications in the next couple of months. Simon Am 22.10.2014 23:41, schrieb Rob Nickerson: Simon, I note in [1] that there are now three applications to the Local Chapter Agreement [2] and these are being processed now. In light of the current discussions on transparency and holding the board to account, can I ask whether it possible to disclose these just in case there are any other local groups that feel they represent the geographic regions included in the first three applications. Also I'm curious :-) Best, Rob [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2014-October/002697.html [2] http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_OSMF_Chapters ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] The world’s best addressable map
I agree that addresses is a complicated field. There are different historical systems, there are cities where even many streets are without names, etc. There is a lot of space for innovation, certainly. What I meant is that it is not obligatory to map a city or a town addressable from one end to another, one house after another, or wait until a municipal government releases into public domain its database of addresses (which may be not without errors or omissions too). If there are, say, 10% of buildings where 90% of the population lives, studies and works, it makes sense to map them addressable first. Often these are large modern buildings with clear addresses. And it is much easier to return into the same area for the second time, when there are already at least some large buildings with numbers, much easier to orientate oneself. I see from your example that in the city of Reykjavik almost every building has a number, so you have a more advanced set of priorities. Best regards, Oleksiy On 23.10.2014 10:39, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: I like addresses but they don't behave like you would think. For example we have a part of a street that has each individual flat as its own address number. We first used the number;number;number; approach but I'm now in favor of naming the house what it says on the front (the range 37-51) and then put address nodes on the building so it appears in search, with roughly the position accounting for where in the house the apartment is. In this case the numbers closest to the street are at the bottom floor (the stadium approach I favor). I'm in favor of moving this same method over to the other houses. http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/64.13635/-21.79883 As for being able to search within a specific town or area then I think we should look again at relations and super-relations. You could group streets relations into a neighborhood relation and then into a town or municipality relation etc. This of course works very differently based on country but for Iceland I can't see us hitting any limits. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Super-Relation Regards on behalf of the Icelandic Local Chapter applicant, Jói Þann 22.10.2014 18:28, skrifaði Clifford Snow: On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:04 AM, Oleksiy Muzalyev oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch mailto:oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch wrote: It is not necessary to put down a number on each building. It is possible to use /addr:interpolation/ (/odd, even/, or /all/). We put down a number on the first building, then on the last, connect them in JOSM, and add /addr:interpolation: all /. For example here: http://osm.org/go/0CFn0AZ_d--?m= . It is also very useful on a street with many small houses. And it is searchable. For example if there is number 15 and number 27 on the map for a street, and they are connected with /addr:interpolation: odd, /and/ /if one searches number 21, the map will show the number 21 all right. Then, there is another approach. We first map addressable large building, where a lot of people live or work. Kind of of going after the low-hanging fruit. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?
There are many people who record both a gps trace and a video of their itinerary. Do you think it would be viable to use these videos as a sort of street view by associating the frames to a location? When there is no gps trace, it could be done by interpolation, defining synchronization points between map and video. It is not 360°, but at least there would be some images of remote areas. Cheers, Micru ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?
I think you are looking for Mapillary! Mapillary images are now built into the iD editor, if you go into Background settings you can check the Photo Overlay (Mapillary) option and see images from there. Example area: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=18/64.08253/-21.80923 Þann 23.10.2014 10:20, skrifaði David Cuenca: There are many people who record both a gps trace and a video of their itinerary. Do you think it would be viable to use these videos as a sort of street view by associating the frames to a location? When there is no gps trace, it could be done by interpolation, defining synchronization points between map and video. It is not 360°, but at least there would be some images of remote areas. Cheers, Micru ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?
It is possible to upload photos to the Crowdsourced Street Level Photos http://www.mapillary.com/ from its smartphone application or manually. The photos just must have the following EXIF tags: [GPSLongitude] [GPSLatitude] [DateTimeOriginal,DateTimeDigitized,DateTime,GPSDateStamp] [Orientation] I tried to upload to the Mapillary photos from Canon 70D camera with the GPS receiver Canon GP-E2. It recognizes them all right and places them on the map in the right spot. But GoPro-4 makes about 120 fps (frames per second) in video mode. It means 120 photos per second, in one minute it will be 720 HD photos. I think it will overwhelm the server. Perhaps, in photo mode? Though I do not own GoPro. brgds Oleksiy On 23.10.2014 12:20, David Cuenca wrote: There are many people who record both a gps trace and a video of their itinerary. Do you think it would be viable to use these videos as a sort of street view by associating the frames to a location? When there is no gps trace, it could be done by interpolation, defining synchronization points between map and video. It is not 360°, but at least there would be some images of remote areas. Cheers, Micru ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Modus operandi of the board
Simon Poole wrote: Kathleen Danielson wrote: That said, I would like to voice my support for Richard's suggestion that the full board step down. It simply is a very unrealistic option given that it would require a mechanism that doesn't exist to force all board members to resign. Absolutely no force required. I would hope that the existing board members would recognise the virtue of a fresh mandate and a clean start. Incidentally, only three of the current board members (Simon, Frederik and Kate) have contributed to or shown any sign of being aware of this debate. Matt of course is stepping down but I hope Dermot, Henk and Oliver will take this chance to engage with the community they represent and serve. Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Addresses are a tiny fraction of what we do (was: The world’s best addressable map)
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Frankly, I don't get all the brouhaha about addresses. Yes, geocoding is commercially interesting, but is it interesting for us as a project? Are So don't you expect pressure from companies using OSM for navigation and geocoding to add more addresses ? Or do you expect them to use many different datasources ? And when the mission statement is The world's best addressable map, don't you expect that people will feel the need to add more addresses, faster, in a shorter period of time ? BTW, I'm just an ordinary mapper without real vision of what OSM has to be. I'm happy to continue mapping the way I do now: surveys, because this means exploring the world around me. I don't need imports. It's just that when OSMF wants more imports (do they ?) they should support that process with the necessary tools, doing so would to improve the quality of the imports IMHO. regards m ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?
The business activity of the for-profit company Mapillary is not new. Before it was acquired by Google, Panoramio did the same: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panoramio I don't see any point in working for free for a private company so they can sell their services to third parties. I was asking here to see if there is a not-for profit way of reaching the same goal. Thanks for your support, Micru On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: There is a blog entry about uploading GoPro photos to Mapillary: http://blog.mapillary.com/technology/2014/07/21/upload-scripts.html Janko ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?
See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Video_mapping and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Video_Mapping_with_the_ContourGPS_Helmet_Camera It is my preferred way of surveying if not on foot. There are numerous problems, for example current affordable video cams tend to not have enough resolution for stuff like house numbers and so on. But for a lot of larger things it is very efficient. Simon Am 23.10.2014 12:20, schrieb David Cuenca: There are many people who record both a gps trace and a video of their itinerary. Do you think it would be viable to use these videos as a sort of street view by associating the frames to a location? When there is no gps trace, it could be done by interpolation, defining synchronization points between map and video. It is not 360°, but at least there would be some images of remote areas. Cheers, Micru ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?
Well all the images are under CC-BY-SA license http://www.mapillary.com/legal.html I don't see anyone at the moment making another non-profit solution that gives an instant benefit to OSM (via iD editor). Storage space and bandwidth are never free while volunteer time is, wether it is programming or contributing material, so until then anyone offering a similar service will require income to pay for it. Mapillary is the best answer to your question at this point in time. That is all I can say. Þann 23.10.2014 11:33, skrifaði David Cuenca: The business activity of the for-profit company Mapillary is not new. Before it was acquired by Google, Panoramio did the same: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panoramio I don't see any point in working for free for a private company so they can sell their services to third parties. I was asking here to see if there is a not-for profit way of reaching the same goal. Thanks for your support, Micru On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com mailto:jan...@gmail.com wrote: There is a blog entry about uploading GoPro photos to Mapillary: http://blog.mapillary.com/technology/2014/07/21/upload-scripts.html Janko ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?
Simon,thanks for sharing, it is really cool to see that there are so many possibilities! And now with 360° HD cameras getting cheaper, maybe it would be possible to use them for locating street numbers. On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Video_mapping and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Video_Mapping_with_the_ContourGPS_Helmet_Camera It is my preferred way of surveying if not on foot. There are numerous problems, for example current affordable video cams tend to not have enough resolution for stuff like house numbers and so on. But for a lot of larger things it is very efficient. Simon Am 23.10.2014 12:20, schrieb David Cuenca: There are many people who record both a gps trace and a video of their itinerary. Do you think it would be viable to use these videos as a sort of street view by associating the frames to a location? When there is no gps trace, it could be done by interpolation, defining synchronization points between map and video. It is not 360°, but at least there would be some images of remote areas. Cheers, Micru ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?
