Re: Can't Edit Some Filters
Am 28.04.2008 00:41 schrieb Bill McCarthy: Is there a limit on the number of items (this one has 24) in a contains any of? I remember from some time ago that TB! gets problems with too many conditions in a filter. No-one could tell the exact limit, but it turned out to be a solution to use address book groups for this. So the filter only needs to check if an address is in a certain group instead of checking *all* conditions (addresses) every time. Maybe you can use this approach too. -- Cheers Peter Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't Edit Some Filters
On Mon 28-Apr-08 3:10am -0600, Marten Gallagher wrote: Some of my filters, although they stilll work, cannot be edited. Hmmm - interesting - I have been having filter trouble since latest TB version but have been unable to pin down the symptoms properly - new filters in folders outside accounts seem to be not working. I wonder ifnthere is something about filters that has been upset in latest version? Possibly, my filters are working fine and I haven't edited them for at least a month. I noticed this inability to edit just yesterday. TB! Message Filter beginFilter UID: [860DB57E.01C8A8B6.44BF974A.381CE279] Name: To\20Someone Filter: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/0Ag.com/0D/0Ahh.net/0D/0Ai.com/0D/0Atbbeta-bounces/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/0A/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/0A.uu.com/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/0Amccarthy\0D\0A}\0D\0A} MoveMessage folder \5C\5CBill\5CInbox\5CTo\20Me IsActive IsSendQueue endFilter I do notice in this filkter you have pasted that thre are forwrd slashes where I woul expect backslashes to esape characters eg: bill/0D/0Amccarthy Could that be something to investifate? I don't think so. Looking at serveral filters, I always see /0D/0A separating list items. -- Best regards, Bill TB! Pro 4.0.24 AntispamSniper 1.8.0.8 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't Edit Some Filters
On Mon 28-Apr-08 6:42am -0600, Peter Meyns wrote: Am 28.04.2008 00:41 schrieb Bill McCarthy: Is there a limit on the number of items (this one has 24) in a contains any of? I remember from some time ago that TB! gets problems with too many conditions in a filter. No-one could tell the exact limit, but it turned out to be a solution to use address book groups for this. So the filter only needs to check if an address is in a certain group instead of checking *all* conditions (addresses) every time. Maybe you can use this approach too. Whether it searches a list or an address book doesn't appear to raise performance issues. I was surprised you mentioned address books (or groups), given that I have generic names like @abc where I want to catch [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] I tried out your suggestion but it didn't work. My filter is working fine, but doesn't display for editing. I edited the filter, by copying and pasting to my editor another item to the list. I pasted from my editor to the Sorting Office and tried it out - perfect! But this is a clumsey way to edit the Sorting Office :-) -- Best regards, Bill TB! Pro 4.0.24 AntispamSniper 1.8.0.8 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Can't Edit Some Filters
Hello TB User Discussion List, Some of my filters, although they stilll work, cannot be edited. For example, the one I've included here has a Sender - contains any of - followed by a list that cannot be seen or edited. Is there a limit on the number of items (this one has 24) in a contains any of? Help! The exact filter, with addresses altered, is included in the 9 lines below: TB! Message Filter beginFilter UID: [860DB57E.01C8A8B6.44BF974A.381CE279] Name: To\20Someone Filter: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/0Ag.com/0D/0Ahh.net/0D/0Ai.com/0D/0Atbbeta-bounces/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/0A/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/0A.uu.com/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0D/0Amccarthy\0D\0A}\0D\0A} MoveMessage folder \5C\5CBill\5CInbox\5CTo\20Me IsActive IsSendQueue endFilter -- Best regards, Bill TB! Pro 4.0.24 AntispamSniper 1.8.0.8 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filters using a Blacklist
I am sure this has been asked before but I can't find any references, so I will ask again. Is it possible to have a filter use an external list to gets its data ? Principally I am thinking of using a blacklist to check incoming mail using a filter. I do not want to have to update the filter every time I add a new nname. Currently I check against a specific address book , but it would be easier to maintain a text file. thanks Trevor -- Using The Bat! v4.0.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Exporting filters?
H is it possible to export and import filters? Yes, select the filter and copy it to the clipboard with ctrl+C. Go to the other account and select the destination (eg. Incoming or Outgoing) and paste the filter with ctrl+V. ++ Also, you can use the 'share with..' option, right? -- best regards rizvi Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Exporting filters?
Hi Peter, Hi Harald, H is it possible to export and import filters? Yes, select the filter and copy it to the clipboard with ctrl+C. Go to the other account and select the destination (eg. Incoming or Outgoing) and paste the filter with ctrl+V. Ah, so easy. :-| I have searched through all the menues but couldn't imagine what copypaste would mean in this context. Thanks and best wishes, Harald Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Exporting filters?
H is it possible to export and import filters? Yes, select the filter and copy it to the clipboard with ctrl+C. Go to the other account and select the destination (eg. Incoming or Outgoing) and paste the filter with ctrl+V. ++ Also, you can use the 'share with..' option, right? Where is that option hidden? Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Exporting filters?
Hi, Also, you can use the 'share with..' option, right? HF Where is that option hidden? He's mistaken with quick templates, those can be shared with other accounts. Filters cannot, though you can create common filters, they can be used by all accounts. That's correct. Common filters are set up and used with 4 Accounts as per my requirement. I believe that the 'share with..' option appears only for common filters. QT's can be shared among accounts as well as used for mass mailing too. -- best regards rizvi Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Exporting filters?
Hallo Harald, On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:01:28 +0100GMT (7-2-2008, 12:01 +0100, where I live), you wrote: Also, you can use the 'share with..' option, right? HF Where is that option hidden? He's mistaken with quick templates, those can be shared with other accounts. Filters cannot, though you can create common filters, they can be used by all accounts. -- Groetjes, Roelof The Innocent, the Eager, and the Doomed. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.0.22 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgph3uwFELvk5.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Exporting filters?
H is it possible to export and import filters? In addition to the advice about copying and pasting between accounts, you can also copy and then paste into Notepad or other text editor for saving. Trevor -- Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Exporting filters?
Hi all, is it possible to export and import filters? My intention is to export one (or more) filter to another account where the same filter rules should be active - I do not want to add filters with many conditions manually for each email account. I haven't found this possibility - did I miss something or isn't it possible? -- Thanks and kind regards, Harald mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Exporting filters?
Hi Harald, on Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:34:12 +0100GMT (07.02.2008, 08:34 +0100GMT here), you wrote: H is it possible to export and import filters? Yes, select the filter and copy it to the clipboard with ctrl+C. Go to the other account and select the destination (eg. Incoming or Outgoing) and paste the filter with ctrl+V. -- Cheers Peter Early to rise and early to bed, makes a man healthy but socially dead. Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Common Filters
Hello TBUDL, I don't make complete backups of my mails in the office any more, as the sysad backs them up anyway. So, if my HD crashes, I can restore the mails directly from the server. However, I want to backup my TB! settings. The directory structure is no problem, but my most sensitive asset are the Common Filters. they will get the honour of being backed up to two different locations. I know they are in one of the account.* files, but I don't remember which one. Help is appreciated. TB!v3.99.3 / non-OTFE / Windows XP. -- TIA, Thomas. Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sub Filters: can I create 'filter groups'?
Hello Roelof,
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:08:12 +0200 your time, you said:
RO The latter is why I love filtering on AB groups, though my groups are
RO collected in group related folders.
Thanks again for your help on this. I eventually plumped for:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
and checked 'automatically create if necessary and it is working a treat.
Folders are automatically created when someone from the address book list
group contacts me. Man alive, I've been doing the long way around up until
now. What a time saver!
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Re: Sub Filters: can I create 'filter groups'?
