Re: [AFMUG] PTP-800 56mhz channel width?

2015-10-29 Thread Hardy, Tim
AFAIK, ODU-A does not support this but ODU-B does. The actual occupied bandwidth is 52.8 MHz. You would have to re-coordinate and license this before making the change. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 9:05 AM To: af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Alphabet's Wi-Fi beaming balloons prepare to lift off in Indonesia - CNET

2015-10-29 Thread Gino Villarini
is not tethered On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: > Because what could go wrong with a balloon tethered to the ground? > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> >>

[AFMUG] Epmp APs blowing Eth ports everywhere! is this a know issue?

2015-10-29 Thread Gino Villarini
Having lost of trouble with Epmp APs Blowing Eth ports during storms... other equipment on towers are unaffected! Is this a known issue? Poor protection involved...??? Its getting ridiculous!

Re: [AFMUG] PCI compliance and managed router

2015-10-29 Thread Paul Stewart
You cannot store the credit card data in clear text at all – it has to be in some form of encryption (which can be reversible for internal re-usage). There are different levels to PCI compliance .. all of them are a PITA Someone mentioned the $1k/annual McAfee option – that’s a really

Re: [AFMUG] Alphabet's Wi-Fi beaming balloons prepare to lift off in Indonesia - CNET

2015-10-29 Thread Ken Hohhof
Is it an antenna support structure? Be sure to do a Section 106 review and submit your FCC Form 620. From: Cameron Crum Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 8:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alphabet's Wi-Fi beaming balloons prepare to lift off in Indonesia - CNET Because what

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp APs blowing Eth ports everywhere! is this a know issue?

2015-10-29 Thread Mike Hammett
I've had two go, but they were both early units. I'm not sure I've had any sync ones lose it since then. I haven't lost any non-sync ones. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini"

Re: [AFMUG] PCI compliance and managed router

2015-10-29 Thread Chris Fabien
If the issue is the open winbox port on the router, you could firewall it to only allow traffic in frok your office or management network. So it would appear closed to resr of internet but srill give you access. Or set up a private management IP. On Oct 28, 2015 2:54 PM, "Ken Hohhof"

[AFMUG] PTP-800 56mhz channel width?

2015-10-29 Thread Josh Baird
We have a PTP-800 in 11ghz (ODU-A) that is only capable of a maximum 40mhz channel width. I know that at least one model of the PTP-800 (ODU-B maybe) had a software/firmware upgrade that it allowed it to use a 56mhz channel. Does anyone know if the ODU-A model is capable of running in a 56mhz

Re: [AFMUG] PTP-800 56mhz channel width?

2015-10-29 Thread Josh Baird
Argh, ok, thanks! Yeah, I'm aware that it would need to be re-licensed. On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Hardy, Tim wrote: > AFAIK, ODU-A does not support this but ODU-B does. The actual occupied > bandwidth is 52.8 MHz. You would have to re-coordinate and license this

[AFMUG] Alphabet's Wi-Fi beaming balloons prepare to lift off in Indonesia - CNET

2015-10-29 Thread Jaime Solorza
http://www.cnet.com/news/google-alphabet-project-loon-indonesia/?google_editors_picks=true Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Alphabet's Wi-Fi beaming balloons prepare to lift off in Indonesia - CNET

2015-10-29 Thread Cameron Crum
Because what could go wrong with a balloon tethered to the ground? On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > > http://www.cnet.com/news/google-alphabet-project-loon-indonesia/?google_editors_picks=true > > Jaime Solorza >

Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV

2015-10-29 Thread Chuck McCown
Right, it electrically bonds the pairs for powering. That will not work for a 430 and a few others. -Original Message- From: Matt Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 5:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV You want the GigE-APC-HV because it will work with everything.

Re: [AFMUG] PCI compliance and managed router

2015-10-29 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 10/28/15 6:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: If the non-compliance fee is $20/month, I think it would be cheaper to pay the fee. Hell, I pay $50/month now for a check scanner. My bank wants a minimum of $25/month to handle ACH payments (which I don’t pay). $20/month is chump change, compared to the

Re: [AFMUG] Alphabet's Wi-Fi beaming balloons prepare to lift off in Indonesia - CNET

2015-10-29 Thread Mike Hammett
Does an aerostat become a blimp when its tether breaks? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 10:20:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Alphabet's Wi-Fi beaming balloons prepare to lift off in Indonesia - CNET

2015-10-29 Thread Jaime Solorza
yes that was funny except for folks who lost power Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > I assume that was a reference to the runaway NORAD blimp aerostat? > > Oh, the huge manatee! > > *From:* Jaime

Re: [AFMUG] Alphabet's Wi-Fi beaming balloons prepare to lift off in Indonesia - CNET

2015-10-29 Thread Cameron Crum
Not tethered? How does it remain stationary? On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Does an aerostat become a blimp when its tether breaks? > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > >

[AFMUG] Google search results need compatibility view in IE11?

