Re[2]: Moving conversations to a forum ?

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Hello Anne,

Thursday, September 4, 2003, 7:59:56 AM, you wrote:

A> Thursday, September 4, 2003, 1:00:49 AM,Allen wrote:

A>> Agreed  .  .  .  and the fact that, to me, it just seems more relevant
A>> discussing  a  mail client via a closed mailing list rather than a web
A>> forum.   And it's rather convenient to be able to discuss and view the
A>> topic of discussion all in the same program.


A> I think that the users of the forums tend to be those who don't want
A> or who don't have the time to read through seemingly endless mails to
A> find the answers they need. It's for those people that we need to
A> offer the forums as an alternative and complementary method of
A> support.

It takes a lot mor time to read anything via the web and I sure havent
got the time for them except for particular problems if I am NOT
subscibed to a list like about Mac features...

A> One of the things I felt as a newcomer to these mailing lists was that
A> the sheer volume of messages could be overwhelming. This is were being
A> able to pop into a board and ask a question without having to receive
A> that mail traffic in order to get a response is what some users want
A> or need.

Subscribe to a linux newsletter and you will realise that whats send
about the bat is nil...

A> I don't think that the forums will ever replace these lists, nor would
A> I wish to see that happen! - but forums do serve a need for some users
A> and should be an offered alternative. After all it's about what sort
A> of support suits each best isn't it?

I think you will find that the programmers and those who are busy will
not have the time to checd the web...


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Re[2]: TB v2.0 installation, numerous Access Violation Errors

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Hello Leif,

Friday, September 5, 2003, 1:51:07 AM, you wrote:

LG> Hello Costas,

LG> Thursday, September 4, 2003, 12:40:02 PM, you wrote:
CP>> I'm just curious. Do you have a sophisticated filter or something
CP>> else that detects top posters or do you actually review all
CP>> messages and act accordingly when you see one with top posting?

LG> Oh no... We're watching you. Very, very closely 

LG> A little of both actually. We (the moderators) read *every* single
LG> e-mail on the lists (remember, we're talking about TBUDL, TBBETA,
LG> TBDEV, and TBTECH) whether we have a personal interest in it or not.

LG> Once we see something wrong, then we have QTs to take care of it.

LG> Marck being in England, my being in the US, and Allie being in Jamaica
LG> gives us pretty much 24 hour coverage for moderation purposes. It's
LG> worked very well.

Sounds with that spread you have a hole in the eastern hemisphere...
At least I know from my work that 12 hours difference with florida is
ideal

Anyway, top-posting probably is easily found with a regexp.






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Re: Unregistration

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Hello Tony Boom,
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:16:42 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, August 17, 2003, 8:16:42 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Tony Boom wrote:


> Hello Martin,


>   A reminder of what Martin Schoch typed on:
>   17 August 2003 at 15:04:17 GMT +0200

MS>> And what is this good for?

>  Absolutely nothing other than to wind people up... And he certainly seems
>  to have achieved his objective with you.

>  He told you it was hacked along with a few other choices for you to
>  believe. You chose not to believe the most believable option :)


Sounds like a childish trick if true.. and as a troll shouldnt be
allowed on this list.



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Re: The Bat! v2.0 Beta/2

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Hello Peter Meyns,
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 15:05:28 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, August 17, 2003, 8:05:28 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Peter Meyns wrote:


> Hi Martin,

> on Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:16:45 +0200GMT (17.08.03, 14:16 +0200GMT here),
> you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

MS>> Well it seems the "inner circle" of testers which supports RITLabs to
MS>> get better marketing has no problems with this policy...

> Neither have I for the moment. Relax and wait a couple of days. No-one has
> asked a price yet, so let's see what the official side will be. I can
> live with a nag screen for a few days... :)

Not if it tells me its expiring in 30 days.
Especially not if you live in Thailand where never is anything done on
time.


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Re: How to get new key?

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Hello Martin Schoch,
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:51:29 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, August 17, 2003, 7:51:29 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Martin Schoch wrote:


>  Hi Dierk

>  On Sunday, August 17, 2003 2:34:44 PM you wrote:

>> Ganz privat: Ich weiß wirklich nicht mehr, was Du willst. Du hattest
>> eine Frage gestellt, die ich Ernst genommen habe und versuchte so gut
>> wie möglich zu beantworten. Außerdem versuchte ich Befürchtungen zu
>> zerstreuen, die ich im Augenblick für ungerechtfertigt halte. Was
>> willst Du noch?

> Ja klar, das ist der Ton, der mir echt gefällt, könnte ja auch so
> sein: "Entweder du brauchst die alte Beta oder halt die Klappe und
> gehe weg". Der Spiegel wurde Dir noch von einem anderen User hier
> vorgehalten...

> Ich bin echt sauer.

Sounds sauer(g). On the other hand remedy is simple, donot run betav2
if you arent happy without knowing consequences...
Believe me , the best way to get clarification out soon as I myself
donot mind the upgrade or to pay for it but I damn well donot want to
risk an interrupted email supply...
30 days is not enough for a test, ok I am not testing  if I like the
Bat but I do want to know more then no doubt a few days before expiry
we will be told. I live in Thailand and its not that easy to arrange
payments and I really am to busy to hack that damned key... (or is it
still a reset of the registry in a certain place to 0.(g)) oops..



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Re: Unregistration

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Hello Dierk Haasis,
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:27:26 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, August 17, 2003, 4:27:26 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Dierk Haasis wrote:


> Hello Martin!

> On Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 11:21:06 AM you wrote:

>> [...] I can't understand the
>> policy to change registration keys _during_ a beta cycle...

> Well, one could argue that the new registration scheme is a new
> feature, one to be tested, beta tested ...   \

NOT on my real email.
AND all v2Beta2 triggers spampal



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Re: **SPAM** Re: TheBat 2.00 Beta/2 is now unregistered?

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Hello Paul Cartwright,
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 21:59:45 -0400 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, August 17, 2003, 8:59:45 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Paul Cartwright wrote:



> On Saturday, August 16, 2003, 9:58 PM, you wrote:



MDP>>> Please refer to the release notes!!!


MDP>>> ,--/ Stefan said \--
MDP>>> | Please note that this new Beta requires new registration keys. The
MDP>>> | upgrade policy will be available from our official site shortly.
MDP>>> `-8<-

>  amazing how many people either ignored the notes or didn't read them...
>  but this was inevitable, considering the way they put out the betas.

Be honest, most times we stumbled over betas by accident and had to
ask what had changed...
In the last case though a clear warning was supplied.


>  First free, then policy to be detailed later.. I don't like going from a
>  registered version to an evaluation copy, not knowing the upgrade/cost
>  policy going forward they should have spelled that out WITH the beta
>  or before the beta. many people have commented on this, many are
>  confused.
>  and someone figured out how to setup Spampal ( or popfile) with SPAM in
>  the subject line, and didn't remove it before they replied

Ok, now your email managed like a few others to bypass Spampal and
being marked as SPAM.
AND I clearly have the [EMAIL PROTECTED] in my
whitelist...






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Re: Ridiculous Mail Count

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Hello Jonathan Angliss,
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:35:49 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, August 17, 2003, 1:35:49 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Jonathan Angliss wrote:


> Hi,

>   Okay... I know I go a little mad with my emails... And I really do
>   have quite a few mail folders, and mail in general, but there is no
>   way in hell that I have 35 million emails in one folder...

>  http://thebat.netdork.net/imap_bad_msg_folder_count.jpg

I think you better read the numbers again and start downloading and
reading(g)We will likely be up to the Bat v10 by that time you are
finished...

>   In fact, I'm not entirely sure if the beta list has had that many
>   emails. If it has, then I truly have got into a big popular list ;)

>   My beta folder isn't the only one that is affected. I have others
>   that seem to be doing it as well, my SquirrelMail - Users list
>   folder reports 135 million emails. I know it's a busy list (busier
>   than tbbeta and tbudl put together), but that is seriously
>   ridiculous.



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Re: Reregistration Idea is Dumb!

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Hello Allie Martin,
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 09:57:13 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, August 16, 2003, 9:57:13 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Allie Martin wrote:


> Allen, [A] wrote:

A>> I went ahead and upgraded to beta 2, I've still got a good 28 days
A>> before I'm no longer able to read my mail. Here's to hoping they've
A>> posted the upgrade policy within that time, and to hoping I can
A>> afford it! To date, like you, I've found nothing official about the
A>> upgrade policy yet.

> Stefan said in his beta/2 announcement:

> ,- / Stefan \
> | Please note that this new Beta requires new registration keys. The
> | upgrade policy will be available from our official site shortly.
> `-

> I'm pretty sure that shortly will mean before the trial period expires.

Still dumb as while I donot mind paying for the fun and the
convenience its not that easy for me to arrange a payment as once in
the past I found out.
And I donot want to risk my email program expiring on me...
So for me if betas will expire me, no more betas till I have aranged
payment



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Re: Reregistration Idea is Dumb!

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Hello Bill McCarthy,
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:45:10 -0400 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, August 16, 2003, 9:45:10 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Bill McCarthy wrote:


> On Sat 16-Aug-03 10:30am -0400, Alexey N. Vinogradov wrote:

>> regedit /c bat16x.reg

> Hmm, how did you find out about switches for regedit?  I can't find
> the command line options in the XP Help and trying: regedit /?
> just starts the damn thing.

That one has been around for ages.
its telling regedit to grab the file supplied and import it to the
registry
Agreed under xp it doesnt show anything usable... when supplying /?

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Re: Registration Problem

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Hello Julien RANC,
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:16:24 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, August 16, 2003, 6:16:24 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Julien RANC wrote:


> Bonjour Johannes,

> Saturday, August 16, 2003, 1:05:11 PM, I read:

JP>> Actually I miss the password as well. Perhaps Stefan could enlight us
JP>> a bit? ;-)

> Mine was written in the email including my registration key. It was
> saying:

>  "Your registration password is: xx"

> This line was before the key and cheksum, in the middle of the "thank
> you" text.

My email doesnt show my password but I asume that since Wed, 05 May 1999 15:54:12 GMT
there may have been changes to the letter...



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Re: Skins for TB

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Hello Thomas Fernandez,
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:38:04 +0700 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, August 16, 2003, 4:38:04 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Thomas Fernandez wrote:


> Hello Krister,

> On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:11:43 +0200 GMT (16/08/2003, 16:11 +0700 GMT),
> Krister Ekstrom wrote:

PM>>> You spoke my heart. Thank you! :-))

>> I agree wholeheartedly but i just want to add one more thing: When
>> you make skinnable programs, in many many cases, accessibility goes
>> straight down the drain, that is, a blind person using a screen
>> reader is out of luck.

> I didn't know that! This is indeed an argument against a skin API.

> (Sorry Marck, I saw your dead-horse, but Krister's comment was
> on-topic I think, so I reply here. Hope this is OK.)

Added as well, if you have a system problem I like to know where is
what so that even without my screen showing anything useful I can
close programs and reboot. One of the reasons why I want the My system
Icon as the first on the screen (left top).
The rest a user can stick where he wants but I did convince my
customers to leave or put this one in its original place...
Same with the Bat as its really unhealthy to your email files to reboot or
crash the system with the Bat open.

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Re: Registration Problem

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Hello Bill McCarthy,
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:29:04 -0400 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, August 16, 2003, 4:29:04 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Bill McCarthy wrote:


> Hello TB Beta List,

> After I registered v2, I returned to v1.62r and saw I was not
> registered!  If I can only be registered for one, I'll pick 1.62r and
> just run the beta unregistered.

