[talk-ph] Anybody in Iloilo?

[Erwin Olario]

Hola! Do we have folks here from Iloilo?

*Erwin Olario*
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[talk-ph] Welcome dashboard for new mappers in the Philippines

[Erwin Olario]

The welcome dashboard for the Philippines [0] is now live, thanks to the
instance hosted by OSM Belgium community.

If you're keen to help welcome new mappers in your favorite neighborhood,
or regions, do try out the dashboard with convenient message template, or
leave public notes about user accounts. You may add your personal message,
or leave encouraging comments about their edits.

This only takes a few minutes every week or so, and the dashboard may be
used to indicate whether or not a contributor has been welcomed, or has
responded to a welcome message from other volunteers.

Revisions and translations are welcome for more Philippine languages, in
GitHub [0].

[0]: https://welcome.osm.be/philippines
[1]: https://github.com/OSMPH/osm-welcome-tool
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Re: [talk-ph] Request for feedback: Mapping bridges on national highways

[Erwin Olario]

Hello!

Some contributors agreed to meet online this Sunday, 13th Feb 18:00-19:00
to discuss the RBI dataset further, and find consensus on open issues.
Please join us, if you can.

If you are interested in this topic and available by then, you might find
the following resources interesting:

   - data repo - github.com/OSMPH/dpwh_bridges
   - RBI dataset notepad - hackmd.io/mVQ1fXVHS3mmLY7ggavhvg?view
   - meeting link: https://t.me/OSMph?videochat

In case you won't be able to make it, but have questions or concerns you
wish to pose to the community, or for the meeting to address, please feel
free to add your feedback here: https://hackmd.io/@osmph/SklnWfzk9

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On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 11:43 AM Erwin Olario  wrote:

> Hello everyone.
>
> Last month, through a Freedom-of-Information request, the local OSM
> community was granted permission [0] by the DPWH to use their RBI dataset
> to validate bridges, and publish the same on OpenStreetMap.
>
> A copy of the retrieved dataset is available in the OSMph Github repo [1].
>
> Some people has indicated their support and/or interest [2] about the
> idea, and are keen to join future discussions or meetings on the subject.
> We hope that there are more folks in the talk-ph mailing list who are
> interested in participating, or providing more feedback, too.
>
> A rough outline/draft of initial notes and comments are available on the
> OSM-PH hackmd workspace [3], and feedback is very welcome. Feel free to add
> your thoughts on HackMD, or file a ticket on Github [4].
>
> /erwin
>
> [0]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Philippines
> [1]: https://github.com/OSMPH/dpwh_bridges
> [2]: https://t.me/OSMph/22084
> [3]: https://hackmd.io/@osmph/rk8s1BLTK
> [4]: https://github.com/OSMPH/dpwh_bridges/issues
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[talk-ph] Microsoft building footprints are now available in the Philippines

[Erwin Olario]

In case you missed it, Microsoft released [0] their AI-detected buildings
in the Philippines -- all 17.4M of them! , along with detections from
Indonesia and Malaysia.

It should now be available for your use when you use the RapiD editor [1],
or the MapWithAI plugin [2] in JOSM. The quality appears to be very good,
especially in rural areas. The quality of the building traces themselves
are much higher when compared to inexperienced mappers.

Mapping neighborhoods can now take a fraction of the time it used to be,
but validation is still crucial. I've personally noted some quality issues,
but most are detectable when reviewing the detections.

Check it out, and share to the community what you find out. You can use
RapiD without logging in to see the available detections, like this
settlement in Alcisiras Island [3].

[0]: https://github.com/microsoft/IdMyPhBuildingFootprints
[1]: https://mapwith.ai/rapid
[2]: https://github.com/KaartGroup/JOSM_MapWIthAI_plugin
[3]:
https://mapwith.ai/rapid#background=Maxar-Premium=fbRoads,msBuildings_features=points,boundaries,power,past_future=18.76/11.41648/120.81368

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[talk-ph] Request for feedback: Mapping bridges on national highways

[Erwin Olario]

Hello everyone.

Last month, through a Freedom-of-Information request, the local OSM
community was granted permission [0] by the DPWH to use their RBI dataset
to validate bridges, and publish the same on OpenStreetMap.

A copy of the retrieved dataset is available in the OSMph Github repo [1].

Some people has indicated their support and/or interest [2] about the idea,
and are keen to join future discussions or meetings on the subject. We hope
that there are more folks in the talk-ph mailing list who are interested in
participating, or providing more feedback, too.

A rough outline/draft of initial notes and comments are available on the
OSM-PH hackmd workspace [3], and feedback is very welcome. Feel free to add
your thoughts on HackMD, or file a ticket on Github [4].

/erwin

[0]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Philippines
[1]: https://github.com/OSMPH/dpwh_bridges
[2]: https://t.me/OSMph/22084
[3]: https://hackmd.io/@osmph/rk8s1BLTK
[4]: https://github.com/OSMPH/dpwh_bridges/issues

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Re: [talk-ph] DPWH bridge data attributes

[Erwin Olario]

Good point, Ian. I'll see if the original request can be amended.

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On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 8:01 PM Ian Lopez  wrote:

> I have no objections with adding data in connection to this request, but
> it would be helpful if the last checked date (date of most recent
> inspection or survey by DPWH and/or its contractors) is present in the DPWH
> bridge inventory. Nonetheless, I'm hopeful that the request will be
> fulfilled and that the data will be released in due time.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ian Lopez
>
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> Facebook/Messenger: ian.lopez
>
>
> On Monday, October 11, 2021, 09:41:48 AM GMT+8, Erwin Olario <
> gov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> This is a re-post [0] of a query I made in the OSMph Telegram channel.
>
> I made an FOI request [1] from DPWH re their bridge inventory on behalf of
> the local community. They have additional requirements  (i.e. writing in
> "official letterhead", etc) but before I proceed, I'd like to know if there
> are any objections or concerns about this request from this channel.
>
> Depending on the quality of the data and if we get the permission to use
> the dataset,  it may be used to validate the information already in OSM, or
> conflate additional attributes not yet in OSM.
>
> /Erwin
>
> [0]: https://t.me/OSMph/20310
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> https://www.foi.gov.ph/requests/aglzfmVmb2ktcGhyHgsSB0NvbnRlbnQiEURQV0gtMjM2NjM0MzM2MjA4DA
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[talk-ph] DPWH bridge data attributes

[Erwin Olario]

This is a re-post [0] of a query I made in the OSMph Telegram channel.

I made an FOI request [1] from DPWH re their bridge inventory on behalf of
the local community. They have additional requirements  (i.e. writing in
"official letterhead", etc) but before I proceed, I'd like to know if there
are any objections or concerns about this request from this channel.

Depending on the quality of the data and if we get the permission to use
the dataset,  it may be used to validate the information already in OSM, or
conflate additional attributes not yet in OSM.

/Erwin

[0]: https://t.me/OSMph/20310
[1]
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Re: [talk-ph] Data improvements in the Philippines

[Erwin Olario]

By the way, if you're keen on finding streets with missing names in your
neighborhood, you might Simon's QA tool [0] interesting. If you're a JOSM
user, you can also activate the imagery layer [1]

[0]: http://qa.poole.ch/#?zoom=6=13.37791=119.64453=TFFFB0
[1]: tms[18]:https://tile{switch:2,3}.poole.ch/noname/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png

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On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 7:53 AM Andrew Wiseman via talk-ph <
talk-ph@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Hello talk-ph,
>
> This is Andrew again from the Apple Maps team. We are planning to work on
> some data corrections and improvements to OSM in the Philippines around the
> road network — for example, sometimes there are missing roads or routing
> issues due to incorrect intersections or missing connections. We will make
> sure to follow the appropriate OSM and local guidelines.
>
> In the future we also plan to do some improvements to coastal features and
> land use/land cover polygons, such as parks, university and hospital
> campuses, airports and similar features. Some examples may be things like
> coastlines and national parks that are missing a tag or are from old
> imports that may not be very accurate. I’ll reach out before we start that
> effort too.
>
> I wanted to see if you had any suggestions or feedback on the road
> network, such as if there are places we should take a look or other useful
> resources.
>
> There is more information on our Github page:
> https://github.com/osmlab/appledata/issues/160
>
> Thanks!
>
> Andrew
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Data improvements in the Philippines

[Erwin Olario]

Hi Andrew. Thank you for sharing this.

May we know how this information was collected? I did some random checking
in my neighbourhood, and some of the names in your database don't match or
only partially match what's on the ground.


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On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 1:59 AM Andrew Wiseman via talk-ph <
talk-ph@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> This is Andrew again from the Apple team. I wanted to let you know that we
> are sharing street names missing from OSM in the Philippines under the ODbL
> in case you were interested in taking a look. The data is in a geojson file
> with line geometry, name and OSM way ID(s). There is more information and
> you can download the file here:
> https://github.com/osmlab/appledata/blob/master/STREETNAMES.md
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>
> Andrew Wiseman |  Maps | iPhone: +1.202.270.4464 |
> andrew_wise...@apple.com
>
> On May 28, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Andrew Wiseman 
> wrote:
>
> Hello talk-ph,
>
> This is Andrew again from the Apple Maps team. We are planning to work on
> some data corrections and improvements to OSM in the Philippines around the
> road network — for example, sometimes there are missing roads or routing
> issues due to incorrect intersections or missing connections. We will make
> sure to follow the appropriate OSM and local guidelines.
>
> In the future we also plan to do some improvements to coastal features and
> land use/land cover polygons, such as parks, university and hospital
> campuses, airports and similar features. Some examples may be things like
> coastlines and national parks that are missing a tag or are from old
> imports that may not be very accurate. I’ll reach out before we start that
> effort too.
>
> I wanted to see if you had any suggestions or feedback on the road
> network, such as if there are places we should take a look or other useful
> resources.
>
> There is more information on our Github page:
> https://github.com/osmlab/appledata/issues/160
>
> Thanks!
>
> Andrew
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Action for Economic Reforms Meet and Greet

[Erwin Olario]

FYI, the meeting URL for this has been moved to:
https://t.me/OSMph?voicechat , and was changed at the request of Mikko
Tamura. You will need a Telegram account to join the meeting.

Schedule is the same, 30th July, Friday 13:00-14:00.

Expected participants, or speakers will receive a different URL, to avoid
spam. Request the host (or a moderator)  for mic-access, if you wish to
actively participate in the voice/video meeting.



On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 19:29 MapBeks Initiative  wrote:

> Hello everyone! Action for Economic Reforms (AER) is planning to map and
> contribute data to OpenStreetMap in select municipalities in Luzon
> (Sorsogon), Visayas (Eastern Samar, Leyte) and Mindanao (CDO and Palimbang,
> SK) and they would like to engage a dialogue and get feedback regarding
> their project. They are hoping they could connect with the local OSM PH
> community for guidance.
>
> Feel free to join the meeting on Jul 30, 2021, we will also be recording
> the session and sharing it as well.
>
> Action for Economic Reforms AER is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom
> meeting.
> Topic: Data-Driven Development w/ PH OSM Community
> Time: Jul 30, 2021 01:00 PM Singapore
> Join Zoom Meeting
> https://aer-ph.zoom.us/j/98366526602?pwd=T0xQT01leDF3ZGlJaVBDdTlka0V3dz09
> 
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[talk-ph] Grab street name edits

[Erwin Olario]

I noticed a few weeks back that peculiar behavior by Grab editors
truncating street names (e.g. "P. Sanchez Street" to "Sanchez", "M. dela
Fuente Street" to "Dela Fuente Street", etc. ) , but only in certain
segments of the same street.

I don't think it's corrected to reduce the street name to the short-form
version, so I created a ticket [0] in the Grab repo to raise the issue.

Also, their changeset sources claim the names were from street sign boards
found in KartaView, but I haven't actually found any KartaView imagery.

Have you noticed anything similar in your neighborhood?

[0]: https://github.com/GRABOSM/Grab-Data/issues/97

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Re: [talk-ph] Sitios and Puroks

[Erwin Olario]

Thanks for inviting the attention of the talk-ph mailing list to my
comment[0] on this subject, Timmy.

Speaking of which, and with regard to the recommendation on how to use
"designation", we may want to consider the use of "admin_type:PH" (along
with admin_level) namespace instead, similar to how the OSM-FR community is
doing with their admin_type:FR [1]. For consistency, it may seem that this
is a more proper tag to organize this information under.

With regard to Quiabaton, I personally tend to think that it's a sitio
rather than a purok. From the imagery, the settlement  doesn't appear big
enough to be organized into zoned clusters but local information should
help clarify this.

Regardless, and as documented in the convention pages, it's correct to tag
the name of the place as simply "Quiabaton", and think that the use of
loc_name "Sitio Quibaton" is unnecessary. (Right now, loc_name isn't even
considered by nominatim or photon in searches.)

[0]:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Philippines/Mapping_conventions#admin_level.3D12_for_Puroks_.3F
[1]: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/admin_type%3AFR#values

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On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 6:45 PM Timeo Gut  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Erwin has raised some interesting points on the mapping conventions talk
> page. I'm moving this here hoping that more people can read and comment.
>
>
> I've always thought that, in our hierarchy of local places, puroks are
>> never found in sitios. While working on OSMaPaaralan, I encountered school
>> 109360, and according to the DepEd school database
>> , their address
>> is listed as "Purok Casunugan, Sitio San Ysiro" within Barangay San Jose of
>> Antipolo City.
>>
>> According to our current convention page, Purok and Sitio nodes are
>> lumped together under admin_level=11, but in this case, and if used that
>> way, this hierarchical order will be incorrect. I found several other
>> Puroks (Canumay, Libis) under Sitio San Ysiro.
>>
>> Perhaps it would be better to dis-aggregate a Purok as admin_level=12
>> (place=* + designation=purok + admin_level=12), and keep admin_level=11 for
>> Sitios exclusively? Strictly speaking, these are not administrative
>> entities, but Purok and Sitio leaders are usually designated by the
>> Barangay chairperson, so there's some sort of "administrative" relationship
>> to these settlements.
>>
>
>
> I've been bothered by this for quite some time too. The root of the
> confusion seems to be that most Sitios are actually Puroks while in other
> cases the term is used in names referring to larger geographical areas that
> have experienced further sudivision due to population growth.
>
> The concept of Sitios is much older than the Purok system. With the
> introduction of the latter many Sitios where simply declared Puroks (often
> while also being assigned a number). In these cases the two terms are
> basically interchangeable. It is very common that colloquially (and also on
> signs and for addressing) everyone is still using Sitio while in official
> documents the same places are listed as Puroks (e.g. Sitio Quiabaton /
> Purok 6 Quiabaton ). With
> the old place:PH tag it was unclear which value to use in this kind of
> situation, but considering the definition of the designation tag they
> should clearly be tagged as =purok.
>
> For Sitios that are of purely historical or geographical nature I think we
> should consider dropping admin_level and designation altogether. These
> Sitios really do not fit the definition of either of these tags. The
> loc_name tag should be sufficient to record the prefix.
>
> Best regards,
> Timmy
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Re: [talk-ph] Invitation for a meeting of Para Apps, Inc. mappers/representatives with the local OSM community

[Erwin Olario]

On behalf of the local OSM community, thank you for joining the meeting
today. We appreciate your team's candidness, and for sharing the
information that is helpful towards resolving the community's concerns.

To summarize today's meeting, you acknowledge the loopholes in your current
quality assurance processes that have led to the copyright infringement
activities by mappers associated with Para. That you're willing to
co-operating to resolve this as soon as possible, and to do that we are
asking you for the usernames of your mappers (including those
third-parties, or franchisees)  so that the DWG can remove them completely
from OSM to avoid any legal issues  related to use of copyrighted materials.

Please double-check the list of usernames you are submitting, including
those listed in the PaperCut-Fix ticket #83
<https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83> so that we can quickly
resolve this issue. For reference, the recording of today's meeting is
temporarily available here <https://youtu.be/7FX9hsJe21I>, and will be
removed as soon as the ticket is resolved.

Moving forward, you also agree to review your quality assurance processes,
comply with the OSM Organized Editing Guidelines
<https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines>, and
disclose in the wiki all the usernames of your mappers, whether internal or
third-party.

The OSM-PH community is keen for Para Apps to continue contributing to
OpenStreetMap. There are some members of the OSM community who suggested
that we organize a special training session for your mappers, to help you
address the issues we've identified, and help you contribute better to OSM
in the future. If this is something you find interesting, please let us
know.

Best regards,
Erwin Olario

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On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:48 AM Jovan Ortega 
wrote:

> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Jan%20Rei%20Gallardo
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/JPBaje
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Kei%20Garavillas
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Dhadz
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Dhadz
>
> On 6 Jul 2021, at 12:11 PM, Erwin Olario  wrote:
>
>
> Excellent!
>
> We look forward to meeting you, and your team tomorrow morning, 10:30H at
> this meeting URL: https://8x8.vc/mapatime/wemap.vmm
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> On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 12:07 PM Jovan Ortega 
> wrote:
>
>> Ok
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2021, at 10:54 AM, Erwin Olario  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hi Jovan. Thank you for acceding to our invitation for a meeting. We have
>> also invited other members of the OSM community in the Philippines, and
>> Nigeria.
>>
>> The e-meeting is planned for tomorrow, 10:30H (UTC +8) and will be
>> accessible through this meeting room URL:
>> https://8x8.vc/mapatime/wemap.vmm. The platform is free, and there is no
>> need to register for an account.
>>
>> The objective of the meeting is to discuss the concerns related to edits
>> made by mappers affiliated with your company, clarify OSM rules and
>> guidelines, and provide you and your team the opportunity to elaborate on
>> your workflow and processes. This will also be a great opportunity for a
>> dialogue with community stakeholders.
>>
>> Ideally, this meeting should include other members of your mapping team
>> (like "Jan Rei Gallardo"). We may ask you to substantiate your claims, or
>> demonstrate specifics of your workflow, so this is best done from a
>> computer, with a webcam,or where your team can share their screen if
>> necessary.
>>
>> Let me know if you have any questions, and we look forward to meeting you
>> and your team tomorrow.
>>
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>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 5:27 PM Jovan Ortega 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just send a zoom link here
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 5, 2021, at 5:20 PM, Jovan Ortega 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok I’m available now
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
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Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: Fwd: Another user possibly illegal copying from GMaps

[Erwin Olario]

Yeah, that's possibly an option to consider.

