Re: 1.41 .exe size
Hello Leif, On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 at 01:16:11 [GMT +0900], you wrote: LG The the_bat.exe (after installation) is still compressed. When LG run, it uncompresses to the full size in RAM. 1.39 and 1.41 are LG 3MB when uncompressed (in RAM). Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear as LG to my meaning. I hate it when I do that!! Forgot to add, version 1.41 is not compressed, so you see the size as it would be in RAM. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.41 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: It is hard to understand how a cemetery raised its burial cost and blamed it on the cost of living. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: 1.41 .exe size
Hello Fred, On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 at 18:17:11 [GMT -0500], you wrote: FW I beg to differ. The file size of thebat.exe (version 1.41 final) FW which I downloaded from rit's beta only section, and am currently FW using, is 3,091,968. FW Are you saying the if I downloaded the_bat.exe and ran the full FW install, the .exe would be one-third the size? If so, this doesn't FW make sense. Why have two different size executables? And FW furthermore, why not have the smaller one available for those of FW use who don't need the full install? Oh boy... When I answered the original question in this thread, I didn't expect to have to explain in detail. Ok, first off: Version: 1.391.41 Dnld size: 1.66MB 1.58MB TB exe after install 1.22MB 3.02MB TB footprint in RAM 3.15MB 3.16MB The above was based on the 1.41 official release from the RITLabs FTP site which was 1.58MB. Now, some of the people on this list grabbed the 1.41 from the beta section which was x.xxMB. Whether this was compressed in the (ZIP/RAR) sense, I don't know. I didn't download that one. Now, almost everyone should be familiar with ZIP and/or RAR. These are compression schemes very commonly used on the Internet to minimize download times. There is another type of compression, which is aimed at conserving disk space (ZIP and RAR are for this purpose too, I know, but I'm talking after an application has been installed). I'm not a big programmer, so I'm not going to pretend that I understand exactly what happens, but most-- if not almost all --applications you install have their primary executable compressed. This conserves physical disk space. When you run the application, it uncompresses in RAM, and the rest we all know about (the application is running). RITLabs has in the past released updates where the executable was not compressed. Why? I don't know... I've installed those before too, but my point is/was that the 3MB version of 1.41 dnlded from the beta testers area was an uncompressed executable which means that this is pretty much how the file will be in RAM (don't get started on paginating...) grin If you'd like to prove this to yourself, then use a program called procdump (sorry, I don't have a URL) on TB v1.39. It'll dump out a file that is 3MB which is pretty much an image of how it is in RAM. This file is executable in its uncompressed state. Hopefully this put this issue to rest. A simple search on the Internet should provide as detailed information as you want if this subject interests you. Thanks. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.41 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A bad case of cranial intrusion into the rectal cavity. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TBUDL used for spamming
Hello John, On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 at 11:17:56 [GMT +0900], you wrote: JDH Not doubt you all got the same SPAM mail as I, but I wonder how many of JDH you noticed the header information: G. Apparently somebody took the time to subscribe to the list, and then used that subscribe address to spam the list. I'm sorry that this has happened, and I will be spending some time tracking this offender down. Unfortunately, there is no way to prevent this. Any one of us subscribed to the list can just as easily spam the list. This address will be unsubscribed immediately. Again, sorry, but it is impossible to stop someone who spams in this manner. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.41 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Born ugly and built to last. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Rogues Gallery
Hello users, We've gotten quite a few new members to TBUDL and TBBETA, so just note for those who don't know about it. TBUDL and TBBETA have a rogues gallery set up. This page contains pictures and e-mail addresses for many members of TBUDL and TBBETA. They are cropped to the perfect size for inclusion into your TheBat! address books. You can view the Rouges Gallery here: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/rogues.shtml I still need more pics! The offer is still open to those who don't have a scanner. Just e-mail me and I'll give you my mailing address, and I'll scan the photo for you (for free even! grin). If you already have a digital photo you'd like to have included in the Rogues Gallery, then crop it to 120x144 and e-mail them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please take a look at the Rogues Gallery first so that you can see what would be the best way to crop your image. Thanks. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Inspected by #13. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Moderators note: Everything you need to know
Hello users, Every once in a while we want to remind you all of all the things related to TBUDL/TBBETA. TBUDL/TBBETA FAQ: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat Wish List (maintained by Konstantin G.): http://www.konstantin-online.de/bat/ TBUDL list archive: http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com TBBETA list archive: http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com TB keyboard shortcuts list (maintained by Dmitry Potapenko): http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/shortcut.eng Rogues Gallery: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/rogues.shtml Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.41 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Flashlight: A case for holding dead batteries. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Mailer info?
Hello Tony, Basically, anyone whose mailer info does not include the "personal" etc. stuff after the version, means that they registered their copy of TB before RITLabs changed their registration keys to include this information. You have the same version as the rest of us, it's just that we registered ages ago, therefore our registration information differs. On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 at 12:01:53 [GMT +], you wrote: TB My copy is registered, I assume everyone else is, so why the TB difference? Is my version the same or do you all know something I TB don't? Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.41 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A "running mate" is a husband who dared to talk back. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Beware The Beta
Hello Simon, This needs to go to TBBETA. TBUDL is for official releases. When we start mixing the two, people get really confused as to whether it is an official or beta feature. Believe me, it has happened quite a bit. Thanks. On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 at 22:44:00 [GMT +], you wrote: S TB! 1.42 Beta/2 a bit dodgy. DON'T try and drag folders into other S folders whilst holding down the ALT key else your message base gets S mighty cocked up. Also, deleting/emptying folders causes temporary S freeze. S My advice, *bak up* everything. BTW. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/2 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: When you go into court you are putting yourself in the hands of 12 people that weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Mailer info?
Hello Simon, No, I think "Oh gracious founders and terraformers of all that is TB'ness, I humbly ask for your great wisdom and insight into my mortal problem." would suffice! grin :^) On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 at 17:28:34 [GMT +], you wrote: S Hello elite one. So you lot are our forefathers then eh! So should S we address you as 'Sire' when we post to TBUDL i future? ;-) Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/2 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: If what you don't know can't hurt you, she's practically invulnerable. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Message ID
Hello Simon, Generally, it's a time/date stamp, but this isn't always the case. For example, using the one you provided, I would venture to guess that the message might have been created at 0231 on 02 December 1997. However, I have also seen randomly generated ones *based on* system time, and I have also seen some that use a Julian date. I can't remember where I read it, but there was a really good explanation somewhere. I'll look for it and post it to the list if I can find it again. All in all, its purpose is like Allie said where it is to provide a unique message identifier. On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 at 17:34:29 [GMT +], you wrote: S Can anyone tell me what the Message-ID: S [EMAIL PROTECTED] is in the Kludge of your email? That S is, its function. Also, does anyone know how the prefixed figure is S generated and whether it is based on anyhting relevant or only S useful only to TB! Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: When you go into court you are putting yourself in the hands of 12 people that weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: filtering messages with attachments
Hello Paula, At one point I had a filter set up to kill messages with attachments by filtering on the multipart/mixed; boundary---, but I deleted it ages ago. I'll have to play with it again to see how I did it. What I was originally trying to do was kill filter based on the attachment filename. For example, if someone sent me the "goober.jpg" which was a 3MB image, I wanted to be able to kill filter based on that filename so I wouldn't have to waste time downloading it again. I don't recall ever getting it to work other than to kill all messages with attachments which wasn't what I wanted. On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 at 16:31:50 [GMT -0500], you wrote: PF I don't think I've ever gotten a message with a .tif attachment, PF but filtering works for messages I've received with other types of PF attachments. There's even a filtering option for extracting file PF attachments, so I assume that filters are intended to work on PF messages with attachments. PF Could you provide more detail on how you have the filter set up? Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket? -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Using Macros for header (%RETURNPATH=...)