On Monday, September 10, 2007 at 18:00 Roelof Otten wrote: Apart from %ABFromPhone you can use any address book macro, like %ABFromE-mail, I just used the Phone entry, because I don't use that and I wouldn't like folder names with email addresses, but YMMV. I actually changed the 'Known' filter a bit to do what I want with this. Everyone I regularly communicate with is in my addressbook. I like to keep conversations with people in my AB together, so after all the filters that handle lists, newsletters and whatmore, I have the 'Known' filter at the bottom that splits out all remaining incoming mails to folders named after the full name of the person as it is registered in my AB. Because this list would get too large, I've also made it to create an intermediate level of folders based on the first letter. \\HyperCube Maurice\Bekenden\%SETPATTREGEXP((.))%REGEXPBLINDMATCH(%ABFROMNAME)%SUBPATT(1)\5C%ABFROMNAME Where 'HyperCube Maurice' is my account name, and 'Bekenden' is the mail folder under which I want these user-linked folders to be created. A similar filter exists in my outgoing filters list, which of course uses %ABTONAME to make outgoing mails to contacts in my AB also go to their personal folder. The folders are set to have a threaded so I can easily follow conversations there too, just like with mailing lists. -- Greetings, Maurice Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 The Bat! v3.99.24; ; AJS v18.59432; MyMacros 1.11a; Current version is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sub Filters: can I create 'filter groups'?
Hello TBUDL:
Please forgive my ignorance, but could someone please tell me if it is
possible to create 'filter groups'?
I can't find a definitive answer to this question (and I have looked) so
please forgive me if this question has been asked to death and answered
over and over:
If I create a main filter in the Sorting Office and call it 'Lists', do I
need to add any specific conditions for sub filters below it to be
processed? I noticed that there after adding a condtion to the filter you
can select 'any message, which I imagined allowed for this, but I tried
that and sub filters below the main 'Lists' filter still aren't processed
(actions for all subfolders are simply filtering to folders).
Thankyou.
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Re: Sub Filters: can I create 'filter groups'?
Hallo Simon, On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:28:29 +0100GMT (10-9-2007, 15:28 +0200, where I live), you wrote: IT Please forgive my ignorance, but could someone please tell me if it is IT possible to create 'filter groups'? No. IT If I create a main filter in the Sorting Office and call it 'Lists', do I IT need to add any specific conditions for sub filters below it to be IT processed? I noticed that there after adding a condtion to the filter you IT can select 'any message, which I imagined allowed for this, but I tried IT that and sub filters below the main 'Lists' filter still aren't processed IT (actions for all subfolders are simply filtering to folders). That's exactly as it's supposed to be. A filter processes the messages that match its condition and filters below that filter won't be checked anymore, subfilters will be processed though. However, when you set the option 'continue processing with other filters' for the parent filter, then the messages will be processed by the other filters too. (Until they trigger the next filter.) But I don't know what the consequences are for the messages that have been processed by the subfilters. IT -- IT Slán, Your cutsign doesn't function as it should, it's missing the trailing space. -- Groetjes, Roelof I've got all this emotional baggage and no claim check. - SLR http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.99.24 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpP64n6PDGXi.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sub Filters: can I create 'filter groups'?
Hello Roelof,
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:35:31 +0200 your time, you said:
IT Please forgive my ignorance, but could someone please tell me if it is
IT possible to create 'filter groups'?
RO No.
Hmm, great. I was hoping that wasn't going ot be the case...still.
So just to make absolutely clear, so I'm left in no doubt, this means then,
if I have 45 people belonging to a private group/list/forum whatever, and I
can only filter against their individual aliases, to be able to filter each
individual's emails (and my replies to each of them) to 'their own folders'
I _still_ have to create 90 separate filters, 45 incoming and 45 outgoing?
[...snip...]
IT --
IT Slán,
RO Your cutsign doesn't function as it should, it's missing the trailing
RO space.
Oops! New QT. Didn't check it, sorry. Fixed.
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Re: Sub Filters: can I create 'filter groups'?
Hallo Simon, On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:02:14 +0100GMT (10-9-2007, 17:02 +0200, where I live), you wrote: IT So just to make absolutely clear, so I'm left in no doubt, this means then, IT if I have 45 people belonging to a private group/list/forum whatever, and I IT can only filter against their individual aliases, to be able to filter each IT individual's emails (and my replies to each of them) to 'their own folders' IT I _still_ have to create 90 separate filters, 45 incoming and 45 outgoing? Of course not, but that wasn't what you were asking. You asked about groups of filters. Or to say it differently: You merely asked whether you could create two groups of 45 filters each. What you're asking now is whether you can filter a lot of addresses each to their own folder with a single filter and that answer is: 'Yes' Create an AB group 'filter contacts' and add those 45 people to it. It doesn't matter whether you've got them in different AB group too. Create a filter that checks whether the sender belongs to 'filter contacts' Now you've got two choices, either you want all of them moved to the same folder or you want to move each message to a folder matching your contact. The first case is rather straightforward, the second case needs a macro. I tested it with a single address (didn't want to mess up my filtering system) I added a 'phone number' to an address book entry (I used the rather random letters lcs) and the action for my filter was to move the message \\Roelof\%ABFromPhone (With roelof being the account name) I re-filtered the folder and all messages from that contact were filtered to \\Roelof\lcs Apart from %ABFromPhone you can use any address book macro, like %ABFromE-mail, I just used the Phone entry, because I don't use that and I wouldn't like folder names with email addresses, but YMMV. Of course you'll still need two filters for this to function properly, one incoming filter and one outgoing filter, note that you'd need something like %ABToPhone for the outgoing filter. And before I forget it, you'll need to check 'create if necessary' with the move to action. Also when you don't use something that you've been using in your address book (like %ABFromPhone in stead of %ABFromName) you need to enter that field for all of the contacts you want to sort this way. Confused? Me too. -- Groetjes, Roelof ERROR: 001 Windows loaded. System in danger. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.99.24 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgph38EKK3IAA.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sub Filters: can I create 'filter groups'?
Hello Roelof,
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:00:36 +0200 your time, you said:
[...snip...]
RO Create an AB group 'filter contacts' and add those 45 people to it.
[...snip...]
RO Now you've got two choices, either you want all of them moved to the
RO same folder or you want to move each message to a folder matching your
RO contact.
Yes, it was most definitely the latter option I was after.
RO The first case is rather straightforward, the second case needs a macro.
Yeah, well, I thought as much; many addresses to one folder would have been
a doddle of course.
RO I tested it with a single address [...snip...] I just used the Phone
RO entry, because I don't use that and I wouldn't like folder names with
RO email addresses, but YMMV.
Nor me. I'll give that a go though, and experiment, thankyou for you help.
RO Of course you'll still need two filters for this to function properly,
RO one incoming filter and one outgoing filter, note that you'd need
RO something like %ABToPhone for the outgoing filter.
Yes, I thought as much. IOW it's still a PITA to set up, but 'needs must' as
the expression goes!
RO And before I forget it, you'll need to check 'create if necessary' with
RO the move to action.
Okay.
RO Also when you don't use something that you've been using in your address
RO book (like %ABFromPhone in stead of %ABFromName) you need to enter that
RO field for all of the contacts you want to sort this way.
RO Confused? Me too.
Surprisingly, I'm following everything. However, after setting that lot up I
doubt whether I'll be as chirpy ;-)
Really, I suppose it boils down to cosmetics and preference at the end of
the day. I mean that organising particular contacts into a 'group' in AB and
filtering against the AB group will still mean just as much effort setting
up as creating indiviudal filters for each email address under the Sorting
Office. It's just that the filters list won't be as long if you do it the AB
way...and instinctively we like to group things.