On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, 20:42 Glen Scott  wrote:

> Wow, is this the problem of OSM where there needs to be an element of
> trust. Perhaps find a blatantly incorrect POI and compare?
>
> On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 18:06, Erwin Olario  wrote:
>
>> CC'ing the list of their latest response: https://imgur.com/ml0IR2e
>>
>> We hire third-parties who are from the area being mapped to tag the
>>> location of establishments, landmarks, and other government offices. They
>>> will send to us the coordinates and the names of the places, and will be
>>> encoded accordingly by a third-party.
>>>
>>> The chances of having the same establishments, landmarks, and government
>>> offices on the same location as Google is for the basic reason that we are
>>> mapping the same areas on planet Earth. Unless, Google mapped an alternate
>>> universe that would result in different mapping of the same locality.
>>>
>> FWIW, I previously invited them to engage with the LoCo through an online
>> meeting, but instead got this response.
>>
>> FYI.
>>
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>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 12:19 PM Jherome Miguel 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, dapat send to all.
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>> From: Jherome Miguel 
>>> Date: Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: Another user possibly illegal copying from
>>> GMaps
>>> To: Erwin Olario 
>>>
>>>
>>> Naghihintay pa ako ng reply sa huli kong PM with Jan Rei. Sana may linaw
>>> na ang kaso nung kay JP Baje, kung member sya ng PARA mapping team. Di ko
>>> maiwasang mapa-PI at map-lk nang nakita ko ang mga edits ni Jan Rei.
>>> Salamat na we have now a direct contact with a PARA map editor.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 9:59 PM Erwin Olario  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sa palagay ko, ang pinaka-maganda ay makapag-setup ng dialogue sa
>>>> grupong (?) ito, para matulungan silang malinawan sa mga alituntunin ng
>>>> OSM, kung yun nga talaga ang isyu dito.
>>>>
>>>> Sumagot ulit yung user na kausap ko, at sinasabi niyang hindi daw
>>>> kinopya sa ibang mapa yung mga edits niya, at kinalap daw niya yon sa ibang
>>>> sources. Hiniling kong mag-bigay siya ng karagdagan pang detalye sa proseso
>>>> nila.
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>>>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 11:39 AM Jherome Miguel 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Kinakausap ko na rin ang user kung kilala rin niya yung si “JPBaje”.
>>>>> Lumalakas ang kutob ko na editor rin sya for PARA, lalo’t hindi siya
>>>>> nag-reply sa una kong mga PM sa kanya bago nirevert ang lahat ng edits 
>>>>> niya
>>>>> at siya’y binlock ng DWG.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 8:40 PM Erwin Olario  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I also got a reply, and the username[0] has been changed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The user acknowledged their affiliation with the Para app, but did
>>>>>> not disclose the source of their edits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have previously been in touch with officers from this corporation,
>>>>>> and in the past, they promised that they will abide by OSM rules.  If you
>>>>>> get any permission to share that number, I'm willing to discuss this
>>>>>> further with their users
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [0]:
>>>>>> https://osmcha.org/filters?aoi=68b0b447-b692-47cd-ac6d-7be521e084b4
>>>>>>
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Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: Another user possibly illegal copying from GMaps

[Erwin Olario]

Sa palagay ko, ang pinaka-maganda ay makapag-setup ng dialogue sa grupong
(?) ito, para matulungan silang malinawan sa mga alituntunin ng OSM, kung
yun nga talaga ang isyu dito.

Sumagot ulit yung user na kausap ko, at sinasabi niyang hindi daw kinopya
sa ibang mapa yung mga edits niya, at kinalap daw niya yon sa ibang
sources. Hiniling kong mag-bigay siya ng karagdagan pang detalye sa proseso
nila.

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On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 11:39 AM Jherome Miguel 
wrote:

> Kinakausap ko na rin ang user kung kilala rin niya yung si “JPBaje”.
> Lumalakas ang kutob ko na editor rin sya for PARA, lalo’t hindi siya
> nag-reply sa una kong mga PM sa kanya bago nirevert ang lahat ng edits niya
> at siya’y binlock ng DWG.
>
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 8:40 PM Erwin Olario  wrote:
>
>> I also got a reply, and the username[0] has been changed.
>>
>> The user acknowledged their affiliation with the Para app, but did not
>> disclose the source of their edits.
>>
>> I have previously been in touch with officers from this corporation, and
>> in the past, they promised that they will abide by OSM rules.  If you get
>> any permission to share that number, I'm willing to discuss this further
>> with their users
>>
>> [0]: https://osmcha.org/filters?aoi=68b0b447-b692-47cd-ac6d-7be521e084b4
>>
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>>
>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 10:07 AM Jherome Miguel 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>> From: Jherome Miguel 
>>> Date: Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 8:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Another user possibly illegal copying from GMaps
>>> To: Eugene Alvin Villar 
>>>
>>>
>>> Just received reply (in Tagalog) from user, asking me to contact by
>>> phone, but as I’m in Canada, could discuss it on-site instead. I’m in a
>>> middle of a mass revert of edits around BF Homes when I received their PM.
>>>
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Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: Another user possibly illegal copying from GMaps

[Erwin Olario]

I also got a reply, and the username[0] has been changed.

The user acknowledged their affiliation with the Para app, but did not
disclose the source of their edits.

I have previously been in touch with officers from this corporation, and in
the past, they promised that they will abide by OSM rules.  If you get any
permission to share that number, I'm willing to discuss this further with
their users

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On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 10:07 AM Jherome Miguel 
wrote:

>
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Jherome Miguel 
> Date: Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 8:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Another user possibly illegal copying from GMaps
> To: Eugene Alvin Villar 
>
>
> Just received reply (in Tagalog) from user, asking me to contact by phone,
> but as I’m in Canada, could discuss it on-site instead. I’m in a middle of
> a mass revert of edits around BF Homes when I received their PM.
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[talk-ph] Bikeways in OpenStreetMap

[Erwin Olario]

Hi folks! Are you interested in (or already) mapping bikeways and cycling
elements in OSM?

The local community channel on Telegram [0] is organizing an
(approximately) hour-long online meeting next week, 22nd May, Saturday,
21:00.

The meeting [1] is public and recorded --  we hope you can join us, and
feel free to invite like-minded friends or people from your network.

The tentative agenda is here [2]. Please modify (or comment) the pad if you
are keen to join the meeting with specific topics in mind.

/erwin

[0]: https://t.me/OSMph
[1]: https://8x8.vc/mapatime/wemap.OSMxPadyak
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Re: [talk-ph] Help fix the road network in the Philippines with MapRoulette challenges

[Erwin Olario]

It's actually possible to work on multiple tasks [0] on MapRoulette for the
same challenge without having to make any changes on how the challenges are
made

You only need to edit your layout and then select the multiple tasks [3] as
a "bundle." The only caveat here is that if you need to change the
individual status of the tasks (e.g. one is fixed, another is too hard),
you need to unbundle them and set then individually. Otherwise, a  task
status change is applied to the whole bundle.

This is very useful when tasks are in the same vicinity, and it's more
practical to work on some of them at the same time.

[0]:
https://github.com/osmlab/maproulette3/wiki/Solving-Multiple-Tasks-Together



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On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 8:19 AM Eugene Alvin Villar  wrote:

> Hello Andrew,
>
> Thank you again for providing these MapRoulette challenges. I've been
> going through some of these and I do have one feedback regarding the
> overlapping ways challenge which I hope can be improved on in the future.
> Right now, if there are two roads that are overlapping each other, a
> MapRoulette task is created for each segment that those two ways overlap.
> Fixing one task is quite simple but then it results in a lot of clicking in
> MapRoulette to mark the adjacent tasks as fixed as well. It would be nice
> if these adjacent tasks could be merged into just one MR task showing the
> whole extent of the overlap.
>
> Regards,
> Eugene
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 2:39 AM Andrew Wiseman via talk-ph <
> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> This is Andrew again from Apple. I wanted to let everyone know that we
>> just updated the MapRoulette challenges related to road network issues in
>> the Philippines with new OSM data.
>>
>> You can find all of the challenges in this MapRoulette project:
>> https://maproulette.org/browse/projects/39286 and they include things
>> like overly sharp road angles, roads that cross but aren’t connected, roads
>> that aren’t connected to anything, overlapping roads, turn restrictions,
>> roads that are close but not connected to others, and other similar issues.
>> I plan to work on some of them myself too.
>>
>> If you haven’t used it before, MapRoulette lets you go through potential
>> issues in OSM data one by one and either correct them or indicate they are
>> not a problem. The challenges were created with our Atlas data analysis
>> tool: https://github.com/osmlab/atlas.
>>
>> If you aren’t sure what challenge to try, sharp angles or crossing roads
>> are probably the easiest but they should all be fairly straightforward.
>>
>> Please let me know if you have any suggestions or feedback. Thank you!
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> Andrew Wiseman |  Maps | iPhone: +1.202.270.4464 |
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Re: [talk-ph] A Call to Correct Narratives aboutGeospatial Work in the Philippines

[Erwin Olario]

Looks like the YouTube video has been pulled down. Thankfully, someone made
an archive of the video here:
https://catdrop.drycat.fr/r/BMnz2gzJ#2ZFAiINWEgHDU+ncv1ZHj78vQFB0/weneUJRC6L+XxQ=

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On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 10:00 PM Eugene Alvin Villar 
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Last September 1, Amazon Web Services (AWS) released an episode of their
> documentary series *Now Go Build* which highlighted the work done by the
> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team in the Philippines, especially in mapping
> the town of Guagua, Pampanga.
>
> You can see AWS' video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqQwEOaKRas
>
> Several members of the OSM-PH community however have observed that there
> are missing and problematic narratives in the video related to the story it
> tells of geospatial and humanitarian workers in the country.
>
> Therefore, some of us have prepared and release the following statement:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/a/aa/A_Call_to_Correct_Narratives_about_Geospatial_Work.pdf
>
> Regards,
> Eugene
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Re: [talk-ph] Rollback of admin boundary edits in the Philippines due to incompatible license (was Re: Alaminos Barangay borders)

[Erwin Olario]

Thank you to the volunteers who helped out, and the support of the OSM
community.

In this regard, we wish to call on your feedback/inputs regarding how the
community can clearly communicate whether data sources are compatible (or
incompatible) with OpenStreetMap.

I have drafted an FAQ  [1] that is eventually intended for adding to the
OSM wiki Philippine community convention page, with the hope that we can
avoid incidents like this in the future.

Feel free to add your inputs directly on the pad, or leave comments
therein, or add your responses to this thread [1]

[0]: https://hackmd.io/yDFExxTeSaW6CwSdoEu2YA?view
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On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 7:06 PM maning sambale 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> This work is finished.  It took a while due to the complexity of the
> revert.
> What this means right now is that place geocoding (via nominatim ) is
> less accurate and the visual map for boundaries has less details.
> However, our map is much better without incompatible licensed data!
> Thanks to all who helped!
> https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/67#issuecomment-673892712
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 11:56 AM maning sambale
>  wrote:
> >
> > After reviewing initial results of the automated rollback [0] we
> > decided to do a manual process involving a couple of mappers [1].
> > Please check the workflow linked and let us know if anyone wants to help.
> >
> > [0]
> https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/67#issuecomment-653891322
> > [1]
> https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/67#issuecomment-655266926
>
>
>
> --
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> maning
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[talk-ph] draft FAQ - data sources for OSM contributors in PH :: invitation for inputs

[Erwin Olario]

Hello everyone.

As you may know, there's a line-up of rollbacks [0][1] [2] that's been
determined to have come from incompatible sources. It seems that the main
source of misunderstanding is that certain "free" government geodata and
maps are assumed to be okay to use in OpenStreetMap as a source.

Among these are data from: NAMRIA, Philippine Statistical Authority,
Project NOAH.

None of these agencies has signed a waiver, or has given any permission to
publish their data in OSM under ODbL.

The Department of Education, is the only government agency that permits[3]
the use of their data, specifically their dataset released in 2013 to be
published in OSM. This is the data source of the OSMaPaaralan project[4].

I'd like to invite the community for inputs and comments on the draft pad
for [5] for the FAQ - data sources for OSM contributors in PH

/erwin

[0]: https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/67
[1]: https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/69
[2]: https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/63
[3]:
https://github.com/OSMPH/deped_schools_db/blob/master/data/DepEd_Letter_to_OSM_20132012.pdf
[4]: https://osm.org/wiki/Philippines/OSMaPaaralan
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Re: [talk-ph] Alaminos Barangay borders

[Erwin Olario]

Glen, thank you for the heads up! Boundaries are great to have, but I'll
also look into the affected changesets, and reach out to the contributor

Are you still in Pangasinan? Stay healthy and safe.

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On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 2:21 PM Glen Scott  wrote:

> Hi PH mapping folks,
> I was just in a boring online meeting and had a chance to look at OSM
> (been too busy to get to it for a while).  I noticed Barangay borders have
> been added to Alaminos (and between Alaminos and other Pangasinan cities),
> yet these are radically different to either Alaminos Town Hall maps or the
> Cadastal survey map set I got from DENR.
>
> The borders were added by VMPanes, I'll try to contact VMPanes to
> establish the basis of the borders. I think that no borders is better than
> incorrect borders, unfortunately I haven't had the time to stitch the
> cadastral set together in electronic format to arrive at a more accurate
> border than the Alaminos City Hall map, which is at quite a small scale.
>
> Cheers
> Glen
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[talk-ph] Expand the French caresteouvert to PHL

[Erwin Olario]

Hi everyone.

If you're interested in help out complete the requirements to expand the
coverage of  the Ça reste ouvert ("Bukás pa din") map [0] to the PHL I have
a draft pad here [1] with a link to a Google sheets [2]  that lists tags
covered under the "essential services" definition of the memo from
Malacanang re CoVid-19.

You can enlist your name in the pad,  and I'll give you write access to the
sheet.

[0]: https://www.caresteouvert.fr/
[1]: https://hackmd.io/mbQ7Im8XRH-sFHfZT5jUoQ
[2]:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QpaSX9uQtlWHFtjnh_4KTpNDab4jBXtb4o-8UDZJpVA
[3]:
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[talk-ph] It's #MapaTime! sa SLU Baguio !! - Open Data Day event

[Erwin Olario]

0n 7th March, Saturday,  the SLU School of Architecture and Engineering [0]
is hosting their first ever mapathon for the OSMaPaaralan initiative, and
to celebrate Open Data day with OpenStreetMap enthusiasts and civic-minded
volunteers from Baguio City.

If you happen to be in Baguio, or close enough, we'd love to meet you
there, to help map public schools in the Philippines on OpenStreetMap,
especially in Baguio and Benguet province.

The event is free and some slots are open to the public. For details, and
to save your free seat (and pansit), please RSVP via the event registration
page [2].

Pancit is made possible, through the OSMph #PHancitFund.

This is the unabridged version of the original announcement [3].

/erwin
[0]: http://www.slu.edu.ph/academics/schools/engineering-and-architecture/
[1]: https://osm.org/wiki/Philippines/OSMaPaaralan
[2]: https://ti.to/mapatime/slu-osmapaaralan
[3]: https://en.osm.town/@MapAmore/103724854431315710

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Re: [talk-ph] Street or road name suffixes

[Erwin Olario]

I disagree with adding abbreviations to street names. The observation that
map renders automatically render them are limited to certain styles, and
won't apply to OSM data used elsewhere.

Notwithstanding the on-the-ground rule of the thumb, the standing
convention for abbreviations is ** don't do it**.
https://osmorg/wiki/Names#Abbreviation_.28don.27t_do_it.29



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On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 11:14 AM Jherome Miguel 
wrote:

> Our present convention on street/road name suffixes, contributed by Rally
> since 2015, is to better not include them on the name if they could just
> create unnecessary clutter, but since there are already map renderers that
> can automatically abbreviate them, I think we should be changing this view.
> We should preferably stick on the on-the-ground rule on road/street names:
> if the signs (official road signs or shop signs) show a suffix, we should
> be including them rather than dropping them because there are no software
> that can handle such "map clutter" yet.
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Proposal to update the PH resources in the osm-community-index

[Erwin Olario]

When you do, kindly update the wiki page, too: osm.org/wiki/ph

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On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:40 AM maning sambale 
wrote:

> Thanks for this pr eugene. I will archive the slack channel when this
> becomes live.
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 04:57 Eugene Alvin Villar 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> If you have ever edited in OSM using the iD editor, you may have noticed
>> a list of communication channels on the left sidebar after you have saved
>> your edits. This list comes from the osm-community-index:
>> https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index
>>
>> I would like to propose some changes to the list for the Philippines:
>>  • Remove Slack since we no longer use this communication channel
>>  • Update the order as follows: Telegram group, talk-ph mailing list
>> (this one), Facebook page
>>  • Update descriptions and add extended descriptions
>>
>> You can see the detailed changes in the following GitHub commit:
>>
>> https://github.com/OSMPH/osm-community-index/commit/4a8a8ee9dc2158bec3c74e76e62214dd56d88988
>>
>> Please do review the changes and provide feedback and suggestions. Once
>> we have consensus for the changes, I will submit a pull request to have the
>> changes integrated into the main index.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Eugene
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Re: [talk-ph] Tagging of barangays and sitios/puroks

[Erwin Olario]

In the context of the global conventions, quarters in the Philippines are
akin to downtown Poblacion areas.  It could be used to tag large
subdivisions with each phase as a neighbourhood.

