[AsburyPark] What's the story with the Stone Pony?

2007-10-05 Thread evosap
I tried to search, so I wouldn't have to post something I imagine has been discussed here but...what's the story? who owns it, who is in charge of its fate? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread Jersey Shore John
And who's fault is that? Maybe it's o'l "The Voice of the Right" Teddy's: http://tinyurl.com/yplkyz On Oct 5, 2007, at 6:58 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > how do you feel about the no talent ted nugent? lee greenw

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > how do you feel about the no talent ted nugent? lee greenwood? toby > keith? free speech okay with them but not others? How often do they get the 60 Minutes platform? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your g

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread evosap
I thought I posted this earlier. I really could use some enlightening on this. How is asking how and why wiretapping, torture, and voter purging are happening political? Do you really think that only someone with a political background is allowed to address these issues? We are taught certain

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: $10,000.00 to Bruce's Favorite Charity

2007-10-05 Thread Jersey Shore John
this has been a new flash from the right wing parallel universe On Oct 5, 2007, at 4:24 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "evosap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did illegal wiretapping occur? No. > Have people been tortured? No. > Does habeas corpus exist in Guant

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: $10,000.00 to Bruce's Favorite Charity

2007-10-05 Thread Jersey Shore John
major. On Oct 5, 2007, at 4:10 PM, rook782 wrote: Delusions of Granduer --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'll donate $10,000.00 to Bruce Springsteen's favorite charity. > > All he has to do is have a two-hour discussion with me about politics,

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: $10,000.00 to Bruce's Favorite Charity

2007-10-05 Thread Jersey Shore John
and whether you do, either. On Oct 5, 2007, at 11:33 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > wrote: > > > > > > Then we will see his true level of political acuity, once and for

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread Jersey Shore John
here we all are again: trying to debate in the parallel universe of right. round and round and round and round. On Oct 5, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Hinge wrote: Actually I was talking to Oak, but you can join the band too. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread Jersey Shore John
JR decides if and when you agree with him. got it? On Oct 5, 2007, at 10:44 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When radio stations chose to stop > playing Dixie chick music, THEY were making a political statement. >The thing that t

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread Jersey Shore John
"he does not deserve a wide audience " HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:31 AM, justifiedright wrote: I want him to shut up

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread Jersey Shore John
no you didn't. constantly declaring yourself the "winner" and deciding when other people "agree" with you. must be nice. On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:24 AM, justifiedright wrote: I bet that you would miss the point. I won. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread Jersey Shore John
how do you feel about the no talent ted nugent? lee greenwood? toby keith? free speech okay with them but not others? i would also think the mouth breathing free-market types would support the $$$=speech equation. they do in every other arena. make a lot of money? you get the platform. free

[AsburyPark] Re: $10,000.00 to Bruce's Favorite Charity

2007-10-05 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "evosap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did illegal wiretapping occur? No. > Have people been tortured? No. > Does habeas corpus exist in Guantanamo? Shouldn't. > Did voter suppression occur? I saw a handbook from the the Democrats that said even if you fin

[AsburyPark] Re: $10,000.00 to Bruce's Favorite Charity

2007-10-05 Thread justifiedright
Tell it to the charity. $10K is a lot for them to lose out on. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "rook782" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Delusions of Granduer > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > wrote: > > > > I'll donate $10,000.00 to Bruce Springsteen's favorite char

[AsburyPark] Re: $10,000.00 to Bruce's Favorite Charity

2007-10-05 Thread rook782
Delusions of Granduer --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'll donate $10,000.00 to Bruce Springsteen's favorite charity. > > All he has to do is have a two-hour discussion with me about politics, > which I get to put on YouTube. > > Then we will

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Is Springteen Being Political?

2007-10-05 Thread MMMAPNJ
- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , "evosap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The bra burning thing was just a myth. So are the spitting on veterans stories. _Click here: vietnam veterans myth spit OR spitting - Google Search_ (http://www.google.com/search?as_q=vi

[AsburyPark] Re: Is Springteen Being Political?

