Why don't you use TP? Do you have recommendation for external DAC to
compete with TP
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opaqueice;233551 Wrote:
The problem is that the signal is _not_ exactly the same. It's pretty
easy to measure the differences between cables. What's much harder is
to hear them...
Then the conclusion is simple: the cables are not equal.
Which one is better is a different question and IMHO
Pat Farrell;233614 Wrote:
Robin Bowes wrote:
Of course 1 + 1 = 2 - that's been mathematically proven.
Actually, its usually defined as being true.
One of my favorite courses (I've got a Mathematics BS) was looking at
the minimal number of hypothesis that you can have, and proving
... What has happened in the last few years is that good
enough audio gear is available at reasonable prices ..
Very true. I just moved to a small apartment temporarily, and no way
could I take my audiophile shrine with me. Way too big, too demanding.
So I bought some AudioEngine 5s based
servies wrote:
Pat Farrell;233614 Wrote:
Robin Bowes wrote:
Of course 1 + 1 = 2 - that's been mathematically proven.
Actually, its usually defined as being true.
One of my favorite courses (I've got a Mathematics BS) was looking at
the minimal number of hypothesis that you can have, and
gwnzen;233753 Wrote:
Why don't you use TP? Do you have recommendation for external DAC to
compete with TP
If by TP you mean a transporter, I did try one. The digital output
sounded exactly the same as running the SB3 through the Apogee Big Ben,
which I already owned.
I had no use for the
Yes, any thing or any ritual might make you happier about the sound. IME
a blind test can make you happier about the sound too (when you discover
something you thought you liked makes no difference or makes it worse).
Whatever floats your boat mentally. The crucial difference is that
blind tests
Robin Bowes;233781 Wrote:
servies wrote:[color=blue]
Pat is not an audiophile. I am not an audiophile. I can't speak for
Pat, but I'm a music enthusiast with a background in audio engineering
(I have a degree in Electracoustics, worked in recording studios,
worked on live sound, etc). I
servies wrote:
In that case: why does it seem like you have a problem with debunking a
possible fraud?
I don't. That's not what this is about.
If they claim that their cable is superb compared to
others, why can't I ask them to proof it with a valid test.
The key word here is valid. What
Robin,
That was a very balanced and well reasoned post.
I suspect many people agree with that middle of the road opinion.
I certainly do.
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Pablolie,
I tunes+ has no DRM so you don't need to do anything with those files.
My understandong of lossy files is that when you reimport them with
another lossy format it will reduce even further the original file even
if you reimport at a higher lossy bit rate because you are lossing data.
Seconded.
I am willing to accept there are things out there we can't measure but
we can nonetheless perceive. Cables don't appear to be one of them,
they are very well understood...if there were any small-scale
variations that had large-scale effects electrical delivery systems
would be
I like apples better than pears (excuse the pun) but that doesn't make
one BETTER than the other, just DIFFERENT. As a fan of Randi, I find it
impossible to validate a claim that one thing is better than another.
It's all subjective, like most things in life. So not only is this a
stupid
Just found this pic of the Linn klimax DS , looks xtremly well build.
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20071005/ina1_04.jpg
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harmonic
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I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm way out to lunch here.
Look, we're talking about interconnects here, right? So wouldn't the
'benchmark' be no interconnect at all? - that is, the signal at the
output of the amp is the signal at the speaker post - no interconnect.
Hmmm... so how do we put
Yes, absolutely, the best a cable can do is nothing whatsoever. The
perfect cable is not danceable, does not have a cavernous
soundstage or possess bottomless bass. It just passes the signal
through, whatever it may contain - and that might be rubbish -
unchanged.
We all know the truth about
tomjtx;233830 Wrote:
Pablolie,
I tunes+ has no DRM so you don't need to do anything with those files.
But doesn't Slimserver transcode on the fly there, since I don't think
it supports I-Tunes AAC as a native format? I only see the option to
stream AAC as MP3, FLAC or one of the other
Streaming as flac shoud be fine.
My ALAC files stream as wav or flac and they sound great.
I might , as much as I hate lossy files, buy 1 Itunes + file to test
it.
I wish Itunes supported flac and sold flac or alac files: that would be
my couch potato dream :-)
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tomjtx
Let's get back to reality for a second.
Wes Phillips in Stereophile said the TP rivaled the Ayre universal
player which is considered one of the best digital playbacks around.
He then put a cheap Oppo universal feeding TP and he said that combo
rivaled the Ayre with DVD A and other high res
tomjtx;233847 Wrote:
...