I mapped house numbers in this area http://osm.org/go/0CFtB2b71-- As you can see there are service roads with private access. I never had any problem to cycle on these roads, note the numbers and put down numbers into a smartphone application. But I would not want to film with a video-camera continuously in such areas. I used to employ the /OSMPad/ application for mapping numbers http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OsmPad , but for some reason it stopped working on my iPhone after iOS 8 update. And there is no update in App Store. I took just seconds to map several houses with the /OSMPad/ , no more than to stop and check an SMS or a Whatsup message. I downloaded /OSMhunter/ and will give it a try. But I have a feeling that disappearance of /the OSMPad /would be a major setback/./ brgds Oleksiy On 23.10.2014 13:59, David Cuenca wrote: ... with 360° HD cameras getting cheaper, maybe it would be possible to use them for locating street numbers. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Modus operandi of the board
Hi, On 10/23/2014 01:25 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Absolutely no force required. I would hope that the existing board members would recognise the virtue of a fresh mandate and a clean start. A radical step, but I like it. I'd be more than happy to withdraw my candidacy if there was a spirit of rebooting. We wouldn't even need seven new candidates; we could simply elect a few and they could then add new un-elected board members as they like (article 79 in the AoA). Instead of rushing through such an unprecedented measure, we could also do it in a more orderly fashion: Have this year's AGM decide that the board should prepare to resign altogether at the next AGM, and prepare the election of a full new board. This event would then be known long in advance and people would have time to prepare their bids for a seat on the rebooted body. Independent of the actual legal powers of the AGM, certainly no board member could ignore such an express declaration by the very people they're serving. Another thing, while we're throwing doors wide open. In many political systems around the world, the electorate doesn't elect a group of people with wildly different goals. Instead, people form parties and the electorate decides for a party, and the party will then form the government. (Grossly simplifying, I know.) That way, people in government have to fight each other to a much lesser degree than they would if government were comprised of people following different political views and goals. By appointing seven directors individually, on the one hand we have the advantage that they can keep each other in check; we, as the electorate, don't have to be super careful, if we elect someone who's incompetent or a kleptomaniac, the others on the board will hopefully notice and fix it somehow. On the other hand, there's the danger of seeding the board with a couple of difficult personalities that make life hard and reduce productiveness for the rest of them. Should we perhaps vote for teams? Just like a team can assemble and bid for holding a SotM, should we allow a team to bid for being the OSMF board for a year? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Fwd: An engaged electorate
-- Forwarded message -- From: Richard Weait rich...@weait.com Date: Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 8:50 AM Subject: An engaged electorate To: osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org Talk@ and osmf-talk@ posts suggest that we have an engaged electorate. Candidates should undertake to engage with their potential voters. Candidates. Please address the current questions to candidates on the wiki page, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Foundation/AGM14/Election_to_Board If you are uncomfortable with editing the wiki page directly, post your answers to osmf-talk@, we can crowd-source it[1]. :-) Please repeat the question in the email with your answer to avoid ambiguity. Candidates, please continue to monitor the link above for additional questions. With your wiki account, you can see changes in that page by using your watchlist. There are fewer than 12 hours to go for candidacy declarations! [1] so, readers, please help out by transcribing answers posted here that are not added yet added to the wiki page. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?
2014-10-23 13:59 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com: And now with 360° HD cameras getting cheaper, maybe it would be possible to use them for locating street numbers. From my findings the time you are saving by recording everything instead of selecting at surveytime what you want to map by taking a focused photo or note, will be spent twice and more when looking for useful pictures in the video later (and you'll risk to miss a lot of important stuff, but you will be able to map a lot of detail, re-using the same footage over and over again and still will find unmapped stuff). It depends on what you map which method is most useful, e.g. for speed limits or lanes count, automatic video recording is probably perfect, for housenumbers you'd need a setup similar to Google's in order to get sufficient detail (and still you can see in streetview that sometimes the feature you are interested in is covered by something else or that the light conditions do not allow to discern what you are after). This might have gotten better with higher resolution cameras now. For the purpose of mapping my guess is that rather than 120fps@fullHD you should set the cam to 30fps@4K. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?
On 2014-10-23 11:20, David Cuenca wrote: There are many people who record both a gps trace and a video of their itinerary. Do you think it would be viable to use these videos as a sort of street view by associating the frames to a location? When there is no gps trace, it could be done by interpolation, defining synchronization points between map and video. It is not 360°, but at least there would be some images of remote areas. For the GoPro, I find its usually more useful in timelapse model. ie taking a photo every second, or maybe every 5 or 10 seconds, depends on what you are surveying and how fast you are moving. The still photos are usually much better quality and higher resolution than frames from the video. So more useful for reading housenames etc. Plus its easy to geotag all of the photos (I use GeoSetter), then load them into JOSM. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Modus operandi of the board
Hi, On 10/23/2014 08:22 AM, Sarah Hoffmann wrote: The problem is that I don't see where the membership has any leverge on the board apart from the elections. We have had discussions about transparency before but they have been utterly fruitless so far. A good part of the current members has promised to report from the work of the board in their manifestos. Let me describe a purely hypothetical situation. Say there's someone on the board who doesn't really do anything. They rarely show up for meetings, don't participate in mailing list discussions, and respond late if at all to inquiries by the rest of the board. It's not however *so* bad that board would go through the trouble of calling an EGM to have that board member removed or replaced, especially since that would always require someone to be the first to stand up and spread disharmony by pointing out the obvious. A new election comes up and, lo and behold, that same board member even stands for re-election. The other board members are a bit puzzled but what can they do, they can't suddenly start a campaign against one of their own, can they? In the absence of any communications from other board members, the OSMF membership assumes that the board member in question must have been doing a good job, and promptly re-elects them. End of hypothetical situation. It is obvious that something has gone wrong, but what, and how could it have been better? Can we expect board members to report to the membership about the (perceived?) lack of performance of their peers? Or does the membership have to ask questions to find out what happens or does not happen? Board members are expected to keep board matters confidential, something that is also enshrined in the Rules of Order that you mention. This is to avoid reading about the board meeting in 5 different twitter feeds instead of on the OSMF wiki ;) but maybe the balance is not right. Maybe individual board members should be asked to report about their work to the electorate. But that would of course hardly be objective. Currently not only have we no such reporting, but the secretary (me) has even been asked not to specifically minute *who* voted for *what* in those few cases where board votes on something. It very clear states the obligations of a board member with respect to board meetings and transparency. How does the board hold its individual members accountable for following the rules of order? Not at all, really. The rules of order is something we spent quite some time on during our face-to-face meeting last year. I had introduced that document because I felt that being clear about expectations and obligations would remove some of the problems. The bill didn't pass fully (I think the draft is still on my user page on the OSM Foundation Wiki, something I caught flak for internally BTW) but at the time I hoped that the bits that passed, like that board members shouldn't keep information from each other, would clear some obstacles. I think that was one of those occasions where I was naive. How can the OSMF membership hold board members accountable for it? Watch what the board are doing, and ask questions. Read the answers you get, and ask the questions that arise from them. That's what I would suggest, and as a board member I'd actually value it if I saw that members were interested in my work. Even if I'd probably have to give many an embarrassing answer. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Addresses are a tiny fraction of what we do (was: The world’s best addressable map)
I'd go along with this to some extent; I certainly don't think OSM should be primarily about addressing as Steve's email appears to indicate. It should be about whatever we as mappers want it to be. If addressing's your thing, then fine, do it, but if it isn't, that's fine also. I don't think we should be singling out one mission at all - other than to gather free geodata. Instead, we as mappers should be contributing whatever personally turns us on, so to speak. There are enough people with enough diverse interests that we end up with a map showing a wide range of things. There are still a good number of things besides addressing that are missing. Plenty of footpaths even here in the UK are still missing, for instance - to mention my own personal area of interest. By focusing on one aim you're going to potentially turn people off whose mapping interests lie elsewhere. Nick -Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: - To: talk@openstreetmap.org From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Date: 23/10/2014 08:44AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Addresses are a tiny fraction of what we do (was: The world’s best addressable map) Hi, On 10/23/2014 08:57 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: Wouldn't it be great that we would have import tools that can be used by many groups ? As far as addresses are concerned, there's OpenAddresses (the US version, not the older Swiss project) that collects openly licensed address data and to my knowledge they're also looking into how that data can then be combined with OSM for geocoding, without actually importing it in OSM. To my mind that's an excellent solution; you can dump address data into the pool and have it processed without interfering with the manually surveyed data that is in OSM. And users can be given the choice of using only the manually surveyed data, or only the government data, or a mixture of both. OSM is not a melting pot for the world's open data and while there is a place for imports, every import will have to be carefully thought about and evaluated. Streamlining that process is not necessarily in the best interest of OpenStreetMap. Frankly, I don't get all the brouhaha about addresses. Yes, geocoding is commercially interesting, but is it interesting for us as a project? Are the mappers in OSM doing what they do because they always wanted to have a house-level free geocoder? I very much doubt that. Technology wise, I find it almost insulting to reduce OSM to a geocoding database and measure OSM in how many addresses it has. There's so much more to the data we collect than merely placing a latitude and longitude against an address. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Overpass turbo Has it been amended?