2015-10-29 Thread Ken Hohhof
Anybody else experiencing blank Google search results pages if you don't use Chrome? I was able to fix it in IE11 on Win7 by adding google.com to the Compatibility View list. (but not by enabling the Microsoft list) It occurs consistently in IE11, intermittently in Firefox. The page is not

Re: [AFMUG] Alphabet's Wi-Fi beaming balloons prepare to lift off in Indonesia - CNET

2015-10-29 Thread Jaime Solorza
Huh Jaime Solorza On Oct 29, 2015 7:36 AM, "Gino Villarini" wrote: > is not tethered > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: > >> Because what could go wrong with a balloon tethered to the ground? >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:24 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp APs blowing Eth ports everywhere! is this a know issue?

2015-10-29 Thread Ben Royer
How do you ground your AP’s Gino? We ground through L-COM Gigabit surge suppressors, and we also physically ground the AP. Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Manager Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net From: Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:29 AM To:

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp APs blowing Eth ports everywhere! is this a know issue?

2015-10-29 Thread Jay Weekley
Seem to have a problem with the SMs though we have lost one AP on a tower with 15 radios for no particular reason. Mike Hammett wrote: I've had two go, but they were both early units. I'm not sure I've had any sync ones lose it since then. I haven't lost any non-sync ones. - Mike

Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV

2015-10-29 Thread Matt
Does the 430APC-HV bond any pairs? Would it be the more universal one? On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Right, it electrically bonds the pairs for powering. That will not work for > a 430 and a few others. > > -Original Message- From: Matt >

Re: [AFMUG] Alphabet's Wi-Fi beaming balloons prepare to lift off in Indonesia - CNET

2015-10-29 Thread Ken Hohhof
I assume that was a reference to the runaway NORAD blimp aerostat? Oh, the huge manatee! From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 9:56 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alphabet's Wi-Fi beaming balloons prepare to lift off in Indonesia - CNET Huh Jaime Solorza On Oct 29,

Re: [AFMUG] PCI Compliance- who has it?

2015-10-29 Thread Scott Vander Dussen
Eek- a day job too? 24 hours isn't enough for me with this job! So in short, pretty much none of the wisps on this list are voluntarily paying for pci compliance testing/auditing? Thanks, `S --- Sent mobile, typed by thumbs. > On Oct 28, 2015, at 17:43, Tyler Treat

Re: [AFMUG] Google search results need compatibility view in IE11?

2015-10-29 Thread Bill Prince
I see it occasionally in Chrome too. I'll get a search page that is blank except for the search box at the top of the page with my search terms still in the box. If I click on the magnifying glass on the right side of the search box, it will render. bp On

Re: [AFMUG] Google search results need compatibility view in IE11?

2015-10-29 Thread Nate Burke
Same here in Firefox, Normally when it's doing the 'auto fill/display' Then you backspace, it gets all confused. F5 usually fixes it. My Problem is that as I'm typing something in, I see the result I want pop in at the top, but as I continue typing, it goes away and is replaced with another

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp APs blowing Eth ports everywhere! is this a know issue?

2015-10-29 Thread Gino Villarini
same On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Ben Royer wrote: > How do you ground your AP’s Gino? > > We ground through L-COM Gigabit surge suppressors, and we also physically > ground the AP. > > Thank you, > Ben Royer, Operations Manager > Royell Communications, Inc. >

Re: [AFMUG] Alphabet's Wi-Fi beaming balloons prepare to lift off in Indonesia - CNET

2015-10-29 Thread Josh Luthman
One broke loose yesterday. Jaime posted the article. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 29, 2015 11:41 AM, "Cameron Crum" wrote: > Not tethered? How does it remain stationary? > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at

Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports

2015-10-29 Thread Lewis Bergman
This is the FAA site: FAA Enter everything and it will calculate if you need to provide notice. It costs nothing to do an off airport filing and they will respond in 45 days. Once assigned you can

Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV

2015-10-29 Thread Chuck McCown
Yes, it bonds the positive or 4/5 with the positive of 7/8 whichever one that is. It is the split pair powering version. The others don't split the power pair. The most universal one is the GigE-XXX-POE. Unless you need split pair powering... -Original Message- From: Matt Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

