Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Sb Touch Ethernet - Static IP with no router no longer works?
Hello, I have now got the Touch and Squeezeplug running once again without the router. After using the router in the middle I simply unplugged the router and connected them directly and it continued to work. Previously I was given the option on the SB Touch for it to assign an IP address to itself and this worked, now it doesn;t for some reason but entering one in manually does work. It would seem that once the router has given the Squeezeplug an IP address and either I (Or the Router) have given the Touch an IP address everything is fine as long as the Squeezeplug stays switched on as obviously reseting it does wipe that IP address. My squeezeplug is always on so this isn't an issue. The SB Touch can be switeched on and off but still connects fine after this. I have tried entering static IP info in the Squeezeplug setup as this was how it all worked previously but either I am entering something wrong or something has changed because it doesn't work for me. Anyhow it is probably a slightly incorrect way to arrive at where I wanted to be (SB Touch + Squeezeplug without a router) but I am there. Thanks, -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82810 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Sb Touch Ethernet - Static IP with no router no longer works?
Thats interesting. As far as I can tell I am doing things the same way I did before. Giving the Squeezeplug a static address and then telling the SB Touch to assign its own IP address. It worked no problems before but now I get a message about needing an internet connection or something. I shll try it again, perhaps it is just me. I will find out what the message says. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82810 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Sb Touch Ethernet - Static IP with no router no longer works?
thanks for that john. I was afraid that might be the case. For some reason whenever I tried the standard 7.5 installtion for the Sheevaplug the whole system ran very slow and did not feel stable. 7.6 however is so much quicker and smoother in the menus and scans. I thought that this might be that SQL Lite used in 7.6 was the reason for this. I did see someone else mention this same issue on the squeezeplug thread but I cannot find the post anymore and I don't think anybody commented on it. I was under the impression the the code had been actively changed to prevent use without a router for some reason. Shame anyway. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82810 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Sb Touch Ethernet - Static IP with no router no longer works?
Hello John, Thanks. It is 7.6.0 R9103 according to the general info section on the SB Touch. Is that where I find the version of the firmware? To be honest I get confused between the firmware version, software version of the Touch and the Sheevaplug. Are these all one and the same? I think it did after one of the automatic updates of the firmware on the Touch this stopped working. Was a while ago now but I have only just got round to trying to find out why an if I can go back to a previous version easily because it was running fine and I didn't need to use a router at all. Many thanks. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82810 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Sb Touch Ethernet - Static IP with no router no longer works?
Hello, For some reason I can now no longer use the SB Touch connected by ethernet cable to my Sheevaplug with static IP addresses. Worked fine before but I get an error message now. It works with a router in the equation. Has something been changed in the latest drivers? If so can I get back to a later version as I preferred running it without the router. Many thanks -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82810 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Sb Touch Screen Problem
Would anyone be so kind to comment on if it is feasible that the linear regulated power supply could have caused the screen to go on me? I have checked it for continuity and everything seems fine there although I guess it would damage more than just the screen if there was a problem with the wiring? I have checked the voltage with a multimeter and it show 5.05 volts. I am unsure how to check the current, would the Touch need to be running from the power supply to measure the current draw? The power supply has been getting warm but I have got holes in the roof of the enclosure for ventilation. The IEC socket I fitted has a 3 amp fuse and a switch so I have not been leaving it on when not in use as I wasn't sure ho hot it might get when left all day. I guess several folk might say just get rid as it is not worth using one anyhow but it seems a shame now it is built. Many thanks, -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81925 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Sb Touch Screen Problem
Could a problem with the power supply cause the screen to crap out? Or would that more likely stop everything from working on the SB Touch? It had been working fine for a couple of weeks. Thanks. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81925 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Sb Touch Screen Problem
I just turned the SB Touch on this morning and the screen is now staying inverted bright white and fuzzy with the white line through the middle. It still works but the screen appears to be shot. I hope Logitech will sort it out for me without too much hassle and waiting because it has been getting alot of use and I will sure miss it. If anyone has any experience of Logitech repairing / replacing products under warranty I would be grateful as it would put my mind at ease. Thanks. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81925 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Sb Touch Screen Problem
Hello, I didn't do any screen mods, I thought they were all hardware related? I did a reset and also deleted the two files (the digital only and the rcs.local) from soundchecks mod blog but these haven't had any effect. It does look very much like a hardware problem. Regarding power supply I have been using a linear regulated power supply (the same one shown pictured in that thread I think) for about 2-3 weeks without any problems. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81925 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Sb Touch Screen Problem
Hello, Thanks for your reply. No I just did the quick press of the reset button, I didn't actually know about holding it down for longer for a full factory reset but I shall try that also. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81925 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Sb Touch Screen Problem
Hello, I am gutted to say that I noticed a white line across the screen tonight on my SB Touch so I turned it off and then on again and the screen then went fuzzy and bright white almost like all of the colours were inverted like a negative. All the controls were still functioning. After 5 mins the screen then came back to normal but still with the thin white line across it. I guess it needs to go back as I bought it only in June but any thoughts woul be appreciated especially if anyone else has had the same experience? What could have caused this to happen? It has been fine before tonight. Many Thanks! -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81925 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Sheevaplug - How to Copy Files to attached HDD?