> I tried to register 1.62r but it requires a password that didn't come
> with the program's registration.  I couldn't find any email from
> Ritlabs with a password.  Doesn't anyone remember getting one?

Years ago after running theBat for quite a while and thus being
convinced that with all its bugs it was better then others with  even
more irritating bugs, I deleted my hacked version and registered it
and got my key emailed.
The password was under v1.xx what you yourself selected and from what
you say it sounds like V2 got this thing removed. In a way a good
thing as several times I thought I forgot that mine was pi or in
how many decimal places...
On the other hand I think that not only due to current bugs in beta 2
but also being stuck with a registration deadline, I prefer to wait
testing v2

Essentially I have a very sick creditcard system, havent seen my card
in at least 7 years I think
Ok, I know where it is but believe me using and maintaining a card
based in the UK while in Thailand is a pain...
Unless I know what upgrade price is and whose creditcard can be used
in exchange for a cash payment (Thomas in BKK??)


By the way I was very busy, this latest worm is a gold mine to clean
upI must have cleaned at least 100 PC's of that thing...


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Re: message size exceeding feature request

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Hello Leif Gregory,
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:34:41 -0600 GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, July 30, 2003, 10:34:41 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Leif Gregory wrote:


> Hello Sean,

> Wednesday, July 30, 2003, 9:23:07 AM, you wrote:
SC>> Fair enough - sorry for this.

> No problem... Next time you get the trout! 

If thats the IRC trout there cannot be much left besides the bones...




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Re: V.2! (was: Anti-virus plugins)

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Hello Robert Golovniov,
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:48:57 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, August 1, 2003, 11:48:57 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Robert Golovniov wrote:


> On 28 липня 2003 р., 17:54:59, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF>> I'm not Stefan, but by definition an alpha-version is for in-house
TF>> testing, and a downloadable test version will be called beta. ;-)

> Oh,   Thomas,  thank  you  for this clarification. As the saying goes,
> Live and Learn!

Well, some alpha's and even engineering versions of some
software/hardware are very limitedly distributed to those who know what the program 
does and
really donot mind blowing something up...
Note I am not saying the bat is in that category but I do remember
some software I was send to be tested where the serial number was 1.
Didnt work at all in some cases(g).
Some of that sofware never even made it to release stage and thats one
of the reasons one doesnt want prerelease software or hardware to
start floating around... If it doesnt work it can kill the final
product. The reverse can also be true as I know of one homecomputer
manufacturer which bit the dust in the past as their product had been
designed by them on a commercial machine to make the chip layout and
nobody had ever told their engineers that sticking 2 oscilators next
to each other in a microchip is just as bad an idea as with mechanical
ones...
Obviously they blamed the program not their engineers(g).
Their chip was higly unstable, and the computer deservedly flopped

Anyway a practical question:
If I upgrade since I am back online to v2 beta, is it going to be any
problem importing data from v1.6x data and secondly will it timeout???
I mean arent we supposed to have some cutoff to pay for an upgrade and
for the fun of running betas and finding bugs
To be honest, running these betas is more fun then receiving my
emails... Also I had a major disaster on my hands, not due to the bat
but it made me realise that some things might be done better.
My request follows later...




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Re: invitation to vote

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Hello Oleg Titov,
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 13:03:43 -0600 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, February 8, 2003, 2:03:43 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Oleg Titov wrote:

> I need to admit that your argumentation is very strong.

> I cast my -100 vote on my invitation. Yeah, there is no need for it.

> Voting is closed ;-)

I cannot see that voting on development is going to anything but a
waste of time and a potential headache for everybody. Epecially if
voted items donot get done for reasons which may be perfectly clear to
the devlopers but not to the users...
At least having been in development years ago I know what I would have
done if this was suggested...
Anyway, agreed with above vote (is -100 the minimum vote?? (g))


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request for better import of email method...

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Friday, January 31, 2003

Hello tbbeta,

  I have 2 systems, both with The bat, one at home, one in my office.
  I moved due to lousy phone support my email to my office, but now 6
  months later, find that several crashes (ie lost mail boxes) later
  and obviously 6 months of downloading makes both systems having
  different content. While I donot want to download from home I would
  like to have access to whats likely about  4 years of mail...

  I tried the synchronise option but its really a pain doing it that
  waay, MUCH easier to just archive the bats dir, take it to the other
  system and then import the mail.
  Problem is obviously clear: I would have to import mail FOLDER by
  folder, a horrible job...
  How complicated woult be to import ALL mail in one go.
  removal of all duplicates is easy as that already exist and if
  anyone has modified folder names, well manually fixing that up
  shouldnt be that much work...
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Re: Suggestion - Junk Mail

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Hello John T. Truchon,
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:47:36 +0900 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, January 27, 2003, 4:47:36 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,




John T. Truchon wrote:


> Hello Bat Beta Testers

>  I'm using/testing the span plug-in created by NetVicious.  It seems
>  to be working very well. The only thing I notice is that a Junk Mail
>  folder gets created for each account.  Is there anyway to create just
>  one common Junk Mail folder for all accounts, like Inbox-Know..?


By the way donot set it to delete spam , at least not until you have
separated inept maillist users from real spam.
I had a BUQtrack mesg  and a Linux cooker (mandrake development) email
end up in it...



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Re: Virus Plugins

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Hello Dierk Haasis,
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:42:59 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, January 16, 2003, 2:42:59 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Dierk Haasis wrote:


> Hello Timothy!

> On Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 8:29:21 PM you wrote:

>> So I'm looking for an alternative, preferably one with a good log file.

> I don't have any trouble - even with real-time scanning of TB TMP
> files - with F-Secure 5.41. There isn't a plug-in available, but until
> now TMP files have been scanned while in use by TB and never ever has
> F-Secure rendered TB useless after discovering malware.

correct. I use the Bat and Fsecure 5.40 (didnt know 5.41 was out...).
But as I run Zonealarm (checks extensions etc) and an antitrojan  as
well, not much reaches the Bat anyway, especially as my mailserver
also checks...
Anyway, I save as mentioned earlier all attachments as files and in
that case any decent AV will catch the file saved off if it has a
virus...

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Re: Bug: SMTP dialog

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Hello Allie C Martin,
On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 06:42:39 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, June 15, 2002, 6:42:39 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Allie C Martin wrote:


> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Martin Schoch [MS] wrote:

JP>>> So there is no bug. If you prefer to have a hostname in there
JP>>> (why would you want to?!), then set it in the right properties,
JP>>> namely the TCP/IP properties.

MS>> Can you say me exactly where.

> I think this is what they're referring to:

> In Win95, you can go into the network properties and then bring up the
> properties for tcp/ip->dialup adapter. Go to the DNS tab and enable
> DNS. Put the host name as the machine name and put in your ISP DNS
> server addresses. Done.

> In Win2k, things don't seem to be as straight-forward. I don't see a
> place to enter a host name.

Sorry for adding one more message to this dead horse...

Under Xp, and I havent got a 2000 system handy its under the tcp/ip
network protocols of the dialup adapter.  However if you mess around
with it the wrong way the result can easily be no internet...

Now forgetting the original subject as its more a matter of opinion
whats best, there is a very good reason to use IP numbers where ever
you can and where they arent changing.
Many times I have had problems that some nameserver gets confused and
if one specifies one's smtp and pop with the correct IP numbers instead of
using some auto setting, one will find, as mentioned, increased speed
as the nameserver doesnt have to be accessed to find the mail server.
I have been in situations where the only way to get mail to / from my customers was to
use known ip addresses. And,  while for convenience  I may not specify
them in customers systems, the ones I likely will need are sitting on
a printout above my desk.
Secondly from a security point of view the less user specified data is
passed on the better...
Why does one want people to know that its a specific person using a
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Re: TheBat! Pro

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Hello Alexander Leschinsky,
On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 05:45:28 +0600 GMT your local time,
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Alexander Leschinsky wrote:


> Hello tracer,

>On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 05:25:32 +0700 (23.06.02 04:25 my local time)
>you wrote about "TheBat! Pro",
>at least in part:

t>> Seems very similar to the secure bat unless I miss something...
> Different hardware-token used

More secure??? or less...
I myself am not that fond of the manufacturer of the token as used on secure bat but 
can
obviously not comment on whats used in the Pro version...

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Re: Bug: SMTP dialog

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Hello tracer,
On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 05:33:25 +0700 GMT your local time,
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tracer wrote:


> Hello Marck D Pearlstone,
> On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:35:29 +0100 GMT your local time,
> which was Friday, June 14, 2002, 8:35:29 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,




> Marck D Pearlstone wrote:


>> 4) It is an unwise man that argues MTA/MUA logic with Syafril
>>Hermansyah ;-).

> Now that I quite believe (g)

sorry, just saw the dead horse flag... 6 am in the morning here trying
to catch up on my mail...





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Re: Bug: SMTP dialog

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Hello Martin Schoch,
On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:01:40 +0200 GMT your local time,
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Martin Schoch wrote:


> Hello Alexander Leschinsky

AL>> Bercause any from named MUA use delirium (sic!) as EHLO parameter,
AL>> The Bat _tries_ to be RFC-compliant, and got 
AL>> from stupid, lame, suxx 2000

> Hmm - but on my old Win95 PC it's the same thing...

> And why all other clients I have here on Win2k SP2 do it alright?

Maybe they 'fix' a MS bug?? Ie they do it really wrong



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Re: Bug: SMTP dialog

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Hello Marck D Pearlstone,
On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:35:29 +0100 GMT your local time,
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Marck D Pearlstone wrote:


> 4) It is an unwise man that argues MTA/MUA logic with Syafril
>Hermansyah ;-).

Now that I quite believe (g)



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Re: TheBat! Pro

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Hello Oleg Titov,
On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 15:26:34 -0500 GMT your local time,
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Oleg Titov wrote:


> Hello tbbeta,
>Some time ago someone was asking where to get TheBat! Pro. Recently
>I found this link
>http://www.ozon.ru/detail.cfm/ent=777&id=31666

>which will take you to one of the best russian online shops to
>purchase TB! Pro. They *do* deliver worldwide (i am their client
>for more than 3 years).

>If you do not read russian, try http://babel.altavista.com or
>www.translate.ru to translate pages.

>Or get in contact with RITLabs for order information.

Seems very similar to the secure bat unless I miss something...




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Re: CryptoAPI (CSP drivers)

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Hello Maxim Masiutin,
On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 03:22:26 +0300 GMT your local time,
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Maxim Masiutin wrote:


> Hi Oleg,

> On Sun, 02 Jun 2002, at 00:48:01 [GMT -0500] (which was 8:48 where I
> live) you wrote:


>>   thanks, I read that press-release mostly on April 25th :) Same day I
>>   went to www.ritlabs.com to get more details and have not found any
>>   track of TB!Pro. Same thing happened today. I would very appreciate
>>   if you could create (or make public) a web page on your site about
>>   TB! Pro. That should be a great product.

>   The Bat! Pro has been released as a retail edition (box with a CD,
>   manuals and a eToken) for Russian market. We are planning to release
>   an English retail version of SecureBat!, we'll put information to
>   our site when it will be released.

 So whats the price of this Russian Secure bat??





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Re: 1.60j

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Hello Dieter Hummel,
On Sun, 5 May 2002 20:09:17 +0200 GMT your local time,
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Dieter Hummel wrote:


> Good evening List Members,

> on 04.05.2002 at 13:14, Mark Knipfer wrote:

>> What does 1.60J fix?