Hi Has the wizard in Overpass Turbo been updated in the past couple of days, or have I somehow amend its way of working? Looked in the wiki but could see no mention. Wizard query of landuse=recreation_ground produces a much less verbose query (No 'query' or 'k=' etc) /* This has been generated by the overpass-turbo wizard. The original search was: “landuse=recreation_ground” */ [out:json][timeout:25]; // gather results ( // query part for: “landuse=recreation_ground” node[landuse=recreation_ground]({{bbox}}); way[landuse=recreation_ground]({{bbox}}); relation[landuse=recreation_ground]({{bbox}}); ); // print results out body; ; out skel qt; Also, Where are the saved queries stored? It's failing to load a couple of mine I'd like to manually retrieve them if possible. Cheers Dave F. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Modus operandi of the board
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: End of hypothetical situation. It is obvious that something has gone wrong, but what, and how could it have been better? Can we expect board members to report to the membership about the (perceived?) lack of performance of their peers? Or does the membership have to ask questions to find out what happens or does not happen? ... How can the OSMF membership hold board members accountable for it? Watch what the board are doing, and ask questions. Read the answers you get, and ask the questions that arise from them. That's what I would suggest, and as a board member I'd actually value it if I saw that members were interested in my work. Even if I'd probably have to give many an embarrassing answer. I've seen members and non-members alike ask questions like What does the OSMF do? and the response is something about putting on a conference (but really volunteers outside the board do that) and holding on to money. Essentially, the answer is Nothing, on purpose. When the community (not just the membership) is told the board is designed not to do anything, then we stop asking questions because one assumes you can't get doing nothing wrong. It sounds like that's not the case, though. The board-membership communications channel is definitely a two-way street, though. In every other organization I've been a part of, we endeavored to make sure the membership was aware of what we were doing. They had elected us and expect results (or at least leadership to facilitate volunteers' results), after all. I would expect the board members that *want* to get things done to work as hard as they can to expose the board-internal squabbles that prevent action. I'm glad you started that conversation, Frederik. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?
I completely agree with David. I disagree with mapillary's terms of service. Regards, Hans On Oct 23, 2014 6:03 AM, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 2014-10-23 11:20, David Cuenca wrote: There are many people who record both a gps trace and a video of their itinerary. Do you think it would be viable to use these videos as a sort of street view by associating the frames to a location? When there is no gps trace, it could be done by interpolation, defining synchronization points between map and video. It is not 360°, but at least there would be some images of remote areas. For the GoPro, I find its usually more useful in timelapse model. ie taking a photo every second, or maybe every 5 or 10 seconds, depends on what you are surveying and how fast you are moving. The still photos are usually much better quality and higher resolution than frames from the video. So more useful for reading housenames etc. Plus its easy to geotag all of the photos (I use GeoSetter), then load them into JOSM. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?
Does anyone know if the video plugin for JOSM works under Windows? I tried it about a year ago and couldn't get it to work. If it is not working, is anyone working on a fix or another video plugin? Mike On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:53 AM, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson j...@betra.is wrote: Well all the images are under CC-BY-SA license http://www.mapillary.com/legal.html I don't see anyone at the moment making another non-profit solution that gives an instant benefit to OSM (via iD editor). Storage space and bandwidth are never free while volunteer time is, wether it is programming or contributing material, so until then anyone offering a similar service will require income to pay for it. Mapillary is the best answer to your question at this point in time. That is all I can say. Þann 23.10.2014 11:33, skrifaði David Cuenca: The business activity of the for-profit company Mapillary is not new. Before it was acquired by Google, Panoramio did the same: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panoramio I don't see any point in working for free for a private company so they can sell their services to third parties. I was asking here to see if there is a not-for profit way of reaching the same goal. Thanks for your support, Micru On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: There is a blog entry about uploading GoPro photos to Mapillary: http://blog.mapillary.com/technology/2014/07/21/upload-scripts.html Janko ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non ___ talk mailing listtalk@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?
Panoramio didn't state any open license for uploaded content, so it was easy for them to go closed with Google. Mapillary does, so it should be as safe as contributing data to OSM, in terms of what happens if it all goes away or becomes evil. I'm sure that everyone would be very supportive of a not-for-profit alternative, but given the reality of how expensive it is to run and continuously develop services that intake and distribute a lot of data, you'd probably need to get a sizeable grant, which would then be time-limited so would have to pursue another grant every year or two. Or you would have to take another route that would ruin the idea of open community purity, like advertising. On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Mike Thompson miketh...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know if the video plugin for JOSM works under Windows? I tried it about a year ago and couldn't get it to work. If it is not working, is anyone working on a fix or another video plugin? Mike On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:53 AM, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson j...@betra.is wrote: Well all the images are under CC-BY-SA license http://www.mapillary.com/legal.html I don't see anyone at the moment making another non-profit solution that gives an instant benefit to OSM (via iD editor). Storage space and bandwidth are never free while volunteer time is, wether it is programming or contributing material, so until then anyone offering a similar service will require income to pay for it. Mapillary is the best answer to your question at this point in time. That is all I can say. Þann 23.10.2014 11:33, skrifaði David Cuenca: The business activity of the for-profit company Mapillary is not new. Before it was acquired by Google, Panoramio did the same: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panoramio I don't see any point in working for free for a private company so they can sell their services to third parties. I was asking here to see if there is a not-for profit way of reaching the same goal. Thanks for your support, Micru On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: There is a blog entry about uploading GoPro photos to Mapillary: http://blog.mapillary.com/technology/2014/07/21/upload-scripts.html Janko ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non ___ talk mailing listtalk@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?
It has all kinds of problems not that they are not fixable, but stuff like assuming a fixed 1s GPS recording interval and similar and AFAIK there was never a stable version released. Given that one of the nice things about videos is that you don't actually need an exact position for them to be useful, I never felt motivated enough to spend the time to fix it. Simon Am 23.10.2014 16:48, schrieb Mike Thompson: Does anyone know if the video plugin for JOSM works under Windows? I tried it about a year ago and couldn't get it to work. If it is not working, is anyone working on a fix or another video plugin? Mike On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:53 AM, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson j...@betra.is mailto:j...@betra.is wrote: Well all the images are under CC-BY-SA license http://www.mapillary.com/legal.html I don't see anyone at the moment making another non-profit solution that gives an instant benefit to OSM (via iD editor). Storage space and bandwidth are never free while volunteer time is, wether it is programming or contributing material, so until then anyone offering a similar service will require income to pay for it. Mapillary is the best answer to your question at this point in time. That is all I can say. Þann 23.10.2014 11:33, skrifaði David Cuenca: The business activity of the for-profit company Mapillary is not new. Before it was acquired by Google, Panoramio did the same: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panoramio I don't see any point in working for free for a private company so they can sell their services to third parties. I was asking here to see if there is a not-for profit way of reaching the same goal. Thanks for your support, Micru On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com mailto:jan...@gmail.com wrote: There is a blog entry about uploading GoPro photos to Mapillary: http://blog.mapillary.com/technology/2014/07/21/upload-scripts.html Janko ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Modus operandi of the board
Sorry-- looks like I forgot to copy the whole list. On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Frederik, You've got a few really interesting ideas in here. Some quick questions: On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 10/23/2014 01:25 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Absolutely no force required. I would hope that the existing board members would recognise the virtue of a fresh mandate and a clean start. A radical step, but I like it. I'd be more than happy to withdraw my candidacy if there was a spirit of rebooting. We wouldn't even need seven new candidates; we could simply elect a few and they could then add new un-elected board members as they like (article 79 in the AoA). I really like this idea, although, as I acknowledged earlier, I definitely know there are some challenges. Instead of rushing through such an unprecedented measure, we could also do it in a more orderly fashion: Have this year's AGM decide that the board should prepare to resign altogether at the next AGM, and prepare the election of a full new board. This event would then be known long in advance and people would have time to prepare their bids for a seat on the rebooted body. Independent of the actual legal powers of the AGM, certainly no board member could ignore such an express declaration by the very people they're serving. What if we had some sort of compromise, and we asked the membership if we could hold another AGM in 3 months, followed 2 weeks (or so) later by an election? We've already talked about decoupling it from SOTM, and given what a global project it is, it's unrealistic to expect a majority of voting members to be able to attend SOTM. I haven't checked the bylaws, but I would guess there's no rule against having *more* than one AGM per year. OSM-US has started holding our AGMs remotely. I'm sure other groups do as well. If we did a 3 month time scale, we still wouldn't be making rash decisions, but we would have more chance of maintaining the momentum we've seen over the past month or so. The current board could also focus energy on preparing things so that there can be a smooth transition, even if there is high turnover in the board. Another thing, while we're throwing doors wide open. In many political systems around the world, the electorate doesn't elect a group of people with wildly different goals. Instead, people form parties and the electorate decides for a party, and the party will then form the government. (Grossly simplifying, I know.) That way, people in government have to fight each other to a much lesser degree than they would if government were comprised of people following different political views and goals. By appointing seven directors individually, on the one hand we have the advantage that they can keep each other in check; we, as the electorate, don't have to be super careful, if we elect someone who's incompetent or a kleptomaniac, the others on the board will hopefully notice and fix it somehow. On the other hand, there's the danger of seeding the board with a couple of difficult personalities that make life hard and reduce productiveness for the rest of them. Should we perhaps vote for teams? Just like a team can assemble and bid for holding a SotM, should we allow a team to bid for being the OSMF board for a year? This is a really fun idea. I'm not sure if I agree with it, but I LOVE the creative thinking for the organization of OSMF. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Modus operandi of the board
