Well, maybe, but once again, I might point out I bought four records
this weekend. 3 of the records, I have MP3s of the albums I bought, and
have been searching for the record. The fourth is an artist I
discovered in part by checking out his MP3s.
I also discovered The Sea Cake through mp3s
Well you're one of the more serious ones, and many do buy, but the majority
don't. The whole culture of obtaining music has changed. Whether it's good
or bad... it's the reality. I know that I often get asked to burn things for
friends as they know I have bought the records, but I don't have a
hmmm..i think a hard part for me personally is
knowing the mark up price. When I go to buy a CD it
pains me because i know how much that cd cost to
produce and then i know how it all gets divided after
that. It's a big reason why I *really* try to buy
music from independently owned stores.
All signs are pointing toward Jay Patrick Ahern = The Aquarian
He recorded under the name Aquarhythms and both Carl Craig, Morgan Geist,
and Rabbit in the Moon did remixes of his tracks. Carl Rabbit in the Moon
did Heart Sequences did and Morgan did Reversion (both on Astralwerks)
The
does anyone use software to keep track of their CD or record library?
I've been using Spinfree's Audiofile - but they stopped selling it and the
Audiofile Internet Companion (AIC) that allows you to auto search the
internet for the CD info (CDDB)
our AIC went a bit bad so now I have to enter
dubtribe sound system also did a remix of 'deep in the feeling' that was on
the A-side of that Astralwerks 12.
Aquarhythms was never really the artist name. It was the label's name,
however for the Astralwerks compilation, it was all condensed under the one
name.
Mr. Ahern is now living in
records for sale...
rob hood-satellite-hardwax ($4)
advent-sound sketches-tresor 106 ($6)
psi performer-art is a division of pain (scorn/karl 'o
connor/tony child rmxs)-k2o ($6)
ian pooley-celtic cross rmxs (dan curtin, dj sneak
rmxs)-force inc. ($9)
spicelab (oliver lieb)-melbourne connection
Problem is there's f*ck all in itthat place is like a ghost town.
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From: mkb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:39 PM
Subject: (313) Re: 313 Digest 22 Sep 2003 02:43:02 - Issue 1787
Satellite does in fact have
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So folks, what's hot?
I quite like that new Kevin Saunderson record on Ante Zenit...classic KMS,
and a great party record it's $16 though.
KEVIN SAUNDERSON - Ante 17
[ZENIT, ANTEZENIT17, GERM \ Format: 12]
Other than the new Submerge releases, the following are doing it for me:
K-Led Tomorrow In The Morning 2x12 (Force Inc. Germany) -- pure sweet
Detroit techno!
Arne Weinberg Cupola EP (Keynote/ Groundzero Netherlands) -- pumpin'
melodic Detroit techno!
Scape One The Future ... It Will Never Be The
Morning all 3 and 1/3rds,
First of all many thanks to all those that are supporting:
http://www.littledetroit.net/forums/
There's plenty of action going on on the boards and it really does have an
international feel. Please continue to post up gig/happenings and news so
the world can get a
thanks very much to everyone who recommended records to check out, much
appreciated.
I like the sound of the clips on the delsin website of the 'starfighterz'
release, that sounds like something I'll like. says it's out soon too.
did anyone check out the omoa party in detroit last night? seemed
Yhhh... Just picked up 6 of the streetsound electro comps on vinyl for
£3 a pop from classifieds at work. Im so happy...
Rav.
so, this has possibly been done to death but I'm quite interested to know
what people think of these limited releases.
I mean, both of 'em so far have been very very nice. I don't have the rob
hood one yet, but I had a listen to a friends.
so is it a rip-off? I guess I feel a little aggreived at
i was actually going to start a post regarding the rising prices of new
records...
i bought them because a, they are actually quite good, b, i know i can
always sell them on ebay , c i am a vinyl junkie and i learned a lesson
along time ago to buy things when they come out or you will end up
they make the same amount on selling 400 directly at this silly price as
they do selling 3000 12 through the distributors and shops .
why cant they sell LTD 12'sat decent price? because they wouldnt make any
MONEY
money money money
Vinyl Underground
c/o Watts
80 Abington Street
Northampton ,
i was actually going to start a post regarding the rising prices of new
records...