> As far as I can see, the logfile entries are corrected now.

I complained a while back that new emails setup on myrealbox.com
refused to download and popped up the screen where you could say if
you wanted to see them, download them or whatever, doesnt happen
anymore so somewhere in the last week it must have been fixed...




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Re: .msg attachments

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Hello Nick Andriash,
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:33:38 -0700 GMT your local time,
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Nick Andriash wrote:


> Hello John,

> On Thursday, April 11 2002 at 02:22 AM PDT, you wrote:

>> My internal office mail from M$ Post Office on an NT4.0 SP6 network, is
>> transferred to my external address from my Outofluck XP account via a
>> filter.

> Why do you find the need to slag Microsoft?

Considering the flood of security holes in the latest software, I
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Re: Kaspersky plug-in - working or not?

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Hello Jan Rifkinson,
On Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:00:16 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, April 1, 2002, 6:00:16 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Jan Rifkinson wrote:


> Hello tracer.

> At 5:30 PM on Sunday, March 31, 2002 you wrote the following
> about [Kaspersky plug-in - working or not?]:


>>>   How about pc-cillin?

tracer>> How about Fsecure...

>   ok by me. :-)

tracer>> [...] my av is on, anything with a virus being saved
tracer>> as an attachment makes the alarm go off.. So who
tracer>> needs a plugin anyway...

>   Mine is always on as well w the same result. As for the
>   plug in -- actually you're right. It would sort of be like
>   the dept of redundancy dept.

tracer>> Leaving msgs with attachments included in the
tracer>> msgbase makes files bigger and if you corrupt your
tracer>> emails you also lose the attachments and those would
tracer>> likely be more important then the emails

>   I'm going to have to try this system of separating
>   attachments from their emails.

>   Do you [or anyone] remember if there was ever a discussion
>   on the pros & cons of separating attachments on any of the
>   lists. Cuz then I could search the archives.

Difficult to find attachment back unless you in the actual message  SAVE
it with a more sensible name where you want it if the attachment
has to be used outside the emails or has to be repeatedly reused.
Anyway even in the last case I find it easier to search in the bat for
the subject or so to find it back then in my documents, must be 600+
MB...
My Bat is about 400MB plus with all mail (and I have about 2
UNREAD emails from various groups. ).
ie I store and keep the lot  but donot read it all (get 600+emails per
day) unless I get referred back or like the headers.
Some Linux development lists have interesting items but also a lot of
undesirable stuff...

I run many accounts and all of any importance save to a user specified
directory, the same one for those accounts, so links donot get lost.



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Re: Mail To URL's don't fill in To: Line

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Hello Allie C Martin,
On Sun, 31 Mar 2002 15:37:30 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, April 1, 2002, 3:37:30 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Allie C Martin wrote:


> @ 21:18:25 +0100 [ Sun, 31 Mar 2002], Chris Wilson [CW] thoughtfully
> wrote the following:
> ...

CW>> Not sure how to explain this, but on web based BBS's if i click on a
CW>> mail to URL The Bat! opens as before, but no longer with the To: Line
CW>> filled in. I hope this will work, try the last offending message, the
CW>> post from a Mark Ayling (but PLEASE don't actually send him mails)
CW>> :-)

> I beg your pardon. I confirm the failure of the address being filled
> in. The problem is not in TB! but in the URI. The URI actually says:

> mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> and not

> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> There's a space after the colon. You can try the link on the
> subtoolbar marked 'e-mail'.

> Just holding the pointer over the links and looking at the status bar
> should show you the difference in the links.

Sorry Ali, I clicked both of them to be answered and I get email
address in my to be send email...
I am not using RTV as I just donot like to miss half the text of my
ariving messages

No idea when this gets send as last night at 9 pm I suddenly had some
explosions and fire in my PC and while most of it works as far as I
can see I havent got a powersupply to run all my hardware (OLD one blew up
with really a big bang and fire and smoke)INSIDE my PC. Modem also
sofar isnt found so I may have blown either the modem or com port
>From what I can see a cockroach laid eggs in my powersupply and they
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Re: Kaspersky plug-in - working or not?

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Hello Allie C Martin,
On Sun, 31 Mar 2002 17:46:13 -0500 GMT your local time,
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Allie C Martin wrote:


> @ 05:30:45 +0700 [ Mon, 1 Apr 2002], Tracer [T] thoughtfully wrote the
> following:
> ...
T>> Leaving msgs with attachments included in the msgbase makes files
T>> bigger and if you corrupt your emails you also lose the attachments
T>> and those would likely be more important then the emails

> Interesting pro.

> However, if you store your attachments outside the message bodies and
> you wish to move messages to another account, you're in for trouble.
> The messages will lose the links to their respective attachments.

I filter everything coming in and as everything gets stored in one
attachment directory, I havent lost a link once sofar as attachment
saved isnt moving and email still points to the same place.

I agree if I move to another account I could lose them but ALL my mail
sends attachments to the same place and if I want them elsewhere I
just goto the email and save them where I want them for other usage.
Afterall you have the option where you want attachments and all of
mine goto The BAT\Attachments. One big attachment bucket.

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Re: Kaspersky plug-in - working or not?

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Hello Miles Alexander,
On Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:16:19 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, April 1, 2002, 6:16:19 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Miles Alexander wrote:


> Hello Allie,

> Historians believe that on Sunday, March 31, 2002, at 5:46:13 PM, was when,
> Allie typed the following:

ACM>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
ACM>> Hash: SHA1

ACM>> @ 05:30:45 +0700 [ Mon, 1 Apr 2002], Tracer [T] thoughtfully wrote the
ACM>> following:
ACM>> ...
T>>> Leaving msgs with attachments included in the msgbase makes files
T>>> bigger and if you corrupt your emails you also lose the attachments
T>>> and those would likely be more important then the emails

ACM>> Interesting pro.

ACM>> However, if you store your attachments outside the message bodies and
ACM>> you wish to move messages to another account, you're in for trouble.
ACM>> The messages will lose the links to their respective attachments.



> << possibly snipped >>
> I use F-Prot DOS AVP *and* KAV's DOS AVP as quasi plugins flagging for
> anything  coming in with an attachment. I move the attachment (a copy)
> to  a  designated folder, run the DOS programs, flag the attachment in
> question  and  make  note  of  it when processing returns to the email
> transaction as it progresses.

Fprotect has both Fprotect and AVP scans and under NT something called
Orion.
I donot want to determine what worries me, not with as much mail as I
get.
Much better to automate it.
And this way you can use any AV product even if Norton and MCafee
still stink in my opinion...
Good for business though when they call me in to clean their systems
out...

> Putting  the filter close to the top (those trusted filters are above)
> tracks all attachments that I *may* be concerned about.

Ah, but I am concerned about all of them...
To many come from places where a virus might come from...


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Re: moving filters from installation to installation

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On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:53:25 -0600 GMT your local time,
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Dwight A Corrin wrote:


> I have two versions of TB! on my machine, for reasons which don't
> really matter, but this problem also exists with the same version on
> two machines.

> I create new filters all too often, in order to deal with surges of
> spam from spamers I haven't heard from before. Is there a way to copy
> filters from one instance to another? Can you copy them? Filters don't
> seem to be included when syncing. (It's also a big pain that lots of
> filters get reset to point to the inbox because folders get lost in
> the syncing process, but I suppose that's for another complaint)

Agreed, just having had to recover my folders, about 200 or so I find
it a real pain that when folders arent present, filters reset
themselves to inbox...
And then After getting my folders back I have the problem of all those
bad filters...
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Re[2]: Wish : new Options/Preference

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Hello Dwight A Corrin,
On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:14:20 -0600 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, February 9, 2002, 10:14:20 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Dwight A Corrin wrote:


> On Saturday, February 9, 2002, 4:53:02 AM, Dierk Haasis wrote:

>>> What I mean is, when clicking on the upper rigth cross usually used
>>> tu close the program, I want the Bat! to be minimized in the system
>>> tray (with an option)

>> Which would actually be a break of GUI standards - and it took a long
>> time to persuade MS to adhere to them. OS/2 used them with version 2.1
>> when MS still stood with Windows 3.1x.

> I can't think of anything which would be much worse for a programer to
> do than to change a program so that trying to close it in the usual
> manner would not.

Agreed...
Whats wrong with minimizing the normal way or if you want an option
which might even exist is to make the minimize goto the system tray...
However shutdown gui is Shutdown... it would be very annoying to have
one program do it different from others, especially if its one often
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Re[2]: 2 things donot work over a whole account..

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Hello Andrew K. Lovetski,
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:42:16 +0400 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, June 15, 2001, 7:42:16 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Andrew K. Lovetski wrote:


> Hello, tracer!

t>>   2. One doesnt seem to be able to export a WHOLE account. I quite
t>>   often use the Bat on my system to recover messed up mailboxes
t>>   from customers having used alternative products which got
t>>   corrupted. Again many of the the bat can read but afterall
t>>   customers also want to read their mail... I donot really like to
t>>   export folder by folder... Added what would be the simplest way
t>>   to export from the Bat back into a format that horrible outlook
t>>   express can read They will likely corrupt their stuff again
t>>   but thats what they want...

> I didn't quite understand what you want, I'm sorry. Have you tried TB
> Backup internal facility? You can backup the whole account. Or do you
> need to export the whole account into a form that can be imported by
> Outlook Express?

Allas this last
Otherwise I have to leave them with a Bat DEMO, and I have done that a
few times so that they have time to get at least their mail answered /
printed

> Then you can create a simple batch file, that will
> generate a command file for TB to export the folders, folder by
> folder. AFAIR, NT's batch files support enumerating folders. But I'm
> on Win9x now, so I cannot test it, and I can be wrong. If so, you can
> try to write a KIX script (http://kixtart.org/) to do the thing.
> You'll easily find a similar script in the website forums, and the
> only thing you'll have to do would be to alter it a bit for your
> particular need.

Seems simpler to stick them with a DEMO Bat, they may smarten up and
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Re[2]: SMTP Authentication

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Hello Günther Eisele,
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:03:44 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, June 15, 2001, 4:03:44 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Günther Eisele wrote:


> Hei,

> CaLViN wrote:

>> did someone try this and can confirm that it is working correctly?

> Do you mean RFC 2554 authentication (this works correctly e.g. with GMX,
> the largest freemail provider in Germany) or SMTP after POP, which doesn't
> work when using Alt+F2 (tested with web.de)?

I use it with myrealbox.com, no problems.


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Re[2]: Virus Protection

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Hello -=/ Cees /=-,
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:50:50 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, January 25, 2001, 5:50:50 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
-=/ Cees /=- wrote:


> Hallo Timothy,

> Thursday, January 25, 2001, 11:40:11 AM, you wrote:

TC>> Is the Bat, able to work with Norton Antivirus or is there something
TC>> better out there than Norton that you Gurus suggest.

Norton and Mc Afee are lousy.
Makes me money so please anyone near me KEEP using it (g)
today a customer with latest updates still didnt see CIH virus in his
system and he was dead lucky that yesterday (ie 26th) I was to busy to
start his PC..

I use FPROT, and its great.

> http://antivirus.ca.com Inoculate IT, it's free and it's great!

>  -=/ Cees /=-
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Re[4]: 1.49 release is here AND AGAIN NOT EVEN A BEEP FROM RITLABS!!