2015-10-29 Thread Josh Luthman
Not a stupid question, George. That was it. Factory default is actually the second to last option - auto 100/10/f/h. I mean config from the factory - not what happens if you push factory default in software. I did take this radio from 14.0 (factory) to 14.1b6. Josh Luthman Office:

Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports

2015-10-29 Thread Jeremy
I took over a tower that had a previous WISP on it. I have since found that it is not registered in Towair, and fails the test. However, it is just South of some high power lines which are taller than the tower, and fall in between the tower and the airport. So, if they are flying low enough to

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

2015-10-29 Thread Matt
I have mine set on 1000base and it will only do 100base. It tries to do 1000base at first, you can see the dlink managed switch light blink green at first, then it gives up and goes too 100base. It passes through 200 foot of shielded cat-5 then a GigE-APC-HV. I have also tried a 430APC-HV with

Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports

2015-10-29 Thread Lewis Bergman
File with the FAA as I mentioned above. You can take a screenshot wth google earth and annotate it marking the power lines, their heights, etc.. When you get a file number and it is assigned I would call them, point out the power lines again, and find out if they want any documentation that you

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

2015-10-29 Thread Josh Luthman
I kind of agree. I'm not sure the idea was behind defaulting it to auto 100 instead of auto 1000, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 2:40 PM, George Skorup wrote: > Nice. I like

Re: [AFMUG] PCI compliance and managed router

2015-10-29 Thread Adam Moffett
Yeah I'd bet their filling out the form incorrectly. On 10/29/2015 10:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: That's a good question. I will try to press a little harder on this. It's frustrating when PCI compliance is done by a secretary armed with a questionnaire and a link for a web based scanner,

[AFMUG] IPTV Headend

2015-10-29 Thread Chuck McCown
Hi Craig, Do you have a TV headend in St. Geo or surrounding area? Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

2015-10-29 Thread George Skorup
Nice. I like when problems are simple to solve like that. On 10/29/2015 11:28 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Not a stupid question, George. That was it. Factory default is actually the second to last option - auto 100/10/f/h. I mean config from the factory - not what happens if you push factory

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

2015-10-29 Thread Chuck McCown
GigE-APC-HV has different wiring than a 430-APC-HV. One of them is going to short out the POE. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 1:21 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit Which injector are you using? On Oct 29, 2015 11:05 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV Headend

2015-10-29 Thread Chuck McCown
Arrgh, that was supposed to be off list... CQ, Calling Craig Baird -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 12:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] IPTV Headend Hi Craig, Do you have a TV headend in St. Geo or surrounding area? Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

2015-10-29 Thread Josh Luthman
OK so it would just kick down to 100 meg if there was a problem... Yes, 100 meg would be good for most installs - but for a new install I'd prefer to have it done right from the get go. In the future we may see a need. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

2015-10-29 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Which injector are you using? On Oct 29, 2015 11:05 AM, "Matt" wrote: > > I have mine set on 1000base and it will only do 100base. It tries to do 1000base at first, you can see the dlink managed switch light blink green at first, then it gives up and goes too

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

2015-10-29 Thread Daniel White
Because FastE supports the capacity of the AP, and your less likely to have Ethernet Errors/switch compatibility errors. Well I’m guessing that is the reason :-) Thank you, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite Social:

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

2015-10-29 Thread Josh Luthman
This is what I'm using and I did make it work (after I set it to do auto 1000 from default auto 100). Forrest - please correct the notes to say up to 57 =) http://store.packetflux.com/gigabit-syncinjector-for-24-volt-cambium-radios/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

2015-10-29 Thread George Skorup
I don't know if the 450i is the same, but it's harmless to let it negotiate 1000Base-T. Aaron explained this before. If the 450's ethernet sees 1000Base-T being advertised, it will try to link up and if there isn't data on all four pairs, then it gives up and drops to 10/100 only. There will

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

2015-10-29 Thread Matt
Using: http://store.packetflux.com/gigabit-syncinjector-for-24-volt-cambium-radios/ Reproduced this at two tower sites with PMP450i AP's set at 1000base. Current Site: Dlink Managed Vlan Gigabit Switch Gigabit SyncInjector powered at 48 volts. APC surge arrestor. Tried both 430APC-HV and