2007-10-05 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "evosap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The bra burning thing was just a myth. > Okay, some burned, others just stopped wearing them. Ah, my youth. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: $10,000.00 to Bruce's Favorite Charity

2007-10-05 Thread MMMAPNJ
In a message dated 10/5/2007 2:05:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You don't need to have a discussion with him to judge his political acumen. I don't think that is what he was trying to do..prove his political prowess. It seems he is simply stating his concern about

[AsburyPark] Paramount Classic Movies

2007-10-05 Thread MMMAPNJ
In a message dated 10/5/2007 12:46:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've said many tines that Asbury Park should fill the viod left by the removal of entertainment and recreation from the surrounding area. Seems like a 'no-brainer' in terms of market potential. M

[AsburyPark] Re: $10,000.00 to Bruce's Favorite Charity

2007-10-05 Thread evosap
You don't need to have a discussion with him to judge his political acumen. I don't think that is what he was trying to do..prove his political prowess. It seems he is simply stating his concern about some recent events in our country...is he wrong? Did illegal wiretapping occur? Have people be

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Losing Soul ?

2007-10-05 Thread Chris
I'd add Minneapolis to that list too. Never made Lawrence but liked all the rest, particularly Portland. Your post about waking up on the bus brought back memories. In Dallas my first time there, out in the suburbs at the motel I was thinking how disorienting it was as the major landmarks were m

[AsburyPark] Is Springteen Being Political?

2007-10-05 Thread evosap
Or is he being a heartbroken American, talking about his experience the way so many celebrities do, though most of them, like so many Americans are too afraid to question, watch and feelgenuinely. Politics doesn't exist is some separate realm, vacuum-sealed from our daily lives, it exists all

[AsburyPark] Re: Losing Soul ?

2007-10-05 Thread Hinge
Cities in America that i've been to that still have soul; Madison, WI Lawrence, KA Seattle, WA Portland, OR Brooklyn, NY (many cool neighborhoods to discover) I'd be happy living any any of the above --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@y

[AsburyPark] Re: Why music and cookman ave don't work...

2007-10-05 Thread Hinge
"Capitalize on the baby boomers reaching an age for nostalgia minus any plastic Disney crap" Disney Crap = Red Bank Fake mainstreet lined with retail and expensive restaraunts --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/5/2007 12:46:11 P.M. Eas

[AsburyPark] Re: Why music and cookman ave don't work...

2007-10-05 Thread Hinge
I'm with you on that. Honestly, I'm bored with Monmouth County in general. The homogenized landscape bores me, and on a cultural and fun level, there's virtually nothing to do here anymore. I have to hop in my car and go to NYC to fill my need for entertainment. I wish there was an Asbury Park m

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Why music and cookman ave don't work...

2007-10-05 Thread MMMAPNJ
In a message dated 10/5/2007 12:46:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've said many tines that Asbury Park should fill the viod left by the removal of entertainment and recreation from the surrounding area. Seems like a 'no-brainer' in terms of market potential. M

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread MMMAPNJ
In a message dated 10/5/2007 8:34:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He's also a hypocrite. He was very critical of radio station owners who boycotted Dixie Chicks. Don't radio station owners have free speech rights? the airwaves belong to the public. Stupid Sup

[AsburyPark] Re: Why music and cookman ave don't work...

2007-10-05 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/5/2007 12:08:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Such as the disappearence of "Rooftop Golf" > Now it's apts. > Yikes > > > > Asbury Park should capitalize/exploit the disapp

[AsburyPark] Re: $10,000.00 to Bruce's Favorite Charity

2007-10-05 Thread Kevin Brown
You would have to put it up in 10 minute installments. You Tube will not allow 2 hour videos. Your 10,000 offer falls short of major networks. O'Rielly exposed both as story tellers last night, Bruce & Sean Penn. KB --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

[AsburyPark] Re: Losing Soul ?

2007-10-05 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > > > Great Article in today's Daily News: > > > > > It is uncontested that historic districts INCREASE property values. >===

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Why music and cookman ave don't work...

2007-10-05 Thread MMMAPNJ
In a message dated 10/5/2007 12:08:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Such as the disappearence of "Rooftop Golf" Now it's apts. Yikes Asbury Park should capitalize/exploit the disappearance of such stuff. Bring back some funk. OK to tweak it a little for these

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Why music and cookman ave don't work...

