Given the long and ugly history of dirty politics in Asbury that took a great
deal of effort to clean up over the past ten years it is extremely comforting
to see the BS that's been going on quicky and thoroughly investigated. No
matter who wins this election is too important to allow it to be
Every single allegation of sleazy and potentially illegal campaigning has been
about the A-Team. Asbury has a long history of shady politics that the Council
over the past ten years has worked hard to fix. Above all given that history,
Asbury needs to be a place that businesses, vistors and
In a message dated 4/30/2013 6:08:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
asburycouple@... writes:
Every single allegation of sleazy and potentially illegal campaigning has
been about the A-Team. Asbury has a long history of shady politics that the
Council over the past ten years
The A team... Let's see.. The most divisive members of our community claim
they are going to bring together the people of Asbury? Really? How did that
go with the City Council - where you couldn't work with anyone else until you
resigned early the last time you served? How did that go on
Has anyone heard anything on who the buyer is or what is planned?
This place has been such a source of crime and arrests I am thrilled to see it
finally being purchased. The press release from the reality company said major
renovations are planned and I know everyone needs to be out by March
.
In a message dated 1/20/2013 1:27:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
asburycouple@... writes:
Has anyone heard anything on who the buyer is or what is planned?
This place has been such a source of crime and arrests I am thrilled to
see it finally being purchased. The press
I agree with you completely. Not because of the political sentiment - I
respect everyone's right to feel however they do whether I agree or disagree -
but because anyone who would put this in their store window is so clearly a
racist I would never give them a dime of my money.
--- In
The last two days I had breakfast twice at Toast and later went to America's
Cup for coffee for 3 people. Frequently before paid parking I couldn't get a
spot and would wind up heading elsewhere or just giving up. Now I can get a
space so I can spend my money. All in all, I paid $2.25 to
Just like political candidates who have stated facts to only turn around and
disavow their accuracy because it was just something they heard I think you
have to be careful blaming something without the facts behind it. I actually
think paid parking will help merchants by making it easier to
We were watching up on the 7th ave beach, and it seemed like they ended in a
very strange way, without the big grande finale you would expect. Then minutes
later all the fire trucks rolled. Any idea what happened?
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Thanks to Gregory, Gregory and Sheila for standing strong and fighting for
change. Hopefully their efforts will result in restored sanity and balance to
the board.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mark D mark07712@... wrote:
ASBURY PARK Increasingly powerless because of deep divisions
report and hers, clearly WASN'T!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote:
Really, in the aftermath of a hurricane some reporter refers to someone
incorrectly and you want to turn it in to a conspiracy? You both are too
much
Really, in the aftermath of a hurricane some reporter refers to someone
incorrectly and you want to turn it in to a conspiracy? You both are too
much...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote:
Typical misinformation and distortion of the truth.
No - He does
For all who are braving the storm, hoping you all remain safe and things are ok
for the next few days. We bugged out - wasn't worth the risk with two young
kids - but thinking about everyone back in AP.
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The best news the Asbury Park school system has had in a long time. Maybe the
focus can finally get back to improving the education of the kids rather than
his own personal agenda and vendettas.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburysteve@... wrote:
_Asbury school board president
Wow, I'm sorry to hear that, but glad that it sounds like everyone is ok.
I hate to think the answer to what appears to be an attempt by gangs and thugs
to infect the boardwalk is to stop doing things like fireworks. Isn't that
really just throwing up our hands and saying you win?
I don't
I'd take those numbers!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote:
Camera's in Newark yield a 73% efficiency rate in catching criminals
Drops to 62% of catching them while the crime is in progress
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This seems like a fantastic idea from NY and Gov. Cuomo. We should think about
the same thing here.
Click to the whole article here -
http://governor.ny.gov/press/072911landbanklegislation
First few paragraphs...
Albany, NY (July 29, 2011)
Governor Andrew M. Cuomo today signed a law
For anyone who's interested, today on www.woot.com their deal of the day is a
four camera infrared surveillance system for $149. You can even see what's
going on via the internet or a mobile phone if you're not home. Thought it
might be interesting for those who are worries about security.
Add another thanks to Lowell, and to the state monitor. I just wish there was
something we could do to get the state to take over this damn school district.