Anyway, thanks for your help and I'll go away and playfor a while and then
decide which way I prefer :-)
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Re: Sub Filters: can I create 'filter groups'?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] @ 2007-9-10 11:42:15 AM Sub Filters: can I create 'filter groups'? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Really, I suppose it boils down to cosmetics and preference at the end of the day. I mean that organising particular contacts into a 'group' in AB and filtering against the AB group will still mean just as much effort setting up as creating indiviudal filters for each email address under the Sorting Office. It's just that the filters list won't be as long if you do it the AB way...and instinctively we like to group things. And, if you need to change the filter later, you only have to change it in one place. -- Christopher Using The Bat! v3.99.24 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6000. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. The surest way to make a monkey of a man is to quote him. -Robert Benchley pgpSOEhvxpfDG.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sub Filters: can I create 'filter groups'?
Hallo Simon, On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:42:15 +0100GMT (10-9-2007, 18:42 +0200, where I live), you wrote: IT Really, I suppose it boils down to cosmetics and preference at the end of IT the day. I mean that organising particular contacts into a 'group' in AB and IT filtering against the AB group will still mean just as much effort setting IT up as creating indiviudal filters for each email address under the Sorting IT Office. There are two major differences. You'll only need to add them once to your AB group, whereas you'd need to create every filter twice. When your contacts change their addresses (or use multiple addresses) you can easily add them to your AB (you'd do that anyway), but you don't need to adjust your filters. The latter is why I love filtering on AB groups, though my groups are collected in group related folders. -- Groetjes, Roelof I prefer to call it: The Prime Suggestion - Kirk http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.99.24 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgphZLpOJmVGr.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sub Filters: can I create 'filter groups'?
Hello Roelof,
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:08:12 +0200 your time, you said:
RO When your contacts change their addresses (or use multiple addresses)
RO you can easily add them to your AB (you'd do that anyway), but you don't
RO need to adjust your filters. The latter is why I love filtering on AB
RO groups, though my groups are collected in group related folders.
Yes, indeed, after thinking about it, and reading these last replies from
you and Chrisopher, I do see that AB filtering must be the best way forward
for me. And I actually already have most of my contacts in various AB groups
already, as is my habit, so I do believe I'll be following the good advice
provided here and filtering against the AB groups in future.
Thanks for all your advice.
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Re: Selective Download Filters
Hello Chris, Wednesday, August 1, 2007, 10:38:39 PM, you wrote: Or, perhaps there is a better way to do what I want to do... I have one real account [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have two other account [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] Neither [EMAIL PROTECTED] nor [EMAIL PROTECTED] have mailboxes that are checkable on a server somewhere; both are forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, I don't want people to know the the message has been forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, I though that I'd create three accounts and use selective download filters to ignore the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] messages when checking as [EMAIL PROTECTED] and select the appropriate messages for the other two accounts. At the moment, I have incoming filters for [EMAIL PROTECTED] the move the messages to the correct account. However, I have to write my [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] incoming filters in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Confused yet? I am. Selective download filter for each account that reads: Recipient is [EMAIL PROTECTED] The others will be left in the box to be collected by the other accounts. I am confused when you say the other accounts aren't checkable. This would mean you couldn't really send from that address either. Another way to handle your desire to keep account a hidden is to make a reply template that checks the recipient address (a, b, or c) and replies from the appropriate account. Just add %ACCOUNT=a, b, or c in the reply template. -- Dougmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** TheBat! Voyager 3.99.4 on Windows XP Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Selective Download Filters
Hi On Thursday 2 August 2007 at 12:40:09 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Doug Higby wrote: Selective download filter for each account that reads: Recipient is [EMAIL PROTECTED] The others will be left in the box to be collected by the other accounts. Would this catch cc, bcc, or forwarded messages? I am confused when you say the other accounts aren't checkable. This would mean you couldn't really send from that address either. Not necessarily. In addition to ISP email addresses, I own two domain names that I use for email and incoming mail for any username at either of those domains is all routed to one POP mailbox. Another way to handle your desire to keep account a hidden is to make a reply template that checks the recipient address (a, b, or c) and replies from the appropriate account. Just add %ACCOUNT=a, b, or c in the reply template. My solution is for one account in TB to download all mail from the POP mailbox for my two domains. Incoming mail filters direct the messages to folders in the relevant TB accounts. This means replies are from the correct account. It also sounds more efficient to filter the mail just once. -- Best regards, MFPA It's better to feed one cat than many mice Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Selective Download Filters
Hi On Wednesday 1 August 2007 at 11:38:39 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Chris W. wrote: At the moment, I have incoming filters for [EMAIL PROTECTED] the move the messages to the correct account. That's how I do it. However, I have to write my [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] incoming filters in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Really? I am able to use common filters, rather than putting them under the wrong account. Also, I thought that if you filter to an account's inbox the messages were then checked against that account's incoming mail filters. Is this incorrect? -- Best regards, MFPA I would like to help you out. Which way did you come in? Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Common filters
Hi On Wednesday 1 August 2007 at 4:49:42 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter Kerekes wrote: Hello Bill, Wednesday, July 25, 2007, 12:26:10 PM, you wrote: Bill On Tue, 2007-07-24, Thomas Fernandez wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:07:19 +1000 GMT (25/07/2007, 08:07 +0700 GMT), John Phillips wrote: JP My understanding of the word common as in Common Filters that they JP apply to both received and sent mail, but it appear I am wrong here? You are wrong, but you are welcome to support this wish: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0003319 Bill It occurs to me that the filters in this proposal would be ordered in a Bill single list rather than by each type of event. I could imagine a situation Bill where a shared set of incoming and outgoing filters might need opposite Bill orders! Bill Just a thought. How can I support this request? I found your link but could not find any way to add comments/support to NOTES. After you log in, the page has a big box called add note above the existing notes. -- Best regards, MFPA A bird in the hand makes it awfully hard to blow your nose Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Forgot to trim reply. Sorry. [Was: Re: Common filters]
Hi On Thursday 2 August 2007 at 8:17:43 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], MFPA wrote: After you log in, the page has a big box called add note above the existing notes. Sorry, Moderators. I realised after sending that I had not trimmed. -- Best regards, MFPA Volvo, Video, Velcro. (I came, I saw, I stuck around.) Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Selective Download Filters
MFPA @ 2007-8-02 3:03:47 PM Selective Download Filters mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] However, I have to write my [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] incoming filters in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also, I thought that if you filter to an account's inbox the messages were then checked against that account's incoming mail filters. Is this incorrect? I've committed a grave sin. I only assumed that things will work this way. I've not tested. When the case arises, I will test and, if I remember, report back. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.99.3 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6000. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Is reading in the bathroom considered multitasking? pgp1rZEKKs41m.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Selective Download Filters
Doug Higby @ 2007-8-02 7:40:09 AM Selective Download Filters mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Selective download filter for each account that reads: Recipient is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Except the options are: * Kill * Ignore * Ignore and read None of these options imply Download this message. I am confused when you say the other accounts aren't checkable. This would mean you couldn't really send from that address either. They are real POP or IMAP mailboxes. They just forward to another account. I use the real account's SMTP server for sending, and that works just fine. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.99.3 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6000. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Sign in a London department store: BARGAIN BASEMENT UPSTAIRS pgpH71tmponlI.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Common filters
