Your points are well taken. My goal for this cf project is to implement an
idea with current technology but not necessarily up to last minute one, major
constraint is a very limited time/effort availability. Hence, I tried to nudge
Adobe and via this powerful cf group to make cf8 app server mo
Thanks
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From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 18 August 2008 2:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Free BlueDragon?
@ Andrew,
>>Ha
t;
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, 15 August 2008 2:08 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Free BlueDragon?
>
> >>You really don't even have to do that.
>
> True. The reason I mentioned XAMPP (
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, 16 August 2008 4:06 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Free BlueDragon?
>
> JRun Webserver is a webserver. You are talking about the JRun
> application ser
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From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 16 August 2008 4:06 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Free BlueDragon?
JRun Webserver is a webserver. You are talking about the JRun
application server. The first is part of the second; JWS is
JRun Webserver is a webserver. You are talking about the JRun
application server. The first is part of the second; JWS is only good
for serving web pages and has none of the functionality a production
webserver needs (like security, URL rewriting etc).
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Andrew Scot
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From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 15 August 2008 11:08 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Free BlueDragon?
They do still sell JRun ... they just aren't doing any more work to it
other than security fixes, pla
bject: RE: Free BlueDragon?
> I don't know why people have this impression but JRun is
> quite able to run in production as the primary web server (as
> opposed to using Apache as a front end).
Adobe/Macromedia gave this impression by stating this in several places.
Also, the
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Subject: Re: Free BlueDragon?
>>You really don't even have to do that.
True. The reason I mentioned XAMPP (Other than I love it) is that it comes
with Mysql built in. As well as all the batch scripts you need to start
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Subject: Re: Free BlueDragon?
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Barney Boisvert wrote:
> OBD doesn't have any of the CF8 candy that you mention. It is
> significantly lighter weight than CF though. From what you describe,
> I think CF is your only option, as neither OB
se it as a plugin for openBD.
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From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 14 August 2008 12:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Free BlueDr
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From: Don L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 14 August 2008 12:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Free BlueDragon?
> Gerald Guido
>I have a fair amount of experience with Open BD and Railo 3 beta using
>Apache and Tomcat on Windo
They do still sell JRun ... they just aren't doing any more work to it
other than security fixes, platform support, etc.
£759+VAT :)
Andy
2008/8/15 Tom Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Thursday 14 Aug 2008, Dave Watts wrote:
>> Adobe/Macromedia gave this impression by stating this in several
On Friday 15 Aug 2008, James Holmes wrote:
> That's from 2002.
Yeah, I think 5 years of further development could, maybe, have improved
things I tad.
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http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/adv_development/config_builtin_webserver/index.html
"Although you can use the ColdFusion MX built-in web server for
developing, testing, and debugging ColdFusion applications, Macromedia
does not recommend that you use it for deployment."
That's from 2002.
On Thursday 14 Aug 2008, Dave Watts wrote:
> Adobe/Macromedia gave this impression by stating this in several places.
Really ? I know they don't sell JRun anymore, but when they did they said it
was ace.
> Also, the JRun web server has practically no functionality beyond serving
> pages. Other t
A quick thank-you note, you guys are awesome! Thank you.
> I've read a bit on this guy but still does not know anything
> substantial about it, installing it and playing it out is an option
> but if I could get some thoughts from someone has done that it would
> be very desirable for my decisio
> I don't know why people have this impression but JRun is
> quite able to run in production as the primary web server (as
> opposed to using Apache as a front end).
Adobe/Macromedia gave this impression by stating this in several places.
Also, the JRun web server has practically no functionali
>>You really don't even have to do that.