2007-10-05 Thread MMMAPNJ
In a message dated 10/5/2007 12:00:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What if the smell of pizza gets overwhelming? The old bigots in Spring Lake complained years ago when that Italian restaurant opened in the guest house on Ocean Ave. I forget the name of the pl

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: $10,000.00 to Bruce's Favorite Charity

2007-10-05 Thread MMMAPNJ
In a message dated 10/5/2007 11:24:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Then we will see his true level of political acuity, once and for all. Spin? Rhetori

[AsburyPark] Re: Losing Soul ?

2007-10-05 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Great Article in today's Daily News: > It is uncontested that historic districts INCREASE property values. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Asbu

[AsburyPark] Re: Losing Soul ?

2007-10-05 Thread wernerapnj
Great Article in today's Daily News: City Champions: Preserving the best of New York BY JASON SHEFTELL DAILY NEWS REAL ESTATE CORRESPONDENT Friday, October 5th 2007, 1:08 AM http://www.nydailynews.com/services/realestate/2007/10/04/2007-10- 04_city_champions_preserving_the_best_of_ne.html or

[AsburyPark] Renewal - WS

2007-10-05 Thread dfsavgny
ctober 5, 2007 In the Bronx, Blight Gave Way to Renewal By MANNY FERNANDEZ The cream-colored limousine pulled to a stop on Charlotte Street. It was not so much a street but a remnant of one, lined with barren lots, abandoned buildings and eight-foot-high piles of bulldozed bricks. President Jimmy

[AsburyPark] Re: Losing Soul ?

2007-10-05 Thread Hinge
Read this; http://www.kempinski-dresden.de/en/hotel/index.htm?id=1349 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > > > Dan, re: NYC > > > > What would be a comparable to Asbury Park in terms of NOT using a

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Why music and cookman ave don't work...

2007-10-05 Thread MMMAPNJ
In a message dated 10/5/2007 10:52:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's a ghost-town during the day and we all expect the merchants to keep regular hours and be open. Parking available everywhere yesterday in Red Bank between noon and 2 PM. Not much foot traffi

[AsburyPark] Re: Why music and cookman ave don't work...

2007-10-05 Thread Hinge
Such as the disappearence of "Rooftop Golf" Now it's apts. Yikes --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/5/2007 10:47:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > You buy or rent a place above a restaurant/bar or store and wha

Re: [AsburyPark] Prices of Eating Out.

2007-10-05 Thread MMMAPNJ
In a message dated 10/5/2007 10:48:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some people complain about the food prices and drink prices in Long Branch or Red Bank. Sticker shock yesterday at Red Bank's Dublin bar when the bill came for lunch For the most part, dining in

[AsburyPark] Re: Losing Soul ?

2007-10-05 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dan, re: NYC > > What would be a comparable to Asbury Park in terms of NOT using an > areas heritage? And conversly what's a good example of an are that DID > use its heritage? > > Any idea of sources for success/fai

[AsburyPark] Re: Why music and cookman ave don't work...

2007-10-05 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > > > The Downtown Redevelopment is another example of poor > > Planning from the start. > > > > It fell into the same trap as the Beachfront, believing that the

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Why music and cookman ave don't work...

2007-10-05 Thread MMMAPNJ
In a message dated 10/5/2007 10:47:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You buy or rent a place above a restaurant/bar or store and what do you expect. I think I told this already. Some newbie in gentrified Brooklyn complained to the city about the live poultry market ne

[AsburyPark] Re: Why music and cookman ave don't work...

2007-10-05 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Downtown Redevelopment is another example of poor > Planning from the start. > > It fell into the same trap as the Beachfront, believing that the > only ratables worth creating are residential. > > Of if people

[AsburyPark] Re: Why music and cookman ave don't work...

2007-10-05 Thread wernerapnj
The Downtown Redevelopment is another example of poor Planning from the start. It fell into the same trap as the Beachfront, believing that the only ratables worth creating are residential. Clearly this is false. If the Zoning had been appropriate and thought through, there would be Office us

[AsburyPark] Re: Losing Soul ?