[AFMUG] When you want 4.8 kbps at -115 signal or thereabouts

2015-10-29 Thread Eric Kuhnke
https://www.lora-alliance.org/ https://medium.com/@dconrad/how-new-long-range-radios-will-change-the-internet-of-things-ed8e6b5e367f#.6oj7erk51 Here's a manufacturer with a datasheet: http://www.semtech.com/images/datasheet/sx1276_77_78_79.pdf http://www.semtech.com/apps/product.php?pn=SX1276

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

2015-10-29 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
You Sure ? Here is attached proof... doing max of 47G x 9.42G on a 100meg port ! LOL! Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Josh Luthman"

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

2015-10-29 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
We have an AF24HD at 4.5 miles.. a few dB off on one of the sides, but it does alright and giving full modulation…except for heavy rain fade :) > On Oct 29, 2015, at 4:37 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > > Sterling is in Utah tho so 3.5miles @ 24Ghz is realistic. I don't think i'd

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

2015-10-29 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
took a closer look at your picture since one of the chains is seeing -62, you should be able to do that on all 4 chains. (leave power and rx gain as it is while aligning)... then play with power and rx-gain to get full modulation. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

2015-10-29 Thread Josh Luthman
Somehow I really doubt you got 8.4gbps on a gigabit port. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: > Sorry, this was the picture of the link in question. >

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

2015-10-29 Thread Sterling Jacobson
Ooops, wrong image, lol! This is the one that I thought I attached, but didn’t show up as an attachment. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD You Sure ? Here is attached

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

2015-10-29 Thread Sean Heskett
Sterling is in Utah tho so 3.5miles @ 24Ghz is realistic. I don't think i'd go much further than that tho ;-) -sean On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Brett A Mansfield < li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: > That's a really long distance. Excellent signal for the distance though! > > The

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

2015-10-29 Thread Brett A Mansfield
I wouldn't say it's a waste at this distance. You want it as good as you can get it to be in order to limit the rain fade. I had really bad rain fade on my link at 3 miles until I turned the dials 1/16th turn. Now it's pretty mild. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Oct 29, 2015, at 4:35 PM,

[AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

2015-10-29 Thread Sterling Jacobson
Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD? I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz? This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB? What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the first on

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

2015-10-29 Thread Josh Luthman
Just a basic pathloss would probably be best. Chain difference means NLOS issue or path issue. Assuming it isn't broken... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Sterling Jacobson

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

2015-10-29 Thread Brett A Mansfield
My experience with the AF24 is that a huge difference between chains is a misalignment. The tiniest of adjustments can fix that. But I haven't done many more than you. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Oct 29, 2015, at 4:00 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: > > Is there a

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

2015-10-29 Thread Brett A Mansfield
That's a really long distance. Excellent signal for the distance though! The last link I put up at that distance was pretty much the same. I went to that sites remote end and turned each dial 1/16th turn and it went even on all chains. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Oct 29, 2015, at 4:30

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

2015-10-29 Thread George Skorup
I've found those small discrepancies to be normal in most cases and trying to get everything absolutely perfect by playing with alignment for an hour or two is a waste of time. On 10/29/2015 5:30 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: Ooops, wrong image, lol! This is the one that I thought I

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

2015-10-29 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Cannot speak for the link calculator, but I can share with you the following:- 1) -64/-65 is the right signal level for a link distance of 3.5 miles 2) yes the chains should be balanced (all of them the same or +/- 1-2db), your one side is rather off ... (when you have them just right, it

Re: [AFMUG] Alphabet's Wi-Fi beaming balloons prepare to lift off in Indonesia - CNET

2015-10-29 Thread Bill Prince
Looked like an anatomically correct dolphin that was particularly well hung. bp On 10/29/2015 8:20 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I assume that was a reference to the runaway NORAD blimp aerostat? Oh, the huge manatee! *From:* Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

2015-10-29 Thread Work
Dont know if @UBNT-Chuck wants to chime in here but you may want to take a look at what going on with the 3.2 beta on the forum it might be more just for AFX though not real clear on that  — Sent from Mailbox On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp APs blowing Eth ports everywhere! is this a know issue?