Hmm, yes good point. I reckon we're all going to have to dig a little
deeper in our pockets if we want the small independants to survive.
I was costing up getting some records pressed the other week (only 500),
well, f**k me, is that you adrian?
this is BAZ!!
you fancy that Carl Craig/Amp Fiddler Electric Chair do up this end or
what??
they make the same amount on selling 400 directly at this silly price as
they do selling 3000 12 through the distributors and shops .
why cant they sell LTD 12'sat
That's true - the mark-up on 400 records at that price would be about £14 -
take away £1 for postage and admin etc, they'd still make about £5000 for
selling through all copies, which they will undoubtedly do. Split between
the label and the artist, it's still a pretty hefty cut, much more than
i was actually going to start a post regarding the rising prices of new
records...
Hmm, yes good point. I reckon we're all going to have to dig a little
deeper in our pockets if we want the small independants to survive.
i don't believe now is the time for labels to start
live. He sold a collection of over 500 records. now,
if his little mac goes belly up he's possibly up a
sh*ts creek, but he's happy with it. so be it.
Not taking any particular side on this (too complex) but that is *not* a
great deal of vinyl when compared to collections of many more who are
i don't believe now is the time for labels to start increasing the cost
of vinyl
you're right. thing is, how are they/we going to survive otherwise? e.g. if
you press 500, you got to sell them all to break even. and that ain't going
to happen because you need to send some out etc...
hmm.
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Subject: RE: (313) peacefrog
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:01:05 -
From: BakerBA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'robin' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thee max I will pay for vinyl is around $10 US. With production costs and
manufacturing I do feel that leaves the artist to make
i don't believe now is the time for labels to start increasing the cost
of vinyl
you're right. thing is, how are they/we going to survive otherwise? e.g. if
you press 500, you got to sell them all to break even. and that ain't going
to happen because you need to send some out etc...
the expectation for an artist to _have_ to get a job is unrealistic IMO
(many do i know but that is not the point)
.the logical thing then is to make your name known as a dj and earn
that way..the exact opposite of the above surely.
Not really Robin - nowadays and for (I would contend)
anyway, i don't really have an answer...
well me either, but here's a good 'un...
12's sales decline rapidly (for about 20 different reasons), your record
label has relied in the past on them to make a few quid to keep going.
so, a record that used to sell, say, 3000, now does 1000.
bit of
Odeluga, Ken wrote:
the expectation for an artist to _have_ to get a job is unrealistic IMO
(many do i know but that is not the point)
.the logical thing then is to make your name known as a dj and earn
that way..the exact opposite of the above surely.
Not really Robin -
Not taking any particular side on this (too complex)
but that is *not* a
great deal of vinyl when compared to collections of
many more who are
serious abt playing out.
k
just out of curiousity, what does the size of a
collection have to do with how serious someone is
about playing out?
i'm not sure if freedom should allow for the unregulated trade in the
intellectual property of others without their permission. This influences
the incentive and the ability to create.
i think that at this time, if composers and labels wanted you to have their
music for free, they would offer
sonic groove on carmine (not far form nyu)
vinly mania on carmine
dancetracks on 1st and 3rd(?)
rock n soul near macys, 462 7th ave
james
From: Thomas I Ainslie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 13:22:48 -0500
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) fantastic vinyl in NYC?
hello all,
Nice subject line Diana - although personally, I don't like to boast! ;-)
Actually, pls note I did say:
...when compared to many.
It's just a statement of fact, no aspersion on anyone's ability as a dj
intended.
Peace,
k
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From: diana potts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Strings Of LifeRythym Is Rythymbootleg Danny Krivit editIbadan?
noticed this in a francois k setlist for deepspace. is this released?
james
Strings Of LifeRythym Is Rythymbootleg Danny Krivit editIbadan?
noticed this in a francois k setlist for deepspace. is this released?
It's coming out on London's new WhistleBump label very soon...
http://www.whistlebump.co.uk/
Cheers,
Tom
Matt Chester wrote:
That's true - the mark-up on 400 records at that price would be about £14 -
take away £1 for postage and admin etc, they'd still make about £5000 for
selling through all copies, which they will undoubtedly do. Split between
the label and the artist, it's still a pretty
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From: O.L. From The Basement [EMAIL PROTECTED]
K-Led Tomorrow In The Morning 2x12 (Force Inc. Germany) -- pure sweet
Detroit techno!
