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After receiving an email from Joe, I would agree that he sounds lik
I did not mean to say without touching production network.
-keyur shah-
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If I may ask, why exactly is it a good
,
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Is there such
D CCIE with no experience
I highly doubt that ladies and gents, The whole point of a CCIE Lab is to
prove
He should be getting ready for retirement so that the youngs ones should
take over.
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From: Jeff Buehler
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 2:22 PM
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Change the original posters question to include:
How about a CCNA, CCDA
ifficult. But to say it's impossible to
pass
without 'real world' experience is just wrong.
Regards,
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Marshal,
I totally agree, I dont think it's impossible for a candidate to pass
without real-world hands-on experience. IMHO the program is actually quite
a bit harder now, than it was a couple years ago. The program DID
to the top.
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I have to jump in here. The original post said he had an impressive lab.
If he uses the lab and works
AM
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Marshal,
I totally agree, I dont think it's impossible for a candidate to pass
without real-world hands-on experience. IMHO the program is actually
quite
a bit harder now, than it was a couple years ago. The program DID start
, February 04, 2002 10:25 AM
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After receiving an email from Joe, I would agree that he sounds like a very
intelligent person with tremendous initiative. I'd like to differentiate
between lab experience and OTJ experience.
Learning
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Marshal,
I totally agree, I dont think it's impossible for a candidate to pass
without real-world hands-on experience. IMHO the
esponses and their 2 man company cant handle it
WHat
happens to them?
They run themselves out of business... too much too fast...
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From: John Neiberger
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Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:31 PM
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To go through tho
17:09
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I agree with everything said so far...what needs to change is the way
Microsoft, and now Cisco and most training providers and study guide
publishers advertise the IT industry as a way of making the 'big bucks' -
the only people making the big
, 2002 17:09
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I agree with everything said so far...what needs to change is the way
Microsoft, and now Cisco and most training providers and study guide
publishers advertise the IT industry as a way of making the 'big bucks' -
the only people making the big
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I agree that the IT industry is being way overmarketed. I hear an ad
running almost every morning for a training company here in Denver.
They claim that the average
No kidding... those ads are a truth in advertising suit waiting to
happen.
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From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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I agree that the IT industry is being
Sorry - Can't agree with that.
Do you think that being a Cisco partner means you don't have Paper Certs?
I work for a gold partner. We have paper certs all over the place. Probably
more than others, because our company needs the certs for the partner
status.
People are pushed in to taking the
zilch
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I'd be surprised if you could find a CCIE with no work experience. Even
if you could, they wouldn't be worth that much, IMHO. Assuming I pass
in April, I'll have just over three years experience and a CCIE
certification. What does that mean?
Well, it means that if I leave my current job to
I would hate to see a CCIE with no work experience, but the last guy who
announced his passing the CCIE lab in this group a few weeks ago, not only
had no experience in the real world with routers or Cisco stuff, he claimed
that he got his CCNA to CCIE in 9 months!!!
I was shocked, and unless
LOL.
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what would be the average starting pay for CCIE with no work experience.
Message
Man that's an insult. A CCIE with no experience. I guess I will go back
to building race cars.
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what would be the average
Am I not the only one that is insulted by this question??
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I would offer them a CCIE engraved toilet bowl because they would be full
of...i wont finish that sentence Paul :) just joking
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Is there such a thing? The only reason I was able to pass the test was
lots of work experience.
Dave
Joe Carr wrote:
what would be the average starting pay for CCIE with no work experience.
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I would say $50-60K. I am currently studying for the CCIE written and I
have no on the job experience. The only experience I have is in the
classroom, but I passed my tests on the first try. I would expect someone
to hire a CCIE with no experience, but at a reduced salary compared to
others
A CCIE With no work experience
I think most employers would shy away from that! A CCNP, or CCNA possible,
but CCIE... Im not sure. That would be like a Brain surgeon with no work
experience... WHat would you pay him to operate on your brain
Makes you think eh??? I think your best bet is
I agree! There is no substitute for experience!
Daniel Ladrach
CCNA, CCNP
WorldCom
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On one hand, you wouldn't really want to hire people without any experience,
unless you need a young cheap helpdesk person you can train from scratch.
On the other hand, if someone can pass a CCIE LAB without any experience,
that person has proved excellent skills in understanding the material,
, 2002 2:34 PM
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Am I not the only one that is insulted by this question??
Joe Carr wrote in message
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what would be the average starting pay for CCIE with no work
experience.
And so sounds the death knell for good salaries for CCIE's with actual work
experience... oy...
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From: Wes Updike
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Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:10 PM
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I would say $50-60K. I am currently studying for the CCIE
IIRC, two or three years ago there was a young boy on the list (14-16??)
who had already received his CCNP and was heading for the CCIE. If
he succeeded, he probably got it without any work experience, but never
heard. If you believe the premise of the TV show The Pretender there
are those
PM
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And so sounds the death knell for good salaries for CCIE's with actual work
experience... oy...
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Am I not the only one that is insulted by this question??
Joe Carr wrote in message
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what would be the average star
They are one and the same when dealing with $.
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From: Joe Carr
To: Scott M. Trieste
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:10 PM
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I did not mean no experience I said no WORK experience
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From
I agree with everything said so far...what needs to change is the way
Microsoft, and now Cisco and most training providers and study guide
publishers advertise the IT industry as a way of making the 'big bucks' -
the only people making the big bucks are these guys. People looking for a
career
A CCIE With no work experience
I think most employers would shy away from that! A CCNP, or CCNA possible,
but CCIE... Im not sure. That would be like a Brain surgeon with no work
experience... WHat would you pay him to operate on your brain
Different model, but worth looking at.
turrend 21 so
I
still pritty young yet but I have gotten all of these certs plus an
MCDBA
and A+ in less then a year.
Joe Carr
A+, MCDBA, CCNA, CCDA, CCNP
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I'd
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Am I not the only one that is insulted by this question??
Joe Carr wrote in message
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wh
gosh to be quite honest, I could not imagine a CCIE without any
experience... Has this happened? Are these people still around?
I'd like to hear from anyone that has accomplished CCIE with NO practical
experience... I'd like to know how they are doing and what advances they
have seen.
I agree that the IT industry is being way overmarketed. I hear an ad
running almost every morning for a training company here in Denver.
They claim that the average starting salary for newly certified people
with no experience is $60k. I'm not sure, but I think they're on crack.
:-)
John
how about doing what, for whom, where, and not to mention, most importantly
who?
or is the general consensus that the value an employee delivers to an
employer is directly proportional to the highest level of vendor specific
certification achieved?
At 01:26 PM 1/31/2002 -0500, Joe Carr
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NEED A JOB ???
http://www.oledrews.com/job
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From: Oliver Nadalin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:10 PM
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I agree with everything said so
exactamundo!
Guy 01/31/02 03:34PM
A CCIE With no work experience
I think most employers would shy away from that! A CCNP, or CCNA possible,
but CCIE... Im not sure. That would be like a Brain surgeon with no work
experience... WHat would you pay him to operate on your brain
Makes
themselves out of business... too much too fast...
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From: John Neiberger
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:31 PM
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To go through those certs that quickly is very impressive! If you pass
the lab, I still think you
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