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Hello Florian Effenberger,
On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:46:46 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, January 06, 2001, 4:46:46 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Florian Effenberger wrote:


> Hi,

>> Try joining the announcement list. I received my announcement from
>> RIT labs about the new version early this afternoon (US).

> I didn't receive anything so far - let's wait for the things to come
> ;-)
I had my msg Jan 6 but I didnt see it

> -- Florian
>http://www.thebat.de

>German mailing list: http://liste.thebat.de
>German discussion board: http://forum.thebat.de



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Re[2]: Beta/7

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Hello Peter Hampf,
On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:16:42 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, November 18, 2000, 7:16:42 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Peter Hampf wrote:


> Hello Maxim,

> on Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:56:19 +0200 GMT your local time you wrote:

MM>> [+] %ABxxxyyy macros to extract information from the address book.

> sounds good! But how can we use them? (Exact explanation, please)

Any danger they go off and get used by soime virus?


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Re: Access violation (0040293B)

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Hello Peter Hampf,
On Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:57:20 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, November 04, 2000, 11:57:20 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Peter Hampf wrote:


> Hello Stefan,

>   another one:

>   I tried to get new mail. TB dialed out with no success and asked me to
>   "retry/abort/ignore". I clicked "retry" and got

> Access violation at address 0040293B. Read of address 01EE.

>   immediately.

>   This one is reproducable whenever TB failed to dial out once.

>   Whenever this error occurs, I have to shut down and restart TB to be
>   able to dial out again.


I have had some Accessviolations recently and while I just restarted
the Bat, I wonder if anyone else has noticed more crashes then before

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Re[2]: AUTH-UNSUB blablablaYIEEE-HAWyaddayaddaBOOMBOOMarooooooEEOOEEEOO-oH-wHAT-A-sUBJECT

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Hello MaXxX,
On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:41:55 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, October 29, 2000, 2:41:55 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
MaXxX wrote:


> You type:

MDP>> GRRR Gnash Gnash

MDP>> How many times do I have to say this? DON'T use %TO macros in folder
MDP>> templates. Don't do it: it's trouble.

> I happen to use them and they've never caused any trouble for me...

> .. maybe it's because they're in the "New Message" template, not in the reply,
> which would indeed be a stupid thing to do :)

seems to me an easy solution, mark certain macros not to be usable in
reply or produce a warning msg that usage there can be dangerous

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Re[2]: PGP 7.0 and TB 1.46d

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Hello Stefan Tanurkov,
On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 08:01:21 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, September 30, 2000, 1:01:21 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Stefan Tanurkov wrote:


> Hello Nick,

NA>> For those that may have PGP 7.0 installed, have you been able to get it to
NA>> work with TB 1.46d? I cannot, and presume that RITLabs will have to come
NA>> up with a PGP.DLL specifically for PGP 7.0

> We are going to write the plug-in when PGP v7 sources will be
> available - NAI guys constantly changing API calls and DLL names
> making it uneasy to quickly make a new plug-in each time a new version
> of PGP comes out...

Makes you wonder why.
Personally I wouldnt touch V7 unless the source code has been
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Re: PGP 7.0 and TB 1.46d

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Hello Nick Andriash,
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:16:03 -0700 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, September 30, 2000, 8:16:03 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Nick Andriash wrote:


> For those that may have PGP 7.0 installed, have you been able to get it to
> work with TB 1.46d? I cannot, and presume that RITLabs will have to come
> up with a PGP.DLL specifically for PGP 7.0

I thought beta 7.0 has expired???



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Re[2]: regular expression from Alex..

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Hello Thomas Fernandez,
On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:23:26 +0800 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, September 23, 2000, 12:23:26 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

(snip)
> A point of convenience (usability) rather than a bug, I'd think. ;-)
> Since all my templates now contain the %SingleRe macro, it's of no
> urgency to me either.

acc to Alex:

> Should we file a bug report or let Max and Stef work on TB v2? ;-)

I believe, it deserves the formal bug report... I see no logic whatsoever in how
this %ReplyCounter works, and _this_ is driving me nuts!;-(((

We cannot afford to have Alex go nuts due to  an illogical behaviour
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Re[2]: regular expression from Alex..

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Hello Christian Gassmann,
On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:34:08 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, September 22, 2000, 5:34:08 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Christian Gassmann wrote:


> Thanks for any help!

QUOTE
> BTW, on the same matter: Has anyone managed to create a regexp which
> filters out egroups banners?

Give it to them;-)


%Cursor%Quotes="%SetPattRegExp=""(?is)(.*^-BEGIN PGP SIGN
ED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*|\A-.*---.*?\n{1,})?(.*?)
(^(- --\s*\n|- ---\s*\n|--\s*\n|---\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-BEG
IN PGP SIGNATURE)|\z)""%RegExpBlindMatch=""%text""%SubPatt=""3"""


If you like to match _only_ eGroups banners with this one, try substituting
"--_->" (w/o quotes)
for
"--.*?" in above regexp, but I can give no warranty that eGroups
will not change their delimiter... Besides, the "general syntax" gegexp works
well against other "group banners" I have encountered so far. It will only fail
if the message contains a long enough sequence of dashes in the body of the
message or in the signature.

Credits: Peter Steiner, Marck D. Pearlstone. I have somewhat edited the last
anti-PGP-sig macro suggested by Marck because I wanted to target both goals with
one regexp: to both strip off PGP stuff and to cut away the group banners...

EOQ


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Friday, September 22, 2000

I received reg expression from Alex.
The part applicable from his message is quoted.
I am not to sure what it does ...
Quote

BTW, here's a brand
new regexp for you to take care of those subjects like
Re: Fwd: Re[4]: Ha: Fwd: Re[56]: The Bat! vs. Eudora;-):


%Subject="Re:%SetPattRegExp=""(?i)\A\:?(\s*(re|ha|rcpt|fwd)(\[\d*\])?:\s*)*(.*)""%RegExpBlindMatch=""%OSubj""%SubPatt=""4"""


I'd be interested in finding out how the %ReplyCounter macro works though: if
you change the Re:%SetPattRegExp above with %ReplyCounter%SetPattRegExp, it
doesn't seem to work as expected. Any secrets there?;-)

EOQ

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Re[2]: More fun with XLAT tables

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Hello Ming-Li,
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 05:20:24 -0700 GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, September 06, 2000, 7:20:24 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Ming-Li wrote:


> On Tuesday, September 05, 2000, 9:01:20 PM, Thomas wrote:

>> I guess it's because I don't have monospaced Thai fonts. I looked
>> at www.inet.co.th/support, but they only have TT. Does anybody
>> know where I could find monospaced Thai fonts? Alternatively, what
>> was the registry hack to allow True Type in TB?

> I think you mixed up TT fonts with proportional fonts. TT could be
> monospaced, like the built-in Courier New font. For your purpose,
> you'll need the Courier New font from a Thai Windows, though.
> Following the link you mentioned (www.inet.co.th/support), you can
> find monospace Thai fonts at

> http://thaigate.rd.nacsis.ac.jp/refer/windows/thai-ns.html#w95-s1

Thomas that font I send you in the past should do and anyway just let
me know what font you need from Thai windows Shouldnt be any
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Re[2]: More fun with XLAT tables

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Hello Thomas Fernandez,
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:01:20 +0800 GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, September 06, 2000, 11:01:20 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Thomas Fernandez wrote:


> Hello John,

> On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 03:02:26 +0100GMT (06/09/2000, 10:02 +0800GMT),
> John Sullivan wrote:

JS>> So I've put up the XLAT tables for The Bat at:

JS>> http://www.kanargh.force9.co.uk/tb-xlat/xlat-win-874.reg
JS>> http://www.kanargh.force9.co.uk/tb-xlat/xlat-8859-11.reg

> I've installed these, but Thai emails still display as garbage. OK,
> it's ISO-8859-2 garbage now, not Chinese characters any more , but
> then.

> I guess it's because I don't have monospaced Thai fonts. I looked at
> www.inet.co.th/support, but they only have TT. Does anybody know where
> I could find monospaced Thai fonts? Alternatively, what was the
> registry hack to allow True Type in TB?

Thomas, I thought I send you one in the past. That one is mislaid here
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Re[2]: Fwd: Thawte PGP Support

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Hello Deryk Lister,
On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:01:52 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, August 04, 2000, 8:01:52 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Deryk Lister wrote:


> Hi phil,
> On Friday 04/08/2000 at 11:47, you wrote:

>> What does this mean for someone who doesn't have a key by Sept 1,
>> 2000, or for those that have a key, but the year is now 2001?

> If they don't get a key by then, they won't be able to get it signed
> by Thawte.  If they do have one, it will stay valid - at least for a
> year I think.
> In other words, if you don't have it signed by them yet then it's a
> good idea to do so ASAP before it's too late :)

> Don't know why they are going for S/MIME. It's very
> Microsoft-flavoured (ie. bloated), especially in the fact that it
> makes signed messages huge, whereas PGP sigs are quite small - and it
> takes a lot of effort and money to get yourself a decent certificate
> (ie with your name on and better than a measly 1024 bit RSA).

want to bet thats one of the reasons? There is money to be made by
those keys  if controllable.

> Far prefer PGP myself. Free, secure, no harder to use, much less
> bloated.

and free, not controlled by any of the big companies.
Ok, commercial pgp may be but there isnt much they can do about
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Re[2]: 1.46 Beta/1 is now available

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Hello Syafril Hermansyah,
On Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:16:20 +0700 GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, August 02, 2000, 12:16:20 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Syafril Hermansyah wrote:


> Hello Stefan Tanurkov,

> Responding  to  your  article  on  Monday, July 31, 2000 at 18:36:44 GMT
> +0300 (which was 02/08/2000 22:36 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :


ST>>   What are other urgent issues please? :-)

> Would you mind to add "confirmation" when exit from The Bat!, especially
> if clicking "X" icon on right top windows.
> Sometimes  I click wrong "X" icon windows, I want to close other windows
> but actually closing The Bat! :-(

I wouldnt mind having a proper closing button instead of that right
top corner thing.
I clicked it as well several times by mistake on a cluttered screen...



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Re[3]: Disaster

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Hello Daniel Marczisovszky,
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:08:10 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, July 29, 2000, 4:08:10 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Daniel Marczisovszky wrote:


> Hi Marck, Ming-Li and everybody out there.

> I was really in a bad mood this morning, but now I see there is
> nothing to do, so I'll try to forget it quickly.

> I'm using Windows NT4.0 SP6. Only TB! 1.45beta1 was running. I had
> _really_ a lot of work during the last few weeks, so I had no time to
> follow betas. Only TB! was running.

> This morning I woke up early, I have just finished developing a
> software that I wanted to send. At 6.50AM I fetched all my mail. I
> created the mail with the software (the attached file was about ~600K)
> and I put it in the Outbox, but I did not send it since I wanted to
> check the software before sending it. I exited from TB! and checked my
> software in Delphi. After that (7:19AM) I restarted TB! and pressed
> the Receive button, so TB! started to send the big mail, but I did not
> notice that all of my folders show 0 messages, since it was really
> early in the morning. When I realized it, I stopped sending. I
> received two mails. The interesting is at this time TB! could fetch
> mails, I restarted it, and after that even my account settings were
> gone, so I had to re-enter the smtp's address.

One question, you say you wanted to check YOUR software, does that mean
running it under windows?
if yes, any chance your own software did it as seemingly thats the
only thing you ran between a succesful mailrun and a run with lost
data

why donot you copy the bat to a different place and try to repeat that
test you did under Delphi and see if the problem reoccurs...


