[SlimDevices: Touch] TOSLINK broken
My SB Touch has been plugging along for many years now, feeding its SP/DIF output to my Bel Canto C5i. I was recently rearranging things and decided to try a TOSLINK cable instead, but only got dead silence. I tried two different cables and both optical inputs on the amp. The optical cables and amp inputs work fine with a different source, so it seems to be tied back to the Touch. However, I do get a red light at the end of the cable when it is plugged into the Touch's optical out, so it looks like I have a carrier with no signal. Everything else on the Touch seems to work fine. Has anyone else had only the TOSLINK output fail on their Touch? Any suggestions? Is it worth pulling the unit apart to check things out? mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=04 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] tablet control for ethernet wired SB Touch and attached USB HD music files
I use Squeeze Commander on both my HTC Android phone and Kindle Fire. Both work great but the Kindle is my favorite for selecting music and controlling playback. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97120 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.
Raffie wrote: ...The key here is the equalizer feature which the Creative player has and SBT sadly lacks. Not sure why this thread is running on the way it is. The one sentence quoted above plainly explains why the original poster is unimpressed with the Touch. He prefers the enhanced frequency response one can get with an equalizer. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96776 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.
Mnyb wrote: +1 of course . But the wording disappointed with sound quality :-/ Lack of EQ is not the same as lack of sound quality ? they are separate things I can't disagree with you from my perspective, but it is not uncommon for those on the outside of a hobby to use terminology differently than those who have been immersed in a subject for any length of time. I'd suggest that most people on the outside would be perfectly comfortable with the term sound quality to describe what he meant. EQ/tone controls can make the bass more prominent, the highs a bit more sparkly, voices clearer and so on. Many lay people would describe that as better quality even if it was a gross deviation from what an audio purist would want. This reminds me of, in the mid-1970s, when I sold stereo equipment and virtually all amps still had tone controls. It was a given that roughly 95% of the people would crank up the bass treble controls to 1 or 2 o'clock (or more). They just liked the way it sounded and weren't concerned if that departed from some reference standard. Back to the original poster, I suspect that if the Touch had an easy-to-use equalizer, he'd think it the greatest thing since sliced bread. ;-) mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96776 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.
pippin wrote: I'm not so sure. The OP realized that the Touch sounded the same as his, sorry for not reading it up, WD? device. Which is probably a correct observation. SQ is 90% speakers, 9% amplifier, 0.9% DAC, 0.1% everything else. Once again, I don't disagree with your allocation of the relative importance of various components, but you forget the OP clearly stated his preference for his Creative MP3 player simply because it did have an equalizer. Hence my comment -- ...if the Touch had an easy-to-use equalizer, he'd think it the greatest thing since sliced bread. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96776 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Should I buy a Squeezebox Touch?
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: Well what are you gonna do when your computer craps out and you have to buy a new one , then you find out with your computer's new operating system won't run LMS ? A couple of thoughts. 1. I've had a personal computer since about 1981 or 82, and while I know things do happen, offhand I can't think of any circumstance I've had where an operating system upgrade didn't have backwards compatibility with my existing software. It wasn't too long ago that I had to reinstall a 1993 copy of Lotus Approach to recapture an old data file. 2. And, like ralphpnj, I run a dedicated server for my music and have a copy of the Linux-based software. It can be easily and quickly reinstalled on any replacement machine. Since my PC is dedicated only to music service, there is no need constantly update it. It isn't exposed to the internet, needs no virus or hacking protection, and if it works properly as a music server today, it'll keep doing that for a long time. 3. Ultimately, the only really important issue to me is that I hang onto my music files. There are lots of ways to play them, but right now, I like the Squeezebox method the best. I've got no reason to abandon a player and format that serves me well. 10 years from now, who knows? But any other option I jump into right now carries the same risk (and maybe more.) Now, just because the Touch works well for some of us doesn't mean that it is a universal approach. No matter what the product, some people will always prefer something different. I got used to that a long time ago. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96578 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Should I buy a Squeezebox Touch?
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: Buying a discontinued product that relies on bug fixes to maintain its functionality when there is some doubt as to whether Logitech will put forth the effort to correct those problems Is ludicrous IMO . Just curious, what bug do I need fixed to keep playing my music on the Touch just as I've been doing for the past 2 1/2 years? (And, yes, I just bought another for a spare.) I know there will always be someone that wants this change or that one, but that is true of any product ever made. Even products still in production never deliver all of the possible improvements. For whatever reason, there is nothing else comparable on the market right now, and with the current marketing trends, the only new products I see coming are either the very expensive audiophile units, the $100 and under Apple TV/Roku types that are aimed at the video market, not audio, or self-contained players focused on internet radio, ala the recently re-purposed UE Radio. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96578 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????
gerardhn wrote: ...Not to be arrogant. Too late. And, to borrow a comment I made elsewhere on the forum, it has always struck me as rather ironic that the subjective evaluation adherents don't think are they affected by subjective bias. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96419 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch bought from US Aamazon.com not new!
Just reporting in -- my Touch from Amazon arrived this afternoon. The box was completely sealed and showed no signs of having been previously opened. The Touch itself was pristine. It started up just fine, updated itself, then connected to the LMS and played fine. Sorry the OP didn't have the same experience. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96431 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch bought from US Aamazon.com not new!
snoogly wrote: Just took delivery of what was meant to be a new Touch, but it has obvious signs of wear (even fingerprints all over the screen). Crudely wrapped in plastic film to make it look new. Is this 'normal'? Stupid question I know ... What I really mean is, does Logtech have a reputation for repackaging returned or refurbished products, and then selling them as 'new'? I've bought a fair number of things from Amazon over the years and have always received new items if that was how it was described on the site. UPS tells me that tomorrow is the expected delivery date for the second Touch I recently ordered from Amazon. In about 24 hours I'll be able to let you know what I receive. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96431 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New SB Touch won't connect to LMS
Dumb question, but you indicated the Touch has a static address, but I'm not sure what you mean by in the router. Static addresses are set in the device in question. What happens when you set the static address in the Touch itself? Does it not stick? Also keep in mind that electronics, when they fail, often do so very quickly after first installation. They have just enough oomph to make it past the factory quality control check, but then fail very quickly after the customer begins using their device. This isn't real common, but does happen. Don't forget to call Logitech support. They often have good info if you can get to the right person. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96295 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New SB Touch won't connect to LMS
My first thought is for you to check the IP address used by the Touch. Is it in the same range as the rest of your subnet? Second, when you open LMS and go to Settings, then the Player tab, does the Touch show up there? Have you tried pulling the power on the Touch, waiting a minute and then restarting? mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96295 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
Turnandcough wrote: Sometimes it's a compromise between smooth and dull vs harsh and lively. I'll give it another try but for now I find my sound to be as smooth as it'll probably get with the Touch. (or maybe I'm imagining things...) Two comments. First, I find recordings to be far more variable than anything I do to my system. Sometimes the tweak that best highlights one recording brings out the worst in another. The problem in trying to fix things that way is it quickly becomes a dog chasing its own tail. Second, humans have very vivid imaginations and it is very easy to make grand declarations about small changes. The nice thing for the person playing recordings in their home is that the only thing that really matters is that they are happy with their system. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
Dazed and Confused wrote: Just set up Touch for the first time. FLAC files are being fed via a wired connection from a Synology DS212+ NAS, then into amp (analogue) using the supplied leads and thenspeakers. The sound is very digital, ie bright and and I want to know ways of making it less digital. I have read that power supplies can help and also feeding into a stand alone DAC then into the AMP. I haven't seen this mentioned in the other messages, but how did you make the comparison that led to the conclusion the Touch is bright sounding? When I got my first Squeezebox, I compared CDs played on my CD player against the exact same music ripped to lossless format (FLAC) through the player. I started the two sources as closely in sync as I could and level matched them so the volume was the same, then switched the amp's input control between the two. I could not reliably hear any difference in sound quality. Expectations and subconscious influences have a big impact on what we hear, so do some carefully setup comparisons and give yourself a bit of time to adjust to the new device in your system. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New touch - Strategic advice please
You can always find someone, somewhere, who has a problem with any version of a software program even if things are fine for most users. I can only say that I've been running 7.7.2 (Linux version) on a Vortexbox with absolutely no issues. I've got a Touch, SB3 and a Radio. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95432 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New touch - Strategic advice please
grum wrote: @mlsstl - I agree, and generally I tend not to have a lot of issues. Can I go straight from 7.5.4 to 7.7.2? Shouldn't be a big issue for that version jump. Any issues that I've ever had from a version upgrade have always been fixed easily by manually clearing the Squeezebox server cache directory and then rescanning from scratch. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95432 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB HDD implementation flaky. Why?