Hello Alexander, I haven't been following this thread, so please forgive me if I missed something. I remember back when I first set up TBUDL using TB, and RITLabs was hooking me up with a new binary just about every other day to correct problems I had when setting up the list under TB. One thing I discovered was that some SMTP and some POP3 servers strip the Return-Path from messages. For those long time members, you'll remember getting bounce messages that included everyone's e-mail address whenever a list post bounced from a subscriber. It was shortly after that when RITLabs included the Return-Path header to fix my problem. However, it still wasn't working and we came to discover that my SMTP server was stripping them. I changed SMTP servers, and still had problems. I then also changed my POP3 server and had no problems after that. I noticed you were using 1.41 (final), and I've got some test messages I had done in HTML from 1.41 beta3. All of them included the correct Return-Path header. I also just sent and received a cpl of test messages under 1.42 beta 3, and both of them retained the correct RETURN-PATH statement. I'm still not sure why you're losing them. It might have something to do with being the very first header. Maybe it gets stripped off when it is the first header by your gateway. On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 at 00:08:36 [GMT +0300], you wrote: AVK Now an interesting question is: why in the Outbox there _exists_ AVK the Return- Path: header, _but_ it's stripped out by TB itself AVK when the message is actually sent. One might assume that this AVK header is treated by TB as a temporary one: TB might use it to AVK determine, on behalf of which address the message is to be sent AVK during the SMTP session, that is, what address should be used by AVK the program as an argument to the MAIL FROM command. AVK Another thing, BTW. I do _not_ see the Return-Path: header when AVK examining the RFC822 headers of your messages to TBUDL, Michael. AVK If TB sent the messages _with_ this header, how and when could it AVK perrish? AVK Okay, all this is an assumption only. I'd sure wish to hear any AVK other explanation of my experiments, if there exists one;-) Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: I'd have a really cool .sig, but right now I can't even remember my own damn name. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: remove from address book
Hello Alexander, He's about to cause a vicious mail loop when we stick him on read-only status. We'll see how long his mail server can take it. On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 at 01:30:17 [GMT +0300], you wrote: AVK Okay, will this AOL idiot get lost finally? He seems to be able AVK to set up an autoresponder. Never thought an AOL user would ever AVK succeed in doing it;-). But right now he's just spamming the AVK list! Moderators, where are you? Not using The Bat. Please remove [EMAIL PROTECTED] from address book. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/4 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Give me ambiguity or give me something else. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: filters
Hello Chris, Ok, this finally convinced me to write the how-to on filters that I promised to do ages ago. It's long, but very detailed. I wrote it in a cpl of hours, so there are bound to be some mistakes. Please take a look at it and let me know of the ones you find or any omissions, or places where I could develop it more. http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/filtering.shtml Thanks. On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 at 10:47:59 [GMT -0500], you wrote: CV Could someone direct me to some "how-to's" on setting up filters? CV The Bat! is very much different than any other mailer I've used. CV It will take some getting used to. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/4 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: while( !asleep() ) sheep++; -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: More on filters
Hello Roy, Definitely, the machine with filters is going to be slower (provided all else is equal), and it gets slower the more filters you have. It's not a reflection on TB, but on the fact that each message must be matched against every active filter. You'll take a speed hit on the complexity of your filters as well. If you have messages being parsed by some external program, or printing hardcopys, or whatever, it's gonna be slower than just a straight move message to folder filter. Kill filters are slow because of the way that they are designed to work. Again, it's not a reflection on TB, but of the inherent dual session requirements. TB must first download all message headers, then match those against kill filters. Those that are a positive match will be skipped and then deleted from the server while the rest of the messages are being downloaded. This happens in the second session TB has with the mail server. I would venture to say that even a single kill filter string would cause the overall filtering system to be slower than twenty move SPAM to trash filters. I've never tested this, but it seems reasonable. Then again, someone with a fat data pipe might be able to manage the D/L of the headers, kill filter, and then D/L the non-killed messages faster than twenty move to trash filters. Could be wrong, but that's what theories are for! grin As you said below, it is true that a filter will perform faster if it has less text to search. i.e. knowing that the string you want to filter on appears only in the SUBJECT line, and setting your filter up to search only the SUBJECT line. If you know where the string is supposed to be, then search only that area because if you are searching in TEXT OR BODY OR SUBJECT, it's a good deal of wasted effort by TB. On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 at 17:22:21 [GMT +], you wrote: RM I'm wondering what is the impact in terms of speed of various RM filters and Leifs piece had me wondering. I've noticed large RM differences in speed of download between almost identical machines RM where one was filtering and the other wasn't. I've tried deleting RM filters that search on all text as I assumed they were the slowest RM - but are kill filters that are killing 'on the server' the RM slowest? RM Cheers RM Roy Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/6 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Just remember...if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Filters (argh!)
Hello Allie, Allie is correct, in fact, I described just this sort of filter in the filter how-to at: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/filtering.shtml On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 at 16:14:57 [GMT -0500], you wrote: AM Alright ... From what you said, you seem to have successfully AM created a filter that works on incoming mail. You however wish for AM it to work only when the message is read. Well to do that, simply AM drag and drop the filter rule from the 'Inbox' filter set to the AM 'Read Messages' filter set. Look in the first page of the filter AM rule properties after doing this and make sure that under the AM "Rule Is" option that "Active" is checked but "Manual" is AM unchecked. It should now work. If it doesn't work, there is AM something wrong with the filter rule and we need more details. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/6 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A titanic intellect... In a world full of icebergs. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cascading 'From Addresses'
Hello Simon, On the whole, I tend to agree. I have had some instances where I wanted to change that info to the info from another account, but when RITLabs implemented Quick Templates, this was better, because I could also change the sig. Personally, I would like a configurable drop down box for those fields where I could specify any number of addresses regardless of whether I had an account set up with that information or not. This would be a great boon to me as I have over 30 aliases pointing to a single POP3 account for all sorts of different things like my e-zine, UDL subscriptions, newsletter/e-zine subscriptions, submissions, bug reports from my web site etc. Right now, I just use Quick Templates to do all the work, because some of those aliases are used too infrequently for them to justify their own folder, much less an account. On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 at 17:50:40 [GMT +], you wrote: S So what is the point of having the 'From Address' on the Identity S sheet under individual Folder Properties? I am probably missing S something. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/6 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: His .sig is long, boring, and stupid, but it's the best part of his posts. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: updated German helpfile
Hello Michael, No, it's not the new look and feel. He's running either a shell replacement (other than explorer.exe), or something like Windows Blinds, Litestep, or similar sort of software. On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 at 17:12:22 [GMT +0100], you wrote: MH In terms of screenshots: is this the new look and feel of The Bat! MH or did you completely change your Windows GUI control libraries? Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/7 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A room temperature IQ. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Encrypted attachments
Hello Chris, Not in version 1.x. However, version 2 is supposed to do this. On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 at 19:11:31 [GMT -0500], you wrote: CV Using PGP 6.5; is there a way to auto encrypt attachments? If CV not,I think it would be a great addition. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/7 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: The cause of perfume disappearing is evaporation. Evaporation gets blamed for a lot of things people forget to put the top on. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Encrypted attachments
Hello Nick, On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 at 18:50:02 [GMT -0800], you wrote: NA Leif, is that not a function though of PGP, rather than TB? Well, yes and no. You can encrypt the attachment and then attach it to the message, but TB won't encrypt an unecrypted attachment even when you encrypt a message after the attachment is attached. Say that 10 times fast. grin This was discussed in the interview with RITLabs as below: LG In regards to PGP, will v2... ... LG - encrypt attachments to encrypted mails, too? ST Yes. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/7 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Due to the outbreak of AIDS, employees will no longer be permitted to kiss the boss's ass. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: mailing list in TB
Hello Marek, On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 at 18:25:02 [GMT +0200], you wrote: snip MM - Each rescipient has his name in "TO" field ONLY snip MM Is it possible or not? Now, I can use list parameter in TO field, but MM it isn't professional :-( With version 1.x, no it isn't possible. With version 2 and its scripting capabilities, then it might very well be possible. We'll have to wait and see. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/8 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Creating a Mailing List ?
Hello Nick, On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 at 12:06:33 [GMT -0800], you wrote: NA I've created the Mailing List, and can see where I can enter the NA comma separated addresses, but in the Properties section, I can't NA see where I can allocate those addresses to the BCC field. I can NA only do that on an individual message basis. NA Can some kind soul point me in the right direction. Thanks so NA much... Sure, go see the how-to on setting up TB as a mailing list server at: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/mailing_lists.shtml it's also in the TB Help file under Message Filtering / TB as a mailing list server, but I haven't checked to see if it is the latest version. The one on the web site is however. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/10 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Remember folks: Stop lights timed for 35mph are also timed for 70mph. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
OT - Re: Changing folder in Folder View, etc.
Hello Alexander,
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 at 23:33:08 [GMT +0400], you wrote:
AVK What do you mean? Nope, NO definite/indefinite articles, NO silly
AVK auxillary verbs, (almost) no modal verbs of various flavours, and
AVK (as a free bonus) only _three_ tenses;-). And of course, no
AVK "sequence" of the latter. And despite all that, some people still
AVK dare to say "Russian is so-o-o hard to learn;-(".
While an interesting conversation, it's highly off-topic now. Please
take it off-list.
Thanks.
Leif Gregory
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Re: Merging two instances of TB!
Hello Tom, On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 at 13:32:30 [GMT -0700], you wrote: TP I'd like to merge them both into one installation on my laptop. TP That way I can also answer messages while on the road (bonus!)... TP Anyway, it's obvious that I can't just file merge them; does TP anyone have any suggestions on so doing? TP I have three folders total, but only one appears in both places. TP Moving the other two should be trivial, but is the apparently-easy TP solution of exporting all of my messages in all of my folders on TP both of my installations and then merging them together a good way TP to go? I'll have a bit of duplication unfortunately but shouldn't TP be too terrible. The best way to take care of that folder that appears on both machines is to rename one of them. Then copy those folders onto the laptop and create folders with the same name. It will tell you that the folder already exists, and do you want to use it. Say yes, and then move the messages in the folder you renamed (so as to avoid conflict of the other same named folder) to the correct folder. Then delete that renamed folder. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/16 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A better way to DoubleSpace your disk: DEL C:\WINDOWS\*.* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Using TB! as a mail server?
Hello Mark, On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 at 10:55:19 [GMT +0100], you wrote: MRH My question is therefore, is there anyway to setup TB! (using MRH this server mode) that would allow me to use TB! as a client away MRH from the office and access my message bases held on my office MRH machine? I believe you are referencing the how-to on setting up TB as a *mailing list* server. This is quite a bit different than having a mail server. There are a few ways in which you could sort-of do what you are asking. 1. By far the easiest, is to use an IMAP compliant mail server for your messages. While TB v1.x doesn't quite support IMAP fully, I have found it sufficient for my needs. Unfortunately, this would be a problem because you said that you have multiple accounts set up to collect your mail from different places to put into the main account. 2. Enable the "keep messages on server" in the account properties at both home and work. This will let you get your mail at work and at home. What you will want to do then is to set up an incoming filter on the home machine with an action of "delete message from server" option enabled. You will have to fiddle around with the filter string, but it shouldn't be too hard. This option also does not help with the multiple account set-up you have. 3. Set up a filter to forward or redirect all incoming mail on your work machine to send to your home e-mail address. This one does address your multi-account set-up, but you will have to most likely include the forwarding/redirect filter in each account. I haven't tested it, but if TB considers moved messages to one account from another account as an incoming message, then you might be able to get away with just having the forward/redirect filter in the main account. I doubt it though. 4. Set up a filter that exports each incoming message to a designated folder, and then ftp those exported messages from home and import them into TB. You'll have to set up this filter for each account you have. With exception to option 1, these aren't the greatest ideas. However, this is what option 1 was designed for; to be able to access your mailbox(s) with all its messages from multiple computers. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/16 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Guillotining him would make only an aesthetic difference. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Vote for The Bat!
