Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] MOOT on CFJ 4030 - Please Vote

2023-05-24 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 11:54 AM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/24/23 13:52, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > > Oh. Well. That's just what the Arbitor said: > > "I hereby initiate an Agoran Decision (a Moot) to determine public > > confidence

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] MOOT on CFJ 4030 - Please Vote

2023-05-24 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/24/23 13:52, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: Oh. Well. That's just what the Arbitor said: "I hereby initiate an Agoran Decision (a Moot) to determine public confidence in CFJ 4030's current judgement of TRUE, " I am publicly confident in Yachay's judgement of TRUE. So if you're

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] MOOT on CFJ 4030 - Please Vote

2023-05-24 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
nix: "How is it on the way out if it's being reinforced by a decision? " Janet: "I strongly disagree with "we are voting on the final outcome". The reasoning is what matters for building consensus, and the reasoning is what matters for future cases." Oh. Well. That's just what the Arbitor said:

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] MOOT on CFJ 4030 - Please Vote

2023-05-24 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/24/23 14:28, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > I vote AFFIRM on this decision. The reasoning may be "wrong", but we are > voting on the final outcome which is perfectly acceptable. That and just > because a reasoning is hasty or simple doesn't determine that the reasoning > is wrong.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] MOOT on CFJ 4030 - Please Vote

2023-05-24 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/24/23 13:28, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: I vote AFFIRM on this decision. The reasoning may be "wrong", but we are voting on the final outcome which is perfectly acceptable. That and just because a reasoning is hasty or simple doesn't determine that the reasoning is wrong.

DIS: Re: BUS: (@blob) Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly report

2023-05-24 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/24/23 14:02, juan via agora-official wrote: > Kerim Aydin via agora-business [2023-05-24 06:46]: >>> + blob 2023-05-18 " cearguizoni1 at gmail dot com >> Oops we never resolved this. >> >> Claim of Error: Blob (as listed 4 times on the Registrar's Monthly >>

DIS: Re: BUS: (@blob) Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly report

2023-05-24 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/24/23 13:02, juan via agora-official wrote: we all know (and all shall know when looking upon the archives) to which blob this refers. I'm a little suspicious about this claim. Reading 5+ year old archives can require a lot of reading to understand anything that would've been obvious in

DIS: Re: BUS: New player reqesting to join

2023-05-24 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Anneke-Constantine via agora-business [2023-05-23 22:59]: > My name is Anneke-Constantine, and I would like to join the game of Agora. Welcome Anneke-Constantine! You are registered. -- juan Registrar

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A Bright Future

2023-05-23 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/23/23 03:09, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > A player CAN, by paying a fee of 5 brights, turn a specified rule Radiant, > provided its power is less than 2. Each referenda on a proposal that would > amend or repeal a Radiant rule has its Adoption Index increased to 2, if it > is ever

DIS: Re: BUS: Change of email [attn. Registrar]

2023-05-22 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Janet Cobb via agora-business [2023-05-22 15:41]: > I change my Agoran email to janet.agora@unspecified.systems  -- juan

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) CFJ 4030 Judged TRUE by Yachay

2023-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 1:14 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > Actually, I was asked by ais523 to add to a CfJ a clarification on > something, a 'sub-Judgement' of a sort. > > Would've it been possible for me to, for example, Judge TRUE, but also add > a sub-Judgement that from

DIS: Re: BUS: [Surveyor] Weekly Commune Report

2023-05-22 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 12:23 PM nix via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > Events Worth Note > = > Red merged both Dynamite (when 4st placed E3). > > 4st gained 1 accolade for Dynamite. > > Red merged Amber (when ais523 placed F3). > > Nobody gained

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) CFJ 4030 Judged TRUE by Yachay

2023-05-22 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/22/23 15:14, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > Would've it been possible for me to, for example, Judge TRUE, but also add > a sub-Judgement that from here on, we should play according to the > interpretation that would make it FALSE (that is, that you can only anoint > once)?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) CFJ 4030 Judged TRUE by Yachay