Sorry for sounding like a broken record to some: there are no EGMs or AGMs any more under UK law, there are simply general meetings, there is not even a requirement to have any at all (that is why we are suggesting adding such a clause to the articles at the GM in Argentina) and you could just as well have one on 365 days of the year. The board could realistically schedule a GM with or without elections in March or April, remote participation is possible since last year so there are multiple ways to participate. Obviously this depends on the board actually agreeing to do so except if you want to require one via the mechanics of a request by the members (needs 5% of the regular members). As I've pointed out there are other reasons to disassociate the meeting from SOTM in any case so I wouldn't expect much resistance. Simon Am 23.10.2014 17:23, schrieb Kathleen Danielson: Sorry-- looks like I forgot to copy the whole list. On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com mailto:kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Frederik, You've got a few really interesting ideas in here. Some quick questions: On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org mailto:frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 10/23/2014 01:25 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Absolutely no force required. I would hope that the existing board members would recognise the virtue of a fresh mandate and a clean start. A radical step, but I like it. I'd be more than happy to withdraw my candidacy if there was a spirit of rebooting. We wouldn't even need seven new candidates; we could simply elect a few and they could then add new un-elected board members as they like (article 79 in the AoA). I really like this idea, although, as I acknowledged earlier, I definitely know there are some challenges. Instead of rushing through such an unprecedented measure, we could also do it in a more orderly fashion: Have this year's AGM decide that the board should prepare to resign altogether at the next AGM, and prepare the election of a full new board. This event would then be known long in advance and people would have time to prepare their bids for a seat on the rebooted body. Independent of the actual legal powers of the AGM, certainly no board member could ignore such an express declaration by the very people they're serving. What if we had some sort of compromise, and we asked the membership if we could hold another AGM in 3 months, followed 2 weeks (or so) later by an election? We've already talked about decoupling it from SOTM, and given what a global project it is, it's unrealistic to expect a majority of voting members to be able to attend SOTM. I haven't checked the bylaws, but I would guess there's no rule against having *more* than one AGM per year. OSM-US has started holding our AGMs remotely. I'm sure other groups do as well. If we did a 3 month time scale, we still wouldn't be making rash decisions, but we would have more chance of maintaining the momentum we've seen over the past month or so. The current board could also focus energy on preparing things so that there can be a smooth transition, even if there is high turnover in the board. Another thing, while we're throwing doors wide open. In many political systems around the world, the electorate doesn't elect a group of people with wildly different goals. Instead, people form parties and the electorate decides for a party, and the party will then form the government. (Grossly simplifying, I know.) That way, people in government have to fight each other to a much lesser degree than they would if government were comprised of people following different political views and goals. By appointing seven directors individually, on the one hand we have the advantage that they can keep each other in check; we, as the electorate, don't have to be super careful, if we elect someone who's incompetent or a kleptomaniac, the others on the board will hopefully notice and fix it somehow. On the other hand, there's the danger of seeding the board with a couple of difficult personalities that make life hard and reduce productiveness for the rest of them. Should we perhaps vote for teams? Just like a team can assemble and bid for holding a SotM, should we allow a team to bid for being the OSMF board for a year?
Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?
On 2014-10-23 16:59, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 23/10/2014 15:00, Craig Wallace wrote: taking a photo every second, or maybe every 5 or 10 seconds, depends on what you are surveying and how fast you are moving. Do none of those cameras offer the logical alternative to timelapse - a 'spacelapse' mode that uses the camera's knowledge of position through its GPS receiver to capture a picture every ten meters instead of every ten seconds ? None of the GoPro cameras have GPS built in, so not possible with them. Don't know about other brands. But you can do this with TriggerTrap mobile app. It works with a dongle to control a variety of cameras. It has a 'distancelapse' mode, nice tutorial here: http://howto.triggertrap.com/howto/road-trip-timelapse/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] The world’s best addressable map
I'm adding OSMF-talk since it concerns what I outlined in the original “vision statement” email. I was perhaps too specific and jumped ahead saying “world’s best addressable map”. What I really mean is the “world's most complete open map”. There are three pieces to a modern map. There's the display piece, the routing and the geocoding. We won the display piece. It looks great. We are ok at routing. Not perfect or great, but ok. We're really lacking on the addressing. If we can get addressing even to the “ok” stage then a lot more people will use OSM, which means more editors, more community and more data. This is because the main use for maps today by the public is to get somewhere, and we can't help with that without all three pieces. Right now we have 2/3. I jumped ahead because I see this every day, and I understand not everybody does. I think all the other things are good too, even every tree in OSM! I just know that if we had to pick one thing to focus on it would be addressing, as it will get all the other things to happen faster too. But that doesn't mean you can't add trees in to OSM at the same time, just that the shortest path to getting more of everything is to get more of addressing. Also let's be clear - addressing isn't easy. It's complicated and hard. But that's a good goal to have, and OSM was complicated and hard in the first place. Steve From: Oleksiy Muzalyev Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:53 AM To: Jóhannes Birgir Jensson, talk@openstreetmap.org I agree that addresses is a complicated field. There are different historical systems, there are cities where even many streets are without names, etc. There is a lot of space for innovation, certainly. What I meant is that it is not obligatory to map a city or a town addressable from one end to another, one house after another, or wait until a municipal government releases into public domain its database of addresses (which may be not without errors or omissions too). If there are, say, 10% of buildings where 90% of the population lives, studies and works, it makes sense to map them addressable first. Often these are large modern buildings with clear addresses. And it is much easier to return into the same area for the second time, when there are already at least some large buildings with numbers, much easier to orientate oneself. I see from your example that in the city of Reykjavik almost every building has a number, so you have a more advanced set of priorities. Best regards, Oleksiy On 23.10.2014 10:39, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: I like addresses but they don't behave like you would think. For example we have a part of a street that has each individual flat as its own address number. We first used the number;number;number; approach but I'm now in favor of naming the house what it says on the front (the range 37-51) and then put address nodes on the building so it appears in search, with roughly the position accounting for where in the house the apartment is. In this case the numbers closest to the street are at the bottom floor (the stadium approach I favor). I'm in favor of moving this same method over to the other houses. http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/64.13635/-21.79883 As for being able to search within a specific town or area then I think we should look again at relations and super-relations. You could group streets relations into a neighborhood relation and then into a town or municipality relation etc. This of course works very differently based on country but for Iceland I can't see us hitting any limits. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Super-Relation Regards on behalf of the Icelandic Local Chapter applicant, Jói Þann 22.10.2014 18:28, skrifaði Clifford Snow: On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:04 AM, Oleksiy Muzalyev oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch wrote: It is not necessary to put down a number on each building. It is possible to use addr:interpolation (odd, even, or all). We put down a number on the first building, then on the last, connect them in JOSM, and add addr:interpolation: all . For example here: http://osm.org/go/0CFn0AZ_d--?m= . It is also very useful on a street with many small houses. And it is searchable. For example if there is number 15 and number 27 on the map for a street, and they are connected with addr:interpolation: odd, and if one searches number 21, the map will show the number 21 all right. Then, there is another approach. We first map addressable large building, where a lot of people live or work. Kind of of going after the low-hanging fruit. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?
