Re: [OSM-talk] New ITO electricity distribution map
On 2014-04-30 14:20, Janko Mihelić wrote: Where do I add my suggestions? Same for me. I don't like that the background map is so invisible, that the city labels that do get generated seem to be generated at all zoom levels (which is really bad at low zoom) and that they can't cope with diacritics. And, are there no 300-350 kV lines or is it the color difference that is to small that I don't see them? Regards, Maarten 2014-04-30 13:49 GMT+02:00 François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu: Hi, ITOWorld power communication maps have been updated and are now online, as a result of the feedback I gave to their support team. Electricity Distribution map is now almost complete. http://www.itoworld.com/map/4?lon=2.51848lat=48.80986zoom=10open_sidebar=map_keyfullscreen=true [1] The main point was to deal with power substation inside stuff and pole hosted features. http://www.itoworld.com/map/4?lon=5.80635lat=46.05588zoom=17fullscreen=true [2] http://www.itoworld.com/map/4?lon=6.19542lat=46.07335zoom=14fullscreen=true [3] The map appearance will continuously be improved as long as proposals get accepted. Almost all mapped power=* features can be seen worldwide on this map, even if it's not always the case (and doesn't have to be) on the main slippy map. I want to thank them for time and resources investment. Everyone contribution get a lot of value through it. Cheers, FRANÇOIS LACOMBE francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com [4] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk [5] Links: -- [1] http://www.itoworld.com/map/4?lon=2.51848amp;lat=48.80986amp;zoom=10amp;open_sidebar=map_keyamp;fullscreen=true [2] http://www.itoworld.com/map/4?lon=5.80635amp;lat=46.05588amp;zoom=17amp;fullscreen=true [3] http://www.itoworld.com/map/4?lon=6.19542amp;lat=46.07335amp;zoom=14amp;fullscreen=true [4] http://www.infos-reseaux.com [5] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk-nl] Foute tileweergave bij oudere weergavemethode?
Het valt me op dat bij twee routingwebsites die ik veel gebruik, fietsrouteplannerzuid.nl en yournavigation.org, de weergave van de tiles vaak niet klopt. Er worden tiles van totaal andere gebieden weergegeven, vaak zelfs verschillende gebieden met een horizontale scheiding. En als je dan de kaart verplaatst wordt zomaar weer een ander (verkeerd) gebied weergegeven. Ik heb nu bijvoorbeeld op yournavigation.org een route gepland van Zutphen naar Helden, ik zie nog net een strookje Zutphen (van Utrecht tot Ahaus), daaronder een strook rond Paderborn (Bielefeld, Paderborn, Bennecken, Schladen), en eronder een stuk rond Leipzig (Landsberg, Leipzig, Bernsdorf, Welzow). Dit zijn allebei sites die nog de oude manier van projecteren gebruiken, met de zoombar aan de linkerkant, niet zoals de nieuwe slippy map (geen idee wat de technische naam is). Ik zie dit op IE9. Volgens mij ook thuis met firefox, maar dat weet ik even niet zeker. Zijn er meer mensen die dit zien? Is dit een probleem van die websites en/of de techniek die ze gebruiken of ligt het aan mij? Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Park Ride plekken in OpenStreetMap zijn slecht gelinkt
On 2014-03-06 15:22, Stefan de Konink wrote: Vandaag kreeg ik te horen dat de P+R plekken in Nederland op in ieder geval 161 plekken slecht gelinkt zijn aan de normale weg (en vervolgens slecht worden gelinkt aan bushaltes uit OpenTripPlanner). Mocht je in je eigen buurt een P+R kennen, kijk even of de nodes netjes aansluiten. Wat is netjes aansluiten? Moet er een weg over het P+R terrein liggen? Moet die weg een gemeenschappelijke node hebben waar die de area van de P+R kruist? Moet er een voetpad zijn? Misschien is het handig om een voorbeeld te geven van wat geen en wat wel een goed gelinkte P+R is. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Ecoduct
On 2014-02-27 10:15, St Niklaas wrote: Hi, Wat is de definitie van een Ecoduct ? Is een onderdoorgang dus een brugvormige eco passage ook een Ecoduct ? Als de onder doorgang er bij hoort, mijns inziens juist, dan ontbreken er nog een paar. Onder andere bij Elst (N225), De Bilt (A28), Waterloo (N227) en een tweetal bij Ankeveen (N236) zo los uit de pols maar er zijn er vast meer. Ik zou denken dat de benutting van het bruggedeelte zorgt voor de naamgeving. Een aquaduct is een kanaal dat met een brug over een weg gaat. Dus een ecoduct is een ecopassage die met een brug over de weg gaat. Als een weg over een ecopassage gaat is het gewoon een brug. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk] Not attaching polygons to roads
On 2014-02-26 11:42, Dave F. wrote: On 26/02/2014 01:02, Mike Thompson wrote: Wouldn't it be nice if the editors wouldn't allow polygon to connect to highways. The edges of some polygons are truly coincident with road centerlines. For example, many municipal boundaries. I'm not convinced this is usually true. It maybe UK specific, but municipal boundaries were more likely to originally be placed on physical boundaries to farms estates such as walls, fences etc. before tracks/roads were developed. Roads subsequently evolved along those boundaries afterwards. It would be pretty silly to have a municiple boundary splitting the centre of a road so different administrations were responsible for maintaining the left the right. Like here [1]. The border is in the middle of the road, the roadlayout and signage is Dutch, but the sign on the building to the left is German (and is on German ground). But the same is true for border rivers. Then there also has to be agreement in procedures. [1] https://maps.google.nl/?ll=50.860225,6.077156spn=0.006014,0.032873t=mz=15layer=ccbll=50.860226,6.077161panoid=SQRceC4dd39DbQRqRCy1zgcbp=11,195.8,,0,3.32 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Not attaching polygons to roads
On 2014-02-26 12:31, Dave F. wrote: On 26/02/2014 11:16, Maarten Deen wrote: On 2014-02-26 11:42, Dave F. wrote: I'm not convinced this is usually true. It maybe UK specific, but municipal boundaries were more likely to originally be placed on physical boundaries to farms estates such as walls, fences etc. before tracks/roads were developed. Roads subsequently evolved along those boundaries afterwards. It would be pretty silly to have a municiple boundary splitting the centre of a road so different administrations were responsible for maintaining the left the right. Like here [1]. The border is in the middle of the road, Actually in the /middle/ of the road? I see no evidence of that. I'm not suggesting Google Maps are definitive, but they show it to one side. Yes. In the middle of the road. See [1], In het midden van de rotonde stond gp230, translated: in the middle of the roundabout was gp230 located. The roundabout on the photo is located a bit more to the south where there is not streetview. That part was actually physically separated with a stone ridge, see the next photo. Now it is a joint road. GP231 is located when you take my SV link, turn around and go to the next roundabout. [1] http://www.grenspalen.nl/archief-denl/gp-depruis-nl-228-238.html Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Sending a message to a user from the website
I'm sure I'm missing something, but how can I start a message to a user from the OSM website? I'm in my profile, Im in my messages, but I don't see an option anywhere to start a new message. I have done it in the past, but that must have been from the old site. What button am I missing? Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sending a message to a user from the website
On 2014-02-08 10:34, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 08.02.2014 10:30, Maarten Deen wrote: That's a rather counter-intuitive way of doing it isn't it? Why isn't there just a button compose message like in any normal messaging or e-mail client? Yes, we could do it like it works with email - you get a text field where you write the user's name and if you misspell it (e.g. you lack a trailing space or so) then after a random delay your message comes back to you with a note saying it is undeliverable. Or there could be something that you check the user's name, or the possibility to find a user. Now I still have to have the correct user's name in order to find him in the first place. If I try to find the user Frederik Ram, I still won't find you and have no idea why. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Why Openstreetmap? (Slashdot and Guardian)
Two nice articles on /. and in the Guardian from/with Serge Wroclawski about OSM and why you would want to use it. Regards, Maarten (just preaching to the choir) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why Openstreetmap? (Slashdot and Guardian)
On 2014-01-30 08:05, Shai Efrati wrote: Thanks! can you please add the links? Completely forgot. *bumps head* http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/01/29/2128206/why-we-need-openstreetmap-video http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/14/why-the-world-needs-openstreetmap Regards, Maarten Shai. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Two nice articles on /. and in the Guardian from/with Serge Wroclawski about OSM and why you would want to use it. Regards, Maarten (just preaching to the choir) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk [1] Links: -- [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Is tile rendering on openstreetmap.org working fine?
I had quite some lag in seeing an area that I worked on being rendered on the map. It is rendered now, but while investigating I saw that the renderd queue lenght on yevaud [1] has shot to 1000 sometime last night and stayed that high. At the same time, the freshness of served tiles has gone from almost all fresh to 50% fresh, the dropped render requests have shot up and user processortime also. Is this a normal situation or does renderd have an issue? [1] http://munin.openstreetmap.org/openstreetmap/yevaud.openstreetmap/index.html Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is tile rendering on openstreetmap.org working fine?
On 2013-12-11 13:46, Tom Hughes wrote: On 11/12/13 12:38, Maarten Deen wrote: I had quite some lag in seeing an area that I worked on being rendered on the map. It is rendered now, but while investigating I saw that the renderd queue lenght on yevaud [1] has shot to 1000 sometime last night and stayed that high. At the same time, the freshness of served tiles has gone from almost all fresh to 50% fresh, the dropped render requests have shot up and user processortime also. Is this a normal situation or does renderd have an issue? It's completely normal when an update to the stylesheet has been pushed out as all tiles are effectively dirty and will try and rerender when they are accessed. Ok. I wasn't aware that there was an update to the stylesheet. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Google laat gebruikers eigen Street View maken
On 2013-12-10 18:22, Johan C wrote: Vanuit de Future Group weet ik dat er nauwelijks belangstelling is om na te denken over het punt aan de horizon waar OSM zou kunnen staan over een aantal jaren. Gekoppeld aan een her en der conservatieve cultuur (zelfs een aanpassing van osm.org [1] krijgt veel kritiek) hoef je niet te verwachten dat het huidige model van OSM gaat veranderen in de komende jaren. Met alle respect, maar een UI aanpassing van de kaart heeft toch hopelijk weinig te maken met de roadmap van OSM? Als het gaat over de toekomst van OSM moet er meer nagedacht worden over wat OSM is: een aanbieder van kaartdata of een aanbieder van diensten die op die data is gebaseerd. De huidige gedachtengang is meer dat dat laatste iets is voor anderen, die kunnen bouwen op de kaartdata die OSM heeft. Maarten Op dinsdag 10 december 2013 schreef Hugo Hölscher (hugoholsc...@gmail.com): Is in 2009 in de SotM ook voorgesteld en daar was veel weerstand tegen op grond van privacy issues. Als je dat wilt doen moet je personen en kentekens onleesbaar maken. We weten inmiddels hoe Google daar in staat. Ik zou het niet met OSM willen doen:-( Hugo Op 10 dec. 2013 12:27 schreef Bas openstreetmap-talk...@basdelange.com het volgende: http://tweakers.net/nieuws/93079/google-laat-gebruikers-eigen-street-view-maken.html [2] Zou leuk zijn als je op deze manier ook aan OpenStreetView kunt bijdragen ... ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl [3] Links: -- [1] http://osm.org [2] http://tweakers.net/nieuws/93079/google-laat-gebruikers-eigen-street-view-maken.html [3] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk] Good use of time ...
On 2013-12-02 14:38, Barry Hunter wrote: On 2 December 2013 13:17, Lester Caine wrote: what is 'export' intended to do? It gives option to select an area, then download a osm XML file. Exports the map as data. If the area is big, gives direct links to various bulk options. There was an option to download to PDF and PNG, which was nice so you could make a printed map immediately. Why has that been removed? Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Good use of time ...