2023-05-22 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Actually, I was asked by ais523 to add to a CfJ a clarification on something, a 'sub-Judgement' of a sort. Would've it been possible for me to, for example, Judge TRUE, but also add a sub-Judgement that from here on, we should play according to the interpretation that would make it FALSE (that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) CFJ 4030 Judged TRUE by Yachay

2023-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 12:44 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > Yes, but wouldn't certain CfJs be likely to enter into Moot Tennis if we > don't take the opinion of the majority as a tiebreaker as Judges? We can > keep going back and forth with Moots, because 2+N Support seems

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) CFJ 4030 Judged TRUE by Yachay

2023-05-22 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/22/23 15:44, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > Yes, but wouldn't certain CfJs be likely to enter into Moot Tennis if we > don't take the opinion of the majority as a tiebreaker as Judges? We can > keep going back and forth with Moots, because 2+N Support seems fairly easy > to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) CFJ 4030 Judged TRUE by Yachay

2023-05-22 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Yes, but wouldn't certain CfJs be likely to enter into Moot Tennis if we don't take the opinion of the majority as a tiebreaker as Judges? We can keep going back and forth with Moots, because 2+N Support seems fairly easy to pull off. How is the Moot Tennis supposed to end? On Mon, May 22, 2023

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) CFJ 4030 Judged TRUE by Yachay

2023-05-22 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/22/23 15:25, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > CfJ 3890 puts it into nicer words ("Where there is no obvious way to solve > a given problem, judges are free to apply their own life experience > (...)"), but seems to line up with what I had to end up with, simply > applying my own

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) CFJ 4030 Judged TRUE by Yachay

2023-05-22 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
CfJ 3890 puts it into nicer words ("Where there is no obvious way to solve a given problem, judges are free to apply their own life experience (...)"), but seems to line up with what I had to end up with, simply applying my own personal opinion. But also, yes, I agree that it's not explicit; but

DIS: Re: BUS: Commune Actions - 21 May 2023 [attn. Surveyor]

2023-05-22 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/21/23 00:58, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > I place a tile at D5, merging Emerald into Red. Fails as you do not have a 5. -- nix Prime Minister, Herald

DIS: Re: BUS: [Surveyor] Weekly Commune Report

2023-05-22 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/15/23 23:00, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > I believe I should have more tokens and investment than this? > > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2023-May/051351.html True, but you failed to grant from your middle constructor (it's set to 4, you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [@Surveyor] Please report…

2023-05-22 Thread juan via agora-discussion
nix via agora-discussion [2023-05-22 13:46]: > On 5/22/23 13:45, juan via agora-business wrote: > > I petition the Surveyor to publish eir weekly report. > > I respond: I'm not even kind of late, this is my normal day to publish > my reports and I've only missed one before. > > -- > nix > Prime

DIS: Re: BUS: [@Surveyor] Please report…

2023-05-22 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/22/23 13:45, juan via agora-business wrote: > I petition the Surveyor to publish eir weekly report. I respond: I'm not even kind of late, this is my normal day to publish my reports and I've only missed one before. -- nix Prime Minister, Herald

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Rice rewrite

2023-05-22 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/22/23 14:33, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > Janet Cobb via agora-business [2023-05-21 01:28]: >> Changes: >> - Generally cleaned up wording >> - Handle rice at Lost and Found >> - Harvesting a plan now grants rice before revoking (handling the case >> where a person is in both the up and

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Rice rewrite

2023-05-22 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Janet Cobb via agora-business [2023-05-21 01:28]: > Changes: > - Generally cleaned up wording > - Handle rice at Lost and Found > - Harvesting a plan now grants rice before revoking (handling the case > where a person is in both the up and down sets) > - Use "CAN" for enabling > - Use a by

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Rice disarmament

2023-05-22 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I think the main time-consuming activity in the Rice Game would be navigating its particularly challenging endgame (how do you get that last Rice? diplomacy? scam?), rather than grinding for large amounts of Rice. Even if we do end up going with this, and you end up getting 4 Rice, that last fifth

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) CFJ 4030 Judged TRUE by Yachay