badhack wrote: I am a bit shocked. If it can decode FLAC streams likely it can handle 100 playlist. This aspect of the Touch falls into the no good deed goes unpunished category. All prior Slim Device players prior to this required a local server in order to play local music. That's where the name Slim Device came from - it referred to a minimalist network player design that counted on access to a server that could do the heavy lifting. In the Touch, they had a shade more processing power and decided it'd be nice to let the player directly access flash drives and memory cards. That meant that instantly people were trying to use large external USB hard drives to play big collections. This often didn't work well. In fact, the original release of the Touch was delayed almost 6 months while they tried to tweak code to improve this function. (The advertising material originally referred to the ability to directly play USB drives and that got dropped.) In short, they tried to give a bit of extra functionality and ended up getting whacked for the effort. Ultimately, this is still a very good and very handy slim network player and an outstanding buy at $300. The current model Touch will never be a good stand-alone server. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB HDD implementation flaky. Why?
badhack wrote: Thanks for the info. I don't know what to say, they are doing the right thing, I'm surprised performance is so poor! It's the same thing pointed out before. The whole series of Squeezebox network players were originally designed to have a server running in the background. The Touch's designers made the mistake of trying to give an extra bit of functionality within the parameters of the original server software, and now you're frustrated they didn't redo it from the ground up, your way. Those decisions were made several years ago and I seriously doubt Logitech is going to do anything at this point beyond maintenance. It remains to be seen if new models will come out (Logitech is notoriously closed-mouth about products in development.) So, at this point, you've got a couple of choices. You can use the Touch with a server and enjoy good performance. You can use the internal server and get frustrated, or you can start hacking the Linux OS and do things your way. You can also dump the Touch and find another product that better suits your needs. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Noise on RCA outputs at max. volume.
Do you get the hiss if you disconnect the RCA interconnects from the Touch to the preamp? Do you get the hiss if you connect another line source (tuner, CD player, etc.) to the preamp? If you get the same hiss from other sources or with no input then the noise is probably originating in the preamp. Looking briefly online, ESP indicates this preamp has jumpers or dip switches that can adjust the preset gain level. Sounds like this would be a good place to start. It also might be worth trying some shorter cables if the other approach doesn't help. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95130 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] HDD Assistance
I strongly recommend the Vortexbox approach. Just replaced my old music server about 2 weeks ago with one. They come as a preconfigured hardware device starting for under US$500 (exact cost depends hard drive size) or you can download the software for free. I did the latter and bought an inexpensive Foxconn server on Amazon. I do ripping on my other computer so didn't bother with the optical drive in the VB server. I also used an existing HD I owned so my total investment in the new server was $150. The Foxconn has an Atom based processor so has plenty of horsepower for music server duty, running Logitech Media Server (the current version of the old Squeezeboxserver program.) However, the Atom processor has very low power consumption and easily runs 24/7. This approach eliminates the stability problems people have using the Touch directly with a USB drive and the Vortexbox approach gives much better performance than the usually underpowered NAS boxes. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95085 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] external HD some albums not showing
What operating system are you using? Could be a file ownership or permissions issue. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95064 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] external HD some albums not showing
You might try manually clearing the cache before rescanning. I'm a Linux user so can tell you where to find it on that system, but XP should also have one floating around somewhere. Deleting the old cache has periodically been necessary when I've upgraded SBS/LMS. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95064 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New SBT user
I'd also recommend you try the Touch's built-in analog outputs for a while before buying an external DAC. First, that will let you get used to the Squeezebox experience without investing a bunch more money. Make sure you're comfortable with the process of ripping your CDs to a high quality format (e.g., FLAC, etc.) and become familiar with the user interface and regular operation. Then, after a month or two, if you still feel the need to try an external DAC, you'll be able to concentrate on that change and you'll have a solid reference point to determine if it's worth it. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94091 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Tablet for the Touch
I'm using a Kindle Fire as a remote with the Squeeze Commander software. Works great - I highly recommend the combo. In fact I recently sold my Squeezebox Controller (from the Duet) as I wasn't using it much anymore. I had previously tried Squeeze Commander on my HTC Android phone but found the screen too small and kept going back to the Controller. The Kindle's larger screen solves that issue. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94026 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touchy about the future?
I've been a Squeezebox user for almost 10 years, dating back to the original SliMP3. I currently have a Touch, a SB3, a Radio and a Controller. While I really like them and think they are a great music source, if Logitech discontinued them tomorrow, I'd certainly give them a moment of silence out of respect, but then life would go on. First, most of the units in the field are going to keep working for a long time. Used ones will continue to be in circulation if you feel strongly about adding another unit or replacing one. (Look at all the old tube amps and even Victrolas still in circulation after 50 to 100 years!) Second, nothing Logitech does or doesn't do will affect my music collection. There are many other players available that will stream music from my hard drive. (It's far more important that I maintain backups than keep an extra Squeezebox around.) So, yes, they have a fine product and I'd like to see them keep making it, but it's not the end of the world if they do the corporate thing and move in a different direction. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91782 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Transition from SB Classic to Touch
Which version of Squeezeboxserver (now Logitech Media Server in the latest incarnation) are you running? If you haven't updated your server program for quite some time, you may need a more current version to fully use the Touch. Otherwise, the Touch is pretty much a drop-in for the Classic. I went from a SB3 in my main system to a Touch with no issues. (The SB3 is still in-use in a second system along with a Radio and a Controller - they all get along fine.) -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] feeling sick
I'd expect eBay/Paypal would refund your money if the seller doesn't do it voluntarily. If the seller provided a specific power supply with your purchase, you had every reason to presume it was the correct one. He owes you a refund. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91374 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] I am baffled
My experience with wireless indicates that moving a device just inches can make a big difference in reception. I'd suspect this first. That said, no manufacturer has 100% quality control perfection, so it is possible there is some unintentional difference between the two units. I'd think any intentional change somewhat less likely. Wireless devices require certification by the FCC and even minor changes mean a trip back through the recertification process. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91069 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] I'm a cynic, so why does it work???