Seriously, what a joke. Unfortunately the punch line is lost on all the kids
who in turn are lost in this stupidity.
--- In
So if I understand it correctly, for $30 a year you basically expect your own
dedicated parking space that's always available to you in front of your home
two blocks from the beach in a shore town mid-summer.
That would be awesome. But I can't think of a single shore town with a
boardwalk you
for a parking permit?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote:
So if I understand it correctly, for $30 a year you basically expect your
own dedicated parking space that's always available to you in front of your
home two blocks from the beach in a shore town mid
Does that thing even work?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote:
Has anyone received a traffic ticket for running a traffic signal 7th and
Kingsley?
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It should really be Madison Marquette that provides parking for employees, not
the city.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote:
I think charging boardwalk employee's $100 a year to park is absolutely
ridiculous. Why not just set aside an area for employee parking?
I don't think it's a fair comparison unless you look at places like Point
Pleasant, Seaside, etc., that are tourist/seasonal in nature. The entire
situation in places like Edgewater and Weehawkeen is different because they
aren't looking to capitalize on significant visitor revenue
I'm not disagreeing with you about that - just that it's not the city's
responsibility to do so. Madison Marquette/Asbury Partners has lots of space.
Rather than taking away from the city's revenue opportunities they should pave
over a space and designate it for employees.
--- In
They should get 100 per employee that wants to take a city spot that could
otherwise be generating revenue. That's why MM should be providing a lot that
doesn't require them to take the revenue generating spot. The city shouldn't
lose money on those spots simply because an employee parks
They should get 100 per employee that wants to take a city spot that could
otherwise be generating revenue. That's why MM should be providing a lot that
doesn't require them to take the revenue generating spot. The city shouldn't
lose money on those spots simply because an employee parks
The employees shouldn't be taking up revenue generating spaces for free. They
don't work for the city. They don't drive revenue to the city. The businesses
do. And they pay MM for the space. MM should be providing space to
accommodate as part of their leases with the businesses. It's not
I'm sorry to say that you are. Listen, I'd love to provide everyone free
parking. But every spot an employee takes removes some of that revenue you
site that these same businesses are generating. And it's not the city's job to
provide for businesses to support their workforce. I think way
biz's should step up to the
plate in this case. Also, there's a lot at Convention Hall. Who gets to park
there for free? MM employees?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote:
I'm sorry to say that you are. Listen, I'd love to provide everyone free
parking
But even in the example below only seniors parked for free - even residents
paid $55/year and up.
It was free here because for years nobody came. But now that's no longer the
case, and the city needs to drive revenue. Parking is free to anyone parking 2
blocks from Ocean Avenue, but the
While parking can be tough, as a taxpayer who's already paying enough in
property taxes I hope the city can drive significant revenue from parking, as
virtually every other shore town and city already does. It's the price we pay
for living in a town that has the kind of attraction that draws
LOVE Johnnie G's. Best mini meatball sandwiches on the shore.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote:
I diner in AP would rock. Do you ever go to Johnnie G's food cart on the
North Bwalk in the summer? Good stuff there.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf
Werner, I'm only going here because you brought it up...
There is a difference between constructive and destructive input. And too
often you tend to fall on the wrong side of that line.
We've traded comments on this board for many years, and I've always noted that
your tremendous
Not an expert, but I think this is a very good thing. It's amazing what a $20
million outstanding lien and 100 bucks can get you. I'd be pretty confident
that CapOne is not looking to hold onto this too long, which may finally lead
to some actual activity on the site. No lawsuits, no drawn
It's really amazing. Apparently the current school board's objective is to
hand over all decisions regarding the district to the state by default simply
by being so blatantly irresponsible and negligent that the state monitor gets
to over-rule literally every vote they take.