2023-05-21 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/21/23 15:12, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 12:35 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> This is my Judgement for CFJ 4030, which asks: >> >> Per Rule 2680, a player can anoint a ritual number multiple

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4029 Assigned to Murphy

2023-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
> Rule 106 (Adopting Proposals, Power=3) states that adopted proposals > "take effect", and: > >Except insofar as the actions performed by a proposal happen one >after another, rather than simultaneously, a proposal's effect is >instantaneous. A proposal can neither delay

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4029 Assigned to Murphy

2023-05-21 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
Seriously considering to send to business that i jaywalk without a license with dangerous levels of swagger anyways søn. 21. mai 2023, 2:19 p.m. skrev Edward Murphy via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org>: > G. wrote: > > > The below CFJ is 4029. I assign it to Murphy. > > > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-21 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
ais523 wrote: On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 21:32 +0100, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder

Re: Very Proto Economy (Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization_

2023-05-21 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
nix wrote: On 5/19/23 11:50, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: I'd much rather take the route of trying to get the Radiance/Stamps system functional again, than of trying to repeal it. (Stamps in particular are one of the most powerful "new player perks" we've seen, and I suspect that that's

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) CFJ 4030 Judged TRUE by Yachay

2023-05-21 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 12:35 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > This is my Judgement for CFJ 4030, which asks: > > Per Rule 2680, a player can anoint a ritual number multiple times > for a single instance of a ritual act. > > This is

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) CFJ 4030 Judged TRUE by Yachay

2023-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 10:35 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: > I Judge TRUE, forced to play my last card and merely appeal to my personal > opinion. I think this is just fine, and a nice overall first judgement and discussion of the issues. When we were discussing this on

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Stonemason/@Assessor) SABOTAGE!

2023-05-21 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2023-05-21 at 10:50 -0700, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > I change my vote on 8983 to ABSENT, or PRESENT if I cannot change my > vote to something invalid. The wording you want is "I withdraw my vote on 8983" or "I retract my vote on 8983" (these are synonyms). To "change a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Promise anti-escalation

2023-05-21 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
This has been the best possible outcome lør. 20. mai 2023, 11:07 p.m. skrev Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org>: > On 5/21/23 01:59, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > > I counter by instead submitting the following proposal: > > > > {Adoption index = 3 >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Promise anti-escalation

2023-05-21 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/21/23 01:59, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > I counter by instead submitting the following proposal: > > {Adoption index = 3 > > [Stop making small changes to fix things. This security issue happens all > the time.] Exactly what non-small change would you want here? Your

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Promise anti-escalation

2023-05-20 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
I counter by instead submitting the following proposal: {Adoption index = 3 [Stop making small changes to fix things. This security issue happens all the time.] Enact the following rule:"By default and unless otherwise specified, assets, switches, and eir properties are secured at the power

Re: Very Proto Economy (Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization_

2023-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:07 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > - I like the Focuses idea. > - I think you'd really just want to use your Stamps to win rather than > anything else. Maybe instead you can only Focus on something if you have > the right Stamp or combination of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-20 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I do agree with that Officers should be rewarded somehow, but my main issue here is how the democracy is run, not Officer rewards. Maybe we could keep those rewards somehow without any nerfs while limiting or nerfing other things? I've attempted a "Officer salary" proto, anyways. I'm also sorry

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Consent

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:49 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:46 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On 5/19/23 16:40, Forest Sweeney wrote: > > > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:31 PM Janet Cobb via

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Consent

2023-05-19 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:46 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/19/23 16:40, Forest Sweeney wrote: > > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:31 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion > > wrote: > > > > On 5/19/23 16:16, Forest Sweeney via agora-business

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Consent

2023-05-19 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 16:40, Forest Sweeney wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:31 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 5/19/23 16:16, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > > I consent to all rice plans that have my player in the Rice Up > list and do > > not have my player

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Consent

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:40 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > I'd argue that I fit criteria 4 of Rule 2519 ("Consent"): > "4. it is reasonably clear from context that e wanted the action to > take place or assented to it taking place." There's quite a few precedents in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Consent

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
*Blows smoke off gun, spins pistol back into holster* On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 10:42 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:40 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > I think

