Susan Boyle sings on Britains Got Talent, interesting story

2009-04-13 Thread Vivec
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/4853639/12942069 "Susan Boyle (remember that name) became a Web phenomenon after singing "I Dreamed a Dream" from Les Miserables. The performance brought the audience to its feet and left the judges (including Simon Cowell) either speechless or in tears. Before goin

Re: Obama New Detainee Policy

2009-04-13 Thread Scott Stroz
So, Gitmo would have been OK with you if it was in Iraq? On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > I don't know. > > Afghanistan = war zone. > > war zone != laws as normal > > I have no problem with keeping prisoners in a war zone using long-held > prisoner of war rules, includ

Re: My New Job as LPT

2009-04-13 Thread Gruss Gott
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Re: My New Job as LPT

2009-04-13 Thread Charlie Griefer
I guess that'd be subjective. For me personally, even if it's my wife on the other side, I'd prefer to not be catching. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Scott Raley wrote: > > Does it matter as long as it's the opposite sex on the other side? > > -Original Message- > From: Charlie Grief

RE: My New Job as LPT

2009-04-13 Thread Scott Raley
Guess I have to see what the benefits are over there... -Original Message- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 6:00 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: My New Job as LPT Is that a job with Jacob's firm? On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Scott Raley

RE: My New Job as LPT

2009-04-13 Thread Scott Raley
Does it matter as long as it's the opposite sex on the other side? -Original Message- From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:charlie.grie...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 6:00 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: My New Job as LPT Pitchin' or catchin'? On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Sc

Re: My New Job as LPT

2009-04-13 Thread Charlie Griefer
hehe. he said "Jacob's firm" On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > Is that a job with Jacob's firm? > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Scott Raley wrote: >> >> I'm studying to be certified as a Licensed Penetration Tester so I can get a >> new job. >> >> >> >> "The Most P

Re: My New Job as LPT

2009-04-13 Thread Jerry Johnson
Congrats, BTW. I admit to _zero_ skills along that line, and admire anyone who "gets" it. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Scott Raley wrote: > > I'm studying to be certified as a Licensed Penetration Tester so I can get a > new job. > > > > "The Most Prestigious Certification for Penetration

Re: My New Job as LPT

2009-04-13 Thread Charlie Griefer
Pitchin' or catchin'? On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Scott Raley wrote: > > I'm studying to be certified as a Licensed Penetration Tester so I can get a > new job. > > > > "The Most Prestigious Certification for Penetration Testing Professionals" > > > > http://www.eccouncil.org/lpt.htm > > >

Re: My New Job as LPT

2009-04-13 Thread Jerry Johnson
Is that a job with Jacob's firm? On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Scott Raley wrote: > > I'm studying to be certified as a Licensed Penetration Tester so I can get a > new job. > > > > "The Most Prestigious Certification for Penetration Testing Professionals" > > > > http://www.eccouncil.org/lpt

My New Job as LPT

2009-04-13 Thread Scott Raley
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Re: Vivec! O is Coming To T-n-T

2009-04-13 Thread Gruss Gott
> JJ wrote: > It is your _big_ chance! > Genius!! All you gotta do, Vivec, is come up with Phase 2 and you're golden. A billion is a small number to pay for such an opportunity. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most

Re: Vivec! O is Coming To T-n-T

2009-04-13 Thread Jerry Johnson
When else will the island have the chance for so many (presumably) high class underpants. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gnomes_plan.png It is your _big_ chance! On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Vivec wrote: > > Yesh. > It's a big thing. > Air Force 1 is landing with an 'escort' of about 18

Re: Vivec! O is Coming To T-n-T

2009-04-13 Thread Gruss Gott
> Vivec wrote: > country of just 1.2 million people is spending almost 1 billion dollars on > this summit. > > Don't get me started. > 8-0 Holy crap! Course, isn't it a good opportunity to put TnT on the map, so to speak? ~| A

Re: Vivec! O is Coming To T-n-T

2009-04-13 Thread Vivec
Yesh. It's a big thing. Air Force 1 is landing with an 'escort' of about 18 fighters. A hangar was retrofitted over the last few months just to accomodate the planes. There are travel restrictions throughout Trinidad from Thursday to Sunday. Lots of disruption. country of just 1.2 million people