On 2013-12-02 14:57, Lester Caine wrote: Maarten Deen wrote: On 2013-12-02 14:38, Barry Hunter wrote: On 2 December 2013 13:17, Lester Caine wrote: what is 'export' intended to do? It gives option to select an area, then download a osm XML file. Exports the map as data. If the area is big, gives direct links to various bulk options. There was an option to download to PDF and PNG, which was nice so you could make a printed map immediately. Why has that been removed? That is part of 'Share' now Maarten ... This is the sort of help file that is missing :( Which then prompts me to ask why this is different from export? And since it's very hidden (no, these pictograms are not intuitive to me), it's not very public. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page
How do I close the Welcome to openstreetmap box on the new map page? Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page
On 2013-11-30 13:51, Rob Nickerson wrote: How do I close the Welcome to openstreetmap box on the new map page? [snip] On the subject of the Welcome Text, the idea of being able to close the welcome box was discussed but ultimately not implemented. The box does go away if you log in. I should add that the decision to not be able to close the welcome box for non-logged in users was a design choice by the main developer of this redesign (that is it may not reflect the opinion of other OSM community members, system admins, or developers). This means that you are welcome to submit a change to the website's code if you wish and it will be considered as with all other changes. I appreciate that this may not be what you wanted to hear, but as with any big change, there is likely to be a few teething issues. Yeah. This is a bad decision. That means that non-logged in users (which is any user that does not have an account, and that would be the majority of the users of the map page, if it is successful) will be bothered by this box all the time. I do have an account but I am not logged in most of the time. Why? When I'm not working at my computer, I'm not logged in. And when I'm working at my computer, after x days I'm not logged in (you may be aware that you get logged out after a certain number of days, even when you check the box remember me. Apparently openstreetmap don't want to remember me.) So yes: this is a bad decision and I can only ask to make something that you can close this box ASAP. Just out of curiosity: what reasoning was there behind leaving something like this on on the map? Cleary the whole redesing is geared to unclutter the map page, and it does succeed in that. Then why have this annoying box there? Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Welcome box on the new map page
On 2013-11-30 20:24, SomeoneElse wrote: I understand the reticence on behalf of many people to criticise suggestions from the (not being directly paid to do so) developers of the osm.org site. As a software developer myself, being asked how am I supposed to use _that_? and being told that's rubbish, please start again! aren't nice, but sometimes are necessary. I'm also aware of the alleged Henry Ford quote If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - people are naturally resistant to change, failing to appreciate changes that can allow better things to happen in the future. However in this case I think the new design has genuinely got it wrong and needs a serious rethink - what should be the site design that casual visitors see? What about regular mappers who just want to get at the boring numbers? What comes to my mind is If it ain't broken, don't fix it. I fail to see the rationale behind changing the looks of the osm map page again. What was wrong with it that needed to be fixed with this update? It all seems so Windows 8ish to me (and while taste is personal, I do want to say that it is not a look that I like, and I hate that so many website do seem to adopt this style, like Microsoft is some kind of style guru). I hadn't even noticed that the pages for individual nodes, ways and relations had changed. I immediately see one big problem with the boxes in a small left column approach: what when there is a lot of data in the value? Have a look at http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/9133666/history and notice how the tiger:source and tiger:tlid values get obscured by the map. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] very long multiple int_name tags in Near East
On 2013-11-20 11:07, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I recently noticed that there are very long values in int_name for some cities in Near East, e.g. the City of Sidon: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/564348842 [1] with the int_name value: Saida,Sayda,Saïda,Sidon,Sidon,Sidonas,Sidone,Sidón,Sydon,Sídon,Şaydā,Σιδώνα,Сидон,Сидонъ,צידון,صيدا,صَيْدَا,サイダ, Sidon What is your opinion on these, wouldn't that go better into different name tags? Yes they should. The first version has a comment bulk import of places, so I assume other places in the vicinity have the same problem. Basically it is an example of how not to do imports. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] very long multiple int_name tags in Near East
On 2013-11-20 11:21, Pieren wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Yes they should. The first version has a comment bulk import of places, so I assume other places in the vicinity have the same problem. Basically it is an example of how not to do imports. Yes. And the changeset is for 24174 place names. Probably the easiest is to remove the int_name tag completely. Certainly the easiest. But maybe some logic could be applied. Are the names listed in the same order of country every time? Some names can probably be identified by the charset: greek and hebrew are easy picks. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] very long multiple int_name tags in Near East
On 2013-11-20 23:49, Florian Lohoff wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 01:13:34PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2013/11/20 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de I agree, but what will we do on a practical level? I checked a dozen arbitrary nodes and apparently nobody has cleaned up any of these in the past 4 years: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3118180 and we are talking about 24174 nodes. What is the general opinion on putting all those int_names (ideally only those with more than one value, but how do you check this?) into a new temporary tag fixme:int_name like Peter suggested? Or are there 241 people interested in solving this manually, so everybody only has to check/fix 100 items? As the order on the int_names might have changed due to edits afterwards i'd be very careful to convert them automatically to the name:languagecode version which is the right way to do it. If one could reconstruct the order/tag from the original import and its the same all the time i'd vote for changing them. You'd just need to get the first version of the nodes. That's not very hard to do. That nobody cared in 4 years is not an argument to delete it or change it. Very true. Probably people have been happy with the results of nominatim which parses it? Does Nominatim parse it? Or does it only parse the name:lang tags? I can't imagine it does something (certainly not something smart) with those concatenated int_name tags. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas
I came across this gem: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/45.34907/9.31020 Is this really how we want to map toll areas? A seperate way for each lane? (forget the fact that half of them aren't even connected). I can imagine having seperate lanes for seperate payment methods, but IMHO this is just silly. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries export
On 2013-10-03 14:53, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2013/10/3 Pieren pier...@gmail.com All the states or countries maps I've seen in my life used the coastline. It does not mean that the sovereignty stops at the water line. It's just a convention. how many states or country maps have you seen in scale 1:1000? All maps I have seen make a clear distinction between land and sea. Only a very small number of maps I've seen actually show borders on international waters. So it all depends on what you want to show and how you visualise it. If you make a map of Germany or the Netherlands with one color within the borders in the sense of territorial waters, I think few people would recognise them. For the netherlands, you would have a smooth coastline without islands (Zeeland and Waddeneilanden). Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Outperforming TomTom
On 2013-09-12 10:07, Lester Caine wrote: Johan C wrote: Unfortunately not available everywhere yet, but as a step towards becoming the best map in the world: after the publication of open address data in the Netherlands two years ago, starting this month open traffic data will be available in The Netherlands http://www.ndw.nu/pagina/nl/103/datalevering/ This will mean that OSM navigation apps will be able to outperform TomTom due to the better road quality. Hopefully the rest of Europe can follow soon. This would inevitably mean headlines in major newspapers and therefore a huge increase in mappers. Let's rock! It always amuses me that 'the cloud' was originally about using all of the spare processing power available and sharing out problems. Since the majority of sat nav's are now smart devices, why can't they all be reporting back the average speed where they are so we can automatically map the current traffic hot spots? To my mind that is the next logical step for the routing software? Of cause some will complain about 'privacy' but personally I'd be happy for people to know where I am, so a permanent sat nav in the car rather than one in my pocket makes even more sense if I want to know where my car has gone ;) That is already being done with cellphones: [1] (dutch). The problem with conventional sat-nav is that they were not connected to the could. Only recently cellphones (smartphones) have become powerful and usable enough to be used for navigation. Furthermore: it requires an active data connection, something I don't have or want (and I'm probably not the only one, no I don't want everyone to know where I am). GSM is a much better tool for this anyway. Traffic information was always sent to satnav devices using FM. [1] http://verkeer.wikia.com/wiki/Verkeersmonitoring_met_Floating_Car_Data_via_GSM Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [josm-dev] An incredible and unexpected use of JOSM
On 2013-09-11 09:21, Florian Lohoff wrote: But i wouldnt be worried - There will be a day where OSM will be THE ONLY important map provider. Its economically not possible for Nokia and TomTom to get the same map detail level as we do. So they'll highlight the crowd nature of OSM and try to spread FUD about reliability and accuracy of OSM for the next 10 Years. This has all happened before in the Linux universe and in the end there is Linux on any embedded device and server and the Desktop, Microsoft has been dominating for 30 Years will be irrelevant by tomorrow. This is so true. We only have to wait. Once OSM will be more and more known by the public and they see that they can get maps and updates for the entire world for free and that they can get updated maps (technically) every single day instead of having to pay € 100 euro (usually much more for in-car nav) for just the map or a year's worth of updates then the consumer will demand it. Really the only thing car manufacturers need to install in a car is an Android tablet. What we can do to accelerate that process is to make the map even better. So basically: carry on. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM
On 2013-08-26 14:41, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: tracks are a type of road set up for agricultural (i.e. local traffic of who works in the fields or forests or goes fishing) traffic. How do you know that without any signs next to the road? Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM
On 2013-08-26 15:50, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2013/8/26 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl On 2013-08-26 14:41, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: tracks are a type of road set up for agricultural (i.e. local traffic of who works in the fields or forests or goes fishing) traffic. How do you know that without any signs next to the road? the relevant passage is § 3 Abs. 2 Nr. 4 of Straßengesetz für Baden-Württemberg and various comments I found all point out that despite usually there will be signs the restriction will also be valid in absence of signs. My guess is you will have to know by common sense. I agree that this is not completely satisfactory. I was more referring to other places (in Germany and beyond). I have retagged some highway=track+tracktype=grade1 (sometimes +surface=asphalt) in Germany to highway=unclassified because I saw no reason why a normally paved road would be called a track. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM
On 2013-08-23 15:22, Darren Biggs wrote: I have been trying to have dirt roads show up in the render for about a year now. I see that that the Map legend has unsurfaced road. I have looked around but can not find any roads that have the Map Legends use of unsurfaced road(Road, but with dashes). I have looked in Europe and these roads, are listed as tracks, in America, this are roads, they just happen to be dirt. I am a cyclist so sometimes I am trying to find dirt roads, and while other times I am trying to avoid dirt roads. I think the general idea is that track is a dirt roads fit for two-tracked vehicles (cars, agricultural) and path is a dirt road fit for one-tracked vehicles (because too narrow for two-tracked). I would use these two for your purpose. That is as you rightly say how they are used in Europe. A track with tracktype=grade1 is could even be a proper road. Maybe you have some streetview examples of what you want to map? I could offer you this one [1] which I would map as a grade 3, although it recently had a load of gravel deposited on it, making it more a grade 2. [1] https://maps.google.nl/?ll=51.399194,6.029728spn=0.027631,0.067377t=mz=14layer=ccbll=51.399194,6.029728panoid=0Ua6ivYxS87FCOpXn_dtCwcbp=12,321.13,,0,18 Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM server problems?
I'm getting a lot of internal server errors reported by JOSM when I download (small) areas from the server. Is there a problem with the server? Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page
On 2013-07-29 01:47, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Greg Troxel wrote: add the shortlink link in the lower right, so you can more easily use it to get to a URL for the current view, so you can shift-reload to see what yfou just edited Click the View tab. /stuck_record Until there is a manual or a change log you will have to keep this stuck record. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
On 2013-07-21 22:06, Yohan Boniface wrote: On 07/21/2013 09:49 PM, Maarten Deen wrote: IMHO at the moment they have become superfluous. There is no way anymore to zoom in or out more than one step at a time by using on-map controls as there was with the old slider. So I'm using the mouse now to zoom in or out. Maybe not everybody knows this: in Leaflet maps, if you press Shift while clicking on +/- buttons, you zoom/unzoom with a factor 3. And so (as we are using Leaflet) it is the case on osm.org. What would be real great if this would work for the mousecontrols too. So that when you use the scrollwheel on the mouse while having shift pressed it zooms in or out with a factor 3. Because as I've said: using the mouse is way faster than having to go over to the +/- buttons. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is there some lag in the backend data?
On 2013-07-24 15:14, colliar wrote: On 24.07.2013 10:39, Andy Robinson wrote: From: Maarten Deen [mailto:md...@xs4all.nl] Would you two please report this at the right place. [1] ! Ticket created as https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/8904 Additions and observations to the ticket welcome. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Is there some lag in the backend data?