I am interested in this as well. I have two Biking Across Kansas tours worth of video and GPS traces that I still haven't gotten around to processing into map data yet. I briefly looked at the JOSM video plugin a while ago and, like someone else reported, couldn't get it working. Maybe once I finish my current project of getting support for OSM notes into JOSM-core, I'll take a look at it again... Toby On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:20 AM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: There are many people who record both a gps trace and a video of their itinerary. Do you think it would be viable to use these videos as a sort of street view by associating the frames to a location? When there is no gps trace, it could be done by interpolation, defining synchronization points between map and video. It is not 360°, but at least there would be some images of remote areas. Cheers, Micru ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] The world’s best addressable map
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 9:56 AM, st...@asklater.com wrote: I'm adding OSMF-talk since it concerns what I outlined in the original “vision statement” email. I was perhaps too specific and jumped ahead saying “world’s best addressable map”. What I really mean is the “world's most complete open map”. There are three pieces to a modern map. There's the display piece, the routing and the geocoding. That makes for a better vision statement in my mind that best addressable map. I might even shorten it to world's most complete map. Why limit ourselves. We have the means to be the best map, open or otherwise. Getting to our vision requires setting goals. One of which certainly should be addressing. I'd like to see the OSMF lead a group to first define our vision and once complete, to set goals to help us achieve our vision. I'm one of the crowd that feels the OSMF Board needs to set goals, certainly with input from the community and user of our data. Those goals should help the Board prioritize where to spend our limited resources. That requires leadership from the Board. We won the display piece. It looks great. We are ok at routing. Not perfect or great, but ok. We're really lacking on the addressing. If we can get addressing even to the “ok” stage then a lot more people will use OSM, which means more editors, more community and more data. This is because the main use for maps today by the public is to get somewhere, and we can't help with that without all three pieces. Right now we have 2/3. I jumped ahead because I see this every day, and I understand not everybody does. I think all the other things are good too, even every tree in OSM! I just know that if we had to pick one thing to focus on it would be addressing, as it will get all the other things to happen faster too. But that doesn't mean you can't add trees in to OSM at the same time, just that the shortest path to getting more of everything is to get more of addressing. Talk to emergency response teams, not only do they need addressing to get to response sites, but they need to know where every member of their team resides and how to get them to the response site. This is an area where OSM can shine. Also let's be clear - addressing isn't easy. It's complicated and hard. But that's a good goal to have, and OSM was complicated and hard in the first place. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] The world’s best addressable map
This is selfevident. Without more or less complete addresses the map cannot be used in, say, an ambulance application, or in a delivery service application, etc. It is unusable. But if there is a /critical mass/ of addresses for a town or a city, then the rest could be completed by the same ambulance or delivery service drivers. They actually drive to a certain address, and may mark it on the map for future calls or deliveries. On the other hand, in mountains I always rely on GPS traces, as a GPS trace means that someone really walked this way. A GPS trace is the most important in mountains. So World's most complete map seems to be OK. brgds Oleksiy On 23.10.2014 18:56, st...@asklater.com wrote: ... What I really mean is the “world's most complete open map”. There are three pieces to a modern map. There's the display piece, the routing and the geocoding. We won the display piece. It looks great. We are ok at routing. Not perfect or great, but ok. We're really lacking on the addressing... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] The world’s best addressable map
Thanks for creating this project in the first place Steve. In an interview earlier this year you said pretty much the same thing. I believe this is a vital step forward in the First World countries where other competing solutions, both local and global, are not delivering enough. However I disagree that this might be THE key issue. Where we are lacking even more at the moment is the world we knew previously as Third World but as Hans Rosling has demonstrated that name does not mean anything anymore. Let me take Botswana as an example, a project I've been trying to get rolling for the past year as Mapping Botswana. They do not have many addresses at all, in the newest areas they are creating US-style cul-de-sacs and putting addresses and streetnames but in the capital itself, Gaborone, the older areas are designed as plots, arbitrarily sized areas that encompass many buildings so your address will be Plot 525 and then you need to look for the correct sign to find the correct building. This plot data is currently not under a license we can work with. Elsewhere the rural villages are a mishmash of roads and paths and arbitrarily placed buildings mostly, with no street names or anything. The only thing we could use there is a census number that each residential building is supposed to be assigned. I doubt they were intended as addresses but we are looking into it. The offline apps and tools are vital here - in Africa, Asia and Latin America where mobile networks are still slow, still unreliable for coverage and data usage often pricey. Not to mention the map coverage is often limited to a name on commercial maps. This is where OSM makes a huge difference. I live in a country where Google has already StreetViewed most of it, a local service ja.is has imported all official address data (including bad data) and they also made their own version of StreetView called 360°. In Iceland we are up against corporations who are doing their utmost to make a good map and so we try even harder to be better. But we don't kid ourselves, if Iceland were deleted from OSM then there would still be good online maps from these other providers. The offline feature starts to give OSM an edge - they are something we should strive to make better, something done by many app makers, some of the good and some of the poor. If however Botswana were deleted then there are small parts of Botswana who would still enjoy pretty decent coverage on Bing and Google but all the rural areas, villages and hamlets, are not there. The HOTOSM projects and related ones are what is giving OSM the bite, in my view. Delete the ebola-affected areas from OSM and you set back local efforts and local knowledge with devastating results. Delete New York City data and you can still get around on Google or Bing or whatever, although you are missing out on many great improvements that have been made. This is my view of OSM, it matters most where there are no other alternatives. Best wishes, Jóhannes Þann 23.10.2014 16:56, skrifaði st...@asklater.com: I'm adding OSMF-talk since it concerns what I outlined in the original “vision statement” email. I was perhaps too specific and jumped ahead saying “world’s best addressable map”. What I really mean is the “world's most complete open map”. There are three pieces to a modern map. There's the display piece, the routing and the geocoding. We won the display piece. It looks great. We are ok at routing. Not perfect or great, but ok. We're really lacking on the addressing. If we can get addressing even to the “ok” stage then a lot more people will use OSM, which means more editors, more community and more data. This is because the main use for maps today by the public is to get somewhere, and we can't help with that without all three pieces. Right now we have 2/3. I jumped ahead because I see this every day, and I understand not everybody does. I think all the other things are good too, even every tree in OSM! I just know that if we had to pick one thing to focus on it would be addressing, as it will get all the other things to happen faster too. But that doesn't mean you can't add trees in to OSM at the same time, just that the shortest path to getting more of everything is to get more of addressing. Also let's be clear - addressing isn't easy. It's complicated and hard. But that's a good goal to have, and OSM was complicated and hard in the first place. Steve *From:* Oleksiy Muzalyev mailto:oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:53 AM *To:* Jóhannes Birgir Jensson mailto:j...@betra.is, talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org I agree that addresses is a complicated field. There are different historical systems, there are cities where even many streets are without names, etc. There is a lot of space for innovation, certainly. What I meant is that it is not obligatory to map a city
Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Modus operandi of the board
Hi Kate 2014-10-23 16:37 GMT+02:00 Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Perhaps the issues in the board is a lack of respect for each other. I don't see any disrespect from Simon when he referred to you speaking about you (and others) wishing to see more OSMF members. On the other hand I assume that you are aware that your accusation to Simon is explicit and sidetracks this thread. I'd love to come back to your suggestions - as far as I can follow you - and to questions raised before I don't see any statements so far: * I don't see any evidence that the OSMF is fundamentally broken. * And I don't see enough reasons why the full board should step down (not speaking about the lack of alternatives and bad timing) * Of course community should be involved - but there are enough items now on the agenda Frederik suggested (and I summarized above) which simply need to be put on the boards agenda. * Given board members are coming from several continents, I don't see why the board should meet face-to-face when there exist video meeting facilities. * On the other hand I'd like to really know what you (and others) think about Frederik's points raised in his manifesto as well as these questions to the board members: [1]. Yours, Stefan [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Foundation/AGM14/Election_to_Board 2014-10-23 16:37 GMT+02:00 Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com: Hi Simon On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 4:06 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Kate was complaining about the on boarding of new board members, she got at least an order of magnitude more support than Frederik and myself did, I don't think that there is any -accessible- board related institutional memory of note that is tied to board members. I do have to point to and thank Andy Robinson for his support in providing filing and mail services to the foundation for a very long time. I suggest you rethink your choice of words about me complaining. I was suggesting there are better ways to onboard people to the board. Frankly I was fine with my on boarding, simply because I've served on other boards before so I understand generally how it works. That is not the case for everyone else who becomes part of the OSMF Foundation board. Perhaps the issues in the board is a lack of respect for each other. -Kate ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GoPro video traces?
