> Sorry about your dad but my point is if it's not an emergency
> you have to wait a year.
No need to be sorry, it was a long time ago now and I am fine about it, but
your concern is noted. On your second point, I have never had a problem
seeing my doctor for non-emergencies
> Here's a report t
heh...then let me be the first.
I am an American, I had my own business, now I work for AREVA
T&D...more money, better bennies...
I do not now nor have I ever played the lottery.
I did drop a dollar in a slot machine once in Reno (lost), and I've
never been to Vegas...
also, I've never been to hea
William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I, too work for a French company, but I work in the US.
Great post, thanks for the info; that's consistent with my experience.
I'll add one more thing. For about the last 4 years I've taken
asking every new person I meet, "What's your dream?" at some po
--- James Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually, from personal experience when my dad was
> dying of cancer I can
> tell you that when you REALLY need a specialist,
> when you are in need of
> specialist care or services, the NHS rules. Myself
> an my family couldn't
> have asked for more
I, too work for a French company, but I work in the US.
I interact with French, German, English and other nationalities every
day. We tend not to speak about our relative wages/work
habits/hours/etc., but on the rare occasion that we do, I find the
following:
1. My european counterparts (especial
ually work pretty well...be
it in Europe, America, Canadaetc.
BG
- Original Message -
From: "Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Envy Of The World?
> > B
> Brian wrote:
> I just don't think the scenario you describe here is quite the paradise it
> seems on the surface.
Nobody is more skeptical than me - but over the last 4 years here's
the difference I've noticed: American programmers seem skeptical and
fearful. Their European counterparts don't.
As a 20-something programmer in the United States, who's success at my job
is dictated by my performance, something I have complete control
over.i'd have a hard time arguing that I have it rough compared to
anyone else.
Here's a question: What if that French company requires the service of 5
f
> James wrote:
> So am I, I am only disappointed that you can not see it and I pity you for
> your love of your callous system.
This is what I think is so interesting. I hear those such as Sam
claiming how Europeans pay so much in taxes and how horrible their
health care system is, yet I never he
> I'm sorry to here you're so happy with it.
> The government is trying desperately to get rids of it by
> encouraging people to use their own doctors. If you ever need
> a specialist you'll realize how flawed it is. After a year of
> waiting you probably won't need that specialist anymore
> be
My mother-in-law and father-in-law have both been told they need one. My father-in-law
has asthma and my mother-in-law is a heart patient. It would be dangerous to either of
them to get the flu. Neither of them can get the vaccine at all.
That sounds like a problem to me.
Judith
- Original
About time you came around :)
-sm
--- dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ok, trumpets. I just agreed with Sam. What can I
> say? From what I have
> seen, the practice of medecine is ten years behind
> in Canada,
> procedures are rationed, and access is abysmal.
>
> In deference to Larry I
03 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Envy Of The World?
>
> Actually, there are already regulations in place, at least in
> Wisconsin. Right now health care providers face fines if they give the
> flu shot to anyone that is not in the CDC's high risk category. My HMO
>
o:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 1:44 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Envy Of The World?
>
> Never heard of them.
> What states are they in?
>
> --- Ken Ketsdever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Have you tried to get
my favorite was when OHIP told my mother (then arthritic at age 60)
that she could not have knee surgery because she was too young :)
Dana
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:31:28 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- Marlon Moyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:
hehe LOL. That's great.
> We are however envious that you managed to take a man with fewer marbles
> than Prince Philip and give him control of your country, well done! ;-)
>
~|
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ris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 12:18 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Envy Of The World?
>
> You're joking right? You'd rather be sick in Canada
> then the US? Not me.
>
> Is there still a six month waiting list for an MRI,
>
ok, trumpets. I just agreed with Sam. What can I say? From what I have
seen, the practice of medecine is ten years behind in Canada,
procedures are rationed, and access is abysmal.
In deference to Larry I should add that my experience is totally
limited to relatives in Ontario and a brief stay in
yeah but the FDA wont license furrin vakseen :P
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:54:02 -0500, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ken wrote:
> > Pray you don't get sick (play on religion, garners votes in the Bible belt)
> > If you get sick: Go to Canada
>
> Ha! That's a great Bush campaign slogan.
Larry, I think those reports come from Ontario, where I have heard
similar tales.
Dana
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:52:09 -0400, Larry C. Lyons
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Funny,
>
> Try another one. My mother who lives in Surry BC Canada recently had
> an MRI, no wait. Similar reports for my friend
Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 25 October 2004 13:34
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Envy Of The World?