True. The reason I mentioned XAMPP (Other than I love it) is that it comes
with Mysql built in. As well as all the batch scripts you need to start up
Tomcat, Mysql, Apache, FTP etc. and install them as services. It is pretty
much a complete App stack that c
>> Thank you, Gerald, allow me to be lazy for a minute, cf8
>> comes with its own web server albeit it is for development
>> only, and it can be installed siliently ("without user
>> interaction" would probably be more accurate), and this
>> capability (of silent installation + a default web se
>>> f8 comes with its own web server albeit it is for development only, and
>it can be installed siliently ("without user interaction" would probably be
>more accurate)
>
>
>If that is the case you could roll it up with something like XAMPP with the
>Tomcat Plugin. With a bit of work and a bat file
>> f8 comes with its own web server albeit it is for development only, and
it can be installed siliently ("without user interaction" would probably be
more accurate)
If that is the case you could roll it up with something like XAMPP with the
Tomcat Plugin. With a bit of work and a bat file you ca
On Thursday 14 Aug 2008, Don L wrote:
> Thank you, Gerald, allow me to be lazy for a minute, cf8 comes with its own
> web server albeit it is for development only,
I don't know why people have this impression but JRun is quite able to run in
production as the primary web server (as opposed to us
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Barney Boisvert wrote:
> OBD doesn't have any of the CF8 candy that you mention. It is
> significantly lighter weight than CF though. From what you describe,
> I think CF is your only option, as neither OBD or Railo (my open
> source CFML engine of choice) is goin
> Thank you, Gerald, allow me to be lazy for a minute, cf8
> comes with its own web server albeit it is for development
> only, and it can be installed siliently ("without user
> interaction" would probably be more accurate), and this
> capability (of silent installation + a default web server)
OBD doesn't have any of the CF8 candy that you mention. It is
significantly lighter weight than CF though. From what you describe,
I think CF is your only option, as neither OBD or Railo (my open
source CFML engine of choice) is going to fit the bill.
cheers,
barneyb
Barney Boisvert
[EMAI
> Gerald Guido
>I have a fair amount of experience with Open BD and Railo 3 beta using
>Apache and Tomcat on Windows/Fedora/Centos. I would gladly answer any
>questions. I would recommend posing your questions to the Open BD Google
>Group @ http://groups.google.com/group/openbd?hl=en
>
>~G~
> Gera
Nitai @ SixSigns posted a video tute on setting up Open BD with apache
here: http://www.vimeo.com/1362803
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Don L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've read a bit on this guy but still does not know anything substantial
> about it, installing it and playing it out i
I have a fair amount of experience with Open BD and Railo 3 beta using
Apache and Tomcat on Windows/Fedora/Centos. I would gladly answer any
questions. I would recommend posing your questions to the Open BD Google
Group @ http://groups.google.com/group/openbd?hl=en
~G~
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:
a couple of things.
So I don't quite remember its history. I may install from scratch.
I am running w2k, ntfs. cleaning registry now...
Eric
From: "Vince Bonfanti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: FREE BlueD
Hi Eric,
See responses inserted below.
Vince
> -Original Message-
> From: Eric Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 9:14 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
>
>
> When I install on a machine without
crashes when I go there later.
Does this make sense?
Eric
From: "Vince Bonfanti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 12:10:31 -0500
Yes CFMX and BlueDragon (and C
to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 11:59 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
>
>
...
>
> > Anyone's who's interested in learning more about the CFML/Java/JSP
> > integration features offered by Blue
On Saturday, Feb 22, 2003, at 07:24 US/Pacific, Vince Bonfanti wrote:
> My apologies--CFMX does indeed offer similar capabilities as
> BlueDragon in
> this regard. It was an oversight on my part, and not a deliberate
> attempt to
> mislead.
No problem. I expected it was just an oversight. I've b
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 10:24 AM, Vince Bonfanti wrote:
> Note that the BlueDragon implementation is via the new PAGE attribute
> of the
> CFINCLUDE tag (and not via the GetPageContext function), which allows
> you to
> include the output of JSP pages or servlets in a CFML page:
>
> B
> > You don't even have to do that. You can just enable
> > BlueDragon or CFMX or CF5 within specific virtual
> > servers or directories, on Apache or IIS.
>
> I would be interested in seeing more details on this
> "feature"
I've described this more than once on this list, I'm sure, so it's pr
|
| You don't even have to do that. You can just enable BlueDragon or CFMX or
| CF5 within specific virtual servers or directories, on Apache or IIS.
|
| Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
| http://www.figleaf.com/
| voice: (202) 797-5496
| fax: (202) 797-5444
|
I would be interested in seeing
> > The only conflict to watch out for is when you go to
> > install a web server adapter to IIS or Apache--in that
> > case you can only have one of BlueDragon/CFMX/CF5
> > attached to the web server.
>
> But you can just use ProxyPass or mod_rewrite to map the
> server on port 8500 into the
On Saturday 22 Feb 2003 17:10 pm, Vince Bonfanti wrote:
> The only conflict to watch out for is when you go to install a web server
> adapter to IIS or Apache--in that case you can only have one of
> BlueDragon/CFMX/CF5 attached to the web server.
But you can just use ProxyPass or mod_rewrite to
er.