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote: But you can do this with TriggerTrap mobile app. It works with a dongle to control a variety of cameras. It has a 'distancelapse' mode, nice tutorial here: http://howto.triggertrap.com/howto/road-trip-timelapse/ Nice feature! I have sent a couple of emails to action cam manufacturers requesting a distance lapse function. It would be practical if the cams had it included already. Micru ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] The world’s best addressable map
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 6:56 PM, st...@asklater.com wrote: What I really mean is the “world's most complete open map”. There are three pieces to a modern map. There's the display piece, the routing and the geocoding. We won the display piece. It looks great. We are ok at routing. Not perfect or great, but ok. We're really lacking on the addressing. If we can get addressing even to the “ok” stage then a lot more people will use OSM, which means more editors, more community and more data. This is because the main use for maps today by the public is to get somewhere, and we can't help with that without all three pieces. Right now we have 2/3. A map is a representation of the world, and the most accurate it is, the more it helps. Given the current circumstances OSM is doing great at displaying, but the circumstances keep changing all the time and other actors are pushing forward, building up 3d models that later on can be used in mixed applications, and overlaying all kinds of data. I agree that most people just want to know how to get from A to B, the travel options available, and how long it takes. But then there is the whole business/tourism searching, etc. because a map is never just a map, it is a tool to make the most of the world. If you want to build the world's most complete open map, then you need to take into account all aspects needed for representing the world, which is basically *everything*. Anyhow, as mission it is challenging enough :) Cheers, Micru ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Een klein verhaaltje / A little story
Via de tool van Sander zag ik een straat waar ik nog geen huis nummers van had. Het was verleidelijk om de nummers gewoon snel te copiëren. Maar omdat ik toch met de honden buiten moest, besloot ik maar om een ommetje te maken langs die voor mij onbekende straat. Wat bracht deze kleine survey op naast de huisnummers ? Een zone 30, een gedenksteen aan Frans Abels (een toondichter 1899-1962) en een ontbreken pad en een vuilbak. En dat enkel op en ommetje van 10 minuten. Moraal van het verhaal ? Voor mij volstaat het kopieren van nummertjes uit AGIV Crab niet, ik kan beter met de honden gaan wandelen. Dan vergaar ik meer gevarieerde data en leer ik nog iets bij :-) From Sander's tool for the AGIV Crab import I saw a street in which I didn't collect house numbers so far. It was tempting to just copy the numbers. But since I needed to walk the dogs I decided to pass through that street. So what did I discover during this short survey ? A zone 30, a memorial for Frans Abels, and a missing path. It was just 10 minutes extra compared to our normal walk. Conclusion ? For me it is not sufficient to just copy numbers from a database. It's better to go out for a walk with the dogs. Using this method I collect more diverse data en I learn something along the way groeten/regards m ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] AGM announcements
Simon wrote: The scheduling issue is real and it flatly wouldn't have been possible to formally announce in time (which would have had to been 60 days back to give enough time to avoid the cut off without undue haste). The solution to this will likely be to disassociate GM scheduling from the SOTM event so that we can plan the GM well in advance. Indeed the task of organising the SotM program is a challenging one making it difficult to provide an exact time early on (a few more days earlier could be possible, but not 60). What is however possible is to confirm the day. It was probably always going to be the Saturday as the Friday before is a paid conference day and we like to have the last day to reflect on what the new membership means for the Foundation. I often feel that we let perfection get in the way of getting on and doing. Sometimes perfection is a good thing, but in this case I feel we could have got an initial message out with the formal confirmation following. Best, Rob ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Modus operandi of the board
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: What if we had some sort of compromise, and we asked the membership if we could hold another AGM in 3 months, followed 2 weeks (or so) later by an election? We've already talked about decoupling it from SOTM, and given what a global project it is, it's unrealistic to expect a majority of voting members to be able to attend SOTM. I haven't checked the bylaws, but I would guess there's no rule against having *more* than one AGM per year. OSM-US has started holding our AGMs remotely. I'm sure other groups do as well. If we did a 3 month time scale, we still wouldn't be making rash decisions, but we would have more chance of maintaining the momentum we've seen over the past month or so. The current board could also focus energy on preparing things so that there can be a smooth transition, even if there is high turnover in the board. I think it is reasonable postpone elections for three months considering current turmoil. With apologies to those that submitted their name in a timely fashion, let's ask for more candidates. We should also expect them to answer questions from the community. And as Richard said, maybe it the time for the rest of the Board to step down. They are more than welcome to submit their name for re-election. It appears to this outsider that not all Board members have been present. The new Board should take up a strategy to prevent burnout. As anyone who has ever served on a board, it is a tireless job with people constantly complaining about your decisions. At the same time, Board members need to step down if they can continue to actively participate. If they don't the Board needs to ask for their resignation. There has also been derogatory comments made about Steve. While only have playing with OSM for the past three years, I've known Steve that entire time. He has been an energetic supporter of OSM. Hurricane and Steve started and actively participated in the Seattle Meetup Group, which is one of the more successful groups in the US. Steve even led by example. He walked the streets in my neighborhood to prove that addresses don't have to come from imports. Of course it turned out we were too lazy and decided on an import instead. I can't speak to the old Steve, but my experiences for the past three years have been nothing but positive. (and no I didn't join Map Club.) Lastly, I'd like to remind everyone that the Board works for us. We should expect them to get our input before changing directions. As Kate has proposed, the Board should annually survey the community to get our input. As much as I respect Steve, if he get elected, even he needs consult with the community before setting goals. And we the community needs to hold the Board accountable to us. I'd like to propose that the new Board survey the community annually. We should also expect them to build a vision for OSM. While it appears that our current mission statement was constructed by the board, the vision statement needs to be developed by the community with the Board acting as a facilitator. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Candidate reminder: Membership status and questions to canidates
This a reminder to candidates that board members need to be members, not associate members. You should contact members...@osmfoundation.org to change your status from associate member to member if needed. I am not sure what would happen if someone with the most votes was not eligible to be a board member. Let's not find out, so make sure to mail to change it. See 82 of the AoA, as well as probably the Companies act. There are also a number of questions to candidates at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Foundation/AGM14/Election_to_Board. This has been the primary method of asking candidates questions in the past, so please make an effort to answer them. I haven't yet myself, but intend to this weekend.___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] The world’s best addressable map
2014-10-23 8:57 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: First question: how do you build the world's best addressable map ? Through imports or survey ? Is the timeframe that Martin puts forward fur surveyed addresses acceptable and feasible ? As for the imports: Wouldn't it be great that we would have import tools that can be used by many groups ? Just as we have great editors for manual mapping. Shouldn't the OSMF (or however) invest in a procedure + tools for import ? So when a group wants to perform an import, they only have make sure the license is compatible and the data has enough quality. The process of the import is already described, the tools ( task managers, data conversion, some quality checks etc.) are in place. They deliver the data and the import can start. I have the impression that right now each group has to take all those obstacles all by themselves. Maybe I have a totally wrong perception of the import process. please correct me if that's the case. regards m I partially share your impression that each group has to take obstacles by themselves. Since OSM is a social project I think it's good that people with experience on (importing) addresses and buildings share their experience. I see this happen on the @import list, user diaries etc. The somewhat scattered knowledge around could however be shared more centralized to make it a bit more accessible, so I created a page on the wiki (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Importing_buildings_and_addresses) in which anybody can share their knowledge (I will do so this November). Furthermore, SOTM Buenos Aires hosts 2 presentations on addresses. I don't see manual work for OSM as an obstacle. Any import (or survey :-) ) requires some manual work because the current map is far from blank, so the almost full-automatic import you describe is IMHO not possible. Though semi-automatic assistance by tools (like the wonderful Geofabrik inspector address view) help a lot keeping the work fun. As for tools: it would help when more tools for importing and updating could be programmed. As an example: I'm not aware of any tool which makes it possible to semi-automatically compare building outlines to the outlines of an updated government database, highlighting major differences in geometry. On the role of the OSMF: I think it shouldn't be the OSMF investing in a procedure + tools. It would already be great and an energizing factor when (members of) OSMF would express support for having more address and building data in OSM, be it either from surveys or from imports. Cheers, Johan On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: Steve Coast suggested changing the mission statement of OSM to be something like “The world’s best addressable map” I thought I'd separate out this into a new thread. As some backup, I attended my first SOTM-US in 2012 where Steve proposed we build an addressable map. A group of us from Seattle decided that we'd take that challenge and import addresses for Seattle. That import was completed. Here are the address related comments: On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-22 12:15 GMT+02:00 Steve Coast st...@asklater.com: Together, we could do this in 6-12 months and finish addressing in 1-3 years. At that point we wouldn’t have just made the world slightly better, we would have put a big dent in the universe. Nobody would use a closed map ever again, and it would be people like you that made it happen. I agree with you that addressing is very important for a lot of commercial (and non-commercial) map users. What I don't understand is how a paid board would help us map more addresses. Unfortunately mapping addresses is typically less fun than going to the video arcade. Looking at the current figures we are not doing too bad. Currently there are 130 Million buildings in OSM and 46 Million housenumbers. I don't know exactly how many buildings there are in the world, and how many of them don't have addresses, but I guess it will be at least 1 Billion addresses in the world, probably more. According to the stats page we have roughly 25.000 active contributors a month ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stats#Contributor_Stats ). To get an address on all currently mapped buildings in three years time, (84M to go), every active contributor would have to add 93 addresses a month - constantly. To get 1 Billion addresses mapped by 25.000 contributors in 3 yrs, it would be housenumbers a month per active contributor. Are we planning to pay the mappers as well? The only solution seems to get more contributors mapping, and have them insert addresses. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:59 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: It would be nice to know how many of the buildings and house numbers in OSM were imported versus surveyed / drawn by hand. I have a bad feeling about how