> >
> > While I'm personally all for universal health care let's not
> > kid ourselves that it's "free". It (and other p
e tax
> sales tax (california about 7.75% average)
> gas taxes
> vehicle registration
> property tax
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:11 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Envy
Brian,
The flu shot is very important to senior citizens and people with
certain health problems. I get one every year because of asthma. I got
one this year because the hospital where I just spent a week ordered
early and I had just had a pulmonary embolism. In 2000, during the
last shortage, the
You're sorry to hear that he hasn't had problems? Gee, that's nice.
How about the ~15% of people in the US who have no insurance at all?
Or the insurance plans in the US that don't cover diddley, don't let
you see a specialist without a referral but never give a referral, and
then double bill and
I don't know where you get the tax numbers, but most people do not pay
most of their income in taxes.
That said, a government single payer system works quite well in both
England and Canada. The per capita spending is less, yet it would
appear that the individual level of health care is higher - m
--- Marlon Moyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:10:57 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm sorry to here you're so happy with it.
> > The government is trying desperately to get rids
> of it
> > by encouraging people to use their own doctors. If
> you
>
unity
Subject: RE: Envy Of The World?
I'm sorry to here you're so happy with it.
The government is trying desperately to get rids of it
by encouraging people to use their own doctors. If you
ever need a specialist you'll realize how flawed it
is. After a year of waiting you probably won&#x
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:10:57 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm sorry to here you're so happy with it.
> The government is trying desperately to get rids of it
> by encouraging people to use their own doctors. If you
> ever need a specialist you'll realize how flawed it
> is.
I'm sorry to here you're so happy with it.
The government is trying desperately to get rids of it
by encouraging people to use their own doctors. If you
ever need a specialist you'll realize how flawed it
is. After a year of waiting you probably won't need
that specialist anymore because the injury
I wouldn't be surprised if that was so. I once saw what you described below in a
documentary.
Dharmesh
-Original Message-
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:52 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Envy Of The World?
> Dharmesh Goel wr
lol. Problem may have been sanitation - random yeast/bacteria reeking
havoc. I've got the advantage of being in the food service business, so
this hasn't been a problem. Also, I am getting complete kits of grains and
yeast, so I am not really creating my own beers, just preparing the box-kit.
> Dharmesh Goel wrote:
> I would like to add a few:
> hoegaarden (Belgian)
> http://www.alabev.com/hoegaarden.htm
When you order this in Belgium don't you get free cheese of sausage or
something? I remember them going through a ritual:
1.) blew out the glass
2.) overfilled the glass until the l
I never quite could place the taste of Hoegaarden. But the white beer thing is
certainly very different.
-Gel
-Original Message-
From: Dharmesh Goel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I would like to add a few:
hoegaarden (Belgian)
http://www.alabev.com/hoegaarden.htm
~~~
I've thought about it. I find the pasteurized beers agree with my gut better though.
Patrick
>-Original Message-
>From: Andy Ousterhout
>
>Try brewing your own! They taste great and are a lot less
>expensive. So
>far, I've brewed and IPA and Porter. Next I am going to try
>an Oktobe
o: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:03 AM
Subject: RE: Envy Of The World?
> Try brewing your own! They taste great and are a lot less expensive. So
> far, I've brewed and IPA and Porter. Next I am going to try an
Oktoberfest
> styl
Good idea - We just got a new LCBO in Guelph I will look for themYes that
wouldn't surprise me it they were on tap in the city.
>-Original Message-
>From: Dharmesh Goel
>
>Patrick,
>
>You will have to go to the LCBO to get all three. Check if
>they are available at your location vi
Try brewing your own! They taste great and are a lot less expensive. So
far, I've brewed and IPA and Porter. Next I am going to try an Oktoberfest
style. Each batch yields approximately 5 gallons.
Andy
-Original Message-
From: Harkins, Patrick
cool!
PS. - got to check out that hoega
usual to find a lot of imports on tap - fosters, stella artois, etc.
Dharmesh
-Original Message-
From: Harkins, Patrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:57 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Envy Of The World?
cool!
PS. - got to check out that hoeg
cool!