Vivec! O is Coming To T-n-T

2009-04-13 Thread Gruss Gott
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is allowing Americans to make unlimited trips and money transfers to family in Cuba and easing other restrictions Monday to usher in a new era of openness toward the island nation ruled by communists for 50 years. blah blah blah With the changes, Obama aims to

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Michael Dinowitz
It doesn't matter if 1 and 2 are totally useless, it's the 'thought' that counts. Without fair warning, a claim could be made of mistaken identity or the like. Better to show good intentions to the law than not. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > Dino wrote: > > 4. Just to

Re: Obama New Detainee Policy

2009-04-13 Thread Gruss Gott
> JJ wrote: > > No, we paid bounty for any people other people we didnt really know > very well said were "combatants" captured "on the battlefield". Yeah, that's what I said. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most impor

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dino wrote: > 4. Just to be safe, a few warning shots near or over (but not at) the > closing ship. > 5. If this all fails, remove the threat. > (1.) That's a great legal readout. (2.) That's a great there-are-no-other-factors-to-consider analysis. (3.) Both #1 & #2 are probably totally usel

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Michael Dinowitz
"According to international law, piracy takes place outside the normal jurisdiction of a state, without state authority, and is private, not political, though acts of unlawful warfare, acts of insurgents and revolutionaries, mutiny, and slave trading have been defined as piracy by national laws of

Re: Obama New Detainee Policy

2009-04-13 Thread Gruss Gott
> jj wrote: > Including a number of people that were "sold" to us for bounty, with > no real idea of what they did. Captured in a dozen different countries > (not just countries we are "at war" with or in. > Zackly. We paid bounty for any "combatants" captured on the "battlefield".

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Gruss Gott
> JJ wrote: > > Gruss, you need to do a little deeper reading on this. > > The pirates are not Islamisists. As a matter of fact, they are often > at the end of guns fighting with the Islamisists. They are not the > same groups. > > And shooting toward a Western plane at the airport is _not_ news.

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Jerry Johnson
Gruss, you need to do a little deeper reading on this. The pirates are not Islamisists. As a matter of fact, they are often at the end of guns fighting with the Islamisists. They are not the same groups. And shooting toward a Western plane at the airport is _not_ news. lol. that is called "Monda

Re: Obama New Detainee Policy

2009-04-13 Thread Jerry Johnson
No, we paid bounty for any people other people we didnt really know very well said were "combatants" captured "on the battlefield". Which turns out now was often not true. people were actually kidnapped and sold to settle family and business feuds, not because they were terrorists. And they were t

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dino wrote: > firm hand in the past and we should do so in the present and future. If the > Somalis have a beef with the Mafia or the Europeans then they should take it > up with them. Attacking American ships results in one response - the removal > of the threat. They are attacking random ships

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Scott Stroz
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Larry Lyons wrote: > > >Wow...first Robert and Gruss agree on stuff (with increasing frequency) > and > >now I find myself agreeing with Larry AND Dana...what is this world coming > >to? > > > > > > You're starting to come to your senses? That's just silly talk.

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Larry Lyons
>Wow...first Robert and Gruss agree on stuff (with increasing frequency) and >now I find myself agreeing with Larry AND Dana...what is this world coming >to? > > You're starting to come to your senses? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 s

Re: Maserk Alabama Captain Rescued by Navy SEAL snipers

2009-04-13 Thread Larry Lyons
>Not sure of that. My mind is telling me they would be following US >admiralty and maritime laws, not US Criminal Code. My mistake, you're correct. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release t

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Larry Lyons
>That's a good idea, but is it doable? WOuldn't the logistics of it be pretty >daunting, considering we are talking about potentially hundreds of ships >owned by hundreds of companies from several dozen different countries? > It wouldn't be too difficult. Just get some cooperation with the in

Java Which Direction?