I agree, the current convention is to tag barangays as place=village.
Puroks can be tagged as place=neighbourhoods, as with sitios (without
"Sitio", following the current barangay tagging convention) unless they are
remote , which would then be place=hamlet

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On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 8:57 AM Jherome Miguel 
wrote:

> I am already seeing retagging of barangays in urban areas (e.g. Metro
> Manila) from place=village to place=quarter. Our present guidelines for
> tagging local government unit (LGU) says barangays always get tagged as
> village regardless if it's in an urban or rural area, but the
> recommendation to tag urban barangays to quarter hasn't been documented yet
> nor discussed (though I agree with it as they better reflect the situation
> in urban areas and the general tagging recommendations).
>
> Our current guidelines on mapping sitios/puroks is to tag them as
> place=neighbourhood, even if it's on a rural or isolated area. I tag them
> as place=hamlet instead, as they better reflect how they are in reality
> (those are usually clusters of homes with populations of ~100-200, though
> those are just approximates as they are not covered in censuses) and best
> follows general tagging recommendations. I'm also considering having this
> scheme for sitios/puroks depending on their location:
>
> * Urban - place=neighbourhood
> * Rural - place=hamlet
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Re: [talk-ph] Tagging of implied speed limits

[Erwin Olario]

The speed limit used by some routing applications, per country, was
docmented here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Maxspeed#Philippines

This is where some routing apps use for their calculations based on implied
speeds. The actual speed limits tags on specific ways (based on what's on
the ground) is used by the navigation app that consumes OSM data.

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On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 1:33 PM Jherome Miguel 
wrote:

> While there haven't been a decision on revising the existing
> classifications
> for roads, I am also considering discussing a tagging scheme for implied
> speed limits (those not indicated by a sign). I have been experimenting
> with tagging of those unsigned speed limits on some of my last edits, but
> I'm also thinking of a standard for the country.
>
> 
>
> The default speed limits for the Philippines (as codified in the Land
> Transportation and Traffic Code or Republic Act 4136) are as follows
>
> 80 kph (50 for heavy trucks and buses) - "open country" roads
> 40 kph (30 for trucks and buses) - "through" roads within built-up area
> 30 kph - "non-through" roads within built-up areas
> 20 kph - crowded streets
>
> In addition, many major rural roads may have lower implied limits (e.g. 40
> kph) due to factors such as pedestrians walking on the road, and some major
> urban roads may have a higher limit (e.g. 60 for multi-lane roads or other
> roads where pedestrians don't frequently cross or walk alongside vehicles).
>
> Expressways are not covered by RA 4136, but there seems to be these
> defaults (almost all of these explicitly marked by standard circular signs):
>
> 100 (80 for heavy trucks and buses) - rural
> 80 - urban
> 60 - minimum
>
> 
>
> These defaults, in turn, corresponds to these possible values for OSM
> (along with the corresponding numeric value:
>
> - PH:rural - 80
> - PH:urban - 30 (minor through roads within cities/municipalities,
> generally those classified tertiary), 40 (all other major roads), 60
> (higher-quality roads, generally multi-lane)
> -PH:living_street - 20 (note: includes anything classified unclassified,
> residential and service, not only those classified living_street)
>
> Important questions are:
>
> 1.) How should we handle the RA 4136 categories: source:maxspeed= or
> maxspeed:type=?
> 2.) Is this already a fine proposal, or this may need some tweaking?
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Road reclassification / Edit war

[Erwin Olario]

Thank you for the heads up, Frederik!  I don't think anyone noticed this
"war" going on, but I'm glad somebody made a report.

I am personally aware of the road classification changes being made by "
TagaSanPedroAKo" in the past, and in my view they are mostly correct and
consistent. While it's unfortunate that the discussions about reviewing the
convention hasn't progressed since, I think it's in the best interest of
the local community to do so again, as soon as possible.

(And with my Kaart cap on), I'd like to say that the local Kaart team is
willing to assist and contribute to the discussion, moving forward.

/erwin

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On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 5:08 AM Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> Dear talk-ph mailing list,
>
> the DWG has been contacted because of an edit war between the users
> "TagaSanPedroAKo" and "rjamz26" in the greater Manila area.
>
> It appears that "TagaSanPedroAKo" has embarked on a large road
> reclassification project that started over a year ago. There was a
> little discussion in a ticket created by TagaSanPedroAKo here
>
> https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/38
>
> but not much interest. He has also explained his view of things in great
> detail on the wiki on a page written exclusively by him
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Mapping_conventions/Roads
>
> and he seems to generally approach this with a spirit of "this change is
> necessary and correct and I know what I'm doing".
>
> Now another user, rjamz26, has reverted some of TagaSanPedroAKo's edits
> in the Manila area, and this has led to an edit war and I have blocked
> both users and asked them to stop reclassifying roads until the matter
> is settled.
>
> The first thing I need to find out is if the edits made by
> TagaSanPedroAKo are actually wanted by the Philippines OSM community, or
> if they are the work of a "lone wolf" who is out of touch with what the
> the others do. TagaSanPedroAKo certainly sounds very sure that he's
> doing the right thing, but he wouldn't be the first person in OSM to be
> doing "the right thing" against the wishes of almost everyone else!
>
> If the local community thinks that TagaSanPedroAKo is going over board
> with his reclassification projects, then I could revert these changes,
> or I could make a list of these changes for the community to review.
> (The total number of ways where the highway tag was changed by
> TagaSanPedroAKo is about 4,200.) If, on the other hand, the community
> agrees with the changes, then we should find out why rjamz26 has
> reverted some of them, and ensure it doesn't happen again.
>
> Any light you can shed on this is helpful.
>
> Thank you
> Frederik
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Re: [talk-ph] Project announcement for PhilAWARE, and HOT country team starting in the Philippines

[Erwin Olario]

Thank you for the update, Paul.

Hi everyone. Both Nick and Adityo volunteered to do lightning talks, and
can extend the conversation during the informal Tapok-tapok (BOF) session
on Philaware [0] in the Pista ng Mapa conference , ask the volunteers in
the check-in area for details.

/erwin

[0]: https://ti.to/PistaNgMapa/2019#schedule

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On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 1:32 AM Paul Uithol  wrote:

> Hi everyone in the OSM Philippines community,
>
> I'd like to introduce a new project Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team will
> be working on in the Philippines, PhilAWARE. This is a local installation
> of DisasterAWARE, a disaster risk reduction and integrated early warning
> and decision support system that also incorporates many data layers from
> OpenStreetMap. Over the past week, we've been working here in Manila to set
> up this new project - there's an article on the launch of the program in
> Manila at https://www.pdc.org/philippines-drr-programs-kick-off-2019/.
>
> Our new Country Manager in the Philippines is Nick Brown, and he'll be
> working to set up our team & project in the Philippines. A number of you
> will likely be in Dumaguete later this week; both Nick and Adityo
> Dwijananto (from our Indonesia team) will be attending, to answer any
> questions you might have and discuss more about this project - so please
> feel free to chat to and ask any questions to Nick or Adityo!
>
> We're very happy to finally be able to offer more support of the great
> work that has been happening in the Philippines! Nick can be reached via
> nick.br...@hotosm.org.
>
> thanks,
> Paul
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Re: [talk-ph] Building Resilient Communities in Bohol Through the Use of OpenStreetMap (OSM) -- Project Announcement

[Erwin Olario]

Thank you sending the mailing list an update, Feye. We wish you success in
this effort!

We're looking forward to see the details and updates about your project on
its OSM Wiki page, as can be expected under the OSMF Organized Editing
Guidelines [0]

[0]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines

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On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 3:27 PM Feye Andal  wrote:

> Good day, OSM Philippines community!
>
> The UP Resilience Institute (UPRI)  was
> established in 2016 with a mission statement to empower local communities
> through multidisciplinary research and actions toward resilience. Last
> year, the UP Resilience Institute Youth Mappers
>  was formally launched under
> the UPRI with the aim of mapping the communities using volunteered
> geographic information (VGI) and building the capacities of the local
> communities in order to fight real world problems such as poverty, disease,
> hunger, and disasters.
>
>
>
> With our new project, *“Building Resilient Communities in Bohol Through
> the Use of OpenStreetMap (OSM)” *funded by the TELUS International
> Community Board
> ,
> we seek to improve the structures dataset including building footprints and
> road network and to produce municipal-level risk maps in the province of
> Bohol through the use of open-source tools such as OSM, QGIS, and WebSAFE
> that can be used for disaster risk planning and mitigation. OSM and its
> associated mapping tools are effective at providing rapid support to local
> government unit efforts in disaster risk reduction and management,
> including strengthening of contingency plans and risk-sensitive land use
> plans.
>
>
> Having embraced public participation and open data, we collaborate with
> like-minded organizations to help us improve emergency response and
> disaster mitigation throughout the country. Part of this effort is to
> conduct a 2-day OSM training in Bohol and finish the mapping task on HOT
> Tasking Manager (https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/6212). The mapping
> activities will run for 4 months (June-September). We hope to use the OSM
> data in creating municipal-level disaster risk assessment that can be used
> by the communities, LGUs, and NGOs.
>
>
> We will be glad if you could join us in mapping the province of Bohol
> through our mapping task. If you have question/s and concern/s regarding
> the project, please do not hesitate to contact us.
>
>
> Thank you so much!
>
>
> Best,
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Re: [talk-ph] Satellite imagery

[Erwin Olario]

Hi Glen.

>From what I've seen the Maxar layers are often better than what was
available from DigitalGlobe. Of course, this may vary a lot from place to
place, so it might not be true in your case. Could your case be an issue of
bad imagery alignment from Maxar?

If you don't mind sharing your the location of the area you're interested
in, could you? I'm curious about how they look like.

Anyway,It might be worthwhile to check the Mapbox layer, too. Or the more
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On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 8:11 AM Glen Scott  wrote:

> Sorry guys, I've been busy and not paying any attention to OSM of late,
> but just has a look and see Digitalglobe layers have been replaced by Maxar
> (I'm using iD). Google tells me Maxar bought Digitalglobe some time back.
> I'm now seeing water where I stood in a car park in early 2018, and where
> Digitalglobe was showing a car park. A few of my buildings are now in the
> sea. I think the Maxar imagery is maybe 4 years older than Digitalglobe.
>
> Any tricks to see the newer imagery (that we had)? Or just hard luck?
> Sorry if this has been discussed before...
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: [talk-ph] FEU Alabang YouthMappers Training

[Erwin Olario]

That's goods news from the YouthMappers FEU chapter.

I wonder though why you want to include JOSM, when you only have two days
to cover all the other topics + the field work activity. I would suggest
you just focus on iD for editing -- it's powerful enough for most tasks,
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On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 6:36 PM Pierre Edwin See Tiong <
plseeti...@outlook.com> wrote:

> Good Day,
>
> The FEUTech YouthMappers has been invited to conduct a training for the 
> *Association
> of Computing Machinery (ACM) in FEU Alabang*, the new and  3rd chapter of
> YouthMappers network in the Philippines. The training will cover all the
> introduction and basic skills that they will be needing such as
> informations about OpenStreetMap (OSM) and Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
> (HOT). This training will also cover the introduction and basic skills in
> OSM ID Editor, JOSM, Mapillary and Field Papers.
>
> This will be a 2-days training from *July 10 – 11, 9am to 4pm *for all
> officers of ACM, all interested students and faculty members. Where the 1st
> day will focus on fundamentals and workshop using ID Editor, while the 2nd
> day will focus on using Field Papers, Mapillary and JOSM for their field
> mapping experience.
>
> We are going to use the Food Security task for the first day training
> while the participants will be deployed to their designated area around FEU
> Alabang and Festival Mall for Field Papers and Mapillary experience.
>
> Here are the hashtags that we are going to use:
> #FEUAlabangYM
> #YouthMappers
>
> For comments, suggestions, questions please contact me in this email.
>
> Wiki page: FEUAlabang YouthMappers Training
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[talk-ph] Central Visayas road alignment validation is complete, Calabarzon is next.

[Erwin Olario]

We'd like to thank all the mappers who continue to contribute updates and
feedback, especially the student volunteers of the PUPSJCWTS++ project
[1],  for your diligent efforts to identify and digitize missing roads tasks
in Luzon [2], Visayas [3], and Mindanao [4].

We at Team Kaart is pleased to announce the completion of our road
validation (and fixes) in the Central Visayas region [5] two weeks ago,
where over 1,100 kilometers of road geometry and alignment was looked into
(and fixed, where necessary). We also addressed missing roads, and JOSM
validation issues that we encounter in the tasks.

The effort is going to be replicated in Calabarzon [0], albeit at a much
slower pace since it isn't going to be an immediate priority for now.

As always, questions, or comments are welcome. Please do not hesitate to
get in touch.

Cheers,
Erwin

[0]: https://github.com/KaartGroup/Philippines/issues/54
[1]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/CWTSS%2B%2B_Project
[2]: https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/5414
[3]: https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/5429
[4]: https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/5430
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Re: [talk-ph] Request clarification on access restrictions

[Erwin Olario]

Eugene, that indeed is a use case here. We probably know of people who
could get us those stickers/passes that will let us pass through through
gated subdivisions, when technically, those are meant for their homeowners
or residents. Don't you have a pass down South, "Friendship Sticker",
that'll let you pass through several gated subdivisions? Are there still
subdivisions that require you to pay for a toll fee to pass through?

However, shouldn't that be a special case for the router they use? The
conventional case for the general public are those roads are inaccessible
for them, unless they have to see somebody in those subdivisions, and they
are authorized to be let in. And, if they are let in, they aren't allowed
to pass through - and is required to leave an ID card -, and have to leave
through the same gate.

FWIW, OsmAnd's built-in router will ask you if you want to ignore the
private access tag, and then prepare the routing options for you. Magic
Earth sometimes ignore the private access tag, depending on your vehicle.





On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 6:53 PM Eugene Alvin Villar 
wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:56 PM Erwin Olario  wrote:
>
>> destination - temporary access is given, until destination is reached
>> (shared roads, in gated communities/subdivisions/estates)
>>
>
> I actually have a quibble with access=destination when tagged for roads
> inside gated communities. Technically, residents or those who otherwise
> have vehicular stickers can pass through the gated community if there are
> more than 1 exits. Given that there exists a sophisticated router software,
> a resident or sticker-holder should be able to pass through the gated
> community maybe to avoid traffic in external roads without needing to
> actually stop inside the gated community, which is what is implied by the
> "destination" access.
>
> An example of this case is the huge BF Homes Parañaque subdivision. Most
> residents and those who have stickers often pass through the subdivision to
> avoid traffic along Alabang-Zapote Road or Sucat Road. If you tag these
> roads as access=destination, a router would not route through the
> subdivision unless the destination is inside.
>
> ~Eugene
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Request clarification on access restrictions

[Erwin Olario]

Currently, many highways within gated subdivisions are tagged as private.
It seems that the more appropriate tag is access=destination, where access
rights are granted every time a guest is allowed in, and is the most likely
case. access=permissive is not necessarily correct, where the visitor is
assumed to have been given casual access, without asking further permission.

In summary, common access values for access for local roads:
private - access to owners only (e.g, household driveways)
destination - temporary access is given, until destination is reached
(shared roads, in gated communities/subdivisions/estates)
permissive - nominally private, casual use are tolerated by the owners
until revoked (e.g. private subdivisions, without guards or barriers)



On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:35 PM grab osm via talk-ph <
talk-ph@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Hi Team,
>
> Request your help in clarifying a couple of questions related to access
> restrictions.
>
> 1)**Incorrect segments assigned as access=private**
> At this location, 14.6792514, 121.0568702, there is a gate with name(Gate
> to Pingki-an 2).
> Basis gate location and name, we assume segments to the north should be
> assigned as access=permissive basis poi's and surrounding landuse polygon
> names
> Example way id's -
> way 655215117
> way 655215119
> way 655215118
> way 129591536
> However, access restrictions are given to segments towards south
> Example way id's -
> way 28296648
> way 23172246
> way 23172447
>
> 2)**Segments assigned as access=private should be changed to
> access=permissive**
> Below mentioned example way id's are assigned as access=private, however
> basis the landuse residential polygons, we assume access should be changed
> to permissive.
> Example way id's -
> way 130960943
> way 22952874
> way 28296647
> way 22952900
>
> Alternatively we have created an issue
> <https://github.com/GRABOSM/Grab-Data/issues/31> in our github page.
> Kindly take time to review and suggest.
>
> Thanks,
> GrabTeam
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Feb 16 Mindanao Mapping Party

[Erwin Olario]

Have you complied with the OSMF Guidelines for organized editing found in
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines ?

Among others, we're particularly interested in your wiki page section that
discloses your "post-event clean-up plan".

On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 14:14 Celina Agaton  wrote:

> Para sa pagmamahal sa bayan! Alang sa paghigugma sa atong nasud!
>
> This Valentine's weekend, join our free mapping party on Saturday,
> February 16 from 9 to 5pm to help map Mindanao to support rural farming,
> healthcare and artisan communities. MapPH and Youthmappers Philippines
> chapters at FEU Technology Junior Philippine Computer Society and UP
> Resilience Institute welcome you to
>
> * Learn how to map with OpenStreetMap
> * Meet mappers from the public and private sector
> * Join the international humanitarian mapping community
> * Win prizes and enjoy pizza and snacks
>
> Saturday, February 16 9am to 5pm
> FEU Institute of Technology
> 17th Floor
> P. Paredes, Manila 1015
> FREE tickets with registration at https://mapphminda.eventbrite.com
> <https://mapphminda.eventbrite.com/?fbclid=IwAR0oSqfepDoTwZfquR7WMbIbIL07_r6PxOqnWcY_P9K1zR55Caf6raJB8ow>
>
> View the event on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/events/204320421584/
>
> We'll announce the tasks and field work in emails to follow! Youthmappers,
> George Washington University and Humanitarian OpenStreetMap will be helping
> provide support and map validation to our new mappers.
>
> Hope to see you there!
> Celina
>
> celinaagaton.com
> Twitter @celinaagaton <http://twitter.com/celinaagaton>
> Skype: celinaagaton
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Re: [talk-ph] Mapping private information in Lupang Arenda

[Erwin Olario]

I'd just want to inform everyone that the Data Working Group (DWG) has
finally imposed a long-term block on all the accounts (including new ones
that attempted to circumvent the block) that published the personal
information on OpenStreetMap. Previous blocks were put in place to catch
the mappers' attention, and attempt to reach out to them.

The DWG decision to block the accounts has to do with the contributors
willfully ignoring the attempts to communicate with them, not following the
OSMF guidelines on documenting organized editing projects, and, more
importantly, for attempting to continue to publish private data.

Some of us have made attempts to find the directors of the project to help
them solve their mapping challenge through local contacts with
organizations working in the community, and though we thought we found
some, they were actually dead ends.

Belatedly, one of the blocked accounts, responded to one of the direct
messages sent to them, but only to plead that their edits not to be
deleted, and without any further information about themselves or their
project.