> (I have experiences recovering harddrives, even when the partition or
> the partition table is unavaible, but recovering from a 6gig NTFS
> partition is almost impossible; Tiramisu has not found anything...)

Its not difficult I do it all the time but it needs time and a large
high speed system.
secondly if files were replaced you likely would not find the old one
in tiramisu anyway.

> I have four accounts. The active account is Daniel. All of directories
> are at their place, although their access time was set to 7:19AM.

> In the folder of Daniel I've found account.* files, but they were
> either 0-length or they stored those settings (flx) that you find when
> have a new TB! installation.

> In the other three accounts all of the files were deleted. The
> registry settings are correct, I've exported it yesterday, when I
> decided to upgrade to 1.45. (I upgraded to 1.45 only a few minutes
> ago.)

> If there is any detail I forget to mention, please ask it. Hopefully
> it will help.

> I'm sure TB! did it, since only TB specific files were removed.

Check that testrun you did... afterall thats the only thing you did
and we didnt


> Best wishes,
> Daniel


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Re[2]: Disaster

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Hello Curtis,
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:38:31 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, July 29, 2000, 2:38:31 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Curtis wrote:


> On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:15:45 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

> 

MDP>> Look,  I  fully  accept that this has happened to you. However, I have
MDP>> seen  no  evidence  to  warrant  blaming  TB  for the problem you have
MDP>> experienced. I have seen no reason to support the initial reaction you
MDP>> expressed to this User Discussion List.

MDP>> N.B.:  I  am  not one of the authors of The Bat, I do not work for RIT
MDP>> labs  and have nothing to gain by saying it's not TB's fault. I'm just
MDP>> expressing an opinion based on the evidence.

> . and I wholeheartedly share your view here Marck that the
> problem most likely does *not* lie with TB!. It's may sound rough and
> presumptuous, but my strong suspicion is that the problem lies between
> chair and keyboard/mouse when something bizarre as this happens. I speak
> from calamities that I've witnessed and experienced personally,
> especially when the system was not defective when the mishap occurred.

well, having had to recover yesterday 5 years accounting data as
someone had fdisked a drive with 2 partitions into ONE and that with
the data still on it...
I got it back, including all his napster stuff (g)

Ok, something like this happning worries me but having gone through
many betas I can not see how it could be the Bat doing this.
About the only logical way I could explain it is if your program / exe
have ended up in a different place or if you havent recreated the
account with the same account name.
If something like this happens forget the program to run your data. Go
and browse in your system and look at any file there is. do a search
on file extensions.
I have had it with MS Outlook lost mail from customers it had ended up
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Re: (No Subject)

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Hello Scott Guthrie,
On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:49:33 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, July 22, 2000, 12:49:33 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Scott Guthrie wrote:


> Greetings Fellow Bat Beta Testers,

> Check this article from PC Week out - just goes to prove The Bat!
> Rocks!

> Another security hole found in Outlook

> Special Report: A newly discovered vulnerability
> in Microsoft's e-mail clients could give outsiders
> access to a remote PC just by sending it a message.

> http://www.eweek.com/a/pcwt0007053/2605668/

It was found a month ago or so but as someone managed to get it on a
security bulletin, Ms got forced in releasing the fix. No idea if it
works properly (g).
Anyway same bug is likely in all their windows ME cd's which they are
currently pressing...


> Cheers,
>  Scott  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/11
> under Windows 98 4.10 Build   A
> on an AMD K6-II 233 with 128MB SDRAM (Must Upgrade...Must Upgrade...)

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> Version: 2.6

> iQCVAwUAOXiNMItvS3NO9SxfAQHKbAQA4DlMOYTkC3Z+hbLWg2LWJDh0sK81Xpjn
> L7vNcu88HpYBupuP4p6gSjV3o8zHAhMxJNiYjjJlqf4PC87z5MgmWt9O6vHy7Qdp
> QyynNDaQ/pXDnuiWPicfbZDKXX6bC7B7TFClsgpdtU62KSP4HapGNCgOC8gEHRQ0
> sYW2qea157s=
> =kEdU
> -END PGP SIGNATURE-

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Re: How Do You Install a Certificate on Two Computers?

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Hello Ron Mura,
On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:37:45 -0400 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, July 22, 2000, 12:37:45 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Ron Mura wrote:


> I send and receive e-mail (same address) from two computers, one at
> home and one at work.  I got a class 1 certificate from TC Trustcenter
> (http://www.trustcenter.de) and installed it on one computer.  It all
> went fine.  If I try to install the certificate on the other computer,
> I get a message that says "Error. Installation of your certificate
> failed. Please use the identical browser you used for the certificate
> request."  (I am using the same identical browser _version_.)

> I don't know if TC Trustcenter would let me apply for another
> certificate for the same e-mail address from the second computer.
> Does anyone know what the procedure is supposed to be to install one
> certificate on multiple computers (or multiple partitions on the same
> machine)?

more importantly, if they insist on the same browser or so, what if
one changes OS or whatever or MS in case of ie changes things, could
that mean keys will not work? It shouldnt make any difference to them
what browser is used.

> Ron Mura




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Re[2]: Importing Certificates

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On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:36:16 -0700 GMT your local time,
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Nick Andriash wrote:


> On Friday, July 21, 2000, 9:58:39 AM, Michael Wilson wrote:

MW>>  I want to import certificates and have them appear in the listing
MW>>   for the person who owns the certificate (in the address book).  I
MW>>   right click on the certificate and choose import, and nothing
MW>>   happens.  Any advice is welcome.

> Michael, that "Import" option you refer to actually say "Import Key",
> and refers to PGP's Public Keys... nothing really to do with S/MIME. If
> you want to import someone's Certificate into the Certificate tab of
> their respective Address Book entry, then you must do it via the
> Filters: Incoming Mail/Actions/Add address(es) to Address Book.

>>From that point on, everyone you depict in that Filter, sending you an
> S/MIME signed message, will have their Certificates imported to their
> respective Address Book entries. :o)

needs a rightclick etc to store it or whatever.. One shouldnt have to
use filters


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Re[2]: "Auto Save" and S/MIME "Sign when completed"

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Hello Marck D. Pearlstone,
On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:57:20 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, July 20, 2000, 8:57:20 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:


> Hi Christian,

> On 20 July 2000 at 08:21:40 GMT -0500 (which was 14:21 where I
> live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
> of ""Auto Save" and S/MIME "Sign when completed"":

MM>>>> [-] Save Draft & AutoSave do not try sign/encrypt a message (1.45
MM>>>> Beta/9)

MDP>>> What is this thread about? Has this beta/11 fix not worked?

CD>> I  wasn't  aware  of Beta/11 when I posted my initial message. Yes, it
CD>> works  fine  in  Beta/11.  Just  as  if the developers read my mind or
CD>> something! :)

> Just  my  (not so) subtle way of calling a "dead horse" on the thread,
> which  seemed  to  be  meandering  on  despite  no  longer bearing any
> relationship to the realities involved ;-).

we shouldnt have to expect 2 betas in one day (g)


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Re[2]: no valid signing certificates! What's up?!?!

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On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:49:46 -0500 GMT your local time,
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Curtis wrote:


> On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:58:07 +0700, tracer wrote:

t>> Just a question, do you use a firewall??? (g)

> You had to ask Phil that tracer??!!!  I could've answered
> that with certainty for you.

ok, so could I...


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Re[4]: Signature, Schmignature.

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Hello phil,
On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:18:41 -0700 GMT your local time,
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phil wrote:


> Aye Jason!

> On  Thursday, July 20, 2000  at  03:49:05 GMT -0700 (which was 3:49 AM where you 
>think I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

JT>> Hello Steve and Bat Buddies...

JT>> 

JT>> This is all very interesting and thought-provoking speculation, Steve.
JT>> But do you have any reason other than _speculation_ to believe all
JT>> this? Have you seen any tangible evidence of such widespread
JT>> governmental snooping? To me, all this sounds like just another
JT>> conspiracy theory. :-)
> It isn't "theory" anymore.  It's reality.

>   http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/cybernews/cyber5_0717.html
>   
>http://www.newsmax.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?sort=Score&format=Long&method=All&config=&restrict=&exclude=&words=carnivore

>   It's called carnivore.  It's already disrupted Earthlink.net

Its old stuff already...


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Re[9]: no valid signing certificates! What's up?!?!

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Hello phil,
On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:34:03 -0700 GMT your local time,
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phil wrote:



>>>>> Is there ever going to be a way, to install a certificate without
>>>>> having to install a web server or Microsoft Internet Explorer or some
>>>>> other intrusive or utterly complex piece of software

rgdn>>>> i read in a previous post that you used Navigator ; what's wrong with that ?? 
rgdn>>>> was a piece of cake with Nav. 4.72 ...

>>> It won{t log on the website.

t>> Same with Opera...

t>> I cannot even log on with IE...

t>> Just a question, do you use a firewall??? (g)
> Yeah. I do.  So what port[s] are /is they trying to get into?

To be honest I donot know, my system is set to kill anything which
isnt normal as I have been messing with hardware a lot and am just
back to have my permanent system since 6 hours ago.
I cannot get anywhere near that website, with any browser...

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Re[2]: Signature, Schmignature.

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Hash: SHA1

Hello Thomas Fernandez,
On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:17:23 +0800 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, July 20, 2000, 6:17:23 PM (GMT+0700) my local
time,
Thomas Fernandez wrote:


> Hello Jason,

> On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:49:05 -0700GMT (20/07/2000, 18:49 +0800GMT),
> Jason Thompson wrote:

JT>> But do you have any reason other than _speculation_ to believe
all
JT>> this?

> Will articles in DER SPIEGEL be sufficient for you? Many other
> repectable news media have reported about this over the last couple
> of years. The issue in Germany is that the U.S. FBI is allowed a
> lot more spying on the private citizen in the U.S. than what is
> allowed to the government in Germany according to the Basic Law
> (constitution).
> Privacy issues are very big in Germany, but the U.S. government
> wants the same access to email, phone calls, etc, as they have in
> the
> States. The system is called Echelon. For the fist time ever
> journalists were let into the listening plant (center) on German
> ground.

> Echelon and privacy were part of the dissonances during Clinton's
> most recent visit to Berlin.

JT>> Have you seen any tangible evidence of such widespread
JT>> governmental snooping? To me, all this sounds like just another
JT>> conspiracy theory. :-)

> Hope you don't mean that the news media are conspiring against the
> government ;-)

They are, they havent got a clue whats really happening...
what you read is the proverbial bone.
You think the germans arent snooping? even the French are...


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-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
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iQA/AwUBOXbiQM/5+ZpP4fP3EQJlmgCeL//bc2Y+J5gtHuD4WvPlTd7wl6UAoPMX
nHwJyFZNVeWtKl1izRaISdUj
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Re[4]: Signature, Schmignature.

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Hello Graham Foster,
On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:04:00 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, July 20, 2000, 6:04:00 PM (GMT+0700) my local
time,
Graham Foster wrote:


> Hello Jason Thompson

>> This is all very interesting and thought-provoking speculation,
>> Steve. But do you have any reason other than _speculation_ to
>> believe all this? Have you seen any tangible evidence of such
>> widespread
>> governmental snooping? To

> Well - there has been a great deal of press about it in national
> and specialist computer press in the UK. US Gov wanting specialist
> mail scanning ("Carnivore") boxes attached to every mail hub in the
> USA.. UK Gov. wanting ISP to allow gov. to scan e-mail and passing
> legislation to make it illegal to not divulge a password to secured
> systems when they ask you for it... UK GCHQ has had a central
> electronic communications scanning system for several years.