I made some changes this morning [1], most notably added some maxspeed tags. Now it's over 3 hours later and I download the same area again in JOSM and my changes are not visible. But when I look at the history of the items (e.g. way 6701036), the change is there. The history says highway=residential and maxspeed=30. JOSM does not show that on the item. I also can not open the changeset in my browser, it is trying to load now for 5 minutes. [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/17057508 Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is there some lag in the backend data?
On 2013-07-23 11:43, Maarten Deen wrote: On 2013-07-23 11:36, Shaun McDonald wrote: On 23 Jul 2013, at 10:27, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: I made some changes this morning [1], most notably added some maxspeed tags. Now it's over 3 hours later and I download the same area again in JOSM and my changes are not visible. But when I look at the history of the items (e.g. way 6701036), the change is there. The history says highway=residential and maxspeed=30. JOSM does not show that on the item. I also can not open the changeset in my browser, it is trying to load now for 5 minutes. [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/17057508 This url opened straight away for me. It does now for me too, but when I download the area in JOSM I still get old data, with the newer data shown in the history screen. I had a thought and looked at the close open changesets in JOSM. JOSM told me this changeset was not closed even though the changeset screen said (and still does): Aangemaakt op: din 23 jul 2013 06:07:37 UTC Gesloten op: din 23 jul 2013 06:07:43 UTC I closed it and now it is ok. Glitch in JOSM. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Double-clicking on OSM map does not centre the map
On 2013-07-22 17:13, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 07/22/2013 05:04 PM, Maarten Deen wrote: What is wrong with having more and better features? What is the added value of removing features? At the time, Leaflet was considered to be the better overall framework, with nicer looks and better usability on mobile devices, and much smaller load times on slow connections due to its compact size. [...] Nobody's saying that Leaflet must stay forever; I have heard that with recent improvements to OpenLayers, some people even switched back to OpenLayers after using Leaflet for a while. That makes me think back 20-25 years when there was the compressionwar. Which was better, pkzip, arj, lzh? There were people that redid all their archives to the new and 0,1% better-and-improved version, just to save those few bytes. I am so happy people here have the time to move to a different framework and back again just because the next version is a little better. OSM would never go forward if that time was not on hand. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Double-clicking on OSM map does not centre the map
On 2013-07-22 14:31, Tom MacWright wrote: If anyone wants to do the work, head over to the Leaflet GitHub https://github.com/leaflet/leaflet [5] and go for it. I'm imagining it'll be a hard sell to the maintainers, because it would make Leaflet's behavior different than the vast majority of maps on the internet, not to mention all other open source map frameworks. Is that the standard we adhere to? Do it like everyone else does? I think OSM would not be here if we did. I don't know what other open source map frameworks are out there, this is the first I hear about leaflet (no, I am not in developing for OSM), but I have always disliked google maps' interface. They lack(ed) so many features OSM had, and now OSM is stepping down to their level by removing features and adhering to their standards. What is wrong with having more and better features? What is the added value of removing features? Regards, Maarten On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Peter, This double click was an easy way to obtain the coordinates of an object and share the information with the others using the permalink. This functionnality does not exist anymore. For example, If I search Tower of London with Nominatim, the map is centered on the tower and the share link I obtain gives me the coordinates of the tower http://mapui.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.50811lon=-0.07627zoom=17layers=Mmlat=51.50811mlon=-0.07627 [1] If I now center the map on an other point and add a Marker over the Tower, I do not obtain the coordinates of the tower. What I can share is a map where a marker is over the tower. And I am loosing the possibility to share information about the tower coordinates. http://mapui.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.50745lon=-0.0729zoom=16layers=Mmlat=51.5079mlon=-0.07673 [2] Pierre - DE : Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de À : talk@openstreetmap.org ENVOYÉ LE : Lundi 22 juillet 2013 5h10 OBJET : Re: [OSM-talk] Double-clicking on OSM map does not centre the map Am 22.07.2013 07:48, schrieb Maarten Deen: http://mapui.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/ [3][3] It is nice to give a link to the development map (at least I assume it is), but how do you set that marker? Regards, Maarten Don't use URL-Fiddling any more (if that's what you tried), but: - open the share box - select Include Marker (the marker is visible now in the current center of the map view) - drag the marker to where you want to have it, independent of dragging the map itself. I think - once one found out about the right Button (share) that's really an improvement and at least as easy as fiddling around the URL as it was before. regards Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
On 2013-07-21 20:18, Michal Migurski wrote: The new icons and map controls are good and I'm getting accustomed to them, but the process by which they made it onto the site worries me. IMHO at the moment they have become superfluous. There is no way anymore to zoom in or out more than one step at a time by using on-map controls as there was with the old slider. So I'm using the mouse now to zoom in or out. It's much faster than the +/- buttons. As far as I'm concerned they can be removed. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
On 2013-07-21 22:06, Yohan Boniface wrote: On 07/21/2013 09:49 PM, Maarten Deen wrote: IMHO at the moment they have become superfluous. There is no way anymore to zoom in or out more than one step at a time by using on-map controls as there was with the old slider. So I'm using the mouse now to zoom in or out. Maybe not everybody knows this: in Leaflet maps, if you press Shift while clicking on +/- buttons, you zoom/unzoom with a factor 3. And so (as we are using Leaflet) it is the case on osm.org. So it's what Frederik says, but it goes further. Not only does noone get informed, when there are changes noone (except the developers and maybe the happy few that get told) know how to use the new interface. That's the second thing I had to find out by first complaining that it doesn't work. And that's not a good thing. I find it out here. How does someone who only uses the map find out? Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Double-clicking on OSM map does not centre the map
On 2013-07-22 06:33, John Firebaugh wrote: The rationale for making the change in Leaflet is to make it so that you can zoom in several levels on a given point without needing to reposition your cursor at each zoom level. For that reason, I prefer the new behavior. Zooming in by using the scroll-wheel did the same in the old framework. Basically the new framework removes functionality. I don't think that's a good idea. I hadn't noticed this yet, but IMHO it's a bad thing. There are occasions when I am looking for a particular point to be the map center. Dragging the map to the center is no solution because my sight is not absolute and I do not know what the center of my browserscreen is. Included in the next set of changes to the map UI is the ability to add a marker to the permalink. It will be positionable via dragging. No URL editing required: http://mapui.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/ [3] It is nice to give a link to the development map (at least I assume it is), but how do you set that marker? Regards, Maarten On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org wrote: The relevant change in Leaflet: https://github.com/Leaflet/Leaflet/pull/1582?source=cc [1] - the new behavior matches all other map sites and frameworks I can think of, with the exception of Bing. You can replicate the old behavior by clicking the map and dragging it to change the center. There's no easy way to 'get the old behavior back' without doing a core patch to Leaflet, and given that this is the expected behavior with a clear 'other way to do it', I personally don't think it's a high priority to change. On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com wrote: I've noticed the same issue. I liked having an easy way to center the map. Is anyone averse to having this changed back? On Jul 21, 2013 8:02 PM, Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com wrote: It used to be that if you double-clicked on the map it would re-centre on the clicked point and zoom in by one level. Now it doesn't. It zooms in, but doesn't re-centre the map. When did this behaviour change? Is it desirable? I don't like it because now I can't centre the map (by double-clicking) and make a markerlink (by editing the permalink lat/lon to mlat/mlon). Best wishes, Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk [2] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk [2] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk [2] Links: -- [1] https://github.com/Leaflet/Leaflet/pull/1582?source=cc [2] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk [3] http://mapui.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
On 2013-07-20 08:16, James Mast wrote: I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short links to the map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to get the map location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down work for me. :( I agree to that. What's more: the map moves to the right when the sidebar closes after you click on the link, giving you a different map than you were looking at. It is not an improvement. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
On 2013-07-20 10:25, Richard Fairhurst wrote: James Mast wrote: I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short links to the map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to get the map location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down work for me. :( Ok, I've said this at least three times elsewhere, but for the benefit of those reading here: The View tab does the same as the Permalink button. Exactly the same. Always has. So you can right-click/copy the permalink from there. It does not do here. When I open the map it says http://www.openstreetmap.org in the address bar. I believe the real-soon-now intention is to have the URL continuously updating as you pan around the map (which is possible with JavaScript these days). Why not implemented that first then. Now we will have to wait if and when that happens and have an akward way of getting a permalink. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
On 2013-07-20 11:29, Paul Norman wrote: From: Andrew Errington [mailto:erringt...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:42 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls I also didn't see any consultation on this topic. Just another fait accompli. The pull request and automatic mail to the list went out 11 days ago. A test Which list? site on the dev server was set up. People commented, changes to the new UI were made. This was all done in the open and anyone could comment. Before that I believe there was a posting to the talk list, and before that many people brought it up as a feature they'd like to see out of samen's presentation. I haven't seen that posting. Can you point it out for me please? I must say, I have not heard anything about any discussion about this. I admit, I do not read all lists so it may be on some other list than talk. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
On 2013-07-20 13:35, Peter Wendorff wrote: Am 20.07.2013 11:53, schrieb Maarten Deen: On 2013-07-20 10:25, Richard Fairhurst wrote: James Mast wrote: I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short links to the map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to get the map location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down work for me. :( Ok, I've said this at least three times elsewhere, but for the benefit of those reading here: The View tab does the same as the Permalink button. Exactly the same. Always has. So you can right-click/copy the permalink from there. It does not do here. When I open the map it says http://www.openstreetmap.org in the address bar. I believe the real-soon-now intention is to have the URL continuously updating as you pan around the map (which is possible with JavaScript these days). Why not implemented that first then. Now we will have to wait if and when that happens and have an akward way of getting a permalink. I had to search for what Richard meant with View Tab, in German it's Karte (Map), but there he's right: clicking on it is in fact the same as the previous Permanent-Link in the bottom. Nevertheless one has to know it is or to know what the permanent link should look like. Ah yes, I see that now too. I never saw that feature before. That is quite handy, even though, as you say, you have to know it is there. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
On 2013-07-20 12:33, Paul Norman wrote: From: Maarten Deen [mailto:md...@xs4all.nl] Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 2:57 AM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls On 2013-07-20 11:29, Paul Norman wrote: From: Andrew Errington [mailto:erringt...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:42 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls I also didn't see any consultation on this topic. Just another fait accompli. The pull request and automatic mail to the list went out 11 days ago. A test Which list? All rails port pull requests and issues automatically goes to the rails-dev@ list, which is the list for discussion of rails port (web site) development If you prefer a format other than email, I believe if you watch the repo (where the source is) though github you can get all the updates. site on the dev server was set up. People commented, changes to the new UI were made. This was all done in the open and anyone could comment. Before that I believe there was a posting to the talk list, and before that many people brought it up as a feature they'd like to see out of samen's presentation. I haven't seen that posting. Can you point it out for me please? I must say, I have not heard anything about any discussion about this. I admit, I do not read all lists so it may be on some other list than talk. http://lists.osm.org/pipermail/talk/2013-July/067499.html (in reply to Andrew Errington) Okay, so you even have to read all threads, even if you don't find them insteresting anymore... Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Mapnik style bug in railway=subway
I'm not sure where to report this, I hope someone here can point me in the correct direction. Have a look at the subwaylines here [1] The middle one on the right of the marker is dashed, the top and bottom ones are not. All are tagged with tunnel=yes, the only difference is that the two that are not dashed have oneway=yes on them. It appears that oneway=yes on railway=subway does not get it rendered as a tunnel anymore. I think this should be corrected. [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=51.92378mlon=4.467769zoom=18layers=M Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik style bug in railway=subway
On 2013-07-16 10:16, Christian Quest wrote: railway=subway should not be on the route relation. I'll delete that and see if it solves things. Regards, Maarten 2013/7/16 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl: I'm not sure where to report this, I hope someone here can point me in the correct direction. Have a look at the subwaylines here [1] The middle one on the right of the marker is dashed, the top and bottom ones are not. All are tagged with tunnel=yes, the only difference is that the two that are not dashed have oneway=yes on them. It appears that oneway=yes on railway=subway does not get it rendered as a tunnel anymore. I think this should be corrected. [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=51.92378mlon=4.467769zoom=18layers=M Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Wiki down?