PS. - got to check out that hoegarden! ;-)
>-Original Message-
>From: Dharmesh Goel
>
>
>I would like to add a few:
>hoegaarden (Belgian)
>http://www.alabev.com/hoegaarden.htm
>
>Leffe Blonde (Belgian)
>http://www.beermania.be/sales/leff_blonde.htm
>
>SCHNEIDER WEISSE (German)
>htt
I would like to add a few:
hoegaarden (Belgian)
http://www.alabev.com/hoegaarden.htm
Leffe Blonde (Belgian)
http://www.beermania.be/sales/leff_blonde.htm
SCHNEIDER WEISSE (German)
http://www.schneider-weisse.com/
Dharmesh
~|
Pu
I've had a French one of those that I enjoyed. Handwritten look to the label
>-Original Message-
>From: Kevin Graeme
>I don't generally drink beer, but the other day I was at a local brew
>pub and one of their "brews" that night was a barley wine. Strange
>drink. It was like a really
Heh, if you were to put GW in a head to head election against John
Kerry..i might decline to vote.
- Original Message -
From: "James Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:39 AM
Subject: RE:
mmunity
> Subject: RE: Envy Of The World?
>
> While I'm personally all for universal health care let's not
> kid ourselves that it's "free". It (and other programs like
> universal university access) is paid for via higher taxes.
>
> There are also is
ection, I would
decline to vote I think!
--
Jay
> -Original Message-
> From: G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 25 October 2004 13:33
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Envy Of The World?
>
> Ah the UKwhere you've elected a leader diametrically
> opposed t
nada weren't without some controversy as well.
Jim Davis
-Original Message-
From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 5:53 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Envy Of The World?
> Mr. Bush is always telling us that US healthcare is the envy
> of the
Ah the UKwhere you've elected a leader diametrically opposed to W in all
aspects.er...wait a sec.
>
>
> We are however envious that you managed to take a man with fewer marbles
> than Prince Philip and give him control of your country, well done! ;-)
>
> --
> Jay
>
>
>
~
> Mr. Bush is always telling us that US healthcare is the envy
> of the world
Well don't believe him, over here in the UK we have a fantastic health
service and it is all free, and I believe Canada is the same, and Australia
I think.
We are however envious that you managed to take a man with few
That's because the alcohol content is less than warm piss. We used to
take advantage of that in college fencing. We'd take the opposing
teams out for a couple of beer the night before. In the next day's
bout they'd be too hungover to do very well. Then later in the year
when we'd go down to UND or
> Sam wrote:
> Out of the bottle though you can drink it all night
Yeah, but you might as well stand in front of the urinal while you
drink it. Maybe I'm just getting old.
~|
Protect your mail server with built in anti-virus p
I don't generally drink beer, but the other day I was at a local brew
pub and one of their "brews" that night was a barley wine. Strange
drink. It was like a really dark, heavy, sweet beer. Very caramelly.
Also very high alcohol content.
-Kevin
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:03:48 -0400, Angel Stewart
<
Never drink it from a can, it is piss.
Out of the bottle though you can drink it all night
and not fall down suddenly. And it doesn't get heavy
or bitter as you go like most quality ales do.
-sm
--- "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Point. I thought you were referring to Bud, the pa
t; >
> > > On to Beer!!! My favorite beer is the good old
> > King of Beers. I'm not a huge
> > > import drinkerif i'm drinking an import, it's
> > usually Red Stripe.
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
>
.
> > >
> > > But thats probly way to altruistic.
> > >
> > > On to Beer!!! My favorite beer is the good old
> > King of Beers. I'm not a huge
> > > import drinkerif i'm drinking an import, it's
> > usually Red Stripe.
>
Government taking from one private entity to give to another. ehm... what does that
sound like?
-Original Message-
From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 2:03 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Envy Of The World?
Actually, there are already
Actually, there are already regulations in place, at least in
Wisconsin. Right now health care providers face fines if they give the
flu shot to anyone that is not in the CDC's high risk category. My HMO
had plenty of vaccine for everyone, but the state has taken it away so
that they can meet the n
Myself I've had to cut back somewhat, so when I do have a beer, i go
for a pale ale or similar from a craft brewery.
larry
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:03:48 -0400, Angel Stewart
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes..that is my problem with Beck's Dark as well.
> After about 4 it really wears on your stom
Yes..that is my problem with Beck's Dark as well.
After about 4 it really wears on your stomach.
Same thing with stouts. I prefer Mackeson to Guinness. I Mackeson is different, it's a
slightly sweeter taste, foregoes the bitter
aftertaste. But I wouldn't be out liming and drink either stout sole
But Guinness is a light beer.
Tyler Clendenin
GSL Solutions
-Original Message-
From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 4:49 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Envy Of The World?