2007-10-05 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" wrote: > > > >> Same goes for D.U.M.B.O in Brooklyn. > > DUMBO (Down Under the Manhattan Bridge Overpass) was coined and > created by David Walentas (Two Trees Management). In

[AsburyPark] FYI - There is a Dedicated Politics Group

2007-10-05 Thread wernerapnj
Top Subjects Group: AsburyPark Range: 30245 - Last # Subject Replies 1 Springsteen Answers Critics 37 2 Why music and cookman ave don''t work... 6 3 Losing Soul ? 1 4 Mayor''s Ball Article in Coaster Today 1 Postings Group: AsburyPark Range: 30245 - Last >From Posts

[AsburyPark] Re: $10,000.00 to Bruce's Favorite Charity

2007-10-05 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > wrote: > > > > > > Then we will see his true level of political acuity, once and for all. > > Spin? Rhetoric? How about "moment of truth." The opportunity to get p

[AsburyPark] Re: Losing Soul ?

2007-10-05 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Same goes for D.U.M.B.O in Brooklyn. DUMBO (Down Under the Manhattan Bridge Overpass) was coined and created by David Walentas (Two Trees Management). In fact, Walentas bought (from Helmsley Spear) almost the entire area o

[AsburyPark] Re: Losing Soul ?

2007-10-05 Thread Hinge
I agree. The parts of NYC that I've always loved, like the Meat Packing district and it's unique quality are so rapidly disappearing that it makes me sad. Same goes for D.U.M.B.O in Brooklyn. Both locations are/were gritty and to some casual observers downtrodden, but not to me. They both had a

[AsburyPark] Re: $10,000.00 to Bruce's Favorite Charity

2007-10-05 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Then we will see his true level of political acuity, once and for all. Spin? Rhetoric? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your

[AsburyPark] Re: $10,000.00 to Bruce's Favorite Charity

2007-10-05 Thread asburycouple
While I doubt he'll take you up on this at least you've shifted to a rationale position to take and offer to make. But telling him he has no right to speak his mind because of who he is? Come on. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'll donate

[AsburyPark] $10,000.00 to Bruce's Favorite Charity

2007-10-05 Thread justifiedright
I'll donate $10,000.00 to Bruce Springsteen's favorite charity. All he has to do is have a two-hour discussion with me about politics, which I get to put on YouTube. Then we will see his true level of political acuity, once and for all. I'm not kidding. Someone who reads this board must know h

[AsburyPark] Re: Losing Soul ?

2007-10-05 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Has NYC lost its soul? That was a great article. I read it this morning on the ferry. I meant to tell you about that Jane Jacobs exhibit. I hope I have time to go. I too thought of AP. You should scan www.curbed.com. O

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread asburycouple
Oh Tom, I'm not asking you not to talk at all - you feel free to continue ranting on. I wasn't trying to stop you from expressing your opinion or limit your first amendment rights in any way. Instead I was providing some friendly advice as you chase your ridiculous pov and argue any credibili

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread Hinge
We all have speech rights. That's the point, isn't it? It's one of the only founding principles we still have left to hold on to. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > wrote: > > > > Once again, you

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Once again, you don't know when to "cut and run" You keep asking me not to talk. That's how this got started, me telling Bruce to "shut up and sing" and folks telling me that he has speech rights. I don't? You l

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread Hinge
Actually I was talking to Oak, but you can join the band too. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" wrote: > > > > Justified. > > I'm expecting you to pick up and instrument and play with me :) > > I'd be thr

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > People tune into Bruce to hear music, in which he excels. For him to > give political speeches is irresponsible. If musicians or artists stayed out of politics we would be living under a totalitarian government (ma

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread asburycouple
Once again, you don't know when to "cut and run" --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > They have free speech rights but because they utilize PUBLIC > > radiowaves they DO NOT have the righ

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Justified. > I'm expecting you to pick up and instrument and play with me :) I'd be thrilled to have you teach me a few things. You having played with Bruce, it puts me one degree away from him in that Kevin Bacon game.

[AsburyPark] Re: Why music and cookman ave don't work...

2007-10-05 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Totally agree with you. And merchants are going to slowly bleed > until we get some white-collar businesses with daytime money to > spend. It's a ghost-town during the day and we all expect the > merchants to kee

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They have free speech rights but because they utilize PUBLIC > radiowaves they DO NOT have the right to boycott someone because of > their political views. That's a Fairness Doctrine argument. Very authoritarian - not li

[AsburyPark] Re: Why music and cookman ave don't work...