Is the wiki at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org down? I've been trying for about an hour now and can't get a connection. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
On 2013-07-09 09:20, Simon Poole wrote: Am 09.07.2013 09:13, schrieb Paul Norman: I believe both clickable POIs and routing are on the to-do list but have suffered from a lack of people/time although keep in mind clickable POIs means different things to different people. Yes, I pointed that out in my comment to the OPs blog post. The expectations still need to be managed though, the way both features are implemented in their current incarnations is clearly geared towards contributors, not the general public. The problem with OSM is that with Google, Google maps is the go-to site to get everything: map, routing, information. With OSM it is not. And while it is perfectly clear that OSM has limited resources and will probably never be able to offer all services from one portal, it is the biggest downside we have at the moment. I go to openstreetmap.org to see the map and/or search for places I go to osrm.at to get car routing I go to fietsrouteplanner-zuid.nl for bicycle routing in my neighborhood I go to maps.cloudmade.com for general bicycle or walking routing I go to opengastromap.de to get proper restaurant information (unfortunately Germany only) It just is less userfriendly than having it all on one site. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe Aldi folder al gezien?
On 2013-07-08 11:50, Stefan de Konink wrote: GPS Fietsnavigatie - TEASI ONE (149 euri) Speciale fietsnavigatiesoftware: voorgeinstalleerde OSM-kaarten van 27 europese landen Dit begint wel zeer interessante proporties aan te nemen :-) Ik roep tegenwoordig ook al tegen iedereen die een nieuwe navigatie nodig heeft: koop iets (telefoon, tablet) met Android en zet er een van de vele (vaak gratis, anders voor bijna niets) navigatieprogramma's op. Alhoewel die vaak ook nog hun makke hebben kan dat voor dezelfde totaalprijs als een TomTom, maar dan heb je wel gratis kaartupdates terwijl je daar bij TomTom ook al 75 euro per jaar voor betaalt. Ik rij zelf tegenwoordig rond met een Galaxy 7 tablet en OSMAnd. OSMAnd is er nog niet helemaal voor lange afstanden (afgelopen weekend een rit van 400 km en het duurde gewoon 15 minuten voordat er een route berekend was), maar voor het wandelen was het gewoon geweldig. De tablet past in de achterzak van mijn broek en als je even moet weten of je ergens links of rechts moet zie je binnen 5 seconden waar je bent, waar je heen moet en hoe ver het is. En daarbij gaat de batterij zeker 4x zo lang mee als mijn Garmin Nüvi. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] BAG gegevens Re: OSM Navigatieapparatuur
On 2013-05-29 09:11, Minko wrote: Wb adresnavigatie, zowel Lambertus' osm kaarten als mijn Openfietsmap zijn voorzien van alle BAG adressen. Ik was de BAG alweer helemaal vergeten, maar het lijkt me leuk om daar wat meer van te gaan importeren. De wikipagina's http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/BAG en http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/BAGimport zijn niet erg uitgebreid, bij wie moet ik aankloppen? Hierdoor is NL landelijk dekkend, al zijn er nog veel gevallen waar De gegevens moeten wel in OSM zitten willen andere kaartgebruikers er voordeel van hebben. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] OSM Navigatieapparatuur
On 2013-05-29 09:44, Frank Fesevur wrote: Op 29 mei 2013 07:43 heeft Maarten Deen het volgende geschreven: De eerste keer dat ik het zie: een dedicated autonavigatieapparaat met OSM kaarten: http://www.road-navigator.com/. O.a. te koop bij de action: http://www.action.nl/products/view/id/3136/-p/viewid/9/favoritelistid/45 Maar waaruit blijkt dat het OSM-kaarten zijn. Ik zie in ieder geval geen vermelding op hun website of in de Nederlandse handleiding. Mogelijk staat het wel ergens in het apparaat... Dat weet ik van iemand die dat ding gekocht heeft. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] BAG gegevens Re: OSM Navigatieapparatuur
On 2013-05-29 11:21, Gertjan Idema wrote: Mijn werk aan de import van BAG data staat inderdaad op een wat lager pitje. Dat komt deels door minder tijd en ook doordat ik me de laatste tijd wat minder goed kan concentreren. Het gemis aan adresgegevens in OSM duikt wel steeds vaker op in discussies. Misschien moeten we toch eens overwegen om eenmalig een import van adressen uit de BAG (panden is een ander v verhaal) uit te voeren en tijdelijk voor lief te nemen dat er soms dubbele adressen in de database staan. Daarna kunnen we scripts gebruiken om dubbelen en andere onvolkomenheden op te sporen en te corrigeren. En ook om nieuwe adressen (en panden) toe te voegen. Ik ben niet direkt een tegenstander van een automatische import (het geeft natuurlijk lekker snel resultaat) maar ik ben er wel voorstander van om het goed te doen. En daarmee bedoel ik dus de bestaande gebouwen opdelen in de afzonderlijke gebouwen en de huisnummers in de area van het gebouw te zetten i.p.v. afzonderlijke nodes met huisnummers neer te zetten. Vergelijk waar ik in mijn woonplaats mee bezig ben: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.318867lon=5.995507zoom=18layers=M Is het mogelijk iets te maken voor mijn gemeente (OSM file of wat dan ook) waar ik min of meer de data van kan overtrekken? Veel anders dan hoe ik het nu doe (met huisnummers die ik opschrijf als ik er langs loop) kan het niet zijn. Het scheelt me tenminste wel de tijd die ik moet besteden aan alle huisnummers langslopen. Maarten On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 09:41 +0200, Minko wrote: Gertjan Idema was bezig met een script om de BAG data eenvoudig te kunnen importeren in JOSM. Ik weet niet hoever het daarmee staat. Op het OSM forum zijn we er ook mee bezig, maar het project staat een beetje op een laag pitje: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=336687#p336687 [1] De gegevens moeten wel in OSM zitten willen andere kaartgebruikers er voordeel van hebben. Omdat er weinig schot in de zaak zit hebben we de BAG gegevens maar achteraf gemixed met de OSM data tbv onze Garmin kaarten. Het is wel beter om het in OSM te voeren zodat de straatnamen van het BAG beter gematched kunnen worden met die in OSM. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] BAG gegevens Re: OSM Navigatieapparatuur
On 2013-05-29 14:05, Gertjan Idema wrote: On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 11:54 +0200, Maarten Deen wrote: Een heel goed voorbeeld dat het niet altijd mogelijk is om adressen aan panden te knopen zie je bij Passage de Pit in Panningen. Dit is één gebouw met de volgende adressen: Raadhuisstraat 4-86 (5981BG) Markt 30-44 (5981AP) Raadhuisplein 2-4 (5981AT) Passage de Pit 2-7 (5981CS) Dat soort dingen zul je inderdaad altijd hebben bij hoekhuizen en etagewoningen. Ik zie wel dat de BAG een voorkomend probleem oplost: waar moet je bij flatgebouwen de huisnummers taggen: op de fysieke locatie of bij de (communale) ingang? De BAG doet het dus bij de ingang. Ik zal eens kijken of dat de enige ingang daar is, ik dacht dat er nog een was. Maar die site van die bagviewer is ook een goede. Daar kun je ook veel mee (als in: gewoon overtrekken). Is het mogelijk iets te maken voor mijn gemeente (OSM file of wat dan ook) waar ik min of meer de data van kan overtrekken? Veel anders dan hoe ik het nu doe (met huisnummers die ik opschrijf als ik er langs loop) kan het niet zijn. Het scheelt me tenminste wel de tijd die ik moet besteden aan alle huisnummers langslopen. Wel minder goed voor je conditie ;-), maar ten eerste kan je de huisnummers van de BAG viewer halen (zie link hierboven). Daarnaast heb ik zelf een tool waarmee ik BAG data uit een lokale database kan omzetten naar een OSM bestand. Ik zal je bestanden voor Panningen en Helden opsturen. Bedankt daarvoor. P.S. Staat Helden echt zo vol met hekjes? Voorbeeld? Bedoel je misschien de erfafscheidingen die ik op sommige plaatsen heb ingetekend? Ik weet ook niet of dat zo'n goed idee was (alhoewel dat in achtertuinen wel altijd hekken of hagen zijn). Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] OSM Navigatieapparatuur
De eerste keer dat ik het zie: een dedicated autonavigatieapparaat met OSM kaarten: http://www.road-navigator.com/. O.a. te koop bij de action: http://www.action.nl/products/view/id/3136/-p/viewid/9/favoritelistid/45 Software is van MapFactor, kaarten van OSM. Heel leuk in de FAQ: Ik kan het huisnummer in de straat waar ik heen wil, niet selecteren. Huisnummers zijn niet voor alle straten in de MapFactor-kaarten beschikbaar. Als een huisnummer nog niet beschikbaar is, kunt u naar een kruispunt met een andere straat navigeren of de optie overal op de straat selecteren. Dat is imho nog de grootste makke om OSM in navigatie te gebruiken. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps being praised for removing I-5 colasped bridge quickly
On 2013-05-25 07:09, James Mast wrote: http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/collapsed-i-5-bridge-gone-google-maps-almost-quickly-it-6C10067906 [1] If I remember correctly, we had it marked as access=no and the segment removed about an hour faster than on Google. Somebody needs to get ahold of Rosa from NBC (who did the article) and let them know about OSM pawning Google here. Google is known by the public. Recently there was an important addition to the motorways around Amsterdam here [1] (opening of the A5, 2e Coentunnel). Google didn't have correct maps until 1,5 week afterwards. Of course OSM had correct maps almost instantly (it was only unfortunate that there was a small error and that osrm only updates once a week). Maybe we need to be more vocal and send out messages to various news sites when a new road is opened and it is on OSM and not on Google. [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.4046lon=4.8371zoom=14layers=M Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps being praised for removing I-5 colasped bridge quickly
On 2013-05-25 12:19, pec...@gmail.com wrote: For those who are still naive to think that journalists find out these things themselves: Google has huge amount of money to waste on PR. If last two years is evidence everyone is happy to advertise new stuff of their maps, because it's very easy for people to relate to. Of course, money spent in Google terms is effort in OSM terms, since we all contribute to OSM without getting paid (ok, some are fortunate enough that someone actually pays them to work on OSM, but most of us are not in that position). I don't see how OSM would want to play this game. We don't see logic in this. However, this make PR work. Apparently there are people who think it is important. Why would we not want to improve on OSM by getting it know to the public? OSM starts to have a huge benefit for people. I can't download the maps for my navigation from Google, I get them from OSM. I certainly benefit from having a more complete Openstreetmap. Regards, Maarten 2013/5/25 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl On 2013-05-25 07:09, James Mast wrote: http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/collapsed-i-5-bridge-gone-google-maps-almost-quickly-it-6C10067906 [1] [1] If I remember correctly, we had it marked as access=no and the segment removed about an hour faster than on Google. Somebody needs to get ahold of Rosa from NBC (who did the article) and let them know about OSM pawning Google here. Google is known by the public. Recently there was an important addition to the motorways around Amsterdam here [1] (opening of the A5, 2e Coentunnel). Google didn't have correct maps until 1,5 week afterwards. Of course OSM had correct maps almost instantly (it was only unfortunate that there was a small error and that osrm only updates once a week). Maybe we need to be more vocal and send out messages to various news sites when a new road is opened and it is on OSM and not on Google. [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.4046lon=4.8371zoom=14layers=M [2] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Use of terms similar to GEOCODE
On 2013-05-23 14:38, Simon Poole wrote: As I promised in February I investigated with our North American counsel what they would consider acceptable use of terms similar to the GEOCODE trademark, they came back with examples that they all considered OK. I've created a wiki page for future reference http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geocode_Trademark [1] The lawyers didn't look at the use of geocode in the URLs of Google maps? Is that or is that not legal to use? Or better: are we or are we not allowed place such an URL in the wiki? Since that was what all the hubbub was about, the removal of all these links. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Use of terms similar to GEOCODE