Hello Mark, On Mon, 17 Apr 2000 at 14:08:44 [GMT +0100], you wrote: MRH "Hands Up" all those who really want skins in TB! next of all!!! Start running, I'm going to get my shotgun... grin Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/17 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: One live brain cell away from being a talking monkey. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
DeadHorse - was Re: SOT: Replacement for M$'s Word?
Hello users, On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 at 19:14:03 [GMT +0200], you wrote: CJT StarOffice also lacks support for languages like Polish so it is CJT disqualified at the very beginning. Deadhorse on this thread. It's been going on a while, and is "SERIOUSLY Off-Topic!". Thanks. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/18 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A "sucking chest wound" is nature's way of saying slow down. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: General/Wish/RAR Help
Hello David, On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 at 19:52:01 [GMT -0500], you wrote: DS First, a list of the various wish-list requests that have been DS made. It would be nice to have an idea of what sort of direction DS the client will be going in the future. Maybe post it on the beta DS page. Check the wish-list page maintained by Konstantin: http://www.konstantin-online.de/bat/ DS An option so that, when editing a message, when you click in an DS area to the right of anything that's been entered already, the DS cursor is not simply placed in never-never land, but placed at the DS end of that particular line (also known as: disallow cursor DS placement beyond end of line). I think at first, most people who aren't used to this type of editing (If you've used Borland C++ IDE, then this is old hat), find it disconcerting. However, once you get used to it, you'll see it has much more flexibility than one which puts the cursor at the end of the line. I love being able to click anywhere in a message and start typing right at that spot. However, if you just can't stand it, version 2 is supposed to either have an option to choose whichever way you like, or supports an external user defined editor. Leif (my cursor, my choice) Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/18 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A 10K brain attached to a 9600 baud mouth. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: About color groups
Hello yice, On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 at 11:02:35 [GMT +0800], you wrote: y Just now I upgraded my TB to 1.42 b18, And I found a new feature, y color group. I think this is a respond of RIT to user's request and y a good one. But I also found this feature only can be set to a y message manually. I don't find the correspond action in the sorting y office. I hope it can be set automatically by a filter. Does I use y this feature in a wrong way? Please note that TBUDL is for discussion of official releases. TBBETA is for discussion of beta releases. We try to keep them separate as to not confuse anyone. I'm responding off-list to your question though. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/18 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A 1200 baud brain attached to a 28800 baud mouth. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Slogans
Hello Tony, On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 at 10:58:09 [GMT +0100], you wrote: LG My favorite is still: LG "The Bat! email client. Everything else is just Guano!" TB Glad you like it. I thought of it when I was messing about with TB GIMP in Linux making some wallpaper months ago. TB I'll send you if it you want to include in your wallpaper section TB if you think it good enough? TB It's 600x800 and is 129k zipped. I'd normally reply to this off-list, but I wanted to remind everyone. There is a The Bat! wallpaper and graphics section on the TBUDL FAQ page. If you made something using TB, send it to me. I'll post it on the page. It's at http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/wallpaper.shtml The ones I got up there now are quickies that I made while playing with some Photoshop filters. I'd like to share the embarrassment with someone else too. grin Thanks. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/18 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: I'd have a really cool .sig, but right now I can't even remember my own damn name. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Rogues gallery.
Hello users, Just a friendly reminder about the rogues gallery. I'd like to pack some more pics in there. http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/rogues.shtml The offer is still open to those who don't have a scanner. Just e-mail me and I'll give you my mailing address, and I'll scan the photo for you (for free even! grin). I'll even return it if you include a self addressed stamped envelope. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/18 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: The cause of perfume disappearing is evaporation. Evaporation gets blamed for a lot of things people forget to put the top on. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
OT - was Re: Slogans - was Re: Sentence on download.com
Hello Tony, On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 at 12:57:32 [GMT +0100], you wrote: TB And on that that note I think we should change the subject... Just TB in case some people do find the subject offensive. Regardless, it's OT. Please take it off-list. Thank you. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/18 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A bottle in front of me's better than a frontal lobotomy -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! 1.42, Cyrus IMAP 1.5.19 and unread messages
Hello Sam, On Sat, 29 Apr 2000 at 08:20:15 [GMT -0400], you wrote: SS I am trying TB! 1.42 and have a problem. TB! installed just fine, SS contacted the IMAP server appropriately, found all my folders SS properly, but will ONLY show me unread messages in the view pane. SS In fact, it will not even display folder names that do not contain SS unread messages. Try SHFT-CTRL-F2 to dispatch mail for all messages (read and unread). Just a warning though. TB doesn't fully support IMAP4 in version 1.x. However, version 2.x is supposed to implement it fully. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/20 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Wasn't abused as a child, but should have been. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! WishList
Hello Allie, On Tue, 2 May 2000 at 12:58:42 [GMT -0500], you wrote: AM I just tried it Steve. I am using beta 20. In thread view AM CTRLSHIFTDel deletes single messages with no other messages AM attached. I'm not smoking anything. I'm not hallucinating. :-) I'm AM using TB! version 1.42b20 in Win2K. G... This is why we separate TBUDL and TBBETA. :-) Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/20 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A bunch of bunnies hopping backwards: a receding hare line. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Threading (Was: TB! WishList)
Hello Steve, On Thu, 4 May 2000 at 09:10:21 [GMT -0700], you wrote: I used to make that sort of mistake before re-implementing threading. SL We went over this. Threading's interface, to me, is severely SL broken compared to mutt's. When it approaches that ease of use and SL power then I'll turn it on, until then not. Steve gets a big wet kiss from the moderators for changing the SUBJECT when the topic changed. licking lips SMOOCH! Thanks. vbg Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/21 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket? -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Mac XLat tables
Hello Howard, On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 at 21:52:06 [GMT +0800], you wrote: H I have a question H Can "TheBat!" run on Mac platform? H I use TB since 1.01, and asked the development team to H build Mac edition long time ago. H It seems impossible... :-( AFAIK, no. There are only two programmers (Max and Stefan), and TBUDL/TBBETA keeps them quite busy making the PC version better than ever. Maybe they can port something later (if there is Delphi for MAC, I don't know 'cause I'm not a programmer.) :-) Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.44 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A one-bit brain with a parity error. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: %Quotestyle question
Hello Steve, On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 at 08:02:23 [GMT -0700], you wrote: SL Registration, Reply Templates. Those are the only REs in there. I SL checked before posting. Check the Contents tab, 2nd from the bottom. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.44 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: We are NOT surrounded. We're just in a target-rich environment. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report ~ Attachfile Macro
Hello Nick, On Mon, 3 Jul 2000 at 11:07:16 [GMT -0700], you wrote: ML BTW, do you think we should move this thread to the TBBETA list? NA I don't see why we have to Ming-Li. We are not even sure if there NA is a bug, and even if there was, how are we to know if it's NA attributable to the Beta. I mean, everyone is using the latest NA Beta, so I don't understand what criteria would be used to NA differentiate what should be discussed on TBUDL or TBBETA. Perhaps NA Marck could step in here and give us some direction. TBUDL is for discussion concerning issues with official releases (read non-beta), while TBBETA is for, you guessed it, issues concerning betas. We keep them separate so as to not confuse the people who don't use betas with discussion of beta specific problems on TBUDL. So, the short answer to your question, is if the problem/bug is apparent only in a beta release, then it needs to be moved/discussed on TBBETA. Hope this clears up the issue. Thanks. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/5 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Always sharpening his sleeping skills. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How can I make default to don't place 'Re' prefix in replies ?
Konnichi wa Serge, On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 at 18:18:18 [GMT +0400], you wrote: SSY Yes, thanx a lot, it works ! Maybe You also can tell me how can I SSY remove them if they are added by other person ? Ooooh, that's a difficult one-- for me at least. Some people on here are proficient with REGEXPs, and I think you will need to set one of these up to "filter" out the RE from someone's message SUBJECT. Ask a question about REGEXPs and your need to remove the RE. Someone on here will probably hook you up. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/9 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Books you'll never see; Children's book of pop-up anatomy. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Fwd: The Bat 1.44 registered code
Hello Thomas, On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 at 02:01:17 [GMT +0800], you wrote: TF Hallo Hubert, TF can you please tell me what you need my register code for? TF Hi im from poland end im use the bat 1.44 , sorry im some lamers TF quastion :( " what is you register code " . Sorry this lamers TF quastion , im realy very hapy if yo send my this number . H. Ignore this guy, or even better, forward that message to RITLabs. Looks like someone is trying to scam a reg number to avoid paying for TB. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/9 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A bad random number generator: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 4.33e+67, 1, 1, 1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: PGP
Hello Nick, On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 at 12:43:52 [GMT -0700], you wrote: NA "so please don't ever think you have to take anything off-List as NA a Member of PGP-Basics. Owww, was that a jab! grin Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/12 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: PGP
Hello Nick, On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 at 16:30:41 [GMT -0700], you wrote: LG Owww, was that a jab! grin NA You know Leif, after I sent the message, I was wondering if some NA might misinterpret what I had written. Hindsight is always 20/20! NA I apologize if I made it sound as if TBUDL/TBBETA was any NA different than PGP-Basics in that regard, as that was NOT my NA intention... despite my writings. :o( np... I didn't take offense, and I doubt Marck did either. :-) But just in case... YOU'RE BANNED!!! Kidding! smile Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/12 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A belly button keeps you butt from falling off. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Moderator note - was Re: FreeStuff
Hello phil, On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 at 22:31:49 [GMT -0700], you wrote: p Anyone know what the date on this is May 27, 2000? And why are we p advertising on this TBUDL? Hello Moderatar? Leif? Ya out there? I'm out here, and a private message was sent to the original poster about it. Just in case others are unsure of the moderators' stance on SPAM; We will hunt you down like the dog that you are! In all seriousness though. Do not send messages to the list like these unless it is in response to someone's question, AND it is relevant to helping them solve whatever issue it is. Thanks. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/12 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: The 50-50-90 rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there's a 90% probability you'll get it wrong. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Moderator note - was Re: FreeStuff
Hello Steve, On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 at 00:47:49 [GMT -0700], you wrote: We will hunt you down like the dog that you are! SL Please, don't insult the dogs. Oops... Point taken. Moderator stands abashed. Would slime mold be appropriate? grin Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/12 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A belly button keeps you butt from falling off. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Highlighted Quoting - was Re: original messageÂ’s text in the initial text of a reply
Hello Nick, On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 at 18:52:33 [GMT -0700], you wrote: NA I'm a mouse person... use a wheel mouse... so I assigned the NA keyboard shortcut of F4 to my wheel button. All I have to do now, NA is use the mouse to highlight the text I want to reply to, then NA hit the wheel button, and up pops a message window with just the NA text I've highlighted that I want to reply to. Hahahahahahha! I love it! I just picked up my Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer today, and your tip was timely indeed. Button four is now mapped to F4 for highlighted quoting. Thanks! Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/12 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Books you'll never see; Children's book of pop-up anatomy. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Mail notification.