In the UK they sell it as The Original Budweiser
Guinness isn't bad
They are in California. I think they are in other states too, but don't know for sure.
-Original Message-
From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 1:44 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Envy Of The World?
Never heard of them.
What states are th
> M
>
>
> Tyler Clendenin
> GSL Solutions
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 4:22 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Envy Of The World?
>
> Ever have the so called origni
What about middle aged working folks who need to stay healthy so they can work to pay
for their health insurance?
-Original Message-
From: G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 12:16 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Envy Of The World?
Would seem a shortage of flu
day, October 22, 2004 12:18 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Envy Of The World?
>
>
> You're joking right? You'd rather be sick in Canada
> then the US? Not me.
>
> Is there still a six month waiting list for an MRI,
> while your dog can get one today?
&g
Message-
From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 4:22 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Envy Of The World?
Ever have the so called orignial Bud?
Budvar Budweiser beer - Czech Republic
Great beer, very much like our King of Beers.
-sm
--- "Larry C. Lyons&quo
Have you tried to get a MRI thorugh Kaiser lately? Six months would be an improvement
-Original Message-
From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 12:18 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Envy Of The World?
You're joking right? You'd rather
!!! My favorite beer is the good old
> King of Beers. I'm not a huge
> > import drinkerif i'm drinking an import, it's
> usually Red Stripe.
> >
> > - Original Message -----
> > From: "Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To:
Funny,
Try another one. My mother who lives in Surry BC Canada recently had
an MRI, no wait. Similar reports for my friends in Winnipeg and in
Edmonton.
larry
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:17:45 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You're joking right? You'd rather be sick in Canada
>
My favorite beer is the good old King of Beers. I'm not a huge
> import drinkerif i'm drinking an import, it's usually Red Stripe.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PR
Newcastle! I like that one as well, but I prefer Becks for a Dark beer flavor.
Never tasted Bass or Sierra Porter.
-Gel
-Original Message-
From: John Stanley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bass, Newcastle Brown, Sierra Porter ;-)
~~~
Most anything out of a cask and served via tap and spile! Oh how I
miss England already!
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:34:00 -0400, Jerry Johnson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On tap - Terminator Stout, Bass.
> In a bottle - Samuel Smith's Taddy Porter.
> Cheap - Rolling Rock.
> Free - Anything.
>
>
On tap - Terminator Stout, Bass.
In a bottle - Samuel Smith's Taddy Porter.
Cheap - Rolling Rock.
Free - Anything.
Jerry Johnson
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/22/04 03:23PM >>>
Bass, Newcastle Brown, Sierra Porter ;-)
~|
Purcha
Bass, Newcastle Brown, Sierra Porter ;-)
-Original Message-
From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 3:19 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Envy Of The World?
Where to start! At the average bar I would go for Heineken. For the places
that carry them
Where to start! At the average bar I would go for Heineken. For the places that carry
them, I've liked:
Sapporo, Red Stripe, Stella Artois for a light flavor, Amstel Bright (again it's quite
a light taste but still packs 5% alcohol),
Becks Dark.
-Gel
-Original Message-
From: Gruss Got
You're joking right? You'd rather be sick in Canada
then the US? Not me.
Is there still a six month waiting list for an MRI,
while your dog can get one today?
Just wondering.
-sm
--- Ken Ketsdever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> That is our envious Health care plan.
> Pray you don't get sick (p
TED]>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Envy Of The World?
> > Brian wrote:
> > I've never seen such hoopla over a non-event in my life.
>
> I have elderly grandparents and they would point out that roughly
> 30,000 Americans die every year from the flu. Th
> Brian wrote:
> I've never seen such hoopla over a non-event in my life.
I have elderly grandparents and they would point out that roughly
30,000 Americans die every year from the flu. Those that live count
on the vaccine to keep them alive, so it's not such a little issue to
them.
>If it were
> Ken wrote:
> Pray you don't get sick (play on religion, garners votes in the Bible belt)
> If you get sick: Go to Canada
Ha! That's a great Bush campaign slogan. I thought the below was
interesting. Apparently Canada has no problem planning for its
citizens needs, while America does.
B.C. h
I've never seen such hoopla over a non-event in my life.
I've never received a flu shot in my life, never plan too. Now if it were
beer shipments, or something of that caliber, i could understand.
- Original Message -
From: "Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL
That is our envious Health care plan.
Pray you don't get sick (play on religion, garners votes in the Bible belt)
If you get sick:
Go to Canada
-Original Message-
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 11:31 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Envy Of The Wor
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