Hello, Yes I have read that and followed the instructions to enable Samba. I tried using WinSCP to access the Squeezeplug then navigated to the mounted USB drive and wa able to drag and drop any number of files from my computer onto the harddrive so I'm sorted now. It is a little slow but still worthwhile. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81761 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Sheevaplug - How to Copy Files to attached HDD?
Hello, I have been running my Touch with a Sheevaplug with an external USB harddrive attached, everything has been running very smoothly and I have been very pleased with the combination. Initially I was running with the Touch and the sheevaplug directly connected with static IP addresses but I have now plugged the sheevaplug into my wireless router and the Touch is accessing the squeezeplug wirelessly without any issues. There is one thing I have been struggling with and that is being able to copy new music files across from my computer to the the attached harddrive. I am able to do this via the webadmin filemanager module but I have to do one file at a time which isn't ideal. When I look at the network workgroup I can see the sheevaplug but when I open it I am asked for a user and password and the standard root - nosoup4u doesn't get me in even though that is the password for the webadmin and when using SSH. I guess there is a simple answer here but I am unsure how to login and see the harddrive. I have already enabled it in the samba files sharing section on webadmin as per the squeezeplug wiki page. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81761 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Are there any cheap options for a Better Touch Power Supply?
Thank you. Twisted sounds like the way to go. iPhone;570371 Wrote: Since its a DIY, you need a fuse for sure. But in my opinion you need a fast blow. At 3 amps on a small regulated supply, there shouldn't be any large inrush of current. Start with a fast blow. Should I include a fuse in the enclosure or would fitting a suitable fuse in the plug on the AC power chord suffice? Another possibly trivial thing I am unsure of is securely attaching the DC power connector to the dc power cable. What can I do to ensure that no strain is put on the solder join when unplugging and pluggin the cable into the touch? The DC connectors I found in Maplin do not have strain relief jackets with them. Many thanks -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79977 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Are there any cheap options for a Better Touch Power Supply?
Sorry Just spotted the link earlier in this thread it looks like it would do the job. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79977 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Are there any cheap options for a Better Touch Power Supply?
Many thanks again John. Phil Leigh;570300 Wrote: The DC connector is soldered and you should not use shielded cable - ordinary unshield twin-core will suffice. Anything that can take 5 amps would be fine. The mains should be hardwired with 5 amp 3-core flexible mains cable also. Alternatively you can use shielded mains cable (the shield of which is connected at the MAINS end ONLY. Is there a reason why the cable on the DC side should not be shielded? Would there be any benefit in using a shield which is connected to earth via the earth wire in the cable on the AC side? Many thanks. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79977 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Potential Newbie Sheevaplug Touch questions
Phil Leigh;570430 Wrote:
{sigh}
What is the rest of your system like?
I take it you think Its a waste of time?
- I am always interested in experimenting for myself. I am prepared to
accept there may be no change to performance. Many aspects of my setup
I have experimented with have given no increase in performance but on
the other hand sometimes I have been pleasantly surprised. I do prefer
to find out for myself in alot of cases as long as there isn't a large
outlay of cash involved.
For what it is worth I believe that my system is very good.
Thanks for the replies.