2007-10-05 Thread oakdorf
> > That is why there should be offices above on Cookman and not apts. > Wait until all the condos are built. Whee are you going to put the > entertainment? > Right. Offices. Where to put entertainment? From where the pony is down to the monster Wesley Grave. That will lead into the quiet zone

[AsburyPark] Re: Why music and cookman ave don't work...

2007-10-05 Thread asburycouple
Totally agree with you. And merchants are going to slowly bleed until we get some white-collar businesses with daytime money to spend. It's a ghost-town during the day and we all expect the merchants to keep regular hours and be open. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PRO

[AsburyPark] Re: Why music and cookman ave don't work...

2007-10-05 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Add to the lease - welcome to cookman ave. > > Music may be played and you may here it at 9pm. > That is why there should be offices above on Cookman and not apts. Wait until all the condos are built. Whee are you going

[AsburyPark] Prices of Eating Out.

2007-10-05 Thread oakdorf
Some people complain about the food prices and drink prices in Long Branch or Red Bank. For the most part, dining in Asbury isn't much different. That's because people want to make money and pay their rent or mortgage. Just an observation Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on t

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread Hinge
Justified. I'm expecting you to pick up and instrument and play with me :) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" wrote: > > > > I can't wait until I come out with my politically charged solo album > so I can hear yo

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And where would the TCN be without you're column? So heavily weighted on its left side it would fall over that way. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Asb

[AsburyPark] Re: Why music and cookman ave don't work...

2007-10-05 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Add to the lease - welcome to cookman ave. > > Music may be played and you may here it at 9pm. > You buy or rent a place above a restaurant/bar or store and what do you expect. I think I told this already. Some newbie in

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I can't wait until I come out with my politically charged solo album so I can hear you call me a > dope. > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > He will though. Every dope who cuts

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > He's also a hypocrite. He was very critical of radio station owners > who boycotted Dixie Chicks. Don't radio station owners have free > speech rights? You can always change the station, right? > They have

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When radio stations chose to stop > playing Dixie chick music, THEY were making a political statement. >The thing that the > Dixie Chicks said in London was a statement that one of them made >on stage. Free > Speech. I

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread asburycouple
His music has always been political Tom. Bruce has always taken stands and focused his creative talents on them. And he appears to be much more versed in it than you seem to feel. I'm guessing he's had political discussions with politicians and a cross-section of leaders and influencers you

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread Hinge
I can't wait until I come out with my politically charged solo album so I can hear you call me a dope. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > He will though. Every dope who cuts a record suddenly fancies > > himself a political theorist of the h

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread Hinge
Dude, you are talking yourself into a huge hole. You really are. Compare Bruce to Bob Dylan. By saying what you said below, then Bruce and Dylan should've just been instrumental artists, because people listen to the lyrics. Bruce isn't abusing anything because people have a choice. You either like

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...like stern, you have a choice to listen, to buy or subscribe or > argue about any of this. Unless of course I own a radio station. In Bruce's view, those Americans should have no choice, but be forced into a point of

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread oakdorf
> > He will though. Every dope who cuts a record suddenly fancies > himself a political theorist of the highest accord. > At least Clinton held his own. Charming. And where would the TCN be without you're column? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: htt

[AsburyPark] Re: Mayor's Ball Article in Coaster Today

2007-10-05 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The "appearance of impropriety" rules have slowly fallen out of favor, > because in practice it turned out to be so vague that it was unfair; > it made criticism for perfectly legal behavior too easy. Claims >

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread Hinge
Bruce doesn't control anything. He makes music. People who like his music, buy it, and listen to it. Same thing as Howard Stern. It's called "Free Will" And your Dixie Chick argument doesn't hold any steam. When radio stations chose to stop playing Dixie chick music, THEY were making a politica

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So in > your view famous people don't get the same rights as everyone >else? With power comes the responsibility not to abuse it. In TCN people read my column because of the politics - that's what I write about.