2009-04-13 Thread Scott Raley
Is there someone that does a good deal of web working using JSP or JSF and databases that can email me off list so I can ask a couple non-techie questions to? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dram

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Gruss Gott
> JJ wrote: > So, obviously again you have all the answers. so educate us. The best way to find right answers is to ask the right questions. > What should we have done with that captain and those 4 pirates? > > Get specific, here. > As I've said, there was no choice in this case (given a best e

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Michael Dinowitz
1. Why was the US Navy recreated in 1794? 2. What does the term "to the shores of Tripoli" refer to? 3. Why are marines called leathernecks? What does this have to do with anything? We've dealt with pirates with a firm hand in the past and we should do so in the present and future. If the Somalis

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > I'm the messenger.  I'm just telling you what you're clearly not > considering: that pirates can be viewed as folk heroes. Oh no, I am completely aware that in most conflicts, both sides think they are right ~

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread G Money
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > This is a tread-lightly scenario if I've ever seen one and anybody > that thinks different skipped history > What exactly do you mean "tread lightly"? What would you have done, Gruss? Paid the ransom? -- When the Jazzman's testifyin' A

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Jerry Johnson
So, obviously again you have all the answers. so educate us. What should we have done with that captain and those 4 pirates? Get specific, here. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > >> CamChi wrote: >> Yes, but he gave to the poor.  Do you really have in your head a >> picture

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Gruss Gott
> CamChi wrote: > Yes, but he gave to the poor.  Do you really have in your head a > picture of these pirates riding on horseback through villages throwing > bags of gold coins for all the peasants to enjoy? > > I mean, I really have no idea what they do with it, but I think it's > more likely tha

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Scott Stroz
Wow...first Robert and Gruss agree on stuff (with increasing frequency) and now I find myself agreeing with Larry AND Dana...what is this world coming to? On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Dana wrote: > > I agree with thatwarnings. Frankly pleasure craft should be banned > from the area until t

Re: Obama New Detainee Policy

2009-04-13 Thread Jerry Johnson
Not from what I have read about who was and are there. I took from who was there, how they got there, and what we were accusing them of (not "charges" per se, just "he is bad"), that it became a place to send those people we didn't know what else to do with. Including a number of people that were

Re: Obama New Detainee Policy

2009-04-13 Thread Dana
bwahaha. You silly dreamer you. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 9:58 AM, G Money wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > >> The problem _I_ had with Guantanamo is that it was a "throw em all in >> the same pot" plan, with no distinguishing between where they were >> captured

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Dana
it's what they used to do before police forces in Europe... On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 9:56 AM, G Money wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Larry Lyons wrote: > >> One good solution would be to use convoys for the commercial shipping. >> There are enough military ships in the area right t

Re: Obama New Detainee Policy

2009-04-13 Thread G Money
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > The problem _I_ had with Guantanamo is that it was a "throw em all in > the same pot" plan, with no distinguishing between where they were > captured, what they were doing, and no possible resolution, since it > wasn't in a war zone, so th

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Dana
I agree with thatwarnings. Frankly pleasure craft should be banned from the area until this is settled. In this case stupidity should not be rewarded. > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic rele

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread G Money
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Larry Lyons wrote: > One good solution would be to use convoys for the commercial shipping. > There are enough military ships in the area right that you could set up a > convoy guarded by one or two frigates with drones or helicopters roving on > either side of

Re: Obama New Detainee Policy

2009-04-13 Thread Jerry Johnson
I don't know. Afghanistan = war zone. war zone != laws as normal I have no problem with keeping prisoners in a war zone using long-held prisoner of war rules, including rights to medical but not legal, until the end of the war in that war zone. The problem _I_ had with Guantanamo is that it wa

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Larry Lyons
>> My point is, if you let things get to the point where someone gets >> killed, then you start the never-ending cycle of retribution: they >> killed us so we kill them so they kill us so we kill them so ... >> > >Once again, I disagree, because we are dealing with a different enemy. You >keep try

Re: Maserk Alabama Captain Rescued by Navy SEAL snipers

2009-04-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > Ideally, I'd never think about them again in my life. Boy that would > be sweet. But, alas, they plaster themselves all over the airwaves > pedaling the cheapest and most vile forms of demagoguery. I guess I listen to different news feeds.