Why does it work? has answers at two extremes. At one end, the equipment change resulted in some technical improvement - perhaps lower interference or noise - that you're now hearing. At the other end, it could be all in your head. In the middle, it could be a combination of those factors. People often forget the brain is actually pretty easy to fool. Take all those optical illusions involving colors, shapes, figures, etc. No one blames that perception on the optical equivalent of a bad USB cable (I would have never been fooled if they'd printed this on better paper) They just see what they see. People often forget that subjective influences often take place at a subconscious level and don't always follow the easy explanations of confirmation bias or peer influence. I recall one study a year or two ago where they found the color of a contestant's jersey reliably influenced a judge's call in a sports contest. Red is the one you want. Various explanations were offered, but they were just theories. If you truly need to prove you're hearing a difference, you'll need to construct some type of blind test that removes the potential for subjective influence. Otherwise, if you're happy and the expenditure is within your budget, then just enjoy the sound. At that level, the exact cause doesn't really matter. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90706 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] On a positive note (Touch's analog out)
My former source was a SB3 with a Lavry DA-10. When I got the Touch a year and a half ago, I synced and level matched the analog outs of the Touch against the SB3/Lavry combo. After two weeks of comparison, I found I couldn't reliably tell the difference between the two set-ups, so I sold the Lavry. (I kept the SB3 for a second system.) When it comes to the sound of my system, I'm the biggest variable. I can talk myself into justifying pretty much anything if I wish. Second place in the variability contest goes to recordings - they are all over the place in terms of mike choice placement, mixing, processing and effects. (I always marvel at those who appear to pick a component because one particular pop/rock recording sounds good.) Anyway, while I sometimes find myself in a poor mood for listening, or been disappointed with this or that recording, I've yet to said to myself that I wish the analog outs of the Touch were doing something different. I know others have a different opinion. That could be my pedestrian system or tin ear, or it could be their active imagination (or both!) but that's fine. Fortunately, survival of the world doesn't depend on our reaching agreement on this particular subject. ;-) -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90656 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Switching from SB3 to Touch
I don't run OSX, but on my Linux box, to upgrade the server software, I always stop the current program (/sbin/services squeezeboxserver stop at the command prompt). Then I uninstall the old version, then install the new one. It starts automatically on installation. Then I set up the correct Mysqueezebox.com login info and point the server to the local music and playlist directories. The server rescans the music directory and that's about it. I've had very few problems with upgrades and anything that's popped up has been minor. Since you're coming from an older version of SBS (7.3), you will want to be careful in making sure the new SBS user has access to the music directory and files. If I recall correctly, OSX can also be picky about file permissions. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90404 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: Can�t access music library
Yes, some people have been successful in getting Touch's internal server to work directly with an external USB drive. Others have given up. You may need to get a different brand/model of drive - it appears some work better than others. You probably also need to be very consistent about the type of music file format, tagging, and artwork. You want to leave a lot of free space on the drive (20% or more.) I'd suggest you spend some time in the forums researching the many messages on the subject and see if you can spot what successful users have done versus your current setup. Good luck! -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89851 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: Can�t access music library
Since you had a SB3, that also means you were using a computer running the Squeezeboxserver program. Why don't you use the Touch with the external computer? It is no secret that using the Touch's built-in tiny-SBS program with an external USB drive is wildly problematic. Logitech hasn't advertised the Touch's USB port as anything more than a convenience for flash drives for about year. The Touch's performance is very solid when using an external computer. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89851 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 7.6 and cover art
Mick5;643783 Wrote: Being used as beta testers is not a good look. The fact remains that cover art was there before 7.6 and gone after. I shouldn't have to delve into the server's guts to get things back to normal. I'm grateful to you guys for any help and advice, but Logitech need to run these updates prior to release. I've gone back to my original Touch server download-cover art back in place. Just a reminder that a company can beta-test until the cows come home and there will still be a few people out there with unique hardware configurations, software conflicts or something else special going on. I was researching an issue the other day and Googled Apple OS problems and got 167 million hits. That's using the most highly controlled hardware and operating system in commercial use. Even if most of those hits are not Apple's fault, a few percent of 167 million is still a bunch. In your case, call Logitech and give them a chance to help you before complaining too loudly. For me, the 7.6 update worked fine - artwork and all - on a Linux server (FC12) with just shy of 51,000 songs. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89045 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 7.6 and cover art
Mick5;643823 Wrote: However, who's complaining loudly? My comment was ...-before- complaining too loudly. ;-) But, whatever reduces your angst. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89045 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] As if tags were suddenly stripped away ...
Have you used MP3Tag or a similar program to examine the tags for the files in question? I always manually check the tags before I add music to my Squeezebox music folder and haven't had any problems. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88959 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch without a network
This is just off the top of my head - don't know if there are issues that might prevent it working - but could you just take the Touch to a wireless hot spot (local coffee shop, etc.) and use their wireless to download the needed firmware update? It would probably need to be a place with a minimal logon routine but those exist. Then, once that's done, bring it home and you should be fine without the network. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88201 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 'connection refused' by squeeze server
jgoor;634059 Wrote:
I run the latest squeezeserver on ubuntu linux 10.04.
With softsqueeze I can play music from that server.
My out-of-the-box Squeezebox Touch however gives the following
message:
squeezeplay: ERROR net.http - SocketHttp.lua:390 SocketHttp {Johns
muziekdoos_Chunked}:t_sendRequest.pump: connection refused
Can anyone help me with this please?
Thanx!
Check your firewall settings in Ubuntu. It needs to be open for traffic
on ports 9000 (tcp) and 3483 (tcp udp). You should be able to restrict
this to your local network if you desire.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 'connection refused' by squeeze server
jgoor;634082 Wrote: I will try that but just being curious: can you explain why softsqueeze *does* work apparently with this same firewall setting? EDIT: root@slarti:~# ufw status Status: inactive Ubuntu by default has no firewalling. I guess this will not be the problem Does your home network have a router? You might check that. Is the SoftSqueeze player on the same machine as the server or a different box? Are you using the router's DHCP for IP assignment? You want consistent use of addresses within your network. I'm a Fedora Core user (which comes with the firewall turned on), so am not familiar with Ubuntu beyond general Linux basics. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88055 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Empty Music Directories
Have you checked to see if the file/directory ownership and permissions of the newly ripped files are the same as the existing music? From a terminal window, the command ls -al (without quote marks) will show the ownership and permission settings. I've found this can be an issue when an externals drive is connected over time to more than one computer. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87858 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Empty Music Directories
The first thing to check is the ownership permissions of a file that your Touch has been able to index. Then check the ownership permissions of the recently added files skipped by the scan. Using the ls -al command above, you'll get an output that looks something like this: [directory]$ ls -al drwxr-x--- owner group filesize date time .. rwxr-x--- owner group filesize date time filename.type The first line after the command is the directory info, hence the d. The second and following lines relate to individual files. The first rwx indicates the owner can read, write execute this file. The middle r-x shows that any member of the group can read execute, but not write over the file. The last --- says that all other users have no access to the file. Note that any of the three groups (owner, group, all others) can have any combo of r, w or x. Where owner group shows will be replaced by the owner's user ID and his group status. The filesize, date, time filename info is self-evident. If there is a difference between the owner/group info of the file Touch can scan and the one it cant, that is likely your problem. You can use the chown command to change the ownership group info on a file and the chmod command to change the permissions if needed. From the command prompt, type man chown or man chmod for use options. You can also change permissions from the GUI Nautilus file browser under the properties/permissions tab. However, I'd recommend that you first just check if there is a difference between the files Touch can scan and the ones it can't. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87858 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Owner
danman;629886 Wrote: Thanks. I did the formatting and nothing else is on the flashdrive but it still wont work. I am going to try SD cards as this is easier and more what I would like. Another question I would have is do you shut it down or just leave go into sleep mode? What is best? Thank you Excuse my newbie questions This is off the top of my head, but I faintly remember that some brands or models of USB flash drives are little too far off the standard and won't work with the Touch, even though they might be OK with your laptop or computer. Don't take this comment as gospel, but rather just something to investigate. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87551 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Frustrated-Unable to connect to server
CraigS720;614817 Wrote: I own five squeezeboxes. In November I added a Squeezebox Touch. It was the only one that could not connect to the server. I worked diligently with customer support for the better part of a week and we couldn't get it to work no matter what we tried. Finally, thinking the device was defective I returned it. After a two month wait I received my new Touch and I still have the same problem. My two SB 2s, two SB 3s, and Duet all work fine. My touch will not connect to the server. It says I need to download the server software on my computer. The Touch works with mysqueezebox.com just fine allowing me to use Pandora, Internet radio and Rhapsody. I have an iMac running OSX 10.6.6 with 8GB Ram, Firewall turned off. I have tried reinstalling the server software, running the Touch wired and wireless, restoring factory settings with no success. It just will not recognize my iMac.I have tried to disconnect the player on my squeezebox.com but it won't do it. I am extremely frustrated. Anyone have any thoughts before I have another go around with customer support (who have always tried to be helpful). Thanks. Craig Quick question - what version of Squeezeboxserver are you running? And when you open the Settings menu of the Squeezeboxserver web page, does it show the Touch available in the Players tab? I don't have a Mac, but do run Linux on my server and have no problem seeing the Touch, SB3 and Radio. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86014 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Frustrated-Unable to connect to server
Just out of curiosity, have you checked your router settings? Routers typically contain their own firewall so it might be worth checking those settings. And, I assume DHCP is assigning IP addresses in the same range to everyone? My system has a mix of static and dynamic addresses. When I switched routers recently I had to manually change the statics from 192.168.2.X to 192.168.1.X. And I believe the port that Squeezeboxserver needs to have open is 3483, both TCP and UDP. I'm not a Mac person, so those are pretty generic thoughts. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86014 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;611977 Wrote: Sorry to keep bumping this -- but would a crossover cable or adapter solve my problems? http://www.amazon.com/Cables-Unlimited-Cat6-Crossover-Adapter/dp/B00030BYJI Quite possibly. A router or switch will automatically adjust for the correct connection. In the old days a crossover cable was needed if one directly connected two computers without going through a switch or hub. It is quite possible that even some more recent network cards do not have this automatic adjustment. BTW, a few months ago I needed to replace a faulty 5 port switch. The replacement cost me about $15, brand new including shipping, on eBay. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Haven't had this much fun since . . .