2015-10-29 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
our test site with early GPS units has blown ports in two switches, never correlated it to the APs because it was during storms, and once the box had snow come in through a tiny hole On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Jay Weekley wrote: > Seem to have a problem with

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

2015-10-29 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Good catch... My testing 450i seems to default to gigabit off (after a factory default). Once I set it on (which I seem to remember doing previously as well), it links right up at gigabit speeds. This is with a RB850Gx2 -forrest On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 5:32 PM, George Skorup

Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV

2015-10-29 Thread Bill Prince
+1. Plus, there was a time when some of us were mis-wiring FSK to put the + and - on the twisted pairs so that it wouldn't cause as much noise (the guys at Last Mile Gear tried it and it worked. Cambium guys decided to make it real after that when they put together the 430. Round and

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

2015-10-29 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Somebody should bother the FCC to allow +10 or +18 Tx power in 24 GHz, but only with very tight pattern (RPE, tiny sidelobes and f/b ratio) 2' and 3' PTP dishes... I wonder how successful such a lobbying effort would be. On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Josh Luthman

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

2015-10-29 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Snow in the air actually causes a lot less fade at =>11 GHz than the equivalent amount of rain. Even wet snow is relatively "dry" when it's in the air until it hits surfaces and starts congealing. On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Jeremy wrote: > Seriously though, how

Re: [AFMUG] When you want 4.8 kbps at -115 signal or thereabouts

2015-10-29 Thread Eric Kuhnke
yes, particularly where you can install a base station/central hub in an area and get data from your things for "free"... Much less costly over a 10 year timespan than putting a SIM card in a SCADA device with quad band cellular modem, which will probably be at minimum $10/mo per active SIM in

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

2015-10-29 Thread Brett A Mansfield
I don't think you're wrong at all. If you have the budget to keep them that short I think you should. I'm buying another pair of them just so I can half the distance of my link. I have one at 3 miles also in Utah I the exact same area as Sterling and I have rain fade every time we get a decent

Re: [AFMUG] When you want 4.8 kbps at -115 signal or thereabouts

2015-10-29 Thread Rory Conaway
There was a company that had a 2.4GHz narrow band unit that would go 7 miles. I looked for them a few months ago and couldn’t find them. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 2:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] When you want

Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV

2015-10-29 Thread Jeremy
Do you think that Cambium was like, "These techy types are so enthusiastic about proprietary formats like Apple and everything, we should follow suit and ignore all of the IEEE standards!??" Or was it "Maybe we can MAKE them buy our CMM!" Either way, I call it a POE failure. Glad that I never

Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV

2015-10-29 Thread Sean Heskett
FSK poe was decided on before there were any standards. 430 AP used the same pin out as the WiMAX gear 450 went back to the FSK standard (because we all complained ;) 450i moved to 802.3at to finally stop us from complaining that they weren't using a standard. On Thursday, October 29, 2015,

Re: [AFMUG] When you want 4.8 kbps at -115 signal or thereabouts

2015-10-29 Thread Jeremy
This technology seems like it would be perfect for SCADA stuff wouldn't it? We provide service to our local irrigation company and they have terrible connections, but only need a few kbps every few minutes so it still works great. They are just sensors that monitor water flow through canal

Re: [AFMUG] When you want 4.8 kbps at -115 signal or thereabouts

2015-10-29 Thread Jaime Solorza
maxstream. Makes some. Jaime Solorza On Oct 29, 2015 8:07 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > There was a company that had a 2.4GHz narrow band unit that would go 7 > miles. I looked for them a few months ago and couldn’t find them. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af

Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV

2015-10-29 Thread Josh Luthman
450i doing and pairs is pretty slick, I think. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 29, 2015 10:16 PM, "Sean Heskett" wrote: > FSK poe was decided on before there were any standards. > > 430 AP used the same pin

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

2015-10-29 Thread Sterling Jacobson
So is the newer Airfiber HD better at rain fade than the 750Mbps Airfiber? It seems like it has a better transmit antenna, so it should be able to fall back and retain better in the rain/snow fade. That was my hope anyway. This link I posted has an existing link with nearly identical distance,

Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV

2015-10-29 Thread George Skorup
But there was a very good reason for that. + and - twisted on a single pair greatly reduced the sync pulse spike from causing ethernet errors. The 450 went back to the old way and I haven't seen sync-over-power causing ethernet errors on it. Surely things have improved with PHYs now. The

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

2015-10-29 Thread Josh Luthman
Slightly better. Bigger rx antenna. Can't break the limits of tx. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 29, 2015 10:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" wrote: > So is the newer Airfiber HD better at rain fade than

Re: [AFMUG] When you want 4.8 kbps at -115 signal or thereabouts

2015-10-29 Thread Jaime Solorza
Yepwe use allot of 900MHz FHSS and narrowband radios with just 9600bps or less...we have used 2 .4 maxstream where several 900MHz links already existed. Jaime Solorza On Oct 29, 2015 8:16 PM, "Jeremy" wrote: > This technology seems like it would be perfect for SCADA