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Consent

2023-05-19 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:40 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I think it could, because I believe they are providing context which > reasonably indicates that they want their consent to be applied in that > way. The 4st point in Rule 2519 seems

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Consent

2023-05-19 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:31 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/19/23 16:16, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > > I consent to all rice plans that have my player in the Rice Up list and > do > > not have my player in the Rice Down list. I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Consent

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I think it could, because I believe they are providing context which reasonably indicates that they want their consent to be applied in that way. The 4st point in Rule 2519 seems to allow it. On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 10:31 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 11:47 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > So, only someone who already is in power and a beneficiary of the system > should be entitled to propose change things? Er, I never said you couldn't propose. I was giving you feedback on how I felt about voting for

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Consent

2023-05-19 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 16:16, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > I consent to all rice plans that have my player in the Rice Up list and do > not have my player in the Rice Down list. I also consent to all rice plans > that have no players in the Rice Up list and I am not in the Rice Down list. > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Ricemastor] Nihilist gohan

2023-05-19 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
I made a better consent notification anyhow, but thanks for looking out for me! (I noticed my failure to use the right fora as well... such a 4st thing to do!) On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:18 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/19/23 16:11, Forest

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8980-8984

2023-05-19 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 14:21, Beokirby via agora-discussion wrote: On 2023-05-18 10:56 PM, Beokirby via agora-business wrote: On 2023-05-18 10:41 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: ID Author(s)   AI    Title ---

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8980-8984

2023-05-19 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 15:21, Beokirby via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2023-05-18 10:56 PM, Beokirby via agora-business wrote: >> On 2023-05-18 10:41 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: >>> ID  Author(s)   AI    Title >>>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Ricemastor] Nihilist gohan

2023-05-19 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 16:11, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 11:57 AM Janet Cobb via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On 5/19/23 14:56, juan via agora-business wrote: >>> I create and consent to the following Rice Plan: >>> >>> Rice Up: [] >>>

DIS: Re: BUS: [Ricemastor] Nihilist gohan

2023-05-19 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 11:57 AM Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/19/23 14:56, juan via agora-business wrote: > > I create and consent to the following Rice Plan: > > > > Rice Up: [] > > Rice Down: [] > > > > I consent to the above rice plan. > > -- >

Re: Very Proto Economy (Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization_

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
- I like the Focuses idea. - I think you'd really just want to use your Stamps to win rather than anything else. Maybe instead you can only Focus on something if you have the right Stamp or combination of Stamps in your possession? For example, something like: Voting Focus [Requirement: Ownership

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8980-8984

2023-05-19 Thread Beokirby via agora-discussion
On 2023-05-18 10:56 PM, Beokirby via agora-business wrote: On 2023-05-18 10:41 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: ID  Author(s)   AI    Title --- 8980~   Yachay  1.0   Riding with

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
You could say that to anyone disadvantaged who wants to change how things are, it's not particularly insightful (or accurate, in this case). So, only someone who already is in power and a beneficiary of the system should be entitled to propose change things? I don't think my situation is as bad,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8972-8979

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 10:41 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 5/19/23 12:26, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote > >> 8978* Janet 3.0 Authorized initiation > > FOR, although it doesn't actually solve the issue that brought this > > up, as it doesn't ratify

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Rice contract

2023-05-19 Thread Beokirby via agora-discussion
On 2023-05-19 1:38 PM, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: There's danger in a contract like this. If you have 0 Rice, and say, I have 1 Rice, and I submit a Rice Plan that gives us both 1 Rice and it ends up being the Rice Plan that passes, then you lose that round and I win that

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8972-8979

2023-05-19 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 12:26, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote >> 8978* Janet 3.0 Authorized initiation > FOR, although it doesn't actually solve the issue that brought this > up, as it doesn't ratify a *proposal's* existence when the decision is > to adopt a proposal (the equivalent

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Rice contract

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
There's danger in a contract like this. If you have 0 Rice, and say, I have 1 Rice, and I submit a Rice Plan that gives us both 1 Rice and it ends up being the Rice Plan that passes, then you lose that round and I win that round, and we're both set back to 0 Rice. On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 7:21 PM