Re: Maserk Alabama Captain Rescued by Navy SEAL snipers

2009-04-13 Thread Jerry Johnson
Not sure of that. My mind is telling me they would be following US admiralty and maritime laws, not US Criminal Code. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Larry Lyons wrote: > >>> Hostage captain rescued, 3 pirates killed >> >>Awesome.  I wonder what the rules are out on the "high seas"?  They >>ha

Re: Maserk Alabama Captain Rescued by Navy SEAL snipers

2009-04-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Larry Lyons wrote: > And yes in spite of the feel good nature of it, tossing them overboard while > alive would still be considered homicide. So I guess it was a good thing that they saw the pirates "threatening the captain's life". -Cameron ~~

Re: Maserk Alabama Captain Rescued by Navy SEAL snipers

2009-04-13 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:45 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: >> I heard Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh going off about how Obama was >> quaking in his boots, how he'd be bowing and apologizing to the > > Obsession? *shrug* Ideally, I'd ne

Re: Maserk Alabama Captain Rescued by Navy SEAL snipers

2009-04-13 Thread Larry Lyons
>Three snipers.. three head shots with only three rounds.. at night.. from a >moving ship to a moving life boat. > >That's skill! >From less than 100 yards? Not so sure, it may have been an easy shot with >night scopes. They're trained for that. Now if it were a half mile away from >underwater,

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > Somalia.  They view themselves as peaceful people we don't hurt > anybody and only take ransom.  In other words, it's simply an honest > and fair business. I am pretty sure you just said "don't hate the player hate the game", and applied it t

Obama New Detainee Policy

2009-04-13 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
When it comes to some points, there ain't none. I bet this action pisses off a few Obama supporters. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/10/AR2009041003269.html Obama Follows Bush Policy on Detainee Access to Courts By R. Jeffrey Smith Washington Post Staff Writer Satur

Re: Maserk Alabama Captain Rescued by Navy SEAL snipers

2009-04-13 Thread Larry Lyons
>> Hostage captain rescued, 3 pirates killed > >Awesome. I wonder what the rules are out on the "high seas"? They >have to be different than the regular civilian world. If you are >being threatened by a pirate as their boat approaches, can you fire >first? Are warning shots required? > >Really

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Dana wrote: > The crackheads aren't in charge of the neoghborhood and you don't have > children. Yes, because the community is doing something about it. But really, the what and why that creates a local drug problem is different than the what and why of Somalia

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Gruss Gott
> Cam wrote: > On what planet are armed gunmen who hijack a ship for their own > personal gain peaceful? > Somalia. They view themselves as peaceful people we don't hurt anybody and only take ransom. In other words, it's simply an honest and fair business. And the thing lots of people are forg

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Jerry Johnson
It _has_ been on the radar for years. If you have been reading the threat assessments, even the public ones, coming out of Washington, it has been a growing concern for 2+ years. Even we on cf-comm had a very long thread about it last fall. We know the names of the pirates. We know the houses the

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread G Money
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > My point is, if you let things get to the point where someone gets > killed, then you start the never-ending cycle of retribution: they > killed us so we kill them so they kill us so we kill them so ... > Once again, I disagree, because we ar

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: >> CamChi wrote: >> The short term message Obama sent?  "Don't fsck with US ships." > > Yeah, that's what you heard.  What they heard was, "Americans love > killing peaceful Somalis just going about their business.": On what planet are armed gu

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Dana
ok. I am fine with that. It would be nice if some root causes got addressed as well, is all. The fact that this wasn't even on the radar for years and years makes me very skeptical of any hyteria about how it's the most important threat we face. > It _has_ been going on for years, but there has

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Jerry Johnson
I haven't watched any talking heads this week. No time. Last 2 weeks in Florida for the year, and am already out of time for all the things I want and need to do. It _has_ been going on for years, but there has been a sharp uptick in incidents in the last 6 months. It went from "low simmer" to "h

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Dana
The crackheads aren't in charge of the neoghborhood and you don't have children. Let's put it this way -- I've been living right downntown too for the past six months or so and there's a LOT of foot traffic through the vacant lot next door. I'm pretty sure someone on the next street over is sell

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Dana
I think you've been watching too many talking heads this week. It *has* been going on for years. I don't like it and I am glad we rescued the captain. I don't think the rescue will stop them though. Not if there is any truth at all to that article. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Jerry Johnson

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Gruss Gott
> CamChi wrote: > The short term message Obama sent?  "Don't fsck with US ships." > Yeah, that's what you heard. What they heard was, "Americans love killing peaceful Somalis just going about their business.": --- “France and the U.S. will encounter unforgettable lessons,” Mohame

RE: So, what punishment fits the crime?