Hello Bill, Wednesday, July 25, 2007, 12:26:10 PM, you wrote: Bill On Tue, 2007-07-24, Thomas Fernandez wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:07:19 +1000 GMT (25/07/2007, 08:07 +0700 GMT), John Phillips wrote: JP My understanding of the word common as in Common Filters that they JP apply to both received and sent mail, but it appear I am wrong here? You are wrong, but you are welcome to support this wish: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0003319 Bill It occurs to me that the filters in this proposal would be ordered in a Bill single list rather than by each type of event. I could imagine a situation Bill where a shared set of incoming and outgoing filters might need opposite Bill orders! Bill Just a thought. How can I support this request? I found your link but could not find any way to add comments/support to NOTES. However since this is going on since 2004 and requested by a number of people I don't have much hope to get it, unless we start a riot. -- Best regards, Peter The BAT 3.99.8, Windows XP, Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Selective Download Filters
Is there anyway to use a selective download filter to select only those messages that I want downloaded. I can only see a way to select messages NOT to download. Or, perhaps there is a better way to do what I want to do... I have one real account [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have two other account [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] Neither [EMAIL PROTECTED] nor [EMAIL PROTECTED] have mailboxes that are checkable on a server somewhere; both are forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, I don't want people to know the the message has been forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, I though that I'd create three accounts and use selective download filters to ignore the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] messages when checking as [EMAIL PROTECTED] and select the appropriate messages for the other two accounts. At the moment, I have incoming filters for [EMAIL PROTECTED] the move the messages to the correct account. However, I have to write my [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] incoming filters in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Confused yet? I am. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.99.3 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6000. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Today's Oxymoron: Taped live pgpdd2CrPowEy.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Common filters
Thomas, On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, at 08:49:12 [GMT +0700] (11:49:12 25/07/2007 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: You are wrong, but you are welcome to support this wish: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0003319 Shall be done! -- Regards, John Phillips *** Confidentiality, Privilege Notice, and Warning *** This e-mail is intended only to be read or used by the addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you must not copy or deliver this message to anyone, and you must destroy this message and notify the sender by return e-mail. This e-mail and attachments, if any, have not been scanned for virus threats, worms, trojan horse attacks, or any other electronic form of disruption. It is your responsibility to scan for same, and take appropriate action where necessary. Fashion Fair will not, under any circumstances whatsoever, accept any responsibility for such computer born problems. Details of our privacy policy can be viewed at www.fashionfair.com.au Fashion Fair Pty Ltd (and associated companies) Established 1981 PO Box 274 (2 Mark Street) Lidcombe 1825, Australia Telephone +61 2 9749 1933 Fax +61 2 9749 2727 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Common filters
On Wed, 25 July 2007 17:37:31 +1000 GMT(25/07/2007, 08:37 + GMT), John Phillips wrote: 6JP Thomas, JP On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, at 08:49:12 [GMT +0700] (11:49:12 JP 25/07/2007 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: You are wrong, but you are welcome to support this wish: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0003319 JP Shall be done! I was about to support this too - until I realised that I did so in March LAST year. -- Eric Using The Bat! v3.99.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 -- Best regards, Ericmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Common filters
On Tue, 2007-07-24, Thomas Fernandez wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:07:19 +1000 GMT (25/07/2007, 08:07 +0700 GMT), John Phillips wrote: JP My understanding of the word common as in Common Filters that they JP apply to both received and sent mail, but it appear I am wrong here? You are wrong, but you are welcome to support this wish: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0003319 It occurs to me that the filters in this proposal would be ordered in a single list rather than by each type of event. I could imagine a situation where a shared set of incoming and outgoing filters might need opposite orders! Just a thought. -- Bill McQuillan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600-Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Common filters
Batophiles, My understanding of the word common as in Common Filters that they apply to both received and sent mail, but it appear I am wrong here? What is a common filter as opposed to a normal filter (help files not suggestive re this), and can I write a common filter to apply to both Inbox Sent mail? (Apologies for the long footer - company policy!)( Bat Pro 3.99.3 XP Pro SP2 -- Regards, John Phillips *** Confidentiality, Privilege Notice, and Warning *** This e-mail is intended only to be read or used by the addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you must not copy or deliver this message to anyone, and you must destroy this message and notify the sender by return e-mail. This e-mail and attachments, if any, have not been scanned for virus threats, worms, trojan horse attacks, or any other electronic form of disruption. It is your responsibility to scan for same, and take appropriate action where necessary. Fashion Fair will not, under any circumstances whatsoever, accept any responsibility for such computer born problems. Details of our privacy policy can be viewed at www.fashionfair.com.au Fashion Fair Pty Ltd (and associated companies) Established 1981 PO Box 274 (2 Mark Street) Lidcombe 1825, Australia Telephone +61 2 9749 1933 Fax +61 2 9749 2727 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Common filters
Hello John, On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:07:19 +1000 GMT (25/07/2007, 08:07 +0700 GMT), John Phillips wrote: JP My understanding of the word common as in Common Filters that they JP apply to both received and sent mail, but it appear I am wrong here? You are wrong, but you are welcome to support this wish: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0003319 JP What is a common filter as opposed to a normal filter Normal filters apply only to one account. Common filters can apply to more than one account, but please make sure to tick the appropriate accounts in the Share with tab. By default, no account is ticked, and you will wonder why the filters doesn't catch. JP (help files not suggestive re this), and can I write a common JP filter to apply to both Inbox Sent mail? You can have comon incoming filters, common outgoing filters etc. JP (Apologies for the long footer - company policy!)( It does not matter, because you use a working sig delimiter. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. 31. 'Stewardesses' is the longest English word that is typed with only the left hand. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.99.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: filters
Hello Terry, Monday, June 18, 2007, 10:09:26 PM, you wrote: Currently our company's e-mail system is have problems. I can receive messages but can not send. As a work around I have been replying to e-mails in my work account than moving the messages to a personal e-mail account and sending. Is there a way, using the filter system, to save these message to my personal e-mail outbox? Actually, you don't need to even move the messages. Just go to your reply template and add the expression: %ACCOUNT=Gmail (Or whatever the abbreviated name for your personal mail account is in the account tree.) The messages stay in your work box, but all replies are sent via your personal account. OR you could try just changing the Account Properties | Transport details of the SMTP server to the details for your personal account (if your service allows this). Then the mails from work are sent via your personal account, but still have your work address as the sender. -- Dougmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** TheBat! Voyager 3.99.4 on Windows XP Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: filters
Hello Doug, Tuesday, June 19, 2007, you wrote: OR you could try just changing the Account Properties | Transport details of the SMTP server to the details for your personal account (if your service allows this). Then the mails from work are sent via your personal account, but still have your work address as the sender. This works greatthanks. -- Regards, Terry Using the Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP Service Pack 2 2600 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
filters
Hi All Currently our company's e-mail system is have problems. I can receive messages but can not send. As a work around I have been replying to e-mails in my work account than moving the messages to a personal e-mail account and sending. Is there a way, using the filter system, to save these message to my personal e-mail outbox? Is there a way to choose any/all recipients in the condition field? -- Thanks, Terry Using the Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP Service Pack 2 2600 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Copy/Pasting Read or Replied filters does not copy folders the filter is applied to
Hello all, FYI: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6267 -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.98.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.98 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Copy/Pasting Read or Replied filters does not copy folders the filter is applied to
Hi On Wednesday 28 February 2007 at 3:22:40 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], MAU wrote: Hello all, FYI: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6267 Was it just me, or did others receive two copies of this message with identical message-id but one had the subject prepended with [TBBETA] [TBUDL] ? -- Best regards, MFPA The One with The Answer is seldom asked The Question Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.98 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Copy/Pasting Read or Replied filters does not copy folders the filter is applied to
Hello MFPA, Was it just me, or did others receive two copies of this message with identical message-id but one had the subject prepended with [TBBETA] [TBUDL] ? No, everybody got it on both lists. It was apparently cause by some 'anti-spam device' used by a list member. Roelof has been looking into that. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.98.1 Current version is 3.98 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Duplicate Filters?