Henry66;610927 Wrote: You people must be old? I converted to 100% CD's in 1990. Old is a relative term. I feel fairly young next to my mother, who is almost 84. I started my record collecting in the mid 1960s. In the late 1960s I acquired an open reel and ended up with more than a few original items on tape along with some copies of studio masters. In those cases, you either convert or lose them. I found the process rather enjoyable overall, plus it was always exciting to rediscover a lost gem. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Haven't had this much fun since . . .
Henry66;610944 Wrote: I hope to live long enough to see the demise of physical media for music and video. Everything in the cloud. Resistance is futile. I don't know... I'm inherently suspicious of leaving my collection completely in the hands of others. It sounds nice if you say it fast, but consider the following examples. Remember the abomination of colorized BW movies? I'm sure they thought they were doing us a great favor. It was very hard to find an original version during this period. What happens when the only version in the cloud of your favorite song is the over-compressed remixed loudness wars casualty? Copyright holders are notorious about changing their minds. Someone only needs to wake up on the wrong side of the bed one morning and you'll find material from a favorite artist gone. I can remember a period when the great Marx Bros. comedies were virtually non-existent. My wife - a Jimmy Spheeris fan - saw his stuff disappear for a period due to copyright issues. At one point used CDs were around $100 a pop. Even today the out-of-print The Dragon Is Dancing CD is $40 used as the price came down since you can download the album if an MP3 is acceptable. I just finished the book The Master Switch by Tim Wu which looks at the history of technology and communications starting with the telegraph. Consistently for the past 150 years, things have repeatedly cycled toward monopoly control with others deciding what we should hear/see and when. I think I'll hang onto my stuff for a while longer ;-) -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Haven't had this much fun since . . .
magiccarpetride;611108 Wrote: If the latter, the question becomes: am I going to keep that digitized music on my crash-prone HD, or in the cloud? I'd point out that if the cloud truly takes shape as some envision, it'll be there whether I consent or not, and it'll be there whether I hang onto my own collection or not. I certainly don't mind them putting the cloud out there. If it were present, I'd probably use it to some degree, just as I enjoy watching films through my Roku player. Actually that's a pretty good example. There are some very interesting things to watch via the Roku, but there is a mountain of material that isn't likely to be available anytime soon. On Saturday we watched a BBC Mrs. Bradley episode with Diana Rigg via Amazon/Roku. Of the 5 episodes created, only one is available streamed. Why? I can only guess, but I'd suspect it is one of the reasons mentioned earlier. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Haven't had this much fun since . . .
magiccarpetride;611135 Wrote: By 'in the cloud' I meant more like your own private portion of the 'cloud'. For example, I have an Amazon S3 account, which allows me to store my digital media on my private 'cloud' and stream it anywhere in the world. So I don't care whether that content is available publicly or not (as in on Netflix); this is my content, the one I've obtained and am storing it in a safe, protected area. I like Amazon, too, but they are still a big corporation and big corporations (as well as governments) do flaky things from time to time. Remember the George Orwell 1984 incident about a year a half ago? Amazon found they sold a Kindle edition of the book they shouldn't have and they went out and literally erased everyone's copy. That made a real big stink, and certainly there was no little irony due to the book involved. Like noted above, I'd probably use a personal cloud if the concept takes off, but you'd still have a hard time prying my fingers off my local copies. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Haven't had this much fun since . . .