On 2013-05-23 15:10, Simon Poole wrote: Maarten, there is no need to start the discussion at square one again. We did what our counsel recommended in February as reported then (so you can safely assume that counsel saw a certain potential for trouble in such usage). The list they provided is simply to illustrate usage that is unproblematic. That's why I ask. I certainly do not want to start the discussion about the removal again, but some specific steps were taken and counsel did not see it fit to give that an example that usage of such links is unproblematic. I find that strange and almost a sign that the usage of GEOCODE in URLs _is_ problematic (however unlikely I find that, but IANAL). Nevertheless, I take your answer as an there is no problem entering a URL with the word GEOCODE into the OSM wiki because that is what I would have liked to hear. Do correct me if I understand it wrong. Regards, Maarten Am 23.05.2013 14:57, schrieb Maarten Deen: On 2013-05-23 14:38, Simon Poole wrote: As I promised in February I investigated with our North American counsel what they would consider acceptable use of terms similar to the GEOCODE trademark, they came back with examples that they all considered OK. I've created a wiki page for future reference http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geocode_Trademark [1] The lawyers didn't look at the use of geocode in the URLs of Google maps? Is that or is that not legal to use? Or better: are we or are we not allowed place such an URL in the wiki? Since that was what all the hubbub was about, the removal of all these links. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Use of terms similar to GEOCODE
On 2013-05-23 16:00, Simon Poole wrote: Am 23.05.2013 15:35, schrieb Maarten Deen: On 2013-05-23 15:10, Simon Poole wrote: Maarten, there is no need to start the discussion at square one again. We did what our counsel recommended in February as reported then (so you can safely assume that counsel saw a certain potential for trouble in such usage). The list they provided is simply to illustrate usage that is unproblematic. That's why I ask. I certainly do not want to start the discussion about the removal again, but some specific steps were taken and counsel did not see it fit to give that an example that usage of such links is unproblematic. I find that strange and almost a sign that the usage of GEOCODE in URLs _is_ problematic (however unlikely I find that, but IANAL). Nevertheless, I take your answer as an there is no problem entering a URL with the word GEOCODE into the OSM wiki because that is what I would have liked to hear. Do correct me if I understand it wrong. I obviously didn't say anything of the sort. Please simply don't do it, as requested in February. Again, that is why I asked. Was it so hard to give this answer the first time I asked? I really do not want to go to this kind of nitpicking, but if people can not give straight answers to simple questions than apparently you have to start being pedantic to get them. Sorry for that. But please do not be evasive about this issue. It is uncomfortable and tiresome as it is trying to tiptoe around actions in the past without blaming people, but being unclear about what is and is not possible makes it only worse. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe Waalbrug A50
On 2013-05-22 09:27, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: nee, dat kan er niet mee te maken hebben, dit is een route die van tevoren berekend is. misschien dat ie ter plekke inderdaad voor een 'parallelbaan' zou kunnen kiezen als die niet helemaal lekker ligt. Het ligt er puur en alleen aan dat OSRM heel droog naar de snelste route kijkt. Paar voorbeelden: http://osrm.at/3eC http://osrm.at/3f6 http://osrm.at/2We http://osrm.at/3jr Vooral die laatste vind ik wel leuk. De N556/Stationsstraat is 50 km/h en de weg waarover gerouteerd wordt is vooral 80 km/h. In de berekening (wat heel simpel afstand/snelheid is) is die een paar seconden sneller. Maar goed, ik denk het voor iedereen wel duidelijk is dat je op die weg niet overal 80 kunt rijden. OSRM is vrij dom wat dat betreft. Maarten 2013/5/21 St Niklaas st.nikl...@live.nl Kan de aanleg van nieuwe en bredere wegen, dus gps verschuivingen er debet aan zijn ? Het verschijnsel trad op bij Driebergen A12li en Vinkeveen A2re. In beide gevallen is het niet sneller om de afrit te nemen. hendrikklaas - From: hugoholsc...@gmail.com To: talk-nl@openstreetmap.org Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 17:05:50 +0200 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe Waalbrug A50 Ik heb een aantal van die vreemde routes bekeken en het komt omdat de routeplanner de kortste of snelste route (maakt vaak niets uit) heel letterlijk neemt. Je zult zien dat de afslag vaak een binnenbocht is en met de zelfde maximale snelheid dus korter en sneller is. Er is dus meer intelligentie in de route planner nodig om dat soort hele strikte beslissing te omzeilen. Lijkt me een interessante uitdaging, Hugo FROM: Floris Looijesteijn SENT: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:43 PM TO: OpenStreetMap NL discussion list SUBJECT: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe Waalbrug A50 Ik heb dat gedrag vaker gezien op navigatiesystemen. Dat je je opeens rotschrikt en snel de afslag neemt omdat je niet bekend bent in de buurt. Om vervolgens beneden weer direct de snelweg op gestuurd te worden... Met onze data kan toch zeker een betere beslissing genomen worden. Routers zouden kunnen kijken het aantal kruisingen. Of gewoon een voorkeur hebben voor op dezelfde weg blijven als dat maar een paar procent in afstand/tijd scheelt. Gr, Floris 2013/5/21 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl On 2013-05-21 12:24, Martien Scheepens wrote: Hallo, Op de A4 hebben we al zo'n geval: http://osm.org/go/0E4wjRnhl- [1] [2] Ik vraag me af wat routeplanners er mee doen. Kortste of snelste route, al naar gelang het algoritme. Zie ook http://osrm.at/2We [3] waar de routeplanner doet of zijn neus bloedt en de korste/snelste route berekend via de afrit en oprit (snelheid op de op- en afrit is hetzelfde als op de autosnelweg). In jouw geval waarschijnlijk de binnenbocht, dus de linkse rijstroken. Maarten 2013/5/21 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl Vandaag is de nieuwe Waalbrug in de A50 bij Ewijk geopend. Ik heb de nieuwe situatie zo goed mogelijk van de paar keer dat ik er de afgelopen tijd langs ben gekomen gemapt en de oude brug op construction gezet. Verbeteringen zijn uiteraard welkom. Misschien een punt van aandacht: hoe wordt de nieuwe situatie gemapt met ways: de nieuwe brug heeft 1x4 rijstroken en zal dus eigenlijk 1 way worden, de oude brug blijft 2x2 rijstroken hebben en zal dus 2 ways blijven? Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl [2] [1] Links: -- [1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl [2] [2] http://osm.org/go/0E4wjRnhl- [1] ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl [2] ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl [2] - ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl [2] ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl [2] ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl [2] Links: -- [1] http://osm.org/go/0E4wjRnhl- [2] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl [3] http://osrm.at/2We ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe Waalbrug A50
On 2013-05-22 11:45, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: in dat laatste geval zouden de 4 keer vaker afslaan toch echt zwaarder moeten tellen dan die paar seconden tijdswinst. Het probleem is: wat is 4 keer vaker afslaan? Volgens de data is een rotonde oprijden ook een 90 graden bocht. Dus dan heb je ook al 4x afslaan via de normale route. maar goed: genoeg ideeën maar geen kennis of tijd om het zelf beter te doen :) Hier ook. En dan ook nog een ontwikkelaar die IMHO wel erg snel dat is een dataprobleem zegt zodat hij de routingengine tenminste niet hoeft aan te passen. Moeten we straks niet alleen gaan taggen voor de renderer, maar ook nog taggen voor de router. Maarten 2013/5/22 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl On 2013-05-22 09:27, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: nee, dat kan er niet mee te maken hebben, dit is een route die van tevoren berekend is. misschien dat ie ter plekke inderdaad voor een 'parallelbaan' zou kunnen kiezen als die niet helemaal lekker ligt. Het ligt er puur en alleen aan dat OSRM heel droog naar de snelste route kijkt. Paar voorbeelden: http://osrm.at/3eC [4] http://osrm.at/3f6 [5] http://osrm.at/2We [3] http://osrm.at/3jr [6] Vooral die laatste vind ik wel leuk. De N556/Stationsstraat is 50 km/h en de weg waarover gerouteerd wordt is vooral 80 km/h. In de berekening (wat heel simpel afstand/snelheid is) is die een paar seconden sneller. Maar goed, ik denk het voor iedereen wel duidelijk is dat je op die weg niet overal 80 kunt rijden. OSRM is vrij dom wat dat betreft. Maarten 2013/5/21 St Niklaas st.nikl...@live.nl Kan de aanleg van nieuwe en bredere wegen, dus gps verschuivingen er debet aan zijn ? Het verschijnsel trad op bij Driebergen A12li en Vinkeveen A2re. In beide gevallen is het niet sneller om de afrit te nemen. hendrikklaas - From: hugoholsc...@gmail.com To: talk-nl@openstreetmap.org Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 17:05:50 +0200 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe Waalbrug A50 Ik heb een aantal van die vreemde routes bekeken en het komt omdat de routeplanner de kortste of snelste route (maakt vaak niets uit) heel letterlijk neemt. Je zult zien dat de afslag vaak een binnenbocht is en met de zelfde maximale snelheid dus korter en sneller is. Er is dus meer intelligentie in de route planner nodig om dat soort hele strikte beslissing te omzeilen. Lijkt me een interessante uitdaging, Hugo FROM: Floris Looijesteijn SENT: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:43 PM TO: OpenStreetMap NL discussion list SUBJECT: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe Waalbrug A50 Ik heb dat gedrag vaker gezien op navigatiesystemen. Dat je je opeens rotschrikt en snel de afslag neemt omdat je niet bekend bent in de buurt. Om vervolgens beneden weer direct de snelweg op gestuurd te worden... Met onze data kan toch zeker een betere beslissing genomen worden. Routers zouden kunnen kijken het aantal kruisingen. Of gewoon een voorkeur hebben voor op dezelfde weg blijven als dat maar een paar procent in afstand/tijd scheelt. Gr, Floris 2013/5/21 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl On 2013-05-21 12:24, Martien Scheepens wrote: Hallo, Op de A4 hebben we al zo'n geval: http://osm.org/go/0E4wjRnhl- [1] [1] [2] Ik vraag me af wat routeplanners er mee doen. Kortste of snelste route, al naar gelang het algoritme. Zie ook http://osrm.at/2We [3] [3] waar de routeplanner doet of zijn neus bloedt en de korste/snelste route berekend via de afrit en oprit (snelheid op de op- en afrit is hetzelfde als op de autosnelweg). In jouw geval waarschijnlijk de binnenbocht, dus de linkse rijstroken. Maarten 2013/5/21 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl Vandaag is de nieuwe Waalbrug in de A50 bij Ewijk geopend. Ik heb de nieuwe situatie zo goed mogelijk van de paar keer dat ik er de afgelopen tijd langs ben gekomen gemapt en de oude brug op construction gezet. Verbeteringen zijn uiteraard welkom. Misschien een punt van aandacht: hoe wordt de nieuwe situatie gemapt met ways: de nieuwe brug heeft 1x4 rijstroken en zal dus eigenlijk 1 way worden, de oude brug blijft 2x2 rijstroken hebben en zal dus 2 ways blijven? Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl [2] [2] [1] Links: -- [1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl [2] [2] [2] http://osm.org/go/0E4wjRnhl- [1] [1] ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl [2] [2] ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl [2] [2] - ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl [2] [2] ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe Waalbrug A50