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread oakdorf
...like stern, you have a choice to listen, to buy or subscribe or argue about any of this. Now that I think of it, I ahven't heard Howard since he went to the pay for radio route nor do I have the time if I turn on the TV to watch. Life goes on. Like Howard, Bruce has done ok with the $ with

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread asburycouple
Again - the lamest argument Tom's ever made on this board. BTW Tom, Reagan certainly was trying to get the most out of Bruce when he attempted to use Born in the USA, I believe it was in his campaign. Bruce stopped him - but Reagan was certainly willing to try and leverage Bruce's work for his

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread asburycouple
Radio stations use public airwaves - are public domain. Apples and oranges in everyone's world but yours. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I want him to shut up because he does not deserve a wide audience on > politics. He gets the wide audi

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >He's not > bigger then the radio stations. He doesn't own radio. That's the opposite of what I said. Let me do a comparison. 1) I complained that Bruce controls a wide audience because of his music; shouldn't abuse that an

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread asburycouple
Tom, this may be the most lame argument I've ever heard you make. If I'm to understand correctly, because you are so learned in politics you can create your own blog, write here and in the TCN and try to sell your POV everywhere you can. But because Bruce is so much more famous and has spent

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread Hinge
He's always been political, whether it's blatantly, or subtly. Once again, he only speaks to the audience that chooses to listen to him, just like Howard Stern. If you don't like Bruce, you tune away and listen to something else. It's that simple. I can't honestly see how him speaking out agains

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread justifiedright
I want him to shut up because he does not deserve a wide audience on politics. He gets the wide audience on music, then abuses that by switching over. Also - he is a hypocrite. He is bigger than us, so he gets to speak to that wide audience. The radio stations are bigger than the Dixie Chic

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread Hinge
But why? Do you even know what he's saying? Do you want him to shut up just because he may be saying something you disagree with? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You should speak out. Bruce should shut up and sing. > > > --- In AsburyPark@yaho

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread justifiedright
I bet that you would miss the point. I won. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > awww. you don't have a microphone. life's tough. > > On Oct 5, 2007, at 8:34 AM, justifiedright wrote: > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" wrote: > > >

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread justifiedright
You should speak out. Bruce should shut up and sing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I can see a parallel here between me trying to moderate this group to this Bruce discussion > as it relates to what you call "microphone abuse" > I knew that when I po

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread Hinge
I can see a parallel here between me trying to moderate this group to this Bruce discussion as it relates to what you call "microphone abuse" I knew that when I posted what I said below it would make me look like a hypocrite. When you go see a Bruce show, you aren't going to hear him pontificate

[AsburyPark] Re: Why music and cookman ave don't work...

2007-10-05 Thread oakdorf
meant to say there to hear...\ don't want the spelling gurus to correct my many errors. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings onlin

[AsburyPark] Why music and cookman ave don't work...

2007-10-05 Thread oakdorf
Because Last night, at Market in the middle, my wife wanted to go here Stringbean and the Stalkers. 1. It's isn't easy to get her to go to AP - but we got there at 7.30 and had a nice table right in the OPEN doorway and started to enjoy ourselves. At 8:50, first one police csr pulls up, then a 2nd

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread Jersey Shore John
awww. you don't have a microphone. life's tough. On Oct 5, 2007, at 8:34 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Also, if somebody said to you "Hey Tommy - SHUT UP AND PRACTICE >LAW!!" I'd defend > you also. We all have the right to vo

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Also, if somebody said to you "Hey Tommy - SHUT UP AND PRACTICE >LAW!!" I'd defend > you also. We all have the right to voice our opinions. > It's just like the way people used to get angry about Howard Stern. >You have a

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread Hinge
Also, if somebody said to you "Hey Tommy - SHUT UP AND PRACTICE LAW!!" I'd defend you also. We all have the right to voice our opinions. It's just like the way people used to get angry about Howard Stern. You have a choice...listen, or tune away. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedri

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread Jersey Shore John
Hey justifiedright - SHUT UP!! On Oct 5, 2007, at 7:41 AM, Hinge wrote: BS. If you can have an opinion, so can he. And besides, what are you afraid of...that he might make somebody who is blissfully unaware think for a moment? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PRO

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread Hinge
BS. If you can have an opinion, so can he. And besides, what are you afraid of...that he might make somebody who is blissfully unaware think for a moment? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Bruce - SHUT UP AND SING!! > > > > > --- In Asbury

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

2007-10-05 Thread justifiedright
Hey Bruce - SHUT UP AND SING!! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > _Click here: Springsteen: Silence Is Unpatriotic, Rocker Answers Critics Who > Say He's Unpatriotic - The ShowBuzz_ > (http://www.showbuzz.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/04/music/main3330463 .shtml

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