It's really unfortunate to see all their efforts wasted but this should
serve as a reminder for all other sizable editing projects to take the time
to get in touch with the local community, to seek their inputs, before
proceeding with any project.

And, please take note of the the adopted OSM Foundation guidelines on
organized editing  [0], which can help the rest of the community understand
what your intentions are, and determine the persons responsible for the
project, and who we can contact, if any issue comes up.

I'm closing the Papercut-Fix ticket[1] now, but will revisit this from time
to time.  There appears to be no more edits happening in the AOI, and we
have not received any new messages from the group of mappers we've
identified with the effort.

/erwina

[0]:
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/6/62/Organised_Editing_Guidelines.pdf
[1]: https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/49

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 9:25 PM maning sambale 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Over the last couple of days we noticed several mappers in Lupang
> Arenda Taytay/Cainta are adding names of residents on buildings.
> We have been reviewing and fixing a lot of theses edits [0].  I
> believe Erwin also added comments in some changesets.
>
> We are not sure what is the purpose of these edits, our hunch is that
> the data is being used for a community based land tenure project.
> While using OSM for land rights is a commendable endeavor, private
> information such as names of residents should not be in OSM.
> We are requesting the Data Working Group to redact these data ASAP.
>
> If anyone knows about this initiative, we would love to talk to the
> organizers so that we can help them how to use OSM without
> compromising privacy.
>
>
> [0]
> https://osmcha.mapbox.com/?filters=%7B%22date__gte%22%3A%5B%7B%22label%22%3A%22%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22%22%7D%5D%2C%22geometry%22%3A%5B%7B%22label%22%3A%7B%22coordinates%22%3A%5B%5B%5B121.09267299103794%2C14.553205630453988%5D%2C%5B121.11572489832605%2C14.553431006907346%5D%2C%5B121.1203818492969%2C14.530554123541435%5D%2C%5B121.113473703%2C14.523466229286896%5D%2C%5B121.10683755375703%2C14.526171095636244%5D%2C%5B121.0964758378588%2C14.540145711273581%5D%2C%5B121.09426378614421%2C14.541836129052285%5D%2C%5B121.09267299103794%2C14.553205630453988%5D%5D%5D%2C%22type%22%3A%22Polygon%22%7D%2C%22value%22%3A%7B%22coordinates%22%3A%5B%5B%5B121.09267299103794%2C14.553205630453988%5D%2C%5B121.11572489832605%2C14.553431006907346%5D%2C%5B121.1203818492969%2C14.530554123541435%5D%2C%5B121.113473703%2C14.523466229286896%5D%2C%5B121.10683755375703%2C14.526171095636244%5D%2C%5B121.0964758378588%2C14.540145711273581%5D%2C%5B121.09426378614421%2C14.541836129052285%5D%2C%5B121.09267299103794%2C14.553205630453988%5D%5D%5D%2C%22type%22%3A%22Polygon%22%7D%7D%5D%2C%22is_suspect%22%3A%5B%7B%22label%22%3A%22Yes%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22True%22%7D%5D%2C%22harmful%22%3A%5B%7B%22label%22%3A%22Show%20Bad%20only%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22True%22%7D%5D%7D
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Re: [talk-ph] Request for clarification on road tagging guidelines

[Erwin Olario]

The segment in question should be `primary_link`, following the attributes
of the higher highway.

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 11:44 AM grab osm  wrote:

> Apologize Erwin.
>
> Here are the further details of our question.
>
> When a way segment that connects to a Major road, please suggest if the
> the connector should have same classification as the way segment or that of
> a Major Road with link attribute assigned
>
> Below is an example:
> [image: image]
> <https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/38514914/51738144-70316c00-20b4-11e9-807a-a809f4f1c068.png>
> Please suggest, if any further infirnation is needed.
>
> Thanks
> Lavanya
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 08:58 Erwin Olario 
>>
>> I think it's bad form to just post a ticket link here, without actually
>> specifying your question.
>>
>> If you post something here, expect answers to be answered here as well.
>> Your ticket tracking system is your own, not the community's.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 10:23 AM grab osm via talk-ph <
>> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Good Morning Everyone,
>>>
>>> Request a quick clarification on road tagging guidelines.
>>> We have created an issue in our github page and here is the link.
>>> https://github.com/GRABOSM/Grab-Data/issues/30
>>> Kindly take time to review and suggest
>>>
>>> Thanks
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Re: [talk-ph] Request for clarification on road tagging guidelines

[Erwin Olario]

I think it's bad form to just post a ticket link here, without actually
specifying your question.

If you post something here, expect answers to be answered here as well.
Your ticket tracking system is your own, not the community's.




On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 10:23 AM grab osm via talk-ph <
talk-ph@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Good Morning Everyone,
>
> Request a quick clarification on road tagging guidelines.
> We have created an issue in our github page and here is the link.
> https://github.com/GRABOSM/Grab-Data/issues/30
> Kindly take time to review and suggest
>
> Thanks
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[talk-ph] Marikina Mapping Party on 26th, Saturday, 06:30

[Erwin Olario]

We're having a (field) mapping party this Saturday, in Marikina City — our
community's first for 2019. The last mapping party by the community was in
the summer of 2016, running around UP Village [0]. Myself, the last one I
joined was in Davao, about 8 months ago.

Markina ay "teritoryo" ni Maning S., siya rin ang may pakana kung bakit
dito tayo.  Sa susunod na mapping party (binabalak itong gawin quarterly)
ay maari mag-mungkahi nang paborito niyong kapitbahayan. Pag-usapan natin
dito, o sa LoCo Telegram channel [1], para ma-plantsa sa susunod.

We're meeting at Pan de Amerikana [2][3], along Ordoñez Avenue, for a light
breakfast (no host, we're going Dutch!) at ~06:30, for a short briefing
about the scope, our assignments, and tools we're using, and where we're
going to meet-up at the end of the data collection run.

In case you miss us, just leave a message on Telegram [1], for further
instructions.

Wear comfy clothes, and sun protection. Don't worry about bringing gadgets,
we're using FieldPapers for data collection, so just bring a pen and
clipboard (recommended) or any rigid writing surface . If you haven't tried
this before, we'll teach you for free. It's easy-peasy.

You're free to use your favorite data collection tools. Then we can have a
show-and-tell session afterwards.  As for myself, I'm planning to ride
around on a bike and an action camera, to collect street-level imagery. 

Please RSVP [4], so we know who and how many to expect. Leave a message
here, for your questions.

A surprise gift awaits the first two newcomers (0-360 days old in OSM)
who'll join us in Pan de Amerikana. We rollout at 07:30.

[0]: https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/UP_Village%2B_Mapping_Party
[1]: https://t.me/OSMph
[2]: geo:14.64458,121.11378?z=19
[3]: https://osm.org/go/4zhZBVx~w?m=
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Re: [talk-ph] Mapping private information in Lupang Arenda

[Erwin Olario]

Temporary block has been applied by DWG to affected accounts. Looking
forward to hear back from at least one of them.

DWG is requesting for feedback, and that we raise the following concerns:
* data privacy protection (family names, and information like number of
household members (including children) that they've been posting)
* quality of the building geometry
* wiki page for their project

FYI.


On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 9:25 PM maning sambale 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Over the last couple of days we noticed several mappers in Lupang
> Arenda Taytay/Cainta are adding names of residents on buildings.
> We have been reviewing and fixing a lot of theses edits [0].  I
> believe Erwin also added comments in some changesets.
>
> We are not sure what is the purpose of these edits, our hunch is that
> the data is being used for a community based land tenure project.
> While using OSM for land rights is a commendable endeavor, private
> information such as names of residents should not be in OSM.
> We are requesting the Data Working Group to redact these data ASAP.
>
> If anyone knows about this initiative, we would love to talk to the
> organizers so that we can help them how to use OSM without
> compromising privacy.
>
>
> [0]
> https://osmcha.mapbox.com/?filters=%7B%22date__gte%22%3A%5B%7B%22label%22%3A%22%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22%22%7D%5D%2C%22geometry%22%3A%5B%7B%22label%22%3A%7B%22coordinates%22%3A%5B%5B%5B121.09267299103794%2C14.553205630453988%5D%2C%5B121.11572489832605%2C14.553431006907346%5D%2C%5B121.1203818492969%2C14.530554123541435%5D%2C%5B121.113473703%2C14.523466229286896%5D%2C%5B121.10683755375703%2C14.526171095636244%5D%2C%5B121.0964758378588%2C14.540145711273581%5D%2C%5B121.09426378614421%2C14.541836129052285%5D%2C%5B121.09267299103794%2C14.553205630453988%5D%5D%5D%2C%22type%22%3A%22Polygon%22%7D%2C%22value%22%3A%7B%22coordinates%22%3A%5B%5B%5B121.09267299103794%2C14.553205630453988%5D%2C%5B121.11572489832605%2C14.553431006907346%5D%2C%5B121.1203818492969%2C14.530554123541435%5D%2C%5B121.113473703%2C14.523466229286896%5D%2C%5B121.10683755375703%2C14.526171095636244%5D%2C%5B121.0964758378588%2C14.540145711273581%5D%2C%5B121.09426378614421%2C14.541836129052285%5D%2C%5B121.09267299103794%2C14.553205630453988%5D%5D%5D%2C%22type%22%3A%22Polygon%22%7D%7D%5D%2C%22is_suspect%22%3A%5B%7B%22label%22%3A%22Yes%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22True%22%7D%5D%2C%22harmful%22%3A%5B%7B%22label%22%3A%22Show%20Bad%20only%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22True%22%7D%5D%7D
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Re: [talk-ph] 29th December - year-end fellowship and MapaTime session

[Erwin Olario]

Mappy holidays, awesome mappers!

Just in case you overlooked, the Mapathon/Mapa-Talk/Fellowship activities
are tomorrow, from 09:00 - 18:00 at Pasig.  Don't forget to RSVSP [0].

Please feel free to bring any food for sharing, or  stuff to give away as
prizes :)

/Erwin

[0]: https://ti.to/mapamore/mapatime


On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 6:50 AM Erwin Olario  wrote:

> Please mark your December calendar for a year-end fellowship with fellow
> mappers on 29th December at Co.Lab, during the regular MapaTime [0]
> schedule ( held on every last Saturday of the month)
>
> We can discuss how to collaborate on personal initiatives, plan for next
> year's outreach activities, as well as chat with fellow mappers. Of course,
> we're going to map, too. :)
>
> Sorry for the late notice. Had Eugene not reminded me, I would've totally
> forgotten about sending a message to this list. :/
>
> Cheers,
> Erwin
>
> [0]: https://ti.to/mapamore/mapatime
>
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[talk-ph] 29th December - year-end fellowship and MapaTime session

[Erwin Olario]

Please mark your December calendar for a year-end fellowship with fellow
mappers on 29th December at Co.Lab, during the regular MapaTime [0]
schedule ( held on every last Saturday of the month)

We can discuss how to collaborate on personal initiatives, plan for next
year's outreach activities, as well as chat with fellow mappers. Of course,
we're going to map, too. :)

Sorry for the late notice. Had Eugene not reminded me, I would've totally
forgotten about sending a message to this list. :/

Cheers,
Erwin

[0]: https://ti.to/mapamore/mapatime


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Re: [talk-ph] OSM Geography Awareness Week 2018

[Erwin Olario]

Mapa Mindnanao is the mapping theme of the MapaTime! activity this month,
on 24th Nov, and our community's  belated celebration of #geoweek.

MapaTime! is held every last Saturday of the month, with morning and
afternoon sessions inter-sped by lightning talks or mini-workshops.

Do RSVP: https://ti.to/mapamore/mapatime

Cheers,
Erwin


On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 8:35 AM Eugene Alvin Villar 
wrote:

> Hello folks!
>
> This week is [OSM] Geography Awareness Week[1] and we have two OSM-related
> events coming up!
>
> 1. UP Resilience Institute GeoWeek Mapping Party 2018 - c/o UP Resilience
> Institute, UPRI YouthMappers, and Map the Philippines
> When: November 14, 2018 from 2:00pm to 6:00pm
> Where: NIGS AVR, UP Diliman
> Sign-up: https://www.facebook.com/events/191096811771780/
>
> 2. Mapa Mindanao - c/o Philippine Red Cross, MapAmore, The Asia Foundation
> When: November 17, 2018 from 9:00am to 6:00pm
> Where: Co.Lab, 3 Brixton Street, Kapitolyo, Pasig
> Sign-up: Contact Mikko Tamura @ 09052320416 <0905%20232%200416> or
> mikko.tam...@gmail.com
>
> Mapa Mindanao will also have a 2nd session on November 24.
>
> [1] http://osmgeoweek.org/
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[talk-ph] Missing roads validation, task refresh

[Erwin Olario]

Hello everyone.

We would like to announce that we've refreshed our missing roads validation
tasks [0] for the Philippines, which now supersedes some of our earlier
tasks. As before,the task is open to mappers of all skill levels.

Our earlier tasks, with your help, and those of other volunteers and
participants in our mapping activities -- especially those of our
PUPSJCWTS++ volunteers,  made it possible to complete the missing roads
tasks in Bicol, Calabarzon, Central Visayas, Davao, Eastern Visayas,
Mimaropa, Northern Mindanao, Soccskargen, Western Visayas, and
Zamboanga Peninsula. We also made some head-way in Cagayan Valley, Central
Luzon, and Ilocos.

Now, the effort is simply divided into three tasks: Luzon [1], Visayas [2],
and Mindanao [3].

Our on-going priority is the road geometry validation in the rest of
Central Visayas [4],  outside of Metro Cebu, which we completed in
September.

In behalf of the rest of the Kaart Team, thank you for your help. We
always look forward to your feedback on this, or our other tasks.

Cheers
Erwin

[0]:
https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?campaign=PH%20road%20network%20improvement=Kaart
[1]: https://github.com/KaartGroup/Philippines/issues/50
[2]: https://github.com/KaartGroup/Philippines/issues/51
[3]: https://github.com/KaartGroup/Philippines/issues/52
[4]: https://github.com/KaartGroup/Philippines/issues/49
[5]: https://i.imgur.com/by3rkpE.png


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[talk-ph] Grab's OSM data team is planning to work on roads of Cebu city

[Erwin Olario]

Grab's data team is back to working on, and reviewing Cebu city roads  [0],
to identify missing roads, and geometry issues.

FYI.

[0]: https://github.com/GRABOSM/Grab-Data/issues/26
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[talk-ph] Looking for input, feedback, and LoCo for proposed activities until CY 2019

[Erwin Olario]

We'd like to hear the inputs of many LoCo/Projects/individuals from open
(geo) data communities for our coming activities and proposed
themes/activities for next year.

We're also planning for a possible local symposium outside NCR by August
next year, with academic/government/NGOs and community enthusiasts.

The overarching goal is growing the open mapping community of volunteers
through projects and initiatives that are important for them.

You can propose themes and projects, and facilitate mini-workshops around
that theme during monthly mapping events (Mapatime!), to be held regularly,
on the last Saturday of each month beginning this month, on the 27th.

Let us know what you think:  https://framemo.org/mapamore

If you're on Telegram, the original thread is there:
https://t.me/OSMph/1875

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[talk-ph] mapping for disaster response, local community protocols

[Erwin Olario]

Tireless volunteers from the local community, with some help from
volunteers elsewhere, are mapping and validating the areas affected by
Ompong [0] for close to three weeks now. The task for Cagayan/Batanes,
marked as urgent is now 89% complete, with Cordillera (83%) and Isabela
(66%) also progressing slowly.

I think the community has done a good job with this, despite the lack of
resources. Kudos to David Garcia, Feye Andal, Mikko Tamura and our
countless other advocates who made this possible.

Anyway, this conversation was repeated several times with various people
during  and after the mapathons for Ompong, and we have  all been wondering
how we can improve our informal protocols when calling on the altruism of
volunteers to work on mapping tasks. We don't want to risk losing the
interest of mappers from donor fatigue.

I don't believe that urgent tasks should include mapping buildings.

The essential information should be settlements (landuse=residential), and
road network, and vital POIs (for example, according to Miko Tamura of the
Red Cross, it's possible for them to map/donate data for vital POIs like
barangay halls, gyms, bridges, etc., within the affected areas.), which is
also how we mapped for Yolanda in the past. This is critical for planning
and response.

Mapping buildings are important but could be deferred until the urgent task
is complete, but should be made a separate task and focused on just  that.

We should also refine the process of identifying the areas of interest, and
priority areas, focusing on the most vulnerable and tools like the
Community Risk Assessment dashboard [1] by the Netherlands Red Cross, along
with closer coordination with local DMAs could help us do better next time.
I think, we should avoid using areas that are too large, like regions and
provinces, but instead try to define task based on vulnerable
municipalities.

One of the things we probably learned from this activity, is how important
it is to specific imagery a default imagery,  so everyone works on a common
offset (no matter what their quality is) so we can reduce the effort
required for correcting for offsets later.

We probably should find more ways to reach out to local DRRM teams, who can
use the data. Mapping urgently, without a definite or immediate end user ,
appears to some as a futile exercise.

 In our last meeting, Mikko is hoping to organize a meat-space meeting to
discuss this, and things like how LoCos can improve collaboration with
other stakeholders, and actors in this space.

I'm pretty sure we have other things we can flesh out. Let's start this
discussion rolling.


Cheers,
Erwin


[0]: https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?campaign=PH%20disaster%20response
[1]: https://dashboard.510.global/#!/community_risk


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[talk-ph] [Ompong Mapa-thon] Bukás na pag-anyaya

[Erwin Olario]

Sa darating na Linggo, Ika-23 ng Sep., ay muling gaganapin ang isang
mapa-thon sa Co.Lab X Change, Kapitolyo, Pasig.  Maraming salamat sa mga
mga kaibigan sa Red Cross at mgal lokal na tagapag-taguyond ng
OpenStreetMap na umaasikaso nito.

Simula ng mai-lathala ang mga lugar na ma-mapahin [0] dahil sa pag-salanta
ni Ompong, mahigit 87,000 [1] na gusali na ang naidagdag o na-bago sa mapa
ng OSM.