On 2013-05-22 12:21, Martien Scheepens wrote: Hoho. Dit is dus echt geen dataprobleem. Je algoritme kan zonder meer Daar ben ik het ook volledig mee eens. Taggen voor de router is het probleem van het algoritme verplaatsen naar de data. En dat moet je niet doen. een malus bevatten voor iedere actie die je als weggebruiker moet doen. Dit maakt de resultaten ook robuster voor noise als kleine zijstraatjes die 5 meter korter zijn. Daarnaast bevat OSM al data als junction=roundabout, highway=traffic_signals highway=motorway_junction, dus dit kun je zonder meer gebruiken als je het nodig zou hebben. Dit probleem zou ook over de snelheden te sturen moeten zijn. Het is ook ronduit naïef om de maximumsnelheid te gebruiken. Voor een afslag (waar je misschien 130 mag) is iets als 50 veel logischer. Vertel dat in Duitsland waar wegen buiten de bebouwde kom standaard 100 km/h zijn. Dat je dat op B-wegen vrijwel nooit kunt rijden weet de router niet. Maarten 2013/5/22 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl On 2013-05-22 11:45, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: in dat laatste geval zouden de 4 keer vaker afslaan toch echt zwaarder moeten tellen dan die paar seconden tijdswinst. Het probleem is: wat is 4 keer vaker afslaan? Volgens de data is een rotonde oprijden ook een 90 graden bocht. Dus dan heb je ook al 4x afslaan via de normale route. maar goed: genoeg ideeën maar geen kennis of tijd om het zelf beter te doen :) Hier ook. En dan ook nog een ontwikkelaar die IMHO wel erg snel dat is een dataprobleem zegt zodat hij de routingengine tenminste niet hoeft aan te passen. Moeten we straks niet alleen gaan taggen voor de renderer, maar ook nog taggen voor de router. Maarten 20 On 2013-05-22 09:27, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: nee, dat kan er niet mee te maken hebben, dit is een route die van tevoren berekend is. misschien dat ie ter plekke inderdaad voor een 'parallelbaan' zou kunnen kiezen als die niet helemaal lekker ligt. Het ligt er puur en alleen aan dat OSRM heel droog naar de snelste route kijkt. Paar voorbeelden: http://osrm.at/3eC [4] [4] http://osrm.at/3f6 [5] [5] http://osrm.at/2We [3] [3] http://osrm.at/3jr [6] [6] Vooral die laatste vind ik wel leuk. De N556/Stationsstraat is 50 km/h en de weg waarover gerouteerd wordt is vooral 80 km/h. In de berekening (wat heel simpel afstand/snelheid is) is die een paar seconden sneller. Maar goed, ik denk het voor iedereen wel duidelijk is dat je op die weg niet overal 80 kunt rijden. OSRM is vrij dom wat dat betreft. Maarten 2013/5/21 St Niklaas st.nikl...@live.nl Kan de aanleg van nieuwe en bredere wegen, dus gps verschuivingen er debet aan zijn ? Het verschijnsel trad op bij Driebergen A12li en Vinkeveen A2re. In beide gevallen is het niet sneller om de afrit te nemen. hendrikklaas - From: hugoholsc...@gmail.com To: talk-nl@openstreetmap.org Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 17:05:50 +0200 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe Waalbrug A50 Ik heb een aantal van die vreemde routes bekeken en het komt omdat de routeplanner de kortste of snelste route (maakt vaak niets uit) heel letterlijk neemt. Je zult zien dat de afslag vaak een binnenbocht is en met de zelfde maximale snelheid dus korter en sneller is. Er is dus meer intelligentie in de route planner nodig om dat soort hele strikte beslissing te omzeilen. Lijkt me een interessante uitdaging, Hugo FROM: Floris Looijesteijn SENT: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:43 PM TO: OpenStreetMap NL discussion list SUBJECT: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe Waalbrug A50 Ik heb dat gedrag vaker gezien op navigatiesystemen. Dat je je opeens rotschrikt en snel de afslag neemt omdat je niet bekend bent in de buurt. Om vervolgens beneden weer direct de snelweg op gestuurd te worden... Met onze data kan toch zeker een betere beslissing genomen worden. Routers zouden kunnen kijken het aantal kruisingen. Of gewoon een voorkeur hebben voor op dezelfde weg blijven als dat maar een paar procent in afstand/tijd scheelt. Gr, Floris 2013/5/21 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl On 2013-05-21 12:24, Martien Scheepens wrote: Hallo, Op de A4 hebben we al zo'n geval: http://osm.org/go/0E4wjRnhl- [1] [1] [1] [2] Ik vraag me af wat routeplanners er mee doen. Kortste of snelste route, al naar gelang het algoritme. Zie ook http://osrm.at/2We [3] [3] [3] waar de routeplanner doet of zijn neus bloedt en de korste/snelste route berekend via de afrit en oprit (snelheid op de op- en afrit is hetzelfde als op de autosnelweg). In jouw geval waarschijnlijk de binnenbocht, dus de linkse rijstroken. Maarten 2013/5/21 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl Vandaag is de nieuwe Waalbrug in de A50 bij Ewijk geopend. Ik heb de nieuwe situatie zo goed mogelijk van de paar keer dat ik er de afgelopen tijd langs ben gekomen gemapt en de oude brug op construction gezet. Verbeteringen zijn uiteraard welkom. Misschien een punt van aandacht: hoe wordt de nieuwe situatie gemapt met ways: de
[OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe Waalbrug A50
Vandaag is de nieuwe Waalbrug in de A50 bij Ewijk geopend. Ik heb de nieuwe situatie zo goed mogelijk van de paar keer dat ik er de afgelopen tijd langs ben gekomen gemapt en de oude brug op construction gezet. Verbeteringen zijn uiteraard welkom. Misschien een punt van aandacht: hoe wordt de nieuwe situatie gemapt met ways: de nieuwe brug heeft 1x4 rijstroken en zal dus eigenlijk 1 way worden, de oude brug blijft 2x2 rijstroken hebben en zal dus 2 ways blijven? Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe Waalbrug A50
On 2013-05-21 12:24, Martien Scheepens wrote: Hallo, Op de A4 hebben we al zo'n geval: http://osm.org/go/0E4wjRnhl- [2] Ik vraag me af wat routeplanners er mee doen. Kortste of snelste route, al naar gelang het algoritme. Zie ook http://osrm.at/2We waar de routeplanner doet of zijn neus bloedt en de korste/snelste route berekend via de afrit en oprit (snelheid op de op- en afrit is hetzelfde als op de autosnelweg). In jouw geval waarschijnlijk de binnenbocht, dus de linkse rijstroken. Maarten 2013/5/21 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl Vandaag is de nieuwe Waalbrug in de A50 bij Ewijk geopend. Ik heb de nieuwe situatie zo goed mogelijk van de paar keer dat ik er de afgelopen tijd langs ben gekomen gemapt en de oude brug op construction gezet. Verbeteringen zijn uiteraard welkom. Misschien een punt van aandacht: hoe wordt de nieuwe situatie gemapt met ways: de nieuwe brug heeft 1x4 rijstroken en zal dus eigenlijk 1 way worden, de oude brug blijft 2x2 rijstroken hebben en zal dus 2 ways blijven? Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl [1] Links: -- [1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl [2] http://osm.org/go/0E4wjRnhl- ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] Tweede Coentunnel
Klopt het dat er momenteel geen verbinding van de tunnelbuis richting noorden naar de A8 is? Je wordt via de S118 en de Verlengde Stellingweg gestuurd. http://osrm.at/3ex En de terugweg wordt ook niet via de Coentunnel gestuurd, maar ik hoop dat dat is omdat way 115021650 de verkeerde kant op ging. De westelijke nieuwe tunnelbuis is als oneway:reversible aangeduid, ik hoop dat de routeplanners daarmee om kunnen gaan (en klopt dit met de werkelijkheid?). Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Tweede Coentunnel
On 2013-05-14 14:18, Sebastiaan Couwenberg wrote: Klopt het dat er momenteel geen verbinding van de tunnelbuis richting noorden naar de A8 is? Je wordt via de S118 en de Verlengde Stellingweg gestuurd. http://osrm.at/3ex Volgens mij klopt dat niet. Ik ben gister over de A5 van Schiphol naar het Coenplein gereden, en aan de andere kant van de tunnel kan je gewoon door over de A8. Op het moment word het verkeer door de nieuwe tunnelbuizen gestuurd, en zijn de oude voorlopig gesloten voor onderhoud. Dat moet nog gereflecteerd worden in OSM. Het meeste is al gedaan. De 2e Coentunnel ligt aan de oostkant, is open en op de oude Coentunnel is access:no gezet. Het lijken alleen nog wat details te zijn die niet goed staan. En de terugweg wordt ook niet via de Coentunnel gestuurd, maar ik hoop dat dat is omdat way 115021650 de verkeerde kant op ging. De westelijke nieuwe tunnelbuis is als oneway:reversible aangeduid, ik hoop dat de routeplanners daarmee om kunnen gaan (en klopt dit met de werkelijkheid?). Ik heb helaas geen beeldmateriaal van de rit bij gebrek aan een dashcam, maar op Youtube staan wel wat fimpjes van iemand anders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxMYT4sLFMw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cHhsVmyoVg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVJaPLXf6Y0 Zal ik vanavond eens gaan bekijken. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk] Waze navigation
Anybody heard of waze? http://www.waze.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waze Isn't this exactly what OSM is, only now as navigation as a startingpoint? Looking at the map in my area (the Netherlands), I see OSM some 6 years ago. It seems all so superfluous to me, I don't see the point. Why not make a navigation app based on OSM? There are several already. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Waze navigation
On 2013-05-07 13:53, Simone Cortesi wrote: On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Isn't this exactly what OSM is, only now as navigation as a startingpoint? Looking at the map in my area (the Netherlands), I see OSM some 6 years ago. It seems all so superfluous to me, I don't see the point. Why not make a navigation app based on OSM? There are several already. simply put: money. they want to sell the data. their map data is closed data. they sell traffic data collected by the users, to their clients. Meanwhile, I was also pointed out that they have different region servers. The Netherlands map is quite complete if you get the right link. Looks like they actually bought mapdata because a new building plot is shown as completed, including streetnames, where on other places new road developments are missing. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] namen van gemeenten
On 2013-04-16 10:21, Marc Gemis wrote: Wat mij vandaag opviel op de mapnik rendering van OpenStreetMap is dat in Nederland de namen van de gemeenten verschillende keren voorkomen op zoom niveau 14. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.4861lon=4.8397zoom=14layers=M [1] bv. Chaam staat er 3 keer op Dit is niet het geval aan Belgische zijde. Doen jullie de gemeenten (deelgemeenten) op een andere manier dan wij ? Er is een node 42838224 place=village, name=Chaam, een way 6332800 landuse=residential, name=Chaam en de derde komt waarschijnlijk van relation 2718260 boundary=administrative, admin_level=10, name=Chaam. Ik neem aan dat van alle drie de naam gerenderd wordt. Vrijwel alle plaatsen in Nederland zitten op deze manier in OSM. Daar waar het gehuchten betreft (Chaamdijk, Grinderdoor) heb je alleen de place node en de landuse way, niet de boundary relation. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building
On 2013-04-06 07:05, Ronald Stroethoff wrote: In het verleden werden gebouwen simpel getagt met building=yes. Dit was mischien een beetje simpel maar werkte wel. Nu blijkt dit volgens de volgende web-pagina: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building nogal uitgebreidt te zijn. Op dit ogenblik is er nog geen verschil te zijn in de presentatie op openstreetmap.org maar ik kan wel het nut inzien van deze verdere onderverdeling. De vraag is wel hoe we hier mee omgaan, het betekent erg veel werk om handmatig al die geboutje om te zetten en dorpjes en wijken waar nu niemand bezig is kunnen dan nog een lange tijd op de oude stand blijven staan. Jemig, wat zit daar een hoop, sorry voor het woord, bullshit bij. Hotel hebben we toch al als tourism? Dus tourism=hotel en building=hotel? Lijkt me een beetje dubbel. for the hotel grounds including. Grounds, is voor mij de perceel, of is mijn kennis van het engels daar een beetje verkeerd? Een perceel ga je niet al building taggen. En terrace? Als ik een rij rijtjeshuizen die nu uit de shapes import als één building staan ga opdelen in verschillende woningen dan ga ik daar echt geen terrace van maken. Dat is sowieso een totaal onbekende term in Nederland. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building
On 2013-04-06 22:18, Jo wrote: Het beste voorbeeld is waarschijnlijk building=church. Sommige zijn nog place_of_worship, andere niet meer, maar het blijft wel een kerkgebouw. Of je nu bij een hotel building=yes of building=hotel gebruikt, dat maakt niet zo'n groot verschil, al is het soort gebouw waar de meeste hotels inzitten wel vrij typisch. Dat mag voor de grote ketens misschien zo zijn, maar ga maar eens in een grote stad naar een hotel dat niet in een keten zit. Dat is gewoon een van de gebouwen in de hele rij. Daar had zomaar een paar appartementen in kunnen zitten. Maarten Op 6 april 2013 21:51 schreef Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl het volgende: On 2013-04-06 07:05, Ronald Stroethoff wrote: In het verleden werden gebouwen simpel getagt met building=yes. Dit was mischien een beetje simpel maar werkte wel. Nu blijkt dit volgens de volgende web-pagina: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building [1] nogal uitgebreidt te zijn. Op dit ogenblik is er nog geen verschil te zijn in de presentatie op openstreetmap.org [2] maar ik kan wel het nut inzien van deze verdere onderverdeling. De vraag is wel hoe we hier mee omgaan, het betekent erg veel werk om handmatig al die geboutje om te zetten en dorpjes en wijken waar nu niemand bezig is kunnen dan nog een lange tijd op de oude stand blijven staan. Jemig, wat zit daar een hoop, sorry voor het woord, bullshit bij. Hotel hebben we toch al als tourism? Dus tourism=hotel en building=hotel? Lijkt me een beetje dubbel. for the hotel grounds including. Grounds, is voor mij de perceel, of is mijn kennis van het engels daar een beetje verkeerd? Een perceel ga je niet al building taggen. En terrace? Als ik een rij rijtjeshuizen die nu uit de shapes import als één building staan ga opdelen in verschillende woningen dan ga ik daar echt geen terrace van maken. Dat is sowieso een totaal onbekende term in Nederland. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl [3] Links: -- [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building [2] http://openstreetmap.org [3] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?