I was living next to one 16 years ago and it had been there for quite
a few years...

> Not paranoia - it is real - its just that most people don't want to
> know.

> Still I don't suppose TBBeta mailing list is really THAT world
> shatteringly important :-)

depends what you write on them and from where...
if your mail goes via  any of the main nodes, it gets scanned.

> Graham


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Re[3]: Signature, Schmignature.

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Hello Jason Thompson,
On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:49:05 -0700 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, July 20, 2000, 5:49:05 PM (GMT+0700) my local
time,
Jason Thompson wrote:


> Hello Steve and Bat Buddies...

> 

> This is all very interesting and thought-provoking speculation,
> Steve. But do you have any reason other than _speculation_ to
> believe all this? Have you seen any tangible evidence of such
> widespread
> governmental snooping? To me, all this sounds like just another
> conspiracy theory. :-)

Jason, they already did it in the Uk 30 years ago with phones.

Its well known, the system exists, has been used for at least as long
as Internet exists, its the reason AOL was able to pay that silly
amount for ICQ and in short, YES.
100% sure. You havent even got a clue how much they can see. Which is
why likely the whole pgp is having a second key with a nice backdoor
provided my Ms which otherwise would have had the kick years ago.
The USA NEEDS an OS with backdoors all over the place used worldwide.

You want security, essentially forget any product provided by any
main
USA, UK, French and likely Russian provider...

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Re[2]: Certs and future stuff

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On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:51:11 -0500 GMT your local time,
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Curtis wrote:


> On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 05:42:13 +0100, John Sullivan wrote:

>>> Would you care to explain that. I use version 6.5.3 of PGP and I use
>>> S/MIME.

JS>> I don't doubt. As I said, I *could* have the wrong end of the stick
JS>> completely. (I am using 6.0, not 6.5, though. I don't know what effect
JS>> this might have on The Bat! though.)

> You're still using v1.42 beta19? I can understand the older
> version but why a beta of it? :-)

JS>> Your signing key (0xee079937 F548 15D2 2799 EC9A ACF2 B429 F017 7921
JS>> EE07 9937) is a DH/DSS one. Do you use the exactly the same key with
JS>> S/MIME?

> Yes.

JS>>  Is that The Bat!'s implementation of S/MIME?

> Yes.

JS>>  Do you have a certificate for that key from a well-known root CA?

> I'm not sure what you mean (spanking new to all this:-O)I got my
> certificate from Thawte.

JS>> If so, I thought The Bat! only supported S/MIME using its internal
JS>> crypto implementation. I thought that *that* only supported RSA keys.
JS>> And I thought (based on TBBETA posts) that they were only allowed for
JS>> S/MIME if a valid root-CA signed certificate was present.

> Well, PGP and S/MIME may be applied separately. When I apply the
> PGP signature, the plugin is used to do this.

JS>> Signature is algorithmically correct, but I don't know you and your
JS>> public key doesn't appear to be signed by anyone at all (let alone
JS>> anyone I trust), so I won't self-sign it just yet ;-)

> No, it hasn't been signed by anyone. You've hit on a point that
> has concerned me. Most people whom I've received public keys from have
> not had theirs signed by anyone.

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Re[2]: an error occured while...

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Hello Ming-Li,
On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:55:08 -0700 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, July 16, 2000, 10:55:08 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Ming-Li wrote:


> Hi SyP,

>> Whenever I delete an attachment from one of my folders, TB says:

>>  Error:
>>  An error occured while reading the message base [full path].
>>  Do you want to repair the message base now?

>> I say yes, and some seconds later TB deletes the attachment.
>> It occurs every time with this folder.

> I don't have a clue what's wrong, but I would suggest first compress
> the folder to clean up deleted messages, and see if the problem goes
> away. If not, you may create another folder, move all messages from
> the problematic folder to the new one, and see how it goes.

I would first backup that folder, Just in case after compression its
more sick then before...

> If still unsolved, there might be some currupt message(s). Try to
> remember when this started, and move all messages before that date
> (or a few days earlier to be safe) to yet another new folder, and
> see if you can isolate it. Another method is to export all (recent)
> messages to a text file and examine it with an editor. Back to when
> I was using Outlook Express and Eudora, I was amazed to see garbage
> data crept into my mail from time to time. I've never seen this with
> TB, yet. But you might want to check it out.


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Re: S/MIME

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Hello Maxim Masiutin,
On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:05:07 +0300 GMT your local time,
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Maxim Masiutin wrote:


> Hello TBBETA!

>   Beta/8 version supports both PGP and S/MIME, there is a brief
>   description of how The Bat! S/MIME implementation works.

>   S/MIME implementation is build upon own codebase which has not yet
>   been tested. Do not use it for production purposes until testing
>   phase has been complete, but your feedback is very much appreciated!

Ie we cannot use it as it may screw up our system but IF we use it
you like to know how we did it (g)
No complaint... I know...



>   S/MIME implementation allows singing / encryption and verificaton /
>   decryption of entire messages, i.e. messages with attachments,
>   nested messages, digests and so on.

>   This message is signed. If you see an attachment "smime.p7s" than
>   you are using (old) version of The Bat! that didn't support S/MIME.
>   New version of The Bat! (which supports S/MIME) should display an
>   attachment called "Valid Signature". Clicking this "attachment"
>   shows signature details, i.e. which signers have signed (in
>   parallel) the message and their certificate status.

>   Same for encrypted message - if an e-mail client do not support
>   S/MIME it displays "smime.p7m" attachment, otherwise The Bat! it
>   shows an attachment called "S/MIME Encrypted Message". Opening this
>   attachment decrypts the message to memory and shows it in a
>   separate window; you may then reply, forward, redirect, print, copy
>   it into specified folder, etc.

>   If you go to "Account|Properties|Options|Message Editor Settings"
>   you will see "Apply PGP" and "Apply S/MIME" checkboxes there, as
>   well as "Encrypt when complete" and "Sign when Complete". These are
>   the defaults for appropriate "Privacy" menu check-items of Message
>   Editor. However, %SIGNCOMPLETE/%ENCRYPTCOMPLETE macros work as well,
>   and if you are replying an encrypted message, "Encrypt when
>   complete" check-item in message editor will also be automatically
>   checked, making you to encrypt the reply also.
  

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Re[2]: Boo

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Hello Nick Danger,
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:14:06 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, June 21, 2000, 2:14:06 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Nick Danger wrote:


> In Reference to "Boo" From Steve Lamb:   

S>>  Rats, I get booted for a few months and it all goes down the tubes.  :)

> Welcome back Steve!  I know I'm in the minority but I always enjoyed
> your insight and opinions, even with the sometimes rather edgy
> delivery.  Then again, I have skin as thick as rhinocero's hide and am
> almost entirely incapable of getting my feelings or ego (if I have
> any) hurt.

Sounds like you are in support (g)
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Re[2]: Empty Subject Reminder

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Hello Stefan Tanurkov,
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:37:13 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, June 19, 2000, 7:37:13 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Stefan Tanurkov wrote:


> Hello Thomas,

TF>> Nice. Question: I can uncheck "always show this warning". If I uncheck
TF>> it and later I change my mind, where do I re-enable (dis-disable) it?

> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Empty Subject Warning
> registry key value should be set to 1...

Stephan, seems something in options as it shouldnt be necessary to
grab regedit to reset a thing like that...
Ok, I will switch it off anyway (g) so it doesnt bother me that much
but I dislike a requirement by normal users to touch regedit while a
menu should be all that they need with less potential disastreous
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Hello Syafril Hermansyah,
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:20:18 +0700 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, June 19, 2000, 11:20:18 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Syafril Hermansyah wrote:


> Hello tracer,

t>> On the other hand hitting the bystanders using often misused / abused
t>> servers  is  a  fairly practical way to force the servers involved to
t>> improve their mail delivery system.

t>> One may not like it as a victim but if it helps cutting down spam and
t>> isolating  servers used for it as they will loose legal users, it may
t>> in the long run have a positiv effect.

> Ah  yes you right, I forgot about the other useful side of this ORBS/RBL
> anti  spam. I think for Public ListServer we don't need it much, but for
> corporate  MailServer  it  will  be help a much, even not 100% effective
> such case of "valid domain but not valid user".

> I  saw  several  spammers nowadays using this trick, for instance he use
> e-mail  address  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  , the mailbox itself not valid, but
> domain  is valid, and he/she is sending using domain.com's MTA ( in fact
> not  Open  Relay) using Dial Up Account. Any idea how to avoid this kind
> of spammers ?

As far as I am concerned any server should enforce password / logon to
its smtp and make it a combo smtp / pop mailsend operation.
That should in all likelyhood keep spammers away.
Obviously it cannot cope with remote dialing in and sending via a
server far away like those run by www.myrealbox.com.
On the other hands as ISP its easy as if the spammer is local you have
his phonenumber he used to dialin so even if the name is fake, there
shouldnt be any problem catching him.
We caught ourselves an internet cafe here which had decided to cut costs
and use other peoples accounts to dial in. Every time his phone gets
loggedHe was stupid enough to try it on a friends account so we
know who it is and where. Biggest problem will be to have the Thais
admit they got one of those nonexisting internet problems and take
action.
Anyway, if they donot, the guy will likely not enjoy his stays on the
internet...
To run an internet cafe he needs to be on line and he has all those
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Re[3]: Cookies...

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Hello wie,
On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:36:31  +0700 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, June 01, 2000, 11:36:31 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
wie wrote:


> @HOME, 01.06.2000 - 11:33

> Hi Marck D. Pearlstone, Shalom!

> 31.05.2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

MDP>> Suggestion:

MDP>> Use  a  "subst"  command in your autoexec.bat to map an
MDP>> extra  drive  letter  (say "K:") to the path containing
MDP>> your  extra  /  cookie  files and set your templates to
MDP>> refer  to  the  substituted  drive letter. That way you
MDP>> only  have  to change the subst command when your drive
MDP>> letter changes.
> [wie]:
> Thanks  a  lot  Marck!,... I know about subst command,.. but
> never thing to use it with TB!

Now I thought that subst had died a death acc to MS since windows 3.1
or 95
I forgot as I was on all those betas for ages...
Does it still work?

> Thanks again... :-)

> Have a Nice Day 'n Big God Bless You!


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Re[8]: 1.44

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Hello Stefan Tanurkov,
On Mon, 29 May 2000 08:08:38 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, May 29, 2000, 12:08:38 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Stefan Tanurkov wrote:


> Hello tracer,

t>> But I donot agree having to go into the registry to change it.
t>> There IS an administrators menu somewhere anyway, why not add this to
t>> it?

> The problem is that a single "stupid" user on a single machine (i.e. without
> administrator) should not have easy access to this feature. The only
> thing I can think of is a secret key combination. But using .REG
> files seems to be more practical especially within large networks -
> you do not want to type those values in on each machine even using the
> nicest interface, do you? ;-)

The problem is that I could do that over the network anyway but if
you have administrators settings, normal users shouldnt be able to
change them and also. what about the bulk of email users?
They havent got a clue what they are doing and imagine they test the
Bat as potential emailer and get these warnings and cannot get rid of
them OR modify them.
if I would set up the BAT as administrator they shouldnt be able to
get to any settings even via the registry.
If its their own system, they should have the right to deactivate
things they donot like.
if it means they get caught by a virus, their problem.
If potential customers see those banners they may cost you lost
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Re[6]: 1.44

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On Sun, 28 May 2000 19:14:31 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, May 29, 2000, 12:14:31 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Marek Mikus wrote:


> Hello all,
> Sunday, May 28, 2000, MaXxX wrote:

>> I wholeheartedly agree.
>> Placing some configuration options in the registry ONLY is a REALLY bad
>> practice of Microsoft. If it stays this way, someone will sooner or later
>> write a simple program that will edit the options for the users - and, this
>> little program's main motto will be "I had to write this program, because The
>> Bat's developers didn't leave those options ANYWHERE for the user to set up!"