Hello Nick, On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 at 00:03:30 [GMT -0700], you wrote: T Could you please send it to me? :-) NA It's yours... :o) The moderators slap Nick with a Trout! Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.45 S/MIME under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A one-bit brain with a parity error. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Newbie questions continued
Hello Arnie, On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 at 15:31:07 [GMT -0400], you wrote: A Sorry about some of these questions, but the online help is scant A (to say the least) regarding some of TB's more intriguing features. A My second question involves the folders listed in Sorting Office. A Inbox and Outbox are self explanitory, but Read Messages, Replied A Messages and Kill Filters aren't. Although shown as folders, I A can't find hide nor hair of them other than in Sorting Office A windows. A What can they be used for? Check the TBUDL FAQ page at http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/ in the How Do I section. For a direct link, please go to: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/filtering.shtml I wrote it a release or two ago, so it doesn't cover all the new stuff added recently, but it covers your question. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.45 S/MIME under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Tragic Bombs: Hiroshima'45 Chernobyl'86 Windows'95 Windows'98 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Message list columns - time, but no date
Hello Tom, On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 at 15:05:48 [GMT -0700], you wrote: JR I have in my message list columns the received and created time JR column headings. Many of these show the time only, e.g. 11.09, JR but no date... TP 1) Is this in the FAQ? It should be. I'll add it, as it has gotten quite a few questions. Thanks. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.45 S/MIME under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: To keep milk from turning sour, keep it in the cow. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Attachments - was Re: (No Subject)
Hello Jason, On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 at 16:04:30 [GMT -0800], you wrote: snip JB I also agree that support for the highly available UNIX fortune JB files should be added. Until such time, if you have access to a JB perl interpreter you can use this script to convert the fortune JB file into a cookie file. Just a reminder. Please do not send attachments to the list. If you'd like to make something available to your fellow subscribers, post a message saying you have it, and then allow people to contact you OFF-LIST to get it. -or- Put it up on a web/ftp site and provide a URL. Thanks. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.45 S/MIME under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: If there was a rule for jumping off a bridge, you'd probably use it. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! Version 1.45 and Version 1.45 S/MIME
Hello Pasquale, On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 at 08:17:52 [GMT -0400], you wrote: PJFS Not exactly a newbie... but what opens smime?, when I doubled PJFS click I got the ... what application do you want to use screen. You'll have to download TB v1.45. It's a new feature. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.45 S/MIME under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Books you'll never see; Children's book of pop-up anatomy. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...
Hello Steve, On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 at 13:58:06 [GMT -0700], you wrote: SL ...is there any way to have attachments show up at the bottom of SL the edit and folder view windows instead of the side? The side is SL absolutely the stupidest place to put it because causes the width SL of the view window to change. This is a problem in that my edit SL and view windows are wide enough for 80 characters, an attachment SL comes in (like SLIME, er, SMIME) and all of a sudden it is down to SL 72ish and I need to scroll to read/edit. Oh, believe me... I couldn't agree more. Personally, I think they should be shoved into the grey bar showing the headers and message size, similar to Outlook/OE. There is a ton of room over there on the right side. Yeah, maybe someone will complain about it shortening the available viewable area of the TO, FROM, SUBJECT etc. but oh well, you can't please everyone. Besides, if I want to see everyone a message was addressed to, I just CTRL-SHFT-K anyways. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.45 S/MIME under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: "Body by Fisher -- brains by Mattel." -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: several queries
Hello lostenroute, On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 at 18:39:04 [GMT -0500], you wrote: l (1) What exactly is it that prevents me from viewing an html l document in The Bat? None of the pictures show and and icon for l netscape points to a URL in The Bat's directory (I think); in any l rate not to the web. If the imaged is HREF'd off your machine to say, a web site, then TB displays only exclamation points. If they HREF'd the attached images, then TB will display them as normal. It was done this way on purpose. One trick spammers use, is to assign a unique ID to an image request in the HTML, so when you open the message, the image is requested from the spammers web site, the unique ID is passed along to them, and they now have a verified "live" e-mail address to sell to other spammers. You're going to find a fairly even split of people on this subject, and if you want to read past discussions concerning this, I suggest you read the list archives. Personally, I prefer it the way it is, but I foresee someone writing a plugin for v2.0 (whenever it gets out! grin) that will get the on-line images for those who want them. l (2) Why are my messages sorted by TIME all of a sudden; this is l useless to me, I want them sorted by DATE. This is covered in the FAQ. All messages received on the current date show only the time. These same messages will show the date as well once the current day has ended. Don't worry, your messages are still properly sorted. l (3) Is there any hope of fixing the bug that causes progressive l indentations of paragraphs if you happen to be at the end of the l wordwrap line and hit spacespace? One does this conventionally l after every period. This has been brought up many times as well, and Steve will be the first to side with you on this one as he also is used to the punctuation space space style of writing. You can't please everyone, and some people (like me) like using the ALT-L to remove the double-spaces from replied messages. l (4) I believe I am signed up as [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is l a pseudonym for the real account [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use the l former for web-based correspondence as, for example, when your l (ritlabs) URL had me sign up to the mailing list. So I can now only l post to TBUDL from Netscape mail, not from The Bat. If I sign up l again from jpcase. . . (using The Bat), I will doubtless get two l copies of all email and that is not acceptable. So, how do I switch l my registration? Or at least un-register by one route (lostenroute. l . .) so I can sign up by the other (jpcase. . .) Unsub the lostenroute address and sub the jpcase address. See the bottom of every message coming from this list for exact instructions. However, a quick fix to your problem is to create a folder for TBUDL messages, and make the reply and new message templates for that folder to have the FROM and REPLY-TO information as lostenroute. This way, you get the best of both worlds-- list messages sent to lostenroute, and the ability to send messages to the list using TB. l Is anyone following this? Perfectly! grin Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.45 S/MIME under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: while( !asleep() ) sheep++; -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Change Subject: line?
Hello Joe, On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 at 22:08:59 [GMT -0500], you wrote: JF Is there any way to change/edit a message's Subject: line, say JF before archiving it, to more accurately describe the message's JF subject? Well, a workaround, but not an elegant one is to move it to the OUTBOX, edit it, save it, then move it. Unfortunately, doing this changes the message date and time. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.45 S/MIME under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Percussive maintenance - The fine art of slapping the crap out of an electronic device to get it in working order again. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
OT: Moistened vs. Unmoistened - was Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...
Hello Tony, On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 at 10:47:42 [GMT +0100], you wrote: TB At least you had the decency to moisten the Trout first. Thank you TB for that :-) Leif normally uses a very hard dry one. Personal preference... The moistened ones are slippery and I'm more likely to lose grip in mid-swing and thwap an innocent bystander. grin Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.45 S/MIME under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Just remember...if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
SOT Re: Remove Quote Plug-in Equivalent in TB?