I'll second that!! Excellent LP
Btw...thanks for pointing out the new Jacek, hadn't seen that as yet:)
Lates,
m*
Of course that's true - the amount of money we are talking about is pitiful
if you view it as an income - but if it's money that drives you, then
Detroit Techno and the like is not, and never will be, the place to find it.
If you want to make money from music, then you have to have a product that
Perfect Point! If you are making records to save for your kids college
fund in the future. Its not going to happen. This business has to be
from the heart.
tb
Tim Baker c/o
***
Real Estate - Elephanthaus Records
2544 W. North Ave. Suite 2B
Chicago, IL 60647
i think that dance music would be the perfect money maker for itunes. as
dj'ing moves away from vinyl, even those who are ideologically predisposed
to pay loot for tracks will find it a time-suck to continually buy tracks
then transform them to mp3. at a buck a pop, who'd fight it?
lks
This business has to be from the heart
yes, agreed.
also agreed is Greg's point re making a living.
but what worries me is that the average pikey off the street can't release
his experimental music via vinyl very easily any more. I mean, finding
£800/£900 ain't easy when you earn barely enough
a little more then 1000 euro should be enough to put out 500 records
incl. promotion, promo postage etc
and when you sell everything there's 400 euro profit
that's life!
:-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:32 PM
Im surprised that noone has mentioned the price for Ugly Edit 5 and signed
Mahogani 2 @ Submerge - $50 and $75 respectively.
I could understand a serious collector paying the extra for a signed KDJ but
the Theo one doesnt look any different to the ones that Rushhour are selling as
far as I can
I definitely see your point Alex, it would be very cool if releasing could
at the very least be self sufficient! However, I can't really see the scene
suffering because of it, simply because this is the way it's always been -
if fact in the past it took a hell of a lot more capital input to
I definitely see your point Alex, it would be very cool if releasing could
at the very least be self sufficient! However, I can't really see the
scene
suffering because of it, simply because this is the way it's always been
OK, agreed!
I'm just moaning because I'm feeling sorry for myself
I was thinking along that lines too, but in this case apple and their itunes
music store are still a middle man in as much as a record label or
distributor is a middle man. the artist who sells their wares through iTMS
still only recieves a cut of the .99 cents per track just as they only
receive
There are a couple of stores tooling up to sell MP3s through their on-line
shops
More info when I'm 'allowed' to share it.
Lates,
m*
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From: jonathan morse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, October
new mix from phrenic recorded on 2 busted a**
turntables:
http://downlowmusic.org/Mp3s/Phrenic%20-%20deep%20n%20raw%20jerkin%20mix.mp3
phrenic deep n raw jerkin' mix tracklisting
1. andres - salvador de bahia - mahogani
2. dan bell - the wild life - elevate special projects
3. 3 chairs - all
see, what will happen if we go down that route is that these MP3s will
just go straight onto p2p and the label/shop/outlet
will make no money.
so the logical next step is what M$ are doing with digital rights
management which is a way of stopping you using a computer for what you
want to do
you lucky b*gger! I only have 3, 5 and the UK one they did :(
-Original Message-
From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 23 September 2003 10:31
To: '313'
Subject: (313) Streetsounds
Yhhh... Just picked up 6 of the streetsound electro comps on vinyl for
£3 a pop
Hey MG
Where's the Gil Scott Heron sample from 29 mins_ish (track 8 perhaps). Some
accapella poem ??
Very appropiate at this time
Many Thanks
Rav
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From: Minto George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 23 September 2003 15:16
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313)
see, what will happen if we go down that route is that these MP3s will
just go straight onto p2p and the label/shop/outlet
will make no money.
so the logical next step is what M$ are doing with digital rights
management which is a way of stopping you using a computer for what you
want to do
We've pretty much finalised the lineup for the October 11th 313 party at Public
Life in London.
Remember, everyone on 313 gets in free; the party runs from 8pm to 2am (or
possibly later!); the cover charge for outsiders is £2; and Public Life is at
82a Commercial Street in London, near
If artists/labels start selling music online by themselves, on their one web
page, how are you going to find it?