>> Those options, as well as the lists of files to warn/disable, SHOULD be in the
>> configuration somewhere, and either password-protected, or marked with a big
>> red "WARNING - DANGEROUS OPTIONS AHEAD". If someone ignores the warning,
>> screws their settings up and runs all possible viri and worms - it's THEIR
>> responsibility. They've been warned.

> This is a Stefan's answer to similar mail:

> 
> Well, the information stored in registry is user-dependent. It is
> stored in the registry to make it possible to define different
> configurations for different Windows profiles.

> Account-dependent information is kept in the ACCOUNT.* files.
> 

> I agree with him.

But I donot agree having to go into the registry to change it.
There IS an administrators menu somewhere anyway, why not add this to
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Re[2]: 1.44

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Hello Allie Martin,
On Sun, 28 May 2000 11:02:50 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, May 28, 2000, 11:02:50 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Allie Martin wrote:


> On Sun, 28 May 2000 08:42:58 -0700, Nick Andriash wrote:

NA>> I've checked my Registry, and all I can see is the following two entries:

NA>> ProtectAllowOpen
NA>> *.JPG,*.JPEG,*.PNG,*.GIF,*.BMP,*.ICO,*.WMF,*.EMF,*.VCF,*.EML,*.MSG

NA>> ProtectDisableOpen
NA>> HAPPY99.EXE,LOVELETTER*.VBS

> Strange. I see the another entry there:

> ProtectWarnOpen  :  *.*,*.EXE,*.COM,*.BAT,*.CMD,*.VBS,*.JS,*.PL,*.BAS,*.JAVA,*.REG

> These are very straightforward entries for administrators to
> manipulate and it's location will definitely ward off the unwary which
> is the intention.

> I see no problem with it as is tracer ... :-)

You would if you are an administrator and have more then one system...

imagine the fun if someone writes a virus to just add *.msg to
protection for the BAT.
First special antibat virus created...


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Re[5]: Delphi on Linux

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Hello phil,
On Fri, 26 May 2000 07:06:45 -0700 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, May 26, 2000, 9:06:45 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
phil wrote:


> Aye SyP!

> On  Thursday, May 25, 2000  at  22:31:25 GMT +0200 (which was 1:31 PM where you 
>think I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

S>> Hello The Bat! beta users and developers,

S>> MaXxX wrote on 5/25/2000, 10:30 PM

M>>> Hello tracer and all you Batters out there.

>>>>> Anyway, TB! would be nice on the Penguin.

t>>>> A flying penguin (g)

M>>> SORRY FOR THE BINARY, GUYS! I JUST COULDN'T HELP MYSELF!! :D

S>> Now how can I tell TB to use it as splash image? :)

> Try using "exescope."

load the expanded bat and just find the main screen, highlight entry
on the left, you see the Bat on the right.
IMPORT the posted Linux bat save it off and you have a modified screen
I just did it...

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Re: Group templates, etc.-- response from programming staff is needed.

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Hello Stan Robins,
On Sun, 7 May 2000 11:27:12 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, May 07, 2000, 11:27:12 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Stan Robins wrote:


> Hi TBBETA,

> It seems to me that the programming staff of TB could solve the issue
> on the spot by answering these questions here in the list:

seems to ME that by asking this way you essentially thell the users on
this list not to bother to answer...

I by far prefer them to work on V2 instead on answering questions
which likely can be answered by the list...

> Is the address book contact group feature primarily for the purpose of
> grouping contact addresses for group-addressed messages as I contend,
> or is it primarily for the purpose of grouping templates for
> INDIVIDUALLY ADDRESSED messages as Allie Martin contends?

> How does one account for the behavior of TB when an address book
> contact belongs to more than one contact group?

> If the contact groups are NOT primarily for the purpose of grouping
> contact addresses for group-addressed messages, what is the preferred
> mechanism for this purpose?

> If the contact groups are NOT primarily for the purpose of grouping
> templates, what is the preferred mechanism for this purpose? (My
> answer: folder templates.)


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Re: Deleting Accounts

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Hello Quin Selman,
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:07:54 -0600 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, April 27, 2000, 4:07:54 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Quin Selman wrote:


> Hello TBUDL,

>   I deleted three accounts today. After going to Accounts | Delete we
>   get a little dialog asking if we'd like to leave the account files on
>   the disk or do we want to delete them. With all three
>   accounts I chose to delete the files and in all three cases The Bat!
>   left the files on the disk. I don't know if this was true on versions
>   prior to 1.42b19. Does anyone confirm?

I happened to delete ONE account a few days ago as i forgot the
password and it wasnt used anyway.
All is gone

> Best regards,
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Re[3]: Another Wish...

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Hello phil,
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:44:03 -0700 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, April 27, 2000, 2:44:03 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
phil wrote:


> Greetings Allie!

> On Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 13:16:06 GMT -0500 (which was 11:16 AM
> where you think I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

AM>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:41:33 +0200, SyP wrote:

AM>>>> Really? How do you record your appointments or keep a diary? Do you
AM>>>> have a 'to do' list or are you provided with a calender? :-)
> Project 97, 98 or 2000 or whatever it's called is pretty good according to
> the sources I know.  If it doesn't allow interfacing to a *real* email
> client like the bat, then maybe someone should bitch to microsoft
> about that.   But if your on an intranet anyway, then how much does an
> email client matter.  Unless your like a government contract, and then
> they all use microcrp anyways.   Just look HOW EFFICIENT the
> government is right now!!!

>>> Hehe, I was just day-dreaming...
>>> But then, someone could use the memo field, or write messages to
>>> himself, etc.
> I wouldn't read it probably.  Or rather it's likely that I won't read
> it.  It being the memo field.  I would use that for something
> more specific.  Even so, I still probably wont read it until after the
> fact.  I ain't saying to remove it, but Hell I'll never use it.

AM>> Righto there!! :-))  Or just use a real PIM in the same spirit as using a
AM>> real e-mail client. :-)))
> Huh?  The bat *is* an email client.  A Pim is a pim is a pim.  I hope
> the bat is never turned into a pim with all that extra bloat.  If
> there is a way for the bat to be used "within" a PIM like lotus or
> whatever.. then great!   But I don't need it myself.

> Bubba., I'm bored, don't get mad for me saying what I think ;o)


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Re[4]: another problem with filtering II

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Hello Stefan Tanurkov,
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:37:14 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, April 27, 2000, 1:37:14 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Stefan Tanurkov wrote:


> Good [morning|afternoon|day|evening|night]  tracer,

It varies a bit, I know (g)

t>> having an ISP with many breakdowns, my great thanks for the delete
t>> duplicate stuff in ALL folders.

> You are welcome!

t>> Is there any way thoug that  mails can be downloaded without having
t>> to download old stuff again...

> Keep messages on the server for one day - this would help. We are
> going implement other way of downloading mail with subsequent
> deletion, but it will be a bit slower than it is now...

maybe give uses a choice in preferences, efficient and fast or slower
but no need to do it  twice or more times if thrown out. I needed
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Re[2]: UTF encoding (was:Re: 1.42 Beta/19 is now available)

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Hello

TF>> Chinese
TF>> characters starting after the third "f", but the very last character
TF>> is an lower-case o-umlaut. Obviously the translation worked in the
TF>> attachment but not in the message body. Hmmm.

Thomas I send you an email I received in Thai off list which seems to
confirm this but note I didnt follow the thread as I am flooded with
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Re: UTF encoding

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Hello Thomas Fernandez,
On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:06:07 +0800 GMT your local time,
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Thomas Fernandez wrote:


> Hallo tracer,

> thanks for the HTML attachment in Thai, but it displayed as Chinese
> characters. I assume the reason is that there is no header in your
> message saying:

> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="utf-8"

Since the last updates I see no utf-8 anywhere (unless I look in the
wrong place)
What I send shows Thai in the html, but the normal garbage in the text

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Re[3]: UTF encoding

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Hello SyP,
On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:15:26 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, April 24, 2000, 4:15:26 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
SyP wrote:


> Hello The Bat! beta users and developers,

> Alexander V. Kiselev wrote at 4/23/2000, 10:46 PM

AVK>> Hi there!

AVK>> On 24 Apr 00, at 4:06, Thomas Fernandez wrote
AVK>> about "UTF encoding":

>>> thanks for the HTML attachment in Thai, but it displayed as Chinese
>>> characters. I assume the reason is that there is no header in your
>>> message saying:
>>> 
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>>> charset="utf-8"

> Pardon me?
> I lost the thread a bit.

> IIRC, Thomas got from me one UTF-7 + one UTF-8 messages, which
> displayed but without high-characters. Alexander sent him a non-UTF
> encoded HTML attachment, which was in Thai but displayed in Chinese.

No, I send Thomas one in Thai which had been send to ME by a friend of
the wife in Germany.
Received here all I see in the email is the normal character mess but
HTML part is readable...

> And UTF-encoded HTML attachments still display raw and garbled text.
> (in my experience toying with Lookout)

> Could I follow you?


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Re[2]: 1.42 Beta/19 is now available

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Hello Tony Boom,
On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:44:24 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, April 22, 2000, 5:44:24 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Tony Boom wrote:


> This message: 21/04/2000 23:43 GMT.

> On 21 April 2000 at 20:50:00 GMT +0200 (which was 19:50 where I live)
> SyP ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed:

S>> I can read it without problems.
S>> It says: fwerfewfäääöö


>   Me too, is that what it is supposed to say?

I think he just hit the keys a few times as test

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Re[3]: 1.42 Beta/19 is now available

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Hello SyP,
On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 21:29:09 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, April 22, 2000, 2:29:09 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
SyP wrote:


> Hello The Bat! beta users and developers,

> Dirk Heiser wrote at 4/21/2000, 9:14 PM

DH>> funny, if i click on the attachment i get an empty body.

DH>> Perhaps some Windows Version related. I use Win95b

> I use WinNT. I think Win98+ and WinNT supports Unicode, older verions
> don't.

I received an email from Germany from friends of my wife and it toold
me to read with unicode but on clicking the various messages no
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Re[2]: 1.42 Beta/19 is now available

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Hello Dirk Heiser,
On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 21:14:33 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, April 22, 2000, 2:14:33 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Dirk Heiser wrote:


> Hi SyP,

> Friday, April 21, 2000, 8:50:00 PM, you wrote:
S>> I can read it without problems.
S>> It says: fwerfewfäääöö

> funny, if i click on the attachment i get an empty body.

> Perhaps some Windows Version related. I use Win95b

98 usa v2, but I received an empty body in the past in an email and will
check it now

Nope, still empty


> cu,
>  Dirk


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Re[2]: A tip

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Hello phil,
On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:10:23 -0700 GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, April 19, 2000, 1:10:23 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
phil wrote:


> Greetings Florian!