I wish Itunes supported flac and sold flac or alac files: that would be
my couch potato dream :-)
Among other dreams (a disturbing number of them involving Swedish
flight attendant twins :-)) , this definitely is a re-ocurring one!
I-Tunes selling FLACs... that would
Well besides the stereophil review , it seem that the trasnporter gets
beaten by even a modest cd player, just look at the norweogen review ,
the Rega player beat it in there system.
And there are usaly very entuiastic about the gear the review.
And what about the latest review at TNT-Audio
Robin Bowes;233798 Wrote:
Human ears, or more accurately, the human hearing system is an amazing
piece of kit and is capable of doing things computers can only dream
of.
That is why I am sceptical about the we can measure more than we can
hear approach.
R.
I think you're giving the
If you read between the lines of the Stereophile review it is clear that
he thinks the TP is as good but has to give a nod to the Ayre.
WP kept the TP in his system and keeps refering to it in later reviews,
eg. the oppoTP combo. The fact it is the main digital source in his
system speaks for
pablolie;233613 Wrote:
The reason I do not want to do the latter [convert to FLAC instead of
MP3] is because, sometime down the line, I want to remember the quality
of the source. The 192k MP3 to me is a constant reminder that, perhaps,
sometimes, I should upgrade the file. If I store it as
harmonic;233852 Wrote:
i never said enything about if it sounded better then the TP
I wouldn't be surprised if the transporter sounds broken in
comparison, you said. That is saying something about it.
It's ok to agree to disagree, but you can't have it both ways.
Darren
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servies;233853 Wrote:
I think you're giving the human hearing system to much credit. It's
extremely limited and it's very limited in it's capabilities of
accurately processing sound. The dynamic range is pretty small as is
its frequencyrange or directional capabilities. Compared to the
tomjtx;233859 Wrote:
If you read between the lines of the Stereophile review it is clear that
he thinks the TP is as good but has to give a nod to the Ayre.
WP kept the TP in his system and keeps refering to it in later reviews,
eg. the oppoTP combo. The fact it is the main digital source in
darrenyeats;233872 Wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the transporter sounds broken in
comparison, you said. That is saying something about it.
It's ok to agree to disagree, but you can't have it both ways.
Darren
Assuming somthing is not the same as concluding somthing.
I really hope its
harmonic;233877 Wrote:
The norwegin reviewer is just as professional about it as WP.
The last thing i am is narrow minded , if you knew the true meanning
of the word you would know.
I dont care who or have the created it i only care about have it
sounds.
Thats OPEN minded, you cant
harmonic;233882 Wrote:
but based apone what people outside this forum say about the transporter
i wouldent be suprised if it sounds ALOT better.
You've done it again, you used the phrase I wouldn't be surprised...
to say something provocative and yet without really saying it. It
doesn't help
tomjtx;233885 Wrote:
I never said the TP couldn't be improved upon.
I have questioned modders simply throwing parts at it and assuming that
will make it better. Careful RD will no doubt usher in the TP2 someday.
You are either unable to understand my previous posts or you are
purposely
darrenyeats;233893 Wrote:
You've done it again, you used the phrase I wouldn't be surprised...
to say something provocative and yet without really saying it. It
doesn't help me understand anything.
Darren
If you hear that ferrari is coming out with a new top model car ,
issent it alright
just look at the picture and see what my pint is.
http://www.flatearth.jp/mgf/archives/2007/10/linn_klimax_ds.shtml
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Harmonic,
Is it your assertion that more aluminum makes it sound better? Or is it
the color of the solder mask? Or the size of the connectors?
I think there are far more important factors than those, and by merely
comparing pictures of circuit boards I can not make a meaningful
assessment of
I was refering to tom and others that said that the klimax ds price
compared to what you get.
Solid Alu casing of this caliber is very expensiv to make and will
have a positiv influence on the sound.
(Interresting thourgt a Transporter reference version where it was
build into a similar
harmonic;233911 Wrote:
Solid Alu casing of this caliber is very expensiv and will have a
positiv influence on the sound.
How so?
And don't quote that vibration reduction malarkey.
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I realize this is a slimdevices forum , not a none biased audio forum
what did i expect ? , all the bad comments about the Klimas DS are
given.
Transporter has one obvious big advantage and its the preamp function.
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harmonic
harmonic;233911 Wrote:
I dont know have it sounds compared to the transporter wich is the
hundred dollar questian , however based apone linns history in
makeing transending sources and the first reviews and comments on its
sound i know where i would put my bet in a direct
harmonic;233919 Wrote:
I realize this is a slimdevices forum , not a none biased audio forum
what did i expect ? , all the bad comments about the Klimas DS are
given.