Hallo Susanne, On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:32:25 -0800GMT (24-2-2007, 4:32 +0100, where I live), you wrote: S is there an easy way to copy all the filters from S one account to another in TB version 3.96.6? As long as your second account doesn't have any filters yet, you can copy the account.srb file from one account to another. I'm afraid the filters will still point to the folders of the old account. (Not sure about that though.) S -- Check your cutsign, it doesn't do what it's supposed to do. -- Groetjes, Roelof Don't worry, I'm gong t bckup tdæ!%#~% http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.96.10 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgplbqL0z8lnK.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Duplicate Filters?
Hi, Saturday, February 24, 2007, 12:55:25 AM,[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As long as your second account doesn't have any filters yet, you can copy the account.srb file from one account to another. I'm afraid the filters will still point to the folders of the old account. (Not sure about that though.) Thanks, I'll try it. S -- Check your cutsign, it doesn't do what it's supposed to do. Hm, any advice what to look for? It looks fine to me in the template, but I'm not savvy when it comes to things like this. -- Best regards, Susannemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.95.6 OS: Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Duplicate Filters?
Hallo Susanne, On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:18:09 -0800GMT (24-2-2007, 21:18 +0100, where I live), you wrote: S Hm, any advice what to look for? S It looks fine to me in the template, but I'm not S savvy when it comes to things like this. Your cutsign should be dash dash space enter I guess the space is missing. -- Groetjes, Roelof Love is chemistry; sex is mechanical engineering. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.96.14 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgprZdcqsdj1d.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Duplicate Filters?
Hi, is there an easy way to copy all the filters from one account to another in TB version 3.96.6? I can copy them one by one, but was hoping for a more efficient way. ;) -- Best regards, Susanne Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filters of one account vaporized
Hi all, That's right. They're just gone. Last thing I remember is that I had to close down The Bat because it didn't want to end - now all filters of one account are gone. How come? More important: how to get them back? Best regards, Loek van Kooten -- Akebono Translation Service Rijnstraat 32 2311 NK Leiden The Netherlands Tel: +31-71-5128026 Fax: +31-84-7390618 www.akebono.nl Algemene voorwaarden: www.akebono.nl/algemeen.doc Terms and conditions: www.akebono.nl/terms.doc Chamber of Commerce reg. no.: 28066372 IMPORTANT: All delivery dates stated in quotes are as of the moment the quote was sent and can change as soon as other projects come in. BELANGRIJK: Bij alle leveringsdata in offertes gaan we uit van de agenda op dat moment. De data kunnen wijzigen zodra er andere projecten binnenkomen. Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters of one account vaporized
Dear all, That's right. They're just gone. Last thing I remember is that I had to close down The Bat because it didn't want to end - now all filters of one account are gone. How come? More important: how to get them back? Okay, I love the Restore feature. Still it's strange that all filters of one account can just suddenly disappear. There must be a more simple way to fix this... Are filters classified under Account Properties or Global Options? I'd like to make sure for next time (this time I used both and had to manually re-add some account folders, to restore several e-mails that had been sorted into those folders since the last back-up). Best regards, Loek van Kooten -- Akebono Translation Service Rijnstraat 32 2311 NK Leiden The Netherlands Tel: +31-71-5128026 Fax: +31-84-7390618 www.akebono.nl Algemene voorwaarden: www.akebono.nl/algemeen.doc Terms and conditions: www.akebono.nl/terms.doc Chamber of Commerce reg. no.: 28066372 IMPORTANT: All delivery dates stated in quotes are as of the moment the quote was sent and can change as soon as other projects come in. BELANGRIJK: Bij alle leveringsdata in offertes gaan we uit van de agenda op dat moment. De data kunnen wijzigen zodra er andere projecten binnenkomen. Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Setting up filters
Hello Chris, Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 1:10:51 PM, you wrote: Sender match (^\d+|\d+)@ Thank you very much! -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... Using The Bat! v3.95.6 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting up filters
Joe User @ 2007-1-30 11:41:29 PM Setting up filters mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to filter email with numbers for user names to my trash (anti-spam effort). For example: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] What would be the correct syntax for this? Sender match (^\d+|\d+)@ -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.95.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. pgpOQVySuedLi.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Setting up filters
Hello TBUDL, I am new to The Bat! I am a convert from Mozilla. I did some searching and understand there is a language to writing more complicated filters, yet it is over my head. Therefore, I am coming to this list for help. I would like to filter email with numbers for user names to my trash (anti-spam effort). For example: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc... What would be the correct syntax for this? Thanks in advance. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... Using The Bat! v3.95.6 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filters - stopped working
Can anyine come up with any possible reasons why some (not all) filters may suddenyl have stopped operating? -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.95.6 with K9 on Windows XP 5.1 tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters - stopped working
Hello Marten, Can anyine come up with any possible reasons why some (not all) filters may suddenyl have stopped operating? Incoming filters, or any type? Account or Common filters? Have you added, changed, altered the order of or deleted any filter recently? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters - stopped working
Hello Marten, Can anyine come up with any possible reasons why some (not all) filters may suddenyl have stopped operating? Incoming filters, or any type? Account or Common filters? Have you added, changed, altered the order of or deleted any filter recently? Yes - have added some - two filters specific to an acount and one common filter. I suspect I am going to have to do much more investigation and testing to see exactly what is or is not going on - just initially wonderedif anyone else had experienced 'filter failure' and mught suggest what to look for particularly. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.95.6 with K9 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters - stopped working
Hello Marten, Can anyine come up with any possible reasons why some (not all) filters may suddenyl have stopped operating? Incoming filters, or any type? Account or Common filters? Have you added, changed, altered the order of or deleted any filter recently? Yes - have added some - two filters specific to an acount and one common filter. I suspect I am going to have to do much more investigation and testing to see exactly what is or is not going on - just initially wonderedif anyone else had experienced 'filter failure' and mught suggest what to look for particularly. Most likely one of your added filters is 'inhibiting the trigger of other filters. Remember they are 'executed' top-down. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters - stopped working
MAU @ 2007-1-29 11:15:41 AM Filters - stopped working mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Most likely one of your added filters is 'inhibiting the trigger of other filters. Remember they are 'executed' top-down. And, unless it is marked are Continue processing... (it shows up blue), only the first matching filter will run. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.95.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. All people have moments of insanity; some people more often than others. pgpVOA2OTA2my.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Copying quick templates and filters
Batties, I need to copy my (quick) templates and my Sorting Office filters form one (encrypted) IMAP account into another (encrypted) Exchange account. Which files do I need to copy? TIA. -- Peter Fjelsten Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Copying quick templates and filters
Hallo Peter, On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 07:45:56 -0500GMT (23-1-2007, 13:45 +0100, where I live), you wrote: PF I need to copy my (quick) templates account.etm PF and my Sorting Office filters form one (encrypted) IMAP account account.erb -- Groetjes, Roelof If 50 million people vote for something stupid, it's still stupid! http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.95.8 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpeXT54G3jRL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Organizing Filters
Hi On Friday 5 January 2007 at 12:11:14 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], MAU wrote: If I were you, I wouldn't waste any time trying workarounds. Why not, as the issue is seemingly unresolved and the workaround is so simple? -- Best regards, MFPA You're only young once; you can be immature forever Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Organizing Filters
Hi On Wednesday 3 January 2007 at 2:57:48 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], George Mitchell wrote: Is it a common filter? Yes I'm pretty sure this bug isn't fixed yet: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4021 That covers it. Status shown as verify fail since October 2005 so I take it the latest release still has this issue? -- Best regards, MFPA The One with The Answer is seldom asked The Question Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Organizing Filters