Vince Bonfanti
New Atlanta Communications, LLC
http://www.newatlanta.com
> -Original Message-
> From: Frank Mamone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 11:44 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
>
>
> Vince,
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To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 10:11 AM
Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
> Yes, we've made significant strides based on feedback from customers like
> you. If you continue to have problems with the 3.0.
ew Atlanta Communications, LLC
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> -Original Message-
> From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:22 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
>
>
> On Friday, Feb 21
Yes, we've made significant strides based on feedback from customers like
you. If you continue to have problems with the 3.0.1 service pack please
contact me directly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and I'll make they get addressed.
Vince Bonfanti
New Atlanta Communications, LLC
http://www.newatlanta.com
> -
On Friday, Feb 21, 2003, at 13:49 US/Pacific, Vince Bonfanti wrote:
> In this case we're using the BlueDragon/J2EE edition running within a
> standard J2EE WAR file side-by-side with the JSP pages. In fact, some
> of the
> common page elements (headers, footers, menu bars) are implemented via
> CF
> I hope that New Atlanta has worked on the compatibility
> problems I was seeing last year. I was quick to try out
> Blue Dragon as an alternate to CFMX Linux, primarily
> because CFMX at that time did not run very well w/ Linux.
> After a month or so with BD I hung up that hat and went
> back to
eDragon. Session variables are also shared across CFML
and JSP pages.
Vince Bonfanti
New Atlanta Communications, LLC
http://www.newatlanta.com
> -Original Message-
> From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:16 PM
> To: CF-Talk
>
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To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:29 PM
Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
> Hi Dave,
>
> I think your "delivery" inference means that our
> download page is a JSP, which is correct:
> http://w
great, then why aren't they using it?
>
> I'm not knocking bluedragon
> just something that I notice but it would also probably keep me from even
> trying it out.
>
> Dave
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dave Watts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&
i dont know enough about it to really know. It was just my immediate thought
Dave
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From: "Mosh Teitelbaum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Serv
't they using it?
>
> I'm not knocking bluedragon
> just something that I notice but it would also probably keep me from even
> trying it out.
>
> Dave
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dave Watts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Tal
n)
it seems like they'd at least do the product site in cfm via BD for this
exact reason.
barneyb
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 1:10 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
>
ep me from even
trying it out.
Dave
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:10 PM
Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
> > This finally kills dead all of
ces their revenue
>>and therefore cash
>>available for future enhancements to CF.
>>
>>Ken
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 1:54 PM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subjec
> At 01:01 PM 2/21/03 -0600, Raymond Camden wrote:
>>I don't think you will ever kill that argument. There are
>>some people
>>who - for whatever reason - think ALL commercial software
>>is the tool of
>>the devil, and if you try to sell code you are commiting a
>>mortal sin.
>>They will NEVER be c
t;available for future enhancements to CF.
>
>Ken
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 1:54 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
>
>
>This finally kills dead all
At 01:01 PM 2/21/03 -0600, Raymond Camden wrote:
>I don't think you will ever kill that argument. There are some people
>who - for whatever reason - think ALL commercial software is the tool of
>the devil, and if you try to sell code you are commiting a mortal sin.
>They will NEVER be convinced oth
> This finally kills dead all of that php/asp 'but its
> free' garbage, which never had any validity in the
> first place.
I don't know if I'd go as far as that. First of all, BlueDragon != CFMX.
Second, there's validity to the argument that free software is better than
non-free software, all ot
> Will be interesting to see what kind of traction BlueDragon gets in the
> marketplace. And if it suceeds(sic), what kind of pricing pressure this
puts on
> MM. And one could argue that if it causes sufficient pricing pressure, MM
> might have to respond in a way that reduces their revenue and the
available for future enhancements to CF.
Ken
-Original Message-
From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 1:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
This finally kills dead all of that php/asp 'but its free' garb
s." - Yoda
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 12:54 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
>
>
> This finally kills dead all of that php/asp 'but its free'
> garb
MR> Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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MR> -Original Message-
MR> From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
MR> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:59 AM
MR> To: CF
ting times :)
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From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:59 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: FREE BlueDra
want to
do).
Vince Bonfanti
New Atlanta Communications, LLC
http://www.newatlanta.com
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:27 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:27 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
>
>
> Wow. The 'free' part doesn't extend to a production box, rig
Wow. The 'free' part doesn't extend to a production box, right? Not
sure about the definition of 'deployment'.
Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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