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Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

For those that may be curious, here is the full video and a little write up of her speech: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/watch_full_video_of_sherrods_speech.php?ref=fpa It is really an excellent speech. Given the way she has been treated, I suggest that we get rid of Vilsack

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On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Wow.  The day keeps getting weirder.  I have a BA and MA in Mathematics. > Though most of our posts wouldn't show it, we seem to have quite a few > things in common.  Next question:  Ginger or Mary Ann? Both. One does not choose between th

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"I kept telling my Profs that in college. I ended up majoring in it so as to learn how to fight the man. Take it down from the inside so to speak." "Fight the Power!" Wow. The day keeps getting weirder. I have a BA and MA in Mathematics. Though most of our posts wouldn't show it, we seem to h

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

I see your point, I do not agree with it, but I see it. If everything else is equal, I would be more inclined to think flipping a coin would be a better, and more fair, determination on who gets a job or slot in a college than using race. In my mind, it is never good for someone to get any kind

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

You are confusing fact with correlation. On statistics, if you torture the numbers long enough, they'll tell you exactly what you want. On your correlation, I contend that you can disregard race altogether. I say that the number one indicator of poverty is poverty. That is, someone from a poor

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

You and I are talking about two different situations. You are talking about a situation where one candidate is less qualified and elevated above another. I am talking about a situation where both candidates are qualified. If you are talking about two candidates who are qualified for a position yo

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

Hahaha. Oh wow. That's awesome. I would've wee'd in my pants. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Yes, I thought of that scene exactly. > > Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line. > > Judah > > As an aside, I once got to perform a wedding ceremony where t

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

Yes, I thought of that scene exactly. Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line. Judah As an aside, I once got to perform a wedding ceremony where the couple let me start it off with "Love, true love, is what brings us together today". I did not use the Peter Cooke voice, but the

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Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

To me the Affirmative Action rationale says 'choose the non-white'. There have been many times where a less qualified non-caucasian has gotten a job, admission to college, etc, over a more qualified caucasian. (I have seen it first hand in previous jobs) Granted there have been a lot more times i

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

> > However, in your example, if it is wrong to NOT chose the minority > candidate because they are a minority, it is equally wrong, regardless > of the rationale, to NOT choose the white candidate because they are > NOT a minority. > Does this paragraph remind anyone else of this: Man in Black

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I had worked so hard to scrub that image from my mind... On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Nope, so long as they both use the same gateway address. > > So one dhcp server would issue 192.168.1.2 - 192.168.1.100 and the > other would issue 192.168.101 - 192.168.1.154 and

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Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > To be fair, I think 'discriminatory' might be a better word. To me, > 'racist' would infer some sort of hatred or dislike of one person or > group because of their race. Clearly, in your example, there is no > hatred or dislike (at least tha

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

I said this: > I'm confused. Why do failed farmers get to blame racism for not getting > loans? And you said this: > When I was doing research with data for large scale studies (with > sample sizes in the tens, and in several cases hundreds of thousands) > in any causal model we developed we h

RE: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

Clearly you thought it out better than I did. I still think affirmative action is discriminatory and past it's usefulness though. Race shouldn't be a consideration in who gets to go to a good school or who gets a job. -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] S

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

To be fair, I think 'discriminatory' might be a better word. To me, 'racist' would infer some sort of hatred or dislike of one person or group because of their race. Clearly, in your example, there is no hatred or dislike (at least that I can see). However, in your example, if it is wrong to NOT

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: >> >> Though if I had to choose between two qualified middle-class kids and >> they were basically equal except for race, I'd probably go for the >> minority kid because the minority mid

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

1-14 years? That seems to be a pretty big disparity for some kids compared to another. A lot of shit (good and bad) can happen to a person in 14 years. How can those numbers even be remotely accurate?. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > No its simply a fact, not an excuse