2009-04-13 Thread Jacob
I have season tickets to the Angels and I saw this kid pitch just hours before he was killed. When I went to the game Friday night, the entire crowd was in a different mood. I have always said.. first offense for DUI. BAC .05 Permanent life time ban on driving Car sold at auction Minimum six mo

Re: bad news from Bruce

2009-04-13 Thread Michael Grant
Robert didn't do anything wrong. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > i think the whole thread took a left turn somewhere, i didnt see how > Rob Munn did anything > wrong? or did i miss a post? > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Michael Grant wrote: > > > > I think you've

Re: bad news from Bruce

2009-04-13 Thread Michael Grant
Robert didn't do anything wrong. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > i think the whole thread took a left turn somewhere, i didnt see how > Rob Munn did anything > wrong? or did i miss a post? > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Michael Grant wrote: > > > > I think you've

RE: Maserk Alabama Captain Rescued by Navy SEAL snipers

2009-04-13 Thread Jacob
Three snipers.. three head shots with only three rounds.. at night.. from a moving ship to a moving life boat. That's skill! -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:45 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Maserk Alabama Captain R

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > That's a pretty short-term way to think about things. > > The problem is, now you've got Somalis promising to kill Americans and > The French whenever and where ever they find them. And the long term solution? Go back and undo everything tha

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread G Money
See, I disagree, I think these pirates are completely different from the ideologically driven terrorists. These people want/need money. That's it. That's what they are after. If they can't get money, or if the get killed while getting the money, it does them NO good. Our latest action showed them

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Jerry Johnson
I personally don't feel there is anything going on in the world that was a more serious threat to the long-term health of the United States than those pirates. The idea that FOR YEARS they could at will hijack and kill and hold hostage people and ships and cargo is unacceptable. The growth in th

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Ras Tafari
it will most likely cause more to go on and do more dumb shit to be honest. these idiots will continue on, just like the jihadi's now we have another enemy to really worry about... another un-uniformed, un-organized and potentially lethal criminal. one with little to no regard for much. SWEET! O

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Dana wrote: > yes. Not likely to stop anyone though, if they really do operate from > necessity. It stopped those three. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic r

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Gruss Gott
> JJ wrote: > > I think the resolution to this latest hijacking was effective. > That's a pretty short-term way to think about things. The problem is, now you've got Somalis promising to kill Americans and The French whenever and where ever they find them. And you can't just go into Somali wate

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Dana
yes. Not likely to stop anyone though, if they really do operate from necessity. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > I think the resolution to this latest hijacking was effective. > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Dana wrote: >> Nobody wants piracy to continue. But eff

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Dana wrote: > very good. So now: if you have a Somali warlord for a neighbor, what > are your odds of survival if you play by the rules? Well, I don't. I do have crackheads as neighbors though. *Gasp* - somehow I still manage to play by the rules. > Just sayi

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > I think the resolution to this latest hijacking was effective. GMTA. -Cameron ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Jerry Johnson
I think the resolution to this latest hijacking was effective. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Dana wrote: > Nobody wants piracy to continue. But effective > solutions are more likely to arise if someone has given some thought > to why people practice it. ~

Re: bad news from Bruce

2009-04-13 Thread Dana
"show some fucking respect for the dead" is what he said apparently On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > i think the whole thread took a left turn somewhere, i didnt see how > Rob Munn did anything > wrong? or did i miss a post? > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Michael Gran

Re: bad news from Bruce

2009-04-13 Thread Ras Tafari
i think the whole thread took a left turn somewhere, i didnt see how Rob Munn did anything wrong? or did i miss a post? On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Michael Grant wrote: > > I think you've grossly misunderstood my post if you think I have anything > BUT respect for those men. IMO the best wa

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Dana
very good. So now: if you have a Somali warlord for a neighbor, what are your odds of survival if you play by the rules? Just saying. Course if you would prefer to sip your latte and point fingers, he don't let me stop you. Nobody wants piracy to continue. But effective solutions are more likely t