Tony T;610850 Wrote: Agreed, but instead of only ripping CD's, I also ripped my entire vinyl collection (vey sloowly). It took me about 9 years to completely convert my LP and open reel collection. It is a lot of fun to revisit one's own stuff. I discovered a few things I didn't even know I owned! -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
lcrim;608574 Wrote: Your experience in running the Touch via wired ethernet is fairly typical. Its difficult not to notice the improvement. As in most things audio, there has been a vocal minority on this site that clings to strict manufacturer's doctrines denying all user innovation in the use of the Touch. One can argue endlessly as to which group is the vocal minority and which is in the majority. Similarly, it doesn't take much for the high school quality Ford vs Chevy debates to deteriorate into implied or outright impugning - Your system isn't resolving enough, Your hearing or training is no good, Your mother wears army boots and so on. I suspect the true reality is the vast majority of Touch users simply turn on the device and listen to music with great enjoyment without worrying too much about wires, connection types and so on. It is the minority that obsesses over minutiae, no matter which end of the stick they chase. Regardless in which camp one resides, each person is free to pursue their hobby as they see fit. Sometimes that means the obsessives are doing something that does make a difference (but just doesn't matter to most) and other times they may just be feeding a vivid imagination. It doesn't really matter as long as that individual is getting the enjoyment they want. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Music really IS better sounding after changes
I've never heard of hiss as an artifact of a digital deficiency. That is almost inevitably a byproduct of tape noise from the open reel used for the original recording or something else going on with your analog gain stages in your amplification stream. A recording from the 1960s would almost certainly have been recorded on a studio open reel and this would have been pre-Dolby. The master recording is simply going to contain a certain amount of hiss. Unless you are using digital processing to remove this hiss, it simply won't go away because you've changed certain aspects of your digital configuration. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85449 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Music Folder empty problem
My Squeezeboxserver runs on Linux, not Windows, but I know file permissions are a critical issue with Linux. In Linux, Squeezeboxserver sets up its own user, but it needs access to the files owned by the regular user. You might check the directory security settings for Windows to see if everyone has appropriate access to the music directory and files. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80127 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] A DAC for the SB
Atver;597888 Wrote: The more I think about it (without trying a different DAC yet) I'm wondering if the difference I hear between the Touch and my CDP is more of a cumulation of everything...Ripping/Wireless/DAC/etc, etc besides JUST the DAC. I suspect a Mac Mini (or whatever) connected directly to a DAC and the stereo would sound closer to what I want Interesting pronouncement since the Mac will have variables of its own. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83976 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch DAC vs EMU 0404
I believe the Touch has a 30 day money back guarantee. Why not try it in your system and decide for yourself? I had a Lavry DAC I used with a SB3 that I sold after I got a Touch. Other people have reached different conclusions. Trying it yourself is the only way for you to know for sure. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84157 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] A DAC for the SB
magiccarpetride;596144 Wrote: The reason is that DACs are notorious for needing a lot of burn in time. snip I can't say I've run into that particular bit of notoriety before. The only problem with that theory is you'll basically never be able to compare two pieces of equipment. The advocates of whichever piece of gear loses the competition will be able to state that theirs had the wrong number of hours on it. If it has 50, it should have been 100. If 100, it should have been 200. The debate is endless. It's stuff like this that led me to happily surrender my audiophile card. In my case, the Lavry had a couple of years on it. The Touch I kept was just out of the box and only had 25 or 30 hours on it at the conclusion of my comparison. (Of course that brings up another aspect of burn-in I find interesting - things only ever get better - never worse.) I think the main point to the original poster is that he should try the analog outs of the Touch before rushing to spend money on an external DAC. His choice should not be the subject of a vote by others. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83976 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] A DAC for the SB
I've posted this comment several times, but will repeat it again. I used a Lavry DA-10 with a SB3 when the Touch arrived. I did a synced and volume matched comparison between the analog out of the Touch and my SB3/Lavry combo for two weeks. I routinely found myself unable to tell the difference between the two without checking the position of the amp's input selector. I ended up selling the Lavry DAC 8 months ago and haven't thought of upgrading since. I'd encourage you to listen to the Touch by itself for a while. Why worry about upgrades before you even listened? -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83976 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] A DAC for the SB
praganj;595677 Wrote: It is diffcult to believe that SBT sounds close to Lavry, but everybody has his own experience :), so the best way is to test differents dacs with SBT at home It may be difficult to believe, but that was my experience. I first bought the Lavry as I wanted better sound than my SB3 delivered. As such, I was anticipating it would be the same with the Touch, but it wasn't. Of course, others can blame my failure to appreciate the Lavry with the Touch on my aged ears or lack of system resolution/fanciness/cost, but I gave up the audiophile game quite some time ago. There are also plenty of psychological aspects that can impact perceptions. The net result is I no longer needed the more expensive DAC to get the full musical satisfaction I want from my system. Others may reach a different conclusion so, yes, it's important others listen for themselves. As they say, YMMV. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83976 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] new touch owner - one problem
I've never had that problem. You might give a few more details about your system, particularly regarding the PC you're using as server. What OS are you using? What's the CPU speed and how much RAM? Are you using virus protection? Does the PC have other duties besides running Squeezeserver? You could also call Logitech and have them walk through the situation with you. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83069 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch - An Australian review
Excellent review! I enjoyed reading it, and as an owner of a variety of Squeezeboxes, you got it spot on. My only observation is that I think many in the audiophile world still get too caught up in the external DAC game. I had a SB3 with a Lavry and the external DAC did make enough of a difference for me to justify the expense. When I got the Touch last April, I spent about 2 weeks doing a synced, level-matched comparison between the SB3/Lavry and the Touch. I was rarely able to spot the difference and generally had to take a look at the amp input selector switch to tell which was playing. However, that's probably just me. I turned in my audiophile club card some time ago out of annoyance. I wonder if some of these people even bother listening to the music these days -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82593 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch - An Australian review
johnnydarko;582421 Wrote: But yes, the internal DAC in the Touch is very good and certainly the first I could happily listen to without the urge to slap an external DAC into the hifi chain. I sold my Lavry DA-10 about a month after I got the Touch. I haven't looked back since. Just finished a couple hour listening session this evening and can't think of why I'd want anything else. Most of my frustration these days are the recordings themselves. The Touch clearly reveals the mikes used, their position, mixing and processing choices, the sound of the venue and so on. If those choices are off base (in my opinion) there's nothing a DAC can do to fix those issues. Count me a happy Touch user. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82593 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Music File Formats (from a new user)
Welcome to Squeezebox world! I'd vote for FLAC. It is still lossless and offers far better tag support. As your collection grows, that becomes a bigger and bigger issue. I've done back-to-back comparisons of WAV vs FLAC as well as CD to FLAC and I find no difference in sound quality. Of course, that's one of those subjects where there is no shortage of opinions. In that light, perhaps it is worth it for you to spend some time running a few experiments and then do what makes the most sense to you. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82444 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Any gotchas going from Duet/SBR to Touch?
I added a Touch to my system about six months ago. I already had a SB3, a Radio and a Duet setup. The Touch set up easily and connected to my Squeezebox Server without problem. It simply appeared as a fourth unit. The Duet Controller also controlled the Touch as easily as it works with all the other players. I ended up selling my Receiver (kept the Controller) and didn't have to do anything special to take it out of the system. The buyer had to do a reset to factory settings so he could connect it to his wireless network, but that is a simple process. As a network media player, the Touch is wonderful. The only deficiency has been for those who wish to do away with an external server and use the built-in tiny SBS. That works fine for some but has been problematic for others. However, things should be fine for anyone that uses an external server. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82392 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wireless vs Ethernet. Any sound quality differences?
firedog;577361 Wrote: I agree in theory there should be no difference. [snip] On the Touch I've switched to wired. Main reason is that there were problems on my system with some skips and too much (re)buffering, mainly with hi-res files. Since switching to wired about 99% of these problems have disappeared. YMMV - on my setup it made a difference. As far as sound quality, I think I hear a minor improvement with wired, but I may be imagining it The skipping and buffering problems are exactly what one would expect with a poor wireless connection. Does anyone remember the old game of moving the rabbit ears on a TV set for the best reception? A few inches one way or the other could make a big difference in picture quality. A wireless computer signal is still a radio wave. I had a very poor connection when I installed a Squeezebox Radio in the kitchen. After looking at the situation, I realized I had a washer/dryer sitting in the direct path between the router and the radio. Moving the router down two shelves solved the problem - the signal now ran under the washer/dryer. As for the sound quality difference, I realize that some have come up with theories (i.e., when on, the wireless module contaminates the analog line section, etc.) but I try to follow Occum's Razor on such things. Subjective influences in humans, conscious and unconscious, are very well documented and in constant operation in our brains. I'd vote for that as the most likely to account for your perception, but then it's also OK. Whatever works to enhance your enjoyment of music is fine in my book. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82026 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wireless vs Ethernet. Any sound quality differences?