Hello Nick, On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 at 15:27:52 [GMT -0500], you wrote: N I am not aware of anything that would strip quote prefixes other N than the "Block Type/Column" feature available through the right N click menu in the message editor ND While not a plug-in the program ClipCache Plus does a real nice ND job fixing text that other email programs screw up (read: ND Outlook). Another one to look at (which I've been a long time user of), is Clipmate by Thornsoft. See this page with a very cool animated demo for more details of their new e-mail cleanup functions. http://www.thornsoft.com/LeeLou/CleanUp_viewlet.html Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.45 S/MIME under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A 486 makes more errors than an XT in the same time... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
Hello Cameleon, On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 at 05:35:12 [GMT -0700], you wrote: C - About the Mailticker: Currently, it is possible to *disable* it, C folder by folder, account by account. I personnaly (but that's C maybe not the case for most Users :) I would prefer the opposite, C beeing able to *enable* it folder/account by folder/account. I have C more than 50 accounts, and a total of about 400 folders, for about C 200 to 500 mails by day. Now I don't use the Mailticker, but I C would like to use it for example for ONE or TWO folders, for C *important* messages. If I would use now, it would always be C running ! Right-click on the folder and select properties. On the first tab is the option "Show unread messages on MailTicker (tm)". Unfortunately, this means that you will have to go through all your folders to set this to off except for the cpl of folders you want it enabled in. :-( Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Inspected by #13. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Macros - I am computer challenged g
Hello John, On Wed, 2 Aug 2000 at 07:00:40 [GMT +1000], you wrote: JP Just a quick question - is there a primer somewhere how to use the JP %TO macro correctly? I need to always add a particular recipient JP in the "to" field of an e-mail from a particular folder in a JP template - for instance to the bat mailing list from the Bat! JP folder, etc. Don't need much in the way of a primer. If you put %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in a template, that address will appear in the TO field of any message created using that template. If you use it in a REPLY template, then it will put that address in the TO field in addition to the address already in the TO field from the reply. To get around that, if you want *only* the TO address you specify to appear in the TO field-- even after a reply, then you need to use the TO macro twice-- the first time with no value, as this will clear the TO field. i.e. %TO="" %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" JP PS I also find that Ctrl C will not copy to the clipboard from JP an e-mail. What is the trick here? Thanks. I don't have any problems with it. Can you let us know what types of messages you're having problems with? i.e. HTML or plaintext. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Books you'll never see; Children's book of pop-up anatomy. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Here comes the trout! - was Re: Macros - I am computer challenged g
Hello Nick, On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 at 15:04:46 [GMT -0700], you wrote: NA Take a look at my TBUDL Template to see an example. Nick, nick, nick!!! furious trout slapping ensues Ok, once again! Please do NOT post attachments to TBUDL with exception to PGP keys and certificates, and even then, don't make it an "every single message to the list has my key attached" type thing! There are quite a few people on this list who pay for Internet access by the amount of data transferred. Thank you. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Just remember...if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Updated running a discussion list with TB
Hello users, Ok, I've updated the How-To on running a discussion list with TB to include all the great new capabilities since the last release. I'd appreciate any comments from people on if something is incorrect. http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/mailing_lists.shtml Thanks Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A 1200 baud brain attached to a 28800 baud mouth. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Meaningful SUBJECTS - was Re: Stupid Question #349
Hello Joe, On Sat, 5 Aug 2000 at 15:18:46 [GMT -0500], you wrote: JF I discovered how to prohibit TB's splash screen from appearing JF (while opening) by using the command line, but is there a way to JF do it on a permanent basis? Moderator hat The first few times it was cute, but if everyone would please now put meaningful SUBJECT lines about the topic. Seeing "Stupid Question #347" and "Stupid Question #349", it's impossible to tell which topic either thread addresses. /Moderator hat Thanks. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: His .sig is long, boring, and stupid, but it's the best part of his posts. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
SOT:Re: Two Format Questions
Hello Nick, On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 at 15:15:39 [GMT -0500], you wrote: J Whenever I copy something (e.g., text from a web site), it J automatically goes to ClipMate first, and then I can very quickly J and easily modify the text in ClipMate, even wrap the lines to, J say, 70 characters, etc. ND I gotta ask and this is easier than hitting ALT-L (or C, or R) ND why? Try using ALT-L/C/R on this puppy! 1. Only in America..can a pizza get to your house faster than an ambulance. 2. Only in America..are there handicap parking places in front of a skating rink. 3. Only in America..do drugstores make the sick walk all the way to the back of the store to get their prescriptions while healthy people can buy cigarettes at the front. 4. Only in America..do people order double cheese burgers, large fries, and a diet coke. However, using Clipmate (Two button clicks and a CTRL-V), it not only removes the overquotes, but it reforms the paragraphs completely, and rewraps them at any column setting I tell it to. i.e. fixed and wrapped at 40 columns: 1. Only in America..can a pizza get to your house faster than an ambulance. 2. Only in America..are there handicap parking places in front of a skating rink. 3. Only in America..do drugstores make the sick walk all the way to the back of the store to get their prescriptions while healthy people can buy cigarettes at the front. 4. Only in America..do people order double cheese burgers, large fries, and a diet coke. It's a very simple function of Clipmate to use. Take a gander at their animated demo of the Text Clean-up function: http://www.thornsoft.com/LeeLou/CleanUp_viewlet.html I would love to see a plugin for TB that has got this kind of juice when v2.0 comes out. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A bad Trek episode beats the best Melrose Place anyday! -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
OT/Deadhorse - was Re: Two Format Questions
Hello All, While this thread has been a very interesting one, I'm calling it OT/Deadhorse. The wheels are spinning on gaining ground, and apparently they're Henry Ford's wheels for the OT part. grin Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: It is hard to understand how a cemetery raised its burial cost and blamed it on the cost of living. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Too many windows
Hello Marc, On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 at 01:55:04 [GMT -0400], you wrote: MW Just a quick questions.. what does MDI stand for? (I know what it MW is, being a longtime Eudora User.. but I was curious) Multiple Document Interface. It's nice (IMHO-- Steve and I already covered this ground grin) for things like Opera and Frontpage, but stinks for e-mail. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: You can listen to thunder and tell how close you came to getting hit. If you don't hear it, you got hit, so never mind. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
OT: Banning to follow - Re: Two Format Questions
Hello phil, On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 at 23:45:21 [GMT -0700], you wrote: JF [...] p Actually Henry Ford was a Genius, even though he only had 3 p months(or was that years?) of education, he Thought and then p created what he wanted, He stuck to his guns, and made a p decision and stuck to it. JF Yeah, he "stuck with it" until Chevy came out with cars in any JF color you wanted! JF Yes, ol' Henry was a genius alright, that's why today you can JF buy Fords in any color you want, too. Last warning to those involved. This has already been declared OT. Further participation in this thread constitutes being banned per list rules. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Tragic Bombs: Hiroshima'45 Chernobyl'86 Windows'95 Windows'98 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Too many windows
Hello Steve, On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 at 05:38:03 [GMT -0700], you wrote: SL BTW, we should go over it again sometime. Mainly because there is SL a utility out there that groups like windows together under a SL single start bar button which, IIRC, was your main complaint about SL non-MDI for certain applications. Now *that* solves my problems. Mucho thanks. Now I can agree that non-MDI is better. grin No more 25-30 buttons on my taskbar when I browse the web, write e-mail, upload files via CuteFTP, DOWNLOAD files via JetCar, update my stock portfolio manager, and play with my graphics. :-) Taskbar Executive is pretty nifty. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A bad Trek episode beats the best Melrose Place anyday! -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Recipient selection
Hello Kenneth, On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 at 14:12:23 [GMT -0700], you wrote: KP My "other favorite client" instead puts each address in a named KP "book" for organizational purposes. At composition time, I can KP right-click in any address field (To, CC, BCC) and a popup menu KP appears of entries in the address book. The entries appear under KP submenus named for the "Books" (eg. Personal, Mailing Lists, KP Customers, Vendors, etc.). This mostly serves to organize the KP entries into small menus that fit on-screen. KP Does TB have something comparable or planned? Most certainly, although it may not fit your preconceived notion exactly. For example, say you have four address book groups named: Co-Workers Friends Family Fellow TBUDLers Now, you must-- in the address book --tell TB which addresses are favorites. Can't get around that one, sorry. Create a new message, then right-click in any of the fields (TO, CC, BCC) You should see the address book groups listed, and the ones with little right-arrows are slide out menus that will show you all the favorites in that group. While you said that you have "many" recipients you'd have to check, I most certainly wouldn't want this as a default behavior for any address I add. That would be well over 5,000 (I run multiple discussion lists and newsletters.) I get to choose only those who are truly "favorites" due to the frequency of mailing to them. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A "running mate" is a husband who dared to talk back. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Effective Immediately
Hello users, Over the last few days, Marck and I have received a flood of e-mail concerning the flame wars on the TB lists. New list rule in effect as of right now! Marck, Wolfgang and I are the list moderators-- the *only* list moderators. It is our job to ensure that things run smoothly with the list and its participants. We fully believe that arguments are healthy and that they help to push TB to better places. However, lately, the arguments have been getting personal, derogatory, insulting, and offensive. This is something that we feel strongly about. From now on, if a message is deemed outside of the bounds by the moderators (and only the moderators), the poster will receive a warning via private e-mail. The second time, you will be be banned from the list with no fanfare. If you feel that you must degrade someone in a public forum, then you are a child and will be dealt with as such. If you can't overcome your childish impulses, then you had better send your e-mail privately to the recipient. If you are the recipient of said e-mail, and you don't like it, filter their e-mail to the trash. We're all adults here. Let's start acting like it. For clarification: - Outside the bounds is defined as a post which is personally insulting and/or derogatory. Things such as, but not limited to: You're an ^%*$, or any variant thereof Telling someone to go do something to themselves Telling someone to do something to you Telling someone to go do something to someone else Namecalling Remarking on someone's intelligence, or rather, the lack thereof. You want to be sarcastic, that's fine, you get personal, that's not! And don't be a child and find little loopholes like "You know, some people are unbelievably stupid!" and then defend yourself saying "But I didn't direct it at him/her personally." We'll know the difference, and we'll hold you to it. - Concerning the warnings. We're not going to keep a yearly running tab of who said what, when, and whether it earned them a disapproving glare from the moderators. The time between the warning and a ban will be determined on several levels and on a case-by-case basis to include the severity, impulsiveness, and consensus among moderators. Those of you who have been with TBUDL and TBBETA know that we-- the moderators, aren't heavy-handed, "My way or the highway" people. Those who have been admonished in the past know that we did it fairly, in accordance with "posted" list rules, and with good reason. There has only been one banning in TBUDL/TBBETA history, and we'd like to keep it that way. Thank you. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: ...Good judgment comes from experience; and experience, well... that comes from bad judgment. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to make the bat work like newsreader?
Hello starc, On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 at 08:00:53 [GMT -0300], you wrote: s well, after I suggested that we make a newsgroup, some answered s that the bat already offers all functionality a newsreader would s give us. It offers similar functionality, but it's *not* a newsreader, wasn't designed as a newsreader, and you're only going to be able to simulate one using the different functions of TB. V2 of TB might include functionality for a newsreader-- I really hope *not*, unless it's a plugin. s 1. I want to be able to browse the messages while they are still on s my pop server. I want to read the subject and then be able to s download only the messages which I'm interested in. One user told s me that this is possible, so how do I do it? Use Account | Dispatch Mail On Server s 2. I want messages that are not from TBUDL to be downloaded s directly to their specific folders, so only the messages from TBUDL s are kept on the server for browsing. You'll need to set up a Selective Download filter, and set messages matching TBUDL and/or TBBETA criteria to "Ignore". This will get the rest of your mail, but then you can use dispatcher to see all the TB* list messages still on the server. s 3. I want to be able to make some sorting of the messages accordint s to the thread. Is the only way I can do this to sort them by s subject? See View | Sort-by Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: It was recently discovered that research causes cancer in rats. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How Do I Mail to an Address Group in BCC?