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Dana
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Dana wrote: >> True enough. what do you call a guy who takes money to look the other >> way when his neighbor's children are dying to save the Italian Mafia >> money? > > Somali Warlord > > ~

Re: Outlook PST's, all versions

2009-04-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Jim Davis wrote: > Not at all - these are not "basic changes" - these are core, fundamental > changes.  At least as far as I see it. Okay. We disagree. That's cool. >> You better not let anyone see you wearing that patch unless you really >> know what you are

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Dana wrote: > True enough. what do you call a guy who takes money to look the other > way when his neighbor's children are dying to save the Italian Mafia > money? Somali Warlord ~| Adobe® ColdF

Re: bad news from Bruce

2009-04-13 Thread Michael Grant
I think you've grossly misunderstood my post if you think I have anything BUT respect for those men. IMO the best way to honour both the dead and the living is by not squandering their lives. Soldiers put their necks on the line regardless of politics or ideology. And politicians have a responsibi

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Dana
True enough. what do you call a guy who takes money to look the other way when his neighbor's children are dying to save the Italian Mafia money? On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > +1. Do you know what you call a man who streals a loaf of bread to feed his > family? A thief.

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Dana
True enough. what do you call a guy who takes money to look the other way when his neighbor's children are dying to save the Italian Mafia money? On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > +1. Do you know what you call a man who streals a loaf of bread to feed his > family? A thief.

RE: Outlook PST's, all versions

2009-04-13 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:38 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Outlook PST's, all versions > > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Jim Davis > wrote: > > I'd bet that the problem isn't in the database (O

Re: bad news from Bruce

2009-04-13 Thread G Money
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Bruce Sorge wrote: > All of this happened in less than 10 seconds. It is easy to armchair > quarterback this all fucking day, but unless you have been in our shoes, > having the same thing happen to you, you will never, ever fucking > understand. > I know that'

RE: bad news from Bruce

2009-04-13 Thread Scott Stewart
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RE: bad news from Bruce

2009-04-13 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 1:45 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: bad news from Bruce > > > > Cam wrote: > > This reminds me a bit about the debate of whether abstinence should > be > > taught in school, or evolu

RE: bad news from Bruce

2009-04-13 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Robert Munn [mailto:cfmuns...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 1:39 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: bad news from Bruce > > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Michael G wrote: > > > > Then please also teach them the futility of an unjust war.

Re: Maserk Alabama Captain Rescued by Navy SEAL snipers

2009-04-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > I heard Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh going off about how Obama was > quaking in his boots, how he'd be bowing and apologizing to the Obsession? I have this SNL skit in my head of a guy who ends every conversation with "Newt is the Devil

Re: Outlook PST's, all versions

2009-04-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Jim Davis wrote: > I'd bet that the problem isn't in the database (Outlook actually uses the > very capable SQL Server engine I believe), it's the interface. Okay - so we disagree about the reason, but if either of us is right, it's a problem that can be resolved

Re: Maserk Alabama Captain Rescued by Navy SEAL snipers

2009-04-13 Thread Scott Stroz
>From what I read, the Navy acted on a 'standing order' from Obama that if the captain's life was in jeopardy, to take action. So, its not like Obama made the decsion under pressure and a short while later we had 3 dead pirates. http://snurl.com/fspgi However, I applaud Obama for making this dec

Re: Interesting Alterno-view of Pirates

2009-04-13 Thread Scott Stroz
+1. Do you know what you call a man who streals a loaf of bread to feed his family? A thief. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > The piracy is a crime. I also have sympathy for the crackhead down > the street that tries to rob me, but he's still going to jail if he >

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Re: bad news from Bruce

2009-04-13 Thread Bruce Sorge
> > 4.) It seems odd that a dump truck with 10,000 lbs of explosives is > able to get that near a convoy, but maybe I don't understand the > circumstances. > > It is very simple. As we were heading onto our main supply route to begin our mission, we were about 50 meters from the final Iraqi Po

Re: Maserk Alabama Captain Rescued by Navy SEAL snipers

2009-04-13 Thread Dana
yep On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I heard Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh going off about how Obama was > quaking in his boots, how he'd be bowing and apologizing to the > pirates and it would be "Carter all over again" blah blah blah. They > were fucking gloating ab