It would work for establish artists/labels, because people would be
searching for their music, but lets say someone totally new appears. He
set's up a web page, puts his music online,
Shitkatapult label
I absolutely love that name - and the logo is just as funny
Matt Chester wrote:
I think the main reason for a small slump in
sales is pretty much due to the huge increase in artists clamouring for
attention, and most of them only exist now because of the relative ease of
them setting up their own labels and putting out their own records.
A major
OK, my brain isn't exactly firing on all cylinders today and so my list didn't
include a particular 313er who *should* have been included... a Mr Ken Odeluga!
So here's the updated lineup:
Ken Odeluga (Bleep43)
Brendan Nelson (Lunar Selector, WIDE)
Guy Thackeray (WIDE)
Rohan Thurairatnam
diana potts wrote:
I always had a problem
with certain American producers putting their records
through Europe so they could get the import markup.
grrr. but that's another subject.
You have to remember, that they may be putting it out through Europe, as
they may have
a mfg distribution
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The only way artists can get around that is to form collectives which gives
them more people power and certain rolls can be divided up. What has been
working within the indie rock world is smaller labels joining forces and
creating their own distribution network. It
Ditto. Though I'll admit that Violent Turd is still my fav. fecal based
label.
Logo: http://img.discogs.com/L/6449-001.jpg
Discography: http://www.discogs.com/label/Violent_Turd
Shitkatapult label
I absolutely love that name - and the logo is just as funny
--
Allen Goodman
[EMAIL
Exactly, and does anyone know financially how they are doing?
seems like they keep going from strength to strength
there needs to be more like them - I'm sure there are - any other examples?
MEK
Mhmm, narce - I'll delurk for that one. ; )
Cheers,
Anya
Message date : Sep 23 2003, 04:32 PM
From : Brendan Nelson
To : 313@hyperreal.org
Copy to :
Subject : (313) 313 London party - updated lineup
OK, my brain isn't exactly firing on all cylinders today and so my list didn't
include a
HELP! I have a friend from Brasil who is leaving within a week that wants
to go and hear some good house or techno. I haven't had time to go out for
months because of school (and the fact that I live in East Lansing because
MSU just HAS to be in the middle of the state) and work, so if anyone
motor reunion on friday.
paxahau 5 anv. party on saturday
but you may not have to goto the D
if you like dj micro he will be at the temple in lansing on saturday
dj ruckus will be there and imo why more interesting then micro, and steve is a
way cool guy. plays some great hip-hop.
goto the
This will be sweet
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 4:33 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) 313 London party - updated lineup
Mhmm, narce - I'll delurk for that one. ; )
Cheers,
Anya
Message date : Sep 23
already mentioned, but:
-
friday night 9/26, at the old motor space:
www.motorreunion.com/mr.aspx
green velvet, terrance parker, aphrodite, and stacey
pullen.
-
-Joe
motor reunion on friday.
paxahau 5 anv. party on saturday
but you may not have to goto the D
if you
on the info page, www.motorreunion.com/mr.aspx there is
talk of renovations and whatnot...
whats this all about? last I heard, the building was going
to be sold and poof, no more motor or events at that space.
now they are renovating it, which could be just general
structural renovation, but
Besides the $25 Motor reunion on Friday night, there is also a
Detroitluv.com bandwidth party:
http://www.detroitluv.com/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=10130
There is also a going away party for Christian Bloch, Mike Perry, and their
respective women ;)
Has anyone heard this yet?
World Wide Underground is the closest thing to a Moodymann album on a major,
all jazzy grooves, quite avant garde. The single Danger is not at all
representative (I actually thought it was very Neptunes like, a bit
derivative for Ms Badu). It's really brave putting this
I think that's a compelling point.
But the mark up price comes from all the middle people involved in getting
that CD, the distributors, the stores. I guess they want their income too,
rightly or wrongly.
Often the indie stores are more expensive though as they're not buying
things in bulk, but I
I think there's a sense that DJs who have good records and labels to their
name have one up on DJs who don't as they have more of a 'name' and are
considered more viable than promoters.
In turn DJing promotes the labels/records.
I think you'd win that bet, Lester.
--
From: Lester Kenyatta
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