Hello JM14, On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 at 11:56:22 [GMT -0400], you wrote: Jan I can't find anything in Help or in the FAQ (or am overlooking Jan it?) that tells me how I can distribute a newsletter to everyone Jan in an address group by placing the name of that address group in Jan the BCC. Overlooked! grin I have written a very comprehensive tutorial covering mailing lists and discussion list using TB. You can read it here: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/howdoi.shtml under the Discussion/Mailing Lists section. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: We are NOT surrounded. We're just in a target-rich environment. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Limits?
Hello A., On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 at 07:17:15 [GMT -0500], you wrote: LG He must have gone long word then, because at one point I had LG 70,000+ a few years back (before I started archiving them off LG every once in a while). ACM Is that for a single folder (which is the limit Jaimie is ACM referring to I think)? Errr, guess I need to read better. That was 70,000 for a single account. Bringing up a couple of old archives, the most I've had in any one folder at one time was 12,373. Sorry for any confusions. :-) Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: When you go into court you are putting yourself in the hands of 12 people that weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Fwd: Re: TheBat and Spam
Hello John, On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 at 17:01:33 [GMT +1000], you wrote: JP Steve my Shrink, JP For the computer challenged amongst us (present company excepted JP of course g), can you post a copy of these filters? Thanks. How would he do that? It's filtering SPAM by exception, meaning that you create filters for things you want to keep, and everything else is caught by the last filter as SPAM. About the only filter he might have in common this way is for TBUDL and TBBETA (even then there is no guarantee), and maybe the last filter to move SPAM to the trash. Everything else is going to be fairly unique to Steve based on his family, friends, mailing/discussion lists he's subscribed to etc. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A bunch of bunnies hopping backwards: a receding hare line. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TagLines ....
Hello Nick, On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 at 08:08:32 [GMT -0700], you wrote: NA Is there a source for these taglines? A web page or something NA similar, or have people just cut and pasted the taglines from NA various sources. I know Allie has some really good ones, and I NA enjoy the variety he seems to display. Back when I had the FAQ hosted on my last web host, I had about 10 or so HTML files (a total of about 9MB!!!) with thousands upon thousands of taglines. Unfortunately, when I moved the FAQ, I deleted the taglines directory and lost them all. However, here is a web site that has a fairly decent selection. http://www.coolsig.com/ Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A 486 makes more errors than an XT in the same time... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TagLines ....
Hello Syafril, On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 at 17:41:57 [GMT +0700], you wrote: SH I still have the copy, and I put it on : SH ftp://ftp.dutaint.co.id/the_bat/util You da man! I'd thought they were gone forever, or at least until I stumbled across them again somewhere in the big void. Now I can start all over and weed out the ones I don't like and put the rest in my cookie file. I was only at the end of the "A" document last time anyway. Oh well. grin Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A BIG ROCKmeA HARD PLACE -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Someone spamming us
Hello John, On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 at 13:34:18 [GMT +0100], you wrote: JS Someone with access to the TBUDL and TBBETA membership lists JS (using the From: address [EMAIL PROTECTED], passing JS through a relay which claims to be cyberpass.net) seems to believe JS I might be interested in buying a CD packed full of what is JS clearly pirated commercial software, for $15. Ho hum. JS (Because I use separate email addresses for list subscriptions, I JS know this came from trawling the TB list membership. It got sent JS to both my TBUDL and TBBETA addresses.) We'll check the subscribers list, but chances are that they are spider botting the list archives. If this is the case, then there isn't much that can be done unfortunately. Other than killing off the list archives, which we wouldn't want to do, because list archives are *very* useful. Another possibility is that the person spamming you is indeed a list member, but they'd have to be morons to be subscribed to the lists using the same e-mail address they use in the SPAM. We'll let you all know though. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID 0x8604279A Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket? -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: UnInstall
Hello Curt, On Sat, 9 Sep 2000 at 16:27:50 [GMT -0400], you wrote: C Horrors. I recommended TheBat! to an associate for whom the program C was simply too overwhelming. So, she uninstalled it. It appears, C however, that the uninstall does not return file associates to C their previous state. For example, .msg attachments cry out for C TheBat! C Any direct way out of this? I concluded that the simplest thing for C her to do was reinstall Outlook Express; that should, perhaps, C reset all of the associations. Here is a cut and paste of the last answer I sent to someone on this, and they said it worked for them. ** Unfortunately, this is a problem not with The Bat!, but with OE. When you install OE it asserts its association with .EML files. When you install The Bat!, it also asserts its association with .EML files. This is the normal way of Windows. New software associates itself with the filetypes it deals with. The problem is that OE does not detect that it has lost the association, and therefore never tries to reassert those associations. For instance, if you load IE5, it asserts associations with .htm, .html etc. When you then later install, for instance, Netscape, then Netscape takes over those associations. However, in this case, whenever you remove Netscape, and begin using IE again, it detects the loss of associations and asks if you would like to make IE the default browser again (which re-associates the filetypes.) OE doesn't do this, and I have no idea why. I guess they figure that they are the only game in town and nobody else would use the .EML extension. You might try this. - Open a folder on your hard drive. - Select View then Folder Properties from the menu bar. - Choose the File Types tab. - Scroll down until you see Internet E-mail Message - Click it once, then hit the Edit button. - In the Actions box, select Open, then click the Edit button - Use the Browse button to locate the OE executable, then click OK - Click OK again, and again, and again ** Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID 0x8604279A Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/5 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A one-bit brain with a parity error. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The disappearing act.
Hello users, As Marck mentioned in his last moderator's comment, I am leaving the TB lists for a while. There are going to be some huge changes in my life, and I need to concentrate on those for a couple of months. Hopefully I'll be back after this, and I know Marck and Allie will do a darn good job of moderating/running the lists. There could be no better than these two to leave the list to. They have proven their worth leaps and bounds many times over. Thank you very much Marck and Allie. You'll never know how much I appreciate your efforts. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID 0x8604279A Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/5 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Differently clued. -- Dave Clark -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: mailto: magic
[EMAIL PROTECTED], and the Subject to equal Subscribe_PCWize. If both of these conditions were met, then you became a new subscriber. So why did I define the Body to contain the text Just_Click_Send? Well, not many people use complex URLs (not including forms), so before I put that text in there, I had people writing all sorts of stuff in the message Body to try and subscribe. This didn't affect my mail filtering one iota, but I was trying to save people from typing in stuff that they really didn't need to. You might have noticed by now that I tend to use the underscore character as opposed to the %20 to separate my text. This is really just a habit as opposed to any real reason. However, I did use some oddball e-mail programs-- back when I was but a young pup --that didn't recognize the %20, so I used the underscore. I also thought it looked much nicer (readability-wise.) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=This%20is%20hard%20to%20read mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=This_is_easy_to_read Ok, so now we know pretty much all the cool stuff there is to know about complex mailto URLs. Here's what fields you can define: TO = mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?[EMAIL PROTECTED] CC = mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject = mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?[EMAIL PROTECTED] Body= mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?[EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a note concerning the placement of a mailto URL in the subject or body; I said above, that you should always encapsulate a URL with and . However the below won't work: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=[EMAIL PROTECTED], so you will have to use the ASCII code for them as below: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?[EMAIL PROTECTED]%3E Well, that's it! I know it was long, but hopefully interesting. Now, you all know that I wouldn't let you go without a real-world usage of complex mailto URLs, so here it is: Would you like to see an equally in-depth article on URLs for other things like HTTP, Gopher, FTP, Usenet etc? If so, click below and make your vote heard: mailto:%65%64%69%74%6F%72%40pcwize%2Ecom?Subject=%59%45%53%21 Cheers, Leif Gregory -- PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.53 Beta/8 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: Wasn't abused as a child, but should have been. NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
OT was - Re: Norton AV and TB
Hello all, On Wed, 4 Jul 2001 at 12:59:35 [GMT -0500], you wrote: DAC On Wednesday, July 04, 2001, 12:49:04 PM, William Moore wrote: Don't forget the Armada ;-) DAC and the inquisition and Francisco Franco, I suppose. No place is DAC perfect. moderator note This is getting seriously OT. Please take it to TBOT or kill it off. Thanks. /moderator Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.53bis under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will sit in a boat drinking beer all day. NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
OT: was - Re: TB! V1.53d vs M$ Outlook
Hello NetVicious, On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 at 13:52:20 [GMT +0200], you wrote: That is your opinion. I consider Microsoft Outlook an obscenity. N OutLook = M$ Virus Express moderator Not singling out NV, this message was the last in the thread... This has gotten OT and is heading towards an argument. Thanks. /moderator Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.53bis under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: When planets run around and around in circles, we say they are orbiting. When people do it, we say they are crazy. NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
OT: The moon - was Re: Birthday Reminder?