In this case the
I don't think they should get health insurance. If these were positions that
kept them from working full-time, thus having access to employer-based
healthcare options, I'd feel differently. But these are not full-time
positions and are designed to be volunteer. So instead, this appears to be
I've never understood what's kept Asbury Park from getting tough on those who
leave abandoned buildings to rot. It should be so expensive and hard to manage
an abandoned property that literally it would be more cost efficient to knock
it down that to let it sit there. That's really the only
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I don't think they should get health insurance. If these were positions
that kept them from working full-time, thus having access to employer-based
healthcare options, I'd feel differently. But these are not full-time
positions and are designed
Would be an excellent solution.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote:
The Asbury Park High School Building should be a regional vocational training
center... The Culinary Arts School is already there. Just add an Automotive
School, Plumbing/Pipe Fitting
Dear NJ state government. Please either close the Asbury Park school system
and fold it in with others or take over the district completely and clean
house. When is enough enough already? Asbury Park - the city - has come so
far. Asbury Park - the school system - has gone backwards.
And
Let me preface this with I'm a Democrat - so I'm not someone who's politically
inclined to defend Gov Christie.
So with that said, if he does have a target on the AP school system, hasn't the
school system really put the target there and doesn't it belong? If the school
board had moved to
It shouldn't be surprising to anyone that the state monitor had to step in and
act to close the school - this board's failure to act in either accepting the
reorganization proposal put forward or closing the school on their own is
business as usual.
But what's most amazing, for one of the
I don't know whether this is the right or wrong thing to do - honestly it
sounds like a knee-jerk reaction to the learning centers proposal having
stalled. But what's amazing to me in reading the articles on the school
board's recent activity is how clear it is that absolutely nothing will
No loss there. I think that may be the only restaurant in Asbury I've ever
been unwilling to go back to. Tried three times and on each occasion the food
sucked and the service stunk.
A boardwalk tale of survival of the fittest...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@...
I couldn't agree with you more Oak. Asbury Park in the 50's and before was
great for it's time. Then it didn't change with the times and went into it's
long, slow death march. The goal should be to continue to build the best, most
fun and most unique shore destination for the next decade.
If I remember correctly one of the decision points that led to the decision to
remove the tress is that many of the trees were approaching the typical
life-span for that variety of tree. I can't quite remember where I read that,
but I know I did somewhere.
30-40 year old trees are not
Beyond being really cool to watch as they knocked it down (I would have loved
to be operating that machine!), I was so glad to see that come down. I live on
8th Ave and it had really become an eyesore.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote:
as the vacant apartments
Yeah, it's amazing sometimes to hear the comments on this board. I for one am
astonished by the turn-around that's in progress but still relatively new
(while there was grassroots efforts, really not much major happened until 3-4
years ago). Is it perfect - no, but it never will be. It never
I thought everything going on this weekend was fantastic for the boardwalk, the
city and for those merchants who have bet the ranch to make it here.
Regardless of the initial intent of the Road Trip, it was a reason (along with
Tiesto) for thousands of people to come here and spend money,
Tom, Google Adwords is pretty cool and extremely easy to use. You just
go to google.com/adwords and register, then the tool walks you through
everything you need to know about creating a campaign, from choosing
the right keywords and geography to setting daily dollar limits on
spending. And
Mario, I started an advertising agency about a year ago and Linkedin
has been one of the greatest tools I have to both prospect new
business and find resources I need for specialized functions. I
really don't know whether we would have survived without Linkedin.
I'd be happy to give you a
Gabrielle, at the risk of reigniting this issue on this board, that
may be the greatest oversimplification of this situation I've seen.
There are always two sides to every argument and they are rarely as
simple as the good one and the bad one
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre
Those kind of tactics in his arguments is why for the most part
I've stopped getting into political discussions with Tom on the
board. It just gets old...
Unfortunate, because stepping past the BS I believe he has much to
add...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
] wrote:
Newbie and AsburyCouple,
By Strawman you two are alleging that I have misstated Mario's
position.
The sure test of that is for Mario to state it to see if it is
different than I said.
You two however, having thrown the allegation at me, are then
asserting you know his position
?
but tommy's got a point with the columbus day bashers. and i have
been one of them.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
justifiedright@ wrote:
Newbie and AsburyCouple,
By Strawman you two are alleging that I have misstated Mario's
position.
The sure test
] wrote:
Well Mario, in the achives you said you would not say that you
support public money for Kwanzaa.
This year, you seem to be milking that your silence has people
thinking the opposite.
So I don't have to be accused of a strawman, clear it up.