I think I will wire the sheevaplug to the router by standard cable or
the powerline method.
Thanks for the advice on IP addresses.
--
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Potential Newbie Sheevaplug Touch questions
Many thanks for all the replies and comments. My Orange wireless router is far away from my HiFi and hence this is the reason I wanted to avoid running a long cable from my Hifi to the router. Of course I could as suggested have the Sheevaplug next to the router and stream wirelessly and perhaps this would be fine, I haven't tried this but the main point of the excersise is to try soundchecks mods which include hardwiring the network connection. Once the sheevaplug is up and running hopefully I won't need to access it anyway, otherwise I will have to look at running the long network cable. I have ordered the Sheevaplug and hopefully the Wiki page and the downloaded SD Card image will proove easy to install and setup. On a related note I have read with interest the thread on powering down the Touch and the file systems ext2 and ext3. From what I have understood ext3 allows you to switch off the harddrive (as long as it is not being read or written to) and the data should not get corrupted. I realise that my windows XP based computer won't be able to format my HDD in ext3 format. Can anybody tell me how I can format my USB external 1TB HDD in ext3 format and then transfer my music back onto it? Is this possible and is it difficult? Many thanks!! -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81245 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Are there any cheap options for a Better Touch Power Supply?
I am still interested in trying a regulated linear power supply for myself and see that Farnell do this : http://uk.farnell.com/power-one/hb5-3-ovp-ag/psu-open-frame-5v-3a/dp/1208815 * PSU, OPEN FRAME, 5V, 3A * Power Supply Output Type:Fixed * No. of Outputs:1 * Output Voltage:5V * Output Current:3A * Power Rating:15W * Input Voltage Range:100V AC / 120V AC / 220V AC / 230V AC / 240V AC * Length:53.34mm * Width:101.6mm * Height:123.7mm * Approval Bodies:CE / CSA / TUV / UL * External Depth:53.34mm * External Length / Height:123.7mm * External Width:101.6mm * Max Operating Temperature:50°C * Max Supply Frequency:63Hz * Max Supply Voltage:240V * Min Supply Frequency:47Hz * Min Supply Voltage:100V * Min Temperature Operating:0°C * Mounting Type:Chassis * Output Type:Fixed * Power Supply Type:Linear * Supply Voltage:230V It looks to be the same as the one in post #24 of this thread by Amuata who is offering two of these units. I am thinking about giving it a whirl but I have a few simple questions if anyone can jump in. - This is obviously meant to be mounted inside another chassis as it is an open frame design, would any Maplins metal enclosure do? - What sort of cable should I use for the DC side? Should it be shielded? light gauge? I note the link earlier in the thread for the switchcraft connector, are these soldered? - Should the AC side involve a power cable that plugs into the power supply and if so what connector would be recommended? Or should the power cable into the power supply be hardwired. Many thanks! -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79977 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Are there any cheap options for a Better Touch Power Supply?
Phil Leigh;570300 Wrote: As for the case itself, If you use metal you must connect the case to mains earth via a nut/bolt, fitted with a suitable solder tag and star washer. Ventilation holes are required. If I was building this, I would add a ferrite to the DC cable (@ the Touch end) and also fit a mains filter across the mains inside the case, before the PSU and an LED indicator (with dropper resistor - 2-300 ohms should suffice) for power on. Many thanks for your reply! Could I use a plastic enclosure? It may be a little easier to work with if I need to make ventilation holes. I would be plugging the power supply into my Isotek Minisub GII mains filter so I guess I wouldn't need a mains filter inside the case? Thanks again! -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79977 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Are there any cheap options for a Better Touch Power Supply?