Hello, On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 at 11:04:10 [GMT +0800], you wrote: TF I was six g, and my mom took us out of the bed in the middle of TF the night (11pm) and said, you have to watch this. People are TF walking on the moon. I was fascinated. I could see the moon TF through the living room window and could hardly believe I TF understood my mother's words correctly and repeatedly asked: On TF *that* moon out there? Later that night, I decided to become an TF astronaut. :-) moderator note Not targeting Thomas here, but this is way OT. Please take it to TBOT or off-line. Thanks /moderator note Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/4 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: I haven't lost my mind, it's backed up on disk somewhere -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Attachments
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Peter, On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 at 17:48:40 [GMT +0200], you wrote: PP Try saving this '.att' files and have a look into them with a PP plain text viewer: most the time it's Trash :-) PP HTH Pit Most of the .att attachments I get are server responses on a bounce. I just associated .att files with Textpad to view them in, because it shows in detail why the bounce occurred. Cheers, Leif Gregory - -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/6 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: A bit is the increment by which programmers slowly go mad. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO45qZ48+1rl81JJvEQLevwCgn+uBBvlwAAlDsR3Bu2M792s6Th8An1kr +LekUSEOeIOey0iM7doIATUb =qwOk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sorry, mistaken message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Syafril, On Sun, 9 Sep 2001 at 11:31:24 [GMT +0700], you wrote: Don't worry, they're still asleep. That's why I call us here in Asia the night shift. ;-) SH LOL :-) SH How did you know Leif still not coming back to Japan ? grin That may still be a possibility. If I can't find the right job here in the U.S. then we may go back to Tokyo. Then we'll have worldwide coverage for moderation.. ;-) Cheers, Leif Gregory - -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/8 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: A 'language' is a dialect with an army. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO5vWpo8+1rl81JJvEQLRCgCgoxPazFbGQizPPPt0VAcbrDbfwWkAniwx p2uNd795x/RYqPdzzDNHuSgs =wDgK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Terrorists
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello users, We as moderators have been just as shocked as the rest of the world by what happened this morning. We're human as well, so didn't jump in with the OTs and Dead Horses during the limited discussions that appeared. I think it will be a couple of days (maybe weeks) before all the information comes to light. While I (as in me personally) will not engage in a seek and destroy mission for posters who post messages concerning these cowardly acts, I do ask that we try to keep them to a minimum and/or join TBOT (if you already haven't) to share your feelings. To anyone who had friends or family who was hurt or killed, please accept all of our deepest sympathies. There are no words to describe the myriad of emotions, and no words to soothe your pain. Please take care, and know that we stand behind you. I still think of TB users as an extended family. Thank you. Cheers, Leif Gregory - -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/8 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: Just remember...if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO56JF48+1rl81JJvEQIQTACgjlHLY/x6PuMoQ0/rDBohMJW6KHgAnici uWU0E7bO7w1bkRQrbeP5TkIA =5IQj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
OT to TBOT - was Re: OT:From Our Friends to the North
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello daveiw, On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 at 17:58:29 [GMT +0100], you wrote: dcn I accept most of your points, but would like to add that Britain dcn did help out a little on 'some' of these issues, and we have dcn *almost* always (since 1918 at least) supported the US in dcn military attacks as one of the first countries to add the blood dcn Best regards, dcn Dave Wilson. moderator Once again, we've declared on all lists that discussions concerning the terrorist acts are to be moved to TBOT or off-list. Thank you. /moderator Cheers, Leif Gregory - -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/8 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: You can listen to thunder and tell how close you came to getting hit. If you don't hear it, you got hit, so never mind. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO6DrII8+1rl81JJvEQL/NACgxaP27INBXMRdDF/vsjo0eQQUAiQAoJfx knQd0JlxlmPp2Xmsfyr79Wx5 =ZEtk -END PGP SIGNATURE- S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Invalid signature?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Roelof, On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 at 20:11:26 [GMT +0200], you wrote: RO Your message (as it appeared on my screen) went accompanied by an RO attachment called Invalid Signature. What's the meaning of such RO an attachment stating that the message was altered? Well, it didn't get altered (context wise), so I'll look into it. I have no problem sending myself messages where the signature is fine, so it must be the Dutaint server list software. I'll look into it. But to answer your question, the signature is from a X.509 certificate issued through Thawte, and is more or less a digital signature saying the message came from me (or at least my machine), and that nothing was altered in the message. If you're interested in obtaining your own e-mail certificates free of charge (from Thawte), please view the how-to by Ulrich Peters at: http://www.mindquake.com.br/thebat/ Cheers, Leif Gregory - -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/8 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: Guillotining him would make only an aesthetic difference. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO6D9gI8+1rl81JJvEQJnawCgk40Bs6AMYSPAClg7a7JRX0iJCjwAoNh1 Ita2KJFNzAd2kTVHsOtSvscb =4Xs7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Test of S/MIME w/o PGP
Hello users, I noticed that Peter Palmreuther's message (Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) displayed a valid signature. He wasn't using PGP, so I'm trying this without PGP. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/8 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: His .sig is long, boring, and stupid, but it's the best part of his posts. S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Test of S/MIME w/o PGP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Leif, On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 at 16:04:19 [GMT -0400], you wrote: LG That's the only difference. My messages with the bad sig are also LG missing the charset=us-ascii as well. LG Peter, what language did you have your's set to when you sent the LG good message? I just set this one to Latin ISO-8859-1. We'll see LG what happens. Odd, I checked my Sent folder, and the messages I sent out contain the charset=us-ascii part, but when they are received, they are missing. So, why did one of Peter's list messages come through with it intact, and two, is the munging of that line what's causing the bad sig...? It's not my SMTP or POP3 servers, because I can send myself off-list messages and it retains the charset=us-ascii. Cheers, Leif Gregory - - -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/8 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: PROOF TECHNIQUE #2 - 'Proof By Contradiction' State your theorum wait for someone to disagree. Contradict them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO6ET0I8+1rl81JJvEQIRAwCg09wSy//8YxdNQ2qHHiRzTUl3ZWoAniYw Nz2gc0kmJKzjYs21+rNGkOfB =MC4g -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Test of S/MIME w/o PGP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Peter, On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 at 22:17:58 [GMT +0200], you wrote: PP Can't even find the message-id you 're posting ... The only PP S/MIME-ed mail from me I am able to figure out is the one with PP Message-ID [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your message with the good sig was to Marck with the subject Re: Bug on autocorrect? Here's a CP: Hello Marck, On Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 8:13:19 PM you wrote: MDP Hi Peter, MDP On 13 September 2001 at 20:03:08 +0200 (which was 19:03 where MDP I live) Peter Palmreuther wrote to Marck D Pearlstone on TBBETA MDP and made these points: MDP It allows you to double right-click a misspelt word to have MDP it automatically correct (where the red square underlining MDP appears). PP Which only works if there's only one choice, am I right? MDP ... which must be the case if the red square underlining is MDP there. Nope :-) Type in the word 'Hallo' with english dictionary active. Sometimes there's and german template active while I want to write to an eglish speaking person. Dictionary is english but I haven't altered the greeting. 'Hallo' is german for 'Hello' (obvious *g*) and it becomes underlined red. But there are several suggestions if I single right click. Even in this moment 'german' end 'english' are red square underlined, I double click twice and nothing is auto-corrected. Instead 'context menu' pops up. This context menu tells me there _IS_ only one choice (suggestion) so I'm finally confused. But as I never used this 'auto correction' I don't miss it'S functionality :-) Have a nice evening Peter :-) Cheers, Leif Gregory - -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/8 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: Speed Kills - Use Windows! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO6EWIY8+1rl81JJvEQLD2gCdGLn29qaDYM+e8mWgKzKsmDe2t3IAoPvs UysOenVhx3Ke/eUk8arFq4zK =P3eS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Test of S/MIME w/o PGP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Leif, On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 at 16:24:59 [GMT -0400], you wrote: LG On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 at 22:17:58 [GMT +0200], you wrote: PP Can't even find the message-id you 're posting ... The only PP S/MIME-ed mail from me I am able to figure out is the one with PP Message-ID [EMAIL PROTECTED] LG Your message with the good sig was to Marck with the subject Re: LG Bug on autocorrect? Here's a CP: Oops... That was a message to TBBETA. I think I had deleted it, then as I was rummaging around in the trash, I saw it with a good sig and moved it to my TBUDL folder by accident. My bad... So as it stands, TBBETA accepts it fine (because we allow attachments there), but not TBUDL. Problem solved pretty much then.. Sorry for any confusion. Cheers, Leif Gregory - -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/8 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: Thinks cellular phones are carbon-based life forms. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO6EXII8+1rl81JJvEQJ2tACgy/Q/VOXCV2tbmphF2tIJ8FZMWMEAnRXG XMnfDXPMjwPnNAGHI7PhOnkY =UiyN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Test... Please ignore
Hello users, Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/9 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: Ok, I pulled the pin. Now what? Where are you going? -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Editing/Composing Messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello RĂ©mi, On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 at 12:30:25 [GMT +0200], you wrote: RP One more reason for the free caret to go. Ask normal e-mail users RP out there (i.e. not militant batters) what they would prefer and RP you'll see. Ask any Linux people and see how many use the free caret type editors. To be honest, I do almost all of my text writing and editing in The Bat because of free caret. I very rarely need proportional fonts, colors, bolding, or the other various sundries present in Word or Outlook. RP First, who needs tables in an e-mail? Second, if you really need RP to create a table (once in a blue moon) you can use the spacebar. RP Third, you can be almost certain that a table created with TB will RP look awful to the recipient since 90% of all e-mail users have RP e-mail clients that use proportional fonts. That was my point and RP you have no answer to that. I use tables quite a bit in my PCWize E-zine, which is a plaintext newsletter sent out weekly. Mainly I use the tables to compare feature sets of software I've reviewed. I agree that most users of the other e-mail MUAs are using proportional fonts, so that's why I placed the below text in every newsletter for the last few years. If the columns in the below articles appear misaligned, it's because you are using a non-fixed width font. If you would like to see them as written, please change your e-mail font to Courier New. I once proposed an HTML format of my newsletter, and while there were quite a few that liked that idea, the majority were adamant in requesting that if I were to do so, that I continue publishing the plaintext version as well. These weren't die-hard batters either. RP The point is that if you turn off the auto-format feature you have RP to hit Alt-L all the time to reformat manually. I personally use the ALT-L convention exclusively, because it gives me the choice of what I want wrapped and what I don't. Code being an example of something I don't want to wrap, as well as long URLs. The idea behind e-mail is to quote what's necessary, not quoting RP The only differences I see between 1.53d and the 1.54 series are RP giimmicks and obscure features and shortcuts that no-one needs in real RP life. - - - New interface to the filtering system. - - - Boatloads of repairs to the HTML engine - - - Mailing list support from the menu to subscribe, unsubscribe etc. RFC-2369 - - - Alternative address selection from an address book contact with multiple addresses. - - - Ability to add root certificates - - - Create common folders outside of accounts - - - Drag and drop attachments FROM a message - - - More URL types recognized (telnet, news, gopher, file) - - - It's written in Delphi 6 (closer to a Linux port) These are just the ones I know many people can and will use. RP TB will never become a serious alternative to major e-mail clients RP if its developpers don't look at what people need in the *real RP world*, as opposed to a dedicated fan club, which is what this RP mailing list sometimes appears to be. TB's editor is the only one RP of its kind. Can it be that TB is right and all the others wrong? RP Highly unlikely. The majority of that has to do with perception. I was originally a little disappointed with the interface when I moved from Eudora (eons ago), but after tinkering with the capabilities, it was plain as day that TB blew Eudora out of the water. What's next? A skinnable TB? Media player already went that way, and I'd imagine Outlook / OE will eventually too. People seem to attach more value to eye-candy than whether something performs well and is robust. That's why Linux users are so die hard too. It works, and it works extremely well. The functionality was in place long before all the GUI eye-candy came along. I hope TB follows the same path. I'd rather have a robust MUA than a pretty one. Cheers, Leif Gregory - - -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/15 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: We are NOT surrounded. We're just in a target-rich environment. - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPA+q748+1rl81JJvEQIRtQCbBNujlX1Xe0GfCrbS0FuEgykaAZUAn2RH O2OZDdV895Nx7NQvN+Nb30C4 =LC+H - -END PGP SIGNATURE- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPA+rC48+1rl81JJvEQKmPgCfUt8H8pXgqdlpcIMLS0oersMGiQoAn2uq tKyavY6fcChscVU53CO+Lfnu =UNAc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http
Re: [OT] gmx.net
Hello Rick, On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 at 14:42:35 [GMT -0500], you wrote: RR I'm curious if anyone has found some other good free POP accounts RR please let me know. ( I also have a Yahoo account which is nice RR but it fills up with more spam than the gmx.net one, plus gmx.net RR allows the transfer of larger files ). I'm not saying I'm going to RR dump gmx.net, but I might start using a different POP account as RR well if there are some other good ones out there. Check out http://www.subdimension.com. 1. They don't want to know who you are. When you sign up, they only ask for a login name and password. 2. Supports POP3 / Webmail / and I believe IMAP4 3. Pretty much rock solid uptime (I've been with them for about two years), however, their webmail sometimes has issues, but I use that functionality so infrequently. 4. Uhhh, it's free grin Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/24 under Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: I took an IQ test and the results were negative. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
OT - was Re: SOT:Re[2]: Should I dump Outlook 2000?