Hi On Wednesday 3 January 2007 at 10:43:35 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], MAU wrote: I'll ask you the same question that George Mitchell did. Are you talking about Common filter and sub-filter? If so, please refer to the BT report pointed out by George. Yes, that covers it. My workaround is to add a user parameter. The parent is now if sender contains any of (the domains they send emails from) move to magazine folder AND set (user parameter) magazine=1. The subfilter now says If Additional Params magazine is equal to 1 AND subject contains 'subscription' move to the 'subscription' subfolder. This seems to work mainly as expected, with two exceptions I found during testing. Firstly, the subfilter does not work when activated with a hotkey. My guess would be that's related to the way user parameters work, as this suggests they may only be stored for the duration of the current filtering session. Secondly, re-filtering the subscription subfolder moves its contents to the magazine folder. (Re-filtering the magazine folder moves them back again, even though testing filters suggests this will not happen. Copying messages from both to another folder and re-filtering that folder distributes the messages as expected.) Any thoughts? -- Best regards, MFPA When you're through changing, you're through Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Organizing Filters
Hello MFPA, I'll ask you the same question that George Mitchell did. Are you talking about Common filter and sub-filter? If so, please refer to the BT report pointed out by George. Yes, that covers it. My workaround is to add a user parameter. snipped Any thoughts? I haven't looked at this problems since the last note I added on October 2005 to BT report https://emea.salesforce.com/a092000C8xS If I were you, I wouldn't waste any time trying workarounds. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.6 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Organizing Filters
Hello MFPA, (Using v3.80.06) I have a (recently-created) subfilter that is misbehaving in that it is triggered regardless of whether the condition for its parent is met. I'll ask you the same question that George Mitchell did. Are you talking about Common filter and sub-filter? If so, please refer to the BT report pointed out by George. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.6 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Organizing Filters
Hi On Thursday 28 December 2006 at 7:08:49 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], MAU wrote: Assume you have several filter with a common condition, for example: If A and B If A and C If A and D If A and E ... You can convert those to 1 filter and several sub-filters like this: If A If B If C If D If E ... The advantage (aside of clarity) is that sub-filters for conditions B, C, D, E... will not be checked at all unless the If A filter triggers (condition A met) first. (Using v3.80.06) I have a (recently-created) subfilter that is misbehaving in that it is triggered regardless of whether the condition for its parent is met. These filters relate to emails from a magazine publisher. The parent is if sender contains any of (the domains they send emails from) move to a certain folder. I pay for a magazine subscription for my sister and keep correspondence relating to the subscription in a subfolder called subscription. This is only 4 or 5 emails per year and I have previously moved them manually to the subscription subfolder. When I received one today I decided to automate the process with a subfilter:- If subject contains 'subscription' move to the 'subscription' subfolder. I forwarded the subscription confirmation to my sister and found her reply filtered to the subscription subfolder. I tested filters and this confirmed the subfilter was being triggered. I sent myself an empty email with the subject subscription and the subfilter was triggered by that too. Any ideas? -- Best regards, MFPA Don't learn safety rules by accident... Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Organizing Filters
MFPA wrote: M (Using v3.80.06) I have a (recently-created) subfilter that is M misbehaving in that it is triggered regardless of whether the M condition for its parent is met. M Any ideas? Is it a common filter? I'm pretty sure this bug isn't fixed yet: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4021 -- George Using The Bat! 3.95.2 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Organizing Filters
Hello Alexander, On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:16:09 +0100 GMT (29/12/2006, 01:16 +0700 GMT), Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Am I missing something? Is there a better way to do this (i.e. faster?) ASK Press the ALT key and keep it pressed, then you can use drag drop for ASK the filters (just like in the folder tree). Or ALT and up-arrow. Not sure whether it's ALT, TB! is quite inconsistent, sometimes we need to press ALT, sometimes shift,ctrl or so to move things, like folders for example. I always keep trying which key-combo works with the arrow keys. -- Cheers, Thomas. When you smell an odorless gas, it is probably carbon monoxide. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.95.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Organizing Filters
I have many filters and need to better organize them. I also ended up with multiple filters for many of the same things that can be combined into 1 filter or can be deleted. To be able to better find filters I decided to put them in alphabetical order within various categories (that is certain types of filters need to run before others). I am finding it extremely tedious to move filters from the bottom of the list to higher up since it seems like I have to click the up arrow for each move up the list (I have many filters so that is a lot of clicks). Used to I think you could drag the filters but apparently not any more. Am I missing something? Is there a better way to do this (i.e. faster?) Also, I noticed there is now an option for a subfilter but I couldn't find a reference to it in help. What is a subfilter? -- Best regards, Kitty mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Organizing Filters
Hello Kitty everyone else, on 28-Dez-2006 at 18:53 you (Kitty) wrote: Am I missing something? Is there a better way to do this (i.e. faster?) Press the ALT key and keep it pressed, then you can use drag drop for the filters (just like in the folder tree). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) In the words of Ralph Waldo Emerson: `Nothing is rich but the inexhaustible wealth of nature.' Given the way we've treated her, it seems to me that she's on the verge of bankruptcy. -- Todd H. Knight Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Organizing Filters
Also, I noticed there is now an option for a subfilter but I couldn't find a reference to it in help. What is a subfilter? You can create filters that operate after a main filter has selected out a message... I.e: take all messages where the TO is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then apply a (sub)filter to only those -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.95.6 with K9 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Organizing Filters
Hello Kitty, Also, I noticed there is now an option for a subfilter but I couldn't find a reference to it in help. What is a subfilter? Assume you have several filter with a common condition, for example: If A and B If A and C If A and D If A and E ... You can convert those to 1 filter and several sub-filters like this: If A If B If C If D If E ... The advantage (aside of clarity) is that sub-filters for conditions B, C, D, E... will not be checked at all unless the If A filter triggers (condition A met) first. BTW, in regards to your question about ordering filters, depending on what each one checks for and does, the order in which they are displayed (and therefore checked) may be important. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.6 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Organizing Filters
Thanks for the information on sub-filters. That could be very useful for me. And I had forgotten about the Alt thing to drag filters. -- Best regards, Kittymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Executing all filters at once in all folders
Is there a way I can make all filters run on their respective folders at once - rather than going to each folder at a time and 're-filtering'? -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.85.03 with K9 on Windows XP 5.1 tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Executing all filters at once in all folders
Hallo Marten, On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:54:34 +GMT (21-12-2006, 16:54 , where I live), you wrote: MG Is there a way I can make all filters run on their respective folders at MG once - rather than going to each folder at a time and 're-filtering'? I don't think so. -- Groetjes, Roelof The Innocent, the Eager, and the Doomed. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.95.1 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpj0HMbLBXM9.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Executing all filters at once in all folders
Hallo Marten, On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:54:34 +GMT (21-12-2006, 16:54 , where I live), you wrote: MG Is there a way I can make all filters run on their respective folders at MG once - rather than going to each folder at a time and 're-filtering'? I don't think so. Bother... -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.85.03 with K9 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: lost folders and filters
Hi On Friday 17 November 2006 at 2:43:44 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Sandy wrote: i broke my arm today and cannot type with rt hand left hand somehow lost all the mail in my folders and they are gone too I seem to remember reading about something like ctrl+alt+shift+L to find lost folders that are still in the right place on disk but not showing up in TB! but cannot remember details. Do you have tabs at bottom of your folder list? You may just have the clicked onto a tab viewing only folders with unread messages, for example. Hope your arm is on the mend. -- Best regards, MFPA Don't talk unless you can improve on the silence Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: lost folders and filters