Steve W;576941 Wrote: I also think the same but I still worry about audio quality/integrity. I worry about small, occasional data loss that could just contribute to jitter, poor clock timing or stereo imaging and hence degrade the audio quality subtly without actual drop out? Remember that the Touch and earlier Squeezebox players contain a buffer that collects the incoming data stream and then parcels it out as needed. I once unplugged the CAT-5 cable to my SB3 and it continued to play perfectly for 7 or 8 seconds before it stopped. That's a long time in the world of data transmission. Also, if you just want to be paranoid, any delay or minor interruption in a wireless signal can be duplicated on a wired LAN that shares the data path with other computers. The only problem with wireless is it can be subject to interference from other wireless devices such as 2.4 GHz cordless phones, etc. It that's an issue you're going to notice it and it won't be subtle. Otherwise, my opinion is that if it is working, don't worry about it unless you're just determined to have a case of audiophilia nervosa one way or the other. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82026 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] I give up! SB Touch External HD Nightmare
JohnSwenson;576760 Wrote: Then marketing heard about it... In other words, another good example of no good deed goes unpunished -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81784 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Review in upcoming Stereophile issue
I'm not sure I understand why the Touch ended up a class D component. The issue has come up in a couple of forums and it seems there is some avoidance regarding an explanation. The Transporter got an A rating. Having used both in my home system I find the difference between the two relatively small even without taking the price difference into account. I would have thought a class B or at least a C rating would have been appropriate. Is the Touch just too cheap and small to rate higher? It seems an issue worth discussing. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81346 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] I give up! SB Touch External HD Nightmare
ModelCitizen;575426 Wrote: You haven't tried the Controller then? I use a Controller with my Touch and a SB3 and am pretty happy with it. (I sold the Duet's receiver.) I'd give the Controller about a 7 on a scale of 1 to 10. It works well the vast majority of the time, but occasionally just isn't instant on fast enough, such as when you need to turn the volume down because the phone is ringing, etc. (I've got the wireless always on in the power settings, so that's not the issue.) And, periodically it'll reboot for no apparent reason. (But then MS Windows can do the same and Microsoft has a lot more resources to throw at things than Logitech.) I find it a pretty good way to access my music collection; it looks good and has some nice features. It just has an underlying hint of flakiness that keeps it out of the top tier of neat things. As much as I like my Touch as a NMP, the unremitting hassle of Tiny SBS is several orders of magnitude worse than the Controller. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81784 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles
A lot of the skepticism is created by those who declare huge differences with these types of changes. I realize some get enthusiastic about such things, but for me, a huge change in sound quality is moving from a table radio or a boom box to a good system. With over 40 years in this hobby (and some professional experience) unless a wire has been clearly defective or completely inappropriate for the task, the only difference I've ever heard in wires has been quite subtle. Now, lots of people will pay serious money for a subtle difference they consider important. Restaurants with three stars get to charge more than a restaurant with two, colorless diamonds cost more than those with a tinge of yellow and so on. So I'm not suggesting people don't spend their money as they see fit, but if they could scale back their hyperbole on the Monty Python silliness scale they might find less derision pointed their way. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78938 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] I give up! SB Touch External HD Nightmare
I have a Touch and use it with an external server. It is a very solid performer in this capacity and I'm quite pleased with it. However, in perhaps a half-dozen tries, I've never been successful in getting the built-in SBS to run well with an external drive with my full collection. (48,000 songs in variety of formats - mostly FLAC with some MP3, M4A and WMA) on either of my backups (Western Digital reformatted EXT3 so the clever and hidden add ons are a non-issue.) I have been successful when using USB Flash drives and memory cards, though none of those went past 8 GB.I've essentially lost interest in spending any more time trying to get it to work correctly as a stand-alone since my primary interest in owning it is to listen to music. It does that very well with the external server. The problem is the Touch is not ready as a consumer product for use as a standalone server with an external drive. No player meant for use by non-technical types should have the catalog of limitations and things to check listed in iPhone's message. Alternatively, Logitech should sell a certified external drive that people who are interested in this feature could purchase in order to bypass the experimentation and gotchas they frequently now encounter. It would also be fair to list tiny SBS as a beta feature, suitable for experimentation by the small, adventurous segment of buyers, but nothing more in my opinion. Interestingly, Logitech no longer highlights this as a stand-alone player for external USB hard drives. Under Features their web site states it can be used with USB flash drives and SD cards. The specifications page makes a slightly vague reference to USB drives but says nothing more. Perhaps if they would have taken this approach from the start there would have been fewer disappointed customers. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81784 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] I'm beginning to this product is pants
Waldo Pepper;573386 Wrote: When I first bought this device, it was everything I wanted in a product. Music Internet radio at my finger tips. Recently it refuses to connect to my USB disk and my USB thumbdrive. Everytime I switch it on it can take upto 10 times to try and reconnect. I am a consumer and don't expect to have to reboot time and time again to listen to the radio in the morning. I would have recommended this on first light, but I am really glad I never dismantled my HiFi. It's simply a rubbish product that will be returned. I have also never have had to browse forums for hours to use my simple FM radio. Did you phone the official support line or email and ask for help? There's no need to look through the forums if you don't wish. There are learning curves for almost all products. No one sits behind the wheel of a car for the first time at age 15 or 16 and is a good driver. It takes some instruction and practice. However, once you learn to drive, most people forget the early difficulties when they didn't know what they were doing. Same thing with iPhones, VCRs and so on. There is likely a simple answer to your problem, that once learned, will make your Touch as simple to use and as reliable as I've found mine. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81642 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch will not read USB Flash Drive
The obvious next thing to try is a different flash drive. If the Touch can read the other drive that would help establish that the Touch is probably OK and there is something flaky about the first flash drive. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80256 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch will not read USB Flash Drive
sleepysurf;560035 Wrote: BTW, can the Touch handle 24/96 FLAC tracks streamed directly from a USB Flash Drive? I don't have very much 24/96 material, but what I do have plays fine from either the server or a flash drive. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80256 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Using digital output only, should I go for the Touch or spend $1000 on a Transporter
I'll vote for Phil's analysis. It is spot-on in my opinion. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80128 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB playback comlaints unfair
jcowling;551032 Wrote: I have followed some of the threads complaining about limitations with using the Touch with larger music collections on USB drives. I strikes me that some users may be expecting too much from a $300 device What do you think? What do I think? I think Logitech heavily promoted the player as being capable of doing these things and that no great technical knowledge was required. The expectation was that a hard drive could be plugged in and things would just work. No complicated kabuki ritual required. It there are limitations to the capabilities of the internal server, they should be clearly noted in the company's advertising and user documentation. They are not. I've used a Touch as a traditional Squeezebox player with an external server for the past 6 or 7 weeks and think it's great. I've experimented with it's internal server and a large hard drive three times and never achieved satisfactory results. Note that my computer knowledge is above average and I've been a Linux user for close to 15 years now. So while the Tiny SBS problems don't directly affect my use of the Touch, I can certainly understand the frustration of those who bought one, expecting it to work as advertised. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79199 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB playback comlaints unfair
Tony T;551218 Wrote: As I said: Not looking for an exact number Give me a range. Is 2,000 to 6,000 ok? Is 10,000 to 12,000 a possible problem, is anything over 25,000 'too large' I can tell you what doesn't work. I've got 46,000+ songs (mostly FLAC but with some MP3 and M4A) and one cover.jpg per folder (max 500 X 500) and the internal server hasn't yet been able to complete a scan. I have to qualify that I haven't tried again for 2 or 3 weeks and I'm now on the beta of 7.5.1 and a couple of firmware updates later. Things may be better now (or not) but I just haven't had time to futz with it again. I may try this weekend, but the unofficial documentation (i.e., the buzz on this forum) says the Touch can't be used for anything else during the very slow scan process so I'll need to be sure I don't want to listen to any music during the time period the Touch will be scanning. Even if Logitech can't give a precise size at which large USB drives become dicey with Tiny SBS, they could at least include some generic wording that the internal server is not suitable for all situations. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79199 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME (music) PLAYER
iwannatouch;550391 Wrote: Please, if you have the time and the interest, share your thoughts on my dilemma. Am I being realistic or a worry-wart? What would you do in my situation? Are there other considerations that I'm not aware of. Any and all replies will be greatly appreciated. Depending on how you plan on using the Touch, you may be in the worry-wart category. I've had my Touch working in my system for a month and a half now as a replacement for by SB3 (Classic) and it works excellently as a player for my existing Squeezebox server system. The sound quality of the Touch by itself was so good that I chose to sell my external Lavry DAC. So, just used as a player with an external server, I don't know they have much tweaking left to do. The knotty part is if you wish to use the Touch's internal server. In following the threads (and doing a bit of experimenting myself), this is where more work is needed if you plan on using a large external USB drive directly plugged into the Touch. However, even in that situation, not everyone has a problem. Keep in mind that Logitech has a 30 day return policy. If you're serious about wanting a Touch, why not just try it out yourself? -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79118 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch problems
pfarrell;547686 Wrote: I've not seen any internal product goals, I'm just a beta tester, but I will bet you a beer that supporting a 500 gb disk was never in scope. Supporting a 4GB thumb drive was. Unfortunately, if you read the specifications on Logitech's products page for the Touch, there are -no- limitations noted regarding external USB devices. If the Touch was never meant to be used with large external drives then Logitech is being their own worst enemy in not warning buyers of these limitations. That only guarantees a number of customers are going to be dissatisfied. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78386 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Is Touch even available in Canada?