Hello Gerard, On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 at 09:11:13 [GMT +0100], you wrote: GdV Depends on who you expect to share more wisdom ;-) moderator note Getting pretty OT... Thanks. /moderator note Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/24 under Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: PROOF TECHNIQUE #2 - 'Proof By Contradiction' State your theorum wait for someone to disagree. Contradict them. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Are you a winner? (not spam)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello John, On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 at 13:55:54 [GMT +1100], you wrote: JP Note. You can win $10,000 and a Sony DVD Player by just JP recommending The Bat! to a friend who does not use The Bat! yet JP Anybody ever win? (cynical mode turned on, I guess) Just so there's no confusion. The contest is run by Recommend-it http://www.recommendit.com, and if a web site has registered with them (my newsletter and web site are), you can put that link in there. If someone clicks it, recommends it, then they get entered with the thousands upon thousands of other people who have recommended other sites and stuff. It's not a contest run by RITLabs is what I getting at. grin So, good luck. It's kinda like the lottery I guess. Cheers, Leif Gregory - -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/39 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: A bad case of cranial intrusion into the rectal cavity. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPGlASI8+1rl81JJvEQKgoQCgq6LedLroTHurUgzmekVcKspFhQQAoP9H tlFf273OqgiInRbgTU2xhoHb =wo/o -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Scot Finnie's Newsletter
Hello Philippe, On Sun, 3 Mar 2002 at 07:14:16 [GMT +0100], you wrote: PG #2: Filters PG He writes : PGEudora lets me filter *outbound* messages. You can't do PGthat in Outlook or Outlook Express. Last time I checked PGyou couldn't do it in The Bat! or Pegasus Mail either. PG I'vent understood what he means : I believe I've the same PG organization as him (just half his size) and I've no PG problem with TB! PG Someone can explain what he means ? As a reviewer of software for my newsletter, since 1997, he made a big mistake in writing that article without checking all the facts. He explicitly states that: I first tested The Bat! perhaps two years ago, and I haven't looked at it since then. I like the feel of it better than many other alternative emailers. And I plan to test the 1.53d version again in the near future. Two years ago was what... v1.38, 1.39 or so? Even back then, there were outbound filtering capabilities. Not sure how he missed that fact. He also mistakenly says: On the other hand, The Bat! hasn't been updated since June of 2001 either.) June 2001 was v1.53, and he apparently isn't familiar with the betas which are now at 1.54b45. That's a *lot* of revisions folks. Sometimes two a week. Now, I know there are some in the Only official releases count camp, but TB has hardly *not* been updated. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/45 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: Macro Virus ruining your weekends? Get The Bat! and Get Rid of it. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Bitmaps for The Bat!
Hello Miles, On Sat, 2 Mar 2002 at 20:41:24 [GMT -0500], you wrote: MA Is it possible to use a bitmap (or jpeg) to change the colour of MA The Bat's windows? Not directly, so to speak. You can, of course, change all the windows colors and such using the display properties for windows, but I don't think that's what you want. TB isn't as of yet skinnable directly, but through third party applications such as WindowBlinds http://www.stardock.com you can selectively skin applications. WindowBlinds 3.0 integrates itself into the Windows XP display properties dialog windows, so it's pretty seamless. There are also other third party skinning applications out there that can selectively skin windows as well. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/45 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: A 1200 baud brain attached to a 28800 baud mouth. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: problems with html email, etc.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Quin, On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 at 10:37:25 [GMT -0700], you wrote: Here is a nice article regarding problems with html mail and other things that might be of interest to people here QS http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2002/tc2002031_3760.htm moderator Just trying to head off an inevitable dead-horse. This topic has been beat so to death that I could probably say it's the most beat up topic ever posted to this list. If you want to see all the arguments, I'd suggest looking at the list archives (see footer). If you feel you just gotta post something on it, please do so on TBOT or privately. Thanks. /moderator Cheers, Leif Gregory - -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/45 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: Guillotining him would make only an aesthetic difference. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPIPBXo8+1rl81JJvEQIq0QCcDpSKoOce8XAt3LmzI1o/FTR0fh0AoKxq zgkLfh478UtF8HNCD229uDvH =8skd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: -insatallation
Hello Jernej, On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 at 19:13:23 [GMT +0100], you wrote: JS (typically C:\Program Files\The Bat!\), and save it along the JS registry file from the previous step. After re-formatting, extract JS the archive in the same place as The Bat was before, and double JS click on the REG file. What he said, but additionally, you'll want to do it in this order: 1. After reformat, install the latest official release of TheBat! However when you get to the part about creating accounts, exit the installation. 2. Unzip or un-archive your backup of TheBat into the C:\Program Files directory. 3. Double-click the saved registry key, and import it to the registry. 4. Start The Bat! normally, and it'll come up totally registered with your key and all your accounts, filters, folders, and settings will be correct. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/45 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: We are NOT surrounded. We're just in a target-rich environment. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: QT and mailto
Hello Shahar, On Fri, 08 Mar 2002 at 08:51:22 [GMT +0200], you wrote: S When I send a message based on this QT there are no spaces and when S reopen the QT the Mailto URL Scheme is without the % sign S mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Hello20savlist S What do I do wrong and how can I use the spaces in a QT ? You need another % sign to escape it, so your example would be mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Hello%%20savlist In case that doesn't come through, between hello and savelist is %% (two percent signs). Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/46 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: This Virus requires Microsoft Windows. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
TBBETA Subscribe address - was Re: How do I send from a selected isp?
Hello Big, On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 at 21:14:34 [GMT +1100], you wrote: BP BTW what is the subscribe address to the beta list? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/45 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: How do I send from a selected isp?
Hello Charles, On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 at 19:52:05 [GMT +], you wrote: CC From what I've seen the developers of The Bat would be as well CC buying in a better mail list server - many are available. Just trying to determine which list you're speaking of. If it's this one (TBUDL), the developers have absolutely nothing to do with it. I created this list back in December of 1998 running entirely under The Bat. Once list traffic exceeded my meager 28.8K modem capabilities, it was moved to a list server, which later went down, and thanks to Marck and Syafril's quick action they picked up the list and it's being hosted by Syafril to this day. It is using the Listar software for the mailing list manager which is a true mailing list host. Over a period of time, we've discovered that most problems with the list are improperly sent posts by the users (things like not putting in a subject, sent to the server address instead of the post address), or that some other server in the chain to the subscriber is causing the problem. As for messages arriving out of order, there are two possibilities. One is the server issue I mentioned above where one of the servers in the chain between the list host and the subscriber is holding messages up, but the other is that oftentimes, the subscriber has their viewing options incorrectly set. Sorting by creation date vs. received date oftentimes fixes the apparent out of order messages. The cool thing about the TB lists (TBUDL, TBBETA, TBDEV, and TBTECH), is that oftentimes answers are provided just seconds after someone has posted a message. If for instance, some server on the way to you is holding up messages, the other list members might get it before you, reply, and because the reply goes a different path (hops), you might get the reply before you get the original question. There's really nothing any list software can do to overcome it. This is the way the Internet was designed (read up on Arpanet for more info). The bounces we moderators see on a daily basis is huge. We do our best to determine if the problem is with the list, but most times there isn't anything we can do about someone else's server. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/47 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: A 'language' is a dialect with an army. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