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

Speed typing. I don't proof read when being rude as to leave folks like you a quick comeback. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I might admit to you're wrong, but I'd never admit to your wrong as > that would be grammatically incorrect. Unless of course the wrong was > re

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

I might admit to you're wrong, but I'd never admit to your wrong as that would be grammatically incorrect. Unless of course the wrong was really yours. And, I suppose, since this is Sam we are talking about both are probably true. You are wrong and the wrong belongs to you. I also was not asked b

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Though if I had to choose between two qualified middle-class kids and > they were basically equal except for race, I'd probably go for the > minority kid because the minority middle class is small and tenuous > and needs more help than the

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

You still do not get it. And as usual you completely misinterpret what people write. I wrote that race and socio-economic status are very closely intertwined in the US. Not that one causes the other. Only that the two are related. How much simpler do I have to phrase it so that you will not misint

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

On 7/20/2010 1:43 PM, Sam wrote: > Your constant self righteous asshole attitude is tiring. > Can you ever just get over yourself and admit your wrong? You first! ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazo

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

The math was a lot more white people are poor even though race is really really really closely tied to poverty. Maybe mathematically Larry used too many reallys. The point is it's not as simple as skin color = poverty even though that's what Larry wants us all to believe. So a lousy white farmer

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

Your constant self righteous asshole attitude is tiring. Can you ever just get over yourself and admit your wrong? On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > >  On 7/20/2010 1:24 PM, Sam wrote: >> So why are there 24 million whites below the poverty level if race is >> so tightly tied

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

On 7/20/2010 1:37 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > I think Ian's point was that raw numbers like that are pretty > meaningless when your talking about statistics. Your math isn't exactly > wrong but it doesn't paint an accurate picture either. And that is the *ONLY* point I was making... ~~

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

By the by, I just happened across an NYT article that presents some evidence for your point of view: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/19/opinion/19douthat.html I still think that class is more important than either race or poverty because it combines the two. But I do admit that it is difficult to

RE: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

I think Ian's point was that raw numbers like that are pretty meaningless when your talking about statistics. Your math isn't exactly wrong but it doesn't paint an accurate picture either. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:29 PM To:

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

On 7/20/2010 1:24 PM, Sam wrote: > So why are there 24 million whites below the poverty level if race is > so tightly tied to poverty? That's it Sam. Keep bashing us with a single number without context until everybody gets tired of it. Then when all the people who know why this is wrong ha

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

Why should I do the work for you. Are you helpless or merely incompetent? You have the link, do it yourself. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Sam wrote: > > The answers is NO. > I just wanted to hear it from you. > > On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> >> Sam I am no going

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

12% is a really small percentage? On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Oh, oh, I know that one! > > That would be because a relatively small percentage of a really big > number is still a pretty big number. > ~

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

On 7/20/2010 1:28 PM, Sam wrote: > 24 million whites below poverty > 12 million blacks below poverty. > > I said twice as many whites are below the poverty level and you say my > math is wrong? > > Shocking. So you give us half a fact. Then say this fact proves your point. And you get defens

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

24 million whites below poverty 12 million blacks below poverty. I said twice as many whites are below the poverty level and you say my math is wrong? Shocking. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > >  On 7/20/2010 1:17 PM, Sam wrote: >> Shocking! > > It is shocking that I coul

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

Larry's talking about a 20 year study in Chicago. NCLB isn't that old On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > > No, they're not. If a school doesn't make the annual improvement > dictated by NCLB the parents have the right to demand a transfer to a > school of their choice and the d

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

Oh, oh, I know that one! That would be because a relatively small percentage of a really big number is still a pretty big number. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Sam wrote: > > So why are there 24 million whites below the poverty level if race is > so tightly tied to poverty? > > > On Tue, Jul

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

The answers is NO. I just wanted to hear it from you. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Sam I am no going to do your research for you. I gave a link to the > NORC site. did i up on your own instead of being such a lazy slug. > > On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Sam wrot