magiccarpetride;545215 Wrote: True. Recently, bestbuy.com (US) were selling an external 1 terabyte HD for $79.99, while bestbuy.ca (Canada) had the exact same HD for $129.00. And the US and the Canadian dollar are pretty much on par these days (fifty bucks more in Canada?!? What kind of a fishy conversion rate is that?) So who's crazy here? That may have more to do with what products get chosen as loss leaders in their respective markets or what inventory levels look like at the warehouse that services a particular region, just to throw two variables into the mix. There are always factors involved that no one outside the company can know. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78389 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Got the touch but why this random...(multiple issues)
JohnSwenson;545279 Wrote: The very first time you plug in the drive it will do a full scan which can take a LONG time. Once that is successfully completed each subsequent attachment of the drive will do a quick scan looking for new files. On a large collection with a lot of files that might take 15 to 20 minutes. Make sure not to try and do anything with the Touch while its still scanning. A 15 or 20 minute wait on power up before one can play music pretty much makes the Touch rather useless as a stand alone server if the user wants USB drive powered off when he's not listening. I bought my Touch to use as a player for my existing Squeezebox music server system. It has worked quite well in that capacity (though it's had a few flaky moments that are reminiscent of the early Duet) so I'm pretty happy. However, out of curiosity, I gave the Touch stand alone server three solid tries with two different external USB drives and never did get satisfactory results. If I'd bought the Touch solely for use in that capacity, I'd be very disappointed - that option is way too erratic for me. Maybe the word is touchy -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78335 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Experiencing Touch for a couple of days
Paa;542748 Wrote: First, I have to say that I have a SB3, which has been working extremely well for the last years. It's certainly the best audio kit I have ever bought, and I had bought a lot. So I have been eagerly waiting for the Touch, especially because of the embedded server and 24/94 capability. Unfortunately, I have to say I'm having an horrible experience: - I have an external drive with 120GB of music (with its own power supply). The embedded server fails, I would say, 4 out of 5 times it tries to scan the drive. Most of the times it blocks for no obvious reason. No error messages, nothing I agree. The Touch - used as a player with an external server - works fine and gives superb audio quality. While I was able to successfully use the internal server with a 2GB flash drive, I've yet for it to fully scan my external USB drive with 46,000 songs without crashing (and I've tried 2 different drives.) The biggest frustration for me is that they delayed release four months to fix the internal server so that things would be perfect for the mass market consumer. Given the widespread problems with the internal server after that long delay, I'd sure hate to think just how persnickety Tiny SBS was last December! -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78211 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade Squeezebox Duet to Touch?
If nothing else, you might find that you can buy the Touch on sale and then turn around and sell the Receiver unit only from your Duet set and not have your out-of-pocket be all that much. Receivers are out-of-stock in the USA right now from new retailers. As such, used ones are going for a premium. Amazon has one listed used for $195 and the last one I saw sold on eBay last week went for over $200. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78128 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Scan experiences with the internal squeezebox server of the Touch (USB-HD)
While I'm very pleased with the performance of the Touch with my external music server (46,000 songs) I've not had a successful scan by the built-in server in three tries with two different copies of the external backup drives. The first scan ran 14 or 15 hours before I gave up. The next two tries seemed to scan through the drive in 4 or 5 hours only to have the internal server crash at the very end. (And yes, firmware is up to date.) I did try it with a 2 GB USB flash drive and it all worked very nicely. Since the Touch works extremely well for the purpose I bought it for, I'm pleased. However, I can't say I'm impressed with the Tiny SBS function, especially since this was the cause of the four month delay in product release. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77600 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
notec;538465 Wrote: After the disaster known as the Squeezebox Duet why would anyone get a Touch? To go thru the same troubles all over again? No thanks to the power of ten First, I have a Duet and it works fine. The initial software/firmware for the controller was a bit flaky but was fixed in subsequent versions. I haven't had any significant issues for quite some time. Second, the Touch's release was intentionally delayed to minimize those types of issues. I've had mine running in my system for 12 days now. Of course, no product ever made by any company is going to work perfectly for everyone. It is simply impossible for a computer products company to anticipate and test for every single possible variable in computers, operating systems software installation, wireless routers and so on. If you look back through the forum archives, you'll find people who had difficulty with the earliest Squeezebox models. Those who wish to pretend there were no issues with the SB Classic and prior models are simply choosing to remain willfully ignorant. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] And Now The Touch?
notec;538730 Wrote: Folks that claim they've never had issues with the duet either: 1) rarely use it 2) have it setup right next to their router 3) live in a dream world Good luck to all you Touch owners. You're gonna need it to remotely enjoy your music. I always find it interesting when someone I don't know tells me what my experience has been with a product. I guess my question is why are you still here? There are other players on the market. Why not sell yours on eBay or Audiogon, buy something else and move on? -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77701 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch analog vs. digital outputs
ralphpnj;537251 Wrote: What are the impressions of other Touch owners who have taken the time to make a similar comparison? Up until last week I ran a SB3/Lavry DA-10 combo as my main music source. The Touch arrived 9 days ago and I added it to my system. I synced it with the SB3/Lavry and level-matched it to the Touch's output. This made it very easy to switch between inputs and A/B one against the other. After a long weekend of extensive back and forth with a very eclectic range of material my conclusion was that the Lavry was ever, ever so slightly better but only when I concentrated on listening for differences. When I was playing music for listening enjoyment, I frequently found myself forgetting which player was feeding the amp at the moment - the Lavry or the analog outs of the Touch. To sum it up, I ended up selling my Lavry. I'm sure others will reach a different conclusion, but it works for me! -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77576 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch analog vs. digital outputs
ralphpnj;537251 Wrote: What are the impressions of other Touch owners who have taken the time to make a similar comparison? Up until last week I ran a SB3/Lavry DA-10 combo as my main music source. The Touch arrived 9 days ago and I added it to my system. I synced it with the SB3/Lavry and level-matched it to the Touch's output. This made it very easy to switch between inputs and A/B one against the other. After a long weekend of extensive back and forth with a very eclectic range of material my conclusion was that the Lavry was ever, ever so slightly better but only when I concentrated on listening for differences. When I was playing music for listening enjoyment, I frequently found myself forgetting which player was feeding the amp at the moment - the Lavry or the analog outs of the Touch. To sum it up, I ended up selling my Lavry. I'm sure others will reach a different conclusion, but it works for me! -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77576 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Logitech knocked it out of the park with the Touch!