Thanks again for the replies. Yes I have read several posts stating that there is nothing to gain but I have also read posts where people have reported gains so I want to see for myself. It is also a nice small project as I am trying to learn more about the basics of power supplies. All my kit is grounded and there is an earth terminal on the Isotek unit. I do intend to use a shielded mains cable for the power supply. I think that a metal case is probably best given your advise. Is there any other components that I would need or any safety points that I should be aware of? I notice that some schematics inclde a slow blow fuse. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79977 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Potential Newbie Sheevaplug Touch questions
Many thanks john! Your answers lead me to another question if you or anyone else would be so kind. The sheevaplug does not have wireless networking built in so how do most people have it connected to their network? is the only option to hardwire it to a router? NewIT told me you could use a USB wireless adapter but I don't know how easy it is to set this up on the sheevaplug, especially for someone with little experience of networking. Of course this would mean unplugging the the external USB drive each time. I had hoped that I could run the sheevaplug with the external USB drive connected and a CAT6a cable connecting the sheevaplug to the SB Touch and then accessing the sheevaplug wirelessly in the same manner I access the SB Touch wirelessly at the moment. This would mean I would have to take the netwrok cable out of the touch and put it into my laptop everytime I wanted to access the sheevaplug from my computer. My Orange wireless router is quite far from where my HiFi and SBTouch is located. Any thoughts / advice greatly appreciated!! Many thanks! -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81245 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Potential Newbie Sheevaplug Touch questions
Hello, Many thanks for your reply. The reason for wanting to connect the SB Touch to the sheevaplug is to avoid the use of streaming audio over WIFI. I want to try the tweaks from Soundchecks blog which include not streaming via WIFI and instead harwiring the ethernet connection. Thanks for the comment on the USB wirelss adapter I think I shall rule that out. It does sound like the only way I would be able to access the sheevaplug is by unplugging the SBTouch from the sheevaplug and plugging the cable into my laptop. Regarding SATA I was thinking it would free up the USB port for use with a wireless USB adapter but I shall rule that out. My Toshiba HDD is a SATA drive in a USB enclosure. Thanks. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81245 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Potential Newbie Sheevaplug Touch questions
Many Thanks. I just looked at the powerline ethernet adapters. I didn't even know such things existed. Looks like a very nice solution. A quick ebay search seems to suggest the cost would be around £40 for a pair although this does put the cost of the whole project up and I'm begining to wonder whether its worth it. The main reasons for looking at the Sheeva box are to improve sound quality and prevent the odd glitches I get using the SB Touch in standalone mode. I did want to avoid having to run long network cables from my wireless router to my HiFi. I assume adding a second router would require this? The Guru plug Server Plus offered by NEWIT does appear to have wirelss built in and it is around the same price. Does anyone use the guru plug with the Touch and SBS? Is there a reason why it would be less suitable than the Sheevaplug? Would the wiki page on setup still be applicable to the Guruplug? http://www.newit.co.uk/shop/proddetail.php?prod=GuruPlug-ServerPlus I did ask NewIT but they said that they were out of stock at the moment. Many thanks for everyones help! -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81245 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Potential Newbie Sheevaplug Touch questions
Thanks. Yes I had read that it is a case of when and not if it goes bad. I just wondered do I lessen wear and tear by turning it off? Also am I leaving it open to more chance of corruption by it being permanantly on? Also from a power saving point of view I cannot tell if my drive sleeps or not, there are no settings or anything elese that I can find. If given the above there really is no point switching it off the I don't mind leaving the HDD on connected to the sheevaplug that is on and simply disconnecting the network cable when I need to access the sheevaplug. Once I have the settings sorted I wouldn't be intending to change anything just leaving it to run SBS. On another note, I just read someones post about the dodgy power supplys on the sheevaplug which is a bit concerning. Thanks. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81245 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Potential Newbie Sheevaplug Touch questions
Hello, I tried a couple of these questions in the third party hardware but I shall now try here. Payday is coming and I may go for it and purchase the Sheevaplug. If anyone can just help me better understand it by answering the following questions. Apologies if any of these are silly questions. 1.) To change the settings of the SBS software would I use another computer to access the sheevaplug and it would apppear in the same manner that it does if I was running it on that computer? i.e) all the same options and screens etc.? 2.) My Toshiba external HDD I am told is actually a Sata HDD inside a powered USB enclosure. Does this mean I can take it out and power it from the Sheevaplug which has a sata connector? 3.) Can functions like ejecting the harddrive (if I was using it as an external USB) be performed? At the moment I eject and switch off the HDD everytime I have finished with it. I am currently using the touch in standalone with the external HDD. Many thanks!! -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81245 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Recurring problems
I also own a powered external hard drive (Toshiba 1TB) and have now ripped around 250 albums Flac -0, in the last week I have had two of these loss of connection episodes. Previously everything had been running fine. I am a little concerned that it may become a more regular occurence. There appears to be no software or any settings regarding sleep mode for this harddrive and each time the problem has occurred after over an hour of listening and during listening to a track so I can't see why it should loose connection suddenly. I am prepared to accept the odd quirk, I saw before purchasing the setup that the odds were it wouldn't be a purely trouble free mode of operation. I do hope that it doesn't become a more regular problem. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80950 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch USB drive not visible on computer
This is a function that I would find very useful even if the connection is slow. I tried this when I first got my Touch and couldn't get it working, after seeing this thread I have tried again bearing in mind the advice given but for some reason I still cannot get the computer to ask me for the password and cannot see the touch or the attached HDD. When I try to open workgroup I get an error message and if I enter the IP address into the address bar of windows explorer I get nothing either. Sharing is enabled and I have been able to SSH into the Touch. The only tweak I have installed is the 100% volume patch. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78310 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch USB drive not visible on computer
Thanks for the reply. Yes I have checked and double checked and both options are enabled. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78310 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch + NAS advantages?