On 2013-03-31 17:57, Clay Smalley wrote: This seems silly and useless. The imagery is subject to change and the way will become obsolete. I don't see a point in mapping this, and I'm okay with deleting these ways. But I'd rather hear from someone with more experience before anything happens. It is a common and often-used method to indicate regions that have high-resolution Bing imagery in an area where the rest is only low-resolution. I would not delete them. They serve a purpose. If you have a better working suggestion (i.e. a low-hi-res overlay to use in the editors) then you might have a point. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Imagery Boundary?
On 2013-03-31 19:22, Florian Lohoff wrote: On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 07:01:19PM +0200, Maarten Deen wrote: It is a common and often-used method to indicate regions that have high-resolution Bing imagery in an area where the rest is only low-resolution. I would not delete them. They serve a purpose. If you have a better working suggestion (i.e. a low-hi-res overlay to use in the editors) then you might have a point. They are put into the database at a certain point where they might really show the area of HiRes Sat imagery. Nobody cares about them afterwards and bing regularly updates their imagary. So after a year you would need to correct them which in my cases nobody did over a span of more then 2 months. As they were wrong and nobody cared i deleted them. Obviously, when somtheing is wrong you either correct or delete it. But that is stating the obvious. I think there is no debate about that. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk-nl] Vertaling van nominatim termen
Het valt me op dat als je bij de kaart zoekt naar een weg dat alle residential wegen als Woonerf worden aangegeven. Dat klopt natuurlijk niet, want een residential weg is gewoon een weg. Een living_street is een woonerf. In de Nederlandse map_features wordt residential vertaald als straat. Zo ver ik kan zien worden andere wegen wel goed vertaald, bijvoorbeeld in Secundaire weg of Tertiare weg. Waar kan de vertaling van Nominatim aangepast worden? Wordt dat gedekt door de trac tickets, of is dat alleen voor generieke Nominatim zaken (niet specifiek voor de search bij de kaart)? Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Bussen van De Lijn in Maastricht/Tilburg
On 2013-03-13 20:30, Jo wrote: Op 13 maart 2013 19:39 schreef Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl het volgende: On 2013-03-13 19:25, Rob wrote: Ho Jo De laatste keer dat ik contact met hem had, over verwijderde items van me, was z'n moto less is more Hij gaat schijnbaar voor een mooie rustige kaart. Hmm. Ik heb ook eens met iemand een discussie gehad die nodes voor haltes aan twee zijden van een weg aan het weghalen was. Ik vind zelf dat als het een en dezelfde halte is (dus op dezelfde plek De Lijn als Veolia) kan het beter een node zijn. verschillende zones kun je oplossen met zone:NL en zone:BE of zo iets. Dat zou dan al beter zone:Veolia en zone:De_Lijn zijn, vermoed ik. Geloof me, die piste had ik al uitgeprobeerd maar dan met zone:De_Lijn en zone:TEC en dan natuurlijk operator=De Lijn;TEC;STIB/MIVB. Het begin er al mee dat tagnames gewoonlijk geen hoofdletters of spaties bevatten. Verder zou dat dan betekenen dat alle haltes in Nederland en België hertagd moeten worden om dit consistent te krijgen. Alleen dat in Nederland de zone landelijk is, dus daar zou zone:Veolia weer niet helemaal kloppen. Alle haltes hertaggen hoeft ook niet want daar waar geen extra tag staat is het de waarde die in dat land gebruikelijk is. Je hoeft dus alleen haltes die door meerdere operators gebruikt worden te hertaggen. Maar goed, het is maar een gedachte. Vandaar dat ik dus was begonnen met een node per operator die dan samen met de andere attributen van de halte gegroepeerd worden in een public_transport=stop_area relatie. Het voordeel is dat elk zo'n halte aan de bijbehorende routerelaties kunnen worden toegevoegd. Het komt in Nederland ook wel voor dat een halte door verschillende operators wordt aangedaan, maar ik zou het niet mooi vinden als er dan twee bushaltes neergezet worden. Dat kan IMHO alleen als er ook twee verschillende haltepalen staan. Groeten, Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk] Antarctica coastline/shelf-ice import
On 2013-03-05 16:22, Jochen Topf wrote: On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 09:57:31AM -0500, Serge Wroclawski wrote: I worked on an Ozone monitoring instrument briefly in my career, and my understanding is that the polar ice caps change often. No, they don't change all that much. Of course they change a little bit all the time, the ice cap moves about 10m a year at the South Pole for instance, and sometimes large icebergs break off from the shelf-ice, but for the resolution we are talking about here, the resolution interesting for OSM, they are basically static. Are you proposing that we change them every N months? No. If so, I think we have better solutions at our disposal than trying to delete/reimport huge areas like this. This is a misunderstanding. The reason the old data is bad is not that Antarctica changed so much between then and now. I don't know why the old data is so bad, maybe it is because satellite images etc. have improved since then so better data could be derived. In the beginning the coastline was very coarse. So much that the then current algorithm of generating tiles (especially for T@H) sometimes didn't find data to work with (because nodes were so far apart) so it rendered an empty tile. I did a lot of work making it more precise according to the aerials available. I haven't checked in recent years how it correlates to current aerials. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Openstreetmap server down?
On 2013-02-20 07:56, Toby Murray wrote: Yes. The database server is offline. I don't know why or when it will be back. London should be waking up here shortly. I'm sure there will be a better response then. Apparently they're doing something now because the map at www.openstreetmap.org was fine 10 minutes ago and is not responding either at the moment. Regards, Maarten On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:44 AM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Is the server down? I can't up or download anymore since last night. Polyglot ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Display names of crossroads
On 2013-02-14 11:59, Andrew Errington wrote: In Korea we also have named junctions at overpasses, so the junction name is where the two roads cross (or meet) but they physically don't join because one road is on a bridge over the other, and there are sliproads to move between them. In the third case we could tag the four nodes at the beginning of each slip road. Or put the nodes in a relation. Or draw a big area covering the entire junction. Junction names on exits or junctions of motorways is common practise: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.3934lon=6.12683zoom=15layers=M (Knooppunt Zaarderheiken is the name tag, e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/42529258) I could post this question on the talk-ko list and ask what Korean users would expect to see. And talk-jp for Japan. I see little use in discussing how we would like to do it. openstreetmap.jp has a map, but it looks to be the standard slippy map. Has noone there seen this as a big enough problem to make their own rendering and start mapping the junctions? Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org
Do you exclude certain POIs from the selection? post_box, telephone and recycling do not show any details. There is an example for recycling and telephone here http://overpass.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.328lon=5.98zoom=18layers=M Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)
On 2013-01-04 00:25, Michal Migurski wrote: Neat! I found what I think is spam on my first try: http://owl.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.8113lon=-122.2754zoom=14layers=M Look no further than Apple Blossom Florist, the premier Oakland florist, for beautifully arranged flowers and gift baskets for any occasion… Links to changeset #14155469, but that comes up blank here: http://owl.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14155469 Subsequently reverted but still in the index? In general, links to changesets do not seem to work. If you look up the changeset in the usual place (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14155469) you'll see it's there. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] noexit=yes
On 2013-01-03 08:20, Jo wrote: Ik begrijp de verwarring, aangezien (alleszins in JOSM) een verkeersbordje verschijnt als je het op de laatste node zet en je geen visuele feedback krijgt, als je de tag op de way zet. Het is echter de way die noexit=yes moet krijgen, aangezien het de straat is die doodloopt. Voor een router is het nodig om die informatie te hebben, voordat het einde van die way bereikt is, zodat die ways enkel gebruikt worden als dat de bestemming is. Nee, het is niet voor routers. Routers hebben snel genoeg door dat een weg doodloopt. Het is voor QC dat andere mappers niet denken (misschien aan de hand van luchtfoto's) dat een weg toch verbonden moet zijn. Misschien dat zelfs de JOSM validator dergelijke wegen negeert bij de controle van unconnected nodes die dichtbij andere wegen liggen. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk] Cool uses of OSM
I was using a train from the Erzgebirgsbahn in Germany yesterday (Annaberg-Buchholz - Chemnitz) when I noticed the information display. This was an OSM background on which the trains from the Erzgebirgsbahn were overlayed. I took a few photos but I now also see that they have an internet version of it on http://www.vms.de/egb/index.html. The version in the train had as default view the train you were sitting in and that trains timetable was shown on the left (just as a train that you click on wil show its timetable on the right). And as a bonus: it's Openstreetmap so it also allows you to see a map of the surroundings before you disembark the train. The only thing missing from the trainversion (which I now see on the internetversion) is the possibility to see a departuretable when you click on a station. I don't see it on the internetversion, but the trainversion had a logo from Funkwerk http://www.funkwerk.com/funkwerk_de/ on it. I assume they developed it. Really really cool feature. I spent a lot of time playing with it. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] permament access restrictions and routing
On 2012-12-23 23:53, Chris Hill wrote: On 23/12/12 15:41, Stan Berka wrote: Yesterday, I did navigation to my work place here in Warsaw using Osmand o my G2. The route I was given led through Warsaw Old Town. The problem with this is, the Old Town is closed to most vehicles, year long, except for special vehicles (shop supply, city services etc). Thus, the route was completely useless since I'm not a firetruck driver. How can this problem be resolved, so OSM routers can generate more useful? that sounds like a highway=pedestrian to me. You could add a access=destination to it. Then routing should be done only to addresses on those roads and the roads should not be used to go from A to B. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] ebook maps
On 2012-12-12 10:25, Hendrik Siedelmann wrote: Hello, all possibilities to render maps as ebooks (or for print) that I found were relatively limited (only raster images and/or limited number of pages). So I tried something new: https://technik-stinkt.de/~hendrik/maps/ What do you think? The idea is great. But before I download a 245MB PDF file: will Adobe Acrobat or Foxit PDFreader load and display something like that without problems? The most difficult PDF I have is a 4MB file of the french railroad network (official RRF file), and a redraw after zooming or panning takes a looong time. The inital draw is 20 seconds alone. And does 3.4MB for only the coastline and the one major road not seem a bit excessive? I think the data should be a bit simplified before you make a PDF out of it. But again: the idea as such is good. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Bot-wars
On 2012-12-10 22:26, Ronald Stroethoff wrote: Ik wordt een beetje moe van al deze edit-bots. De berichten van echte edits verdwijnen ertussen. Ik zie nu zelfs al edit-wars tussen de diverse bots optreden. Ik weet niet of hier nog wel zin in heb. Voorbeelden? Heb je de makers van die bots er ook op gewezen? Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] maping bus routes, was Re: junction= roundabaout