maggior;536398 Wrote: I think Logitech made good use of the time they took to delay the release - they have a solid product here, even on it's initial release. I wish them lots of success with it. Hopefully they can get their distribution issues straightened out. As a point of clarification - I'm using it as a player and controller, not a server. I may do that at one point to tinker. There's the rub. The whole point of the delay was to get the Touch's built-in server working better. If you read though some of the other threads regarding painfully long scan times and outright crashes, it seems that work wasn't quite finished. I bought my Touch to use as a player with an existing server and that works great. However, I've done some tinkering with the built-in server. With a small thumb drive it worked very nicely. When I hooked up my main backup drive with 48,000 songs, it still hadn't finished a scan at 15 or 16 hours and it wouldn't play some material (M4A) that is supposed to be native. I'm a satisfied user because it does what I bought it to do, but it was sad to see reason for the delay - fixing the built-in server - still seems to have problems. I'm sure I'll tinker again, but I'm going to have to block out a good chunk of time where I don't want to play any music just to experiment. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77481 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
Merlinwerks;533696 Wrote: Out of curiosity, when you previously compared the analog out of the SB3 vs Lavry, did you conduct the test the same way as the comparison of the Lavry vs Touch? i.e. Level matched and with the ability to -instantly- switch between the two. Yes. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
Merlinwerks;533788 Wrote: Easy guys :) I was definitely not questioning the results, actually I'm not surprised by them. I just wanted to confirm that both tests (SB3 vs. Lavry and Lavry vs. Touch) were done the same way. I really believe that if more people had the ability to instantly compare two devices as opposed to relying on audio memory, there would be about half the number of audio companies that there are right now ;) Sorry. I was trying to be funny, not terse. That's a hazard with short posts - no way to include inflection or body language. ;-) -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
I let the USB drive run overnight and I don't think it ever did complete a scan. However, it did play any music that I selected through the folder directory (other than the iTunes material.) I umounted the drive from the Touch and checked it on my linux PC and it seems to be OK. I'm not sure what the story is about this. (A 2 GB flash drive with a selection of music on it mounted in a couple of minutes and seemed to behave as others indicated it should.) I don't think I'm going to spend anymore time on this issue right now. I'll just hang back and see what others experience over the next week or two. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
erland;533356 Wrote: I've only tried the analogue outputs, as I've understood there might be a bigger difference on the digital outputs as long as you feed them into a good DAC. I don't have an external DAC and the built-in one in my Sherwood RVD-9090 receiver isn't good enough to justify using the Touch with digital outputs. I've not done a A/B blind test with the analogue outputs, I've just compared the SB3 and Touch by switching the receiver inputs myself. I've used a SB3 with a Lavry DA10 DAC for the past couple of years as my primary music source. The Touch arrived Friday and I spent quite a bit of time the past couple of days listening to the Touch. I level-matched the SB3/Lavry output with the Touch and synced the two players. I was then able to switch between the two inputs for back-to-back comparison. The difference between the SB3 analog out and though the Lavry is quite noticeable to me (though I don't consider the SB3 analog bad - just rather pedestrian.) In comparing the Touch analog out to the SB3/Lavry, the difference is extremely subtle in my book. I have to strain to hear the difference. I am very impressed and will probably end up selling my Lavry. In audiophile-land, the Touch has no right to sound as good as it does for the price. ;-) However, I'm sure others will disagree with that thinking, but that's fine by me. When I have to strain to hear the difference between two pieces of equipment, that's a sign for me to let go of the issue and just enjoy the music. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
Gazjam;533451 Wrote: bloody hell.. I had heard the Touch sounded goodbut thats a great Dac its up against! Keep in mind that is just my opinion. While I love good music played on a fine stereo, I've never been one to chase that last fraction of [insert buzz word here]. I would probably give the Lavry first place based on my long experience, but frankly the differences are quite subtle in my book. Other people with different stereos, or who concentrate on different factors, could well reach a different opinion. Just to set a point of reference, I have very eclectic tastes in music but my personal reference point is how well a system handles the music of voice and acoustic instruments. I've got a fairly simple system where the source feeds an Image 65i tube amp (6550 outputs) to a pair of Spendor SP1/2E speakers. Nothing fancy, but I really enjoy the way it plays music. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How well does the Touch work?
mdconnelly;533473 Wrote: So... you mean you couldn't tell any difference between the Touch with Lavry DAC versus the Touch with analog outs? (earlier you said that the Lavry was quite an improvement when coupled with the Sb3 so I want to make sure I understand what you mean by 'with either source'). Thanks! Sorry I wasn't clear. Let me try again. 1. The Lavry sounds like the Lavry whether I'm using the SB3 or the Touch as the digital source for the DA-10. 2. As such, my original comments about the analog output of the Touch compared to the Lavry still stand. On day 3 of listening, things are still very, very close for me. I think the Lavry is ever so subtly better, but it is in the territory where I have to really work at it to notice. So, in that sense, the analog output of the Touch is definitively superior to the SB3. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77145 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch released or not?
paltomare;531898 Wrote: Just got my shipping confirmation too! I also just received a confirmation. Guess that moves me from the continues to be mystified column over to the stunned but still cautious one. We'll see what happens next week. ;-) -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76936 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Touch released or not?
Called Logitech Sales (1-800-231-7717) to inquire about the status of my preorder. The status indicator on the website shows my order is in-process - this is what it has shown for quite some time. When I reached Ben on the phone, he said the Touch has not been released and his sales manager says it won't be released until July. When I checked the Logitech web sales site earlier today, it showed the Touch was in-stock. When I looked at it while talking to Ben, it showed out-of-stock. I explained that MickyG, the program manager, just posted a release announcement for the Touch on the Slimdevices forum. Ben didn't believe me and he didn't particularly care what others at Logitech were saying. I can see the left hand still doesn't know what the right hand is up to. Why do I have this bad feeling that having pre-ordered a Touch may turn out to have only been a sure way to place one's self at the bottom of the list? Radio battery anyone? -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76936 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch released or not?
Well, released or not, I think I'm still in the I'll believe it when it arrives category ;-) -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76936 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why Purchase a Touch??
Though others have said this in a bit of a beat-around-the-bush way, one big attraction for me is the Squeezebox system makes it very easy to run multiple stereo systems off of one music source. Add a player to the network and that's that. I also find the sound is excellent and easily upgradeable if one wants to improve on the stock units I've had to date. I know playlist creation isn't quite as easy on the Squeezeboxserver as some other programs, but I can count the number of playlists I've created over the past 7 or 8 years of using a computer for music playback on one hand. When I sit down for serious listening I've only decided what I want to listen to at that moment. Yesterday's, last week's or last month's music choices aren't very relevant to me. I realize some people put together extensive playlists for parties and the like, but that's not particularly useful to me. So it is meaningless to me that some other programs make playlist creation easier. It'd be interesting to do a survey to map out users on a scale that runs from serious playlist creators to casual users to those like me who rarely use them. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76721 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] March Madness: Touch Release Pool
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76494 Question: March Madness Pool: When do you believe the Touch will be released? - April 15-30 2010 - May 1-15 2010 - May 16-31 2010 - Summer of 2010 - Fall of 2010 - Right before Christmas 2010 Ikabob;527787 Wrote: I will really start to believe when I see order in process-order in progress--order completed! Nah... I'm in the I'll believe it when it arrives camp. I've gotten pretty cynical with all of the changed dates and utter lack of communication. And then you add the recent Radio battery fiasco (the US web site is now letting you pre-order for April 12) and the continued unavailability of the Receiver Makes me want to get out my 3 Stooges DVDs and watch a few shorts. ;-) -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76494 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Unofficial official Release Date
Just received an email from Logitech today with a customer survey link asking how I liked my online shopping experience for the unit they've still not yet shipped. I especially enjoyed the question as to how I liked the product's packaging. Now that's just downright fascinating! They seem to have a natural instinct at this company for how to turn up the volume on the boneheaded move meter just when you thought it was about as high as it could go. Whew! -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73231 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