Tell us what Newbie and AsburyCouple
Of course Tom is very pro America, so if you don't agree with him you
are anti-America. Stop hiding beind all that patriotic decoration.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 11/9/2008 10:17:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm also very happy with the progress and work that's been done on
the boardwalk. That said as a homeowner and taxpayer I do think
setting expectations that are wildly missed goes well
beyond marketing as the city must plan for the revenues promised
per the promises made. Honestly I'd have
Even Pat Buchanan and several other conservatives gave Obama high
marks for his first press conference. And while he made the comment
about Nancy Reagan he clearly meant no harm and had the class and
self-awareness to quickly recognize the mistake and proactively call
her personally to
are ignoring it and going straight for the
other stuff.
What does that mean?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@
wrote:
Even Pat Buchanan and several other conservatives gave Obama high
marks for his first press conference. And while he made the
comment
I don't know the right answer. However Tom, you asked for more
clarification on my prior post. Well, here it is below. The world
is completely black and white. Your point of view is 100% right, and
those who disagree are proactively villified:
'Environmentalists' will oppose it at all
.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@
wrote:
Werner, with all the BS flying back and forth on this board right
now
I never thought I could be so grateful to see you complain about
lighting
Werner, with all the BS flying back and forth on this board right now
I never thought I could be so grateful to see you complain about
lighting!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@
wrote
Come on, don't those of you going back and forth on some of these
issues realize you are all getting out of hand? Can you please cool
it. I agree with Tom that political discussions are inevitable during
the next month, but you have all moved well past a political
discussion. Can we please
Here we go folks... Get ready for three days of off-topic back and
forth.
Paul, why start this debate up?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Palin may or may not be qualified to be Vice President of the United
States. What should be of concern to most
Actually Paul, I apologize. While I disagree with you completely I
flipped backward and realized you didn't start this topic, just changed
the subject line.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Palin may or may not be qualified to be Vice President of the
And Werner congratulations to you for your arrogance and hypocrasy
(throwing stones at others for atleast attempting to improve things
while refusing to improve your own eye-sore)
Big talk for someone hiding behind an anonymous id. Too bad
personal, ad-homonym BS
is all you have. If
, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@
wrote:
And Werner congratulations to you for your arrogance and hypocrasy
(throwing stones at others for atleast attempting to improve things
while refusing to improve your own eye-sore
.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@
wrote:
Funny Werner, I've never heard you offer to pay the cost other's
would
incur to do things your way on the structures you do not own...
So I
guess
ok Werner, as you have all the answers how would you
recommend properly cleaning it because I for one would prefer a
vacant lot to a crime infested crack den.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Yes throw away the refrigerator because some food in it went
Seriously, has not one person posted anything today or is this what
things are going to be like in a moderated world, where it takes hours
for posts to get put up. If that's the case I guess I'm out of here,
too. And that would really be too bad.
Of course if this goes right up atleast I'll
for me to approve it after it was sent to Yahoo.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@
wrote:
Seriously, has not one person posted anything today or is this what
things are going to be like in a moderated world, where it takes
hours
for posts to get put up
Case in point about the moderation delay. This was written at 3:02
today and posted after 6pm.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, theshortsalepro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Years ago, before Kevin Brown purchased the building from which he
was
asked to vacate, a previous owner faced with
Thanks. In reality, things are going to go off topic every once in a
while. And it will last for a day or two before returning to where
we should be focused. But I think the learning here is that is far
preferable than having a moderated group.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,
Please ask for PROOF of the evangelizing. I never got the
impression that they demand some sort of conversion. If I am such a
mess that I end up in a shelter like that, being told that the Jesus
version of a path to god is the best is not going to hurt me too much.
Some proof that they
not appreciate you doing to to her
either. Tom, every once in a while you lose argument. Period.
But you could never actually live with that...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
AsburyCouple you picked out the non-relevant quotes where
Finally something you and I agree on Tom. I thought Yahoo was having
problems as my posts didn't appear for hours. Now I know why.
This board sometimes spun out of control with off-topic BS, but
generally within a couple of days things would quiet back down. The
spontaneous back and forth
While we can all quibble over wording Tom, what I believe people are
trying to articulate is that the real problem with the mission was
attracting the homeless from a broad area into Asbury with the
promise of food and a place to sleep, only to discard the vast
majority of them onto the
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thats quite different than what the others said.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@
wrote:
While we can all quibble over wording Tom, what I believe people
are
trying to articulate is that the real
not.