Sa ngayon, habang sinusulat ko ito,  ang pagmamapa sa lalawigan ng Batanes
& Cagayan ay 76% na tapós, samantalang patuloy pa din ang pag-mamapa sa
maraming bahagi ng Cordillera (37% na tapós) at Isabela (36% na tapós).

Yayain na ang mga kaibigan, at mag-patala na ng libre ngayon sa
https://ti.to/mapamore/ompongph !

Mangyari lang na mag-RSVP dahil limitado ang espasyo, at pumili ng iskedyul
na angkop sa 'yong kalendaryo.  May karagdagan pang detalye sa website.

Paki-bahagi ang paanyayang ito sa iba ninyong mga networks, at kaibigan.

/Erwin

[0]: https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?text=ompong
[1]:
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-changesets?comment=ompongph#9/17.9722/121.6599

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[talk-ph] Metro Cebu road alignment validation is complete

[Erwin Olario]

Team Kaart is pleased to announce the completion of our road validation
(and fixes) for Metro Cebu in the Philippines, and that we are proceeding
to do the same for the rest of the Central Visayas region.

We also would like to acknowledge the contributions made by many other
contributors, especially the volunteers of the PUPSJCWTS++ project [1] for
their effort to identify and digitize our roads improvement tasks [2] that
saw the completion of regional tasks in Zamboanga Peninsula [3], Davao [4],
Eastern Visayas [5], and Central Visayas [6].

The volunteers also completed missing roads identified with ImproveOSM that
resolved all open tasks - , except one,  because we lack usable imagery.
More details available from this diary post. [7]

If you have questions, or comments, please do not hesitate to get in touch.

Cheers,


[0]:
https://github.com/KaartGroup/Philippines/issues/49#issuecomment-420482487
[1]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/CWTSS%2B%2B_Project
[2]:
https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL=PH%20road%20network%20improvement
[3]: https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4217/dashboard
[4]: https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4226/dashboard
[5]: https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4225/dashboard
[6]: https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4682/dashboard
[7]: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/GOwin/diary/44935

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[talk-ph] Advanced imagery alignment with Imagery Offsets DB

[Erwin Olario]

Earlier this week, the OSM data team of Grab posted an email [0]about their
plan to address issues [1] they found in NCR, which has led to a discussion
about the Imagery Offsets Database (IODb) [2] because of a statement in
their ticket that (they) "would be using Bing imagery **without any offset
**while correcting existing network and/or add missing roads" (emphasis in
mine) , but that phrase was nowhere in their email to the mailing list.

The Grab team has been quite responsive in the past, to address the
concerns we've had with them and they are still that to this day. Kudos
Grab team!

Eugene made note of the vague description of their task and asked them to
elaborate, which they did [3] and they also identified the specific objects
they plan to work on.

The ensuing conversations, however, were in the OpenStreetMap Asia's
Telegram channel [4], and so they were asked to pursue the detailed
discussion in this list to make the rest of the discussions public, and
accessible to the rest of the community.

To restart the conversation, I'll respond to the query [5] made by Lavanya
regarding the Imagery Offsets plugin for JOSM.  ( If you're new with that
plugin, this short introduction [6] will help you get started. )

In a later image they posted [7] on Telegram which they described as
"conflicting" with the image label: "offset in josm for same location 3m" ,
they appear to have misinterpreted distance of the location where the
offsets adjustments were set ("296m" east of their current location) and
the actual offset distance ("3m") that has led to their conclusion that it
was "conflicting".

Back on my desk, I replicated their JOSM setup to get a clearer image, and
as seen in this screen cap [11], the record actually match with what was
found in the offset record in question [9].  Therefore, there's no actual
conflict.

The offset in question [9] was made by Rally during the course of our work
with the NCR road alignment validation with Kaart [10] that was completed
in June.

I believe the image [12] found in the quick start page for the plugin are
very helpful in describing the plugin's GUI elements.

The IODb is a great resource for JOSM and Vespucci editors, but is not yet
supported by iD. For iD users, the accepted convention is to adjust the
aerial imagery to the offsets used in the edits you find in the area. This
will make it easier for future edits to "fix" the objects, when a more
accurate imagery alignment has been made with the use of Strava or other
SatNav tracks.

/Erwin

[0]:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2018-August/006288.html
[1]: https://github.com/GRABOSM/Grab-Data/issues/19
[2]: http://offsets.textual.ru/
[3]: https://github.com/GRABOSM/Grab-Data/issues/19#issuecomment-409813382
[4]: https://t.me/joinchat/DDHaxw_VjhJAb-vITJnWRQ
[5]: https://t.me/OpenStreetMapAsia/1254
[6]:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Imagery_Offset_Database/Quick_Start
[7]: https://t.me/OpenStreetMapAsia/1259
[8]: https://t.me/OpenStreetMapAsia/1257
[9]: http://imgur.com/xjvNNDTl.png
[10]: https://github.com/KaartGroup/Philippines/issues/12
[11]: http://imgur.com/Y04krKtl.png <http://imgur.com/oVHZRiAl.png>
[12]:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Iodb-plugin-description-en.png


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[talk-ph] URGENT Disaster Mapping - Attapeue, Laos

[Erwin Olario]

URL: https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4944
Task: buildings only

Dam under construction in southwestern Laos collapsed on July 23,
displacing at least 6,000 people. This OSM mapping task is part of a World
Bank effort to provide immediate support to the local government.

FYI.

Anyone interested in a mapa-thon to work on this task?

/Erwin

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[talk-ph] e-meeting invitation. re more broader org for mapping/geo/foss/civtech

[Erwin Olario]

We'd like invite everyone who are interested in a formal organization
between a broad group of mapping/geo/foss/civtech communities in the
Philippines.

The OpenStreetMap local community (LoCo) in Metro Manila already
collaborates closely with the FOSS4G LoCo for some time now, and we have a
number of individuals who are interested in formalizing the relationship.

This proposed association is not limited to OSM, or FOSS4G, and we'd also
like to find informal communities in FOSS, CivTech, or Open Data movements
who can benefit from such a network.

The meeting hopes tackle several issues, among others:
* what are the common objectives that bind the groups/communities
* how to work together while promoting their groups' particular interests
* it is even feasible to work under the same umbrella

Of course, we're also aware of OpenStreetMap Philippines, Inc., and Eugene
recently expressed an interest for a local chapter recognition from OSMF.
Right now, I believe only formal organizations are recognized in the
process, although word from the recent SOTM say they're hoping to recognize
informal communities, soon.

Anyway, this isn't an either-or proposition. The proposed association will
advocate, support, and promote initiatives, people, and other organizations.

We're polling for the possible e-meeting schedule here [0], and I have some
notes notes here [1].

Your participation is very welcome!

/Erwin

[0]: https://framadate.org/ryX7LOECPGs1Zw2l
[1]: : https://hackmd.io/s/SJzy1oq47#
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Re: [talk-ph] Road segment alignment validation effort in Central Visayas

[Erwin Olario]

Great idea, Maning. We should do that!

Off-hand, I think one of the things I'd love to see is integration of IODb
[2] within the iD editor, to make it more convenient for casual mappers use
it. While we don't expect them to make any high-precision offsets, there
are just too many places where offsets are substantial (>10m)  that "good
enough" is still great if editors can align on intersections using both
axis.

Currently, Strava is the best third-party source for validating and
adjusting offsets of publicly available imagery. Bing is still a great
default layer, with good resolution and alignment in many areas, despite
being a bit long in the tooth.

I wish there are more orgs willing to share their telemetry data this way.
:wink:.

Cheers,
Erwin


On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 12:44 PM maning sambale 
wrote:

> Excellent work Kaart team!
>
> > We have completed the road alignment validation effort in Metro Manila
> [0]
>
>
> Curious what are your main takeaways with the state of road dat in
> Metro Manila.  Appreciate if you can summarize in the GH ticket.
>
> > and will soon tackle the same concern in Central Visayas [1], initially
> prioritizing Metro Cebu.
>
> Daghang salamat bai!
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Erwin Olario  wrote:
> > Hello everyone.
> >
> > We have completed the road alignment validation effort in Metro Manila
> [0]
> > and will soon tackle the same concern in Central Visayas [1], initially
> > prioritizing Metro Cebu.
> >
> > The offset adjustments created from the tasks are uploaded to the Imagery
> > Offsets Database [2], which we strongly encourage all JOSM users to
> utilize,
> > for consistency and convenience.
> >
> > If there are any questions, or concerns about the methodology or
> process, we
> > would love to hear from you. You may also know more about our efforts
> > elsewhere, and our team through our public wiki page [3].
> >
> > Also, public Maptime! Manila sessions [4] are now hosted by PUP San Juan
> on
> > the last Thursday of every month. We have other friends pitching in for
> > moral and logistical support. Please join us if you're by our neck of the
> > woods, and tell us about the projects you're working on, or maybe give
> us a
> > hand in the projects our volunteers are undertaking.
> >
> > If that's too far from you, check out the #geofolks from Maptime! Diliman
> > [5] who run their session on the same day.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Erwin
> >
> > [0]: https://git.io/vAW43
> > [1]: https://git.io/fNGZR
> > [2]: http://offsets.textual.ru/map
> > [3]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kaart
> > [4]: https://ti.to/mapamore
> > [5]: https://twitter.com/MaptimeDiliman
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[talk-ph] Road segment alignment validation effort in Central Visayas

[Erwin Olario]

Hello everyone.

We have completed the road alignment validation effort in Metro Manila [0]
and will soon tackle the same concern in Central Visayas [1], initially
prioritizing Metro Cebu.

The offset adjustments created from the tasks are uploaded to the Imagery
Offsets Database [2], which we strongly encourage all JOSM users to
utilize,  for consistency and convenience.

If there are any questions, or concerns about the methodology or process,
we would love to hear from you. You may also know more about our efforts
elsewhere, and our team through our public wiki page [3].

Also, public Maptime! Manila sessions [4] are now hosted by PUP San Juan on
the last Thursday of every month. We have other friends pitching in for
moral and logistical support. Please join us if you're by our neck of the
woods, and tell us about the projects you're working on, or maybe give us a
hand in the projects our volunteers are undertaking.

If that's too far from you, check out the #geofolks from Maptime! Diliman
[5] who run their session on the same day.

Cheers,
Erwin

[0]: https://git.io/vAW43
[1]: https://git.io/fNGZR
[2]: http://offsets.textual.ru/map
[3]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kaart
[4]: https://ti.to/mapamore
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[talk-ph] Sound-off if you're from Davao

[Erwin Olario]

We're planning a participatory mapping project in the poblacion district of
Davao City, and we're hoping to engage local enthusiasts in the effort,
that will include OpenStreetMap workshops, field surveys, and mapa-thons.

I don't have the details available for sharing, but I will keep the
community posted as soon as the information is ready.

If you're from Davao, please feel free to get in touch through the list, or
send me a message directly: https://t.me/GOwin

Kindly share this in your network, if you know of active and experienced
OSM contributors based in Davao.

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Re: [talk-ph] Invitation to DSWD Event: "MAPAbabae: OpenStreetMap Workshop With Women and For Women"

[Erwin Olario]

This is awesome, Arnalie!

Thank you for inviting the community. Too bad you didn't make it to ODD the
other week, we would have loved to chat with you.

/Erwin

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 12:09 PM Arnalie Faye Vicario <arnaliea...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Hello OSM Mappers!
>
> As part of the Women's Month Celebration, DSWD would like to invite OSM
> mappers/volunteers to participate in the activity:* "MAPAbabae:
> OpenStreetMap Workshop With Women and For Women" on March 22, 2018, 12NN -
> 5:30 PM at the DSWD Central Office Auditorium (4F Matapat Building)*. The
> activity aims to identify women and child-friendly spaces and facilities
> that would help in providing the DSWD services, as well as other mapping
> priorities of women.
>
> Participation is not limited to women only. This is a workshop and
> mapathon with women, and FOR women, so men are also encouraged to
> participate in the activity. However, there are only six (6) slots for OSM
> mappers/volunteers so it will be a* first come, first serve basis*.
> Please fill out this *form* to confirm your attendance.
>
>
> Thank you and hope to see you there! :)
>
>
>
> *http://maps.dswd.gov.ph *
>
> ---
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>
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[talk-ph] Proposed revisions for local road tagging

[Erwin Olario]

Hi folks.  @TagaSanPedroAko opened a PaperCutFix ticket [0] and proposing
some changes to the local road mapping conventions.

I have had a few changes [1] I want to propose myself. Let's take this
opportunity to review, and revise, if necessary, our road tagging
conventions, to help make a better map of the Philippines.

Let's continue the discussion here, or in the GitHub ticket.

[0]: https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/38
[1]:
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[talk-ph] Kaart PH data improvement efforts - road alignment in Metro Manila

[Erwin Olario]

Hi everyone.

We are pleased to inform the community about the progress of the missing
roads tasks that Kaart has initiated in the Philippines [0]. Thanks to
mappers (here and abroad) who've contributed their time and effort, we have
completed the missing roads tasks [1] for the following areas:
- Metro Manila (with validation)
- Batangas
- Bulacan
- Pampang
- Pangasinan
- Quezon
- Rizal

While we still have available tasks for the following provinces:
- Cavite
- Laguna

We plan to attend to other provinces as well,  as soon as we complete our
priorities. If you wish to have your home province task made available
sooner, please ping me.

Our next [2] priority is addressing the road alignment issues we've
identified for Metro Manila. Based on Kaart GIS analysis, some of our road
segments has positional errors (~3-17m) when compared to existing track
logs (OpenStreetMap and Strava).

We propose to adopt following alignment strategy :

1.  Where available, use Bing as baseline, but verify its accuracy by
comparing with SatNav (OSM track logs, Strava heatmaps) data. Same applies
for any other available aerial imagery (e.g. Mapbox. Digital Globe
Standard, Digital Globe Premium, ESRI World Clarity, ESRI World Imagery).
   2. Publish offsets to the Imagery Offsets Database (IODb)
<http://offsets.textual.ru/map>. Deprecate IODb entries, when necessary.
   3. For grid networks, attempt to offset data to match imagery. If not
successful or practical, retrace the area.
   4. Realign all other roads, correct topology errors, and mark task as
complete.
   5. Pass 2. Validation.

Realignment and imagery offset is not a task for beginners, so we've
temporarily set the task to private. Collaborators using JOSM are welcome
to help out, when the task is made ready for dissemination.

Additional details are posted in our task ticket [2]. If you want to access
the project task, let me know what your OSM username is, so I can add you,
too.

We are keen to hear the community's feedback, or suggestions.

/Erwin

[0]: https://github.com/mapamore/kaart-ph/issues
[1]:
https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL=Kaart=missing
[2]:
https://github.com/mapamore/kaart-ph/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93=label%3Apriority+
[3]: https://github.com/mapamore/kaart-ph/issues/12

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[talk-ph] Building Footprints Mapping by UP-NOAH

[Erwin Olario]

I noticed recent edits [0] made by a contributor pointing to a Tasking
Manager project [1] campaign by UP NOAH. Project is set to private, and
public contributors cannot participate.

The project instructions are vaguely recommending tags that may lead to
improper tagging.

Currently their project has the instruction to  their contributors:
```
Map all buildings and tag its specific building type:
building=yes for generic buildings
building=commercial for commercial buildings
building=retail for buildings that sell products and services
building=house for residential units
building=residential for multi-storey residential units
building=school for units used for educational institutions
building=church for places of worship
building=industrial for industrial buildings

If you know more information about a certain building, please add important
details such as:

address (addr:street=Rizal) (addr:province=Cavite) and
number of floors (building:levels=3).
If the building is an evacuation shelter, add the tag evacuation_center=yes.
These tags are needed to be added in the critical infrastructures for an
effective disaster operations and infrastructure assessment.

Do not delete any existing data because it is possible that they have used
latest imagery than what we are using.
```

Below are my notes, and some recommendations:


   - `building=commercial` is used often by mappers when they actually
   refer to `building=retail`. Recommendation: Improve instruction by by
   providing real-life examples
   - `building=house` is applicable for multi-storey buildings for a
   **single** household. Revise the instruction.
   - `building=residential` is a general purpose tag for residential
   buildings.  Do not describe this tag for use with "multi-storey residential
   units" as they may be correctly applied for single-level units, as well.
   Also, multi-storey qualification is determined by `building:levels` tag
   - number of floors, as understood in the Philippines is not the
   equivalent value for `building:levels`.  A five-storey building , as
   understood in PH, would be tagged as `building:levels=4`, and a
   `building:levels=1` means a 2-storey building.
   - clarify  that`building=school `are only for institutions offering
   **basic education**. Schools, colleges, universities are properly tagged by
   their `amenity=*` tags. Other establishments offering other forms of
   instruction may use `office=educational_institution`
   - clarify that places of worship tagged as `amenity=place_of_worship` is
   not always necessary done in `building=church`. it could be also in a
   building=chapel. It may not even occupy the whole building.  An object
   tagged as `building=cathedral` + `amenity=bar` are valid tags for a
   re-purposed building, now serving as a bar -- and I doubt any form of
   worship happens there.
   - The proper  tags for evacuation shelters are `social_facility=shelter`
   + `social_facility:for=displaced`. The use of `evacuation_center=yes` is
   meant to be secondary tags for ad hoc or temporary shelters.
   - The instruction about "not deleting" data is not necessary, if the the
   contributors are taught how to switch imageries (including how to adjust
   offsets). If updated imagery shows the objects to be absent, then deleting
   them should be alright.
   - Recommend the use of `addr=*` and `addr:place` where street names are
   absent, instead of using them like `addr:street=  Blk 23 - Suha, Taytay,
   Rizal`.


I hope this helps the project managers, and we could be more consistent
with our tagging and training efforts. This only came across me since we're
also working in the same area in our data improvement efforts [2].

[0]:
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[1]: https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4108
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[talk-ph] Proposal to update bottled/mineral/purfied water shops

[Erwin Olario]

I filed a ticket [0] in the Papercut-Fix repository, proposing for the
updating of tags of the affected objects.

Most of these Bottled/Mineral/Purified water shops are currently tagged
incorrectly as `amenity=drinking_water` or `shop=beverages`. These objects
will be retrieved via Overpass Turbo, and reviewed individually, and
replaced with shop=water
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dwater>, as appropriate.

Kindly let me know if there are concerns, or objections to this.