Thanks for sharing your experiences and views John. I will give the sheevaplug a whirl once funds allow. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80430 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch + NAS advantages?
mdm;562116 Wrote: Hi John, could you tell me where can I found instructions and what a big step up from running the internal server is? What benefits gives me a SheevaPlug against TinyServer? I use wav not flac format so the place of decoding is not vital. Tnks in advance. Mike. I am also interested in further info on the benefits here If anyone else has made the move from internal server to external, especially with the Sheeva plug, I would be very grateful for their feedback. Thanks.. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80430 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch + NAS advantages?
Hello and many thanks for your replies. I am using the SB Touch in standalone mode attached to a USB 1TB Toshiba external HDD. I go out the coaxial digital output to my DAC a Audio Synthesis Dax Decade. I believe that my system is revealing enough to show relatively small improvements in the SB Touch perfromance. The main reasons I mentioned the Sheeva plug that make it an attractive device to me are. - Looks to be reasonably priced - Small and unobtrusive - Quiet - There appears to be alot of helpful info on setting it up with SBS I would want to use my current HDD with the sheevaplug and just use my laptop to rip additional music as and when I buy it. I don't miss the use of the plugins and would only be interested in the Sheevaplug if it improves the sonic performance of the Touch by taking the processing away from the touch and performing it all on the sheevaplug. Perhaps as mentioned, the sonic benefits of an external server are not clear cut though and it may be a relatively pointless expense. I am still a little unclear as to whether it is possible to do the flac decoding on a sheevaplug, is this possible? Many thanks. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80430 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch + NAS advantages?
Hello, I have been looking at the Sheevaplug mentioned to me by a forum member in one of my older threads and although my SB Touch is working fine as a standalone at the moment (ripped 120 CDs so far) I wondered if there would be any sonic benefit to getting a NAS such as the sheevaplug in the future? Would I be able to do all the Flac decoding on the sheeva as recommended in soundchecks SB Touch Mods blog? Would I be able to do the other mods recommended in that blog? Many thanks! -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80430 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Are there any cheap options for a Better Touch Power Supply?
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProductR=2243962 3 pin regulated linear o/p PSU,5-24V 18W It looks like it only supplies 2A I thought that would not be enough? I am also still interested in any power supplies such as the one above that can be bought in the UK. I have had a look at the schematics posted earlier in this thread but for me personally I don't know enough to attempt building this. If anyone has any links for any power supplies I could get in the UK that would be suitable I would be very grateful. At a reasonable price I am prepared to have a shot and see if it changes anything. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79977 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch Initial Setup - Firmware
garym;560284 Wrote: But again, without the ability to access the internet and/or be attached to a local network, I just re-read your post and you mention the ability to be attached to a local network. This can still be done by using an ethernet cable between the SB Touch and the laptop regardless of the Touch seeing an internet connection? Sorry if I have misunderstood the post. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80279 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch Initial Setup - Firmware
Hello, A friend just bought an SB Tocu after my glowing review but is having real dificulties getting it to connect to mysqueezebox.com to get the firmware to even get the thing up and running. His laptop is connected to the internet via a mobile internet dongle. Should it still work with an ethernet cable plugged from the laptop to the SB Touch? I did see a post somewhere saying there was a way around this if you didn't have a network but I cannot find it at the moment. Is it possible to get around this without the SB Touch connecting to the internet? Could the files be downloaded onto the laptop and transferred? I'm guessing that may be a bit tricky even if it is possible. Many thanks -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80279 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Digital Output are users using Coaxial or Optical?