[OSM-talk] Simon Poole resigns
I've only spotted this on OSMF-talk so far but feel it should be shared here: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2014-October/002773.html I'm still reading through the OSMF-talk mailing list, but so far it looks like Simon has not yet provided any reason (which is fine for now as heat of the moment messages can turn out to be very bad). Thank you Simon for your work and input into the OSMF Board. Regards, Rob ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] The world’s best addressable map
It was not my intention to set up a full-automatic import. I wanted to come to a automatic process where the data is made available to mappers for import. E.g. the complete tool chain used by the Dutch import could be available to other countries. So they can easily use the same programs, infrastructure, etc. They just need to provide the data to be imported. The tool chain processes the data and makes it available for download by e.g. a JOSM plugin , a task manager or whatever. From there the manual step starts (downlaod, merge + correct + upload). Hope this clarifies what my ideas are. My apologies for my ignorance, but even after looking at some video's of SOTM on what OSMF and the different working groups are doing it is still not clear to me whether there is a group that could start looking for funding such an import tool chain and infrastructure. For me, when someone states our mission is XXX', they also have to provide the resources to achieve that, or at least support people that want to work on it. So on one hand I read a mission statement and a question on how to define the new playground, but you are now saying that a question for toys on the playground should not asked at that group ? Or am I mixing people and groups ? regards m On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Johan C osm...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-23 8:57 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: First question: how do you build the world's best addressable map ? Through imports or survey ? Is the timeframe that Martin puts forward fur surveyed addresses acceptable and feasible ? As for the imports: Wouldn't it be great that we would have import tools that can be used by many groups ? Just as we have great editors for manual mapping. Shouldn't the OSMF (or however) invest in a procedure + tools for import ? So when a group wants to perform an import, they only have make sure the license is compatible and the data has enough quality. The process of the import is already described, the tools ( task managers, data conversion, some quality checks etc.) are in place. They deliver the data and the import can start. I have the impression that right now each group has to take all those obstacles all by themselves. Maybe I have a totally wrong perception of the import process. please correct me if that's the case. regards m I partially share your impression that each group has to take obstacles by themselves. Since OSM is a social project I think it's good that people with experience on (importing) addresses and buildings share their experience. I see this happen on the @import list, user diaries etc. The somewhat scattered knowledge around could however be shared more centralized to make it a bit more accessible, so I created a page on the wiki (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Importing_buildings_and_addresses) in which anybody can share their knowledge (I will do so this November). Furthermore, SOTM Buenos Aires hosts 2 presentations on addresses. I don't see manual work for OSM as an obstacle. Any import (or survey :-) ) requires some manual work because the current map is far from blank, so the almost full-automatic import you describe is IMHO not possible. Though semi-automatic assistance by tools (like the wonderful Geofabrik inspector address view) help a lot keeping the work fun. As for tools: it would help when more tools for importing and updating could be programmed. As an example: I'm not aware of any tool which makes it possible to semi-automatically compare building outlines to the outlines of an updated government database, highlighting major differences in geometry. On the role of the OSMF: I think it shouldn't be the OSMF investing in a procedure + tools. It would already be great and an energizing factor when (members of) OSMF would express support for having more address and building data in OSM, be it either from surveys or from imports. Cheers, Johan On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: Steve Coast suggested changing the mission statement of OSM to be something like “The world’s best addressable map” I thought I'd separate out this into a new thread. As some backup, I attended my first SOTM-US in 2012 where Steve proposed we build an addressable map. A group of us from Seattle decided that we'd take that challenge and import addresses for Seattle. That import was completed. Here are the address related comments: On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-22 12:15 GMT+02:00 Steve Coast st...@asklater.com: Together, we could do this in 6-12 months and finish addressing in 1-3 years. At that point we wouldn’t have just made the world slightly better, we would have put a big dent in the universe. Nobody would use a closed map ever again, and it would be people like you that made it happen. I agree with you that addressing is very important for a
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Maps for townland plotting
Howdy. Working through the videos/process. Some small questions/observations... Do you want the reserve/freeing process in Mapcraft apply to when you are editing the townlands in OSM or just when perparing the map/rectification in mapwarper? In Josm 7643 importing townland boudaries styles etc I notice the Irish options do not appear as per youtube video (at least for me): Irish Map Paint Styles seems to appear in list as townland.mapcss Irish Tagging Presets seems to appear in list as irishboundaries.xml Cheers, - jk On 22 October 2014 18:06, Donal Diamond donal.diam...@gmail.com wrote: Uploaded: http://mapwarper.net/maps/4820 Good Luck! D On 22 October 2014 16:52, Mark Tully markjtu...@gmail.com wrote: Could I please request 20/21 NW Thanks, Mark On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Donal Diamond donal.diam...@gmail.com wrote: IRL-GSGS-3906-26-21-NE-Clane.tif uploaded http://mapwarper.net/maps/4800 D On 20 October 2014 16:45, John Kennedy jkenned...@gmail.com wrote: Impressive work. I would like to request 26/21 NE Thx, - John On 19 October 2014 21:42, Patrick Matthews mullinalag...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Donal On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Donal Diamond donal.diam...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 October 2014 16:47, Patrick Matthews mullinalag...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to request 20-27-NW, 20-27-SW, 20-27-SE, 23-27-SW. Done: http://mapwarper.net/maps?field=titlequery=IRL-GSGS-3906-20-27show_warped=0 http://mapwarper.net/maps?field=titlequery=IRL-GSGS-3906-23-27show_warped=0 Donal ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [Talk-de] Karte auf openstreetmap.de defekt
Am 23. Oktober 2014 03:21 schrieb Wolfgang Hinsch osm-lis...@ivkasogis.de: Ich vermute, dass das mit der kaputten Platte auf dem devserver zusammenhängt auf dem dieses komische iLike OSM läuft. Das wars ich hab das fürs Erste mal im Quellcode auskommentiert. Von mir aus kann es auskommentiert bleiben. Wer brauchts? brauchen wäre übertrieben, aber vielleicht gibt es ja ein paar spannende Ergebnisse? Gibt es denn die dabei angefallenen Daten noch oder sind die mit der Platte kaputtgegangen? Wurden da schonmal Auswertungen gezeigt? Wurden bei dem Test interessante Erkenntnisse gewonnen? Gruß, Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Karte auf openstreetmap.de defekt
Am 23.10.2014 03:21, schrieb Wolfgang Hinsch Das wars ich hab das fürs Erste mal im Quellcode auskommentiert. Von mir aus kann es auskommentiert bleiben. Wer brauchts? +1 Grüße, Michael. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Handy Halterung Fahrrad Mapillary?
Ja, ich habe gerade einen Finn von Daniel (CityBikeGuide) bekommen und wir testen. Ich hoffe dass es gut funktioniert - die Halterung is super zum mitnehmen. Das Einzige ist dass Querformat mit grossen Handys nicht optimal ist, aber da können wir vielleicht noch produktmässig ein wenig Einfluss ausüben. Werde versuchen unser Ergebnisse zu bloggen! /peter 2014-09-21 17:20 GMT+02:00 Kolossos t...@alder-digital.de: Der Finn tut seinen Job auf Asphalt, aber schon auf Kopfsteinpflaster verwackeln die Bilder[1]. Für MTB-Strecken empfehle ich die eine Helmhalterung, weil da die Evolution einen zusätzlichen Stoßdämpfer eingebaut hat (deinen Kopf). Direktes Sonnenlicht hilft die Belichtungszeit kurz zu halten. Den Luftdruck im Vorderreifen zu reduzieren hilft etwas. Grüße Tim [1]http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/HBMFQnhirrAO5VJTa_dxqA http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/M1VI7XDQX8tYWYvn_9rUOg Am 21.09.2014 um 11:25 schrieb Jochen: Für Grazer kann es nur eine Lösung geben: Finn von BikeCityGuide, die haben doch ihre Zentrale vor Ort. Sprich die doch mal direkt an. Soweit ich weiß, sind noch weitere Halterungen in Entwicklung. Finn hat den Eurobike Award 2014 bekommen. http://getfinn.com/de/ Ich habe eine Mittelkamera am Smartphone und ziehe immer einen Eckenspanner zur anderen Seite: Das hält auf übelstem Kopfsteinpflaster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqDNN4gdJys Ungefedertes Hollandrad, Kamera so tief eingestellt, dass man keine Personen sieht. Beste Grüße aus DD Jochen Finn kann man auch gut am Rucksack fixieren. Am 20.09.2014 um 13:53 schrieb Lars Schimmer: Hallo Ich bin ein wenig stärker auf den Mapillary.com Zug aufgesprungen und habe bisher einiges in Graz aus der Hand aufgenommen und in Mapillary geuploaded. Soweit so gut. Nun möcht ich das auch auf meinen Radtouren am MTB versuchen, aber die Freihand-Aufnahme ist da blöde. Hat jemand eine geeignete Halterung/Idee fürs Handy am MTB, damit die Kamera nach vorne zeigt, das Handy ned zu sehr wackelt, das Display zum Fahrer zeigt und NICHT berührt wird (scharf stellen, stop klicken,... darf ned aus versehen durch irgendwas an der Halterung passieren). Die normalen Halterungen taugen nix, weil die nicht die Kamera nach vorne zeigen lassen :-/ Danke. http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/bbox/47.0118827819824/47.1345024108887/15.3497133255005/15.534200668335 Oder auch Hildesheim/Mera Luna ;-) MfG, Lars Schimmer ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Handy Halterung Fahrrad Mapillary?