/Erwin

[0]: https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/37
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Re: [talk-ph] Open Data Day 2018

[Erwin Olario]

Thank you for sharing, Eugene.

The venue is PUP San Juan Campus: https://osm.org/go/4zhSCc4Rs--?m=

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 9:15 AM Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> You are invited to celebrate the international Open Data Day 2018 on March
> 3, Saturday! We will have an afternoon event in San Juan, Metro Manila
> (venue TBA) and this is organized by Erwin as part of his MapAm❤re
> Initiative.
>
> Registration is free. Just head over here to get your free ticket:
> https://ti.to/mapamore/odd2018
>
> See you all!
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Mayon Volcano Eruption Jan 2018

[Erwin Olario]

Alert Level 4 (hazardous eruption imminent) is in effect over Mayon volcano

Mapping the Permanent Danger Zone is already complete, and validated. There
is another  on-going effort to update and map the surrounding Extended
Danger Zone [1] , which now stands at 52% complete.

Again, the new task URL is https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4037

/Erwin

[0]:
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[1]: https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4037

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 11:56 AM maning sambale <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Mayon Volcano in the Philippines erupted this week.  Local community
> is mapping from pre-event imagery.
> This is not yet a full HOT Activation.  We are still assessing the
> needs of responders, but if anyone has spare time,
> we have a task [0] ready for the permanent danger zone.  This mapping
> is focused on mapping infrastructure (roads and buildings) and
> waterways.
>
> [0] https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4027
>
> --
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Re: [talk-ph] intro to Kaart initiative in PH

[Erwin Olario]

Glen, thank you for sharing.

Road surface types, and lanes, is one of the attributes we hope to collect
and add into the the OSM database. The challenge of "how" to collect these,
is another matter altogether. We have limited street-level imagery (and
that's one way of doing that), and in many urban areas, users can use
aerial imagery to distinguish paved and unpaved roads.

/Erwin



On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 7:13 PM Glen Scott <pave...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nothing to offer by my own personal experiences
>
> I'm a regular user of GPS for navigation at home (Australia) in urban and
> country environments.  I've noted in OSM (Philippines - specifically N-W
> Pangasinan) two things that are undefined in 99% of roads, but used by the
> routing engine - road surface and speed limit. With 99% of roads undefined
> for surface and speed limit the route chosen by the GPS will be a lottery
> as far as driving experience goes.  I guess the most critical would be the
> ability to chose to avoid unpaved roads?  I've had a number of Garmin GPSs
> and they always assume 80 km/h where the map has no defined limit.  Maybe
> 10+ years ago I had some experiences where the GPS would attempt to take me
> on "short-cuts" over long-unused dirt tracks (in preference to the
> highway!).  I guess this is the potential result of not defining the
> surface at the very least.  Hard to tell the speed limit from satellite
> imagery!
>
> In the urban environment the most common and frustrating errors (Garmin
> maps) would be undefined one-way streets.
>
> My one attempt to navigate in the Philippines on OSM (~2008-2009) led me
> into a military camp and some interested military personnel who directed me
> back out the way I came in!  Gates are important but no always so easy to
> see from space
>
> Cheers
> Glen
>
> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:40 PM, Erwin Olario <gov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Thank you for bringing this up, Maning. This is also a concern I've
>> discussed with other mappers in the past, and this doesn't just apply to
>> road navigation, but with other features, as well.
>>
>> The Mapbox data team is a pioneer in this road network initiatives in
>> OSM, and we look up to your team for inspiration. 
>>
>> Our current (in the next few months) interest in PH road network
>> improvement are low-hanging fruits (missing geometries, restrictions,
>> turning lanes, etc), but in due time, we'd like to explore how to further
>> improve road network data from OSM for naviation, etc. PH is only one of
>> the many countries we're working in, so we need a more inclusive
>> understanding of tagging nuances, too.
>>
>> I hope such a discussion can  attract more inputs from the wider
>> community, especially those who've been lurking in the background, who
>> follows the exchanges here, but for reasons known only to them, doesn't
>> engage publicly.
>>
>> /Erwin
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 8:35 PM maning sambale <
>> emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Erwin,
>>>
>>> Thanks for leading this work.  As many of you know, I work in Mapbox
>>> and my primary focus is to make OSM navigable.
>>> I wonder what would be the best approach in the context of driving in
>>> the Philippines.
>>> Would love to share notes and approaches.  One thing I have in mind (I
>>> shared this during the meetup), while every country
>>> has specific nuances tagging, there is a danger of making the tags too
>>> specific as its difficult to create routing engines for each country.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 11:58 AM, Erwin Olario <gov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Happy new year everyone.
>>> >
>>> > In case some of you are wondering about some of my recent changeset
>>> comments
>>> > with the phrase,  "Better PH data with #Kaart", I've recently linked
>>> up with
>>> > Kaart [0], and their initiative to improve OSM data in the Philippines.
>>> >
>>> > One of the things we'd like to tackle is road network improvement,
>>> initially
>>> > in Metro Manila, and later (maybe soon?), expanding to other regions.
>>> >
>>> > Improvements that are intended to be addressed include the following:
>>> > * Adding missing roads
>>> > * Improving road attributes (names, lanes, restrictions, etc.)
>>> > * Correcting road connectivity issues
>>> > * Improving road classification consistency according to OSM
>>> guidelines and
>>> > local con

Re: [talk-ph] intro to Kaart initiative in PH

[Erwin Olario]

Thank you for bringing this up, Maning. This is also a concern I've
discussed with other mappers in the past, and this doesn't just apply to
road navigation, but with other features, as well.

The Mapbox data team is a pioneer in this road network initiatives in OSM,
and we look up to your team for inspiration. 

Our current (in the next few months) interest in PH road network
improvement are low-hanging fruits (missing geometries, restrictions,
turning lanes, etc), but in due time, we'd like to explore how to further
improve road network data from OSM for naviation, etc. PH is only one of
the many countries we're working in, so we need a more inclusive
understanding of tagging nuances, too.

I hope such a discussion can  attract more inputs from the wider community,
especially those who've been lurking in the background, who follows the
exchanges here, but for reasons known only to them, doesn't engage publicly.

/Erwin

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 8:35 PM maning sambale <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Erwin,
>
> Thanks for leading this work.  As many of you know, I work in Mapbox
> and my primary focus is to make OSM navigable.
> I wonder what would be the best approach in the context of driving in
> the Philippines.
> Would love to share notes and approaches.  One thing I have in mind (I
> shared this during the meetup), while every country
> has specific nuances tagging, there is a danger of making the tags too
> specific as its difficult to create routing engines for each country.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 11:58 AM, Erwin Olario <gov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Happy new year everyone.
> >
> > In case some of you are wondering about some of my recent changeset
> comments
> > with the phrase,  "Better PH data with #Kaart", I've recently linked up
> with
> > Kaart [0], and their initiative to improve OSM data in the Philippines.
> >
> > One of the things we'd like to tackle is road network improvement,
> initially
> > in Metro Manila, and later (maybe soon?), expanding to other regions.
> >
> > Improvements that are intended to be addressed include the following:
> > * Adding missing roads
> > * Improving road attributes (names, lanes, restrictions, etc.)
> > * Correcting road connectivity issues
> > * Improving road classification consistency according to OSM guidelines
> and
> > local convention
> > * Correcting road alignment issues
> > * Other one-off fixes
> >
> > Of course, we intend to work closely with the community, and other
> > stakeholders, especially at the local level.
> >
> > We also hope to organize, or lead, activities for developing technical
> > skills, and enhancing collaboration, and community mapa-thons.  Think of
> > this as an extension of my earlier MapAmore [1] initiatives.
> >
> > The tasking for Metro Manila [2] is now up, and is hosted by HOT Tasking
> > Manager instance, and open to all interested contributors.
> >
> > In tomorrow's meet-up, I'll take the opportunity to elaborate on this
> > initiative tomorrow. I'm looking forward to hear your feedback, and to
> > answer any questions here, or directly by email.
> >
> > I also hope for your usual helpful collaboration, and support.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Erwin
> >
> >
> > [0]: http://kaartgroup.com/
> > [1]: https://github.com/mapamore
> > [2]: https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/3997
> >
> >
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Re: [talk-ph] Finding more missing roads - would you like one for your home province?

[Erwin Olario]

@maning
All I can say is that it's a result of GIS analysis of aerial imagery, the
feedback loop, and OSM data. And, we only suggest an area to look into,
where roads are highly likely to be missing.

@JP
Are you planning to run a survey? Do you Mapillary, or something else?
Which area are you interested in?

These days, we have several imagery options we can checkout for verifying
these missing highways. There's also street level imagery, and GPS traces.



On Mon, Jan 15, 2018, 23:16 JP Loh <j.peter...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I see some areas I can do over the weekends on my bike but some of them
> are in gated neighborhoods. How do volunteers go about it?
>
> I saw one in a private compound, too (factory grounds).
>
> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Erwin Olario <gov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi everyone!
>>
>> Last week, I shared a tasking project [0] to update missing roads for
>> Metro Manila.  I've just published several new tasking projects for
>> provinces adjacent to the capital region:
>>
>> - Rizal https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4012
>> - Bulacan https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4017
>> - Cavite https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4016
>> - Laguna https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4015
>> - Pampanga https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4018
>> - Batangas https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4014
>> - Quezon https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4013
>>
>> The data is not perfect, and you might even encounter false positives,
>> but it's pretty good with catching a good number of missing roads in
>> essential areas that local mappers have yet to digitize.
>>
>> If you're keen on improving the map of your community, or home province,
>> and they're not on this list yet, please do not hesitate to let me know so
>> I can put them up sooner rather than later, and we can work together in
>> filling-in gaps in your favorite neighborhoods.
>>
>> I'm also planning to organize a mapa-thon soon, primarily to work on
>> these tasks, and maybe attract more new mappers. Would you folks have any
>> suggestions, or interested in collaborating? Just send me a ping.
>>
>> Do email me for any concern, or other questions, about these tasks.
>>
>> /Erwin
>>
>> [0]: https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/3997
>>
>>
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>>
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[talk-ph] Finding more missing roads - would you like one for your home province?

[Erwin Olario]

Hi everyone!

Last week, I shared a tasking project [0] to update missing roads for Metro
Manila.  I've just published several new tasking projects for provinces
adjacent to the capital region:

- Rizal https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4012
- Bulacan https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4017
- Cavite https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4016
- Laguna https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4015
- Pampanga https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4018
- Batangas https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4014
- Quezon https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4013

The data is not perfect, and you might even encounter false positives, but
it's pretty good with catching a good number of missing roads in essential
areas that local mappers have yet to digitize.

If you're keen on improving the map of your community, or home province,
and they're not on this list yet, please do not hesitate to let me know so
I can put them up sooner rather than later, and we can work together in
filling-in gaps in your favorite neighborhoods.

I'm also planning to organize a mapa-thon soon, primarily to work on these
tasks, and maybe attract more new mappers. Would you folks have any
suggestions, or interested in collaborating? Just send me a ping.

Do email me for any concern, or other questions, about these tasks.

/Erwin

[0]: https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/3997


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[talk-ph] intro to Kaart initiative in PH

[Erwin Olario]

Happy new year everyone.

In case some of you are wondering about some of my recent changeset
comments with the phrase,  "Better PH data with #Kaart", I've recently
linked up with Kaart [0], and their initiative to improve OSM data in the
Philippines.

One of the things we'd like to tackle is road network improvement,
initially in Metro Manila, and later (maybe soon?), expanding to other
regions.

Improvements that are intended to be addressed include the following:
* Adding missing roads
* Improving road attributes (names, lanes, restrictions, etc.)
* Correcting road connectivity issues
* Improving road classification consistency according to OSM guidelines and
local convention
* Correcting road alignment issues
* Other one-off fixes

Of course, we intend to work closely with the community, and other
stakeholders, especially at the local level.

We also hope to organize, or lead, activities for developing technical
skills, and enhancing collaboration, and community mapa-thons.  Think of
this as an extension of my earlier MapAmore [1] initiatives.

The tasking for Metro Manila [2] is now up, and is hosted by HOT Tasking
Manager instance, and open to all interested contributors.

In tomorrow's meet-up, I'll take the opportunity to elaborate on this
initiative tomorrow. I'm looking forward to hear your feedback, and to
answer any questions here, or directly by email.

I also hope for your usual helpful collaboration, and support.

Kind regards,
Erwin


[0]: http://kaartgroup.com/
[1]: https://github.com/mapamore
[2]: https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/3997


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Re: [talk-ph] NCR meet-up/get together?

[Erwin Olario]

We're pushing through with the casual meet-up proposed by Maning. Clear
your calendars this Friday, 12th January, 5pm onwards and see you at
Raggatori [0] - Cubao Expo, Gen. Romulo Street, Cubao, Quezon City.

Everyone is welcome, and new contributors are especially encouraged to
join. This is not a workshop, and, although we're likely to just chat about
mapping, technology, and whatsoever, there is no specific agenda in mind
other than an informal get-together. You are welcome to share about your
interests/initiatives/projects, that might be interesting for the community.

If you get lost, you can call/message me on Telegram.

[0]: https://osm.org/go/4zhSZ9tcZ?layers=N==5172981227
[1]: https://t.me/GOwin

/Erwin

On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 8:27 AM Erwin Olario <gov...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Maning proposed for an informal get together soon [0]. Would you folks be
> interested in joining ?
>
> [0]: https://osmph-chat.herokuapp.com/
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[talk-ph] NCR meet-up/get together?

[Erwin Olario]

Maning proposed for an informal get together soon [0]. Would you folks be
interested in joining ?

[0]: https://osmph-chat.herokuapp.com/
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Re: [talk-ph] OSM contributions - some basics for a newby

[Erwin Olario]

I wouldn't recommend contacting anyone directly as it might be considered
an imposition, but there are many ways public channels to try getting in
touch with fellow mappers, and where others can pitch in to respond:

   - the official mailing list (this one) - talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
   - if you're on FB, check out: fb.com/OSMph/group
   - OSMph has a Slack channel - https://osmph-chat.herokuapp.com/
   - and then, there's the international forum at
   https://forum.openstreetmap.org
   - discussions can also happen at the changeset level.

/Erwin

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 12:36 PM Glen Scott <pave...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Erwin, all noted.
>
> I'm sure I'll have further questions on conventions or even basic editing
> queries - is it best to ask here or via personal email, and if the latter,
> who should I ask?
>
> I've seen the PH conventions page, and finding it useful (e.g. tagging
> fish farm pond "water") but one example where I'm not 100% clear would be
> the pond dividers, where I see there are a few techniques in use, well at
> least two (a) leaving some land between the ponds, and (b) making one large
> pond and dividing it with lines tagged as embankments.  I see both in use;
> my attempts so far have been to leave strips of land, though the embankment
> line approach would be quicker.
>
> Cheers
>
> Glen
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Erwin Olario <gov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Glen. Thank you for your edits. We're happy to have you.
>>
>> Google's StreetView, unfortunately, shares a similar restriction to its
>> Map service, and also not a valid source of information. I recently [0] had
>> to redact data that was added from the map, that used this source for their
>> edits.
>>
>> MapCentral, and any other copyright restricted sources, cannot also be
>> used. Either you collection this information yourself (an excellent
>> opportunity to stretch the legs, and get to know the neighborhood better),
>> or convince the data owners to re-publish this data on OSM.
>>
>> In lieu of StreetView, you might like to try out Mapillary[1] or
>> OpenStreetCam [2] to capture street-level imagery yourself.
>>
>> /Erwin
>>
>> [0]: https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/35
>> [1]:
>> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?focus=map=15.91667=120.3=10
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapillary>
>> [2]: http://openstreetcam.org/map/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 10:42 AM Glen Scott <pave...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm making some contributions to NW Pangasinan (I'm from Australia, my
>>> wife is from Alaminos) and would like to discuss some "rules" and seek some
>>> advice...
>>>
>>> I think I may have already broken one rule re road tagging, but not
>>> using the tag "service road" since that has a different use here.  But
>>> having found the Philippines conventions page I promise to fix those
>>> indiscretions in time...
>>>
>>> One question is around legitimate information sources - I understand
>>> Google Maps can't be used - but can street view be used (great for seeing
>>> the name of auditoriums etc.)?
>>>
>>> Can Mapcentral be used for Barangay names and borders or is there a
>>> better source?  I see the Mapcentral borders differ considerably to the
>>> Google Maps borders.
>>>
>>> I've sent one email to Alaminos City town hall re street names - no
>>> response to date but will give them a call of I don't hear from them over
>>> the next week.  Any other sources of street names?  Post office?  I'll be
>>> there next March and can always ask people on the street, though some of
>>> the streets in new sub-divisions don't appear to have houses yet
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
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[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] finding overlapping buildings

[Erwin Olario]

This could be useful for the Project NOAH cleanup task[0].

How's that going, anyway? Maning?

/Erwin

[0]: https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/13

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Date: Wed, Nov 29, 2017, 04:13
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] finding overlapping buildings
To: john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
Cc: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list <t...@openstreetmap.org>


John, Pierre,

I made some improvements to the select duplicate buildings script. It now
uses a spatial index, which makes it a lot faster on large datasets. It
also now uses the actual area of the buildings and their intersection, as
opposed to their bounding boxes. I will work on your other requests, but
may not have a lot of time for the next few weeks.

Mike

https://github.com/MikeTho16/JOSM-Scripts

Select Duplicate Buildings
Selects duplicate, or near duplicate, area buildings in JOSM's active
datalayer.
A "near duplicate" is a building whose area overlaps another building's
area by more than 50%. Only the first building encountered of an
overlapping pair is selected. This is done so the issue does not have to be
looked at twice. The selected buildings are added to the current
selection.
Currently only works with buildings that are ways (not multipolygons).

To Run:
* Install JOSM's Scripting Plugin (only necessary once)
* Place file in a convenient location on your system (only necessary once)
* Click "Scripting" (on top menu bar)
* Click "Run"
* Click "..." button and select the script file.
* Click "Run"


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Re: [talk-ph] OSM contributions - some basics for a newby

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Hi Glen. Thank you for your edits. We're happy to have you.

Google's StreetView, unfortunately, shares a similar restriction to its Map
service, and also not a valid source of information. I recently [0] had to
redact data that was added from the map, that used this source for their
edits.