Hello, I wondered if anyone would like to share any views on which digital output (coaxial or Optical) they use on the Touch, if they use it as a digital transport, and if they have noticed any difference in performance? The Touch replaced a CD transport, in my system, that had a BNC connector, so I am using a cheap BNC to RCA adapter on the end of my BNC to BNC coaxial cable at the moment. Shame the Touch doesn't have BNC as I understand that RCA is never true 75 ohms. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80152 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Digital Output are users using Coaxial or Optical?
Thanks for the link. Have you tried the optical? Seems like most people use the coaxial. I could reterminate my existing cable with an RCA phono plug which I assume would be better than the cheap adapter. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80152 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Dummy Questions from a new SB Touch Owner
Hi, Yes it does sound like it isn't enabled but I keep checking it and it is enabled. What needs to be running, just to make sure I am not missing something? The Touch is on and connected to my network. The Touch has been a little quirky, especially on the patch installer which at first when I selected it doesn't do anything then it worked and I got the 100% fixed volume patch and now it doesn't do anything again. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Using digital output only, should I go for the Touch or spend $1000 on a Transporter
For what its worth I will chuck my opnion in on the digital output of the Touch. I haven't compared it with the transporter but it is head and shoulders above my CD transport. The transparency I am getting from my system now is incredible. The sound is much more liquid and smooth. Vocals that were previously a bit harsh and had sibilancehave really benefited and are much smoother and easier to listen to. The only thing I am unsure of so far is the pin pointing of instruments on the soundstage within the mix seems a touch more smeared but I haven't yet gone back to my CD transport to verify that I am just imagining this. My touch has had less than ten hours play so far so if it improves any more that would be fantastic. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80128 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Dummy Questions from a new SB Touch Owner
Hello thanks once again for your replies. I tried typing the following into the run box from the start menu \\192.168.1.30 this is the address given by the touch. I get the error message \\192.168.1.30 the network path was not found I have managed to use WINSCP to access the files on the touch and have loaded the modded file to disable analogue output. Is there anything else I can check? Many thanks -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Dummy Questions from a new SB Touch Owner
Many thanks for all that info. Yes I was going to do alot more research before changing anything on the SB Touch but I just wanted to see that I could connect to it. Regarding the two options, I have enabled them and the problem is probably just the fact that I didn't enter root as the username. I shall have to try it tonight. I did find workgroup but it wouldn't let me open it, I can't remember the message I shall have another try tonight. Many thanks! -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Dummy Questions from a new SB Touch Owner
Hi, Thanks for the replies. I shall have a look when I get home now I have been pointed in the right direction. Yes I am under windows XP, sorry forgot to mention that detail. I was only going to try switching off the analogue output (I just use the digital) out of Soundchecks tweaks as I did get the impression most of them would disable things that I need for using the internal server with external HDD. Cheers. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Dummy Questions from a new SB Touch Owner
Hello, I have just downloaded PUTTY and put in the address as 192.168.1.30 Then when it asks login as i enter squeezebox (as per what it says for the sharing account) then I enter the password 1234. The cursor doesn't move at thispoint but I assume that this is normal. Anyhow I get access denied as below: squeezebox squeeze...@192.168.1.30's password: Access denied squeeze...@192.168.1.30's password: I have also tried in firefox internet explorer entering \\Squeezeboxtouch\media-sdb1 into the address bar but I get problem loading the page. I have double checked that SSH is enabled and sharing the device is enabled on the touch. I am probably being an idiot somewhere, but where am I going wrong? Cheers -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Dummy Questions from a new SB Touch Owner
Further to my last message I have connected to mysqueezebox.com and can see the player connected. I have also changed some settings via the server settings (player tab). I still cannot see the SB Touch from my laptop when looking at the network and I cannot SSH into the touch as posted above. Cheers -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
Hello silvermilnec, To answer your question on how I am getting on with the touch... I found it easy to get setup and did so without any problems. I have started ripping my CDs using EAC which is taking a long time per CD but I think it is worth it. I Have only done around 15 albums so far and have ripped in FLAC level 0 as I thought this would give the Touch CPU the easiest time decoding and I think I should be fine for space. So far so good, no problems connecting. The only thing I can't really get my head around is accessing the touch from my computer to move new music to the attached harddrive. As for sound quality, into my DAC it sounds amazing. A real step up from my TEAC CD transport. I guess this is partly due to the SB Touch and partly the use of EAC. For sound quality alone I am blown away. Very smooth! -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Are there any cheap options for a Better Touch Power Supply?