Lars Schimmer wrote on 20.09.2014 13:53: Hat jemand eine geeignete Halterung/Idee fürs Handy am MTB, damit die Kamera nach vorne zeigt, das Handy ned zu sehr wackelt, das Display zum Fahrer zeigt und NICHT berührt wird (scharf stellen, stop klicken,... darf ned aus versehen durch irgendwas an der Halterung passieren). Die normalen Halterungen taugen nix, weil die nicht die Kamera nach vorne zeigen lassen :-/ Hab den Westen von Aachen mit der Konstruktion mapillariert (? :-) http://imgur.com/zQBbQk9 http://imgur.com/pBVXV5X Rohrisolation aus dem Baummarkt mit Schlitz nach oben mit insg vier Kabelbindern am Lenker festgemacht. Dämpft vibrationen nicht sehr gut, aber solang man auf Straßen fährt ists prima. Im Prinzip die Minimalversion von http://www.bodenseepeter.de/2014/07/01/how-to-street-view-a-bike-path-for-a-penny/ Die Kartonbastellei hab ich auch fertig gestellt, aber nicht am Rad montiert. Die kann ich nun an die Sonnenblende im Auto hängen. :-) -- Grüße Holger ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] devserver gauss.openstreetmap.de down
Hallo zusammen, weil sich die Mails häufen die mich darauf aufmerksam machen möchten, dass der devserver gauss.openstreetmap.de derzeit down ist. Ja, das habe ich durchaus schon gemerkt. Der Punkt warum ich noch einen Moment warte von Strato die defekte Platte austauschen zu lassen ist, dass ich den Nutzern des Servers noch die Möglichkeit der Datenrettung geben möchte so das noch möglich ist. Stellt euch einfach auf 1-2 Wochen downtime ein und schickt bitte keine Email mehr an webmas...@openstreetmap.de mit dem Hinweis, dass der Server down is. Gruss Sven -- Software is like sex; it's better when it's free (Linus Torvalds) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Karte auf openstreetmap.de defekt
Hi, Wolfgang Hinsch schrieb: Von mir aus kann es auskommentiert bleiben. Wer brauchts? die Idee dahinter kennst du? Wir (Frederik ich) hatten eigentlich vor zwei Jahren [1] etwas ähnliches geplant was vor kurzen von jemand anderem unter dem Titel Predicting data curation in OpenStreetMap[2] gezeigt wurde. Also auf Basis der Information WO sich jemand die online Karte ansieht und den Infos z.B. von der Bevölkerungsdichte Statistiken zu generieren wo evtl. eine gute oder schlechte Vollständigkeit vorliegt. Leider haben wir beide es bis heute nicht geschafft uns die gewonnenen Daten mal anzuschauen und vlt. nützliche Infos im Bezug auf Deutschland zu generieren. Die gesammelten Daten sind aber für jeden verfügbar und können genutzt werden[3] (ging bis zur Downtime des Servers). Viele Grüße Pascal [1] http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/ilike.pdf [2] https://www.mapbox.com/blog/osm-tracing-candidates/ [3] http://ilike.openstreetmap.de/ ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Karte auf openstreetmap.de defekt
Hi, Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: brauchen wäre übertrieben, aber vielleicht gibt es ja ein paar spannende Ergebnisse? Gibt es denn die dabei angefallenen Daten noch oder sind die mit der Platte kaputtgegangen? Wurden da schonmal Auswertungen gezeigt? Wurden bei dem Test interessante Erkenntnisse gewonnen? iLikeOSM wird mit der jetzigen OSM-DE Server-Downtime eingestellt. Es gab leider in der Vergangenheit mehr negatives als positives Feedback. Sicherlich hat dies u.a. auch daran gelegen hat das wir nicht so schön aufbereitete Ergebnisse wie andere zeigen konnten ;) Wie ich in der anderen Mail[1] erwähnt habe, sind/sollten aber zumindest die bis heute gesammelten Infos nicht verloren gehen und können für eine Analyse bis heute verwendet werden. Viele Grüße Pascal [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-de/2014-October/109615.html ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Neues von der OSM Foundation
Hallo, vermutlich ist das an der deutschen Community weitgehend vorbeigegangen, aber in den letzten Tagen hat es doch einigen Sturm im Wassserglas der osmf-talk-Mailingliste gegeben. Vermutlich war ich nicht ganz unschuldig, ich hatte mich zur Wiederwahl im Vorstand gestellt und dabei auf eine Reihe von Missständen hingewiesen, die leider immer noch bestehen. Daraufhin entstand eine größere Diskussion, die teils auf osmf-talk und teils auf talk geführt wurde. So die alten Themen, wie viel Führung braucht die OSMF, wozu sind wir eigentlich da, sollten wir nicht lieber viel mehr Adressen importieren, blabla. Jeder hat mal wieder alles gesagt, was er oder sie scheisse findet und was man vielleicht schon längst hätte besser machen sollen. Dann trat wieder unser grosser alter Vorsitzender Steve Coast auf den Plan und kündigte an, für den Vorstand zu kandidieren. In Folge hat unser aktueller Vorstandsvorsitzender, Simon Poole, seinen sofortigen Rücktritt erklärt. Das heisst also, bei der anstehenden Wahl gibt es nun drei Posten zu besetzen. Es steht auch die Diskussion im Raum, ob man nicht den kompletten Vorstand neuwählen sollte oder sonst irgendwelche radikalen Massnahmen ergreifen, aber das wird vermutlich nicht so kurzfristig passieren, eher, wenn überhaupt, dann über eine spezielle Vollversammlung oder so. Die wesentlichen Beiträge sind wohl alle auf https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2014-October/thread.html, bis auf einige, die nur auf der talk-Liste erschienen sind (zum Schreiben auf osmf-talk muss man OSMF-Mitglied sein). Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Neues von der OSM Foundation
On Thursday 23 October 2014, Frederik Ramm wrote: [...] In Folge hat unser aktueller Vorstandsvorsitzender, Simon Poole, seinen sofortigen Rücktritt erklärt. Das heisst also, bei der anstehenden Wahl gibt es nun drei Posten zu besetzen. Ist das überhaupt möglich - ich meine ein paar Stunden vor Ende der Nominierungs-Frist mal eben die Anzahl der Posten für die die Leute antreten von 2 auf 3 zu erhöhen? Meiner Ansicht nach dürfen sich bei einer ordentlichen Wahl die Rahmenbedingungen nach Beginn der Nominierung nicht mehr ändern, ansonsten muss das Verfahren neu gestartet werden - rein schon aus Respekt vor den Kandidaten. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Neues von der OSM Foundation
Hallo, ich wünschte mir, Simon würde seinen Rücktritt mal offen kommunizieren mit Begründung. Schade, das er das gemacht hat oder besser, das er sich dazu genötigt sah. Ich finde es gut, das die Probleme im Board vor der Kandidatenwahl publiziert wurden, danke Frederik dafür! Die Aktion von Steve, sich als Retter zu präsentieren, ist kontraproduktiv angesichts der Beiträge Einiger, wie er früher im Board agiert hat. Wirklich schlimm finde ich, das drei Board Mitglieder immer noch nicht an der Diskussion teilnehmen. Wann, wenn nicht jetzt, müssten alle, aber auch alle Boardmitglieder (und nebenbei auch alle Neukandidaten), sich mal positionieren? viele Grüße Dietmar Am 23.10.2014 20:14, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hallo, vermutlich ist das an der deutschen Community weitgehend vorbeigegangen, aber in den letzten Tagen hat es doch einigen Sturm im Wassserglas der osmf-talk-Mailingliste gegeben. Vermutlich war ich nicht ganz unschuldig, ich hatte mich zur Wiederwahl im Vorstand gestellt und dabei auf eine Reihe von Missständen hingewiesen, die leider immer noch bestehen. Daraufhin entstand eine größere Diskussion, die teils auf osmf-talk und teils auf talk geführt wurde. So die alten Themen, wie viel Führung braucht die OSMF, wozu sind wir eigentlich da, sollten wir nicht lieber viel mehr Adressen importieren, blabla. Jeder hat mal wieder alles gesagt, was er oder sie scheisse findet und was man vielleicht schon längst hätte besser machen sollen. Dann trat wieder unser grosser alter Vorsitzender Steve Coast auf den Plan und kündigte an, für den Vorstand zu kandidieren. In Folge hat unser aktueller Vorstandsvorsitzender, Simon Poole, seinen sofortigen Rücktritt erklärt. Das heisst also, bei der anstehenden Wahl gibt es nun drei Posten zu besetzen. Es steht auch die Diskussion im Raum, ob man nicht den kompletten Vorstand neuwählen sollte oder sonst irgendwelche radikalen Massnahmen ergreifen, aber das wird vermutlich nicht so kurzfristig passieren, eher, wenn überhaupt, dann über eine spezielle Vollversammlung oder so. Die wesentlichen Beiträge sind wohl alle auf https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2014-October/thread.html, bis auf einige, die nur auf der talk-Liste erschienen sind (zum Schreiben auf osmf-talk muss man OSMF-Mitglied sein). Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Wochennotiz Nr. 221 14.10.–20.10.2014
Hallo, die Wochennotiz Nr. 222 mit allen wichtigen Neuigkeiten aus der OpenStreetMap Welt ist da: http://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2014/10/wochennotiz-nr-222/ Viel Spaß beim Lesen! ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] Confronto DUG di OSM con ISTAT
Il 22 ottobre 2014 20:01, girarsi_liste ha scritto: Senz'altro è comodo, ma qualche riga di documentazione anche sarebbe comodo, sennò non si capisce a cosa riferisce l'erroe. sì, serve più documentazione più che errori, sono solo nomi che iniziano con parole che l'ISTAT non conosce: per Guido Polo manca Via o Strada privata o quel che è, per Rue Tabossi immagino che Comune e ISTAT debbano trovarsi d'accordo sul fatto che Rue sia una denominazione accettabile o meno e modificare da una parte o dall'altra, per ora noi possiamo solo controllare cosa dice il cartello e se corrisponde a eventuali dati aperti pubblicati e se serve usare anche tag come loc_name, old_name, alt_name Se cerco di aprire level0 una via me la rimanda nel Nord-Africa sì, non funziona, non ho idea a cosa serva quella mappa :-) grazie del feedback -- Daniele Forsi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it