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

So why are there 24 million whites below the poverty level if race is so tightly tied to poverty? On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > funny that he doesn't make that same error when mentioning the > educational levels of limpblob listeners or tea party members. > > Thing

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

Ah, shit, I forgot that statistics are racist. Fuck, I guess I'm just a really lousy white guy. That liberal white guilt must be deeper than I thought. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> Thing is that proportionately

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > Thing is that proportionately there are more minorities at or below > the poverty line than there are whites. That said there are > proportionately more asians above the poverty line than below. Does > that make me "pro asian"? I eat more

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

On 7/20/2010 1:17 PM, Sam wrote: > Shocking! It is shocking that I could agree with you, but your math is still wrong. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinow

RE: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

No, they're not. If a school doesn't make the annual improvement dictated by NCLB the parents have the right to demand a transfer to a school of their choice and the district is required to provide transportation. Basically if the school your kid is in can't do the job you, as a parent, can send t

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Given that endorsement, I know where I'll be staying on my next business related trip. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Sam wrote: > > Marryrot sucks. I used to work for those haters. > > > On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Scott Raley wrote: >> >> Well I have a Marriott card and found a courtya

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

Sam I am no going to do your research for you. I gave a link to the NORC site. did i up on your own instead of being such a lazy slug. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Sam wrote: > > Did that study take into account that the schools are rigged against > minorities? They refuse to allow vouchers

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

funny that he doesn't make that same error when mentioning the educational levels of limpblob listeners or tea party members. Thing is that proportionately there are more minorities at or below the poverty line than there are whites. That said there are proportionately more asians above the pover

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

Shocking! On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > P.S. I also do not believe your interpretation of Larry's point.  But > that is beside the point ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon

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Did that study take into account that the schools are rigged against minorities? They refuse to allow vouchers or charters so they are stuck in the failed schools? On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > No its simply a fact, not an excuse. For instance take the NORC > datas

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

On 7/20/2010 1:02 PM, Sam wrote: > What is your point? To defend Larry no matter what? Yes, that is my point exactly!. Defending Larry by pointing out bad mathematics. I also have a bridge in NYC I would like to sell you. P.S. I also do not believe your interpretation of Larry's point. But

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

you're assuming that he can do the math. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > >  On 7/20/2010 12:12 PM, Sam wrote: >> I'm guessing you didn't know there's twice as many whites below the >> poverty level than there are blacks? >> >> Now that you know that do you want to re-explai

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

BTW that's an interesting narrative you saying. Its almost as if that's how you want it to be. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Race and poverty are real close. Real close. Really really close. So close > together that its really really really difficult to remove the eff

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

No its simply a fact, not an excuse. For instance take the NORC dataset (see http://www.norc.org/homepage.htm) - this data is the result of a 20 year longitudinal study of all the children in the Chicago region school systems, including urban, suburban and rural systems. The children were followed

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Marryrot sucks. I used to work for those haters. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Scott Raley wrote: > > Well I have a Marriott card and found a courtyard but was checking out to > see what else was nearby. > ~| Order the Adob

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

I see the fact that 24 million whites are poor vs 12 million blacks. If you want to play with percentages that's 12% to 33% Larry would have one believe you needed to be black to be poor. I was pointing out that poverty was equal opportunity. What is your point? To defend Larry no matter what?

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If you stay at a Marriott, always get receipt. It took me over two years to convince them that I paid for visit at one of their hotels at few years back because I used the automatic checkout and somehow it didn't register in their system. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Scott Raley wrote: >

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Math is notoriously racist." > > Math needs to be arrested for civil rights violations. I kept telling my Profs that in college. I ended up majoring in it so as to learn how to fight the man. Take it down from the inside so to speak. Fi

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Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

On 7/20/2010 12:42 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > Those statistics are wrong, or at least massively out of date. There's > no way 75% of America is white anymore. If we were they wouldn't be > talking about Latinos being the majority American race before 2015. The > last statistic I saw estimated 55% a