Hello, I am still waiting on delivery of my Squeezebox Touch which I plan to use with an External HDD (fingers crossed) digital out into my Dax Decade DAC. I have read with great interest soundchecks blog on upgrades along with many other posts about upgrades to the Touch and the older Squeezebox products. In many of posts about the older Squeezebox products there is a recommendation to change the switching power supply for something better. I realise there are options out there by Welbourne Labs, Boulder and others which are very much outside of my budget but are there any cheap options that I could look at? I have read that a $10 power supply was recommended for the old Squeezebox 3 as an improvement over the stock one. Is there anything similar that can be recommended for the Touch? I live in the UK and only have a very basic understanding of electronics. Any links would be fantastic and I am sure of use to many others who may be wondering about the options. Many thanks -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79977 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Are there any cheap options for a Better Touch Power Supply?
Thanks for all the replies. I think I shall stick with the stock PSU until a later date when I may look into building one although I may struggle as I only have basic soldering skills and a very basic knowledge of electronics. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79977 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Just got my SB Touch - Initial Impressions Questions
Hello, I have just taken delivery today of my SB Touch after gleaming alot of information from this forum so I thought I would post some initial impressions up. I am using it without a computer, with a Toshiba 1TB External USB Harddrive and am using the digital output into my DAC. I have a reasonably large CD collection that is not yet ripped but in preperation for the SB Touch I had already ripped around 12 albums using EAC onto the Toshiba HDD. I ripped to Flac using level zero compression. - The initial setup of the Touch was easy and everything worked as it should, it connected to my internet connection and updated the firmware without issue. - When I connected the external HDD the Touch found the albums I had ripped without issue (Only 12 I know but its a start). - The sound is fantastic, it really has changed the overall sound of my system. I was using an old TEAC VRDS T1 with a clock upgrade and I didn't really expect it to be much better, but it is much more enjoyable to listen to. More natural, easier to listen to, more effortless, clearer. Some albums that are very well known to me suddenly revealed subtle details I hadn't noticed. I even found that certain tracks I had previously considered to sound a little harsh on the ear at the top end, have now lost some of their hard, harsh edge. I just hope that it will continue to work once there are many more albums ripped. - One thing that I couldn't work out was how to fix the volume at 100%. I saw a post explaining how to do it on here but I couldn't see the patch for the 100% volume fix. I installed the patch installer but still couldn't see the patch then oddly found I can no longer view available patches, the menu just doesn't open anymore when I touch to select it. I found two other Apps relating to fixing the volume control on the web view of the software but these did not seem to do anything and I couldn't find where to access settings for them. Anyhow, so far so good. I just need to get my head around the Apps / Patches and how to use a computer to access files on the SB Touch and the external HDD attached to the Touch. Cheers. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80001 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
Thanks. Does the file format FAT32 or NTFS make a difference to the Touch in terms of ease of access? I am tempted to rip the Flac files at 0 if this helps the Touch decode the Flacs more easily. I have read conflicting reports on this all over the web some say the decoding is nearly the same for all levels, some say 0-2 is better for ease of decoding. I read a report where a user claimed that anything above 0 intruduced jitter caused by the CPU having to work harder. I guess the NAS is something for the future if I run into problems. I really want to avoid having the computer on if it is possible. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
Thanks again for those recommendations. The SheevaPlug looks very interesting and not too expesnive either. Maybe one for the future. Yes I did take the jitter comments with a pinch of salt but was interested in hearing any further thoughts on compression levels and how this affects decoding. I haven't yet received my Toshiba 1TB external USB drive yet but does anyone know if it is a standard feature for all modern drives that the sleep modes can be adjusted or turned off? If the sleep mode causes issues with playback as some have reported I hope this is user adjustable on the drive I have bought. Thanks. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