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 09:59 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:50 AM ais523 via agora-discussion > wrote: > > I sometimes feel like half my arguing at Agora is dedicated to trying > > to persuade people not to repeal the economy. > > > > It rarely works,

Very Proto Economy (Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization_

2023-05-19 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 11:50, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: I'd much rather take the route of trying to get the Radiance/Stamps system functional again, than of trying to repeal it. (Stamps in particular are one of the most powerful "new player perks" we've seen, and I suspect that that's a good

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:50 AM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 09:37 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:26 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora- > > discussion wrote: > > > With radiance and Stamps seemingly on their way out, I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:50 AM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 09:37 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:26 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora- > > discussion wrote: > > > With radiance and Stamps seemingly on their way out, I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemaster) Solidarity

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Technically you need to "consent" to having your "Signature" on a "Rice Plan", but given how lenient consent rules are (Rule 2519, point 4 especially), I believe this and the others like it are fine. It just needs to be "reasonably clear from context". I think it's a great advantage that the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 09:37 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:26 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora- > discussion  wrote: > > With radiance and Stamps seemingly on their way out, I believe that your > > Officer salary problem is part of a larger problem of Agora

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:43 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > I don't intend to design an economy, because I don't think I'm competent > enough to do so. I'll try to contribute where I can, though. > Ah, the typical take-away power with a promise, but an unfulfilled one. No

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemaster) Solidarity

2023-05-19 Thread Beokirby via agora-discussion
On 2023-05-19 1:33 AM, Katie Davenport via agora-business wrote: I create and consent to the following rice plan. [ Rice Up: [inalienableWright, beokirby, blob] Rice Down: [ ] ] -inalienableWright (Katie) I consent to this list

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I don't intend to design an economy, because I don't think I'm competent enough to do so. I'll try to contribute where I can, though. On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 6:40 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:26 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Most newer players aren't going to know how to navigate the game and competently use mechanics like Stones or Dreams (I still don't know how Stones are meant to work). And even then, there's an opportunity cost in it all. A player that already is well-off can afford to use their Dream for things

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:26 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > With radiance and Stamps seemingly on their way out, I believe that your > Officer salary problem is part of a larger problem of Agora overall needing > a proper economy again, not a voting strength problem. So offer

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 11:26, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: But, no. I don't think that any player deserves ~4 times the voting strength of a newbie, regardless of the reason. I want other players to be able to play nomic, especially newbies, and they need a relevant amount of voting strength

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 5:28 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 5:51 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > > Let's give everyone a more equal chance to be relevant. > > > > > So right now, Officers' only

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 5:51 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > > > Let's give everyone a more equal chance to be relevant. > > So right now, Officers' only reward is increased voting strength (I believe), and the game is growing with lots of new players so officers' work is getting

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8980-8984

2023-05-19 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 03:45, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: 8981~ Janet, nix 2.0 Stone fixes PRESENT for now, I haven't studied those rules yet Well, the gist of the intended change is that some of the stones say their own name in their effects, when it'd be better to say

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 2:08 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I submit the following two Proposals: > > Title: Democratization (low AI version) > AI: 1 > Author: Yachay > Co-Authors: None > /*Comment: I'm fine with rewarding officers and such with

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fair rice planning [attn. Ricemastor]

2023-05-18 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 00:57, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:55 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> I create and consent to each of the following rice plans: >> >> 1. As follows: >> >> * Rice Up: The empty set. >> >> * Rice

DIS: Re: BUS: Fair rice planning [attn. Ricemastor]

2023-05-18 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:55 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I create and consent to each of the following rice plans: > > 1. As follows: > > * Rice Up: The empty set. > > * Rice Down: The empty set. > > 2. As follows: > > * Rice Up: The set of active

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8980-8984

2023-05-18 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 9:56 PM nix via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/18/23 21:41, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: > > ID Author(s) AITitle > > > --- > > 8980~