MapCentral, and any other copyright restricted sources, cannot also be
used. Either you collection this information yourself (an excellent
opportunity to stretch the legs, and get to know the neighborhood better),
or convince the data owners to re-publish this data on OSM.

In lieu of StreetView, you might like to try out Mapillary[1] or
OpenStreetCam [2] to capture street-level imagery yourself.

/Erwin

[0]: https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/35
[1]:
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?focus=map=15.91667=120.3=10
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapillary>
[2]: http://openstreetcam.org/map/




On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 10:42 AM Glen Scott <pave...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm making some contributions to NW Pangasinan (I'm from Australia, my
> wife is from Alaminos) and would like to discuss some "rules" and seek some
> advice...
>
> I think I may have already broken one rule re road tagging, but not using
> the tag "service road" since that has a different use here.  But having
> found the Philippines conventions page I promise to fix those indiscretions
> in time...
>
> One question is around legitimate information sources - I understand
> Google Maps can't be used - but can street view be used (great for seeing
> the name of auditoriums etc.)?
>
> Can Mapcentral be used for Barangay names and borders or is there a better
> source?  I see the Mapcentral borders differ considerably to the Google
> Maps borders.
>
> I've sent one email to Alaminos City town hall re street names - no
> response to date but will give them a call of I don't hear from them over
> the next week.  Any other sources of street names?  Post office?  I'll be
> there next March and can always ask people on the street, though some of
> the streets in new sub-divisions don't appear to have houses yet
>
> Regards
>
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[talk-ph] spare us a few minutes for (a little more) mapping

[Erwin Olario]

Hi folks.

After our little geoweek celebration [0] last week, I was approached by an
enthusiastic participant who expressed a sincere interest to map their
hometown.

To start them off, I made a low-priority task in a Tasking Manager [1] ,
where feedback can be made about their edits, and the particular job. The
plan is eventually to cover more ground, but for now, the task scope is
limited to the town center.

With very limited time for interaction, I can only introduce the rudiments
of iD editing.  I pointed out the available resources online for self-paced
learning, and the various channels they could use to reach out to fellow
mappers, - but also made sure that they could still reach out to me
personally.

My intention in this outreach, is to mentor them remotely, but made the
caveat that they can not expect me to spoon-feed them.

Show some <3, and polish off a grid, or two, or leave feedback about the
edits. They're pretty small, and it would be encouraging for them to know
that there's actually a  supportive community behind their effort.

Thanks!

/Erwin

P.S.
This isn't a "directed editing" effort. ;)

[0]: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/GOwin/diary/42807
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[talk-ph] Planned revert - harmful edits by ErnieSarayno

[Erwin Olario]

Hello. I filed a ticket [0] about the belated discovery of the harmful
edits made by user ErnieSarayno [1] in the Southern Mindanao area.

Details are available in the ticket, but as far as the changsets I've
reviewed are concerned, they will have to be reverted.

Attempts has been made to contact them, and comments made on some of the
relevant changesets. If no action, or response is received from them, and
if there are no objections here, complete revert is planned for 17th
November.

I also contacted DWG about the revert plans.

/GOwin

[0]: https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/31
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[talk-ph] Mapping with friends is more fun with awesome PH-izzas!

[Erwin Olario]

The local OSM advocates in the Philippines is keen in finding ways to
engage, and expand the community of OpenStreetMap contributors in the
country. As you may7 know, many mapa-thons and hacking events are fueled by
passion, and pizza. You can help drive the passion, and we canl take care
of the pizza.

We just launched a new program: *the OSM PH-izza Challenge* that offers to
send free ph-izza for mapa-thon events in every possible part of the
country - especially those outside Metro Manila. If your mapa-thon proposal
is selected, the PH-izza is on us!

We're hoping to select at least one event every month - and we'd like to
hear your proposal!

If your club, or informal group would like to send your proposals, please
fill-in this application form so we can evaluate your them:
https://goo.gl/forms/si06mto1fOkeY3652

/Erwin


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[talk-ph] Kadayawan Mapa-thon, Davao City

[Erwin Olario]

Hi list. We're running a mapa-thon on 16th August, coinciding with the
Kadayawan festival in Davao. OpenStreetMap is also celebrating it's 13th
anniversary, so we're going to celebrate that, too.

Check out our event page for details and RSVP: https://
ti.to/mapamore/kadayawan2017

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Re: [talk-ph] GLONASS

[Erwin Olario]

And in addition to what Eugene said, GLONASS is required for all phones
sold within the Russian federation.

Some China-made phones now support China's SatNav system,  Beidou, in
addition to GPS and GLONASS

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 14:53 Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> GPS is the American system while GLONASS is the Russian system. Also,
> Galileo is the EU system.
>
> GLONASS and Galileo were developed so that Russia and the EU do not have
> to depend on the American system. GPS, after all, is a technology developed
> originally for military purposes.
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Jim Morgan <j...@datalude.com> wrote:
>
>> Just saw a phone advertised with GPS and A-GLONASS, so I looked it up.
>>
>> I know the current GPS system is old and up for retirement at some point.
>> Maybe this is the replacement?
>>
>> https://beebom.com/what-is-glonass-and-how-it-is-different-from-gps/
>>
>> Oh, apparently iPhones already use as a GPS+GLONASS combination. Never
>> knew ...
>>
>> Jim
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[talk-ph] Fwd: Dumudulog ng Suporta Para sa PH Software Freedom Day 2017

[Erwin Olario]

Pag-anyaya para sa darating na Software Freedom Day 2017, mula sa SFDph.

Kung interesado kayo makipag-tulungan, gawing makipa-ugnayan ng direkta kay
G. Mac Yanto.

/Erwin

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Date: Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 7:43 PM
Subject: Dumudulog ng Suporta Para sa PH Software Freedom Day 2017

Dear G. Erwin Olario at OSM Philippines,

Mainit na pagbati mula sa Software Freedom Network at sa Computer
Professionals' Union o CPU!

Malugod po namin kayong inaanyaya, kasama ng inyong organisasyong Open
Street Map Philippines, na maging *community partner *sa nalalapit na
selebrasyon ng Software Freedom Day sa darating na September 16, 2017.

Bilang *community partner, *maaring po kayong magturo ng paksa hinggil sa
OSM, o kaya ay magbahagi ng inyong kwento bilang isang *open source
community group*, o kaya ay maging isang *community sponsor.*

Sa kasalukuyan ay nasa 3 eskwelahan ang inaasahang mag-*host* ng SFD
(PUP-Taguig, EARIST at LPU), na may katumbas na tinatayang 2,000 attendees
sa pangkalahatan. Kaya't dumudulog kami sa mga katulad ninyo sa *open
source community* upang tulungan kaming maipahatid ang mensahe ng Free Open
Source Software sa paparaming bilang ng mga kabataan at estudyante.

Kakalakip po ng mensaheng ito ang pormal na imbitasyon na nagdedetalye kung
papaano po tayo pwedeng magtulungan para maging makabuluhan ang darating na
selebrasyon ng SFD.

Huwag pong mag-atubiling kumontak sa amin kung mayroon po kayong katanungan
o nais ilinaw. Inaasahan po namin ang inyong suporta at pagtugon.


Para sa SFN at CPU,

Mac Yanto
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Re: [talk-ph] Geo mystery: What is this weird northeast line running from San Juan to Montalban?

[Erwin Olario]

I'm glad you made it to the mapa-thon [0], Eugene.

Over the weekend, in San Juan, we had another mapa-thon and one of the
things we did different were "Blitz Decks" (a.k.a. lightning talks) during
the break. Many thanks to Rally and Dianne, for their decks about mapping
addresses and UP Noah (aka Project Noah), respectively. Mine was called
"Hail Hydra(nt)!"

I thoroughly enjoyed the after hours conversation that was triggered by the
Blitz Deck. I'd like to see more varied topics for in future mapa-thons!

/Erwin

[0]: https://goo.gl/TRhKRi



On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 10:48 PM Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm resurrecting this old thread[0] because we've been discussing Metro
> Manila's water system as part of the fire hydrant mapping exercise during
> the mapathon earlier.[1] It turns out that before we have the current San
> Juan Reservoir,[2] there was an older Spanish-era reservoir named El
> Deposito located in what is now the Pinaglabanan Shrine in San Juan. This
> is apparently where the long straight pipeline from Montalban terminated.
> You can read a bit of the history of El Deposito on Wikipedia[3] and on the
> historical marker installed by the National Historical Commission of the
> Philippines.[4] The El Deposito is also roughly in the middle of the
> straight line connecting the Santolan Waterworks in Pasig and Intramuros.
>
> You can now see these two lines, one Spanish-era, and the other
> American-era, on a map created by Erwin.[5] As you can see, these two lines
> converge at El Deposito!
>
> This is really fascinating!
>
> [0] Archives start here:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2011-April/003152.html
> [1]
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2017-June/006115.html
> [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/108541188
> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Deposito
> [4]
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:El_Deposito_NHCP_historical_marker.jpg
> [5] http://u.osmfr.org/m/151838/
>
> ~Eugene
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> More research confirming the water pipeline theory:
>>
>> -
>>
>> 1) http://www.lawphil.net/judjuris/juri2000/jun2000/gr_109111_2000.html
>>
>> Quote: "Long before World War II, MWSS buried a 42-inch diameter steel
>> aqueduct pipeline under the subject parcels of land. The pipeline drew
>> water from the Wawa Dam in Montalban, Rizal to the Balara Filters in
>> Quezon City. Fifteen (15) kilometers long, it ran through the
>> municipalities of Montalban, San Mateo and Marikina."
>>
>> The MWSS property in Balara <http://osm.org/go/4zhTl11z?m> does indeed
>> lie close to the "line".
>>
>> -
>>
>> 2) http://inquiry.theguidon.com/2009/08/service-for-the-settlers/
>>
>> Quote: "Daan Tubo and Ronas Garden are owned by Manila Water Services
>> and Meralco, respectively."
>>
>> Daan Tubo in this case is the informal settler area along Katipunan
>> beside UP Diliman <http://osm.org/go/4zhTkJ36H-->.
>>
>> -
>>
>> Mystery closed?
>>
>> I must say that I find it amazing that this unused pipeline still
>> shows it's presence even to this day in the form of roads, barangay
>> boundaries, and informal settlers. :-D
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:36 PM, maning sambale
>> <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > This would be my guess as well.
>> > On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> 2) This is a water pipeline.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > cheers,
>> > maning
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>> > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
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[talk-ph] Davao City mappers

[Erwin Olario]

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[talk-ph] City Mapa-thon

[Erwin Olario]

We'd like to invite the community to another city mapa-thon for San Juan
next Saturday, 10th June: Let's map (San) Juan more time!

A mapa-thon is a participatory mapping activity that brings together
community members, volunteers, enthusiasts, and people who'd like to do or
learn how they can make better maps of their neighborhood. No prior
experience is required!

Details and RSVP: https://ti.to/mapamore/juan-more-time

If you want to learn about what came about our last mapa-thon, you may read
about the blog post[0]. Feel free to forward and share this with your
network and friends.

Kind regards,
Erwin Olario
MapAm❤re Initiative

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[talk-ph] Road Safety Idea Hack 2017

[Erwin Olario]

Hello everyone.

The Philippine Department of Transportation (DoTr) is running an "idea
hack" event on 13th March, and everyone is invited to participate.

The event is open to the public. Please see the Eventbrite [0] page for
details.

[0]:
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/road-safety-idea-hack-2017-tickets-3211581
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Re: [talk-ph] October ADB mapathon survey

[Erwin Olario]

I'm good on either dates, for now, at least.

On Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 00:40 Eugene Alvin Villar  wrote:

> Hi all. As you may know, OSMPH is currently collaborating with ADB for
> their RETA 8884 project that uses OSM as a platform for disaster resilience
> mapping: http://www.adb.org/projects/48333-001/main
>
> ADB wants the community to organize a whole-day mapathon to update the
> base map of Padre Burgos, Quezon and Santa Josefa, Agusan del Sur. ADB will
> provide the venue (at ADB HQ in Ortigas Center), electricity, Internet
> access, snacks, and lunch.
>
> The first decision that needs to be made is the date of the event. When
> are you guys available to attend this mapathon if you are interested: on
> October 8 or October 15 (both are Saturdays)?
>
> For those on Facebook, I have put up a poll:
> https://web.facebook.com/groups/osmph/permalink/330148820655836/
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Quezon City mapping: districts

[Erwin Olario]

@Eugene
That was too long ago.

Anyway, check out Quezon City's Risk Atlas for interesting geospatial data:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwSM5MRaKxejOG05N0lUUHdXdEk/view


On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 7:21 AM Eugene Alvin Villar  wrote:

> Manila's administrative and legislative districts boundaries were mapped
> because the data or information about them is available.
>
> Manila's administrative districts are defined by law in R.A. 409, which is
> the Revised Charter of the City of Manila. For example, here's the
> description of the boundary of the district of Quiapo:
>
> Beginning at the intersection of the center lines of Calle Azcarraga and
>> Estero de Quiapo; thence along the center lines of Calle Azcarraga, Legarda
>> and E. Mendiola, Estero de San Miguel, the Pasig River, Puente Colgante,
>> Calles Norzagaray and Regidor, and Estero de Quiapo, to the point of
>> beginning.
>>
>
> It's then just a simple matter of determining which modern streets
> correspond to which old street name (Calle Azcarraga is C.M. Recto Avenue,
> while Puente Colgante is now Quezon Bridge, etc.)
>
> Manila's legislative districts are defined in the Ordinance section of the
> 1987 Philippine Constitution. For example, here's the description of the
> boundary of the 5th district:
>
> Barangays Nos. 649-828 N - Mouth of Pasig River inland to point Paz M.
>> Guanzon Street extending to Estero de Pandacan; NE - Estero de Pandacan up
>> to Pedro Gil Street to Tejeron Street up to boundary of Manila and Makati;
>> SE - City boundary between Manila and Makati up to Estero de Tripa de
>> Gallina; S - City boundary between Pasay and Manila down to Roxas Boulevard
>> up to edge of reclaimed areas westward to Manila Bay; W - Manila Bay up to
>> mouth of Pasig River.
>>
>
> ~Eugene
>
>
>
>> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Jherome Miguel 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As a side note, Manila's districts are not obviously marked (possibly
>>> the same as the case of Quezzn City), but official boundaries assigned by
>>> the City of Manila has been mapped (the districts of Manila are officially
>>> designated). Possibly those district boundaries are mapped based on
>>> physical features and place addresses.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Jherome Miguel >> > wrote:
>>>
 I created the Cubao boundary by extrapolating some data from boundaries
 of barangays that may possibly form part of Cubao.

 Although "general areas", the approximate boundaries can be mapped.
 Also, some barangays are inside a certain district, and a ground survey on
 addresses of places on those barangays can be used to verify them.

 A few can be defined by surrounding streets (e.g. Santa Mesa Heights
 district boundaries are formed by its surrounding roads,like Quezon Avenue,
 Araneta Avenue, Del Monte Avenue, and Mayon Avenue). and water bodies like
 rivers, or both (Diliman looks like to be one example. The Diliman Creek
 forms one part of the approximate boundary, while roads, like Katipunan
 Avenue, Commonwealth Avenue, North Avenue, West Avenue, a part of Quezon
 Avenue, Don A. Roces Avenue, and a portion of Tomas Morato Avenue forms the
 rest.

 Hope this advice helps.

 On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar 
 wrote:

> I don't know if QC's districts have ever been defined. As far as I can
> tell, they are general areas and there is no hard line delineating these
> districts.
>
> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Jherome Miguel <
> jheromemig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Quezon City's political map on OpenStreetMap is mostly complete, with
>> every barangay mapped, but the district boundaries are still missing,
>> although district nodes are already added. I started to add nodes for 
>> those
>> districts, like Novaliches, New Manila, Santa Mesa Heights, Diliman, and
>> Balintawak, but district boundaries are still undefined. Can someone map
>> Quezon City's district boundaries, while I'll add the others, like the
>> Project areas La Loma, and Bago Bantay (possibly the same as the "Munoz"
>> area)?
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Re: [talk-ph] Quezon City mapping: districts

[Erwin Olario]

It could be based on barangay membership to a district, I remeber
encountering some map from city hall about that a few years back.

On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 3:48 PM Eugene Alvin Villar 
wrote:

> I don't know if QC's districts have ever been defined. As far as I can
> tell, they are general areas and there is no hard line delineating these
> districts.
>
> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Jherome Miguel 
> wrote:
>
>> Quezon City's political map on OpenStreetMap is mostly complete, with
>> every barangay mapped, but the district boundaries are still missing,
>> although district nodes are already added. I started to add nodes for those
>> districts, like Novaliches, New Manila, Santa Mesa Heights, Diliman, and
>> Balintawak, but district boundaries are still undefined. Can someone map
>> Quezon City's district boundaries, while I'll add the others, like the
>> Project areas La Loma, and Bago Bantay (possibly the same as the "Munoz"
>> area)?
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Re: [talk-ph] Updated Philippines map for Maps.me

[Erwin Olario]

Thanks for the information, Totor.

I know of people who complains about the two-week update cycle of OsmAnd,
but three months is reallly long.