Transporter has one obvious big advantage and its the preamp function.
YOU are the one who is prejudiced. You haven't
harmonic;233900 Wrote:
I was not refering to eny modders or have to improve the transporter,
that is a intirely different thread.
I dont see what relevance this have with the klimax DS vs the
transporter .
Thats just being a idiot
No, harmonic, that is being sarcastic.
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tomjtx
harmonic;233919 Wrote:
all the bad comments about the Klimas DS are given.
I didn't have a bad comment. Machined aluminum castings look really
cool. Not $20K cool, but cool.
My only comment was how will they improve the sound? You appear to
know before you hear it.
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Mark Lanctot
dcote;231480 Wrote:
...
at the end of day, unfortunately, not the quality of the box counts, it
is how good the marketing works which decides who wins a market or not.
:-(
Mind you, the product still has to get the job done. Marketing relies
on some substance for long lasting success.
servies wrote:
Robin Bowes;233798 Wrote:
Human ears, or more accurately, the human hearing system is an amazing
piece of kit and is capable of doing things computers can only dream
of.
That is why I am sceptical about the we can measure more than we can
hear approach.
R.
I think you're
harmonic;233911 Wrote:
I was refering to what tom and others said about the klimax ds price
compared to what you get.
You are misunderstanding my point , my point was that it is expensiv to
make.
Solid Alu casing of this caliber is very expensiv and will have a
positiv influence on
I think servies has a point, actually. What's really amazing about
human hearing is our ability to process the data and extract useful
information from it, not the ears themselves.
One interesting thing is to estimate (using Shannon) the maximum
information capacity of a human ear/brain
opaqueice wrote:
I think servies has a point, actually. What's really amazing about
human hearing is our ability to process the data and extract useful
information from it, not the ears themselves.
One interesting thing is to estimate (using Shannon) the maximum
information capacity of a
Such a fascinating debate. Engineers that need a visual representation,
a test, to determine a difference, and audiophiles who supposedly can
hear things that can't be tested by manufactured equipment. I guess
that last sentence sounds a bit tilted and maybe that gives away my
perspective.
To
Ok so I have some mixed feelings on this whole cable thing, I have
decent cables under $100 per cable/pair or half that price. I have a
lot of heartburn with all this smoke and mirrors routine for ultra
expensive audio cables and now power cables are the flavor of the day.
I have been to CES
I did an accidental blind test when I first got my SB3. I was ripping my
1500+ CD collection in batches and I would listen to the CD's after they
were loaded assesing the SB3's sound. Everything sounded great to me but
then one batch sounded like something was 'wrong'. I looked into it and
I had
Will your local dealers let you take home the power cables and test them
yourself? If a dealer will let you take home a power conditioner and
all the cables you need to power your system with a no questions asked
return policy, why not take them home and try them. Personally, I'm
very surprised
fred7;233970 Wrote:
I did an accidental blind test when I first got my SB3. I was ripping my
1500+ CD collection in batches and I would listen to the CD's after they
were loaded assesing the SB3's sound. Everything sounded great to me but
then one batch sounded like something was 'wrong'. I
Not sure if this is the right place to ask this but, I want to rip
everything to an external hard drive and if needed copy and past those
music files to another. I know with Itunes, if used to rip, once you
move the file either one or the complete collection, tags are gone. It
seems that with WMP
I use dBpoweramp. I prefert the control, as well as the fact it performs
binary checks and presents them. WMP and ITunes supposedly do those too,
but keep them as hidden background tasks.
With ITunes I greatly dislike the amount of contro, it tries to
exercise. Hands off my media. With WMp I
Robin Bowes;233963 Wrote:
I don't know the answer, but I'll take that bet. Beer?
You're on. Being an ocean apart we're probably both pretty safe on
this one :-).
Actually I'm cheating a little because I once attended a seminar on
human vision, and (while I don't recall the details) I do
musiklov3r;233966 Wrote:
And I think you have to listen at louder levels, at least 85db so that
you can hear the detail of the recording and experience any distortion
or coloration that might mask detail. Sometimes just hitting a higher
volume level will reveal a cable's harshness on
Mark Lanctot;233987 Wrote:
Do that for a couple of hours a day and you won't have to worry about
detail any more.
Unless of course one is already at that level, then I vote for 90db.
Makes for a more revealing system and bankbook.
.
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