Hello MFPA, i broke my arm today and cannot type with rt hand left hand somehow lost all the mail in my folders and they are gone too I seem to remember reading about something like ctrl+alt+shift+L to find lost folders that are still in the right place on disk but not showing up in TB! An quite impossible key combination with only one hand ;) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.85.03 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: lost folders and filters
Hi On Sunday 19 November 2006 at 6:33:35 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], MAU wrote: ctrl+alt+shift+L An quite impossible key combination with only one hand ;) Pen in mouth? (-: -- Best regards, MFPA Put knot yore trust inn spel chequers Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: lost folders and filters
MAU @ 2006-11-19 12:33:35 PM lost folders and filters mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I seem to remember reading about something like ctrl+alt+shift+L to find lost folders that are still in the right place on disk but not showing up in TB! An quite impossible key combination with only one hand ;) For the time being, turn on StickyKeys. This will allow you to execute any key combination with one hand. To turn on StickyKeys, open Accessibility Options in the Control Panel, check the box, and click OK. You may want to investigate some of the other options to see if they would be useful. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death, your right to say it. -Voltaire pgpFhmIoLBUzt.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: lost folders and filters
Chris, Thankyou so much. I turned on sticky keys and did the key combination. Message was something like no folders found. Then I tried folder repair and maintenancefolders all turned up in that program, were scanned and comment nothing to fix appeared, but said one folder doesn't exist. at the end of this most of my messages and folders are not visable. Sandy Chris W. wrote: MAU @ 2006-11-19 12:33:35 PM lost folders and filters mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I seem to remember reading about something like ctrl+alt+shift+L to find lost folders that are still in the right place on disk but not showing up in TB! An quite impossible key combination with only one hand ;) For the time being, turn on StickyKeys. This will allow you to execute any key combination with one hand. To turn on StickyKeys, open Accessibility Options in the Control Panel, check the box, and click OK. You may want to investigate some of the other options to see if they would be useful. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: lost folders and filters
I can't thank you enough! I hit tabs and they are back. Sandy I seem to remember reading about something like ctrl+alt+shift+L to find lost folders that are still in the right place on disk but not showing up in TB! but cannot remember details. Do you have tabs at bottom of your folder list? You may just have the clicked onto a tab viewing only folders with unread messages, for example. Hope your arm is on the mend. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: lost folders and filters
Hello Sandy, On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:43:44 -0500 GMT (17/11/2006, 09:43 +0700 GMT), Sandy wrote: S i broke my arm today and cannot type with rt hand Sorry to hear that. S left hand somehow lost all the mail in my folders and they are gone too S icons changed and i cant make new filter/ That's weird. I don't know how you could have achieved that. S sorry for basic question very rattled about arm and now old special S messages Can you use the mouse, or only the keyboard? I guess your question is about how to create new filters, correct me if I'm wrong. -- Cheers, Thomas. 10. A computer program will always do what you tell it to do, but rarely what you want it to do. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
lost folders and filters
i broke my arm today and cannot type with rt hand left hand somehow lost all the mail in my folders and they are gone too icons changed and i cant make new filter/ sorry for basic question very rattled about arm and now old special messages any help thanks sandy Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Common filters - where are share with settings stored?
Hi I managed to lose all my common filters by accidentally moving the file %appdata%\The Bat!\account.srb. I have replaced the blank account.srb automatically created with the file I moved and now have the common filters back but they now all have a list of blank tickboxes on the share with tab when viewed in sorting office (and of course do not work as they are shared with no accounts). Before I plough through and manually reinstate the share with settings for each filter, can anybody suggest in which file it is stored (as it would appear not to be in account.srb)? -- Best regards, MFPA Lack of money is no obstacle. Lack of an idea is an obstacle. Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hi Everyone, Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 8:19:38 AM, I wrote: PN Do any of you agree this might be a desirable configuration option? PN And if I entered it on Ritlabs' Wish List, would you support it? Based on the feedback I've received to these questions, I've concluded that there is no need to submit my idea to the wish list. I probably have a few more years before I have to have everything automated ... at least a few anyway. ;-) Thank you all for sharing your thoughts. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hi On Tuesday 31 October 2006 at 1:19:38 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Perry Nelson wrote: it occurs to me that it might be desirable to have the option to make create common filter a sticky selection Sounds reasonable, although I don't think I've ever created a filter that way. Also, I think it would be helpful if The Bat! would prompt me when I save a common filter to specify which accounts I want it applied to Yes that would be very helpful to me, too. I make extensive use of common filters and have lost count of the times I created a new filter but did not apply it to any accounts. -- Best regards, MFPA During an eruption - move away from the volcano - not towards it Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hi MFPA, Wednesday, November 1, 2006, 7:55:59 AM, you wrote: it occurs to me that it might be desirable to have the option to make create common filter a sticky selection M Sounds reasonable, although I don't think I've ever created a filter M that way. Chris W. said something similar. I suppose you both go to the Sorting Office and select the Common Filters from the account dropdown list and type in the conditions on which to filter and the actions to take. That strategy is, to me, analogous to writing a macro from scratch rather just turning on a macro recorder and then performing the actions you want it to take. Both work and neither is wrong, of course. They just reflect different paths to the same destination. Also, I think it would be helpful if The Bat! would prompt me when I save a common filter to specify which accounts I want it applied to M Yes that would be very helpful to me, too. I make extensive use of M common filters and have lost count of the times I created a new M filter but did not apply it to any accounts. This second portion of my wish seems to elicit more support than the first part, not that there's anything wrong with that. Thanks for contributing your thoughts. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hi On Wednesday 1 November 2006 at 1:30:06 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Perry Nelson wrote: Chris W. said something similar. I suppose you both go to the Sorting Office and select the Common Filters from the account dropdown list and type in the conditions on which to filter and the actions to take. I think if I did it your way I would often end up hitting the edit button and using the Sorting Office GUI as many of my filters are not if from this one name/address move to the folder bearing that correspondent's name within the account I'm currently browsing. They just reflect different paths to the same destination. Horses for courses, as they say. Thanks for contributing your thoughts. It was a pleasure (-: -- Best regards, MFPA Yellow snow is not lemon flavoured Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hi TBUDL, I have three accounts in The Bat! Normally, when I create filters they apply to the specific account in which they were created. Later when a correspondent sends a message to that account it is filtered properly, assuming I have set the filter up properly. That is the behavior I would anticipate, and it is the behavior I see. All is good. But sometimes that same correspondent sends a message to one of my other accounts. And when that happens, his message is not filtered because the filter was defined, and therefore resides, in another account. Again, that is what I would expect, and The Bat! performs as it should. But I'd like to collect all messages from that same correspondent into one folder in one of my three accounts no matter which account he sent it to, and I'd like to do that automatically with filters. That, it seems to me, is one of the rationales for the use of common filters. When I highlight a message and choose to create a filter for it, I find that there is a check box on the dialog to create common filter. Therefore I have the option to create a common filter *from* any account when I'm on a message of the type I want to filter. That's good, I think. I conclude that if I want to filter all messages from a particular correspondent into a folder, regardless of the account to which it is sent, I should create a common filter for incoming messages from that correspondent. So I tested my thinking. I created a common filter for one of my correspondents that moves his messages into the folder of my choice, and it didn't work. Upon investigating the cause, I realized that I had to have the common filter apply to all accounts (an option for which is found under a tab that exists only for common filters). I changed that option and re-tested the filter, and now it works as I had anticipated. Excellent, says I. So now I have a way to create filters that apply to all accounts, and I've solved this particular problem. I wanted to share this musing with you, in the event that you too have a similar need. As I think about this strategy however, the only downside I see is that I must remember to check that create common filter checkbox. Unfortunately, remembering isn't one of my strong suits. So it occurs to me that it might be desirable to have the option to make create common filter a sticky selection, which is off by default but which a user can turn on if she or he knows the consequences and wishes to have The Bat! exhibit that behavior. Also, I think it would be helpful if The Bat! would prompt me when I save a common filter to specify which accounts I want it applied to, again because of the likelihood that I would forget to go to the common filter and specify that option. Do any of you agree this might be a desirable configuration option? And if I entered it as on Ritlabs' Wish List, would you support it? If not, what are the pitfalls you see or reasons why you don't think it is a good idea. Thanks for the benefit of your thoughts. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hello Perry! On Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 7:19 AM, you wrote: Do any of you agree this might be a desirable configuration option? And if I entered it as on Ritlabs' Wish List, would you support it? Speaking for myself, Yes, yes, yes! Write the Wish List report, please. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hi Mary, Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 8:58:34 AM, you wrote: Do any of you agree this might be a desirable configuration option? And if I entered it as on Ritlabs' Wish List, would you support it? MB Speaking for myself, Yes, yes, yes! MB Write the Wish List report, please. Thanks for the support, Mary. I think I'll hold off on submitting the wish until others have had a chance to weigh in though. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hi Mary, Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 10:16:46 AM, you wrote: MB But I copied your post to my Troubleshooting file, so I won't have MB to do a search here when I'm ready to use it. Thanks for elaborating on your possible use of my idea. For things like this, rather than copying to a file, I've created a color group that I call Instructional, though it could just as easily be called Troubleshooting if you prefer, and I've created a virtual folder for such messages. Just another way to skin a cat. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hello Perry! On Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 8:20 AM, you wrote: Do any of you agree this might be a desirable configuration option? And if I entered it as on Ritlabs' Wish List, would you support it? MB Speaking for myself, Yes, yes, yes! MB Write the Wish List report, please. Thanks for the support, Mary. I think I'll hold off on submitting the wish until others have had a chance to weigh in though. Makes sense. You did ask for discussion, pro and con. I would find it quite useful. I happen to have three accounts, and a favorite relative occasionally writes to all three. I read him by clicking on the MailTicker, and then I have to hunt the message down, in one of two other inboxes, since that message didn't come in to the account that filters him to his folder. Not a really big deal, but multiplied by several, could get time-consuming. I didn't have time to study your work-around and implement it. I'm dealing with a number of other issues this morning, including a new computer's vagaries. But I copied your post to my Troubleshooting file, so I won't have to do a search here when I'm ready to use it. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Perry Nelson @ 2006-10-31 7:19:38 AM Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] When I highlight a message and choose to create a filter for it, I find that there is a check box on the dialog to create common filter. Personally, I never create filters this way. I just using the Sorting Office. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Today's Oxymoron: Terribly pleased pgpZ0i18kQOGD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hi Chris, Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 2:59:46 PM, you wrote: When I highlight a message and choose to create a filter for it, I find that there is a check box on the dialog to create common filter. CW Personally, I never create filters this way. I just using the CW Sorting Office. I respect the fact that there are several different ways to create a filter, so my request wouldn't help you, it seems. On the other hand, it wouldn't hurt you either, I assume. Thanks for your input. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hello Perry Nelson everyone else, on 31-Okt-2006 at 14:19 you (Perry Nelson) wrote: Do any of you agree this might be a desirable configuration option? And if I entered it as on Ritlabs' Wish List, would you support it? If not, what are the pitfalls you see or reasons why you don't think it is a good idea. I don't know if it is really necessary to have a configuration option for the state of a single tickbox, really. After all, creating a filter requires a bit of attention right from the start, and I think now that you're aware that you can create common filters that way, you'll remember to check that tickbox. ;-) However, you have mentioned another point that would be worth a wishlist entry because IMHO, a new common filter by default should simply apply to all accounts (I've stumbled over this each time I created a new common filter). After all, the whole point of common filters is that they apply to multiple accounts. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) NP: Sun by The Ambush (from the 1994 album The Ambush) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Perry, Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 7:20:19 PM, you wrote: PN I think I'll hold off on submitting the wish until others have had PN a chance to weigh in though. I support it wholeheartedly. I have two main accounts and my wife has one, and we do get mail from friends to all of them; in fact, friends for some reason will copy all three on the same e-mail even though they know all three are on one little laptop here. I've set up filters manually for them by copying them one by one, but it would indeed be nice to do it your way, and I'll will implement it ASAP. - -- Thanks, Rick -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) - GPGshell v3.52 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJFR3VKAAoJELf6ImSjvaeWVEYP/jBqW2sHycrkKYyVG+vi8W57 2c5x1WU6THS5riXFllWOv3+9B7WDYEemDpUCUWPtr7z4gMkLpfGp3SM1vN6GvOpO qcwi49kdZUOS72yKAg3sD8SU9oL0YZkGovLx2Oyx9FdF/VZWOXroBNFz3B1d6jb3 XN7VM2L1613/4u5TMiILmac4FP3YxTsYqjbMncYhOX18PG3+8Q9TuMgOcFfIlC86 r1V6ItEU0C/mYRU6mlhl/Uf3D7smhjlols1HICP+ytlpDPoLVbpDrG0JfIelbIhc 78AC07DKsElzftIy7UpLER3W600NwDwfv0Mun2Bo3hkVjRdrakjb2XoNA0yhpog2 lX1aMVM40AVz0wkFvrX1jkB2+nmQhCdsOzfWW+05DpGNXnmZmr60CHIzxVKMfloX JcoLCANBZDbh7/qBR7M4gr+eiGZX82OtXhjycScvNvvLdJShTgfTzYCuhaO2OvmT krWgnjNx1KFMVc+dLtrLROxImHwQghaKRO3n4PFGh0Ns+74foyn4zwMQ7v1ESOlP /qxlNNs3LtwzCX4NpM8vA+bLY3GU8NcRfoWAps3q8uLIJ3QaIc8xDQl3sN88xO/E btYlMrQuaENfm2wTLmxSMnUOVHoHLcb16IeTuFjgk+iKIQreJrRcbW9Cy5k6C2yT ntmeEf8Nny//Rr28wWBD =Uh6C -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hi Richard, Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 11:09:49 AM, you wrote: RHS I support it wholeheartedly. I have two main accounts and my wife RHS has one, and we do get mail from friends to all of them; in fact, RHS friends for some reason will copy all three on the same e-mail even RHS though they know all three are on one little laptop here. I've set RHS up filters manually for them by copying them one by one, but it RHS would indeed be nice to do it your way, and I'll will implement it RHS ASAP. Thanks for your input, Richard. Fortunately for both of us, using common filters doesn't require any changes to The Bat!. That capability already exists. It only requires a little more attention to detail than I sometimes give to what I'm doing. If I could set the dialog to remember my preference for creating common filters, it would make my life a little easier. The Bat! already epitomizes the essence of choice in many things. This wish merely extends that trend, it seems to me. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Musings on Common Filters and Multiple Accounts
Hi Alexander, Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 5:08:07 PM, you wrote: Do any of you agree this might be a desirable configuration option? ASK I don't know if it is really necessary to have a configuration ASK option for the state of a single tickbox, really. After all, ASK creating a filter requires a bit of attention right from the start, ASK and I think now that you're aware that you can create common ASK filters that way, you'll remember to check that tickbox. ;-) Your point is well taken. Now that I am aware of how to do this, I'm sure that's the way I'll create most, if not all, filters in the future, and that is why I'd like the tickbox to be sticky. My rationale for making it a configuration option is that I don't want to impose my preferences on everyone else by requesting that the option be set that way by default, thus requiring everyone else to either follow my practice or to have to untick it, if they don't want it that way. ASK However, you have mentioned another point that would be worth a ASK wishlist entry because IMHO, a new common filter by default should ASK simply apply to all accounts (I've stumbled over this each time I ASK created a new common filter). After all, the whole point of common ASK filters is that they apply to multiple accounts. :-) I agree, as you would suspect. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