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On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Totor <totor_...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I had a question from a new OSM member, when his changes would show up in
> MapsWithMe.
> So I thought I would share the result here.
>
> It looks like the last update of their map was December 15, 2015 .
> On their website I saw it is possible to generate your own map.
>
> It was a little complicated (I had to to download about 1Gb source code,
> then compile it), but I managed to make an updated map.
> I can not find out how to make the routing file (except by making the
> whole world map, and that is way too long, and I do not have enough space
> on my hard disk to store the latest world file...).
> (all is relatively clearly explained here:
> https://github.com/mapsme/omim/blob/master/docs/INSTALL.md )
>
> You can download the resulting map here (80Mb):
> http://osm.totor.ph/philippines.mwm
> The source pbf was downloaded today march 19, 2016 from Geofabrik.
>
> Installing is manageable if you have a minimum IT knowledge.
>
> First make sure the Maps.me app is closed.
>
> On my Android, on the SD card there is a folder "MapsWithMe".
> Inside this folder there is folder called 151215 which contains the
> original maps from maps.me
> If you only have the Philippines in there, rename this folder to
> 151215old  (this is a back-up in case something goes wrong) , then create a
> new folder and name it 151215.
> If you have several maps in there, move the Philippines map files
> somewhere safe...
> Put the map you downloaded from the link above in the 151215 folder.
>
> launch maps.me to check...
> You should be able to see the updated map, but you will have no more
> routing...
>
> If you want to go back to the old map, close the app, then just rename the
> 151215 to 151215totor (or delete it) and then rename the folder 151215old
> to 151215, and all should be like before.
> (If you moved the map files instead, just move them back)
> You can also simply update from the app, it will overwrite whatever map is
> there and go back to the official map.
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: [talk-ph] OpenStreetMap Workshop in Bogo, Cebu

[Erwin Olario]

Here's a comparison of the on-going #osmNorthCebu Risk Mapping projects
using a new feature of the Missing Maps website:
http://www.missingmaps.org/leaderboards/#/hotosm-project-1509,hotosm-project-1458


Originally posted at
https://plus.google.com/112683195199513602367/posts/YEPpKeq3bCk
On Dec 23, 2015 11:17 AM, "Erwin G. Olario"  wrote:

> The French Red Cross, working with the Philippine Red Cross, is conducting
> a three-day OpenStreetMap workshop in Bogo, Cebu (or Cebu City, venue still
> undetermined at present) in the first week of February.
>
> We're looking for experienced mappers who can participate as trainers, and
> preferably from somewhere close to these areas. You may choose to
> participate in just one or several of the three workshop days.
>
> If you're available, and interested, please contact me off-list. Kindly
> identify your OSM username, too.
>
> Io Saturnalia!
>
> Regards,
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Re: [talk-ph] OSMPH chatroom

[Erwin Olario]

Let us learn from each other ;). Thank you for the invite, Rally.

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On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Rally de Leon <rall...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I would like to invite you to OSMPH chatroom osmph.slack.com
> This is meant to replace our earlier experimental Discord.
>
> It is open to public and you can invite yourself using your email at:
> http://is.gd/osmphchat
>
> How is this different?
>
> It is currently (relatively) unstructured - like we don't know what it is
> yet or what it will be.
>
> It can become your local quick source mapping tips and Q Easily search
> for previous discussions, since it is searchable. It is linked to our osmph
> event's google calendar. It has an anonymous channel, etc.
>
> Here, it's like having many small cubicles for small talks about any
> particular mapping interests. Shy and low-profile members can
> simultaneously talk and ask questions freely among their same-interest
> sub-groups in separate channels, without worrying about interrupting any
> hotter or more important issues on the general discussion table.
>
> Discuss wider range of topics from seemingly irrelevant to newbie's
> frequently ask questions, to more technical discourse, do skill-sharing,
> share an idea, or plan workshops and mapping parties, or have simple
> chit-chats.
>
> Your guidelines:
> Post in English, Filipino or Taglish, as long as you don't use a lot of
> "po" and "opo," (kasi nakaka-feeling matanda "poh" yan sa ilang tao dito)
> 
>
> The other suggested chatroom rule is simple: "don't be a jerk." Orayt? ;-)
>
> BTW, you can also introduce some words from local dialect in the interest
> of teaching the community some terminologies you are accustomed with, to
> understand local cultures, to bridge the communications gaps, to improve
> objects/words translations, all that may be relevant to mapping.
>
> We are inclusive. Let us learn from you.
>
> Let's see how it goes. See you there.
>
> Rally :-)
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Re: [talk-ph] Downloading a section of the Philippine open street map

[Erwin Olario]

Hi Frank.

Try this utility: http://extract.bbbike.org/

Hopefully, your device supports one of the many formats available, and you
can limit the extent of the coverage to your area of interest (e.g Davao
region, instead of just Davao city, if your device supports it.)

I use the same site to create custom extracts for OsmAnd, which happens to
be my favorite navigation, routing, and POI editor while on the go.

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On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:07 AM, Frank Woolf <fr...@frankwoolf.com> wrote:

> I used to edit open street maps and download often but then we could only
> select a very large map with makes my GPS so slow its almost unusable so I
> haven’t updated for a long time.  I have been trying again and can’t
> download at all.
>
> Can someone please tell me where to go to select and download an up to
> date map, preferably of only Davao city and surrounding area.
>
> Many thanks
>
>
> Frank Woolf
>
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> Hi
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> Firstly let me introduce myself, I'm based in the UK.  I've been involed
> with OSM pretty much from the start, (I attended the first ever mapping
> party), was responsible for a large part of the original worldwide
> coastline import,  spent a lot of time fixing coastline errors, did most
> of the original mapping of Baghdad from Bing & Yahoo imagery, and have
> done of lot of other mappng from imagery worldwide, as well as mapping
> from my own GPX tracks here in th UK and wherever I vacation.
>
> I have recently started mapping parts of Leyte. Initially focusing on
> some of the smaller scale mapping ( tracing builings etc) .
>
> I then noticed that some areas of coastline on the west of the island
> needed updating from imagery since it had the typical "saw-tooth" effect
> resulting from imports of coastline data. so have been working on that.
> I'm not finished yet!
>
> Anyway, the purpose of my post to the list is to ask about landuse =
> forest areas.  If you look at the central part of Leyte some large areas
> have been mapped and tagged for the forest, but :
>
> (1) these seem to have arbitary boundaries (long strainght lines where
> the areas simply have not been accuarely mapped to any natural feature)
>
> (2) The areas so far mapped with tree cover (either "natural = wood", or
> "landuse = forest" represent a smnall proportion of the actual forest
> cover on the island.
>
> My question is, is it OK if as I map other things I extend the tree
> cover areas .  This may result in a large part of Leyte "turning green"
> on the map.
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Re: [talk-ph] Jan 23 U.S. Embassy Mapathon

[Erwin Olario]

Someone is asking me whether there are any venue restrictions about the
attire Are flip-flops allowed? How about short-pants? Kindly advise.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016, 17:30 Celina Agaton  wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Please join us at the U.S. Embassy in Manila for a Leyte Mapathon
> on Saturday, January 23, 8:30am to 2:30pm.
>
> Be sure to register to secure entrance at the embassy! Full details at
> http://leytemapathon.eventbrite.com
>
> If you'd like to help new learners, please let me know!
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Re: [talk-ph] Google Street View

[Erwin Olario]

Unfortunately, I believe any data from Google Street View will be
considered as derived work, and is not usable for OSM. The FAQ states that
here [0]

My personal interpretation for the reference to "any" wording of that FAQ
entry with regard to data from Google, includes images from Google Street
View.

A question similar to yours was posted here [1]

[0]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FAQ#What_images_and_maps_may_I_use_to_make_maps_from.3F
[1]
https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/710/can-i-use-google-streetview-to-help-create-maps

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On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Jim Morgan <j...@datalude.com> wrote:

> Just noticed that they've finally published all the images they took last
> year for Metro Manila, and a little beyond. Very cool. I'll be searching
> this today for a while to discover some "Manila Moments" captured on camera.
>
> Meanwhile, what's the legality of this situation: I remember there's a
> restaurant on a certain street in QC. I go to Google Street View and find
> out. Is this information OK to put on OSM? Its not tracing maps ... its
> public domain info ... I already half know what the restaurant is called ...
>
> So I guess a broader question would be, "What is OK to use from this data?"
>
> Happy (rainy) Sunday all.
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: OSM DRR Training in Calamian, Palawan

[Erwin Olario]

Dear all,

Bumping up an old thread. The Busuanga [0] DRR office and the other
departments of the municipality, with assistance from the PRC and the SRK
are doubling-down on their mapping efforts to conduct field data collection
and mapping for nine unmapped baranggays of their town.

Expect lots of changesets, new nodes, ways, and polygons in that area soon.

Just a heads up.

[0] http://osm.org/go/4yMwg9x--?m==3631297


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On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:45 PM, maning sambale <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Posting this message in behalf of Señorita Catalina Jaime of Swiss Red
> Cross
>
> >> -- Forwarded message --
> >> From: Catalina Jaime Sanchez <cjaim...@gmail.com>
> >> To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
> >> Cc:
> >> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 19:31:31 +0800
> >> Subject: Great partnership - Busuanga
> >> Dear OSM team,
> >> It was absolutely inspiring to have you in Busuanga sharing with the
> LGUs
> >> and Philippine Red Cross the power of OSM.  The municipality is so
> committed
> >> that they want to map everything in the coming months (I'm confident
> they
> >> will). PRC will support them in this process,we are very excited to
> embark
> >> in this plan.
> >> It was very clear during the training that there are many positive
> >> Implications offered by OSM beyond DRR.
> >> This specific training demonstrated that LGU can sponsor this kind of
> >> punctual and cost-effective initiatives using their own DRR funds, we
> need
> >> to spread the word and make sure that other LGUs start to invest on
> this as
> >> part of their development planning.
> >> Thanks Erwin, Feye and Dianne for your great job!
> >> Maning and Eugene wonderful coordination !!
> >> Cheers
> >> Catalina Jaime
> >> Swiss Red Cross
> >
> >
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 10:06 AM, maning sambale
> <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Great photos! Congrats to the team and welcome Busuanga mappers.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Erwin Olario <gov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> We have had a very interesting time in Busuanga (You may find some of my
> >> snaps here [0].) We are currently gathering the inputs from
> participants,
> >> the organizers, and the personal experience of the trainers, with the
> hope
> >> of contributing improvements of the training programs of OSM-PH for
> similar
> >> engagements in the future.
> >>
> >> I want to thank everyone who made this activity possible. The DRR team
> of
> >> Busuanga, headed by Mr. Goodie Aguilar, for bringing this event over to
> >> their hometown. The various offices and departments of the Busuanga
> local
> >> government who sent in participants for the training. The enthusiastic
> team
> >> of "observers" from the Palawan chapter of the Philippine Red Cross,
> led by
> >> Mr. Vic de Leon.  And, to the prime mover of this activity,  Señora
> Catalina
> >> Sanchez of the Swiss Red Cross for her support and ardent involvement
> in all
> >> phases of the activity.
> >>
> >> Special thanks, too, for my very able co-trainers, Mses. Dianne
> Bencitio and
> >> Feye Andal.
> >>
> >> We all look forward to more OSM mappers and new mapping activities in
> >> Busuanga island soon.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Erwin
> >>
> >> [0] http://goo.gl/dulMB3
> >>
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> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Mark Cupitt <markcup...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Good Luck Guys. I lived in Busuanga for a few years in the mid '90's
> all
> >>> we had was RCPI and HF Radio back then. :)
> >>>
> >>> I am so glad that the LGU is committed to DRR. I would be keen to see
> how
> >>> their environmental planning is going as well. If you get any
> feedback, I
> >>> would live to hear it.
> >>>
> >>>  Coron

Re: [talk-ph] routing bug

[Erwin Olario]

Ian, thank you for the update. While that solves that particular routing
task, I still get other routing errors in the same area (this one [0], for
example]  I've updated the area by adding nodes at intersections (where
missing), hoping it fixes the problem.

I'll check this out again soon.

[0] http://osrm.at/feA
[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33703680

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On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 11:01 PM, ianlopez <ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Managed to fix it by splitting way 290296534 into two at the junction
> with Bacong-Valencia Road. You can verify this by using the Routing plugin
> in JOSM[0].
>
> [0] see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Routing for
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> *Subject:* [talk-ph] routing bug
>
>
> For a week now, I've been trying to find out why this particular route, on
> a car,  couldn't give me a "simple" left turn but route me around elsewhere
> instead:  http://osrm.at/fa2
>
> Anyone?
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Re: [talk-ph] routing bug

[Erwin Olario]

Thanks Ian. I'll check this out when I get back to a (proper) computer. ☺

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On Aug 30, 2015 11:03 PM, ianlopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Managed to fix it by splitting way 290296534 into two at the junction
 with Bacong-Valencia Road. You can verify this by using the Routing plugin
 in JOSM[0].

 [0] see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Routing for
 related info http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Routing
 -
 Blog: http://ianlopez1115.wordpress.com/
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 Facebook: ian.lopez

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 *Subject:* [talk-ph] routing bug


 For a week now, I've been trying to find out why this particular route, on
 a car,  couldn't give me a simple left turn but route me around elsewhere
 instead:  http://osrm.at/fa2

 Anyone?

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Re: [talk-ph] designing a 2 pager handout about OSM and OSM-PH

[Erwin Olario]

Very good idea, Maning! Perhaps the handout could showcase past successful
projects with solid achievements: DRR, specific communities, GIS and OSM
geospatial data, apps?

I got lost while biking earlier today (subconsciously, it must have been my
intention so I would know my neighborhood better) and discovered a
(surprisingly) well-kept monument of Andres Bonifacio that's oddly placed
smack in the middle of a residential neighbourhood.  I got curious and
ended up in City Hall (in short pants and shirt) and talking to the local
office for tourism and cultural affairs, and doing a lightning talk about
OpenStreetMap on a borrowed computer.

Apparently, Barangay Onse of San Juan has Andres Bonifacio as their secular
paragon and celebrates his birthday as their barangay's fiesta - the only
barangay in San Juan who does so. Ang galing!

I ran out of battery juice, so no snaps from me. Will post one when I get
around to getting lost in that area again. :)




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On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:02 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
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 Its good to have some printouts/handouts about OSM and the OSM-PH
 community we can distribute during trainings and events. Anybody
 interested to design one?

 For some inspiration, we had this during our Pampanga project [0]
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 http://essc.org.ph/content/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/ESSC_WBDRR_Flyer_FINAL.pdf
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Re: [talk-ph] How to tag evacuation center

[Erwin Olario]

If they are temporary evacuation centers add: temporary=yes.



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On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:50 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Ie a school

 name=Banaba Elementary School
 amenity=school
 evacuation_center=yes

 On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Lu Sevier lmsev...@email.wm.edu wrote:
  Silly question
  How do I correctly tag an evacuation center? I was unable to find it on
  these two wiki links. Am I looking in the wrong place?
 
 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Mapping_conventions#Computer_.26_Electronics_.2F_Telecom_.2F_Mobile_Accessories
 
  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features
 
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Re: [talk-ph] best practice for village admin_centre relations

[Erwin Olario]

Rally, Maning is asking about the administrative centres, and that would
mean government authorities in charge of administration. They are not meant
to represent the [geographic] center of the village which isn't something
we normally map.

As for place=village nodes, and like I wrote earlier, I put them in the
commons (e.g. plaza, local park, etc.).

Erwin



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On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:

 Question:
 - What's the best practice for adding admin_centre nodes to the village
 boundary relation? Should it be the barangay hall (amenity=townhall)
 or the place=village node?

 
 For place nodes, a good practice IMHO is putting said node (eg.
 place=village)
 somewhere NEAR but NOT ON an object or group of objects which
 represents the center of the village, typically any of the following:
   -barangay hall
   -village plaza (eg. where there's a multipurpose hall or basketball
 court)
   -the center of traditional grid-street (the oldest populated area of the
 place)

 My interpretation of somewhere near is around 100-150 meters away;
 on a not-so-important space (eg. a vacant area or generic community)
 in the vicinity, where there are no other place nodes, or important
 landmarks
 like a park or institution.

 1st Reason:
 The 'place node' is represented by a TEXT on the map.
 -a rendered TEXT always cover the lines and polygons under it. Thus,
 putting a place_node very close to another object (eg. important
 building),
 will essentially make that building disappear (information visibility is
 not optimized).
 Said buildings  will only appear when you zoom-in on a digital map.
 But you cannot zoom-in on a paper map (2-D). So I thought, the best
 practice
 is to move it just enough not to cover important objects (part of the art).
 (until such time we have an algorithm to do that automatically)

 2nd Reason:
 Putting a place node inside a polygon with a large footprint the size of
 a neighborhood, like an institutional_polygon or a park; will not just
 potentially cover the 'name' of institution or park, but add unintended
 confusion or misrepresentation of the polygon.
 eg. If you put a place_node of Ermita inside Rizal Park's valencia circle,
 a tourist who wants to go to the heart of Ermita, ends up in Luneta
 (which is technically Ermita) - but was not probably his/her intention

 3rd Reason:
 There are some LGU's (municipal and barangays) which relocated (or
 isolated)
 their new townhalls away from the village or town centers.

 Putting a place_node on top or near an isolated townhall (away from
 populated center)
 is not always representative of the general location of the village or the
 town.
 (this is a dilemna for Mamasapano, where townhall is located near the
 boundary)

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 I'm voting +1 for:
 place=village as admin_centre, provided it's located NEAR not ON the
 object (amenity=townhall)

 Cheer,
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Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [HOT] Quick study: initial activity and retention of first-time HOT contributors

[Erwin Olario]

Well, it's not a need but I'd like to play with the data as I've been
curious about long-term outcomes. Will send you a message off-list.

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 Dear Erwin,

 We have the list for the Pampanga gig.  You need it?

 On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Erwin Olario gov...@gmail.com wrote:
  Maning,
 
  Do you keep userid data from previous OSMPH training engagements?
 
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  On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 10:31 AM, maning sambale
  emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Interesting study on first time contributions to crisis mappinh.
  Typhoon Haiyan response is one of the case study.
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dekstop/diary/35271
 
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  From: Martin Dittus mar...@dekstop.de
  Date: Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 8:37 AM
  Subject: [HOT] Quick study: initial activity and retention of
  first-time HOT contributors
  To: hot h...@openstreetmap.org
 
 
  Hallo all,
 
  I’d like to share a link to an OSM diary entry where I summarise part
  of a HOT study I did earlier this year.
 
  I was interested in understanding how first-time contributors engage
  with HOT: how many hours of work do they contribute in the first days,
  and how long do they keep contributing to HOT once they joined? I’m
  comparing three initiatives: mapping for typhoon Haiyan/Yolanda in Nov
  2013, the Ebola response throughout 2014, and initial months of
  Missing Maps after November 2014.
 
  The post with detailed results is here:
  https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dekstop/diary/35271
 
  And here’s some background on my work:
  https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dekstop/diary/35169
 
  Will keep posting more of these diary entries as the year progresses,
  and will make sure to share bigger findings here and on Twitter.
 
  Feedback and suggestions are appreciated, here or in the comments!
 
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