On 2012-11-22 21:14, Wolfgang Wienke wrote: Hi Am 22.11.2012 20:20, schrieb Maarten Deen: On 2012-11-22 12:23, Robert Elsenaar wrote: At the other way, as we do it in Holland every roundabout should be tags in a forward and backward way in relations when the roundabout is split up. One of the reasons relation get polluted. But your drawing argument is a illegal one. We do not map for the renderers. And all relations are two sided so always the whole roundabout is used. Not all relations are two sided. A lot of bus relations are from A to B with a second relation from B to A. Is this standard for newer mappings in Netherlands? There is no standard. I even observed someone merging bus stops for different directions into one because it looks better on the map. In this case we (operator AVV in Aachen and other citys) include this to a collecting relation for the line. In Germany a bus more ofter drives different ways. Because of this there are often 5-6 such relations in the collecting relation. This collecting relation is included in a relation with all lines of an operator. Do you accept OXOMOA scheme? This is the first that I ever hear from that scheme. But after reading it: how do split roundabouts and different relations for forward and backward not fit in this model? I had made a start documenting Dutch busroutes [1], but I also see that I'm more or less the only one using it. I don't know how it is done outside Limburg, but in Limburg the relations are IIRC not grouped. I'm also not entirely sure how we should group them. In Germany there is a strong grouping in the Verkehrsverbünde. We don't have that. We do have concessionareas, but these can be large (Limburg is one concession, run by Veolia) and can overlap (in Amsterdam, you'll find busses from different concessions). Currently the logical division in Limburg is North/Middle, South, Parkstad, citylines Venlo, citylines Roermond, citylines Maastricht. This is a historical division based on buscompanies starting 60 years ago. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NL-OV/Bus Regards, Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] maping bus routes, was Re: junction= roundabaout
On 2012-11-23 14:29, Cartinus wrote: On 11/23/2012 12:44 PM, Maarten Deen wrote: On 2012-11-22 21:14, Wolfgang Wienke wrote: Do you accept OXOMOA scheme? This is the first that I ever hear from that scheme. Please ignore the original oxomoa scheme when tagging bus routes. There is a reason the scheme sits in someones private wiki-space: It was the first step in a long process that ended here [1]. Significant parts of the oxomoa scheme ended up in the final proposal, but parts of it didn't (like the incredibly insane type=line in stead of type=route). On 11/23/2012 12:44 PM, Maarten Deen wrote: I don't know how it is done outside Limburg, but in Limburg the relations are IIRC not grouped. I'm also not entirely sure how we should group them. In Germany there is a strong grouping in the Verkehrsverbünde. We don't have that. We do have concessionareas, but these can be large (Limburg is one concession, run by Veolia) and can overlap (in Amsterdam, you'll find busses from different concessions). In the central part of The Netherlands the name of the concession used to be put in the network tag of the relation. I just noticed someone didn't understand relations are not categories and created a type=public_transport + public_transport=network relation to group the lines of the concession BRU stad. I read from Wolgang's comments that this is also done for the AVV buslines. And it is common practice for walking and cycling networks. Or is this a different kind of grouping relation? Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] junction= roundabaout
On 2012-11-22 12:23, Robert Elsenaar wrote: At the other way, as we do it in Holland every roundabout should be tags in a forward and backward way in relations when the roundabout is split up. One of the reasons relation get polluted. But your drawing argument is a illegal one. We do not map for the renderers. And all relations are two sided so always the whole roundabout is used. Not all relations are two sided. A lot of bus relations are from A to B with a second relation from B to A. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk] there are lots of falkland islands
On 2012-11-21 11:23, Robin Paulson wrote: tens, possibly hundreds in fact. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-51.8629lon=-58.2445zoom=13layers=M http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-51.8315lon=-58.9263zoom=12layers=M perhaps an import gone wrong? I think it is because all the Falkand Islands are grouped in a multipolygon relation. A different method of grouping boundaries is the boundary relation. I believe there are two camps about. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] History of relation 20773
Relation 20773 is currently at v1159. I can get the XML back to v1155 (http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/relation/20773/1155), but versions before that don't not show anything. When a relation is deleted, I should still get the base info with at least relation id=20773 visible=false, should I not? Interestingly, when I go even further back, from 973 downwards it works again. I haven't tried everything betwee 973 and 1154. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] History of relation 20773
On 2012-11-16 11:03, Tom Hughes wrote: On 16/11/12 08:30, Maarten Deen wrote: Relation 20773 is currently at v1159. I can get the XML back to v1155 (http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/relation/20773/1155), but versions before that don't not show anything. When a relation is deleted, I should still get the base info with at least relation id=20773 visible=false, should I not? Interestingly, when I go even further back, from 973 downwards it works again. I haven't tried everything betwee 973 and 1154. I expect the missing versions were redacted as part of the license change. Can't the API give out some kind of information in such cases? An XML message of some sort? Now you get nothing. For a user it might well be that the api is malfunctioning. JOSM handles it with an error message Authorisation at the OSM server failed. The server reported the following error: ' '. Not really helpful. I was led to understand that the info is still available, but with a state redacted (similar to deleted). Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] History of relation 20773
On 2012-11-16 11:26, Tom Hughes wrote: On 16/11/12 09:16, Maarten Deen wrote: Can't the API give out some kind of information in such cases? An XML message of some sort? Now you get nothing. No you don't, you should be getting 403 Forbidden meaning that you are not allowed to access it. Hmm, I see now, IE does display that. Firefox (16.0.2) displays an empty page. Still, a bit more information would be helpful. A user still has to know there was a redaction process and then has to determine if this might be the cause. For a user it might well be that the api is malfunctioning. JOSM handles it with an error message Authorisation at the OSM server failed. The server reported the following error: ' '. Not really helpful. It's not my fault if JOSM handles it badly... Really? ;) Regards, Maarten Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Tool to detect incorrect oneways?
Recently I came across a strech of motorway that oneway=yes set on all sections, but parts were inverted. In ASCII art, you had a road like o1o2o1o1o Is there a tool to detect this? Keepright I think only checks deadend oneways. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tool to detect incorrect oneways?
On 2012-11-12 12:36, Ed Loach wrote: I think this would show on the small components routing layer at OSRM http://map.project-osrm.org/ I'm not sure what that actually shows (is there a description of it?) but it seems to highlight ways that are connected only on one side and have no name. Moreover: the osrm website does not give a URL that you can use to download an area in JOSM and is therefor not really useful for this. Regards, Maarten -Original Message- From: Maarten Deen [mailto:md...@xs4all.nl] Sent: 12 November 2012 10:28 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Tool to detect incorrect oneways? Recently I came across a strech of motorway that oneway=yes set on all sections, but parts were inverted. In ASCII art, you had a road like o1o2o1o1o Is there a tool to detect this? Keepright I think only checks deadend oneways. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] websites bij POI
On 2012-10-26 13:56, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: Een paar voorbeelden: Stadhuis van Haarlem: www.haarlem.nl [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/91770410 [4] VD in Haarlem: www.vd.nl [5] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/100611687 [6] Voorbeeldje van restaurant met een eigen (slechte :) website: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1326350383 [7] Vooral van de eerste twee vraag ik me af of die nuttig zijn. Waarom zouden die niet nuttig zijn? Lijkt me net zo handig als je mobiel aan het navigeren bent met je smartphone, je komt een POI tegen en die geeft je direkt een link naar wat het precies is. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk] Wiki login redirect
I haven't noticed this before a few weeks ago, but when you visit a page in the wiki and then login, you are redirected to the main page. This is not very convenient, because logging in after navigating to a page is usually for one purpose only: to edit the page. And certainly users that have an account don't need to get redirected to the main page. It is also not the standard behaviour of wikis. Normally when you login there is a returnto= field in the URL. Can this be changed please? Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Who is a good mapper? Who isn't?
On 2012-10-10 22:22, Richard Weait wrote: What are the results? Some respondents mentioned that close-but-not-touching ways made for a bad mapper but were generally very understanding on this point. It was seen more as an indication of inexperience. The Big Pet Peeve that identified bad mappers was poor or missing comments. I've taken a go at graphing comment quality. This is not science of course. Try it yourself; how would you measure comment quality? http://imgur.com/ibK76 The question is: how do _you_ measure comment quality? These numbers say nothing to me. You must have some formula to convert a comment to a quality. The most common comment quality is 18. Half of all accounts have comment quality from 13 to 36. Bots usually have comment quality under one. Many of the named bad mappers have comment quality under 6. Given the number of mappers who specifically mentioned comment quality, should not be a surprise. So high = good quality? Even that was not clear. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Data verdwenen in Leeuwarden? Of verkeerssituatie gewijzigd?
On 2012-10-05 08:24, Theun wrote: Er wordt daar nog druk gewerkt. Is het niet verstandiger om te wachten tot dit is getracked en toegevoegd? Dit soort automatische toevoegingen/aannames is één van de redenen dat ik de laatste tijd niet veel fut heb om me met osm/fietsroutes bezig te houden. Zet er dan gewoon een fixme op. En laat ook de fietsroute door een lokale map per doen. Ik vind ook het changesetcomment niet echt handig. Midden-Friesland checked and corrected. Ik zou eerder zetten kruispunt aan nieuwe situatie aangepast. Dan heb je wat meer idee wat er is gebeurd. Maarten Op 4 okt. 2012 23:37 schreef Jo winfi...@gmail.com [9] het volgende: Ik had daar een fietspad nodig om een fietsrouterelatie weer continu te krijgen. Ik heb die ingetekend, maar er zal iemand met een GPS langs moeten gaan, om de exacte ligging te bepalen. Jo Op 4 oktober 2012 20:21 schreef Martien Scheepens mart...@scheepens.de [6] het volgende: Beste Jo, Het tweede is het geval: http://www.vrij-baan.nl/projecten/drachtsterweg-en-omgeving/ [4] . De oude rotonde/ het verkeersplein kon minder verkeer verwerken dan een ordinair kruispunt met verkeerslichten. Ik weet niet of je al contact met Frevo gehad hebt over de nieuwe situatie, maar gezien de schetsen op de website vermoed ik dat de fiets-/voetpaden nog ingetekend moeten worden. Groeten, Martien 2012/10/4 Jo winfi...@gmail.com [5] Hier is blijkbaar heel wat data verloren gegaan: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.19032lon=5.8169zoom=17layers=M [1] Ofwel klopt Bing niet. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki Translation
If I read the Template:Languages correctly, there is a list of 7 languages with a dedicated namespace, a list of not more than 50 major languages without dedicated namespace and the rest. Indonesian (id) is currently in the rest. Is it possible to make a list of wiki pages that have been translated and take the 50 most used languages to use in the template as major languages without dedicated namespace? A major language is not really interesting for us if there are no translations in it. Regards, Maarten On 2012-10-01 11:51, Alex Rollin wrote: Bahasa Indonesia and Malay variants are the 6th most spoken in the world. A On Oct 1, 2012, at 3:34 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Hi All, An effort has begun to translate parts of the OpenStreetMap wiki into Bahasa Indonesia. My question is how does a link to the translation end up in the Available Languages section at the top of each page of the wiki? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki_Translation#Wiki_translations_HOWTO it states Note: due to technical reasons (limitations in the parser functions defined in the MediaWiki software showing this wiki), not all pages with existing translations will show by default in the list of available languages, but only languages for major languages of the world. Is this why Bahasa Indonesia doesn't show at the top when a page is translated? I think it is a pretty major language. Best, -Kate ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Hosting of rackspace gezocht voor yournavigation.org
On 2012-09-29 23:18, Stefan de Konink wrote: On 09/28/12 20:07, Frank Heinen wrote: Kosten zijn vrij simpel te berekenen. Als je een cheap-ass hoster neemt als OVH, die bieden hosting aan voor een leuke server voor een ~ € 1500 euro per jaar http://www.ovh.nl/dedicated_servers/eg_hybrid.xml of http://www.ovh.nl/dedicated_servers/eg_ssd_max.xml Dat draait goed, ik spreek uit ervaring. En als je de el cheapo ovh neemt: http://isgenoeg.nl/ heb je die specs maar dan voor 600 euro per jaar. Geen redundante harddisken, wel veel geheugen. Je krijgt tegenwoordig steeds meer plaatsen waar je thuis een aansluiting op glasvezel hebt. Zou dat ook werken? Maarten (nog geen glas) ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