> On  Tuesday, April 18, 2000  at  20:00:51 GMT +0200 (which was 11:00 AM where you 
>think I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

FE>> Hello,

FE>> some of you complained that the downloaded ZIP files won't work. I
FE>> experience that, too, although the file IS already uploaded.

FE>> I use WebWasher 2.0.1 and Netscape 4.7. Netscape makes problems, the
FE>> file is buggy. Using Opera: works. Maybe it's a Netscape-related
FE>> problem?
> No . Stef re-uploaded the file this morning to catch a last minute bug.

I just re-downloaded it and unzipped it and no problem.

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Re: updated Beta/18

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Hello Marek Mikus,
On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:38:34 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Tuesday, April 18, 2000, 11:38:34 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Marek Mikus wrote:


> Hello,

>   Stefan uploaded updated beta/18 with repaired columns "Memo" and
>   "Flagging".

>   Displaying 2 fonts in titles of columns in Viewer was not repaired.


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Re: 1.42 Beta/18 is now available

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Hello Stefan Tanurkov,
On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:53:26 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Tuesday, April 18, 2000, 10:53:26 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Stefan Tanurkov wrote:


> Hello All,

>The Bat! v1.42 Beta/18 is now available from
>http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html

>Changes:

>[-] Attachment flag detection was not working properly. My
>apologies to those who was detecting HTML messages that
>way - they are no longer marked as messages with attachments.

ah, one can now select the group...

>Thank you for attention and collaboration! I always mean this, but
>now I want to say it loud :-)



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(OT) My system is dead

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Hello

For those who do communicate with me off list, sorry, my main system
has died which makes me kind of happy as its likely the motherboard.
After a few months of messing around it looks like I have to rebuild
it back with my old board etc etc.
With weekend coming I may not be on line for a few days to answer any
mail.
This is the box I was going to sell but it had no internet, no
addressbooks and all that stuff and I donot really want to move things
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Re[2]: Beta/15

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Hello Allie Martin,
On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:53:49  -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, April 10, 2000, 4:53:49 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Allie Martin wrote:


> On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:17:51 +0100, Simon wrote:

CS>>> How about more information on windowBlinds ... :-)

> It does run with significant overhead. My taskmanager shows a
> resource consumption of 4.7MB at present. This however varies and
> increases with the more windows that you have opened.

> You may have a look in more detail at:
> http://www.windowblinds.net/  and have a look at the screen-shots of
> some other skins applied there as well. One was created for MacOS X by
> an external party and with Icon packager, another component, produced
> a virtual replica of the Mac OS X interface appearance. :) Apple
> threatened to sue so Stardock stopped displaying the screenshot and
> offering the skin for download at their website.


NOTE ALLIE runs NT, now windows 2000.
Anything regarding performans / problems maybe totally different under
98!!
Thats what I used and eveen there my system would never be standard.
One thing I agree with: it looks good.

I think I got that Apple thing somewhere(g) so if anyone needs that
and cannot find it, I can have a look around

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Re[3]: message base

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Hello Chuck Smith,
On Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:42:49 -0400 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, April 07, 2000, 2:42:49 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Chuck Smith wrote:




> Thursday, April 06, 2000, 1:39:33 PM, you wrote:
>>  Are you using the same message base but different bat executables at once?
>>  In that case, I think I know what you did.. You converted the old message
>>  base, but left it intact. The old versions can of course not read the new
>>  message base format, and thus, you're using 2 seperate message bases.

> Thats right, I converted mailbox formats. There are two diferent files
> for each mailbox. I guess the REAL question should be when 1.42(non
> beta) is available and installed what will happen to the message base?

>>  Synchronizing: I haven't tried it, but I think you would use Tools|Import
>>  messages|From .msb files (for every folder manually :-/) and then kill all
>>  dupes. Or can anyone tell me a better way?


I donot think using the latest betas and prebetas for new emails mixed
is a good idea.
Unless you use different directories


> Chuck Smith
> ---
> The Bat! - automatic mail servant of Chuck Smith.
> The BAT! ver. 1.42 Beta/11
> Windows NT 4.0 build 1381 Service Pack 6
  
> Website : http://www.online-str.com
> You may also contact me via ICQ at 12185766 or
> with MSN Messanger at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

> There is no talking about doing. There is only doing, or not doing. 
> That is part of the essence of Zen.





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Re[2]: problem with brackets ( <>) in filters

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Hello Stefan Tanurkov,
On Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:18:01 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, April 07, 2000, 12:18:01 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Stefan Tanurkov wrote:


> Hello Marek,

MM>>   I don't know why, but sometimes filter don't move email from INBOX,
MM>>   when filter includes in TO field brackets, for example
MM>>   "Marek Mikus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
MM>>- -

> Could you give me the EXACT signal string you are trying to use? Also,
> are thew regular expression used? I.e. without extra quotation
> marks... Also, is it possible that the messages that are not filtered
> right contain more spaces between the name and address?


Stefan
check your email July 14th 1999

quote (YOUR email to me)
Hi tracer,

t>   if sender to me has name like
t>    xxx (in specific in my case warin 108) or like one contact
t>   whose name ends up as . (ie a dot) due to whatever process he uses
t>   to send it.
t>   Filtering doesnt work...
t>   Doesnt surprise me but if possible consider fixing it!!!

Could you send me such a message and the filter you use please?

EOQ

As mentioned in my other post I just removed the part before the email
address



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Re[2]: problem with brackets ( <>) in filters

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Hello Nick Andriash,
On Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:46:42 -0700 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, April 06, 2000, 10:46:42 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Nick Andriash wrote:


> On Thursday, April 06, 2000, 3:31:29 AM, Marek Mikus wrote:

>>  I don't know why, but sometimes filter don't move email from INBOX,
>>   when filter includes in TO field brackets, for example
>>   "Marek Mikus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
>>- -

>>   When I cut brackets, filter move it.

> I've experienced that anomaly as well, in almost all the versions...
> including those prior to the current Betas.


Agreed, I suspected that it doesnt like the space between the 2 parts
and I think I informed Stefan of this before I even registered the
bat. My fix was to dump the part before the email address and just
filter on that
> Nick


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Re[3]: Getting some bad attachments sent

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Hello Gary,
On Sat, 1 Apr 2000 16:46:44 -0600 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, April 02, 2000, 5:46:44 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Gary wrote:


> Custom Today's thought for Alex:

>  As easy as 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841.

Dangerous thing to use, he may TRY giving you the other digits (g)

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Re: TB2 (was: System Hot-Keys)

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Hello SyP,
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:08:14 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, April 01, 2000, 1:08:14 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
SyP wrote:


> Hello The Bat! beta users and developers,

> Stefan Tanurkov wrote at 3/31/2000, 9:09 AM

ST>> Well, I can release hotkeys when the dialogue is on the screen, but in
ST>> version 2, there will be as less "modal" windows as possible, so all
ST>> defined hot-keys will be working even when the hot-key defining
ST>> dialogue will be active. Just get used to it now :-)

> Happy to hear that :)

> But, (on TB2) don't you think that while Delphi 5 Visual Components have
> interesting abilities, the actual programs compiled with it are a
> little bit... big and clumsy? Also Code Insight can get confused much
> easier than, say Delphi 3.

Syp, we need a 3rd or 4th mailing list for that (g)
Besides, ANYTHING in windows is big and clumsy, I just havent got a
viable alternative!@!

> Bye: SyP

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Re[2]: 1.42 Beta/10 is now available

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Hello Simon,
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:07:42 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Saturday, April 01, 2000, 12:07:42 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Simon wrote:


> Allie,

>  The 'wise arse reply' wasn't meant to be an insult btw. Just that I grew up
>  watching Laurel & Hardy films, and it rolled off the finger tips - still
>  watch them on video as well <-- big kid :D

I like them and one guy ( a doctor) managed to get himself better of a
cancer by just watching comics...

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Re[2]: 1.42 Beta/10 is now available

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Hello Simon,
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:59:21 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, March 31, 2000, 11:59:21 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Simon wrote:


> Allie, how-do-you-do!

> On Friday, March 31, 2000, 5:00:26 PM, Allie wrote:

AM>> On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:18:50 +0300, Stefan Tanurkov wrote:

>>>   [+] "Navigation|Go to folder" command in the Folder View

AM>> This is great. Isn't it nice when desired features get
AM>> implemented Simon? :)


>  Yippe ;)) It certainly is Ollie, I mean Allie ;) Shall go get some
>  of it now.
    
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Re[2]: Changing folder in Folder View, etc.

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Hello Jast,
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:26:57 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, March 31, 2000, 7:26:57 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Jast wrote:


> Morning Allie,

>> I was hoping that the Hotkey to invoke the Ticker would simply open the
>> Ticker focusing on the first message received. This, however, doesn't
>> happen. How this shortcut chooses which message to open initially, beats
>> me.

>  Just investigated it... it simply opens the first message currently
>  visible in the ticker scroller.

>  For the records, I changed this to TBBETa for obvious reasons :-)

The obvious reason being you are testing the innards of v2 without it
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Re: 1.42 Beta/10 is now available

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Hello Stefan Tanurkov,
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:18:50 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, March 31, 2000, 11:18:50 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Stefan Tanurkov wrote:


> Hello All,

>   1.42 Beta/10 is now available from
>   http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html

do we get paid for all these betas (g)??



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Re[2]: Some thoughts on TheBAT!

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Hello Christopher J. Trybowski,
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:59:59 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, March 31, 2000, 9:59:59 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Christopher J. Trybowski wrote:


> Hello Lionel,
> On Thursday, March 09, 2000 you wrote:

MW>>> I  remember the day I hooked up that 1200bps modem and called up a
MW>>> local  BBS!  WOW!  Even  1200 to 2400 wasn't as impressive. (Well,
MW>>> after all, 300 to 1200 was a 4x boost! Zoink-a-doink-a-lee-d!)

>> I jumped from 2400 to 28800! 12x boost. Was VERY impressive.

I have one for sale if you want it. Original owner paid $500 for it ,
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Re: The Bat! - bug report - can't type one of national characters

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Hello Christopher J. Trybowski,
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:15:49 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, March 31, 2000, 10:15:49 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Christopher J. Trybowski wrote:


> Hello The Bat! developers and all,

>   I'm using The Bat! Version 1.42 Beta/9
>   Serial Number 4FF098A9
>   under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998
>   and would like to report a bug

>   The bug description:

>Since  beta9  (or 8 i'm not sure since, I didn't use it) I'm unable
>to  type  one  polish  character  - ¯ (those who have unicode fonts
>installed  will  see  capital  Z  with  a  dot).  In  other  words
>Shift+RightAlt+Z combination doesn't do what it should do, and does
>in other applications. Any other Polish users confirm?

>   Steps to reproduce the bug:

>Well,  here you only need to press Shift+RightAlt+Z and notice that
>no  character  is  inserted.  But  this may be different with other
>keyboard  layouts.  Going  back  to  beta7 makes everything back in
>order. And pressing caps lock and then RightAlt+Z works well, so it
>seems a problem with keyboard handling.

>   Regards,

I hope the rest of your typing is easier then  Shift+RightAlt+Z (g).
I mean if I had to go to keystrokes like that, I wouldnt mind using ..
Whats the name (g)...
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Re[2]: serious bug that will keep you awake for hours

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Hello


I just setup an account for a friend on MYNEWBOX.COM and 2 others are
running ok.
The new one insiste on sending any old mail already received.
This is the first new acount I installed on my machine in ages so is
there a chance the beta is doing it

As far as I can see settings are the same as with the accounts which
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