That's probably where it ends.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@
wrote:
Again, we can quibble over specific words used but I believe what
I
wrote was the intent of both Paul's initial statement and
the
others who have commented in this dialog
@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@
wrote:
No, I just don't add to or modify people's statement that put them
out of context.
I would agree with your point of view on this if it was what they
actually said. As I said in my initial note, I can see how you
interpreted things
The owner (that's what he said he was atleast) was selling a few things
a month ago and I asked him about it. He said they still were using
the garage for storage. They knocked down the old part because it was
a hazard but will be knocking the rest down this fall.
Who knows if that's true...
I also didn't read it as fighting against Christianity Tom but also
could understand how you might take it that way.
I read it as them saying their objective was to help the homeless
when the actual goal was to circulate a large number of homeless
through the system so they could find a
Kudos to the Snack Attack - they have the best food I've had on any
boardwalk, and don't just have the usual heart attack fare but also
have great more healthy options to choose from.
Personally I highly recommend the gyro and an outstanding cheesesteak.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,
I couldn't agree with David Duncan more and disagree with you more
Werner.
When they came here everything on the boardwalk was in a
way obsolete - either unused or bandaided together with vendors
slapped in to fill space.
Since then the most important historical landmarks have either been
I'm a big believer in setting a small number of simple to measure and
clearly defined goals that when added up will deliver on a vision.
This is as applicable for a city as it is for a business. And few
places is it more needed than Asbury Park.
So here's one that I believe would be to
I agree. Few companies would have done anything beyond trying to get
rid of the cats as soon as possible - and there is no alterior
benefit to what their doing beyond simply being good human beings.
Also, I was on the boardwalk last night for a few hours, including
for the fireworks. It was
That would be great. I hate that space being all closed off and
vacant.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
wesley grove sales office??
I just got back from geting a dog at the mayfair. They laid out a
Wesley Grove Doormat at what was the Esperanza
We were on the 7th avenue beach watching over the top of Convention
Hall. We were absolutely amazed at how many people were on the north
side of CH. Five years ago there weren't as many on the entire
boardwalk for the fireworks.
And how great was the boardwalk all day yesterday. The kids
Just wondering - were there ever any serious offers to buy and restore
the Palace? Saving something like that requires both good intentions
and the financial resources and business plan that will fund it's
restoraton and deliver profits once that's done.
I don't remember hearing of any real
Just wondering - were there ever any serious offers to buy and restore
the Palace? Saving something like that requires both good intentions
and the financial resources and business plan that will fund it's
restoraton and deliver profits once that's done.
I don't remember hearing of any real
Jack - just drove by and they are coming down! It's amazing how much is going
on down
right now! The first ave pavilliion is competely gutted.
Also saw a couple of guys in hard hats moving some things around the Esperanza
- anything
new there?
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Got to agree with you on this Tom. For those relatively few who are
super close to Asbury and really understand it's past Brand Asbury
means history and nostalgia. But for the overwhelming majority of
people the brand is really defined by the past 30 years of decline,
crime and decay. The
I agree. Kind of shocking actually.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's a link to the Chamber's Website showing what they have
planned
for Dr. King's day:
http://www.asburyparkchamber.com/calendar/
Don't bother clicking - they have
While I hate to say it I tend to agree. Generally officers on
horseback are ideal for crowd management and control given their sheer
size and intimidation factor. While I look forward to the day we need
the horses for crowd control that day has not yet arrived.
--- In
Yeah, it's ridiculous. This literally could have happened anywhere,
and if it did happen in another town the headline would have simply
read Couple jailed, accused of having drugs, porn around children.
The fact that they are from AP is irrevelant in this case.
--- In
Yes, it is great that the city definitely drew a line in the sand
demanding a response in 72 hours - and did so publically for everyone
to see. But whenever someone does that they need to first consider
how to:
1. continue to make the process transparent so people know they are
actually
I agree, as long as it doesn't spew into one of those infamous
tangents we're all known for :-)
But I don't think you need political parties to have the kind of
dismissive polarization discussed in the article you posted Tom. For
instance, while I don't always agree with him I think Jim Keady
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