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

I agree that class is more important than race. And I use class to indicate something more than simple economics, it is about persistent economics and the attitudes that it engenders. Some kids are poor because their parents lost a job. That situation sucks and the fact that they are poor are abso

RE: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

Those statistics are wrong, or at least massively out of date. There's no way 75% of America is white anymore. If we were they wouldn't be talking about Latinos being the majority American race before 2015. The last statistic I saw estimated 55% at most, which makes me question the validity of the

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

"Math is notoriously racist." Math needs to be arrested for civil rights violations. J - "The individual who can do something that the world wants done will, in the end, make his way regardless of his race. - Booker T. Washington "

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

Math is notoriously racist. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Race and poverty are real close. Real close. Really really close. So close > together that its really really really difficult to remove the effects of > one from the other." > > > One of the most racist ideas

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

On 7/20/2010 12:12 PM, Sam wrote: > I'm guessing you didn't know there's twice as many whites below the > poverty level than there are blacks? > > Now that you know that do you want to re-explain what your point is? Blacks make up 13.5% in 2008 of America according the first website I looked a

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

"Race and poverty are real close. Real close. Really really close. So close together that its really really really difficult to remove the effects of one from the other." One of the most racist ideas I have heard or read. It's that sentiment that gives people an excuse for failure. I can't suc

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

"Um...No. If they're basically equal except for race then they need help equally. Just because a kids skin is a different color doesn't mean (s)he is more needful or deserving of help. If you're going to be fair you have to take race out of the equation completely. Anything else is discriminatory.

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

"If you are talking about affirmative action in college admissions, I think your example doesn't really apply." College is just an example. And it does apply, at least in my opion. "Really intelligent poor white kids tend to get into good colleges as well. I got into a top private college in sp

RE: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

Um...No. If they're basically equal except for race then they need help equally. Just because a kids skin is a different color doesn't mean (s)he is more needful or deserving of help. If you're going to be fair you have to take race out of the equation completely. Anything else is discriminatory.

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

I'm guessing you didn't know there's twice as many whites below the poverty level than there are blacks? Now that you know that do you want to re-explain what your point is? On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > You really have reading comprehension issues don't you? Where

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

You really have reading comprehension issues don't you? Where did I say such, or is it your typical putting words into the mouths of others. I'll put it into words simple enough for your understanding. Race and poverty are real close. Real close. Really really close. So close together that its r

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

Being black in Georgia in the 60s through the 80s wasn't all that tough. The government was stepping all over itself to rectify the wrongs of past. Alabama, Mississippi, etc. lots of bad stuff happened during the Civil Rights movement, but not in Georgia. By the 80s blacks were firmly ensconced

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I mostly agree with this, although I think it is more of a class thing than > purely economic. The problem is that race, class and economic background are > all intertwined in America and not easy to untangle. " > > I'll have to disagree.

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

Are you saying if your white your racist? Sounds like the DNC playbook. Do you think failed white farmers would have gotten loans? On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > When I was doing research with data for large scale studies (with > sample sizes in the tens, and in sev

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

I have to disagree. Didn't Byrd use the term white n*gger not so long ago? On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Thurman was a racist hypocrite from beginning to end. HIs behavior > right up to his death was classic southern racism. There were no > redeeming actions on his p

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Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

When I was doing research with data for large scale studies (with sample sizes in the tens, and in several cases hundreds of thousands) in any causal model we developed we had to make race and SES as correlated predictor (independent) variables, because the two were so intertwined. The correlation

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

I'm confused. Why do failed farmers get to blame racism for not getting loans? On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: >> farm cooperative for a reported $13 >> million > > That's a really cool story Jerry, thanks. I can't imag

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"or how about the Patriot Act?" Good one. How about H.R. 1: American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 J - The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. I thin