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Scamster

2023-05-18 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 6:31 PM Forest Sweeney wrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 5:08 PM ais523 via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 18:57 -0500, nix via agora-discussion wrote: >> > On 5/18/23 18:54, ais523 via agora-business wrote: >> > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Scamster

2023-05-18 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 5:08 PM ais523 via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 18:57 -0500, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 5/18/23 18:54, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > > > -- > > > H. ais523, Champion×17, M.N., D.N.Phil, Marvy Scamster >

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Assessor, @Notary) Deputisation Intent - Assessor

2023-05-18 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 16:29, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: > Welcome to another episode of me being paranoid about the same enactment > timing scam again. > > I announce my intent to deputise as Assessor to resolve the Agoran > decisions to adopt Proposals 8965, 8966, 8967, 8968, 8969 and 8970.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Scamster

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 18:57 -0500, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/18/23 18:54, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > > -- > > H. ais523, Champion×17, M.N., D.N.Phil, Marvy Scamster > > Appreciate the little humble brag in the signature :p A portion of that was the result of scams, and scams

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 18:49 -0500, blob via agora-discussion wrote: > I, being the new player, totally agree with this. I would be more than > willing to put some sort of marker in front of my name, as others in the > past have done. How should I go about changing my name--or how have others > in

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Scamster

2023-05-18 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 18:54, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > -- > H. ais523, Champion×17, M.N., D.N.Phil, Marvy Scamster Appreciate the little humble brag in the signature :p -- nix Prime Minister, Herald

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread blob via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 10:36 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 4:44 AM juan via agora-discussion > wrote: > > Note that the "free choice" is qualified by the need to "pick em out > in the full range of Agoran contexts". The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 21:32 +0100, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: > > I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by > > saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder > > that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 2:29 PM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > Or perhaps this is just a case of "the ais523 who has been following > Agora for over 15 years spots things that the ais523 who had been there > for only one year didn't". Lol, I meant to add myself that the rules underlying may

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 14:01 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 1:32 PM ais523 via agora-discussion > wrote: > > That said, I suspect the word in R2029 is currently undefined: I don't > > think "a definition that was in place at the time the rule was adopted"

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 1:32 PM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: > > I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by > > saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder > > that

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Kerim Aydin via agora-business [2023-05-18 13:16]: > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 12:51 PM nix via agora-business > wrote: > > > > On 5/18/23 14:43, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > > > CFJ: This violates Rule 2029 ("Town Fountain"). > > > I note and investigate the infraction to be 2 blots.

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by > saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder > that it may fail is enough disclaimer to avoid no faking.  I'll also > note that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 16:08, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/18/23 15:03, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: >> I did call a CFJ on whether it created infractions, so I don't believe I >> violated no faking as I had included sufficient carefulness. :3 > Sufficient carefulness would be not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 15:03, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: I did call a CFJ on whether it created infractions, so I don't believe I violated no faking as I had included sufficient carefulness. :3 Sufficient carefulness would be not investigating until the CFJ was resolved, or your timer was

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
I did call a CFJ on whether it created infractions, so I don't believe I violated no faking as I had included sufficient carefulness. :3 On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 12:52 PM nix via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/18/23 14:43, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: >

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 14:51, nix via agora-business wrote: On 5/18/23 14:43, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: CFJ: This violates Rule 2029 ("Town Fountain"). I note and investigate the infraction to be 2 blots. (and as we know, this investigation only occurs if it does indeed violate the rule).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Scamster

2023-05-18 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 14:16, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: I think this will fail but, I think it could be interesting regardless to have an unofficial (or official) record of the methods for how each win was achieved. That's not what I would use titles for. That would be better suited for

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Scamster

2023-05-18 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I think this will fail but, I think it could be interesting regardless to have an unofficial (or official) record of the methods for how each win was achieved. On Thursday, May 18, 2023, nix via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/18/23 14:06, Forest Sweeney via

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: BUS (@Rulekeepor) Clean rule 2675

2023-05-18 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Just to advertise myself a bit here, these kind of situations is what my Invocation Proposal is trying to alleviate. On Thursday, May 18, 2023, nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/18/23 14:06, Beokirby via agora-business wrote: > >> I intent to clean Rule

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