Hello all, Many many thanks for all of your replies, I am fairly new to using FLAC files and was unaware there were different levels of compression. Is 5 an average level that won't put too much strain on the processor of the Touch? Would a lower level give me a better chance of smooth operation? I have not noticed controls to adjust sleep times for external hard drives I have used in the past, does anyone know if this is a standard option for all external hard drives? I am wondering whether I will be able to disable or adjust this on the Toshiba I have ordered. Flac is definitely what I shall use given the advice received here and I shall rip with EAC using MP3tag to tag the files. I won't bother with any artwork and shall try and keep everything neat and simple to give the Touch the best chance of smooth operation. Fingers crossed it will work as the external USB drive option is the most attractive feature and the main reason for this purchase. Cheers. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
Many thanks for all the really useful information an tips. Can't wait to get the touch, I am pretty determined to get it to work for me. One other factor which occurred to me is the hard drive format, will this affect performance FAT32 or NTFS? The Toshiba I ordered is FAT32. Should I leave it or reformat? I think there is a 4GB file limit per file on FAT32. I may be jumping the gun a bit here but would using the Touch with a NAS be a much smoother and more stable option with a large library? The reason I ask is that I have just read that the external Toshiba USB HDD that I have just purchased ( http://www.ebuyer.com/product/145041 ) is actually a Western Digital WD10EAVS Sata 1TB drive in a toshiba enclosure. Does that mean that I could put this drive into a NAS enclosure at a later date for the fully functional and presumably more stable SB software running from the NAS rather than TinySC? I don't know much about NAS drives and whether or not they are easy to set up with the touch but I have seen a couple of NAS enclosures for around £50 in the UK. ( http://www.amazon.co.uk/Arkara-Gigalan-Entry-SingleBay-Enclosure/dp/B00375MXN2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1277242080sr=8-1 ) Would this Arkara Gigalan Entry Level SingleBay NAS Enclosure (or something similar in price) run the SB software and take my Toshiba Sata 1TB drive? Many thanks! Sorry the above question is a bit off my original topic. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
Hello all, After spending hours and hours reading reviews and forum posts on the Squeezebox touch, I have today bitten the bullet and ordered one. I have also ordered a 1TB external HDD as I intend (like many others) to attempt to use the Touch without a computer (except to rip my CD collection). I am of course very worried about about the many user reports of problems when using an external USB HDD, and admit that I have placed the order against my better judgement given the posts I have read. I am crossing my fingers that it will work, as it is exactly what I am looking for if it will work in this way. I really don't want to have the computer involved with my HiFi, apart from the initial ripping of CD albums. My main question is this: If I can fit my CD collection (or the majority of it) onto my HDD in Wav uncompressed format rather than FLAC will this reduce the strain on the Touch being used as a server and hence decrease my chances of running into issues with buffering, dropouts etc.? My CD collection is very roughly around 800 albums. I don't intend to use the album artwork feature and 99% of the files will be CD quality as my external DAC can't handle high def files, though I may get a few just to see how they sound through the Touch's DAC. The HDD won't be used for storing anything else apart from music for the Touch. The HDD I have ordered is : Toshiba StorE Alu 1TB External Hard Drive USB 2.0 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/145041 It runs from it's own power adapter which I realise is one possible problem area. If anyone has any comments on this external hard drives suitability also that would be great! Many thanks in advance for your time and comments -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
Hello, Thanks for the reply. I am just getting my head around all of this. So lossless FLAC poses no greater stress on the Touch and TinySC than an uncompressed WAV? I thought that as it had to uncompress the FLAC file this ate up processing power. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
Many thanks Garym, It is not the quality of the playback that I am worried about at this moment but more the user reported issues when using an external hard disk with the touch. I have read many posts where larger libraries put too much strain on the Touch and TinySC causing dropouts, stutters, misreads, endless scans etc. I wondered if ripping in WAV would help with the Touch's underpowered processing capacity, especially with larger libraries. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