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

Thurman was a racist hypocrite from beginning to end. HIs behavior right up to his death was classic southern racism. There were no redeeming actions on his part. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Sam wrote: > > Like Strom Therman? > > > On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Larry C. Lyons > wrote:

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

"I mostly agree with this, although I think it is more of a class thing than purely economic. The problem is that race, class and economic background are all intertwined in America and not easy to untangle. " I'll have to disagree. There are affluent minorities who need no help in getting their

Re: Weird BP Gulf Story: BP photoshops fake photo of crisis command center

#1: They should've had me do the PS'ing. This would've been a non-issue. #2: That's actually some pretty dumb choices for what to PS. Just cloning one screen onto the other blank screens. I would've just left the two altered screens black. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: >

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

"I haven't paid much attention to the Tea Party, but when have they ever said anything about race (aside from the one guy who seemed to think that businesses should have the right to choose who they served...I don't think he is typical of the Tea Party, though I could be wrong) " They haven't. T

RE: Find a hotel

Marriott.. but of course I have a family member that works for Marriott :) -Original Message- From: Scott Raley [mailto:sra...@itc-llc.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 6:27 AM To: cf-community Subject: Find a hotel What do people use to find hotels where they are going? Priceline see

Re: The Political Irony Story of the Day

Isn't he currently on trial? On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > [sic] BOGYA > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

Its called pork only when it benefits someone else. ;) On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Sam wrote: > > It's called pork and Byrd was the King. It's nothing to be proud of. > > On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >> I have spoken to some who I would consider to be a bit on the

Re: The Political Irony Story of the Day

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > A little honesty in naming bills would be nice too. I think that they might run into a problem not being able to use obscenities in bill tittles. Hard to come up with a snappy acronym for the "Bend Over and Grab Your Ankles" bill. Though

Weird BP Gulf Story: BP photoshops fake photo of crisis command center

For some reason, BP has posted photo-shopped images of its Gulf Crisis Control Center on its website. Here'sthe story. I can only ask why. Having a fancy control center or the appearance of one isn't going to swing pu

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

You're about as foaming-at-the-mouth as they come On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > > > Meanwhile, the middle will take stock of it and move on. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://w

Re: The Political Irony Story of the Day

or how about the Patriot Act? On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Not to mention partisans of both parties making up totally fake, bland > group names like 'Americans for America' to launch heinous ads as > 'independent' groups." > > True. > > A little honesty in naming bil

The JournoList

And you thought Fox News was biased :) Documents show media plotting to kill stories about Rev. Jeremiah Wright http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/20/documents-show-media-plotting-to-kill-stories-about-rev-jeremiah-wright/ I do not endorse a Popular Front, nor do I think you need to. It’s not

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

and this guy too - his branch was kicked out of the 'main' Tea Party branch. I don't necessarily associate Tea Party with racism, but it's hard to have a movement that big and not pick up a bunch of trash on the way. The problem is though, I don't believe there is a formal party, so this guy wil

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Just as a follow up with some more info: > > Just days before her appointment, the Obama Justice Department settled a > lawsuit by Sherrod and her husband claiming discrimination against their > farm cooperative for a reported $13 > millio

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

http://www.teaparty.org/article.php?id=144 On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > > I haven't paid much attention to the Tea Party, but when have they ever > said anything about race (aside from the one guy who seemed to think > that businesses should have the right to choose who

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

He is a Libertarian On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > > I haven't paid much attention to the Tea Party, but when have they ever > said anything about race (aside from the one guy who seemed to think > that businesses should have the right to choose who they served...I > don't

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

It's called pork and Byrd was the King. It's nothing to be proud of. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I have spoken to some who I would consider to be a bit on the liberal > side and they have brought up the KKK thing - in a negative way. > > I played golf with someone who

RE: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

I haven't paid much attention to the Tea Party, but when have they ever said anything about race (aside from the one guy who seemed to think that businesses should have the right to choose who they served...I don't think he is typical of the Tea Party, though I could be wrong) I was under the impr

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